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| 00:03.27 | karl_w_w | http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?MID=1&SSUBID=605&SUBCATID=961&keyform=CAT2#1 how is air the most expensive thing on that page? |
| 00:04.03 | karl_w_w | air: 3 times more expensive than butane |
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| 00:12.16 | Sintacks | i don't see air |
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| 00:20.13 | karl_w_w | Dust Remover Spray Can Sintacks |
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| 00:25.58 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: thats not air |
| 00:33.28 | karl_w_w | would you like to place a wager on that Arrowmaster? |
| 00:34.06 | Arrowmaster | turn a can upside down and spray it on your hand, air doesnt give you frostbite |
| 00:34.41 | karl_w_w | sure it does |
| 00:34.56 | Arrowmaster | also when you purchase 'dust remover spray cans' at a place like office depot they make you show ID for it |
| 00:35.17 | Arrowmaster | do you know why? |
| 00:35.27 | Kaylin | because people inhale it |
| 00:35.43 | Arrowmaster | inhaling air doesnt make you high |
| 00:40.03 | arton | it's probably a general restriction on all aerosols |
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| 00:43.19 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1-Difluoroethane |
| 00:43.36 | Arrowmaster | arton: no people were specifically buying the dust cleaner and inhaling it |
| 00:44.07 | Kaylin | pretty sure forced inhaling air can make you high similar to hyperventilating |
| 00:44.25 | Arrowmaster | Kaylin: thats more of an oxygen high |
| 00:44.36 | mckenziemc | "Several reports of fatal car crashes have been linked to drivers huffing 1,1-difluoroethane." |
| 00:44.45 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't call hyperventilating a high >.> |
| 00:45.21 | karl_w_w | so mckenziemc is hard to please |
| 00:45.25 | karl_w_w | notes it down |
| 00:45.40 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 00:49.22 | mckenziemc | Arrowmaster: if it really was air compressed in the can, it *would* give you frostbite |
| 00:49.28 | mckenziemc | still |
| 00:58.29 | Unkle | Oxygen oversaturation? Certainly a high. |
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| 01:18.43 | Kraps | is pastebin down |
| 01:19.39 | TMc51 | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pastebin.com |
| 01:20.03 | kd3 | http://downorjustforme.com/pastebin.com |
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| 01:23.43 | Kraps | wut why is pastebin the only one that lets you make a paste private |
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| 01:26.30 | Kraps | will you guys be able to help me with a wow launcher error report or should i run a repair or what |
| 01:32.35 | Sintacks | try repair |
| 01:32.39 | pompy | Kraps: wowace paste lets u make it private |
| 01:32.46 | Sintacks | then trouble shoot |
| 01:34.05 | Kraps | next question is where do i find the repair thing |
| 01:34.33 | kd3 | it should be in the same folder as wow.exe |
| 01:35.05 | Unkle | Only on the windows version. There's not a similar tool for the Mac OSX client. |
| 01:35.11 | Sintacks | o |
| 01:36.15 | Kraps | no i just find 2 repair logs |
| 01:36.51 | Meorawr | Lonely panda seeking fun, excitable and outgoing US beta realm guild invite. Must have an intense dislike for personal hygiene, and have a full collection of Justin Bieber songs. |
| 01:39.20 | Kraps | cool you can get it from bnet |
| 01:39.23 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 01:39.58 | Kraps | "It also works as a downloader and if it finds minor error in your installation" |
| 01:40.55 | Kraps | thats on EU |
| 01:40.58 | Kraps | sillies |
| 01:44.30 | Amarande | Playing a Justin Bieber song instantly reduces your reputation to 0/36000 hated with all factions :) |
| 01:45.51 | Meorawr | Maybe my requirements were a little too tight then, but I refuse to budge on the personal hygiene point. |
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| 01:50.29 | Kraps | guess it was a WTF issue |
| 01:50.34 | Kraps | so far |
| 01:50.52 | Unkle | You can have a clean body or a clean mind, but not both. Me, I like taking a shower… |
| 01:58.14 | Kraps | this might be the only acceptable version of JBs Baby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k28Zs2wHJK4 |
| 01:59.02 | Kraps | but this is definitely the only acceptable version of Friday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxleH60hDJY |
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| 02:06.18 | Kaylin | Kraps perhaps the singing is awesome but the lyrics still make me like ... |
| 02:06.24 | Kraps | haha |
| 02:09.04 | Natharl | Sorry to interrupt, but I need help with a problem I am having. I eventually lose my addon after moving it to the corner of the screen. Is there a way to implement a way to reset the position from inside the addon, rather than manually doing it? I am using blizzard's code to handle position saving. |
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| 02:11.18 | Ketho | Natharl: why not just clamp it to the screen? |
| 02:11.25 | Meorawr | You could clamp it to the screen with SetClampRectInsets, but that's not a "reset" mechanism. |
| 02:12.33 | Natharl | I would still like to be able to have it mostly off the screen if I need that space for something else. |
| 02:13.38 | Meorawr | Set the insets to negative values, but not large enough to be equal to the width. That way you can drag it mostly off screen whilst keeping it partially visible. |
| 02:14.38 | foxlit | Natharl: frame:ClearAllPoints(); frame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent); |
| 02:14.55 | Natharl | Thanks fox, let me try it real quick |
| 02:16.23 | Natharl | Main reason I was wanting to be able to reset it is if I want to start anew with my whole ui, I would be able to reset it along with the rest of my addons. |
| 02:17.50 | foxlit | a^k + b^k <= 1, solve for k (a,b,k > 0) |
| 02:18.49 | foxlit | (completely unrelated to anything; my brain is just flat-out refusing to imagine a closed-form solution to that) |
| 02:19.12 | foxlit | I suppose it also matters that a,b < 1. |
| 02:20.18 | Natharl | Works like a charm, thanks fox |
| 02:22.14 | kd3 | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve%28a%5Ek%2Bb%5Ek+%3C%3D+1%3Ba%3E0%2Cb%3E0%2Ck%3E0%29 |
| 02:22.39 | foxlit | kd3: "no integer solutions", computation timed out |
| 02:22.52 | kd3 | yup |
| 02:23.14 | foxlit | I suppose that's obvious if 0 < a,b < 1 |
| 02:23.18 | foxlit | there are kind of no integers there |
| 02:35.46 | kd3 | ooh, brann sells some goodies... an item to reset all the pandaria digsites and a lodestone that teleports to an active digsite |
| 02:36.02 | Unkle | nom nom nom |
| 02:36.16 | foxlit | "reset"? |
| 02:36.33 | Kaylin | teleport? what is the cost and cd on that and is it consumable? |
| 02:36.46 | Unkle | I believe that means that it gives you a new set of sites foxlit |
| 02:37.05 | kd3 | 30m cd, each item takes 5 "Restored Artifact"s, which are created from any pandaren find |
| 02:37.28 | kd3 | puts it up on the wiki real quick |
| 02:38.36 | Arrowmaster | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.videolan.vlc.betav7neon |
| 02:38.38 | Arrowmaster | "This item cannot be installed in your device's country." |
| 02:38.41 | Arrowmaster | dafuk |
| 02:39.27 | Unkle | You! Out of the pool! |
| 02:39.46 | Kaylin | WTT ham for friends, 12oz : friend ratio |
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| 02:43.01 | Unkle | Kaylin: Are you sure that's ham and not long pig? |
| 02:43.13 | Unkle | 'cause… I'm suddenly suspicious. |
| 02:44.12 | Kaylin | no it was pretty stubby and cured with nitrates |
| 02:44.18 | Kaylin | I am sure it is ham and it is delicious |
| 02:44.35 | Unkle | So, you're not looking for a fresh supply then. |
| 02:45.02 | Arrowmaster | awesome https://plus.google.com/111516587314860321906/posts/RuSPwPfVLfH |
| 02:45.02 | Kaylin | not so much no, sorry :X |
| 02:45.37 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRuwR2JSXI |
| 02:46.06 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Restored_Artifact |
| 02:48.15 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: .... |
| 02:50.25 | Kaylin | he looks like a buffy style vampire |
| 02:51.35 | Kaylin | lol @ like 2 min in |
| 02:52.58 | Amarande | hm. something you beta folks might know |
| 02:53.34 | Amarande | Is Stranglethorn going to be exempted from the xrealm zones, or is the Fishing Extravaganza going to actually become a competition across servers depending upon the guest player assignment on any given Sunday afternoon? :| |
| 02:53.57 | kd3 | I don't think they've made a determination yet |
| 02:57.29 | Torhal | Cross-realms ALL THE THINGS. |
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| 03:04.31 | kd3 | ick; 2 packs a day in front of a computer for years: http://imgur.com/a/sqppB |
| 03:04.46 | Primer | So what are the rules regarding trading gold from one game for gold from another game? |
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| 03:13.57 | kd3 | ahaha; http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/vwgq8/fulfilling_request_iaman_erotic_fiction_author/c58byo4?context=1 |
| 03:14.46 | Kraps | not clicking |
| 03:14.56 | Arrowmaster | awesome |
| 03:17.49 | Dagmar | wtf |
| 03:17.59 | Dagmar | just learned abour /r/gonewild |
| 03:18.09 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 03:18.10 | kd3 | bad idea waiting to happen |
| 03:18.25 | Dagmar | Somehow it feels like it takes all the challenge out of the internet. |
| 03:18.42 | Arrowmaster | wait till you find the rest of the porn subreddits |
| 03:18.57 | Unkle | Color me clueless since I almost never go to reddit… but, wtf? |
| 03:19.07 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm not even going to look |
| 03:19.20 | Dagmar | I know better than to think the internet won't show me _exactly_ what I look for |
| 03:23.19 | Dagmar | Right now my primary concern is just drinking a bit of Pepto because it's starting to look like my lunch might win. |
| 03:23.48 | Dagmar | Never assume just because your 5'3" co-worker can eat a three meat plate that you can too |
| 03:23.57 | Unkle | Better drink a lot of it, 'cause nothing is more fun than constipation caused by the silica. |
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| 03:26.19 | Arrowmaster | wtf http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022 |
| 03:26.21 | Dagmar | Interesting. The Walgreen's brand actually tastes like strawberries |
| 03:28.58 | Adys | Dagmar: how are you with databases? (as in, knowledge of inner workings) |
| 03:29.55 | Dagmar | Depends. I sort of pre-date them |
| 03:30.08 | Dagmar | I am level "suck" with MySQL and Oracle |
| 03:30.11 | Adys | I predate diablo 3, I'm still good at it |
| 03:30.39 | Dagmar | If you're going to ask me about whether or not some data type is ordered or indexed, you'd be asking the wrong guy probably |
| 03:30.45 | Adys | nah |
| 03:30.57 | Unkle | Ok, night all. |
| 03:34.54 | Adys | <Arrowmaster> wait till you find the rest of the porn subreddits <- especially spaceporn. that one's bad. |
| 03:35.17 | Arrowmaster | never heard of that one but i know better than to goto the space* ones |
| 03:35.35 | Adys | http://reddit.com/r/spaceporn |
| 03:35.37 | Adys | sfw |
| 03:36.43 | Dagmar | I'm not looking. I know better. |
| 03:36.58 | Dagmar | I've been in the same facility as Tubgirl |
| 03:36.59 | Arrowmaster | no it is safe |
| 03:37.02 | kd3 | that one is clean. there's another subreddit starting with space that is most decidedly *NOT* |
