| 00:09.33 | arton | :\ |
| 00:44.33 | shifuimam | when you inherit a template for something like a button, are any properties explicitly NOT inherited? |
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| 02:10.45 | Arrowmaster | lol any webpage can run commands as root on kindle touch |
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| 02:31.31 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: cite? |
| 02:31.49 | bleeter | not that I don't doubt it's possible in some environments for such cockups to happen |
| 02:32.01 | bleeter | just wouldn't mind seeing an article or similar that I can pass on :) |
| 02:32.11 | Arrowmaster | http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175368 |
| 02:32.50 | bleeter | cheers |
| 02:42.15 | Ackis | hmmm I won a watch today, but it's too small for my wrist :( |
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| 03:08.58 | kd3 | ok, before I go to bed. some random non-answering for you: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/v58pb/frog_in_hailstone/c51h6os |
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| 04:11.37 | Jamash | Prometheus isn't very good. |
| 04:21.45 | Arrowmaster | Adys_: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/236/396/997.jpg would so watch |
| 04:22.16 | Jamash | hell yes |
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| 04:27.24 | Adys_ | lol |
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| 06:25.52 | karl_w_w | <Fisker> whats funny karl_w_w ? <- the perv look on the guy's face |
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| 07:48.31 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i found this one earlier: http://i.imgur.com/BZPPV.png |
| 07:49.47 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 07:49.50 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 07:50.00 | Adys | jnwhiteh: see the name :P |
| 07:50.05 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 07:50.49 | Adys | also jnwhiteh theres a lvl 47 with 957 dps weap on ah atm |
| 07:53.05 | Adys | jnwhiteh: you up for some watchtower runs? im chaining a few atm |
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| 08:56.01 | bluworkcow | LOL http://osxdaily.com/2012/06/15/maps-icon-in-ios-6-has-directions-driving-off-a-bridge-humor/ |
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| 09:08.54 | Wobin | "This is obviously a joke" |
| 09:09.06 | Wobin | "We can't admit someone would make such a stupid mistake" |
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| 09:12.25 | karl_w_w | what the fuck |
| 09:13.10 | karl_w_w | are people so incapable of thinking for themselves that they assume it means drive off the bridge? |
| 09:13.17 | Elkano | Wobin, considering what accidents happend due to people blindly following driving assistant's advice, I wouldn't be that sure about it... |
| 09:13.21 | karl_w_w | it means turn left |
| 09:13.52 | karl_w_w | if u cant work out how to turn left there for yourself you have bigger problems than some satnav directions |
| 09:19.26 | Wobin | Elkano: you mean karl_w_w |
| 09:19.52 | Wobin | I meant more "We can't admit someone in our graphics department could make such a stupid mistake" |
| 09:20.10 | Wobin | "So we'll pass it off as a 'joke' |
| 09:20.11 | Wobin | " |
| 09:20.19 | Elkano | nice dodge ;) |
| 09:20.24 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 09:20.31 | Wobin | I -know- people are stupid |
| 09:20.39 | Wobin | that's why I can't believe it was deliberate |
| 09:27.12 | wereHamster | Hanlon's razor.. |
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| 09:35.41 | mikma | hi tom, by tom, hi tom unaffiliated |
| 09:35.46 | mikma | bye* :P |
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| 09:38.21 | Humbedooh | sure, make fun of tom :| |
| 09:40.13 | mikma | ok, rtharper: haahaa! |
| 09:40.28 | rtharper | lol |
| 09:40.29 | rtharper | hihi? |
| 09:40.34 | rtharper | has no unaffiliation |
| 09:40.36 | rtharper | no one loves me |
| 09:40.47 | rtharper | err |
| 09:40.50 | rtharper | has no affiliation |
| 09:41.15 | Humbedooh | gives rtharper some luvin' |
| 09:41.21 | rtharper | <3 |
| 09:41.52 | Humbedooh | at least your affiliation doesn't cause boos in certain channels ;> |
| 09:42.22 | mikma | rtharper: rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) has joined #wowuidev |
| 09:42.28 | rtharper | dats me |
| 09:42.44 | mikma | unaffiliated! |
| 09:42.52 | rtharper | googles Humbedooh |
| 09:42.58 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 09:43.10 | Humbedooh | that'll probably result in a bajillion mailing list replies |
| 09:44.00 | rtharper | ooh, you are on twitter |
| 09:44.15 | rtharper | följer dig. |
| 09:44.23 | Humbedooh | why of course I am - with a massive following of...6 people now! :D |
| 09:44.45 | Humbedooh | wonders why his mod_authz_dynamic module is no. 3 on google's result list... o.O |
| 09:44.57 | mikma | http://i.qkme.me/368atb.jpg |
| 09:45.03 | rtharper | is followed by all the gays |
| 09:45.22 | rtharper | also, your name doesn't look very Danish |
| 09:45.28 | Humbedooh | it's Dutch :) |
| 09:45.31 | rtharper | ah |
| 09:45.47 | rtharper | are you originally from the Dutchlands? |
| 09:46.11 | karl_w_w | wow fuck you |
| 09:46.22 | Humbedooh | my Family emigrated in uhm, the 17th century or something |
| 09:46.29 | rtharper | oho kay |
| 09:46.37 | rtharper | so you're Danish for reals |
| 09:46.40 | karl_w_w | zone out of cave of the betrayer, suddenly champion lacuni everywhere |
| 09:46.54 | rtharper | karl_w_w: u mad , bro? |
| 09:47.00 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 09:47.06 | mikma | how nice that you drop in and start with that line, karl_w_w |
| 09:47.15 | rtharper | yes |
| 09:47.42 | Humbedooh | rtharper, well mostly Danish anyway :) |
| 09:48.04 | rtharper | Humbedooh: we are watching Forbrydelslen |
| 09:48.11 | rtharper | and Jim now has enough Swedish to pick out DAnish words |
| 09:48.12 | rtharper | and be like |
| 09:48.13 | rtharper | O.o |
| 09:48.18 | rtharper | that's how they say it? |
| 09:48.21 | karl_w_w | I aim to please mikma |
| 09:48.31 | mikma | please me please, say that you please me.... oh wait |
| 09:48.43 | Humbedooh | rtharper, Forbrydelsen 1 or 2? :) |
| 09:48.46 | rtharper | 2 |
| 09:48.50 | Humbedooh | I never got around to watching 1 :\ |
| 09:48.52 | rtharper | oh |
| 09:48.57 | rtharper | It's...different |
| 09:49.00 | rtharper | the pace is much slower |
| 09:49.00 | Humbedooh | but I hear it was good |
| 09:49.03 | rtharper | yeah |
| 09:49.05 | rtharper | I really liked it |
| 09:49.28 | Humbedooh | I suppose you gotta watch Borgen as well, now that you're hooked on Forbrydelsen |
| 09:49.37 | Humbedooh | (or whatever it's called in English) |
| 09:49.50 | Humbedooh | the one that won a bafta award not long ago |
| 09:49.58 | rtharper | it's called Borgen |
| 09:50.00 | rtharper | heh |
| 09:50.15 | rtharper | or I think technically The Castle, but everyone calls is Borgen |
| 09:50.39 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/XQq51 time to turn into religion |
| 09:50.40 | Humbedooh | s/The/the/ :( |
| 09:50.54 | rtharper | lol why? |
| 09:51.24 | mikma | cause christian bale would be so cool jesus |
