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| 00:12.43 | mckenziemc | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f495cfe1af53fabbb56d772d5153ba2e.png |
| 00:12.54 | mckenziemc | pidgin is happy to see fisker |
| 00:20.39 | Thunder_Child | it's the only thig |
| 00:20.42 | Thunder_Child | thing* |
| 00:23.51 | Kaylin | ipv6 is too |
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| 00:52.15 | Cairenn | Thrae: ping? |
| 00:52.17 | kd3 | sad OP, hilarious comments (trying to make the OP feel better): http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/v7311/update_my_husband_is_a_gaming_nerd_and_i_want_to/ |
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| 01:02.01 | foxlit | hm, getting mildly proficient at farming act 2 |
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| 01:06.52 | harl | i don't like how my fps drop from 40+ to 10 when i enter the caldeum/act 2 sewers/aqueducts |
| 01:16.04 | Sintacks | blu tweets too much |
| 01:16.33 | Sintacks | harl, that's like my 60 fps in DS ... until combat and then i have 10. if i'm lucky |
| 01:16.48 | foxlit | harl: what bugs me more about the aqueducts is all those narrow hallways combined with mobs that tend to swarm you. |
| 01:17.17 | foxlit | so screw them, outdoor areas all the way. Oasis + Road to Alcarnus backwards is nice before heading to Kuule. |
| 01:18.09 | harl | i see. got no problem killing stuff though, only moving in sloooow moootioonnn is rather tedious |
| 01:18.41 | foxlit | There are combinations of mob types and affixes that I just can't kill. |
| 01:20.57 | foxlit | betrayed anything are a pain, for instance -- they're too in-your-face-and-mauling-you. |
| 01:39.00 | harl | true. and while most of the time i tend to rush into combat and just smash everything around me, i try to avoid certain combinations of affixes.. |
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| 02:37.12 | pompy | harl: wait til you get in tyhe Hell rifts in Act 4 |
| 02:41.06 | harl | ^^ |
| 02:41.25 | harl | been in hell with my wizard |
| 02:42.05 | harl | not quite there with my barbarian yet |
| 02:43.02 | pompy | when you enter the hell rifts,, it lags to shit! |
| 02:43.54 | Amarande | ugh, I am totally lost on my mage now |
| 02:43.55 | harl | i experienced no lags in act 4 though |
| 02:44.00 | Amarande | apparently, I went on hiatus from WoW with an empty quest log |
| 02:44.06 | Amarande | and now I can't remember exactly what I was doing when I did |
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| 02:54.26 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 02:54.36 | Amarande | are frost and fire considered suboptimal specs now? |
| 02:54.42 | Amarande | EJ only has a thread for arcane atm. :| |
| 03:13.15 | Amarande | also: exactly which of Fonter's various font settings actually controls the achievement window? |
| 03:13.36 | Amarande | Apparently some or other setting is causing the text in it to be unreadably tiny |
| 03:13.50 | Amarande | I found the setting that was making quest log text tiny, but I can't find the corresponding setting for the Achievements |
| 03:28.18 | Amarande | ah, there we go |
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| 04:33.47 | Arrowmaster | it had been the same for over a month and now you finally change it |
| 04:38.07 | Kaylin | so how does xrealm stuff work in respect to farming old world zones for old world mats, will they just be totally packed? |
| 04:38.09 | Thunder_Child | Alestane is worth it, it would seem |
| 04:39.02 | Thunder_Child | as far as i can tell, xrealm is to keep it from being baren, not over-crowded. |
| 04:40.17 | Kaylin | I hope so but thinking about say stilithus, nobody quests there; they do ramps/hfp, cenarion circle rep is trivial, the main draw is the essences of air off the dust stormers - though that was severely nerfed in Cata. |
| 04:40.30 | Kaylin | I can't see people like, being there for anything else, it's got to be crowded |
| 04:41.00 | Kaylin | wonder considering the use of dungeon finder will places like netherwing ledge and skettis see similar problems |
| 04:41.46 | Thunder_Child | wasnt the idea of stilithus to have competition? |
| 04:42.10 | Kaylin | over turning in like, dust stuff, but unless they up the rewards it's fairly pointless. |
| 04:42.58 | Kaylin | plus I can't see pvp servers having enough alliance to fill the spots even xrealm |
| 04:45.01 | mckenziemc | what... |
| 04:45.52 | Kaylin | speculating on certain subzones having more draw than others, like say skettis vs terrokar forest |
| 04:46.25 | Kaylin | it's one thing to have people spread out as they should be |
| 04:46.39 | Kaylin | idk if that makes sense @ mckenzie |
| 04:50.04 | Amarande | xrealm stuff = ? |
| 04:50.37 | Amarande | they're going to make certain zones no longer be attached to single servers? |
| 04:50.42 | Kaylin | crossrealm zones in MoP, where non-current zones (mostly) will use players from other realms to make them populated as designed |
| 04:53.55 | Amarande | I'm guessing battlegroup based? |
| 04:54.19 | Kaylin | I am not entirely certain. I know it's segregated PvP and PvE |
| 04:54.39 | Amarande | yeah, segregated PvP and PvE is definitely something that would have to be the case I would imagine |
| 05:00.01 | Amarande | I wonder what the effect will be socially, though. Each server has a distinct reputation, and players will then have no way to avoid "bad reputation" server players |
| 05:00.22 | Amarande | I'm thinking of the reps that servers like Mal'Ganis and Tichondrius often have, for instance (glad I don't play on PvP servers now) |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | Tich has a reputation for elitism ("Tichondrius is not for you" and all that), while Mal'Ganis, with the main exception of EJ, has this tendency to be hated by pretty much everyone else |
| 05:03.45 | Dagmar | because its' filled with more dicks than the navy |
| 05:03.56 | Amarande | I remember when the dungeon finder first came out and was battlegroup based, and being that I was from Turalyon which is on the same BG as MG, everyone always dreaded ending up with several MG players in their dungeon finder group |
| 05:04.31 | Arrowmaster | i remember how MG got that bad rep |
| 05:05.47 | Amarande | Well, the point is, that some servers have a reputation for being friendlier than others, and with the xrealm zone system, it seems like it's going to become impossible for leveling players to avoid extensive contact with people from douchebaggy servers. |
| 05:05.58 | Amarande | I imagine it's also going to make leveling professions significantly more expensive on most servers, as well. :| |
| 05:06.17 | mckenziemc | Amarande: probably datacenter based |
| 05:06.44 | Amarande | This means entire server groups are going to share the same set of leveling mats, right? |
| 05:07.19 | Amarande | Which means we should expect everything from copper through thorium to start being as scarce as Cata metal was when Cata came out? Or am I mistaken? |
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| 05:07.39 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 05:08.24 | Amarande | And the lower pop servers can expect to have a mats shortage as they get farmed extensively by xrealm visitors from high pop servers and taken away to other servers' AHs? |
| 05:08.59 | Amarande | Or will ore and herb nodes remain server specific? |
| 05:09.00 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 05:11.35 | Amarande | Not to mention limited vendor recipes. Won't most of those end up mostly being purchased by people from the highest population servers to be part of the xrealm pool, leaving some recipes practically impossible to find on the lower pop servers? Or am I mistaken again? |
| 05:13.25 | Amarande | Unless I'm wrong, or they iron out these things, it sounds like what the xrealm thing essentially does is allow higher pop servers to siphon resources from lower pop servers, leaving the latter with even smaller economies than they already do |
| 05:14.25 | mckenziemc | i'm skeptical of your reasoning |
| 05:15.12 | Amarande | mckenziemc: well, basically, the xrealm thing is that if Realm A doesn't have enough people adventuring in a given zone, it will cause people from Realms B, C, and D to enter Realm A's copy of the zone to balance that out, right? |
| 05:15.59 | Amarande | But then, at the end of the day, those guest players will be returning to their realms, and any resources they gather will no longer be available to the players of Realm A as they end up on the auction houses of B, C, and D instead |
| 05:16.45 | mckenziemc | assuming it's meaningful to thing of the zone as belonging to Realm A beyond implementation details |
| 05:16.48 | mckenziemc | think |
| 05:17.13 | Amarande | It also means that ... well, right now, each realm has its own pool of resources (especially mats nodes) |
| 05:17.29 | mckenziemc | it's not like each server has a fixed number of resources |
| 05:17.48 | Amarande | Therefore, on a low(er) population realm, while not as many mats get gathered and put on the AH, you always have the choice of going and gathering them yourself. |
| 05:18.12 | Amarande | With the xrealm, it sounds like in that case you'll have much less chance of doing so because the zones will be filled in with guest players, who compete with your realm's players for the same material nodes |
| 05:18.33 | Amarande | but, however, will be taking those materials away to a separate economy where your realm no longer has access to them |
| 05:18.42 | mckenziemc | i believe the node spawn rate adjusts automatically based on the gather rate |
| 05:19.09 | mckenziemc | you don't "no longer have access to them"; they respawn |
| 05:19.14 | Amarande | It sounds like it would create the huge competition for mats that Cata had when it was new (where it seemed like you barely ever even saw obsidium ore nodes for the first few weeks ...) |
| 05:19.40 | Amarande | With the additional handicap that those who lose the competition no longer even have the choice of buying them from the AH off those who won (because the mats went to a different server AH) |
| 05:21.14 | Kaylin | I worry about things that are not resource nodes for gathering profs |
| 05:21.18 | Amarande | Yeah, but right now, all resources gathered in a given realm are available to, and available only to, people on that realm. |
| 05:22.04 | Amarande | With this, many, and in some cases even most, resources gathered in a given realm will be available only to people on some other realm that happened to lend guest players to the first realm. |
| 05:22.51 | Kaylin | perhaps each realm will get their own resources, but I doubt that'll happen with mobs, I'd need to look at it more |
| 05:23.13 | Amarande | yeah, that's another thing, the mobs |
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| 05:23.33 | Fisker- | punches Shirik |
| 05:23.49 | Kaylin | it's not that mobs aren't meant to handle it, except they are in leveling ratios, what happens when people only say want to kill one specific mob bc the rest to max level players are worthless |
| 05:24.01 | Kaylin | having the population full as designed but concentrated at 85 might be weird. |
| 05:24.15 | Kaylin | or 90 I guess |
| 05:25.22 | mckenziemc | the proportions of lower level to higher levels would average out to be the same |
| 05:25.47 | Kaylin | right but right now, we just have one person in a zone camping say time lost proto drakes and that's all that gets done there |
| 05:25.56 | Kaylin | with xrealm they'll still be doing the same thing |
| 05:26.13 | Kaylin | it'll just be 50 people camping time lost proto drakes, or farming dust stormers, or w/e |
| 05:26.15 | mckenziemc | so if that would be a problem, it stands to reason it should already be a problem on some realms |
| 05:26.49 | Amarande | Kaylin: except that then the lower population realms get to lose most of their time lost proto drakes to guest players from huge pop realms, no? |
| 05:26.54 | Kaylin | I suspect it is, my realm is fairly medium pop myself |
| 05:27.10 | Kaylin | probably yea idk |
| 05:27.28 | Amarande | E.g., a lot of PvP realms are very low population |
| 05:27.54 | Kaylin | I'm on Black Dragonflight, I hear we're losing pop but I think we're pretty up there still, not like MG or tich but yea |
| 05:28.33 | Amarande | What this suggests is that e.g., most such realms in the Los Angeles data centre for instance will mostly just be colonial nations for Tich |
| 05:28.35 | Kaylin | also our alliance side is dead, it's mostly curious horde alts |
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| 05:28.50 | Adys | hmm |
| 05:28.54 | Amarande | Their time-lost proto drakes will mostly go to players from Tich and the like who get shunted over to their realms for dynamic zone population balance |
| 05:28.55 | Adys | library mismatch |
| 05:28.58 | mckenziemc | all i know is that if i do level my characters on my first server, it'll likely be through BGs/dungeons, not world quests |
| 05:29.05 | Adys | jesus go to sleep amarande T_T |
| 05:29.16 | Kaylin | what I wonder is, how do they balance horde and alliance when the PvP population itself is not balanced |
| 05:29.24 | Kaylin | unless I'm really mistaking something |
| 05:29.39 | mckenziemc | they can't |
| 05:29.58 | Kaylin | tenacity! |
| 05:30.12 | Kaylin | >_> |
| 05:31.35 | Amarande | And then, since so many resources and drops would go to Tich, it starts to become of less and less worth to belong to the other LA datacentre PvP realms |
| 05:31.40 | Kaylin | also I do worry about people who went to pvp realms for the arena/rbg scene being confused about world pvp being thrust upon them, had they not played in vanilla |
| 05:31.53 | Amarande | since in order to partake of most of the items that dropped on those realms as a whole, you would need to be on Tich in order to use its AH |
| 05:31.55 | mckenziemc | Amarande: if Realm A has 3x the population of Realm B, Realm A should get roughly 3x the resources/rares etc regardlesss of whether they're in the same copy of a zone or different copies |
| 05:32.45 | mckenziemc | the only siphoning is a "bonus" the lower pop realms get as a side-effect of being low pop |
| 05:33.07 | mckenziemc | so, a balancing |
| 05:34.19 | mckenziemc | is of* a bonus |
| 05:37.48 | Amarande | also mob related, I expect that any escort quest involving a factioned NPC in Outland or Northrend will become more or less universally hated again |
| 05:37.55 | Amarande | whereas presently they're not too bad because barely anyone is around |
