| 00:00.11 | Vladinator | Torhal you lost me, was Abyssal Maw that funny? :P |
| 00:00.19 | mckenziemc | maybe if we offer Torhal as a sacrifice. |
| 00:00.19 | Torhal | Just listened to that link :P |
| 00:00.29 | Vladinator | oh :D |
| 00:00.34 | Vladinator | I found that song kind of funky |
| 00:00.44 | Corrodias | man, that phage therapy sounds great, until one mutates into yet another rampaging human disease |
| 00:00.48 | Vladinator | btw your name is better in US |
| 00:02.00 | Jamash | naw phages can't infect human cells |
| 00:02.16 | Jamash | the real scary thing is if the phages transfer genes between bacteria |
| 00:02.56 | Semlar | and then it becomes sentient |
| 00:03.11 | mckenziemc | stabs Semlar. |
| 00:03.20 | Semlar | ow |
| 00:03.27 | Semlar | my spleen |
| 00:03.51 | Vladinator | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 00:05.02 | Jamash | long tail |
| 00:05.30 | mckenziemc | oh wow ama didn't make it to the longest lines one |
| 00:05.44 | Vladinator | he has heavy competition |
| 00:06.50 | Vladinator | ~who's mckenziemc |
| 00:06.55 | Vladinator | ~whois mckenziemc |
| 00:06.55 | purl | Any code touched by mckenziemc is tainted. |
| 00:07.00 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 00:07.22 | Neffi | How is that set? |
| 00:07.25 | Neffi | ~whois Neffi |
| 00:07.29 | mckenziemc | touches Vladinator's code. |
| 00:07.35 | Jamash | oh btw for auction prices czech https://theunderminejournal.com/ |
| 00:07.36 | Neffi | is nobody. =( |
| 00:07.37 | Vladinator | ~moon mckenziemc |
| 00:07.37 | purl | ACTION drops his pants and shows mckenziemc a full moon. mckenziemc drops over dead at the sight. |
| 00:07.39 | Jamash | it's super awesome |
| 00:07.45 | mckenziemc | purl, Neffi is nobody |
| 00:07.45 | purl | okay, mckenziemc |
| 00:07.57 | Neffi | purl, Neffi is somebody |
| 00:07.57 | purl | ...but neffi is already something else... |
| 00:08.06 | Neffi | no purl, Neffi is somebody |
| 00:08.08 | Vladinator | purl, no, Nefi is your mother |
| 00:08.08 | purl | okay, Vladinator |
| 00:08.17 | Vladinator | purl, forget Nefi |
| 00:08.17 | purl | i forgot nefi, Vladinator |
| 00:08.20 | Vladinator | typo :P |
| 00:08.27 | Neffi | purl, forget Neffi |
| 00:08.28 | purl | i forgot neffi, Neffi |
| 00:08.48 | Vladinator | purl, do you remember when we took long walks at the beach? |
| 00:08.48 | purl | yes, I remember when we took long walks at the beach. |
| 00:08.54 | Vladinator | <3 |
| 00:09.01 | Neffi | purl, I love you |
| 00:09.01 | purl | You love you? |
| 00:09.12 | Neffi | purl, I love purl |
| 00:09.12 | purl | You love purl? |
| 00:09.23 | Neffi | There's no pleasing this guy |
| 00:09.26 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:09.27 | mckenziemc | (long time0 |
| 00:09.30 | mckenziemc | ) |
| 00:09.48 | Jamash | purl, do you remember love? |
| 00:09.48 | purl | yes, I remember love. |
| 00:09.51 | Dagmar | Oh if I could just jupe the bot right now |
| 00:10.09 | Dagmar | <purl> Well, I don't really love you but I'll still take that hummer |
| 00:10.23 | Jamash | purl, what is love? |
| 00:10.24 | purl | Jamash: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:10.28 | Neffi | purl, forget love |
| 00:10.28 | purl | Neffi: i didn't have anything called 'love' to forget |
| 00:10.48 | foxlit | http://www.xkcdb.com/?633 |
| 00:10.56 | Neffi | purl, love is <reply> What is love, baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me, no more. |
| 00:10.57 | purl | If you love is <reply> What is love, baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me, no more. so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 00:11.18 | Jamash | huh |
| 00:11.25 | Jamash | I love lamp |
| 00:11.30 | Jamash | purl, I love lamp |
| 00:11.31 | purl | You love lamp? |
| 00:11.31 | Neffi | purl reminds me of cleverbot sometimes |
| 00:11.38 | Jamash | man purl is bad at this |
| 00:11.45 | Neffi | purl, what is love? |
| 00:11.46 | purl | Neffi: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:11.46 | Jamash | purl, love lamp |
| 00:11.46 | purl | If you love lamp so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 00:11.55 | Vladinator | cleverbot is way better girlfriend than purl is |
| 00:12.09 | Jamash | purl, what is cleverbot |
| 00:12.09 | purl | it has been said that cleverbot is http://cleverbot.com/ |
| 00:12.31 | Vladinator | purl, what are the law of robotics? |
| 00:12.32 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Vladinator |
| 00:12.32 | Neffi | purl, what is purl? |
| 00:12.32 | purl | hmm... purl is the only good thing about sc2mapster |
| 00:12.50 | Neffi | purl, purl is arrogant |
| 00:12.50 | purl | ...but purl is already something else... |
| 00:12.57 | Neffi | purl, no, purl is arrogant |
| 00:12.57 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 00:13.06 | Vladinator | purl, what is perl? |
| 00:13.06 | purl | perl is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 00:13.30 | Neffi | That other P language? Anyone know what tat is? |
| 00:13.35 | Semlar | python |
| 00:13.38 | Vladinator | PHP |
| 00:13.39 | Semlar | it's probably a good thing my bot isn't in here |
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| 00:13.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:13.47 | Jamash | no python is that P language |
| 00:13.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:13.50 | Jamash | perl is that other P language |
| 00:13.50 | Neffi | Also that handhelds link is out of date |
| 00:14.07 | Neffi | purl, what is lisp? |
| 00:14.07 | purl | from memory, lisp is a theory that unexpectedly became a programming language http://paulgraham.com/icad.html |
| 00:14.12 | Jamash | purl, who is number one? |
| 00:14.12 | purl | ACTION hands one a card with 42 written on it |
| 00:14.21 | Jamash | huh |
| 00:14.22 | Semlar | minka is number one |
| 00:14.29 | Neffi | purl, Lisp is (((()))) |
| 00:14.30 | purl | (((((is (((())))))))) |
| 00:14.44 | Jamash | O_O |
| 00:14.47 | Vladinator | purl, do you love? |
| 00:14.47 | purl | yes, I love. |
| 00:14.49 | Neffi | he gets it |
| 00:14.52 | Vladinator | purl, do you love me? |
| 00:14.52 | purl | yes, I love me. |
| 00:14.56 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:14.57 | Jamash | hahahaha |
| 00:15.20 | Jamash | purl, do you love lua_bot? |
| 00:15.20 | purl | yes, I love lua_bot. |
| 00:15.25 | Jamash | kinky |
| 00:15.36 | Neffi | They would make beautiful babies |
| 00:15.43 | Jamash | lua> print "purl, marry me" |
| 00:15.43 | Neffi | purl, mate with lua_bot |
| 00:15.44 | lua_bot | Jamash: purl, marry me |
| 00:15.52 | Jamash | foo |
| 00:15.55 | Vladinator | purl, do you support republicans or democrats? |
| 00:15.56 | purl | yes, I support republicans or democrats. |
| 00:16.15 | Neffi | purl, what is democrats? |
| 00:16.16 | purl | Neffi: what are you talking about? |
| 00:16.25 | Neffi | purl, democrats is obama |
| 00:16.25 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 00:16.38 | mckenziemc | ~echo lua> print "do you want to kill Jamash with me?" |
| 00:16.38 | purl | lua> print "do you want to kill Jamash with me?" |
| 00:16.39 | lua_bot | purl: do you want to kill Jamash with me? |
| 00:16.39 | purl | yes, I want to kill Jamash with me. |
| 00:16.48 | mckenziemc | darn |
| 00:16.50 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:16.58 | Neffi | clever |
| 00:17.00 | Jamash | spam |
| 00:17.22 | Vladinator | ~echo lua> print "tell mckenziemc Awesome!" |
| 00:17.22 | purl | lua> print "tell mckenziemc Awesome!" |
| 00:17.23 | lua_bot | purl: tell mckenziemc Awesome! |
| 00:17.31 | arton | bot abuse |
| 00:17.50 | Neffi | It's fun. Don't be a downer. |
| 00:18.04 | Jamash | just don't cause an infinite loop |
| 00:18.08 | Neffi | purl, arton is Mr. Buzz Killington |
| 00:18.08 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 00:18.18 | Jamash | purl, who is arton? |
| 00:18.18 | purl | rumour has it, arton is Mr. Buzz Killington |
| 00:18.18 | Vladinator | ~echo lua> print "~echo lua> print "last time :P" |
| 00:18.18 | purl | lua> print "~echo lua> print "last time :P" |
| 00:18.18 | lua_bot | purl: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'time' |
| 00:18.27 | Vladinator | nested quotes lol |
| 00:18.33 | mckenziemc | Jamash: i'm afraid to experiment with ping :< |
| 00:18.41 | Vladinator | ~echo lua> print "~echo lua> print 'last time :P'" |
| 00:18.41 | purl | lua> print "~echo lua> print 'last time :P'" |
| 00:18.42 | lua_bot | purl: ~echo lua> print 'last time :P' |
| 00:18.45 | Neffi | I'm afraid to see infinite loop flood |
| 00:18.56 | Vladinator | I halt |
| 00:19.03 | Jamash | halt and catch fire |
| 00:19.17 | Vladinator | purl, who will win the election? |
| 00:19.31 | Jamash | will. |
| 00:19.35 | kd3 | the corporations, who else? |
| 00:19.43 | Neffi | purl, Neffi will win the election |
| 00:19.55 | Neffi | too abstract for purl? |
| 00:20.00 | Jamash | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire |
| 00:20.36 | Vladinator | What's up with american socialist hate? |
| 00:20.40 | Vladinator | Or is it a media thing? |
| 00:20.53 | Neffi | Well any media thing becomes a hivemind thing |
| 00:20.58 | Neffi | Americans are like ants. Or bees. |
| 00:21.00 | Neffi | Or apes. |
| 00:21.02 | Semlar | it goes back to the cold war era |
| 00:21.28 | Neffi | Yeah we had an era when communism was seen as the greatest possible evil |
| 00:21.32 | Dagmar | It's an "I dont' understand economics" thing |
| 00:21.39 | Neffi | The idea still lingers in some small form |
| 00:22.23 | Jamash | it's just standard "apply a label that doesn't mean anything as a smear" politics |
| 00:22.48 | Vladinator | so no one here hates me for being pro socialist? :P |
| 00:22.51 | Neffi | That's pretty much the definition of American politics |
| 00:22.57 | Neffi | We're not a smart people |
| 00:23.53 | Vladinator | Ill take the silence as "back out Vlad, slowly" *:P |
| 00:24.01 | Jamash | I'm a socialist |
| 00:24.08 | Semlar | sorry, i was getting my pitchfork |
| 00:24.32 | kd3 | did someone say pitchfork-wielding angry mob? |
| 00:24.34 | Jamash | socialist when used in the media is used as code for communist, and communist is used as code for fascist, and fascist is used as code for nazi |
| 00:24.41 | kd3 | grabs his out of the garage |
| 00:24.43 | foxlit | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FINO << amusing. |
| 00:24.57 | Jamash | so when someone calls obama a socialist they're saying he's actually hitler |
| 00:25.12 | Neffi | Yes |
| 00:25.19 | Neffi | That's what Fox News tries to convey |
| 00:25.25 | Vladinator | lol |
| 00:25.48 | Neffi | Among a lot of other bad propaganda like science is the devil's work, global warming is a conspiracy and evolution has been disproven by the scientific community |
| 00:26.30 | Vladinator | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---warren-buffett-vs--wealthy-conservatives :D |
| 00:26.34 | Vladinator | lol |
| 00:28.11 | Jamash | if god had meant for republicans to think he would have given them brains |
| 00:30.14 | Vladinator | I really enjoy the World of Class Warfare segment :P |
| 00:30.17 | Vladinator | (2 parts) |
| 00:33.57 | Jamash | I think we should have a tax on lies |
| 00:34.15 | Jamash | that would solve the fox news problem and close the budget gap |
| 00:36.38 | Neffi | There's no clear distinction on what's a lie. If they believe it, it's not a lie. |
| 00:36.47 | Neffi | Libel can bring a hefty lawsuit though |
| 00:37.20 | Vladinator | the definition of a lie doesn't depend on the believing part tough, but I understand what you really mean :P |
| 00:37.29 | Jamash | if you say something that is false after being informed that it is false and shown evidence that it's false then you're lying |
| 00:37.37 | Jamash | belief doesn't enter into it |
| 00:37.51 | Vladinator | "To lie is to deliver a false statement to another person which the speaking person knows is not the whole truth, intentionally." |
| 00:37.58 | Jamash | what I said |
| 00:38.03 | Neffi | That if you have sufficient proof. Evidence doesn't always hold up. |
| 00:38.17 | Vladinator | you believing me doesn't make it no longer a lie, just harder to prove it's a lie since people will give me the gaze of shame :P |
| 00:38.18 | Neffi | In such a perfect world, creationists wouldn't logically exist. But they do. |
| 00:39.01 | Vladinator | many scientists are actually cold shouldered by others when they speak concepts that go against what is commonly known |
| 00:39.23 | Vladinator | saw a documentary about it, it's shame, those on the documentary went insane or commited suecide, the pressure was one factor |
| 00:39.24 | Vladinator | :( |
| 00:39.57 | Jamash | uh |
| 00:39.58 | Jamash | what |
| 00:40.42 | Vladinator | :P nvm |
| 00:40.57 | Jamash | are you talking about actual scientists or cold fusion and free energy types |
| 00:41.13 | Jamash | 'cause the latter are already crazy |
| 00:41.33 | Neffi | Tesla was called crazy too |
| 00:41.39 | Jamash | tesla was crazy! |
| 00:41.43 | Jamash | crazy awesome! |
| 00:41.45 | Vladinator | like mathematicians talking about concepts that aren't considered real science or that go against what is commonly known |
| 00:41.54 | Neffi | There's a fine line between crazy and genius |
| 00:41.55 | Jamash | dude you can do anything in abstract math |
| 00:42.00 | Jamash | there are no boundaries |
| 00:42.13 | Vladinator | the point is don't make it worse by going "you are wrong give up" |
| 00:42.20 | Jamash | if you want to talk about applications of math, yes |
| 00:42.32 | Neffi | You assume there are boundaries in the real world. Maybe practically, but many boundaries are consequences of our limited understanding. |
| 00:42.33 | Vladinator | it doesn't help anyone, besides it's more waisting your own time bashing on someone that does something you find valueless :P |
| 00:42.36 | Jamash | I'm not talking about taxing controversial topics anyway |
| 00:42.51 | Jamash | I'm talking about factual statements that are verifiably false |
| 00:43.16 | Neffi | There are enough scientists doing practical stuff. I'm glad there's a few here and there to do crazy and probably useless stuff. Once in a while they might make an unexpected breakthrough. |
| 00:43.21 | Jamash | like "fracking doesn't pollute water tables" "deep ocean drilling is safe" |
| 00:43.31 | Jamash | "global warming is not happening" |
| 00:43.47 | Vladinator | "PHP is useless" |
| 00:43.58 | Jamash | see that's a matter of opinion |
| 00:44.10 | Vladinator | I was waiting for Adys but respond :P |
| 00:44.10 | Jamash | not objectively verifiable |
| 00:44.19 | Neffi | It's not useless if it can teach you a good lesson about how not to make a language |
| 00:44.22 | Neffi | =P |
| 00:44.38 | Vladinator | Wait for Adys, he can probably objectively verify why PHP is useless :P |
| 00:44.47 | Adys | Vladinator: All you're doing is getting on my nerves |
| 00:44.53 | Adys | so fuck off and let everyone have their opinions, k? |
| 00:44.55 | Vladinator | I know, I do it on purpose |
| 00:45.08 | Adys | i don't care if you do it on purpose or not |
| 00:45.15 | Adys | it's annoying, rude and pretty idiotic |
| 00:45.36 | Vladinator | If it annoys you I'll stop, but speak up, can't read emotions over chat. |
| 00:45.52 | Adys | I'm speaking up right now |
| 00:46.17 | Vladinator | Noted. Though it wouldn't hurt before you got angry :( |
| 00:46.28 | Adys | I'm not angry |
| 00:46.30 | Adys | this is how I talk |
| 00:46.38 | Stanzilla | hey jerome |
| 00:46.40 | Stanzilla | how are you today |
| 00:46.42 | Adys | hey Stanzilla |
| 00:46.44 | Adys | fuck off Stanzilla |
| 00:46.52 | Stanzilla | yay |
| 00:47.12 | Gnarfoz | hey Benjamin, how are you today? |
| 00:47.14 | Adys | actually no |
| 00:47.17 | Gnarfoz | tonight, that is |
| 00:47.19 | Adys | what I meant to say was "fuck that loser" |
| 00:47.20 | Stanzilla | pretty good, Christian |
| 00:47.28 | Gnarfoz | that's nice to hear |
| 00:47.30 | Stanzilla | and you? |
| 00:47.46 | Jamash | I can't keep track of two sets of names |
| 00:47.46 | Vladinator | Oh well, I kind of try too hard to fit in, kind of not feeling it, kind of shame. I guess Torhal is the closest person I know, and Gnarfoz. :P |
| 00:47.49 | Adys | seriously, stop it with the real names on irc, it's like walking in a business meeting with your cock hanging out of your fly |
| 00:47.50 | Jamash | use handles damn it |
| 00:47.58 | Stanzilla | rofl Adys |
| 00:48.10 | Vladinator | "kind of not fitting in"* |
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| 00:48.58 | Gnarfoz | I'm sorry, but I don't know you much at all. From what I've been reading the last few $timeunits, you're starting to feel more and more like Amarande2, though |
| 00:49.03 | Adys | Vladinator: don't think too much of it, I can be a bit of a twat |
| 00:49.07 | Jamash | Vladinator: just because people make fun of you doesn't mean you don't fit in |
| 00:49.15 | Stanzilla | Adys is like teh uber twat |
| 00:49.23 | Jamash | also, just because people make fun of you doesn't mean you fit in |
| 00:49.26 | Gnarfoz | better than an über tweet |
| 00:49.29 | Stanzilla | but I still like him |
| 00:49.56 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: You still have to do the #mmo-champion thing. |
| 00:50.05 | Gnarfoz | invent cross-network invites! |
| 00:50.11 | Stanzilla | stuff to read http://www.diablofans.com/news/1321-official-104-patch-notes-and-patch-104-confirmed-for-tomorrow/ |
| 00:50.21 | Jamash | aw yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:50.24 | Vladinator | What thing, Gnarfoz? |
| 00:50.29 | Adys | Vladinator: this is how much of a twat I am: |
| 00:50.31 | Adys | % ls |
| 00:50.31 | Adys | adys.is.stupid.bak/ caches/ doc/ img/ mpq/ src/ tor/ web/ |
| 00:50.54 | Gnarfoz | should've named all directories in such a way that they form the sentence |
| 00:51.02 | Jamash | ls adys.is.stupid.bak |
| 00:51.08 | foxlit | heh, backup files on the same filesystem. |
| 00:51.18 | foxlit | won't save you from your stupid rm -fr . / |
| 00:51.22 | Adys | Jamash: artifacts.png assert2.png assert3.png assert4.png assert5.png assert.png Cache.back/ downloads/ Extensions/ rlf.bak |
| 00:51.26 | Gnarfoz | how would you know they're on the same filesystem, foxlit |
| 00:51.31 | Jamash | yeah foxlit |
| 00:51.35 | Adys | foxlit: actually they're not |
| 00:51.38 | Adys | they're in /media/data |
| 00:52.00 | Gnarfoz | best android directory: /data/data |
| 00:52.03 | Gnarfoz | so meta |
| 00:52.11 | Adys | this directory is from when I fucked my system up like a giraffe fucks a coffee bean |
| 00:52.17 | Jamash | wait what |
| 00:52.31 | Adys | i had to wipe the hd and back up what i had |
| 00:52.34 | Jamash | anyway best directory is /dakka/dakka/dakka/ |
| 00:52.42 | Gnarfoz | TAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKA |
| 00:53.05 | Jamash | then you hard link /dakka/dakka/dakka/ to /dakka/dakka/dakka/dakka |
| 00:53.09 | Gnarfoz | (\o/ cherry mx blue) |
| 00:54.07 | Shadowed | nevcairiel I hate you |
| 00:54.18 | Shadowed | your blizzard compact raid frame solution double hooks everything :| |
| 00:54.24 | Shadowed | and I assume it was you cause the style is different |
| 00:54.38 | Vladinator | can you hooksecure hooksecure? :# |
| 00:54.40 | Amarande | hrm. wouldn't it work to mkdir /dakka ; ln -s /dakka /dakka/dakka ? |
| 00:54.53 | Jamash | insuficcient |
| 00:54.56 | Corrodias | http://www.gatheryourparty.com/articles/2012/08/20/diablo-3-team-trashes-series-creator-online/ |
| 00:55.00 | Jamash | can never have enough dakka |
| 00:55.29 | Amarande | Jamash: if you link /dakka/dakka to /dakka, then you can keep changing to another level of dakka without having to make more actual folders :) |
| 00:55.45 | Amarande | because every time, it links back to itself, so you end up in the same folder which still has moar dakka for you to cd to :) |
| 00:56.11 | Gnarfoz | damnit Stanzilla, why is xda-dev such a cesspool of fucking morons |
| 00:56.31 | Vladinator | who is xda-dev? |
| 00:56.36 | Jamash | that's why I said hard link |
| 00:56.52 | Jamash | softlinks aren't dakka enough |
| 00:57.03 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: because Fisker |
| 00:57.27 | Gnarfoz | Vladinator: http://forum.xda-developers.com and it's not a person. |
| 00:58.11 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: well, he just buys new shit over and over again, I doubt he'd hang around such a place. but he might be to blame regardless |
| 00:58.44 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: he's there to download roms |
| 00:58.47 | Stanzilla | tainting the place |
| 00:58.55 | Gnarfoz | now that'd be nice |
| 00:58.58 | Amarande | ahh, I see Blizzard finally figured out better terminology for certain Diablo-verse items |
| 00:58.59 | Gnarfoz | taint system for android |
| 00:59.04 | Amarande | they're now "legendary" instead of "unique" :) |
| 00:59.11 | Stanzilla | facepalms |
| 00:59.27 | Amarande | It always seemed odd before. In D2, for instance, rare items were actually unique, while unique items were just rare, heh |
| 01:00.10 | Jamash | Amarande: my thoughts exactly |
| 01:00.32 | Gnarfoz | when your thoughts line up with Amarande's, I'd start worrying |
| 01:00.36 | Jamash | although at one point you literally couldn't pick up a second copy of a "unique" |
| 01:00.40 | Jamash | so there was that |
| 01:00.45 | Gnarfoz | still that way |
| 01:00.56 | Jamash | really? they never fixed that? |
| 01:01.01 | Amarande | Jamash: you couldn't? |
| 01:01.02 | Gnarfoz | what's to fix? |
| 01:01.10 | Jamash | ... |
| 01:01.11 | Gnarfoz | there's unique-equipped for that |
| 01:01.16 | Amarande | As I remember, you can have as many copies of the same unique as you want in D2 |
| 01:01.29 | Gnarfoz | the "fix" you're thinking of is removing the "unique" tag from most items |
| 01:01.36 | Jamash | diablo II doesn't have unique-equipped |
| 01:01.43 | Amarande | It just won't drop more than once in the same game, and prior to Lord of Destruction, you also had to mule the item off to another character because uniques that you had in inventory used to not drop either |
| 01:01.48 | Gnarfoz | d2? :o |
| 01:01.49 | Jamash | ^ |
| 01:02.04 | Gnarfoz | ^? |
| 01:02.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:02.10 | Gnarfoz | v! |
| 01:02.11 | Jamash | ^ = "what he said"\ |
| 01:02.15 | Vladinator | ^ |
| 01:02.16 | Gnarfoz | who? |
| 01:02.21 | Jamash | s/\\// |
| 01:02.32 | Jamash | the person the carat is pointing at |
| 01:02.36 | Jamash | it's an up arrow |
| 01:02.37 | Gnarfoz | that'd be me |
| 01:02.37 | Vladinator | v |
| 01:02.43 | Kaylin | yes unique items in DIablo II will only drop once per game (note this is checked on a per monster basis so a first drop of a unique off say diablo in a game instance can drop more than one of the same unique) |
| 01:02.45 | Jamash | I was pointing at amarande |
| 01:02.52 | Gnarfoz | oh well, that might work on your end |
| 01:03.05 | Jamash | point is you can't have a SOJ based economy if you can only have one SOJ |
| 01:03.09 | Kaylin | unique already dropped is one condition of a failed unique item, a rare item with 3x the normal durability |
| 01:03.10 | Gnarfoz | true ;p |
| 01:03.17 | Amarande | The only true-unique items (as in a WoW unique sense) in D2 are the unique charms that were added in 1.10 and later |
| 01:03.24 | Gnarfoz | (in any case, all I said was thinking of WoW and should still be accurate) |