| 09:51.32 | rtharper | mikma: I'm not into Christian Bale =p |
| 09:51.36 | Humbedooh | we already have our own resident Jesus :| |
| 09:51.45 | Humbedooh | looks towards Torhal |
| 09:51.55 | rtharper | what's he look like? |
| 09:52.25 | mikma | rtharper: like, http://imgur.com/gallery/XQq51 |
| 09:52.33 | rtharper | lolz borg: [b̥ɒːˀw] |
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| 09:52.46 | rtharper | haha |
| 09:52.49 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/thumbman/avatars/0/618/300x312/100_2135.jpeg.-m0.png |
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| 09:54.29 | mikma | Humbedooh: looks like Torhal |
| 09:54.38 | Humbedooh | mikma, yes, doesn't it? |
| 09:54.48 | mikma | yes, cause it is ;) |
| 09:54.55 | Humbedooh | I know! |
| 09:54.56 | Torhal | Because it IS Torhal. |
| 09:55.00 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/5nDIS |
| 09:55.08 | Torhal | disintegrates Humbedooh. |
| 09:55.20 | rtharper | zomg jesus |
| 09:55.22 | rtharper | also, lolz |
| 09:55.36 | Torhal | Holy FUCK. |
| 09:55.37 | rtharper | Torhal: you look like one of my former students |
| 09:55.42 | mckenziemc | reinterates Torhal. |
| 09:55.47 | Torhal | I cannot get away from the whole "Jesus" stigma. |
| 09:55.51 | mckenziemc | reintegrates* >.> |
| 09:56.03 | Humbedooh | spellchecks mckenziemc |
| 09:56.36 | Humbedooh | Torhal, I managed to get away from it :) I got a hair cut |
| 09:56.43 | Torhal | rtharper: If by "look like" you mean "have similar hair and beard" then I suppose that is inetivable. |
| 09:56.50 | rtharper | Torhal: yes |
| 09:56.59 | Torhal | Aside from that…meh |
| 09:58.00 | Torhal | No matter which State I visit, at least one (and usually WAY more) tell me I look like Jesus. |
| 09:58.18 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 09:59.15 | rtharper | hey, Jesus was probably an okay dude |
| 09:59.17 | rtharper | if you like hippies |
| 09:59.50 | Torhal | The inherant problem is that Jesus was more than likely more Arabic than Caucasian. |
| 10:00.49 | bluworkcow | I was thinking drummer from Metalicca |
| 10:01.12 | mckenziemc | i was thinking die bluspacecow |
| 10:02.21 | Humbedooh | Torhal, or Indian according to some theories ;3 |
| 10:02.40 | Humbedooh | bluworkcow, Lars Ulrich? no...just no |
| 10:03.07 | Humbedooh | I like his dad tho' |
| 10:03.25 | Humbedooh | he looks a lot like Jesus too |
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| 10:15.42 | Stanzilla | Torhal: how about a haircut? |
| 10:17.15 | Torhal | Stanzilla: How about being French? |
| 10:17.30 | Stanzilla | Torhal: that's mean |
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| 10:29.26 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.45 | mikma | k |
| 10:31.38 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 11:07.26 | karl_w_w | how do you find items with "x - y Damage" on them on the AH? |
| 11:12.16 | jnwhiteh | Adys: server is up |
| 11:12.18 | jnwhiteh | fwiw |
| 11:14.43 | Adys | jnwhiteh: address? |
| 11:14.48 | Adys | karl_w_w: not implemented, wait for 1.0.3 |
| 11:17.40 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lol -server? |
| 11:24.52 | Fisker | lol-server? |
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| 11:59.00 | bleeter | haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=youtu.be&t=49m57s |
| 12:19.48 | cbreak | why are the Diablo 3 ToU in german? |
| 12:20.40 | cbreak | I have the english diablo, set to english, in european region |
| 12:21.59 | cbreak | ah, what ever, not like it applies to me if I accept it when it's unreadable |
| 13:02.56 | haste | bleeter: good Q&A is good |
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| 14:36.17 | Amarande | Yay, Azeroth reclaims a devotee :) |
| 14:36.43 | Amarande | also, the relative popularity of addons on curse right now kind of puzzles me heh |
| 14:37.11 | Amarande | is still trying to figure out how recount is far and away more popular than such essentials as omen, bartender, DBM, and auctioneer ... |
| 14:38.07 | foxlit | you have an odd definition of "essentials" |
| 14:39.34 | Amarande | Well, Omen and DBM have always been pretty much essentials for anyone who does group content |
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| 14:39.55 | Amarande | And Auctioneer has pretty much become a standard arrow in the quiver of everyone who uses the AH (and really who doesn't use the AH?) |
| 14:40.01 | foxlit | only if those people are incapable of using their heads. |
| 14:40.01 | Dagmar | Recount is something everyone trying to get through raid and heroics uses |
| 14:40.42 | foxlit | The default UI does threat, you know. And boss encounters are engineered with giant warning signs for almost anything you'd care about. |
| 14:41.12 | Dagmar | Yeah and some of us care about improving over time, as well as spotting the rare wild Clothadin |
| 14:41.32 | cbreak | neither omen nor dbm are that useful |
| 14:41.33 | Amarande | heh, the rare wild Clothadin |
| 14:42.01 | Amarande | Well actually, I would not be surprised to see a fair number of those in the 40-57 range in particular |
| 14:42.19 | cbreak | lots of HUDs like IceHud already feature a threat display, and these days threat is largely not an issue. And in modern content, bosses are like Dragon Ball enemies and yell all their major attacks way ahead in time |
| 14:42.41 | Amarande | Ah. The last content I've actually done/attempted is Cata launch heroics and BWD |
| 14:42.52 | Dagmar | Amarande; COnsidering that it's a 5% penalty to the primary stat, it's never going to be the right thing |
| 14:43.06 | Amarande | I just came back to WoW after quite a long hiatus, the last time I played was early last year |
| 14:43.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: I was mostly thinking of Holy paladins pre-Outland |
| 14:43.34 | Dagmar | Yeah well, if you try to wear a piece of cloth as a plate wearer, you now lose 5% of whichever stat is most precious to you |
| 14:43.45 | Amarande | Since you really don't get caster plate till outland and the stats (except stamina) on plate before that are completely worthless |
| 14:43.48 | Amarande | for holy, anyway |
| 14:44.04 | Dagmar | THey're better than the penalty |
| 14:44.07 | Amarande | also, you don't get the 5% primary stat bonus until 50, right? |
| 14:44.08 | cbreak | I've not used boss mods since years, and it wasn't much of an issue. Probably only important for healers who can't focus on the game because they have to run after noobs. |
| 14:44.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: You underestimate the ability of players to be douchebags. |
| 14:45.14 | Dagmar | If you deal with the LFR/LFG queue, you'll see people entertaining themselves by doing something incredibly stupid at least twice a week |
| 14:45.24 | Amarande | Heh, I remember that pretty well. |
| 14:45.43 | Dagmar | At max level, it's not really funny |
| 14:45.45 | Amarande | I still remember running UK on my priest and letting this death knight die eventually because he wouldn't stop standing in fire |
| 14:46.15 | Dagmar | I'm talking about things like running around with no talents, or hunters that _only_ auto-shot |
