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| 00:20.48 | foxlit | I wonder how bidding on D3 AH works |
| 00:21.59 | foxlit | Specifically, if an item is up for X bid, Y buyout, and I specify max bid Y, do I eventually only pay X for it if I win? |
| 00:32.14 | Amarande | foxlit: when you put max bid Y, does it cause you to buy out the auction right then and there? |
| 00:32.31 | Amarande | I'm guessing the max bids work eBay style? |
| 00:33.35 | foxlit | I don't know, hence the question. |
| 00:35.48 | Amarande | ... why did I just take a flight path from Darnassus to Rut'theran instead of using the portal *facepalm* |
| 00:37.42 | foxlit | Okay, so you can't actually bid the buyout price. |
| 00:38.00 | foxlit | Can bid the buyout price - 1 and let the bid increment handle the rest, though. |
| 00:38.29 | foxlit | But it doesn't look like they update the listed bid to your maximum bid, so someone else can come along and bid something below your max, getting the message that their bid wasn't high enough |
| 00:39.38 | foxlit | And now I outbid myself (because hey, showing that you already bid on an item is hard), which confuses the AH UI terribly. |
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| 00:49.16 | foxlit | So, end result: you can bid Y-1, but that won't be reflected in the listed bid price, so other people will be free to bid whatever, instantly failing and raising both the listed bid and the price you'll eventually have to pay for the item. The listed bid seems to be the highest /failed/ bid for the item. |
| 00:59.48 | Ackis | this is me if I ever become a dad: http://i.imgur.com/kyqCF.gif |
| 01:01.31 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 01:01.40 | kd3 | I need to ask my nurse-midwife mother how often this happens |
| 01:07.53 | Amarande | LOL |
| 01:08.23 | Torhal | More Minecraft Azeroth madness: http://i.imgur.com/hvSWb.jpg |
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| 01:26.54 | kd3 | heh |
| 01:27.21 | Kodiack | Torhal, that's craziness. O_o |
| 01:27.37 | Torhal | Hehe |
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| 01:37.05 | Ackis | I've been playing WoW for 13.5 hours consecutively now :( (includes two naps at the keyboard) |
| 01:37.14 | Kaylin | :( |
| 01:38.04 | mckenziemc | goto sleep Ackis |
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| 01:40.15 | zenzelezz | consecutively as in no breaks for eating and such? |
| 01:40.35 | Ackis | without logging out, I've gone pee/poop :D |
| 01:43.03 | zenzelezz | think I pulled a lot of those back in 06/07 when I neither went to school nor worked |
| 01:54.05 | clever | Ackis: lol |
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| 02:03.38 | Amarande | Ackis: You have been playing for 13 hours. Please take a break.? :) |
| 02:03.41 | Amarande | Oh wait, that was Guild Wars |
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| 02:11.38 | pompy | ..... |
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| 02:19.36 | cralor | that's incredible Torhal |
| 02:19.54 | Torhal | Yar |
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| 02:25.14 | Kraps | anyone here watching Gravity Falls? |
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| 03:50.32 | mckenziemc | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4069332d51b1d13b7405401e3682d137.png ... |
| 04:02.09 | TC-Work | thats not unresonable mckenziemc |
| 04:06.48 | pompy | http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/gaming-gadgets/diablo-iii-player-reactions/index.html |
| 04:06.49 | pompy | cnn |
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| 04:54.32 | Xuerian | > joins irc to ask for behavior of new api. > reads new api method that supplants guesswork based on old methods while joining |
| 04:54.35 | Xuerian | Pleasantly surprised. |
| 05:03.56 | karl_w_w | "Is 'Diablo III' a broken game or just too hard?" answer: no |
| 05:08.06 | Fisker | btw mckenziemc |
| 05:08.12 | Fisker | you never thanked me yesterday |
| 05:11.40 | mckenziemc | you're welcome |
| 05:12.32 | mckenziemc | also yesterday is still today |
| 05:12.40 | mckenziemc | and with that, goodnight |
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| 05:24.47 | Xuerian | I don't suppose there's a framexml diff for mop somewhere yet? |
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| 05:26.22 | Torhal | Xuerian: Do you HAVE MoP? |
| 05:26.48 | Xuerian | Torhal: As I'm referring to the beta, yes |
| 05:27.07 | Torhal | So is there a reason you want the diff as opposed to the entire thing? :) |
| 05:27.25 | Xuerian | Yes, at-a-glance view of what changed in a given framexml file. |
| 05:27.27 | Torhal | Xuerian: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/beta |
| 05:27.31 | Torhal | Bwahahahahhaa |
| 05:27.43 | Xuerian | Torhal: Thanks, was only seeing p3lims which is out of date |
| 05:29.08 | Torhal | np |
| 05:29.31 | Torhal | Xuerian: Also, kd3 has a mailing list for diffs as they become available. |
| 05:29.42 | Xuerian | Nifty |
| 05:30.19 | Arrowmaster | yay JB CM maybe soon |
| 05:31.06 | Xuerian | Ahh, I forgot about foxlit's |
| 05:31.09 | Xuerian | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/15799 woo |
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| 05:49.50 | dafzor | hi there, does anyone know if blizzard added a replacement for GetPartyLeaderIndex()? |
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| 05:59.23 | Fisker | old Arrowmaster |
| 06:04.58 | Arrowmaster | somebodies trying to say that Nexus devices dont have microSD card slots because its insecure compared to the internal storage, i said no, they linked a google page essentially saying the samething i did but say it supported them..... |
| 06:06.01 | Fisker | basically they did it because they didn't like the issue of removable storage vs. apps having to handle it |
| 06:06.36 | Fisker | had Google Drive still not basically been google docs then that would've been a great argument |
| 06:08.11 | Fisker | finally biting the bullet too |
| 06:08.21 | Fisker | stupid chrome sync and its bugs |
| 06:11.11 | Torhal | syncs Fisker. |
| 06:11.43 | Fisker | gah |
| 06:11.46 | Fisker | still doesn't work |
| 06:11.49 | Fisker | probably the encryption |
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| 06:14.32 | Xuerian | actually pays attention the ability on his shaman, double-takes at totem changes, then alt-F4's the client. --NOTHING TO DO HERE-- |
| 06:15.05 | Torhal | ...? |
| 06:16.06 | Xuerian | I'm not going to bullshit; they took away my 100% afk healing with totem changes and the lazy part of me instantly took over. |
| 06:16.12 | dafzor | Arrowmaster, I belive they said something to the effects of not liking the FAT system or something in the latest google io, but i may just be remembering it wrong |
| 06:16.35 | Arrowmaster | they still use fat on internal storage |
| 06:16.48 | dafzor | not on the newer ones i belive |
| 06:17.02 | Arrowmaster | well i will find out when my nexus7 arrives |
| 06:17.18 | dafzor | still not available here :( |
| 06:17.37 | Arrowmaster | and google should badger MS to release any patents that might effect exFAT |
| 06:17.45 | dafzor | anyways they unified it on 4.0+ devices only so galaxy nexus and nexus 7 atm i belive |
| 06:18.00 | Arrowmaster | only got a nexus s |
| 06:18.50 | dafzor | well i'm stuck at 2.3 so I may be totally wrong too, guess you'll see on your nexus 7 |
| 06:19.52 | Arrowmaster | nexus s came with 2.3, and upgrading never reformats the /sdcard partition |
| 06:19.59 | Thunder_Child | i have a 4.0 nexus but i'll be damned if i know how to tell |
| 06:20.07 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: rooted? |
| 06:20.29 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i think so, but i can not remember |
| 06:20.40 | Arrowmaster | got a term emulator on it? |
| 06:20.45 | Arrowmaster | and busybox? |
| 06:20.47 | dafzor | or a rom manager |
