| 00:00.37 | Stanzilla | You receive loot: [Reins of the Phosphorescent Stone Drake]. |
| 00:00.40 | Stanzilla | ching ching |
| 00:02.38 | Dagmar | pompy: Then you really shouldn't worry about it |
| 00:08.08 | Ackis | grats Stanzilla |
| 00:08.19 | Stanzilla | thanks lovely Ackis |
| 00:09.13 | Kraps | rare spawn |
| 00:09.34 | Ackis | rare spawn of a rare spawn |
| 00:09.57 | Ackis | 1/16 chance it'll spawn instead of a blood seeker |
| 00:11.09 | Kraps | This bat appears for a few seconds/minutes instead of Aeonaxx, and shares a spawn timer with him. This mob is easily the biggest troll in World of Warcraft. |
| 00:11.11 | Kraps | haha |
| 00:11.38 | Ackis | it's like a level 15 in a level 83 area |
| 00:11.53 | Kraps | Blood Seeker: A haiku. |
| 00:11.55 | Kraps | I fly mindlessly, |
| 00:11.57 | Jammer | I don't quite understand why it only spawns for so limited time |
| 00:11.58 | Kraps | A bat I happen upon, |
| 00:11.59 | Kraps | Bang head on keyboard. |
| 00:12.28 | Kraps | wowhead has the internets most talented commenters |
| 00:15.17 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20555#comments:id=1074238 |
| 00:21.15 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: move to Edmonton and buy my house kk |
| 00:21.26 | Cairenn|afk | newp |
| 00:21.37 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 00:21.42 | Cairenn|afk | will move there if you -give- it to me |
| 00:21.43 | Ackis | damn you aren't afk so my smartass comment comes back to me! |
| 00:21.57 | Esamynn | Ackis: why are you surprised by this? |
| 00:22.21 | Ackis | not about my comment coming back to me, but by Cairenn|afk being awake yes kind of ;) |
| 00:22.27 | Esamynn | Cairenn|afk: I wouldn't move to Edmonton even for a free house :P |
| 00:22.49 | Cairenn|afk | Esamynn: well, I'd only do it because the chances are greater that hubby could find work there |
| 00:22.54 | Cairenn|afk | but other than that, yeah, really |
| 00:23.02 | Esamynn | touche |
| 00:23.06 | Ackis | if he wants to be a rig pig he can find a lot of work |
| 00:23.14 | Ackis | but that's a shitty job |
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| 00:23.53 | Ackis | I think the saying is "Edmonton, the town where you can make $50 an hour and still be homeless" :( |
| 00:23.57 | kd3 | ugh. a wedge out of the blue. haven't had one of those in a while |
| 00:24.06 | kd3 | guess it's time to break out the air duster |
| 00:24.36 | Cairenn|afk | kd3: o.O |
| 00:25.08 | Ackis | I misread that as wedgie |
| 00:25.49 | Cairenn|afk | I don't know what the hell a 'wedge' is in the context in which kd3 is using it |
| 00:25.50 | Kraps | whats a wedge |
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| 00:26.43 | Cairenn|afk | goes back to watching Dr. Who |
| 00:27.08 | kd3 | old hacker term - "stuck, incapable of proceeding without help" |
| 00:27.26 | kd3 | like crashed, but it's still chugging along slowly trying to do something |
| 00:27.39 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 00:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | <Arrowmaster> Mr_Rabies: you were the one playing dark souls a lot right? |
| 00:29.15 | Mr_Rabies | i played about 120ish hours of it |
| 00:29.19 | Mr_Rabies | why, what up |
| 00:41.44 | Arrowmaster | i started playing it and thought i fucked up |
| 00:42.38 | Arrowmaster | i said no to the cat not realizing it was for an achievement and it wouldnt let me talk to it again, so i shot it and it disappeared |
| 00:43.02 | Arrowmaster | went back later and it was back and let me join the covenent |
| 00:53.31 | Ackis | hacks Arrowmaster |
| 00:54.07 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.07 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
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| 01:03.17 | pompy | be nice. |
| 01:04.28 | Ackis | ~ackis |
| 01:04.28 | purl | rumour has it, ackis is A person who can code, but just doesn't know how to type. Master of Torhal and Pompy. |
| 01:04.51 | Torhal | Wow. Who told you that bullshit, purl? |
| 01:06.16 | arton | ~torhal |
| 01:06.16 | purl | somebody said torhal was some long-haired freak who re-writes all of Ackis' code. |
| 01:06.26 | arton | makes sense |
| 01:07.11 | Kraps | hey prot warrior passive takes crits off the het table |
| 01:07.13 | Kraps | hit |
| 01:07.34 | Kraps | or is the number not 6% anymore |
| 01:23.51 | Ackis | a blizzard bug allowed a guild to invite both alliance and horde members to it: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412211884?page=1 |
| 01:24.28 | Amarande | heh, fail |
| 01:24.46 | Amarande | did opposite faction members see garbled chat like /say between factions is, or was it clear like real ID cross faction? |
| 01:30.45 | Ackis | it's garbled |
| 01:31.33 | Arrowmaster | which is strange since gchat doesnt have a language like /say does |
| 01:31.45 | Arrowmaster | at least i dont remember it having one |
| 01:33.15 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/BetvT.jpg |
| 01:34.21 | Amarande | I wonder how that happened, though |
| 01:34.38 | Ackis | faction transferred the guild and it got glitched out apparently |
| 01:34.40 | Amarande | was it some sort of odd glitch related to Real ID maybe? since that's the only way I know of that Blizzard lets clear cross-faction communication occur at all ingame |
| 01:34.40 | Amarande | ah |
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| 01:37.01 | mckenziemc | reported Ackis |
| 01:38.02 | Amarande | Ackis: does faction transfer for the guild automatically include in the package a faction transfer for members? or do all the members except the GM get auto-gkicked and have to do their own transfer, rejoin, and regrind guild rep? |
| 01:38.12 | Ackis | no idea |
| 01:38.23 | mckenziemc | Amarande: why don't you check the FAQs? |
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| 01:42.31 | pompy | ^ |
| 01:42.44 | Jamash | /run local k,v;for k,v in pairs(CHAT_CONFIG_CHAT_LEFT) do if not v.noClassColor then SetChatColorNameByClass(v.type, true) end end |
| 01:42.55 | pompy | okie |
| 01:43.05 | Jamash | enables colored names in chat by class for all the non-channel communications |
| 01:43.44 | Jamash | /say, /raid, /guild, etc |
| 01:47.59 | pnorman | Jamash: does that stick between relogs? |
| 01:48.20 | Jamash | it's the function the base UI calls, so it should |
| 01:48.22 | Jamash | lemme see |
| 01:48.48 | Jamash | yup |
| 01:49.09 | Jamash | it's just a convenience to avoid having to go in to the chat options and click a dozen boxes each time I make a new char |
| 01:49.17 | pnorman | good idea |
| 01:49.17 | Jamash | which I do a LOT while testing |
| 01:50.49 | Neffi | "local k,v;for k,v" Does Lua really create a new local for each iteration? |
| 01:52.24 | Jamash | I don't think k,v are autolocalized |
| 01:52.39 | Jamash | which would overwrite a global k or v, would it not? |
| 01:53.18 | Neffi | No they are definitely localized |
| 01:53.41 | Neffi | But I'm wondering if it creates a new local every loop |
| 01:54.04 | Esamynn | yes it does, and you don't have to declare them local before hand |
| 01:54.05 | Neffi | like: `for i = 1,2 do local f=i; end` vs `local f; for i = 1,2 do f=i; end` |
| 01:54.19 | Neffi | On large iterations, declaring inner locals outside is faster |
| 01:54.47 | Esamynn | there is no point to declaring the variables assigned by the for loop as local |
| 01:54.50 | Neffi | I assumed Lua did that. I guess I'll have a look at luac output. |
| 01:54.59 | mckenziemc | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.5 |
| 01:55.19 | Esamynn | as Lua creates new local variables inside the loop scope for each iteration then assigns the values to them |
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| 01:56.42 | Neffi | I see why it does that for scope reasons. And it also makes sense that it would ignore the k,v already defined, since that's a separate scope. |
| 01:57.37 | Jamash | yeah the reference manual says they're local |
| 01:57.48 | Jamash | I haven't done any addon programming in a while and I forgot |
| 01:58.10 | mckenziemc | pil also has an explanation of why they do that (regarding iterator functions iirc) |
| 01:58.17 | Neffi | It's not like it would be a huge performance benefit to be able to declare them beforehand, but would there be any way to do that (to avoid creating a totally new local every iteration)? |
| 01:58.18 | mckenziemc | i think |
| 01:58.43 | Neffi | I mean aside from manually iterating with while |
| 01:59.53 | Esamynn | no |
| 02:00.01 | Esamynn | did you read the link mckenziemc provided? |
| 02:00.12 | Neffi | I'm aware of the default workings, yes |
| 02:01.50 | Esamynn | also, you're micro-optimizing, which is generally a pointless exercise anyways |
| 02:02.30 | Esamynn | and in this case you're being REALLY silly, seriously, don't worry about the performance of the for loop mechanics |
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| 02:02.58 | Neffi | Just curiosity |
| 02:03.18 | Neffi | But I do feel micro-optimizations are important sometimes. |
| 02:03.23 | Neffi | Keyword sometimes |
| 02:03.49 | Esamynn | everything has it's place |
| 02:04.02 | Jamash | the problem is that 99.9% of the time they're utterly useless, and 0.1% of the time they're vital |
| 02:04.25 | Neffi | Then again there's nothing wrong with your code being just a little more verbose. |
| 02:04.28 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 02:04.32 | Neffi | Writing locals outisde the loop doesn't take any more time |
| 02:04.48 | Esamynn | makes it harder to read :P |
| 02:05.05 | Neffi | Aggrssive micro-optimization is a bit silly, but keeping yourself in the habit of writing things with performance in mind is good |
| 02:05.05 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure the in-loop local overrides the outside local, so the outer local decleration does nothing |
| 02:05.19 | Jamash | easy enough to test |
| 02:05.41 | Neffi | Jamash: I mean locals explicitly declared in the loop. Like iterating over nameplates every frame update to skin them. You need to declare local frame=(...). |
| 02:05.41 | Esamynn | no need, you're right |
| 02:05.52 | Jamash | oh |
| 02:06.06 | Jamash | that kind of loop locla |
| 02:06.07 | Jamash | *local |
| 02:06.44 | Esamynn | for a loop block of any size, it's not really worth it (for code readability reasons) imo |
| 02:06.48 | Jamash | yeah |
| 02:06.54 | Neffi | I was just curious as to whether or not the "k,v" part in a generic loop could be handled the same way without writing it as a while loop |
| 02:06.55 | mckenziemc | attempts to "write things with performance in mind" like that can easily backfire |
| 02:06.59 | Neffi | But it cannot be, now that I think about it |
| 02:07.01 | Esamynn | a really tiny one, sure, maybe |
| 02:07.11 | Jamash | first worry about programmer performance :) |
| 02:07.46 | Jamash | your time is worth more than the computer's time in the vast majority of circumstances |
| 02:08.13 | Neffi | mckenziemc: Well on large multi-member projects I probably wouldn't be pulling that. But when your code is tiny and you know precisely what it's doing, it's nothing inconvenient. |
| 02:08.19 | Jamash | yes it is |
| 02:08.31 | Jamash | you, a year from now is a different team member than you today |
| 02:08.32 | Esamynn | don't be foolish |
| 02:08.33 | mckenziemc | Neffi: as long as you test it to make sure it really is faster |
| 02:08.49 | Esamynn | what Jamash said |
| 02:08.50 | Neffi | Well then that's just more time spent. |
| 02:08.59 | End_ | or even that it does anything useful at all |
| 02:09.24 | mckenziemc | my point being it's easy to make incorrect assumptions about how the system works, and then create something that's actually worse |
| 02:09.35 | End_ | lua> local i = "wamf" for i,t in ipairs{"zip", "boop"} do end print(i) |
| 02:09.35 | lua_bot | End_: wamf |
| 02:09.39 | Esamynn | you're not gonna see any noticeable difference unless you run millions, perhaps billions of iterations |
| 02:09.53 | Jamash | billions and billions |
| 02:09.56 | mckenziemc | but here we are optimizing optimization :D |
| 02:10.03 | Jamash | because programmer time matters |
| 02:10.12 | Neffi | I can see that being the case in many circumstances. It all depends on what you're doing. If it's a tiny little addon for yourself like my UI, you tend to know what's going on in the few lines of code. |
| 02:10.31 | Torhal | drops a Knuth Bomb. |
| 02:10.38 | Jamash | I never know what's going on in my code so I dunno what you're talking about |
| 02:10.40 | mckenziemc | not what's going on behind the scenes though, unless you have lots of knowledge in compiler design etc |
| 02:11.01 | Neffi | I've played with the Lua source a little. |
| 02:11.11 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 02:11.12 | Neffi | Not extensively. |
| 02:12.23 | Neffi | Off the subject but not wildly, how does WoW implement taint? |
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| 02:12.38 | Esamynn | it's all a matter of whether the rest of the loop block completely dominates the allocation time or not |
| 02:12.52 | Esamynn | Neffi: please be more specific |
| 02:12.52 | Neffi | Is it a modification of the refernece Lua, or is he using reference capabilities? |
| 02:12.59 | Esamynn | modification |
| 02:38.40 | Neffi | Xinhuan: Are you going to be keeping Routes up-to-date in MoP? |
| 02:38.50 | Neffi | Ah fack, just missed him |
| 02:46.37 | Dagmar | Files remaining: 207,198 <-- damn am I glad they're using their own containers |
| 02:46.57 | kd3 | ? |
| 02:47.02 | Dagmar | GW2 downloading |
| 02:47.23 | Dagmar | 207,000 files would be a directory Win7 would take like a day and a half to open |
| 02:47.36 | kd3 | ah |
