| 00:04.21 | Ressy | This is cool. |
| 00:04.31 | Ressy | WoW remote is now free to all WoW subscribers |
| 00:04.39 | kd3 | dispatch would be good if there was more than just my wifi router in range... |
| 00:06.49 | bluspacecow | appears to have some bugs tho. tried to switch from an alliance toon to a horde toon and it didn't switch the guild chat over. |
| 00:06.50 | kd3 | and if there was any linux support |
| 00:07.03 | kd3 | thought I suppose I can just roll my own solution for that instead... |
| 00:07.10 | kd3 | s/thought/though/ |
| 00:09.17 | xyphoid | Ressy: oh, nice |
| 00:16.58 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 00:17.12 | Primer | Can one not talk in guild chat in remote? |
| 00:17.14 | Primer | I mean, say something? |
| 00:17.31 | Primer | I can find no way to type anything |
| 00:18.07 | TC-Work | kd3: what about a second line? or 3g/4g dongle |
| 00:19.28 | *** join/#wowuidev eir (~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir) |
| 00:19.37 | Ressy | yeah you can Primer |
| 00:22.25 | Primer | enlighten me, please |
| 00:22.38 | Ressy | you logged in? |
| 00:22.41 | Ressy | Selected your guild? |
| 00:22.46 | Primer | because I can't find it |
| 00:22.55 | Primer | yes, I saw the people there too |
| 00:23.23 | Ressy | click on your guild name, and the icons |
| 00:24.04 | Primer | guild name, guild chat |
| 00:24.13 | Primer | online |
| 00:24.33 | Primer | I see Whispers(0) on top, Guild Members (2) below, and I see 2 people |
| 00:24.40 | Ressy | uh huh.. |
| 00:24.47 | Ressy | Top thing where your guild name is... |
| 00:24.50 | Ressy | click that. |
| 00:25.09 | Ressy | above whispers |
| 00:25.11 | Primer | wtf, that's fucking lame |
| 00:25.23 | TC-Work | s/lame/not intuitive/ |
| 00:25.36 | Ressy | nods |
| 00:25.49 | Primer | Ressy: thanks |
| 00:25.53 | Primer | I would have never thought of that |
| 00:26.12 | Ressy | I like hitting buttons. >.> |
| 00:26.35 | bluspacecow | or use the main menu button |
| 00:26.39 | Primer | Well, if it looked like a button, I would have hit it |
| 00:26.45 | Ressy | yup |
| 00:27.03 | bluspacecow | if it looked like a naked night elf ..... |
| 00:27.33 | Corrodias | huh? where? |
| 00:28.37 | bluspacecow | would totally hit that |
| 00:28.42 | bluspacecow | *double trigger fingers* |
| 00:28.48 | bluspacecow | giggity |
| 00:28.52 | foxlit | So, in unrelated news, 1.0.4 is actually pretty awesome |
| 00:29.20 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow: ewww |
| 00:29.59 | Kraps | im not in a guild :( |
| 00:30.21 | Esamynn|work | Kraps: for obvious reasons? |
| 00:30.29 | Kraps | yeah :p |
| 00:33.31 | Kraps | wait are people going to ask that their 3.99 a month be refunded now? |
| 00:33.34 | Kraps | (yes) |
| 00:35.12 | mckenziemc | of course not Kraps, people aren't that stupid |
| 00:35.35 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:36.50 | Kraps | hey i'm suddenly in grounding totem |
| 00:37.25 | bluspacecow | actuallly |
| 00:37.29 | bluspacecow | yes there are |
| 00:38.04 | Esamynn|work | when did this change? |
| 00:38.57 | bluspacecow | the mobile armory thingy? very recently |
| 00:39.25 | kd3 | hahaha... @MarsCuriosity: Recalculating... I was so giddy about my 1st drive yestersol, I tweeted the wrong specs. Correction: 4.5 m fwd, 120º turn, then back |
| 00:39.28 | bluspacecow | news item in the mobile armory lists it as 23/08/12 |
| 00:39.39 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/EpicGems/status/238784285816012800/photo/1/large |
| 00:39.45 | bluspacecow | near timestamp to event |
| 00:40.08 | Kraps | my warrior is still in GT, my priest is not |
| 00:41.01 | bluspacecow | just wish i had toons in guilds where people were actually online |
| 00:41.11 | Kraps | guild chat keeps timing out |
| 00:42.07 | Ressy | I had the same problem |
| 00:45.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~jamash@c-69-246-202-96.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 00:48.05 | Jamash | I seem to somehow have gotten myself g-lined from quakenet |
| 00:48.53 | kd3 | impressive |
| 00:49.10 | Jamash | somehow my irc client and or ZNC tried to log me in as "quakenet" |
| 00:49.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 00:50.02 | Jamash | I guess naming my znc users after the network they attach to wasn't as smart as I thought |
| 00:50.25 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 00:56.17 | Amarande | heh, running into hair-pulling looking at logs? |
| 00:56.45 | Amarande | last night in trade someone named their shaman Focustargett and before seeing the second T there was this one druid healer who was to them something like "god please never hit 85" |
| 00:57.43 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 00:58.13 | Esamynn|work | wonders if they ever blocked unit tokens from being used as names |
| 01:10.40 | Amarande | I'm not even sure if they block NPC names from being used as names, do they? |
| 01:10.58 | Amarande | You'd think if they did there would be a fair rash of players every expansion pack wondering "wtf am I flagged for a name change all of a sudden" |
| 01:11.16 | Mooootig | some names are blocked |
| 01:11.32 | Amarande | And then people just use accent marks anyway :P |
| 01:11.43 | Motig | but only the big lore characters (thrall etc) |
| 01:11.48 | Motig | yeah |
| 01:11.48 | Amarande | tries to remember how many DKs in LK had some form of misspelled or with-accented-letters version of "Arthas" |
| 01:12.09 | Motig | 10+ dk's named Arthus |
| 01:12.20 | Dagmar | For crap like that they should let you get to max level and then drop your toon |
| 01:12.29 | Amarande | Heh, my DK name actually came from a book, and if you know the relatively obscure reference, it's probably actually rather an appropriate name for a DK |
| 01:13.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: or they should add a Sargeras model into the game and when you get banned for something egregious like that, have him appear and kill you without the ability to rez? :) |
| 01:13.11 | Amarande | (They actually DO do something like this in Guild Wars.) |
| 01:13.40 | Dagmar | I could deal with that |
| 01:13.56 | xyphoid | i had someone ask me to make my achievement tool work with accented names |
| 01:14.11 | Dagmar | Also they could make the queue more exciting. |
| 01:14.11 | Amarande | Apparently when you get banned in GW (not that it's happened to me heh), the GW verse's death god pops up personally to kill you (non-rezzable) |
| 01:14.21 | xyphoid | chars with accented names aren't real people |
| 01:14.39 | Dagmar | Just put you before a "trial" of twelve people randomly selected from the queue who will decide by majority "Keep or flush?" |
| 01:14.54 | Dagmar | ...and if you're guilty, the jurors get your money |
| 01:16.47 | Shirik | declares Dagmar guilty |
| 01:16.51 | Shirik | gief money plz |
| 01:17.23 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 01:17.29 | bluspacecow | Anyone in beta advise me what files starting with "wow-update-base-" they see in their Data folder ? |
| 01:17.33 | bluspacecow | BRB hanging washing |
| 01:17.42 | Dagmar | What the hell |
| 01:17.46 | Dagmar | What did washing ever do to you? |
| 01:17.49 | kd3 | 16016 |
| 01:17.52 | kd3 | is the only one |
| 01:18.02 | kd3 | the others appear to have been merged in already |
| 01:19.45 | *** join/#wowuidev bluipodcow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 01:19.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluipodcow] by ChanServ |
| 01:20.10 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 01:22.17 | Torhal | slaps iOS 3.0 on bluipodcow. |
| 01:22.48 | bluipodcow | O_O |
| 01:28.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: if you're guilty, the jurors get your money ... why do I get the impression there have been many cultures both real and fictional that have actually used this method of justice in the past? :P |
| 01:28.46 | Dagmar | I think it would be quite effective in stomping out most forms of Stupid Name Syndrome |
| 01:29.18 | Dagmar | Just to make it fair, approval of the name should result in all jurors being given 50g |
| 01:29.36 | Amarande | Well, that might be a good way to keep down inflation in the game heh |
| 01:29.57 | Amarande | every time someone gets sufficiently rich, someone would be like "hey, let's accuse him of having a stupid name so we can divvy up his money!" |
| 01:30.20 | Dagmar | No, GMs would still get the say as to who has to go before the Name Arbitration Council |
| 01:30.21 | Amarande | and so, sales of horrendously expensive vendor mounts and the like will go up like a rocket, as will the percentage of players with 310% flying on all alts :) |
| 01:30.31 | Amarande | ah, heh |
| 01:30.43 | Dagmar | ...but if your name is "Sirpoopypants" and you're on a fancy mount, expect GUILTY |
| 01:30.48 | Amarande | btw, is it actually true that they're no longer letting people buy 3-person mammoth mounts from WOTLK as of 5.0? |
| 01:31.03 | Amarande | I heard that from a guildie last night but it seems sketchy atm as to whether it's known, I couldn't find info for sure with Google |
| 01:31.28 | Amarande | I could see them wanting to drop the Traveler's Tundra Mammoth in order to push people to buy the stupidly expensive yak, but the other ones that don't come with vendors too? :S |
| 01:31.37 | Esamynn|work | xyphoid: and only English is a real language? |
| 01:33.03 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: well... one could always check on the beta |
| 01:33.38 | Amarande | Don't have the beta ... and even if I did, I don't think I have the hard drive space to spare atm :( |
| 01:33.57 | Esamynn|work | oh, not an author? |
| 01:34.03 | Amarande | nope, not an author |
| 01:34.33 | Esamynn|work | pffft, well then, you officially no longer matter :P |
| 01:34.47 | Esamynn|work | j/k |
| 01:38.09 | bluipodcow | That's alright |
| 01:38.21 | bluipodcow | Neither is ackis :P |
| 01:38.46 | Esamynn|work | remind me again why we keep him around? |
| 01:39.46 | Kaylin | http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/08/23/world-of-warcraft-remote-services-now-free-to-all-players/ |
| 01:39.50 | Kaylin | orly? |
| 01:40.01 | bluipodcow | Ya rly |
| 01:40.14 | Kaelten | yup |
| 01:40.26 | Kaylin | what do I need to use mobile IM, can I do it via the web or just phone mode? |
| 01:44.33 | Dagmar | A 3G/4G connection? |