| 01:03.25 | Amarande | Those you really can only pick up one of at a time |
| 01:03.29 | Kaylin | (on hardcore) |
| 01:03.35 | Jamash | was it only that they wouldn't drop? |
| 01:03.36 | Kaylin | you can have one on your corpse |
| 01:03.38 | Jamash | it's been a while |
| 01:03.42 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah, it was only that they wouldn't drop |
| 01:03.46 | Jamash | ah |
| 01:03.56 | Amarande | a unique that had already dropped in the game would instead be replaced by a rare (with triple durability, if of an item type that has durability) |
| 01:04.03 | Vladinator | I am going to bed, good night |
| 01:04.15 | Jamash | I just remember stuff about people having to mule off rings to get a second one |
| 01:04.23 | Jamash | didn't remember the deatils |
| 01:04.26 | Amarande | Before LoD, it was a little different. Uniques that were in people's inventory also counted as ineligible to drop in the same game. |
| 01:04.29 | Kaylin | yea that was changed in like 1.04 or something ancient |
| 01:04.32 | Jamash | s/deatils/details/ |
| 01:04.54 | Amarande | They also had it such that if there were multiple uniques of the same type, instead of falling back to a rare, it would automatically choose a unique of that type that had not dropped |
| 01:05.02 | Amarande | This is why people valued Nagelring and Manald Heal so much in pre-LoD |
| 01:05.09 | Kaylin | ^ |
| 01:05.19 | Jamash | because they would make it more likely to drop a soj? |
| 01:05.22 | Amarande | Not only did Nagel have MF, but if you had both on you, they became ineligible to drop, which meant a unique ring drop HAD TO be SoJ |
| 01:05.29 | Jamash | heh |
| 01:05.58 | Amarande | Whereas now SoJ's are hard to come by legitimately, because at best, a unique ring drop gives a 1:31 chance of giving an SoJ |
| 01:06.09 | Jamash | DII was weird and kind of messed up in a lot of ways that people don't like to remember |
| 01:06.23 | Amarande | I played D2 for many years and only ever saw one drop |
| 01:06.30 | Kaylin | has seen 6 |
| 01:06.36 | Kaylin | (post 1.10) |
| 01:06.55 | Amarande | It's also why Normal Diablo and Nightmare Andariel are good farming targets |
| 01:06.55 | Jamash | I also think it's funny when people call diablo III "too bright and colorful" http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BDCqpuwRnf4/TCyJdE0d8uI/AAAAAAAAF9E/HKP4vQ5dEtA/s1600/diablo+2.jpeg |
| 01:07.27 | Amarande | as in LoD, they introduced a "qlvl" system for uniques. a unique may only drop if its ilvl is at least equal to the qlvl of the specific unique |
| 01:07.28 | Kaylin | less than 93k to go! |
| 01:07.43 | Kaylin | http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum |
| 01:07.52 | Amarande | since for mob dropped items, ilvl = monster level, to get the best chance of SoJ you want mobs that are at least level 39 but not higher than 52 |
| 01:08.01 | Amarande | Only two act bosses (normal D and nightmare Andy) fit the bill |
| 01:09.02 | Jamash | ah |
| 01:09.12 | Amarande | well ... unless you play a non-expansion character, in which case 39+ is sufficient, because the higher unique rings (53+ is bad because then you get access to two more unique rings that aren't really as good, and are each ten times as likely as SoJ) are not available unless you play a LoD character |
| 01:09.54 | Kaylin | course monster levels work differently in classic |
| 01:10.13 | Jamash | TMI IMO TLDR |
| 01:10.15 | Amarande | Kaylin: not sure that's actually the case anymore, I think mlvl obeys LoD rules in both cases now |
| 01:10.49 | Amarande | although since mlvls were nerfed pretty strongly in LoD it became more a matter of LoD monster levels by and large becoming closer to classic ones |
| 01:11.34 | Jamash | I saw a post on the forums that said that the biggest shift in tone from DII to DIII isn't the art, it's the music, which I agree with |
| 01:11.38 | Kaylin | mlvl should be based off the area level if the area level is higher than the monster level in LoD, I am pretty sure it doesn't work this way in classic. |
| 01:12.50 | Jamash | warcraft II and diablo I had the best music, they've lost a lot of the booming percussion and creepy atmospheric effects in favor of generic orchestral game music |
| 01:13.12 | Kaylin | they've lost a lot of Matt Ulemen (sp?) |
| 01:13.13 | batbot | Kaylin, nothing found. |
| 01:13.17 | Amarande | Classic max generic-bosspack level was 83, pre-1.10 LoD bosspacks went to 93, post-1.10 LoD bosspacks (and I think classic ones too) max at 88 |
| 01:13.17 | Neffi | My account is closed. Can a warlock test what (if any) the 2nd arg to UNIT_POWER is when you gain a soul shard? |
| 01:13.18 | Kaylin | ... |
| 01:13.32 | Amarande | Classic and pre-1.10 LoD Diablo was 90, post-1.10 I think is 94 in both mods |
| 01:13.34 | Jamash | on live or mists? |
| 01:13.50 | Jamash | @neffi |
| 01:13.56 | Kaylin | yes, classic the only 85 area is chaos so |
| 01:14.02 | Kaylin | they'll max at 88 |
| 01:14.06 | Neffi | If you can, both. But they'll almost certainly be the same. |
| 01:14.07 | Kaylin | there is no tc90 anymore |
| 01:14.10 | Kaylin | anyway |
| 01:14.13 | Neffi | So live if you don't wanna go through the trouble of both |
| 01:14.32 | Jamash | tip of the day is that autohotkey is gonna steal my account |
| 01:14.45 | Jamash | oh "browser addons" |
| 01:14.47 | Jamash | huh |
| 01:14.51 | Jamash | wonder what they're talking about there |
| 01:15.05 | Neffi | That browser addons have access to secure input fields at Battle.net |
| 01:15.10 | Neffi | Which I don't believe they actually do |
| 01:15.18 | Kaylin | idk what level the mobs are there though I'd need to look |
| 01:15.26 | Jamash | does it matter if it's soul harvest or from drain soul? |
| 01:15.40 | Kaylin | people say Urdar or w/e give good xp but I haven't checked their level compared to other mobs etc |
| 01:15.47 | Kaylin | TBH I just don't care enough =/ |
| 01:16.22 | Neffi | Jamash: As long as you're gaining a shard |
| 01:16.34 | Jamash | UNIT_POWER, "player", "SOUL_SHARDS" |
| 01:16.39 | Jamash | live |
| 01:16.41 | Neffi | awesome |
| 01:16.44 | Neffi | Gotta update Wowpedia |
| 01:17.02 | Jamash | browser addons can have access to anything |
| 01:17.04 | Neffi | Thank you |
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| 01:17.46 | Jamash | they can read and edit the structure of the page you're viewing to submit your battle.net form to battle.net.keylogger.cn |
| 01:18.23 | Jamash | @neffi: yw |
| 01:25.11 | Neffi | Does Happiness have any meaning whatsoever anymore, or does it just exist on API pages from pre-Cata hunter pets? |
| 01:25.34 | Neffi | eg WowProgramming claims UnitPower understands ptype 4 (pet happiness) |
| 01:25.52 | Jamash | no such thing |
| 01:26.17 | Neffi | Good. One more thing I don't have to implement. |
| 01:26.25 | Jamash | watcha workin' on |
| 01:27.13 | Neffi | nfUnitFrames from nfUI |
| 01:27.23 | Neffi | neff-ui @ google code |
| 01:27.36 | Neffi | Oh, wow-neffui @ google code |
| 01:27.40 | Neffi | I don't even know my own page |
| 01:29.01 | Neffi | Are there any good addon profilers out there? Something that I can watch statistics in real time and have them graphed (like Recount, but for CPU/RAM churn/etc)? |
| 01:29.49 | Neffi | (Don't tell me I have yet another addon to write. :( ) |
| 01:39.26 | Mr_Rabies | fisker done got dissed |
| 01:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | Tesla's Elon Musk calls the Fisker Karma a 'mediocre product at a high price' |
| 01:41.08 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Fisker |
| 01:41.08 | purl | fisker has karma of 20 |
| 01:41.26 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker-- |
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| 01:56.23 | kd3 | oh, wow |
| 01:56.29 | kd3 | the steam hardware profiler checks wine version now |
| 01:59.43 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 02:00.18 | kd3 | (dunno if this got through) oh wow. the steam hardware profiler checks wine version |
| 02:00.24 | ccox | sadly, steam games are still failing with some video cards on Macintosh |
| 02:00.28 | ccox | and yeah, it got through |
| 02:02.24 | Neffi | People are assholes |
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| 02:02.48 | Neffi | Surrounded by players that are obviously there, and not one is willing to whisper me to help me test an addon |
| 02:04.01 | kd3 | wow; my old phone battery ballooned in size, but not like this: http://i.imgur.com/nDXAw.jpg |
| 02:13.04 | Neffi | Somebody convince me that it's bad practice to construct a new chat frame and just reroute any anonymous prints to it, as well as listening to chat_msg events manually. |
| 02:13.33 | Neffi | It's so much easier than hacking away at what's already there to achieve precisely the control over the chat I want. But I know there's a reason I shouldn't. I just don't know what that reason is. |
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| 02:24.13 | Adys | kd3: its always checked the wine version |
| 02:24.17 | Adys | at least for over a year |
| 02:24.22 | kd3 | huh |
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| 03:10.39 | xyphoid | http://worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012 went away? hmm |
| 03:13.18 | Torhal | !addon chatalerts |
| 03:13.23 | lua_bot | ChatAlerts (v. 4.2.0-1.3.1) last updated Jul 6 2011</td><td valign=top class=listone style="font-size: 10px;"> (http://is.gd/sUJEmq) |
| 03:13.34 | Torhal | Neffi: ^ |
| 03:14.23 | Neffi | What about it? |
| 03:14.31 | Torhal | Chat stuff. Dunno. |
| 03:15.15 | Neffi | Oh I'm doing a chat frame addon. It's just a bitch to work out everything past the default UI. I'm considering scrapping the default chat frame and totally replacing it. |
| 03:15.39 | Neffi | Only issue I can think of is when addons call :AddMessage when they're supposed to be calling print() |
| 03:15.51 | Dagmar | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tuUjA-d315IJ:worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
| 03:16.10 | Torhal | Neffi: Hook AddMessage on all the chatframes. |
| 03:16.14 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 03:16.18 | Dagmar | Perhaps their lawyer felt it best if they didn't have that work of fiction around |
| 03:16.29 | Neffi | Torhal: But the default chat frame uses :AddMessage too, so other stuff will show up. |
| 03:16.40 | Torhal | Neffi: Eww. |
| 03:16.43 | Neffi | Unless I unregister all events. Duh. I guess I got it. |
| 03:17.21 | Shadowed | They completely removed comments on the site |
| 03:17.23 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: print() is for debugging only |
| 03:17.30 | Neffi | I disagree |
| 03:17.31 | Shadowed | they most likely are just trying to clean up everything that made them look bad |
| 03:17.59 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: considering any addon can change where print() outputs too, its for debugging only |
| 03:18.18 | Neffi | It makes a nice clean hook. Any official soruce that we're only supposed to use it for that? |
| 03:18.40 | Arrowmaster | no but its dirty to use it for anything else |
| 03:18.52 | Shadowed | print is for debugging, Arrowmaster is right |
| 03:19.10 | Neffi | Taken under advisement. Not gonna change my addons though. |
| 03:19.15 | Neffi | Unless I actually see an issue. |
| 03:19.35 | Arrowmaster | and if you try to replace the chatframes you are going to run into major taint issues with part of the window management code in the default ui |
| 03:19.50 | Arrowmaster | ive tried it before |
| 03:19.55 | Neffi | :Hide, :UnregisterAllEvents |
| 03:20.11 | Neffi | hooksecurefunc(chat, 'RegisterEvent', chat.UnregisterEvent) |
| 03:20.11 | Shadowed | heh |
| 03:20.13 | Neffi | hidden |
| 03:20.17 | Neffi | no CPU used |
| 03:20.26 | Arrowmaster | right dont try to touch the CHATFRAME# varribles though |
| 03:20.31 | Neffi | Oh no |
| 03:20.54 | Neffi | I'll hook the AddMessage to transparently reroute things. It'll be like replacing the tooltip. Hopefully. |
| 03:24.40 | Jamash | who says you're not supposed to use print() |
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| 03:25.36 | Arrowmaster | you cant guarentee where it will show up |
| 03:25.47 | Jamash | you can't guarantee where anything will show up |
| 03:25.48 | Arrowmaster | or if it will show up at all |
| 03:26.24 | Arrowmaster | right but print() has a builtin way to change what it does |
| 03:26.32 | Arrowmaster | !api setprint |
| 03:26.33 | lua_bot | setprinthandler: Sets a new function to be used for `print()` output (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/setprinthandler) |
| 03:26.37 | Jamash | [citation needed] |
| 03:26.47 | Neffi | See I did not know that |
| 03:27.10 | Neffi | I remember when it was added, seeing no clarification. IIRC the setprint function wasn't mentioned in the API change forum post. |
| 03:27.15 | Jamash | so according to you, how can one "guarantee" where something will show up? |
| 03:28.11 | Arrowmaster | if you use ChatFrame1:AddMessage() then the message should be displayed in ChatFrame1 unless somebody like Neffi makes an addon that purposefully redirects it |
| 03:28.29 | Jamash | that sounds the same to me |
| 03:28.51 | Torhal | ChatFrame2:AddMessage() |
| 03:28.55 | Torhal | What now? |
| 03:28.56 | Torhal | :P |
| 03:28.57 | Shadowed | print can be redirected or blocked arbitrarily and has no guarantee something will show up, or will show up where you want it |
| 03:29.06 | Shadowed | ChatFrame#:AddMessage implies it's going to a chat frame of that number that it will show up in |
| 03:29.15 | Shadowed | eg, when you do ChatFrame1, it will go into the generic "main" chatframe |
| 03:29.16 | Neffi | But the point he's making is that by logic and convention, doing an :AddMessage will always print your message in a visable way. print() specifically has a convention and built-in feature to make this not so. |
| 03:29.30 | Arrowmaster | right, with print you are just saying 'print this, i dont care where just print it' |
| 03:29.31 | Shadowed | Neffi is doing something non-standard, and at that point, any issues he causes are his fault |
| 03:29.46 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 03:29.50 | Shadowed | but that's because he's overriding the standard of ChatFrame#, not because he's overriding print |
| 03:29.56 | Shadowed | which has no real standard |
| 03:30.09 | Gnarfoz | you should know how to deal with people who think they know better than everyone else - there's so many of them around ;p |
| 03:30.58 | Jamash | I mostly use DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage, I'm just dubious that using print() is ever going to cause problems that AddMessage won't |
| 03:31.33 | Jamash | if someone is screwing around with chat output they can screw around with whatever they like |
| 03:32.21 | Arrowmaster | some author could decide they want their debug output changed to chatframe4 and change print() to output to chatframe4 and forget to remove it in the release version |
| 03:32.40 | Jamash | has anyone here ever used setprinthandler? |
| 03:33.01 | Arrowmaster | remember print() is the only way to get any output from secure header code |
| 03:33.09 | Jamash | is it now |
| 03:33.14 | Jamash | I've never used secure header code |
| 03:33.28 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: print() in secure code is a wrapper around DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 03:33.34 | Jamash | lol |
| 03:33.50 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: it doesnt use setprinthandler? |
| 03:34.00 | Jamash | it's secure code! |
| 03:34.08 | Jamash | setprinthandler could be used for NEFARIOUS PURPOSES |
| 03:34.17 | Gnarfoz | pretty obvious loophole that would be |
| 03:34.20 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
| 03:34.20 | Jamash | twirls his moustache |
| 03:34.26 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: It does, but the default one is to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 03:34.34 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 03:34.49 | Jamash | you're giving me mixed signals here shadowed |
| 03:34.54 | Shadowed | Jamash you are still wrong |
| 03:34.58 | Shadowed | if that's what you're confused about |
| 03:35.00 | Jamash | your face is wrong! |
| 03:35.09 | Neffi | Jamash: Well no, because printing is only output. I'd like to see something nefarious injected into secure code by shoving it into an entry-only point. Anal aside. |
| 03:35.20 | Jamash | you mean exit |
| 03:35.23 | Neffi | exit-only |
| 03:35.24 | Neffi | damit |
| 03:35.39 | Arrowmaster | thats also why they have a special function to call to change the state from secure to insecure |
| 03:35.58 | Jamash | well like I said I've never dealt with secure code aside from action buttons |
| 03:36.09 | Jamash | I've never done the snippet thing |
| 03:37.05 | Jamash | looks like aside from debug output I use print() exactly twice in my addon |
| 03:37.21 | Jamash | easily fixed |
| 03:37.27 | Esamynn | the secure code stuff is pretty air-tight, people have been banging at that for years |
| 03:37.39 | Esamynn | not to mention the massive effort that went into the original design |
| 03:38.14 | Shadowed | I don't think there's been a majority security hole in the secure code for a long time? |
| 03:38.33 | Shadowed | The last one I can recall was the chat issue, but that wasn't the secure code, that was the chat frames parser |
| 03:38.41 | kd3 | s/a major security hole/any ease of use/ |
| 03:38.50 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 03:38.50 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 03:39.24 | Jamash | I remember beta when someone wrote a script that would do corpse running for you |
| 03:39.56 | Jamash | and blizzard said uh yeah we're removing access to movement functions and also compass orientation |
| 03:40.24 | kd3 | hell, I thought autorunners made it live, just |
| 03:40.29 | Jamash | I don't think so |
| 03:40.30 | Esamynn | they did |
| 03:40.34 | Jamash | really? |
| 03:40.34 | kd3 | remembers an auto-potion mod |
| 03:40.48 | Esamynn | remembers auto-travel mods |
| 03:40.48 | Jamash | I know you could automate a hell of a lot but I thought movement went out during beta |
| 03:40.54 | Shadowed | They were live for a bit |
| 03:40.57 | Jamash | ah |
| 03:41.03 | Esamynn | til like 1.2 or something |
| 03:41.07 | Jamash | amazing |
| 03:41.17 | Esamynn | first came the "hardware event" |
| 03:41.21 | Jamash | right |
| 03:41.27 | Esamynn | then later, the concept of taint |
| 03:41.42 | Esamynn | which evolved progressively throughout 1.x |
| 03:41.52 | Esamynn | then 2.0 was the big lockdown |
| 03:42.05 | Esamynn | and the birth of secure headers (such as the group header) |
| 03:42.37 | Esamynn | taint only locked movement, iirc, until 2.0 |
| 03:42.41 | Jamash | ~tainted |
| 03:42.41 | purl | SUBMIT YOURSELF TO THE TAINT! |
| 03:42.42 | End_ | yup |
| 03:42.44 | End_ | I remember! |
| 03:42.56 | End_ | we got to play with taint before we realllly had to deal with it |
| 03:43.15 | End_ | I remember when we did know what it was, so we were trying to figure it out |
| 03:43.19 | Kaylin | you can still play with... oh nevermind |
| 03:43.23 | End_ | didn't* |
| 03:43.27 | Esamynn | ~poke Kaylin |
| 03:43.27 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Kaylin, pokes Kaylin repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:43.38 | Jamash | "angry molesting tree" |
| 03:43.52 | Neffi | No, back in BC when the new secure system was implemented, somebody found a total loophole through it. Allows execution of anything secure and protected. I remember somebody making a full addon bot with it. Was patched pretty quick though. |
| 03:44.13 | End_ | that might be |
| 03:44.23 | Neffi | If they hadn't replaced the forum, the posts referring to it would still be up |
| 03:44.27 | Esamynn | heh, I remember the TBC alpha went live with NO ability for AddOns to create unit frames, or cast spells, or anything |
| 03:44.40 | End_ | yea |
| 03:44.43 | End_ | people were pissed |
| 03:44.52 | Esamynn | bows |
| 03:44.56 | Neffi | I wasn't making addons then. I could only imagine what it was like. |
| 03:45.00 | Esamynn | you're welcome =D |
| 03:46.55 | End_ | you helped with the secure frame stuff? |
| 03:47.04 | End_ | well you and iriel are the bestest |
| 03:47.10 | Esamynn | -- SecurePartyHeader and SecureRaidGroupHeader contributed with permission by: Esamynn, Cide, and Iriel |
| 03:47.11 | End_ | and everyone else I forget about |
| 03:47.23 | End_ | oh I guess its Cide I forgot about |
| 03:48.05 | Esamynn | was the primary author and deserves all the credit! |
| 03:48.07 | Torhal | wags his finger at Kaylin. |
| 03:48.09 | Thunder_Child | that dude is around as much as shifuimam |
| 03:48.10 | End_ | well |
| 03:48.11 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 03:48.14 | Thunder_Child | i meant Shirik |
| 03:48.15 | Esamynn | all complaints should goto Blizzard ;) |
| 03:48.16 | End_ | I will give you most of the credit then :P |
| 03:48.22 | End_ | and all of the blame |
| 03:48.41 | Jamash | according to wowpedia, movement functions were protected in 1.10 :-O |
| 03:48.43 | Esamynn | no, Blizzard gets the blame, I'm just taking the credit ;) |
| 03:48.49 | End_ | NOPE |
| 03:48.53 | End_ | and yeah that sounds right |
| 03:48.54 | Iriel | Neffi: I think the bug you're thinking of might have been the securecalled chat handler and macro scripting |
| 03:48.55 | Esamynn | protected by TAINT |
| 03:49.01 | Esamynn | in 1.10 |
| 03:49.03 | Adys | A repair tab has been added to the Blacksmith |
| 03:49.04 | Adys | DIABLO 3 IS WORTH PLAYING AGAIN. |
| 03:49.05 | End_ | yeah |
| 03:49.05 | Jamash | a wild iriel appears! |
| 03:49.11 | End_ | previous it just required a hardware event |
| 03:49.13 | Esamynn | protected by hardware event long before that |
| 03:49.16 | Jamash | Adys: hi5 |
| 03:49.21 | Adys | hi5!!!!1 |
| 03:49.35 | Esamynn | iriel: that sounds right, it certainly rings a bell |
| 03:49.38 | Jamash | hardware events are trivial to generate though |
| 03:49.44 | Jamash | like, with a gamepad |
| 03:49.44 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 03:49.53 | Esamynn | which is why taint was developed |
| 03:49.54 | Neffi | Iriel: I specifically remember somebody cracking movement functions as well |
| 03:50.17 | End_ | if you can get code to be secure |
| 03:50.22 | End_ | you could do anything with the api |
| 03:50.29 | Jamash | I remember people getting around non-movement "hardware event required" restrictions by macroing stuff to wasd |
| 03:50.30 | Shadowed | The point of things like hardware event protection is to make it impossible for an addon to do it |
| 03:50.48 | Adys | Fixed a bug that allowed players to see properties of unidentified items |
| 03:50.49 | Adys | lol |
| 03:50.51 | Shadowed | because it turns it into an easy TOS issue |
| 03:50.56 | Jamash | so that the macro would get triggered often enough to make no difference |
| 03:50.57 | Esamynn | End_: yes, "secure" code can do anything, no restrictions whatsoever |
| 03:51.05 | Jamash | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 03:51.27 | Jamash | well, anything the api can do |
| 03:51.30 | Adys | "Fired the idiot who didn't secure this at all" translates to "Fixed a bug" in corpspeak |
| 03:51.35 | End_ | as much as taint can be a pain sometimes to debug, I'm pretty happy with the system in place |
| 03:51.47 | End_ | I mostly wish the default ui used the secure stuff more :P |
