| 00:00.07 | Adys | especially on checkboxes |
| 00:00.31 | Adys | Checkbox label: [x] vs [x] Checkbox label |
| 00:00.37 | Adys | OH NO THATS NOT A COMMON USE CASE AT ALL! |
| 00:01.47 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: tell foxlit kd3 or pcj |
| 00:03.16 | Adys | ok, css brainfart, i cant seem to do this with :not(). How do I select every <label> that is NOT inside a <li>? |
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| 00:09.37 | foxlit | Adys: CSS doesn't let you do that. |
| 00:09.56 | foxlit | Specifically, you can't query up the DOM hierarchy. |
| 00:10.03 | Adys | foxlit: i thought :not(li) label would do the trick |
| 00:10.43 | foxlit | you could try styling every label, and then styling li > label differently. |
| 00:10.49 | Adys | or :not(li label) label |
| 00:10.52 | foxlit | but that obviously doesn't scale |
| 00:11.07 | Adys | foxlit: yeah, i did, itll be enough but i wanted to see how to do it "properly" |
| 00:11.29 | Stanzilla | that is the best way imo |
| 00:12.19 | foxlit | "Adys: or :not(li label) label" << does that work? |
| 00:12.31 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 00:13.36 | foxlit | that makes sense; :not() operates on a single element |
| 00:14.27 | foxlit | but yeah, you can't solve it "properly" using pure CSS. The cannonical solution would be to class your labels, but you need to change HTML for that. |
| 00:14.44 | foxlit | Or you could make jquery do it. |
| 00:15.54 | Adys | foxlit: label { font-weight: bold; li & { font-weight: normal } } |
| 00:16.47 | foxlit | is that some strange new syntax, or just shorthand? |
| 00:16.57 | Adys | scss |
| 00:17.12 | Adys | shorthand for label { font-weight: bold} li label { font-weight: normal } |
| 00:20.58 | Stanzilla | such shorthands would only confuse me |
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| 00:26.20 | Amarande | ... good gods. |
| 00:26.25 | Amarande | this is the second time my mithril ore came back |
| 00:26.36 | Amarande | usually this sort of stuff sells like hotcakes |
| 00:32.33 | Amarande | also. bug or WAI: sometimes when I'm casting blizzard enemies are able to cause pushback by hitting me, even though I've got my Ice Barrier active |
| 00:32.55 | Amarande | only *some* enemies appear to be able to do this, and I haven't really figured out a good correlation between them to figure out why only these types can :S |
| 00:34.32 | Stanzilla | interesting theory you have there |
| 00:34.40 | Amarande | Stan: yeah, it's odd. |
| 00:34.48 | Amarande | most of the time when I have ice barrier up, it prevents pushback as advertised |
| 00:35.19 | Amarande | but a few types of enemy - and we're talking generic regular questing mobs generally, not even elites - seem to be able to penetrate it and cause pushback per hit, even though they *too* aren't actually able to deal damage while the shield holds |
| 00:35.40 | Amarande | (I'm not talking hard interrupts either, but the standard casting time effects of being hit by a regular attack) |
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| 00:36.57 | Stanzilla | you should investigate more |
| 00:38.20 | foxlit | I wonder what curse has done to their network hamsters. |
| 00:39.25 | Stanzilla | Kaelten ate them |
| 00:42.03 | foxlit | as hilarious as having mmo-champion drop connections without waiting for an HTTP request is, he should probably spit them back out. |
| 00:43.27 | Adys | ~ping |
| 00:43.27 | purl | ~pong |
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| 01:06.44 | Adys | https://github.com/PixarAnimationStudios/OpenSubdiv |
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| 01:21.47 | kd3|netbook | heh. it's weird putting on a southern accent on demand considering I generally try to make sure I'm not speaking with one |
| 01:38.14 | Adys | css pros: I have an image with a div overlayed on top of it. its overlayed with position: relative; top: -(div height)px; |
| 01:38.26 | Adys | how do I reclaim the space left behind by the original position of the div? |
| 01:39.10 | Adys | foxlit: this one's for you. |
| 01:39.42 | Stanzilla | float |