| 05:38.20 | Kaylin | the issue is that it won't be balanced bc the area's load isn't balanced around players being at level cap in leveling zones |
| 05:38.26 | Kaylin | so the points of interest are different |
| 05:38.42 | mckenziemc | not a new problem |
| 05:39.05 | Kaylin | no but it'll be more obvious |
| 05:39.32 | mckenziemc | no, it shouldn't really |
| 05:40.18 | Kaylin | why not? I suspect there will be more than one person in say skettis now |
| 05:40.20 | mckenziemc | actually, the pet system will aggrevate that, but still, different problem |
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| 06:18.43 | karl_w_w | fark what a weekend |
| 06:19.39 | karl_w_w | helping people move house, pulling lemons off a lemon tree (the spines reach 5cm), changing tyres, it's all been happening! |
| 06:20.26 | Thunder_Child | is a tyre a special tire? |
| 06:30.03 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 06:30.15 | karl_w_w | it's a special one for people who don't need to sleep |
| 06:31.09 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 06:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | i was envisioning a lemon with a spine |
| 06:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 06:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | a spinal cord |
| 06:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes my brain is a horrorshow |
| 06:32.59 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean 'sometimes'... |
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| 06:36.41 | Mr_Rabies | because sometimes my brain is this http://youtu.be/pqv4U5uWPVU |
| 06:37.40 | Mr_Rabies | other times it's this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tGMSaR_MD4 |
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| 08:01.04 | karl_w_w | oh look |
| 08:01.13 | karl_w_w | south korea says no botting |
| 08:02.47 | Fisker- | old karl_w_w |
| 08:02.48 | Fisker- | mad? |
| 08:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm mad for him |
| 08:04.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm furious |
| 08:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | you have enmaddened me for the last time, fisker |
| 08:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | i challenge you to fiskicuffs |
| 08:09.03 | karl_w_w | thank you Mr_Rabies |
| 08:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | i have defended your honor |
| 08:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | you now owe me one honor dollar, payable in canned meat products and not much else |
| 08:10.32 | karl_w_w | spam? yuck. |
| 08:11.01 | karl_w_w | we have some spam light in the cupboard I think |
| 08:11.20 | karl_w_w | I never touch the stuff, I'll get you some corned beef |
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| 09:00.38 | karl_w_w | what the actual fuck |
| 09:00.54 | karl_w_w | i spent all this time playing back from where my last save was before i died |
| 09:01.00 | karl_w_w | got the same girlfriend |
| 09:01.12 | karl_w_w | and she spontaneously dies of starvation |
| 09:01.35 | karl_w_w | ridonkulous |
| 09:01.37 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 09:02.30 | Mr_Rabies | is it bad that for a second i thought you were talking about katawa shoujo and then i realized how messed up it would be if you were |
| 09:03.07 | bluspacecow | theres apparently a pigeon dating sim out there |
| 09:04.37 | karl_w_w | i paused the game sooner after her death this time i might be able to reset her |
| 09:05.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i think it's called HATOFUL BOYFRIEND bluspacecow, friend of mine played it |
| 09:05.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's apparently amazing in all the most confusing ways |
| 09:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | http://i49.tinypic.com/aob2x5.jpg |
| 09:07.05 | karl_w_w | woo it worked |
| 09:07.09 | karl_w_w | yay for cheating |
| 09:07.44 | karl_w_w | although I don't suppose correcting a game's letting an npc die of starvation is really that bad of a cheat :{P |
| 09:07.53 | karl_w_w | not when there is food everywhere |
| 09:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | you're not cheating, you're just a being with the ability to see all possible futures and pick one |
| 09:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately you have to live with all the grief of the negative ones as well, so you're destined to go insane |
| 09:08.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've been thinking hard tonight and my brain hurts |
| 09:09.00 | Mr_Rabies | also pidgeon dating sims aren't helping |
| 09:12.19 | Mr_Rabies | The main character is a student at an all bird school [reason why is explained in game.] in a post apocalyptic future [wont delve into how or why due to spoilers]. Hatoful Boyfriend, like many other visual novels, is about… dating. The only thing is, the choices are birds. |
| 09:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that it's post-apocalyptic pushes it to 11 |
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| 09:21.18 | karl_w_w | sounds disturbing |
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| 10:37.26 | Adys | god |
| 10:37.31 | Adys | arch linux is so awesome |
| 10:37.49 | Adys | i was self-compiling quassel since ubuntu, and it never hit me that not only does arch package it |
| 10:38.07 | Adys | but they also have rc.d/service scripts for the core |
| 10:42.49 | Fisker- | i wish i knew what you mean :O |
| 10:44.14 | Industrial | Is it me is or monk really OP in D3? :P I rolled one and at one point though it'd be funny to stack +hp on hit .. i cant die.... i just keep whacking an endless stream of mobs ... just solo bosses that to big damage by standing in front of them, breezing through D3 .. |
| 10:44.27 | Industrial | What level are you supposed to be at the end of Act 4? |
| 10:44.29 | Adys | Industrial: what lvl? |
| 10:44.32 | Industrial | 31 now |
| 10:44.39 | Industrial | end of act3 |
| 10:44.39 | Adys | Industrial: at the end of act 4 around 30 |
| 10:44.44 | Industrial | k lol :P |
| 10:44.54 | Adys | but monk gets "harder" after 50 |
| 10:45.07 | Adys | it just gets more and more gear-dependent |
| 10:45.12 | Industrial | right |
| 10:45.24 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/I7e7t |
| 10:45.25 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 10:45.30 | Industrial | I just sink some money into the AH every 10 levels or so |
| 10:46.22 | foxlit | I'm endlessly amused by the way my Barbarian killed Diablo on normal |
| 10:46.26 | Mr_Rabies | huh |
| 10:46.32 | foxlit | 35% chance to stun on a basic attack is just hilarious. |
| 10:46.37 | Industrial | ;o |
| 10:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | Adys, my monk is easier at 50 than he was when i first started nightmare |
| 10:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | ohh, the co-op damage change |
| 10:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | that's why |
| 10:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | my biggest danger is pub idiots training a billion mobs then getting a waller pack that makes all the mobs chasing us swam us and murder us in a second |
| 10:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | or vortex, etc |
| 10:49.24 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why people don't just take their time and fight smaller packs instead of waiting for literally 100 mobs to surround us |
| 10:51.15 | Fisker- | you get exp bonus from massacre |
| 10:51.32 | Adys | also, its a lot more fun |
| 10:51.39 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: find yourself a guild though |
| 10:51.48 | Adys | D3 is really worthless to play without friends/guildmates |
| 10:52.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, everyone's at max level though |
| 10:52.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm working my way there |
| 10:52.07 | Kalroth | with* |
| 10:52.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it's not more fun when we die in a second or less because of their stupidity |
| 10:52.47 | Mr_Rabies | i understand wanting to kite a few together |
| 10:52.51 | Adys | actually it is |
| 10:53.01 | Adys | which is one of the reasons i dislike hardcore |
| 10:53.05 | Adys | dying is part of the fun in d2 |
| 10:53.06 | Adys | d3. |
| 10:53.06 | Kalroth | the game is better with friends/guildmates if they're better players than you so they can carry you, otherwise it's a bad idea |
| 10:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | not that kind of dying |
| 10:53.45 | Kalroth | which is why Adys prefers playing with friends! |
| 10:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | dying when victory is unlikely is fun |
| 10:53.53 | Mr_Rabies | dying when victory is impossible isn't |
| 10:53.59 | Mr_Rabies | see: dark souls |
| 10:55.03 | Kalroth | the worst packs for me (witch doctor) is by far the invisible snakes |
| 10:55.06 | foxlit | would I be wildly incorrect by stating that dark souls is a game where the mob repeatedly introduces new gimmicks that'll kill you if you don't know about them, thereby forcing you to die to it a few times through no fault of your own? |
| 10:55.19 | Kalroth | foxlit: you wouldn't |
| 10:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes, but not super commonly |
| 10:55.49 | Mr_Rabies | things tend to make sense in dark souls |
| 10:56.02 | Mr_Rabies | huge guy that carries a big log -> probably want to dodge him, not block |
| 10:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | unless you have a ton of health and/or heavy armor |
| 10:56.24 | Fisker- | some would choose neither Mr_Rabies |
| 10:56.33 | Mr_Rabies | some would choose poorly |
| 10:56.39 | Kalroth | http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/An+Average+Day+in+Dark+Souls_e91a86_2756165.gif this is a little dark, but you get the idea |
| 10:56.46 | Fisker- | being rammed by a big log isn't nessecarily a poor choice Mr_Rabies |
| 10:56.51 | TMc51 | Why dodge or block? Why not turn the other cheek? |
| 10:56.52 | foxlit | Kalroth: I think of those snakes as having a free Shielding affix. |
| 10:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | that was his fault, Kalroth |
| 10:57.09 | Kalroth | foxlit: free sneaking up and 2 shotting me affix* |
| 10:57.13 | Mr_Rabies | he didn't properly survey the landscape before standing in a pool of poison blindly casting like an idiot |
| 10:57.25 | foxlit | meh, you know when they're around. |
| 10:57.39 | Kalroth | i do, but i can't damage them unless they're hitting me |
| 10:57.53 | Kalroth | since they're invis otherwise |
| 10:57.53 | foxlit | hence shielding :) |
| 10:58.06 | Kalroth | no, shielding drops for a time without them hitting me |
| 10:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | very few things in dark souls are really surprising after a few good hours of learning the world |
| 10:58.09 | Kalroth | big difference :) |
| 10:58.19 | Mr_Rabies | except bosses to an extent |
| 10:58.25 | Mr_Rabies | no one expects sword-wolf |
| 10:58.33 | foxlit | To be fair, their invisibility does have a dead zone that allows you to kite them in a visible state. |
| 10:59.08 | Kalroth | when they're regular mobs sure, not when they're elite and got a movement speed bonus |
| 10:59.21 | Mr_Rabies | but dark souls is more of a spiritual successor to classic castlevania |
| 10:59.35 | foxlit | Kalroth: worksforme on Inferno :) |
| 10:59.39 | Kalroth | i simply leave the zone or game when i run into an elite pack of invis snakes, waste of time |
| 10:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | there's a wide range of enemies so things don't get very boring |
| 10:59.43 | Kalroth | of course inferno |
| 10:59.56 | Mr_Rabies | the biggest surprises are fake chests and trapped chests |
| 11:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | which are only a big deal if you're playing while disconnected |
| 11:00.19 | foxlit | but perhaps you should invest in + movement speed. |
| 11:00.33 | Kalroth | i got 12% boots |
| 11:00.35 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise you'll probably expect them unless you're unlucky |
| 11:00.38 | Kalroth | i guess i need the bracers too |
| 11:00.46 | foxlit | there's also a ring. |
| 11:00.48 | foxlit | and a chest. |
| 11:01.11 | Kalroth | yeah, good look finding the ring with decent stats now that RMAH is live |
| 11:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | only one of my items sold on the RMAH :( |
| 11:02.10 | foxlit | out of interest, what would be decent stats for a ring? |
| 11:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | so far i've made 21 more cents than i paid for D3 though, so that's a start |
| 11:03.04 | Kalroth | right now its attack speed, main stat and crit chance - socket and vit and all resist are all bonuseseses |
| 11:03.47 | Kalroth | but with the nerf, i guess attack speed will be secondary, not sure how much of a nerf it really is |
| 11:04.30 | foxlit | Interesting. I'd just be happy with primary/allres. |
| 11:05.08 | foxlit | With crit hit and magic find being nice if they're on there. |
| 11:05.27 | Kalroth | I guess it differs a little for int based classes, since int also gives you a little res |
| 11:05.42 | Kalroth | i think i get +170 all res from my int alone |
| 11:05.45 | foxlit | so very little :( |
| 11:07.28 | foxlit | Vitality is also oh so evil. |
| 11:07.53 | foxlit | if only I could replace all of it with armor/allres. |
| 11:08.24 | Kalroth | i try to balance vitality and allres, i aim for around 28-30k hp and then allres the rest |
| 11:08.38 | Kalroth | it depends a lot on upgrades though, it isn't always easy to balance :p |
| 11:25.41 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: new gdrive build |
| 11:27.40 | Fisker- | does it change everything? |
| 11:28.00 | Stanzilla | more like nothing |
| 11:28.11 | Fisker- | link? |
| 11:28.36 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: http://www.computerbase.de/downloads/internet/dateitransfer/google-drive/ |
| 11:29.03 | Fisker- | again with the registration and shit |
| 11:29.58 | Stanzilla | hrm true |
| 11:30.06 | Stanzilla | but I guess the build on the google servers is updated, too |
| 11:30.10 | Stanzilla | so get it from there |
| 11:30.29 | Fisker- | yes |
| 11:30.34 | Fisker- | but that requires me working |
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| 11:53.49 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: Nvidia GeForce Beta 304.48 |