| 02:49.56 | Dagmar | Not really surprised that their website is coughing up blood. |
| 02:50.10 | Neffi | I'll take that wager |
| 02:50.24 | Neffi | Anyone know how to create 270k files with cmd.exe? lol |
| 02:50.30 | Dagmar | Neffi: Substantially longer, you think? |
| 02:50.31 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:50.57 | Dagmar | Win7 gets pissy about my *Downloads* directory and it's nowhere near that size |
| 02:51.08 | mckenziemc | idk how to do it with cmd, but i could do it with python |
| 02:51.27 | Neffi | I had that issue on XP badly. On Vista even. But Win7's Explorer has never hiccuped for me. |
| 02:51.58 | Neffi | Then again maybe it's your antivir? Or even some NTFS options. I disabled a few things a while ago, and I don't remember precisely what thye were. But they had to do with I/O speed. |
| 02:52.00 | kd3 | hm, 11pm advisory... still a tropical storm |
| 02:52.03 | Dagmar | I *really* have to purge this directory. Every so often I just move everything into a subdirectory and ignore it |
| 02:52.14 | Dagmar | 52,754 files, 6,676 folders |
| 02:52.14 | mckenziemc | knows what that's like |
| 02:52.42 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure why the hell so many folders are in there, but Win7 takes a good 15-25 seconds to open the thing |
| 02:53.01 | pompy | all that pr0n, eh? |
| 02:53.36 | Dagmar | I *think* it's mainly the Android SDK |
| 02:53.45 | Dagmar | Why the hell would I download pr0n? |
| 02:53.51 | Dagmar | The internet makes more faster than you can ever see it all |
| 02:53.56 | kd3 | oh, heh. that'd be a nasty thing to mess with on windows |
| 02:54.24 | kd3 | 4 gigs of tiny little files |
| 02:54.28 | Dagmar | Yeah. 6,643 folders in there. |
| 02:54.32 | Semlar | i had to exclude a drive from my virus scanner because my computer takes a screenshot every 15 seconds and there are a handful of jpegs on there |
| 02:54.47 | mckenziemc | o.o? |
| 02:54.54 | Dagmar | That can *definitely* go since I've set it up on my netbook now |
| 02:55.20 | Dagmar | Semlar: Why does it do that? |
| 02:55.38 | kd3 | 15s seems a little intense |
| 02:55.45 | kd3 | just a bit |
| 02:55.58 | Semlar | well there's a program called timesnapper that lets you automatically take screenshots and then go back and play them |
| 02:56.13 | Semlar | so i can pick a day and go see what i was doing |
| 02:56.23 | Dagmar | Okay. That's kinda odd tho |
| 02:56.25 | Semlar | or go back over what i did at the end of a day |
| 02:57.03 | Semlar | it's also smart enough to only do it while the computer is in use, although i'm not sure how it figures that |
| 02:57.25 | Torhal | Is the mouse moving? Is the keyboard being used? No?Do nothing. |
| 02:57.28 | kd3 | listening to mouse movements? key presses? |
| 02:57.37 | kd3 | same way screensavers have been detecting that for decades now |
| 02:57.44 | Dagmar | lol |
| 02:57.57 | Semlar | well i'm not saying i don't know how it could be done, just not how it's doing it |
| 02:57.58 | Dagmar | "Are you playing an important video game through DirectX?" "Time for a reboot for some updates!" |
| 02:58.03 | Torhal | Well, it's a "screen saver" of sorts apparently... |
| 02:58.10 | Semlar | ba-dum-tiss |
| 02:58.12 | Torhal | Dagmar: Fuck Windows 7. |
| 02:58.17 | Dagmar | Torhal: lol |
| 02:58.38 | Dagmar | I have watched about half a raid go *poof* in the middle of a fight before form that |
| 02:58.49 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 02:59.10 | Torhal | Urk. |
| 02:59.52 | Dagmar | Now I make damn sure WIndows has all the patches it could even hope for before I login late at night |
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| 03:01.27 | mckenziemc | important video game? |
| 03:01.29 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 03:01.45 | arton | like frogger? |
| 03:01.49 | kd3 | oh wow. linux is old enough to drink as of yesterday |
| 03:02.06 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 03:02.28 | Kaylin | go reboot server, you're drunk. |
| 03:02.33 | arton | happy bday, Tux |
| 03:03.06 | Dagmar | Linux is 21 now? |
| 03:03.17 | Dagmar | I guess so |
| 03:03.20 | kd3 | linus's post was on 25 aug 1991 |
| 03:03.38 | Dagmar | Thank god no one noticed when it turned "legal" |
| 03:04.06 | Amarande | So, which pets in MoP will require you to slather honey on a tree and then wait several hours per attempt to find out which one arrives? :D |
| 03:04.38 | arton | kicks Beta client. |
| 03:04.44 | mckenziemc | goto sleep Amarande |
| 03:05.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: The Chromatic Micro-Hippie |
| 03:05.04 | arton | It freezes my computer for some reason. |
| 03:05.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, I'm reading up on wowpedia about the pet battle system and it quite reminds me of Pokemon |
| 03:05.41 | Amarande | There are actually Pokemon that you have to do this in order to find. Nintendo and Game Freak hate your guts as a player. :) |
| 03:05.47 | arton | It's likely cause I'm using a nightly commit. :/ |
| 03:05.51 | Dagmar | Amarade: I woulnd't be surprised in the least if they mentioned they had the GameFreak people over for a visit |
| 03:06.06 | kd3 | of course it is. farming is also a love letter to harvest moon |
| 03:06.07 | arton | s/commit/revision/ |
| 03:06.23 | Dagmar | They don't hate you. They just know there's Japanese kids begging for ever-more abusively-rare pets to catch |
| 03:06.34 | Dagmar | It's _Americans_ they hate |
| 03:06.41 | Amarande | Okay, they enjoy torturing you, then. :) |
| 03:06.51 | Dagmar | "Hey look, let's add a whole city that will stay permanently empty" |
| 03:06.55 | Amarande | Of course, as a veteran of JRPGs, I know that this is the genre in general. Yet I play them anyway. Heh. |
| 03:06.59 | Dagmar | "...for the Americans, lOL" |
| 03:07.29 | Dagmar | I mean I suppose I could always go down to the Toys 'R Us and try and find some little kids. |
| 03:07.31 | Amarande | JRPGs gave us lovely things like the Pink Tail from Final Fantasy IV and the Pinaka and can't remember what the other one was from Digital Devil Saga II. |
| 03:07.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's not about to happen. It sounds shifty even _after_ it's clear I'd want to play Pokemon |
| 03:09.08 | Adys | "Police warn public to stay indoors after lion seen in Essex (bbc.co.uk)" |
| 03:09.11 | Adys | Every fucking time |
| 03:09.27 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 03:09.58 | mckenziemc | Arrowmaster: every time Adys masturbates a lion gets loose |
| 03:10.08 | Semlar | hm, didn't think lions were native to essex |
| 03:10.10 | Adys | Precisely |
| 03:10.16 | Dagmar | o.O |
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| 03:10.43 | Amarande | apparently it didn't escape from the zoo, though |
| 03:10.49 | Semlar | walked from africa, then? |
| 03:11.06 | Amarande | the Guardian's article on it suggests it may have been from a circus |
| 03:11.18 | Semlar | ridiculous |
| 03:11.25 | Dagmar | Let's hope the Mirror does get wind of the Adys connection |
| 03:11.27 | Adys | The Guardian is confused because Essex is a circus |
| 03:11.29 | Dagmar | er doesn't |
| 03:11.43 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:11.45 | Adys | Dagmar: I try not to masturbate in the wind. Nor in front of mirrors. |
| 03:11.52 | Dagmar | "LOCAL MAN CREATES LIONS BY FAPPING" |
| 03:12.07 | Adys | This channel needs its own /r/nocontext |
| 03:12.10 | Semlar | well not into the wind but what if it's at your back |
| 03:12.26 | Semlar | that's still cool, right? |
| 03:13.08 | Adys | Intel Makes More Driver Improvements For Valve's L4D2 |
| 03:13.10 | Adys | This is awesome |
| 03:13.35 | kd3 | yay |
| 03:13.41 | Adys | if intel actually steps up its game wrt drivers and valve joins efforts, its a really good sign |
| 03:14.21 | Dagmar | In a few more years they might actually be able to get me to shell out for one of their CPUs |
| 03:14.59 | Adys | for what its worth, intel cards/drivers are a big roadblock wrt adoption |
| 03:15.15 | Cairenn|afk | O.O http://www.rtsguru.com/game/435/article/3865/LoL-Joke-Game-at-MLG-Disqualifies-Dignitas-and-Curse.html |
| 03:15.25 | Dagmar | It would be nice if they would be less hand-wavy about that the hell they're doing in those chips with GPU |
| 03:16.08 | Adys | its especially nice now that AMD cards are starting not to suck |
| 03:16.08 | Dagmar | I hate having to explain to kids that there's a difference between video decoding accelleration and polygon rendering accelleration |
| 03:16.27 | Adys | NO THERE ISNT SHUT UP SHUT UP |
| 03:16.56 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: Loves me some esport drama |
| 03:17.32 | Dagmar | OUch. Probably not hte sort of collusion they had in mind when they made that rule, but it was collusion nonetheless |
| 03:21.15 | Kraps | haha wow |
| 03:21.34 | Adys | ah, breaking bad is done airing |
| 03:21.43 | Esamynn | Dagmar: let me understand this, you refuse to buy Intel CPUs at present? |
| 03:22.22 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Generally I stick with AMD because they're cheaper, I trust them, and they don't change their socket spec every time you blink |
| 03:23.01 | Dagmar | Intel is still way too happy to charge a premium on their highest-end chips |
| 03:23.07 | Esamynn | frankly, after my recent experience going AMD for the first time in years a few months ago I might not ever touch them again |
| 03:23.31 | karl_w_w | what happened? |
| 03:23.48 | Dagmar | I'm going to wait until they've got their successor to their current socket before I reconsider them, since they seem to have finally figured out people might not want to replace their motherboard every damn time they buy a new CPU |
| 03:23.50 | Adys | Im guessing drivers happened |
| 03:23.58 | Esamynn | oh, just faulty firmware that was flat out lying about the capabilities of the CPU |
| 03:24.03 | Adys | oh wait, cpus |
| 03:24.24 | pompy | Cairenn|afk: yaehh im assuming he's referring to what the article you linked is about - http://www.facebook.com/hthieblot/posts/10151089739021598 |
| 03:24.52 | pompy | duno if u can see that story |
| 03:24.59 | kd3 | aww; backstage at a foos concert in europe: http://i.imgur.com/MJDfM.jpg |
| 03:25.13 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 03:25.20 | Kraps | :3 |
| 03:26.40 | karl_w_w | <Esamynn> oh, just faulty firmware that was flat out lying about the capabilities of the CPU <- wouldn't you know the capabilities of the CPU before you bought it anyway? |
| 03:27.02 | kd3 | it's not about what we know, it's about what the firmware lies about to the OS |
| 03:28.13 | Dagmar | I *really* want to make a Gary Glitter joke |
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| 03:29.56 | Esamynn | kd3: precisely |
| 03:30.09 | Esamynn | I don't recall the details anymore and I'm too lazy to go look up the problem |
| 03:30.20 | Kraps | this months wired has an article about intel and their efforts to jump into the cellphone market |
| 03:30.40 | Esamynn | but the bottom line is that their bios wasn't just buggy, it was flat out wrong |
| 03:30.44 | Esamynn | that's just inexcusable |
| 03:30.49 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/yvckd/was_diablo_2_really_that_perfect/ |
| 03:30.57 | mckenziemc | wrong is better than buggy imo |
| 03:31.00 | Adys | i always try to put things in perspective but this really, really does it well |
| 03:31.35 | End_ | oh thanks fun |
| 03:31.44 | End_ | wintergrasp dismounted me and weee I'm dead |
| 03:31.50 | End_ | s/thanks/thats/ |
| 03:31.52 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 03:32.03 | Dagmar | You gotta go WAY overhead for that for a reason |
| 03:32.10 | End_ | this is on the beta...no battle hmmmm |
| 03:34.27 | Adys | holy shit |
| 03:34.39 | Adys | answer on whether diablo 2 was really that perfect: |
| 03:34.47 | Adys | "No, but it was fun and social. ..." |
| 03:34.50 | Kraps | earlier i was on the alliance ship in deepholm and i walked off it :/ |
| 03:34.57 | Esamynn | Adys: D2 was social? |
| 03:35.03 | kd3 | did that. did that a lot in beta |
| 03:35.08 | Adys | of course it was Esamynn |
| 03:35.09 | Adys | PPPPPPPPP |
| 03:35.16 | kd3 | back when we had to drop view distance to 0 to not crash every 3 seconds |
| 03:35.38 | Adys | yeah kd3 those were the days huh? |
| 03:38.33 | Esamynn | "Deckard Cain could identify everything in your inventory instantly. I have to admit, this was pretty sweet. Fuck you Magdha." |
| 03:38.48 | Esamynn | had to quote that, just for the last sentance |
| 03:45.07 | Adys | "D3 doesn't have a core community yet--what D3 has is a very, very vocal set of D2 fanatics who actively disrupt all D3 forums to repeatedly illustrate how upset they are that D3 isn't D2.5." |
| 03:45.19 | Adys | have to agree |
| 03:45.22 | Adys | good god |
| 03:45.37 | Adys | people are defending the unique stash because you could create unlimited characters |
| 03:45.48 | Adys | talk about fucking pink glasses |
| 03:45.56 | Esamynn | facepalms |
| 03:46.05 | Adys | not like the shared stash mod was one of the MOST FUCKING USED ONES |
| 03:46.33 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:46.42 | Esamynn | has never heard of this mod |
| 03:46.52 | Adys | its not just one mod |
| 03:46.55 | Adys | theres a bunch of them |
| 03:47.08 | Ackis | damn I thought collecting rare hunter pets was hard |
| 03:47.16 | karl_w_w | is there a place i can download the patch data? |
| 03:47.17 | Adys | i remember whatshisname's "patch 1.12" |
| 03:47.22 | karl_w_w | without using wow |
| 03:47.28 | Adys | karl_w_w: the preload? |
| 03:47.32 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 03:47.38 | Adys | karl_w_w: http://github.com/adys/patchtools |
