| 00:05.01 | Amarande | gah when did cut gems start stacking :| |
| 00:07.04 | Amarande | also, wow, it's becoming harder and harder to find gems for leveling gear if you don't have your own JC |
| 00:09.47 | Dagmar | Yeah but if you're leveling they're not really all that important since you're just going to replace them in 2-3 levels |
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| 00:11.59 | Unkle | Somertimes 2-3 levels = 1, maybe 2 instances. |
| 00:16.17 | xyphoid | sounds like a good market opportunity |
| 00:16.56 | xyphoid | keep levelling gems at 1k or something to take advantage of OCD |
| 00:17.10 | Amarande | I don't have a JC on this server, though |
| 00:17.44 | foxlit | "gems for leveling gear" << lol |
| 00:17.54 | foxlit | everyone knows levelling gear has no sockets. |
| 00:18.45 | xyphoid | hey i put white vendor gems in my hellfire ramparts pants, don't underestimate OCD |
| 00:21.03 | Amarande | heh right now I have a motley assortment in my robe and boots |
| 00:21.18 | Amarande | pretty much "anything I could find that had int on it, was usable in pre-cata gear and didn't cost a fortune" |
| 00:28.29 | Unkle | I don't think I even gemmed the freebie relic I got as a deathknight. |
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| 01:03.15 | Arrowmaster | 120 second block of ads on hulu, damnit |
| 01:03.51 | TC-Work | oh nose, 120 seconds of something you dont want to watch |
| 01:04.26 | Arrowmaster | actually they were blocked so it was 120 seconds of nothing |
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| 01:05.01 | Arrowmaster | so i went to unblock them just so it wouldnt be so borring and i swear it seems like the countdown paused everytime i left the page |
| 01:06.06 | Dagmar | THat's because it does |
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| 01:10.50 | Amarande | Heh, the system is designed so if you try to take a break during the commercials, the commercials resume when you come back? :P |
| 01:15.25 | Arrowmaster | no its only if you are blocking the ads |
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| 01:29.41 | Amarande | heh Arrow, Hulu isn't run by Turner or something are they? :P |
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| 01:30.04 | Amarande | I remember reading that some time ago the Turner execs went on record as saying that you have a virtually legal duty to watch the commercials when you watch TV or you're stealing the shows |
| 01:30.19 | Amarande | And even using the commercials for bathroom breaks was only kinda sorta tolerated :P |
| 01:32.13 | Unkle | The model of ad-supported content is one of "pay and pray." |
| 01:34.13 | Amarande | Heh, and if they really wanted to be picky about the whole "you have a duty to the ads if you want the content", they could claim that you don't buy enough of the things that their sponsors are trying to hawk :P |
| 01:34.23 | Amarande | "What's that, you don't buy enough Tide and you don't own a Lexus? YOU'RE STEALING OUR SHOWS" |
| 01:34.37 | mckenziemc | hush Amarande |
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| 01:36.33 | TC-Work | http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/gamer-wedding-cake-topper |
| 01:40.01 | mckenziemc | http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/minesweeper-scratch-off-card o.o |
| 01:40.10 | Corrodias2 | well, that's interesting |
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| 02:23.12 | Gnarfoz | on x64 Windows 7, do all 64b programs need to be digitally signed or timestamped (or both), or does that apply to just drivers? any programmer nerds? :D |
| 02:23.28 | Corrodias2 | just drivers |
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| 02:25.33 | Corrodias2 | i've compiled and run stuff without any signing. in addition, i'm running rbtray, which is a 64-bit image that is unsigned. |
| 02:25.45 | Gnarfoz | okies |
| 02:30.02 | Kaylin | Question time, I am playing with GetCursorPosition() and I am getting non edge of screen integer values more often than would seem likely. Is this just my dumb luck and low sample size or is something else going on here? as in I'll get 578 or 372 instead of getting a long trailing decimal (though I got a lot of trailing decimals). |
| 02:33.36 | Kaylin | (I'm making big random numbers if anyone was like why the hell would you want to do this) |
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| 02:35.57 | oscarucb | the mouse pointer position is discretized by the screen resolution |
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| 02:36.46 | oscarucb | ie the mouse is never "between" two adjacent pixels |
| 02:36.56 | TC-Work | yay, dns is down! |
| 02:38.33 | Unkle | TC-Work: Fun times. |
| 02:39.27 | TC-Work | Good news is i dont have to troubleshoot it. Bad news is i have to deal with the 600 people asking |
| 02:41.16 | Unkle | Do this - change your voicemail greeting and let all calls go to voicemail. |
| 02:41.16 | Kaylin | http://i.imgur.com/vVNVF.jpg |
| 02:41.49 | Unkle | Kaylin: Windowsed mode? |
| 02:41.54 | Kaylin | yes |
| 02:41.59 | Kaylin | window fullscreen |
| 02:42.05 | Unkle | There's your discrepancy. |
| 02:42.27 | Unkle | 1024 x 768? |
| 02:42.38 | oscarucb | it doesnt matter what mode - if your screen is 1024x768, there are only 1024 possible x values |
| 02:42.40 | Kaylin | no 1080p |
| 02:42.52 | oscarucb | and 768 y values |
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| 02:43.27 | TC-Work | Unkle: the 'hotline' doesnt have voicemail |
| 02:43.34 | Unkle | TC-Work: :/ |
| 02:43.40 | oscarucb | if you want a good random seed you can use mouse movement over time |
| 02:44.17 | Kaylin | yea that's what I was going to work with oscarucb |
| 02:44.37 | Unkle | Kaylin: Are you using custom macro icons? I don't believe I've seen some of that art before. |
| 02:44.49 | oscarucb | just assume ~5 bits of randomness per cursor position and take as many samples as needed |
| 02:45.37 | Unkle | (not that i'm positivie I've seen all the icons). |
| 02:46.32 | Kaylin | http://i.imgur.com/DVAU7.jpg in fullscreen |
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| 02:47.15 | Kaylin | unkle I'm picking various icons out of the UI sometimes but they're all included in the game client. |
| 02:47.44 | Unkle | *nod* I hadn't seen the dual-sword + shield one before. |
| 02:47.50 | kd3 | the pandaria version of "A Steamy Romance Novel" has been located |
| 02:47.52 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:47.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/A_Steamy_Romance_Novel:_Hot_and_Misty |
| 02:48.12 | Kaylin | ah, that's a new rogue skill in cata |
| 02:48.17 | Kaylin | well, newish |
| 02:48.27 | Amarande | pickpocket is a new rogue skill? :) |
| 02:48.31 | Kaylin | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=74001/combat-readiness |
| 02:48.43 | Unkle | kd3: oy, that text is *bad* |
| 02:49.04 | Unkle | Ah, I've only ever gotten a rogue to 71. |
| 02:50.26 | Kaylin | so to recap, there are only 1080 vertical values here though most are not whole numbers? |
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| 02:51.16 | Kaylin | and obv less or more depending on resolution |
| 02:53.16 | Amarande | I've never gotten a rogue past 23 or so ... heh |
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| 02:53.51 | Kaylin | also oscarucb is there a specific reason you suggested ~5 bits or just a low number of bits each time? |
| 02:54.33 | Kaylin | I like rogues, I have 5 of them >_> |
| 02:55.43 | Unkle | Kaylin: Yes. Your resolution + "UI Scale" setting are controlling factors. |
| 02:56.09 | Kaylin | good to know :) |
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| 03:02.02 | oscarucb | well each coordinate value is about 5 bits if you assume the lowest resolution, but cursor position is also highly non-random |
| 03:02.37 | oscarucb | so 5 bits of true randomness from both coordinates is optimistic |
| 03:03.48 | Unkle | Why not just randomly generate a number, multiply it by another random number, divide the result by another random number and call it good? |
| 03:04.09 | oscarucb | that does not create true randomness |
| 03:04.20 | oscarucb | and the games PRNG is quite poor |
| 03:04.33 | Unkle | I mean, just how random do you need? |
| 03:04.44 | Unkle | Which is what I'm getting at. |
| 03:04.51 | oscarucb | I assume he's doing something cryptographic? |
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| 03:05.32 | oscarucb | if you just need cheap and crappy random then math.random() works |
| 03:05.57 | Unkle | *nod* |
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| 03:07.57 | Iriel | It's not even /that/ crappy |
| 03:08.05 | Iriel | unless you've got to worry about malicious parties |
| 03:09.42 | Unkle | I was just adding a (tiny) bit more randomness. I'm trying to figure out what you need a even more randomness for. :) |
| 03:09.49 | Unkle | In a wow-context |
| 03:09.56 | oscarucb | I believe it uses C99 rand(), which is a low-quality PRNG |
| 03:10.14 | oscarucb | and combining outputs from a PRNG does not increase randomness at all |
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| 03:11.46 | oscarucb | you're more likely to just introduce a bias in the distribution by doing that |
| 03:12.52 | Kaylin | yes I was eventually, well ideally, going to make RSA keys, we'll see how bored I get. |
| 03:13.26 | Kaylin | I generally spend about 99% of my potential programming time looking at cats on the Internet so |
| 03:13.36 | Kaylin | that's not exactly ideal for getting anything done |
| 03:15.15 | Kaylin | and why? god who knows. extreme boredom. If the Internet ever runs out of cats. |
| 03:16.52 | Unkle | The internet will never run out of cats. |
| 03:16.55 | mckenziemc | codes a cat-simulator |