| 03:51.58 | Iriel | The biggest challenge (which is why the secure handler code is so tricky) is that running with "god abilities" is the only way to detect tampering |
| 03:51.59 | Jamash | you still can't write a web browser even if you could break the secure code wall |
| 03:52.01 | End_ | since that's where taint bites us |
| 03:52.21 | Shadowed | Default UI uses the secure stuff where it can, but it'll never fully use it because it would require rewriting the entire thing |
| 03:52.21 | Esamynn | I feel we owe Slouken a huge thanks for never giving up on the addon system (and for putting it in in the first place) |
| 03:52.31 | End_ | I suppose that's true |
| 03:52.40 | Jamash | Shadowed: they should rewrite the entire thing anyway :P |
| 03:52.46 | Jamash | so crufty |
| 03:52.55 | Jamash | refactor, rinse, repeat! |
| 03:52.57 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Jam |
| 03:52.57 | purl | ACTION slaps Jam around with a slice of cheddar |
| 03:53.00 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Jamash |
| 03:53.00 | purl | ACTION slaps Jamash around with a piece of edam |
| 03:53.11 | Jamash | ~fiskerslap Esamynn |
| 03:53.11 | purl | ACTION slaps Esamynn around a bit with Fisker. |
| 03:53.13 | Neffi | They stand to gain nothing Jam, but many man-hours wasted, and every single addon broken |
| 03:53.29 | Jamash | I don't mean the api, I mean the code |
| 03:53.34 | Jamash | that implements the api |
| 03:53.35 | Neffi | Sure the default UI could be more efficient. But with such a large project, that's not the end-goal. |
| 03:53.40 | Shadowed | Same thing |
| 03:53.47 | Jamash | pfffffffffffft |
| 03:53.47 | Shadowed | Rewriting the core UI would break quite a lot of addons |
| 03:54.00 | Jamash | they should hire me to rewrite the core ui |
| 03:54.03 | Neffi | If I were to write it from scratch, it would be a totally different beast. But going in and changing something that's been in place for that long would be a tremendous undertaking. |
| 03:54.05 | Esamynn | that's the LEAST of the reasons preventing a rewrite :P |
| 03:54.14 | Shadowed | and that |
| 03:54.29 | Jamash | I'm talking about refactoring, not ripping out root and branch |
| 03:54.39 | Esamynn | remember, TSquared feeds on the tears of the authors of broken addons |
| 03:54.46 | End_ | it's true |
| 03:54.52 | Jamash | what's tsquared |
| 03:54.53 | Neffi | Oh there are definitely areas in FrameXML they should refactor or totally rewrite. But meh. |
| 03:54.55 | mruser | joel on refactoring. |
| 03:54.57 | Neffi | They seem to be busy enough |
| 03:55.19 | Esamynn | Jamash: and they do that, as they get time to do so |
| 03:55.32 | Jamash | oh I know |
| 03:55.36 | Jamash | kd3 sends me diffs |
| 03:55.43 | Jamash | that I don't read |
| 03:55.45 | Esamynn | Jamash: TSquared is one of the UI blues |
| 03:55.48 | Jamash | but I look at the numbers |
| 03:56.39 | End_ | I read the diffs |
| 03:56.45 | End_ | also I complain when he forgets to attach them |
| 03:57.23 | Jamash | Esamynn: ah |
| 03:57.58 | Esamynn | but yah, I remember hole after hole working it's way into the game through the addon system during 1.x... but Slouken never gave up on the idea of giving us as much power as reasonably possible when he easily could have thrown up his arms and just locked us out |
| 03:58.21 | Esamynn | he put a lot of his own time into the addon system, it was his baby, right from the get go |
| 03:58.40 | Jamash | well, I'm sure blizz realized fairly rapidly that addons made wow a better game than it ever would have been otherwise |
| 03:58.52 | Jamash | look at city of heroes and how terrible its ui is |
| 03:59.08 | Esamynn | oh, I'm sure that once it was in and such a success he certainly got support |
| 03:59.14 | End_ | yeah |
| 03:59.21 | End_ | in retrospect it has helped a ton |
| 03:59.29 | Esamynn | but I'm fairly certain it was his brain child to begin with |
| 03:59.44 | Jamash | cosmos anyone? |
| 04:00.04 | Torhal | I remember it. |
| 04:00.09 | End_ | wasn't cosmos before we even had addons...just framexml |
| 04:00.11 | End_ | during the beta |
| 04:00.22 | Jamash | yes |
| 04:00.38 | Jamash | everyone just dumping all their crap into one big bucket |
| 04:00.46 | Esamynn | I remember, when I was brand new to wow, like lvl 10 making the trip to IF as a Nelf for the first time... someone told me about cosmos, I thought it was a hack like what plagued D2 |
| 04:00.56 | End_ | hehe |
| 04:01.03 | Esamynn | late 04, early 05, something like that |
| 04:01.08 | End_ | well, it was overriding game files :P |
| 04:01.11 | Jamash | using config.wtf to store addon data |
| 04:01.15 | Jamash | that was a mess |
| 04:01.42 | Esamynn | like it had a choice? :P |
| 04:01.54 | Jamash | it was never intended to have more than like 100 lines so when addon authors started saving thousands of lines of data something broke and started randomly corrupting the file |
| 04:02.53 | End_ | Then there was RegisterSavedVariable or whatever |
| 04:02.54 | Esamynn | a single SV file |
| 04:02.58 | Esamynn | aye |
| 04:03.00 | End_ | yea |
| 04:03.01 | Jamash | the savedvariables folder was like magic |
| 04:03.11 | kd3 | but still broke |
| 04:03.13 | kd3 | constantly |
| 04:03.14 | Esamynn | and addon's data disappeared if disabled, even for a single session |
| 04:03.17 | Jamash | heh |
| 04:03.23 | Jamash | registerforsave! |
| 04:03.26 | End_ | yeah having per-addon data was really good |
| 04:03.28 | Esamynn | that's the one |
| 04:03.52 | Arrowmaster | it still exists |
| 04:04.01 | Arrowmaster | its just protected |
| 04:04.14 | End_ | it's even still used for a few variables I think? |
| 04:04.23 | Esamynn | oh yah, I forgot it was still there |
| 04:04.25 | Jamash | don't know why, you'd think they'd have come up with something better by now |
| 04:04.27 | End_ | not many though |
| 04:04.43 | Esamynn | if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 04:04.48 | Esamynn | welcome to game development |
| 04:04.51 | Jamash | if it ain't fixed, don't break it |
| 04:05.09 | End_ | CHANNELPULLOUT_OPTIONS is the only thing in mine |
| 04:05.18 | Esamynn | Jamash: I submit to you, the wow mapping system |
| 04:05.27 | Jamash | ugh |
| 04:05.36 | Esamynn | that is the worst, god awful quagmire.... |
| 04:05.41 | Jamash | I disagree with the word "system" |
| 04:05.45 | End_ | yeah it's a pain |
| 04:05.52 | Torhal | Jamash: kludge? |
| 04:05.58 | End_ | thus why I no longer maintain any addons that deal with it ;-) |
| 04:05.59 | Jamash | yeah that's about right |
| 04:06.00 | kd3 | utter fucking disaster |
| 04:06.06 | Esamynn | just use Astrolabe, it's like magic </shameless self promotion> |
| 04:06.11 | End_ | well that and I didn't want to have an addon I had to update -every- patch |
| 04:06.19 | End_ | but that was another story |
| 04:06.24 | kd3 | doesn't swear much when talking about wow internals, but good god the maps |
| 04:06.25 | End_ | and yeah Astrolabe is pretty swell |
| 04:07.43 | Jamash | I've never written anything that dealt with it, but I've seen addons (and the base ui for that matter) that interact with it break enough times to know how weird it is |
| 04:07.54 | Esamynn | ha |
| 04:07.59 | Esamynn | you have no clue |
| 04:08.00 | Esamynn | trust me |
| 04:08.18 | kd3 | ok, time to stop thinking about maps before I start breaking out the hard liquor |
| 04:08.29 | Esamynn | kd3: been there, done that |
| 04:08.33 | Esamynn | literally |
| 04:08.52 | Esamynn | Scotch Whiskey in my case |
| 04:08.57 | Jamash | see now you're getting me interested |
| 04:09.07 | Jamash | tell me more about how bad maps are |
| 04:09.11 | Torhal | Haha |
| 04:09.18 | Esamynn | ~silence Jamash |
| 04:09.19 | purl | ACTION shoves an apple in Jamash's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 04:09.29 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 04:09.33 | Jamash | rude |
| 04:10.20 | Jamash | time to level up my diablo III alts |
| 04:10.23 | Esamynn | honestly, I had no idea if that factoid even existed |
| 04:10.35 | Jamash | I've nearly got all five classes out of Normal |
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| 04:18.29 | Kraps | Jamash, that sounds like fun but boring |
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| 04:25.27 | Torhal | Kraps: o.O |
| 04:25.40 | Torhal | That sounds awesome yet shitty? |
| 04:25.41 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:25.52 | Kraps | yep |
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| 04:26.44 | Kraps | better than farming gold on my monk |
| 04:27.53 | Jamash | dude I love smashing demons |
| 04:27.58 | Jamash | also setting them on fire |
| 04:28.08 | Jamash | and pincushioning |
| 04:28.17 | Jamash | and whatever it is witch doctors do |
| 04:28.29 | Jamash | and explding them |
| 04:28.43 | Jamash | s/l/lo/ |
| 04:35.00 | Ackis | game of thrones theme song sung by a cat |
| 04:45.31 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 04:47.05 | arton | purrs. |
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| 05:01.48 | Kraps | O_o http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yikph/diablo_3_game_director_to_diablo_12_project_lead/ |
| 05:02.33 | Kaylin | yea lol |
| 05:03.15 | Kraps | the fuck is going on anymore |
| 05:04.03 | Kaylin | evidently since I take everything literally, some losers are getting more action than me, even if it is from sweaty d3 devs. |
| 05:05.29 | Corrodias | fuck that guy, he doesn't like superawesomegame |
| 05:05.35 | Corrodias | that everybody loves |
| 05:07.51 | Kraps | hey at least the wow team arent shitheads |
| 05:07.56 | Kraps | ...right? |
| 05:08.30 | Kaylin | go back to saving the whales! or something >_> no really I like ghostcrawler he seems like a pretty chill guy. |
| 05:09.15 | Kaylin | actually I like lots of people @ Blizzard from what little I have interacted with them @ Blizzcon or other places, it seems just as a whole it could use some growling at, they need more gnomes fewer murloc slave drivers. |
| 05:09.25 | Kaylin | also they killed techbot.support :( he was my friend. |
| 05:09.37 | Corrodias | i dunno. i haven't interacted with WoW in years. |
| 05:09.52 | Corrodias | at the time, the forums were a rampaging shithouse of unmoderated posts |
| 05:10.01 | Kaylin | oh I'm sure they still are |
| 05:10.04 | Corrodias | game was okay, though |
| 05:10.07 | Kaylin | the Internet is the Internet. |
| 05:10.15 | Corrodias | yes, but some forums actually ban people on occasion |
| 05:10.20 | Corrodias | for being jerks |
| 05:10.32 | Kaylin | Blizzard bans people too often, just not the right people. |
| 05:10.33 | Esamynn | Kaylin: thank you Cpt. Obvious |
| 05:11.08 | Kraps | the forums havent changed |
| 05:11.36 | Kraps | but thats irrelevant to the larger picture |
| 05:11.38 | Corrodias | at least they haven't pulled an EAware and started banning people from the game for criticizing it on the forum. as far as i know. |
| 05:12.02 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:12.36 | Kaylin | I miss cd-key mutes, does wow do that? it was awesome for classic bnet |
| 05:14.12 | Kraps | maybe wilson will get fired so everyone can shut up about him already |
| 05:15.02 | Ackis | hellgate london was more fun than D3 :( |
| 05:18.10 | Kraps | >:( |
| 05:18.11 | arton | damn my gear is outdated. |
| 05:18.30 | arton | 360 avg ilvl |
| 05:18.48 | arton | People are running around with nearly 400 avg ilvl :/ |
| 05:20.30 | Kraps | lots of drama today |
| 05:21.05 | Kraps | theres pony convention drama too but no one cares |
| 05:21.18 | Fisker | Invulnerable Minions has been removed as a possible affix |
| 05:21.20 | Fisker | y u do dis? |
| 05:21.23 | Kaylin | oh? did somebody go as a horse instead of a pony? |
| 05:21.27 | Esamynn | ~lart Fisker |
| 05:21.27 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Fisker's head off |
| 05:21.33 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:21.59 | Kaylin | imagines a unicorn running around with tons of fans being like NOOO PONIES ONLY |
| 05:22.16 | arton | beams a flashlight at Fisker. "BURN!!" |
| 05:22.35 | Kraps | someone at the west coast convention tumblrd a list of shitty behaviors she observed |
| 05:23.06 | Kraps | both tumblr and the pony reddit are lit up |
| 05:31.22 | Torhal | http://imgur.com/EZKOY |
| 05:31.52 | Esamynn | rofl |
| 05:35.02 | AcidWeb | Morning |
| 05:40.37 | arton | What happens to justice points when the expansion hits? |
| 05:40.55 | End_ | they probably keep being justice points |
| 05:41.01 | arton | They're not cleared then? |
| 05:41.26 | End_ | I don't think so, although a cap might be enforced |
| 05:41.30 | End_ | at that point |
| 05:41.32 | arton | nods. |
| 05:43.58 | Kaylin | yea still jp but it will cap down to 4000 again. also you ofc need to be able to use a piece of gear to buy it, so you can't buy new 85 gear until you are 85 and have the faction rep for the piece. |
| 05:44.08 | Kaylin | (that's with valor) |
| 05:44.14 | Kaylin | idk @ justice if it requires rep prob not |
| 05:44.19 | Kaylin | anyway I need to go to bed |
| 05:44.20 | Kaylin | gn |
| 05:47.44 | End_ | I think he meant 90 |
| 05:47.45 | End_ | but yeah |
| 05:48.21 | End_ | and jp gear requires honored I think? |
| 05:48.27 | End_ | valor requires ..revered? |
| 05:48.31 | End_ | or something like that |
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| 06:13.23 | zenzio | "OnLive Acquires OnLive" |
| 06:13.34 | zenzio | I clearly do not understand business well enough |
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| 06:27.52 | End_ | Cairenn: do I need you to change the main category of an addon? |
| 06:28.06 | End_ | (specially it's an addon that's been living in outdated mods) |
| 06:28.21 | End_ | specifically wow I cannot type |
| 06:30.40 | End_ | actually I should just send a PM, yes I will do that |
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| 06:47.52 | bluspacecow | old : http://gifs.gifbin.com/072011/reverse-1311246801_cute_baby_sloth_yawns.gif |
| 06:52.32 | Humbedooh | but still, aaaw |
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| 07:34.52 | bluspacecow | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=229696583819808&set=a.209135712542562.42544.144517289004405&type=1&ref=nf |
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| 08:38.22 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lqnibL83Ug |
| 08:46.00 | arton | bluspacecow is a concious being. don't eat bluspacecow if you can help yourself |
| 08:47.11 | arton | I'm avoiding going to sleep. |
| 08:50.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.22 | Vladinator | lol |
| 08:50.25 | Vladinator | :D |
| 08:50.29 | Cairenn | :p |
| 08:50.44 | bluspacecow | my link was better IMHO |
| 08:50.53 | Cairenn | yes, yes it was |
| 08:51.16 | Vladinator | sounds like 4 bit music :p |
| 08:51.38 | Cairenn | Also, hi. I love it when I go to have a 1-2 hr nap and wake up 11 hrs later |
| 08:51.55 | zenzio | yeah |
| 08:52.52 | zenzio | on the other hand, I hate when I go to get ~7 hours sleep, spend an hour and a half to fall asleep, and then wake up an hour before the alarm |
| 08:53.05 | Cairenn | ye |
| 08:53.06 | Cairenn | p |
| 08:54.39 | Fisker | spiderbites where? |
| 08:56.38 | sidji | .oO(spider-man - behind the scenes?) |
| 08:57.26 | Cairenn | End_: what cat do you want it moved to? |
| 08:57.33 | Cairenn | nm |
| 08:57.52 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 08:57.56 | bluspacecow | it r caturday ? |
| 08:57.58 | zenzio | Maru, clearly |
| 08:58.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:06.12 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 09:06.23 | bluspacecow | i think my dungeon raid game is bugged |
| 09:06.36 | bluspacecow | but i dunno want force quit it as i'm getting such good bonuses |
| 09:06.44 | bluspacecow | score remains @ zero tho :| |
| 09:06.52 | bluspacecow | (!) |
| 09:06.56 | bluspacecow | It r tuesday! |
| 09:09.38 | bluspacecow | *puts self on LFR* |
| 09:10.32 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:10.38 | Fisker | want to sleep? |
| 09:10.44 | bluspacecow | with you ? |
| 09:15.35 | Humbedooh | gets the camcorder |
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| 09:19.37 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 09:19.57 | bluspacecow | unscatched sp? meaning relatively unscratched or unharmed |
| 09:20.01 | bluspacecow | unsacthed ? |
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| 09:23.38 | arton | So Blizzard is nerfing loot drama. |
| 09:24.44 | nevcairiel | Old news |
| 09:24.52 | arton | nods. |
| 09:24.57 | arton | Just found out myself tonight. |
| 09:25.08 | Kalroth | which loot drama |
| 09:25.41 | arton | people bitching about loot handouts |
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| 09:30.29 | zenzio | bluspacecow: unscathed(sp?) |
| 09:30.31 | batbot | zenzio, unscathed is correct. |
| 09:30.38 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 09:30.39 | zenzio | (how to use the bot) |
| 09:44.59 | Vladinator | why does sometimes addon loaded fire when the saved variable is not yet loaded? |
| 09:45.41 | foxlit | it doesn't. |
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| 09:46.07 | Semlar | technically it does, just not for your addon |
| 09:46.10 | Vladinator | ok, just checking. remember that long time ago I ended up having that problem :P |
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| 09:48.04 | Semlar | it fires for every addon that loads |
| 09:48.33 | Semlar | so if you aren't comparing the name to your addon you'll have a problem |
| 09:50.20 | Vladinator | anyone remember zip bombs? |
| 09:51.37 | Vladinator | oh well :P |
| 09:51.46 | Vladinator | http://www.unforgettable.dk/ ^^ |
| 09:52.14 | Semlar | i'm not clicking that after bringing up zip bombs |
| 09:52.42 | Vladinator | lol |
| 09:52.56 | Vladinator | are you chicken, mcfly? |
| 09:53.34 | Vladinator | I guess you don't get the reference :p |
| 09:53.49 | Semlar | bttf |
| 10:05.34 | Vladinator | ~dict bttf |
| 10:06.46 | Vladinator | "function at line 241 has more than 60 upvalues" |
| 10:06.51 | Vladinator | they put a max upvalue cap :P |
| 10:06.59 | Vladinator | oh well I guess I gotta split up my function into more functions |
| 10:07.35 | Vladinator | shame because I don't think the extra overhead when having multiple OnUpdate hooks is better, I got the required if else and return statements inside, hmm |
| 10:08.41 | zenzio | what do you do to get 60 upvalues? |
| 10:09.04 | Vladinator | shrug |
| 10:09.05 | Vladinator | I mean |
| 10:09.19 | Vladinator | the error is shallow not sure what it means lol |
| 10:09.26 | Vladinator | I got too much if else in my function? :/ |
| 10:10.04 | Vladinator | the line it whines about is QuestRewardCompleteButton_OnClick(), so I assume it's just too much calls or variables or something, hmm. |
| 10:10.33 | Semlar | bttf -> back to the future |
| 10:10.33 | acethebunny | "Update ToC Interface to 40300 just to say "Fuck off" to World of Addons. Take my shit off of your goddamn page, you thieving assholes." |
| 10:10.34 | acethebunny | i lol'd |
| 10:11.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 10:13.09 | Vladinator | this is odd |
| 10:13.15 | Vladinator | I had a lot of local X = X declarations |
| 10:13.21 | Vladinator | but it seems it doesn't like too many, lol |
| 10:13.39 | Semlar | every time you define a local a new upvalue is created |
| 10:13.42 | Vladinator | I was just thinking about fixing performance on my OnUpdate loop by localizing a lot of the globals, but it counts them as upvalues and errors at 60 |
| 10:13.48 | Vladinator | I can have max 60 locals? |
| 10:13.54 | Semlar | apparently? |
| 10:13.58 | Vladinator | lol |
| 10:13.58 | Vladinator | :D |
| 10:14.04 | Semlar | i've never defined 60 variables in a function before |
| 10:14.23 | Vladinator | the locals are in the root |
| 10:14.28 | acethebunny | defines 61 because he's a badass |
| 10:14.43 | Semlar | you need them all to be unique? |
| 10:14.52 | Vladinator | well |
| 10:15.00 | Vladinator | here is a smple |
| 10:15.01 | Vladinator | local GetNumQuestChoices = GetNumQuestChoices |
| 10:15.01 | Vladinator | local GetNumQuestLogEntries = GetNumQuestLogEntries |
| 10:15.02 | Vladinator | local GetNumQuestLogRewards = GetNumQuestLogRewards |
| 10:15.09 | Vladinator | sample*, it's basically just locals of globals :P |
| 10:15.18 | Semlar | you do that INSIDE the onupdate function? |
| 10:15.25 | Vladinator | no |
| 10:15.29 | Semlar | hm |
| 10:15.29 | Vladinator | in the root of the lua file |
| 10:15.30 | Vladinator | :P |
| 10:15.35 | Vladinator | but these are used by the onupdate |
| 10:15.50 | Vladinator | and when the line that uses the >60 local upvalue it whines |
| 10:16.01 | Vladinator | the error centers always on the function call that is the 61th upvalue |
| 10:16.03 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 10:16.11 | Vladinator | so I had to comment out like 10 calls and it went away |
| 10:16.28 | Vladinator | so there are 10 lookups in _G, I picked the less performance impacting calls |
| 10:16.52 | zenzio | sounds like you're doing a lot of work inside the OnUpdate? |
| 10:16.56 | foxlit | hey quick, how much does a global variable lookup cost you? |
| 10:17.04 | Vladinator | look up in _G |
| 10:17.08 | Vladinator | one table lookup I reckon |
| 10:17.15 | Semlar | not much |
| 10:17.16 | foxlit | is it (a) 0.00000001 sec, (b) 0.000000000001 sec, or (c) 0.00000000000000000001 sec? |
| 10:17.41 | Vladinator | thing is I just safe it when it comes to OnUpdate :P |
| 10:17.50 | zenzio | I'm guessing b |
| 10:17.53 | foxlit | You just a verb. |
| 10:18.14 | zenzio | or that the point is just "it's so quick you shouldn't worry about it" |
| 10:18.41 | Semlar | i've managed to get to the point where it's not quick enough to not worry about it in one of my addons |
| 10:18.52 | foxlit | I'm too desensitized to care about O(1) operations. |
| 10:18.53 | Vladinator | ok |
| 10:19.02 | foxlit | O(n^3) loops of O(n^2) atomic ops? "Fast!" |
| 10:19.04 | zenzio | Semlar: what were you doing then? |
| 10:19.05 | Vladinator | I shall put my local declarations inside my OnUpdate then :3 |
| 10:19.10 | Vladinator | 60 local declarations each frame :3 |
| 10:19.18 | foxlit | look, seriously, just use the globals. |
| 10:19.24 | Semlar | it loops through every cooldown and action frame onupdate to calculate a bunch of stuff |
| 10:19.38 | foxlit | Hash tables are sufficiently fast. You've got bigger issues if you need to call 60 functions in your OnUpdate. |
| 10:19.40 | Semlar | a global lookup is about 5 times slower than a local one |
| 10:19.56 | Semlar | it's still pretty minor |
| 10:20.15 | zenzio | how many cooldowns/actions did it have to check every frame? |
| 10:20.23 | zenzio | *OnUpdate |
| 10:20.41 | Semlar | well, there are over 700 cooldown frames in the default interface but i have managed to make it not quite that inefficient |
| 10:20.41 | Vladinator | ehm |
| 10:20.56 | Semlar | it only loops through the active ones |
| 10:21.13 | Semlar | so probably no more than 30-50 |
| 10:21.49 | Semlar | it does more when it looks at the action buttons than the cooldown frames though |
| 10:22.40 | Semlar | i'm slowly rewriting it to be more efficient |
| 10:23.21 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 10:23.32 | Semlar | for death knights i had to scan the tooltips to pull the rune cost out of them |