| 03:47.44 | Adys | i added support for it a few days ago |
| 03:48.05 | Adys | karl_w_w: if you just want the urls give me a sec |
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| 03:51.26 | karl_w_w | yeah that would be cool, need to get it from somewhere else if I want a chance at seeing the theramore event seeing as i cant get internet for another month at home |
| 03:51.37 | Adys | karl_w_w: http://paste2.org/p/2157602 |
| 03:52.33 | Adys | karl_w_w: im guessing you don't want the avis |
| 03:52.52 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2157607 |
| 03:53.19 | Adys | karl_w_w: if you just want the preload, its TempMig/5.0Migration-data |
| 03:53.53 | karl_w_w | well, whatever I need to get the game going after the patch :P |
| 03:54.49 | Adys | uhh |
| 03:54.54 | Adys | i dont know how it needs to be formatted |
| 03:55.01 | Adys | kd3 might know |
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| 04:11.46 | mckenziemc | welcome back cairenn |
| 04:11.54 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 04:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | okaerinasai |
| 04:26.51 | Jamash | Adys: best Diablo III related post ever |
| 04:27.17 | Jamash | I used a 3rd-party stash program for offline/open characters |
| 04:34.10 | Ackis | http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/an-important-message-regarding-mlg-summer-championship-league-of-legends/ |
| 04:37.08 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 04:37.09 | Thunder_Child | you know Ackis, you were in channel when she link a better version of that.... |
| 04:37.17 | Thunder_Child | I hate you so much batrick |
| 04:37.21 | Thunder_Child | linked* |
| 04:37.31 | Thunder_Child | she = Cairenn |
| 04:37.56 | arton | How do you know if a NPC/PC is flagged pvp? |
| 04:38.05 | arton | I figured it'd be UnitPVP(unit) |
| 04:38.15 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: that was like 3 pages of backscroll :P |
| 04:38.45 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 04:38.45 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 04:38.57 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: A quick glance never hurts |
| 04:40.05 | pompy | !api PVP |
| 04:40.05 | lua_bot | Found 36 possible matches for 'PVP'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 04:40.24 | pompy | !api isPVP |
| 04:40.24 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'isPVP': UnitIsPVP, IsPVPTimerRunning, UnitIsPVPFreeForAll, UnitIsPVPSanctuary, PlayerIsPVPInactive, ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK |
| 04:40.34 | pompy | !api unitispvp |
| 04:40.35 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitispvp': UnitIsPVP, UnitIsPVPFreeForAll, UnitIsPVPSanctuary |
| 04:40.40 | pompy | arton: ^ |
| 04:41.11 | arton | Oh |
| 04:41.12 | arton | thanks |
| 04:48.20 | mckenziemc | wee, back down to 100 web browser tabs |
| 04:53.43 | Jamash | you have a sickness |
| 04:53.59 | Jamash | I disabled auto-restoring tabs on startup and haven't missed it |
| 04:54.25 | Jamash | if I really want it back I can use the awesome bar or the history sidebar |
| 04:54.27 | mckenziemc | i don't use that |
| 04:54.37 | Jamash | you have a worse sickness, then |
| 04:54.52 | Jamash | whenever I have more tabs than will fit one three rows I start closing tabs |
| 04:54.57 | mckenziemc | that being auto-restore |
| 04:55.06 | Jamash | yeah |
| 04:55.15 | Jamash | anyway time to play diablo III |
| 04:56.05 | sidji | 280 open tabs... |
| 04:56.52 | mckenziemc | i've gotten there before |
| 04:56.59 | mckenziemc | but not often because of performance issues >.> |
| 05:02.21 | batrick | Thunder_Child: it pleases me it bothers you so much |
| 05:02.40 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:05.04 | Fisker | hey batrick |
| 05:05.08 | Fisker | not so hey Jamash though |
| 05:05.36 | Jamash | batbot |
| 05:05.45 | Jamash | wait |
| 05:05.47 | Thunder_Child | batrick: That sounds about right |
| 05:05.49 | Jamash | I was trying to search for that |
| 05:06.18 | Jamash | to find out what TC and batrick are on about |
| 05:06.54 | Thunder_Child | I dont think the logs go that far back |
| 05:06.54 | Jamash | not so hey is for not so horses, not so fisker |
| 05:07.34 | Fisker | why are you doing this Jamash ? |
| 05:07.44 | Jamash | you mean the origin of "Shirik cannot destroy me."? |
| 05:08.25 | Jamash | why aren't I do this, Fisker? |
| 05:11.18 | Fisker | hello |
| 05:13.33 | batrick | is confused. |
| 05:13.59 | batrick | the origin of the taunts is shirik use to pen test batbot |
| 05:14.07 | batrick | but has given up because he's a noob |
| 05:14.41 | End_ | oh penetration test |
| 05:14.46 | End_ | I remember that |
| 05:14.58 | batrick | so for all eternity, once a week, batbot will harass shirik |
| 05:15.05 | Kaylin | I was like that sounds hot... oh wait security thing nvm. |
| 05:15.15 | Thunder_Child | Untill i kill batrick and take batbot offline |
| 05:15.20 | batrick | gl |
| 05:15.25 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 05:15.51 | End_ | TC will take all the luck he can get...not because he needs it, but because he's a luck hoarder |
| 05:16.04 | Thunder_Child | noms End_'s luck |
| 05:16.10 | End_ | noooooes my lucks |
| 05:16.20 | batrick | hides his lucky charms. |
| 05:16.40 | Thunder_Child | also noms hinding places |
| 06:07.11 | Shirik | (22:14:06) (batrick) but has given up because he's a noob |
| 06:07.13 | Shirik | no |
| 06:07.26 | Shirik | Shirik has given up because his testing has proven so successful that there are now zero security holes |
| 06:07.33 | Shirik | such a thing does not exist except in Shirikland |
| 06:11.49 | zenzio | you left out the "day" in "zero day security holes" Shirik |
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| 06:16.13 | zenzio | man, the one thing I hate about the day after pay day is waking up to the SMSes from the bank saying "LOL WE TOOK MONEY FOR YOUR LOAN" |
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| 06:26.19 | arton | \:D/ |
| 06:27.20 | Torhal | Cairenn, and anyone else who cares about the LoL spectacle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujijaucr4Yw |
| 06:27.29 | arton | StarTip2 is up and running. You configure it with a separate addon -- a profile if you will. |
| 06:27.51 | arton | Beats the clunky options dialogs. |
| 06:28.22 | Torhal | arton: o.O You're starlon as well or am I really confused? |
| 06:28.29 | arton | I'm starlon yes. |
| 06:28.41 | arton | is sneaky. |
| 06:29.10 | Torhal | Aha :) |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik | :< |
| 06:29.17 | Shirik | American astronaut Neil Armstrong (pictured), the first person to walk on the Moon, dies at the age of 82. |
| 06:29.24 | Torhal | Shirik: Welcome to yesterday. |
| 06:29.29 | Shirik | FFUUU |
| 06:29.34 | Shirik | I was busy flipping cards yesterday |
| 06:29.42 | arton | NBC got it mixed up and named him Neil Young. |
| 06:29.56 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 06:30.00 | arton | yes |
| 06:30.14 | arton | unless it was a faked screencap |
| 06:30.17 | arton | I doubt it. |
| 06:33.51 | Torhal | http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/372256/group/homepage/ |
| 06:33.54 | zenzio | I'm kind of annoyed about this Armstrong thing... yes, he was a great astronaut and all of that, but it's hardly as if the moon landing and the space program was his alone; but no-one gives much thought to all the people behind the scenes |
| 06:35.08 | Torhal | Also: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/08/25/neil-young-armstrong-nbc-mistake_n_1830502.html |
| 06:36.23 | Shirik | zenzio: <3 |
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| 06:48.05 | Mr_Rabies | zenzio, still though, being the first known/recorded living being on a natural object in space outside the earth's atmosphere is pretty fantastic |
| 06:48.16 | zenzio | definitely |
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| 07:00.01 | Torhal | arton: Why are you hard-embedding LibQTip? |
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| 07:01.16 | arton | Torhal: We already talked about this before, but I haven't checked any updates on the bug. My fix breaks the custom cell handler API. |
| 07:01.34 | arton | The bug was related to cells being too tall. |
| 07:02.04 | Torhal | If you didn't file a ticket, I wouldn't have remembered. |
| 07:02.07 | arton | So I forced the cells to a specific height. |
| 07:02.17 | arton | There's a ticket. |
| 07:02.19 | arton | I didn't file it. |
| 07:02.24 | arton | I did comment on it. Sec. |
| 07:02.57 | Torhal | So basically you're breaking any AddOn that uses LibQTip with custom cells. |
| 07:03.43 | Torhal | Ah, you changed the MAJOR |
| 07:03.57 | arton | nods. |
| 07:04.07 | arton | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libqtip-1-0/tickets/26-incorrect-height-for-cells-with-colspan/ |
| 07:04.24 | arton | Makes no sense why it's broken either. |
| 07:04.32 | arton | It just shouldn't act like that. |
| 07:04.34 | bluspacecow | 333 MB + 16.3 MB + Updates folder updates patch for Tuesday. |
| 07:04.57 | bluspacecow | i just rewrote my beta build checking script to check live build :3 |
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| 07:47.08 | Fisker | hey Adys |
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| 07:54.23 | Fisker | :'( |
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| 09:06.29 | zenzio | so a customer was asking for a change in what was displayed in a search result. I said that the fastest and easiest thing would be if I simply changed it in the code (as opposed to making a form where they could change things on their own). The reply? |
| 09:06.38 | zenzio | "Ok. What is code? Is that something you do?" |
| 09:06.39 | bluspacecow | DERP! |
| 09:06.54 | bluspacecow | starting typing that before you even gave the reply. like a boss. |
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| 10:01.52 | pompy | http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/strong-magnitude-74-quake-hits-off-el-salvador-coast-tsunami-warning-issued/2012/08/27/c6dfb946-f008-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc000c7yw.php |
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| 10:20.25 | Semlar | the gulf is not having a good day |
| 10:21.20 | Sintacks | on level 63 shaman > finish random dungeon > requeue with two people > one leaves > seceond leaves > asks me if i want to queue to find replacemnts for stocks > click yes > wait for queue pop > get in stocks with level 20s > lolz > pull whole dungeon > kill everything |
| 10:22.20 | Semlar | so LFD put you in a level 20 group |
| 10:22.45 | Semlar | that instance doesn't have a higher level version does it? |
| 10:24.26 | Semlar | it must have just completely disregarded your level after your group fell apart |
| 10:25.45 | Semlar | oh maybe someone in your group was hiding in the actual stockades so it defaulted to that |
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| 10:56.41 | Sintacks | Semlar, not sure what happened, but i've had it happen before. |
| 10:56.49 | Sintacks | it's funny, and fun |
| 10:57.30 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure if you finish a dungeon through LFD and you have someone in your group physically enter another dungeon it lets you try and queue for that |
| 11:01.26 | Sintacks | maybe. idk. |
| 11:01.34 | pnorman | yes |
| 11:02.00 | Semlar | i had kinda forgotten about that |
| 11:02.34 | Sintacks | the first time it ever happened was during love is in the air and doing that boss, and after someone left, it asked if we wanted to find someone to finish the dungeon, so we clicked yes, and it gave us some random low level. and we finished the dungon for them. |
| 11:02.37 | Sintacks | and this was back in wrath |
| 11:02.58 | Semlar | when lfg first came out i remember being able to use that to teleport to a dungeon that was near where you wanted to go |
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| 11:04.31 | Semlar | it would teleport you to the dungeon but when you walked out of the portal you weren't back where you teleported from you were at the entrance |
| 11:05.30 | bluspacecow | updating my addons |
| 11:05.30 | bluspacecow | since november |
| 11:05.30 | bluspacecow | i is bad persons |
| 11:05.44 | Semlar | you update things? |
| 11:05.50 | bluspacecow | they've actually been surprisingly stable. |
| 11:06.01 | Semlar | that's the trouble with writing things that don't break |
| 11:06.05 | bluspacecow | i don't update unless they break. none of them have broken as yet. |
| 11:06.06 | Sintacks | they normally are stable |
| 11:06.13 | Sintacks | most updates are "improvements" |
| 11:06.21 | bluspacecow | gotta get ready for the flood of updates for patch day. |
| 11:06.25 | Sintacks | and this late in an expansion, most addons would be stable |
| 11:06.40 | Sintacks | i havent' updated anything in 4 days |
| 11:06.45 | Sintacks | and curse only says i have 5 updates |
| 11:06.48 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 11:06.58 | bluspacecow | but mine i haven't updated since november 2011 |
| 11:07.22 | haste | someone just sent a 50k page print job to a printer :D |
| 11:07.28 | haste | 3.5G size |
| 11:07.30 | Semlar | every time i add a feature to something i break something else |
| 11:07.47 | haste | twice! |
| 11:07.48 | Semlar | i should just quit while i'm ahead |
| 11:07.52 | haste | nah |
| 11:07.59 | haste | just stop breaking stuff |
| 11:08.12 | Semlar | that would require forsight |
| 11:08.27 | haste | don't just do, understand! |
| 11:08.32 | bluspacecow | nah just do what we all do |
| 11:08.37 | bluspacecow | make it up as we go along. |
