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| 00:03.05 | Torhal | Ressy has new evil ideas. |
| 00:04.03 | Ressy | naw |
| 00:04.21 | Ressy | Internet is in my name. |
| 00:05.58 | Torhal | lol |
| 00:06.27 | Kaylin | Resinternetsy |
| 00:06.57 | Ressy | I changed us from Robbers to Teksavvy, increased the speed tier, and am still paying less than what we were paying on Robbers. :P |
| 00:07.31 | Kaylin | but now you can't blame rogers for (deservedly) everything. |
| 00:07.54 | Ressy | My Teksavvy internet is provided via Rogers. |
| 00:07.59 | Ressy | Wholesale. |
| 00:08.16 | Kaylin | :D |
| 00:15.27 | Amarande | hmmm, soooo |
| 00:15.36 | Amarande | since you're restricted to ground mounts until max level in Pandaria |
| 00:15.55 | Amarande | is it going to be like Outland where most leveling zones have high level pieces that you won't be able to reach until you hit cap and can fly? |
| 00:16.43 | Torhal | Nobody knows. |
| 00:17.38 | Ressy | Valley of the Four Winds has an area like that. |
| 00:18.19 | Ressy | Its specifically for lvl 90 dailies tho |
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| 01:58.49 | mckenziemc | http://dontclick.it/ |
| 02:02.01 | Kaylin | is tempted. |
| 02:02.35 | Kaylin | http://www.whois.net/whois/dontclick.it |
| 02:04.01 | mckenziemc | tempts Kaylin with cookies. |
| 02:15.55 | mckenziemc | it's a mousover-centric interface experiment fyi |
| 02:16.10 | mckenziemc | mouseover* |
| 02:16.27 | Kraps | question for wowi peeps, a "5.0.x-compliant" addon will work on current live yeah? |
| 02:16.43 | Esamynn | not necessarily |
| 02:16.48 | TMc51 | depends on what it does |
| 02:16.59 | Esamynn | Kraps: maybe |
| 02:17.00 | Kraps | ok |
| 02:32.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LgiCq.jpg well this is an interesting effect |
| 02:33.35 | mckenziemc | hacker |
| 02:34.12 | Semlar | i'm working on a way to expand the minimap textures |
| 02:34.55 | Semlar | i can't figure out a way to check whether a texture path actually exists on the beta client though so i can't make exceptions for it |
| 02:37.28 | Semlar | right now if you try to set a texture that doesn't exist it just default to neon green |
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| 02:40.07 | Adys | str.casefold() in python 3 |
| 02:40.11 | Adys | 3.3* |
| 02:40.11 | Adys | *awesome* |
| 02:41.13 | Semlar | you're a casefold |
| 02:43.15 | Adys | The new os.replace() function allows cross-platform renaming of a file with overwriting the destination. With os.rename(), an existing destination file is overwritten under POSIX, but raises an error under Windows. (Contributed by Antoine Pitrou in issue 8828.) |
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| 02:52.22 | kd3 | wait, wha? |
| 02:52.25 | kd3 | slows down and rereads |
| 02:53.52 | mckenziemc | os.rename(Fisker, kd3) |
| 02:58.44 | Torhal | rm -rf mckenziemc |
| 02:59.03 | mckenziemc | you don't have permission to do that |
| 02:59.23 | Torhal | Don't make me meme you |
| 02:59.36 | mckenziemc | umad? |
| 03:00.10 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/GxEVK.jpg map overload! |
| 03:02.15 | Semlar | i have a feeling cropping the borders for this is going to be a pain |
| 03:04.56 | Esamynn | sudo rm -rf mckenziemc |
| 03:05.13 | mckenziemc | you don't have permission to do that either |
| 03:05.36 | Esamynn | don't count on it :P |
| 03:05.58 | Semlar | sudo woodo |
| 03:06.22 | mckenziemc | ~8ball |
| 03:06.22 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: My reply is no |
| 03:07.08 | Semlar | do you normally roll an 8 ball |
| 03:07.32 | mckenziemc | ~8ball |
| 03:07.32 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: It is decidedly so |
| 03:07.38 | mckenziemc | :< |
| 03:07.46 | Semlar | well who am i to argue with a bot |
| 03:08.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/DnXoU.jpg oh yeah, this works well indoors |
| 03:09.20 | mckenziemc | hey Semlar |
| 03:09.25 | mckenziemc | you've got a giant + on your screen |
| 03:09.31 | Semlar | do i? |
| 03:09.40 | Semlar | i hadn't noticed |
| 03:09.50 | mckenziemc | you also have weasels on your face |
| 03:09.59 | Semlar | they come with the territory |
| 03:10.18 | A-KO | wonder when some people are going to come up with masterful artwork pieces with the new Windows 8 paint app |
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| 03:11.37 | Semlar | okay covering the entire screen in textures is causing performance issues |
| 03:11.43 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:12.07 | Semlar | maybe i shouldn't be updating them every frame |
| 03:12.15 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 03:19.33 | Esamynn | Semlar: you think? |
| 03:19.42 | Semlar | nah |
| 03:19.57 | Semlar | that's a tomorrow problem |
| 03:21.43 | Semlar | i need to only generate enough textures to fill up the viewing area and then trim the ones at the borders so they fit |
| 03:23.15 | Semlar | i suppose first i need to make a viewing area.. |
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| 03:50.07 | mckenziemc | guess i should let Almaty finish building a mine on top of that uranium tile before i culture-bomb it :D |
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| 04:05.36 | mckenziemc | welcome back blucrackedscreencow |
| 04:05.57 | bluipodcow | Oh hai |
| 04:06.06 | bluipodcow | Y ma screen cracked |
| 04:06.34 | mckenziemc | because i sat on it a long time ago you never fixed it, remember? |
| 04:07.05 | A-KO | New Miley Cyrus DVD: £15 |
| 04:07.05 | A-KO | Tub of Vaseline: £3 |
| 04:07.05 | A-KO | XL Box of Tissues: £2 |
| 04:07.05 | A-KO | The look of disgust on the cashier's face as you pay: Priceless |
| 04:07.12 | A-KO | ^^^ I'm almost tempted to do this just to see |
| 04:07.36 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:07.47 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:08.26 | bluipodcow | Oh ok |
| 04:09.46 | Adys | kd3: it was a python 3.3 change |
| 04:14.36 | Dagmar | A-ko: It'll be worth it |
| 04:15.01 | A-KO | it would be |
| 04:15.02 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:15.14 | Dagmar | All kinds of stuff can get you nasty looks |
| 04:16.54 | Dagmar | Like hey the gf's comin over for dinner and we're cooking so yer at the store buying a biiiig bottle of vegetable oil and a jumbo box of condoms |
| 04:17.25 | Dagmar | You absolutely can't buy RediWhip with that |
| 04:17.35 | Dagmar | No matter what you're having for desert |
| 04:18.41 | Corrodias | why do you need a large box of condoms for one visit? are you making balloon animals? |
| 04:18.48 | Dagmar | Cheaper |
| 04:19.30 | Dagmar | Quite a bit cheaper actually |
| 04:19.38 | Corrodias | gotcha |
| 04:24.46 | bluipodcow | *giggle* sexy times balloon animals ? Some people are weird |
| 04:24.57 | ccox | and don't wanna have to go out for refills at 3am... |
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| 04:41.28 | mckenziemc | bluipodcow: i hear Ackis is giving demonstrations |
| 04:42.58 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 04:43.11 | Kaylin | bruised apple @ ipod cow? |
| 04:47.40 | bluipodcow | Sounds painful |
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| 04:56.20 | Torhal | Helluva TLD: .cow |
| 04:56.26 | Torhal | bluspace.cow |
| 04:56.30 | Torhal | bluipodcow: ^ |
| 04:57.41 | bluipodcow | Wot |
| 04:58.01 | mckenziemc | that's one helluva.cow Torhal |
| 04:58.34 | bluipodcow | You want me to make a website now? |
| 04:58.36 | bluipodcow | Lol |
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| 05:01.52 | Thunder_Child | ...they are space goats, not cows damit |
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| 05:09.27 | bassgeisha | o/ |