| 03:37.11 | Arrowmaster | kd3: more than one |
| 03:37.26 | Arrowmaster | but theres a lot ending in porn that are safe |
| 03:37.27 | cralor | justiceporn is good too |
| 03:37.46 | Adys | The Internet: If you think there's none, there's one. If you think there's just one, you're WRONG. |
| 03:41.44 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/vy5vm/i_am_hubert_thieblot_founder_and_ceo_of_curse_ama/ |
| 03:42.30 | Ackis | Dagmar: they call stuff Xporn for neat/cool pics of stuff... e.g. treeporn... spaceporn is not spacedicks |
| 03:42.50 | Dagmar | Well, yeah, they're not the only ones |
| 03:43.15 | Dagmar | Some of my coworkers would get a little wide-eyed when I'd refer to the news displays in the NOC as "newsporn" |
| 03:43.29 | Dagmar | I had to explain the idea of doing something obsessively for it's own sake |
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| 04:00.16 | karl_w_w | Ackis: not really the founder of curse? |
| 04:00.40 | karl_w_w | why is he posting in the LoL area, that makes no sense |
| 04:01.16 | kd3 | he answers that in the first paragraph |
| 04:02.06 | karl_w_w | "...received many requests to start my own AMA thread. You ask and you shall receive:"? |
| 04:03.41 | karl_w_w | if that's what you're referring to, my response would be "well when is he going to do it?" |
| 04:04.03 | karl_w_w | because if it's not on the iama subreddit, it's not an ama thread |
| 04:04.11 | kd3 | sure it is |
| 04:04.45 | kd3 | there are amas all over reddit, they don't have to be in /r/iama if it's only interesting to a subreddit's worth of people |
| 04:06.30 | karl_w_w | couple of points. 1) so how do you know that's not him? 2) the founder of curse only being interesting to LoL players? what have you been huffing? |
| 04:06.43 | kd3 | netcurse is his account |
| 04:07.10 | kd3 | if there's interest, he may do an ama in /r/iama? but the thing came up wrt LoL stuff, so why not do it there? |
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| 04:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | [00:16]Thomas Miller says: Rolls, buns and bread. Baked fresh! |
| 04:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | [00:16]Thomas Miller throws a rotten banana at Traxxz. |
| 04:21.49 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.facebook.com/hthieblot/posts/320663684691472 |
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| 04:23.48 | karl_w_w | The page you requested was not found |
| 04:23.49 | karl_w_w | You may have clicked an expired link or mistyped the address. Some web addresses are case sensitive. |
| 04:30.16 | pompy | dunno |
| 04:39.26 | karl_w_w | how do I check the toc using lua? |
| 04:40.44 | pompy | !lua toc |
| 04:40.44 | batbot | pompy: > nil |
| 04:40.50 | pompy | ~lua toc |
| 04:41.21 | pompy | !api toc |
| 04:41.21 | lua_bot | Found 15 possible matches for 'toc'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 04:42.19 | pompy | !api getbuildinfo |
| 04:42.19 | lua_bot | GetBuildInfo: Returns the version information about the client (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBuildInfo) |
| 04:42.32 | pompy | karl_w_w: ^ |
| 04:44.21 | karl_w_w | aha |
| 04:44.43 | karl_w_w | hugs pompy |
| 04:57.12 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pholcus.phalangioides.6908.jpg |
| 04:57.37 | pompy | ~toc |
| 04:57.38 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 40300, or magical |
| 04:57.56 | pompy | ~toc is also MoP is 50001 |
| 04:57.56 | purl | okay, pompy |
| 04:58.00 | pompy | ~toc |
| 04:58.00 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 40300, or magical. MoP is 50001 |
| 04:58.20 | sylvanaar | MOP = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 50000 |
| 04:59.20 | karl_w_w | if select(4,GetBuildInfo()) < 50000 then |
| 04:59.21 | karl_w_w | StaticPopup_Show("COMBUSTION_TOOSOON") |
| 04:59.21 | karl_w_w | end |
| 04:59.23 | karl_w_w | I like it |
| 05:18.39 | karl_w_w | pompy yucrashwowpediafor |
| 05:19.19 | karl_w_w | 3 cheers for google caching though |
| 05:19.56 | Fisker | hugs kd3 |
| 05:20.53 | Fisker | i hope you're not mad kd3 |
| 05:26.24 | karl_w_w | if I check UnitClass("player") on PLAYER_LOGIN will it be available? |
| 05:43.16 | pompy | !api unitclass |
| 05:43.16 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitclass': UnitClassBase, UnitClass, UnitClassification |
| 05:43.26 | pompy | !api unitclass() |
| 05:43.26 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitclass()': UnitClassBase, UnitClass, UnitClassification |
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| 05:50.55 | Arrowmaster | !api ^unitclass$ |
| 05:50.55 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 05:55.59 | pompy | what do those symbols mean |
| 05:56.22 | Arrowmaster | lua pattern matching |
| 05:56.31 | Arrowmaster | beginning and end of string |
| 05:57.10 | Fisker | what if it's regex? |
| 05:57.37 | karl_w_w | what if you're regex |
| 05:57.42 | karl_w_w | it seems to work fine |
| 05:59.18 | TC-Away | it doesnt handle wildcards? |
| 05:59.43 | Thunder_Child | !api *unitc* |
| 05:59.43 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '*unitc*'. |
| 05:59.46 | Thunder_Child | i guess not |
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| 06:12.54 | F16Gaming | !api .*unitc.* |
| 06:12.54 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for '.*unitc.*': UnitClassBase, UnitClass, UnitControllingVehicle, UnitChannelInfo, UnitCanCooperate, UnitCastingInfo, UnitCanAssist, UnitCanAttack, UnitCreatureType, UnitClassification, UnitCreatureFamily |
| 06:13.34 | F16Gaming | Thunder_Child: it be working fine :3 |
| 06:14.50 | Thunder_Child | no, having to put '.' there does not strike me as 'working fine' |
| 06:15.20 | F16Gaming | unitc* matches "unitcccccccccccccccccc" |
| 06:17.10 | karl_w_w | somebody approve my curseforge upload I need to post things then go out :P |
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| 06:42.23 | sylvanaar | i put up a updated version of the wow api's for my plugin if anyone uses it |
| 06:45.45 | clever | !api unitc |
| 06:45.46 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'unitc': UnitClassBase, UnitClass, UnitControllingVehicle, UnitChannelInfo, UnitCanCooperate, UnitCastingInfo, UnitCanAssist, UnitCanAttack, UnitCreatureType, UnitClassification, UnitCreatureFamily |
| 06:45.56 | clever | F16Gaming: looks to be regular old regex |
| 06:46.13 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 06:46.32 | Arrowmaster | its lua pattern matching which is similar to regex but lacks some certain features |
| 06:46.39 | clever | ah |
| 06:47.00 | Arrowmaster | like a{2,4} is invalid |
| 06:47.11 | sylvanaar | and so many other things |
| 06:47.51 | clever | ive seen regex that would drive any sane person insane, one of them was to match any valid email address, it was somewhere over 5 lines long (80+ chars per line) |
| 06:47.52 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if people are still using all the patterns i created for url matching |
| 06:48.01 | sylvanaar | they are still in there |
| 06:48.52 | sylvanaar | i think I had to fix one of them at one point, but otherwise they have been working for years |
| 06:48.53 | Arrowmaster | i could probably improve those, and they will need to be updated after icann finishing their money grab |
| 06:51.13 | sylvanaar | i remember you were always the wizard with the frontier pattern |
| 06:51.43 | Arrowmaster | those patterns are a good example of how much of a bitch it is to match urls, how much of a bitch lua patterns can be, and how bad my ocd is at times |
| 06:52.08 | sylvanaar | i have bad ocd to |
| 06:52.32 | Arrowmaster | i have selective ocd, if i care about it then it has to be perfect, if i dont care about it then fuck it |
| 06:52.37 | sylvanaar | i wrote a tab complete in wow for lua variables so I didnt have to type them all the time |
| 06:55.23 | F16Gaming | Arrowmaster: URL match, courtesy of ITSBTH: ((?:(?:https?|ftp):(?:/{1,3}|[a-z0-9%])|www\d{0,3}[.]|[a-z0-9.\-]+[.][a-z]{2,4}/)(?:[^\s()<>]+|\(([^\s()<>]+|(\([^\s()<>]+\)))*\))+(?:\(([^\s()<>]+|(\([^\s()<>]+\)))*\)|[^\s`!()\[\]{};:'"".,<>?«»“”‘’])) |
| 06:55.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, i like regex better |
| 06:56.07 | sylvanaar | see how much that does |
| 06:56.10 | Arrowmaster | i cant link directly to a repo anymore can i |
| 06:56.21 | sylvanaar | like which one? |
| 06:56.50 | Arrowmaster | prat or chatter or whatever Funkeh's addon is that uses my patterns |
| 06:57.16 | sylvanaar | https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/prat-3.0/src/3d03cde07e31/modules/UrlCopy.lua |
| 06:57.35 | Arrowmaster | F16Gaming: ^^ |
| 06:57.58 | F16Gaming | ._o |
| 06:58.24 | Arrowmaster | i think i was working on IPv6 patterns but never added them |
| 06:58.31 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 06:58.35 | sylvanaar | thats funny |
| 07:01.12 | sylvanaar | I think you helped me come up with the one I use to match multibyte names |
| 07:01.31 | Arrowmaster | i think i might have helped but you did most the work on that one |
| 07:01.32 | sylvanaar | ~x en zh hi |
| 07:01.46 | F16Gaming | Arrowmaster, sylvanaar: https://gist.github.com/14cdf423ce9908166aaa |
| 07:02.46 | sylvanaar | the best part of regex is RegexBuddy |
| 07:02.50 | sylvanaar | i love that tool |
| 07:03.00 | karl_w_w | wrong |
| 07:03.12 | sylvanaar | no, i really do love it |
| 07:03.15 | karl_w_w | the best part of regex is when you get somebody else to do it for you |
| 07:03.40 | sylvanaar | RB is pretty close |
| 07:05.59 | sylvanaar | RB even has another tool called RegexMagic which actually writes them for you |
| 07:07.08 | F16Gaming | future of programming: sit back while programs write themselves |
| 07:07.29 | sylvanaar | i thought it was more work to use though |
| 07:07.39 | sylvanaar | regex is just fine |
| 07:11.09 | zenzio | I enjoy refiddle.com for regexes |
| 07:13.45 | Arrowmaster | wtf! |
| 07:13.50 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP3SMnKWDrY |
| 07:14.17 | F16Gaming | *read title* *close tab* |
| 07:14.18 | sylvanaar | I can haz kittens. Mmmm. Tasty, tasty kittens. |
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| 07:15.14 | F16Gaming | tasty kittens: http://c.cslacker.com/8808l.jpg |
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| 07:16.03 | sylvanaar | have any of you tried the github for windows app? |
| 07:16.17 | F16Gaming | installed it |
| 07:16.19 | sylvanaar | isnt it the stupiedest thing you have ever seen |
| 07:16.21 | F16Gaming | didn't feel good |
| 07:16.31 | F16Gaming | didn't integrate with existing repos at all |
| 07:16.38 | sylvanaar | it doesnt do anything |
| 07:16.52 | sylvanaar | and its a metro ui for god sakes |
| 07:16.55 | F16Gaming | doesn't give you much control either |
| 07:17.28 | sylvanaar | you are supposed to use the command prompt |
| 07:17.36 | sylvanaar | after you clone your repo |
| 07:17.41 | F16Gaming | then why have this gui thing at all if all it does is clone repos :P |
| 07:17.46 | sylvanaar | right |
| 07:17.49 | sylvanaar | exactly |
| 07:17.55 | sylvanaar | who was smoking what? |
| 07:18.07 | F16Gaming | oh well |
| 07:18.13 | F16Gaming | maybe it can get classmates interested in git |
| 07:18.25 | sylvanaar | it is quite possbily the worlds most stupid git client |
| 07:18.27 | F16Gaming | and then they will bombard me with questions... |
| 07:18.48 | F16Gaming | "This thing won't run" "Did you extract the zip file?" "..." |
| 07:19.15 | Arrowmaster | lol http://imgur.com/sK9fV |
| 07:19.20 | sylvanaar | they will have to use the command line |
| 07:19.22 | Brusalk | Hey, who would I ask about transferring ownership of an addon? |
