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| 18:16.18 | mckenziemc | purl! |
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| 18:18.00 | Kraps | hey sometimes its inappropriate y'know? |
| 18:19.45 | nilyaK | that means the situation sucks, for example, wearing pants where I work is required, but work sucks. |
| 18:20.04 | Kraps | ah that makes sense |
| 18:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | I tend to wear calf-length skirts, because pants are way too hot. |
| 18:20.54 | nilyaK | yea no kidding, it was really cold today and I was like I will wear jeans and a coat, well I can take off the coat but yea in retrospect bad idea. |
| 18:21.08 | nilyaK | now it's 11:20AM and it's no-longer cold |
| 18:21.19 | mckenziemc | Lopeppeppy: maybe it's just you |
| 18:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | No, Cairenn is not in favor of pants either. |
| 18:22.04 | Kraps | take of your jeans and tie your coat around your waist |
| 18:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | We enjoy the lack of pants. |
| 18:22.14 | mckenziemc | no peppy |
| 18:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Utilikilt for the win, omg I can't WAIT for Pennsic. |
| 18:22.23 | mckenziemc | "way too hot" |
| 18:22.25 | Mr_Rabies | i wish kilts were more acceptable in the normal world |
| 18:22.47 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i tend to laugh at the utilikilt guys at conventions, but it would be nice if they were acceptable |
| 18:23.20 | Mr_Rabies | georgia heat isn't a lot of fun, i think a nice breezy kilt would be useful in some situations |
| 18:24.14 | nilyaK | I'm imagining those situations, but I'm not sure they're the same ones you are. |
| 18:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | there's this girl that goes to all the atlanta conventions |
| 18:25.30 | Mr_Rabies | with a leaf blower |
| 18:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | and she checks to see if the kilt-wearers are keeping it honest |
| 18:25.47 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 18:26.58 | nilyaK | that's... creepy, that has to be illegal. |
| 18:27.22 | Lopeppeppy | It totally is, nilyaK. And in any eastern seaboard convention, she'd be tossed out and then banned. |
| 18:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sexual harassment is not okay. |
| 18:28.09 | nilyaK | not to mention if they're FtM or something and you just outed somebody, I mean that's really f'd up. |
| 18:32.29 | Unkle | I don't wear a kilt 'regimental' when I wear one. Must protect potential progeny. |
| 18:34.19 | Mr_Rabies | she runs this http://thedevilspanties.com/ |
| 18:34.46 | Mr_Rabies | (work safe as far as i can tell) |
| 18:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Totally familiar with that comic, Mr_Rabies, love it. :) |
| 18:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, she's the one that runs the leaf blower :p |
| 18:35.03 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, you won't win a blue ribbon, but you'll come in gold anyway. :) |
| 18:35.23 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: I always win hearts. |
| 18:35.32 | znf | Alram, my name doesn't start with b, m or t! and I didn't get voice! :( |
| 18:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | One of these days her author status isn't going to protect her from con policy. East coast cons have been getting much more no-nonsense about harassment, which I think is a *good* thing in sci fi cons overall. |
| 18:38.03 | znf | slaps Bibi |
| 18:38.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's mostly done kinda tongue-in-cheek, but i dunno |
| 18:38.08 | znf | because I can't slap you on the other side... |
| 18:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt she's actually running around posting videos of her publicly harassing people |
| 18:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | If a male fan did that to female authors' skirts, it would be considered horrible. No sense not seeing the shoe on the other foot. |
| 18:40.03 | nilyaK | it's considered horrible to me anyway as is. |
| 18:40.44 | Corrodias2 | i'd have pressed charges already |
| 18:40.59 | Corrodias2 | so i'm a curmudgeon |
| 18:40.59 | nilyaK | pretty much :X |
| 18:41.12 | nilyaK | I'm shocked if people haven't |
| 18:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | The "tee hee it's just a joke, it's a con, lighten up" atmosphere really puts a lot of pressure on people to put up with crap that they normally wouldn't. Con committees are trying to get that pressure off, so that people don't have to deal with the... inappropriate personalities that manifest in those conditions. |
| 18:43.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's this creep that goes to like, every convention and party in atlanta and creeps the place up |
| 18:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. And just tolerating one creep makes so much room for the rest of the creeps. |
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| 18:45.30 | nilyaK | well I hope they get it under control, only cons I've been to are Blizzcon and PAX and I've found them very accepting, I even got stopped by security many times because I tried to bring in a pie to PAX(they were worried it was a cream pie or something to throw or poison) |