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| 06:06.12 | arton | damn, never really tested StarTip in combat situations. Taint. lol |
| 06:06.31 | arton | How do you turn on the logging? |
| 06:06.33 | arton | ~taint |
| 06:06.33 | purl | ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer. |
| 06:07.30 | Jammer | arton: /console taintLog 1 |
| 06:07.37 | arton | thanks |
| 06:08.31 | bluipodcow | Just don't use taintlog 2 |
| 06:08.54 | bluipodcow | Unless you want GBs of text data to sort through |
| 06:09.15 | arton | hehe |
| 06:09.20 | bluipodcow | Last Tom I checked it logged everything happening |
| 06:09.23 | bluipodcow | Erm |
| 06:09.30 | bluipodcow | Last time rather |
| 06:09.36 | arton | nods. |
| 06:09.38 | bluipodcow | Silly autocorrect |
| 06:09.39 | Esamynn | or you could just use tainlog 3... it tells you what you did wrong and how to fix it! ;) |
| 06:09.46 | Esamynn | s/tainlog/taintlog/ |
| 06:09.51 | arton | lol |
| 06:10.05 | bluipodcow | I thought taintlog 3 was a myth |
| 06:10.38 | Esamynn | naw, it's totally epic |
| 06:10.38 | Thunder_Child | It's real, The 'Man' is just trying to keep it quiet |
| 06:10.44 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 06:19.35 | Arrowmaster | holy shit a reddit comment i made earlier today is now my top karma gaining comment |
| 06:20.04 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:20.52 | Arrowmaster | i just noticed i had a bunch of replies in my inbox and then checked it, 114 karma |
| 06:21.05 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/yt8x9/my_cousin_just_defended_her_overweight_son_after/c5ynjx2?context=1 |
| 06:21.58 | Corrodias | i don't understand why this reddit thread links... to another reddit thread |
| 06:22.20 | Corrodias | which then links to itself, which must be for convenience of copying the link, because the address bar is far away |
| 06:22.31 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 06:22.54 | bluipodcow | No karmas for me tho |
| 06:22.57 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 06:23.25 | Corrodias | what i'm saying is that i find Reddit's interface confusing |
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| 06:32.23 | bluipodcow | Oh me too |
| 06:32.48 | bluipodcow | Never can seem ton find the thing that you post a new thread with |
| 06:33.15 | bluipodcow | Always takes me a bit to figure that one out |
| 07:07.10 | ccox | interesting: http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome comments went bye-bye |
| 07:08.02 | bluipodcow | Yep |
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| 07:09.20 | Corrodias | report bug... |
| 07:09.51 | Corrodias | asks for a version number. of what, their web site? |
| 07:14.42 | Torhal | ccox: They nuked the Director's Letter as well. |
| 07:14.54 | ccox | ah |
| 07:15.02 | ccox | and did they remove all the illegal content? |
| 07:15.10 | Torhal | Only the ones they were asked to. |
| 07:15.11 | Torhal | :/ |
| 07:15.32 | Torhal | The folks who aren't aware and/or quit WoW still have their stuff hosted illegally. |
| 07:15.45 | ccox | They do understand that lawyers know about internet archives, right? |
| 07:16.02 | Torhal | I'm not sure they understand much of anything after all this, to be honest. |
| 07:16.03 | Corrodias | doesn't matter until someone actually sues |
| 07:17.20 | Corrodias | and every such addon needs a license clause against redistribution beforehand |
| 07:18.16 | Corrodias | but then, if they don't accept the license, does that mean they can't redistribute it? troubling question. |
| 07:18.51 | Torhal | All Rights Reserved includes the right to distribute, so such a clause is redundant. |
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| 07:19.39 | Corrodias | i suppose there's clearly precedent in cases involving other forms of media like movies, so that's covered |
| 07:19.50 | Corrodias | have you explicitly given users the right to run the addon? |
| 07:20.03 | Torhal | That falls under Fair Use. |
| 07:21.02 | Corrodias | that is unintuitive to me |
| 07:21.18 | Corrodias | i don't think the US grants the right to run software just because you're able to acquire it |
| 07:21.29 | bluipodcow | But shouldn't be to those that matter |
| 07:21.32 | Torhal | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use |
| 07:22.00 | Corrodias | i don't see "playing WoW better" among the examples |
| 07:22.32 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure the right of use is implied by the fact that I made my shit available for download :P |
| 07:23.04 | bluipodcow | On an addon site dedicated for such a purpose. |
| 07:23.16 | Torhal | If not, then WoWI and Curse are honeypots for the AddOn Author Rights League to sue everyone. |
| 07:23.17 | Corrodias | such implicit permission is probably good enough |
| 07:23.26 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 07:24.23 | Corrodias | though i wonder why it's good enough to imply people are allowed to RUN it but not to redistribute it. |
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| 07:24.41 | Torhal | Laws don't always make sense. |
| 07:24.55 | arton | That doesn't make sense. |
| 07:24.57 | Corrodias | no, and i wouldn't be so ready to rely on the law and a judge's interpretation if it came down to it. |
| 07:25.10 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.13 | arton | Justice has no senses to speak of. |
| 07:25.27 | arton | :/ |
| 07:25.37 | Torhal | All Rights Reserved is covered by the Berne Convention. |
| 07:25.38 | Corrodias | "all rights reserved, except for some unspecified ones" |
| 07:25.42 | Torhal | It's Internationally recognized. |
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| 07:25.57 | arton | I'm entirely upset right now because Beta keeps freezing my puter. |
| 07:26.03 | arton | :( |
| 07:26.09 | Corrodias | although unlike a trademark, you don't stand to lose a copyright because of your refusal to enforce it |
| 07:26.16 | Torhal | Yar. |
| 07:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | what are the spell highlights called? |
| 07:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 07:26.26 | bluipodcow | Oh dear arton |
| 07:26.30 | Mr_Rabies | thesehttp://i.imgur.com/ryVkq.jpg |
| 07:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 07:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/ryVkq.jpg |
| 07:26.47 | Mr_Rabies | and is there anyway to disable that functionality? some dude on reddit's asking |
| 07:27.38 | Corrodias | oh, i like how it cuts off part of the number. nice. |
| 07:28.15 | Torhal | arton: Is Beta freezing your computer or is t an AddOn causing an infinite loop which is freezing the WoW client? |
| 07:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | try logging into a different character, as well |
| 07:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | cross realm zones were pretty crash prone for a while, it could be that |
| 07:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | they may have accidentally a bug |
| 07:29.29 | Torhal | I see what you did there. |
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| 07:29.52 | bluipodcow | Crashed! |
| 07:30.40 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 07:30.48 | arton_ | ipod? |
| 07:30.52 | arton_ | foul |
| 07:31.27 | Fisker | he always lie about how he has an ipod arton_ |
| 07:31.31 | Fisker | pretty sad |
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| 07:34.11 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 07:34.20 | bluipodcow | Why u haet? |
| 07:34.29 | bluipodcow | I gots it for free |
| 07:35.17 | Kaylin | idk if you can use that username blump3playercow |