| 07:19.26 | sylvanaar | git has too many commands |
| 07:19.53 | F16Gaming | Brusalk: not sure but doesn't the current owner have ability to transfer it? |
| 07:20.10 | Brusalk | He told me to get on here and ask about it, so I'm guessing not |
| 07:20.14 | sylvanaar | there is an entry in the FAQ about it |
| 07:20.40 | F16Gaming | sylvanaar: my most used command is "git help" :3 |
| 07:20.52 | sylvanaar | mine is hg |
| 07:20.59 | F16Gaming | because i often forget what the flags were called... |
| 07:21.01 | sylvanaar | i use it to access git |
| 07:21.08 | sylvanaar | and svn |
| 07:21.34 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/vxmaz/parenting_level_linux/c58me6b?context=3 |
| 07:22.42 | Brusalk | Thanks :P |
| 07:23.13 | sylvanaar | you have to ask a mod, and he should send an email |
| 07:23.32 | sylvanaar | but he should just do it himself |
| 07:25.47 | sintAcks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KmiQ0M36fw&feature=player_embedded |
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| 07:27.40 | sylvanaar | wow windows 8 is going to be $40. |
| 07:28.54 | zenzio | yeah, awesome |
| 07:29.13 | sylvanaar | its just so unlike them |
| 07:29.19 | Corrodias | right |
| 07:29.29 | Corrodias | what kind of source does that info come from? |
| 07:29.41 | sintAcks | they know it's shite, so they aren't going to charge and arm and a leg for it |
| 07:29.49 | zenzio | the Windows8build twitter linked it, hang on |
| 07:29.52 | sylvanaar | the usual, engadget techcrunch |
| 07:30.05 | Arrowmaster | thats the upgrade version |
| 07:30.18 | Arrowmaster | $40 to upgrade from xp or newer to 8 |
| 07:30.31 | sylvanaar | http://www.google.com/reader/view/?hl=en&tab=my#stream/user%2F12709025133422252885%2Flabel%2FTech%20News |
| 07:30.41 | zenzio | http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/07/02/upgrade-to-windows-8-pro-for-39-99.aspx |
| 07:30.42 | sylvanaar | http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/microsoft-announces-39-99-windows-8-pro-upgrade-offer-for-most/ |
| 07:30.54 | zenzio | need moar sources |
| 07:31.27 | zenzio | also free Media Center |
| 07:31.38 | zenzio | (addon to 8) |
| 07:32.24 | sylvanaar | I like "Windows 8 Ads SDK" |
| 07:32.31 | sylvanaar | sounds like a winner |
| 07:32.57 | sintAcks | best parody of a video/song i've ever seen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE |
| 07:33.06 | sintAcks | also, i fucking hate the original song... |
| 07:33.07 | sylvanaar | http://advertising.microsoft.com/windowsadvertising/developer |
| 07:33.37 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 07:34.00 | F16Gaming | if i push a tag named "v1.8.0-mop" to curse, it would be available for live as a beta, right? |
| 07:36.20 | sylvanaar | I'm still not quite sure |
| 07:59.48 | arton | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawns. |
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| 08:01.53 | arton | moo |
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| 08:30.03 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't 'upgrade' from windows 7 to windows 8 if microsoft paid me $39.99 |
| 08:48.41 | sintAcks | ^ |
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| 09:00.31 | sylvanaar | yes but the tiles |
| 09:00.38 | sylvanaar | they are so colorful |
| 09:02.48 | sylvanaar | they are so large, yet the buttons on them are so small. its amazing |
| 09:03.03 | grdn | huh? |
| 09:03.29 | sylvanaar | the little back button |
| 09:03.31 | sintAcks | sylvanaar, stop smoking crack |
| 09:04.05 | grdn | no sintAcks |
| 09:04.10 | grdn | sylvanaar, stock confusing me |
| 09:04.11 | grdn | :D |
| 09:04.12 | karl_w_w | yes grdn |
| 09:04.14 | grdn | stop ! |
| 09:05.52 | mckenziemc | go |
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| 09:06.30 | karl_w_w | I just made |
| 09:06.36 | karl_w_w | the best pun in my life |
| 09:06.46 | karl_w_w | HFC = Har Fast Copper |
| 09:07.06 | karl_w_w | it works on 2 levels! |
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| 09:41.34 | Fisker | so Adys |
| 09:41.37 | Fisker | banned from Diablo 3 yet? |
| 09:43.03 | Fisker | what about a haste |
| 09:43.05 | Fisker | banned yet? |
| 09:43.58 | haste | no idea |
| 09:44.03 | haste | haven't logged since thursdag |
| 09:44.16 | haste | I like how I typoed it into norwengrish |
| 09:44.59 | zenzio | maybe you meant to make it a transition |
| 09:45.06 | zenzio | "haven't logged in since thursdag ettermiddag" |
| 09:47.16 | haste | potentially! |
| 09:47.27 | haste | or.. I'm just not used to writing on QWERTY :P |
| 09:48.25 | Kodiack | Oh crap |
| 09:48.33 | Kodiack | I hope I didn't get banned from Diablo III D: |
| 09:50.35 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022?page=21#402 |
| 09:50.37 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 09:51.06 | Kodiack | I think Bashiok is probably right. :P |
| 09:51.43 | Kodiack | Just logged into D3. I was like "D:" when it asked for my authenticator since I haven't had to punch that in for a week, but then I entered it and saw my friendly neighborhood barbarian load up. :3 |
| 09:54.59 | karl_w_w | well it does ask every week :P |
| 09:55.01 | Kodiack | It's 5 AM and it's 74F |
| 09:55.11 | Kodiack | Whoops, wrong room... :\ |
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| 10:29.50 | zenzio | "The question almost seems nonsensical... let me rephrase it to illustrate: 'If you need a large block of memory and are worried about fragmentation, should you just fragment it yourself?'" |
| 10:30.00 | zenzio | I love when people make such simple explanations |
| 10:31.26 | bluspacecow | how much to sell http://d3db.com/item/i/magefist#comment for ? |
| 10:31.31 | bluspacecow | also http://d3db.com/item/i/the-barber |
| 10:33.13 | zenzio | do low level legendaries sell? |
| 10:33.31 | bluspacecow | dunno |
| 10:35.27 | zenzio | I found some 14ish legendary axe, kept it in my stash, but couldn't really picture it being very interesting; unless for low-level PvP or something |
| 10:35.41 | zenzio | or I'm being ignorant and such things matter more for the higher difficulties |
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| 10:47.21 | Adys | Dagmar: ping |
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| 11:09.16 | Fisker | so no ban Adys ? :( |
| 11:09.21 | Adys | no |
| 11:09.55 | Fisker | damn |
| 11:09.57 | Fisker | but you use wine |
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| 11:11.45 | bluspacecow | @fisker i use wine too |
| 11:11.55 | bluspacecow | *drinks from wineglass* |
| 11:11.59 | bluspacecow | a nice red. |
| 11:12.08 | Fisker | that's not using wine |
| 11:12.11 | Fisker | that's drinking wine |
| 11:13.55 | zenzio | sort of |
| 11:14.03 | zenzio | if he's drinking to get drunk, then he's using the wine |
| 11:14.07 | zenzio | but also drinking it |
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| 11:24.10 | Adys | Fisker: I know a few people who were not hacking and got banned |
| 11:24.15 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 11:24.22 | Adys | but only US ones |
| 11:24.42 | zenzio | did they run the ban-strike on both regions yet then? |
| 11:25.13 | Adys | Doubt it |
| 11:25.16 | Kalroth | running D3 using Wine is a hack |
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| 11:25.51 | randomDude | some people on the internet are angry |
| 11:26.00 | Kalroth | randomDude: DONT LIE |
| 11:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 11:28.32 | Fisker | last time they unbanned them |
| 11:28.50 | Fisker | but pretty dumb of bashiok to say that there has been no evidence of false positives then |
| 11:28.51 | randomDude | Kalroth: did you also get banned and reported to the international department of homeland securing monopolists? |
| 11:29.02 | Fisker | he's been pretty dumb lately |
| 11:29.12 | Adys | Fisker: it's not dumb, if anything it's smart |
| 11:29.14 | Fisker | maybe he'll execute order 69 |
| 11:29.23 | Adys | especially considering how FUCKING RETARDED THE DIABLO USERBASE IS |
| 11:29.24 | Adys | good god |
| 11:29.30 | randomDude | oh ok |
| 11:29.33 | zenzio | true |
| 11:29.37 | Fisker | but now it will go like this: |
| 11:29.41 | Adys | "word of the blue! there is no way they lie!" |
| 11:29.43 | randomDude | adys just called half the people here retarded |
| 11:29.49 | Fisker | Bashiok tells us "nope you're wrong" |
| 11:29.55 | Fisker | Blizzard unbans people |
| 11:29.56 | zenzio | randomDude: well they are |
| 11:30.00 | Fisker | Bashiok tells us "Oh we were wrong" |
| 11:30.09 | Fisker | userbase = LOL WHY SHOULD WE EVER TRUST WHAT YOU SAY AGAIN? |
| 11:30.11 | randomDude | Fisker: why were you wrong? |
| 11:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | points out that the Diablo userbase is the WoW userbase is... oh, hi Lounge peoples. |
| 11:30.16 | zenzio | actually, half the people in here I don't recall ever seeing speak |
| 11:30.31 | Adys | Fisker: have you seen this crap in the comments? |
| 11:30.31 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/vysjm/blue_post_re_linux_under_wine_playing_the_game_on/ |
| 11:30.37 | randomDude | zenzio, that's becuase they are content scraping bots |
| 11:30.41 | Kalroth | randomDude: no i wouldn't hack D3 like that, fucking linux hackers always ruining the good games |
| 11:30.53 | Kalroth | i bet the auction house was down because of linux hackers |
| 11:31.04 | randomDude | Kalroth: yeah those damn linux people always not conforming |
| 11:31.21 | randomDude | i hate them |
| 11:31.31 | Kalroth | me2 |
| 11:31.35 | zenzio | Adys: wow, the comments went four-deep before Godwin |
| 11:31.36 | randomDude | oh wait i mean hipsters |
| 11:31.42 | Fisker | yeah and it's not making it better by being wrong :P |
| 11:31.49 | Fisker | (even if he's technically correct) |
| 11:32.24 | Adys | "if blizzard says so there is no way its pr there is no way its inconclusive ITS TRUE AND IT WAS HAKERS" |
| 11:32.28 | Kalroth | "Nope, just a massive scare orchestrated by a few butthurt hackers. What the banned claim makes no sense: it is not in Blizzard's interest to ban Linux players while saying they do not forbid players playing on Linux." |
| 11:32.45 | Kalroth | yeah, you butthurt hackers should shut up and stop being butthurt LOL |
| 11:32.54 | Fisker | Adys i think you'll find the majority being the other crowd |
| 11:33.03 | Adys | what other crowd? |
| 11:33.10 | Kalroth | the it crowd, great show |
| 11:33.16 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 11:33.24 | Adys | I love the it crowd |
| 11:33.27 | Adys | it's heaven in a can |
| 11:33.54 | zenzio | it's funny how ~25% of the Diablo 3 user base are computer technicians with >15 years experience |
| 11:33.59 | zenzio | at least when they're on the forums |
| 11:34.37 | Fisker | the other 75% are security experts with >15 years of experience at a fortune 500 company |
| 11:34.41 | Kalroth | look i programmed the first TCP implementation, there is no reason for lizard to ban people its just cuz their dumb |
| 11:35.01 | Fisker | i invented the internet |
| 11:35.09 | Adys | speaking of their dumb |
| 11:35.14 | Kalroth | i invented fisker |
| 11:35.14 | Adys | Kalroth: you any good with iptables? |
| 11:35.22 | Kalroth | Adys: no they make me feel dumb |
| 11:35.33 | Kalroth | iptables and regex, my mortal enemies |
| 11:35.37 | Kalroth | and fisker |
| 11:35.50 | randomDude | i play solitaire in wine, and i haven't been banned yet |
| 11:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | I play solitaire in the bathtub. |
| 11:36.16 | Kalroth | i play with myself in the bathtub |
| 11:36.17 | Fisker | i play solitaire in Lopeppeppy's bathtub. |