| 14:46.38 | Dagmar | One-spell Warlocks, etc. Something that will give them all the DPS of someone half their level |
| 14:46.42 | Amarande | (Predictably, he would then proceed to whine about the lack of heals. Even though I *had* initially been trying to keep him alive, and sometimes even succeeding, but mainly due to the tremendous OPness of Disc at the low 70s than to actual factors that should matter) |
| 14:47.15 | Dagmar | Let 'em die early, let 'em die often. |
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| 14:47.54 | Dagmar | If things are going properly with the other three people, it's possible to 4-man almost all the heroics |
| 14:49.13 | Dagmar | If there were an addon to cause another players hands to burst into flames, that would be the most popular addon on Curse |
| 14:49.58 | Amarande | Heh. |
| 14:50.23 | Dagmar | Blizz needs to do more permabans for douchbaggery, period. |
| 14:50.50 | cbreak | they could make forced character transfers |
| 14:50.54 | cbreak | all of them to the same server |
| 14:50.59 | cbreak | no cross-realm activities |
| 14:51.08 | Dagmar | If they'd put them all onto one Dbag Region I woulnd't care |
| 14:51.12 | Stanzilla | Blizzard should take Diablo3 back and make it a proper game, how about that |
| 14:51.37 | cbreak | I'd like that |
| 14:51.42 | Amarande | heh, except that who's going to judge douchebaggery? |
| 14:51.54 | Amarande | frequently, douchebags judge appropriate actions as being douchebaggery in and of themselves |
| 14:51.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Clearly you have not been in the queue lately |
| 14:52.13 | Amarande | let a terribad die as a healer? terribad will get his buddies to label you one. etc. |
| 14:52.20 | Dagmar | These are kids who I would *beat senseless* for acting that way on the street |
| 14:52.44 | Dagmar | There's no question about it when they're being douchebags. Anyone not -dead- at the keyboard knows when they're doing it. |
| 14:52.51 | Amarande | since I'm not sure there'd really be a way for it to be assessed formally except by player vote, something like making PlayerScore a core part of the game |
| 14:53.08 | Dagmar | You haven't found out about votekick either I see |
| 14:53.19 | Amarande | except, if you do it by player vote, then douchebags could bully reasonable people by threatening to mark them |
| 14:53.28 | Amarande | I've seen votekick abused now and again. |
| 14:54.04 | Dagmar | They get around it because there's apparently another cooldown that keeps them from being votekicked more often than would keep them out of the queue |
| 14:54.06 | Amarande | In the early weeks of cata my DK got booted from an H Deadmines run apparently for being a DPS DK (I went 10/12 hardmodes in ICC, I *did* know my class tyvm) |
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| 14:55.01 | Amarande | and according to the Blizzard forums, actually quite a lot of DPS DKs got votekicked to the point where people felt it was virtually an automatic thing (in order to let the group get a replacement from queue whose class had more robust CC) |
| 14:55.30 | Amarande | DPS warriors were in similarly dismal boats at the time too |
| 14:55.39 | Dagmar | I'm going to a paintball thing today with my brother and my dad |
| 14:55.50 | Dagmar | It's going to be really hard to not ask about mounting a bayonette |
| 14:56.10 | Dagmar | I may just ask the other team outright "It's best if you tell me you don't play WoW" |
| 14:56.34 | Amarande | The typical reaction to the complaints was IIRC "well, suck it up and tank." Except I had actually tried tanking on my DK at times. I found it not to be particularly fun. |
| 14:56.47 | Dagmar | The last thing someone like me needs is to have found out they're _really_ good with a rifle. |
| 14:57.03 | Dagmar | I may be taking some steps today to find out of tempura paint is a sterilizing agent |
| 14:57.09 | Amarande | Heh |
| 14:57.27 | Dagmar | There's probably not an achievement at htese places for taking out everyone with a nut shot |
| 14:57.39 | Amarande | And doesn't votekick specifically *not* apply the deserter debuff, if memory serves? Unless they changed that again? |
| 14:58.28 | Amarande | I remember that was either made the case at live release of the LFD or changed to be so shortly after LFD came out, precisely in order to prevent groups of bullies from votekicking players often enough that they never get to do an instance |
| 15:00.02 | Amarande | (Not to mention, otherwise it might be even more difficult than otherwise to get started as a tank later in the expansion, because you'd never get to do an instance due to high-geared DPS voting you out regularly in order to get a better-geared tank so they don't have to, you know, actually watch their threat and such.) |
| 15:03.47 | Amarande | And yeah, I haven't been in the queue lately. I haven't been in the queue since January 2011. |
| 15:06.49 | foxlit | pop quiz: What is the average lifespan of a fox? |
| 15:09.55 | Amarande | gah. |
| 15:09.58 | Amarande | what was that one panel called. |
| 15:10.08 | Amarande | the one I used to use all the time, that was kinda like Titan Panel but different |
| 15:10.21 | Adys | I'm amazed your keyboard never broke Amarande |
| 15:10.27 | Amarande | it was Ace based and had things for it like Ara Guild & Friends and such |
| 15:10.43 | Adys | and holy shit, that quiver i got is insane |
| 15:10.46 | *** join/#wowuidev AcidWeb (AcidWeb@vulturis.eu) |
| 15:11.01 | Amarande | Adys: I rarely break keyboards, except on occasion when I've tried to take the keys out to clean them and the space bar won't go back in right |
| 15:11.03 | Adys | well, not insane, but i thought it was shit |
| 15:11.22 | Adys | elemental arrow 10% / 9 discipline / 15 IAS / 105 int / 22 str |
| 15:11.32 | Amarande | D3? |
| 15:11.35 | Adys | thought it was crap because of the stats roll, but it sells for over a fucking million |
| 15:11.35 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:11.51 | Amarande | going to use it or put it up on the RMAH? |
| 15:12.18 | Adys | im half tempted to put it on the rmah but i already have a lot of shit on both and i like keeping a slot or two open just in case |
| 15:13.14 | Adys | a shittier dex roll sells for 4 million |
| 15:13.19 | Adys | how the fuck does this happen |
| 15:13.28 | Amarande | Diablo has always been strange with vendor values |
| 15:13.35 | Adys | im talking AH |
| 15:13.48 | Dagmar | http://www.incgamers.com/2012/06/south-korea-bans-virtual-item-trading-diablo-3-auction-house-dead/ <-- I think I'm moving to South Korea |
| 15:14.03 | Amarande | 4 million gold, or are we talking items literally go for 4 million of your country's dollars? |
| 15:14.29 | Adys | the thing with you is i can never tell if you're serious |
| 15:14.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: That depends on how much of a grip the professional goldsellers can get on the market |
| 15:14.53 | Amarande | Adys: well you were talking about the RMAH, not the GAH |
| 15:15.06 | Adys | i was talking about both |
| 15:15.08 | Dagmar | There's about a million bad-faith market-hostile ways to manipulate markets, none of which are illegal or even so much as frowned upon in video game economies |