| 07:37.30 | Mr_Rabies | i read "blump" and thought of something else entirely |
| 07:37.38 | Mr_Rabies | i should get to bed before i get myself in trouble |
| 07:37.50 | Kaylin | >_< |
| 07:39.18 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 07:40.20 | bluipodcow | So you read it as blump 3 player cow ? |
| 07:40.25 | bluipodcow | Kinky |
| 07:40.57 | Kaylin | blu mp3player cow omg I am going to take a shower and go to bed. |
| 07:41.57 | bluipodcow | Apparently too kinky for kaylin :P |
| 07:49.24 | Fisker | hey blufairplaydrmplayercow |
| 07:50.34 | bluipodcow | Hey |
| 07:50.46 | Shirik | waves at bluipodcow |
| 07:50.55 | Shirik | apparently 2 days ago you pinged me |
| 07:51.10 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:51.14 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:51.18 | Fisker | why? |
| 07:51.21 | bluipodcow | I forgets nows |
| 07:51.30 | bluipodcow | Hai2u |
| 07:51.55 | Torhal | bans Fisker from the Hey Club. |
| 07:52.05 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 07:52.49 | bluipodcow | It's datirday |
| 07:53.37 | bluipodcow | Saturday |
| 07:56.01 | Fisker | sunday |
| 07:57.42 | bluipodcow | Vague Australian pop culture reference |
| 07:59.19 | Fisker | wanna be punched in the face? |
| 08:05.08 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.03 | Shirik | sleep time |
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| 10:16.07 | Ackis | one of my cats stole a piece of my CPAP machine and now I can't find it :( |
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| 10:17.33 | arton_ | evil |
| 10:20.30 | bluipodcow | Cpap or crap machine ? |
| 10:29.33 | mikma | in php: how can i sort array with two last digits? |
| 10:41.05 | xyphoid | usort with a callback that splits off the part you want to sort |
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| 11:09.11 | arton | I love WoW. |
| 11:09.19 | randomDude | good for you |
| 11:09.21 | arton | As much as I hate it. |
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| 11:12.03 | Bobui | mornin everyone |
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| 11:19.56 | arton | No love for LibFail? :( |
| 11:20.07 | arton | Hasn't been updated in Cata |
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| 11:20.32 | Yoshimo | i think it has been in the commitlog lately as being updated |
| 11:26.53 | cbreak | arton: so on average, you don't care about WoW |
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| 11:56.28 | arton | cbreak: Nah I care about WoW. I'm just leary is all. I don't want to burn myself out again. |
| 11:57.24 | arton | Yoshimo: That's possible. I only looked at the LibFail's wowace profile. |
| 12:00.56 | nevcairiel | there is also several versions of LibFail. LibFail-1.0 is/was for WotlK, LibFail-2.0 was for Cata, and there is a new LibFail-MoP which is .. well.. for MoP |
| 12:15.27 | arton | nevcairiel: Oh very cool. Thanks. |
| 12:45.45 | arton | Is this so called "Agent" (Agen.exe) going to be part of this coming up patch? |
| 12:45.59 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 12:46.07 | arton | k |
| 12:55.13 | Maldivia | just like it already is for SC2 and D3 |
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| 12:57.00 | nevcairiel | i still think the new launcher is much better then the old POS |
| 12:57.30 | nevcairiel | the current live launcher still insists on asking for UAC elevation every time i launch it, and it launches itself twice |
| 12:57.31 | Stanzilla | just the fact that it doesnt let you launch 2 games at once |
| 12:57.33 | Stanzilla | is a bit weird |
| 12:57.58 | nevcairiel | funny thing about that, when i was updating d3 last week, i launched the mop launcher at the same time and it worked |
| 12:58.11 | Stanzilla | hacker |
| 12:58.11 | nevcairiel | when i tried it again later, when nothing was patching, it didnt work |
| 12:58.15 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: the UAC elevation is easy to fix |
| 12:58.40 | nevcairiel | if you tell me to move it out of program files, i'll hurt you |
| 12:59.07 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: start regedit, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Blizzard Entertainment, right click is, and select permissions, and check "full control" for users |
| 12:59.09 | nevcairiel | I think it may be related to having uac at maximum level |
| 13:00.19 | Xinhuan | why would u want it in program files |
| 13:00.26 | nevcairiel | that indeed fixed it, it also doesnt double-launch anymore |
| 13:00.40 | nevcairiel | i dont have it there, but its the common answer to uac problems :P |
| 13:00.50 | nevcairiel | i still like the new launcher more /me shrugs |
| 13:01.17 | Xinhuan | wow luancher (the log files) even reports that it "fixed" incorrect wow install paths in the registry when i moved it lol |
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| 14:52.20 | TMc51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQuUVUyqOXY I'll just leave this here |
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| 15:40.48 | Kraps | haha people are dumb http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/new/ |
| 15:46.50 | Xinhuan | you can downvote ;) |
| 15:49.08 | Kraps | hivemide > logic http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yusml/the_mlg_stream_red_just_died_on_twitchtv_and_is/c5yzuek |
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| 16:13.25 | bluspacecow | what's it called when a download program splits a file up into multiple pieces and downloads each one in parallel ? |
| 16:14.02 | Kaylin | bit torrent :P |
| 16:15.44 | sidji | 'multipart download' |
| 16:16.31 | bluspacecow | i went with download faster :P |
| 16:17.12 | bluspacecow | no kaylin this is different then bit torrent - the protocol's a lot more complicated then that :P |
| 16:17.47 | Kaylin | ah okay |
| 16:18.07 | bluspacecow | this for http downloads via a download manager eg GetRight etc etc |
| 16:18.19 | Iriel | bluspacecow: Does it have a "proper name" ? I've heard it referred to as chunking and sharding |
| 16:18.44 | bluspacecow | bit torrent is more concerned with managing bandwidth in a specific way that works better when people have a complete copy of the file in question |
| 16:19.03 | bluspacecow | I'm having those I'm searching for a word in a post but can't find it… writers block ? |
| 16:19.12 | Iriel | I also think you're concentrating on the wrong part of bittorrent about its complexity, but that's beside the point 8-) |
| 16:19.21 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 16:19.30 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.33 | bluspacecow | my excuse. |
| 16:22.56 | Kraps | i like that the players at MLG are in their own soundproof booths |
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| 16:36.20 | Kaylin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVwJrAr7GkY prob nsfw, car ad. |
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| 16:37.05 | nevcairiel | that was weird |
| 16:37.26 | mckenziemc | thanks |
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| 16:42.30 | g0urra | Kaylin: dafuq |
| 16:43.05 | g0urra | I just realized it's actually a dude |
| 16:43.44 | Kaylin | oh? I think that's up to them tbh, but yea certainly blends gender lines. |
| 16:44.28 | TMc51 | http://jalopnik.com/5937008/new-japanese-toyota-ad-stars-topless-transgendered-person |
| 16:46.50 | g0urra | 500,000? more like 4 million combined for both videos (commercial and the making of it) |
| 16:48.09 | TMc51 | Well, the article WAS posted almost a week ago. |
| 16:48.51 | Semlar | damn that guy is skinny |
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| 17:13.26 | g0urra | TMc51: august 23 is almost a week ago? |