| 01:44.39 | Dagmar | Basically, an IP address on yer phone |
| 01:45.17 | Dagmar | We have a couple who just guildchat with ipads |
| 01:46.00 | Dagmar | I'm reasonably sure if i went and paid that premium, the Armory app on my Xoom (Android) would do it fine |
| 01:49.00 | Amarande | Ah |
| 01:49.21 | Amarande | THAT explains why I wasn't asked to buy WoW Remote when I accidentally touched Claim Gold on the app |
| 01:49.41 | Amarande | although I didn't confirm it, as it would probably disrupt Auctioneer's stat gathering if I start claiming gold via remote :S |
| 01:51.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Xandr (~Xandr@87-198-51-133.ptr.magnet.ie) |
| 01:52.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Xandr (~Xandr@87-198-51-133.ptr.magnet.ie) |
| 01:55.02 | Amarande | btw, are the yaks about the same size as the mammoths, or larger? |
| 01:55.05 | Amarande | or smaller? |
| 01:55.48 | Amarande | big enough to make me glad to still be doing Dalaran cooking dailies, though heh |
| 02:13.05 | Kraps | in the comment on that page people are saying that they got a week of game time as compensation |
| 02:14.08 | Kraps | "to thinck i was going to pay for this last yer lmao glade i did not wast my time and money thk blizzard for the free app but with in a week or two you will have some thing new out thats how u are blizzard" |
| 02:15.56 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 02:18.44 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.181.66) |
| 02:19.43 | bluspacecow | w w a d |
| 02:19.47 | bluspacecow | oh claudia you are lolz |
| 02:20.05 | Amarande | I never subscribed to WoW Remote, I just find it's nice that we don't have to pay for it anymore |
| 02:21.02 | Amarande | especially since it has certain uses, like when some of your characters are in a guild that's totally dead in activity level but that you're in because some of your best friends are in it |
| 02:21.15 | Amarande | so you don't have to go to the trouble of switching characters and servers and all that just to find out if anyone is actually on |
| 02:21.57 | Amarande | oh wow. you know, you guys would rip into me for my theories and such, but ... this just has me rolling eyes |
| 02:22.01 | mckenziemc | Next up after the break: Amarande speculate's on free RAH's effect on server economies |
| 02:22.18 | mckenziemc | s/e's/es |
| 02:22.20 | Amarande | Apparently, people are insisting that the RMAH in D3 affects drop rates based on how many of an item are presently for sale for cash :P |
| 02:22.27 | xyphoid | let me guess, it's an actiblizzard conspiracy |
| 02:22.59 | Amarande | As in, claiming that if there's a lot of a given piece of gear for sale for real money at a given moment, that piece of gear won't drop |
| 02:23.14 | Amarande | (Granted, it won't drop, but that's because the RNG hates you, not because Blizzard decided to modulate the drop rate based on RMAH activity. :P) |
| 02:23.57 | Amarande | (And besides, "items won't drop when you actually want them" is something that's been the case ever since games with random loot were first invented. It's just the simple fact that your computer hates you heh) |
| 02:25.00 | Mr_Rabies | geez |
| 02:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | finally |
| 02:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | heroic spine down |
| 02:25.19 | Amarande | It's the same reason why when you play AD&D 2nd Edition (where weapon proficiencies first became commonly used) tabletop, the dice will invariably mean your share of the loot will be something stupid like a glaive-guisarme that you (because you are sane) obviously don't have the proficiency for. :) |
| 02:27.11 | Kraps | hey anyone in grounding totem, Ertis isnt in there right? |
| 02:31.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:32.31 | Kraps | i have my headless horsemans horse, idk why but i love that thing |
| 02:32.44 | Amarande | Kraps: isn't it the only such model mount that flies? |
| 02:32.58 | Kraps | dunno |
| 02:33.14 | Amarande | (only other mounts with that model are the DK mount and the Shadowmourne horse, am I right or did I miss one?) |
| 02:34.02 | Amarande | not sure if the shadowmourne horse flies or not, though, I've never actually deigned to spend the gold on it |
| 02:35.42 | Kraps | you can look it up |
| 02:35.49 | Amarande | sooo ... thinking of getting D3 eventually. did they fix the alleged inferno act balance issues yet (or did said issues never actually exist and it was 100% simply player frustration)? |
| 02:36.27 | Amarande | my understanding was that the AH, real or gold, is merely a crutch for people who want to get through things faster (and not sure why you'd want to, since once you finish inferno, that's it, all you've got left to do is farm and grind out paragon levels) |
| 02:36.37 | pompy | what Kraps said |
| 02:36.38 | pompy | http://www.diablofans.com/news/1321-official-104-patch-notes-and-patch-104-confirmed-for-tomorrow/ |
| 02:36.47 | Amarande | however, I've read talk that some classes physically cannot complete the game solo without making a purchase from the AH |
| 02:37.19 | Amarande | (Barbarians in particular, the usual canard is that they can't finish Inferno A1 unless they buy gear from Inferno A2 first, and can't finish Inferno A2 without buying gear from A3/A4 first) |
| 02:37.29 | Kraps | every class will be really grindy if you dont buy on the AH |
| 02:37.55 | Kraps | some may be worse than others yes |
| 02:37.57 | Amarande | yeah, that's pretty much like playing D2 without trading (particularly on hardcore, since you can't take risks you can afford to on SC) |
| 02:38.22 | Amarande | however, the claim wasn't that it was just hard, but that the numbers just didn't add up to possibility without getting gear from acts later than you're at |
| 02:38.43 | Amarande | Kind of like, say, trying to raid Sunwell back in the day without first farming BT to the point of BiS-in-everything so you can meet the DPS threshold for Brutallus |
| 02:39.36 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 02:39.47 | Amarande | (And even in D2, there are class builds that literally can't finish Hell alone without improbably massive levels of gear. It's why I invariably built my Sorceresses as cold/lightning based, because that's the only build that isn't so crippled.) |
| 02:40.18 | Kraps | ahhhhh flying in sw |
| 02:40.22 | Kraps | :D |
| 02:40.35 | Kraps | yes ive done it before |
| 02:40.38 | arton | yawns. |
| 02:40.46 | Kraps | but muscle memory |
| 02:40.47 | Amarande | and then rolled your next alt and found how much of a bear it is to get around SW without flight? :) |
| 02:41.05 | xyphoid | i wish flying mounts had roll controls |
| 02:41.16 | Kraps | nah im on my flying horse |
| 02:41.17 | Amarande | although at least it's just a matter of "crap, have to go ALL the way out there to find the one or so gap in the wall that lets you up to the pumpkin farm and crystal bass pond" then |
| 02:41.22 | karl_w_w | what? SW is easy to get around without flight |
| 02:41.43 | Amarande | unlike, say, Orgrimmar, where it's "gah, exactly what level is that spot actually on again? and dammit, just flew past the entrance to the Cleft of Shadow for the 88th time" |
| 02:42.05 | Amarande | karl: yeah, just tedious, especially if you're used to flight |
| 02:42.11 | Kraps | i went to Orgrimmar once |
| 02:42.17 | Kraps | it was horrible |
| 02:42.19 | Kraps | :p |
| 02:42.20 | Amarande | it's not anywhere near as convenient to get around on foot as Ironforge |
| 02:42.37 | Amarande | then again, pretty much nothing (except maybe Undercity) is as convenient to get around on foot as Ironforge, as far as faction capital cities go |
| 02:42.42 | karl_w_w | exodar is the best for getting around on foot |
| 02:42.51 | karl_w_w | which is handy given you still can't fly there |
| 02:43.54 | Amarande | Kraps: it wasn't too bad before cata, but after cata when it went much more 3D it became painful |
| 02:44.23 | Jammer | Kraps: had pretty hard time finding the dungeon entrance in Org when I started playing as alliance char :p |
| 02:45.00 | Amarande | actually, there are some times when it downright sucks to get around SW, though |
| 02:45.09 | Amarande | particularly that one point in the chain to start TwiHi as alliance |
| 02:45.43 | Amarande | (actually, practically the entire chain to start TwiHi as alliance, since Anduin doesn't have a flying mount, so even if you're on your 310 you have to take ground mount routes so you don't lose your prince :P) |
| 02:46.01 | Jammer | what are you talking about? Anduin does have flying mount |
| 02:46.03 | Amarande | but, particularly, the quest where you have to protect Anduin at the altar near the cow farm |
| 02:46.26 | karl_w_w | yeah anduin flies just fine |
| 02:46.30 | Amarande | Jammer: he does? when I got on my turbo-charged flying machine he just got on his horse, and if I lifted off above ground he didn't seem to switch to a flying mount |
| 02:46.37 | xyphoid | he absolutely does |
| 02:46.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~Adium@99-33-83-160.lightspeed.plalca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:47.08 | Unkle | Station |
| 02:47.09 | Jammer | Amarande: yeah he likes to get stuck :p |
| 02:47.23 | Amarande | Thing about the quest at the altar near the cow farm is that if you are a squishy and have never done the quest before, you have about as much chance of surviving as Leeroy Jenkins's group calculated before the infamous charge :P |
| 02:47.34 | Jammer | lol |
| 02:47.46 | Amarande | The Twilight guys hit HARD, you will be fighting at least two of them at once |
| 02:48.06 | Amarande | and you will probably be surprised by them because, hey, you're escorting a level 5. do you really expect for the things you have to protect him from to be that tough? |
| 02:48.08 | Jammer | never really had a problem but then again I always had some dungeon gear by that time |
| 02:48.42 | Amarande | yeah, it's probably more of an issue now |
| 02:48.50 | foxlit | Jamash: it's an Amarande's World problem. |
| 02:48.51 | Amarande | back in the day, you virtually always went to TwiHi at 85 |
| 02:49.25 | Kraps | master riding is 310% |
| 02:49.31 | pompy | foxlit: Jammer! |
| 02:49.33 | Kraps | ? |
| 02:49.56 | Jammer | I noticed lot of people struggling really hard to tab complete our nicks right :p |
| 02:50.12 | xyphoid | do you really expect a level 84 quest to have level 84 mobs? that's just crazy |