| 10:23.55 | Semlar | but i don't have to do that on the beta because they fixed whatever they broke in the last dk update on live |
| 10:24.56 | foxlit | mildly interesting: calling a local function that does nothing is roughly equivalent to a global lookup. |
| 10:24.58 | Vladinator | I wonder if oGlow has an MOP update :3 |
| 10:25.13 | Vladinator | foxlit |
| 10:25.16 | Vladinator | hypotetical |
| 10:25.29 | Vladinator | if you call math.max each OnUpdate would you local it first? :P |
| 10:25.57 | foxlit | I wouldn't call math.max in an OnUpdate. |
| 10:26.01 | Semlar | are you saying you don't think there's any performance difference between the two fox |
| 10:26.12 | Vladinator | lol :3 |
| 10:27.13 | Vladinator | thing is there are people that use 500 addons and if each save .0001 that's .05 ms saved, and it's enough to be worth doing local on some API in some situations :3 |
| 10:27.32 | Vladinator | I'd myself local math_max = math.max first to save 2 lookups |
| 10:27.50 | Vladinator | I'm doing my part, are you? |
| 10:27.59 | Vladinator | starship troopers reference :P |
| 10:28.07 | Vladinator | probably a lot more references lol |
| 10:28.09 | Semlar | i don't normally bother with efficiency until it starts to impact performance |
| 10:28.12 | foxlit | Semlar: I think that Amdahl's law will make the difference insignificant in any real case. |
| 10:28.20 | zenzio | screw people who use 500 addons :-p |
| 10:29.02 | zenzio | I'm not going to stop you from making your addon run smooth, but personally I don't care about performance for people who run a ton of addons |
| 10:32.01 | foxlit | Which is why all those minor "guys, do I put the local inside the loop or outside the loop!" threads annoy me to some degree. It's chasing minor improvements in the name of calling your addon "lightweight" while avoiding any serious performance analysis or code optimisation. |
| 10:32.18 | Vladinator | hehe |
| 10:32.34 | bluspacecow | lightweight is over rated |
| 10:32.46 | Vladinator | yes |
| 10:32.46 | Elkano | I'm going with a frameFactoryFactory... |
| 10:32.59 | foxlit | Elkano: wrooooooooong. |
| 10:33.05 | Vladinator | now that I go a bunch of local declarations I will append "Lightweight" to my addon! |
| 10:33.07 | foxlit | Should be going with FactoryFactory |
| 10:33.10 | Vladinator | </sarcasm> |
| 10:33.14 | foxlit | frames are clearly a special case :P |
| 10:33.21 | bluspacecow | im just reading the D3 1.0.4 patch notes |
| 10:33.27 | bluspacecow | they're rather long aren't they |
| 10:33.35 | Elkano | well, my "frames" are complex frames ^^ |
| 10:33.38 | Yoshimo | How would i get wether a certain quest in my log is accountwide or daily or weekly or heroic or x, basically the type? |
| 10:33.42 | Vladinator | objects should have widget call to destroy them |
| 10:33.48 | Vladinator | :Destroy() ? |
| 10:33.56 | foxlit | Yoshimo: does the quest log itself know? |
| 10:34.14 | foxlit | (i.e. does the default UI tell you that the quest is daily/weekly/account wide/etc?) |
| 10:34.16 | Yoshimo | it does it says (accountwide) behind the questname |
| 10:34.26 | Semlar | setting an object to nil is about as close to destroying it as you can get |
| 10:34.30 | foxlit | strap in, we're going exploring. |
| 10:34.49 | foxlit | So you're looking for what sets that (accountwide) text |
| 10:34.59 | Elkano | and the frameFactoryFactory takes a layout and produces a frameFactory for creating complex frames of that layout to alow me to skip those if_then_else_end trees |
| 10:35.42 | Elkano | crazy stuff and likely to break any minute, so stand back ;) |
| 10:35.46 | foxlit | the quest lines are probably in QuestLogFrame.xml |
| 10:36.26 | Semlar | questLogTitleText, level, questTag, suggestedGroup, isHeader, isCollapsed, isComplete, isDaily, questID, startEvent = GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex) |
| 10:36.56 | Semlar | daily's in there |
| 10:37.02 | foxlit | QuestLogTitleButtonTemplate is the line template; "groupMates" is the actual text string |
| 10:37.25 | Yoshimo | mhmm maybe that function is a bit outdated in its description |
| 10:37.30 | Elkano | hmm... may I should revive "Quest Levels" ;) |
| 10:37.43 | Semlar | yeah that function is probably out of date |
| 10:37.46 | foxlit | or Tag. |
| 10:38.19 | foxlit | Yoshimo: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16004/QuestLogFrame.lua#473 |
| 10:38.28 | Vladinator | returs arg11 now |
| 10:38.32 | Vladinator | returns* |
| 10:38.59 | Vladinator | nvm |
| 10:39.01 | Vladinator | it's the same :P |
| 10:39.12 | Vladinator | well, forgot displayQuestID onl |
| 10:39.15 | Vladinator | nvm I am on drugs |
| 10:39.38 | foxlit | so it seems like, you should be looking at the questTag return value from GetQuestLogTitle. |
| 10:39.58 | Vladinator | you know what's sad? |
| 10:40.06 | Vladinator | there are many people with a ton of level 25 pets on beta :P |
| 10:40.30 | Semlar | format(DAILY_QUEST_TAG_TEMPLATE, questTag) is what they have in there |
| 10:40.51 | Semlar | it looks like they do some other tests for possible values though |
| 10:42.27 | Yoshimo | its quest tag i guess, third return value is Account |
| 10:44.46 | Vladinator | shame people prefer guides that outright spell out each thing they gotta do, I prefer guides that let you still have the opportunity to explore stuff on your own while providing tips if you need them that bad, but not babysteps, that's lame :P |
| 10:45.49 | Semlar | vlad, have you considered just putting the local versions of the global functions in one table |
| 10:45.59 | Vladinator | :D |
| 10:46.08 | foxlit | ^^^ YOU SHOULD TOTALLY DO THAT |
| 10:46.10 | Vladinator | I smell trick question! |
| 10:46.15 | Semlar | >_> |
| 10:46.33 | Semlar | maybe call it _G |
| 10:46.49 | Vladinator | I'll do local API = { WOW = { MATH = math } } so I can save time looking up math.abs and such! |
| 10:47.03 | Semlar | there you go! |
| 10:47.05 | Vladinator | Added "local _G = _G", appending "Lightweight" to addon name! |
| 10:49.55 | Semlar | i made a database of spells once for an addon, managed to turn 4mb of data into 40mb of ram |
| 10:50.21 | Semlar | just because it used tables |
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| 10:50.45 | sintAcks | RAM: Used: 7001/8191MB (85% Load) |
| 10:50.51 | sintAcks | 5GB of that is from one program |
| 10:51.07 | Semlar | irc.. |
| 10:51.10 | sintAcks | lol |
| 10:51.11 | sintAcks | http://puu.sh/XnWT |
| 10:52.15 | Semlar | are you running a stress test |
| 10:53.11 | Vladinator | ah, japanese, probably natively coded for PS3 |
| 10:53.13 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 10:53.49 | sintAcks | lol. not really. i mean, uit can do stress testing, but that's not what it's doing. |
| 10:53.55 | Kalroth | y-crunchy |
| 10:54.04 | Semlar | it's just using all your resources |
| 10:54.06 | sintAcks | it's computing pi to the 1billionth digit |
| 10:54.23 | sintAcks | just cuz i want to see how fast my shitty computer can do it |
| 10:54.29 | Semlar | that's a lot of pi |
| 10:54.31 | sintAcks | and it takes 5GB of rame to do so |
| 10:55.05 | sintAcks | it takes 4.6TB of ram to compute to 1trillionth |
| 10:55.21 | sintAcks | but you wouldn't do that in ram.. you'd do that on disk |
| 10:55.24 | Semlar | this right here is where local variables come into play |
| 10:55.34 | Vladinator | why don't you compute ALL of pi so you are world first? |
| 10:55.39 | sintAcks | lulz |
| 10:55.46 | Semlar | you don't see him doing math.pi() |
| 10:55.52 | Vladinator | :p |
| 10:55.55 | sintAcks | the record, that i know of, is 15 trillionth |
| 10:56.14 | Semlar | how do you know your computer isn't just making up random numbers |
| 10:56.17 | Vladinator | darn its hard to commit suecide :/ |
| 10:56.27 | sintAcks | lol. it computes it and then verifies it |
| 10:56.27 | Vladinator | no clue how to solve this |
| 10:56.31 | Vladinator | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/462774 |
| 10:56.44 | Semlar | you're just going to take your computer's word for it? |
| 10:56.52 | sintAcks | but that is a good point.. how do you prove the Xth digit of pi |
| 10:57.13 | Semlar | you make it up, who's going to argue with you |
| 10:57.18 | sintAcks | lol |
| 10:59.57 | sintAcks | 10 minutes, 51 seconds. heh :| |
| 11:04.45 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6369198128?page=1#5 |
| 11:04.52 | bluspacecow | clearly the cosplayer is always right |
| 11:05.59 | Amarande | bah. I thought server maintenance usually started at 0500 Pacific, not 0300 |
| 11:06.26 | Vladinator | hard game |
| 11:06.38 | Amarande | guess I don't get to pick up my auction house mail this morning :P |
| 11:07.49 | bluspacecow | service status forum dear |
| 11:08.38 | Amarande | I'm guessing they want to make really sure maintenance goes well this week though seeing as next week they won't really have time for "normal" maintenance since they'll be busy switching servers over for 5.0 |
| 11:08.54 | sintAcks | that's easy |
| 11:09.00 | sintAcks | press button. recieve 5.0 |
| 11:09.38 | Amarande | sintAcks: your office just deploys new software without running final test suites and such to make sure everything went right? :P |
| 11:09.39 | Semlar | are they really making 5.0 live on tuesday |
| 11:09.46 | Amarande | Semlar: 28th |
| 11:09.49 | Amarande | it's offish |
| 11:09.55 | sintAcks | yep. I work for Microsoft. |
| 11:10.19 | sintAcks | Amarande, since it is tuesday, Semlar is correct in his "on tuesday" statement. |
| 11:11.14 | Semlar | blizzard is releasing a big patch for diablo too |
| 11:11.17 | Amarande | icc25 scheduled today. wonder how likely it is to happen. |
| 11:11.32 | sintAcks | I don't see why it wouldn't ... |
| 11:11.38 | sintAcks | it's just a normal day |
| 11:11.47 | Amarande | it's also the last week before 5.0 though |
| 11:12.03 | Semlar | last chance to do that stuff then |
| 11:12.03 | sintAcks | so, all the more reason to do ICC |
| 11:12.21 | Semlar | for a while |
| 11:12.22 | Amarande | a lot of folks (and we'll probably need to pug a few for 25, especially) are probably going to be focused on that last chance drive at DS while the mounts are still 100% |
| 11:12.43 | Amarande | probably actually be easier to get ICC groups together after 5.0, heh |
| 11:13.42 | Amarande | I know last week when we were trying to find a healer for os3d, there were like four DS groups forming all at once |
| 11:15.04 | Semlar | it sounds like blizzard is going to be releasing two major patches at once, i see no way this could go wrong |
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| 11:17.18 | Amarande | Semlar: different games, doubtless different teams |
| 11:17.30 | Semlar | but all hands on deck |
| 11:17.38 | Amarande | the one sad thing is those new items coming out in D2 with things like the holidays just around the corner in a few months |
| 11:17.50 | Amarande | hai there items that are awesome but will be completely and totally stupid to use for yourself |
| 11:18.06 | Amarande | because chances are, if you can get those new legendary items, you're already doing just peachy in inferno |
| 11:18.13 | nevcairiel | If by two you mean d3 and wow, there is a week in between |
| 11:18.32 | Amarande | while it would just be dumb to use them yourself when they'll probably for $100+ on the RMAH in the first few weeks at least and that's good bank for holiday gifts in this economy |
| 11:18.37 | Semlar | is the d3 patch coming out today? |
| 11:18.44 | nevcairiel | Yes |
| 11:19.24 | Amarande | actually, would $100+ be even too conservative an estimate - do legendaries usually max out at 250 on the RMAH nearly every time? |
| 11:19.27 | sintAcks | http://i.imgur.com/3wgkT.jpg |
| 11:19.29 | sintAcks | just ... wow |
| 11:19.34 | Vladinator | http://www.kongregate.com/games/Reflexive/music-catch-2 addicting :( |
| 11:20.09 | Vladinator | I wish my family was shot, I'd meet two actors1 |
| 11:20.38 | Vladinator | you can't thumbs down on FB right? |
| 11:20.40 | Vladinator | :P |
| 11:20.47 | sintAcks | no :| |
| 11:20.50 | Vladinator | ok |
| 11:21.08 | bluspacecow | @semlar yes today. links in the mac tech support forums for D3 to download it |
| 11:22.00 | kagaro | well world ofaddons finally remove all my add ons and the listings as well |
| 11:22.34 | Amarande | But yeah, that's the problem with an RMAH system in a Diablo type game. |
| 11:22.57 | Amarande | By the time you can actually find items that are high priced, much as it would be Diablo-iconic to equip them like you would in D2 |
| 11:23.13 | Amarande | sadly, the *only* wise thing to do can be put them up on RMAH for the big bank, because finding them means you don't need them |
| 11:24.05 | Amarande | (if you actually needed them, you wouldn't be able to do the content that they drop in readily enough in order to get them ... heh) |
| 11:25.03 | Amarande | unless they really make things that much easier (after all, you could make the same case in WoW, that you don't need any of, say, the drops from heroic Spine, because if you can beat heroic Spine, you're already beating the worst the game can throw at you without whatever it drops ...) |
| 11:25.45 | Vladinator | To me D3 at Inferno is like running Heroics with quest gear and the Heroics drop maybe world epic items that are actually a good upgrade, but mostly Green items from trash... |
| 11:26.04 | Vladinator | Sums up my D3 experience pretty well :P |
| 11:26.23 | Amarande | Vlad: well, the point I'm making is, if you can get legendary items, you're already most likely repeatedly running Inferno with success to begin with |
| 11:26.31 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 11:26.39 | Vladinator | I find that pointless :P |
| 11:26.41 | Amarande | which means that the only thing you'd really *need* them for is, well, something harder than inferno :) |
| 11:26.56 | Semlar | or making it easier |
| 11:27.09 | Vladinator | They always make old content easier so you can focus on new content, same would happen to D3 Iam sure. |
| 11:27.33 | Amarande | which means that it would be utterly stupid, *especially* with the holiday gift season coming round the corner (and things like, say, paying off the credit cards from the cavalcade of expensive that is Dragon Con to do, too), to use them yourself and not put them up on the RMAH where with their rarity they're probably guaranteed to run in the 100-250 range |
| 11:28.16 | Vladinator | I don't even play D3 anymore :( |
| 11:28.27 | zenzio | "Son, I bought you this great axe for christmas!" "... dad, that's level 50..." "Shut up, it's legendary" |
| 11:28.32 | Amarande | I haven't even started playing it yet |
| 11:28.36 | Semlar | i basically stopped playing it after i got to inferno |
| 11:28.53 | Vladinator | I got stuck on Inferno Belial and said "screw this" :D |
| 11:28.56 | zenzio | I got about halfway through nightmare before losing interest |
| 11:29.02 | Vladinator | cba to AH gear or farm 1% drop chances ;D |
| 11:29.03 | Amarande | zenzio: More likely folks would be "Son, I was able to buy you the PS3 you wanted for Christmas because I found this legendary in D3 and it got us some extra money this year" |
| 11:29.16 | Semlar | at the time it was basically impossible and i'd already seen the same stuff enough times that i wasn't getting much out of it |
| 11:29.29 | Vladinator | you get achievement |
| 11:29.30 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 11:29.37 | Vladinator | that no one cares about but you! |
| 11:30.07 | Semlar | it wasn't fun to me, it was just a chore |
| 11:30.09 | zenzio | achievements only matter to me while I'm still playing the game, sadly. When I do, I enjoy it |
| 11:30.35 | Amarande | Whereas the guy who actually USES it, if his son is at all gaming savvy, will have an angered son ... "Son, Mom and I are sorry ... we couldn't afford to buy you that PS3 you wanted this year ..." "DAD! You found that Stormshield, you could have sold it and it would have bought it!" |
| 11:32.33 | Amarande | anyway. |
| 11:32.34 | Vladinator | buy gear for 250 euro XD |
| 11:32.35 | Amarande | also regarding the rmah. |
| 11:32.48 | Amarande | they're going to have to be really careful about how they implement PvP in D3 when they do :| |
| 11:33.00 | Vladinator | spend like 2000€ on virtual items = professional gamer |
| 11:33.06 | Amarande | simply because it seems to be so clear that it's a Yankees-always-win situation there automatically |
| 11:33.25 | Amarande | whoever is most willing to max out the credit cards on D3 items, will always win |
| 11:33.28 | Vladinator | :D |
| 11:33.39 | Vladinator | I am smarter than that, sorry :3 |
| 11:33.42 | Amarande | which means that, for one, the "attacker gets to initiate unilaterally" system D2 had will never fly :P |
| 11:33.52 | Semlar | maybe i can finally start making some money with d3 |
| 11:34.00 | Amarande | that just inherently would turn D3 into the game for spoiled rich kids and drive everyone else away into private games forever |
| 11:34.29 | Amarande | And if PvP deaths involve you dropping large amounts of gold like in D2, so much the worse. |
| 11:35.01 | Vladinator | xD |
| 11:35.11 | Vladinator | I wonder when private server for D3 will come out. |
| 11:35.36 | Vladinator | I mean, if the pvp and money AH goes that bad. |
| 11:35.59 | Yoshimo | there was a project but it silently vanished |
| 11:36.00 | Amarande | I'm guessing they'd have to use a voluntary PvP flag system like WoW's |
| 11:37.20 | Vladinator | I find it funny |
| 11:37.28 | Vladinator | how Blizzard had summer sale like Steam |
| 11:37.30 | Vladinator | faction change xD |
| 11:37.31 | Vladinator | HAHAHA |
| 11:37.31 | Amarande | anyway, speaking of real money |
| 11:37.38 | Amarande | I need to go to that lovely place called work :) |
| 11:37.41 | Amarande | laters |
| 11:37.44 | Vladinator | <3 |
| 11:37.52 | zenzio | wait, you're not at work? |
| 11:37.59 | Vladinator | 13:37 |
| 11:38.09 | Vladinator | I'm not at work |
| 11:38.10 | zenzio | indeed |
| 11:38.12 | zenzio | what |
| 11:38.17 | Vladinator | Are you at work? |
| 11:38.19 | zenzio | what are you doing at 13:37 if not at work? |
| 11:38.20 | zenzio | yes |
| 11:38.24 | Ama|work | zenzio: I have about a 15 minute commute and I start at 8, so it's just about leaving time right now |
| 11:39.06 | Vladinator | I am looking for jobs, also my Uni is slow sending me my paperwork lol |
| 11:45.46 | Vladinator | got any good or bad experiences to share about working trough a recruiting firm? |
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| 12:04.33 | Semlar | it's only 8am here |
| 12:04.52 | Vladinator | it was 8 am for ama 1 hour ago :P |
| 12:05.11 | Vladinator | nvm, 30 min commute :3 |
| 12:05.44 | Semlar | he might be in the same time zone as me |
| 12:09.42 | bluspacecow | is legend of korra worth watching ? |
| 12:10.06 | Semlar | never heard of it |
| 12:10.27 | Semlar | looks like a sequel to avatar |
| 12:10.32 | bluspacecow | it is |
| 12:10.43 | Semlar | so if you liked avatar, it's probably worth taking a look at |
| 12:10.59 | bluspacecow | but if you haven't heard about it you have't watched it. i was wanting someone whos seen both to advise :) |
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| 12:13.57 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
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| 12:14.04 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:14.21 | zenzio | ahoi peppy |
| 12:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | Dude. Not for breakfast! *poke* Peaches are for breakfast, lutefisk is for lunch. |
| 12:14.30 | Cairenn | Oh wow |
| 12:14.31 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:14.41 | Cairenn | They've completely removed all of the comments |
| 12:14.45 | zenzio | lutefisk is not for eating |
| 12:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Very classy that, Cairenn. |
| 12:14.58 | zenzio | Cairenn: where? |
| 12:15.06 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 12:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | Well, zenzio, I hear that lutefisk makes a good sub for plastic explosive, but I've never tried it.... |
| 12:15.14 | Cairenn | http://www.tentonhammer.com/playerscore/news/spark-welcome? |
| 12:15.19 | bluspacecow | ah yes |
| 12:15.23 | bluspacecow | ten ton wankers |
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| 12:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | Serious wankers. |
| 12:15.39 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 12:15.42 | bluspacecow | also hai2u |
| 12:15.48 | bluspacecow | and u zenzio |
| 12:15.52 | bluspacecow | and u ingela |
| 12:15.52 | Cairenn | I'm awfully glad I screenshotted (almost) all of it a couple days ago |
| 12:15.57 | zenzio | anyone tried submitting the debacle to slashdot? |
| 12:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | You, are not a wanker, blu. Just sayin'. |
| 12:16.04 | zenzio | ohai blu |
| 12:16.15 | zenzio | are you sure about that peppy? |
| 12:16.37 | zenzio | or reddit I suppose, that also seems popular these days |
| 12:16.42 | pompy | Cairenn: they removed the directors letter too |
| 12:16.48 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 12:16.51 | Cairenn | oh yeah? |
| 12:16.52 | bluspacecow | anyone keep any records? |
| 12:17.04 | pompy | http://worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012 |
| 12:17.10 | pompy | nothin there! |
| 12:17.27 | Cairenn | damn |
| 12:17.44 | Cairenn | don't suppose anyone has a copy of it? |
| 12:18.25 | Trela | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tuUjA-d315IJ:worldofaddons.com/directors-letter-aug-2012+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
| 12:18.37 | znf | Shadowed, is SuF supposed to work out of the box with a default profile on Beta (the alphas)? |
| 12:18.49 | zenzio | damnit Trela, you beat me to it |
| 12:18.57 | Trela | :D I was already looking! |
| 12:19.30 | zenzio | I tried archive.org first :( |
| 12:19.52 | zenzio | but seriously, if you haven't already, start pushing it on all the big news/social media sites |
| 12:20.55 | Semlar | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/215664/worldofnulls.jpg |
| 12:21.13 | zenzio | Semlar: lol |
| 12:21.26 | Lopeppeppy | Take down the addons and THEN donate to charity. |
| 12:22.43 | bluspacecow | i thought we didn't want that as we don't want the sites name being bandied about so they don't get any publicity out of this. |
| 12:23.38 | zenzio | I suppose, I haven't followed the "we" of this much |
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| 12:23.58 | bluspacecow | then again wowmatrix is still alive. :( |
| 12:24.10 | zenzio | it is? |
| 12:24.14 | Cairenn | yes |
| 12:24.24 | Trela | bluspacecow: The average user does not give a shit about AddOn author copyright issues. They just want their AddOns. |
| 12:24.31 | pompy | woa is pointless anyway, they did one scrape, so that means theyll just be hosting outdated shit |
| 12:24.41 | Trela | So I agree with not giving publicity. |
| 12:24.57 | Liv | Hi everyone! Olivia from wow.joystiq.com here again! |
| 12:25.01 | Semlar | well, their intention was not to do a single scrape |
| 12:25.04 | zenzio | heya |
| 12:25.05 | AcidWeb | Hmm blizz changed UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE. |
| 12:25.08 | AcidWeb | Liv: hi |
| 12:25.11 | Liv | :D |
| 12:25.14 | Cairenn | Hi Liv |
| 12:25.29 | Trela | Hello~ |
| 12:25.48 | AcidWeb | It dont trigger anymore when scoreboard update when it is hidden. |