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| 17:14.54 | bluspacecow | 4 days ago |
| 17:14.56 | bluspacecow | close enough. |
| 17:15.08 | foxlit | What's the simplest way to map 1, ..., 100 to 1, 100, 50, 25, 75, 12, 37, 62, 87, ...? |
| 17:15.19 | bluspacecow | "almost a week ago" actual week 7 days. work week 5 days. :P |
| 17:17.19 | Esamynn | foxlit: ?? |
| 17:18.42 | End_ | are some of those numbers rounded? |
| 17:19.03 | foxlit | floored; it's basically binary subdivisions, but 12.5 is nasty |
| 17:19.25 | foxlit | Esamynn: think interlacing. Suppose I wanted to (eventually) process all the integers from 1 to N, but I wanted to do so in such an order so that the maximum distance between any remaining integer and the closest already processed integer is minimized at all times. |
| 17:19.28 | End_ | ok yeah that makes more sense |
| 17:21.42 | Iriel | foxlit: (a) can't you just do it as a recursive (or pseudo recursive) binary subdivision and (b) what's the problem with 12.5 ? |
| 17:22.30 | foxlit | Iriel: only want to process 12 and 13, don't want to process 12.5. |
| 17:23.58 | Iriel | Use 2 arrays |
| 17:24.01 | Iriel | alternating |
| 17:24.05 | Iriel | start the first one with [1, 100] |
| 17:24.16 | Iriel | Now, repeatedly loop over the array |
| 17:24.32 | Iriel | expanding with subdivisions |
| 17:24.35 | Iriel | [1, 50, 100] |
| 17:24.43 | Iriel | then [1, 25, 50, 75, 100] |
| 17:24.47 | Iriel | Process those you didn't just copy |
| 17:24.54 | Iriel | Repeat until done |
| 17:25.36 | Iriel | If you're trying to do this without storing any state then you need to say that up front |
| 17:26.17 | Iriel | TBH you'd make your life much easier if you could simply accept a powers-of-2 walk and skip those you dont need |
| 17:26.57 | Iriel | 0, 64, 32, 96, 16, 48, etc |
| 17:27.17 | Semlar | i was told there would be no math |
| 17:27.22 | Iriel | Semlar: they lied |
| 17:27.27 | kd3 | ^ |
| 17:27.29 | Iriel | There is ALWAYS match |
| 17:27.31 | Iriel | math, even |
| 17:27.35 | Semlar | odd |
| 17:27.45 | Esamynn | Semlar: who told you there would be no math? |
| 17:28.03 | Semlar | come to think of it i may have just assumed |
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| 17:28.28 | bluspacecow | maybe they meant so very little math to not even need mentioning |
| 17:28.42 | foxlit | Mm, I don't mind storing state, but copying arrays seems weird. |
| 17:28.52 | kd3 | lso, wtb auto-crop selection in opie |
| 17:29.03 | foxlit | autowho? |
| 17:29.06 | kd3 | s/lso/also/ |
| 17:29.06 | Iriel | foxlit: you're not really copying them, you're just using them to remember |
| 17:29.22 | Semlar | pandaria is called HawaiiMainLand in the dbc files |
| 17:29.28 | Iriel | The array simply stores the bounds for the next pass |
| 17:29.49 | kd3 | click on a tilled soil spot, a ring pops up with the seeds in my bags I can use to plant there without me having to go digging through my bags for them |
| 17:30.04 | Esamynn | Semlar: oh really? |
| 17:30.13 | Iriel | You actually dont even need 2 arrays, you can use the same one in alternating directions |
| 17:30.33 | Semlar | yes, and it completely threw me off because i couldn't figure out the path to the minimap textures |
| 17:31.02 | Esamynn | ahh, you mean the minimap textures |
| 17:32.18 | Semlar | well, it just appears to be the internal name for the entire continent |
| 17:32.51 | Semlar | then the areas inside of it appear to be split into 'scenarios' |
| 17:33.08 | Esamynn | there are a bunch of scenario world maps |
| 17:33.59 | Semlar | now my map can stop looking like this http://i.imgur.com/i8NpG.jpg |
| 17:34.13 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Scenario |
| 17:34.15 | foxlit | Iriel: I don't follow the latter. I imagine that limiting you to N slots of storage would force you to move array elemets. |
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| 17:35.18 | Iriel | You work backwards on alternate passes |
| 17:35.24 | Iriel | so you start with 1, 100 at the start |
| 17:35.33 | Iriel | then you work backwards and fill in the new entries from the end |
| 17:36.17 | Iriel | You should never collide, except for the very last entry on the very last pass, and you shouldn't even have a problem then because you read it before you write it |
| 17:36.42 | foxlit | so the second iteration would be 1, 100, ........., 1, 50, 100? |
| 17:37.02 | Iriel | If the first is [1, 100] from the start |
| 17:37.16 | Iriel | Yes |
| 17:37.27 | foxlit | and the next 1, 25, 50, 75, 100, ............, 1, 50, 100? |
| 17:37.32 | Iriel | Yes |
| 17:37.53 | Iriel | Do it with an array of size 10 |
| 17:37.59 | Iriel | 1 10 - - - - - - - - |
| 17:38.21 | Iriel | 1 10 - - - - - 1 5 10 |
| 17:38.25 | Iriel | etc |
| 17:38.26 | foxlit | nah, that's okay. It's just the "backwards" from the end that was a bit complicated |
| 17:38.27 | Iriel | (on paper) |
| 17:39.18 | foxlit | (you always start at closest to the middle of the array, and move outwards, which saves you from overwriting stuff you've yet to read) |
| 17:39.34 | Iriel | I think that was what I was going for |
| 17:39.38 | Iriel | I'm fairly sure it works 8-) |
| 17:39.42 | foxlit | yep. |
| 17:40.01 | Xinhuan | what's the purpose of all this? |
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| 17:40.12 | Iriel | I have no idea, i'm just trying to solve a problem 8-) |
| 17:40.45 | foxlit | It's a cool trick, but I'm not overly concerned about array storage. It's in Lua, so I was more concerned about a readable way to encode that sequence than any sort of performance concerns :) |
| 17:41.16 | Iriel | You could do it recursively |
| 17:41.21 | Iriel | with a depth limit |
| 17:41.25 | Iriel | then you dont have to store anything |
| 17:41.30 | Iriel | but end up possibly using a lot of space |
| 17:41.40 | Iriel | or you could use a linked list and insert nodes each pass |
| 17:41.55 | Iriel | it totally depends on what you're optimizing for |
| 17:42.42 | Iriel | hell you could just use a floating point accumulator and rounding |
| 17:42.48 | Iriel | just remember to floor it at 1.0 |
| 17:44.02 | Iriel | (I would expect that for all but the craziest values you can get away without storing the points you've visited) |
| 17:44.10 | Iriel | goes to try that |
| 17:44.38 | Xinhuan | recursion can always be converted into a for-loop by adding a custom LIFO stack :P |
| 17:45.06 | kd3 | hm, c'mon 14:00 advisory. tell us isaac's coming our way, we need the rain |
| 17:45.09 | foxlit | I've got this very complicated bit of code this'll be replacing: |
| 17:45.12 | Iriel | See my use of the phrase "pseudo-recursion" earlier |
| 17:45.13 | foxlit | for i=0, 100 do: |
| 17:45.18 | foxlit | ... end |
| 17:45.23 | kd3 | keeps F5ing the NHC's site |
| 17:46.03 | Shirik | kd3? |
| 17:46.08 | Shirik | Hurricanes don't move all that fast |
| 17:46.27 | foxlit | (that doesn't iterate in the desired order, but that's a stick to measure complexity of any solutions against) |
| 17:46.29 | kd3 | oh I'm aware |
| 17:47.07 | Xinhuan | how about sorting the thing you're iterating over so that 1..100 is the desired order? :P |
| 17:47.33 | foxlit | Xinhuan: it's not a thing. |
| 17:48.05 | Vladinator1 | if something is nothing it's still a thing of nothingless |
| 17:48.19 | foxlit | It's more like "perform this 30 second operation with this parameter value and write the result to disc" :) |
| 17:48.33 | Vladinator1 | tbh no clue what we are talking about atm :D array iteration with 100 keys? |
| 17:52.09 | kd3 | and there's the 2pm advisory. I like the executive summary: "...Isaac has not strengthened..." |