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| 03:17.28 | Iriel | http://www.flickr.com/photos/partialobscurity/7595284224/in/photostream/lightbox/ |
| 03:18.42 | Unkle | ZOMG - It's full of cats! |
| 03:18.57 | kd3 | hm. so the oatmeal took the safe way out and didn't draw mohammad |
| 03:19.34 | Unkle | Yeah, I don't think he wanted to go into hiding |
| 03:20.07 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 03:20.10 | Unkle | And on that note, time to go home and get some food. |
| 03:20.11 | kd3 | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion |
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| 03:33.51 | Ackis | would this work: /cast [target=tank]Midirection;[target=pet]Misdirection (cast it on the tank it it exists, otherwise on my pet? |
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| 03:36.09 | pompy | did u c/p it or type it in here? |
| 03:36.29 | pompy | "midirection" ? ;) |
| 03:36.31 | Ackis | typed it in here |
| 03:36.34 | pompy | kk |
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| 03:48.54 | mckenziemc | no Ackis |
| 03:50.41 | Ackis | because tank doesn't exist right? |
| 03:50.46 | mckenziemc | right |
| 03:52.20 | p3lim | Ackis: /cast [@focus,exists,help][@pet,exists] Misdirection |
| 03:52.39 | p3lim | You will have to set your tank as focus however, but this is your best bet |
| 03:53.56 | Ackis | thanks |
| 03:55.05 | Ackis | was trying to debug in a dungeon but they go to fast for my old bones |
| 03:55.18 | p3lim | You can add /focus [@target,exists,help] into the same macro, and use the same button to set your focus to the tank |
| 03:56.02 | p3lim | I use something alike this for Tricks of the Trade for my rogue, and have used that exact macro when I still played on my hunter |
| 03:56.35 | Kaylin | #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade |
| 03:56.35 | Kaylin | /cast [combat] Arcane Torrent |
| 03:56.35 | Kaylin | /cast [target=focus] Tricks of the Trade |
| 03:56.35 | Kaylin | /use [combat] Thistle Tea |
| 03:56.38 | Kaylin | is what I have for tricks |
| 03:56.38 | p3lim | https://github.com/p3lim/pBindings/blob/master/bindings/hunter.lua#L20 |
| 03:57.04 | p3lim | There is the full macro |
| 03:57.19 | p3lim | Thistle tea? |
| 03:57.39 | p3lim | Doesnt that give 0 energy at level 85? |
| 03:57.41 | Kaylin | 10! |
| 03:57.50 | p3lim | xD |
| 03:58.54 | p3lim | Here's my TotT macro: https://github.com/p3lim/pBindings/blob/master/bindings/rogue.lua#L38 |
| 03:59.56 | p3lim | Using the same button to set my target as focus and using TotT itself during combat and whatnot |
| 04:02.41 | Ackis | ok sexy macro |
| 04:02.54 | Ackis | just need a group to test it out with, anyone a level 81/82 tank? |
| 04:03.01 | p3lim | Play safely with it, I'm off |
| 04:05.04 | mckenziemc | yes Ackis but i'm not allowed to play it without my girlfriend : / |
| 04:05.29 | mckenziemc | now, if you want to be my girlfriend.... |
| 04:08.55 | Ackis | I'm married but I could use some side nooky |
| 04:10.25 | Thunder_Child | and now we know who wears the 'pants' |
| 04:10.40 | Thunder_Child | no one. |
| 04:10.48 | Thunder_Child | because Cairenn has stolen them all. |
| 04:11.07 | mckenziemc | wait, Cairenn is pantsninja? |
| 04:11.18 | Thunder_Child | you have no idea |
| 04:11.28 | Cairenn | since before pantsninja joined the channel |
| 04:11.41 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 04:12.07 | Cairenn | I've been ninja'ing pants in MMOs for 10 years now :p |
| 04:12.54 | mckenziemc | is there a NoScript equivalent for Chrome yet |
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| 04:28.40 | Shadowed | weird |
| 04:29.04 | Shadowed | go accidental kline |
| 04:30.38 | Thunder_Child | same with KarlKFI |
| 04:31.02 | Thunder_Child | you both have ipv6, that might be it |
| 04:31.41 | Shadowed | fun |
| 04:32.09 | ajmitch | everyone I saw k-lined is in the same /64 |
| 04:32.39 | Shadowed | They probably just klined linode |
| 05:08.49 | Primer | Anyone know if it's possible to cast 2 instant spells conditionally in a macro? |
| 05:09.22 | Primer | right now I have 1 macro that reads: /cast Lifeblood /cast Berserking (on two separate lines, of course) |
| 05:09.52 | nevcairiel | conditionally? on what condition? |
| 05:09.57 | Primer | But I want to combine this into one macro: /cast [spec:1,stance:5] both |
| 05:09.58 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 05:10.00 | Fisker | not so hey Shadowed |
| 05:10.18 | Primer | I guess I just need two lines, each with the same conditionals |
| 05:10.20 | nevcairiel | just use the same condition on both lines? |
| 05:10.27 | Primer | yeah, I just realized that |
| 05:19.45 | mckenziemc | hey so Fisker |
| 05:29.39 | Ackis | if anyone is familiar with "Cat vs Human" I bought a commission for my wife for her birthday: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/337208_10150934656700658_131751022_o.jpg |
| 05:29.42 | Ackis | Cairenn: ^ |
| 05:30.56 | Cairenn | awwwwww! |
| 05:31.01 | Cairenn | that's adorable! |
| 05:31.21 | Ackis | I like how she drew the hermit crabs :D |
| 05:31.51 | mckenziemc | yeah i was about to say i see you have crabs |
| 05:35.01 | Kaylin | bitlib question! if I use it with a non-integer does it crash or just use the floor chopping off the trailing decimal or what? |
| 05:35.32 | nevcairiel | lua> bit.bnot(1.1234) |
| 05:35.32 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: -2 |
| 05:35.39 | nevcairiel | no crash :p |
| 05:35.47 | nevcairiel | and the expected result, it just cuts off |
| 05:45.06 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blood_feeding_butterflies_5362.JPG o.o |
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| 06:00.13 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 06:00.22 | mckenziemc | i went from 178 browser tabs to 158 to 246 :( |
| 06:00.35 | mckenziemc | curse you wikipedia |
| 06:02.58 | Kaylin | you should search google for the world record for most browser tabs open at one time. |
| 06:03.46 | Thunder_Child | If i was going to do that, i would do it at work, we have 48GB machines there |
| 06:05.30 | mckenziemc | that would be nice |
| 06:05.33 | mckenziemc | i only have 3 |
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| 06:41.58 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/564139_474000819296588_2029146137_n.jpg lols |
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| 12:19.02 | Yoshimo | The PetBattle "combattext" , is that just text or is it a real language independent thing like normal combatlog? |
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| 12:33.08 | foxlit | it's just text. |
| 12:37.26 | karl_w_w | foxlit why aren't you entertaining me? |
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| 15:20.14 | nilyaK | assaults bluspacecow with a copy of Foror's Compendium of Dragonslaying. |
| 15:21.34 | karl_w_w | when do them olympics startsing? |
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| 15:33.29 | Arrowmaster | yay rain! http://wxug.us/ateu |
| 15:35.25 | Arrowmaster | too bad its going to be a high of 102 tomorrow |
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| 16:00.41 | Adys | question to someone with more knowledge |
| 16:00.58 | Adys | is it actually possible to implement ssh protocol's authentication in-browser to log in to a website? |
| 16:01.47 | Adys | assuming my browser knows about my private and public key of course |
| 16:02.06 | kagaro | if you want it to be reallly slow in javacript |
| 16:02.23 | kagaro | granted i dont think it would work correctly |
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| 16:02.44 | nilyaK | is there a reason you can't just use the built in system and connect to a website using https? |
| 16:02.51 | nilyaK | like what are you using this to do? |
| 16:03.08 | Adys | no, this is just curiousity |
| 16:03.39 | Adys | http://serverfault.com/questions/233650/public-key-authentication-or-similar-over-http-https |
| 16:03.40 | Adys | hah |
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| 16:26.47 | pantsninja | Cairenn|afk: Sorry for stealin' your nick, if that is the case. I've only been using this nick for a few years. |
| 16:27.33 | Arrowmaster | she doesnt use that nick, shes just a pants ninja |
| 16:27.45 | pantsninja | ah |
| 16:28.00 | pantsninja | well, *hugs for Cairenn* regardless |
| 16:28.22 | Lopeppeppy | She's in disguise, doesn't use a formal name. |
| 16:29.18 | pantsninja | goes off to work! |
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| 16:37.31 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 16:37.32 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:39.41 | nilyaK | ~syn |
| 16:39.41 | purl | ack |
| 16:39.52 | Torhal|work | ~ack |
| 16:39.53 | purl | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 16:40.00 | bluspacecow | ~meow |
| 16:40.00 | purl | jbot: woem |
| 16:40.04 | Torhal|work | ~laziness |
| 16:40.04 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:40.36 | nilyaK | pretty much |
| 16:40.51 | nilyaK | torhal|work I would have expected synack |
| 16:41.06 | Torhal|work | ~hubris |
| 16:41.06 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:41.26 | nilyaK | ~cats |
| 16:41.26 | purl | methinks cats is http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/EB110ATX/ |
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| 16:41.45 | Torhal|work | ~impatience |
| 16:41.46 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
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| 16:45.41 | bluspacecow | ~Torhal |
| 16:45.41 | purl | somebody said torhal was some long-haired freak who re-writes all of Ackis' code. |
| 16:45.43 | bluspacecow | BRB |
| 16:46.20 | Torhal|work | lol |
| 16:48.28 | TC-Work | I love how it assumes that if you own a tesla, you have a garage. |