| 11:08.57 | Semlar | i'd rather just blindly stumble through the motions |
| 11:09.19 | Semlar | like this map addon i've spent the last 5 hours on |
| 11:09.40 | Semlar | i just keep changing values until it works |
| 11:10.20 | Semlar | i'm actually getting this awesome fisheye effect because the textures in the middle are the proper scale but as they get toward the edges they start compressing to fit inside the area |
| 11:10.57 | Semlar | because i haven't started using settexcoord to make them cut off properly |
| 11:13.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 11:18.22 | Sintacks | haste, srsly? how do you send a 50k page print job to a printer ... twice |
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| 11:21.42 | zenzio | clearly it took so long the first time that they thought it had stalled or something :) |
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| 11:21.46 | zenzio | * ;) |
| 11:25.39 | haste | Sintacks: the user probably thought it didn't arrive the first time, and sent it again |
| 11:25.45 | haste | (to the wrong printer :D) |
| 11:25.59 | haste | but I have no idea how the job was generated |
| 11:26.31 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 11:26.33 | Fisker | hey hey hey hey |
| 11:26.55 | haste | hey! |
| 11:27.31 | Fisker | yes! |
| 11:29.38 | Kalroth | hay hay |
| 11:34.30 | bluspacecow | hey hey fisker |
| 11:34.33 | bluspacecow | im in space |
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| 11:45.02 | Jamash | hellish staff of herding crafted |
| 11:45.04 | Jamash | now must sleep |
| 11:45.37 | Sintacks | i have to go back and buy the nightmare one to make hellish, but i'm lazy |
| 11:47.12 | Fisker | hey blu |
| 11:47.14 | Fisker | damnit |
| 11:47.36 | Sintacks | hey Fisker |
| 11:47.37 | Sintacks | y u mad |
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| 13:26.09 | Sintacks | sick and fucking tired of fucking flash fucking crashing fucking fuck |
| 13:26.39 | zenzio | I see it's crashing so hard your keyboard is stuck repeating words |
| 13:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | No, Flash causes Tourette's. Known bug. |
| 13:29.07 | Lopeppeppy | I get that bug too, a lot. |
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| 13:52.37 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:52.47 | Lopeppeppy | Early lunch? Well, okay, if you insist. |
| 13:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | How was your weekend, Fisker-dear? |
| 13:54.16 | Stanzilla | Fisker: inb4 old http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-306-02-beta-drivers-released/ |
| 13:55.22 | Kalroth | old |
| 13:55.34 | kd3 | yay; dropbox two-factor auth |
| 13:55.43 | kd3 | downloads /yet another/ app for his smartphone |
| 13:59.00 | Fisker | it was bad Lopeppeppy |
| 13:59.01 | Kaelten | kd3: wat! |
| 13:59.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very nice, kd3. I think I need an update there. |
| 13:59.02 | Kaelten | where? |
| 13:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Whyfor bad, Fisker? |
| 13:59.19 | Fisker | geforce experience yet Stanzilla ? |
| 13:59.24 | kd3 | I saw it on /., but I don't see it in my dropbox settings anywhere |
| 13:59.25 | kd3 | grrs |
| 13:59.43 | kd3 | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/434685/dropbox_upgrades_security_two-factor_authentication/ |
| 13:59.51 | Fisker | Some dumb american company had their preposterous patents validated Lopeppeppy |
| 14:00.18 | kd3 | https://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=66910 |
| 14:00.19 | Kaelten | https://www.dropbox.com/account |
| 14:00.22 | Kaelten | is 500ing |
| 14:00.23 | Stanzilla | Fisker: noo |
| 14:00.36 | zenzio | it's hardly a new thing, but for crying out the US has some fucked up patent laws |
| 14:00.46 | kd3 | that forum link has the info |
| 14:01.03 | Kaelten | zenzio: I'd be fine with some cleaned up copyright law, and no patents myself |
| 14:01.07 | Kraps | buy a $300+ graphics card, get borderlands 2 FREE |
| 14:01.13 | zenzio | Kaelten: yeah |
| 14:01.14 | kd3 | anyway, off t o work |
| 14:01.47 | Fisker | well atleast they may file for a mistrial or whatever |
| 14:04.52 | Lopeppeppy | Patents and copyrights are all so... wrapped up in bulldogging the other person to death. Have been since the first two guys argued over who invented the wheel. |
| 14:08.54 | mckenziemc | no peppy |
| 14:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | Was it earlier? |
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| 14:26.47 | Stanzilla | what is this restart after graphics driver madness |
| 14:26.53 | Stanzilla | *update |
| 14:27.44 | Amarande | heh, speaking of updates, I'll be doing a lot of those in the next day or two. finally ordered a terabyte HD. :) |
| 14:27.57 | Amarande | they have one for 70 bucks on newegg today that's not a refurb, and is a 7200RPM |
| 14:28.20 | Amarande | it's also a Samsung, which makes this Apple hater a bit happier. :) |
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| 14:31.02 | Ressy | Stanzilla: To properly install drivers, they really shouldn't be in use, or else bad things can happen, hense the restart. |
| 14:31.26 | Ressy | Nvidia added a 'clean install' option, which restarts the system automatically for you. |
| 14:32.30 | Arrowmaster | at the very least you need to kill x, modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia, and restart x |
| 14:41.33 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: Nvidia Linux Display Driver 304.43 btw |
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| 14:55.38 | Fisker | umad Kraps ? |
| 14:55.50 | Kraps | old Fisker |
| 14:55.54 | Sintacks | y u mad Kraps |
| 14:55.54 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 14:56.00 | Fisker | agreed with Sintacks |
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| 14:56.12 | Sintacks | u mad cuz Fisker's mad, Kraps? |
| 14:56.26 | Sintacks | cuz Fisker mad |
| 14:56.29 | Fisker | i farted actually Sintacks |
| 14:56.37 | Kraps | lol Fiskers mad |
| 14:56.41 | sintAcks | so mad |
| 14:56.45 | sintAcks | he might kill someone |
| 14:57.09 | End_ | fisker is mad as a jellyfish |
| 14:57.26 | sintAcks | "With the upcoming release of patch 5.0.4, all items within the Logs Directory for World of Warcraft will be deleted. It is advised that if you have WoW Combat Logs or WoW Chat Logs that you would like to save, that you do so prior to the release of the patch. |
| 14:57.26 | sintAcks | " |
| 14:57.27 | sintAcks | wat |
| 14:57.47 | End_ | that's happened in previous expansion pre-patches |
| 14:57.54 | End_ | er pre-expansion patches whatever |
| 14:58.20 | Kraps | who cares |
| 14:58.23 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:58.32 | End_ | I think sintAcks cares |
| 14:58.34 | End_ | so |
| 14:58.35 | End_ | there |
| 14:58.38 | Fisker | i once lost evidence of someone being wrong on the internet Kraps |
| 14:58.53 | Kraps | ahahaha |
| 14:59.07 | End_ | that someone was |
| 14:59.08 | End_ | fisker |
| 14:59.11 | mitch0 | Fisker: but then you faked it anyway |
| 14:59.13 | End_ | *gasp* |
| 14:59.18 | Fisker | nope End_ |
| 14:59.20 | Fisker | hey mitch0 |
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| 14:59.26 | Fisker | i just uninstalled bazooka |
| 14:59.38 | End_ | Fisker: are you saying I am wrong on the internet? |
| 14:59.41 | End_ | you better prove it |
| 15:00.32 | Fisker | btw this news article stated that apple was using nano sim to fit a bigger battery |
| 15:00.33 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 15:01.24 | mitch0 | Fisker: why would you uninstall it? |
| 15:01.25 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone is wrong on the internet. Except for me. |
| 15:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | Go ahead, I'll wait while you parse that. |
| 15:01.34 | Shirik | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:02.01 | Vladinator | just change directory permissions so the updater can't delete in the logs directory? :D |
| 15:02.11 | Fisker | because mitch0 |
| 15:02.53 | End_ | Lopeppeppy: you're right |
| 15:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik! How's tricks? |
| 15:03.21 | Amarande | hmm. no deletions of the interface directory, though |
| 15:03.23 | Amarande | right? |
| 15:03.30 | Shirik | tricks? |
| 15:03.47 | Amarande | mind you, I need to reinstall WoW soon anyway |
| 15:03.51 | Amarande | since I'll be getting a new hard disk this week |
| 15:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | I've been asking people that literally for years, silly bear. *laugh* |
| 15:04.15 | Vladinator | keep symlink for WTF and Interface, no more problems! :D |
| 15:04.25 | End_ | they aren't deleting the interface or wtf directory, so far as I know |
| 15:04.39 | Shirik | I don't remember this :( |
| 15:04.44 | End_ | but I'll be copying my beta interface and wtf directories over from my beta install |
| 15:05.12 | Lopeppeppy | How's tricks, how's things, how are you doing, what's up, socially null question of general friendly inquisitive greeting? |
| 15:05.16 | mckenziemc | Lopeppeppy: Trix are for kids |
| 15:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | Very much so, mckenziemc. Only critters that can run off that much sugar. |
| 15:06.48 | TC-Work | no no Lopeppeppy, the thought of Shirik turning tricks was quite a trip |
| 15:07.44 | mckenziemc | sooo sleepy :( |
| 15:07.55 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, anyone can be a call person in their spare time. |
| 15:08.35 | TC-Work | Well, yea, while anyone could, the thought of Shirik doing it is.....unusual |
| 15:08.40 | TC-Work | yes* |
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| 15:11.16 | Unkle | station |
| 15:11.27 | TC-Work | Not in norcal Unkle |
| 15:12.05 | Unkle | But Bill & Ted are from San Dimas, Ca! |
| 15:12.22 | Unkle | Where strange things are afoot at the Circle-K |
| 15:12.49 | TC-Work | Are there any even left? |
| 15:13.19 | Unkle | I don't know. I haven't seen one since I got to CA. |
| 15:13.21 | Amarande | Circle K's? |
| 15:13.39 | TC-Work | Yea, i remember seeing them, but not for a while |
| 15:13.44 | TC-Work | but then i dont get out much |
| 15:14.38 | Amarande | yeah, there's still quite a lot of them. the chain is apparently owned by some tards now. :) |
| 15:14.51 | Amarande | (no really, the name of the parent company is "Alimentation Couche-Tard." heh) |
| 15:15.14 | mckenziemc | no really, this guy in IRC is named Amarande |
| 15:15.19 | mckenziemc | can you believe it? |
| 15:15.34 | End_ | nope |
| 15:15.38 | End_ | you'll need to prove it |
| 15:15.45 | mckenziemc | :< |
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| 15:27.50 | p3lim | Is there a way to place secured frames in combat? |
| 15:28.27 | Unkle | You mean, create, move, hide or show once combat starts? |
| 15:28.32 | p3lim | just move |
| 15:28.57 | p3lim | I know it has to be done in a secure environment if it is even possible |
| 15:29.18 | Unkle | I don't think even secure frames are allowed to move once combat begins. |
| 15:29.45 | nebula169 | don't believe so, you can interact with them, show/hide them, but i don't think you can move them |
| 15:30.11 | Unkle | Mostly to prevent "move this button to the mouse" kind of hacks. |
| 15:30.12 | p3lim | You can't use :Show() or :Hide() on a secure frame in combat |
| 15:30.29 | nebula169 | no, but you can use macro conditionals to control their visibility state |
| 15:30.50 | p3lim | That I already do |
| 15:31.34 | End_ | I think you actually -can- manipulate that sort of thing, but only from the restricted environment, and you have very limited information |
| 15:31.52 | End_ | so probably not what you want |
| 15:32.01 | p3lim | if X is visible place Y at point 1, if not, place Y at point 2 |
| 15:32.02 | p3lim | basicly |
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| 15:33.01 | Unkle | Checking: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide-4.0-r1.pdf |
| 15:33.08 | End_ | depends on what X is maybe? I don't know |
| 15:33.20 | p3lim | another secure frame, using the same handler |
| 15:34.08 | p3lim | It will work like a raid frame, but only show certain units on certain conditions (already done) |
| 15:34.08 | End_ | I want to say probably yes but I'm not super familiar with the secure frame stuff |
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| 15:35.17 | Unkle | You may be able to place the frame using the OnShow for the secure frame, but couldn't reposition it after that. |
| 15:35.35 | Xinhuan | you might be better off making 2 Y buttons, then hiding and showing Y1 and Y2 respectively |
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| 15:35.56 | Xinhuan | i believe you cannot move a secure frame in combat for any reason |
| 15:39.53 | Amarande | Xinhuan: yeah, if you could, there probably wouldn't be glitches like I've seen with Grid |
| 15:40.13 | Amarande | where if you're in an LFD group and you receive a new member while in combat, Grid looks bad until after battle |
| 15:40.15 | Xinhuan | oh it looks like you CAN move a secure frame, the secure frame reference allows you to SetPoint on another secure frame |
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| 15:40.28 | End_ | yeah that's what I was looking at too Xinhuan |
| 15:40.31 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 15:40.47 | End_ | I've never actually written -anything- using secureframes though |
| 15:40.51 | Xinhuan | i have :P |
| 15:41.08 | Xinhuan | i would say i knew how it worked 2 years ago pretty well... but that was 2 years ago |
| 15:41.10 | Unkle | More than a few times Xinhuan! |
| 15:41.27 | Torhal|work | Xinhuan: Ackis wants you to rewrite Collectinator. |