| 06:21.05 | dafzor | superuser app :p |
| 06:21.07 | Arrowmaster | well busybox is how i know to check |
| 06:21.16 | Thunder_Child | i do have superuser |
| 06:21.18 | Arrowmaster | check to see what format the /sdcard is |
| 06:21.19 | Thunder_Child | had to go find it |
| 06:21.53 | Arrowmaster | if you have a term emulator and busybox (CM comes with both) just run mount | grep sdcard |
| 06:23.14 | dafzor | aren't you forgeting a su? |
| 06:23.30 | Arrowmaster | no you dont need su to run mount |
| 06:23.52 | Arrowmaster | you need su at some point to previously install busybox though |
| 06:24.39 | dafzor | uhum |
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| 06:26.32 | Thunder_Child | looks like it's mounted with fuse |
| 06:27.07 | Arrowmaster | there shouldnt be fuse on it |
| 06:29.19 | Arrowmaster | /dev/block/platform/s3c-sdhci.0/by-name/system /system ext4 ro,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 06:29.22 | Arrowmaster | /dev/block/platform/s3c-sdhci.0/by-name/userdata /data ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,barrier=1,nomblk_io_submit,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 06:29.25 | Arrowmaster | /dev/block/vold/179:3 /mnt/sdcard vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1015,fmask=0702,dmask=0702,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 06:29.29 | Arrowmaster | 3 main partitions on my nexus s |
| 06:30.06 | dafzor | a quick google seems to indicate that on galaxy nexus the sdcard is just a symlink to userdata |
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| 06:35.51 | dafzor | does anyone know if LibTourist is autogenerated or hand coded? |
| 06:36.03 | Arrowmaster | little of both |
| 06:36.52 | dafzor | it's the only thing in my UI still spewing errors due to lack of pandaria zone data :\ |
| 06:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | it still spews errors on live for me, haha |
| 06:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | when i go to the DMF |
| 07:08.38 | Arrowmaster | thats because you guys are paying me enough to keep it updated |
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| 07:29.19 | Fisker | pretty sure that the "sdcard" on gnexus is ext |
| 07:29.44 | Fisker | that was the half the point of actually making the change |
| 07:30.12 | Arrowmaster | every app can still read anything on it though |
| 07:30.33 | Fisker | yes? |
| 07:31.15 | Arrowmaster | so theres not a security difference because of the change |
| 07:31.37 | Fisker | no i know |
| 07:32.24 | dafzor | only 4.1 introduced the external storage read permission :\ |
| 07:32.41 | Fisker | only as a preliminary test |
| 07:32.46 | dafzor | kinda amazing it took them that long |
| 07:32.47 | Fisker | you have to enable it in debugging options |
| 07:34.33 | bluspacecow | *makes out with Fisker* |
| 07:34.40 | Fisker | good |
| 07:35.37 | Arrowmaster | still need in kernel exFAT support though |
| 07:37.04 | dafzor | doubt that will happen |
| 07:37.23 | Arrowmaster | it wont until somebody pressures microsoft |
| 07:37.51 | dafzor | or abolishes the patent system (a guy can dream) |
| 07:39.00 | Fisker | better hope noone patents a system to abolish the patent system then |
| 07:39.25 | dafzor | touché |
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| 07:54.33 | Torhal | patents Fisker. |
| 07:54.54 | bluspacecow | *patent trolls Fisker* |
| 07:55.01 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 07:56.13 | Fisker | never mad bluspacecow |
| 07:56.36 | bluspacecow | CalmAsShit!Fisker |
| 08:08.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaoLU6zKaws |
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| 09:23.18 | karl_w_w | so the windows installer service can't be started in safe mode |
| 09:23.50 | karl_w_w | so if u start in safe mode to uninstall something that is preventing you from starting up, you're SOL |
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| 10:18.41 | Elkano | karl_w_w, did you try stopping it from preventing you to start with eg Autoruns? |
| 10:21.15 | Fisker | pls karl_w_w |
| 10:21.18 | Fisker | l2computer |
| 10:37.16 | karl_w_w | i disabled all but windows services and started up normally, Elkano |
| 10:37.43 | Elkano | so, who was the culprit? |
| 10:38.11 | bluspacecow | gnomes. |
| 10:38.36 | Elkano | didn't see that one coming... checked too high... |
| 10:39.14 | karl_w_w | seems it was amd |
| 10:39.44 | karl_w_w | or at least, maybe amd + the lates avast, thing's arent clear |
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| 11:50.53 | Yoshimo | which raid tiers do have the token-system? |
| 12:06.30 | karl_w_w | Yoshimo: u mean tokens to get ur tier armor? everything since 4 |
| 12:06.48 | Yoshimo | ok |
| 12:06.54 | karl_w_w | tier 9 used a slightly different system iirc |
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| 13:36.27 | Stanzilla | I started talking english in a 5man heroic just for teh lulz and now some guy wants to report me :< |
| 13:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | For talking english? *blink* |
| 13:37.29 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 13:37.31 | Stanzilla | on a german realm |
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| 13:44.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:44.12 | nevcairiel | let him try! |
| 13:53.45 | grdn | sounds cool |
| 13:53.52 | grdn | I'd not report you! |
| 13:54.49 | mikma | i'd ban his ass |
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| 14:00.21 | Fisker | i'd ban you Stanzilla |
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| 14:07.08 | Stanzilla | ohnoes |
| 14:08.43 | Stanzilla | he wants to talk to my guild lead, too |
| 14:08.45 | Stanzilla | wtf :D |
| 14:08.59 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:10.12 | Yoshimo | people seem quite suspicious and nervous these days^^ |
| 14:10.43 | nevcairiel | maybe he thinks you just got hacked, mid-dungeon! |
| 14:12.20 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 14:12.30 | Stanzilla | oh XChat-WDK is HexChat now |
| 14:18.47 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 14:18.56 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
| 14:18.57 | Fisker | roll a tank named "Hitler" (Avoiding the naming filter of course) |
| 14:19.17 | Stanzilla | like Heatla? |
| 14:19.22 | Fisker | nah |
| 14:19.31 | Fisker | more like "Hïtler" or something like that |
| 14:19.41 | Fisker | then see if anyone suggest that they heal you in german |
| 14:20.43 | Stanzilla | that was funny like 6 years ago |
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| 14:21.46 | Fisker | it wasn't a joke Stanzilla |
| 14:22.16 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 14:22.48 | Kraps | hitler is not a joking matter |
| 14:22.55 | grdn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.55 | Unkle | My fellow Mac OS X users: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/confirmed-mountain-lion-sends-some-64-bit-macs-gently-into-that-good-night/ |
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| 15:42.58 | Torhal | Oh hawt. |
| 15:45.12 | Torhal | This helps, though: ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi |
| 15:45.38 | Torhal | goes to the NASA space center until who-knows-when. |
| 15:45.47 | Unkle | Yeah, if you want to find out if you're good to go for upgrading. :0 |
| 15:47.05 | Sintacks | I"m glad I has an awesome friend who bought me Wrath+Cata for my second account. I missed dualboxing after I hit 70... |
| 15:47.37 | nevcairiel | i tried dual boxing once, didnt really get the hang of it |
| 15:48.16 | Unkle | I tinker with it, but since I'm not interested in spending money on assistive software, it's mostly |
| 15:48.33 | Unkle | "Drag account 2 around on my mamoth and let it soak XP" |
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| 15:49.12 | Unkle | Comes in handy though to farm Karazhan for the mount drop of Attumen. |