| 11:36.23 | randomDude | were you banned? |
| 11:36.30 | Fisker | that shit is gross Kalroth |
| 11:36.35 | Fisker | you do that in the shower |
| 11:36.36 | randomDude | i actually thing you were cheating Lopeppeppy |
| 11:36.39 | Fisker | not the bathtub |
| 11:36.55 | randomDude | Fisker: while crying? |
| 11:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | I always cheat at Solitaire, randomDude |
| 11:37.56 | Fisker | i cheat at minesweeper |
| 11:38.03 | Fisker | man was that cheat awesome |
| 11:40.25 | Kalroth | i cheat at fisker |
| 11:41.45 | Stanzilla | Fisker: Nvidia GeForce Beta 304.79 |
| 11:41.55 | Fisker | pls Stanzilla old |
| 11:42.01 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 11:42.02 | Stanzilla | fresh |
| 11:42.16 | Fisker | which is old |
| 11:43.03 | Fisker | is it atleast with geforce experience? |
| 11:43.05 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 11:43.10 | Fisker | fail |
| 11:43.16 | Stanzilla | but it's the first unified 7/8 driver |
| 11:43.25 | Fisker | old |
| 11:43.52 | Stanzilla | .!.. |
| 11:44.23 | Fisker | what is that? |
| 11:44.43 | Stanzilla | a middle finger |
| 11:47.32 | Fisker | not really |
| 11:47.43 | Fisker | you're missing a pinky or a thumb |
| 11:47.46 | Fisker | dumbass |
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| 11:55.14 | Syronius | ello ello |
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| 11:57.54 | Lopeppeppy | la la la! |
| 11:58.37 | Syronius | anyone able to ginv? |
| 11:59.10 | randomDude | wat |
| 11:59.39 | Syronius | on MoP Beta |
| 11:59.40 | randomDude | I've not had the pleasure of experiencing that particular english word before... |
| 11:59.41 | Syronius | guild invite |
| 12:00.58 | randomDude | so fisker, how do you feel about Watchdogs? |
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| 12:06.43 | Fisker | sup randomDude ? |
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| 12:14.33 | randomDude | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwm46hiFNBQ |
| 12:15.43 | randomDude | also it's a crime that iJustine is anywhere near e3 |
| 12:33.08 | Adys | anyone here uses virtualenvs regularly? |
| 12:35.36 | randomDude | yeah |
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| 12:59.12 | Ycarene_ | I have a question, why is Wow UI Designer still on the addons page in wowinterface when it hasn't seen an update in two years? |
| 13:00.41 | zenzio | don't think they do any automatic cleanup |
| 13:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | Does it still work? |
| 13:07.24 | zenzio | difficult to say. I'd guess at least it'd have inconsistencies |
| 13:07.32 | Ycarene_ | As far as I know it's at least two expansions behind. |
| 13:07.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, but does it *work* ? |
| 13:08.15 | zenzio | I was under the impression it had been abandoned during BC or so, but I admittedly never looked into it |
| 13:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | If it's broken, does not work at all anymore, PM the site managers and report it to them. But if it works, abandoned or not, why would they take it down? It's a learning tool, even if it's a bit behind. |
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| 13:26.59 | zenzio | http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22895965.jpg |
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| 14:42.49 | karl_w_w | beat elitist jerks-baked combustion helper to beta version release |
| 14:42.52 | karl_w_w | feels good man |
| 14:43.23 | karl_w_w | backed* |
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| 14:51.13 | zenzio | "dartttt writes with word that "Blizzard has banned all Linux users who are playing Diablo III on Linux using Wine." Reader caranha adds that these users have been flagged as "using cheating programs," and that replies from Blizzard support staff so far have upheld these bans" |
| 14:51.18 | zenzio | quality news from Slashdot, as always |
| 14:52.16 | Kalroth | Activision-Blizzard declares war on Open Source supporters, their new marketing director Hitler-Stalin proclaims |
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| 14:55.44 | Kraps | Hitler-Stalin is a jerk if you ask me |
| 14:56.04 | Kraps | did this happen? |
| 14:56.36 | nilyaK | it's happened before, but last time it was reversed iirc |
| 14:56.46 | Kraps | it would probably last just until blizz realized it |
| 14:56.49 | Kraps | yeah |
| 14:57.03 | Kraps | people are stupid |
| 14:57.35 | nilyaK | I don't think their program detects heuristically, so what I don't understand is why they'd be banned in the first place. Modified files yes but hack signatures no. |
| 14:58.17 | Kalroth | Warden detects memory intrusion and API redirects, Wine deals in both |
| 15:00.15 | Maul | @Cairenn: if you are there, may I get an invite on Lost Isles, Alliance? |
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| 15:03.44 | Fisker | Ackis |
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| 15:19.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.popehat.com/2012/07/02/oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-viii-charles-carreon-gets-sued/ |
| 15:22.12 | Fisker | so old |
| 15:23.35 | Dagmar | Maybe you should try literacy then |
| 15:23.45 | Dagmar | Clearly the bigger words are just confusing you |
| 15:24.36 | nilyaK | Mr. Carreon also demanded that Paul Alan Levy convey Mr. Carreon's disquiet about this case, and Public Citizen's involvement in it, to Ralph Nader. I am unable to make the preceding sentence any more hilarious, and so will hang my head in shame and move on. |
| 15:24.39 | nilyaK | lolwut |
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| 15:26.53 | Dagmar | Yeah, the dude has lost his mind. Clearly he has spent so much time sniffing his own farts that he truly believes they smell like roses. |
| 15:27.16 | Unkle | RIP Andy Griffith - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNxLxTZHKM8 |
| 15:30.20 | TMc51 | NOOOOOOOOOO :'( |
| 15:31.09 | Unkle | I know, it is le sad. |
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| 15:31.29 | Dagmar | "Switching the office to decaf for two weeks before making espresso" |
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| 15:31.35 | Dagmar | Why... what a marvelous idea |
| 15:32.53 | Fisker | He's Jack Thompson Dagmar |
| 15:33.14 | Dagmar | I haven't seen anything about him slipping gay porn into any of his missives |
| 15:33.29 | Fisker | it's coming |
| 15:34.08 | Torhal|work | …in Fisker's eye. |
| 15:34.16 | nilyaK | what Mr Carreon getting disbarred? I hope so lmao. |
| 15:37.32 | Fisker | that's what you get when you mess with the internet |
| 15:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Where's Dogbert when Fisker needs biting? |
| 15:43.14 | bluspacecow | *gnaws on Peppy's Trouser Leg* |
| 15:43.29 | bluspacecow | *puppy eyes* |
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| 15:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not wearing pants, bluspacecow. I rarely do. |
| 15:46.33 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 15:46.42 | bluspacecow | then what am i chewing on? |
| 15:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | Skirt, most like. |
| 15:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | wow, interesting |
| 15:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | in the EU - "An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet" |
| 15:49.39 | Mr_Rabies | http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf |
| 15:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | a step in the right direction :D |
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| 16:00.28 | karl_w_w | The ice stone has melted! |
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| 16:19.59 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/Steam/posts/10150928363167339 like right during primetime, odd. |
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| 16:24.44 | Unkle | I am distressed by how often I have to remind users here on campus that the Internet is /not/ their friend. |
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| 16:30.05 | Arrowmaster | kd3: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Foctoba.net%2Farchives%2F20120629-android-feature.html&act=url |
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| 16:58.02 | Kraps | Unkle, how do you mean |
| 16:59.11 | Kraps | i may have to re-download wow, i have no idea whats wrong :( |
| 17:01.33 | Unkle | Kraps: I just spent 20 minutes nuking "toolbars" and "helper apps" that sites "offered to install" - fuck that people … it's the wild goddamned west out there, and if you ain't wearing a gun and shooting first, you're just gonna get buried on Boot HIll. |
| 17:02.48 | Kraps | hey i cant see half my browser BUT LOOK AT ALL THESE AWESOME TOOLBARS |
| 17:04.50 | bluspacecow | AWESUM BRAH! AWESOMU! |
| 17:05.03 | foxlit | "It will not be possible to access the 5.0.1 PTR realms with a game account that accesses the Mists of Pandaria Beta." |
| 17:15.11 | nevcairiel | wasnt it like this the last expansion PTR, just noone officially told us? |
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| 17:19.29 | Unkle | Seems familiar. |
| 17:19.49 | nevcairiel | i never had a reason to go to the PTR |
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| 17:27.21 | Kraps | i dunno where my credit card is |
| 17:27.39 | Kraps | carrying around in your pocket is a bad idea |
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| 17:33.14 | farmbuyer | Is there anybody around on the beta realms who can invite to the author-testing guilds that Cairenn mentioned in the announcement? |
| 17:33.24 | Cairenn | yup |
| 17:33.32 | Cairenn | which realm |
| 17:33.44 | farmbuyer | oh. lost realms, horde-side, please. |
| 17:33.55 | End_ | nevcairiel: yeah I think it was like that |
| 17:34.12 | farmbuyer | er, lost isles, not lost realms |
| 17:34.34 | farmbuyer | they should have named it Lost Data or some such |
| 17:35.37 | Cairenn | farmbuyer: char name? |
| 17:35.49 | Maul | I need an invite on Lost Isles, Alliance when you are able, I will be on Maul |
| 17:35.50 | farmbuyer | farmbuyer again |
| 17:37.07 | Meorawr | I'm also still very lonely and wanting a Lost Isles alliance invite (on Mmeorawr). |
| 17:37.24 | Cairenn | farmbuyer: invite coming from Claddagh |
| 17:37.51 | farmbuyer | Cairenn: thank you! I owe you $BEVERAGE. |
| 17:37.58 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 17:38.10 | Kraps | eeeeee i found it! |
| 17:39.00 | farmbuyer | pity we can't use special characters in guild names anymore, we could have <_G = nil> as a testing guild |
| 17:39.19 | Cairenn | Maul: invite coming from Kamdarya |
| 17:39.26 | Maul | okies, thanks |
| 17:41.28 | Unkle | I wanted <Dev Null> But… |
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| 17:43.30 | farmbuyer | <Dev Null> on one faction, <Dev Zero> on the other. |
| 17:45.00 | End_ | I checked the old guilds we had on Draka recently |
| 17:45.05 | End_ | last person to log on was like 8 months ago |
| 17:45.07 | Valdarix | Would also like an invite on Lost Isles Alliance for Valdarix if someone could |
| 17:45.12 | Cairenn | sec |
| 17:45.14 | End_ | I think it was Cairenn maybe |
| 17:45.29 | mckenziemc | Draka? o.O |
| 17:45.35 | mckenziemc | that's my new alliance server |
| 17:45.55 | End_ | yeah we created two UI guilds on Draka like 4 or 5 years ago |
| 17:47.23 | End_ | nobody really leveled very far :P |
| 17:47.40 | End_ | I used my character to test some addons with other people a few times |
| 17:47.44 | End_ | that was about it |