| 11:53.55 | Fisker- | old pls |
| 11:54.06 | Stanzilla | f u |
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| 11:55.23 | Fisker- | did they add geforce experience? |
| 11:56.07 | Stanzilla | no |
| 11:56.11 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 11:56.15 | Stanzilla | but maybe it fixes my bf3 problem |
| 11:56.22 | Stanzilla | which I still blame my wlan for |
| 11:56.40 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 11:56.42 | Fisker- | you use wlan |
| 11:57.39 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 11:57.46 | Stanzilla | router is 2 floors down |
| 12:01.43 | karl_w_w | thats only like 10-12 meters |
| 12:01.50 | karl_w_w | u can get a cable that long |
| 12:02.11 | karl_w_w | also Fisker- why nvidia drivers so bad? |
| 12:06.01 | Fisker- | they're not |
| 12:11.14 | karl_w_w | ucrazy? |
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| 12:39.12 | mckenziemc1 | morning peppy |
| 12:40.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. Happy Monday. |
| 12:40.09 | bluspacecow | moving puppy ? |
| 12:40.19 | bluspacecow | oh wait hai2u peppy |
| 12:42.03 | zenzio | hey there |
| 12:42.20 | bluspacecow | hai2u2 zenzi |
| 12:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'll tell you a seekrit, I don't really like Mondays all that much. |
| 12:43.59 | mckenziemc | i wonder why |
| 12:44.01 | bluspacecow | i is cold peppy |
| 12:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | Put on a shirt, bluspacecow. |
| 12:44.29 | alestane | You need something to put on. Have some snow pants. |
| 12:44.38 | bluspacecow | i has shirt and pjs on |
| 12:44.50 | Lopeppeppy | socks then. |
| 12:44.52 | bluspacecow | think i'll have a hot shower and turn the heater on |
| 12:44.58 | bluspacecow | its only 10 C |
| 12:45.05 | bluspacecow | i shouldn't be feeling this cold |
| 12:45.08 | mckenziemc | trade you |
| 12:45.17 | bluspacecow | am i a lizard ? |
| 12:45.20 | bluspacecow | or eddie izzard ? |
| 12:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | or are you sick? |
| 12:46.45 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow is always sick |
| 12:46.57 | mckenziemc | oh, you didn't mean mentally? |
| 12:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | No, like a fever. |
| 12:48.35 | bluspacecow | *fondles mckenziemc* |
| 12:49.05 | bluspacecow | it might be an issue with my room being cold then the predicted temporature of what my town is meant to be at from the metservice stie |
| 12:53.16 | zenzio | 10 C is just about awesome |
| 12:53.28 | zenzio | not indoors, but outdoors |
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| 13:23.59 | zenzio | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/06/18/1135258/funnyjunk-sues-the-oatmeal-over-tm-and-incitement-to-cyber-vandalism |
| 13:25.15 | harl | wat? |
| 13:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | No lie, they've been going back and forth on that a week or two now. Hilarious stuff. |
| 13:25.53 | zenzio | it seems like the FunnyJunk guy thinks he can seriously win |
| 13:26.01 | zenzio | I almost feel sorry for him |
| 13:26.08 | Kraps | "One last juicy detail is that Carreon is also suing the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society to which Inman's crowd sourced money is going." |
| 13:26.19 | Kraps | how is this a legit thing |
| 13:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Now that just does not make sense to me at all. |
| 13:26.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, fine, sue each other back and forth, Oatmeal and FunnyJunk. But not getting how the charities are being sued just because Oatmeal is donating money to them. |
| 13:27.04 | zenzio | thinking of a few cases I've heard about lately, he's just be shot down and defamed by the judge |
| 13:27.35 | zenzio | just going to be |
| 13:27.46 | Kraps | theres something in hebrew called a "breath of folly", seems like he has a sever case of it |
| 13:28.53 | bluspacecow | maybe he's trying to troll the judge |
| 13:29.05 | bluspacecow | be all like " i drop the case U mad ?" |
| 13:30.01 | harl | suing someone over having a relatively nice idea? really? |
| 13:30.15 | bluspacecow | imma BRB |
| 13:30.26 | harl | that's kind of (very) childish |
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| 14:04.43 | bluspacecow | http://knstrct.com/tag/the-law-library-of-munich/ |
| 14:05.18 | bluspacecow | http://www.beautiful-libraries.com/7700-1.html |
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| 14:40.46 | Fisker- | did drivers work for you Stanzilla ? |
| 14:43.45 | bluspacecow | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:43.52 | bluspacecow | going to keep my sheep suit on…. |
| 14:44.06 | bluspacecow | *sings along to sam the sham* |
| 14:47.24 | Fisker- | nice Adys |
| 14:47.33 | Fisker- | i got 250k for one of the rares i got on those runs |
| 14:47.57 | Adys | Fisker-: I just got 9 euros for the quiver I got there |
| 14:48.13 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: yes |
| 14:48.23 | Fisker- | meh Adys |
| 14:48.26 | Fisker- | you got 9 virtual moneys |
| 14:48.40 | Adys | ? |
| 14:48.54 | Kalroth | greece and spain are going to ruin the eur |
| 14:48.54 | Kalroth | o |
| 14:53.47 | Fisker- | unless you cashed out to paypal Adys |
| 14:53.52 | Fisker- | and then to your bank account |
| 14:53.53 | Adys | of course i did |
| 14:53.57 | Fisker- | hax |
| 14:54.00 | Adys | wtf would i do with the bnet currency? |
| 14:54.17 | Adys | you cant even pay for wow game time with it |
| 14:54.24 | Adys | and it fucking expires |
| 14:54.32 | Adys | seriously |
| 14:54.41 | Adys | last time i had a currency with an expiration date i was in athens |
| 14:55.26 | foxlit | it expires? |
| 14:55.48 | Adys | yeah |
| 14:55.54 | Adys | you have to use it within some months or sth |
| 14:56.22 | Adys | but at that point i dont care if its 10 years |
| 14:56.32 | Adys | a currency you cant cash out and that expires |
| 14:56.37 | Adys | thats a fucking gift card |
| 14:57.09 | foxlit | could you quote something about that expiration stuff? |
| 14:57.34 | Adys | http://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-balance-faq#q8 |
| 14:57.45 | Thunder_Child | bitter Adys is bitter |
| 14:57.57 | durcyn | money grubbing game company is money grubbing. |
| 14:58.04 | Adys | not bitter since i dont use it, and probably wouldnt use it even if it didnt expire |
| 14:58.14 | Arrowmaster | Adys: everytime i click the button ingame to setup my paypal so i can cash out it does nothing, i suspect wine |
| 14:58.24 | Adys | Arrowmaster: eh? |
| 14:58.41 | Adys | what button? I set it up in account management |
| 14:59.22 | Arrowmaster | oh when i try to put something up for money and send it to paypal it tells me i have to setup paypal, i did that through account management but maybe i needed to relog |
| 14:59.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: where do you see a button ingame? |
| 15:00.14 | Arrowmaster | it pops up in an error box when you try to select paypal |
| 15:00.19 | Adys | oh |
| 15:01.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm i just logged in and tried and got the same |
| 15:01.30 | Adys | you sure you set it up right? |
| 15:01.32 | Arrowmaster | do i have to setup mobile alerts too? |
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| 15:01.34 | Adys | yes |
| 15:01.38 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 15:01.51 | Arrowmaster | cant use mobile alerts with my number because its google voice |
| 15:02.10 | Thunder_Child | you should have a base number from the phone providor |
| 15:02.13 | Fisker- | mad? |
| 15:02.29 | Thunder_Child | provider* |
| 15:02.47 | Arrowmaster | i do but i dont want to use it since it acts completely different and i get charged |
| 15:03.47 | durcyn | they actually launched with SMS only in the year 2012, no email or mobile app support? |
| 15:03.59 | Thunder_Child | well, you should be making enough to cover the few texts that happen with whatever monies you are pulling out of bnet |
| 15:04.44 | Arrowmaster | unlikely |
| 15:04.48 | Adys | holy shit |
| 15:05.09 | Adys | a friend just got 153 dex / 76 vit / 44 phys res / 44 all res / 3% ranged reduction / 3% melee reduction bracers |
| 15:05.21 | Fisker- | he should give it to me |
| 15:05.22 | Fisker- | for free |
| 15:06.30 | Fisker- | if he's lucky some dumb fuck will pay 250€ for it |
| 15:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | no, all melee reduction is for Peppy. Silly Fisker. |
| 15:07.02 | Fisker- | you don't need it |
| 15:07.04 | Fisker- | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:07.18 | Lopeppeppy | dodges, and takes no damage. Guess Fisker's right. |
| 15:08.37 | durcyn | never accuse fisker of correctness. |
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| 15:11.23 | Fisker- | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html <-what the actual fuck |
| 15:14.18 | mikma | anyone here familiar with Sony Ericsson Xperia Active -phone? |
| 15:20.32 | Fisker- | familiar how? |
| 15:22.07 | pompy | Stanzilla: http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/479836338699264 |
| 15:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | That will teach you not to eat uncooked squid gonads, huh Fisker. |
| 15:22.44 | Fisker- | i don't eat fish |
| 15:22.47 | Fisker- | or fishlike animal |
| 15:22.52 | Fisker- | old pompy :( |
| 15:30.15 | Kraps | bout myself a 180k weapon |
| 15:30.20 | Kraps | bought |
| 15:30.29 | Kraps | got over 7k dps |
| 15:30.36 | Stanzilla | pompy: already installed them bnut thanks |
| 15:30.46 | Kraps | over the one i had |
| 15:37.37 | Fisker- | man mythbuster is dumb as fuck Stanzilla |
| 15:37.40 | Fisker- | mythbusters* |
| 15:37.43 | Stanzilla | rly |
| 15:38.42 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:38.59 | Fisker- | they're doing high speed shots to meassure if it's quicker to draw on your own or quicker to draw on a reaction |
| 15:39.11 | Fisker- | Kari shoots quicker on reaction |
| 15:39.21 | Fisker- | but if you're not blind as fuck she "shot" into the dirt instead of the target |
| 15:39.26 | Stanzilla | I just bought Alice the madness returns for 5 dollarz |
| 15:39.37 | Fisker- | so obviously it's faster to shoot into the dirt than on the actual target |
| 15:40.38 | durcyn | i've found the problem, you're watching mythbusters |
| 15:41.40 | Fisker- | that isn't the problem |
| 15:42.57 | pompy | Stanzilla: what a waste |
| 15:43.09 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/b6fhO.jpg |
| 15:43.12 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 15:45.55 | Fisker- | i can't find waldo |
| 15:49.24 | Stanzilla | pompy: why? |
| 15:50.16 | pompy | Stanzilla: i dont know!! However, IGN only gave it a 6.5/10 |
| 15:50.28 | Stanzilla | I don't care about ratings at all |
| 15:52.19 | pompy | noone does. |
| 15:52.31 | Stanzilla | why do tell me it's a waste then? :D |
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| 15:54.50 | pompy | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/600124_405020449550799_1044474804_n.jpg oh god |
| 15:55.38 | Fisker- | gaming journalism in regards to ratings lost its credibility with the kane & lynch review |
| 15:55.52 | Arrowmaster | im not sure what im fighting but i think its a nightmarish mortar frozen desecrator from the attacks and minions but its taking forever to kill it by casting hydra through a closed door |
| 15:56.00 | Kraps | pompy, which game |
| 15:56.45 | Kraps | desecrator and plague can go fuck themselves >:( |
| 15:57.45 | Arrowmaster | the only time i saw it was when i accidently teleported though the closed doorway, ran around and teleported back out |
| 15:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | lurks for cog-a-thingie. |
| 16:05.33 | Humbedooh | rtharper, you do know that technically, when she said "welcome to Sweden", she was lying, right? :p |
| 16:05.41 | Kraps | people seem to take getting better gear from the AH for granted, is that such a bad thing? |
| 16:06.39 | rtharper | Humbedooh: hahaha howso? =p |
| 16:07.16 | Humbedooh | rtharper, it's a myth that you're on foreign soil when you visit an embassy or a consulate :| |
| 16:07.25 | rtharper | Humbedooh: LOL no, she meant like |
| 16:07.29 | rtharper | in the sense of us moving =p |
| 16:07.42 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 16:07.46 | rtharper | Just before she left she said, "Thank you, have a good day, and welcome to Sweden!" |
| 16:07.58 | Humbedooh | oh, well that wasn't in the tweet! |
| 16:08.20 | Humbedooh | you withheld information ;( |
| 16:08.59 | rtharper | hahah |
| 16:09.04 | rtharper | 140 chars doesn't make it easy=p |
| 16:09.23 | Humbedooh | you could've made a second tweet, just for me ;| |
| 16:11.00 | mikma | Wobin: no cinnamon this time, but a tasty cherry? http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=99535 |
| 16:11.55 | Humbedooh | mm cherries |
| 16:11.59 | Humbedooh | I have them |
| 16:13.21 | pompy | Kraps: alice madness returns |
| 16:17.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, cherries, I am them. |
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| 16:20.37 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.53 | alestane | Just as easy to write as what? |
| 16:21.04 | foxlit | so this comment would have you believe! |
| 16:21.15 | foxlit | er, a + b |
| 16:21.22 | alestane | That looks like a clumsy, slow way to write a + b |
| 16:22.06 | foxlit | clumsy sure, slow, probably not. |
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| 16:22.50 | foxlit | The story is that Dart is removing the use of + as the string concatenation operator. |
| 16:23.09 | alestane | Is this Java? |
| 16:23.38 | foxlit | more like javascript |
| 16:24.03 | alestane | Dart is a language? |
| 16:24.13 | foxlit | There'd be less of a point to do that in Java, since you know what the number types are. |
| 16:25.08 | foxlit | alestane: http://www.dartlang.org/ |
| 16:25.28 | Dagmar | alestane: Sure is! It's all the rage now to strap a lexer together with some complex functions written in another native language, and then declare it to be the next best language evar |
| 16:25.46 | alestane | So it's sort of like CoffeeScript. |
| 16:26.00 | foxlit | except they wrote their own VM. |
| 16:26.14 | foxlit | (in addition to compiling to javascript for things that don't want to implement that VM) |