| 12:26.14 | Liv | I'm doing an Addon Spotlight this week on Addons that are ready for 5.0.4, and I thought it would be a great way for Addon authors to promote their addons and preferred download sources? Ofc, nothing would be said about *certain* addon sites, just the ones you want me to promote |
| 12:27.10 | Liv | And Cairenn, I'm totally going to link WoWInterface's great list if you're OK with that :) |
| 12:27.21 | Cairenn | Liv: go for it |
| 12:27.37 | Liv | Cairenn: Thanks! |
| 12:27.46 | Cairenn | I need to get the survival guide updated again |
| 12:28.02 | bluspacecow | Liv , check my twitter |
| 12:28.16 | Liv | +bluspacecow: Will do! |
| 12:28.43 | Trela | I should make sure mine works for 5.x. Though it has never broken for any update ever. |
| 12:28.59 | Liv | :D |
| 12:29.10 | bluspacecow | *Trela logs into beta with his addon and sees no Lui errors* |
| 12:29.12 | Cairenn | Liv: You're more than welcome to also do a post about the fact that lots of people seem to have no clue/care about the fact that addon authors have copyright on their intellectual property :p |
| 12:29.13 | bluspacecow | Good enough! |
| 12:29.18 | bluspacecow | *marks as release* |
| 12:29.22 | Trela | YEP! X3 |
| 12:29.23 | Semlar | that's how i roll |
| 12:29.44 | Semlar | mine actually worked for the beta so i had to introduce some errors by adding new features |
| 12:29.46 | bluspacecow | c'mon guys your meant to test your addon in normal play and if it bugs out :| |
| 12:29.47 | Cairenn | You wouldn't have to put names or anything |
| 12:29.48 | Trela | Actually, I log in, see the same Lua error, mark as release. |
| 12:29.58 | zenzio | I've always been quite impressed with the survival guide |
| 12:30.02 | bluspacecow | and addons are not deritive works |
| 12:30.03 | Liv | What I was going to ask is that anyone who's got an addon they'd like promoted on WoW Insider that's ready to go for 5.0.4 could drop me an email on olivia@wowinsider.com with their preferred DL link... would that be OK with people? |
| 12:30.08 | bluspacecow | *derivitive works |
| 12:30.25 | Trela | Sounds fine, Liv. |
| 12:30.40 | Cairenn | Liv: feel free to also toss up a post in our dev forums asking for the same |
| 12:30.42 | AcidWeb | Already posted mine some time ago on twitter Liv |
| 12:30.46 | bluspacecow | @Liv http://t.co/JR5MkpyT |
| 12:30.54 | Liv | Yep, saw yours @AcidWeb, thanks! :D |
| 12:31.21 | nebula169 | wow livejournal is still around?! |
| 12:31.31 | Semlar | that's exactly what i just said |
| 12:31.50 | bluspacecow | @Liv http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=153 Wowinterface's MoP dev changes forum |
| 12:31.51 | bluspacecow | also |
| 12:31.58 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=154 |
| 12:32.10 | bluspacecow | for general posts about addons updated for MoP |
| 12:32.21 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=155 for general MoP addon stuff |
| 12:32.23 | Liv | Cairenn: Thanks, I will! And I'll try to see if I can work something out on Addon Author Copyright, the editors are a bit touchy on that sort of thing, though. |
| 12:32.32 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 12:32.36 | Liv | +bluspacecow: Thanks so much! :D |
| 12:32.50 | Cairenn | It's just frustrating as hell, for everyone that cares about the community |
| 12:33.02 | Cairenn | and it doesn't just happen with WoW |
| 12:33.16 | Cairenn | has been fighting this fight for 10 years now |
| 12:33.25 | bluspacecow | then again Liv there's a lot of changes author have made in the alpha/beta versions of their addons and are just waiting for patch day to hit to mark them as release |
| 12:33.51 | bluspacecow | some changes for 5.0.4 won't work in 4.3.4 so some may not be updated as yet. |
| 12:34.38 | Liv | Cairenn: I bet... At the moment all the bosses want is stuff on 5.0.4, but I will definitely do my best to get something put up about it in future -- Addon authors contribute so much to the game |
| 12:34.56 | bluspacecow | mostly unpaid |
| 12:35.19 | bluspacecow | i see Cairenn making a lethal weapon quote |
| 12:35.22 | Liv | +bluespacecow: I can imagine, yeah, it's part of the reason why I'm seeking out direct info so I don't screw up and put a 4.3.4 DL link when it should be 5.0.4 |
| 12:35.29 | bluspacecow | "i'm too old for this shit" |
| 12:35.36 | Cairenn | very |
| 12:35.58 | Liv | And yeah, mostly unpaid, voluntary... I mean, you just have to look at the Vodka vs Method race to see how big a deal addons are |
| 12:35.58 | bluspacecow | hmm I need foods BRB |
| 12:36.03 | zenzio | that's hardly really a Lethal Weapon quote; it's a very old and normal expression |
| 12:36.40 | bluspacecow | literally thousands of man hours was spent on the threat libraries for Omen |
| 12:36.51 | bluspacecow | then Blizzard come out with a function call that made all that obselete |
| 12:37.02 | bluspacecow | and thus did the addon authors on the omen project rejoice |
| 12:37.04 | AcidWeb | Liv: Dont search for my MoP donwload links because they dont exist :P Im releasing it during day 0. |
| 12:37.21 | bluspacecow | 'cause that's how he rolls. |
| 12:37.32 | Fisker | +bluspacecow? What is this? webchat? |
| 12:37.45 | bluspacecow | wait this is not the kitchen *is gone* |
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| 12:48.18 | Semlar | does anyone know when the beta servers go down if the patch is supposed to be out tuesday |
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| 12:51.26 | bluspacecow | for ? |
| 12:51.48 | bluspacecow | oh right |
| 12:52.05 | bluspacecow | i think sapperwix said sept 10th or something |
| 12:52.07 | Semlar | trade says 9/11 |
| 12:52.26 | bluspacecow | the 5.0.4 patch is the on the PTR atm which is coming out aug 28th |
| 12:52.39 | bluspacecow | IIRC beta should still be running after it's being released |
| 12:52.57 | bluspacecow | still time to fix stuff in the MoP content coming in the expansion :) |
| 12:53.13 | Semlar | yeah there are definitely still some issues |
| 12:53.20 | g0urra | I think it's two weeks between end of beta and release |
| 12:53.28 | bluspacecow | "Semlar: trade says 9/11" |
| 12:53.34 | bluspacecow | somewhat ironic lol |
| 12:53.39 | g0urra | like in cata the beta ended november 22, cata released december 7 |
| 12:55.00 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6368307174?page=2#31 |
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| 12:55.22 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6368307174?page=3#57 |
| 12:55.22 | Semlar | i had to write a pretty hackish way to get the rune cost of a spell by parsing the tooltip for my addon on the live servers which i'm happy to say i can remove on the beta |
| 12:59.14 | Semlar | the a/c adapter in my car stopped working so i can't power my gps and don't know how to get anywhere |
| 13:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Change the fuse. :) |
| 13:00.52 | Semlar | i'm not sure it's the fuse, everything else seems to work |
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| 13:01.13 | Semlar | then again i really don't know anything about cars |
| 13:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes that is on a separate fuse. In my car that fuse does that outlet, and an oxygen sensor, of all things. |
| 13:01.39 | Vladinator | oxygen sensor LOL |
| 13:01.44 | Semlar | that seems important |
| 13:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | Fuse is easy to swap and check, less than a 5 dollar repair. |
| 13:02.04 | Vladinator | I didn't know you had a ucar, Semlar |
| 13:02.09 | Vladinator | (uboat->car) |
| 13:02.14 | Lopeppeppy | The oxygen sensor is for the emissions system, not really anything to do with humans in the car. :P |
| 13:03.50 | Semlar | it has been raining pretty hard lately, i probably could use a periscope |
| 13:04.39 | Semlar | there was enough water on one of the major roads near my house that i couldn't have driven my car through it without it going over the exhaust and probably cutting off the engine |
| 13:05.06 | Semlar | i should just trade it in for a boat |
| 13:06.08 | Vladinator | when you have a car with something fancy like oxygen sensor, I reckon you can't fix 80% of the electrical issues yourself, hehe. |
| 13:06.23 | Vladinator | tech goes up -> manual fixing goes down :( |
| 13:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, fuses are pretty universal. |
| 13:13.43 | Semlar | actually i'm not sure the outlet itself is out |
| 13:13.50 | Semlar | it could be the plug |
| 13:13.59 | zenzio | stick your finger in and find out |
| 13:14.05 | Semlar | i don't think that would do anything |
| 13:14.14 | Semlar | a paperclip might |
| 13:14.33 | Semlar | this sounds like a good way to really blow the fuse though |
| 13:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | Or simply another device? |
| 13:14.46 | zenzio | now you're just being silly peppy ;-) |
| 13:15.03 | Semlar | i think i have a cell phone charger around somewhere, i need to find it |
| 13:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | I know. First with the changing the fuse, now with the legitimate tests of function. |
| 13:15.32 | Semlar | the fuses look okay |
| 13:15.59 | Semlar | they aren't blown but the contacts look kinda oxidized, i don't know if that would lower their conductivity |
| 13:16.36 | Fisker | Is there some kind of PC software that is used to do airplay mirroring and could be confused with Apple TV? :P |
| 13:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | Looking okay isn't as indicitative as it used to be. I never can tell when mine is blown, other than that my car fails inspection for emissions, and then I replace the bloody thing and I pass again. :) |
| 13:16.57 | Semlar | well the car is a 97 |
| 13:17.23 | Semlar | the technology shouldn't be too new |
| 13:17.51 | Semlar | then again i have no idea what a blown fuse actually looks like |
| 13:18.27 | Semlar | i'm assuming the little part inside the plastic would be broken |
| 13:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | *shrug* Who knows? They're like 50 cents, just replace it if testing with another device still yields "does not work" |
| 13:20.25 | Semlar | i'm not 100% sure which fuse it is |
| 13:20.41 | Semlar | there isn't one specifically labeled for it |
| 13:21.11 | Semlar | i just checked the most likely ones |
| 13:21.32 | Semlar | replace all the fuses! |
| 13:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, then that's a "diving into the manual" issue. It probably shares a fuse with something else - that port doesn't draw a ton of power. Especially in older cars that really weren't designed to be sending power through there over longer periods of time. |
| 13:25.35 | bluspacecow | @Peppy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9WUEtaH5A |
| 13:25.43 | bluspacecow | what i listening to now |
| 13:26.14 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/R1J2o lul |
| 13:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | I love the video. 1950's Lizzie Borden! |
| 13:27.23 | Lopeppeppy | Murder everywhere, mass hysteria! |
| 13:30.51 | Maldivia | ohh - new patch for D3 and S2 today :) |
| 13:31.37 | zenzio | S2? |
| 13:31.44 | Maldivia | SC2 |
| 13:31.53 | zenzio | oh, that's today? Interesting |
| 13:32.56 | Maldivia | well, the S2 build got bumped from 22763 to 22875 |
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| 13:33.47 | Semlar | well, the good news is it's not a fuse |
| 13:34.29 | Semlar | the bad news is it's the charger which is going to be a lot harder to replace |
| 13:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph. Oh well - binary testing gave you the answer at least. |
| 13:35.01 | Semlar | and i actually had it working briefly before destroying the fuse inside the charger itself on accident |
| 13:35.47 | Semlar | it wasn't secured in the housing and fell out into the socket |
| 13:36.40 | Semlar | i got to watch the little filament inside spark up and fizzle away |
| 13:42.03 | Semlar | in case anyone was wondering, http://i.imgur.com/N377S.jpg this is what the little metal nub on the end of the car charger looks like when it falls out |
| 13:44.13 | zenzio | looks like a fuse to me, though I'm definitely no expert |
| 13:44.25 | Humbedooh | looks like a fuse to me too ;o |
| 13:44.28 | Semlar | it is |
| 13:44.32 | Semlar | well, it was |
| 13:44.52 | zenzio | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103770 |
| 13:44.54 | Semlar | it had a very thin metal filament running along inside of it |
| 13:44.55 | zenzio | or something like that |
| 13:44.56 | Fisker | so old |
| 13:45.12 | Fisker | ever taken apart car adapters before+ |
| 13:45.13 | Fisker | ? |
| 13:45.15 | Fisker | never* |
| 13:45.27 | Semlar | not until it decided to take itself apart |
| 13:45.59 | Semlar | now the charger definitely doesn't work |
| 13:47.18 | Semlar | i'm half tempted to replace it with something else but i'm pretty sure i'll end up destroying my gps |
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| 13:59.10 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/Myndflame/status/237890305708421121 |
| 13:59.13 | bluspacecow | Doug Mad ? |
| 14:06.08 | Kraps | maybe he just shut his phone so its a non-issue |
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| 14:31.06 | mckenziemc | Semlar: tempted to replace the fuse, or the charger? |
| 14:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | well, he needs a new charger now that I taunted him into breaking his. :( |
| 14:32.29 | Ackis | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 14:32.34 | Ackis | wassup girlfriend? |
| 14:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | Not much. Chillin' with my homies, makin' some web pages. |
| 14:34.06 | mckenziemc | with FrontPage? |
| 14:34.27 | bluspacecow | This made me lolz out loud : http://i.imgur.com/bNntm.png |
| 14:35.37 | mikma | bluspacecow: but broken penis is bad thing |
| 14:35.42 | Dagmar | Like I have unfortunately had a doctor tell me, "If it's not in the Kama Sutra, it's probably not safe." |
| 14:36.49 | Vladinator | lol :D |
| 14:37.10 | Vladinator | btw, on a serious note, http://i49.tinypic.com/1smqsw.jpg :( |
| 14:38.30 | g0urra | is that team fortress 2? |
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| 14:38.38 | Tlize | hello |
| 14:38.46 | Tlize | I wonder, is there a macro to show a dot on icon to see if i'm in attack range ? |
| 14:39.38 | g0urra | there are addons that does that, yes |
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| 14:40.20 | kd3 | generally a #showtooltip on the first line should expose enough information if you drag the macro to an action bar |
| 14:40.21 | Tlize | i'll look for addon so ty |
| 14:40.40 | Tlize | ok i try this also |
| 14:40.49 | Tlize | thanks |
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| 14:44.06 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/y3CsB.png |
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| 14:46.11 | Kalroth | Blizzard is probably happy they had a lot of 1.0.4 info to push out since yesterday :) |
| 14:46.20 | Acenth | I've asked this before this year, but as addon authors, what is the most important thing you'd love to see in the Curse Client? |
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| 14:46.55 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 14:46.57 | Fisker | not so hey Kalroth |
| 14:47.38 | Torhal | Acenth: Tickets on CurseForge that I don't immediately delete without reading because they're from the Client. |
| 14:47.44 | Kalroth | Fisker: jeg binder dig til en lastbil der skal til tyrkiet |
| 14:47.57 | Torhal | Ackis: ^ |
| 14:48.08 | Fisker | nice online community representative Ackis |
| 14:48.25 | Kalroth | Fisker would be a great CM |
| 14:48.35 | Fisker | i would be the greatest CM |
| 14:48.47 | bluspacecow | notation links |
| 14:48.50 | bluspacecow | no@ |
| 14:48.54 | bluspacecow | i mean donation links@ |
| 14:51.22 | Acenth | A better bug reporting system is in the works. |
| 14:51.25 | Acenth | Soon(TM) |
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| 14:53.10 | |Jelly| | pounce-hugs Peppy. |
| 14:53.11 | Torhal | Acenth: Don't pull a Blizzard on us. Especially if it's D3 quality. |
| 14:53.15 | Torhal | :D |
| 14:55.19 | Kraps | leave blizzard alone! |
| 14:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-bear. |
| 14:56.29 | Torhal | Kraps: What? I was just commenting on "Soon(™)"…and the fact that D3 shattered the dreams of millions. |
| 14:57.04 | Kraps | shattered the dreams of millions. |
| 14:57.23 | Kraps | oh you |
| 14:57.55 | |Jelly| | It took all my hopes with it, too. |
| 14:58.10 | |Jelly| | How's ... web ... mastering, Peppy? :D |
| 14:59.00 | Kraps | its like millions of blizzard fans cried out and were suddenly silenced |
| 14:59.17 | mckenziemc | die Torhal™ |
| 14:59.27 | Fisker | don't tell people to die, it's rude |
| 14:59.42 | mckenziemc | die Fisker™ |
| 14:59.57 | |Jelly| | Eh, in reality I feel that if I never logged in again, I got my $100 out of the game given RMAH so meh. |
| 15:00.37 | Kraps | $100??? |
| 15:01.11 | |Jelly| | Collector's Edition |
| 15:02.03 | Fisker | mad? |
| 15:02.12 | |Jelly| | Really less if you take in to account that I would have gotten the Annual Pass without the D3 perk and having both that and CE gave me $60 towards WoW. |
| 15:02.19 | Kraps | what does RMAH have to do with it |
| 15:02.26 | Torhal | |Jelly|: Just saying - it had huge sales numbers because of D1 and D2, hugely disappointed, and now Jay Wilson is calling everyone who's sad a loser. |
| 15:02.27 | Torhal | :D |
| 15:02.45 | |Jelly| | I made money off the RMAH? |
| 15:02.57 | Dagmar | Well, ummm... Like that's a hard call to make |
| 15:03.08 | Kraps | oh cool |
| 15:03.11 | |Jelly| | Torhal: Yeah, Reddit is all in an uproar. It's kind of funny, really. |
| 15:03.17 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 15:03.29 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 15:03.32 | kd3 | reddit in an uproar? oh noes |
| 15:03.36 | bluspacecow | when is it _not_ in an uproar? |
| 15:03.37 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 15:03.47 | bluspacecow | ITS A TRAGEDY KD3! |
| 15:03.49 | |Jelly| | The day before yesterday was prett...err, no it wasn't. |
| 15:03.51 | bluspacecow | TRAGEDY! |
| 15:03.58 | bluspacecow | *starts singing the Beejees song* |
| 15:04.27 | mckenziemc | thinks bluspacecow wants a beejay |
| 15:04.56 | Kraps | jaywilson.mov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdz2hbdtkfk |
| 15:05.44 | Fisker | correction Torhal |
| 15:05.48 | Fisker | Jay Wilson called David Brevik a loser |
| 15:06.20 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 15:06.22 | Kraps | loserds |
| 15:06.23 | bluspacecow | a fucking loser |
| 15:06.55 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 15:07.02 | Fisker | it was "fuck that loser" |
| 15:07.15 | |Jelly| | What if he is a loser and never won a game of Pong in the Annual Jay Wilson - David Brevik Pong Championship? |
| 15:07.19 | |Jelly| | I mean, that shit is serious. |
| 15:07.36 | Fisker | k |Jelly| ? |
| 15:07.40 | Fisker | u jelly? |
| 15:07.59 | bluspacecow | u Jelly |Jelly| ? |
| 15:08.01 | |Jelly| | Kraps: I love when people raise their hands to talk on shows like that. |
| 15:08.37 | Torhal | Fisker: He said "Fuck that loser" when all the guy did was echo what we've been saying since D3 launched. |
| 15:08.44 | Torhal | So, yeah. |
| 15:09.01 | Fisker | yeah and before D3 was launched you echoed the opposite |
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| 15:09.16 | Fisker | Still doesn't change the fact he called David Brevik a loser, not the community |
| 15:09.26 | |Jelly| | Re: Everyone asking if I'm Jelly. Yes, yes I am: http://i.imgur.com/IU9J9.jpg |
| 15:10.00 | |Jelly| | So IRC is like Reddit on a smaller scope. Check. |
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| 15:10.51 | Maldivia | |Jelly|: you have it the wrong way around - reddit is like IRC, but in a wider scope |
| 15:10.54 | |Jelly| | LOOK! IT'S UNKLE! |
| 15:11.02 | Unkle | WHERE?!! |
| 15:11.07 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 15:11.17 | bluspacecow | *sqeeuls and leaps 10 feet in the air* |
| 15:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | ...interesting. |
| 15:11.41 | kd3 | c'mon usps, get here |
| 15:11.44 | |Jelly| | So I finally saw [most of] Sideways last night. Kamdis and I were both o.O when we saw the Kistler bottle. :D |
| 15:11.51 | Kraps | It's fairly obvious that they've lost a lot of customer goodwill due to botching many aspects of SC2 and D3 |
| 15:11.59 | Kraps | sc2 was botched? |
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| 15:12.06 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 15:12.08 | Fisker | not so hey Kalroth |
| 15:12.12 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:12.15 | kd3 | is tired of having to tether through his netbook for playable wow |
| 15:12.19 | Humbedooh | more hey Kalroth |
| 15:12.37 | Fisker | what about moonbase alpha kd3 ? |
| 15:12.43 | Unkle | kd3 WTF? |
| 15:12.44 | Fisker | john madden |
| 15:12.44 | Kalroth | :D |
| 15:13.00 | Unkle | Jelly - Sideways is a good story. |
| 15:13.41 | kd3 | the driver for my current usb stick is causing issues in lots of things (let alone wow), so I've connected to my netbook and am using its wireless instead |
| 15:13.53 | |Jelly| | Yeah well, I fucked it up for Kamdis cause in the closing scene, I was definitely all "I bet a dude named Duke opens up!" |
| 15:14.40 | Unkle | kd3 that sucks. |
| 15:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | Kamdis is going to kick you in the face someday, Jelly. |
| 15:15.48 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:15.51 | |Jelly| | and on that day, I'll have nothing to do but accept it because it's deserved. |
| 15:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, finally lunch at lunchtime! |
| 15:16.27 | |Jelly| | What? Blasphemy! |
| 15:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | I know. Evil. |
| 15:18.10 | mckenziemc | hey peppy |
| 15:18.12 | mckenziemc | it's 8:18 |
| 15:18.16 | mckenziemc | AM |
| 15:18.24 | mckenziemc | not even brunch time! |
| 15:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | 11:25, totally brunch time |
| 15:19.14 | Unkle | mmmm... brunch |
| 15:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cold french fries! |
| 15:20.55 | Unkle | Those are a travesty of justice. |
| 15:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Last night's leftovers. |
| 15:21.39 | bluspacecow | not with icecream unkle |
| 15:22.24 | Unkle | bluspacecow - Hot fries, cheese sauce optional, and cold ice cream. Don't fuck it up. |
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| 15:46.43 | nilyaK | well, this week sure is one for crazy news. |
| 15:46.51 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u |
| 15:51.53 | Ressy | arg. Talk of fries and cheese, makes me think of Poutine.. |
| 15:52.22 | nilyaK | and gravy! |
| 15:52.38 | Ressy | well yeah.. You can't have Poutine without gravy |
| 15:52.39 | bluspacecow | ah poo tine |
| 15:52.47 | bluspacecow | the typical canadian dish |
| 15:53.30 | Ressy | I'm headed to Cairenn's area for the long weekend.. I gotta hit up one of the good Poutine stores. |
| 15:53.48 | Cairenn | Little bit east of me |
| 15:53.54 | Ressy | nods |
| 15:53.59 | Ressy | My sis moved out of your area :( |
| 15:54.04 | Cairenn | If you want the good (traditional) stuff |