| 15:41.27 | Xinhuan | hehe Unkle |
| 15:41.31 | Torhal|work | hides. |
| 15:41.36 | Xinhuan | hides |
| 15:41.40 | End_ | why aren't you doing it Torhal |
| 15:41.44 | End_ | isn't that your job title |
| 15:41.47 | Xinhuan | looks like we have the same idea :P |
| 15:41.51 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.52 | Torhal|work | End_: Fuck that AddOn. |
| 15:41.53 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 15:41.54 | bluspacecow | i finds you! |
| 15:41.57 | End_ | hehehe |
| 15:41.58 | nilyaK1 | wiggles. |
| 15:42.09 | Xinhuan | after so many rewrites, you have to rewrite it again HAHA |
| 15:42.11 | bluspacecow | i finds you too ! |
| 15:42.21 | Xinhuan | fate is cruel |
| 15:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'll re-write his addon. |
| 15:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | In crayon. |
| 15:43.12 | Shadowed | Torhal if I submit a release of an addon as 5.0.4 is the stupid curse client going to pick it up before it goes live |
| 15:43.54 | Xinhuan | write a C++ compiler/interpreter in WoW's Lua, then write it in C++ |
| 15:43.55 | End_ | I don't think you're the first person to ask Torhal that |
| 15:44.04 | Shadowed | probably not |
| 15:44.08 | Xinhuan | then we can have c++ code running lua code which is running c++ code |
| 15:44.09 | Shadowed | but he can't kick me so I get to ask it again! |
| 15:44.14 | End_ | hehehe |
| 15:44.21 | nebula169 | curse client does what curse client wants |
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| 15:51.07 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 15:51.16 | bluspacecow | my pocket just bock bocked |
| 15:51.18 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 15:51.27 | bluspacecow | ipods in there with puzzlecraft on it |
| 15:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | is that a chicken in your pocket or are you glad to see me? |
| 15:53.06 | harl | hello |
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| 16:11.55 | Torhal|work | Shadowed: It's filtered out. |
| 16:12.04 | Shadowed | oh good |
| 16:12.14 | bluspacecow | @Lopeppeppy Bock BOCK! |
| 16:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Best answer ever, bluspacecow. And of course, the only acceptable answer too. |
| 16:20.39 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy I don't carry a /chicken/ exactly, in my pocket. |
| 16:20.49 | nilyaK | Link does. |
| 16:22.59 | mckenziemc | tickles Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | Tee hee hee! |
| 16:27.43 | End_ | fit |
| 16:27.45 | End_ | blah |
| 16:27.57 | End_ | obviously I meant to do ^A :fit |
| 16:27.58 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, that's not a chicken, it's a baby velociraptor! |
| 16:28.13 | Unkle | Just what every man wants to hear. |
| 16:30.03 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 16:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | I try my best to please, Unkle. |
| 16:30.34 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 16:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | What? I never flirt with anybody in the Lounge. Nev-ar! |
| 16:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Most particularly never Lunessa. And because you heard it on the internet, it must be true. |
| 16:33.51 | Unkle | Also, I'm shameless. |
| 16:34.06 | bluspacecow | Mr Unkle Shamus |
| 16:34.29 | bluspacecow | oh i mean Unkle Shameless |
| 16:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | Which makes us a horrible pair of non-flirts, Unkle. |
| 16:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | I miss my football. |
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| 16:43.49 | Unkle | You should become passionate about a sport that happens in the football off-season. Like say... Hockey. |
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| 16:44.38 | Fisker | you don't have an ipod bluspacecow |
| 16:44.52 | bluspacecow | and neither do you |
| 16:46.17 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: that first Capra Demon is a total bitch to kill, i had to summon another player and let him tank him while i threw fireballs and healed us |
| 16:47.31 | Mr_Rabies | my strategy for capra demon was this |
| 16:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | no joke |
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| 16:47.41 | Mr_Rabies | 1) strip off all armor |
| 16:47.49 | Mr_Rabies | 2) use newfound speed to dodge his attacks |
| 16:49.05 | Arrowmaster | im wearing the black leather armor so ive got good speed, but i kept getting caught up by the dogs everytime i entered the area |
| 16:53.10 | Fisker | trips Arrowmaster |
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| 17:35.37 | pompy1 | bluspacecow: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2012eubn.php |
| 17:36.55 | bluspacecow | hmm interesting |
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| 17:37.26 | bluspacecow | bit far away from us tho |
| 17:37.41 | bluspacecow | http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/ |
| 17:38.40 | pompy1 | yeah 162 miles away from raeiol |
| 17:38.43 | pompy1 | or whatever |
| 17:39.19 | pompy1 | a 7.3 hit off teh coast of el savador but no tsunami |
| 17:41.23 | pompy1 | Shirik: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php boo at that notice in red |
| 17:41.36 | pompy1 | i mean the real-time map is okk, but i liked this list. |
| 17:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | so what types of addons are most likely to be totally hosed tomorrow if they haven't been updated for 5.0? I'm guessing talents, achievements, pets, and mounts at least |
| 17:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | anything else? |
| 17:49.22 | Jamash|zzz | glyphs! |
| 17:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | oh, yeah, i was mentally including that with talents but it makes sense to be independent |
| 17:50.41 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.0.4/API_changes |
| 17:50.52 | Jamash | party functions changed names |
| 17:51.31 | Mr_Rabies | LE_PARTY_CATEGORY_INSTANCE |
| 17:51.34 | Jamash | anyone know what's with the "LE" prefix |
| 17:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | damn you, reddit! |
| 17:51.38 | Jamash | are we all reddit now? |
| 17:51.50 | Jamash | great minds think alike? |
| 17:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | so there i was working on le party category instance |
| 17:51.57 | Mr_Rabies | and then i was all fffuuu |
| 17:52.28 | Jamash | it probably stands for something |
| 17:53.12 | bluspacecow | framexml |
| 17:53.16 | bluspacecow | framexml? |
| 17:53.19 | p3lim | Xinhuan: you said that I would be able to move a secure frame in combat, do you have proof of this? |
| 17:53.31 | Jamash | how does L E stand for framexml |
| 17:53.45 | Jamash | last letter of each component in reverse order? |
| 17:53.55 | Fisker | it's not a prefix Jamash |
| 17:53.57 | Fisker | it's french! |
| 17:54.02 | Jamash | you're a prefix |
| 17:54.06 | Fisker | no |
| 17:54.09 | Jamash | fiskerdin |
| 17:54.10 | Xinhuan | i don't have proof, but the documentation indicated you could SetPoint a secure frame to another secure frame in a secure code snippet |
| 17:54.12 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 17:54.21 | Jamash | Jamash |
| 17:54.23 | Xinhuan | as long as you have the frame reference in the secure environment |
| 17:54.45 | Fisker | if it's not maintained anymore pompy1 how come it was updated 5 minutes ago? |
| 17:54.57 | Jamash | I updated your mom 5 minutes ago. |
| 17:55.00 | Xinhuan | i don't remember how to do it, i would have to dive into my own bar addon to figure it out again after all these years :P |
| 17:55.44 | Jamash | Lua Environment? |
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| 17:57.59 | Jamash | or lua enum |
| 17:58.16 | Jamash | it seems to be used for variables that hold enum-style values |
| 17:58.48 | End_ | Jamash: LE is Lua Enum |
| 17:58.54 | End_ | oh you saw |
| 17:59.02 | Jamash | no, I deduced it logically |
| 17:59.03 | End_ | well someone actually said that's literally what it stands for |
| 17:59.19 | pompy1 | Fisker: thats what i said as well. |
| 17:59.29 | p3lim | Also, how does unitframe addons create new secure frames without popping errors? :s |
| 17:59.32 | End_ | the blue guy who posts in the ui & macros forum |
| 17:59.40 | Jamash | cool |
| 17:59.47 | Jamash | I'm smart |
| 17:59.56 | End_ | indeed |
| 18:00.07 | End_ | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6019723577 |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker | it's "Le" |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker | as in french |
| 18:01.37 | End_ | you're french |
| 18:01.52 | Semlar | whoa whoa whoa whoa what you can move a secure frame as long as you attach it to another one? |
| 18:01.54 | Fisker | thats not what your mom said |
| 18:02.01 | Semlar | is that the only requirement? |
| 18:02.08 | Semlar | because i tried to attach all the nameplates to each other once |
| 18:02.26 | Fisker | Limited lua execution time - In order to keep the game client running smoothly, the lua runtime will break if it is executing a single lua call for too long. This also applies to macros, and will mark the macro as disabled until you reload the UI. Currently this only applies in combat (example: Taint is active). |
| 18:02.27 | End_ | that doesn't sound right |
| 18:02.32 | Fisker | i guess that fixes macro spam LOL |
| 18:02.35 | End_ | oh wait |
| 18:02.39 | p3lim | Semlar: It has to be done in a secure environment, and you have to access everything from there |
| 18:02.41 | End_ | you mean attach to another secure frame? |
| 18:02.42 | p3lim | Apparently |
| 18:02.45 | Fisker | (except people will just suspend the network or similar shens) |
| 18:03.51 | pompy1 | Fisker: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/233621-possibly-the-solution-to-denmarks-raf-problem/ |
| 18:03.52 | Jamash | just call the same function repeatedly |
| 18:04.00 | Fisker | old pompy1 |
| 18:04.03 | Fisker | why mad? |
| 18:04.07 | pompy1 | haha yeah it is |
| 18:04.23 | End_ | pompy1 is mad as a shoemaker |
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| 18:06.36 | pompy1 | What |
| 18:07.09 | Jamash | didn't know they made shoes out of felt |
| 18:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yes... that's centuries old, Jamash. |
| 18:07.53 | Jamash | well then I guess one could be mad as a shoemaker |
| 18:09.14 | Dagmar | Typically those are called "slippers" |
| 18:09.40 | Dagmar | Sometimes they're made from berber rabbits |
| 18:10.10 | bluspacecow | bieber rabbits ? |
| 18:10.13 | bluspacecow | i support this. |
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| 18:11.49 | Xinhuan | p3lim, the secure frames have to be pre-built in advance i think |
| 18:13.58 | Jamash | so wait, the new imp voice is invader zim? |
| 18:16.33 | nilyaK | GIR reporting for duty! |
| 18:16.39 | nilyaK | What does the G stand for? |
| 18:16.47 | nilyaK | I don't know... ;) |
| 18:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | Genuine Improved Raptor. |
| 18:23.52 | p3lim | Ok, so if I create a header, the header itself will be able to spawn and remove frames |
| 18:24.37 | nevcairiel | but only on pre-defined rules and positions, you cant just arbitrarily spawn new secure frames |
| 18:25.20 | p3lim | I know, but the frames are actually unit frames, so the header will work fine for this |
| 18:25.29 | p3lim | party/raid frames even |
| 18:26.10 | nebula169 | what kind of addon are you working on, out of curiosity |
| 18:26.13 | p3lim | The attributes shown in the top of SecureGroupHeaders.lua, can I change those in combat? |
| 18:26.24 | p3lim | Showing unitframes depending if they are dead or not |
| 18:26.30 | Semlar | that you can do |
| 18:26.32 | nebula169 | ah |
| 18:26.39 | nevcairiel | you cant change any attributes in combat |
| 18:26.58 | Semlar | well, you can change their opacity |
| 18:27.11 | p3lim | It was more for placements |
| 18:27.29 | p3lim | Can I use a visibility state driver on the header's children? |
| 18:28.54 | p3lim | The reason I want to be able to sort or place them is to avoid gaps between each dead unit |
| 18:29.43 | Semlar | well i'm pretty sure you can't shuffle the unit frames around |
| 18:30.00 | Semlar | you can fade them out in place |
| 18:30.54 | Semlar | if you could move them around you could just put the lowest health target under your mouse to heal them |
| 18:31.11 | Xinhuan | you can't Semlar |
| 18:31.17 | p3lim | Isnt there some preventive measures to avoid that? |
| 18:31.17 | Xinhuan | you can't move them around based on HP |
| 18:31.28 | End_ | you can manipulate positioning in your RE driver code, but you have no way to tell what their health is |
| 18:31.30 | Xinhuan | because you can't detect or get the unit's HP from secure environment |
| 18:31.40 | p3lim | I'm using macro conditions here, so thats why this might work |
| 18:31.43 | Xinhuan | i'm fairly sure you can move the secure frame |
| 18:31.53 | Xinhuan | in response to "dead" |
| 18:33.05 | Semlar | maybe the dead frames but not the rest |
| 18:33.54 | p3lim | Well, the rest would be hidden (properly hidden, not by alpha), so as long I can move or sort the visible ones that would be awesome |
| 18:34.07 | Xinhuan | that's where you are wrong :P |
| 18:34.14 | Semlar | oh? |
| 18:34.33 | Xinhuan | i can get all children handles of a secure frame |
| 18:34.40 | Semlar | maybe i need to look more closely at secure state drivers |
| 18:35.27 | Semlar | i don't suppose you could use them to move nameplates since they're spawned after you get into combat |