| 15:15.09 | Amarande | ah. |
| 15:15.23 | foxlit | Dagmar: you're not thinking enough, clealry. |
| 15:15.48 | Dagmar | foxlit: Mainly the problem is that every time I've tried something it's been successful |
| 15:15.54 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.09 | Dagmar | That's probably a translation issue |
| 15:16.12 | foxlit | You'd like to move to a country that feels the need to legislate what you should and should not be allowed to do with your free time? |
| 15:16.14 | Adys | and for making people spend thousands on items |
| 15:16.31 | Dagmar | foxlit: This is the country that's got a baang problem |
| 15:16.41 | Dagmar | ...or one of them anyway |
| 15:16.55 | Dagmar | They're actually kinda serious about that sort of behavioural issue there, man |
| 15:17.04 | Amarande | Definitely saner than Taiwan, as well. |
| 15:17.23 | Amarande | I remember when ArenaNet had to shut down their Taiwanese GW servers and have the Taiwan players use US servers because of laws relating to RMT. |
| 15:17.49 | Dagmar | Taiwan was having issues with what amounted to white-collar slavery going on |
| 15:17.56 | Amarande | Well, in that case, the problem was the GW TOS specifically forbade real money trading |
| 15:18.05 | Dagmar | Crap literally straight out of a sci fi book |
| 15:18.07 | Amarande | however, Taiwan passed a law making RMT an explicitly protected enterprise |
| 15:18.10 | Dagmar | ...although that was the other way around |
| 15:18.12 | foxlit | again, this approach to legislating things seems fundamentally wrong to me. |
| 15:18.26 | Amarande | as in, it became *illegal* to run a game server in Taiwan and forbid RMT in your terms of service. |
| 15:18.32 | Dagmar | foxlit: Well, they could legislate, or they could let things spiral out of control |
| 15:18.41 | Amarande | the only way out was to take the servers out of the country and move them to the US where they could enforce the TOS legally. |
| 15:18.42 | foxlit | Or they could legislate properly. |
| 15:18.48 | Dagmar | haha |
| 15:18.50 | Dagmar | Yeah right |
| 15:19.06 | Dagmar | Have you looked at CSPAN lately? |
| 15:19.16 | foxlit | I don't particularly care for that line of argument. |
| 15:19.33 | foxlit | Just because some system is incompetent doesn't mean competence cannot exist. |
| 15:19.40 | Dagmar | Mostly we just get to hope they get _close_ to the right solution |
| 15:19.57 | Amarande | Though the thing that I've always found most worrying about RMT is potential taxation and identity issues in the future if it is let to go unchecked in a game. |
| 15:20.30 | Amarande | Because eventually, if gold selling becomes entrenched and the game's operators don't have an explicit and enforced stance against it, doesn't that essentially make that game's gold a real world currency? |
| 15:20.49 | Dagmar | We *could* also expect that people would read the label and put bath salts in the bathtub. |
| 15:21.00 | Adys | i still dont get the rmah's success in d3. in-game payments work when they give you bonuses, sure. but there are only three goals in diablo 3: beating diablo inferno, beating diablo inferno hardcore, getting gear |
| 15:21.06 | Dagmar | ...but then, you know, faces being as tasty as they are... |
| 15:21.12 | Amarande | At which point, then you have to wonder if the legislative approach will be to treat it as a currency. Income tax on all the gold that one gets ingame, at the exchange rate the gold sellers created? |
| 15:21.20 | Amarande | No thanks. Heh. |
| 15:21.38 | Dagmar | Adys: Greed, and the lack of regulatory oversight |
| 15:21.41 | Adys | 1st can be accomplished with 500k gold worth of gear. 2nd doesnt have a rmah. 3rd is... eh |
| 15:21.52 | Adys | why would people pay so that they dont have to bother with a game |
| 15:22.02 | Amarande | Especially given the other prong of that, which would be that such a game could very well then be forced into getting complete identity info up to and including SSN in order to be able to do proper taxation paperwork on people's gold. |
| 15:22.04 | Dagmar | They're paying because drops are kinda crap |
| 15:22.12 | Adys | "aw crap diablo 3 has come out. heres £5000 so that i dont have to play it" |
| 15:22.22 | Amarande | Because, you know, we totally want to have to potentially trust every game operator with our SSN and the like. |
| 15:22.34 | Dagmar | ...and because the RMT people are buying up the best drops with whatever money they can find, and then resell the items |
| 15:22.52 | Dagmar | Same issue as with ticket scalping. They're causing the same scarcity that they're exploiting |
| 15:22.59 | Dagmar | No regulation. |
| 15:23.23 | Amarande | Come to think of it I wonder if a gold seller attempt was the reason why I had total hell with the mithril stage of BS on one of my characters. |
| 15:23.31 | foxlit | Dagmar: eurgh. |
| 15:23.50 | foxlit | Ticket pools are finite; items are not. |
| 15:24.14 | Amarande | I remember it being totally head-shakingly ridiculous. A stack of mithril was going for 150g on the AH. And when I went to try to mine my own it seemed like every mithril bearing zone in Azeroth was empty of it for hours that night. |
| 15:24.20 | Dagmar | foxlit: Items aren't finite, but it doesnt' mean they're dropping from the sky in unlimited amounts |
| 15:24.41 | Amarande | I *have* actually caught farmer bots in action in WoW, too. |
| 15:24.44 | foxlit | point is, you can't hoard ALL items and demand ONE MEEELLION DOLLARS. |
| 15:25.02 | Amarande | Reported a couple of the buggers at one point, and then they disappeared, so I guess I was right on them being bots, too. |
| 15:25.06 | Adys | ok you know what, im tempted |
| 15:25.08 | foxlit | you could do that with tickets, though. |
| 15:25.11 | Dagmar | Foxlit: Nope, but you can leverage your existing capital to price the best items far out of any sane player's reach |
| 15:25.27 | Adys | selling the quiver for 7 euros |
| 15:25.29 | foxlit | Dagmar: sure, but I'm not sure why that's a problem. |
| 15:25.32 | Dagmar | ...putting the entire thing on the level of bots and career farmers who play 12 hours a day |
| 15:25.50 | foxlit | At that point, you're basically making your income source irrelevant to sane people. |
| 15:25.54 | Amarande | As for why I had the chance to observe bots for nearly an hour to confirm their behaviour as being such ... I was in queue for normal HoR, heh |
| 15:26.08 | foxlit | Which is probably okay? |
| 15:26.14 | Amarande | Queue for normal HoR lasted something like 45-90 minutes :P |
| 15:26.56 | Dagmar | If you've like to see how far from okay it is, just propose items that go through the AH in D3 be flagged so that they can't be resold |
| 15:27.13 | Dagmar | Watch how many "people" lose their minds screaming about how "wrong" that is |
| 15:27.17 | Adys | i dont think blizzard really cares |
| 15:27.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: that itself might have deleterious effects on the prices |
| 15:27.29 | Amarande | D3 gear is non-binding like D2, right? |
| 15:27.31 | Adys | btw Dagmar: http://i.imgur.com/BZPPV.png |
| 15:27.33 | Dagmar | ...and they'll specifically cite that thet should be allowed to speculative buy. |