| 15:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, Poutine. There's a restaurant around here that apparently serves up a great one. |
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| 15:54.17 | nilyaK1 | ugh wifi. |
| 15:54.46 | Ressy | my sis is over by Bayshore now |
| 15:55.41 | Dagmar | Pfft. Poutine. http://i.imgur.com/twdmb.jpg > * |
| 15:55.47 | Unkle | I'm more of a chilli-cheese fries kind of guy. But you know, poutine ain't half-bad. |
| 15:55.48 | Ressy | ew |
| 15:56.10 | Ressy | I prefer poutine to steak, thx. |
| 15:57.04 | Fisker | i'm just gonna be sick Dagmar |
| 15:57.53 | Unkle | Mmm... steaks. |
| 15:58.39 | Cairenn | Imo, the only thing that chips should have on them are salt, vinegar and perhaps ketchup |
| 15:58.54 | Ressy | I thought that myself until my first bite of poutine |
| 15:59.06 | Cairenn | cheese curds & gravy ... just no |
| 15:59.34 | Ressy | Some places use just normal cheese, instead of curds |
| 15:59.39 | Cairenn | still |
| 15:59.41 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 15:59.48 | Ressy | doesn't taste as good tho, oddly enough |
| 15:59.51 | Ressy | I know it sounds grody |
| 15:59.54 | Ressy | but damn.. |
| 15:59.56 | bluspacecow | wot is pooo tine ? |
| 16:00.10 | g0urra | I thought it's pronounced poo teen |
| 16:00.16 | bluspacecow | pootime |
| 16:00.17 | Ressy | it is |
| 16:00.20 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 16:00.25 | bluspacecow | ok poo teen |
| 16:00.28 | bluspacecow | sounds dirty |
| 16:00.56 | nilyaK1 | clearly not enough blood in those steaks |
| 16:01.03 | Ressy | The curds don't tend to melt tho unless the gravy is really hot... |
| 16:01.10 | Ressy | Which really sucks |
| 16:01.13 | nilyaK1 | bloody rare ftw |
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| 16:05.43 | nilyaK1 | creepy URL about penetrating asia: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/21/ancient_skull_early_human_migration/ |
| 16:05.52 | nilyaK1 | >_> way to title things Internet |
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| 16:15.35 | nilyaK1 | when I read back posts of theoatmeal's blog, I always end up being like WHYYY http://baconlube.com/ (about sex but you know, not graphic or w/e prob sfw unless your boss is a jerk) |
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| 16:21.00 | F16Gaming | anyone using eset and mumble together here? |
| 16:24.56 | Unkle | nilyaK1 Hey, if making your junk taste like bacon leads to more of certain activities, then I for one welcome our new bacony overlords. |
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| 16:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Ick. |
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| 16:27.36 | Torhal | Unkle: For some reason, I thought "What's shakin', bacon tits?" |
| 16:28.00 | Lopeppeppy | rolls her eyes and dates a vegetarian! |
| 16:28.12 | Ressy | yuck. bacon |
| 16:28.29 | kagaro | bacon is just .. just .. too good |
| 16:30.28 | prencher | Torhal: HR will be in touch |
| 16:30.46 | Ackis | my father-in-law got in shit for feeding his dogs bread dipped in bacon grease |
| 16:30.53 | Torhal | prencher: Yay? |
| 16:31.00 | nilyaK1 | why? :X dogs love bacon |
| 16:31.32 | Ackis | it made them sick (pancreatitis)... too much fat all at once |
| 16:31.42 | nilyaK1 | oic |
| 16:31.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Once is fine. A lot is bad. |
| 16:32.08 | Torhal | Cairenn: s/Producer/DIrector/ |
| 16:32.22 | Cairenn | errr, k |
| 16:32.52 | Cairenn | fixed |
| 16:34.01 | Ackis | Torhal: what's that for? |
| 16:37.02 | Torhal | Ackis: You're an asshole, that's what. |
| 16:37.10 | Ackis | huh? |
| 16:37.17 | Ackis | that was rude and uncalled for |
| 16:37.41 | durcyn | well, it was rude anyway |
| 16:37.41 | Ressy | Uh huh |
| 16:38.17 | Ressy | Ackis is harassing poor Torhal through unsuspecting 3rd parties. |
| 16:38.25 | Vladinator | Torhal: any response from Blue? :( |
| 16:38.45 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 16:38.45 | Torhal | Vladinator: Nope. |
| 16:38.52 | bluspacecow | from me ? |
| 16:38.54 | Vladinator | :( |
| 16:39.02 | Torhal | bluspacecow: You're a green, not a blue |
| 16:39.03 | Vladinator | our major bug is either known bug or haven't noticed? :3 |
| 16:39.04 | Ackis | Ressy: you're the only one I took advantage of, you can't over do it or he goes nutz |
| 16:39.11 | pompy | bluspacecow: you are blu not blue |
| 16:39.17 | Torhal | Vladinator: I've been told that someone has been poked about it. |
| 16:39.36 | Torhal | Ackis: You've had MANY people send that over the past year. |
| 16:39.40 | Semlar | does anyone know what ||| (three vertical bars) do in haskell |
| 16:39.50 | Ackis | Torhal: but only one today |
| 16:39.58 | Torhal | :P |
| 16:40.00 | Ackis | Torhal: my pinnacle will be when I get Hubert to send it to you |
| 16:40.08 | Semlar | it's super hard to search for |
| 16:40.14 | Torhal | That's the day I make a trek to Canada. |
| 16:40.24 | Torhal | Slap your ass in the SPCA. |
| 16:40.33 | Vladinator | ~spank Ackis |
| 16:40.33 | purl | ACTION bends Ackis over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Ackis's pasty white buttocks. |
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| 16:40.45 | pompy | ~smackis |
| 16:40.45 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 16:40.54 | Ackis | it's a good thing we're friends Torhal |
| 16:41.22 | Torhal | Yes. I'd beat you with pompy otherwise. |
| 16:41.31 | Ackis | I like pompy |
| 16:41.35 | pompy | group hug! |
| 16:41.35 | Ackis | he slept with me kind of |
| 16:41.39 | Torhal | ... |
| 16:41.40 | pompy | :O |
| 16:41.42 | Ackis | we had a group hug at blizzcon! |
| 16:41.56 | prencher | pompy was at blizzcon? |
| 16:41.59 | prencher | dodged a bullet |
| 16:42.00 | Ackis | yeah |
| 16:42.01 | Torhal | prencher: Yes |
| 16:42.15 | pompy | you knew that prencher |
| 16:42.18 | Vladinator | I wait for when Blizzcon comes to Norway |
| 16:42.20 | Vladinator | then I'll attend :D |
| 16:42.40 | Unkle | Pompy was part of Operation "Work the Line" at the Curse party |
| 16:42.45 | pompy | Vladinator: gl with that |
| 16:43.39 | pompy | Unkle: yeah torhal just cut like 45645 ppl behind me.. NBD |
| 16:44.06 | Torhal | prencher: Dude on the right: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/300946_578292427179_186571646_n.jpg |
| 16:44.22 | Unkle | Hey, ONE of you bastards was drinking diet and ended my party night right quick... so, you now... love you guys and all, but fuck you. |
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| 16:45.16 | Ackis | Torhal: this is the best pic of prencher http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/335238_10150358324351686_46384775_o.jpg |
| 16:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | You got "dieted", Unkle? |
| 16:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | That sucks. |
| 16:45.45 | prencher | Ackis: Your wifey got the best angle on that |
| 16:45.48 | Ackis | Unkle: what does that mean? |
| 16:45.49 | Unkle | Between the small amount of booze I did get, the aspartame, and then the massive doeses of antihystamine... |
| 16:45.58 | Ackis | prencher: yeah pretty wicked :D |
| 16:46.02 | kd3 | he's allergic to aspartame |
| 16:46.06 | Ackis | oh |
| 16:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | Like getting me a sunburn - instant death. |
| 16:46.41 | Unkle | Someone put their diet drink right next to mine. I picked up and slammed the wrong drink |
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| 16:46.52 | Torhal | Eww |
| 16:47.00 | Ackis | Unkle: I didn't know that, poor bastard |
| 16:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Mrs. Ackis takes good pictures. Like many ladies, she does it so she's BEHIND the camera, not in front! |
| 16:47.18 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I got some good pics of Cairenn and Sunshine |
| 16:47.21 | Unkle | And Cairenn, bless her heart got me anti-hystamines from the first aid crew. |
| 16:47.22 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 16:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sunshine? I don't know a Sunshine. But I adore Cairenn. |
| 16:47.51 | Unkle | But, I barely made it back to my room before all that stuff knocked me on my ass. |
| 16:48.00 | Ackis | Unkle: had I known you were allergic, I would've given you mouth to mouth to save you |
| 16:48.03 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy you'd like Sunshine. She's a sweetie. |
| 16:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'm surprised you don't carry a few in your pocket, Unkle. I carry sudafed everyfrigginwhere. |
| 16:48.13 | Cairenn | Was a shame you missed the party Ackis, we all danced our asses off |
| 16:48.20 | Cairenn | errr, Unkle |
| 16:48.22 | Unkle | Ackis - you'd have been busy slipping me the tongue. |
| 16:48.26 | Cairenn | goes back to what she was doing |
| 16:48.32 | Torhal | Cairenn: No mention of dancing, please. |
| 16:48.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:48.35 | pompy | Cairenn grinded torhal! |
| 16:48.38 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | Only so much of THAT Mrs. Ackis would photograph, I think. |
| 16:48.44 | kd3 | for various definitions of "dancing" |
| 16:48.48 | Cairenn | More like Torhal grinded me! :p |
| 16:48.59 | Unkle | hubba hubba |
| 16:49.15 | Torhal | Cairenn: Funny thing is, pompy misremembered and he WASN'T sloshed! |
| 16:49.17 | Ressy | That sounds like a fun party. lol |
| 16:49.23 | pompy | lol |
| 16:49.38 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 16:50.10 | Cairenn | As long as she's drinking because she's in a -good- mood, Cairenn is known to have lots of fun when drinking |
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| 16:50.54 | nilyaK1 | reminds everyone to DL Flash 11.4 and AIR 3.4 |
| 16:51.08 | durcyn | or, you know, delete same |
| 16:52.49 | Unkle | Dancing is good for the soul. There was more dancing at the Curse party than the WoWI party, but WoWI party had more people falling into pools. |
| 16:53.22 | Unkle | is looking forward to BlizzCon 2013. |
| 16:53.23 | Torhal | …and paying. |
| 16:53.28 | Ackis | you couldn't move at the wowi party :( |
| 16:53.36 | Ackis | but I got my picture taken with Lore! |
| 16:54.05 | durcyn | eesh, this new tf2 game mode is an exercise in frustration, the matchmaking doesn't work then you end up with five mental patients |
| 16:54.08 | Cairenn | Torhal paying? for ... ? |
| 16:54.17 | Torhal | Drinks! |
| 16:54.18 | Unkle | Drinks. |
| 16:54.31 | Cairenn | ah, yeah |
| 16:54.33 | Unkle | Long lines for the bars too. |
| 16:55.20 | Unkle | But still, a good time. |
| 16:55.24 | Vladinator | Ackis look what I made a while ago http://ahawk.ziuo.net/ :P |
| 16:55.59 | Unkle | Torhal and I were joking about how long it would take someone to fall into the pool, someone did... while we were talking about it. |
| 16:56.08 | Torhal | lol |
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| 16:57.21 | Ressy | lol |
| 16:57.28 | Vladinator | lol |
| 16:57.28 | Ressy | I hope to make 2013 :D |
| 16:57.51 | Torhal | Ressy: If you have to shack up with Ackis, his wife will protect you. |
| 16:57.58 | Torhal | Him, rather. |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | btw this WoA fiasko, isn't it tearing down tentonhammers reputation? |
| 16:59.09 | Vladinator | I remember faintly that it was becoming popular |
| 16:59.17 | Vladinator | now its pretty much ruined |
| 16:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | I sure hope it is.... |
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| 16:59.42 | Ressy | Torhal: The forum regs get together, and rent rooms together. |
| 17:00.08 | Torhal | Ah |
| 17:00.37 | Ressy | I'd room with the girls :) |
| 17:00.49 | Torhal | You sure that's wise? |
| 17:00.51 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 17:01.00 | Vladinator | I have a sleeping condition and I snore a lot :( I doubt anyone would wanna share room with me. |
| 17:01.20 | Ackis | Ressy: when we were at blizzcon we had 6 people in one room, 2 females, 4 males |
| 17:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | I can recommend which of the channel guys would be good ones to room share with - barring snoring issues, of course, I only rate personalities. |
| 17:01.32 | Ackis | worked out quite well, until pompy passed out in Sunshine's bed |
| 17:01.36 | Ressy | lol |
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| 17:02.41 | Ackis | and he slept diagnolly in the bed too apparently |
| 17:03.07 | Vladinator | seriously before the op I would keep the neighbors up all night :P |
| 17:03.09 | Torhal | Aparently? |
| 17:03.19 | Torhal | s/Ap/App/ |
| 17:03.26 | Ackis | Torhal: I was passed out by then |
| 17:03.30 | Torhal | Ah |
| 17:03.35 | Ackis | Vladinator: I snore too, but I have a CPAP machine |
| 17:03.54 | Ackis | Torhal: Sunshine usually came to the room in the weeee hours of the morning, lil party goer |
| 17:04.11 | nilyaK1 | I'm imagining the guy who could not sleep from that james bond movie with that crazy face mask |
| 17:04.16 | Torhal | Ackis: She wasn't partying - she was honing her DOctor skills. |
| 17:04.18 | Unkle | I think for the next event, I'm going to try to get a room actually at the show hotels. because my 1 mile walk each way, while good for my health, made going to my room for somethign suck. |
| 17:07.16 | Arrowmaster | i liked how close my hotel was but i didnt like the lack of free wifi in the room |
| 17:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | Free wifi isn't being offered by most major hotels. They see it as another "add on". |
| 17:08.03 | Vladinator | Really? |
| 17:08.20 | Arrowmaster | i even tried to pay for it but it didnt work |
| 17:08.24 | Vladinator | Even in Bulgaria, poor and mafia ran country, got free Wifi ;D |
| 17:08.32 | Arrowmaster | had to call up and get a refund after i got home |
| 17:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | The wired is often free, but the wifi isn't. |
| 17:09.26 | Vladinator | I am not sued to tips, but, could I give hugs instead? |
| 17:09.33 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: it depends on the area really, high end hotels see it as an addon while low end ones see it as an added free service to draw people in |
| 17:09.54 | Vladinator | I agree |
| 17:10.15 | Vladinator | high end hotels being full of themselves, been there, seen that :P |
| 17:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I said "major". But even the wimpy motel I stayed at 2 weeks ago had a fee, it was stoooopid. |
| 17:10.47 | |Jelly| | something something arrow to the knee something |
| 17:10.50 | Arrowmaster | in their defense though, typically when you have to pay for the wifi its really good, except in my case at blizzcon where the wifi was outsoruced to AT&T and i couldnt get it to work |
| 17:10.56 | Torhal | http://i.imgur.com/DoFOr.jpg |
| 17:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | Blizzcon, zillionty people. Yeah, that would stress a wifi |
| 17:11.31 | Ackis | old torhal |
| 17:11.38 | mikma | torhal: fuck that loser? |
| 17:11.40 | Vladinator | that is why you have one authentication router that distributes the load fairly among the other connections :P |
| 17:11.44 | Torhal | stuffs Ackis in a locker. |
| 17:11.59 | Vladinator | Torhal explain, I am a bit lost too. :P |
| 17:12.14 | Arrowmaster | no free breakfast was another part i didnt like about the hotel i stayed in |
| 17:12.48 | Torhal | mikma, Vladinator: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-21-diablo-1-and-2-co-creator-breviks-diablo-3-was-very-different |
| 17:12.56 | Arrowmaster | i had to travel to PA for work and stayed at a shitty super8 that at least had begals and some other stuff for breakfast |
| 17:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | Poptarts, the breakfast of champions. |
| 17:13.18 | Xinhuan | can't have free stuff and eat it too :P |
| 17:13.36 | Arrowmaster | then i had to travel to IN for a family funeral and the holiday inn express there had good free wifi and fucking bacon and eggs for free breakfast |
| 17:13.43 | mikma | http://images.eurogamer.net/2012/articles//a/1/5/0/7/9/9/6/Marvel-Heroes-Screenshot-3.jpg HULK SMASH! |
| 17:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | Puny gods. |
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| 17:15.44 | Arrowmaster | bacon, scrambled eggs, biscuts and gravy, best free breakfast ive ever had |
| 17:15.54 | Torhal | mikma, Vladinator: http://www.gameranx.com/img/12-Aug/diablo3hate.png |
| 17:16.43 | Ackis | doesn't get the whole biscuits and gravy |
| 17:17.07 | Vladinator | Are you sure it's not a rumor, that Jay Wilson is the real person? |
| 17:17.30 | Torhal | Vladinator: Yes. |
| 17:17.45 | Torhal | He actually deleted the Facebook post after he caught wind that it leaked. |
| 17:17.58 | Vladinator | Is he creating a PR issue like I did when I wrote the thing about viruses on wowi? :P |
| 17:18.13 | Torhal | From the stink it raised, I'd say so. |
| 17:18.18 | Vladinator | Nice |
| 17:18.39 | Vladinator | I never understood why having to express once oppinions like that on the net, it's silly. :3 |
| 17:18.56 | Vladinator | Oh well people set themselves up for being humiliated when using facebook .P |
| 17:19.17 | Vladinator | Like writing on your wall or being on facebook when you are at sick leave and your boss can see what you are doing, your own fault ^^ |
| 17:19.39 | Ackis | that's why you don't friend your boss |
| 17:19.46 | Vladinator | I don't use fb at all :D |
| 17:20.20 | Vladinator | The government has to spy on me using the more oldscrool ways like hooking my lines, I won't give them the pleasure of downloading my profile and activities :D |
| 17:24.33 | mikma | ooooj, Marvel Heroes |
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| 17:25.40 | Dagmar | More like "lol Marvel Heroes" |
| 17:27.17 | mikma | maybe for you |
| 17:27.56 | Vladinator | On curse, what does premium mean when it says legacy? |
| 17:29.29 | Vladinator | Subscription Type | Signup Date | Expiration Date | Auto Renew | Status |
| 17:29.30 | Vladinator | Curse Premium (Complimentary) | 3/7/2011 | 8/25/2012 | False | Active |
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| 17:29.49 | Semlar | legacy? |
| 17:29.51 | Vladinator | it's weird that I notice it now and it expires this Saturday, lol. |
| 17:29.55 | End_ | mine says legacy too |
| 17:30.05 | End_ | and mine always expires every month and then gets renewed automatically |
| 17:30.06 | Semlar | it renews every month |
| 17:30.08 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 17:30.20 | Vladinator | because I am one of the first authors on curse? :P |
| 17:30.36 | Vladinator | wonder what defines "legacy" |
| 17:30.43 | End_ | dunno] |
| 17:31.06 | Vladinator | Torhal is here and he probably knows, but I distracted him with a PM so he is probably lost in the other channel, I'll try unstuck him. |
| 17:31.13 | Vladinator | ~poke Torhal |
| 17:31.13 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Torhal, pokes Torhal repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:31.38 | Torhal | Vladinator: It's complimentary premium for authors with > 1000 downlaods. |
| 17:31.41 | Torhal | downloads* |
| 17:31.59 | Vladinator | Each 1000 download gives me one month, or? |
| 17:32.14 | End_ | the "legacy" part is the only part I don't understand |
| 17:32.17 | Semlar | pretty sure the first thousand gives you free premium for life |
| 17:32.26 | Vladinator | Really? Interesting. |
| 17:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | oooooh, for life! |
| 17:32.42 | Semlar | legacy could just be because you've.. inherited it |
| 17:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | plots to murder some authors and steal their legacies! |
| 17:32.52 | Torhal | End_: I think there's a new premium system but the complimentary premium uses the old system. No idea why they SHOW that, however. |
| 17:32.58 | End_ | ahh |
| 17:33.03 | End_ | okay |
| 17:33.07 | Semlar | it also could mean it's an older system |
| 17:33.08 | Unkle | puts on kevlar with ceramic plates and wears a helmet. |
| 17:33.25 | Vladinator | I wish curseforge had a more detailed overview of your addons :( |
| 17:33.27 | Torhal | Unkle: Don't forget the baconaisse. |
| 17:33.32 | Vladinator | Statistical information would be nifty! |
| 17:33.53 | Semlar | like what |
| 17:33.53 | Torhal | Vladinator: Like…? We have download counts. Also per-file. |
| 17:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | Baconaisse would not deter me from cutting out Unkle's kidneys. |
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| 17:34.14 | Lopeppeppy | Just from eating them afterward. |
| 17:34.19 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/AAlMZ |
| 17:34.37 | Vladinator | That is nice, but I mean on the main screen, total sums, downloads, latest patch downloads, last comments, tickets, e.g. |
| 17:34.46 | Vladinator | I like it how wowi has done it ^^ |
| 17:35.09 | Vladinator | Also support for rss, like on wowi I can track any new comments made to my addons there so I can quicker reply. |
| 17:35.11 | Semlar | well the files tab has all the downloads of each file |
| 17:35.20 | kd3 | yay, new wireless nic. let's see how it does |
| 17:35.37 | Vladinator | I know the info is there, just would be more epic if it was gathered ;) |
| 17:35.49 | Torhal | Vladinator: Oh, I thought you meant per-project. You can blame the current look on ckknight. prencher should be fixing it at some point. |
| 17:36.00 | Semlar | you want something more compact |
| 17:36.07 | Vladinator | http://www.curseforge.com/home/ |
| 17:36.11 | Vladinator | that's what I am talking aboot :3 |
| 17:36.14 | Torhal | Yah |
| 17:36.16 | Vladinator | compare to http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php |
| 17:36.17 | Torhal | I hate it too. |
| 17:36.36 | Vladinator | if I ran it I'd develop the screen asap |
| 17:36.41 | Vladinator | but I guess its not so easy? :P |
| 17:36.44 | Vladinator | when in a company |
| 17:36.45 | Torhal | No. |
| 17:36.49 | Semlar | the latest comments thing makes a big difference |
| 17:37.00 | Vladinator | latest comments + tickets for curse would be nice ;) |
| 17:37.03 | Vladinator | and RSS support for both |
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| 17:37.12 | Semlar | i have never had anyone submit a ticket ever |
| 17:37.17 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 17:37.20 | End_ | I've seen a few tickets submitted |
| 17:37.21 | Torhal | 99017198 |
| 17:37.24 | Vladinator | hehe |
| 17:37.36 | Vladinator | why are you posting my cellphone, Torhal? |
| 17:37.48 | Torhal | S&G |
| 17:37.54 | Semlar | i don't even know how to create a ticket |
| 17:38.03 | Vladinator | under tickets you can create a ticket |
| 17:38.04 | Torhal | Semlar: Go to the project page, there's a tab |
| 17:38.07 | Vladinator | yes |
| 17:38.12 | Semlar | only on curseforge though right |
| 17:38.16 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 17:38.17 | Semlar | you can't do it on curse.com? |
| 17:38.22 | Torhal | No. |
| 17:38.32 | Torhal | Curse is distribution. CurseForge/WoWAce is development. |
| 17:39.09 | Semlar | a lot of addon users don't really know about curseforge |
| 17:39.13 | Vladinator | wowace and curseforge is the same I reckon |
| 17:39.14 | Semlar | even though it's linked to from curse |