| 16:26.29 | Dagmar | You get bonus cool points for making all these functions be highly-specific things like "CreateNewWordPressInstallation" to deploy new webshells on the box, so you can claim "this language makes it easer than ever to deploy webshells with only TWO lines of code!" |
| 16:26.30 | foxlit | s/implement/include/ |
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| 16:27.07 | alestane | Now, I happen to dislike using + as double-duty for both addition and concatenation, especially in dynamically typed languages. Did they offer something in its place? |
| 16:27.37 | alestane | Other then obtaining a representation of the results of two actions on a new object? |
| 16:27.50 | foxlit | string builders, PHP's string variable syntax, string concatenation at the compiler level. |
| 16:28.18 | foxlit | [ http://news.dartlang.org/2012/06/vm-to-remove-support-for-string.html ] |
| 16:28.27 | Dagmar | $c = fornicate("$a$b"); |
| 16:28.44 | pompy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706 |
| 16:28.54 | pompy | OCZ not to solid on SSDs? |
| 16:33.46 | ZorbaGama | pompy, ocz's one of the top ssd makers. I've got the 240gb version of that drive and it's worked like a champ. |
| 16:33.52 | Corrodias2 | according to the user reviews, they have a higher tendency to fail than most ssd makers |
| 16:34.11 | ZorbaGama | That said, note that, for the first year or so of that series's release, it was plagued by a very obscure bug that would occasionally cause data loss |
| 16:34.21 | ZorbaGama | all signs point to them having fixed it, but if you get one, make sure you update the firmware |
| 16:35.32 | nevcairiel | i still think its funny that all the sandforce ssds had rather bad firmware bugs for so long, then intel joins the sandforce game and fixes the bug :p (and contributes it back to everyone else) |
| 16:35.53 | nevcairiel | tells me who to buy a ssd from when i want reliability |
| 16:35.54 | ZorbaGama | yeah, whatever else you might say about intel, they're absolute masters of stability |
| 16:39.02 | Fisker- | i don't like you nevcairiel :( |
| 16:39.06 | Fisker- | you destroyed our hopes |
| 16:39.42 | Kraps | "Made it to level 43 before realising about Elective mode" haha |
| 16:39.46 | Kraps | BLIZZARD |
| 16:40.08 | nevcairiel | you talking about stupid soccer? Care level: 0, for all i care we could've been kicked out, at least all the drama would be over around here then! |
| 16:41.20 | Kraps | soccer |
| 16:41.26 | Kraps | what is that |
| 16:41.33 | Kraps | can you eat it |
| 16:42.37 | nevcairiel | you can most certainly try |
| 16:42.56 | Kraps | sweet |
| 16:43.08 | nevcairiel | no, it wont be all that sweet |
| 16:43.09 | Fisker- | why didn't you kill the german soccer team then nevcairiel ? |
| 16:43.10 | nevcairiel | more salty |
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| 16:43.24 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: they are in some other country, i cba to travel that far |
| 16:43.42 | Fisker- | could've killed them while they were in germany |
| 16:43.48 | nevcairiel | i missed it |
| 16:43.52 | nevcairiel | suddenly it started |
| 16:44.10 | Kraps | "It's sound logic in a vacuum but then you deal with /Video Game People/ and the whole thing goes to shit and you might as well just make the patch notes for 1.3 goatse, it'd probably generate less complaining." |
| 16:44.47 | nevcairiel | there is no sound in a vacuum, so it cant sound logic either! |
| 16:44.50 | foxlit | hm, what's on 1.3? |
| 16:44.52 | Kraps | talking about blizzard releasing stuff thats really hard then tuning it back |
| 16:45.19 | nevcairiel | if i had to guess, its diablo 1.0.3 |
| 16:45.27 | nevcairiel | people often forget the extra zero |
| 16:45.54 | Kraps | yes |
| 16:46.05 | foxlit | hm, so not swtor, which actually happens to be testing 1.3. |
| 16:47.30 | Kraps | lol swtor |
| 16:47.34 | nevcairiel | i'm still sad swtor failed so much. The first week i played it, it was really fun, then it suddenly was very boring, so i played on the other side of things, and the same thing happend |
| 16:48.58 | nevcairiel | not that wow is much different these days |
| 16:49.03 | nevcairiel | maybe i'm just mmo-burned-out |
| 16:49.35 | Kraps | MoP will bee a much-need jolt to the system i thing |
| 16:50.05 | Kraps | even though it will apparently ruin WoW forever |
| 16:50.10 | nevcairiel | i'll probably get it and level my way up with 1-2 characters, then go and see all the 5man content, possibly LFR a bit, and then be bored after 2-3 weeks |
| 16:50.15 | Kraps | or something |
| 16:50.29 | durcyn | wow's been ruined for several years, though? |
| 16:50.30 | Wobin | ^ |
| 16:50.30 | nevcairiel | like cataclysm, which lasted 6 weeks or so |
| 16:50.38 | Wobin | I'm mmo-burnt out |
| 16:50.47 | Torhal|work | Wobin: Rewrite your AddOns. |
| 16:50.49 | Wobin | I have a 47 toon on swtor |
| 16:50.58 | Wobin | but I just don't want to get him to 50 |
| 16:50.59 | bluspacecow | rewrite your face torhal |
| 16:51.07 | nevcairiel | i got to around 40 or so |
| 16:51.08 | Wobin | I let my wow sub lapse |
| 16:51.17 | Torhal|work | installs Pure Evil 2.0 on bluspacecow. |
| 16:51.24 | Kraps | im not subbed either |
| 16:51.35 | nevcairiel | i'm still on my annual pass |
| 16:51.37 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 16:51.38 | Wobin | paying a monthly fee, just so I can -maybe- log in once a week for a raid that may or may not occur, just wasn't worth it |
| 16:51.58 | Wobin | I'm glad I didn't pay for the annual |
| 16:52.04 | Wobin | D3 wasn't worth that much money =) |
| 16:52.27 | nevcairiel | i had the sub active anyway |
| 16:52.33 | foxlit | it's not /really/ that much money? |
| 16:52.59 | nevcairiel | i figured, as long as my addons keep paying me lots of money, i might as well keep a sub to maybe do maintenance |
| 16:53.08 | nevcairiel | not that i do... |
| 16:53.10 | nevcairiel | but i could! |
| 16:53.55 | Fisker- | hey Wobin |
| 16:54.19 | Wobin | hey fisker |
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| 17:14.29 | pompy | lol awesome http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/319697_458573487504574_1308600315_n.jpg |
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| 17:21.53 | nevcairiel | i want that shirt |
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| 17:24.09 | Kraps | asking people to always be online is what hitler did http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/8/8/ |
| 17:24.36 | nevcairiel | old |
| 17:24.42 | nevcairiel | 2011 old, to be exact |
| 17:25.22 | Kraps | like your last girlfriend |
| 17:25.48 | Kraps | sorry, i feel bad after trolling |
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| 17:35.56 | Kraps | hiyo http://i.imgur.com/FWUuL.png |
| 17:37.18 | Torhal|work | Ugh |
| 17:37.45 | kullervo | Kraps: I've seen the same before, except with another shirt |
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| 17:41.50 | mikma | rtharper: Y U DO THAT |
| 17:43.21 | Fisker- | no wonder kullervo |
| 17:43.24 | Fisker- | it's 'murika |
| 17:43.37 | Kraps | Fisker-, |
| 17:43.49 | Kraps | why do you hate freedom Fisker- |
| 17:44.29 | Fisker- | why do you highlight me twice? |
| 17:44.33 | Fisker- | That's what hitler did |
| 17:44.55 | Kraps | nope |
| 17:45.03 | Kraps | he did it 3 times |
| 17:46.55 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGsxDvnF96o |
| 17:46.56 | Fisker- | nice demo |
| 17:47.06 | Fisker- | can't even find out how to use it |
| 17:47.19 | Fisker- | which is why it's awesome that Microsoft is forcing it |
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| 18:22.58 | Kraps | "The authenticator is designed to work without network connectivity." |
| 18:23.13 | Kraps | huh why did i think otherwise |
| 18:23.35 | AcidWeb | as long clocks will be in sync |
| 18:24.31 | pompy | Kraps: lol of coyrse all the 3xl's are out of stock |
| 18:26.48 | Corrodias2 | urghhhh what a piece of shiiiiit windows 8 hate hate hate you all |
| 18:29.32 | Fisker- | why mad Corrodias2 ? |
| 18:30.09 | AcidWeb | Corrodias2: You dont like new GUI optimized for orangutans aka. Metro ? |
| 18:33.28 | Fisker- | it's not optimized for orangutans |
| 18:33.33 | Fisker- | it's optimized for noone |
| 18:33.55 | Corrodias2 | heheh |
| 18:34.22 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 18:34.25 | mckenziemc | what's a noone? |
| 18:35.16 | Fisker- | nothing to worry your little head about |
| 18:39.53 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://nerdreactor.com/2012/06/18/australia-finally-getting-18-rating-video-games/ |
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| 18:40.40 | Kraps | To exploit this situation, many cheaters defrauded gamer of a lot of money by selling faked Dia3 keys. Therefore Vietnamese gamers ask us – Gamebank- as creditable dealer to help them purchase Dia3 Key. Previously, we positively contact to Blizzard to be granted as Blizzard’s agent in Vietnam but no reply responded by Blizzard. And now, blizzard unreasonably deactivated tens of our... |
| 18:40.41 | Kraps | ...client’s... |
| 18:40.43 | Kraps | ...accounts, this seriously undermine our reputation that we have worked hard to attain for a long time. |
| 18:41.45 | pompy | Stanzilla: or those that use steam lol .. http://www.facebook.com/Steam/posts/10150898851162339 |
| 18:41.46 | Corrodias2 | "Parliament plans to pass a set of complementary legislation to make sure games with violent content are rated appropriately" -- this can only end well |
| 18:43.15 | Corrodias2 | Kraps: so, what, Blizzard banned a bunch of legitimate customers? |
| 18:43.32 | Fisker- | man those 10 customers might be mad Kraps |
| 18:43.43 | pompy | lol |
| 18:43.57 | Kraps | Gamebank bought 30 digital keys to resell |
| 18:44.33 | foxlit | and of course, you may not resell digital keys? |
| 18:44.39 | Kraps | the transaction was blocked by blizzard and all their games reverted to Starter |
| 18:45.27 | Corrodias2 | aren't you glad their headquarters is in the country of freedom and capitalism, both of which Actiblizzard oppose so strongly unless they're in control of it? |
| 18:45.53 | Fisker- | what country of freedom? |
| 18:45.58 | Corrodias2 | that might be irony, if the first part weren't also sarcasm |
| 18:46.48 | Kraps | isnt it against the TOS to resell keys? |
| 18:47.22 | foxlit | that seems very likely. |
| 18:48.07 | Corrodias2 | probably. it would give executives a power-boner. |
| 18:48.14 | Adys | argh what is this shit |
| 18:48.19 | Adys | i have kde installed |
| 18:48.25 | Adys | i didnt even notice |
| 18:48.51 | Kraps | the fuck are you whining about Corrodias2 |
| 18:48.55 | Adys | i feel like I just jumped into a pool of urine and I'm brushing the spiders off my smelly jacket |
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| 18:51.17 | Corrodias2 | i'm just a cranky old man who likes companies that let me play how i want to, and give/sell games to other people |
| 18:51.41 | Brainscrewer | hi everyone, is there an other way to get a right click recorded or is if (click == "RightButton") the only way? |
| 18:52.23 | Unkle | Are you trying to determine clicks on a secure action button? |
| 18:52.41 | Brainscrewer | im trying to see if the right button is being pressed instead of the left |
| 18:52.59 | Unkle | Under which conditions? |
| 18:53.01 | Brainscrewer | since atm the addon is responding to left and right |
| 18:53.29 | Unkle | Well, there's a user setting for allowing left/right to both = interact. |
| 18:53.46 | Brainscrewer | while if the right button is pressed there should be a popup |
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| 18:53.49 | Brainscrewer | but its not showing |
| 18:54.13 | Brainscrewer | elseif click == "RightButton" and isPrivate == 0 then |
| 18:54.13 | Brainscrewer | SendChatMessage("Right button pressed!", "SAY", "Common"); |
| 18:55.10 | Unkle | That's only going to happen in isPrivate == 0 as well as right button |
| 18:55.52 | Unkle | So make sure, first that isPrivate has specifically been set to that value. Though lua indexes start a 1, not 0. |
| 18:56.08 | Brainscrewer | its not my addon, just trying to fix it :P |
| 18:56.32 | Brainscrewer | the private is a checkbox |
| 18:56.39 | Brainscrewer | so if its not checked i assume its 0 |
| 18:56.43 | Brainscrewer | adn if its checked its 1 |
| 18:56.52 | Unkle | that's a heck of an assumption. |
| 18:57.17 | Brainscrewer | local isPrivate = 0; |
| 18:58.14 | Unkle | You'd be better off posting your code to pastebin and asking for help so we can see the thing. |
| 18:58.30 | Brainscrewer | its a huge file :P |
| 18:59.21 | Unkle | That's what it's for. |
| 19:00.21 | Brainscrewer | http://pastebin.com/3tqRLSjb |
| 19:00.22 | Brainscrewer | here it is |
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| 19:01.09 | Brainscrewer | problem is the function starting at line 743 |
| 19:05.50 | Brainscrewer | its simply not going into the elseif part |
| 19:07.59 | Unkle | where is the value for "click" getting populated? |
| 19:09.18 | Brainscrewer | isnt that on line 85? |
| 19:12.07 | Unkle | No where in here do I see any place where the code checks which button is clicked using the GetMouseButtonClicked() API call. |
| 19:13.07 | Unkle | in the function starting on 85, it checks which button on a frame is clicked, but not which mousebutton was used. |
| 19:16.04 | Brainscrewer | so could u do something like buttonClicked = getMouseButtonClicked(); |
| 19:16.14 | Brainscrewer | if buttonClicked == "rightButton" |
| 19:16.22 | cbreak | damnit... I pause Diablo 3 for an hour or two, and when I come back I am DCed... and when I log back in, I lost all my neph stacks, all my dungeon progress of that level, and get ganged up by a bunch of elites |
| 19:17.24 | Unkle | cbreak: That's what you get for hogging server resources for as much as two hours doing nothing. :P |
| 19:17.49 | Unkle | Brainscrewer: Yes, something like that. |
| 19:18.35 | Brainscrewer | could u do: function LootCouncil_Browser.CastVote(id, vote, click = GetMouseButtonClicked()) |
| 19:18.35 | Brainscrewer | ? |
| 19:20.03 | Unkle | No, I don't believe you can nest an API call in the function return definition like that. |
| 19:20.42 | Brainscrewer | im not experienced with LUA at all but just want to get that bug resolved |
| 19:21.23 | Unkle | Honestly, I don't know that it ever worked the way the author appears to have intended. |
| 19:21.46 | foxlit | cbreak: the actual disconnection timeout is more like 30 minutes. |
| 19:29.29 | mikma | rtharper: http://www.jonnela.fi/parisee/finnish_problems.jpg |