| 16:49.07 | nilyaK | my parents have a garage, it's full of stuff, stuff that isn't a car. Stuff that I should probably take to the city dump. |
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| 16:57.13 | Arrowmaster | nilyaK, same, and its a 3 car garage |
| 16:57.33 | Arrowmaster | we have 3 cars and they all get parked outside right now |
| 16:59.16 | TC-Work | I know more people that use garages for storage a crap that isnt needed than to hold a car |
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| 17:03.39 | Torhal|work | I have a garage that used to be full of junk but I kept freaking out about it and now I can park my car in there. |
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| 17:06.15 | TC-Work | Good for you |
| 17:08.43 | TC-Work | So i am looking at car options and one says "Active air suspension", i keep looking "All cars delivered in 1012 are required to have active air suspension".....I feel that this is not really an option and should not be in the option section. |
| 17:08.57 | TC-Work | but thats just me. |
| 17:09.05 | TC-Work | 2012* |
| 17:09.22 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to be suspended by AIR. That's for airplanes, not cars. |
| 17:09.22 | Dagmar | People are getting fucking serious about this flying cars thing, man |
| 17:11.03 | nilyaK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoxbMIBe3Gw probably nsfw =/ |
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| 17:19.13 | karl_w_w | <Lopeppeppy> I don't want to be suspended by AIR. That's for airplanes, not cars. <- but aren't planes like exponentially safer than cars? |
| 17:19.52 | TC-Work | only because of the ratio of people who fly to people who drive |
| 17:20.04 | karl_w_w | no |
| 17:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | And TC was talking about cars being suspended in air. |
| 17:20.11 | karl_w_w | it's because of the suspension |
| 17:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly what we said. *weg* |
| 17:20.57 | pompy | http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/korea-has-invented-something-much-worse-than-the-s |
| 17:21.16 | karl_w_w | is it the dreaded w? |
| 17:21.32 | pompy | totally |
| 17:21.41 | pompy | but its worse than the shake weight! |
| 17:22.26 | nilyaK | worse or... better? |
| 17:22.35 | Dagmar | That commercial is just bad |
| 17:22.56 | pompy | haha |
| 17:22.59 | pompy | its korea! |
| 17:23.02 | Dagmar | "Watch as we gesture towards a video of a woman who doesn't know how to ride a horse in order to show you this isn't awkward" |
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| 17:23.19 | nilyaK | pmuch |
| 17:23.35 | Dagmar | Seriously, that horse was not galloping. She was just bouncing up and down in the saddle for "personal fulfillment" |
| 17:23.41 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 17:23.45 | nilyaK | a cheap mechanical bull for your home! |
| 17:23.50 | pompy | lol |
| 17:23.56 | TC-Work | actually the only time you are supposed to do that is with a trot |
| 17:24.06 | TC-Work | but that was still above and beyond |
| 17:24.24 | nilyaK | but the real question is can I use it as a controller to play every extra extend extreme on my 360 |
| 17:24.52 | Lopeppeppy | You can use it as a controller all right... but probably not xbox |
| 17:25.34 | Torhal|work | I almost snorted. |
| 17:27.11 | Dagmar | TC-Work: I have been on a horse once. No one told me a damn thing, and the girl thought it would be funny to go fast. |
| 17:27.22 | Dagmar | TC-Work: So... no idea WTF trot actually is, but by god I can remember what you "must do" to stay on the damn things. lol |
| 17:27.52 | Dagmar | There was no second date with that girl |
| 17:28.07 | TC-Work | Really? sounds like a keeper to me |
| 17:28.33 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that someone who tries to kill me on a first date isn't much to be trusted. |
| 17:28.42 | Dagmar | What if she tries again? |
| 17:29.00 | TC-Work | There is kill, and then there is test. |
| 17:29.03 | Torhal|work | …makes you stronger. |
| 17:29.13 | bluspacecow | http://dailyfailcenter.com/13068 |
| 17:29.17 | bluspacecow | trolololololol |
| 17:29.19 | Dagmar | People get killed being thrown from horses ata a full gallop |
| 17:29.41 | kd3 | the trick is - keep the horse between you and the groudn |
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| 17:30.49 | pompy | .... |
| 17:30.53 | pompy | "State wildlife officials have identified the man who has been spotted dressed in a goat suit among a herd of wild goats in the mountains of northern Utah." |
| 17:31.02 | Torhal|work | Yes, goatman. |
| 17:31.10 | pompy | http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/wireStory/official-goat-man-utah-mountains-hunter-16842235 |
| 17:31.11 | Torhal|work | I remember Bill Hicks has a skit about "goat boy". |
| 17:31.17 | Torhal|work | s/has/had/ |
| 17:31.49 | Lopeppeppy | If you want to dress up as a prey species during hunting season, you deserve every bit of buckshot you get. |
| 17:32.04 | Dagmar | Who hunts goats? |
| 17:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | Mountain goats. He wasn't dressing up as a farm animal and hanging out next door. |
| 17:32.40 | Dagmar | Oh okay |
| 17:32.43 | Amarande | Wow. A Blizzard rep had to confirm in the vanilla days that using MC on mobs that grant buffs in order to buff up before a specific raid boss wasn't an exploit? |
| 17:32.45 | pompy | apparently ppl in utah |
| 17:32.48 | Dagmar | I'd just be assuming they belonged to someone |
| 17:32.52 | Amarande | How would it be an exploit ... that's just strategy :S |
| 17:33.03 | kd3 | we didn't know that back then |
| 17:33.21 | kd3 | and yes, it was the scarshield spellbinders who cast a fire resist buff, very useful in MC |
| 17:33.33 | Dagmar | It's a good plan if you want to catch things that prey upon goats |
| 17:33.51 | Amarande | But really, that's no different than, say, waiting to turn in certain quests so that you can keep getting the quest specific buff from the giver NPC |
| 17:34.25 | Amarande | (e.g., Bloodmyst had a couple of quests that were useful in such a way) |
| 17:34.36 | Arrowmaster | didnt everybody use that buff on their tanks for their first rag kills? |
| 17:35.06 | Amarande | Of course, OTOH, we're talking about MMORPGs, where it seems like many vendors like to have the stance that "if it's a strategy that works and *we* didn't intentionally think of it, it's an exploit, regardless of whether the actions are otherwise allowed on their own" :P |
| 17:35.43 | Amarande | Maybe it comes from having played a lot of non-MMOGs, but I tend to only see something as an exploit myself if it requires actions that are not supposed to be allowed to players - i.e., it requires overt cheating :S |
| 17:36.01 | nilyaK | blizzard's stance on addons and who is required to break offending addons is the only stance I feel is sane. |
| 17:37.01 | pompy | that badaddons file they made still isnt very clear, unless its not readable :O |
| 17:37.36 | Arrowmaster | its not |
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| 17:38.07 | Amarande | heh, does much of anything even land in baddons specifically, though? |
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| 17:38.32 | Amarande | or is it more like that casino ban list that Nicky was laughing at in Casino before ending up on it ... something like there being about two or three names on it and one of them is still Al Capone :P |
| 17:38.55 | nilyaK | basically if your addon does something they don't like but it is within the rules otherwise (an addon that say spams goldselling sites would not be within the rules) it's on Blizzard to disable/break it. |
| 17:39.02 | Amarande | from what I've seen, usually when an addon proves unbalancing or exploitative, the remedy tends to be to nerf the ability to do whatever it was the addon was doing via addon |
| 17:39.33 | Amarande | ah |
| 17:39.40 | Amarande | although the trade chat throttle probably takes care of those, too |
| 17:40.36 | nilyaK | yes, they break addons however they feel is useful, throttles, protecting functions like with old healing addons forget the name, AVR, quick auctions poster, etc. |
| 17:40.40 | bluspacecow | IIRC a particular bad build of GearScore ended up in badaddons.wcf |
| 17:40.57 | nilyaK | and yea, specific addon signatures like with one very extra spammy version of GS |
| 17:41.25 | pompy | cant wait to see how fast blizz does something about http://www.diablofans.com/topic/63365-got-bored-of-d3-made-ah-price-checker-instead/ |
| 17:41.31 | Dagmar | I must have missed that. WHat was it doing? |
| 17:41.32 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:41.33 | pompy | cant believe he p[osted on teh forums about it lol |
| 17:41.36 | Amarande | GearScore in general should be in baddons |
| 17:41.44 | nilyaK | Amarande: agreed. |
| 17:41.58 | Amarande | any addon that has that polarising of an effect on the community ... seriously, Decursive was better than GearScore |
| 17:42.11 | Amarande | At least Decursive just made the game more fun for lazier players. GearScore made the game less fun for most players. |
| 17:42.12 | bluspacecow | @Dagmar regarding the price checker or regarding the bad version of gearscore ? |
| 17:42.24 | Dagmar | Now, now. Don't blame software because players are fucking morons |
| 17:42.40 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: What was GS spamming? |
| 17:42.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: the trouble with GearScore was that as designed, it was only any good for being an elitist bastard |
| 17:42.47 | pompy | addon msgs |
| 17:42.58 | bluspacecow | addon whisper channel afaik |