| 17:55.27 | Iriel | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/64uqsutX |
| 17:55.28 | Iriel | There |
| 18:00.33 | foxlit | Iriel: I came up with http://pastebin.com/Z7bSJCG0 |
| 18:01.03 | Iriel | foxlit: mine doesn't use a table |
| 18:01.11 | foxlit | Yes :) |
| 18:02.37 | Iriel | the table one is MUCH cleaner though |
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| 18:03.12 | Iriel | I think your choice of integer steps will make yours messier |
| 18:04.30 | foxlit | hm? |
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| 18:09.04 | Iriel | foxlit: Mine (1-50) 1 50 25 13 37 7 19 31 43 4 10 16 22 28 34 40 46 2 5 8 11 14 17 20 23 27 30 33 36 39 42 45 48 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 26 29 32 35 38 41 44 47 49 |
| 18:09.21 | Iriel | foxlit: Yours (1-50) 1 50 26 14 27 40 8 15 22 29 36 43 5 9 13 17 21 25 33 37 41 45 49 3 7 11 19 23 31 35 39 47 2 4 6 10 12 16 18 20 24 28 30 32 34 38 42 44 46 48 |
| 18:09.29 | Iriel | Yours does 27 WAY too early |
| 18:13.05 | foxlit | mm, so should round i rather than ceil'ing S while it's above 1. |
| 18:14.45 | foxlit | 0 50 25 :: 13 38 :: 6 19 31 44 :: 3 9 16 22 28 34 41 47 :: 2 5 8 11 14 17 20 23 27 30 33 36 39 42 45 48 :: 1 4 7 10 12 15 18 21 24 26 29 32 35 37 40 43 46 49 << looks okayish? |
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| 18:15.42 | Iriel | You should do your ceil within the loop |
| 18:15.46 | Iriel | not on the iterator |
| 18:16.16 | Iriel | though ultimately it works both ways |
| 18:16.28 | Iriel | it's just not going to be "optimal" against your stated goal |
| 18:21.07 | foxlit | "Iriel: not on the iterator" << I think that's equivalent to rounding i. |
| 18:21.17 | foxlit | Looks okay to me; maximum distance goes 12 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 1 |
| 18:21.21 | Iriel | Rounding i ON USE |
| 18:21.34 | Iriel | Oh, I see |
| 18:21.35 | Iriel | yes |
| 18:21.52 | Iriel | I read "should round i rather than" as a typo of "round it" |
| 18:21.53 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:22.19 | Iriel | I wasn't even aware i'd done it! |
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| 18:30.28 | dracula | how would you delete a bunch of items from a lua table ? |
| 18:30.47 | Iriel | dracula: set them all to nil |
| 18:31.00 | dracula | oh wait, I should call it an array, in my case |
| 18:31.10 | Iriel | Are they in the middle or at the end? |
| 18:31.26 | dracula | can't tell |
| 18:31.34 | g0urra | heh.. @worldofaddons haven't tweeted for 11 days now |
| 18:31.38 | dracula | I'm in a loop, deciding which items to throw away |
| 18:31.39 | Ressy | big shock |
| 18:31.50 | Iriel | Are you looping from front to back? |
| 18:31.54 | dracula | yes |
| 18:32.09 | Iriel | then keep an extra index of the last entry you've kept |
| 18:32.36 | Iriel | for each thing you're going to "keep", move it to that index, and increment thtta index |
| 18:32.42 | Iriel | at the end of the loop, nil out whatever's left |
| 18:33.03 | dracula | I'm using table.remove |
| 18:33.17 | Iriel | That's fine too, as long as you're not removing very many entries |
| 18:33.21 | foxlit | that's nasty in combination with a loop |
| 18:33.28 | Iriel | If you really care you should benchmark both approaches |
| 18:33.41 | dracula | yes, that's why I first build a 'removelist' with just the indexes I should remove |
| 18:33.53 | Iriel | You're actually making life worse that way, I think |
| 18:33.53 | dracula | and then loop over that removelist to actually delete them |
| 18:34.00 | foxlit | backwards, hopefully! |
| 18:34.00 | dracula | hahaha I found that |
| 18:34.12 | dracula | because I end up deleting indexes that no longer exist |
| 18:34.14 | Iriel | Doing your scan backwards avoids the need for removelist, as foxlit just mentioned |
| 18:34.22 | Iriel | but you still have to do a lot of work |
| 18:34.25 | dracula | yes, good point |
| 18:34.31 | Iriel | the worst case is something like deleeting the first 10 entries from an array of 100 |
| 18:34.43 | Iriel | you end up having to move 900-ish elements |
| 18:34.54 | Iriel | whereas if you do my approach you only move 99 |
| 18:35.14 | Iriel | (Actually you move 90, nil 10) |
| 18:36.35 | foxlit | local t, nextFree = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10}, 1 for i=1,#t do t[nextFree] = t[i] if not shouldBeRemoved(t[i]) then nextFree = nextFree + 1 end end for i=nextFree, #t do t[i] = nil end |
| 18:37.29 | Jamash | make a new table with just the elements you want and throw away the old one |
| 18:38.14 | dracula | isn't that inefficient, memory-wise ? |
| 18:38.22 | Jamash | how big are the table elements? |
| 18:38.29 | Jamash | and are they strings, nums or tables? |
| 18:38.46 | Jamash | and how often do you do this removal process? |
| 18:38.52 | dracula | each item is a table with 10 strings/nums |
| 18:39.05 | Jamash | so it's a table full of references |
| 18:40.00 | Jamash | how big is the table? |
| 18:40.13 | dracula | ~500 items |
| 18:40.40 | Jamash | > and how often do you do this removal process? |
| 18:40.59 | dracula | whenever anyone leaves the guild :p |
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| 18:41.22 | Jamash | forget memory and cpu, go with what's easiest and most straightforward to write |
| 18:41.30 | Jamash | it's not happening often enough to care |
| 18:41.48 | dracula | then I think I have it working now |
| 18:42.47 | Jamash | you should only worry about memory efficiency for things that 1. stay around a long time or get updated very frequently *and* 2. have enough elements / large enough elements to be significant |
| 18:43.23 | Jamash | and even then you should benchmark the simple+dumb approach to find out if it's a problem before trying to optimize it |
| 18:43.47 | dracula | still, in this case I was curious for a proper way to handle the case |
| 18:44.12 | dracula | lua makes me love C# even more :p |
| 18:44.19 | Ressy | lol.. |
| 18:45.49 | Jamash | Lua makes me miss perl |
| 18:46.08 | Jamash | ofc I understand why you'd be insane to embed perl in a game |
| 18:46.40 | Jamash | but a lot of game engines use python, which is pretty similar to perl in many ways |
| 18:46.48 | Jamash | kinda wish blizz had gone with python |
| 18:46.48 | dracula | perl was that language where you could roll over your keyboard, and the gibberish actually compiled fine |
| 18:47.03 | Jamash | a considerable exaggeration :D |
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| 18:53.26 | Jamash | a favorite perl one-liner: |
| 18:53.28 | Jamash | $_=q($_=q(X);s/X/$_/;print);s/X/$_/;print |
| 18:54.08 | dracula | haha, awesome |
| 18:55.01 | dracula | the thing I dislike about perl is that it takes so much effort to figure out what it does |
| 18:55.05 | Jamash | that's on the Quine Page, but I independently reproduced it character for character once |
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| 18:55.17 | Jamash | except I think for the choice of X |
| 18:55.39 | Jamash | the other guy use {} instead of () and Q instead of X |
| 18:56.20 | Jamash | yeah perl has a lot of syntax to learn, especially with regexes |
| 18:56.48 | dracula | Iriel: foxlit: thanks for the 'LastUsedIndex' trick... works great :) |
| 18:57.31 | Jamash | I had a lot of hope for perl 6 until I saw http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/ |
| 18:57.45 | Jamash | at which point I concluded that larry has lost his ever lovin' mind |
| 18:57.47 | dracula | btw... is this the Iriel from the sacred DevTools, that work flawlessly even after 3 years without update |
| 18:57.57 | Jamash | yup, that is he |
| 18:58.14 | Iriel | dracula: I will note I gave DevTools to Blizzard so I haven't needed to update it in a while 8-) |