| 17:49.51 | pompy | Arrowmaster: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gau.go.launcherex&hl=en i assume thats legit and phone doesnt need to be rooted? Didnt think that stuff could be done on non-rooted devices |
| 17:50.48 | End_ | yes, you do not need root |
| 17:51.36 | nilyaK | http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/highless-marijuana-grown-by-israeli-firm-1.3819869 |
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| 18:07.09 | Arrowmaster | pompy: yes that will work on a stock phone, ive never tried go launcher though, personally i used adw ex when i was on 2.3 |
| 18:07.28 | Arrowmaster | using nova currently on 4.0 |
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| 18:10.17 | Kraps | Shirik, im still on one of the wikimedia mailing lists because im too lazy to get off it |
| 18:10.28 | Kraps | now im glad i didnt |
| 18:10.32 | Kraps | Subject: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists! |
| 18:10.34 | Kraps | First they deleted Michelle Obama's arms,[1] now they want to get rid of Justin Bieber on Twitter.[2] What is the world coming to! |
| 18:10.35 | Kraps | [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Obama%27s_arms |
| 18:10.37 | Kraps | [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Justin_Bieber_on_Twitter |
| 18:12.50 | Kraps | whats the stoy with her arms anyway |
| 18:13.43 | Adys | fucks fake |
| 18:13.53 | Adys | I cant find wireless drivers for windows for my laptop |
| 18:13.55 | Adys | http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/NP-R780-JT01US |
| 18:14.03 | Adys | these are supposed to be it but they simply dont work |
| 18:14.14 | haste | Things I've had to use several tries to get right lately: Installing Debian, Installing Windows 7 |
| 18:14.20 | haste | I hate both their installers equally now |
| 18:15.00 | Dagmar | Atheros chipset. |
| 18:15.09 | Dagmar | Fire generally fixes it pretty well. |
| 18:15.26 | Dagmar | Also, check the BIOS and make sure it's just not disabled in there (which it can be) |
| 18:15.32 | haste | Debian was mainly due to the stick dying |
| 18:15.39 | haste | Windows 7 due to it not being able to handle existing EFI boot |
| 18:15.41 | Dagmar | ...but otherwise, fire. |
| 18:16.03 | Adys | Dagmar: shouldnt be, it was still working before i wiped the drive clean and reinstalled windows |
| 18:16.27 | Dagmar | well, I'd say "it should be showing up in the list of pci devices" but then it's not like Windows has lspci |
| 18:16.34 | Arrowmaster | haste: whats wrong with the debian installer |
| 18:16.44 | Adys | Dagmar: windows has some kind of hardware manager |
| 18:16.52 | Adys | and i did see the wireless adapter there |
| 18:16.53 | haste | the partitioning thingy Arrowmaster |
| 18:16.56 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Trolls like to tell people how to install Debian with it by telling them apt-get install x |
| 18:17.03 | Dagmar | er xorg |
| 18:17.12 | Arrowmaster | haste: yes that is one of the areas that needs work |
| 18:17.23 | Arrowmaster | its probably the worst part of the installer |
| 18:17.32 | Dagmar | i.e., they tell people overly-literal things to make the installer give someone a system with X, and no apps or even a desktop environment. |
| 18:17.39 | haste | it should just ask me if I wanted to use {g,f}disk or not |
| 18:17.51 | Dagmar | Fuck partitioiins |
| 18:18.09 | Dagmar | Well, once we have something that can boot from LVM without a software engineering degree |
| 18:19.48 | clever | as long as you have a initrd with lvm tools and /boot outside lvm, i dont see what the problem is |
| 18:20.19 | Dagmar | I do. What the fuck did I just say |
| 18:20.25 | Dagmar | "boot from LVM" |
| 18:20.46 | Dagmar | Not "bootstrap from a partition" |
| 18:20.53 | clever | ah |
| 18:21.02 | Cairenn | temper temper Dagmar |
| 18:21.19 | Primer | I thought grub2 supported lvm now |
| 18:21.28 | Adys | it does |
| 18:21.33 | Kraps | ~wow |
| 18:21.33 | purl | hmm... wow is world of warcraft |
| 18:21.40 | Kraps | uh |
| 18:21.45 | Primer | well, there you go |
| 18:22.01 | Adys | LOL |
| 18:22.01 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/verizon-net-neutrality-violates-our-free-speech-rights/ |
| 18:22.01 | Dagmar | grub2 is about as far removed from simple as it gets |
| 18:22.07 | Adys | Jesus |
| 18:22.13 | Dagmar | You might as well be loading a microkernel just to load your damn kernel |
| 18:22.19 | Primer | sure |
| 18:22.23 | Primer | if that's what it takes |
| 18:22.24 | Dagmar | Actually, I think technically that might be _exactly_ what your'e doing |
| 18:22.24 | Gnarfoz | with grub2, you are :D |
| 18:22.33 | Dagmar | Fuck that. I'll stick with LILO |
| 18:22.47 | Gnarfoz | not to mention gummiboot, or, not entirely related, all these uefi secure boot ideas |
| 18:22.49 | Dagmar | it's "simple" for damn near all values of "simple" |
| 18:23.06 | nilyaK | my values of simple are red and black |
| 18:23.07 | Gnarfoz | select max(simple) from values? |
| 18:23.11 | Primer | motherboards should just come with a small flash area that allows you put grub2 onto it |
| 18:23.27 | Primer | it'd be like the poor man's open firmware |
| 18:23.28 | Dagmar | You know, I have to at least partially agree with that statement. |
| 18:23.28 | Kraps | shouldnt i be able to log into wow even though theres maintenance? |
| 18:23.40 | Dagmar | It's definitely a lot fucking easier to just boot from some small sdcard nowadays |
| 18:23.41 | clever | Primer: ive seen some tricks to boot from wifi, using the boot rom in a wired card |
| 18:23.55 | Gnarfoz | that's why servers have had sd card slots for years |
| 18:23.58 | clever | Primer: i dont see why you cant just burn grub to the wired cards rom, and then use it for the hdd instead |
| 18:24.01 | Arrowmaster | id rather have an sdcard on the mobo to put grub2 and my /boot on |
| 18:24.10 | Gnarfoz | (put hypervisor on that, yay, no stupid "boot hdd") |
| 18:24.18 | Primer | Dagmar: I've been booting my main desktop at home from an old usb stick that has grub2 on it |
| 18:24.22 | Primer | for years now |
| 18:24.30 | Dagmar | Oh I can believe it |
| 18:24.37 | Primer | Doesn't matter what disk dies, or if I swap disks out, I can always boot |
| 18:24.42 | Dagmar | My firewall is booting off an SDCard because I'm a combination of lazy and insane |
| 18:24.59 | Primer | the usb stick also has sysresccd on it so I can boot into that too |
| 18:25.13 | Dagmar | I couldn't find a 5200 RPM drive to replace the one in it when it died, but I *did* have an sdcard adapter that was about the same size |
| 18:25.23 | Primer | Dagmar: makes perfect sense |
| 18:25.33 | Dagmar | ...so, it's sort of stuck into the hole with some gaffer tape. |
| 18:26.19 | clever | my firewall is still on a random hdd i had laying arround, and half my disk space is eaten by my silly idea to store / in svn! |
| 18:26.37 | pompy | ~wowalert |
| 18:26.37 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 18:26.40 | pompy | Kraps: ^ ? |
| 18:26.56 | Primer | back in the day I used to buy PATA -> CF adapters so I could have a dedicated MBR on colo'd servers |
| 18:27.52 | Primer | boxes where disks were thrashing all day, every day, and having to be replaced more often than usual |
| 18:27.53 | Kraps | pompy, yeah but i thought you could at least get to the realm list, wow is saying my login info is wrong |
| 18:28.30 | cbreak | I boot from an SATA Solid State Drive |
| 18:28.38 | cbreak | probably a bit faster than a USB Stick :) |
| 18:29.00 | nilyaK | I am wearing cowboy boots, am I like the cool kids? :X |
| 18:29.03 | Primer | only thing I have on the usb stick is grub2 |
| 18:29.07 | cbreak | one of the more significant speed improving investments I did into my computer |
| 18:29.13 | Primer | so yes, you probably boot 1ms faster |
| 18:30.43 | Kraps | wtf i was entering my pw wrong |
| 18:30.48 | Primer | grub2 then chainloads to the boot record of the first partition on my SSD for windows, or just loads the kernel and initrd on the Linux partition of the SSD |
| 18:31.09 | Kraps | amazing that i can forget what it is WHEN I JUST ENTERED IT YESTERDAY |
| 18:31.34 | Primer | so the only speed difference between my machine booting and yours is the time it takes to load the grub2 shell from USB vs. what it would take from SSD |
| 18:32.02 | cbreak | there are more factors that are worth of consideration |
| 18:32.15 | Primer | negative |
| 18:32.49 | nilyaK | like the epeen factor, if you're a rock hard internet thug you can turn on your computer with your mind. |
| 18:32.58 | cbreak | not really |
| 18:33.13 | cbreak | more the device initialization order |
| 18:33.17 | Primer | speaking of epeen: http://ceregatti.org/download.old/images/bw.png |
| 18:33.26 | Primer | just got faster FIOS today |
| 18:33.35 | Primer | cbreak: I'll give you that |
| 18:33.47 | cbreak | neat |
| 18:33.53 | Primer | I'd guess that just having a USB stick in the box will slow down the entire boot process a bit |
| 18:34.04 | cbreak | I only get 7mbit up and 25 (of the promissed 100) mbit down |
| 18:34.33 | cbreak | if you have a PC with an old style BIOS, you probably have bigger problems |
| 18:35.01 | cbreak | (efficiency wise) |
| 18:35.05 | Primer | sure |
| 18:35.25 | nilyaK | like my single core 800mhz processor on my old desktop? |
| 18:36.04 | nilyaK | or my sexy ATI 3D RAGE Pro PCI card you're all jealous of, those 4mb graphics give me sweet starcraft I fun. |
| 18:37.20 | Dagmar | *hate* |
| 18:37.23 | nilyaK | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/6611452/World_of_Warcraft_10_Summer_Fire_Sale_%E2%80%93_This_Week_Only-7_3_2012 |
| 18:37.31 | Dagmar | There's one of those built into my firewall |
| 18:37.44 | Dagmar | The integrated ones are the dumbest piece of shit chipsets ever |
| 18:37.44 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
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| 18:38.48 | nilyaK | omg paid lunch |
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| 19:00.59 | Arrowmaster | hmm im about to get a streaming media device for another room in the house and probably have to start running something like ps3mediaserver anybody know about how good the wireless connection needs to be to stream reliably |
| 19:01.07 | Arrowmaster | im wondering if i should finally upgrade to an N router |
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| 19:01.55 | Gnarfoz | apropos media servers... I'm always a bit confused when I see clients that have "Media Center PC" in their http user-agent accessing our (pretty strictly) business website |
| 19:03.19 | Arrowmaster | either people around here keep changing the channel their routers are on or their routers are doing it automatically |
| 19:03.33 | Arrowmaster | 6 is actually mostly empty right now |
| 19:03.37 | Dagmar | Probably a bit of both |
| 19:03.50 | Dagmar | The only real problems come when some asshole wants to run a Tesla coil nearby |
| 19:04.26 | Arrowmaster | i walk to the front of the house and i start picking up somebodies network and -guest network |
| 19:05.23 | Gnarfoz | creating several networks has been a feature of wlan routers for a while now |
| 19:05.37 | Arrowmaster | neighbors used to be on 1 with me but are now on 11, i swear the network and -guest i get at the front of the house thats now on 1 used to be on 11 |
| 19:05.45 | Dagmar | N routers are going to have two sets of everything anyway, so they might as well |
| 19:05.59 | Gnarfoz | channel hopping to better utilize the tiny 2.4 GHz spectrum, a little less long, but also a while |
| 19:06.30 | foxlit | hm, I wish TextMate had a sensible system for viewing documentation alongside code. |