| 17:39.28 | Vladinator | merged since wowace "shut down" and curse fired up |
| 17:39.38 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: same backend, different policies |
| 17:39.40 | End_ | kinda the same |
| 17:39.45 | End_ | yeah that |
| 17:40.19 | durcyn | curseforge exists because someone decided it wasn't nice to say "your code sucks" anymore |
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| 17:40.53 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 17:40.58 | Arrowmaster | you have been voted off the wowace |
| 17:41.02 | Torhal | Oh. |
| 17:42.19 | Dagmar | *sigh* Yay Nashville. http://www.tbi.tn.gov/documents/TBIchargesfourforrolesinBedfordCountyhomicide.pdf |
| 17:42.49 | Dagmar | $400 to kill a family member |
| 17:43.40 | kd3 | that's it? |
| 17:45.11 | Blazeflack | That has got to be one of the cheapest hitmurders in history :o |
| 17:45.20 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C1ych583TI |
| 17:45.25 | Semlar | relevent |
| 17:45.27 | End_ | hardly professional, obviously :P |
| 17:46.46 | g0urra | 'MURICA |
| 17:47.20 | Semlar | "two grand is just not enough to have it done right, you get what you pay for" |
| 17:48.34 | pompy | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/362504/teen-charged-for-theft-of-runescape-currency/ |
| 17:52.01 | pompy | http://nerdreactor.com/2012/08/21/the-gloves-are-off-ea-vs-zynga-over-copyright-infringment/ FIGHT. |
| 17:52.07 | Semlar | fake money, fake gun |
| 17:53.46 | Dagmar | Did I miss something or is that also a fake screenshot of RuneScape? |
| 17:54.00 | Semlar | is nothing sacred any more |
| 17:54.02 | Dagmar | Like, I don't think that's RuneScape |
| 17:55.55 | Semlar | i don't think it's runescape either |
| 17:56.18 | prencher | yeah that's not runescape |
| 17:56.31 | Dagmar | Runescape wishes it could look that good for one thing |
| 17:56.42 | prencher | what do you expect from "computerandvideogames.com" though |
| 17:56.44 | Dagmar | I'm staring straight at it and feel absolutely no urge to claw out my eyes |
| 17:56.47 | Dagmar | Can't be RuneScape |
| 17:57.04 | g0urra | it's War of Legends |
| 17:57.17 | prencher | runescape's graphics had a certain charm to it.. and then they came out with horrid polygon based mess |
| 17:57.19 | Dagmar | They should probably sue for defamation |
| 17:57.26 | Semlar | lol |
| 17:57.27 | g0urra | sue! sue! sue! |
| 17:57.28 | prencher | like 5 years ago or whatever |
| 17:57.50 | bluspacecow | @g0urra george ! george ! george ! |
| 17:57.52 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 17:58.17 | g0urra | what |
| 17:58.56 | bluspacecow | sue and george! |
| 17:58.58 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 18:00.24 | g0urra | what? |
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| 18:00.47 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 18:00.50 | Humbedooh | bluspacecow been sniffin' that glue again :\ |
| 18:01.10 | bluspacecow | the wall next to is curiously missing paint now |
| 18:01.17 | bluspacecow | and i have an odd taste in my mouth |
| 18:01.28 | Dagmar | No one makes sniffable glue anymore |
| 18:01.29 | Semlar | that's asbestos |
| 18:01.43 | Dagmar | As a result, it's all about self-tapping wood screws now. |
| 18:01.54 | bluspacecow | http://cheezburger.com/6519696128 |
| 18:02.22 | Cairenn | that's gotta be fake |
| 18:02.41 | Ressy | you'd think that... |
| 18:02.51 | Dagmar | What WalMart passes off as a replacement for rubber cement still smells like death, and holds things about as well as those synthetic boogers they use to hold subscription cards inside magazine with |
| 18:02.54 | Cairenn | That was half prayer, |
| 18:03.07 | Cairenn | @ Ressy |
| 18:03.35 | Semlar | i would probably avoid breathing any rubber cement fumes |
| 18:03.44 | Ressy | All I know is, I will be sitting down with my child every night to do additional teaching/explanations if needed to my son when he gets older. |
| 18:03.47 | Dagmar | That's okay, it's not rubber cement. |
| 18:03.57 | Dagmar | Rubber cement would actually fucking work |
| 18:03.58 | Semlar | i'm not sure it's an improvement |
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| 18:04.55 | Dagmar | https://www.google.com/search?q=e6000 <-- completely fucking worthless. Do not buy. |
| 18:05.58 | Dagmar | I have a lot of different glues in a drawer. E6000 is the only one that universally doesn't hold a fucking thing properly |
| 18:06.19 | Dagmar | Fails on metal, wood, plastics *and* leather. |
| 18:06.39 | Semlar | even.. pleather? |
| 18:06.57 | Dagmar | Yep. Even pleather (which is what I was trying to use it on originally) |
| 18:07.13 | Semlar | what are you trying to bond |
| 18:07.27 | Dagmar | Actually I was trying to bond pleather to ABS plastic |
| 18:07.40 | Semlar | crazy glue might work |
| 18:07.46 | End_ | sounds crazy |
| 18:07.52 | Semlar | just crazy enough to work |
| 18:08.21 | Semlar | it might partially melt the plastic |
| 18:08.32 | Dagmar | Crazy glue degrades rapidly when exposed to the elements |
| 18:08.53 | Dagmar | http://jbweld.net/products/jbkwik.php <-- this shit, on the hand, can glue more than just midgets to i-beams |
| 18:09.48 | Semlar | you could try some type of epoxy resin but you're bonding two very different surfaces |
| 18:10.53 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 18:10.53 | purl | http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 18:16.00 | Vladinator | ~dict good game |
| 18:16.31 | Vladinator | "A polite remark uttered after the end of a round, game, or other measured interval to indicate that a match was fair and enjoyable." |
| 18:16.37 | Vladinator | Why do so little know what "gg" is? P |
| 18:16.45 | Vladinator | They just say "gg" at the end regardless of the game :D |
| 18:16.58 | Ackis | today is the first day I've gotten dressed in 5 days! /cheerself |
| 18:17.30 | Vladinator | is that your excuse? |
| 18:17.39 | Ackis | excuse for what? |
| 18:18.17 | Vladinator | for now knowing what good game means :P |
| 18:18.36 | Ackis | I know what gg means though |
| 18:18.42 | Ackis | gfg too |
| 18:18.51 | Ackis | it's not always polite either |
| 18:19.07 | Ackis | e.g. gg n00b |
| 18:19.15 | Vladinator | I stick by the positive proper use, not the "I am clever" use of gg :P |
| 18:19.42 | prencher | Ackis is a hipster, and thus exclusively uses "gg" |
| 18:19.48 | prencher | with the quotes |
| 18:20.17 | Ackis | actually I don't say anything, I just leave the match and kick a cat |
| 18:20.44 | Vladinator | should this work? function SlashCmdList[unique](msg, editbox) end |
| 18:20.48 | Vladinator | unique is a string |
| 18:21.00 | Vladinator | it said " '(' expected near '['" |
| 18:21.23 | End_ | no it shouldn't |
| 18:21.49 | End_ | you could just do SlashCmdList[unique] = function(msg, editbox) |
| 18:21.53 | Vladinator | ye |
| 18:22.10 | End_ | (when I say shouldn't I mean, of course, the language doesn't allow doing it that way) |
| 18:22.34 | Vladinator | Jeremybell change the line to: SlashCmdList[unique] = function(msg, editbox) |
| 18:23.01 | Vladinator | table[key] and table.key is the same thing, Jeremybell ;) |
| 18:23.09 | Vladinator | but it depends a bit how they are used |
| 18:25.48 | Vladinator | still error "SlashCmdList[unique] = function (msg, editbox)" |
| 18:25.51 | Vladinator | expected ( and not [ :/ |
| 18:26.04 | Vladinator | did blizz change slash commands? |
| 18:26.13 | End_ | not that I'm aware of |
| 18:26.22 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 18:26.45 | Vladinator | it works if I specifically say what the key is |
| 18:26.54 | Vladinator | but if I wanna be clever and use a string it fails :P |
| 18:27.00 | Jeremybell | I used that kd3 and Vlad suggested this to me, but cant get it working |
| 18:27.23 | Vladinator | there is the easy way to fix it but I wanna do it the fancy way :( |
| 18:27.32 | End_ | link the code for us somewhere I guess |
| 18:27.37 | Vladinator | pastey |
| 18:28.34 | Jeremybell | http://pastebin.com/hiytrjiz |
| 18:28.53 | Vladinator | you didn't change the line :P |
| 18:29.01 | Jeremybell | thats the old one |
| 18:29.06 | Vladinator | aha |
| 18:29.18 | Vladinator | line 43 |
| 18:29.19 | Jeremybell | and now let me post whats changed: |
| 18:29.39 | Jeremybell | function SlashCmdList[unique](msg, editbox) was changed to function SlashCmdList[unique] = function(msg, editbox) both bugged |
| 18:29.50 | Vladinator | 2nd is wrong |
| 18:29.59 | Vladinator | function a() end |
| 18:29.59 | Vladinator | a = function() end |
| 18:30.00 | Vladinator | same thing |
| 18:30.12 | Vladinator | "function SlashCmdList[unique] = function(msg, editbox)" |
| 18:30.20 | Vladinator | is not correct, if the prefix is a part of the code :P |
| 18:30.29 | End_ | works for me |
| 18:30.31 | Jeremybell | you wrote it ;p |
| 18:30.34 | End_ | oh |
| 18:30.36 | End_ | no function |
| 18:30.36 | End_ | just |
| 18:30.41 | Vladinator | SlashCmdList[unique] = function(msg, editbox) |
| 18:30.44 | End_ | ^ |
| 18:30.45 | Jeremybell | ok |
| 18:30.45 | Vladinator | that's line 43 |
| 18:31.04 | Vladinator | dota theme is now blue |
| 18:31.08 | Vladinator | I like it more, red was too bloody :P |
| 18:31.18 | Vladinator | also a remark |
| 18:31.33 | Vladinator | the Init functions should be better so calling them would toggle or specific turn on/off, not just initiazlie |
| 18:31.36 | Vladinator | initialize |
| 18:31.46 | Jeremybell | solved, now another bug vlad ;p |
| 18:31.51 | Vladinator | thinking about the interface checkbox options, would be best for them to use the same functions |
| 18:31.52 | Vladinator | yae? |
| 18:32.37 | Jeremybell | its idd in the checkboxes ;p |
| 18:33.39 | Vladinator | I didn't want to write everyone totally different |
| 18:33.44 | Vladinator | just kept the overall idea you went for |
| 18:33.51 | Jeremybell | yeh |
| 18:34.01 | bluspacecow | anyone attempted to get D3 open ? |
| 18:38.28 | durcyn | i've been playing for half an hour, why |
| 18:42.07 | Kraps | oh hay its 1.0.4! |
| 18:43.29 | bluspacecow | i appear to of borked my copy of D3 |
| 18:43.30 | bluspacecow | oh well |
| 18:45.14 | g0urra | "to of"? |
| 18:45.29 | bluspacecow | oh leave me alone :P |
| 18:45.54 | Kraps | all of the sudden |
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| 18:47.44 | Adys | ~seen ojii |
| 18:47.47 | purl | i haven't seen 'ojii', Adys |
| 18:48.25 | g0urra | bluspacecow: you also get "Diablo III is already running"? |
| 18:48.38 | bluspacecow | nah internal error |
| 18:48.39 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 18:48.42 | g0urra | oh |
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| 18:59.47 | bluspacecow | and suddenly a restart ! |
| 19:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yay, I have water in my apartment again! (that I can use, that is) |
| 19:06.13 | Vladinator | Jeremybell: don't be shy, you can speak here too when you need help |
| 19:06.24 | Vladinator | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 19:07.56 | Kraps | d3 is choking |
| 19:08.00 | Kraps | hard |
| 19:08.11 | Vladinator | Mrs. Chokesondicks |
| 19:08.17 | Kraps | weird |
| 19:08.18 | Vladinator | anyone got the reference? :P |
| 19:08.31 | Vladinator | south park |
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| 19:12.31 | Primer | Choking as in, no one's playing it any more? |
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| 19:12.46 | Jeremybell | http://pastebin.com/2i1K0Suk |
| 19:13.06 | Jeremybell | My addon loads 2 times |
| 19:13.07 | Primer | Waste of $60, IMO. I killed diablo for the second time and said "And I have to do this 2 more times? Fuck this!" |
| 19:13.09 | Jeremybell | 1 time fully, 1 tame not |
| 19:13.13 | Jeremybell | Anyone knows why? |
| 19:13.53 | Kraps | no i have a very low framefrate |
| 19:14.30 | Adys | "I'm a random anonymous user on a blog-news site and I know more about the subject of this article than the people involved in it. My opinion is as follows and anyone who disagrees is an idiot" |
| 19:14.52 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 19:15.07 | Kraps | Adys, needs context, the internet is a huge place |
| 19:15.18 | Fisker | sounds about right Adys |
| 19:15.21 | Adys | it really doesnt need context |
| 19:15.28 | Adys | every fucking news about everything |
| 19:15.32 | Fisker | i would call them dumb fucks though and not just idiots |
| 19:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | He's avoiding auto-censor, Fisker. |
| 19:16.16 | bluspacecow | f'xd my d3 install |
| 19:16.43 | Adys | There was an article about Google's anti-spam contractors |
| 19:16.51 | bluspacecow | agent wasn't communicating with something something (not sure what) and wasn't updating the agent.db file correctly. restored it from a backup |
| 19:16.58 | Adys | people who have to look at child porn, gore, beastiality etc all day |
| 19:17.12 | Adys | and they are all contracted for one year; the article was about followup therapy etc |
| 19:17.17 | Adys | first fucking comment |
| 19:17.24 | Adys | "Oh well if I had this job I dont think I would need therapy" |
| 19:17.36 | Dagmar | Oh yes they would |
| 19:17.47 | Dagmar | There's a datacenter down in Atlanta that hosts a *lot* of porn |
| 19:18.09 | Dagmar | The people in their complaints dept generally last about three months. A few have made it fivew. |
| 19:18.23 | bluspacecow | heh dagmar |
| 19:18.27 | Dagmar | ...because when someone complains, they have to go look at whatever it was. |
| 19:18.56 | bluspacecow | one of our major ISP's cache server is so full of porn it needs a weekly STD check. |
| 19:19.08 | Adys | ~bluspacecow++ |
| 19:19.10 | Dagmar | Lol |
| 19:19.18 | Dagmar | "Do not stare directly into the caching server!" |
| 19:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | And I nearly commented about how some STDs don't show a true positive for longer than a week... shoot me, I work with college students. |
| 19:22.42 | nilyaK1 | a week? some take months |
| 19:22.49 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 19:22.51 | Fisker | where do i sign up? |
| 19:23.11 | Dagmar | MaxieZ probably knows, but you'd have to live in Atlanta |
| 19:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Blue was only quoting a week though, I was just thinking "that's no where near long enough" |
| 19:23.18 | nilyaK1 | almost there ~25k to go! http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum |
| 19:23.30 | Humbedooh | \o/ |
| 19:23.58 | Fisker | i hope charles carreon sues them and it doesn't go through |
| 19:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | Well aren't you a bundle of sunshine and razorblades, Fisker. |
| 19:25.07 | Fisker | btw Adys do you know if something exists that have reverse engineered airplay mirroring so you don't need an apple tv for it? (i.e. i can go take any ipad and it will work (jailbreak or not))? |
| 19:25.36 | Fisker | pretty much Lopeppeppy |
| 19:25.40 | Adys | Fisker: most likely |
| 19:25.46 | Adys | i wouldnt really know where to find that |
| 19:25.48 | Ressy | nilyaK1.. Whats funny is I'm watching Sanctuary. lol |
| 19:25.52 | Adys | maybe the xna forum has something |
| 19:25.54 | Fisker | i was thinking most likely not :P |
| 19:26.06 | Fisker | it's impossible to search for :O |
| 19:26.16 | Fisker | each time i do i find projects that are able to mirror like from the PC to airplay |
| 19:26.23 | Fisker | but not one being the server |
| 19:27.11 | bluspacecow | mmm warehouse 13 has tesla goodness in it as well :p |
| 19:27.32 | Fisker | old bluspacecow |
| 19:27.38 | Fisker | i like Sanctuary better |
| 19:27.47 | Fisker | Tesla is a sweet vampire |
| 19:28.27 | Jeremybell | Someone knows why my addon gets loaded 2 times: http://pastebin.com/2i1K0Suk |
| 19:28.34 | Fisker | http://www.airserverapp.com/ |
| 19:28.35 | Fisker | oh god |
| 19:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | A very sweet vampire in Sanctuary. I wish that had ended better. |
| 19:29.35 | Fisker | now i just need a free one :P |
| 19:30.41 | bluspacecow | love Sanctuary's first episode tho. miles better then warehouse 13's IMHO |
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| 19:32.16 | Lopeppeppy | Warehouse 13 really grew on me though. Sanctuary started to annoy the crap out of me by the end of season 2, they were really reaching for ways to pretend the lead scientist lady could act. |
| 19:33.51 | Fisker | i am very disappointed in you Lopeppeppy |
| 19:33.54 | Dagmar | Hmm.. Sanctuary is still doing new episodes? |
| 19:34.05 | Ressy | no |
| 19:34.12 | Ressy | It was cancelled. :( |
| 19:34.14 | Dagmar | I figured they'd recognize it when they jumped the land shark |
| 19:35.04 | bluspacecow | how many seasons ? |
| 19:35.15 | Fisker | 4 |
| 19:35.32 | Arrowmaster | new modem, hope it can stay connected |
| 19:35.32 | Fisker | i hate the new sci-fi shows on syfy |
| 19:35.42 | Fisker | wrestling is such a shitty sci-fi show |
| 19:35.46 | Fisker | poor story |
| 19:35.54 | Dagmar | Terrible special effects |
| 19:38.50 | Vladinator | I play dota and no one else cares to help Jeremybell |
| 19:38.53 | Vladinator | is that good PR for wowi? |
| 19:39.49 | TC-Work | is what good PR? |
| 19:39.54 | Jeremybell | I think my message is missed by the others Vladinator ;p |
| 19:39.54 | Vladinator | public relations |
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| 19:40.03 | TC-Work | i mnow what pr means |
| 19:40.13 | Fisker | i don't know what mnow means |
| 19:40.14 | TC-Work | this is not a wowi channel |
| 19:40.29 | Vladinator | I got here when looking for IRC on wowi :P |
| 19:40.29 | Fisker | hey TC-Work |
| 19:40.32 | Fisker | wanna high-five? |
| 19:40.46 | TC-Work | right, because it's linked |
| 19:41.00 | TC-Work | Fisker: only if it includes my but |
| 19:41.03 | Arrowmaster | well this isnt good, speeds are terrible on this new modem |
| 19:41.09 | TC-Work | t |
| 19:43.02 | Fisker | why would you get better speeds Arrowmaster |
| 19:43.33 | Arrowmaster | im getting worse, lower than what im paying for |
| 19:44.18 | Fisker | sure |
| 19:44.24 | Fisker | i'm just wondering why a new modem should fix that |
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| 19:44.51 | Fisker | is it cable or adsl? |
| 19:45.09 | Arrowmaster | cable, and im getting worse speeds than the old modem got |
| 19:45.34 | Arrowmaster | old was a docsis2, new is a docsis3 |
| 19:45.38 | Ressy | whats your old modem, whats your new |
| 19:45.52 | Arrowmaster | sb5101 sb6141 |
| 19:46.16 | Ressy | How many boded channels areyou seeing? |
| 19:46.26 | Arrowmaster | 4 down 1 up |
| 19:46.27 | Ressy | err, bonded* |
| 19:46.36 | Arrowmaster | old was 1 and 1 |
| 19:46.40 | Ressy | how bad is 'worse speeds' |
| 19:46.53 | Arrowmaster | half on down, upload is a fucking trickle |
| 19:47.10 | Ressy | how bad's ping? |
| 19:47.19 | Arrowmaster | ping is good |
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| 19:47.47 | Ressy | Thats odd. |
| 19:49.22 | pompy | Fisker: did steam just update day of defeat source recently and say it was a like 3.8gb update? |
| 19:50.02 | Vladinator | blizzard expanded the dungeon journal, think I had something to do with the motivation or? :P |
| 19:50.22 | Vladinator | I started on the CompleteEJ project a while ago but halted when I encountered some issues with spell information :P |
| 19:50.36 | Neffi | I bet they wanted to do it for a while. I believe it includes all dungeons now? |
| 19:50.43 | Vladinator | yes |
| 19:50.52 | Vladinator | but one problem still there |
| 19:50.55 | Neffi | Really nice. About time. |
| 19:50.57 | Vladinator | many spells scale |
| 19:51.03 | Vladinator | so their numbers are weird :P |
| 19:51.14 | Vladinator | Shadow Bolt 20 damage, used by a 55 will hit more, but it says 20 :P |
| 19:51.16 | Neffi | Maybe I'll work on something like DrDamage/RatingBuster for in-depth boss info |
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| 19:52.32 | Vladinator | LOL |
| 19:52.34 | Vladinator | Blizzard :P |
| 19:53.04 | Vladinator | "Buy Vanilla to Cataclysm for 44.99€! |
| 19:53.09 | Vladinator | eat my shorts |
| 19:53.26 | neutronimity | You would let them eat your most private things |
| 19:53.56 | Vladinator | there are more skids than shorts, so yes |
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| 19:54.41 | Vladinator | I facepalm when I see Cata for 29€ and Wotlk for 19€ store price |
| 19:55.02 | Neffi | It's steep to make a new account, yeah |
| 19:55.02 | Vladinator | Demanding full price for old content that is already paid, shame :P |
| 19:55.16 | Neffi | It would be nice if deprecated expansions would be regularly upstramed into the battle chest |
| 19:55.22 | Neffi | Like only the 2 latest ever cost money |
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| 19:56.04 | Vladinator | "Save up to 75%" but still costs 40€ up to Cata :P |
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| 19:56.19 | Vladinator | 80€ if you add MOP in the mix I reckon :P |
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| 20:00.04 | cbreak | https://www.google.com/search?q=mop |
| 20:00.14 | cbreak | image search is fun. |
| 20:00.49 | Jamash | DIABLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 20:01.13 | Jamash | Neffi: um, they did that with BC |
| 20:01.28 | Neffi | And I think they should do it with WLK now |
| 20:01.33 | Jamash | I agree |
| 20:01.44 | Neffi | And keep Cata at 50% original cost |
| 20:01.52 | Jamash | so, anyone hit paragon 100 yet? XD |
| 20:02.52 | cbreak | I killed diablo already :) |
| 20:03.07 | Jamash | on normal? |
| 20:03.14 | cbreak | that too. |
| 20:08.28 | neutronimity | (not played the game) i haven't heard anything about tyrael |
| 20:08.47 | neutronimity | what's happened to him? he's always fascinated me |
| 20:09.24 | Jamash | he fell and hit his head |
| 20:09.30 | Jamash | and got amnesia |
| 20:09.33 | neutronimity | .o |
| 20:09.35 | neutronimity | :O |
| 20:09.36 | cbreak | typical. |
| 20:09.47 | cbreak | he'll give birth to twins in an elevator. |
| 20:09.52 | cbreak | no, wrong movie. |
| 20:10.43 | Jamash | tyrael's pretty awesome |
| 20:11.21 | cbreak | he has nothing on the enchantress. |
| 20:11.55 | cbreak | "Oh, my boss told me off, so I'll just stand around and sulk, while leaving all the work to the player"... |
| 20:12.06 | Arrow|phone | And it doesn't look like the new modem helped the problem at all |
| 20:12.14 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.26 | jnwhiteh | amro: sec |
| 20:12.37 | Jamash | strength and poison dart dmg on a crossbow \o/ |
| 20:13.11 | Ressy | Arrow... I have an excel sheet that I made which may help you.. |
| 20:13.51 | Jamash | cable modem? |
| 20:13.59 | Ressy | nods |
| 20:14.02 | Jamash | comcast? |
| 20:14.24 | Ressy | The excel sheet tracks your modem channels signal levels |
| 20:14.33 | Arrow|phone | Time warner |
| 20:14.37 | Jamash | ah |
| 20:14.39 | Jamash | nearly as bad |
| 20:14.53 | Ressy | If its a signal spiking, it can show up on the sheet |
| 20:15.10 | cbreak | why the hell did you use excel for that? |
| 20:15.34 | Ressy | The original was in excel for the DCM475/476 |
| 20:15.41 | pompy | are you sure it was your modem Arrow|phone?! .. i kept getting dc;d for over a month now and the tech came last week and he cut the end of each coax cable and replaced the heads on em and replaced the splitter, and i havent lost the connection since! |
| 20:15.43 | Arrow|phone | Getting unique cast ranging received abort response reinitializing and t 3 time out |