| 15:27.53 | Dagmar | Adys: ROFL |
| 15:28.02 | Adys | Dagmar: sold it for 200k :P |
| 15:28.04 | foxlit | And as someone who doesn't feel like speculative buying, I personally don't care. |
| 15:28.18 | Dagmar | Yeah but the people who do are showing a profit from it |
| 15:28.18 | Amarande | At least, I've never seen the Diablo series have gear that binds, unless D3 changed that (haven't played it myself so I'm not sure) |
| 15:28.29 | foxlit | If anything, their behavior is good for me as a seller of random crap -- they're both pushing up prices and going to be willing to buyout my undercut. |
| 15:28.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:29.14 | Dagmar | foxlit: If you somehow are managing to get enough gear to get through that you have a surplus, sure |
| 15:29.29 | Amarande | anyway, an only sell once policy would make it even harder to find coveted gear on the AH |
| 15:29.36 | Amarande | which would raise prices and only make career farming more attractive |
| 15:29.40 | Dagmar | If you're stuck in the bottom end of that cycle, your options are a) farm like an asian kid or b) RMT |
| 15:29.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: is the game actually hard enough that you need to farm like that? |
| 15:30.17 | Amarande | compared to say, D2, where skill would more than overcome poor gear even on Hell |
| 15:30.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not sure. I'm _squeaking_ through Inferno and haven't managed to get an item for anything less than 100k in a while |
| 15:30.33 | foxlit | I'm not sure what you feel is wrong with a), nor if that's actually the case. |
| 15:30.49 | Dagmar | foxlit: In short, it's not what I signed up for |
| 15:30.54 | Amarande | (Seriously this was true with D2, because I've actually seen an account with screenshots of someone beating Chaos Tristram with only Normal tier gear. On Hardcore, to boot.) |
| 15:30.56 | foxlit | What did you sign up for? |
| 15:31.09 | Dagmar | The AH is mostly useles if you're not grinding for hours |
| 15:31.44 | foxlit | You're playing a game. Hopefully, you're enjoying that gameplay. |
| 15:31.51 | Dagmar | You wind up progress-restricted due to lack of gear |
| 15:31.55 | foxlit | Incidentally, some loot happens to drop. You cannot use like 90% of it. |
| 15:32.05 | Dagmar | More than 90%. |
| 15:32.28 | Dagmar | I haven't _seen_ an upgrade drop in Inferno |
| 15:32.51 | Amarande | Sounds a lot like D2, too |
| 15:32.58 | foxlit | I'm thinking more along the lines of 90% of stuff is actually suitable for different classes, while 10% is what is reasonable for your class, but might not be an upgrade. But anyway, numbers do not matter much. |
| 15:33.07 | Adys | Amarande: bullshit, gear > skill in d2 |
| 15:33.13 | foxlit | You'll end up putting some of that gear up on the AH. If it sells, fine. If it doesn't, whatever. |
| 15:33.15 | Adys | i remember it very well |
| 15:33.20 | Amarande | You don't get upgrades very often on Hell, when you do, they're usually because they are socketed gear that you can Runeword, or the very small number of unique and set items that are still upgrades for your class. |
| 15:33.29 | foxlit | If ever the difficulty progression makes it unfun for you to play the game, you quit. Or you reroll a different class. |
| 15:33.38 | Amarande | Oddly enough in D2 a large percentage of the best uniques for each class tended to actually be Nightmare drops. |
| 15:34.06 | Adys | erm, no? |
| 15:34.08 | foxlit | Fundamentally, there's nothing in the game past "farming" from Inferno onwards. |
| 15:34.17 | cbreak | diablo takes skill? since when? |
| 15:34.30 | Amarande | Adys: except, that people could and did get through Hell on any class with "just what you found" gear. Ironman challenges are actually pretty commonly undertaken, even on Hardcore. |
| 15:34.55 | Adys | irrelevant |
| 15:35.02 | Amarande | Some of these ironman challenges even forbid you to repair, or even to take advantage of a town heal unless you have to talk to the NPC to turn in a quest. |
| 15:35.15 | foxlit | Which brings me to my point: I, personally, would not spend my own money on RMAH. I might spend other people's money after they buy my random shit. |
| 15:35.20 | Adys | im not saying its not possible |
| 15:35.43 | Adys | just saying that gear >>> skill in diablo 2 |
| 15:35.57 | Amarande | Well, basically what I was asking, though, is if you absolutely *need* the gear from loads of farming or from the (RM)AH in order to complete the difficulties in D3, as compared to D2 where anything was possible |
| 15:35.57 | Adys | i am having trouble understanding anyone who doesnt remember that *clearly* well |
| 15:36.08 | foxlit | If someone is artificially driving up prices, I'm actually happier, since that means the value of my random shit in real world currency increases. |
| 15:36.18 | Adys | right now you need the gear from act 2 on in inferno |
| 15:36.24 | Adys | but thats probably going to change next patch |
| 15:36.41 | Dagmar | THe one good thing about this is that it's taking some of the Gaulting off off Google |
| 15:36.44 | Amarande | I.e., if the encounters are designed with a certain level of modern MMOish design, where you simply cannot mathematically defeat the bosses without meeting a high gear standard |
| 15:36.47 | Arrowmaster | i need to figure out why i cant run d3 in wine anymore |
| 15:36.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: stuck at auth? |
| 15:36.56 | cbreak | next patch already happened |
| 15:37.00 | Arrowmaster | no it wont even start |
| 15:37.06 | Adys | huh? what happens? |
| 15:37.19 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: wine seems to have regressed lately, based on my last couple months in Linux before going back to Win7 |
| 15:37.36 | Amarande | e.g., LOTRO used to work in Wine, but with 1.4/1.5 all I ever got from it was the infamous DirectX error |
| 15:38.00 | Amarande | and it didn't matter how many times I tried to reinstall directx into my wineprefix either |
| 15:39.20 | Adys | dont install directx unless absolutely necessary |
| 15:39.23 | Adys | try from a clean prefix |
| 15:40.00 | Amarande | Adys: with directx installed or not, LOTRO had complained about an error with DirectX, which was apparently common with it and Wine at one point. For some reason 1.4 and 1.5.0 have caused it to resurface though apparently. |
| 15:40.45 | Amarande | I left LOTRO for WoW ultimately, anyway, though - they've been dipping far too strongly into the pay to win trough in recent updates and it looks this continues with Rohan |
| 15:41.09 | Adys | don't worry |
| 15:41.12 | Adys | wow will get there |
| 15:41.31 | Adys | right now it's click to win |
| 15:41.39 | Adys | its just a step away from click to pay to win |
| 15:42.44 | Amarande | Adys: we're talking what amounts to selling raid gear on the cash shop at very high prices |
| 15:42.47 | Arrowmaster | Adys: script i use to run diablo3 and output from it http://pastebin.com/7d0D2rHf |
| 15:42.53 | Amarande | Adys: basically it happened like this |
| 15:43.10 | Adys | Amarande: i dont think blizzard would sell gear |
| 15:43.12 | Adys | far from it |