| 18:46.11 | Mr_Rabies | dragoncon owns, though, overall |
| 18:46.23 | Mr_Rabies | the biggest problem is generally from people that aren't there for the convention |
| 18:46.36 | Mr_Rabies | that sneak into the hotel |
| 18:46.45 | Lopeppeppy | Blizcon isn't like most other cons, with the room parties and so forth. Those small-room readings and author signings and room parties are where most of the interactions occur on a personal level... and thus problems. |
| 18:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | a couple years ago there was a football game in town and a bunch of frat bros crashed dragoncon |
| 18:47.09 | Corrodias2 | why would someone want to sneak into a hotel if they're not there for a convention? |
| 18:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | totally killed the nerd vibe of years past |
| 18:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | to ogle people in costumes and get drunk, Corrodias2 |
| 18:47.36 | Mr_Rabies | and go too far, in a lot of cases |
| 18:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | Corrodias2, to have the fun of "crashing" it. |
| 18:47.41 | Corrodias2 | ah |
| 18:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | luckily, last year they started checking badges at the door |
| 18:47.56 | Mr_Rabies | and the nerd vibe was returned |
| 18:48.40 | Maldivia | go Agnel! |
| 18:48.41 | Mr_Rabies | no one's gonna pay $40-50 a day to crash a nerd gathering unless they're a nerd |
| 18:49.28 | Jamash | they managed to get this far without checking badges? amazing |
| 18:50.10 | Corrodias2 | security is harrrrrrd. :effort: |
| 18:50.19 | Jamash | I've done badge check duty, which is annoying, but well worth it |
| 18:50.22 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 18:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | dragoncon is huge |
| 18:50.35 | Mr_Rabies | so it kills the flow of traffic, but it's worth it |
| 18:50.42 | Corrodias2 | > run a giant event, don't bother with any form of security |
| 18:50.49 | Mr_Rabies | since traffic is only from people who helped fund it, and not slackers on the whole |
| 18:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | they have security, but generally only like, near big panels and dealer's rooms |
| 18:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's still entirely possible to sneak in, but you really have to know the back entrances into the hotels |
| 18:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | which is way too much work for the average frat bro |
| 18:52.27 | Mr_Rabies | but dragoncon's across 5 hotels, a few of which are a block or two apart from the main ones, so it's impossible to keep it hermetically sealed |
| 18:52.41 | Jamash | I did it on the party floor of the hotel we were in |
| 18:52.50 | Jamash | people try all kinds of excuses |
| 18:52.55 | Corrodias2 | yikes |
| 18:53.05 | Mr_Rabies | every floor of every hotel at dcon is the party floor :p |
| 18:53.06 | Jamash | dude I'm just coming in for a minute to talk to a guy! |
| 18:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | they always report about 30k attendance to dcon, increasing it slightly as they add hotels |
| 18:53.43 | Jamash | standard response: get someone with a badge to tell the guy to come out of the badge area |
| 18:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | "I was just in there, you remember me! I left my purse and my badge and everything!" |
| 18:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | to keep away from the watchful eye of the fire marshall |
| 18:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | there's probably 2-3x as many people as that :p |
| 18:54.28 | Mr_Rabies | truth be told, if there was really a fire, things would go poorly |
| 18:54.54 | Corrodias2 | the people running this thing are incredibly irresponsible |
| 18:55.21 | nicoli_s | im really hoping to go to dragoncon this year with the wife |
| 18:55.37 | Corrodias2 | i hope you don't burn to death too much |
| 18:55.40 | Mr_Rabies | there's not much you can do, Corrodias2 |
| 18:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's been going for like, 20 someodd years with no major problems yet |
| 18:56.12 | Mr_Rabies | hell, there was a bomb threat at a bank a block away and we still had no problems :p |
| 18:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-96j3cHN1GLw/TZ8VuUa92kI/AAAAAAAACSc/Mx95vDtf6ZY/s1600/hyatt-dragoncon-2.jpg |
| 18:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | this is average density at dragoncon |
| 18:56.34 | Corrodias2 | aside from that time you mentioned they had too many frat people |
| 18:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | across four huge hotels |
| 18:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | well, that was mostly just bad timing |
| 18:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | the football game was late in the day, so there were a bunch of bored frat bros there most of the day |
| 18:57.26 | Mr_Rabies | they did start checking badges once it worked its way up the chain, so it was really only a problem for one day |
| 18:57.32 | Corrodias2 | so it wasn't a major problem, just a ... |
| 18:57.43 | Corrodias2 | minor problem? |
| 18:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | but it did harse the vibe |