| 01:39.51 | Stanzilla | and/or clear |
| 01:40.10 | foxlit | Negative bottom margin, I would imagine. |
| 01:40.30 | Stanzilla | oh didnt read your first sentence |
| 01:40.31 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 01:40.49 | Adys | foxlit: wouldnt i have to do that for every hmm wait |
| 01:40.53 | Adys | yeah good point |
| 01:42.04 | Adys | foxlit: i would give the actual overlay negative bottom margin, that works too, but its background ends up *under* the image :/ |
| 01:44.44 | foxlit | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 01:45.09 | Stanzilla | show page! |
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| 02:14.09 | kd3|netbook | yay at abusing the hotel internet to get stuff downloaded |
| 02:21.24 | ccox | boo at sub-DSL speeds on hotel internet? |
| 02:22.01 | kd3|netbook | 250K/s over xdcc, I'll run a speedtest when it's done |
| 02:27.40 | kd3|netbook | http://www.dslreports.com/im/102325176/2691.png |
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| 05:51.16 | bluspacecow | *crickets* |
| 05:51.23 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.04 | Thunder_Child | ~cricket bluworkcow |
| 05:53.11 | Thunder_Child | p:( |
| 05:53.16 | Thunder_Child | :(* |
| 05:56.27 | bluworkcow | oh hai |
| 05:57.54 | Thunder_Child | ~cricket |
| 05:57.55 | purl | System for monitoring trends in time-series data. URL: http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ |
| 05:57.59 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 05:58.01 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 05:58.47 | bluworkcow | *giggle* |
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| 07:52.10 | bluworkcow | "So your fist issue is intended, we limit the resolution to the desktop resolution since we didn't think supersampling would be useful" |
| 07:52.12 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 07:52.20 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6247965211#2 |
| 08:05.21 | nevcairiel | why would you try to run your game at any resolution higher then what your screen does? o.o |
| 08:06.22 | nevcairiel | i really blame apple for making it so weird |
| 08:15.05 | wereHamster | "Launching Blizzard Launcher... |
| 08:15.53 | wereHamster | maybe there is even a pre-launcher-launcher somewhere. Because who else could create that window? |
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| 08:34.18 | bluworkcow | we herd you liek Launching... |
| 08:34.33 | bluworkcow | so we put a Fisker in your Launcher so you can Launch while you Launch |
| 08:35.19 | bluworkcow | its a funny system really. The launcher in your D3/Wow beta folder launches Agent from your battle.net folder. Which then opens the Launcher in the Battle.net folder |
| 08:36.26 | bluworkcow | there's your pre-launcher there. The one in your D3/Wow beta folder called "Launcher" . It's really only there to launch Agent and to check if there are new versions of teh Agent tools and Download them if so |
| 08:37.21 | bluworkcow | Cairenn: http://twitter.com/kkitteh/status/231933978771349505/photo/1 |
| 08:37.27 | bluworkcow | :P |
| 08:37.29 | Cairenn | awww |
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| 10:59.07 | Maldivia | LOL at the Cockneys vs Zombies trailer :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3p-giK1MU |
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| 11:58.28 | mikma | so there was this software that allowed you and your friend to form a "lan" over the internet.. anyone recalls the name of the program? |
| 12:03.51 | karl_w_w | hamachi |
| 12:04.00 | mikma | yeah that's it, thanks |
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| 12:25.33 | Fisker | are you mad Stanzilla ? |
| 12:27.39 | bluspacecow | yeah i mad fiskery fisker |
| 12:27.44 | bluspacecow | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/08/griffin-beacon-universal-remote-control-system-hands-on/ |
| 12:27.47 | bluspacecow | $130 in nz |
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| 14:20.31 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 14:20.38 | Fisker | so mad |
| 14:21.32 | Kaylin | mmm haterade |
| 14:21.35 | cbreak | remote wipe. ha... |