| 19:06.34 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: When you leave the setting on auto, they'll move around when they see congestion or high levels of noise |
| 19:06.36 | Gnarfoz | N routers "are going to"? N is the current generation, not the next. also there's no reason to assume N = multiple of anything |
| 19:06.42 | foxlit | curse you, IDE creep, curse you :( |
| 19:06.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: This is why it's problematic when there's a Tesla coil nearby |
| 19:07.01 | Dagmar | Granted, it's not the sort of thing _everyone_ has to deal with, but it happens. |
| 19:07.02 | Gnarfoz | moar tesla coils |
| 19:07.13 | Arrowmaster | im tempted to use channel 14 |
| 19:07.19 | Arrowmaster | even though im not supposed to |
| 19:07.20 | Dagmar | Bad idea, man. |
| 19:07.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the evil FCC goons are gonna getcha. |
| 19:07.32 | Dagmar | Unless you're in Japan |
| 19:07.59 | Gnarfoz | tinfoil hattery aside, you might actually be disturbing something else, depending on where you're at |
| 19:08.03 | Arrowmaster | what uses 2.484 ghz in the US |
| 19:09.13 | Gnarfoz | ask the FCC |
| 19:09.16 | Gnarfoz | (or wikipedia) |
| 19:09.29 | Gnarfoz | might be harmonics, too |
| 19:09.35 | Gnarfoz | or buffer |
| 19:10.30 | Tuller | waffles |
| 19:10.33 | Dagmar | More mobile stuff on the primary |
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| 19:11.09 | Dagmar | So, for about eight years Phreaknic has been at the same hotel, which we kitted out with multiple APs on each floor |
| 19:11.28 | Dagmar | All set to auto. Left alone, they generally work out which channels they can be on without interfering too much, all by themselves. |
| 19:11.38 | Dagmar | ...and then Phreaknic happens, and someone brings a big-ass Tesla coil. |
| 19:11.52 | Dagmar | Part of what makes the sparkly happen is a fairly high powered spark-gap generator |
| 19:11.59 | Dagmar | This thing emits BROAD SPECTRUM NOISE |
| 19:12.35 | Gnarfoz | BZZZZ |
| 19:12.50 | clever | i can see how something like that would just jam everything in range, but it should recover as soon as they shut it off |
| 19:12.52 | Gnarfoz | bring some shielded cables, yo :D |
| 19:13.00 | Dagmar | So... Suddenly every AP from the ground floor to about the sixth starts seeing shitloads of interference on it's channel. They start frequency-shopping and go to another channel... Nope. Noise there too, so they mark them both bad, and continue until they are ALL marked bad |
| 19:13.09 | Dagmar | They *stay* marked bad for some time. |
| 19:13.10 | Arrowmaster | thing it worth it to upgrade from a WRT54GL running tomato to a http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0058NN6CS running OpenWRT |
| 19:13.35 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a firmware hack waiting to happen (lowering the "bad" timelimit) |
| 19:13.38 | Dagmar | So in a matter of mere seconds, that Tesla coil can tank every AP in the building for five minutes. |
| 19:13.41 | clever | sounds more like bugs in the auto channel code, leaving itself with no good channel |
| 19:13.55 | Dagmar | clever: There _is no_ good channel |
| 19:14.04 | clever | yeah, but it shouldnt stay dead for 5 minutes |
| 19:14.19 | clever | it should just give up and try to function on a bad channel |
| 19:14.23 | Dagmar | It takes that long for that many APs to stop interfering with each other again and sort the shit out |
| 19:14.24 | clever | or keep hoping until things work |
| 19:14.37 | Dagmar | Three on each floor, man |
| 19:14.41 | nevcairiel | just go 5Ghz, plenty of good channels |
| 19:15.03 | nevcairiel | because noone uses it :p |
| 19:15.06 | Dagmar | It took us awhile to get the place kitted out to that degree on almost no budget |
| 19:15.11 | clever | Dagmar: are they actualy picking the same channel after the noise ended, or did they just internaly blacklist every channel for 5mins? |
| 19:15.21 | Dagmar | clever: Go look it up |
| 19:15.24 | Gnarfoz | like that's going to help with "tesla coils" (which is not really a relevant thing to take into account, unless you're named like my mom) |
| 19:15.35 | Dagmar | Massive thunderstorms can have the same effect |
| 19:15.44 | Dagmar | Both are pretty unique events |
| 19:16.06 | Dagmar | Shitty microwave ovens are *far* more common |
| 19:16.14 | Dagmar | Also, old people with their damn cordless phones. |
| 19:16.23 | clever | my microwave is 25 years old, and right beside the AP |
| 19:16.30 | clever | ive never had signal problems when its running |
| 19:16.47 | Gnarfoz | it's not about old microwaves, it's about shitty ones |
| 19:16.51 | Dagmar | Congratulations you have a decently shielded microwave |
| 19:17.00 | Gnarfoz | (thankfully, not a problem in 1st world countries) |
| 19:17.05 | clever | maybe they dont make them like they used to then |
| 19:17.25 | nevcairiel | when microwaves were relatively new, everyone was scared of them so they shielded them more :p |
| 19:17.27 | Dagmar | I'm trying to explain the cases were setting the channel to 'auto' can fail, not explain why the hell your house isn't burning down |
| 19:17.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not really |
| 19:18.19 | clever | it sounds like either 20 devices on auto, after solid jamming, are all picking the same channel and interferring with eachother |
| 19:18.28 | clever | or a firmware bug blacklists every channel as noisy, and it winds up with no valid choice |
| 19:18.35 | Dagmar | It sounds like you're not paying attention. |
| 19:18.38 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 19:18.50 | Gnarfoz | he already explained exactly what happens (it's close to the second thing you said) |
| 19:18.54 | Unkle | I'm just laughing because the issue is that someone brought a Tesla Coil…. which by natue are AWESOME. |
| 19:19.02 | Dagmar | If they were nailed to particular channels, they'd just suck it up and not do anything. |
| 19:19.14 | mckenziemc | zaps Unkle. |
| 19:19.20 | Unkle | AGAIN! |
| 19:19.20 | Dagmar | Bursts of noise wouldn't be a problem longer than the noise goes on. |
| 19:19.23 | Unkle | DO IT AGAIN! |
| 19:19.25 | clever | it should do that in the end if auto blacklists every channel |
| 19:19.34 | Gnarfoz | should'a would'a |
| 19:19.36 | Dagmar | it should do _what_ |
| 19:19.50 | clever | continue to TRY to function on ANY channel |
| 19:19.59 | Gnarfoz | you realize he's just talking about what IS the situation, you seem intent into making it into more than that :p |
| 19:20.00 | Dagmar | Why. |
| 19:20.01 | clever | rather then blacklist EVERY channel and give up completely for 5mins |
| 19:20.15 | Dagmar | clever: *all* channels were too full of noise to be usable. |
| 19:20.30 | clever | yes, but it should recover faster when the noise goes away |
| 19:20.30 | Dagmar | Ther'es little point in continuing to scan endlessly |
| 19:20.34 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: he's right, it should just keep trying, there's no reason to stop |
| 19:20.37 | clever | it shouldnt stay dead for 5 mins |
| 19:20.44 | Gnarfoz | or not 5 freaking minutes :p |
| 19:21.11 | Gnarfoz | it's not like the device is going to be exhausted from all the pointless trying. it's a machine :P |
| 19:21.12 | Dagmar | Well, feel free to tell that to the IEEE |
| 19:21.22 | Gnarfoz | doubt that's part of any standard. |
| 19:21.31 | clever | if all channels are bad, 'un-bad' the channel that has the oldest data, and just keep trying |
| 19:21.56 | Dagmar | Considering how often such an event occurs, why would they give a shit |
| 19:22.06 | Dagmar | this isn't much different from the leap-second problem. |
| 19:22.07 | Adys | hey Dagmar |
| 19:22.09 | Adys | did you see this |
| 19:22.10 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/verizon-net-neutrality-violates-our-free-speech-rights/ |
| 19:22.23 | Dagmar | 99% of people in 99% of cases, do not give one solitary shit if their clock is off by one second. |
| 19:23.19 | Dagmar | Adys: It's one of the most retarded things I've seen anyone bring to court |
| 19:23.35 | Dagmar | Adys: If Verizon is the speaker, they are seriously pissing away any and all common carrier protections. |
| 19:23.49 | Dagmar | If they're not the speaker, then first amendment protections do NOT apply to their "speech" |
| 19:24.20 | Dagmar | It's just another incredibly stsupid argument lawyers are making so that the lobbyists don't have to tell their shills "just sign it" |
| 19:24.58 | Dagmar | I know what will fix this shit tho |
| 19:25.25 | Dagmar | Everyone can just drop their peering agreement with Verizon and start micromanaging their interconnects, billing by the kilobit. |
| 19:25.36 | Dagmar | We'll see how long their shit lasts. |
| 19:26.02 | Dagmar | Basically it's what they begging to have happen to them. |
| 19:26.06 | Dagmar | er they are |
| 19:26.17 | Dagmar | No more free transit for Verizon. Simple and done. |
| 19:26.20 | Adys | america, land of the free until you hit the cap |
| 19:26.43 | Adys | no offense. |
| 19:26.49 | Dagmar | ...and when Verizon exceeds their usage caps, they should be throttled back to 2kbps, nationwide. |
| 19:26.49 | Adys | Dagmar: btw, the server went down again, at this very moment in syslog: |
| 19:26.49 | Adys | Jul 3 06:25:06 ubuntu rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.2.0" x-pid="649" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'. |
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| 19:27.36 | Adys | i googled a bit and i have a feeling its related to the machine using a fuckingold version of ubuntu |
| 19:27.42 | Adys | but theres no way to upgrade it |
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| 19:28.00 | Adys | so Im running some severe backups atm |
| 19:28.05 | Dagmar | Are you sure there's not something else showing in the logs? |
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| 19:28.18 | Dagmar | If syslogd got a _signal_ to shutdown, that wasn't some unexpected and sudden crash |
| 19:28.26 | Dagmar | That was at least partially a clean shutdown |
| 19:28.35 | Adys | Dagmar: i think it might be a cronjob causing it |
| 19:28.42 | Adys | because its at the exact same time as the day beforew |
| 19:29.14 | Unkle | Actually, there's a bit of a "disconnect" here that carriers who own network infrastructure are dealing with. They built, own, maintain all that harware. They rightfully expect to reap some benefit, and would like to make some money. Being told "Fuck you, carry anything and everything no matter what" makes them lose money they feel they could make. So they fight back on every pretext. |
| 19:29.37 | Unkle | The disconnet is that we treat common carrier property like it is common property when it isn't. |
| 19:29.41 | Dagmar | unkle: They're just being ridiculously greedy is all |
| 19:29.58 | Dagmar | They want to get paid multiple times for doing work once, pure and simple. |
| 19:30.05 | Unkle | There needs to be a nice, comfy middle ground where they can profit from their investment, and everyone can get the data they want. |
| 19:30.48 | foxlit | People of the internet, does the following sentence look right to you: |
| 19:30.50 | foxlit | "The Closed Beta started the 30 June 2010." |
| 19:30.52 | Dagmar | They're looking to get the go ahead to start telling people with deep pockets that they need some money paid directly to Verizon, or Verizon will starve their users by QoSing them into the basement |
| 19:30.53 | Unkle | We've been fighting this particular battle since the telephone was invented. We still haven't worked it all out yet. The internet just makes it more obvious. |