| 18:36.10 | Xinhuan | i have 30 or so buttons |
| 18:36.10 | Xinhuan | secure buttons |
| 18:36.31 | Xinhuan | that i parent to a secure handler parent |
| 18:36.37 | Xinhuan | -- Get button references into our secure header |
| 18:36.37 | Xinhuan | IPopBarFrameBar:Execute("Buttons = table.new(self:GetChildren())") |
| 18:36.37 | Xinhuan | IPopBarFrameBar:Execute("IPopBarFrameBar = self") |
| 18:36.52 | Xinhuan | then i execute that, and Buttons[] is a table in the secure environment to all 33 buttons :P |
| 18:37.13 | Jamash | hmm, should probably update my embedded ace3 to the 5.0.4-compatible version |
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| 18:53.13 | Jamash | sigh |
| 18:53.18 | Jamash | blizz always making my life difficult |
| 18:53.27 | Jamash | jab changes spell id based on equipped item :-/ |
| 18:53.33 | Unkle | #firstworldproblems |
| 18:53.54 | Jamash | #firstworldofwarcraftproblems |
| 18:54.08 | Krapsy | why, does it do different things based on weapon? |
| 18:54.50 | Jamash | different animations |
| 18:54.59 | Jamash | also different icon |
| 18:55.23 | Krapsy | ohhhh cool |
| 18:55.31 | Jamash | well, guess I'd better watch for ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED |
| 18:57.06 | Jamash | hm, looks like I already do, guess I'd better update my event handler for that case |
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| 19:01.34 | MentalPower | Cairenn: ping |
| 19:01.38 | wereHamster | pong |
| 19:01.45 | Cairenn | MentalPower: pong |
| 19:02.08 | Cairenn | I already talked to Esamynn| |
| 19:02.27 | MentalPower | yup, sorry |
| 19:02.32 | Cairenn | np :) |
| 19:03.55 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: no you cannot filter dead units in the group headers |
| 19:04.24 | Esamynn|work | and I wouldn't advise using the visibility state driver on them either |
| 19:04.36 | Krapsy | http://theinstance.net/2012/08/how-the-mop-trailer-should-have-gone/ |
| 19:07.26 | Krapsy | do you need a curse account to use the client? |
| 19:07.38 | Unkle | yes. |
| 19:08.19 | Esamynn|work | oh sorry, directed that at the wrong person |
| 19:08.46 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: the group headers were specifically designed to avoid you being able to filter/sort on things like hp death, etc. |
| 19:09.23 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: and no, I would recommend against using a state driver on them, you're more likely to break things than anything else |
| 19:10.25 | Esamynn|work | the group header and aura headers are still seperate from the "main" secure system because they need to operate based on information that can't be allowed into the generalized system |
| 19:10.38 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: Your raptor fetish is beginning to alarm me. |
| 19:11.22 | Jamash | Krapsy: I want the 30 seconds I spent watching that video back |
| 19:11.32 | Krapsy | no |
| 19:11.36 | Krapsy | no refunds |
| 19:11.38 | Jamash | Torhal|work: what took so long? |
| 19:12.21 | Torhal|work | Jamash: For? |
| 19:12.31 | Esamynn|work | Torhal|work: Velociraptors are awesome, do you deny this? |
| 19:12.35 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy's raptor fetish to start alarming you |
| 19:12.44 | Torhal|work | Esamynn|work: I do not./ |
| 19:12.50 | Torhal|work | Jamash: AFKness. |
| 19:13.02 | Jamash | I mean, I've been alarmed by it for years |
| 19:13.08 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 19:13.14 | Jamash | raptors can use door handles you know |
| 19:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Therefore they are gods. |
| 19:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a fetish, it's a legitimate religion. |
| 19:13.39 | Jamash | that means Lopeppeppy can use door handles |
| 19:13.45 | Unkle | Velociraptors - the Cretaceous Peroid's way of saying "You look delicious." |
| 19:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | That what he said. |
| 19:13.51 | Jamash | which means she might be sneaking into your room RIGHT NOW |
| 19:13.56 | Xinhuan | Esamynn|Away, that would explain my partial confusion myself, since i know i can reposition secure buttons, but wasn't so sure about unit frames |
| 19:14.26 | Xinhuan | There is a secure UnitIsDead() though |
| 19:14.28 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: feel free to poke me if you have anymore questions about the group headers |
| 19:14.35 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 19:14.36 | Esamynn|work | queue obligatory XKCD |
| 19:14.38 | Esamynn|work | s/queue/que/ |
| 19:14.46 | Jamash | http://www.velociraptors.info/ |
| 19:14.56 | Jamash | denied! |
| 19:15.26 | Unkle | I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 19:15.38 | Esamynn|work | Xinhuan: is there now? I admit, I'm not an expert on what information is available in the generalized secure system |
| 19:16.00 | Esamynn|work | (given that I've never used the system myself) |
| 19:16.02 | Esamynn|work | I'm just an expert on the group header (for obvious reasons) |
| 19:16.18 | Xinhuan | there's a SetPoint that can be used on a secure reference on another secure reference |
| 19:16.23 | Jamash | Esamynn|Away: "Cue" |
| 19:16.26 | Xinhuan | so i assumed it can be used |
| 19:16.46 | Esamynn|work | shit, you're right Jamash :( |
| 19:16.56 | Esamynn|work | ~fail me |
| 19:16.57 | purl | esamynn|work: FAIL! |
| 19:17.00 | Jamash | que paso? |
| 19:17.35 | Jamash | crud |
| 19:18.00 | Jamash | I'm sleepy (spent all night farming gold in DIII to get hellish staff of herding) but I gotta get my addon in decent shape in the next 2.5 hrs |
| 19:18.10 | Ressy | lol |
| 19:18.17 | Esamynn|work | Xinhuan: can you actually get the group headers into the secure system? |
| 19:18.32 | Jamash | time to start smoking meth |
| 19:18.32 | Xinhuan | i've never tried |
| 19:18.37 | Xinhuan | so no idea |
| 19:18.45 | Esamynn|work | Jamash: trust me, you're not nearly has hosed, in that regard, as I am |
| 19:19.07 | Esamynn|work | I suspect you can't, iirc you can't can't bring arbitrary frames into the secure system |
| 19:19.27 | Xinhuan | iirc, you can bring secure frames into the secure system |
| 19:19.28 | Esamynn|work | but it has been a long time since |
| 19:19.46 | Xinhuan | by using :Execute("") |
| 19:19.57 | Esamynn|work | hmm, yah maybe |
| 19:20.11 | Esamynn|work | anyways, the group header would simply override anything you did at the next update anyways |
| 19:20.27 | Esamynn|work | and if you try to block that you WILL break stuff |
| 19:21.08 | Jamash | breaks stuff |
| 19:21.18 | Jamash | let's get r-worded in here |
| 19:21.30 | Humbedooh | arrr |
| 19:21.31 | Xinhuan | like i mentioned earlier |
| 19:21.33 | Xinhuan | i did |
| 19:21.34 | Xinhuan | IPopBarFrameBar:Execute("Buttons = table.new(self:GetChildren())") |
| 19:21.35 | Jamash | that's what I need, coding music |
| 19:21.47 | Xinhuan | to get a table of 33 secure child actionbuttons |
| 19:22.04 | Xinhuan | into the secure environment, neatly into a array of 33 |
| 19:23.42 | Xinhuan | later snippets, i wrap scripts that hide/unhide the 33 buttons to OnEnter/OnLeave |
| 19:24.51 | p3lim | nevcairiel: Can I register a state driver (visibility) on a header's child? |
| 19:25.30 | nevcairiel | you can register it on any frame, but since two headers then control that frame, the result will most likely be rather funny |
| 19:25.57 | p3lim | So the state driver on the header also controls the children? |
| 19:26.42 | Xinhuan | the state driver can't check for variables in the secure environment |
| 19:26.51 | Jamash | http://machall.com/view.php?date=2004-09-06 |
| 19:26.57 | Xinhuan | so most likely, the state driver will override whenever any state changes |
| 19:27.22 | Xinhuan | hmm i dont know heh |
| 19:28.25 | Xinhuan | if both headers can share the same environment (possible?) they can reference a common variable |
| 19:28.54 | p3lim | I'll clean up my code a bit and dump a pastey in a few minutes |
| 19:30.33 | Xinhuan | setattribute/getattribute might be another way |
| 19:30.49 | Xinhuan | to "store" data on the frame being controlled |
| 19:31.24 | nevcairiel | sharing environments is impossibly stupid to control |
| 19:31.37 | nevcairiel | even between a header and its child frames |
| 19:32.31 | Xinhuan | snippet wrapping allows it fairly easily i think |
| 19:32.59 | Xinhuan | wrapscript that is |
| 19:32.59 | nevcairiel | its better to just stick to attributes |
| 19:34.04 | nevcairiel | i re-implemented full action buttons in secure code, and using globals in the restricted env was always a problem, so i moved all to attributes |
| 19:34.53 | Xinhuan | buttons and unitframes are quite different though |
| 19:35.18 | Xinhuan | we both did buttons, he's working on unitframes :P |
| 19:35.26 | nevcairiel | only on how the frames are spawned, the secure env is the same |
| 19:35.33 | Xinhuan | i suppose |
| 19:41.18 | p3lim | This is what I have: http://pastebin.com/KcUsgs6h |
| 19:46.21 | p3lim | However, unitsuffix on line 23 is nil |
| 19:47.16 | Esamynn|work | I take it back |
| 19:47.25 | Esamynn|work | the group header has specific support for the visibility state driver |
| 19:47.39 | Esamynn|work | but you won't be able to close the space left by the dead unit |
| 19:48.58 | p3lim | I just want to get it working now, the spacing issue I can see if I can deal with later |
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| 19:50.57 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: what is the problem precisely? |
| 19:54.24 | p3lim | Right now I am trying to understand how SecureGroupHeaderTemplate works |
| 19:54.39 | p3lim | And in the pastey I linked, the attribute 'unitsuffix' is nil, on line 23 |
| 19:55.00 | p3lim | Which I have to use to turn 'raid' into 'raid1' etc |
| 19:55.08 | p3lim | (as far as I understood it) |
| 19:55.36 | Esamynn|work | no, unit suffix is for things like target and pet |
| 19:55.45 | p3lim | Ah |
| 19:56.12 | Esamynn|work | the unit attribute of the button will contain the full base unit (ie. raid1) |
| 19:57.04 | Esamynn|work | also, the initialConfigFunction is only called when a NEW child is created by the header |
| 19:57.16 | Esamynn|work | so your macros are going to become out of date |
| 19:58.49 | Esamynn|work | and the same is true for your visibility state driver registration |
| 20:00.10 | Esamynn|work | basically, the initialConfigFunction script is for a ONE TIME configuration of ONLY the newly created unit frame |
| 20:00.25 | Esamynn|work | you shouldn't be using it to mess with the rest of the header |
| 20:01.21 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 20:01.43 | Mr_Rabies | is there any way to yell at curse client to get 5.0 versions of addons for MoP beta? |
| 20:02.12 | Esamynn|work | be patient and wait for tomorrow? ;) |
| 20:02.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm testing to see what to expect for tomorrow, what to start looking for alternatives for |
| 20:02.52 | Esamynn|work | not everyone will have posted their 5.0 updates yet |
| 20:02.59 | Esamynn|work | I know I haven't |
| 20:03.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i know, |
| 20:03.07 | Mr_Rabies | but for example |
| 20:03.22 | Mr_Rabies | there's one for bartender on curse, a beta release for 5.0 |
| 20:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | the client doesn' seem to want anything to do with it |
| 20:04.00 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: Will the unit attribute be ready right after I register unitwatch on the object? |
| 20:05.05 | Ressy | Thats probably a good thing that the client isn't showing 5.0.4 addons. Most don't work on beta. Already seeing people installing 5.0.4-ready addons, and complaining about LUA errors on live. |
| 20:05.21 | Ressy | err.. Most don't work on live* |
| 20:05.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i can manually do it, but i just kinda want to know what's gonna be broken |
| 20:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | looking for updates for 50 addons manually kinda sucks :( |
| 20:06.22 | Ressy | wait til tomorrow. ;) |
| 20:06.39 | Mr_Rabies | well, i'd like to take the initiative and see what's broken before raid night :p |
| 20:06.42 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: no guarentees either way, likely your unit frame won't have its unit attribute updated for the new state of things until after the UnitWatch handling is already done |
| 20:07.32 | Ressy | Mr_Rabies: Guessing you're not raiding tonight then? Because if you install 5.0.4 addons on live, shit's gonna break. |
| 20:07.34 | Esamynn|work | oh there you go |
| 20:07.38 | Esamynn|work | you want the refreshUnitChange code block |
| 20:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | i never said on live! |
| 20:07.42 | Mr_Rabies | i said in beta :p |
| 20:07.44 | Ressy | ah |
| 20:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | so far though, it seems bartender's it while playing around in stormwind |
| 20:08.16 | Ressy | Switch Curse's settings for your Beta install to alpha builds. |
| 20:08.19 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: the refreshUnitChange code block is executed whenever a unit frame's target unit is updated |
| 20:08.38 | Ressy | a bunch of addons have alpha or beta builds just waiting to go "release" tomorrow. |
| 20:08.39 | Esamynn|work | and prior to being shown by the header |
| 20:08.39 | Mr_Rabies | i did, it only downloads the 4.3.4 versions for my beta install for some reason :| |
| 20:09.02 | Esamynn|work | so you can use that to keep your macro and visibility up-to-date |
| 20:09.36 | Esamynn|work | Mr_Rabies: well, I don't know much about the curse client, but I do have a crazy idea |