| 15:43.14 | Amarande | First they changed the balance of Second Age and First Age legendary items at level 75. |
| 15:43.15 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 15:43.16 | Adys | they'd just sell valor points. |
| 15:43.37 | foxlit | Adys: just sell gold. |
| 15:43.57 | foxlit | in fact, don't even sell gold. Let people trade gold for cash, taking a commission. |
| 15:44.01 | Adys | yeah, isnt there a lot of raiding gear boe now anyway |
| 15:44.12 | Amarande | At 65, SA's and FA's were close enough in DPS that the main advantage of FA's was the extra legendary legacy points you get on them - if you upgraded your SA fully in DPS and didn't upgrade your FA correspondingly, the SA actually had *more* DPS. |
| 15:44.40 | Amarande | At 75 though they made the FA's far enough ahead of the SA's in DPS that even a fully upgraded SA still has a significant gap from a non-upgraded FA. |
| 15:44.50 | Adys | shit |
| 15:44.59 | Adys | i forgot my upgrade was broken |
| 15:45.02 | foxlit | Adys: black market AH might work for that. |
| 15:45.12 | Amarande | Meanwhile, the only really reliable way to get the mats for level 75 FA's is to do the Tier 2 (= WoW Heroic) Orthanc raid. |
| 15:45.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I just annihilated my computer |
| 15:45.22 | Adys | Arrowmaster: lost all coreutils |
| 15:45.37 | Arrowmaster | dafuk |
| 15:45.39 | Arrowmaster | how did you do that |
| 15:45.44 | Amarande | Which is tuned so that unless you're the likes of Ensidia or Nihilum, pretty much, you need to already *have* that kind of DPS output or near it. |
| 15:46.09 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i had a bunch of symlink hacks from last week and i forgot to remove them before upgrading glibc |
| 15:46.39 | Amarande | Then they came out with Star-lit Crystals to upgrade the DPS on legendary weapons so a fully loaded SA is *almost* as good as a FA. It takes three to fully upgrade a weapon's DPS and they're insanely rare drops (except, again, apparently from T2 Orthanc) and cost five bucks worth of points to buy one from the cash shop. |
| 15:46.45 | Adys | Arrowmaster: actually i think i lost all commands |
| 15:46.51 | Amarande | And yes, Orthanc is largely a DPS race. |
| 15:46.53 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 15:47.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: zsh: command not found: zsh |
| 15:47.06 | Adys | oh yes. |
| 15:47.32 | Adys | think theres a way to recover without booting into my usb save? |
| 15:47.33 | Amarande | Basically, it's entirely too clear that they expect people who reach the level cap to spend 30 bucks on starlits (every 50+ character uses two LIs) |
| 15:47.40 | Arrowmaster | no idea |
| 15:47.50 | Amarande | Adys: boot a knoppix liveDVD? |
| 15:47.51 | Arrowmaster | can you force a reinstall of everything |
| 15:48.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yeah i have a grml usb, but I'm trying to think if theres any way to recover without rebooting while its still alive |
| 15:48.29 | Adys | Amarande: * |
| 15:48.37 | Amarande | I remember using Knoppix to migrate my Debian install when I had to rebuild my entire computer including new motherboard and HD (the old HD did still work but was on its last legs so it had to be migrated to the new one) |
| 15:49.10 | Arrowmaster | one time when i accidently uninstalled libc i downloaded it and copied it into /usr/local so i could run aptitude to reinstall it |
| 15:49.15 | Amarande | so, it's one of the most powerful recovery tools there is |
| 15:49.35 | Adys | Arrowmaster: basically i cannoy execute any binary |
| 15:49.46 | Arrowmaster | because they dont exist? |
| 15:49.50 | Adys | they do |
| 15:49.52 | Gnarfoz | and to think I had hoped this guy was gone forever |
| 15:50.01 | Arrowmaster | Adys: sounds like you did the same i did |
| 15:50.20 | Adys | call to execv failed (Too many levels of symbolic links) |
| 15:50.24 | Adys | this was during upgrade |
| 15:50.28 | Arrowmaster | Adys: try to manually download and extract your glibc package |
| 15:50.35 | Adys | how? |
| 15:50.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Ketho (~ngsc@ip565063bd.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 15:50.40 | Adys | i cannot run anything |
| 15:50.47 | Arrowmaster | can you run mv? |
| 15:50.49 | Arrowmaster | wget? |
| 15:50.53 | Adys | nope |
| 15:50.56 | Arrowmaster | oh shit |
| 15:51.00 | Arrowmaster | your fucked |
| 15:51.01 | Adys | :P |
| 15:52.10 | Adys | zsh: ./pw: bad interpreter: /usr/bin/env: no such file or directory |
| 15:52.11 | Adys | hah |
| 15:52.49 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.51 | Industrial | oh shi- |
| 15:53.11 | Industrial | in other news, hi. |
| 15:53.24 | Adys | thats not how you log in |
| 15:53.42 | Industrial | no but i wanted nickserv to know about fisker |
| 15:54.10 | Adys | Arrowmaster: alright, i have quassel, diablo 3 under wine, a text editor and multiple qterminal tabs open as well as chrome (but chrome is hopeless, new tabs crash) |
| 15:54.49 | Arrowmaster | i think youll have to use grml |
| 15:54.56 | Adys | mmh |
| 15:55.06 | Adys | what would I even do there |
| 15:55.19 | Adys | would a chroot even work? |
| 15:55.50 | Arrowmaster | do you have a way to chat after you reboot |
| 15:56.07 | Adys | i can fire up my laptop |
| 15:57.23 | Amarande | Adys: essentially, what you'll probably want to do is boot knoppix and mount your Linux drives so you can get the package downloaded and extracted |
| 15:57.43 | Amarande | then, once you can get things to execute again on the Linux drive you can reboot to it and finish fixing |
| 15:58.27 | Arrowmaster | specifically what i did when i accidently nuked libc was to download the libc package, extract it, place it correctly into /usr/local, fire up aptitude and issue a reinstall on the libc package so it reinstalled it into the correct place |
| 15:58.42 | Arrowmaster | i had to put it in /usr/local to get aptitude/apt/dpkg to even run |
| 15:58.46 | Amarande | let me guess ... |
| 15:58.53 | Amarande | You moved ld-linux.so.2, didn't you |
| 15:59.03 | Arrowmaster | no i tried to issue a downgrade of libc |
| 15:59.19 | Amarande | I remember when I had a libc5 based machine many many years ago and libc6 was new |
| 15:59.25 | Arrowmaster | downgrading in debian uninstalls the current package and then installs the older one |
| 15:59.32 | Amarande | I tried compiling and installing glibc, and realised that I'd forgotten to have it go to /usr instead of /usr/local |
| 15:59.49 | Amarande | So I tried to move it to its proper home, and eventually hosed things because I tried to move the ld.so |
| 15:59.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: im trying to think of a way i could even prevent a situation like that |
| 16:00.01 | Adys | eg recover without having to reboot |
| 16:00.11 | Adys | but anything i can think of requires running a new process |
| 16:00.19 | Arrowmaster | if you cant use chrome, cant move files, etc you are rather fucked |
| 16:00.21 | cbreak | what does it mean if a mob in Diablo 3 has a skull icon on its health bar? |
| 16:00.27 | Amarande | With the result that nothing would run because executables expect a fixed location for ld-linux.so.2 and don't look through the shared library paths for it like they do for other libs |