| 19:31.14 | Dagmar | If they wanted a "middle ground" they'd be just charging people by the kilobyte and calling it done |
| 19:31.27 | Dagmar | Oh wait... they're *already* charging a shitload of money on a per-use basis |
| 19:31.50 | Dagmar | foxlit: It's not even close to correct grammar. |
| 19:31.56 | sylvanaar_work | all i can say is "SMS" |
| 19:32.11 | Unkle | Dagmar: Yeah, and how long will you be happy with a "per kilobyte" fee on your network traffic? Look how we all chafe at caps on cellular and internet plans already. |
| 19:32.25 | Adys | sylvanaar_work: this must be a US thing |
| 19:32.39 | Dagmar | Unkle: Yes, because then it's very obvious they're charging a ludicrous rate, which means we can easily compare them to their competitors |
| 19:32.44 | Unkle | SMS is a huge mark up. |
| 19:32.45 | Adys | in pretty much every EU country, hell even greece, SMS are free with contract now |
| 19:33.01 | sylvanaar_work | they started out free here |
| 19:33.09 | sylvanaar_work | because they cost the carriers nothing |
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| 19:33.14 | Unkle | Adys: Here, SMS is usually "free" with certain plans. |
| 19:33.14 | Adys | well they started out with a huge markup at first |
| 19:33.20 | Dagmar | Technically SMS might as well be dark fiber traffic. |
| 19:33.21 | Adys | but they ended up being free |
| 19:33.25 | Dagmar | It's lowest-priority traffic |
| 19:33.40 | sylvanaar_work | noone actually talks on their phone anymore anyways |
| 19:33.53 | Adys | the ONLY situation SMS are not free is when you are on a non-inclusive pay to go contract |
| 19:33.57 | Dagmar | Every single other type of signaling takes priority over SMS, and the telcos have no problems saying "You didn't get your SMS? Oh well." |
| 19:34.29 | Unkle | I pay a $20 US premium for "unlimited" SMS use. Because the $0.10/SMS fee abouve 200 was insanely more expensive. And BOTH are far in excess of actual cost by huge factors. |
| 19:34.35 | Adys | jesus mate |
| 19:34.45 | sylvanaar_work | thats retarded |
| 19:35.05 | Unkle | Yeah, but try explaining that to chicks I was dating who thought TXTs were awesome. |
| 19:35.17 | Adys | i pay £10 ($17) for 400 minutes of call, unlimited sms, unlimited call within network, low-taxed international calls and 3 gigabytes of data |
| 19:35.23 | sylvanaar_work | well as long as you were getting something out of it |
| 19:35.42 | sylvanaar_work | i have the 250MB data plan |
| 19:35.51 | Adys | for unlimited data its like £5 more |
| 19:35.57 | Adys | but i dont actually use it since im always home |
| 19:36.08 | sylvanaar_work | same here im either at home or the office |
| 19:37.17 | Adys | the nice thing in the UK is carrier prices keep going down |
| 19:37.33 | Dagmar | I would dearly love to see Verizon lose their peering agreements |
| 19:37.39 | Dagmar | It would be freaking hilarious |
| 19:37.42 | Arrowmaster | i switched to only using my google voice number and told everybody to update their numbers so i would only get TXT messages on my google voice number since they are free |
| 19:37.55 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/top-eu-court-upholds-right-to-resell-downloaded-software |
| 19:38.06 | Arrowmaster | but some companies wont accept my gvoice number as a mobile number because they detect it as a voip number |
| 19:38.08 | Unkle | I pay for a grandfathered "All I can eat" data plan on AT&T for $30, $30 for my basic plan (400 min, free nights/weekend, unlimited calls to same network) and then add my SMS thing on top of it. |
| 19:38.26 | Unkle | So yes, US carriers are expensive. |
| 19:38.29 | Adys | funny thing about "all you can eat" |
| 19:38.31 | cbreak | what's so bad about voip numbers? |
| 19:38.37 | Adys | I can eat quite a fucking lot |
| 19:38.41 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: my AT&T plan is so old i dont have free nights/weekend or unlimited in network calls |
| 19:38.46 | Dagmar | Yeah but your'e unlikely to be eating it 24/7 |
| 19:38.52 | sylvanaar_work | that att plan is really capped at 3G |
| 19:39.01 | Dagmar | Shit like that is why the internet runs on peering agreements and 90th percentile billing |
| 19:39.02 | Adys | O2 wasn't happy to find me downloading 50 gigabytes back when they were on AYCE |
| 19:39.19 | Unkle | Adys: They killed those data plans. I'm grandfathered. And if I go over 3gb, they'll throttle me into hell. |
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| 19:39.48 | Adys | Unkle: O2 killed those plans too here, but Three has been doing them ever since |
| 19:39.49 | sylvanaar_work | i really dont use over 250, so i do actually save money |
| 19:39.53 | Adys | and they've gotten better at it |
| 19:40.00 | Adys | i switched to Three as soon as my contract ended |
| 19:40.12 | Arrowmaster | last year i got a $25 for 2gb a month data plan, now it doesnt exist and a $30 for 3gb does |
| 19:40.14 | Adys | they're a lot cheaper so |
| 19:40.17 | Dagmar | We can be dicks and micro-manage accounting of bandwidth, and generally spend twice as much time tracking where every byte went than it took to send it, or... we can continue to use peering agreements and generally get shit done |
| 19:40.30 | Unkle | I rarely actually use 3GB of 3G data, but on the occasions when I need it… it's been very, very handy. |
| 19:41.00 | Adys | Unkle: aye. O2 actually has a nice service if you dont use their data plan at all |
| 19:41.08 | Arrowmaster | speaking of micro-manage account of bandwidth, att stopped sending detailed bills in the mail but you can get it online as a pdf now, the pdf has every fucking data usage in it, it was like 3 pages long |
| 19:41.26 | Adys | you can still go on their network, and you pay by the megabyte *up to £1* for a day |
| 19:41.33 | Adys | so you get unlimited data for 1 day for £1 |
| 19:41.46 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: the only reason i got the 2g instead of the 250mb was the rate they charge if you go over |
| 19:41.50 | Adys | or, if you just need to check your email, you pay like a couple pence |
| 19:41.51 | cbreak | 3 pages? That's maybe downloading a web page with adds, once |
| 19:42.17 | Dagmar | Adys: They're being reasonable |
| 19:42.23 | Adys | aye |
| 19:42.33 | Dagmar | Verizon, on the other hand, is like many companies. They have no interest in being reasonable. |
| 19:42.42 | Adys | "Reasonable" is pretty much a good subtitle for the whole country here |
| 19:42.45 | Unkle | When I travel, or when I visit places I don't go often, I tend to use a lot of data for maps. |
| 19:42.45 | Dagmar | They have a particular dollar figure in mind for every transaction. |
| 19:42.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive gone over 250mb a month yet on my plan but ive been close every month |
| 19:43.03 | Dagmar | Anything that is worth less than that dollar figure, they're still going to try to get that dollar figure for. |
| 19:43.09 | sylvanaar_work | yeah it is dumb if you are on teh 250 plan they bill you again for another 250 instead of just charging you the difference to go to the next tier |
| 19:43.14 | Adys | Unkle: same here pretty much, although google's map caching helps a lot |
| 19:43.15 | Unkle | The funny thing is, I stay generally in a wifi saturated area. |
| 19:43.19 | Adys | I have all of Leicester on my phone |
| 19:43.41 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar_work: yeah my plan is just $10 per additional 1gb which i find reasonable |
| 19:43.56 | Dagmar | The problem is that the "We don't do deals for less than X" method bursts and spills everywhere the moment it encounters what little effort it takes nowadays to punt a kilobyte of data through the air |
| 19:43.58 | cbreak | that sounds expensive |
| 19:44.15 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, if i were out more doing stuff that needed data i would have that plan |
| 19:44.37 | Adys | Dagmar: this server is such a fucking piece of shit :( I have to upgrade it from apache to nginx, from ubuntu natty to ubuntu precise, from django 0.9 to django 1.4, from mysql to postgresql, all the while conserving configuration and data that includes like 10 domain names running |
| 19:44.40 | Adys | wtf am I supposed to do here |
| 19:45.02 | Arrowmaster | nuke it from orbit |
| 19:45.10 | Arrowmaster | its the only way |
| 19:45.32 | Adys | also |
| 19:45.41 | Adys | what the hell is happening with my virtualenvs locallyu |
| 19:45.52 | Adys | sylvanaar_work: you might know |
| 19:45.57 | Dagmar | About half of those things I don't really think are upgrades |
| 19:46.13 | sylvanaar_work | i dont know. |
| 19:46.17 | Adys | Im in a virtualenv, and when I use pip/pip2 it tries to install systemwide and complains about permissions |
| 19:46.30 | Adys | sylvanaar_work: er, I think i meant nevcairiel |
| 19:46.51 | End_ | when you say you're in it, you sourced the activate script? |
| 19:46.56 | Adys | yes |
| 19:46.58 | Fisker | hey |
| 19:47.13 | End_ | hm, I've never seen it fail in that way |
| 19:47.28 | Unkle | away - fooding |
| 19:47.43 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2065242 |
| 19:47.47 | Adys | End_: ^ |
| 19:48.09 | Fisker | man cbreak |
| 19:48.11 | Fisker | i'm fucking rich |
| 19:48.23 | Fisker | when i get to resell all of my steam games |
| 19:48.37 | End_ | what does "which pip" tell you? (just to really make sure activate is working properly) |
| 19:48.40 | End_ | or which pip2 |
| 19:48.54 | End_ | (what is pip2?) |
| 19:48.55 | Fisker | i can finally sell all of my bundle games too |
| 19:49.01 | Adys | End_: pip2 is pip for python2 |
| 19:49.07 | Adys | pip is python3 on my distro |
| 19:49.14 | End_ | what version of python is your virtualenv for? |
| 19:49.17 | End_ | python2 as well? |
| 19:49.19 | Adys | python2 |
| 19:49.24 | End_ | just say pip then |
| 19:49.27 | End_ | the PATH gets overriden |
| 19:49.48 | End_ | or should I think if I understand what virtualenv is doing |
| 19:50.01 | End_ | or |
| 19:50.08 | Adys | pip just fails with python3 syntax errors |
| 19:50.15 | End_ | /path/to/promo/bin/pip |
| 19:50.35 | End_ | whatever your promo virtualenv path is |
| 19:50.49 | Adys | hm |
| 19:50.53 | Adys | think you might be right |
| 19:50.54 | Adys | sec |
| 19:51.00 | Adys | oh |
| 19:51.09 | Adys | virtualenvwrapper i used is for python3 |
| 19:51.10 | Adys | sec |
| 19:51.24 | End_ | I've never used virtualenvwrapper |
| 19:52.01 | End_ | but I'm guessing maybe this means your created virtual env is for the wrong version of python? |
| 19:52.29 | Adys | it means the virtualenv was for python3 yea |
| 19:52.33 | End_ | well |
| 19:52.36 | Adys | i created a python2 one now |
| 19:52.42 | End_ | that would explain it! |
| 19:52.45 | Adys | ah yes, it works |
| 19:52.49 | Adys | thanks :) |
| 19:52.50 | End_ | yay! |
| 19:52.50 | End_ | np |
| 19:54.19 | Adys | jesus |
| 19:54.33 | Adys | all the files have windows newlines |
| 19:54.34 | Adys | just... die |
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| 19:59.18 | Adys | Dagmar: by the way, telnet didnt work on the machine |
| 19:59.22 | Adys | also |
| 19:59.31 | Adys | (it timed out) any idea wtf this is? http://paste2.org/p/2064933 |
| 19:59.41 | Adys | it was in iptables-save. This is after a reboot: http://paste2.org/p/2064943 |
| 20:00.09 | Arrowmaster | its your iptables rules |
| 20:00.14 | Adys | I know it is |
| 20:00.34 | Adys | I meant "any idea if those rules look awful" |
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| 20:08.08 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 20:08.34 | Gnarfoz | can GetAddOnMetadata no longer access "X-anything" TOC fields? |
| 20:08.53 | Adys | Gnarfoz: yeah, told Iriel about it the other day, said he was gonna look into it |