| 18:58.36 | dracula | ah, they'll be careful not to break it |
| 18:58.59 | dracula | ofc it doesn't touch the blizzard API at all |
| 18:59.40 | Iriel | some bits do |
| 18:59.59 | dracula | so that's how they added their own 'eventtrace' and 'dump' commands? |
| 19:00.14 | Jamash | yup |
| 19:01.02 | Jamash | once you've extracted the UI, look in BlizzardInterfaceCode\Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools |
| 19:01.06 | dracula | oh, while I'm typing this, I get an error clicking on a COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED event :p |
| 19:01.12 | Jamash | live or beta? |
| 19:01.19 | dracula | live |
| 19:06.04 | Jamash | do you have the devtools addon installed or using the built-in? |
| 19:06.28 | dracula | DevTools\DevToolsEventTraceFormats.lua:80: bad argument #1 to "band" (number expected, got string) |
| 19:07.03 | Jamash | the built-in version isn't giving me an error |
| 19:07.16 | Jamash | so probably just bitrot |
| 19:07.18 | dracula | I must admit I've mostly switched to the built-in tools |
| 19:07.50 | Jamash | I keep meaning to write a comprehensive event debugging addon |
| 19:07.52 | Jamash | but I'm so lazy |
| 19:08.04 | Jamash | one with triggers and multiple logs |
| 19:08.18 | Jamash | custom filters, etc. |
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| 19:19.20 | Shirik | finally finished mass effect 2 |
| 19:19.55 | Shirik | 2.5 years after it comes out |
| 19:22.24 | Jamash | slowpoke.gif? |
| 19:24.02 | Shirik | yes :( |
| 19:25.33 | TMc51 | So, ME3 in another 5 years, then? :P |
| 19:27.11 | Shirik | something like that |
| 19:27.20 | Shirik | though I have been told i'll be disappointed with ME3 |
| 19:27.44 | TMc51 | only the ending. until then, it's the best of the 3. |
| 19:28.02 | TMc51 | and then you'll want to put your fist through the monitor. |
| 19:29.36 | neutronimity | I judge players harshly on their name. |
| 19:29.38 | durcyn | ME2 and 3 are still tainted by the fratboy console shooter ammo system retcon horeshit |
| 19:29.55 | TMc51 | so true |
| 19:30.39 | TMc51 | at least iwth ME2 there was a few changes you could do to one of the INI files to get the ammo recharge from ME1 back. |
| 19:31.12 | TMc51 | but still no overheating, which was pretty cool |
| 19:40.18 | Thunder_Child | there was nothing wrong with the ending of 3 |
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| 19:49.43 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: aside from..everything? |
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| 20:03.47 | Shirik | just got 3 earthquake alerts in socal o.O |
| 20:04.05 | Shirik | I have no idea where Brawley is |
| 20:04.07 | mckenziemc | just got 0. |
| 20:04.46 | Shirik | ah kinda out in the middle of nowhere |
| 20:13.48 | pompy | 5.3 in brawley, cali |
| 20:15.47 | pompy | Shirik: there were like 11 earthquakes in brawley within an hour..small or not, damn. |
| 20:15.58 | Shirik | I only get alerted on 5.0+ |
| 20:16.00 | Shirik | but still I got 3 alerts |
| 20:16.54 | pompy | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php |
| 20:17.00 | pompy | southern cali spam! |
| 20:17.15 | pompy | yeah bc of the 5.3 ;) |
| 20:18.29 | Shirik | actually I got alerted on a 2.6, lol |
| 20:18.43 | Shirik | I get the automated alerts, before someone reviews it, so sometimes it's a little off |
| 20:18.57 | Shirik | clicked on the linked event page and apparently it was changed to a 2.6 |
| 20:19.18 | Shirik | the 4.9 was also originally a 5.3 |
| 20:20.42 | pompy | hope there isnt gunna be a big one after all those little ones >< |
| 20:21.44 | Shirik | doesn't it usually work the other way around? |
| 20:22.05 | Shirik | or it could be the end of the world |
| 20:22.08 | neutronimity | Steam is the worst gaming platform in my eyes. 1) Every first time after a laptop boot up, Steam fails to launch due a network issue, and I have to re-start Steam. 2) It *never* starts in a maximized window. |
| 20:22.11 | Shirik | we're running out of time for the world to explode 2012 |
| 20:22.39 | pompy | 43 earthquakes recorded in southern cali in the last 5.5 hrs . |
| 20:23.31 | Shirik | is that unusual? |
| 20:55.30 | Jamash | neutronimity: qq? |
| 20:55.50 | Jamash | it's california |
| 20:55.52 | Jamash | so, no |
| 20:56.02 | neutronimity | DO NOT DARE TRIFLE WITH ME |
| 20:57.31 | Jamash | trifles |
| 21:00.12 | Semlar | truffles |
| 21:00.29 | TMc51 | does the truffle shuffle. |
| 21:00.30 | Jamash | california is basically made of fault lines with occasional patches of bedrock |
| 21:01.04 | Semlar | and hippies |
| 21:01.09 | Jamash | near the coast, anyway |
| 21:01.12 | mckenziemc | Jamash is basically made of water. |
| 21:01.21 | Jamash | it's a little less unstable farther inland |
| 21:01.36 | ccox | no, the farther you go inland, the less stable they get |
| 21:02.37 | mckenziemc | if you say so |
| 21:05.51 | Jamash | the faults or the hippies? |
| 21:07.30 | Ressy | whoa... Thats a lot of earthquakes around a single town |
| 21:11.12 | Ressy | geez.. Its like a constant earthquake there. |
| 21:11.19 | Ressy | 3.57km ENE of Brawley, California2012-08-26 21:05:1033.001°N115.457°W5.1 |
| 21:11.20 | Ressy | 3.22km N of Brawley, California2012-08-26 21:06:1133.005°N115.534°W9.2 |
| 21:11.20 | Ressy | 3.14km WSW of Brawley, California2012-08-26 21:06:3732.966°N115.577°W13.7 |
| 21:11.28 | A-KO | yep |
| 21:11.49 | A-KO | I swear, it's raining so hard where I'm at you would think it was a tropical storm |
| 21:11.50 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:11.54 | A-KO | I"m out :P |
| 21:11.57 | A-KO | off to get food! |
| 21:13.53 | Jamash | should probably put MoP ToC number 50001 in the channel topic |
| 21:14.00 | pompy | ~toc |
| 21:14.01 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 40300. MoP is 50001, or magical |
| 21:14.06 | pompy | thats all you gotta do ;) |
| 21:14.22 | Jamash | 4.3.x ToC is in the topic, which is only good for the next two days |
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| 21:30.00 | mckenziemc | ~pompy |
| 21:30.35 | Ressy | Wow.. Brawley's earthquakes are insane. |
| 21:30.48 | Ressy | 67 in under 6 hrs |
| 21:31.01 | Shirik | 2012 |
| 21:31.19 | Ressy | 68 |
| 21:31.32 | mckenziemc | purl, pompy is magical too |
| 21:31.32 | purl | okay, mckenziemc |
| 21:31.35 | Shirik | in b4 volcano |
| 21:32.06 | Shirik | it's ok though to deal with a volcano all you have to do is get some of those cement barriers and dump a bunch of water from helicopters |
| 21:32.16 | Shirik | and firemen |
| 21:32.27 | Shirik | except if you have a subway system |
| 21:32.30 | Ressy | lmao |
| 21:32.31 | mckenziemc | dump firemen into the volcano? o.o |
| 21:32.33 | Shirik | but there's no subway in Brawley |
| 21:32.43 | TMc51 | and stay away from the tar tips once they catch fire. |
| 21:32.48 | TMc51 | *pits |
| 21:33.08 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano_(1997_film) |
| 21:33.11 | Shirik | awful, awful movie |
| 21:34.52 | TMc51 | You know a movie is horribad when even Tommy Lee Jones can't save it from sucking. |
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| 21:38.50 | pompy | a 5.5 quake in brawley 50 mins ago |
| 21:38.52 | pompy | >< |
| 21:39.38 | Ressy | so many quakes, the computer systems can't keep up. o.O |
| 21:40.13 | pompy | yaeh, theyve had to adjust a few mags after initial reporting lol |
| 21:44.22 | mikma | shirik: dump bunch of firemen from chopper? |
| 21:45.23 | mikma | shirik: also, Dante's Peak, much better movie |
| 21:47.10 | TMc51 | Volcanoe: Fire on the Mountain was probably the worse of all of those crappy 90s natural disaster type movies |