| 19:29.34 | Brainscrewer | function LootCouncil_Browser.CastVote(id, vote, click) |
| 19:29.34 | Brainscrewer | local entry = LootCouncil_Browser.Elects[id]; |
| 19:29.34 | Brainscrewer | local click = GetMouseButtonClicked(); |
| 19:29.35 | Brainscrewer | i did that |
| 19:29.56 | Brainscrewer | left mouse button now works, but right doesnt |
| 19:31.20 | foxlit | Do you know whether that function runs at all when you right-click? |
| 19:31.21 | Unkle | So, now you have to check for the string, "RightButton" or "LeftButton" |
| 19:31.23 | cbreak | foxlit: :( |
| 19:31.28 | cbreak | now that sucks |
| 19:31.30 | Unkle | But it looks like you're on the right track. |
| 19:33.16 | foxlit | for that matter, does Unkle know that there's nothing in the linked Lua code that calls that function at all? |
| 19:33.39 | foxlit | "foxlit was slain by a Moonseed" for that comment :( |
| 19:33.41 | Unkle | I skimmed with CTFL=F |
| 19:34.02 | Unkle | <--- Lazy, and not really paying attention. |
| 19:34.04 | mikma | rtharper: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzddaogAFU1r73ihqo1_500.jpg |
| 19:35.03 | mikma | rtharper: kih kih, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyob81rBIr1r73ihqo1_500.jpg |
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| 19:36.41 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjn9samBM1r73ihqo1_400.jpg |
| 19:37.13 | foxlit | heh, invisible snakes... with shielding. |
| 19:39.13 | Unkle | foxlit: That should come with a jar of "I Can't Believe It's Not Hemeroids" lube. |
| 19:39.49 | Brainscrewer | can anyone give me the correct syntax? SendChatMessage(mouseClick + " pressed!", "SAY", "Common"); |
| 19:39.52 | Brainscrewer | gives an error |
| 19:40.00 | mckenziemc | .. not + |
| 19:40.03 | foxlit | with a second bonus pack of waller desecrator electrified reflects damage champions. |
| 19:40.22 | Brainscrewer | so mouseClick .. " pressed". |
| 19:40.24 | Brainscrewer | ? |
| 19:40.27 | nevcairiel | the f'ing invisible snakes are annoying enough as it is |
| 19:40.29 | nevcairiel | i hate those |
| 19:40.57 | nevcairiel | its not that they are invisible, they are also unattackable when you cant see them, cant just throw shit in their general direction, noooo |
| 19:41.19 | Unkle | Brainscrewer: If you want to nest calls you need more parens. SendChatMessage((Your API call goes here) rest of SendCharMessage parameters go here) |
| 19:41.38 | Brainscrewer | okay |
| 19:41.39 | Brainscrewer | cheers |
| 19:42.13 | Dagmar | Send more paramedi...parentheses |
| 19:42.14 | Unkle | I've had good luck putting down AoE snares in their path when I can see the little "light blob" that indicates them. |
| 19:42.35 | nevcairiel | if they run over them while still invisible, all for nothing |
| 19:42.35 | Brainscrewer | debugging wow addons sucks tho, add a line and restart |
| 19:42.36 | Brainscrewer | bleh |
| 19:42.42 | foxlit | disposed of; waller mobs got lost somewhere. |
| 19:42.56 | nevcairiel | walled themself in, they're good at that |
| 19:43.35 | nevcairiel | wallers are usually the least annoying of the movement impairing types |
| 19:43.46 | nevcairiel | mostly because they block themself more then me |
| 19:44.03 | nevcairiel | so i can focus on one or two enemys instead of all of them at once |
| 19:44.18 | mckenziemc | Brainscrewer: /reload |
| 19:45.12 | Brainscrewer | is that enough? |
| 19:45.27 | Unkle | It is as long as you're not adding new files. |
| 19:45.38 | nevcairiel | if you just modify existing files, no need to restart the game |
| 19:47.29 | Brainscrewer | hmm |
| 19:47.32 | Brainscrewer | all those restarts for nothing |
| 19:47.33 | Brainscrewer | ;D |
| 19:48.36 | Brainscrewer | i think i got it working |
| 19:51.14 | mikma | Mikk / Cide-: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx71s7G0IV1r73ihqo1_400.jpg |
| 19:51.21 | Kraps | what the hell http://www.amazon.com/World-of-Warcraft-Blizzard-Authenticator/dp/B002Z5AVW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340049049&sr=8-1&keywords=blizzard+authenticator |
| 19:51.52 | Kraps | i feel like just linking that will get me hacked |
| 19:55.10 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 19:56.24 | mikma | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwx756fnhh1r73ihqo1_400.jpg :DDDDD njah njah njah |
| 20:03.39 | Torhal|work | cbreak: Yes, you can't pause for longer than 15-20 minutes or you get DC'd. Fucking retarded, yes. |
| 20:03.45 | Torhal|work | However, you can sit in the AH for three days. |
| 20:04.19 | Unkle | Which will cause you to lose your valor stacks. |
| 20:04.32 | Torhal|work | Yes. |
| 20:04.44 | Torhal|work | I just don't understand the reason for a DC when you're paused in a singleplayer game. |
| 20:05.29 | Corrodias2 | because you didn't buy the premium subscription |
| 20:05.41 | Torhal|work | lolwut |
| 20:05.45 | Brainscrewer | thanks guys got it working |
| 20:05.46 | Brainscrewer | cheers |
| 20:05.59 | Corrodias2 | there isn't one, but how great would that be? |
| 20:06.21 | Corrodias2 | you could pay extra, and get queue priority and no idle timeouts, in your single player game |
| 20:06.41 | Torhal|work | headdesks. |
| 20:06.45 | Kraps | how long does it take to get 5 stacks? |
| 20:07.02 | Torhal|work | However long it takes to find and kill five elite packs |
| 20:07.07 | Torhal|work | So, variable |
| 20:07.10 | Kraps | ah |
| 20:07.28 | Kraps | i'm on act 2 hell i think |
| 20:07.43 | Torhal|work | Then you can't even get a single stack: Level 60 required. |
| 20:07.48 | Kraps | i know |
| 20:09.48 | foxlit | 5 stacks is essentially a zone or two. |
| 20:11.13 | Unkle | The time resets each time you kill a pack, so you can keep your stacks a long time if you're killing lots of elites. |
| 20:12.43 | Kraps | how long is the timer |
| 20:12.54 | Unkle | 15 minutes I think? |
| 20:13.26 | foxlit | 30 |
| 20:14.43 | foxlit | I found an orange wizard hat. |
| 20:14.48 | foxlit | It was underwhelming :( |
| 20:15.10 | Torhal|work | :/ |
| 20:15.56 | alestane | I have an axe that dropped. Not sure who if anyone will use it among my alts. |
| 20:17.45 | Kraps | welp http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3490984 |
| 20:18.46 | Unkle | I found an oange fist weapon - i put it on the Auction House becuase… well, because it was lolworthy and I think someone will give me 100K for it. |
| 20:19.21 | Kraps | lots of orange weapons ive seen on the AH seem really underwhelming |
| 20:22.47 | Unkle | I think people want legendary items to be "I win" buttons. But really, they just need to be items with a cool history and decent stats. |
| 20:24.24 | alestane | Things you'll hang onto for the next 5-10 levels or so. |
| 20:24.35 | Unkle | *nod* |
| 20:24.54 | foxlit | They do have a nice variety of stats. |
| 20:25.08 | alestane | I've kept some items for longer than that just because nothing else that dropped in that slot had int on it. |
| 20:25.11 | foxlit | The problem is that you realistically want something with a large amount of 2-3 stats rather than a bit of everything :( |
| 20:25.51 | Unkle | Yeah, often times you want one or two really good stats - but most legendaries have like 4 medium stats. |
| 20:26.23 | foxlit | It's considerations like: I could equip that legendary hat and gain maybe 3k health (boo, making my regen worth less!) and maybe break even on damage... compared to my +35% magic find hat that just has a ton of Int on it. |
| 20:46.56 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 20:47.12 | Torhal|work | Hawt? |
| 20:47.16 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:48.42 | Arrowmaster | do not want http://imgur.com/a/yQXs5 |
| 20:49.15 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: holy shit. |
| 20:49.33 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 20:49.36 | Unkle | NOT what you want to find when you open a panel. |
| 20:49.59 | Unkle | I've had wasps - lots of them - but never snakes. |
| 20:50.00 | alestane | Are those cottonmouths? They're definitely venomous, whatever they are. |
| 20:50.49 | alestane | They were probably attracted to the warmth. |
| 20:51.42 | Arrowmaster | "It is a rat snake of some kind, or possibly a king snake. Harmless. Definitely not a cottonmouth." |
| 20:52.05 | Dagmar | Snakes on a mothafuckin' backplane! |
| 20:52.23 | Arrowmaster | ~lart Dagmar |
| 20:52.23 | purl | executes killall -HUP Dagmar |
| 20:52.42 | alestane | I suppose they might be. They're not showing fangs, but the shape of the head looked like one of the poisonous varieties to me. Admittedly, it's been ages since my childhood ambition was to be a herpetologist. |
| 20:52.46 | Unkle | Yeah, doesn't look like one of the venomous types in the southern us. |
| 20:53.05 | Dagmar | Kerosene can make sure of that |
| 20:53.17 | Arrowmaster | adds snakes to the list of reasons not to move to the south |
| 20:53.25 | alestane | Rat snakes, mostly likely, then. |
| 20:53.35 | Torhal|work | I remember snakes in Ohio, man. |
| 20:53.45 | Arrowmaster | little ones |
| 20:53.48 | Kraps | whats that mmochamp-type site for D3? |
| 20:53.56 | Unkle | I used to spend a lot of time in rural Texas and Oklahoma - always had to check everything for scorpions and copperheads. |
| 20:54.06 | Unkle | mmo-champ |
| 20:54.17 | Kraps | no :p |
| 20:54.33 | Kraps | http://www.diablofans.com |
| 20:55.26 | Amarande | mutters about the printer unfriendliness of noxxic |
| 20:55.30 | Unkle | I just link to stuff from mmo-champion. |
| 20:55.42 | Bibi | and we like you for that. |
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| 20:56.07 | Dagmar | Printing is something you do for children. |
| 20:56.11 | Amarande | also: according to them, their optimal frost mage rotation involves only perhaps a slight majority of frost spells :blink |
| 20:56.18 | Amarande | something doesn't seem right about this guide. |
| 20:56.23 | Dagmar | ...so they have fresh coloring pages for when they're in the car. |
| 20:56.25 | Kraps | bluh |
| 20:57.15 | Kraps | Unkle, what do you mean, mmochamp just has links to there |
| 20:57.30 | Dagmar | My filing cabinet is a lot easier to deal with now that I'm just dropping CDrs into the hanging files |
| 20:57.33 | Unkle | Yeah. I go to mmo-champ and then just click the links. |
| 20:57.34 | Unkle | :P |
| 20:57.51 | Kraps | figured :D |
| 20:59.11 | Kraps | "Vote Kick requires 3 players and is only available in public games." |
| 20:59.54 | Kraps | so if theres 3 players 2 vote |
| 21:00.16 | Amarande | 3 total players, or 3 people to vote yes? |
| 21:00.27 | Kraps | if theres 4 you need 3 yeses? |
| 21:00.37 | Kraps | yeah isk |
| 21:00.41 | Kraps | idk |
| 21:00.43 | Amarande | It sounds like it might need a minimum of 4, so that 3 can vote yes |
| 21:01.01 | Amarande | Also, does D3 have rolling on loot, or is it grab-and-go like D2? |
| 21:01.17 | foxlit | hm, need to vote to kick Amarande unanimously, then? That doesn't sound convinient. |
| 21:01.24 | Amarande | :P foxlit |
| 21:01.48 | Amarande | it seems overall that this vote kicking is really a very bad idea, though |
| 21:02.19 | Unkle | D3 has individual loot - any loot you see is yours. |
| 21:02.38 | Amarande | Ah |
| 21:02.52 | foxlit | still kicking Amarande. |
| 21:02.57 | foxlit | Clearly not pulling enough DPS! :P |
| 21:03.05 | Amarande | foxlit: actually, that's the other concern |
| 21:03.12 | Unkle | Clearly. He's being carried. Slacker. |
| 21:03.24 | Amarande | The Diablo games have had a notorious obsession with gear, and not just adequate gear but usually far excessive gear |
| 21:03.59 | Amarande | e.g., in D2, the culture of expectation was for people to have all that ebayed duped runeword crap and if you said that ebaying and cheating was stupid and insisted on playing legit, half the public players would label you a Noob |
| 21:04.00 | Unkle | You more or less want excessive gear. Especially to paper over your (my) weaknesses as a player. |
| 21:04.12 | foxlit | dreamhack SC2 finals are soon (<12 minutes?). PvZ, might be fun. |
| 21:04.29 | Amarande | Despite the fact that that's pretty much like using T13 to run RFC in so many of the cases of actual practise. :P |
| 21:05.20 | Amarande | Basically, it's one thing to have a comfortable gear edge, but the dupes and bots culture of D2 expected you to basically be on "Mack truck as a fly swatter" gear excess |
| 21:05.43 | Amarande | Which means, the concern about vote kick in D3 is pretty simple |
| 21:06.04 | Torhal|work | There is no comparison |
| 21:06.05 | Torhal|work | Literally |
| 21:06.08 | Torhal|work | D3 is nothing liuke D2 |
| 21:06.16 | Torhal|work | In fact, shit simply doesn't drop. |
| 21:06.34 | Amarande | With that culture of gear that the Diablo verse pushes for, surely there's probably going to become all too many groups, once there's a steady flow of high end gear through the RMAH, who will vote kick anyone who, essentially, hasn't spent enough of their paycheck on the RMAH to improve their gear? |
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| 21:06.54 | foxlit | Surely we needed to kick Amarande like 5 minutes ago? Guys?! :P |
| 21:06.56 | Amarande | In other words, unless you play exclusively solo or with established friends, D3 will become the ultimate P2W because if you don't pay, you'll get kicked before you barely even get to play? |
| 21:07.08 | Corrodias2 | Amarande? ignore the culture. lots of people who played D2 didn't use dupes, and didn't care. |
| 21:07.12 | Torhal|work | foxlit: I'm certainly not into 30 minutes of walls of text. |
| 21:07.28 | Amarande | Corrodias: I know. I played with Amazon Basin or solo in those days and rarely pubbed except for cows and baal |
| 21:07.39 | Corrodias2 | we didn't kick each other from groups just because we weren't decked out in all the ultimate dupes. |
| 21:07.42 | Amarande | recently, I either played solo or with the gf, with the exception of cows and Baal |
| 21:07.42 | Kaylin | though encouraging people to play AB or BB games solely severely restricted the community |
| 21:08.02 | Amarande | Corrodias: the thing about D2 though was it was next to impossible to actually *kick* someone (barring the extreme of disconnect hacks) |
| 21:08.27 | Amarande | The worst you could do to someone was have the rest of the people in game all unparty, which they had to do *one at a time*, and then reparty without the ostracised person |
| 21:08.46 | Kaylin | and pray they didn't tppk you until that was patched |
| 21:08.49 | Amarande | and perhaps hostile the other person if you really felt like being jerks |