| 02:50.13 | mckenziemc | hey Jammer |
| 02:50.43 | Amarande | Now you are more likely to go at 84, because now that MoP is imminent, there's not really much need to stop by Deepholm on every character (as there isn't really a need now to grind Therazane on characters that are still leveling, by the time you actually need an up to date shoulder enchant scribes from MoP will be able to help you) |
| 02:50.55 | Amarande | so you'll probably go straight to Uldum after you get out of Hyjal or Vashj'ir |
| 02:51.00 | pompy | :O |
| 02:51.07 | Amarande | and then be hitting TwiHi at 84 rather than at 85 with some dungeon gear |
| 02:52.04 | Kraps | master riding is 310% yeah? |
| 02:52.09 | Amarande | Kraps: yup |
| 02:52.21 | Amarande | Doubly so considering that if you're not utterly loaded on gold and don't want to spend ages slumming non-heroics, you pretty much have to be getting your bum over to Twilight Highlands |
| 02:53.53 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:54.19 | Amarande | (Need 329 ilvl to get into heroics, which means if you don't want to spend the 5000+g that decent level 85 weapons cost on AH these days or wait for one to drop from non-heroics, you'll need that arena chain (whatever the cata version of ring of blood/amphitheatre of anguish etc. is called) in order to get the 333 blue weapon from there) |
| 02:54.35 | xyphoid | i'm surprised you haven't linked the quest to an attempt to encourage people to reroll tank classes to help with queues and minimise queue time to keep subscritpion numbers up for ACTIVI$ON profit numbers |
| 02:54.51 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:55.13 | Kraps | good thing i cant tell what hes saying because then i would be compelled to argue |
| 02:55.19 | Amarande | xyphoid: well, here's why you might not expect level 84 (actually 83) mobs to jump you, especially not in multiples |
| 02:55.36 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 02:55.39 | xyphoid | i mean to discourage people from playing alts and instead move them over to d3 to increase box sales to artifically spike d3 sales over gw2's release |
| 02:55.42 | Amarande | one, none of the other quests involving actively escorting Anduin even involve combat at all |
| 02:56.03 | Amarande | two, he's level FIVE, and that quest specifically gives "protect him" as a criterion |
| 02:56.06 | foxlit | you'll be so stunned by the sudden appearance of hostile monsters |
| 02:56.10 | xyphoid | i mean to encourage people to quit in disgust and resubscribe just in time for brewfest |
| 02:56.22 | foxlit | that you'll be unable to do anything for the 40 seconds it takes them to melee you to death. |
| 02:56.38 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 02:56.50 | xyphoid | versimilitude! |
| 02:56.59 | Amarande | which means, I was expecting the mobs to not be so powerful because I figured "they wouldn't give you level 84 mobs, those do 3k+ a hit, would they really have you escort someone with 100hp and have you fight mobs that do 3k+ a hit?" |
| 02:57.32 | Amarande | maybe in the bad old days of WoW where escort quests were actually hard to the point that most people made a point to skip them altogether if they could get away with it :P but not in cata |
| 02:57.42 | foxlit | then, two minutes later, your brain will catch up and go "oh wait, I was supposed to press some action buttons to make things die in this game, wasn't I?" |
| 02:58.04 | Kraps | heya unkle can my 2 "main"s (i hate that word) be invited back to the guild? |
| 02:58.05 | Amarande | more like "oh crap, after the shock, my squishy mage no longer has the HP to mathematically survive the battle and I'm going to die." |
| 02:58.20 | mckenziemc | ^ bad |
| 02:58.44 | Amarande | and then noting "ah, that's right, this character is probably squishier than characters were here when cata was new, because I didn't do Deepholm since MoP is coming so soon so I'm only level 84 rather than semi-geared 85" |
| 02:58.45 | foxlit | If you're in shock for that long, seek medical attention |
| 02:59.19 | xyphoid | 'it's not MY FAULT' |
| 02:59.22 | Amarande | foxlit: multiple melee mobs are surprisingly punishing on cloth at cata levels |
| 02:59.32 | Kraps | higher level mobs hit harder wut |
| 02:59.44 | pompy | nowai gais |
| 02:59.49 | foxlit | Amarande: yes, and mages have absolutely no abilities to deal with that. None at all. |
| 02:59.53 | Amarande | especially if you're a mage, so you don't have the option of a tanking pet like a warlock, nor do you have the option of healing yourself in a pinch like a priest |
| 03:00.05 | mckenziemc | Amarande: running back to res after learning what the quest is like is surprisingly punishing |
| 03:00.05 | foxlit | I mean, if a mob gets into melee range, you might as well just walk away from the keyboard, because you're already dead. |
| 03:00.15 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:00.16 | xyphoid | and they removed sheep in cataclysm didn't they |
| 03:00.23 | Amarande | foxlit: iceblock = mobs all retarget nearest guy. this does not mix with escort quest. :) |
| 03:00.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 03:00.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 03:00.56 | karl_w_w | my first time through that quest was on my mage and he still had most of his icc gear and i had no problem |
| 03:01.04 | mckenziemc | if you say so |
| 03:01.07 | pompy | http://phandroid.com/2012/08/23/mark-zuckerberg-reportedly-forcing-facebooks-android-team-to-use-app-and-see-how-bad-it-is/ |
| 03:01.28 | foxlit | Amarande: there's no "nearest guy" during that quest. |
| 03:01.39 | Kraps | its you foxlit |
| 03:01.40 | Amarande | foxlit: I presume if you iceblock they'll all go for Anduin |
| 03:01.46 | Kraps | you are the nearest guy |
| 03:01.55 | xyphoid | amarande is arguing that he made the decision to die himself rather than let anduin be killed |
| 03:02.09 | Kraps | a noble sacrifice |
| 03:02.13 | xyphoid | ^ |
| 03:02.18 | Kraps | for our future king |
| 03:02.24 | Amarande | mckenziemc: actually, yes, running back to rez is surprisingly punishing |
| 03:02.37 | karl_w_w | except how will he survive when you are dead and he is left alone with them |
| 03:02.38 | Amarande | by then you've had flight for 20+ levels, 20+ levels which take as long as the sixty that came before them did |
| 03:02.46 | foxlit | not that they can target him. |
| 03:02.50 | Stanzilla | so I really like bbq |
| 03:02.53 | Amarande | when you die in that spot, you appear in the Stormwind graveyard, which is on the other side of the wall |
| 03:02.58 | Stanzilla | my favorite are chicken steaks |
| 03:03.09 | mckenziemc | Amarande: you've wasted more time on this moot point then dying ten times on that quest |
| 03:03.15 | karl_w_w | good thing the map works while you're dead |
| 03:03.15 | Amarande | and you don't get a flying ghost in SW, so you have to snake your way all the way around the damn city to get to the one spot where you can go through the wall to get back to the farm |
| 03:03.24 | Kraps | karl_w_w, anduin is a really nice kid, he could make the mods his friends easily |
| 03:03.33 | Kraps | mobs* |
| 03:03.34 | Stanzilla | and there is this super sexy bbq sauce made by HP |
| 03:03.39 | Amarande | it's no more fun than when you're doing the cooking and fishing dailies and get sent to that point before you hit 60 |
| 03:03.47 | karl_w_w | hewlett packard? |
| 03:03.50 | Stanzilla | http://www.heinz.co.uk/sauce-partners/hp-sauce/products/hp-bbq |
| 03:03.52 | Stanzilla | mpüe |
| 03:03.54 | Stanzilla | *nope |
| 03:04.05 | Stanzilla | but I thought the same at first |
| 03:04.13 | Stanzilla | but this is like the best bbq sauce you will ever taste |
| 03:04.18 | karl_w_w | I didn't, I was joking :P |
| 03:04.41 | Stanzilla | I didn't either |
| 03:04.44 | Stanzilla | I was being friendly |
| 03:05.05 | karl_w_w | nice save |
| 03:05.12 | Kraps | so whats the riding situation in MoP |
| 03:05.21 | Stanzilla | Kraps: can't ride till 90 |
| 03:05.23 | Amarande | Kraps: however, yes, mobs get a huge boost in relative power at cata levels |
| 03:05.23 | Stanzilla | then buy skill |
| 03:05.25 | Stanzilla | ride again |
| 03:06.28 | Kraps | just boughr 310 flying, what a rebel |
| 03:06.38 | Stanzilla | like a bauss |
| 03:06.41 | Kraps | granted im only level 82 |
| 03:06.46 | Unkle | Kraps - On Kirin Tor? |
| 03:06.46 | Amarande | Especially jarring on a frost mage: ice barrier is so powerful at lower levels that unless you're facing elites or *seriously* too many mobs, by the time you start cata you quite possibly haven't even taken actual damage for several levels, because the mobs simply don't have the DPS :P |
| 03:06.55 | Kraps | Unkle, yup |
| 03:07.08 | xyphoid | haha you were a frost mage and died to quest mobs |
| 03:07.15 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 03:07.15 | xyphoid | (in conclusion) |
| 03:07.21 | Amarande | xyphoid: yes, three cata level melee mobs at the same time |
| 03:07.22 | Unkle | Oh shit… do you need a /ginvite? I may have urged you |
| 03:07.39 | Stanzilla | Amarande: l2p |
| 03:07.40 | mckenziemc | ~xyphoid++ |
| 03:07.41 | Amarande | as a general rule, my frost barrier usually runs out by the time I've gotten a single mob down to 30%-40%, with what mobs dish out in cata zones |
| 03:07.56 | Stanzilla | frost mage man, mobs don't reach you |
| 03:08.00 | Amarande | at that point, it's still on cooldown, and pushback starts becoming a problem |
| 03:08.08 | Amarande | Stan: actually in that particular quest the mobs start out rather close |
| 03:08.15 | Stanzilla | blink |
| 03:08.15 | Kraps | urged? no, i was kicked for inactivity i presume, coming back for mop |
| 03:08.20 | Amarande | particularly if you didn't know the actual spawn spots beforehand |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | it's a sucky area to be cloth, much like quests where you have to go aboard ships and such |
| 03:08.47 | Kraps | the names are Ertis and Mornsen |
| 03:09.02 | Unkle | Yeah, I meant purged. But yeah, shoot anyone who is on a /tell for an invite. |
| 03:09.15 | Cairenn | Okay, I'm sure I shouldn't laugh, but this is just too funny .... Romney is about to arrive in FL at the same time as a hurricane ... |
| 03:09.36 | Unkle | It IS funny. |
| 03:09.39 | Amarande | Cairenn: heh, I've already heard people poking fun at the coincidence between hurricane and RNC |