| 14:21.37 | cbreak | stupid idea |
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| 15:16.20 | Humbedooh | rtharper, s/'s floor event finals!// |
| 15:16.29 | rtharper | lol |
| 15:16.36 | Humbedooh | but alas no |
| 15:17.23 | Humbedooh | such poor coverage of gymnastics here :\ |
| 15:17.35 | rtharper | ah |
| 15:17.42 | rtharper | the BBC lets you watch whatever you want whenever it's on |
| 15:18.00 | Humbedooh | I got to see the pummel horse final though, yay |
| 15:18.00 | rtharper | VPN and watch at bbc.co.uk =p |
| 15:18.11 | rtharper | pommel horse bores the fuck out of me =p |
| 15:19.00 | Humbedooh | 'sif I'm looking at the pommel horse |
| 15:19.03 | Humbedooh | :p |
| 15:19.24 | Humbedooh | two british medals! |
| 15:19.42 | Humbedooh | or gbr or whatever you've decided on calling yourself this time |
| 15:24.39 | Humbedooh | rtharper, maybe you're the only gay on twitter ;o |
| 15:24.43 | Humbedooh | or in the village |
| 15:24.52 | rtharper | haha |
| 15:24.57 | rtharper | is not British ;) |
| 15:25.06 | Amarande | I would probably care about the Olympics more if there were actually sports I really liked in the Summer Games :( |
| 15:25.12 | Humbedooh | 'mercan then |
| 15:25.19 | Amarande | however, it turns out that all the Olympic sports I actually like enough to take the time to watch them are in the Winter Games |
| 15:25.26 | Humbedooh | Amarande, beach curling! |
| 15:25.31 | rtharper | Heh well |
| 15:25.39 | Amarande | Which is just fine with me, as it means I get to be spared NBC's atrocious handling of the 2012 Games |
| 15:25.41 | rtharper | I like the winter olympics more, I would say |
| 15:25.50 | rtharper | I watch relatively few sports in the summer Olympics |
| 15:26.01 | Amarande | I don't know what went wrong this year, I didn't see anywhere near so much vitriol leveled at the broadcast in past years |
| 15:26.15 | Amarande | wonder if they lost some managers that were with them till 2010 and had to hire off the incoming failboat |
| 15:26.16 | rtharper | Amarande: nor I, I have heard it is particularly bad |
| 15:26.20 | rtharper | the BBC did an awesome job, though |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | hey rtharper |
| 15:26.38 | rtharper | hihi Fisker |
| 15:26.40 | Humbedooh | oh no, we wokes him |
| 15:27.09 | rtharper | Humbedooh: It bothers me that all gays seem to care about is sexualising the athletes. Some of us actually like sports, too =p |
| 15:27.29 | Humbedooh | rtharper, I did watch the actual performance :p just messing with you :) |
| 15:27.38 | rtharper | Humbedooh: no I know, that wa sjust the reason for that tweet, theh |
| 15:27.45 | rtharper | Humbedooh: haveyou been following handball? |
| 15:27.48 | rtharper | I'm starting to watch it |
| 15:28.09 | rtharper | gotta go |
| 15:28.10 | rtharper | latahs |
| 15:28.25 | Humbedooh | handball was invented at my old high school ;O |
| 15:31.25 | Humbedooh | so there's an annual Holger Nielsen Day with calisthenics and whatnot |
| 15:31.31 | Humbedooh | fwiw |
| 15:54.38 | karl_w_w | <Humbedooh> fwiw <- handball? not a lot :P |
| 15:55.41 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 15:56.12 | Humbedooh | signs karl_w_w up for the womens' gymnastics |
| 15:57.09 | Thunder_Child | The horizontal kind? |
| 15:58.27 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt mind doing some gymnastics with women |
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| 16:08.14 | karl_w_w | anyone know when the tennis mixed doubles final is? |
| 16:08.30 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:08.38 | Humbedooh | after Fisker's nap |
| 16:08.41 | Fisker | 5 minutes before 5 minutes after the tennis mixed doubles final starts |
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| 17:17.42 | Silvanas | tobad that lua lets you see the memory adress of a variable whit print() but it does not let construct a variable from a memeory adress |
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| 17:21.02 | Silvanas | does anyone know what the pattern "%c" matches? i know it matches controll charecters but witch ones? is that like \r\n or others |