| 20:15.45 | Ressy | I modified it to work with the SB6120/6121 |
| 20:16.31 | Arrow|phone | In the logs |
| 20:17.23 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.35 | Arrow|phone | Which I think is way too high |
| 20:17.55 | pompy | yeah mine kept dcing on the "Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received – T4 timeout critical " docsis message |
| 20:18.11 | Ressy | Arrow, thats probably the problem |
| 20:18.19 | Ressy | f it is above 55, you may want to see if you can reconfigure your splitters. Anything above 57 is not good and should be fixed ASAP. (This is getting pretty close to not being able to connect.) |
| 20:18.29 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.29 | pompy | which is prolly related to your wiring |
| 20:18.32 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.36 | Ressy | until it isn't |
| 20:18.40 | Ressy | Most upport are dumbasses |
| 20:18.53 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.02 | pompy | lol |
| 20:19.06 | pompy | autocorrect ftw! |
| 20:19.29 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.45 | g0urra | that's new |
| 20:19.48 | g0urra | (to me) |
| 20:20.05 | Ressy | Arrow, then you need a truck roll, because something's not right... |
| 20:20.11 | Arrow|phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.24 | Semlar | does anyone have any idea how the interface triggers an action button to simulate being clicked when you push a key |
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| 20:21.17 | Neffi | I'm quite sure it's possible to tile a texture. How does one achieve that? |
| 20:21.34 | Arrow|phone | I'm going to call support now while it's still out |
| 20:22.41 | Elkano | neffi, meaning having it repeat itself? |
| 20:22.45 | Semlar | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 20:22.58 | Neffi | Semlar: A texture, not a backdrop |
| 20:23.01 | Neffi | That's just hackish |
| 20:23.04 | Semlar | a backdrop is a texture |
| 20:23.06 | Neffi | Elkano: Yes |
| 20:23.10 | pompy | !api setbindingclick |
| 20:23.11 | lua_bot | SetBindingClick: Binds a key combination to "click" a Button object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBindingClick) |
| 20:23.14 | Neffi | But I'm manipulating a texture, not a frame |
| 20:23.30 | Elkano | look at the code for the resizable frames |
| 20:23.40 | pompy | ~wowwiki |
| 20:23.41 | purl | #REDIRECT [[wowpedia]] |
| 20:23.45 | pompy | Semlar: ^! |
| 20:23.54 | Semlar | i just picked the first result |
| 20:24.01 | Semlar | it's the same code |
| 20:24.18 | pompy | ~wowpedia API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 20:24.18 | purl | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 20:24.19 | Neffi | XML has a property for tilinga normal texture. Perhaps something to SetTexCoord |
| 20:24.35 | Neffi | Elkano: Those are defined in XML though. Using Lua. |
| 20:24.37 | Semlar | settexture has the option to tile |
| 20:24.46 | Semlar | i have no idea how you define its edges |
| 20:25.10 | Semlar | i'm guessing it just uses the texture size |
| 20:25.19 | Neffi | Ah, I didn't see it on the main widget api page. Thanks. |
| 20:25.57 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure it's possible to define the size via TexCoords, but I don't need to do that |
| 20:25.58 | Neffi | Thank you |
| 20:27.41 | Mihau | Anyone happen to have all the new class and race icons from MoP? My work computer is dumb and will not install the beta. D: |
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| 20:30.48 | Semlar | i really need internet that doesn't go out every time it rains |
| 20:31.04 | mckenziemc1 | get dialup |
| 20:31.10 | bluspacecow | try wowpedia or wowheadnews.com |
| 20:32.27 | Neffi | Well, the tile argument to :SetTexture() does nothing on its own. So I'm back to square 1. |
| 20:32.40 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: im connected now and on the line with support but ive got an upstream power level of 54 dBmV, hopefully that triggers some redflags for them |
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| 20:34.49 | Mihau | bluspacecow: Will do, thanks. |
| 20:37.05 | Elkano | neffi, is there a :SetHorizTile()? |
| 20:37.34 | Ressy | Its still a lil high |
| 20:37.41 | Ressy | Tell them right before you were knocked offline, it was 58 |
| 20:38.22 | Ressy | You may need to ask to be escalated. |
| 20:39.02 | Elkano | ok, seems like there are :SetHorizTile() and :SetVertTile() |
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| 20:39.33 | Elkano | see: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture |
| 20:40.26 | Semlar | i don't see any way to set the size of the texture and then define the tile size |
| 20:40.48 | Semlar | outside of setbackdrop |
| 20:41.29 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: off the phone with them now, couldnt find any problems and said anything between 30-58dBmV is normal, said to call back if i have any more issues and it will be esclated |
| 20:41.37 | Semlar | you can tell the texture to tile.. but not any sort of dimensions |
| 20:42.45 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: my modems logs on both the old and new have clearly showned "Unicast Ranging Received Abort Response - initializing" and "No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out" are logged every time i get disconnected |
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| 20:43.23 | Arrowmaster | if i call back ill try to get esclated to at least a tier3 tech and see if they know anything about the log messages because the other techs havent |
| 20:43.48 | pompy | Arrowmaster: more than likely your connection from pole to the side of the house!! |
| 20:44.26 | Arrowmaster | you know what it could actually be that, the line runs through a tree and the squirrels have been going nuts in that tree this summer |
| 20:44.49 | pompy | yeah and the copper coording , fading away from electrical storms and being wet |
| 20:44.51 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt be supprised if the little fuckers ate through my line |
| 20:45.14 | pompy | like i said, he replaced all the heads on the coax cables last week and its been 100% uptime since! |
| 20:45.23 | Ressy | t3 notices are normal tho |
| 20:45.38 | Ressy | I get them all the time, and my sb6120 has had a 45+ day uptime |
| 20:45.58 | pompy | but they arent disconnecting u right? |
| 20:46.00 | pompy | in his case they are! |
| 20:46.20 | Ressy | His disconnections are beign caused by signal levels being out of whack |
| 20:46.30 | pompy | (8/21/2012 4:42:42 PM) Arrowmaster: Ressy: my modems logs on both the old and new have clearly showned "Unicast Ranging Received Abort Response - initializing" and "No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out" are logged every time i get disconnected |
| 20:46.53 | Ressy | "No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out" is normal - you'll get it even if you don't disconnect |
| 20:47.10 | Semlar | okay, i've tried hooking ActionButton1 OnClick, OnMousedown, OnKeyDown, none of them fire when you press a key |
| 20:47.43 | Semlar | i can't figure out how the interface makes the button look like it's being clicked when you press a key |
| 20:48.15 | Semlar | i think it might be handling it in C |
| 20:48.22 | Ressy | Arrowmaster, who are you with again? |
| 20:48.49 | nevcairiel | Semlar: ActionButton_UpdateState probably |
| 20:49.10 | nevcairiel | although i think i read somewhere that they moved this into C with MoP |
| 20:49.14 | mckenziemc | Semlar: possible clue: if you have two buttons with the same ability and click one, both ligth up the same way |
| 20:49.40 | Semlar | ActionButton_UpdateState does actually fire |
| 20:49.50 | Semlar | but i think it doesn't if you're using bartender |
| 20:50.00 | Semlar | i'll have to check |
| 20:50.07 | nevcairiel | of course not, because bartender uses its own code and own buttons |
| 20:50.23 | Neffi | Wiki says texture needs to be set to something else, then set to the new texture before tiling can be enabled. But that's not working. Has tiling been disabled? |
| 20:50.49 | Semlar | i'm trying to hook any button getting pressed |
| 20:50.57 | nevcairiel | you can't |
| 20:51.12 | Semlar | it can't be done? |
| 20:51.38 | Neffi | local f=EnumerateFrames(); while f do --[[check if f is button and hook]]; f=EnumerateFrames(f); end |
| 20:51.47 | nevcairiel | well i suppose clicking the buttons can be caught with some magic and whatnot, but when keybindings come into play, it'll be harder :p |
| 20:51.55 | Neffi | hook CreateFrame to re-enumerate from the last frame done |
| 20:52.15 | Semlar | neffi i actually did try looping through and hooking each button manually but they don't even fire any events |
| 20:52.20 | Neffi | Make sure to use hooksecurefunc so it's a post-hook |
| 20:52.38 | Neffi | hooksecurefunc(button, 'Click', func() end) |
| 20:52.48 | Neffi | or btn:HookScript('OnClick',function() end) |
| 20:52.57 | Neffi | or PostClick or PreClick instead of click |
| 20:53.01 | Semlar | onclick does actually work if you push it with the mouse |
| 20:53.04 | Neffi | there's a lot of possibilities |
| 20:53.09 | Semlar | but not on a key press |
| 20:53.27 | Neffi | that would be keyboard event |
| 20:53.29 | Neffi | maybe OnChar |
| 20:53.36 | Semlar | i was just trying to figure out if there was a way to hook the highlight texture being shown or something |
| 20:53.36 | Neffi | there's other On- keyboard events |
| 20:53.50 | Semlar | it doesn't appear to be any of the onkey events on the button itself |
| 20:53.53 | Semlar | i think it's handled higher up |
| 20:54.19 | Neffi | any layeredregion with the layer 'HIGHLIGHT' automatically shows when moused over. that's done c-side. you'd have to hook OnEnter and OnLeave |
| 20:54.28 | Neffi | or change the draw layer of the texture, then hide it |
| 20:54.39 | Neffi | :SetDrawLayer('OVERLAY') :Hide, if you want it totally gone |
| 20:56.14 | Neffi | Note, Lua-side may still do manual hides, so it might take some extra hooks depending on what you're doing |
| 20:56.16 | Semlar | i was able to do it for every blizzard button using hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(ActionButton1).__index, 'SetButtonState') but only because they actually call SetButtonState in the framexml for some reason |
| 20:56.21 | Neffi | manual shows* |
| 20:56.43 | Neffi | That works, but it's ugly |
| 20:56.55 | Neffi | I'd find another way to do it. I don't believe the metatable should ever be touched. |
| 20:56.57 | Semlar | and it doesn't work for any addons that make their own buttons |
| 20:57.13 | Neffi | What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:57.33 | Semlar | well this is mostly just educational |
| 20:57.56 | Neffi | Some script will always fire |
| 20:58.07 | Neffi | be it OnClick, OnChar, or some On* for keyboards |
| 20:58.18 | Neffi | you could just hook everything, then unhook what you dont want |
| 20:58.20 | nevcairiel | not on the button though |
| 20:58.29 | Semlar | yeah it's on the interface or something |
| 20:58.34 | Semlar | i can't figure out what intercepts the keybinds |
| 20:58.43 | nevcairiel | just because a key-click performs the same action as clicking the button does not mean the button is actually involved :) |
| 20:59.17 | nevcairiel | the default action button keybinds are directly bound onto a Lua function that performs the action |
| 20:59.29 | Semlar | well the button plays its little animation so it must be getting identified somewhere along the line |
| 20:59.35 | Semlar | even if its click is just for show |
| 21:00.41 | Semlar | i think it must be behind the scenes though |
| 21:01.04 | Neffi | hook the functions that call spells, call macros, etc? |
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| 21:01.12 | Neffi | They're protected, but there |
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| 21:01.45 | Semlar | well i did identify the function that actually calls the action on keypress but it isn't tied to any buttons |
| 21:02.16 | Semlar | so i can figure out what is being cast or whatever but if i want to play an animation on the button at the same time i can't do that |
| 21:03.46 | Neffi | Can't find the origin of the button? |
| 21:03.56 | Neffi | origin of the cast* |
| 21:04.00 | Semlar | i don't even care about the keypress i just want to hook the button action being pushed |
| 21:04.22 | Semlar | the mechanism of the button playing its down animation |
| 21:04.27 | Neffi | You could always cache which buttons contain what, then play the anim on any button that contains the spell that was cast |
| 21:04.53 | Neffi | That's handled C-side I believe. Pushed texture, normal texture, etc. |
| 21:05.09 | Semlar | i did actually do that, i made a table cross-referencing the action buttons and slots |
| 21:05.54 | Semlar | then hooked UseAction to get the action being called, looped through the table of action buttons and compared their slots |
| 21:06.45 | Semlar | i guess for every other button i could hook the onclick event because it won't be called by a keypress |
| 21:07.09 | Semlar | this seems ridiculous |
| 21:08.19 | Semlar | i was really hoping i could just be like ActionButton1:GetPushedTexture():HookScript('OnShow') or something |
| 21:09.02 | foxlit | what do you actually want to do? |
| 21:09.16 | Semlar | play an animation on a button when it's pushed |
| 21:10.37 | foxlit | a button? pushed? |
| 21:10.44 | Torhal | OnClick |
| 21:10.47 | Neffi | lol. solved texture tiling, but it's broken. only option is to use a backdrop. |
| 21:10.48 | Semlar | any button in the interface |
| 21:10.52 | Neffi | nice that we have functions that just dont work |
| 21:11.56 | Semlar | your choices are basically use setbackdrop or make multiple textures as far as i can tell |
| 21:12.24 | Neffi | Yeah. Maybe I'll tweak nfWidget to do that on the fly |
| 21:12.51 | Neffi | Problem is, these are user-defined widgets where tiling is supposed to be as simple as `tile = true`. |
| 21:12.52 | Semlar | setbackdrop is probably vastly more efficient than creating more than one texture though |
| 21:13.17 | Semlar | it does seem odd that settexture has an argument for tiling but you can't really use it |
| 21:13.21 | Neffi | Vastly? Dispatching calls to C is actually very fast. |
| 21:13.47 | Neffi | Not to mention you can cache frame functions from the metatable like people cache them from _G. I already do this successfully in nfNameplates |
| 21:14.07 | Neffi | The argument doesn't actually exist anymore. It's SetHorizTile and SetVertTile |
| 21:14.17 | Neffi | It works for a single tile, but the rest of the texture gets an undefined skew |
| 21:14.22 | Neffi | So it's totally broken |
| 21:14.53 | Semlar | how do you actually define the size of a tile |
| 21:14.58 | Neffi | It's not just me, because this broken behavior is documented |
| 21:15.02 | Neffi | In Lua, you dont |
| 21:15.11 | Neffi | You pass a boolean to tell it to tile. It uses the texture siz.e |
| 21:15.14 | Semlar | oh so it's just the texture size |
| 21:15.31 | Semlar | that's unfortunate |
| 21:15.34 | Neffi | I suspect that's why it's broken. Different mechanism than XML tiling, because that asks for the size. |
| 21:15.50 | Neffi | Probably implemented the API incorrectly against the backend. |
| 21:17.57 | Neffi | Ah! Found a WoWI forum post. :SetTexture still takes the argument, but you must tell SetTexCoord what to do from there. |
| 21:18.02 | Neffi | eg set a value above 1 or below 0 |
| 21:18.20 | Neffi | So it's just the new API that's borked. :SetHorizTile, etc. |
| 21:19.36 | Semlar | so you can settexcoord past 1 and it'll start repeating? |
| 21:24.48 | Neffi | yes |
| 21:25.31 | Neffi | SetTexCoord sets a region. Anything outside of 0,1,0,1 will push the region beyond the texture. If tiling is set to true, it will tile past that. |
| 21:25.44 | Stanzilla | holy fucking shit https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22349357/manticore.png |
| 21:25.52 | Neffi | If not, it either stretches it, sets it to transparent, or sets it white/black. Never tried that. |
| 21:26.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/e3w7g.jpg |
| 21:27.11 | Semlar | oh god, i found some of my old screenshots |
| 21:27.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/xuZoU.jpg |
| 21:27.52 | Semlar | i'm bad at that game |
| 21:30.05 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/NqxFd.jpg this is as far into inferno as i got |
| 21:30.20 | Semlar | i just quit after that |
| 21:31.55 | Neffi | There used to be pretty popular SharedMedia packs with a bunch of statusbars. I can't remember who made them or where to get them. Anyone know? |
| 21:32.12 | Neffi | Also, what was that UI that had pinstripe backgrounds on the chat frame? |
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| 21:34.06 | Semlar | i have no idea, it looks like there are a ton of sharedmedia packs |
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| 21:37.08 | mitchnull | gah... beta servers down just when I'm about to test a fix for the latest patch breakage :( |
| 21:37.16 | Neffi | Hal's. Doesn't quite fit though. |
| 21:37.17 | Semlar | maybe these http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8689-GrizzlySharedMedia.html http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15613-FerousMediaPack.html |
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| 21:42.27 | Vladinator | Semlar: http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/767 |
| 21:43.45 | Semlar | DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE |
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| 21:46.55 | Semlar | yes, and i'd prefer it stay over there |
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| 21:49.32 | Kraps | WHAT A MONSTROUS CREATURE |
| 21:50.28 | g0urra | CAN WE FIND MORE LIKE THAT? |
| 21:50.49 | Semlar | GLORIOUS |
| 21:51.28 | Semlar | no, we can't find more like that do you not remember what happened last time |
| 21:51.50 | g0urra | more like not wanting to find more |
| 21:53.05 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/1PdlF.jpg i think i was playing my demon hunter wrong |
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| 21:55.28 | Adys | http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html i remember watching this |
| 21:55.34 | Adys | we've come a long way in 6 years... |
| 21:58.46 | Semlar | ooo, ahhh |
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| 22:09.45 | Kaylin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_Moruga_Scorpion |
| 22:10.48 | Amarande | heh, here's a strange piece of hardware |
| 22:10.58 | Amarande | "Seagate Barracuda Green ST1500DL003 1.5TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s Hard Drive -Bare Drive" |
| 22:11.02 | Amarande | 5900 RPM? |
| 22:11.11 | Amarande | I think that's the first I've ever seen a drive with that |
| 22:12.44 | sidji | "gr |
| 22:12.48 | sidji | "green" |
| 22:13.11 | durcyn | most greens are 5400 though aren't they |
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| 22:16.27 | Arrowmaster | it used to be 7200 and 5400, but 5900 was introducted a few years ago on 'green' drives |
| 22:17.51 | End_ | the more complicated my addons, the shorter the names they have |
| 22:17.52 | Amarande | also, is pondering the idea of RAID 10 overkill for a personal machine? :) |
| 22:19.06 | Neffi | Yeah because RAID5 or RAID6 makes more sense |
| 22:19.14 | Neffi | RAID10 is just a waste of disks |
| 22:19.17 | wereHamster | Amarande: I'd go for RAID 100. It must be 10 times better than RAID 10!! |
| 22:23.43 | Amarande | Neffi: actually RAID10 needs only one more disk vs. RAID5 |
| 22:23.53 | Amarande | you need at least three for 5, and at least four for 10 |
| 22:24.26 | Neffi | But with 4 1 TB disks in RAID5, you get 3 TB of storage. With RAID10, you get 2 TB. |
| 22:24.28 | durcyn | RAID10 is for databases that need fast spindles, it has its place, just as RAID5 |
| 22:24.44 | Neffi | RAID5 size is smallest_disk * (total_disks - 1) |
| 22:24.55 | Neffi | RAID10 is smallest_disk * (total_disks/2) |
| 22:25.06 | Neffi | Much more efficient space-wise |
| 22:25.18 | durcyn | if you're optimizing for space, yes |
| 22:25.45 | Neffi | I see its use in databases. I can't imagine using it on a desktop, |
| 22:26.01 | Neffi | Your extra performance would be wasted. And so much space would be unusable. |
| 22:26.16 | durcyn | i use 1+0 on gaming rigs frequently |
| 22:26.27 | Neffi | Why are you not just using an SSD? |
| 22:26.36 | Neffi | Fast access times, plus faster reads and writes everywhere |
| 22:26.40 | durcyn | because SSDs didn't exist when I built the ones I'm referring to? |
| 22:26.46 | Neffi | I see |
| 22:27.01 | durcyn | anyway, don't dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't meet your need |
| 22:27.05 | Neffi | Well now the whole idea of HDD RAIDs for performance on gaming desktops is totally defunct |
| 22:27.23 | Neffi | SSDs beat them in every situation. |
| 22:28.31 | Neffi | How do I change line spacing on chat frames? |
| 22:28.32 | wereHamster | untrue. HDDs beat SSD because they are heavier. |
| 22:29.03 | Neffi | SetSpacing only changes the spacing in between strings, not the inter-string spacing. Eg anything that wraps is not spaced higher by it. |
| 22:29.05 | xyphoid | so wait, they're better for beating your opponent to death with? |
| 22:29.30 | wereHamster | yes! |
| 22:29.39 | Amarande | durcyn: "databases that need fast spindles" |
| 22:29.55 | Amarande | you mean like, say, WoW's MPQ files when you're in a crowded zone :) |
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| 22:32.33 | Neffi | Somebody recommend me a good variable-width pixel font that renders well small, for my chat frame |
| 22:32.45 | Neffi | Conventional programming fonts are all fixed-width =( |
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| 22:34.29 | wereHamster | Neffi: Comic Sans |
| 22:34.38 | Neffi | trollface |
| 22:38.24 | sidji | i suggest a 3x5 pixel font |
| 22:43.03 | Unkle | pixel fonts are the work of satan. |
| 22:45.26 | Neffi | Proggy is pretty awesome |
| 22:45.56 | sidji | braille is 2x3 |
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| 23:38.01 | Ama|raid | guh, what could be wrong with my UI |
| 23:38.06 | Ama|raid | apparently I seem not to be able to end iceblocks early at all |
| 23:38.22 | Ama|raid | going to see if it starts working again after a reload |
| 23:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | if not, you can make a macro for now |
| 23:40.02 | Mr_Rabies | /cancelaura Ice Block |
| 23:41.25 | Semlar | hoog is a pixel font |
| 23:41.59 | Jamash | variable width pixel font what? |
| 23:42.03 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/for-one-cent-a-month-amazon-glacier-stores-your-data-for-centuries/ |
| 23:42.05 | Semlar | hoog0655 |
| 23:42.06 | Adys | this is actually pretty awesome |
| 23:42.19 | Semlar | i have the ttf |
| 23:42.50 | durcyn | speaking of fonts: https://www.fontfont.com/how-to-use-ff-chartwell |
| 23:44.37 | Jamash | 1 cent per gb per month huh |
| 23:45.00 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/hoog0655.ttf |
| 23:45.01 | Jamash | that sounds cheap but that's $10/TB/mo |
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| 23:51.01 | Jamash | or $120/TB/year |
| 23:51.58 | Jamash | if I can get a seagate 2TB drive for $105...? |
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