| 03:10.30 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> at that point, it's still on cooldown, and pushback starts becoming a problem <- when you're playing a mage and you're trying to cast frostbolt or whatever while something is hitting you, it's time to choose a new class |
| 03:10.34 | Unkle | Well, I was in Houston back when the RNC was there in the 90s. |
| 03:10.42 | Unkle | It is rather like a hurricane. |
| 03:10.48 | Amarande | More to my practical concern is whether it's going to hit Atlanta during Dragon Con or, worse, on the 30th or 4th when my flights down and back are |
| 03:11.02 | mckenziemc | worse? |
| 03:11.19 | xyphoid | Amarande: as homework, list 5 skills you could have used to win! |
| 03:11.20 | Amarande | mckenziemc: it's not a very powerful hurricane apparently, and may be weaker by the time it reaches as far in as Atlanta |
| 03:11.25 | mckenziemc | there's no contest there |
| 03:11.38 | kd3 | hell, I'm hoping we get it (atlantan) |
| 03:11.41 | Kraps | unkle, the who list only found synzenia, a lvl 40 druid |
| 03:11.44 | kd3 | we're so far behind for the year rain-wise |
| 03:11.48 | Amarande | so of more concern is whether it's going to result in delayed and/or canceled flights in or out |
| 03:12.01 | Unkle | Oh. Well, I'm in the middle of installing the game. Remind me in a bit. |
| 03:12.09 | Kraps | ok no prob |
| 03:13.58 | Kraps | http://mop.wowhead.com/spell=115913 |
| 03:19.13 | Kraps | its easier to have dragons as mounts when you arent reminded that they are people http://mop.wowhead.com/item=77069 |
| 03:20.21 | Unkle | Well, that all depends on how you define "mont." |
| 03:20.25 | Unkle | er, mount |
| 03:20.42 | kd3 | wills his mind out of the gutter but fails horribly |
| 03:20.48 | Kraps | hah |
| 03:21.07 | Wobin | Anyone from/in Poland? |
| 03:21.11 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.181.66) |
| 03:21.49 | karl_w_w | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2137062696.png you're all jealous I can tell |
| 03:22.24 | Arrowmaster | i am because i cant get a speedtest to finish |
| 03:22.25 | kd3 | that's close to my connection most of the time |
| 03:22.58 | karl_w_w | i live in an inner suburb though |
| 03:23.02 | Arrowmaster | the android app is the only one that will finish the upload test and it says my upload is around 30kbit/s |
| 03:23.04 | karl_w_w | in a real house |
| 03:23.15 | Wobin | if anyone from Poland wants a programming gig (java), a friend's company is having a roadshow: http://www.atlassian.com/company/about/events/roadshow-recruit/2012poland |
| 03:23.54 | karl_w_w | people from poland who want to spend their time coding java? very small audience there Wobin |
| 03:24.19 | kd3 | atlassian... |
| 03:24.21 | kd3 | trac? |
| 03:24.28 | kd3 | opens the url |
| 03:24.33 | Unkle | Hey, Poland is pretty densely populated and has a high rate of technology adoption. |
| 03:25.12 | foxlit | kd3: trying to figure out why the name is familiar too |
| 03:25.37 | Arrowmaster | jira |
| 03:25.37 | kd3 | jira |
| 03:25.40 | Wobin | ^ |
| 03:26.03 | Wobin | karl_w_w: it's worth a try =) |
| 03:26.37 | karl_w_w | Unkle: yes, but being Polish is not the only requirement :P |
| 03:26.44 | foxlit | mm, maybe bitbucket |
| 03:26.54 | Kraps | poland also has a mayor that drives tanks over illegally parked vehicles |
| 03:27.04 | Kraps | it takes all kinds! |
| 03:27.44 | Arrowmaster | that was a rigged stunt |
| 03:28.01 | pompy | mckenziemc: what did you do!? ;p |
| 03:28.06 | Arrowmaster | my connection is so bad right now that hulu ads are failing to load |
| 03:28.56 | Arrowmaster | and then the stupid thing doesnt count down unless im tabbed over and actually watching the blank screen |
| 03:29.35 | karl_w_w | first world problems |
| 03:30.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah :( |
| 03:30.17 | mckenziemc | hey karl_w_w_w_w_w_w_w |
| 03:30.24 | Arrowmaster | also im out of junk food |
| 03:30.32 | karl_w_w | hey mckenziemcmcmcmcmc |
| 03:30.48 | Kraps | look at my horse my horse is amazing http://gyazo.com/3f1e7c3f06f9a628fb271ffb70cd6484.png?1345778103 |
| 03:31.24 | karl_w_w | the first line of a bestiality poem |
| 03:33.18 | Thunder_Child | which you know all about don't you karl_w_w |
| 03:34.55 | karl_w_w | I know something about most things Thunder_Child, but not everything about any one thing |
| 03:36.52 | mckenziemc | that's what they all say |
| 03:44.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:44.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:51.26 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: I just had toast |
| 03:51.46 | Arrowmaster | i just had a nutella and mayo sandwich |
| 03:51.52 | Stanzilla | ew |
| 03:52.32 | Stanzilla | sounds like a very weird mixture |
| 03:52.58 | Arrowmaster | its a modification on the old peanut butter and mayo sandwich |
| 03:55.17 | Stanzilla | shivers |
| 03:56.16 | Arrowmaster | i use miracle whip and not real mayo though |
| 03:58.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@c-98-203-233-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:59.17 | Wobin | ... I don't know if that's better or worse =P |
| 03:59.44 | Jamash | so you're saying you didn't have a nutella and mayo sandwich? |
| 04:03.32 | Arrowmaster | i think i still prefer peanut butter over nutella on sandwiches though |
| 04:03.49 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 04:04.01 | Wobin | hey Fisker |
| 04:04.08 | Wobin | Fisker: Are you all up on the GW2? |
| 04:04.14 | Fisker | nope |
| 04:09.08 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 04:09.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 04:11.05 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: Fisker dosent want to play with the cool kids |
| 04:13.25 | Fisker | people who play GW2 certainly aren't cool kids |
| 04:18.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (~Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 04:19.23 | mckenziemc | freezes Fisker in a block of ice. |
| 04:24.27 | ccox | zomg! epic cinematic. |
| 04:25.12 | xyphoid | the wow one? |
| 04:25.56 | Fisker | hey ccox |
| 04:25.57 | ccox | wow panda |
| 04:26.03 | ccox | Hey Fisker |
| 04:26.09 | ccox | what are you down to? |
| 04:26.18 | xyphoid | go look up the warcraft 2 cover after watching it too |
| 04:29.48 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 04:52.24 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/yq7mj/so_ive_had_a_printer_on_my_network_which_no_one/ |
| 04:52.34 | Arrowmaster | kd3: youll like this one ^^^ |
| 04:54.38 | Arrowmaster | good stories in the comments too |
| 04:56.47 | Fisker | i once good stories in the comments too'd |
| 04:58.17 | arton | tilts. |
| 04:58.34 | Arrowmaster | ~silence Fisker |
| 04:58.34 | purl | ACTION shoves an apple in Fisker's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 05:01.35 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 05:02.35 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 05:02.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 05:02.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~Adium@99-33-83-160.lightspeed.plalca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:09.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@unaffiliated/aurorus) |
| 05:14.49 | Jamash | sup |
| 05:15.06 | Jamash | my friend is ultra hyped on guild wars 2 |
| 05:17.32 | *** join/#wowuidev the-golem_ (~Darrin@c-24-10-17-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:23.13 | Jamash | my friend was swinging a big foam sword around so I pulled out my ping-pong ball gun and said "Never take a son to a gourd fight." at which point I realized that it was late and I should go home |
| 05:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | peanut butter, banana, and mayo imo Arrowmaster |
| 05:27.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Paul1_ (~Paul1@212.224.70.58) |
| 05:29.17 | Unkle | kraps ping |
| 05:36.12 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: foam???? |
| 05:36.18 | Arrowmaster | get some steel |
| 05:36.33 | Jamash | you can hit people with foam swords without injuring the people |
| 05:36.40 | Jamash | therefore they are more useful in a practical sense |
| 05:36.52 | Arrowmaster | i had my ulaks out the other day |
| 05:36.57 | Jamash | that sounds painful |
| 05:37.03 | Jamash | did you get ice cream afterwards? |
| 05:37.12 | Arrowmaster | i cant get most of my other stuff out though since its all packed away |
| 05:37.20 | End_ | messing around with pet battles on the beta...holy crap every pet I've fought has been rare since the server restarted |
| 06:02.26 | Fisker | so Adys know shit about dem barbs? |
| 06:02.31 | Adys | somewhat |
| 06:02.32 | Adys | sup |
| 06:04.21 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:88fe:bdc5:439c:718a) |
| 06:04.21 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 06:05.16 | arton | Fisker's all about the herb. |
| 06:05.39 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Fisker-1200/hero/11777 |
| 06:05.55 | Fisker | should we still be using 1h/shield for inferno? :P |
| 06:06.04 | Fisker | and is my build shit? |
| 06:06.15 | Corrodias | sixty fisker sounds dirtier than sixty nine |
| 06:09.49 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: level your damn scoundrel |
| 06:10.37 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (5045e70a@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 06:10.47 | g0urra | hey Fisker, do you have a free lil' xt |
| 06:11.56 | Fisker | no g0urra |
| 06:12.01 | Fisker | i already have one |
| 06:14.15 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 06:23.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool017.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 06:23.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:24.26 | Sintacks | blaoidjgasdf |
| 06:24.33 | Sintacks | @project bagnon |
| 06:24.37 | Sintacks | depr |
| 06:25.00 | Sintacks | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout | 4,386 tributes to Monty Python |
| 06:25.10 | Sintacks | yes, i know he's not in here |
| 06:26.37 | Adys | Fisker: 2h with a lot of crit is becoming popular |
| 06:26.45 | Adys | since the patch that is |
| 06:37.06 | *** join/#wowuidev nebula169 (~nebula@c-75-72-138-186.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 06:38.57 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.170.62) |