| 17:21.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah anything from \000 to \031 i think and \128 |
| 17:21.56 | Arrowmaster | or is it \127 |
| 17:22.09 | Arrowmaster | i think its \127 |
| 17:23.09 | foxlit | defined by iscntrl. |
| 17:23.22 | Silvanas | 127 is delete on ascii table |
| 17:23.45 | foxlit | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cctype/iscntrl/ |
| 17:24.29 | Arrowmaster | then 127 is a control char |
| 17:24.58 | Silvanas | ah nice, thanks that explains it a bit more |
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| 17:25.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard |
| 17:27.25 | bluspacecow | "Because I’m a jerk who doesn’t back up data, I’ve lost at more than a year’s worth of photos, emails, documents, and more. And, really, who knows what else" |
| 17:27.26 | bluspacecow | wot. |
| 17:28.41 | Silvanas | backing up data is so 2006, everyone uses a virtual drive on the internet these days. |
| 17:28.55 | Dagmar | I'm glad that happened. |
| 17:28.59 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.02 | bluspacecow | on stone tablet |
| 17:29.05 | Dagmar | It's bad for him, but it illustrates WHY I don't allow remote-wipe on my devices |
| 17:29.05 | Silvanas | that be cool btw, booting your os of a drive on the internet |
| 17:29.18 | Dagmar | I personally think Apple saying that data can't be gotten back is nonsense |
| 17:29.35 | Amarande | Arrow: except I'm pretty sure \ needs octal |
| 17:29.36 | Dagmar | What fucking maniac would make a remote-wipe incur a similar wipe of the remote backups? |
| 17:29.39 | Amarande | so \127 would be wrong :) |
| 17:29.43 | Gnarfoz | Silvanas: everyone, except people in countries where only shitty upload is offered |
| 17:30.29 | bluspacecow | @Dagmar apparently a silly person. Or Apple. Take your pick :P |
| 17:30.45 | Dagmar | I think someone at Apple who probably knows better will jump on this with both feet on Monday |
| 17:30.47 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: don't forget countries where bandwidth caps are the norm as well |
| 17:30.58 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: arent those two the same |
| 17:31.00 | Amarande | in the USA, for instance, bandwidth caps are usually such that you can't even watch one HD movie on netflix a day without going over |
| 17:31.01 | cbreak | my bandwidth is capped at 7mbit up :( |
| 17:31.05 | Amarande | and not just a little over, way over |
| 17:31.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, if you're trying to watch on your cell phone, yeah |
| 17:31.20 | nevcairiel | i have 10mbit up, its ok for the occasional data backup |
| 17:31.27 | bluspacecow | IMHO a remote brick would be more useful |
| 17:31.36 | Dagmar | Netflix is taking some chunks out of my cablemodem cap, but it's pretty large _for now_ |
| 17:31.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: Even with wired connections. |
| 17:31.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: lulz :F |
| 17:31.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nah, more like about 1.5Gb a movie so far |
| 17:31.57 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: wut |
| 17:32.01 | Dagmar | THat would be 1080 streaming |
| 17:32.10 | Dagmar | ....and I find those numbers a little suspect actuall |
| 17:32.12 | Gnarfoz | vdsl50? you're the 1% |
| 17:32.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: ujelly? |
| 17:32.19 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: \127 in lua is decimal not octal |
| 17:32.22 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 17:32.23 | Dagmar | Not really sure that's as HD as they're claiming |
| 17:32.45 | Amarande | ah, in lua. *shakes head at lua designers for not using standard indicators for number bases* |
| 17:32.47 | cbreak | anyway: cloud sucks. |
| 17:34.11 | Dagmar | Winds... BLOW |
| 17:34.30 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:35.45 | Amarande | heh, when I look at bandwidth and ISP stories, I actually start to wonder if one conspiracy theory will become a reality, but not because of conspiracy |