| 15:49.35 | nevcairiel | i canceld the sub on my second account after it didnt really work out |
| 15:49.59 | nevcairiel | at least i got the 2-seat rocket for recruiting myself |
| 15:50.08 | Unkle | I have a second guild on that account just so I could buy a bank and store a bunch of goodies. |
| 15:50.40 | Unkle | And of course, I got an awesome guild name for it too, <Dry Wit and Sarcasm> |
| 15:52.25 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 15:56.32 | nevcairiel | so, anyone of you found some upcoming beta patch yet? I know you snoop around on the cdns and stuff for such things :p |
| 15:56.45 | nevcairiel | i want to continue playing, but current patch has the quest bugged i need to do! :P |
| 15:57.02 | Sintacks | lol Unkle. I only use keyclone |
| 15:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Dry Champagne and Toast |
| 15:57.09 | foxlit | why don't you just make an 85 premade monk and go from there? |
| 15:57.13 | Sintacks | and it's arrrright |
| 15:57.17 | Unkle | GC hinted at a build coming pretty soon with some patches for class mechanics, but no dates. |
| 15:57.26 | nevcairiel | i heard this week |
| 15:57.53 | Sintacks | GC is a liar |
| 15:58.12 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i don't like being thrown into a new class with all its bells and whistles, its much more educating to start it slowly |
| 15:58.14 | Unkle | Now that's pretty harsh. |
| 15:59.04 | foxlit | meh, I'm sure you could figure it out as you go. |
| 16:00.09 | foxlit | Could probably fake it if you wanted to, as well -- go kill some level 83 mobs while limiting skill selection based on level availability. |
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| 16:00.32 | Sintacks | so.. who think D3 would have done better if it hadn't been release yet, since it wasn't done (char profiles, PvP) |
| 16:01.33 | nevcairiel | i dont care for pvp, and what do char profiles change on gameplay exactly? :p |
| 16:01.48 | Sintacks | nothing... but it's part of the game |
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| 16:01.56 | Sintacks | and i've been wanting it since release. |
| 16:01.59 | karl_w_w | nobody does |
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| 16:02.12 | nevcairiel | you wanting something doesnt make it part of the game, tho :P |
| 16:02.13 | Sintacks | so, who thinks karl_w_w is an ass |
| 16:02.13 | Sintacks | ? |
| 16:02.27 | karl_w_w | Adys does |
| 16:02.34 | karl_w_w | but that doesn't make me wrong |
| 16:02.35 | Sintacks | lol |
| 16:02.45 | Sintacks | so Adys murdered everyone... |
| 16:02.50 | Sintacks | so... we're all dead/ |
| 16:02.58 | Sintacks | didn't think there would be IRC in hell |
| 16:04.10 | Unkle | Son, IRC is Hell. |
| 16:12.24 | Sintacks | o.. it's 7-11.. free slurpee day |
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| 16:21.49 | Dagmar | Some of us don't have 7-11's you insensitive clod! |
| 16:23.48 | Kraps | hey blue talking about affixes |
| 16:23.59 | Kraps | http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/229373-follow-up-points/ |
| 16:28.23 | Kraps | Which doctors, Bash. |
| 16:28.25 | Kraps | Those doctors! |
| 16:28.30 | Kraps | *snerk* |
| 16:30.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8x-EafHMnvk |
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| 16:31.37 | karl_w_w | this ancient guardian familiar is amazing |
| 16:33.20 | Kraps | http://hellyeahcomics.com/at-the-gates/ |
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| 17:03.29 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/6693940 |
| 17:04.28 | pompy | they'll go there but not host their own blizzcon!? boooo |
| 17:05.09 | nevcairiel | because having a small booth on another convention is equal effort then hosting your own damn convention =p |
| 17:05.26 | nevcairiel | the main reason there is no blizzcon, because mop release falls directly into its timeframe! |
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| 17:07.21 | pompy | theyve held blizzcon in august the past years |
| 17:07.24 | nilyaK | aka never? |
| 17:07.25 | pompy | they should have done it this year |
| 17:07.25 | pompy | ! |
| 17:07.25 | nilyaK | :P |
| 17:07.32 | pompy | ? |
| 17:07.45 | pompy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlizzCon#Past_BlizzCon_editions |
| 17:07.47 | pompy | 2007 and 2009 |
| 17:08.23 | nevcairiel | "the past years" kinda implies it was at least more common then not :p |
| 17:08.28 | nilyaK | I was refering jokingly to the timeline for MoP release and this year's Blizzcon as both not happening. |
| 17:08.43 | pompy | ;) |
| 17:08.59 | nevcairiel | I think october is a sensible guess for mop |
| 17:09.01 | pompy | be interesting if they gho for a halloween release |
| 17:09.29 | pompy | few top games are being released on halloween |
| 17:09.39 | nevcairiel | just from past experience on length of the beta cycle and whatnot |
| 17:10.02 | pompy | yeah 3 months after addons enabl;ed |
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| 17:30.24 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 17:30.31 | bluspacecow | fiskery fisker! |
| 17:32.14 | karl_w_w | frozen vortex nightmarish shielding fallen angels |
| 17:32.20 | karl_w_w | kill me Fisker |
| 17:32.27 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 17:35.17 | karl_w_w | 25 s revive wait |
| 17:35.52 | Dagmar | You left out 'made of rabies' |
| 17:36.38 | bluspacecow | and made of spiders |
| 17:37.09 | karl_w_w | between the nightmarish and the vortex and the stupid charge thing they do im pretty much unable to do anything |
| 17:38.10 | Arrowmaster | hmm im about to let my neighbor use my wireless, trying to figure out how i can remote into his computer to make sure its patched and updated without having to install anything on it |
| 17:38.29 | Arrowmaster | can use normal rdp because that only works when a password is set on the account |
| 17:38.39 | Kodiack | Hey, bluspacecow! hai2u |
| 17:38.46 | bluspacecow | :D |
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| 17:41.28 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: rdp requires a password? since when? |
| 17:41.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you got any clue how to use the built in windows remote assistance tool with linux |
| 17:41.46 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: every time ive ever used it it has |
| 17:41.50 | Dagmar | Fire up Win7 under VirtualBox |
| 17:42.07 | Arrowmaster | i may just do that, i have a win xp vm |
| 17:42.13 | Dagmar | I don't thinl there's an open-source client for it |
| 17:42.18 | nilyaK | doesn't the administrator account require you to set a password? |
| 17:42.46 | Arrowmaster | nilyaK: i dont think so |
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| 17:43.16 | Dagmar | There are RDP clients available for Linux at least |
| 17:43.32 | Dagmar | Not suprisingly, they're less painful than doing RDP on Windows |
| 17:43.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i rdp into my dads computer to fix shit all the time |
| 17:44.00 | Arrowmaster | but i rdp into the admin account with a password on it |
| 17:45.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.howtogeek.com/?post_type=post&p=3276 |
| 17:51.57 | Arrowmaster | this is going to be fun, ive got the tool pulled up in my XP vm to send a remote assistance request to a networked computer, so ill go over there and attach the new wireless nic and get it on the network then using my phone ill VNC into my desktop to use the VM to RDP into the other computer so i can accept the request while im over there |
| 17:57.01 | Unkle | And while you're at it, you'll ship parts to idaho to build an automatic rice harvester to be used in china. |
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| 18:14.14 | mckenziemc | hey Cairenn |
| 18:14.22 | Cairenn | hi mckenziemc |
| 18:15.56 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9WUEtaH5A |