| 21:51.17 | pompy | Armageddon was good though! |
| 21:52.06 | TMc51 | Was it actually good, or was it just the Aerosmith song that made it awesome? |
| 21:54.35 | durcyn | steven tyler does not make anything awesome, except his offspring |
| 21:54.59 | TMc51 | those fightin' words son |
| 21:55.36 | Iriel | Armageddon was good for all of the wrong reasons (i.e. well assembled slick hollywood production that knows how to play with your mind). |
| 22:04.10 | Shirik | I am consistently amazed at iphone's autocorrect powers |
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| 22:09.37 | Kaylin | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500548-37/13-inch-retina-macbook-pro-displays-in-production/ |
| 22:09.45 | Kaylin | was reading that article and was just like *facepalm* |
| 22:10.07 | Neffi | What's wrong with that? |
| 22:10.16 | Kaylin | NPD DisplaySearch analyst Richard Shim told CNET. "The supply chain indications are that it's for a MacBook Pro 13.3 -- not a MacBook Air," said Shim. Displays are being made by Samsung, LGD, and Sharp, he said. |
| 22:10.24 | Neffi | About time somebody pushes the industry to reasonable pixel densities. |
| 22:10.27 | Kaylin | I just thought it was silly who they have making them |
| 22:10.44 | Neffi | Samsung makes amazing panels. So does LG. |
| 22:10.49 | Neffi | Not sure about Sharp |
| 22:11.32 | Kaylin | no I mean that they just had this whole patent issue and still are having them make things. |
| 22:11.56 | Neffi | Trade can't afford to stop at times of war |
| 22:12.20 | Neffi | What was really terrible is that essential patents (Samsung's) are suddenly invalid, but rectangular icons waarant a $1 billion reward |
| 22:12.54 | Neffi | Why anyone decided that "standards bodies" are allowed to make a distinction in which patents are valid and which are not is just silly |
| 22:12.57 | kd3 | considering some of the things the foreman said, I expect the result's going to get tossed before they can either appeal |
| 22:13.00 | Neffi | I think it's obvious patents need to go away |
| 22:13.08 | kd3 | s/they can either/either of them can/ |
| 22:14.21 | Neffi | hopes Lenovo will embrace high-pixel panels soon. 1366x768 is just unreasonable. |
| 22:15.12 | randomDude | touchwiz is crap anyway... and therefore so is iphone ui |
| 22:15.30 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:15.56 | Neffi | Yeah Samsung does lack that attention to detail that even HTC has. But you can't argue with dat hardware. |
| 22:16.05 | randomDude | yes i can |
| 22:16.37 | Neffi | >_> |
| 22:17.03 | randomDude | it's my choice if i want to |
| 22:23.37 | ccox | patents are still necessary (assuming your ever want to profit from your own work), but we've got to stop approving stupid patents and making it difficult for the stupid ones to be invalidated. |
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| 22:50.42 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: invalid capture index |
| 22:57.38 | Vladinator1 | can mac be completely unique nowadays? |
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| 23:02.47 | Neffi | purl, why is it so quiet in here? |
| 23:02.47 | purl | why not? |
| 23:02.58 | End_ | purl, hi |
| 23:02.58 | purl | hello, end_ |
| 23:03.09 | Neffi | purl, i <3 u |
| 23:03.09 | purl | You <3? |
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| 23:03.18 | Neffi | purl <3 is love |
| 23:03.18 | purl | ...but <3 is already something else... |
| 23:03.25 | Neffi | purl, no, <3 is love |
| 23:03.25 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 23:04.14 | Kraps | purl, <3 |
| 23:04.14 | purl | methinks <3 is love |
| 23:04.30 | Kraps | purl, Neffi |
| 23:04.36 | Neffi | Anyone got recommendations for a *USB* headset? |
| 23:04.40 | Neffi | purl, Neffi is awesome |
| 23:04.40 | purl | okay, Neffi |
| 23:05.02 | Ackis | ~Neffi |
| 23:05.02 | purl | somebody said neffi was awesome |
| 23:05.05 | Dagmar | Neffi: The one I use is made by Logitech for laptops. Not sure if anyone carries it anymore because it's an old model |
| 23:05.07 | Dagmar | Lemme look |
| 23:05.28 | Neffi | Logitech like to break on me and just generally be underwhelming compared to their mice |
| 23:05.54 | Neffi | purl, no, Neffi is the author of nfUI aka wow-neffui |
| 23:05.54 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 23:06.17 | Kraps | i'm on me second http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Headset-Premium-Laser-Tuned-981-000195/ i like it |
| 23:06.24 | Kraps | er |
| 23:06.26 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Headset-Premium-Laser-Tuned-981-000195/dp/B003NREDG4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346022316&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+headset |
| 23:06.29 | Dagmar | This one has lasted me like six years now |
| 23:06.45 | Neffi | oh lawd, premium laser-tuned |
| 23:06.46 | Dagmar | I will have to come up with something to replace the sponge pads fairly soon. That's about it |
| 23:06.55 | Neffi | when did Logitech start marketing shit to audiophiles? |
| 23:07.07 | Kaylin | what does that even mean? @ premium laser tuned |
| 23:07.11 | Kraps | premium laser-tuned is the best |
| 23:07.12 | Dagmar | No idea. |
| 23:07.15 | Kraps | its like |
| 23:07.18 | Kraps | premium |
| 23:07.18 | Neffi | Also, any feedback on these fancy surround headsets? |
| 23:07.21 | Neffi | i do a lot of pvp |
| 23:07.21 | Dagmar | Neffi: The G330 is the closest thing to what I have |
| 23:07.23 | Kraps | laser-tuned |
| 23:07.30 | Dagmar | I dont' really care for the stiff mic stalk tho |
| 23:07.49 | Ackis | Neffi: I have a G930 (wireless) works well except when the microwave is going |
| 23:08.10 | Neffi | chuckles. |
| 23:08.25 | Dagmar | Neffi: You have two ears. No amount of screwing around with headsets is going to make it sound like you have 5.1 |
| 23:08.38 | Neffi | Dagmar: There are 5.1 headsets though |
| 23:08.46 | kd3 | "5.1" |
| 23:08.52 | Neffi | Multiple speakers positioned at different angles in the cup |
| 23:08.55 | Dagmar | Neffi: >95% of the bulletpoints in that space are meaningless bullshit because it just muxes it back into two output |
| 23:09.00 | Kraps | this months wired reviewed just such headsets! |
| 23:09.10 | Dagmar | Neffi: >..and yet you only have two ears |
| 23:09.15 | Neffi | Kraps: Oh really? Thanks. |
| 23:09.16 | Dagmar | *You* are binaural |
| 23:09.37 | Neffi | Your brain isn't though |
| 23:10.00 | Dagmar | Yes, which is why when you turn your head slightly (or the bass is high) you can definitely tell front from rear |
| 23:10.02 | Neffi | I don't trust shitty software surround, but real tanglible surround is noticable. At least in my home-theater. I'm unsure on the "5.1" headsets though. |
| 23:10.13 | Dagmar | ...but yer headphones are mounted on your head. |
| 23:10.42 | Neffi | I just thought of the situation where you hear the stealth sound and know whether it's behind, to the side, etc. |
| 23:10.53 | Neffi | I don't much care to hear a frostbolt whiz by |
| 23:11.12 | Dagmar | Stereo salesmen are notorious liars. |
| 23:11.24 | Kraps | dude |
| 23:11.28 | Kraps | premium laser-tuned |
| 23:11.31 | Kraps | !!!!!! |
| 23:11.31 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:11.45 | Ackis | ~Neffi |
| 23:11.45 | purl | neffi is probably a tool. |
| 23:11.54 | Neffi | God-dammit Ackis |
| 23:11.58 | Kraps | rude |
| 23:12.21 | Ackis | *innocent* |
| 23:12.21 | Dagmar | I went into the Cambridge store in the 9th street mall in SF one afternoon with one of my housemates... a guy who graduated from MTSU's audio engineering program |
| 23:12.29 | Neffi | ~Ackis |
| 23:12.29 | purl | ackis is probably a liar. |
| 23:12.30 | Kraps | ~smakis |