| 17:43.01 | Amarande | It solely was based upon a total point score of gear, and made little or no attempt to take into account things other than raw item level and stat quantity |
| 17:43.17 | Amarande | The proper piece of software if you wanted a real gear evaluator was Elitist Group. |
| 17:43.20 | Dagmar | Amarande: People trying to use it as more than jsut a ball-park number were damn stupid |
| 17:43.49 | Amarande | since EG wasn't just a raw number tallier, it actually tried to account for matters such as role appropriateness and whether things were properly enchanted and gemmed |
| 17:43.51 | Dagmar | If someone was wearing wrong-stat purples to pump up their GS number, _they_ were stupoid |
| 17:44.01 | bluspacecow | because your experience & skill in wow can totally be summarised into a number /sarcasm |
| 17:44.17 | nilyaK | yes it would communicate peer to peer with the whisper channel, nuking the hell out of everybody's bandwidth, sending the GS numbers of players without even sanity checking their correct values so you could theoretically put in w/e value you wanted which was what GS breaker did. |
| 17:44.30 | Dagmar | How the crap is he scraping the D3 market data... |
| 17:44.42 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 17:44.46 | nilyaK | can you get it off the website? if not it would be out of the client right? |
| 17:44.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, that (as well as using kinda-sorta-okay PvP gear in place of proper raid gear, thus wasting valuable stat points on Resilience, and usually on Stamina too unless you were a tank) was often a desperate measure people felt forced to resort to |
| 17:45.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: Dunno. For some classes that wasn't actually a bad idea |
| 17:45.33 | pompy | Dagmar: prolly injected into the exe and shit |
| 17:45.38 | Amarande | yeah, like I said, if you're a tank, the extra stamina was a good idea (and I think pre 4.0 resilience actually could substitute for defence to a degree) |
| 17:45.39 | Dagmar | I do remember kitting out my lock in some PvP purples and then realizing the stats were actually pretty useful |
| 17:45.47 | Amarande | but if you're not a tank, it was pretty well suboptimal |
| 17:46.19 | Amarande | The problem though was that people felt almost forced to make those bad gear decisions, though |
| 17:46.20 | nilyaK | yes pre-4.0 resil would reduce chance to be crit in pve too. |
| 17:46.27 | pompy | probably can find out clues by viewing the source of his website |
| 17:46.56 | Amarande | because, unless you had an established raid guild membership, often all that mattered was making the minimum cutoff that the majority of PUG raid leaders demanded based on GS |
| 17:46.59 | nilyaK | similar issues atm with achievements, etc. that's why we have nice achievement faker addons |
| 17:47.04 | Torhal|work | GearScore (or PlayerScore, whatever) as of December 2010 blatantly copied much of how Elitist Group worked. |
| 17:47.23 | Amarande | Torhal: that's presumably because Elitist Group's functionality was about the only thing worth it anymore :P |
| 17:47.30 | Torhal|work | Heh |
| 17:47.51 | nevcairiel | what happend to gearscore anyway, do people still use that? |
| 17:47.58 | Amarande | Blizzard already has an item level based system, so pretty much all you have to worry about now is whether the gear is role appropriate and properly gemmed/enchanted |
| 17:48.47 | pompy | nevcairiel: 640k dlds on an 8 month old version |
| 17:48.53 | Torhal|work | nevcairiel: It's PlayerScore now. |
| 17:48.53 | pompy | which is the latest one |
| 17:48.54 | nilyaK | people generally stopped using GS when Blizzard implemented their average ilvl UI, nuked a version of GS, and when the expansion hit and people didn't know what a 'good' gearscore was anymore |
| 17:48.58 | Dagmar | Torhal: Why would you claim it "blatantly copied" them? |
| 17:49.05 | Dagmar | This seems like a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" |
| 17:49.23 | Dagmar | People bitched because GS used a very simplified approach, and complained endlessly. |
| 17:49.44 | Torhal|work | Dagmar: Because the interface was almost identical. |
| 17:49.44 | Dagmar | ...so how is it reasonable to still complain when they start to do something more than just add numbers into a big pile? |
| 17:50.04 | Primer | I have PlayerScore installed. It reports things such as number of pvp, ungemmed, and unenchanted items |
| 17:50.08 | pompy | Just use Torhal |
| 17:50.12 | pompy | 's GearGauge |
| 17:50.13 | pompy | ;p |
| 17:50.27 | Torhal|work | pompy: You mean that thing I haven't touched in almost three years> |
| 17:50.28 | Torhal|work | ? |
| 17:50.32 | pompy | yup |
| 17:50.34 | pompy | ! |
| 17:50.34 | Dagmar | It's not like either of them have a massively complex interface |
| 17:50.44 | Dagmar | If you ask for bar charts, don't get mad that they're boring |
| 17:51.05 | nilyaK | just ignore it. 30% nerf and afkfinder raid gear, it hardly matters at this point in the expansion. |
| 17:52.42 | Dagmar | There's parts of that raid I still think they should make harder |
| 17:53.02 | Dagmar | The purple beach ball should fucking *kill* mages lolling over to it |
| 17:53.21 | Dagmar | I was actually pissed to see that first-hand |
| 17:53.43 | nilyaK | I should have to move out of things like black blood on raid finder difficulty |
| 17:53.49 | nilyaK | as a rogue I can spam feint and make it through |
| 17:53.55 | nilyaK | nevermind if cloak is up |
| 17:54.20 | pompy | wonder what they did to hotfix the invulnerable mage exploit |
| 17:54.40 | pompy | seemed to have been activated after todays/yesterdays rolling restarts |
| 17:55.43 | nilyaK | too bad, it was one of my favorite features of d2, I thought they were just making mages unkillable to try to get me to buy d3. |
| 17:55.51 | nilyaK | wizards, w/e |
| 17:59.25 | Amarande | I'm not even sure what the invulnerable wizard exploit was, anyway, since I haven't played D3 yet |
| 18:00.06 | F16Gaming | hm, RepopMe does not require HW event? |
| 18:00.08 | Primer | You're not missing much |
| 18:00.25 | Amarande | nilyaK: don't forget that when Cata first hit the current raid content was actually PISSING HARD, to boot, compared to the relatively sedate difficulty of ICC late in LK |
| 18:00.36 | nilyaK | yea |
| 18:00.46 | nilyaK | they seem to have really backed off of that. |
| 18:00.50 | pompy | F16Gaming: you just call the function |
| 18:00.56 | bluspacecow | i have yet to go to ICC |
| 18:00.58 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.03 | F16Gaming | pompy: well that's nice :o |
| 18:01.07 | Amarande | which meant, one of the chief reasons people used GS (to try to make you have essentially heroic 25 gear to do normal 10) really wasn't viable, since basically nobody *had* the higher end gear or even raid gear at all, and if they did, they were probably only doing guild runs with their hardcore guild |
| 18:01.48 | Amarande | Like, the guild I used to raid with during late LK and early Cata |
| 18:02.14 | Amarande | we had gone 10/12 hardmodes in ICC10 and would have easily, I think, reached 12/12 within a couple more months if we had had the chance before 4.0 and Cata disrupted LK raiding |
| 18:02.57 | Amarande | then we get to 85, do some heroics, then we try to take our first baby steps into BWD and what-was-the-one-in-TwiHi-called and could barely even scratch the first bosses in each |
| 18:03.02 | pompy | wheres mckenziemc when you need him? |
| 18:03.07 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 18:03.29 | mckenziemc | this is nothing : / |
| 18:03.35 | pompy | heh |
| 18:03.53 | bluspacecow | quick ! |
| 18:03.57 | bluspacecow | *throws pokeball* |
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| 18:04.19 | bluspacecow | *mckenziemc resists the pokeball* |
| 18:04.48 | mckenziemc | flees. |
| 18:05.07 | Torhal|work | casts "Endless Monologue" on mckenziemc. |
| 18:05.26 | bluspacecow | its wildy effective ! |
| 18:05.31 | bluspacecow | mckenziemc is bored to death! |
| 18:05.33 | Amarande | At least ICC actually let you beat one or two bosses (or really three, since Gunship was laughably easy) before starting to beat the ever-living crap out of you, even if you were still newish to it. :) |
| 18:05.57 | mckenziemc | oh i see... maybe i should go back to bed |
| 18:06.07 | pompy | lol |
| 18:06.19 | bluspacecow | all i've found is snow cubs here :( |
| 18:06.55 | bluspacecow | sleep tiems |
| 18:06.58 | Torhal|work | cubs bluspacecow to death. |
| 18:07.17 | Amarande | And that was one of the chief problems with GS. It let people be totally elitist bastards about gear in instances that were already pretty easy even with relatively blah gear |
| 18:07.32 | Amarande | I don't think you start running into trouble in ICC undergeared until you hit Saurfang, right? |
| 18:08.13 | Torhal|work | *crickets* |
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| 18:08.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: No, Saurfang is just a very nasty fight. |
| 18:08.57 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of fights in ICC where uber shiny gear really helps a lot. LK, Saurfang, maybe Sindy and PP. *Maybe* BQL simply because it's a straight DPS race, but even that one seemed rather lenient on normal. |
| 18:09.07 | Dagmar | It's not a matter of undergeared or not. It's just a bitch until you're overgeared for it. |
| 18:09.44 | Amarande | And even when you are. |
| 18:10.04 | Amarande | I remember when we hit 85 we tried taking some guildies and a few pug members back to ICC10 to take a shot at finally finishing the heroic run |
| 18:10.12 | Amarande | We did not make it past Saurfang. :| |
| 18:10.23 | nevcairiel | then you seriously suck |