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| 18:18.09 | Lopeppeppy | Cannoli for lunch. I love stress!!! :) |
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| 18:19.39 | bluspacecow | whats cannoli |
| 18:20.06 | mckenziemc | spacecow guts |
| 18:20.11 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 18:20.14 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god. It is a delicate sweet treat of Italian (?) origins. Um... cookie like exterior, cream cheese and chocolate chip sweet filling (but not frosting) |
| 18:22.53 | bluspacecow | *salivates* |
| 18:23.03 | bluspacecow | send me one ? |
| 18:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | They don't ship well, but I'll bring one when I visit. |
| 18:23.34 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 18:26.29 | karl_w_w | but not frosting? what a tragedy |
| 18:26.41 | karl_w_w | it obviously needed more stuff |
| 18:27.35 | bluspacecow | would it be sacrilege to add frosting ? |
| 18:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Very. |
| 18:27.55 | bluspacecow | okays |
| 18:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gwW7ajw0Z4k/Tpc_oxtiTRI/AAAAAAAADo8/GoFprkW5eO4/s640/cannoli.jpg |
| 18:30.33 | Dagmar | What I find amusing is that WP speculates it was originally a fertility symbol |
| 18:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | Suck the filling out of one and tell me what you think, Dagmar. |
| 18:31.51 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 18:31.56 | Unkle | Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
| 18:32.08 | bluspacecow | we have something similar called brandy snaps |
| 18:32.20 | bluspacecow | but they're harder with a different filling |
| 18:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy yummy stuff, let me tell ya. |
| 18:40.40 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: harder? what kind of brandy snaps you been eating |
| 18:40.59 | bluspacecow | idunnolol |
| 18:41.06 | bluspacecow | cheap ones from the ware whare |
| 18:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cheap brandy is often "hard" |
| 18:46.45 | karl_w_w | http://www.mykitchentable.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Brandy_Snaps.jpg |
| 18:46.57 | grdn | mhhh |
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| 18:52.44 | mckenziemc | ~wiki brandy snaps |
| 18:52.59 | mckenziemc | sigh infobox |
| 18:53.17 | mckenziemc | "They are edible, tubular, brittle, sweet, baked casings that are typically 10 cm long and 2 cm in diameter." |
| 18:56.37 | bluspacecow | imma go sleep for a whiles |
| 19:24.13 | Arrowmaster | http://youtu.be/ZcuYjDR2tSg |
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| 19:50.00 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://i.imgur.com/HmZow.jpg |
| 19:50.25 | Arrowmaster | thats what they get for powering their electronic billboards with windows |
| 19:51.45 | karl_w_w | somehow I don't think windows is to blame |
| 19:52.07 | karl_w_w | unless "allows programs to run" is something to be blamed for |
| 19:52.19 | Dagmar | I think Windows is to blame. |
| 19:52.23 | Dagmar | It's a rule. |
| 19:52.29 | Arrowmaster | they are using a very general purpose OS for a very specific task |
| 19:52.50 | Dagmar | Just to offset the millions of propganda dollars, anything remotely related to Windows being wrong is automatically Windows' fault. |
| 19:53.21 | Arrowmaster | if Shirik was here he would tell us all the embedded systems they could have used |
| 19:53.25 | Dagmar | At some point I'm going to have to look further into what makes the signs around here tick |
| 19:53.39 | Dagmar | In general, not just the one I've already climed up |
| 19:53.48 | mckenziemc | yes karl_w_w, that's Windows' fault |
| 19:54.13 | Dagmar | With my luck, it would be a dialup interface |
| 19:54.46 | Arrowmaster | one of the banks i worked at still had a dialup modem attached to the router |
| 19:55.17 | Dagmar | Yeah they used to have one wedged into a rack in the datacenter here. |
| 19:55.19 | Arrowmaster | one of the services had to use it because its considered more secure than a normal internet connection |
| 19:55.32 | Dagmar | Then I pointed out to them that it was connected to teh PBX system which was also reliant on the IP network |
| 19:56.18 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think analog modems worked with pbx systems |
| 19:56.32 | Dagmar | THey do when the connection is wired like a house line |
| 19:58.22 | Dagmar | I sort of miss being able to wardial |
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| 20:11.12 | Unkle | Dear gods in heaven, so many junk "tool bar" apps out there. |
| 20:12.32 | zenzelezz | stuff like the Ask toolbar? |
| 20:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ask, Google, Bing, Amazon... so many junk bars, too little time. |
| 20:13.29 | zenzelezz | that one (Ask) infuriates me; not so much because it's an optional install from every second download, but because it had some interesting conflict with IE8+XP where it would (!) delete boot.ini |
| 20:13.35 | zenzelezz | directly or indirectly, not sure |
| 20:13.53 | Primer | people use IE? |
| 20:14.04 | zenzelezz | not really, but I still update it |
| 20:15.17 | zenzelezz | now I do believe it wasn't a direct DeleteFile()-type action, but it must have been doing something pretty weird to cause that |
| 20:15.22 | Dagmar | A whole fifteen percent of the population! |
| 20:16.07 | zenzelezz | a former colleague of mine made his parents use Firefox on linux by installing Ubuntu and replacing the Firefox icon with the IE icon |
| 20:16.15 | zenzelezz | since they did nothing else than surf, they never noticed anything |
| 20:16.24 | Amarande | IE: The browser that is most used for downloading a different browser |
| 20:16.30 | zenzelezz | so true |
| 20:17.02 | zenzelezz | "I don't always download browsers without IE, but when I do, I do it through links" |
| 20:17.27 | zenzelezz | which is arguably still a browser |
| 20:17.39 | Dagmar | s/links/lynx/ |
| 20:20.59 | Gnarfoz | both exist. |
| 20:21.13 | zenzelezz | I think he's suggesting lynx is more hardcore |
| 20:21.58 | zenzelezz | suppose you could do a series of telnet and shell redirection |
| 20:24.25 | Dagmar | lynx is more likely to give newbs migraines |
| 20:24.44 | Dagmar | THey do not understand that at one point, teh interwebs were almost entirely text |
| 20:27.04 | karl_w_w | <Primer> people use IE? <- sure they do, how do you think that html gets rendered in the blizz launcher? |
| 20:27.44 | Primer | poorly? |
| 20:27.47 | zenzelezz | didn't they replace that with webkit? |
| 20:28.10 | Arrowmaster | not sure since it still doesnt work well in wine |
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| 20:29.05 | karl_w_w | nope zenzelezz |
| 20:29.11 | karl_w_w | just right click and compare to ie |
| 20:29.11 | zenzelezz | wonder if you could spy on which interfaces it creates without setting off warden |
| 20:29.55 | karl_w_w | you can even add the launcher to favourites and then open it in ie :P |
| 20:30.13 | karl_w_w | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/2.0/CT/index.xml?version=4.3.4.15595&locale=en-US&type=CT |
| 20:39.45 | Primer | warden, because you're in prison? |
| 20:39.53 | Primer | i.e. using windows? :) |
| 20:39.58 | Primer | runs |
| 20:41.21 | Primer | I guess I can't grandstand...I use windows at home...for gaming... |
| 20:41.45 | Primer | To this day I still don't have any AV or anti-malware or authenticator |
| 20:41.54 | Primer | or even have the firewall turned on |
| 20:42.17 | karl_w_w | http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/531586_492361704126621_1115719064_n.jpg |
| 20:43.43 | karl_w_w | ^just another one of the fruits of like george takei |
| 20:55.17 | Primer | I know he's gay, but you don't have to call him a fruit |