| 06:48.20 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.135.81) |
| 06:50.59 | arton | wtb motivation pst |
| 07:01.08 | Semlar | what do you need motivated |
| 07:02.12 | arton | gearing up |
| 07:03.10 | arton | I'm sitting at ilvl 360. |
| 07:03.31 | arton | Trying to catch up seems futile. |
| 07:03.52 | karl_w_w | don't gear up arton |
| 07:04.00 | Semlar | well the mop patch is coming out in like a week |
| 07:04.06 | arton | nods. |
| 07:04.15 | Semlar | or half a week |
| 07:04.59 | Semlar | i would just do what you enjoy and not focus too much on gearing up |
| 07:05.20 | arton | nods. |
| 07:05.45 | arton | I'll just burn myself out if I try to catch up at this point. |
| 07:05.54 | Semlar | after the patch hits i'm sure people will be playing with all the new skills |
| 07:06.02 | arton | yep |
| 07:06.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Monolit (~Strigoy@89.112.4.92.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 07:06.15 | Semlar | and pokemon |
| 07:06.21 | arton | lol |
| 07:06.35 | Semlar | hey you could level some pets, that wouldn't require any gear |
| 07:07.00 | arton | nods. |
| 07:07.21 | arton | I also want to write version 2 of my addon for MoP. |
| 07:07.37 | arton | I'll wait till the last minute on that though. :P |
| 07:07.48 | arton | It's already written, just needs to be ported to WoW from Rift. |
| 07:08.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 07:08.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 07:08.34 | Semlar | i need to write a configuration panel for my addon so people can have their own settings but i've just been putting it off |
| 07:08.43 | Esamynn | damn, that's quite the extended netsplit |
| 07:08.45 | Esamynn | I had to change servers to get back |
| 07:09.02 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:09.02 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 07:09.20 | arton | hehe |
| 07:14.14 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 07:14.14 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 07:14.14 | *** join/#wowuidev eir (~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir) |
| 07:14.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 07:14.34 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (5045e70a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.69.231.10) |
| 07:14.36 | Esamynn | seems I should have just been a tad more patient |
| 07:14.38 | Esamynn | oh well |
| 07:14.38 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:14.38 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 07:36.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou| (~Caribou@146.75-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 07:39.57 | End_ | ugh I hate it when I have ideas when I should be going to bed |
| 07:41.34 | Semlar | stupid brain |
| 07:45.07 | karl_w_w | just don't think, much easier |
| 07:45.22 | Semlar | that's what i do |
| 07:46.21 | *** join/#wowuidev dolby (~dolby-wow@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby) |
| 07:46.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o dolby] by ChanServ |
| 07:49.46 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 07:52.39 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 07:54.36 | *** join/#wowuidev arton_ (~arton@tx-184-6-179-107.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 08:00.22 | *** join/#wowuidev eir (~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir) |
| 08:07.10 | *** join/#wowuidev pb_ee1 (~pb_ee1@83.167.37.146) |
| 08:12.07 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 08:17.26 | jnwhiteh | Just a heads up guys, I move country in under two weeks, have a conference next week, and have committed the next 6-7 weeks of my life to completing my thesis and submitting it. As a result I just do not have the time to get online and test all of the different functions of my addons. If you have access to the MoP beta and are willing to test them out for me and give me good controlled bug reports, I will do my be |
| 08:17.27 | jnwhiteh | st to make sure I can fix anything before the UI patch hits live. |
| 08:17.27 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 08:20.52 | bluspacecow | so by August 28th or Sept 25th ? |
| 08:21.20 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~p3lim@32.9.9.46.customer.cdi.no) |
| 08:21.23 | bluspacecow | so we're your bug test minions now ? |
| 08:21.26 | bluspacecow | cool |
| 08:21.37 | bluspacecow | do we get complimentary long beards and beer ? |
| 08:27.54 | bluspacecow | <3 |
| 08:31.53 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 08:31.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 08:34.44 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:37.36 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@188-220-5-137.zone11.bethere.co.uk) |
| 08:37.37 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 08:39.04 | karl_w_w | there's nothing like a 0.03 mbit connection to make you hate web devs who dont know what caching is |
| 08:39.22 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 08:41.50 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, looking up js.wlxrs.com |
| 08:42.03 | Fisker | why? |
| 08:42.15 | Fisker | it's Windows Live |
| 08:43.07 | karl_w_w | yes it is |
| 08:49.22 | karl_w_w | 15 minutes drive away (without speeding) from the centre of the country's 4th largest city and I can't even send an email |
| 08:51.16 | karl_w_w | well, not within 25 minutes (and counting), so I suppose it would be faster to save it to a floppy disk and drive there |
| 08:51.27 | karl_w_w | this modern technology ey |
| 08:52.47 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 08:53.09 | Sintacks | all i hear is QQ |
| 08:53.46 | karl_w_w | how does that make you feel? |
| 08:53.55 | Sintacks | sad |
| 08:54.36 | karl_w_w | okay and why does that make you feel sad? |
| 08:55.01 | karl_w_w | do you feel your own QQ is being ignored? |
| 08:55.34 | karl_w_w | you can tell us, you won't be judged here |
| 08:56.50 | *** join/#wowuidev DefectiveUser (~smuxi@c-71-198-23-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:02.07 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 09:06.26 | *** join/#wowuidev syrae|homie (~Syrae@c-69-181-66-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:10.11 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 09:14.12 | *** join/#wowuidev quze (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 09:18.37 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 09:18.37 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 09:19.49 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 09:24.49 | *** join/#wowuidev cazic (~cazic@unaffiliated/cazic) |
| 09:24.59 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hihi |
| 09:25.11 | Fisker | i hope you go to sweden |
| 09:26.16 | jnwhiteh | 10 days |
| 09:29.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Paul1_ (~Paul1@212.224.70.58) |
| 09:33.13 | Fisker | which part of sweden jnwhiteh |
| 09:33.19 | Fisker | and what you doin'? |
| 09:35.41 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 09:35.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 09:38.37 | Humbedooh | the bad part of sweden |
| 09:39.31 | Elkano | a pre-alpha of EBB3 has been hidden on the web... ;) |
| 09:51.18 | Sintacks | heh... filing a ticket to have a quest reward item changed seems kind of stupid |
| 09:51.25 | Sintacks | Even more so, that I want an agi staff, on a mage |
| 09:51.35 | Sintacks | i'm-a get laughed at by the GM that responds to my ticket |
| 09:59.14 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 10:34.12 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaTHut (tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 10:42.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~md@mail1.retailplanit.com) |
| 11:22.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~vilkku@88-148-211-12.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 11:22.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~vilkku@unaffiliated/vilkku) |
| 11:23.10 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/dDVdu |
| 11:35.40 | *** join/#wowuidev theorbtwo (~theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 11:37.42 | bluspacecow | ~seen shirik |
| 11:37.46 | purl | shirik is currently on #norganna #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 10h 20m 55s, last said: 'gief money plz'. |
| 11:56.58 | bleeter | ~seen bluspacecow |
| 11:57.01 | purl | bluspacecow is currently on #wowuidev (2h 21m 20s) #wowace (2h 21m 20s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 19m 19s, last said: '~seen shirik'. |
| 11:57.08 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 11:57.12 | bluspacecow | i has messages ? |
| 11:57.56 | bleeter | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/7/5/12/enhanced-buzz-6291-1341506168-1.jpg |
| 12:03.24 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 12:14.45 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon (nilon@62-113-191-177.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 12:14.45 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon (nilon@unaffiliated/nilon) |
| 12:15.01 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon (nilon@62-113-191-177.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 12:15.17 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon (nilon@62-113-191-177.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 12:15.17 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon (nilon@unaffiliated/nilon) |
| 12:16.18 | *** join/#wowuidev quse (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 12:20.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.125) |
| 12:20.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 12:27.48 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 12:28.46 | bluspacecow | this is lolz ; http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/yq7mj/so_ive_had_a_printer_on_my_network_which_no_one/ |
| 12:29.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Corrodias2 (no@96-40-253-184.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:21.30 | *** join/#wowuidev purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 22:21.30 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Beta UI/API Changes forum: http://bit.ly/GMjEVC. Feel free to post what you find! || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || MoP Release Date 25 Sept 2012 || Blizzard Hacked: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html || MMOUI is 10! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43 |