| 18:10.44 | Amarande | nev: well, the PUG members might have. we had heroic Saurfang down solid during LK as a guild |
| 18:10.51 | mckenziemc | well that's already known, nev |
| 18:11.05 | nevcairiel | mckenziemc: true, but someone had to say something! |
| 18:11.26 | Amarande | though really I'm thinking the more likely factors were that we were perhaps actually a little weaker in DPS terms (since we were in mostly questing gear at that point, vs. optimised gear at 80) |
| 18:11.31 | Amarande | and probably most of all the marks |
| 18:11.48 | Amarande | Saurfang is an extremely heal intensive fight, and healer mana was a serious problem in early cata |
| 18:12.37 | Amarande | even in basic cata 5-mans, healers tended to OOM frequently against the tougher bosses |
| 18:12.40 | F16Gaming | i had completely forgotten about this http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmoon_Card:_Twisting_Nether :o |
| 18:13.16 | nevcairiel | thats because most healers just sucked, give them a tiny bit harder content and they go crying |
| 18:13.24 | nevcairiel | sadly blizzard caved, as always :p |
| 18:14.13 | Torhal|work | Well, they screwed up by saying "Let's just do away with CC" in WoTLK, then attempted to bring it back when all the people who started playing then had no idea WTF it was. |
| 18:14.37 | Amarande | Torhal: Yeah, plenty of fun in ... which place was it that had those guys. |
| 18:14.48 | Torhal|work | Stockades. |
| 18:15.04 | Torhal|work | Er |
| 18:15.06 | Torhal|work | No. |
| 18:15.07 | Amarande | I remember it was an Uldum instance, and it had these guys that were kind of like the %#$&*#($&ing spellflingers from Ahn'kahet, except even more facemelty, like to the tune of six-digit damage if they were allowed to finish their channel as I seem to remember |
| 18:15.30 | Torhal|work | The instance with Van Cleef |
| 18:15.35 | Torhal|work | Can't remember the damn name now. |
| 18:15.39 | Amarande | except there are three Uldum instances and now I can't remember which had which mobs |
| 18:15.40 | nevcairiel | dead mines? |
| 18:15.44 | Torhal|work | Yes. |
| 18:16.05 | nevcairiel | I liked deadmines, it always was a bit more challenging then the others |
| 18:16.12 | Torhal|work | The heroic version required TBC-level CC, which totally mindfucked anyone who started playing during WoTLK. |
| 18:16.19 | nevcairiel | those rotating things that you had to avoid |
| 18:16.20 | Dagmar | Sucks to be them |
| 18:16.21 | nevcairiel | brilliant :p |
| 18:16.31 | Torhal|work | Yah, I enjoyed it |
| 18:16.36 | Dagmar | If all ya wanna do is speed runs, go play something else |
| 18:16.36 | Torhal|work | Then they nerfed it due to QQ. |
| 18:16.39 | Amarande | And speaking of Uldum instances, there was always Tol'vir to tax healers |
| 18:16.50 | Amarande | Siamat was just plain painful to heal back in the early days of cata |
| 18:17.03 | nevcairiel | only healer taxing thins in tolvir was when you tried the achievement on the end boss |
| 18:17.09 | nevcairiel | without that, it was easy |
| 18:17.26 | Amarande | It was a longish fight, you had to heal CONSTANTLY, and until you actually got some proper scrubs on, your doctor skills were pretty draining on the mana |
| 18:17.46 | Amarande | nev: don't forget we're talking about the first few weeks of cata, when people were still trying to get their first 85's geared |
| 18:17.59 | nevcairiel | first few weeks was when we did all the dungeon achievements |
| 18:18.04 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:18.24 | Jamash | I haz laptap |
| 18:18.35 | nevcairiel | taps Jamash's lap |
| 18:18.42 | Amarande | nev: also, were you alliance or horde? |
| 18:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | wonders what that's all about |
| 18:18.44 | Jamash | STOP POKING MEEE |
| 18:18.59 | Amarande | I know there was a possibly relevant bug with Horde in the beginning |
| 18:19.04 | Jamash | man |
| 18:19.08 | Jamash | not having a real PC sucks |
| 18:19.10 | nevcairiel | Amarande: the faction is irrelevant to the difficulty of dungeons |
| 18:19.28 | Amarande | nev: actually, it was a matter of a faction having a bug that impacted, well, a faction |
| 18:19.35 | Jamash | snap |
| 18:19.50 | Amarande | As I remember, for some reason the Horde quest chains in Vashj'ir never gave any Earthen Ring rep like they were apparently supposed to |
| 18:19.58 | Jamash | really |
| 18:20.16 | Amarande | which left players who leveled via Vashj'ir terribly short on rep, to the point where it was a struggle even to find enough quests to hit friendly so you could use the damn tabard |
| 18:20.27 | Jamash | I don't remember that being an issue |
| 18:20.33 | Jamash | icbw |
| 18:20.42 | nevcairiel | i never heard of such problems, you must be smoking again |
| 18:21.09 | mikma | weed man |
| 18:21.11 | Amarande | nev: I distinctly remember my DK getting barely any earthen ring rep from quests there, and I did pretty much all of Vashj'ir |
| 18:21.14 | Torhal|work | DAILY |
| 18:22.38 | Amarande | Don't forget that the tanking head enchant and the holydin 346 blue and 359 purple chest pieces come from ER rep, too |
| 18:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | Holy holydin. |
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| 18:23.32 | Amarande | from wowhead: "There was a really nasty bug at Cataclysm launch where Horde players basically didn't get Earthen Ring rep for the vast majority of Vashj'ir quests, when we should have, because quest givers that were tagged Earthen Ring weren't actually flagged with the faction. My main finished Vashj'ir on launch night and couldn't even get out of neutral." |
| 18:23.47 | Amarande | so yes, actually, in the initial stages where the rep gear means the most, it did matter if you were Horde or Alliance |
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| 18:24.37 | Amarande | and note that "couldn't even get out of neutral" also screws you out of even being able to dungeon grind since you need friendly for tabards |
| 18:24.45 | Jamash | awesome |
| 18:25.12 | Gnarfoz | so, another question about crash dumps... is there more than one way to do it? I assume there's some Windows API way to do it that results in a certain file format? I'm kind of having a Don Quixote thing going with some TeamSpeak support guy... if anyone wants to take a look and tell me if I'm totally wrong or he's a moron... start reading from here: http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php/71251-Client-TSDNS-Crash?p=320549#post320549 |
| 18:25.35 | Jamash | um |
| 18:25.38 | Jamash | how I install PTR |
| 18:25.58 | Gnarfoz | I feel like I basically did half the job for them already, yet, he keeps parroting his "we can't use this" parole |
| 18:26.10 | Primer | People still use teamspeak? |
| 18:26.22 | Torhal|work | Gnarfoz: Tactical nukes from orbit. |
| 18:26.22 | Jamash | I clicked on "download public test client" and it gave me the mists beta |
| 18:26.30 | Torhal|work | Jamash: Hawt. |
| 18:26.33 | Gnarfoz | of course, why wouldn't you use the second best voip software there is? |
| 18:26.40 | Torhal|work | Jamash: Are you IN beta? |
| 18:26.41 | Gnarfoz | (the best being Mumble) |
| 18:26.43 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:26.45 | Torhal|work | If so, you can't do PTR. |
| 18:26.47 | Jamash | wat |
| 18:27.27 | Gnarfoz | (always been this way, at least it's always been what blizzard said. worked for me for cata beta + ptr, but didn't work for wrath, haven't tried for mop) |
| 18:27.41 | Jamash | I never had a problem with ptr+beta before |
| 18:27.56 | Torhal|work | Jamash: I can't find the US post (there was one) but here: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4878358165 |
| 18:28.12 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6008461841 |
| 18:28.20 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: he seems like a support idiot, not someone that knows what he is talking about :p |
| 18:28.24 | Jamash | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| 18:28.24 | Torhal|work | Ok, well, there you go. |
| 18:29.15 | Jamash | well, are there any major differences, api or event-wise between the PTR and Beta clients for addon purposes? |
| 18:29.17 | Torhal|work | Jamash: It's essentially the same thing anyway. |
| 18:29.30 | Torhal|work | The only real difference is that PTR has the client, not the content. |
| 18:29.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I want to flame him, his mother, his friends and his colleagues so bad :( but I want to do it nicely. :P |
| 18:29.34 | Jamash | aight |
| 18:31.28 | Jamash | so, time to remember how to code addons |
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| 18:34.15 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz, do it |
| 18:35.40 | Arrowmaster | Iranian nuclear facilities hit by AC/DC virus that turns off automated system operations, turns on PCs at night playing 'Thunderstruck' |
| 18:35.52 | Arrowmaster | i loled |
| 18:35.56 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 18:39.10 | Jamash | can't tell if the onion or real life |
| 18:40.40 | Gnarfoz | Fark? |
| 18:40.41 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:40.56 | pompy | http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/23/iran-atomic-organization-malware/ |
| 18:40.59 | pompy | its on reddit too |
| 18:41.40 | Arrowmaster | the line i pasted was the title on reddit |
| 18:42.55 | pompy | " It detects when you’re using a communications app such as IM or Gmail, and takes screenshots to record your conversation. It can also turn on the computer’s microphone and record audio in the vicinity, sniff network traffic, log your keystrokes, and more." |
| 18:42.56 | pompy | gg |
| 18:43.45 | Jamash | no camera snaps? |