| 20:08.59 | Gnarfoz | oh, ok |
| 20:09.11 | Gnarfoz | (is he still involved in Blizzard's internal UI dev? o_O) |
| 20:10.47 | Fisker | fuck my life :( |
| 20:10.57 | Gnarfoz | let me guess, I can't vote on beta bug forum threads |
| 20:10.58 | Fisker | i got 1Gbit fiber going past me like 10-20 meters from here |
| 20:11.03 | Fisker | or will have in a few months |
| 20:11.17 | Fisker | but they still won't offer it to private citizens |
| 20:11.18 | Gnarfoz | 1st world problems |
| 20:11.19 | Fisker | dicks |
| 20:11.34 | Fisker | so first world Gnarfoz |
| 20:11.34 | Gnarfoz | yep, can't do anything :( US/EU forum split ftl |
| 20:11.40 | foxlit | Fisker: why have you not started Evil Inc yet? |
| 20:11.57 | Fisker | Is it a parody on google? |
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| 20:16.35 | SinusPi | Hi guis. (When I wrote that typo it looked too good to fix it.) Is there a known list of Pandaria beta UI changes, that addons need to adapt to..? |
| 20:17.10 | Unkle | http://bit.ly/GMjEVC |
| 20:17.27 | foxlit | SinusPi: http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.0.1/API_changes |
| 20:17.33 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:18.35 | Ackis | hi |
| 20:18.51 | Fisker | you're not the one spamming me with shitty indie bundles gifts are you? |
| 20:18.59 | Ackis | no |
| 20:20.11 | Fisker | damnit |
| 20:20.16 | Ackis | y? |
| 20:20.23 | Fisker | no |
| 20:20.35 | Fisker | someone calling himself Jonny Cappuccino is sending me free games |
| 20:20.36 | Fisker | that jerk |
| 20:20.42 | Ackis | that a bad thing? |
| 20:20.59 | Fisker | yep |
| 20:21.04 | SinusPi | Thanks foxlit |
| 20:21.13 | F16Gaming | why complain about free stuff :o |
| 20:21.20 | Fisker | why not? |
| 20:21.26 | F16Gaming | :/ |
| 20:21.49 | mikma | ahhahahaha |
| 20:21.53 | mikma | fisker has a gaylover |
| 20:22.38 | Fisker | better than a straight lover |
| 20:22.39 | Kalroth | awwwww, so you're finally coming out, Fisker |
| 20:23.04 | Fisker | that would be extremely weird to be courted by someone who is straight |
| 20:23.35 | mikma | fisker's favorite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-tn_8N-Ow |
| 20:23.56 | Fisker | no it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI8s0H31ys |
| 20:24.42 | mikma | still watching the one i linked |
| 20:24.59 | Fisker | the one i linked is better |
| 20:25.16 | mikma | can't say, cause this is still going |
| 20:25.24 | mikma | aahaa ye-eeeh |
| 20:26.18 | Ackis | everyone, Minecraft is on steam, fisker said so |
| 20:26.43 | Fisker | ok |
| 20:31.07 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yY4PiQ22AA&feature=related |
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| 20:33.12 | Arrowmaster | http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/03/halo-4-requires-at-least-8gb-flash-drive-hard-drive-recommen/ |
| 20:33.23 | Arrowmaster | this is why the 4gb console is stupid |
| 20:33.49 | Arrowmaster | so many games require an actual harddrive to work |
| 20:34.01 | sylvanaar_work | I bought it as a media extender |
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| 20:34.34 | sylvanaar_work | since it is the only one you can buy still |
| 20:34.35 | Arrowmaster | bit expensive for that but at least you can play some games |
| 20:34.41 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 20:34.55 | sylvanaar_work | i can play some games too, and get netflix |
| 20:35.06 | Arrowmaster | but buying it as a serious gaming console, you shouldnt buy the 4gb one |
| 20:35.07 | sylvanaar_work | i have one with an HD in my living room |
| 20:35.52 | sylvanaar_work | i honestly can barely play my consoles anymore they feel so dated |
| 20:36.47 | sylvanaar_work | i bought a wired xbox controller for my pc so I can play the bad ports on it |
| 20:37.18 | Arrowmaster | i was trying to play deus ex hr earlier but my ocd for achievements takes the fun out of it |
| 20:37.30 | sylvanaar_work | i never finished it |
| 20:37.39 | sylvanaar_work | like all my other games |
| 20:37.46 | Arrowmaster | i reload everytime i get spotted so im not getting very far |
| 20:37.52 | sylvanaar_work | haha |
| 20:37.52 | F16Gaming | i got through the whole game only to realise i missed one side-mission |
| 20:38.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Nothing says you have to leave witnesses, or is that part of the achievement? |
| 20:38.47 | Arrowmaster | the dont get spotted achievement and no kill achievement |
| 20:38.48 | mikma | last of the night |
| 20:38.51 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXa-QDvxacw&hd=1 |
| 20:39.25 | F16Gaming | you can do non-lethal takeout (quick F, stun gun, tranqualizer(sp)) and get no-kill achiev |
| 20:39.27 | batbot | F16Gaming, tranquilizer. |
| 20:39.31 | F16Gaming | thank you batbot :P |
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| 20:51.33 | Arrowmaster | should i try it? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749045 |
| 20:53.35 | Sintacks | god damnit. why does blizzard have to do a sale when I don't have any money |
| 20:54.09 | Sintacks | second account up to cata for $20 would be nice |
| 20:56.27 | TC-Work | stop having no money |
| 20:56.51 | TC-Work | just wait till steam does their sale, then you will really be anoyed. |
| 20:56.58 | Adys | Sintacks: EU? |
| 20:56.59 | Sintacks | i don't have steam |
| 20:57.01 | Sintacks | US |
| 20:57.27 | Adys | Sintacks: you get free cata with a scroll of rez |
| 20:57.39 | Sintacks | second account isn't eligible |
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| 21:32.25 | F16Gaming | TC-Work: speaking of steam, any idea when the summer sale begins? |
| 21:33.12 | F16Gaming | *dies 5mins before next pull* *next pull* "WTF HEALER" |
| 21:34.04 | Sintacks | steam summer sale will not happen this year. it's a bunch of hype for when, and then finally, HL3 comes out, for free |
| 21:34.15 | Sintacks | oh, and it doesn't suck |
| 21:36.07 | Sintacks | i bet the beta crashes if i try to login with all my addons enabled. |
| 21:38.27 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/FEjH >:D |
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| 21:49.50 | Unkle | Haha… I love ithis exchenage: email 1: Do we have any "X" for check out? email 1 resopnse: Yes, we do. email 2: How do I check out "X"? |
| 22:01.12 | Sintacks | lawl. you crash if you try to learn dual spec, when you already have it. |
| 22:06.51 | Adys | Sintacks: aye. |
| 22:06.59 | Adys | also |
| 22:07.15 | Adys | could anyone recommend dedicated server hosts? |
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| 22:08.52 | Adys | i only use linodes but a vps isnt an option |
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| 22:12.40 | Gnarfoz | pretty satisfied with my Hetzner box, but I've not used them for anything professional (nor any other hoster, for that matter) |
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| 22:13.51 | Adys | im hearing and seeing a lot of good about hostgator |
| 22:13.56 | Adys | but fuck knows if i can trust any of it |
| 22:14.47 | Gnarfoz | that's always the crux, isn't it |
| 22:14.53 | Unkle | hostgator.com? |
| 22:15.09 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:15.14 | Adys | im also not seeing any european server |
| 22:15.19 | Unkle | They're local to me. |
| 22:15.33 | Gnarfoz | do you want european? or US, or siberia |
| 22:15.34 | Unkle | They're a pretty decent bunch of fellows, but I don't have anything hosted with them. |
| 22:15.43 | Adys | actually US |
| 22:16.02 | Adys | Unkle: does that mean you can punch them in the face for me if they fuck up |
| 22:16.24 | Unkle | Well, I could drive to their building and piss on their front door, but you have to put up bail money. |
| 22:16.46 | Unkle | They sponsor several local "tech" raido shows. |
| 22:16.49 | Adys | Fine, I'll ask my client to pay me back then. |
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| 22:43.04 | SinusPi | I pestered you once, I shall pester you again... The API changes were very helpful indeed, but now I wonder - is there a list of widget API changes available as well? |
| 22:44.00 | foxlit | no. |
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| 22:45.45 | foxlit | But you may enjoy frame:RegisterUnitEvent("event", "unit1", "unit2", "unit3", ...) |
| 22:46.01 | End_ | whoa |
| 22:46.06 | End_ | I like that |
| 23:00.02 | kd3 | Arrowmaster, hahaha |
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| 23:22.36 | Arrowmaster | well that was weird, i couldnt access my desktop from my phone and found out it was because the phone was using 8.8.8.8 for dns instead of my router, so i switched on airplane mode and back off and it fixed itself |
| 23:23.51 | Arrowmaster | turning off wifi and it starts using some 172.16. dns server which would be att's so what triggered it to use 8.8.8.8 in the first place |
| 23:24.02 | Amarande | huh. AT&T doesn't let you use Google DNS? |
| 23:25.02 | Arrowmaster | they probably do but im just going by what nslookup on the phone was using |
| 23:25.36 | Arrowmaster | guessing 8.8.8.8 is hardcoded as the fallback if it isnt told otherwise to use a different dns |
| 23:25.49 | Amarande | Though speaking of DNS servers I'm still not sure why my Belkin router isn't letting me set the router to have Google's DNS servers to be given out in DHCP |
| 23:26.12 | Gnarfoz | that'd be pretty crazy, considering the implications |
| 23:26.21 | Amarande | If I let it be stuck with Charter's DNS servers, it works. If I try to set Google's DNS servers, it ends up causing the Internet to be Not Connected |
| 23:26.38 | Gnarfoz | it should fail to do DNS resolution if it isn't told to use a specific DNS, like any other device |
| 23:26.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: most home routers dont, they give out their own ip to clients via dhcp and run a dns proxy that forwards requests to what you set in the router |
| 23:28.13 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: the old Linksys let you set DNS servers of your choice, which would be forwarded to clients that used DHCP |
| 23:29.04 | Amarande | the Belkin ostensibly lets you set DNS servers of your choice, *but*, if you do set them, it no longer connects properly to the Internet until you change it back to automatically accepting the ISP's DHCP-sent DNS servers. |
| 23:29.20 | Amarande | In either case, I can still set DNS servers statically on an individual PC, though. |
| 23:35.24 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: are you sure its the router and not the ISP |
| 23:38.30 | Amarande | Arrow: on the Linksys you could set OpenDNS or Google DNS and it wouldn't lose its connection to the ISP |
| 23:38.53 | Amarande | Interestingly, also, the Belkin's *only* configuration options for the "Dynamic" Internet section appears to be the DNS servers |
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| 23:45.34 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/vzvla/linux_box_crashed_after_being_up_for_136_years/c5939da?context=2 |
| 23:45.44 | Arrowmaster | i know said drive probably doesnt exist but its still funny |
| 23:45.59 | kd3 | hah |
| 23:46.46 | Arrowmaster | 15k rpm at 2inch radius works out the same |
| 23:46.54 | Arrowmaster | which is still lightly too large |
| 23:47.03 | Arrowmaster | do they make drives faster than 15k? |
| 23:47.08 | A-KO | ssd? |
| 23:47.17 | A-KO | I think 15K is the upper limit I've seen on rotational drives |
| 23:47.21 | kd3 | ^ |
| 23:49.34 | Amarande | you can't go faster than a certain rotational speed |
| 23:49.42 | Amarande | otherwise, you run into relatives of the "exploding CD" problem |