| 17:35.52 | Amarande | (if anything, it would take a conspiracy for it NOT to happen.) |
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| 17:37.13 | Amarande | namely, the claims that people will be pushed out of non-urban residence and all have to live in cities |
| 17:37.37 | Amarande | the conspiracy theory goes that the government will do this forcibly in order to give the land to agricultural resource use, but in reality, it seems more like it'd take a government conspiracy to get people to NOT abandon ruralities for cities |
| 17:38.27 | Amarande | as we become more reliant on digital communications, things like the comparisons between Charter and Comcast suggest that it's going to become less and less viable to live in a rural area, simply because it's comparatively unviable for communications companies to roll out service to such areas |
| 17:40.47 | Amarande | Used to be Charter was the better cable provider and Comcast was universally reviled, then Comcast managed to clean up their act while Charter is stuck with hard limits (without even the option to purchase overages unless you go to the uncapped business plan) and poorer service now after, apparently suffering a bankruptcy a few years ago. |
| 17:41.35 | Amarande | It's also notable that Comcast got the lucrative urban area deals in most cases, while Charter tended to (probably because of the predilections of its management, as it was apparently first rolled out to such areas because that's where its founders lived and they wanted decent broadband) get rural areas with low potential customer density and high costs to get the wires out there |
| 17:42.00 | Amarande | It practically sounds like that cities must be the future, then, as it simply costs too much to keep rural areas in the 21st century in the long run |
| 17:42.34 | Amarande | No conspiracy, simply natural market forces |
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| 17:44.29 | Dagmar | s/market forces/bad people acting in theor own self-interest independently/ |
| 17:45.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: the fact that rural areas are costly to rollout proper communications service to is essentially a permanent weakness of such areas |
| 17:45.41 | Amarande | when people aren't as densely packed, you have to roll out more wire (which costs more) to get there and have fewer potential customers to sell it to |
| 17:46.11 | Amarande | which means you can never get the cost advantage over the urban area provider, but customers are going to compare you to the urban area provider anyway |
| 17:46.48 | Amarande | especially if it's an area that's close enough to get decent DSL, in which case the DSL provider's prices compete with the urban provider's too and tend to be the same regardless of address, so they push yours down. |
| 17:47.12 | Amarande | (in fact, probably even more down, because areas that are towards the edge of decent DSL service capability will only be able to get the lower speed plans, which also happen to be cheaper, and that's how customers will compare prices) |
| 17:48.44 | Silvanas | a technical lua question, does anyone know if lua strings internaly store thier length? like does #str just return an number directly or does it need to loop over each charecter until it find the terminating charecter ? |
| 17:48.51 | Amarande | Somehow, I don't think it would work out too well from a sales standpoint to tell people "sorry, what, you live at the end of a cul-de-sac out in BFE? you'll have to pay $119 a month for what the guy in the nearest city pays $19 a month for" |
| 17:49.15 | Amarande | But the alternative to that is to not have good communications service in the sticks either, and that would *definitely* result in rapid urbanisation. |
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| 17:49.34 | nevcairiel | since Lua is written in C, i would be surprised if it stored the length, but anything is possible i suppose |
| 17:50.27 | Silvanas | yeh i also think it doesnt store it but since string do not directly exsist in c, who know how they have implemented it :D |
| 17:50.27 | foxlit | er, it does store the length |