| 16:00.31 | Adys | cbreak: screenshot? |
| 16:00.44 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: enraged, you fought it too long |
| 16:00.45 | Adys | im an idiot, i cant open links |
| 16:00.54 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 16:01.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i cant open new chrome tabs because they're new processes |
| 16:01.23 | Adys | and i cant move files because /bin/mv |
| 16:01.28 | cbreak | if you want to recover linux, you can just boot from a different linux and do it from there |
| 16:01.45 | Adys | cbreak: yeah, specifically im trying to think of a way this could be prevented without rebooting |
| 16:02.12 | cbreak | it is possible to kill a linux installation so that you can not recover from itself |
| 16:02.23 | nevcairiel | since every command on linux is a new binary, i doubt you can do much if nothing starts |
| 16:02.23 | Adys | but essentially, you'd have to have at least the equivalent of mv running at the time of death |
| 16:02.24 | Adys | yeah |
| 16:02.35 | Arrowmaster | Adys: have busybox installed |
| 16:02.46 | Adys | but thats a new process too |
| 16:03.24 | Fisker | it's getting hot in here |
| 16:03.25 | cbreak | you can't start a new process? |
| 16:03.28 | Adys | aye |
| 16:03.33 | cbreak | what happens if you try? |
| 16:03.35 | Fisker | why can't i buy a trillion gold on the AH yet? |
| 16:03.37 | Arrowmaster | you fucked something up good then, when i did it i could still run staticly linked stuff |
| 16:03.38 | cbreak | (-> fork syscall) |
| 16:03.49 | Adys | cbreak: says the file doesnt exist (even if it does) |
| 16:06.06 | cbreak | gah, diablo 3 is impossible to beat |
| 16:06.19 | cbreak | group of 5 mobs oneshot me all the time :( |
| 16:06.24 | cbreak | Adys: weird. |
| 16:06.35 | cbreak | how do you try to start applications? |
| 16:06.43 | cbreak | fork should not need any files |
| 16:06.46 | Adys | ./app /usr/bin/app whatever |
| 16:06.57 | Adys | what do you suggest? |
| 16:08.06 | cbreak | fork&exec |
| 16:08.21 | cbreak | from a running program |
| 16:08.46 | cbreak | exec needs to read files, fork would not |
| 16:09.32 | Adys | cbreak: yeah as i pasted earlier: call to execv failed (Too many levels of symbolic links) |
| 16:10.00 | Adys | i dont really know what you're suggesting to go around it though |
| 16:10.08 | cbreak | that's not good. What did you do? |
| 16:10.22 | cbreak | to screw the stuff up? |
| 16:10.32 | cbreak | recursive symlinks to some library? |
| 16:10.41 | Adys | i have a broken symlink setup that i forgot to change before upgrading |
| 16:10.51 | Adys | possibly, im not sure at this point what breaks exactly |
| 16:10.57 | Adys | but its right after glibc upgrade |
| 16:11.03 | cbreak | god damnit: I come close to enemies and die |
| 16:11.06 | cbreak | before they even attack me |
| 16:11.13 | cbreak | damn incompetent blizzard morons |
| 16:11.28 | cbreak | Adys: well, I'd fix it offline |
| 16:11.34 | cbreak | from a different system |
| 16:12.07 | Adys | cbreak: im planning to boot from grml and fix it with a chroot but i have my doubts even that would work |
| 16:12.33 | Amarande | cbreak: what difficulty level are you on? |
| 16:12.38 | cbreak | the fourth |
| 16:12.42 | cbreak | is it inferno? |
| 16:12.48 | cbreak | the one after hell |
| 16:12.49 | Amarande | foxlit: btw, with regards to "just sell gold" |
| 16:12.59 | Amarande | actually, you can kinda sorta buy gold in WoW legally nowadays |
| 16:13.27 | Amarande | you can't buy it directly, but Loot Card items were made BoE a while back, so you could buy the loot card and then sell the rare item for hundreds of thousands of gold |
| 16:14.22 | Mr_Rabies | also the guardian cub |
| 16:14.23 | Amarande | which ... really isn't something that can be squished unless they were to go back to BoP loot card items (which they were originally, so they consciously chose to make them BoE ...), or if they restricted people from selling loot cards for cash (which kinda defeats a large part of the point of a CCG) |
| 16:15.11 | Mr_Rabies | thing is, all of this hinges on the fact that you can actually sell the item on the auction house |
| 16:15.26 | Mr_Rabies | you're not directly buying gold and ther'es no exact exchange rate |
| 16:15.45 | Amarande | yeah, and there's the gold cap |
| 16:15.59 | Amarande | I don't think even 999999g would be sufficient compensation for say an X-51 Nether Rocket |
| 16:16.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what is this shit, tethering isnt working on my phone anymore |
| 16:16.30 | Amarande | (as I remember the rocket mount goes for something like 700+ USD, probably more now |
| 16:16.58 | Amarande | I remember researching it on ebay aeons ago in BC thinking "if it's just a few bucks I might consider it" but no, I'm sane, I'm not spending 700+ USD on a mount :P |
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| 16:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | i've made some money on the d3 auction house :F |
| 16:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | 21 whole cents! :D |
| 16:18.57 | Mr_Rabies | which is 21 more cents than i paid for d3, so i'm good |
| 16:31.03 | Amarande | ah, FuBar was the bar that I remember |
| 16:31.04 | Adys | could anyone google something for me? |
| 16:31.09 | Amarande | did they ever update that or is that dead? |
| 16:31.24 | Arrowmaster | no i killed it |
| 16:32.22 | Amarande | ah, there's bazooka, which I remember was the "son of FuBar" basically. |
| 16:32.50 | Stanzilla | Adys: sup |
| 16:35.02 | Adys | Stanzilla: ? |
| 16:35.03 | Amarande | blah. |
| 16:35.12 | Amarande | forgotten which data broker things arkinventory provides nowadays |
| 16:35.33 | Stanzilla | Adys: you wanted something googled |
| 16:35.51 | Adys | Stanzilla: i got it thanks |
| 16:35.55 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 16:36.12 | Amarande | every time I set my UI up anew I end up downloading something I don't need because arkinventory had it |
| 16:40.12 | Amarande | ugh, is curse client supposed to make the system run like sludge while it's running? |
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| 16:43.13 | Adys_ | ok, at least i got my laptop's connection working |
| 16:43.25 | Adys_ | now to find the grml usb drive |
| 16:48.12 | Amarande | ohhhhh yay. firefox is apparently leaking memory like a sieve |
| 16:48.18 | Amarande | I closed tabs and its memory usage is *increasing* |
| 16:48.58 | cbreak | why do you think that that's leaked memory? |
| 16:49.03 | cbreak | as opposed to just used memory? |
| 16:50.22 | Amarande | cbreak: logically if you're closing tabs, memory usage should drop, not continue to rise |
| 16:51.16 | Adys_ | doesnt mean its leaked memory |
| 16:51.35 | Adys_ | it's just memory not being freed at that time |
| 16:51.55 | Adys_ | its possible ff keeps the most recent tab(s) in memory for quick re-open idk |
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| 16:54.52 | Adys__ | but in any case what did you expect. you're using firefox, the worst memory-hungry browser there is |