| 21:08.53 | Corrodias2 | fair enough. as i recall, you also couldn't even see each other's equipment. |
| 21:09.37 | Corrodias2 | so it was really not at all like elitist dupers ostracizing legit players |
| 21:09.53 | Amarande | Corrodias: fair enough. D2 also had no means of vote kicking. |
| 21:10.15 | Amarande | D3 on the other hand, if there becomes a culture of gear elitism, it can be actively enforced via the game rules as far as some or other percentage of public games is concerned |
| 21:10.32 | Dagmar | Generally I thought checking out someone else's equiment without asking first was considered somewhere between incredible rude and unforgivably offensive. |
| 21:10.33 | Amarande | and if that percentage becomes too high, the players on the losing side have no choice but to stick solely to private games |
| 21:10.33 | Corrodias2 | i was fool enough to play the grind/farm game myself. i remember long nights of soloing cow levels in 8-person games. |
| 21:11.09 | Dagmar | It's liable to start fights in some of the more out-of-the-way bars. |
| 21:11.22 | Amarande | if they even were to *create* a public game it sounds that a bunch of gear-heads (not the engineering kind) could join the game and vote the original game creator off their own island |
| 21:11.32 | Amarande | Heh, Dagmar |
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| 21:11.41 | Corrodias2 | interesting, and a problem for those d3 players out there |
| 21:11.44 | Amarande | And actually, a fair number of D2 players could see other players' equipment |
| 21:12.11 | Amarande | Not legitimately, but even among people who wouldn't touch duping or bots with a ten foot pole, maphack was often regarded as a standard mod despite its technically being against the rules |
| 21:12.22 | Amarande | (particularly since fairly few people got banned for using MH alone) |
| 21:12.27 | Unkle | This is why I rarely ever join public games. |
| 21:12.34 | Corrodias2 | oh, my, yes, i loved it. even if only for its ability to re-color the text of items depending on their type. |
| 21:12.49 | Amarande | and apparently, some versions of MH allowed inspection of others' gear, IIRC |
| 21:13.08 | Corrodias2 | yeah, there was an inspection hack, although i don't recall if that was part of mousepad's mahpack, or a separate thing |
| 21:13.11 | Kaylin | you could see other people's gear in d2 with hacks or network sniffing, the stats are actually sent in order to determine which sprites to display on your character model with stat requirements, that's why there's the str bug issue and LoD characters commonly appear naked. Using that sort of information probably wasn't/isn't too common though. |
| 21:13.16 | Corrodias2 | i think there was another program that had plugins |
| 21:13.56 | Corrodias2 | i don't have any of my d2 installation any more, so i couldn't tell you its name |
| 21:14.09 | Corrodias2 | the memories are pretty vague at this point |
| 21:14.12 | Amarande | I never used it myself |
| 21:14.26 | Amarande | I decided not to in the days before I joined the Basin, and the Basin has very stringent standards of legitimacy |
| 21:14.40 | Corrodias2 | what's this basin? |
| 21:14.50 | Amarande | Amazon Basin, one of the larger of the legitimate D2 clans |
| 21:14.59 | Kaylin | that. |
| 21:15.00 | Corrodias2 | a d2 clan, interesting idea |
| 21:15.12 | Amarande | (indeed, I'm trying to think if there were any other especially large legit clans except that as I remember Dominus Nihil had a D2 branch as well) |
| 21:15.25 | Kaylin | baron's bazaar |
| 21:15.28 | Kaylin | we were smaller though |
| 21:15.57 | Amarande | Yeah, I've seen BB ... I thought of that more as a trading post than a player community though :S |
| 21:16.14 | Kaylin | meh, depends, but yea it was harder to find people on |
| 21:17.10 | Amarande | Basin has and still does run private games for community members only (although I've not seen people on very often from USWest in SCNL. It seems that the preferred mode of late has become HCL, and/or the population mainly plays on East now) |
| 21:17.56 | Kaylin | yea I switched to east, though I'm casual enough I just play NL these days |
| 21:19.00 | Amarande | My personal preference is that SC is best played NL, while HC is best played Ladder |
| 21:19.29 | Kaylin | I tend to agree, simply based off character attachment, exceptions made for farming ladder only gear but yea |
| 21:21.17 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/owcNF.jpg |
| 21:21.37 | Torhal|work | lolwut |
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| 21:22.00 | Amarande | yup. SC characters are permanent, and so is non-ladder mode |
| 21:22.10 | Amarande | whereas both HC characters and Ladder seasons are temporary |
| 21:23.12 | Unkle | Ackis, your drain is clogged. Looks like you got some pom in there. |
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| 21:25.28 | Ackis | not my pom but it made me half-smile on a shitty day like today |
| 21:25.33 | Ackis | has two poms now |
| 21:25.41 | Ackis | 2 dogs, 5 cats, 3 hermit crabs, 1 wife |
| 21:27.13 | Kraps | will there be a web armory for diablo? |
| 21:29.18 | Unkle | eventually. |
| 21:29.43 | Unkle | Ackis: Before you know it, you'll be adding children to that list. |
| 21:30.31 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/NYg5j.jpg made my day |
| 21:31.39 | Ackis | my wife finally told her dad that she got married last night and the first question he asked was about grandbabies |
| 21:32.15 | Unkle | Duh. |
| 21:33.44 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/MZh36.jpg |
| 21:37.30 | Kraps | ^ this is why i will never build a custom pc from scratch |
| 21:37.50 | Kraps | also having limited mobility makes it hard |
| 21:37.55 | Kraps | :p |
| 21:39.52 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: those things are so annoying |
| 21:40.04 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 21:45.12 | Amarande | Kraps: heh, in actual practise it's a good bit simpler |
| 21:49.16 | Amarande | generally, there's only one or two such connectors of each group that is in actual use |
| 21:49.55 | Amarande | IDE is practically obsolete, SCSI is rarely seen outside of enterprise systems, DDR3 is pretty much the only desktop RAM type anymore, etc. |
| 21:54.20 | Amarande | wow, I have never ever heard of a CRIMM Spacer before |
| 21:54.27 | Amarande | what used those? *headscratch* |
| 22:00.19 | Adys | sweet |
| 22:00.24 | Adys | one patch less required for diablo 3 |
| 22:01.31 | Kraps | The Battle.net Dial-in Authenticator currently supports only World of Warcraft. The dial-in authenticator cannot be used to protect a Diablo III or StarCraft II account. |
| 22:01.33 | Kraps | ah |
| 22:01.40 | Adys | wtf? |
| 22:01.42 | Adys | what is that? |
| 22:01.52 | Torhal|work | You call Blizzard. |
| 22:01.54 | Torhal|work | Dial-in. |
| 22:02.08 | Adys | how does that even work |
| 22:02.18 | Kraps | When the Battle.net Dial-in Authenticator's protection activates, you will see a message displaying a toll-free phone number when you attempt to log in. Call this number and enter your PIN plus a single-use security code that we display on your game screen. Your login should complete within seconds. |
| 22:02.29 | Adys | oh ok |
| 22:02.34 | karl_w_w | well there is this new fangled invention called a telephone... |
| 22:02.38 | Adys | so it actually needs client modifications |
| 22:02.53 | Adys | no i was wondering wtf this shit was about only being supported on wow, made no sense |
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| 22:03.27 | karl_w_w | how is that any safer though |
| 22:03.50 | clever | karl_w_w: the pin is never entered on your pc |
| 22:03.55 | clever | keyloggers cant tap your phone |
| 22:03.55 | Amarande | or you could, like, use your Android phone and install the authenticator app |
| 22:03.58 | Kraps | so claims of "i had an authenticator and d3 got hacked!" are because of this |
| 22:04.06 | karl_w_w | hm |
| 22:04.28 | clever | karl_w_w: plus they could use callerid records to track who hacked you if your pin was stolen |
| 22:05.14 | Kraps | The Battle.net Dial-in Authenticator is not currently compatible with StarCraft II or Diablo III, though that may change in the future. |
| 22:05.40 | clever | Kraps: probly just needs a new .dll and a moduleLoad call in the rpc |
| 22:05.43 | Kraps | i have sms and the mobile auth :) |
| 22:05.46 | Arrowmaster | i suspect they use callerid to lock it to only working from certain numbers per account, otherwise it sounds stupid |
| 22:05.49 | clever | dont ask how i know :P |
| 22:06.04 | clever | Kraps: the sms stuff seems useless |
| 22:06.16 | clever | Kraps: they demand it for rmah, then never actualy text me any codes :P |
| 22:06.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster: im starting to like blizzard though, auth-wise |
| 22:06.23 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:06.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: they would be a great oauth provider with some more changes |
| 22:06.34 | karl_w_w | they text you when your password changes right? |
| 22:06.35 | clever | Kraps: i threw it on my dads phone, and it hasnt gone off once |
| 22:06.38 | Adys | oauth/openid that is |
| 22:06.41 | karl_w_w | i dont see how that is useless |
| 22:06.41 | Kraps | maybe it depends on how much money is used |
| 22:07.10 | Kraps | i bought a thing for$1.64 and didnt get anything |
| 22:07.11 | clever | Adys: as long as the users understand, openid means only provide the pw on battle.net |
| 22:07.22 | clever | Adys: i'm an openid consumer, and i often see idiots putting there google name/pw on my old login form |
| 22:07.51 | Adys | clever: in the long term, the openid process needs to be integrated within the browser |
| 22:08.04 | Adys | mozilla had the right idea with browserid but their implementation is twattarded |
| 22:08.23 | Adys | Google is doing *something* about this |
| 22:08.33 | Adys | but im not sure if they'll go all the way with it |
| 22:09.02 | clever | Adys: i think its just a matter of education, runescape goes pretty far for that |
| 22:09.14 | Adys | clever: it's not |
| 22:09.16 | Adys | well |
| 22:09.21 | clever | and ie/firefox help, by highlighting the domain |
| 22:09.22 | clever | the key part |
| 22:09.28 | Adys | in the current state of affairs it is, of course |
| 22:09.32 | clever | so your not fooled by battle.net.hackers.r.us |
| 22:10.03 | Adys | yes |
| 22:10.09 | Adys | but this is in the current scheme |
| 22:10.19 | clever | which reminds me, ive been getting emails lately about attempts to fell my runescape account |
| 22:10.22 | karl_w_w | i dont think anyone would be fooled by battle.net.hackers.r.us :P |
| 22:10.24 | clever | once, somebody may fall for it :P |
| 22:10.28 | clever | but daily? |
| 22:10.35 | clever | and its on the wrong email |
| 22:10.45 | clever | and the exact same format is now being used for daily warcraft emails :P |
| 22:10.46 | Adys | ideally, the openid protocol would be implemented by actual browser clients |
| 22:10.48 | Adys | not web clients |
| 22:11.27 | clever | Adys: there needs to be an https 3rd party to authenticate against, or the browser can just supply any id it wants |
| 22:11.46 | Adys | yeah, the protocol kind-of sort-of sucks |
| 22:11.57 | karl_w_w | what we need is unique subdermal implants |
| 22:12.09 | Unkle | No thanks |
| 22:12.11 | clever | crap, synergy refuses to work now |
| 22:12.26 | clever | karl_w_w: that only works if you have an accept button on your arm |
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| 22:12.35 | Adys | clever: the thing about openid is, its end-design is good, its implementation is poor, its popularity is mediocre |
| 22:12.42 | clever | karl_w_w: if its fully automatic, i can just wave a reader near you and empty your account :P |
| 22:12.53 | Adys | and auth's design is mediocre, its implementation is great and its popularity is excellent |
| 22:12.55 | Adys | :( |
| 22:12.57 | Adys | oauth* |
| 22:13.11 | clever | only oauth ive used is facebook |
| 22:13.25 | clever | interesting way to get access to all the other stuff they provide, and they are giving too much :P |
| 22:13.35 | clever | all i want is a unique id and email |
| 22:13.35 | nebula169 | isn't google stuff oauth based? |
| 22:13.46 | Arrowmaster | google uses both |
| 22:13.49 | Adys | nebula169: google supports oauth2 and openid |
| 22:13.52 | nebula169 | ah |
| 22:13.53 | clever | without even asking, facebook gives me first/last name, likes, dislikes, home town, place of work |
| 22:13.56 | clever | other stuff |
| 22:14.10 | Adys | clever: it does ask |
| 22:14.12 | clever | and just this week, it emailed me with stats, age range, male/female count, everything |
| 22:14.16 | Adys | it says "Personal information" |
| 22:14.25 | Adys | facebook is just fucking sneaky about it |
| 22:14.26 | clever | Adys: yeah, all of that is in the default package |
| 22:14.28 | karl_w_w | basic information* |
| 22:14.34 | clever | Adys: and my website cant opt-out |
| 22:14.39 | clever | its in the same ajax req as what i want |
| 22:14.47 | Adys | aye |
| 22:14.54 | Adys | which is why i was saying oauth's design is mediocre |
| 22:15.00 | Adys | i mean |
| 22:15.05 | Adys | oauth does what it want to do great |
| 22:15.11 | clever | its less to do with oath, and more what facebook provides in the ajax req |
| 22:15.16 | Adys | but not for the thing developers want to use it with |
| 22:15.24 | clever | needs seperate requests for that stuff |
| 22:15.47 | Adys | clever: it's a lot to do with facebook |
| 22:16.10 | Adys | a good oauth provider would provide *you* with the information the site asks before giving it to the site itself |
| 22:16.13 | clever | the stats are neat though, i can see exactly what age range uses facebook to login to my stuff |
| 22:17.14 | clever | lets see, 290 new installs, 406 lifetime users, and 352 monthly installs (up 193%) |
| 22:17.31 | clever | wait, no, 352 active monthly users |
| 22:17.33 | Amarande | I imagine the most reliable "unique ID" system that could be implemented easily in a computer sense is some sort of retinal or DNA based system |
| 22:17.39 | Amarande | probably retinal, for safety reasons |
| 22:17.54 | clever | Amarande: or even just fingerprint |
| 22:18.03 | clever | but then you have the problem of replay attacks |
| 22:18.07 | Amarande | the worst thing an eye scanner, properly produced, could do safety-wise is probably give a user pink eye or the like |