| 20:55.30 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 20:55.31 | Primer | I think that's still considered derogatory |
| 20:58.14 | nilyaK | it's considered juicy sweet, like fishes. |
| 21:00.30 | nevcairiel | so, did we ever get a new API in the beta or otherwise to get the zone names, given their id? :d |
| 21:00.58 | Amarande | actually, there's been a panel lately at Dragon Con called "why you shouldn't use an antivirus" |
| 21:01.17 | nilyaK | false sense of security? :P |
| 21:02.32 | nilyaK | afk IRL stuff. |
| 21:02.36 | nilyaK | like bus rides. |
| 21:02.41 | Amarande | heh, well, there's the idea that nothing's really secure |
| 21:03.00 | Amarande | To install SecureOS on a computer, boot a Linux disc and as root execute dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 21:03.41 | Amarande | Security is also improved by keeping all your information in WOM. |
| 21:04.03 | Amarande | I've never attended the panel, so I'm not sure what their advice really is, heh |
| 21:04.08 | nilyaK | *nods* |
| 21:04.12 | Amarande | and this year will be my last trip to Dragon Con |
| 21:04.18 | nilyaK | okay back in a few hours! take care all! |
| 21:04.29 | Dagmar | It's good, practical advice |
| 21:04.40 | Primer | Dragon con == black hat? |
| 21:04.53 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the people doing that track are sort of people of my people |
| 21:05.07 | Primer | Dagmar: play us a song of your people |
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| 21:06.36 | Dagmar | turns up some Nine Inch Nails |
| 21:14.56 | Amarande | Primer: Dragon Con is the huge sci-fi and fantasy based (with some more general geek stuff now too, like computers/robots/etc.) convention in Atlanta every Labour Day weekend |
| 21:15.09 | Amarande | Actually a chief reason I am no longer going after this year was it got *too* huge |
| 21:15.36 | Amarande | The hotels are practically bursting at the girders with demand now, and even for 2012 it felt like winning the lotto when I got up the morning last October that the Marriott rooms were sold and managed to get a room for this year |
| 21:16.03 | Amarande | The Marriott sells out in 20 minutes or so now, when it opens rooms for the next year's Con. |
| 21:16.06 | Jamash | I just cleaned some malware off my sister's computer |
| 21:16.21 | Amarande | I'm not even sure BLIZZCON tickets sell out that fast. |
| 21:16.41 | Amarande | (Although in the case of D*Con, it's not the tickets - which there is no fixed cap on sales of - that are the issue, it's managing to get a hotel room) |
| 21:16.44 | Jamash | she had malwarebytes and spybot but no full-time protection |
| 21:17.21 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: blizzcon tickets sell out in seconds |
| 21:17.30 | Arrowmaster | less than 5 |
| 21:17.51 | Amarande | heh Arrow, actually I think the Marriott rooms would have kept pace with that if the servers could handle it |
| 21:18.22 | Amarande | the only reason it even took 20 minutes for them to sell out is probably because so many attempts to buy tickets timed out on people due to the server load |
| 21:18.29 | Arrowmaster | last year blizzard did well at having the servers keep up and they sold out in about 1 second |
| 21:18.33 | Amarande | er, to buy rooms |
| 21:19.34 | Amarande | if Passkey was actually able to honour everyone trying to book a room instead of having lag and timeouts, I wouldn't be surprised if D*Con Marriott rooms would sell out in a minute or less |
| 21:20.02 | karl_w_w | <nevcairiel> so, did we ever get a new API in the beta or otherwise to get the zone names, given their id? :d <- there's already a way |
| 21:20.19 | Unkle | I haven't been to DragonCon since the early 90s. Even then getting a room was a major hassle. |
| 21:20.44 | Amarande | Arrow: does it at least hold your ticket in reserve while you're frantically keying in your payment info, or do only people with names like Jim Jones who live on numbered streets in a city with a short abbreviation like LA or NY manage to get their orders in? :) |
| 21:21.47 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: for blizzcon you get put in a queue based on the order you loaded the page after they went live, when it gets to your point in the queue if there are tickets left you have 15 minutes to pay for them |
| 21:22.07 | Arrowmaster | last year my credit card got declined and i had to get out my debit card |
| 21:22.12 | Dagmar | Browser autocomplete. :) |
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| 21:22.26 | Amarande | Ah, that's better than Passkey and D*Con rooms then |
| 21:22.38 | Amarande | Passkey doesn't appear to reserve a room at all until payment information is complete |
| 21:22.41 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 21:23.07 | Amarande | Which means people would literally get "sorry but all of those rooms have already been sold" messages right as they clicked "complete reservation" after typing in their card info |
| 21:23.24 | Amarande | as they were sold to someone with a shorter name/luckier connection speed/faster typing |
| 21:24.47 | Amarande | And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other issues people reported on LJ and the like were due to database transaction collisions in the mad rush |
| 21:25.28 | Amarande | Specifically people would reserve a room and be told they had all three, four, or five nights of D*Con (Con officially goes Fri-Mon, but a lot of people either arrive Thursday or leave Tuesday or both) when they initially reserved |
| 21:26.12 | Amarande | but then when going to edit the reservation later on, such as to change the number or name of other guests in the room or the like, be told that they only actually had some of the nights reserved (and if they called to try to fix it would be charged $150 a night more for the "extra" nights than they were originally told ...) |
| 21:27.21 | Amarande | I wonder if database collisions perhaps occurred as the last rooms were trying to be booked, through more people trying to book rooms than were available, and the trx's trying to occur simultaneously so the interface software for all the customers thought there was a room available? |
| 21:27.28 | Amarande | *is not the best with SQL, mind you* |
| 21:27.51 | Dagmar | It's more magical than that |
| 21:28.03 | Dagmar | Hotel reservation policies are not as straightfoward as they would have you believe |
| 21:29.23 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: http://paste2.org/p/2070696 |
| 21:30.05 | Amarande | I am glad mine went through without a hitch, and also this will be my last trip to D*Con because I don't need the agita, and it's getting rather too expensive these days. :) |
| 21:30.59 | Amarande | Arrow, do Blizzcon tickets come with any sort of hotel room guarantees or are those separate? |
| 21:31.09 | Arrowmaster | separate |
| 21:31.16 | Amarande | It does kind of sound like they limit the number of tickets probably in some way that has to do with the amount of hotel space available, though |
| 21:31.24 | Arrowmaster | since there are over a dozen hotels in walking distance |
| 21:31.47 | Arrowmaster | no they limit the tickets because of fire code in the convention hall |
| 21:32.06 | Amarande | Yeah, D*Con has limits on how many people can be in a panel room at a time, but none on how many overall convention tickets can be sold |
| 21:32.24 | Arrowmaster | blizzcon is one giant room |
| 21:32.29 | Amarande | ah. |
| 21:32.46 | Amarande | yup. Dragon Con uses pretty much all the meeting rooms in all the host hotels |
| 21:33.01 | Amarande | which they're up to five of as of this year |
| 21:33.15 | Amarande | when I first went, it was just Hyatt, Marriott, and Hilton, now they have the Sheraton and Westin |
| 21:33.20 | Arrowmaster | so they have a firecode limit for the main hall, there are smaller meeting rooms in other parts of the building but they only get used for small things |