| 18:44.02 | Jamash | I guess some cameras have a status light that might alert the user |
| 18:44.59 | Jamash | lessee, what development addons do I need other than luabrowser, hack, addon control panel |
| 18:45.28 | foxlit | I'm surprised you need /any/ development addos. |
| 18:45.32 | foxlit | *ons |
| 18:45.35 | Jamash | well "need" is a strong word |
| 18:45.56 | Jamash | "are convenient and helpful to have" |
| 18:46.10 | Jamash | LuaBrowser in particular is great |
| 18:46.18 | foxlit | what does it do? |
| 18:46.26 | Jamash | it's a variable inspector |
| 18:46.34 | Jamash | click on table, shows values |
| 18:46.40 | foxlit | http://s.cdn.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw26912.jpg |
| 18:46.43 | Jamash | it's super handy |
| 18:46.46 | foxlit | with fascinating choice of icons, heh. |
| 18:48.16 | Jamash | bug grabber and bug sack also |
| 18:48.32 | foxlit | default error handling seems good enough for me. |
| 18:48.40 | foxlit | anything I'm missing out on? |
| 18:48.43 | Jamash | it's handy to have persistence between sessions |
| 18:48.55 | Jamash | especially when I'm /reloading a lot |
| 18:49.10 | foxlit | dunno, usually fix the previous message before a /reload. |
| 18:49.30 | Jamash | yeah well like I said, not absolutely necessary but handy to have |
| 18:50.15 | Primer | One of my addon still occasionally hangs the UI when zoning into some instances. Bug's been there for YEARS, and I still haven't figured out the cause |
| 18:50.24 | Jamash | ugh |
| 18:50.52 | foxlit | I do use a longer-editbox-for-scripts addon, though. That thing had a hilarious ## Interface: 1300 tag |
| 18:50.58 | Gnarfoz | <pompy> " It detects when you’re using a communications app such as IM or Gmail, and takes screenshots to record your conversation. It can also turn on the computer’s microphone and record audio in the vicinity, sniff network traffic, log your keystrokes, and more." <-- that sounds like the malware the german federal police bought |
| 18:51.48 | foxlit | Hack would probably be better, but this thing is like 20 lines of unbreakable XML. |
| 18:58.25 | pompy | http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/eu-google-idINL6E8IOJNO20120724 |
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| 19:34.52 | foxlit | 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=18 ttl=50 time=1005.170 ms |
| 19:35.07 | foxlit | first world problems, clearly. |
| 19:35.27 | kd3 | eesh |
| 19:36.28 | foxlit | some routers are apparently really bad at handling upload bandwidth contention. |
| 19:38.17 | Gnarfoz | "some"? |
| 19:38.32 | Gnarfoz | you should look into the phenomenon that is bufferbloat |
| 19:38.55 | Gnarfoz | it's everywhere, and it is annoying as hell :| |
| 19:39.36 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: that, however, is not the issue in this case. |
| 19:40.31 | Gnarfoz | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 19:41.06 | Gnarfoz | well, shit, that might not be TCP though, so maybe it doesn't apply |
| 19:41.27 | nevcairiel | pings are indeed not tcp :p |
| 19:41.57 | Gnarfoz | well, TMTOWTDI |
| 19:42.01 | mitchnull | the world should really move on to SCTP :) |
| 19:42.26 | foxlit | Tunneling over starcraft? Sounds efficient. |
| 19:42.27 | pompy | im tracert'ing the server im on in wow and it times out at the 19th hop... but i have no issues connecting to the server.. so what does that mean? |
| 19:42.35 | mckenziemc | scrolling combat text protocol, foxlit |
| 19:42.39 | nevcairiel | ping is icmp, there is no other way, or its a mis-labeld operation :p |
| 19:42.40 | Gnarfoz | that the 19th hop doesn't reply to pings. |
| 19:43.08 | mitchnull | goddam google |
| 19:43.08 | nevcairiel | pompy: just that everything after that is firewalled |
| 19:43.08 | mitchnull | foxlit: more like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol |
| 19:43.12 | pompy | but the 18th hop isnt the server? |
| 19:43.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: "ping" is just "send something, expect an answer back". maybe you meant "ICMP echo request + reply is icmp" |
| 19:43.15 | pompy | -? |
| 19:43.23 | Dagmar | whaaa |
| 19:43.30 | Gnarfoz | pompy: you won't be able to ping the actual server you're on that way. |
| 19:43.38 | pompy | ah, kk. |
| 19:43.58 | nevcairiel | you might be able to ping it just fine, but you cant get a traceroute because the routers in between dont allow you to |
| 19:44.02 | Dagmar | Ping is _defined_ as an ICMP request, but that doesn't stop Microsoft from making _their_ ping "special" and have it using UDP. |
| 19:44.12 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you're thinking of traceroute. |
| 19:44.22 | nevcairiel | microsofts ping is also normal ping |
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| 19:44.26 | Gnarfoz | and no, "ICMP echo request" is "ping", that doesn't mean "ping" can't be anything else. |
| 19:44.30 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 19:44.47 | Gnarfoz | whatevrrr |
| 19:44.55 | Dagmar | Doh you're right |
| 19:45.04 | pompy | nevcairiel: i just pinged the server ip and the 4 packets all were lost |
| 19:45.16 | nevcairiel | it differs what companys like to block |
| 19:45.19 | mitchnull | pompy: I ate them all |
| 19:45.21 | Gnarfoz | also, GNU traceroute can also do udp (and microsoft's can do icmp as well I think?) so they're just different defaults |
| 19:45.23 | mitchnull | *burp* |
| 19:45.32 | nevcairiel | but its rare you can traceroute directly into their datacenter .p |
| 19:45.57 | nevcairiel | what protocol you use for traceroute isnt all that important either way, the mechanism is the same |
| 19:46.05 | nevcairiel | set ttl very low, see which router sends it back |
| 19:46.46 | pompy | the wiki says the last hop should be 12.129.193.242 or 12.129.193.246 .. for me it was 12.129.193.254 |
| 19:46.47 | Gnarfoz | I find blocking (icmp :P) pings rather pointless, since just dropping them is, by spec, a perfect sign that there's actually a server there (or somewhere in front of it) that's throwing away the packets... if the server really wasn't there, the previous host en route would say "ICMP host unreachable" :( |
| 19:47.11 | Dagmar | It's *also* possible that what's happening is that at that hop, the router thinks that it's main interface is a IANA-reserved non-routable address like 172.16.1.2 (which is common as fuck among Cisco people)... It's sending the response back with that as the source address, and another router on down the line is saying "Oh fuck you and your spoofed address bullshit" and droppin git |
| 19:47.31 | Gnarfoz | pompy: why are you bothering with this? wow "user to user" tech support is pretty... unsophisticated, to stay out of the realm of insults |
| 19:48.01 | pompy | eh. |
| 19:48.03 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. who cares what someone put on "the wiki" - they probably have no idea what they're doing) |
| 19:48.18 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz++ |
| 19:48.29 | Gnarfoz | that means so much, coming from you |
| 19:48.34 | Gnarfoz | does a happy dance |
| 19:48.41 | kd3 | also, things changed some time back and we haven't updated it yet. feel free to update it if things have been tied down |
| 19:48.42 | Dagmar | ...either that or this is a sign the Chinese have penetrated the Blizz datacenter and are now performing MITM attacks on everything |
| 19:48.42 | Gnarfoz | ;-] |
| 19:49.02 | Gnarfoz | yes! they're using Huawei routers! |
| 19:49.07 | Dagmar | I just like to see people admit that wiki docs are crazy-sauce |
| 19:49.19 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: That whole issue is just so much bullshit |
| 19:49.20 | nevcairiel | if the chinese knew how to get aroud a firewall, they wouldnt constantly complain about no access to various pages |
| 19:49.28 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: they're just scared as fuck :D |
| 19:49.28 | nevcairiel | around* |
| 19:49.59 | Dagmar | I find it the absolute height of hipocracy that they're complaining the Chinese probably have backdoors into shit when THEY MANDATED they be given backdoor access into everything via Congressional measure. |
| 19:50.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the idea is that it's the guys running the GFW that are to be considered dangerous :) |
| 19:50.06 | Dagmar | Like, seriously? Fuck you hypocrites. |
| 19:50.45 | Gnarfoz | I liked the recent story where there was some kind of backdoor in a crypto chip where it would spew out all the secret keys inside, which they found through some kind of new IC analysis technique |
| 19:50.49 | Dagmar | You don't get to demand everything have LEO backdoors with no auditing or controls, and then complain when other people have the same thing |
| 19:52.11 | pompy | yeah true, there hasnt been many updates in the past 1.5 years on the datacenter wiki page. |
| 19:52.14 | Dagmar | THey should be mandating that things have absolutely no undocumented-to-the-user access methods, period. |
| 19:52.38 | Dagmar | pompy: Also there's nothig stopping them from changing IP addresses in the datacenter pretty much any damn time they please |
| 19:52.52 | pompy | yeah makes sense |
| 19:56.21 | Aurorus | Gnarfoz: the thing is that it's not any crypto chip - it's the RSA token chip - i.e. the one used by millions worldwide :/ |
| 19:56.37 | Gnarfoz | Aurorus: huh? no, that was something else. |
| 19:57.10 | Aurorus | I must have missed the something else -- the RSA chip spewed out secret keys iirc |
| 19:57.38 | Dagmar | The fucking solution to this is obvious. |
| 19:57.48 | Dagmar | Don't let your goddamn enemies make your "secure" hardware. |
| 19:58.05 | kd3 | but they're cheaper! |
| 19:58.19 | kd3 | thinks to the nsa pens produced in china they handed out a few years back |