| 22:18.11 | foxlit | Amarande: steal data once, impersonate forever? |
| 22:18.17 | clever | foxlit: exactly |
| 22:18.43 | Adys | Amarande: reliable in what way? |
| 22:18.44 | alestane | http://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccae/my-little-pony-for-geeks |
| 22:18.59 | Adys | Amarande: reliable to get someone by uuid, yes; reliable security-wise? no |
| 22:19.02 | clever | openid and oauth involve no-once https:// calls to the 3rd party (end-user cant fudge), so that prevents impersonation/replay |
| 22:19.06 | Amarande | Adys: as in the identifying information can be absolutely tied to a unique party |
| 22:19.18 | Adys | Amarande: yes but whats the point of that? |
| 22:19.37 | Adys | whats hard is authentication, not identification |
| 22:19.49 | Adys | identification can be done with an email address |
| 22:20.40 | foxlit | client-side SSL certificates. Clearly. |
| 22:20.46 | Amarande | Well, I was thinking more like a steady level of ... hard to really say succinctly (there's probably a word, but I'm not 100% sure what it is), but it's a clear progression |
| 22:20.49 | foxlit | If only stealing them or losing them wasn't a concern. |
| 22:21.00 | Amarande | Credentials. I think that's the right word. |
| 22:21.15 | foxlit | Perhaps client-side SSL certificates on a physical dongle, requiring physical input. |
| 22:21.38 | clever | foxlit: my dads work used something like that to encrypt pdf's at one time |
| 22:21.53 | Amarande | At the lowest level, you have something like, say, someone's name. But that can be used by anyone who knows the name of the person who has access to things, so it's not at all secure. |
| 22:22.31 | Amarande | Then you have the classical password, which is more secure than something public like a name, but it's also only a secure credential to the level of "people who might happen to somehow know the password" (which isn't very secure, as anyone who's been on the net for more than a short time is aware) |
| 22:23.36 | Amarande | Then you have something like a SSL certificate, but unless it's tied to a specific hardware signature, it's only a tier more secure because anyone who gets their hands on it can use it, although it's a little more secure than a password because a larger amount of information needs to be slotted and certs aren't always as simply added to things as "just type it in" like a password. |
| 22:24.04 | Amarande | Then you have something more secure like an SSL certificate tied to a specific hardware signature, but that still only narrows things down to "people using a particular machine". |
| 22:24.19 | Amarande | And at the highest end you have things like biometric credentials that are uniquely tied to a specific human being. |
| 22:24.45 | Amarande | Which suggests then, that having things use biometric credentials would provide the best security, right? |
| 22:25.10 | Arrowmaster | biometric is expensive and not accurate |
| 22:27.10 | foxlit | Amarande: Which suggests then, that having things use biometric credentials would provide the best security, right? << no. |
| 22:27.22 | foxlit | The basic problem is very simple: you cannot change biometric credentials. Ever. |
| 22:27.38 | Corrodias2 | unless you get injured |
| 22:27.45 | Amarande | Yeah, that's true, which does make there be the matter of ensuring remotely that the alleged biometric info comes from an actual reading of the person's body and not from a program simply injecting the scan results as a file into the stream |
| 22:27.45 | Corrodias2 | and then you're permanently locked out of everything |
| 22:28.06 | foxlit | Someone took a high-resolution picture of your eye? Wave goodbye to your bank account. |
| 22:28.09 | Corrodias2 | Amarande: and that it's not, say, putty placed on the scanner |
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| 22:28.56 | Corrodias2 | foxlit: take a piece of shrapnel to the eye and wave goodbye to your bank account ;D |
| 22:28.57 | foxlit | And you can only ever hope to validate whether the biometric data is real or not during physical access control, which makes the method inapplicable for online security. |
| 22:29.04 | Amarande | Which pretty much demands a fully secure trusted network (which is why you see such things in military installations in spy movies, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're used in real private military installation networks as well), which the Internet is definitely not |
| 22:29.47 | Corrodias2 | are you you? the computer doesn't think so. I need to see some photo ID. ... hah, you can't fool me. this photo has both eyes in it! |
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| 22:30.29 | Arrowmaster | actually it was discovered that your eyes change as you age so biometrics using retinal scans arent very accurate |
| 22:30.41 | Amarande | (And even then there's the obvious workarounds, e.g. in said spy movies the spy or terrorists will invariably kill someone who has access to things and either chop off their hand to press into the hand scanner, or jam their eye up against the retinal scanner to force their way in ...) |
| 22:31.38 | Amarande | Granted, we're talking spy movie stuff here, where Chekhov's Gun is a trope that operates on an almost absolute level, i.e., you see a gadget and it is going to be exploited by one or the other side in SOME way or another, heh |
| 22:32.15 | Amarande | but, it does show the weaknesses of such a system. |
| 22:32.32 | Amarande | Arrow: interesting, the retinal patterns don't stay the same over time? |
| 22:32.46 | Amarande | Yeah, that wouldn't work out too well then I guess |
| 22:32.59 | Amarande | Retinal patterns change with age, fingerprints can be permanently damaged via injuries |
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| 22:33.55 | Amarande | DNA is inviolate (even the most mutagenic microbes and substances don't Resident Evil style alter enough of a human in actual life that it would be a problem if someone got sick), but getting a sample isn't exactly the safest idea |
| 22:33.56 | Kraps | alestane, huh most of them dont look like crap, probably because older gen ponies have more surface area to work with |
| 22:34.56 | Amarande | and, again, there's the problem of false credentials being injected into the system |
| 22:35.05 | Amarande | ultimately: the perfect security system doesn't exist. :) |
| 22:35.21 | Corrodias2 | congratulations |
| 22:35.27 | Stanzilla | the new MoP launcher looks meh :( |
| 22:35.54 | Amarande | Stan: what's new about it? |
| 22:35.54 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/38rpk.jpg |
| 22:36.00 | Stanzilla | Amarande: see screenshot |
| 22:36.05 | Amarande | *shrug* |
| 22:36.16 | Amarande | I barely ever look at the launcher anyway |
| 22:36.22 | Kraps | "Is it weird that id fuck some of these?" are you kidding me /notenoughfacepalmsexist |
| 22:36.42 | Amarande | Either it's up to date and I just click PLAY, or it needs patching in which case I wander off to irc or the web or such while it patches and then I click PLAY. |
| 22:36.51 | foxlit | That awkward, awkward kerning |
| 22:36.58 | Amarande | I think the only way I could have a problem with the launcher is if they made the PLAY button somehow hard to locate. :) |
| 22:37.02 | Kraps | Stanzilla, looks the same as previous |
| 22:37.09 | Stanzilla | Kraps: nope |
| 22:37.27 | Kraps | play button is a bit different |
| 22:37.28 | Stanzilla | foxlit: yeah and the white text in the SoR box that breaks out of the box |
| 22:37.41 | Stanzilla | Kraps: http://i.imgur.com/GHxVIl.jpg |
| 22:37.45 | Stanzilla | that's the old one |
| 22:38.10 | Kraps | eh |
| 22:38.30 | foxlit | http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv << SC2 Finals! |
| 22:39.28 | Stanzilla | the sc2 beta launcher looks bad, too :p |
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| 22:50.44 | mckenziemc | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HuckepackCrop.JPG o.o |
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| 22:58.05 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U6VaXIA3RWE#t=1160s holy crap indeed |
| 23:06.38 | Cairenn | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538313_317233748366050_323240307_n.jpg |
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| 23:15.01 | Unkle | Cairenn: precisely. |
| 23:15.09 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 23:24.15 | Kraps | "You can't beat Act II inferno without buying Act III gear from the AH and Blizzard gets their 15% cut." |
| 23:24.31 | Kraps | all that virtual currency |
| 23:24.45 | Kraps | they're really rolling in it now |
| 23:24.58 | Corrodias2 | therefore, nobody has ever made it past act 2 |
| 23:25.16 | Kraps | haha |
| 23:25.18 | Amarande | Someone would have had to make it past Act II to get the gear from Act III in the first place |
| 23:25.44 | foxlit | cute, but no. |
| 23:26.01 | foxlit | since they've changed the game since launch, people might've gotten into Act III using various mechanics exploits |
| 23:26.14 | foxlit | which have since been fixed |
| 23:26.19 | karl_w_w | you're an exploiter foxlit! |
| 23:26.21 | Amarande | foxlit: except that would kind of be a bad idea from a development standpoint |
| 23:26.40 | mckenziemc1 | doesn't meant it couldn't happen |
| 23:26.41 | Amarande | making it so that the market is organically dominated for weeks to come by the few people who managed to use an exploit while it was available |
| 23:26.55 | Amarande | not that this hasn't happened in Blizzard games before |
| 23:27.03 | Amarande | *cough* Cata PvP on many servers apparently |
| 23:28.40 | Amarande | Apparently, the first people to 85 got even more of a head start than intended, as I remember |
| 23:29.52 | Amarande | because the new points systems took so long to get ironed out properly at cata launch that the first people out of the gate got a lot more points than were intended to be available within that time frame |
| 23:30.08 | Amarande | (and let's not even get into the quagmire that was getting the rewards for Tol Barad properly balanced. heh) |
| 23:31.39 | TC-Work | thats nifty, MS's new tablet's magnetic cover is a mutli-touch keyboard. |
| 23:32.03 | foxlit | hm, is there a link to what came out of that press event? |
| 23:32.30 | Stanzilla | foxlit: http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-live-blog-tablet-announcement/ |
| 23:32.43 | Stanzilla | super cool |
| 23:32.49 | foxlit | oh, it's still going on. |
| 23:32.52 | Cairenn | http://live.cnet.com/Event/Microsofts_mystery_event_in_Los_Angeles?tag=breaking# |
| 23:32.58 | TC-Work | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/microsoft-major-announcement-livelog/ |
| 23:33.29 | Amarande | hmm, is the PvP rewards system for MoP the same as in Cata or being revamped again? |
| 23:33.53 | karl_w_w | why have i been seeing things about bath salts lately? have i missed something? |
| 23:34.04 | Amarande | bath salts go in the bathtub, karl |
| 23:34.14 | Corrodias2 | have they announced that windows 8 was just a prank the whole time, yet? |
| 23:34.22 | mckenziemc1 | oh hush |
| 23:34.32 | karl_w_w | sadly not Corrodias2 |
| 23:34.44 | karl_w_w | I'm waiting to wake up and find out it was a nightmare |
| 23:35.15 | TC-Work | the tablet has an i5, not too shabby |
| 23:35.24 | Kraps | "Someone out there has a set of likely valid username/password combinations with authenticators, and they're brute-forcing the logins with randomly-generated authenticator strings." |
| 23:38.34 | Amarande | yeah, Windows 8 looks like it's going to be total epic fail for desktops |
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| 23:39.40 | karl_w_w | it's actually not that bad |
| 23:39.52 | karl_w_w | it's problem is that it's a lot worse than win 7 |
| 23:39.54 | A-KO | it's better battery life on my laptop |
| 23:39.55 | A-KO | generally faster |
| 23:39.59 | karl_w_w | its* |
| 23:40.04 | A-KO | it's pretty damn awesome for me |
| 23:40.07 | A-KO | not sure what you're using |
| 23:40.16 | A-KO | but it's working really well for me |
| 23:40.17 | Amarande | well, I'm still trying to puzzle out how badly it's going to dovetail with legacy programs that follow a classical computer paradigm rather than the App paradigm that MS is trying to push with 8 |
| 23:40.30 | A-KO | easily 25-50% battery life increase on my Asus G74SX |
| 23:40.50 | Amarande | at least, Metro UI at least *looks* like it's seeking to dispose of traditional GUI computing once and for all and move the desktops into the App style as well |
| 23:41.02 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: legacy apps wont run in metro |
| 23:41.10 | A-KO | it has a desktop |
| 23:41.10 | Corrodias2 | which is something i don't want, because i'd have a tablet already if that's what i was after |
| 23:41.11 | TC-Work | but there is still a desktip |
| 23:41.13 | A-KO | it's not a huge problem |
| 23:41.14 | TC-Work | desktop* |
| 23:41.25 | sylvanaar | i just keep clicking where the start menu icon should be |
| 23:41.50 | sylvanaar | i cant let go |
| 23:42.06 | karl_w_w | every time i want to do something it takes 4 or 5 clicks |
| 23:42.07 | Amarande | Corrodias: not to mention, the sort of shift Metro pushes for is just hideous on desktops |
| 23:42.09 | A-KO | works out well for me, I dunno--when I inevitably get a touch screen laptop it'll be even better |
| 23:42.13 | karl_w_w | where it would take 1 or 2 in win 7 |
| 23:42.20 | A-KO | Amarande: Actually, not really, look up WinRT sometime. |
| 23:42.29 | karl_w_w | or i have to cover my desktop with shortcuts |
| 23:42.29 | A-KO | also, IE10 is 40-50ms faster than Chrome on Sunspider |
| 23:42.35 | Amarande | what is perfectly elegant for a 7-15" touchscreen tablet is just hideous for a 23"+ desktop screen with a mouse |
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| 23:42.36 | sylvanaar | my favorite are those little tiny back buttons you have to hit to get out of some metro apps |
| 23:42.38 | A-KO | consistently |
| 23:42.46 | Corrodias2 | i'm glad it works for you, A-KO. i really don't think that has anything to do with me, though. |
| 23:42.47 | Amarande | not to mention, the inputs are different between touchscreens and mice |
| 23:43.04 | Amarande | will we start having to train ourselves to more quickly let go of the mouse button, for instance? |
| 23:43.19 | Amarande | (because in order to unify the interface, holding down the mouse button too long will have to be treated equivalent to a long touch, right?) |