| 18:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | harsh |
| 18:58.07 | Mr_Rabies | and there were some accounts of sketchiness that happened mostly outside of public areas |
| 18:58.15 | Mr_Rabies | (elevators in parking garages, etc) |
| 18:58.42 | Corrodias2 | excuse it if you want; i still think it's very irresponsible to flaunt a lack of safety and implement barebones security, even if it doesn't typically cause problems |
| 18:59.13 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it's flaunting as much as it's just slow to build up |
| 18:59.40 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, there are far more dangerous places in atlanta |
| 18:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | (we wound up in one, thanks to most GPSes being wholly unprepared for atlanta's terrible layout) |
| 19:00.12 | Mr_Rabies | we wound up in an area so bad that cops don't even go there past sundown generally, at about 2am |
| 19:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | we were the only car on the road :< |
| 19:00.30 | Kraps_ipod | Lol |
| 19:00.36 | Corrodias2 | if anything i'd consider that more of a reason to have security at a convention |
| 19:00.39 | Corrodias2 | but do as you wish |
| 19:00.45 | nicoli_s | its funny i think ive only seen hippies at music festivals complaining about frat guys harsing the fvibe |
| 19:01.10 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think there's a way you could provide -real- security for something like dragoncon |
| 19:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | the closest thing are the atlanta police that hang around outside most of the day, and direct traffic |
| 19:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | you could have metal detectors and armed guards at every door, but is it really worth it? |
| 19:03.14 | Kraps_ipod | Not with all the fake weapons and cosplay parts |
| 19:03.17 | Corrodias2 | i'd have to know the cost first |
| 19:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's $120 for the weekend, 4 days |
| 19:03.36 | nicoli_s | are there many hippies at dragon con? |
| 19:03.41 | Corrodias2 | i mean for implementing that |
| 19:03.42 | kd3 | is water wet? |
| 19:03.43 | Mr_Rabies | there are some |
| 19:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 19:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | even if it was free |
| 19:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't want it |
| 19:04.20 | Kraps_ipod | Why would hippies go to dragoncon |
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| 19:04.23 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be security theater at best |
| 19:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | everyone goes to dragoncon |
| 19:04.31 | Mr_Rabies | it owns |
| 19:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | even frat bros go to dragoncon |
| 19:04.54 | Corrodias2 | so what is it, if everybody's there? that's the world |
| 19:05.17 | nicoli_s | Kraps_ipod:theres hippie/nerd crossover |
| 19:05.19 | Mr_Rabies | dragoncon is a nerd-biased representation of the world |
| 19:05.37 | Mr_Rabies | only at dragoncon do you see darth vader taking colonel sanders photo with jesus |
| 19:05.40 | Kraps_ipod | Odd |
| 19:05.49 | Mr_Rabies | there are like |
| 19:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | christian fan society panels |
| 19:05.59 | Corrodias2 | as i understand, conventions consist largely of costumes, presentations, and merchandising. is that right? |
| 19:06.02 | Mr_Rabies | skeptics panels (with james randi!) |
| 19:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | wrestling panels |
| 19:06.08 | Mr_Rabies | everything |
| 19:06.16 | Kraps_ipod | Huh |
| 19:06.30 | Mr_Rabies | dragoncon's less "corporate" than, say, comic-con, cogwheel |
| 19:06.31 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 19:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | Corrodias2 |
| 19:06.52 | Corrodias2 | what does that mean? |
| 19:07.45 | Mr_Rabies | there aren't a lot of big ads everywhere, other than what's up at the hotel, and it's more focused on letting fans enjoy their interests together than like ACTIVISION PRESENTS GUN GAME: GIANT BANNERS EVERYWHERE |
| 19:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's a lot more fan-focused than comic-con |
| 19:11.19 | nicoli_s | they have adult swim panels too right? |
| 19:11.20 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, badge checking was sorely needed at the doors |
| 19:11.34 | Lopeppeppy | Some cons do, some don't. |
| 19:11.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they don't generally bring like, marketing dudes from adult swim |
| 19:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | but since they're literally 5 minutes up the road |
| 19:12.05 | Mr_Rabies | they tend to do some hilarious things at dragoncon |
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| 19:12.13 | Mr_Rabies | like they had an ADULT SWIM DRAGON PANEL a few years back |
| 19:12.14 | nicoli_s | i love the AS murals they do in atlanta |
| 19:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | where a bunch of adult swim voice actors, etc wore custom made dragon hats and answered dragon-related questions |