| 19:58.25 | Dagmar | ...becuse they're not hampered by a fucked up patent system. |
| 19:59.21 | Dagmar | I saw a circuitry challenge put up a while back where the goal was to be able to, thought a jtag interface, determine if an eeprom image had been tampered with by the manufacturer. |
| 19:59.31 | Gnarfoz | Aurorus: you're confusing things, I'm pretty sure. I was talking about this http://www.information-age.com/channels/security-and-continuity/news/2105468/security-backdoor-found-in-chinamade-us-military-chip.thtml + http://www.scribd.com/doc/95282643/Backdoors-Embedded-in-DoD-Microchips-From-China |
| 19:59.31 | Dagmar | The answer is always "Probably so". |
| 19:59.50 | Dagmar | THere is fuck all you can do to prevent it when you let someone else make it, and fuck all you can do to detect it when you let someone else make it. |
| 19:59.52 | Aurorus | Ahh, okay, Gnarfoz - handn't seen that info |
| 19:59.54 | Aurorus | ty |
| 20:00.42 | Gnarfoz | Aurorus: the "only" thing that RSA did recently was getting their customer's token secrets stolen. :D which, honestly, should have bankrupted the company. Only goes to show how much people actually care about their security. They probably think "we're not affected, right?" :D |
| 20:01.08 | nevcairiel | well they all got shiny new tokens. :p |
| 20:01.14 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Lulzy yes. Bankruptcy? Not really |
| 20:01.30 | Aurorus | Well, in Australia the Attorney General department had a whisper from ASIO -- that's Australian spooks -- and then came out and said that Huawei was barred from tendering on the mutli-billion dollar telecom infrastructure upgrade called the NBN. |
| 20:01.32 | Dagmar | Part of the reason you're paying them if you're a customer is because you have no fucking idea how to do this stuff on your own |
| 20:01.33 | Arrowmaster | they have enough patents on stuff to not go bankrupt |
| 20:01.41 | Gnarfoz | "whoops, we fucked up everything our company is about. you're going to stay with us, right?" :D |
| 20:01.41 | Aurorus | No other reason was given other than "ASIO said no" |
| 20:01.45 | Dagmar | Them reissuing tokens isn't tjhat expensive |
| 20:02.18 | Dagmar | ...and what the Chinese are doing isn't all that different from what France Telecom has been doing for ages. |
| 20:02.19 | Gnarfoz | it's not about money |
| 20:02.31 | Dagmar | No, it's about stealing your trade secrets. |
| 20:02.39 | Gnarfoz | I was thinking of the fact that they shouldn't be trusted anymore. |
| 20:02.49 | Dagmar | Dude, mistakes happen. |
| 20:03.10 | Dagmar | If they'd been compromised and didn't figure it out, _that_ would be a failure of severity enough to drop contracts. |
| 20:03.13 | Gnarfoz | you're calling that a "mistake"? :D that's probably the understatement of last year. |
| 20:03.23 | Dagmar | It's a big mistake but it was _detected_. |
| 20:03.30 | Gnarfoz | yes, later. |
| 20:03.31 | Dagmar | A compromise does not invalidate a security model. |
| 20:03.44 | Dagmar | There's a very simple rule of "that which you cannot prevent you must detect". |
| 20:04.03 | Gnarfoz | are you defending them because they're a US company? |
| 20:04.15 | Dagmar | ...because those are the two pieces to validating any security measure. If you can't prevent it, because some thigns cannot be prevented, you MUST detect that the even occurred. |
| 20:04.37 | Unkle | Wow, jingoist accusations, already? Godwin, thy sting! |
| 20:04.46 | kd3 | considering the level of spear phishing that went down to even pull it off, I'm not sure any organization could've prevented that |
| 20:04.47 | Dagmar | No, I'm defending them because the position that they can't be trusted ever again because they had a compromise which was NOT a failure of the model, is both short-sighted and dumb. |
| 20:04.54 | Gnarfoz | (also, wasn't there something about this that was in the realm of "they shouldn't even have had that data lying around" (because it's not necessary in their crypto scheme and should've been only on the tokens)) |
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| 20:05.54 | Gnarfoz | ^ clarifying: I'm talking about the token secret, which they shouldn't have had to keep for it to work, but if stolen, would result in the compromise that happened |
| 20:06.18 | Dagmar | How _else_ to you reissue tokens? |
| 20:06.23 | Dagmar | s/to/do/ |
| 20:06.25 | Gnarfoz | I should go through some news posts from that time, I'm not sure I'm not mixing up different things. |
| 20:07.02 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: hm? if you reissue it, it'd hopefully use a different secret, why else would you reissue it in the first place |
| 20:07.19 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: jingwhat? :D |
| 20:07.42 | Dagmar | Besides which it was Lockheed-Martin's fuckup |
| 20:08.00 | Gnarfoz | uhm? they broke into RSA to break into Lockheed-Martin - how is that their fault? |
| 20:08.03 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism |
| 20:08.33 | Dagmar | Now we're even. |
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| 20:08.49 | Dagmar | You make a nonsensical argument, I counter with a non-sensical argument. |
| 20:08.50 | Gnarfoz | kd3: I'll have to look up spear phishing, but my point was (as I said, I'd better check my sources because I'm not sure I'm not misrembering things right now) that they kept stuff around on their end that they shouldn't have had. if they hadn't had it around, there wouldn't have been anything to steal. |
| 20:09.19 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I wasn't aware I made a nonsensical argument, so I'm not sure what you mean |
| 20:09.42 | kd3 | 16:04:02 Gnarfoz: are you defending them because they're a US company? |
| 20:10.00 | Gnarfoz | I thought that was what Unkle's comment was about, not Dagmar's |
| 20:10.21 | nevcairiel | there are plenty people where thats a valid question :p |
| 20:10.26 | Unkle | kd3 hs it right. |
| 20:10.29 | Gnarfoz | (and my comment was because we went from trying traceroute on Blizzard's servers to "CHINESE HACKERS") |
| 20:10.35 | Lopeppeppy | WTB comment threading on IRC... |
| 20:10.53 | Unkle | Nah, then it would just be reddit |
| 20:10.56 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: no making chatting easy! |
| 20:11.00 | Dagmar | Claiming that they can't be trusted anymore because they had a compromise is nonsense. |
| 20:11.03 | kd3 | wha, you mean you can't keep track of several conversations at once? |
| 20:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh but nevcairiel, I like it easy. *purr* |
| 20:11.18 | Dagmar | Security is not a state of permanence. It is an ongoing process. |
| 20:12.12 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: that's not what I'm saying - I'm saying they did something their own crypto system says you shouldn't do and only because of that the compromise actually had some "loot" to grab. Meh, I'll look it up before going on further. |
| 20:13.03 | Dagmar | THey were also actively replacing tokens for clients for some time before the news "broke" |
| 20:13.48 | Gnarfoz | that sounds more like it's hearsay or unrelated, really. also, how can you passively replace tokens? :P |
| 20:14.11 | Dagmar | It wasn't "passively". Please try to pay attention. |
| 20:14.40 | Gnarfoz | ... what |
| 20:14.51 | Gnarfoz | Please try to pay attention yourself :P |
| 20:15.50 | Gnarfoz | just trying to murder useless filler words along the way ;P |
| 20:15.57 | Dagmar | "<Dagmar> THey were also actively replacing tokens for clients for some time before the news 'broke'" |
| 20:16.06 | Dagmar | Is it clearer to you now, o great illiterati? |
| 20:16.23 | Gnarfoz | I'll try one more time: |
| 20:16.36 | Gnarfoz | how do you passively replace tokens? you don't - so why say you're doing it actively? :P |
| 20:16.56 | Dagmar | I'm sorry I just don't feel the need to rebut whatever stupid shit you want to make up. |
| 20:17.14 | Gnarfoz | that's allright, jokes aren't really about rebuttals, anyway. |
| 20:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | .../popcorn |
| 20:17.34 | Dagmar | Oh, okay. |
| 20:18.02 | Dagmar | Probbaly because people get mad and claim you're not doing everything you can if it's not "proactive", "aggressive", or "actively" |
| 20:18.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was making trying to make fun of that^^ |
| 20:19.55 | Lopeppeppy | I might have brought along my arrowhead collection, but I didn't... |
| 20:24.25 | Gnarfoz | are they all stuck in knees somewhere? |
| 20:24.43 | Dagmar | It's a nice change from etchings. |
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| 20:57.18 | Amarande | heh. here's an interesting newegg coupon I was offered |
| 20:57.25 | Amarande | "20% off all parallel printer cables" |
| 20:57.37 | Amarande | how many people even still use parallel printer cables anymore? :blink |
| 21:00.43 | Torhal|work | What if you want to print in parallel? |
| 21:00.45 | Torhal|work | ducks. |
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| 21:02.08 | kd3 | grr |
| 21:02.48 | Amarande | What I always found interesting is how the paradigm turned out to work as it did, when it came to parallel vs. USB etc. |
| 21:03.09 | Amarande | I mean, logically it seems like a parallel bus should always be faster than a serial, since it can send more bits simultaneously, right? |
| 21:03.32 | Amarande | and I'm sure we all remember the old Commodore days when everything ran on that horribly painfully slow DIN-cabled serial bus |
| 21:03.47 | Gnarfoz | Torhal|work: turkeys. |
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| 21:04.01 | Amarande | yet, it turned out that most or even all uses of parallel transport bus between devices seem to have been supplanted by serial buses that actually deliver faster speeds |