| 21:33.35 | Amarande | Even the overflow hotels nearby sold out with dizzying rapidity for 2012's show |
| 21:33.39 | Dagmar | Yeha I liked it when the Marriott wasn't part of that |
| 21:33.48 | Amarande | Dagmar, you don't like the Marriott? |
| 21:34.02 | Dagmar | You could go to Dragon*Con and when you got tired you could "sneak" across the street to QuietLandia |
| 21:34.28 | Amarande | I like how the Marriott is centrally located and is the hotel with the dealer halls so I don't have to traipse through the food court with my loot like when I was in the Hyatt |
| 21:34.58 | Amarande | however, it seems everyone else has realised this too :| |
| 21:35.04 | Amarande | since the Marriott is now the crowded elevator hell hotel too |
| 21:35.15 | Dagmar | The best part was that being across the street, it was virtually impossible to get lost on the way there. |
| 21:35.21 | Amarande | in fact, the elevators at the Marriott have started to even get worse than the ones at the Hyatt which used to be legendary |
| 21:36.22 | Amarande | It probably doesn't help the way the sizes and weight limits are, either. |
| 21:36.54 | Amarande | At the Hyatt, it was reasonably common for the elevator weight limit to max out, at which point it would stop opening on floors that requested an elevator and go only to floors that people *in* the elevator wanted to go to until it was under the limit |
| 21:37.36 | Amarande | I presume that Marriott elevators have the same behaviour (it's presumably a standard hotel elevator thing), but it's also virtually impossible to max out the weight limit of a Marriott elevator |
| 21:38.02 | Amarande | so not only are there the same elevator weights, but you know that elevator will be having to stop on every floor so that people can stop and just wave sorry to everyone waiting |
| 21:38.17 | Amarande | er, same elevator waits |
| 21:38.28 | Dagmar | Solution: Carry twinkies to throw out the door at any stop after a morbidly obese person gets on |
| 21:38.52 | Amarande | At the Marriott it's something like a 3500 lb cap for an elevator that I've seen fit maybe ... I want to say about 13 or so people when it's jam packed |
| 21:38.55 | Dagmar | Also, pro-tip: Shell out large dollars on your suite and you get a special elevator card |
| 21:39.15 | Unkle | Dagmar: They're ponderous and slow. Not likely to react quickly enough. |
| 21:39.20 | Amarande | Maybe 15 or so people |
| 21:39.21 | Dagmar | ...one that lets you tell any elevator to come straight to the floor you're on, and take you straight to the floor you're staying in with no stops. |
| 21:39.45 | Dagmar | At first I thought it was just karma being incredibly weird. |
| 21:39.48 | Amarande | which means that to max out the elevator, 15 people would need to weigh at least 233 lb or so average |
| 21:40.04 | Amarande | and if you're actually *fitting* 15 people in a Marriott-sized elevator, chances are they *don't* all weigh that much on average or they wouldn't have fit. |
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| 21:40.22 | Dagmar | There I am, on an elevator with four people dosed out of their minds, heading up to my room to get beverages and collect our wits. Elevator goes the _wrong way_. Doors open, Timothy Leary gets in. |
| 21:40.35 | Dagmar | Elevator continues going the wrong way... |
| 21:40.44 | Unkle | Also dosed out of his mind… |
| 21:40.45 | Dagmar | We're all tryin *real* hard to not just freak the hell out |
| 21:40.50 | Dagmar | No, he was sober. |
| 21:41.01 | Dagmar | I think my friends' pupils tipped him off. |
| 21:41.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: I don't think the expensive card would help unless there's a special elevator dedicated to people only with it, which as far as I've seen, there isn't |
| 21:41.05 | Unkle | I met him at DragonCon actually. |
| 21:41.21 | Amarande | The closest to "special elevators" I've seen is that the Marriott has two elevators that only serve 42F thru 47F |
| 21:41.22 | Dagmar | Some girl dressed as a druid got off the elevator with him |
| 21:41.41 | Dagmar | We were so tunnel-visioned over the fact that we were tripping in an elevator with Timothy Leary no one even saw her get on |
| 21:42.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you get the VIP suite at the Hyatt you get a magic card to make the elevator prioritize you |
| 21:42.19 | Amarande | (And in general, the higher you are in the Marriott, the fewer floors your elevator block contains, as they're 1-17, 18-30, 31-41, 42-47) |
| 21:43.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not as much call lfor elevators to go to the top as to the middle |
| 21:43.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: that doesn't help if all the elevators are physically full :) |
| 21:43.31 | Amarande | and as far as I've seen, the only time staff makes people get out of the elevator to let others in is if a handicapped person wants in |
| 21:43.33 | Dagmar | Not even waiting will help then, but at least you don't have to wait |
| 21:44.11 | Dagmar | next time I go down there I'll consider it a win if I just don't do something terrifically weird in public, again |
| 21:44.21 | Arrowmaster | but if you keep using the card everybody else will be so annoyed by the elevator constantly coming back to the floor you are on instead of going to their floor that they will let you on |
| 21:44.23 | Amarande | I *do* know that if you have (or know someone with) Regency Club access on their card, you can go up the International Tower elevators and cross over at 22F there. :) |
| 21:44.43 | Dagmar | Casually jumping off the second floor balcony down to the fountain area, dressed goth as hell, was not very subtle |
| 21:45.28 | karl_w_w | !api UnitDebuff |
| 21:45.28 | lua_bot | UnitDebuff: Returns information about a debuff on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDebuff) |
| 21:45.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: are you quite sure you're not banned for life after that :) |
| 21:46.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Very sure. I did it in full view of the security guards. |
| 21:46.24 | Dagmar | I was trying to tell them something, and it was crowded. |
| 21:46.39 | Dagmar | I figure the only reason I didn't get chewed out was how casually I did it, and some misdirection was also involved. |
| 21:46.50 | Dagmar | From where they were, they could see me claw grip the outside of the ledge |
| 21:47.08 | Dagmar | So... 20 foot drop, and I land like I'd only done about five. |
| 21:47.17 | Amarande | Another nice thing about the Marriott is you can actually go to the pool. |
| 21:47.20 | Dagmar | er they could *not* see me |
| 21:47.33 | Amarande | The Hyatt pool has been closed throughout D*Con for the last several years, as a policy matter. |
| 21:47.36 | Dagmar | I didn't acutally start falling until I was pretty much dangling by one hand |
| 21:47.52 | Amarande | From what I am told about it it had something to do with the Robot Wars track. |
| 21:48.04 | Dagmar | Yes. robots in the pool == bad |
| 21:48.05 | xyphoid | my favourite hotel pool on our last trip was the one with the waterslide through the shark tank |
| 21:48.38 | Amarande | Yup. The tale I heard was that someone lost a robot battle and accused his opponent of cheating, which accusation included shoving the alleged offender, together with his robot, into the Hyatt pool. |
| 21:48.54 | Dagmar | If I had been tripping like mad I would have never tried that drop in front of so many witnesses |
| 21:49.03 | Dagmar | damnit ... s/had/hadn't/ |
| 21:49.43 | Dagmar | Security thought someone had dropped something off the balcony, but I'd been hanging out there and saw a guy plant a seltzer bomb |
| 21:50.17 | Dagmar | Security was getting ready to freak the hell out over it, and it was too crowded to make it to the elevator and back before they'd overreacted. |