| 19:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | like "are there vegetarian dragons?" |
| 19:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | the voice of master shake professed his interest in cars |
| 19:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | Of course there are. Half of those knights have been hit in the head enough to become mental vegetables. |
| 19:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | i went to a panel lance henriksen hosted last year |
| 19:14.12 | Mr_Rabies | that was amazing |
| 19:14.25 | Mr_Rabies | he just like, sat on the table and talked back and forth between the fans |
| 19:14.35 | Mr_Rabies | at the beginning there was a huge presentation |
| 19:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | a bunch of fans in USCM uniforms marched in formation and presented him with an award of some sort (with a chained alien in tow) |
| 19:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait |
| 19:15.53 | Mr_Rabies | i seriously plan my fall schedule around going to conventions |
| 19:16.21 | Mr_Rabies | i make sure to not schedule any classes that are important on thursday or friday during fall :P |
| 19:16.31 | Mr_Rabies | take off work way ahead of time, etc |
| 19:18.22 | kd3 | hah... "You know, it's kind of nice having a thug... er, I mean <class>... like you around." |
| 19:18.45 | nilyaK | idk how better rogue is than thug. |
| 19:19.33 | mikma | aayeah. batman1 is stull a fun game |
| 19:19.36 | mikma | still* |
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| 19:21.04 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2012/07/yikes-net-casting-spider-catching-prey-i.php |
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| 19:46.41 | Humbedooh | rtharper, you'd like that, wouldn't you - the apparatus virtuosos coming out |
| 19:48.45 | Dagmar | We don't want to hear about your experiences handling your apparatus |
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| 19:56.17 | rtharper | Humbedooh: So would you |
| 19:56.22 | rtharper | google diego hypolito |
| 19:56.29 | rtharper | hot gay brazilian gymnast ;) |
| 20:04.55 | Stanzilla | TC-Work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/433-mana-deficit-display/ was that you? |
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| 20:40.19 | TC-Work | Stanzilla: si |
| 20:40.32 | Stanzilla | hokay |
| 20:41.09 | nevcairiel | your name really looks like crap in all caps like that |
| 20:41.39 | TC-Work | do you see care in my typing? |
| 20:41.52 | nevcairiel | you must care, you bothered ti respond! |
| 20:42.19 | TC-Work | i enjoy spatring |
| 20:42.22 | TC-Work | sparing* |
| 20:46.11 | Jamash | *sparring |
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| 21:02.43 | Kraps_ipod | ~ping |
| 21:02.43 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:07.22 | pompy | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19053453 good to know |
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| 21:24.17 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
| 21:24.27 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 21:24.31 | Stanzilla | sup bro |
| 21:26.46 | Fisker | sup yourself |
| 21:28.07 | Stanzilla | don't be a dick, dick |
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| 22:00.02 | TC-Work | Stanzilla: does this mean it's actually going to be implemented after three years? |
| 22:00.25 | Stanzilla | no idea :D |
| 22:03.36 | TC-Work | ... |
| 22:13.37 | Stanzilla | :D |
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| 22:30.54 | Amarande | so, is the Theramore boat path for Alliance being replaced at all for MoP, or is that one just going away for good and we learn to be nice to the Steamwheedle Cartel so we can use Ratchet to Booty Bay instead? |
| 22:31.14 | Amarande | (and I'm presuming then that whatever boat it was that used to go to Theramore is likely going to become Alliance's route to Pandaria?) |
| 22:34.17 | Stanzilla | I like burgers |
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| 23:12.06 | p3lim | Any of you know of a quest that I can test the AutoQuest with? |
| 23:12.16 | p3lim | The one that pops up in the watch frame that is |
| 23:12.25 | p3lim | Preferably easily obtainable |
| 23:14.27 | foxlit | someone unhook p3lim and replace GLaDOS before he tests himself to death. |
| 23:15.19 | p3lim | :D |
| 23:15.33 | Amarande | hands foxlit a [Delicious Chocolate Cake] |
| 23:15.47 | p3lim | Its a lie, don't fall for it foxlit! |
| 23:16.31 | foxlit | p3lim: did you know that since Patch 3.3.0, all starter area quests are automatically accepted upon talking to the NPC? |
| 23:16.50 | p3lim | I know, but it's not those types of quests I need to test |
| 23:16.57 | foxlit | the Accept button is a lie, such as it is. |
| 23:17.15 | p3lim | It's the ones that show a button in the watchframe |
| 23:21.02 | foxlit | hyjal dailies. |
| 23:21.20 | foxlit | more specifically, the two-stage ones from the dryad |
| 23:21.57 | kd3 | or if you're in mists the shado-pan dailies at the garrison |
| 23:22.56 | p3lim | kd3: That's level 90 right? |
| 23:23.00 | kd3 | ya |
| 23:23.05 | foxlit | uldum and vashj'ir also have a few "kill pests" quests, but those are non-repeatable and probably subject to phasing |
| 23:23.13 | p3lim | One more level to go then |
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