| 23:12.35 | Dagmar | Me, personal experience with actually playing in an orchestra |
| 23:12.37 | Kraps | ~smackis |
| 23:12.37 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 23:12.39 | Ackis | anyways I'm going to take some pain killers and hopefully lay down |
| 23:12.54 | Iriel | The surround effect on good "5.1" headphones is sufficiently surroundy compared to regular headphones |
| 23:12.57 | Dagmar | We let the saleman do his pitch for about 15-20 minutes and then asked him what his mother thought of this batch of lies |
| 23:13.02 | Stanzilla | so finally being an idiot started hurting, Ackis ? |
| 23:13.13 | Kraps | Dagmar, O_o |
| 23:13.30 | Dagmar | Kraps: He was so happily telling us "blah blah blah sounds like you're right there" |
| 23:13.32 | Neffi | Dagmar: I agree audio salesmen are the worst. I just figured maybe there's a bit to it. |
| 23:13.38 | Neffi | The 5.1 and all |
| 23:13.43 | Dagmar | I'm like, "Unfortunately for you, I've *been* 'right thre' many times." |
| 23:13.53 | Neffi | Not gonna go out and buy Beats headphones and re-cable them with Monster "oxygen free" cables. |
| 23:13.59 | Dagmar | Oh jesus no |
| 23:14.21 | Dagmar | They're quality enough, but you pay twice what you should for them |
| 23:14.28 | Neffi | enjoys his Thinksound IEMs thoroughly. |
| 23:14.43 | Neffi | Said $80 Thinksound sound better than the pro version |
| 23:14.47 | Neffi | Way better |
| 23:14.55 | Kraps | i'd say "surround" phones do sound closer to a multichannel system that regular stereo phones |
| 23:14.56 | Dagmar | I was kinda pissed that the salesman actually thought brass instruments and oboes sounded so flat |
| 23:15.11 | Kraps | but i've never had any myself |
| 23:15.34 | Neffi | Just like Skullcandy has good bass, eh? |
| 23:15.46 | kd3 | >.< |
| 23:15.49 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:15.53 | Kraps | the hell are "oxygen free" cables. |
| 23:15.57 | Dagmar | We spent about five minutes undoing all the insane-o preset shit they'd done to the demo system. Still sounded weak but at least it wasn't being pushed through the "CONCERT" setting anymore |
| 23:16.14 | Dagmar | Kraps: Magic squirrel sauce |
| 23:16.20 | Neffi | Kraps: I'm guessing they purge oxygen from the sleeving because copper corrodes. Never had a cable that didn't come like that. |
| 23:16.44 | Dagmar | If you don't have it, in 20 years the cable might need replacing. 10 if you're in a heavily caustic environment |
| 23:16.47 | Neffi | Shitty lamp cord you can buy at hardware stores is higher grade than Monster cables |
| 23:17.22 | pompy | 94 earthquakes now :O |
| 23:17.30 | kd3 | s/shitty lamp cord/cleaners twisted-metal hanger/ |
| 23:17.36 | Neffi | Not to mention their most expensive cables are digital. Like interference is gonna change a 1 into a 0. |
| 23:17.41 | Dagmar | Neffi: The thing to keep an eye out for is units which have a decent USB<->analog converter |
| 23:17.50 | Dagmar | Logitech at least gets that right |
| 23:17.55 | Kraps | pompy, once you hit 100 you get a free cotton candy |
| 23:18.07 | pompy | :O |
| 23:18.12 | Neffi | Dagmar: Notoriously hard to find. In fact any good USB DAC is hard to find since the audiophiles began eating up the idea. |
| 23:18.13 | Dagmar | pompy: In what area and over what period? |
| 23:18.24 | pompy | Dagmar: southern cali |
| 23:18.24 | Neffi | You need to spend buttloads to get something good nowadays |
| 23:18.29 | pompy | about 7 hours |
| 23:18.33 | Dagmar | Neffi: "audiophiles" on the internet are about as useful as "windows expercts" |
| 23:18.42 | Neffi | I know this much |
| 23:18.42 | pompy | Dagmar: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php |
| 23:18.44 | Dagmar | pompy: Pfft. worry if they suddenly stop |
| 23:18.56 | Dagmar | pompy: A bunch of little ones just mean the fault is still depressurizing |
| 23:19.08 | durcyn | either way, time to invest in water wings |
| 23:19.13 | Neffi | If you say Logitech is good, I'll take another look. |
| 23:19.16 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: you were the one playing dark souls a lot right? |
| 23:19.56 | Kraps | Dagmar, as a security expert i think blizzard hacks the D3 RMAH |
| 23:20.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: huh? |
| 23:20.08 | Neffi | Dagmar: I almost forgot Sennheiser makes USB headsets, or at least used to. Any feedback on thme? |
| 23:20.24 | Dagmar | neffi: Never bought them or used them, but they'r enot idiots |
| 23:20.29 | Kraps | i joke |
| 23:20.35 | Dagmar | Stay the f**k away from Labtec obviously |
| 23:20.42 | durcyn | sennheiser sells some models with a usb-1/8 adapter, last i checcked, and it's very hard to go wrong with them |
| 23:20.43 | Neffi | Looks like I got some stuff to choose from. Thanks. |
| 23:21.21 | Neffi | I try to stay the fuck away from a lot of stuff. I know Sennheiser's trustworthy. |
| 23:21.32 | Dagmar | Neffi: The band is very important if you wear them for any length of time |
| 23:21.45 | durcyn | i'm using their PC161 right now, they're large enough for my huge head and glasses |
| 23:21.50 | Dagmar | I usually use behind-the-neck models because well, I don't like them essing up my hair |
| 23:22.17 | Dagmar | ...and they balance a little better when the mic is extended |
| 23:22.32 | p3lim | Neffi: CoolerMaster Storm Sirus |
| 23:22.37 | Dagmar | Havin' yer mic wobble around from the position you calibrated things at will mess with your audibility |
| 23:23.02 | Dagmar | o.O the updates folder doesn't get housecleaned? |
| 23:23.10 | Dagmar | reclaims a lot of freaking space. |
| 23:23.13 | Neffi | p3lim: I'll let Cooler Master supply me a case. And this one mouse is alright, at best. I'm not pushing them for their usefulness. Let them stick to what they know. |
| 23:23.16 | Neffi | Good audio is not that. |
| 23:24.07 | p3lim | I'm quite happy with my purchase atleast, decent quality (build and sound), mic filters well, theyre comfortable and not too pricy |
| 23:25.21 | Dagmar | pompy: Are you down near San Diego? |
| 23:25.49 | Iriel | Neffi: I got my wife a pair of P163D G4ME headphones for her birthday, she likes them mostly, and they sound decent. |
| 23:26.24 | Iriel | I have Logitech G930 myself (I used to have G35 but a cat ate through the cord) |
| 23:26.47 | Neffi | Thanks for the recommendations. But I wanna shoot for something more than decent. Also, CM's build quality on anything but cases is questionable. |
| 23:26.51 | Neffi | This mouse disappointed me |
| 23:27.16 | p3lim | Never used any of their mice, so I can't say anything about that |
| 23:28.03 | p3lim | I was not considering them at all aswell, until I tried them on in a local store. |
| 23:29.09 | p3lim | Only bad thing I have to say about them is that the console thing is made to have on the left side of your desk, while I have to have it on the right side, but that is about it |
| 23:33.27 | Dagmar | I'd like for someone to make a mouse I like more than twice a decade |
| 23:34.01 | Dagmar | I love my G5, but it seems like the same thing as with the original G15... someone in marketing decided it was selling too well so it's time to fuck with it |
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| 23:41.41 | Dagmar | The G600 says to me "This will let you misfire more macros than ever before" |
| 23:42.12 | Dagmar | The G500 (appears to be the successor to the G5) looks like it has a _slider_ for the sensitivity control, and I just don't know about the third thumb button being where it is |
| 23:49.24 | pompy | Dagmar: im on the east coast! |
| 23:53.49 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOWf_T0jdgQ |
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