| 17:50.29 | Humbedooh | they do iirc |
| 17:50.33 | foxlit | because its strings may contain \0 |
| 17:50.45 | Humbedooh | what foxlit says :) |
| 17:50.52 | Silvanas | oke great |
| 17:50.54 | Humbedooh | there's also API calls for binary strings |
| 17:51.30 | Humbedooh | lua_tolstring or something |
| 17:53.14 | Dagmar | There hasn't been a good reason to use null-terminated strings in C in about 12 years, guys |
| 17:53.37 | Dagmar | You have to be really, really stingy about RAM to not use the multiple argument variant |
| 17:53.59 | Amarande | I suppose we could eventually hope to roll out wireless Internet to everywhere, but the latency problem needs to be solved, and I'm not sure if that's physically feasible (again, without having to have lots of high-cost, low-payday stations to get the rural zones) |
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| 17:55.35 | cbreak | Dagmar: null terminated strings are the only way to have string literals. |
| 17:56.31 | Dagmar | Still shouldn't be an issue since the interpreter should be dealing with making that abstraction happen safely, or it would be irresponsible to not say so in the documentation |
| 17:57.09 | Amarande | heh. it's amusing in that blog post's comments when reply chains get overlong |
| 17:57.09 | Dagmar | You either make damn sure nothing can screw with that in-band marker, or you're just coding it wrong and cant' use literals after all |
| 17:57.19 | Amarande | and then you have the entire post stringing out one letter per line ... :P |
| 18:00.09 | cbreak | Dagmar: there's no interpreter in C |
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| 18:08.04 | Dagmar | cbreak: Talking about WRT any incurred use of that in lua |
| 18:08.32 | cbreak | lua doesn't use null terminated strings internally, just in the C API |
| 18:08.38 | Dagmar | I'm reasonably sure it would be insane for lua to inherit that problem directly just for speed considerations, and not mention it |
| 18:08.47 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 18:09.18 | cbreak | all over the place |
| 18:09.52 | cbreak | lua_getfield, getglobal, pushfstring and many more |
| 18:09.59 | cbreak | C convention :/ |
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| 18:18.03 | Arrowmaster | well thats not cool, i apparently just crashed my nexus7 by trying to use a ps3 controller on it |
| 18:23.48 | bluspacecow | it was a neeeeew day yesterday but is an old day now ... |
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| 18:25.42 | Amarande | heh Arrow |
| 18:25.54 | Amarande | Android still has a few corners to polish, many of which probably aren't really Android's fault thoug |
| 18:26.02 | Amarande | Like the fact that html5test crashes the latest Firefox Beta for Android :P |
| 18:26.29 | Amarande | say, is the nexus7 wifi based or would I have to add more cell phone contract to my life to get it? |
| 18:26.42 | Arrowmaster | wifi only |
| 18:27.00 | Arrowmaster | well wifi and bluetooth only |
| 18:27.09 | Arrowmaster | you can tether it using either |
| 18:31.16 | Amarande | ah |
| 18:31.30 | Amarande | good. :) |
| 18:31.45 | Amarande | one, don't have to add-a-line or (as so often happens with some tablets) have to sign up for a second cell provider to use them |
| 18:31.56 | karl_w_w | Amarande be useful |
| 18:32.03 | Amarande | two, can actually use it on an airplane, whereas ones that are 3G I believe are considered cell phones so you can't use them there :) |
| 18:32.07 | karl_w_w | find me a women's triple jump final stream |
| 18:32.38 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: thats what airplane mode is for, disables all the transmitters |
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| 18:38.07 | karl_w_w | ok we have triple jump |
| 18:40.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: help, bytes() are killing me :/ |
| 18:40.45 | Adys | b"".join(map(chr, range(256))) |
| 18:41.01 | karl_w_w | bytes Adys |
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| 18:59.37 | karl_w_w | he jogs half the race |
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