| 22:21.45 | sidji | nevcairiel: and if the bus is wider than long? |
| 22:21.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 22:22.00 | arton | Sigh lo bigalo |
| 22:24.05 | *** join/#wowuidev purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 22:24.05 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Beta UI/API Changes forum: http://bit.ly/GMjEVC. Feel free to post what you find! || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || MoP Release Date 25 Sept 2012 || Blizzard Hacked: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/securityupdate.html || MMOUI is 10! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43 |
| 22:24.37 | Amarande | and nice, looking at the NA invitational teams, I see warlocks have returned to a spot of prominence in PvP :) |
| 22:24.45 | Nimhfree | but there are 4 tv boxes here. so 50 Mb (which is the next level offered) with the 4 streams would break the limit (so they say) |
| 22:25.00 | Esamynn|work | ahh, yes 4 streams would |
| 22:25.07 | nevcairiel | 10mbit is a good bitrate for full HD streams |
| 22:25.13 | nevcairiel | but its probably lower |
| 22:25.25 | Esamynn|work | my service provides up to 3 streams included, but I pay for each additional tv box beyond the first |
| 22:25.38 | Nimhfree | yes, I pay past the first box. |
| 22:25.51 | Esamynn|work | I'd say 10mbit is probably a pretty safe max |
| 22:26.13 | Nimhfree | and I cannot buy a box. the provider forces us to rent them. i hate it, and cannot wait until I can get EVERYTHING from the net |
| 22:26.30 | Esamynn|work | my current ADSL supports 2HD and 1SD and currently maxes out at about 23 or 25 mbit |
| 22:27.02 | Esamynn|work | (internet capped at 15) |
| 22:27.26 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the bitrate actually is for TV with the cable here |
| 22:27.58 | Amarande | TV is still "you hook up the rented cable box to the TV" and is completely separate from the data bandwidth allotment |
| 22:28.23 | Amarande | and you pay a fee per box |
| 22:28.48 | Esamynn|work | yah, with my ADSL connection the TV and internet share the pipe and TV gets priority, but because my real pipe is higher than my internet speed cap I generally don't notice |
| 22:29.41 | Amarande | which is not surprising, since it's generally accepted one of the major reasons that the data usage is capped per month is because they want you to pay them extra for TV-based services instead (especially pay-per-view) |
| 22:29.58 | Amarande | if the TV stuff was capped too, there wouldn't be much incentive to customers to buy PPV movies or HD channels or all the other stuff that raises your rate :P |
| 22:30.08 | Esamynn|work | I don't actually have a data cap, just a speed cap |
| 22:31.03 | Amarande | ah |
| 22:31.08 | Esamynn|work | oh, I take that back, officially there is a data cap (250GB), but they've never actively monitored my connection afaik |
| 22:32.15 | Esamynn|work | but no, they never include the TV in the cap, that would be stupid |
| 22:32.19 | prencher | usually the way those caps works is "is our network performing as expected?" if no, they go after people exceeding their caps |
| 22:32.47 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 22:33.01 | Esamynn|work | probably |
| 22:33.59 | Amarande | or in Charter's case, apparently "we're not very financially sound so let's make sure that we keep the network from having to actually push the envelope by imposing strict cap policies" |
| 22:34.11 | Nimhfree | i am lucky in that my network provider does nothing to the data network except limit its speed. there is no filtering/shaping. they are pretty good except when they do unannounced maintenance at 3am when one is trying to conduct business with India. |
| 22:34.27 | Amarande | which actually made me wonder, as I've mentioned before, about the future of human civilisation, and in fact whether a certain "UN Agenda" being bandied about as a conspiracy theory is a moot point |
| 22:34.42 | Amarande | (in fact, that it would take a government conspiracy for a major part of the alleged agenda to NOT come to pass, really ...) |
| 22:34.59 | Esamynn|work | I've been using the same ISP for ADSL since before the turn of the century, service has been rock solid, I can only remember one major outage in all of that time |
| 22:35.33 | Amarande | namely, this: Charter vs. Comcast - one of the most particular notables is that Comcast got most of the urban markets, which have the highest customer density and best profitability |
| 22:36.09 | Amarande | Charter got mostly rural markets (apparently because Paul Allen intended it that way, since he and his friends lived in a BFE near St Louis and wanted half decent Internet), which have the poorest customer density and worst profitability |
| 22:36.20 | Amarande | Charter has run into a lot of financial issues lately, which Comcast really, far as I know, hasn't. |
| 22:36.55 | Amarande | What the alleged UN agenda is about is largely that people say there's a government conspiracy to take away rural land and force people to move into cities (so that the rural land can be used for resource production, primarily agriculture, apparently). |
| 22:37.02 | Esamynn|work | Comcast is just completely unreliable (or so I have heard) |
| 22:37.13 | kd3 | o_O |
| 22:37.20 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 22:37.21 | Amarande | Government conspiracy? Looking at that, it sounds more like as people become increasingly reliant on quality digital communications, people will be pushed to move into cities simply by market realities. |
| 22:37.24 | kd3 | the apple v samsung jury already returned a verdict? |
| 22:37.49 | Amarande | It's becoming less and less fiscally viable for reliable high bandwidth, low latency Internet to be provided in BFE, basically. |
| 22:37.53 | Esamynn|work | you really think there is someone out there with that much pull? |
| 22:38.02 | Esamynn|work | *cough*bullshit*cough* |
| 22:38.34 | Amarande | With the result that as time goes by, rural areas will be less and less able to keep up with cities in digital communications, and thus people will have to move to the cities in order to avoid becoming increasingly limited digitally. |
| 22:38.46 | Esamynn|work | people just love to see a guiding hand in any complex system... |
| 22:39.11 | Amarande | Indeed, it seems like it would take a government conspiracy for things NOT to evolve in that fashion, not for them to do so |
| 22:39.44 | Esamynn|work | sounds about right |
| 22:40.07 | Amarande | Meanwhile, agriculture probably works out just perfectly in rural areas even in a highly digital society |
| 22:40.18 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@ip-64-134-175-251.public.wayport.net) |
| 22:40.24 | Amarande | I mean, what does the average farm probably only really *need* in terms of digital communications? Probably just email and occasionally sending in reports etc. |
| 22:40.34 | Nimhfree | agriculture is too influenced by weather |
| 22:40.36 | Amarande | which requires neither quality bandwidth nor low latency |
| 22:40.59 | Amarande | (and meanwhile, a lack of good digital communications down on the farm keeps your workers from slacking off on their tablets and cell phones :) |
| 22:41.07 | Esamynn|work | now you're just being totally unimaginative :P |
| 22:41.41 | Nimhfree | but in India a lot of agriculture is becoming reliant on digital communications...even for those who cannot read. what crops are sown, what fertilizers, etc. |
| 22:42.13 | Nimhfree | this is communicated between farmers, suppliers, etc. making it much better. but people will start relying on it soon. |
| 22:42.39 | Amarande | Notable is that Comcast has actually apparently changed from its previous system (where, like Charter, going over your cap was disciplined as a TOS violation and not treated as excessive services to be charged for ...) to an overages-charges based system like AT&T DSL |
| 22:42.40 | arton | lol |
| 22:43.12 | Amarande | Charter, however, has apparently yet to follow suit, and it's uncertain if they will (they'll probably start feeling the pressure to eventually, since it's presumably because of the DSL competition that Comcast decided to do it) |
| 22:43.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Sum_Wun (~sum_wun@65-36-101-251.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 22:43.45 | Amarande | Nimhfree: yeah, that pretty much comes under "send reports", though, doesn't it? |
| 22:44.21 | Esamynn|work | still needs to be reliable |
| 22:44.24 | Amarande | I can't imagine it needing large amounts of bandwidth, at any rate, unless the reports being sent are using a horribly inefficient format (like colour bitmapped-graphics PDFs or something) |
| 22:44.33 | Amarande | well, dialup is reliable, generally speaking :) |
| 22:44.35 | Nimhfree | currently, but I imagine people will start inserting these digital devices into their bodies and who knows where that will lead |
| 22:45.22 | Esamynn|work | dialup is just a method for utilizing existing infrastructure, it's useless where such infrastructure is unavailable |
| 22:45.33 | Amarande | pretty much it seems that in the absence of cable, "reliable, high bandwidth, low latency" in rural areas would be a classic "pick any two" case |
| 22:46.12 | Amarande | 3G is high bandwidth and low latency, but as everyone who's tried to IRC from their cell phone knows, the reliability is a tad sucky |
| 22:46.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 22:46.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bo gragagrogog!*@* eir] by eir |
| 22:46.38 | Amarande | Satellite is apparently reliable and high bandwidth, but the latency is awful |
| 22:46.59 | Dagmar | ...and the latency will always *be* awful |
| 22:47.02 | Nimhfree | satellite in poor weather may not be that good |
| 22:47.33 | Amarande | Dialup is reliable and doesn't have *too* horrible latency (hey, we used to be able to play FPS over it), but has low bandwidth |
| 22:48.28 | Amarande | The crux of the problem is going to be in the future how we're going to handle non-urban communications, considering that it seems like having to foot higher rollout costs for lower customer density is a recipe for disaster (this seems to be why Charter experienced bankruptcy a few years ago) |