| 20:09.48 | Esamynn|work | manual download and installation |
| 20:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | <Mr_Rabies> yeah, i can manually do it, but i just kinda want to know what's gonna be broken |
| 20:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | <Mr_Rabies> looking for updates for 50 addons manually kinda sucks :( |
| 20:10.48 | Krapsy | 50 wow |
| 20:11.24 | Ressy | I've got about that for my live install. Guild officer, and I get to manage the guild bank. >.< |
| 20:11.34 | Unkle | I have several that I will no longer need after the patch. :) Buh-bye NeedyGreedy. |
| 20:12.10 | Esamynn|work | I should really do a purge of my addon folder on live |
| 20:12.53 | Esamynn|work | I've let a lot of cruft build up |
| 20:13.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i just got rid of ACP and bugsack, too |
| 20:13.24 | Mr_Rabies | i suspect they may be the source of some of my tainting issues |
| 20:13.52 | Ressy | I couldn't live without ACP. |
| 20:14.11 | Mr_Rabies | it likes to completely wreck my per-character addon settings from time to time |
| 20:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | like, who loads with what enabled |
| 20:14.27 | nevcairiel | neither of those addons seem to have a high chance of tainting anything :p |
| 20:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | well, i'm getting desperate and barely use the features of both |
| 20:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'd get the error that "too many errors are happening right now your experience may be degraded" and bugsack would say no errors :< |
| 20:15.53 | Ressy | acp works perfectly with MoP btw |
| 20:16.11 | Ressy | Mr_Rabies: I've seen that pop up without any addons installed & present. |
| 20:16.17 | nevcairiel | bugsack ignores taint errors |
| 20:16.32 | nevcairiel | but the game doesnt |
| 20:16.44 | Ressy | Blizz had enough bugs in their own code causing problems. |
| 20:16.46 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that can help track down the source of taint errors? |
| 20:16.59 | nevcairiel | the taint log |
| 20:17.00 | Mr_Rabies | my taintlog wasn't being very helpful |
| 20:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | everytime i'd disable the addon that it said was causing taint, it would say another one was doing it in the exact same way |
| 20:17.28 | nevcairiel | taint log on level 2 can reveal anything, but it requires a masters in wow-forensics to read |
| 20:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | i went about 15 addons down before i gave up |
| 20:18.29 | Xinhuan | it took me 2 days to trace a taint once |
| 20:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | i've been working on finding the source of mine for months |
| 20:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm hoping between blizzard hopefully fixing some of their own bugs and the addon changes in 5.0, it'll be fixed |
| 20:19.30 | Xinhuan | u have to work backwards and reference each and every taint |
| 20:19.37 | Xinhuan | as to whether that taint was caused by a previous taint |
| 20:19.49 | Xinhuan | it gets crazy hard when it only occurs in combat |
| 20:19.59 | Xinhuan | because the taint log becomes impossibly long |
| 20:20.07 | Mr_Rabies | :effort: |
| 20:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it only occurs in combat, and mostly seems to occur in raids |
| 20:20.29 | Mr_Rabies | so it's a total pain to test |
| 20:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | can't really stop mid-raid and try to fix it |
| 20:20.51 | Esamynn|work | remembers coding runs during Molten Core |
| 20:21.08 | Esamynn|work | doesn't work so well these days ;) |
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| 20:27.28 | Mr_Rabies | reinstalled bugsack in beta, hahaha |
| 20:27.36 | Mr_Rabies | before it's even done loading "FATALITY!" |
| 20:27.44 | Jamash | first try it with no addons at all |
| 20:27.52 | Jamash | or just bugsack |
| 20:28.01 | Jamash | oh, raids |
| 20:28.02 | Jamash | suck |
| 20:28.03 | Mr_Rabies | then another once the game's loaded |
| 20:28.16 | Mr_Rabies | fishingbuddy is all kinds of hosed |
| 20:28.23 | Mr_Rabies | i think i should probably just forget it exists |
| 20:29.15 | Mr_Rabies | oh, there are some MoP updates for it |
| 20:29.19 | Mr_Rabies | dangit curse client :< |
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| 20:32.18 | End_ | recently some of my guildies wanted to do ICC for some transmog and wanted me to come, so I was like okay, but I'm writing an addon while we do this |
| 20:33.12 | End_ | my damage was not fantastic but they didn't really need me |
| 20:33.41 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: I noticed that refreshUnitChange is fired a lot |
| 20:34.56 | Krapsy | so |
| 20:35.12 | Krapsy | what does "some transmog" mean :/ |
| 20:35.35 | nevcairiel | he wanted the style of some item |
| 20:36.10 | End_ | transmogrification is a feature they introduced in 4.3 |
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| 20:36.38 | End_ | like nevcairiel says, it lets you use the appearance of another item on your gear |
| 20:36.56 | End_ | so you can rock tier 2 or whatever even though you're wearing something else |
| 20:38.05 | Krapsy | ah so some people run spesific things to get that model |
| 20:38.18 | End_ | yup |
| 20:38.38 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/j3lsl.jpg it works! |
| 20:38.51 | End_ | cool |
| 20:39.19 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: yes, it would be fired every R_R_U |
| 20:39.42 | End_ | I'm a bit curious how you get the minimap points twice (since I didn't think there could be more than one minimap) |
| 20:39.59 | Semlar | you can make another minimap frame, it'll just break the original one |
| 20:40.06 | End_ | oh? odd |
| 20:40.10 | End_ | your other one doesn't look broken |
| 20:40.21 | Semlar | if you try to hover over the points on the original minimap the tooltip is just blank |
| 20:40.30 | Semlar | other than that it works |
| 20:40.38 | End_ | huh |
| 20:41.10 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: soooo... why create a new frame then, rather than just modifying the existing Minimap? |
| 20:41.18 | End_ | I thought it used to break even more |
| 20:41.23 | Semlar | well i'm going to have to replace the original map |
| 20:41.39 | Semlar | i haven't gotten to that part yet |
| 20:41.59 | nevcairiel | it would seem easier to just repurpose the original mini map |
| 20:42.03 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 20:42.10 | nevcairiel | also ensures any addons that try to work with the minimap keepworking |
| 20:42.16 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 20:42.29 | Krapsy | man, scott and dills by themselves is so inane |
| 20:42.38 | Semlar | i don't have to create my own, i can just move the minimap on top of mine |
| 20:42.48 | Krapsy | or maybe scotts just getting old |
| 20:43.04 | Semlar | i just did this so i wouldn't have to get rid of all the textures that are on top of the minimap right now |
| 20:44.33 | Esamynn|work | just saying, it's mods like these that occasionally prompt people to ask me to add support for alternate Minimaps to Astrolabe |
| 20:46.26 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Ingwo.jpg here's a bigger one |
| 20:46.56 | End_ | almost makes me feel nostalgia for addons past |
| 20:47.08 | End_ | are minimap texture names still stored by hash? |
| 20:47.22 | Torhal|work | Esamynn|work: Do you laugh hysterically whilst dispatching hitmen to said AddOn's author's home? |
| 20:47.40 | Semlar | unlike carbonite i'm not using a database of texture names |
| 20:47.47 | Semlar | it's all blizzard api |
| 20:47.51 | End_ | oh really! |
| 20:48.09 | End_ | that sounds like less of a pain in the butt |
| 20:48.14 | Adys | Cairenn: ping |
| 20:48.23 | Cairenn | Adys: pong |
| 20:48.41 | Esamynn|work | Torhal|work: no comment |
| 20:48.42 | End_ | is it an api new to MoP? |
| 20:48.43 | Semlar | i had to make one exception for pandaria because the internal name doesn't line up |
| 20:49.01 | Semlar | and maybe the maelstrom, haven't checked that |
| 20:49.12 | Torhal|work | Ok, then: Can neither confirm nor deny. Gotcha. |
| 20:49.33 | Semlar | kalimdor, northrend, eastern kingdoms and outland all work without any modification |
| 20:50.12 | Semlar | i believe some of the functions i'm using only exist on the beta |
| 20:50.21 | Semlar | or at least only return the values i'm using on the beta |
| 20:51.32 | Semlar | writing the part to stitch the textures together and make them act as one was probably the hardest part about it |
| 20:52.30 | End_ | did you use SetTexCoord or did you use ScrollFrame? |
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| 20:52.36 | Semlar | settexcoord |
| 20:52.54 | End_ | hehe that's what I did a long time ago |
| 20:53.09 | End_ | ScrollFrame is a lot easier but I never actually released that version |
| 20:53.19 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: Alright, so far I got the clicks working, but how would I be able to register a visibility state driver on the children? |
| 20:53.25 | Semlar | sometimes the textures flicker when they're loading a new one so i might layer some extra textures under them |
| 20:53.40 | End_ | nods. |
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| 20:54.30 | Semlar | also, as far as i can tell you can't check if a texture exists any more |
| 20:54.38 | Semlar | settexture always returns 1 |
| 20:54.54 | Semlar | and calling gettexture after you set it always returns the path |
| 20:55.05 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: do you need to? |
| 20:56.08 | Semlar | my addon could conceivably attempt to set a blank texture and i don't know a way around that |
| 20:56.48 | End_ | an advantage of having a database |
| 20:57.00 | End_ | but updating a database is annoying |
| 20:57.04 | Semlar | yeah.. |
| 20:57.24 | Esamynn|work | did the behaviour of SetTexture's return change at some point? |
| 20:57.43 | Semlar | i believe it used to return nil if a texture didn't exist |
| 20:58.03 | Semlar | and then when it stopped doing that i was still able to use gettexture after i set it because if it failed it wouldn't match the path |
| 20:58.16 | Esamynn|work | I wonder if that was a change due to the streaming client... |
| 20:58.23 | End_ | I was kinda thinking the same |
| 20:58.38 | End_ | but the streaming client would probably have a list of existing files I would think? but maybe not |
| 20:59.00 | Semlar | when it fails you get this great neon green texture in its place so i was hoping i could find a way around this |
| 20:59.08 | Esamynn|work | nods |
| 20:59.50 | Semlar | even if it's hackish |
| 21:01.38 | Ackis | hates the word hackish |
| 21:01.57 | Semlar | hACKISh |
| 21:02.09 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:02.15 | End_ | hacks the Ackis. |
| 21:02.17 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 21:02.19 | Kodiack | hates the word Ackis |
| 21:02.39 | Esamynn|work | now now, no need to state the obvious |
| 21:02.45 | End_ | hehehe |
| 21:02.55 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/i8NpG.jpg good times |
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| 21:04.15 | Esamynn|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.35 | Semlar | i was just trying to make a resizable minimap |
| 21:04.54 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
| 21:05.19 | Esamynn|work | I was just wondering if I needed to be looking adding something to Astrolabe to support this scenario... |
| 21:06.11 | Semlar | i don't know, my code is a huge mess right now because i've just been trying to get it to work |
| 21:06.24 | Semlar | i'm going back through and cleaning it up |
| 21:06.33 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: Yes I need to, it's the whole point in this |
| 21:06.48 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: no, you didn't understand my question |
| 21:06.59 | Esamynn|work | can you do what you need WITHOUT the visibility driver? |
| 21:07.09 | Esamynn|work | directly in the update code block |
| 21:07.57 | p3lim | Oh that's true, it's secure :o |
| 21:08.06 | Semlar | i'm just sad it doesn't appear to be possible to do this for indoor areas |
| 21:08.14 | p3lim | Do I have access to UnitDead() in there? |
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| 21:08.40 | Semlar | as far as i can tell they don't use blp textures at all, the indoor stuff is stored as objects |
| 21:08.41 | Esamynn|work | don't reacall, easy enough to check |
| 21:08.45 | p3lim | UnitIsDead* |
| 21:08.47 | End_ | they do use blp textures |
| 21:08.56 | End_ | but you probably need a database for that |
| 21:09.16 | End_ | and yes, you need to be able to understand wmos |
| 21:09.29 | Esamynn|work | hahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:09.36 | Semlar | can you access the wmo texture paths from inside the game? |
| 21:09.41 | p3lim | Woah, I have access to it :D |
| 21:09.45 | End_ | the minimap textures? yes |
| 21:10.01 | Amarande | heh, Esamynn |
| 21:10.05 | Amarande | I think I've gamed too much over the years |
| 21:10.11 | End_ | but you probably don't have a way to get their names from inside the game |
| 21:10.20 | Amarande | the moment you mentioned "astrolabe" I thought of that guy in the tower in Icewind Dale who goes on and on about how it twirls, twirls |
| 21:10.30 | Ressy | oh god astrolabe. >.< |
| 21:10.35 | Semlar | how do you open the wmo files |
| 21:10.37 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 21:10.46 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: :Show/Hide doesn't do much though |