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| 21:50.43 | Dagmar | So... The LSD fairy looked out through my eyes and said "Ohh... This is easy... Just grab that on the way down." |
| 21:50.59 | Amarande | Yeah, they probably keep a really good eye out for things getting dropped off the balcony after another tale that I heard |
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| 21:51.13 | Amarande | Indeed, said tale makes me think I might count myself lucky to have made it home from my first D*Con in one piece. |
| 21:51.45 | Dagmar | Having a girl not so slyly feed me a fifth of vodka over the course of a three hour period, and stubbornly refusing to become visibly drunk was another not-so-subtle thing |
| 21:51.55 | Amarande | Apparently, one night as I was wandering the lower floors of the Hyatt late at night, someone threw one of the potted plants on 11F of the Hyatt into the lobby. |
| 21:52.09 | Dagmar | Geeez that's dangerous |
| 21:52.12 | Amarande | Yeah. I don't think we'd be having this conversation right now if I had happened to be in the lobby at the impact point. |
| 21:52.45 | Amarande | I think at the time I was down on B3 watching some folks play one or other series-themed Mafia game and having a Captain |
| 21:53.02 | Amarande | But I could *just* as easily have had the ill luck to be in the lobby at that moment, sooo .... |
| 21:53.41 | Arrowmaster | blizzcon seems to tame in comparison |
| 21:53.46 | Arrowmaster | s/to/so/ |
| 21:53.58 | Dagmar | At Blizzcon, I doubt people are feeling that much pressure to let out their inner freak |
| 21:54.33 | Dagmar | I prefer to keep a low profile at large events, but people at Dragon*Con are always acting so whacked out I have no idea what the fuck "acceptable/normal behaviour" is supposed to be |
| 21:55.01 | Amarande | Heh, someone will probably recognise you as "that guy" |
| 21:55.07 | Dagmar | I sure as hell hope not |
| 21:55.26 | Amarande | It doesn't take much to get recognised at a future Con for doing something unusual. At '09 Con some folks recognised me as the guy who had ordered filet mignon at the Avanzare the year before. |
| 21:55.30 | Dagmar | I do know one of my friends from high school went the next year, and when he came back his first words were "WHAT DID YOU DO?" |
| 21:56.02 | Dagmar | ...because four different people he knew apparently reacted along the lines of "Oh my god, you know Dagmar?!?! Is he coming this year??" |
| 21:56.12 | Dagmar | I made a splash in a lot of places that weekend. |
| 21:56.14 | Amarande | I guess not many people buy filet mignon at the Avanzare at D*Con, heh |
| 21:57.12 | Dagmar | I'm not exactly proud to say I did enough intoxicants for any given five or six people without being particularly effected, but that was only part of it |
| 21:58.45 | Amarande | Speaking of intoxicants, Gibney's is the only bar I've ever been to that can actually mix me my favourite mixed shot. |
| 21:59.26 | Dagmar | I would like to maybe get rip-stumbling drunk sometime |
| 21:59.35 | Dagmar | it takes a crapload of booze for me |
| 21:59.37 | Amarande | It's called balefire. It's made with Goldschlager and Rumple Minze in equal parts. |
| 21:59.49 | karl_w_w | does VARIABLES_LOADED fire on ui reload? |
| 22:00.16 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: did you hear about Torhal and me at the curse party last year? |
| 22:00.23 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 22:00.54 | Arrowmaster | we were constantly in line for drinks and doing everything we could to cheat |
| 22:01.08 | Dagmar | You managed to get drunk? :) |
| 22:01.13 | Arrowmaster | lots of line cutting |
| 22:01.39 | Dagmar | I mainly drank PGA in college, because my experiments in mixology kept getting heisted |
| 22:01.46 | Arrowmaster | i was hungover most of the way into the next day |
| 22:01.48 | Dagmar | No one steals your "water" more than once, ever. |
| 22:01.58 | znf | How do I escape utf-8 chars in /script ? |
| 22:02.05 | Dagmar | ...and I have the alcohol tolerance of a monster. |
| 22:04.07 | Amarande | Or a dwarf? |
| 22:04.20 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 22:04.25 | Amarande | Heh, I wonder what you'd have to mix to make a drink that you could call "Authentic Dwarven Spirits" |
| 22:04.33 | Amarande | I'm imagining 151 would be involved, at the very least. |
| 22:04.56 | Dagmar | So like the _other_ serious Failure To Maintain Normalcy thing was that there was a girl *trying* to get me drunk for her own machinations |
| 22:05.23 | Dagmar | I was dancing in the rave, and she was one of the people I'd given the acid to the night before. I was on some more of it |
| 22:05.43 | Dagmar | I'd come out about every 20-30 minutes, she'd offer me some of her drink, which was originally screwdriver |
| 22:06.11 | Dagmar | After about an hour and a half of that she came into the ballroom and was just walking up and handing me the cup. I drank. |
| 22:06.31 | Dagmar | It took me awhile to notice that her bottle was empty, and the orange juice was more or less washed out |
| 22:06.46 | Dagmar | I wasn't slurring or wobbling in the least. |
| 22:07.15 | Dagmar | I kinda hold that it's a bad idea to do that in public, because other people might try to keep up, and they'll wind up in the hospital |
| 22:08.37 | Dagmar | That's happened twice before, actually. |
| 22:09.00 | Dagmar | Not to me, to people thinking just because the skinny guy can have four irish car bombs in a row that they can, too |
| 22:11.57 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'd kill for your alcohol tolerance. I can drink like . . . two beers. |
| 22:14.09 | Dagmar | It's not exactly a good thing. |
| 22:14.37 | ZorbaTHut | it sounds like a good thing to me. I think alcohol is delicious and I hate being drunk |
| 22:14.37 | Dagmar | What they don't tell you about taking your friends to the hospital with alcohol poisoning is that med-techs are *really* judgemental and whiny about it |
| 22:14.51 | ZorbaTHut | if I had much higher tolerance I could drink *three* beers sometimes! |
| 22:15.26 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:15.30 | Dagmar | This'll sound crazy, but you'll find it remarkably easier if you just say, make yourself about a half-glass of screwdriver or something to drink before you go to bed each night |
| 22:15.41 | Dagmar | You *can* actually up your tolerance through passive "training" like that |
| 22:15.56 | Dagmar | kind of standard procedure for me for the week before cons where I'll be expected to drink socially |
| 22:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, I'm the world's worst lightweight - drinking one beer leaves me noticably less capable the next day. I just don't have the time to train my tolerance up |
| 22:16.07 | ZorbaTHut | I got stuff to do :/ |
| 22:16.16 | Dagmar | You went to college, right? |
| 22:16.29 | Dagmar | You've learned the important thing... being able to go to work while hung over. |
| 22:16.48 | ZorbaTHut | nah, the problem is that I really like what I do for work. If I'm hung over, I'm doing a worse job. That's actually a real problem for me. |
| 22:17.01 | ZorbaTHut | Hell, even if I'm not hung over, I'm doing a worse job. |
| 22:17.01 | Dagmar | Ah... I just get super-careful |
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| 22:18.26 | Dagmar | You get hung over whether or not you reached a state of utter helplessness or not. |
| 22:18.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's just not a sacrifice I want to make :/ |
| 22:18.49 | Dagmar | Only dietary tricks can help avoid a hangover |
| 22:19.06 | Dagmar | You might want to look into that. Salts, starches, etc. |
| 22:19.15 | Dagmar | ...and the all-important proactive aspirin. |
| 22:19.18 | ZorbaTHut | I want to drink beer, it's just not worth losing several hours of productivity. |
| 22:19.41 | ZorbaTHut | See, at that point, I'm also breaking ketosis even worse, and I'd rather lose weight than drink beer ;) sadly my life is *really* not conducive to beer right now. |