| 22:49.19 | Esamynn|work | well, how did we get the telephone (or electric) infrastructure in place? |
| 22:49.38 | kd3 | the government? |
| 22:49.44 | kd3 | points to the TVA |
| 22:49.55 | Esamynn|work | it's the same problem |
| 22:50.12 | Amarande | Trouble is, the average person is increasingly reaching the point where it's an expected part of culture to participate in digital experiences that need a reliable connection (can't have things keep cutting out on you!), high bandwidth (need to keep up with those big data streams, especially as digital distribution increasingly supplants physical discs, and the fact that Blu-ray drives are |
| 22:50.12 | Amarande | still relatively costly only accentuates that), *and* low latency (otherwise, you get loads of kvetching about things taking forever to communicate and in games' cases, about "LPBs" again) |
| 22:50.41 | Amarande | Indeed, I remember in the days when cable was still relatively new and spotty in terms of availability in the US, "LPB" was practically a household term in gaming circles |
| 22:50.51 | Dagmar | Very little beyond video games requires super-low latency |
| 22:50.55 | Esamynn|work | LPB? |
| 22:51.04 | Dagmar | low ping bastards |
| 22:51.05 | Amarande | And the real problem was that unless you lived in the big city or were a college student you couldn't *be* an LPB |
| 22:51.20 | Amarande | Changes in game design tended to precipitate it, too |
| 22:51.28 | Amarande | There wasn't too much thought paid to ping in the original Quake, as I recall |
| 22:51.41 | Dagmar | And yet it would suck on a high-latency connection |
| 22:52.00 | Amarande | But then starting in Q2, it started to become standard fare to have slow-firing, super high power (basically, one shot one kill as the normal circumstance on a hit) weapons like the infamous railgun |
| 22:52.35 | Amarande | One thing notable about the early FPS is that there usually wasn't a railgun, sniper rifle, or other sort of quick one-shot instant-kill weapon available |
| 22:52.46 | Nimhfree | I want a BFP (big fat pipe) into MAE EAST with like 0 ping times. |
| 22:53.05 | Amarande | There was the rocket launcher, but that depended on certain tactical situations being available (e.g., "fire at their feet" and even that only started being available with Quake, since in DOOM you couldn't aim up or down) |
| 22:53.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: SO what |
| 22:53.26 | Amarande | and the weapons with instant-kill potential in DOOM were in general not very efficient by comparison |
| 22:54.03 | Amarande | (DB shotgun required you to basically be at point blank, rocket launcher was an easy way to frag yourself too half the time, and the BFG had horribly complex mechanics) |
| 22:54.22 | Amarande | oh, not to mention the BFG fired at about the speed of your average glacier :) |
| 22:54.34 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 22:54.48 | Nimhfree | so has anyone come online that knows the meaning of the fields in the questcache.wdb file for MoP beta? |
| 22:55.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: the point was that Q2 possibly came at a relatively unfortunate time in the evolution of computers |
| 22:56.10 | Amarande | It introduced the first actually efficient one-shot, didn't-require-too-much-thought, didn't-pose-risk-to-the-user killer weapon in a popular multiplayer FPS |
| 22:56.18 | Amarande | (in other words, the kind of weapon in which relative latency matters the most) |
| 22:56.29 | Amarande | at a time when the Internet really wasn't ready for it in anything remotely resembling a fair way |
| 22:56.48 | Dagmar | ...and that means people everywhere need ultra-low latency connectivity? |
| 22:57.40 | Amarande | Heh, the gaming market would probably suffer without it now |
| 22:58.48 | Amarande | Considering the erosion of the middle class, if the Internet evolved so you had to live in the city to be able to reasonably game again, it would probably relegate online games to the rich to a rather significant degree |
| 22:59.01 | Amarande | non-rich city dwellers tend to have more important things to do with the cash that they get, like paying rent |
| 23:02.55 | Dagmar | No, people would just go do it the old fashioned way more often. |
| 23:02.57 | Dagmar | LAN PARTIES |
| 23:03.44 | Dagmar | One of my first few apartments was in part of a two-story duplex with four other guys |
| 23:03.54 | Dagmar | We put cat5 in the walls ourselves. |
| 23:05.00 | Jamash | they're in the walls! |
| 23:05.03 | Esamynn|work | anyways, just to spell it out: the only way we ended up with ubiquitous, reliable telephone / electric infrastructure was through government regulation (I know that's a dirty word in the USA right now) |
| 23:05.55 | Jamash | I played quake II on a modem and I think it improved my fps skills |
| 23:05.59 | Esamynn|work | the major difference with broadband internet being it hasn't been around for nearly as long and technology moves so much faster these days that often they just can't keep up |
| 23:06.38 | Jamash | having a large, but relatively stable latency meant I had to learn to predict other players' motion, which is an invaluable FPS skill |
| 23:06.52 | Jamash | instead of just twitch-firing with hitscan weapons |
| 23:07.39 | Esamynn|work | heh, the twitchy nature of modern FPSs would be the reason I don't play PvP FPSs anymore |
| 23:07.45 | Jamash | one of my favorite mods was Rail Arena |
| 23:08.06 | Jamash | It took out all other weapons, but gave the railgun a shorter reload and much lower damage |
| 23:08.26 | Jamash | maybe half the time between shots but 1/3 or 1/4 damage |
| 23:08.31 | Jamash | so it took 3 or 4 shots to kill |
| 23:08.48 | Jamash | lots of fun |
| 23:09.18 | Jamash | jeff gerstmann on the bombcast was complaining that headshots have ruined online FPS games |
| 23:09.46 | Jamash | if you have access to a one hit kill weapon, and you're good enough with it, there's no reason to ever use anything else |
| 23:09.50 | TC-Work | next he will be bitching about how reality ruined life? |
| 23:09.54 | Jamash | actually single player too |
| 23:10.09 | Jamash | especially if AI is too dumb to react if they're being sniped |
| 23:11.22 | Jamash | people use weapons other than sniper rifles in real life TC |
| 23:12.01 | arton | lol |
| 23:12.27 | TC-Work | My point is that is reality. I realize this is a game, but they are designed to be realistic of sorts |
| 23:12.33 | Jamash | not they're not |
| 23:12.40 | Jamash | *no |
| 23:12.50 | TC-Work | yes they are |
| 23:12.56 | Jamash | go play MW3 or BF3 or TF2 and tell me that they're supposed to be realistic |
| 23:13.03 | TC-Work | i said supposed to |
| 23:13.07 | Jamash | no they're not |
| 23:13.10 | TC-Work | which they are |
| 23:13.12 | Jamash | they're supposed to be fun |
| 23:13.21 | Jamash | real war is substantially less fun |
| 23:13.25 | TC-Work | well, not TF2 |
| 23:13.29 | Jamash | not MW3 or BF3 either |
| 23:13.45 | kd3 | wait, wait, you mean I can punch someone to heal them irl? |
| 23:13.54 | Jamash | yes |
| 23:13.58 | TC-Work | well, there is gravity, and you cant walk through walls, etc. |
| 23:14.03 | TC-Work | so reality does intrude |
| 23:14.28 | Jamash | you have an astonishingly low standard for realism |
| 23:14.29 | Esamynn|work | real life is a crappy game |
| 23:14.31 | TC-Work | kd3: Abortion Punch |
| 23:14.37 | kd3 | *snrk* |
| 23:14.58 | Jamash | can you rocket jump in real life? |
| 23:15.02 | TC-Work | yes |
| 23:15.06 | TC-Work | iif i had a rocket |
| 23:15.06 | Amarande | Jamash: in my more active FPS days, actually, I tended to be most fond of the "moar dakka" type of weapons rather than the "boom headshot" kind |
| 23:15.10 | Jamash | can you survive rocket jumping in real life? |
| 23:15.15 | TC-Work | possibly |
| 23:15.18 | Jamash | mmhmm |
| 23:15.28 | TC-Work | depends on how good my armor is |
| 23:15.36 | Amarande | Indeed, when I trot out DOOM every now and then, my favourite gun is still the plasma rifle |
| 23:15.36 | Jamash | I'm done here |
| 23:15.39 | Esamynn|work | just because they aren't realistic doesn't mean they aren't partially aiming in that direction |
| 23:16.29 | Amarande | In Quake, I was a pretty diehard fan of the super nailgun |
| 23:16.42 | Jamash | the modern battles and the fields of war are designed to look kinda realistic while not being realistic at all |
| 23:16.45 | Esamynn|work | they have simply compromised on the game mechanics in order to make it more fun |
| 23:16.53 | Jamash | exactly! |
| 23:17.03 | Amarande | ahhh, realism in games |
| 23:17.15 | Jamash | gerstmann was saying that headshots sacrifice too much fun, in his opinion |
| 23:17.16 | Esamynn|work | one could argue that, in some respects, they may have gone too far towards reality |
| 23:17.24 | Amarande | Whenever this topic comes up, I like to poke a bit of fun at the CoD designers |
| 23:17.34 | Esamynn|work | on that point, I might have to agree with him |
| 23:17.35 | Amarande | specifically, a couple of design decisions featured in Black Ops, heh |
| 23:18.04 | Amarande | In Black Ops, there were no female player models, apparently because it would be unrealistic because there are no women in the Special Forces in real life |
| 23:18.07 | Amarande | However, there were zombies. |
| 23:18.13 | Amarande | Because everyone knows that zombies are SO realistic. |
| 23:18.16 | Jamash | then of course you have games like borderlands where headshots do huge damage but dudes have so many hit points that you have to shoot a guy in the head with explosive bullets 15 times to kill them |
| 23:18.29 | Jamash | no, because it would take more art team time to develop two sets of player models |
| 23:18.48 | TC-Work | but that games moves way far away from reality |
| 23:18.55 | Amarande | Jamash: my theory was (although I don't think it actually happened) that they wanted to hold back the possibility of additional player models to sell them as DLC later |
| 23:19.03 | Jamash | if you want realism go play ARMA |
| 23:19.07 | Dagmar | Jamahs: That's why you play MORDECAI |
| 23:19.16 | Jamash | Dagmar: I *am* playing mordecai |
| 23:19.25 | Dagmar | Then get a decent gun, dude |
| 23:19.34 | Jamash | I'm on second playthrough |
| 23:19.38 | Amarande | Indeed, the holding back of content to sell it as DLC or an expansion pack later has been a reality for all too long |