| 21:04.03 | Amarande | how did that happen? :S |
| 21:04.26 | Amarande | Serial ATA is faster than parallel ATA, then there's USB, etc. |
| 21:04.29 | mckenziemc | grabs the duct tape |
| 21:04.40 | Arrowmaster | it takes more effort to keep parallel in sync i would guess |
| 21:04.46 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 21:04.51 | kd3 | clocking multiple things to keep them in sync in parallel is hard |
| 21:05.26 | zenzelezz | replaying Max Payne (1)... still love the style. Though I dislike how the game pretends there are no 4:3-resolutions, and needed an external, unofficial tool to patch the sound to work properly on Win7 (though the last one is difficult to blame them for, with the game being so much older than the OS) |
| 21:05.57 | Amarande | zenz: you still have a 4:3 monitor? |
| 21:06.05 | zenzelezz | no, that's what I'm saying |
| 21:06.13 | Arrowmaster | i still have a 4:3 monitor |
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| 21:06.33 | zenzelezz | I have to run the game at 1600x1200 if I don't want it to just stretch everything |
| 21:07.21 | Amarande | I'm not even sure they make 4:3 monitors anymore, heh |
| 21:07.35 | Amarande | ah, that issue, all the resolutions available are meant for 4:3 monitors |
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| 21:11.36 | zenzelezz | it's annoying since it lists all the resolutions the videocard supports, but meh. KotOR suffers the same problem |
| 21:11.58 | Amarande | huh. I also appear to have a coupon for serial cables |
| 21:12.24 | Amarande | like, old timey serial cables that you connected your US Robotics to the computer with so you could dial into your ISP (or more likely AOL, back in the day) |
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| 21:16.02 | Unkle | RS232 ports! |
| 21:17.13 | Amarande | I'm thinking though what anyone actually uses these days that still uses a traditional serial port though :) |
| 21:17.49 | Adys | note to self: don't raise invoices for jobs while browsing the D3 AH |
| 21:18.01 | Adys | I just raised an invoice for $600,000 |
| 21:18.19 | Adys | Now to explain that to the client.. |
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| 21:20.23 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:21.30 | Amarande | Adys, did you put down the gold auction house buyout price as an invoice price in dollars :| |
| 21:21.38 | zenzelezz | Adys: "hey, you wanted to make it run on IE6 too..." |
| 21:21.43 | Adys | Amarande: something like that |
| 21:21.54 | Adys | zenzelezz: actually i got rid of a bunch of stupid IE6 hacks |
| 21:22.07 | Adys | I tell clients that want IE6 support to fuck off |
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| 21:25.11 | pompy | http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20614528,00.html |
| 21:25.56 | Unkle | Adys: I do the same. "IE 6 support? FUCK YOU! GTFO my shop." |
| 21:26.29 | pompy | just link them http://www.ie6countdown.com/ |
| 21:26.48 | pompy | move to China! |
| 21:26.52 | Adys | Unkle: well not in so many words, but they can either hire me for a proper job, get someone else to do IE6 support, or never contact me again |
| 21:27.08 | Unkle | I knew there was a reason I liked you. |
| 21:27.17 | Adys | I have a hot butt. |
| 21:27.28 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 21:27.36 | kd3 | wait, what? MS runs that site? |
| 21:27.48 | Adys | Yea |
| 21:27.56 | Adys | MS has been heavily discouraging IE6 usage |
| 21:27.57 | Unkle | You're too short, too male for my tastes. |
| 21:28.07 | Adys | fuck you, short is the new awesome |
| 21:28.11 | Torhal|work | o.O MoP beta-key giveaway by Blizzard folks in #mmo-champiion on QuakeNet from 19:00 to 21:00 CET. |
| 21:28.16 | Unkle | And you speak French. |
| 21:28.20 | Torhal|work | Why am I just now hearing about this? |
| 21:28.26 | kd3 | with two "i"s? |
| 21:28.30 | xyphoid | seems legit |
| 21:28.39 | Adys | Torhal|work: because nobody gives a shit about MOP keys |
| 21:28.40 | Adys | seriously |
| 21:28.45 | Adys | is ANYONE still not in the beta? |
| 21:28.51 | Torhal|work | Apparently. |
| 21:28.55 | xyphoid | i'm not! but i don't want to be really |
| 21:28.57 | kd3 | yes, considering we had people sign up for mop keys on wowpedia |
| 21:28.57 | Unkle | Some of my guildees aren't. |
| 21:29.07 | Adys | how? |
| 21:29.29 | Unkle | No annual pass, no beta sign up? |
| 21:29.29 | Adys | theres a billion giveaways on every site, most of them have more keys than contestants |
| 21:30.11 | Torhal|work | And no, kd3, only one "i" |
| 21:30.25 | Torhal|work | #mmo-champion <-- No typos there! |
| 21:30.59 | Gnarfoz | let me check how many people tried to just join that channel here on freenode... |
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| 21:31.10 | pompy | ~troll Torhal|work |
| 21:31.11 | purl | ACTION hereby declares Torhal|work a troll |
| 21:31.18 | Adys | but seriously |
| 21:31.21 | Gnarfoz | none?! I'm disappointed. |
| 21:31.30 | mckenziemc | ~bonk #wowuidev pompy |
| 21:31.30 | purl | ACTION bonks pompy over the head on behalf of #wowuidev |
| 21:31.35 | Adys | I think I have something like 6-7 "invites" in total |
| 21:31.37 | Gnarfoz | also, apparently the channel is registered to someone, chanserv came in and deopped me o_O |
| 21:31.37 | pompy | jerk |
| 21:31.39 | pompy | ! |
| 21:31.41 | Adys | i dont even know if they're transferrable |
| 21:31.51 | Torhal|work | pompy: WTF? I'm a troll how? Asshat. |
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| 21:31.58 | Unkle | Adys: Probably not. |
| 21:31.58 | Torhal|work | ~stab pompy |
| 21:31.58 | purl | ACTION runs at pompy with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:32.03 | foxlit | haven't you heard? The beta is the 4.4 patch we never got :) |
| 21:32.12 | Torhal|work | foxlit: Hawt. |
| 21:32.13 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:32.14 | foxlit | pity about the rollbacks, though :( |
| 21:32.38 | pompy | ~tickle Torhal|work |
| 21:32.38 | purl | ACTION jumps on Torhal|work, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 21:32.44 | pompy | :O |
| 21:33.36 | mckenziemc | ~pickle Ackis |
| 21:33.36 | purl | ACTION crams Ackis in a barrel, adds some brine and seasoning, and lets Ackis sit for a long while in a dark room until Ackis is ripe |
| 21:34.06 | Alram | wait Torhal|work there will be blizzard folks in #mmo-champion? |
| 21:34.07 | Alram | im out |
| 21:34.43 | pompy | :O |
| 21:34.44 | Torhal|work | Alram: I read the info from a paste you did on your site. Evil bastage. |
| 21:35.18 | Alram | i dont actually read those things Torhal|work |
| 21:35.31 | Torhal|work | eBays Alram. |
| 21:35.45 | mckenziemc | spays Torhal|work |
| 21:36.09 | Torhal|work | You're a strange one, mckenziemc-Grinch. |
| 21:37.05 | Unkle | The words that describe you are as follows, and I quote … |
| 21:37.30 | Adys | btw |
| 21:37.37 | Adys | kd3: badass grub2 themes: https://github.com/Generator/Grub2-themes |
| 21:37.43 | Adys | <3 archxion |
| 21:38.05 | Torhal|work | I don't usually theme my bootloader, but when I do…wait, WHAT?!? |
| 21:38.51 | kd3 | ! |
| 21:39.08 | Adys | https://github.com/Generator/Grub2-themes/raw/master/Preview/Archinox_preview.png |
| 21:39.27 | Adys | also he says its best in 1024x768, but really its fine in 1680x1024 |
| 21:39.34 | Adys | just the bottom line is not centered properly |
| 21:44.34 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/ApSci/posts/10151100478315605 mind blown? |
| 21:47.53 | mckenziemc | buys pompy a replacement. |
| 21:48.42 | Torhal|work | mckenziemc: Complete with Endless Monologue? |
| 21:48.47 | znf | that's a pretty grub theme |
| 21:50.10 | mckenziemc | Torhal|work: and telestabber |
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| 21:55.01 | pompy | :( |
| 22:13.27 | Arrowmaster | Ackis, http://i.imgur.com/JUdl6.jpg |
| 22:26.01 | Adys | HOLY SHIT |
| 22:26.15 | Adys | easy integration of oauth2/openid in django |
| 22:26.17 | Adys | NO FUCKING WAY. |
| 22:26.26 | Adys | <3 django socialauth |
| 22:26.39 | Dagmar | You know what |
| 22:26.42 | Dagmar | Don't ask, don't tell. |
| 22:26.46 | zenzelezz | :-o |
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| 22:27.37 | Amarande | Django ... whenever I see that name I keep thinking of that old subscription based service that was created to let people matchmake and play dialup DOOM |
| 22:27.41 | Amarande | except ... that's DWANGO |
| 22:27.48 | Adys | dun dun dun |
| 22:27.54 | mckenziemc | cool story |
| 22:27.56 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that at least I know gay people who have merit |
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| 22:31.13 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 22:31.13 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:39.23 | Adys | damn |
| 22:39.29 | Adys | I feel so awesome right now |
| 22:40.22 | zenzelezz | did you fix the invoice? |
| 22:42.56 | Adys | zenzelezz: no, i integrated socialauth into the client's app |
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| 23:23.30 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/rock-band-games-being-removed-from-ios-app-store-this-month/ |
| 23:34.42 | TC-Work | new http://www.indieroyale.com/ |
| 23:34.53 | TC-Work | amazingly i only own one game |
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| 23:37.15 | foxlit | hah, beta |
| 23:37.33 | foxlit | I'm stuck in an infinite loop between "Realm Selection" and "retrieving character list" |
| 23:38.07 | foxlit | (cancelling either leads to the other) |
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| 23:43.02 | TC-Work | Cancel faster |
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| 23:51.40 | Ladyblink | eek |