| 21:10.49 | Esamynn|work | has no clue what End_ is talking about |
| 21:10.51 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember his name now, I think it was something with an L ... I wanted to think Laharl, but I know that's Disgaea, not IWD |
| 21:10.59 | End_ | you don't :P |
| 21:11.03 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: yes, you need to simulate the driver |
| 21:11.11 | Esamynn|work | it sets an attribute on the target frame |
| 21:11.36 | Esamynn|work | "statehidden" |
| 21:11.44 | End_ | if you really want to get into this you'd probably be best asking the wowhead guys or atlas (if it is still being updated???) how they do it |
| 21:12.07 | Ressy | Sorry Esamynn|work: Bad memories of Astrolabe & 2.4. The mess on the forums made me wanna cry. |
| 21:12.27 | Esamynn|work | hmm? |
| 21:13.24 | End_ | but yeah, you're looking at generating a database of textures probably? and that's a pain in the butt |
| 21:13.37 | Semlar | it would have to be more than just generate the list of textures |
| 21:13.41 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: then you can just rely on the header to show/hide it as appropriate |
| 21:14.01 | Semlar | it would have to store how they fit together and somehow match those up to the map in game which would probably have to be done manually |
| 21:14.37 | End_ | storing and matching wouldn't be too difficult, except in your case you would have to guess which room you are in |
| 21:14.47 | Semlar | assuming you wanted GetPlayerMapPosition to be able to match up your character to the texture |
| 21:14.49 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: Don't I need the driver in the first place to even show the header? |
| 21:15.00 | End_ | you have to rotate the textures too, so you have to store that |
| 21:15.21 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: well, you can still use the driver on the header itself |
| 21:15.22 | End_ | I wish I still had my old screenshots |
| 21:15.22 | Semlar | yeah i'm just not going to even attempt doing indoor stuff |
| 21:15.31 | End_ | that's probably wise |
| 21:15.55 | Semlar | it would be practically pointless with the in-game maps anyway |
| 21:16.00 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: I tried that, and the buttons were still shown |
| 21:16.25 | Esamynn|work | oh right, you'll still need to do the :Hide() |
| 21:16.41 | Esamynn|work | I forgot, the header doesn't hide children until they're no longer in use |
| 21:16.52 | p3lim | So first I set statehidden to true, then I hide it |
| 21:17.23 | Esamynn|work | if not unitButton:GetAttribute("statehidden") then unitButton:Show(); end |
| 21:17.23 | Esamynn|work | yup |
| 21:17.59 | Semlar | like.. none of the functions i'm using are documented, so i should probably try and keep track of what they do |
| 21:18.24 | p3lim | Esamynn|work: Still doesnt work, I do all this within the refreshUnitChange |
| 21:20.37 | Esamynn|work | not sure then, I'm not in front of a client atm, just working from the header code |
| 21:21.17 | p3lim | Here is my current code, in case you see something obvious http://pastebin.com/bUj2BU4D |
| 21:23.03 | Esamynn|work | uhhh |
| 21:23.22 | Esamynn|work | why are you still iterating over the other children in your init method? |
| 21:23.57 | p3lim | No idea, was following a template I found on a forum |
| 21:24.21 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 21:24.25 | p3lim | :D |
| 21:24.44 | p3lim | I barely have any experience with the header system |
| 21:24.48 | Esamynn|work | you're very close to the bad side of my favourite quote :P |
| 21:24.50 | p3lim | (Obviously) |
| 21:24.57 | Shadowed | that is uh |
| 21:24.59 | Shadowed | very creative |
| 21:25.03 | Shadowed | very wrong as well |
| 21:25.05 | Shadowed | but very creative |
| 21:25.17 | Esamynn|work | Shadowed: creative is not the word I would choose |
| 21:25.24 | Shadowed | I have to be nice |
| 21:25.34 | Esamynn|work | huh? why? |
| 21:25.45 | Shadowed | I dunno, I think it's expected |
| 21:26.24 | Shadowed | p3lim, look at SUF modules/units.lua |
| 21:26.49 | p3lim | Any specific line? |
| 21:26.59 | Shadowed | just search for the securegroupheader stuff and trace through it |
| 21:27.00 | p3lim | I skimmed over your stuff earlier |
| 21:27.10 | Shadowed | that's a much better example of how you properly do secure group headers that works in combat |
| 21:27.24 | Shadowed | or PerfectRaid |
| 21:29.48 | p3lim | Ah now I see how I got all my stuff messed up, the forum I read was also iterating over children's children (pets) |
| 21:30.15 | Esamynn|work | that still wouldn't make any sense :P |
| 21:30.48 | Esamynn|work | as I said, the init method is for ONE TIME initialization |
| 21:30.52 | Esamynn|work | of the newly created unit frame |
| 21:31.11 | Esamynn|work | it is only called when the header needs to expand beyond its previous maximum |
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| 21:31.54 | Esamynn|work | so in a group, max 5 times |
| 21:31.57 | Esamynn|work | in a raid, max 40 |
| 21:33.45 | p3lim | Sanity: http://pastebin.com/Pyt8ASfC |
| 21:34.53 | Esamynn|work | that looks much more sane |
| 21:36.05 | p3lim | However, how would I set the size of the objects now? |
| 21:37.16 | Shadowed | ok, here's how the secure group headers work |
| 21:37.22 | p3lim | just on self in initialConfigFunction? |
| 21:37.39 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: you don't |
| 21:37.42 | Esamynn|work | like I said |
| 21:37.48 | Esamynn|work | you CANNOT close the gap |
| 21:37.50 | Esamynn|work | by design |
| 21:37.55 | p3lim | No Esamynn|work |
| 21:38.08 | p3lim | The width and height of each object |
| 21:38.08 | Shadowed | You set an attribute called initialConfigFunction which contains a string that gets run when the frame is first created (as in, a single units frame). You can set the height/width/scale, and any attributes as long as they don't begin with _ |
| 21:38.27 | Shadowed | This is your ONLY chance to make frame changes, since if they are in combat, right after it becomes locked down |
| 21:38.29 | p3lim | I just found out Shadowed :) |
| 21:38.43 | Esamynn|work | oh right, the header provides atrributes to set the size during init |
| 21:40.19 | Shadowed | The initialConfigFunction key you set on the header frame is what's called to actually create the frames itself, which if I recall, is done right as the header itself is initialize |
| 21:40.42 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2KyCX.jpg alright i put the minimap on top of mine, what more could you want |
| 21:40.53 | End_ | I want ice cream |
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| 21:41.06 | Semlar | SEAMLESS INTEGRATION |
| 21:41.55 | Shadowed | If you do anything besides that with secure headers, they won't work in combat |
| 21:42.20 | Esamynn|work | no, actually, I take that back, it doesn't |
| 21:42.31 | Esamynn|work | in fact, p3lim, the header assumes all children are the same size |
| 21:42.44 | Esamynn|work | I think you have to set that in the frame template |
| 21:43.11 | Shadowed | Esamynn|work, it's what I said :P |
| 21:43.59 | Esamynn|work | can you actually set width/height during init? |
| 21:44.06 | Shadowed | yes |
| 21:44.48 | Shadowed | You cannot register for unit watch afaik |
| 21:44.56 | Shadowed | which is why it has the initial-unitwatch attribute |
| 21:45.10 | Vladinator | Semlar: what happens if you have rotating minimap on? |
| 21:45.22 | Semlar | i don't account for it |
| 21:45.30 | p3lim | I set the size for all the units in initialConfigFunction, and yes, all of them are going to have the same size |
| 21:45.32 | Vladinator | was just curiouz ;) |
| 21:45.33 | Shadowed | Esamynn|work: https://gist.github.com/ccb3d8fac171a3db7737 is SUFs initializer for example though |
| 21:45.38 | Shadowed | and that all works fine |
| 21:46.01 | Semlar | at least not yet, i had enough work trying to figure out how to crop the textures to fit properly without them spinning |
| 21:46.04 | Shadowed | oh wait I was mistaken |
| 21:46.12 | Vladinator | I can imagine |
| 21:46.41 | Shadowed | the initialConfigFunction method (not the attribute), lets you just call your normal code, but it cannot do any sort of secure changes like height or width |
| 21:46.41 | Semlar | math isn't really my strong point |
| 21:47.01 | Vladinator | I have this theory you can simulate a 3d minimap view but cba to try add it ;p |
| 21:47.07 | Vladinator | (like you look at the map from an angle) |
| 21:47.33 | Semlar | i think there's a basic heightmap in the dbc files |
| 21:48.01 | Semlar | i don't know what it's actually used for |
| 21:48.41 | Semlar | the only theory i've seen is for giant objects like mountains to show up in the distance against the skybox |
| 21:48.45 | p3lim | Shadowed: I use that method to create textures, fontstrings and that kinds of stuff, and aswell setting the refreshUnitChange attribute on each unit |
| 21:48.57 | Shadowed | which |
| 21:49.02 | Shadowed | initialConfigFunction method or the attribute |
| 21:49.15 | Shadowed | Esamynn|work, I heavily dislike the person who came up with naming those the same thing by the way |
| 21:49.18 | Shadowed | can I blame you? |
| 21:49.51 | p3lim | Shadowed: The method, called from the attribute |
| 21:50.04 | Shadowed | so the String you pass? |
| 21:50.07 | p3lim | Yes |
| 21:50.17 | Shadowed | You don't need to create the textures in that unless you want to |
| 21:50.26 | Shadowed | the refreshUnitChange attribute would need to be in there, but everything else doesn't |
| 21:51.13 | p3lim | Shadowed: Since I already need it, I might as well just create those things there |
| 21:51.28 | p3lim | How it is finished: http://pastebin.com/vBVkN1Vm |
| 21:51.36 | Esamynn|work | Shadowed: wait, initialConfigFunction can still be a method, I thought it had to be a string attribute now |
| 21:51.48 | Shadowed | Esamynn|work: No there are two things named initialConfigFunction :P |
| 21:52.01 | Shadowed | One is an attribute that has to be a string and you do any secure changes you need in that |
| 21:52.09 | Shadowed | the other is a key set on the header frame that you run insecure things on |
| 21:52.46 | p3lim | Called with this from within the string: self:CallMethod('initialConfigFunction', self:GetName()) |
| 21:52.50 | Shadowed | See: https://gist.github.com/0c20b348cbec6eced3ed and https://gist.github.com/ccb3d8fac171a3db7737 |
| 21:53.14 | Esamynn|work | Shadowed: the function you describe is the original design, but I don't see it in the code anymore |
| 21:53.21 | Shadowed | it's still there |
| 21:53.32 | Shadowed | hmm or maybe not |
| 21:53.36 | Shadowed | I'm trying to remember if I did this or nevcairiel did |
| 21:53.46 | Shadowed | I think I can blame nevcairiel for this |
| 21:54.05 | Shadowed | Was that done during cata? |
| 21:54.31 | Esamynn|work | which? |
| 21:54.41 | Shadowed | shifting initialConfigFunction to an attribute |
| 21:54.59 | Esamynn|work | I don't recall the timing precisely |
| 21:55.14 | Shadowed | nevcairiel is my scapegoat for anything that looks weird in SUF from cata upgrades |
| 21:55.48 | Esamynn|work | also, I take it back |
| 21:55.55 | Esamynn|work | you can call SetWidth in the secure code block |
| 21:56.06 | Shadowed | well yes |
| 21:56.13 | Shadowed | I would hope so, if you couldn't I would have issues :P |
| 21:56.18 | Esamynn|work | and that means... oh crap |
| 21:56.21 | Shadowed | ? |
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| 21:57.34 | Esamynn|work | I'm trying to remember if the buttons each anchor to the one previous, or to the header |
| 21:57.42 | Shadowed | previous afaik |
| 21:58.11 | Shadowed | yea previous |
| 22:10.19 | Krapsy | why doesnt the wow quest tracker highlight the closest quest argh |
| 22:13.14 | Stanzilla | it can sort by closest |
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| 22:17.32 | Krapsy | oh crap |
| 22:17.41 | Krapsy | thanks Stanzilla |
| 22:18.26 | Stanzilla | np |
| 22:23.12 | Torhal|work | Anyone on Lost Isles Horde-side that can invite me to the guild? |
| 22:23.17 | mckenziemc | no |
| 22:23.34 | End_ | how would you know |
| 22:23.42 | Stanzilla | don't do it |
| 22:23.47 | End_ | it's a trap? |
| 22:23.56 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 22:24.01 | nilyaK | :X |
| 22:24.08 | Torhal|work | garrottes Stanzilla with mckenziemc's eyestalks. |
| 22:24.37 | mckenziemc | End_: because it's Torhal |
| 22:53.25 | nilyaK | http://imgur.com/gallery/VxC7k |
| 22:54.02 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 23:33.53 | kd3 | yay. 2-step verification for dropbox enabled |
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| 23:39.37 | TC-Work | I keep saying shh to remote computers >.< |
| 23:39.59 | Stanzilla | can someone post something on the us forums for me, please? :o |
| 23:41.56 | Jammer | Stanzilla: think you can just register us trial account and post yourself |
| 23:43.40 | Stanzilla | You need a World of Warcraft™ character (created in-game) to post on the forums. |
| 23:43.41 | Stanzilla | hnng |
| 23:44.37 | Corrodias | you are not permitted to communicate with the priveliged class |
| 23:44.43 | Corrodias | go back to your foreign containment area |
| 23:45.29 | Corrodias | ah, classic blizzard methodology |
| 23:45.51 | Corrodias | of course, with WoW being as old as it is now, i suppose anything it did at the start is classic now |
| 23:46.31 | Stanzilla | Torhal|work: mind being useful for a second? |
| 23:46.53 | Semlar | i had to switch my battle net account over to diablo to use the forums |
| 23:49.38 | Stanzilla | or pompy1 |
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