| 23:19.53 | Jamash | borderlands' damage equation is waaaaay too level based |
| 23:19.53 | Dagmar | The only ones who don't drop ffrom a single headshot are bosses and those nasty steroidal juggernauts |
| 23:19.56 | Amarande | Apparently, Black Isle actually first designed the original Baldur's Gate with Tales of the Sword Coast included |
| 23:20.05 | Amarande | and then actually cut out TotSC to sell it later as an expansion |
| 23:20.11 | Jamash | yes, the nasty steroidal juggernauts |
| 23:20.13 | Esamynn|work | all I can say is... dying in a half second is not fun, I can't react that fast and games that require that kind of reaction time are quite limited in their potential appeal |
| 23:20.16 | Esamynn|work | imo |
| 23:20.42 | Jamash | I need to try out the new-ish coop modes in tf2 and smnc2 |
| 23:20.48 | Jamash | er, smnc |
| 23:20.54 | Amarande | (I don't think it's ever been out and said, but there is certain evidence in the game files: most notably, the fact that the original game had gaps in the area numbers, which ... well, basically all ended up corresponding to TotSC area numbers :P) |
| 23:21.16 | Jamash | I like how the new tf2 mode has brought queues to fps |
| 23:21.28 | Amarande | By comparison, Throne of Bhaal's area numbers didn't interweave with BG2, suggesting that that expansion was created afterwards rather than torn out to sell separately |
| 23:21.38 | Dagmar | You could always queue for a non-regulated "doesn't count" server |
| 23:22.02 | Jamash | oh they've upped the server count |
| 23:22.03 | Dagmar | ...although I would agree they should maybe put some more server instances up to kill that queue |
| 23:22.04 | Jamash | brb |
| 23:22.10 | Amarande | Esamynn: yeah, FPS reaction times, and indeed a lot of action games in general are rather too twitchy a lot of the time |
| 23:22.34 | Amarande | And I'm saying this as someone who played (and was quite decent at) a Mesmer in Guild Wars |
| 23:22.46 | Amarande | which means, I was interrupting one-second-cast spells on a regular basis, so it's not like I'm slow :) |
| 23:23.21 | Amarande | It makes me quail at a certain common evolution in RPGs on consoles, too :( |
| 23:23.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:23.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 23:23.46 | Jamash | ah, sweet, I got a party hat |
| 23:23.58 | Amarande | There are a lot of so-called console "RPGs" lately that actually turn out to be pretty much Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden style gameplay, just with a few extra numerically visible stats to make them look more like an RPG, but they're really more DMC/NG style action games |
| 23:24.19 | Amarande | and ... I'm pretty awful at DMC, and know better than to attempt Ninja Gaiden (besides, I play on Sony consoles, NG is AFAIK still an Xbox exclusive) |
| 23:24.35 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: I have no problem with shooter RPG (ie. Mass Effect), I just don't play them on a console :) |
| 23:24.46 | Xinhuan | how about calling it "hack and slash" |
| 23:24.51 | Amarande | heh, we're not talking shooter RPG, we're talking more "ninja-twitch" RPG |
| 23:25.00 | Esamynn|work | oh |
| 23:25.06 | Esamynn|work | haven't played any of those |
| 23:25.15 | Amarande | and, again, I'm not a total slow shlub, I was always fond of the Wild Arms series, which had quite a lot of puzzles where you had to time things just so |
| 23:26.00 | Amarande | (in general, frustrations I faced in WA games usually boiled down more to that the controls weren't really responsive enough to be especially comfortable for the timing required for a given puzzle, rather than the timing itself being all that bad) |
| 23:26.21 | Amarande | which was a problem with a fair number of older console games really |
| 23:26.52 | Amarande | especially ones where a lot of fast movement was required, but the console didn't support (or the game didn't support, in the case of some PSOne titles) the use of analog joysticks and you had to use the four-direction d-pad to do it |
| 23:27.34 | Amarande | Some PS1 titles would let you use the joystick and it would act the same as the d-pad, but not all (omg xenogears) |
| 23:27.53 | Amarande | (though, Xenogears has a kick ass enough story to make you masochistic enough to attempt it again despite this) |
| 23:27.55 | Torhal | Holy walls-of-irrelevant-text, Batman! |
| 23:28.21 | Amarande | Esamynn: are you familiar with games like Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry or the like? |
| 23:28.40 | Esamynn|work | no, not really |
| 23:28.42 | Amarande | ah |
| 23:29.12 | Amarande | now, to get back to actual WoW UI stuff. :) |
| 23:29.26 | Amarande | something I just realised lately, made me sheepish, and wondering if there's an addon to help avoid it in the future |
| 23:30.11 | Amarande | is there an addon that will modify tradeskill tooltips to show the number of the item the particular recipe will craft, in the case of recipes that make multiples of an item at once? |
| 23:30.51 | Amarande | since I was planning out engineering mats before actually obtaining the skills in question, I ended up thinking I needed way more volatile air than I actually do |
| 23:31.15 | Amarande | since I didn't realise that the electrified ether recipe made 2-3 at a time |
| 23:31.32 | Amarande | and, I noticed, there's no indication of this in the tooltip - only in the actual tradeskill window when you have learned the recipe and are going to craft it |
| 23:31.40 | Amarande | is there any addon that will show those quantities in the tooltips? |
| 23:33.25 | Amarande | or are tooltips sufficiently hard-coded text-wise that it's not possible to do? |
| 23:36.16 | Esamynn|work | directly adding things to game tooltips is generally gonna be iffy at best |
| 23:36.29 | Esamynn|work | you can attach a 2nd tooltip to the bottom or something, though |
| 23:43.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Ladyblink (~Ladyblink@c-68-59-192-73.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 23:43.59 | foxlit | http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/rMBP-_battery_comparisons.001.png << heh. |
| 23:44.13 | Ladyblink | good god. i need a spyder monitor calibration tool for home/personal/freelance use so badly. :( |
| 23:45.29 | foxlit | so buy one? |
| 23:46.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Corrodias (no@96-40-253-184.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) |
| 23:46.31 | Arrowmaster | speaking of monitors anybody know if newegg or amazon has the better return policy on monitors? |
| 23:46.34 | kd3 | those things aren't cheap |
| 23:46.59 | foxlit | kd3: they aren't exactly expensive compared to the cost of a PC or a decent digital camera either. |
| 23:47.26 | Ladyblink | i will but it isnt happening in time for this flyer that needs to go out. |
| 23:47.45 | Iriel | Ladyblink: Best buy / apple used to carry them (not spyder, but similar ones) |
| 23:47.47 | Ladyblink | sooo i'm gonna do the spot color thing |
| 23:47.54 | Iriel | Ladyblink: no idea if they do anymore |
| 23:47.57 | Arrowmaster | get a colorhug http://www.hughski.com/ |
| 23:48.18 | Ladyblink | Well, what's funny is that I got to work, where my monitor is calibrated, and it turned out exactly like the printer's test print aka way to friggin dark |
| 23:50.08 | Ladyblink | id say 20% darker than @ home viewing |
| 23:50.10 | Ladyblink | >.< |
| 23:50.24 | Corrodias | color calibration is only going to reduce the number of colors your system is capable of displaying unless it's altering the LUT in the display itself. |
| 23:50.31 | Iriel | Out of the box monitor settings are usually super bright and saturated |
| 23:50.52 | Iriel | Corrodias: that does somewhat depend on the source material too |
| 23:51.13 | Iriel | Corrodias: but if you have ACCURACY requirements, that's a reasonable tradeoff |
| 23:52.17 | Ladyblink | I couldn't tell you how it works, but it works. I worked at a place where one of my co-workers maintained the calibration of our printers and our monitors and consulted with epson to help change their 3d colorspace or something |
| 23:52.36 | Ladyblink | we literally had 2 people dedicated to doing nothing but checking and comparing color of print to sample |
| 23:52.46 | Amarande | So, I'm guessing the Apple lawsuit means that a lot of shelves at Radio Shack and Best Buy are going to be abruptly empty? |
| 23:53.08 | Iriel | Amarande: I suspect right now it just means more lawyers are going to make more money |
| 23:53.18 | Kaelten | doubt that, but it's going to have a lot of implications over the next few years |
| 23:54.05 | Ladyblink | i do know the spyder has its own calibration software that applies the calibration on boot |
| 23:54.52 | Iriel | Right, but Corrodias is correct that for "naive" software that means that the normal range of RGB is remapped to achieve correct response |
| 23:55.07 | Iriel | And so the theoretical number of distinct colors is actually lower |
| 23:55.40 | Iriel | it's worth noting that one of the things a good calibrator does is helps you adjust the monitor's settings to be as good a match as possible to the desired space |
| 23:55.41 | Corrodias | essentially aliasing of the colors to a smaller space |
| 23:56.23 | Corrodias | a monitor for professional graphics work can have an editable LUT, but you won't find that on most models |
| 23:56.51 | Iriel | But an application working with a source image with more than 24 bits of color can always change ITS mapping to achieve the same result without sacrificing (useful) color precision |
| 23:57.14 | Iriel | I dont know how common that is in the real world tho |
| 23:57.37 | Iriel | Personally I tend to rely on my spyder more to keep my 2nd monitor consistent with my main, than to over-stress about exact proofing. |
| 23:57.54 | Iriel | If my livelihood depended on print output I'd likely change that position |
| 23:58.08 | Ladyblink | well i do work with web and print, and web is really the wildest due to everyone having different monitors. Since calibrating at work, my prints have been spot on. |
| 23:58.25 | Ladyblink | but i also include the pms process spot checks just in case |
| 23:58.40 | Iriel | Even web's not TOO bad when source material's consistently sRGB |
| 23:59.58 | Arrowmaster | i almost though about getting one of the $1000 NEC 2490s back when all the monitor manufacturers started going wide gaumet |