| 23:43.30 | sylvanaar | those squares made more sense for kinect |
| 23:43.55 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure the OS will be smart enough to differentiate between using a mouse and a touchscreen. |
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| 23:44.25 | karl_w_w | those squares make more sense for a "My First Computer" style thing |
| 23:44.29 | Amarande | OTOH, it does mean that even simple applications are going to have to be coded for a hugely increased number of inputs |
| 23:44.49 | TC-Work | Amarande: no, they specifically mentioned that it is tooled for both touch and keyboard/mouse |
| 23:44.57 | sylvanaar | huge squares -> good for kinect |
| 23:45.06 | Amarande | I mean, an application can't just expect to handle mouse inputs and survive in the 8 market, it would sound like |
| 23:45.16 | Amarande | It would also have to implement support for touch gestures |
| 23:45.17 | A-KO | I have yet to have a problem with it. It's working great here |
| 23:45.27 | karl_w_w | 8 market? lol |
| 23:45.50 | karl_w_w | 8 isn't even going to manage vista-level popularity |
| 23:45.59 | A-KO | Amarande: touch and mouse act similarly, for example, I've been playing Cut The Rope on it. Works fine with a mouse. Desktop still exists, with desktop apps. Desktop apps get a block on the Metro UI, which also let you pin to the desktop's launch bar. |
| 23:46.06 | sylvanaar | on a pc there is no special way to tell if you are using a touchscreen atm. |
| 23:46.26 | sylvanaar | touchscreens still have a usb cable that makes them look like a mouse |
| 23:46.28 | A-KO | It will be SIGNIFICANTLY different when you have a touch screen to use. |
| 23:46.39 | Amarande | I'm guessing with a unification that, for instance, we're going to get used to dragging the mouse a *lot* more often than we do in 7 and earlier? |
| 23:46.44 | Corrodias2 | i'll never HAVE a touch screen to use. why do you keep saying that? |
| 23:46.54 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Because every laptop come 2013 will have one |
| 23:46.57 | Unkle | I don't think I want a 23" touch screen. If I'm going to be moving my hands in a space that big, I'd rather the computer use a camera and recognize gestures. |
| 23:46.59 | A-KO | nearly every* |
| 23:47.00 | Corrodias2 | there's nowhere to put it. i'm not reaching forward onto my desk to touch the display. |
| 23:47.03 | Corrodias2 | i don't use a laptop |
| 23:47.04 | karl_w_w | <Corrodias2> i'll never HAVE a touch screen to use. why do you keep saying that? <- this. why would i want to use sub-standard input? |
| 23:47.22 | Amarande | hmm, that's something to ponder. |
| 23:47.28 | Amarande | does excessive dragging decrease the lifespan of mice? |
| 23:47.37 | TC-Work | Unkle: Leap Motion! |
| 23:47.39 | Amarande | vs., say, clicking a lot over the same time frame |
| 23:47.47 | Corrodias2 | this would make sense -- no, it would be less nonsensical -- if i were only using tablets and laptops |
| 23:47.52 | A-KO | Amarande: I have not had excessive dragging on my Windows 8 laptop. In fact, I'm going to be hooking a trackball up to it tonight also. |
| 23:47.56 | sylvanaar | Amarande: when they had balls |
| 23:48.12 | A-KO | Amarande: You're confusing the fact that it also very much has a desktop. The only thing that's kind of a pain in the ass desktop-wise is shutting down the PC. |
| 23:48.24 | A-KO | that's about it |
| 23:48.25 | Amarande | sylvanaar: yeah, I was thinking more whether touchscreen-style gestures would result in decreased lifespan of the circuits and switches in the mouse button |
| 23:48.27 | A-KO | everything else is great. |
| 23:48.32 | Corrodias2 | nope, the rest sucks |
| 23:48.36 | Unkle | TC-Work: Nah, Minority Report gestures. |
| 23:48.46 | Amarande | due to the fact that with a greater gesture emphasis, you'd be holding down the button a lot more in order to drag, equivalent to a touchscreen user moving their finger across the screen |
| 23:49.03 | sylvanaar | Amarande: for a multitouch mouse? the only one i have used had no buttons on it. |
| 23:49.04 | karl_w_w | The only thing that's kind of a pain in the ass desktop-wise is shutting down the PC. <- and trying to run programs |
| 23:49.11 | Corrodias2 | tell me, does that "charms bar" appear on the desktop, even if the program you're using doesn't use it? |
| 23:49.19 | Corrodias2 | in every corner of every display? |
| 23:49.20 | TC-Work | Unkle: yes, you should be able to do that...even w/o the silly glove |
| 23:49.20 | A-KO | Corrodias2: I dunno, it boots significantly faster, logs in faster, OS works faster, snappier, system battery lasts longer, OS is more secure OOB. Games are a tad faster on it, with reports of League of Legends hitting near double digit gains in FPS. |
| 23:49.28 | sylvanaar | there is still WIN-R |
| 23:49.30 | Amarande | and yeah, that's another thing that's going to be baffling for how they can possibly unify touchscreen tablets and the desktop into one OS |
| 23:49.36 | Amarande | how the hell do you do multitouch with a mouse? :scratch |
| 23:49.38 | A-KO | Amarande: trust me, it works. |
| 23:49.43 | sylvanaar | you can use it to shutdown and start programs |
| 23:49.56 | sylvanaar | Amarande: apple magic mouse |
| 23:49.57 | Amarande | touchscreens let you touch the screen in more than one spot and that gesture is a vital part of touchscreen app paradigm |
| 23:49.57 | Unkle | TC-Work: I saw a video a few weeks ago of some prototypes - let me see if I bookmarked it… |
| 23:49.59 | TC-Work | Amarande: sep-are-ate |
| 23:50.00 | A-KO | Amarande: Because their expectation is that LCDs and Windows 8 certified devices will ALL hvae touch screens, whether intended as a 'tablet' or not. |
| 23:50.29 | Corrodias2 | faster than the system i have now? i have my doubts, and i have SERIOUS doubts that League of Legends would run at lower than 60fps on this system, but okay, we'll play ball. |
| 23:50.38 | Unkle | Bah I didn't. |
| 23:50.40 | Corrodias2 | how about the interface issues? charms bar getting in your way when you play? |
| 23:51.05 | sylvanaar | Amarande: nah, OSX Lion supports multitouch on laptops and trackpads too. you dont have to touch the screen |
| 23:51.07 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Full screen games turn off the charm stuff, at least, fullscreen desktop games. Haven't had any issue whatsoever. Charm is a desktop-oriented thing. It's also got some very high tolerance. |
| 23:51.14 | Amarande | The only way I can think of multitouch working on a desktop without touch would be if there's more than one mouse pointer and you're expected to purchase two mice, heh |
| 23:51.29 | Amarande | Otherwise, I mean, that's the trouble |
| 23:51.41 | sylvanaar | Amarande: the entire mouse surface is a multiouch pad essentially |
| 23:51.56 | A-KO | Corrodias2: I've been playing WoW on it for a while now. The only thing that caused me to go back to 7 briefly was network driver issues with 8, but are now fixed with the release preview. |
| 23:52.01 | Amarande | Multitouch works because the equivalent to a "click" in a touchscreen is to touch the spot on the screen you want to click on. There's no "pointer" unless you're dragging. |
| 23:52.05 | Corrodias2 | searchable start menu that you can customize? |
| 23:52.06 | Unkle | TC-Work: Essentially the team that got tasked to make the gesture interfaces for the movie were a realy UI research team picked for the movie for their work in this area, and they showed off a prototype. I think it's on YouTube |
| 23:52.26 | Amarande | On a desktop, there's only the one mouse pointer, and only the one device that moves a mouse pointer, so if you had two mouse pointers how would you tell it which one to use? :S |
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| 23:52.46 | A-KO | Corrodias2: All of that stuff has been merged into Metro. But any app that *isn't* a metro app will push back to the desktop. So, you hit start button, it takes you to metro. You click "office app", it takes you back to desktop. |
| 23:52.57 | sylvanaar | Amarande: you havent used OSX Lion i guess |
| 23:53.02 | A-KO | pinning to the screen works fine on the sides |
| 23:53.03 | Amarande | sylvanaar: nope. I've never had a Mac. |
| 23:53.06 | A-KO | multi-monitor works fine |
| 23:53.15 | Corrodias2 | two transitions, smooth. that doesn't answer the question, though, do you have a customizable, searchable menu / screen? |
| 23:53.16 | karl_w_w | A-KO: except metro is shit |
| 23:53.17 | Amarande | how does OSX Lion handle multitouch? |
| 23:53.26 | sylvanaar | you take 4 fingers and swipe left or right to switch between apps |
| 23:53.29 | sylvanaar | for examples |
| 23:53.37 | Unkle | Found it - http://www.ted.com/talks/john_underkoffler_drive_3d_data_with_a_gesture.html |
| 23:53.39 | Amarande | or is Apple doing away with a traditional mouse altogether and instead using a special tracking device that you touch? |
| 23:53.41 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Metro is customizeable, yes. You can put the blocks anywhere, move 'em around, etc. |
| 23:53.41 | TC-Work | or up and down |
| 23:53.54 | Corrodias2 | make your own blocks? |
| 23:54.01 | karl_w_w | i dont need my start menu replacement to cover the whole screen |
| 23:54.02 | TC-Work | Unkle: I'll look at it in a bit |
| 23:54.12 | karl_w_w | i need it to be how the start menu is now |
| 23:54.14 | Amarande | in other words, mice themselves are slated to die, to be replaced with devices like that horrible track pad every laptop comes with and so many laptop users' approach to is "gah, time to buy a real mouse" |
| 23:54.21 | A-KO | I pretty much plan on buying Win8 as soon as it comes out for my new desktop build. |
| 23:54.22 | Amarande | is that how it works? |
| 23:54.23 | Corrodias2 | does it leave your programs on the correct display when it's swapping modes back and forth? not to mention that i never really wanted a -fullscreen- start menu, but i assume i can live with it |
| 23:54.47 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: you have that option |
| 23:54.53 | sylvanaar | you can still disable it cant you? by renaming some dll |
| 23:54.59 | TC-Work | Amarande: no |
| 23:55.07 | A-KO | Corrodias2: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/21/enhancing-windows-8-for-multiple-monitors.aspx |
| 23:55.09 | karl_w_w | yeah TC-Work, it's called windows 7 |
| 23:55.20 | TC-Work | you can disable it in the menus, it's the 'clasicl' look |
| 23:55.27 | TC-Work | clasic* |
| 23:55.41 | Amarande | Yeah, I've apparently heard there actually is a way to turn off Metro in the registry, too (which might be this "classic" thing) |
| 23:55.42 | TC-Work | classic* |
| 23:55.54 | Amarande | ... which, apparently, makes Windows 8 nothing more than an updated version of Windows 7, on balance |
| 23:56.08 | sylvanaar | i hate that everything is square. i think it looks terrible, and explorer looks like office 2007 |
| 23:56.13 | Amarande | which isn't really a good thing for Microsoft, since apart from pre-built computers after 8 comes out, barely anyone will want to upgrade |
| 23:56.21 | A-KO | The Ribbon bar has been one of the best things MS has ever done |
| 23:56.24 | A-KO | personally |
| 23:56.27 | TC-Work | since it's going to be $25 as an upgrade or whatever, who cares |
| 23:56.31 | karl_w_w | LOL |
| 23:56.37 | Amarande | and the buzz I read on tech sites is that MS is targeting 8 as being something to upgrade to (it's targeted at the same hardware that ran 7) |
| 23:56.38 | karl_w_w | I think A-KO might be on crack |
| 23:56.39 | A-KO | When it first came out for Office 2007 I was hooked, and pretty much never again. |
| 23:56.40 | sylvanaar | yes but they didnt get it right until office 2010 |
| 23:56.41 | Corrodias2 | A-KO: i'll assume that's a yes, since it doesn't look like they directly address the problem i was reading about |
| 23:56.46 | nebula169 | everyone cries about every new version of windows |
| 23:56.54 | A-KO | sylvanaar: 2010 is better, but 2007 was okay. |
| 23:56.58 | A-KO | nebula169: ^^^ |
| 23:57.00 | karl_w_w | nobody cried about 7 or xp, nebula169 |
| 23:57.03 | A-KO | nebula169: I remember the Windows XP cries |
| 23:57.06 | A-KO | karl_w_w: oh yes they did |
| 23:57.11 | nebula169 | omg |
| 23:57.18 | A-KO | FUCKING CANDY COLORS, WHAT THE FUCK, I DON'T NEED THAT SHIT SLOWING DOWN MY COMPUTER |
| 23:57.19 | karl_w_w | not in comparison |
| 23:57.22 | nebula169 | i had firends with win 2k that bitched about xp for years |
| 23:57.23 | Corrodias2 | people complained about windows XP looking gaudy (which it did) and being slower (which it was) |
| 23:57.25 | A-KO | FUCK, ACTIVATION? FUCKING FUCK! LET ME GET XP ANTISPY |
| 23:57.25 | nebula169 | friends* |
| 23:57.32 | sylvanaar | 2010. it took that long to make an easy way to do paste unformatted text from a right click |
| 23:57.40 | Corrodias2 | A-KO: mm, yes, all valid complaints |
| 23:58.01 | Corrodias2 | you could turn the colors off, though not the other part |
| 23:58.26 | Amarande | One of the larger fears about 8 and later is that ultimately we're going to be all but *forced* to use Metro, though |
| 23:58.31 | Amarande | Remember the MS product life cycle policy. |
| 23:58.34 | A-KO | Corrodias2: They weren't, though. But I came from a 2K environment, and 2K back in the day was god damn atrocious, especially with home-oriented stuff. XP was a big, big breath of fresh air to get off of the 9x core and to an NT core on the desktop. It was a huge, huge technical leap. |
| 23:58.59 | Amarande | Eventually, 7 is going to stop getting security updates, and then if you don't want people to use their "leet hax" on your machine, you'll have to switch to 8 or 9 or whatever's current at that point. |
| 23:59.23 | Amarande | Doesn't help that by then you'll also very likely be using a public Internet address on your personal machine again. |
| 23:59.28 | Corrodias2 | microsoft won't keep the Desktop around forever. they can't limit the Desktop Apps to their Store. |
| 23:59.31 | A-KO | XP single handedly resolved 99% of the crashing issues that plagued 9x. Hell, back in 9x I used ot have "Norton Crashguard". |
| 23:59.33 | Cairenn | Just like the StarTrek movies, Windows has the same rule of thumb - every other one is okay |
| 23:59.41 | Unkle | I installed Windows 2K to learn it for a personal project. I knew pretty much nothing going in. I decided after 3 weeks of using it that I actually knew less than when I started and dropped it. |
| 23:59.46 | Corrodias2 | yes, 2k and XP were much better than 9x. |