| 22:19.51 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 22:19.55 | Amarande | Water. One of the most important things when drinking is to get enough water. |
| 22:20.02 | Dagmar | Aye |
| 22:20.07 | Amarande | Indeed, apparently the primary cause of hangovers is dehydration. |
| 22:20.16 | Dagmar | You also needs it to break the alcohol down |
| 22:20.16 | Amarande | (You can actually get one from too much caffeinated soda, and for the same reason.) |
| 22:20.33 | Dagmar | Don't you dare say a word against my precious caffiene |
| 22:21.28 | Dagmar | If it tells you anything about my abnormal biochemistry... I actually get more sober drinking vodka & Red Bull |
| 22:21.42 | Dagmar | ...and Red Bull is fairly useless for that |
| 22:21.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I drink water like a fish, and more so when I'm drinking alcohol |
| 22:25.41 | Amarande | yuck. I've always wondered why people adulterate perfectly good liquor with something nasty like Red Bull |
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| 22:38.25 | Unkle | Red Bull tastes like liquid Pixie Stix. |
| 22:38.34 | Unkle | Ergo, nastry. |
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| 22:52.19 | Amarande | Sooo ... with the cross-character mounts thing. Do mounts that needed a specific tier in Riding to learn still require that in order to use on other characters? |
| 22:52.31 | Amarande | Like can you ride a netherwing drake on the ground at 20 or do you still need to be 70 and buy artisan flying first? |
| 22:53.52 | Primer | Didn't the eliminate that long ago with the mounts you can buy in the store? |
| 22:54.04 | Primer | level 20s riding those store-bought mounts |
| 22:55.35 | Primer | basically there are no more skill/level restrictions. The mount just conforms to what you ahve |
| 22:55.38 | Primer | have, even |
| 22:58.15 | Amarande | Primer: a number of mounts, particularly flying mounts that are epic items, still require Artisan Riding to learn |
| 22:58.30 | Primer | such as... |
| 22:58.42 | Amarande | Sha'tar Skyguard nether rays, for instance |
| 22:58.54 | Amarande | or the netherdrakes |
| 22:59.16 | Amarande | I'm wondering if you need to meet the requirements to learn a mount in order to use it as a cross-character mount in MoP |
| 22:59.28 | Amarande | I know you can't use faction mounts on the other faction, but that's the only one I know of for sure |
| 23:01.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.offtheback.com.au/ lol 50 shades of grey |
| 23:07.27 | Amarande | hrm, gnomish or goblin engineer |
| 23:07.33 | Amarande | actually, this is an easy decision now :( |
| 23:07.40 | Amarande | gnomish, for sure (not that I wasn't going to pick that anyway) |
| 23:08.43 | Amarande | Goblin Engineering has lost so much of its value since the bomb nerf :( |
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| 23:23.04 | oscarucb | Engineering has lost what little earning power it had since the ammunition nerf |
| 23:25.01 | karl_w_w | every time an engineer complains about their profession god strangles a kitten |
| 23:25.29 | oscarucb | I don't engineer on any toons I care about because its so obviously inferior |
| 23:26.07 | oscarucb | they should add an engineering pattern for single-use mailboxes or banks that any toon can use - those would sell like hotcakes |
| 23:27.12 | karl_w_w | no, they should disable trading of enchants without a vellum |
| 23:27.30 | oscarucb | that helps engineers how? |
| 23:28.06 | karl_w_w | it wouldn't directly, it would help one of the many professions that are worse off than engineers |
| 23:28.22 | oscarucb | at least everyone has to buy a glyph once |
| 23:28.35 | oscarucb | engineers make nothing worth buying |
| 23:28.44 | karl_w_w | i wasnt talking about scribes :P |
| 23:28.53 | xyphoid | wait doesn't engineering get exactly the same stat bonuses as most profs, but with the option to trigger it for burst phases? |
| 23:28.53 | Amarande | engineers make minipets and motorcycles, which have a tendency to sell for more than a lot of stuff that actually is useful |
| 23:29.16 | oscarucb | true about the pets and cycles, but thats a rough way to make money |
| 23:29.20 | karl_w_w | and other stuff too, xyphoid |
| 23:29.34 | oscarucb | and I'm talking about financial potential, not raid buffs |
| 23:29.38 | foxlit | heh, DK starting area is bugged on beta realms -- there are no NPCs around for that duel quest :/ |
| 23:34.29 | Amarande | oooops |
| 23:34.36 | Amarande | you mean DKs are stuck in the starting area forever? :) |
| 23:35.06 | foxlit | actually, it recovered. |
| 23:35.40 | Arrowmaster | this little thing is damn powerful http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050109&p_id=8076 |
| 23:35.51 | Arrowmaster | picking up wireless networks down the street |
| 23:36.02 | Amarande | actually IIRC you can duel other player death knights for that one, so I guess if you go two at a time you could get past that :S |
| 23:36.52 | Amarande | Arrow: heh I love how they still tout WPS as a feature :| |
| 23:37.13 | Arrowmaster | wrath beta, you HAD to duel other players for that quest, there was no dueling npcs for it |
| 23:37.23 | Amarande | WPS is one of those features like non-WPA2-AES security and UPnP that are just a bad idea all around to use :P |
| 23:37.30 | *** join/#wowuidev the-golem_ (~Darrin@c-24-10-17-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:37.37 | Arrowmaster | nothing wrong with UPnP |
| 23:38.32 | Amarande | well, UPnP can apparently allow holes to be punched in your firewall against your will if security is breached |
| 23:38.53 | Corrodias | > if security is breached <- you're fucked anyway |
| 23:38.53 | Amarande | e.g., I imagine if a family member gets the wrong malware on their computer, it could probably turn your firewall into swiss cheese |
| 23:39.23 | Corrodias | i really don't think a home user needs to worry about a few ports being forwarded on their router, versus malware stealing all their passwords in the first place |
| 23:39.39 | Arrowmaster | the problem there is considering a router using NAT a firewall |
| 23:40.16 | Amarande | "Enhanced WEP" |
| 23:40.20 | Amarande | I love these marketroids :P |
| 23:40.33 | Corrodias | can you provide a good definition of firewall, bro? |
| 23:41.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 23:44.16 | Amarande | speaking of WEP ... I've actually read that in a couple years or so Wi-Fi devices will actually not even be allowed to implement WEP |
| 23:44.26 | Amarande | Not if they want the Wi-Fi label anyway. |
| 23:44.38 | End_ | hah |
| 23:44.49 | End_ | mop beta client hit an assertion |
| 23:45.04 | End_ | but I can still do stuff |
| 23:45.29 | End_ | must have been a not important thread |
| 23:46.59 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 23:47.11 | Amarande | ATSW apparently doesn't like you switching between professions without closing the window first. :| |
| 23:51.42 | Amarande | actually, is ATSW still the gold-standard crafting window addon, or is there a newer one that's usually used now? |
| 23:52.04 | oscarucb | I prefer Skillet |
| 23:52.47 | Amarande | I used to use Skillet, I thought that evolved into ATSW, since I remember Skillet stopped working at some point (LK release I think) |
| 23:53.04 | oscarucb | it works fine now, can't really say which is better tho |
| 23:53.23 | Amarande | And this is why I should play DA:O and PS3 games during the first week or two after 5.0 and MoP come out, so I can let the UI dust settle before trying to play WoW again :) |
| 23:57.54 | oscarucb | alot of players seem to like TradeSkillMaster but I've never gotten it to work |
| 23:58.07 | oscarucb | the folly of separately downloadable modules |
| 23:58.53 | xyphoid | i liked tsm a while back |
| 23:59.26 | xyphoid | the bulk inscription milling and posting worked pretty well |