| 16:55.50 | cbreak | in my experience, Chrome is much worse |
| 16:56.08 | cbreak | it actually starts new processes all the time, which use a ton of memory each |
| 16:57.26 | Amarande | wow, monkeyquest only fixed that cruel FPS issue a couple months ago. I wonder what it was that caused that bug to happen. |
| 16:58.01 | Amarande | I remember getting that glitch and knowing it was MQ at fault and knowing also what triggered it, but did not know enough about Lua to be able to tell exactly why |
| 16:58.14 | Amarande | (IIRC, it had to do with quests that put a quest item button in your tracker) |
| 16:58.53 | cbreak | probably something stupid in OnUpdate or an other frequently called event handler |
| 17:00.44 | Amarande | I remember actually having to use a binary partition search in order to trace it to MQ, too, because it didn't occur to me at all that something like that would have such a profound effect |
| 17:00.50 | Amarande | trying to remember which quest addon I used last, now |
| 17:00.56 | Amarande | ah, right. I switched to QuestGuru |
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| 17:03.35 | Amarande | now trying to remember which addons I had that actually did certain inventory functions |
| 17:03.48 | Amarande | since a lot of it turned out to be redundant because I had ArkInventory, but I've forgotten just *which* things AI included |
| 17:05.42 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 17:06.01 | Amarande | also, was there ever a more recent addon that took over the functions of EBB? EBB is currently still the pre-cata version with no in-combat cancel support |
| 17:06.26 | Ackis | Elkano: ^ |
| 17:07.36 | Amarande | well, I see Elkano's comment in the description as to why that version of EBB has no in-combat cancel support |
| 17:07.50 | Ackis | he should fix it :D |
| 17:07.57 | Ackis | (I haven't read the comment) |
| 17:08.01 | Amarande | however, as that version is still the most recent on curse client, I'm wondering if there's been another addon out since that has taken over the role of a bar based buff display |
| 17:08.14 | Amarande | "Due to changes Blizzard made with WoW 4.x it's no longer possible to cancel buffs without the use of secure frames. Currently EBB limits canceling of buffs to out-of-fight since using SecureAuraHeader would have required a major code restructuring. This will be coming in a later version" |
| 17:09.00 | Amarande | (I still remember the panic that caused when 4.x came out ... mostly because it came out almost simultaneously with Hallow's End and people with lots of addons couldn't figure out how to get rid of Hallowed Wand forms that resulted in a partial or complete loss of ability use on their character without waiting out the hour ...) |
| 17:09.01 | Stanzilla | Elkano is a slacker though |
| 17:09.06 | Ackis | ah so he's got a case of the Ackis' (i.e. he's a lazy bastard) |
| 17:09.25 | Amarande | Ackis: well, you're forgiven as long as ARL continues to accurately tell me which recipes I'm missing :) |
| 17:09.58 | Ackis | Amarande: you have torhal and pompy to thank for that, also torhal to blame for that :D |
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| 17:10.44 | Amarande | for which, ARL's accuracy or clickoffs becoming a secure function? |
| 17:10.59 | Amarande | which latter to this day I've always been a little foggy on the reason for |
| 17:11.04 | Ackis | ARL being updated in general |
| 17:11.14 | Ackis | they made them a secure function because mods would auto-cancel stuff |
| 17:11.28 | Amarande | yeah, but usually they don't pull stuff under the protected function wing unless mods auto doing something actually imbalances things somehow |
| 17:11.35 | Amarande | e.g. decursive |
| 17:12.04 | Amarande | I'm guessing that there's some sort of unbalancing exploit that auto cancelling allowed for on a class I don't play or haven't played in forever |
| 17:12.08 | Elkano | yeah, I'm a lazy bastard :( |
| 17:12.24 | AcidWeb | I remember old "good" times when you just placed something heavy on one button and entire party was healed by addon ;p |
| 17:12.25 | Ackis | we still love you Elkano |
| 17:12.27 | Amarande | Elkano: are there any known EBB substitutes, or is it time to look for a different UI style for that purpose? |
| 17:12.28 | Ackis | now rewrite EBB |
| 17:12.30 | Elkano | also (still) working on my thsis |
| 17:12.39 | Ackis | to hell with your thesis! EBB > thesis |
| 17:12.43 | Elkano | pff |
| 17:12.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: man I dont know how im going to get out of this one |
| 17:13.08 | Adys | ill be impressed if i manage to fix it in a chroot |
| 17:13.13 | Amarande | I mean, it doesn't have to be EBB. It can be a buff bars addon from another source that's been made since cata |
| 17:13.18 | Arrowmaster | reinstall and stop fucking with shit? |
| 17:13.36 | Adys | thats the logical option dear |
| 17:13.56 | Elkano | the sad thing is that most of EBB3's planing is done in my head, just hardly any code written |
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| 17:15.13 | Amarande | hm. |
| 17:15.20 | Amarande | quartz doesn't have a buff-bars component yet does it? |
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| 17:21.08 | Amarande | huh. is there a patch this week? |
| 17:21.26 | Amarande | I just went to log back on after installing my addons and noticed that a whopping 6 gig update is being downloaded |
| 17:23.08 | Stanzilla | Elkano: nice 3 year thesis :D |
| 17:24.25 | Elkano | make that two ;/ |
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| 17:40.50 | Arrowmaster | well thats creepy, i just got a 'weve missed you' |
| 17:41.00 | Arrowmaster | email from twitter for an account ive never used |
| 17:41.29 | Arrowmaster | and one of the suggested people to follow is somebody i went to school with |
| 17:42.14 | Elkano | well, at least your mail adress was attached to it, wasn't it? |
| 17:42.27 | Elkano | also, what crap did it tweet about? |
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| 18:01.59 | karl_w_w | fuck you sim |
| 18:02.30 | karl_w_w | going for a 6 hour workout achievement and he quits at 5.96 hours |
| 18:10.27 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: as in the sims? |
| 18:12.51 | Amarande | karl: you mean you expected an Electronic Arts game to not torture you in some or other way? |
| 18:13.30 | Amarande | EA has tortured gamers ever since the mid 90s when Ultima VIII came out, heh |
| 18:14.18 | Amarande | (And technically a lot of content was gutted from VII Part 2, too, but done well enough and what did get in was good enough for that one to still be one of the best RPGs ever made ... although, if it had had all the originally planned content it might have been *the* best RPG ever made) |
| 18:15.23 | Amarande | Let's see ... Ultima 8, turning from RPG focus to "Super Avatar Bros" as Ultima fans often called it and the expansion was announced and then canned almost on the verge of release (literally they had already designed and created the retail box, of which at least one prototype was made and is today one of gaming's most valuable collector's items of all time) |
| 18:16.22 | Amarande | Ultima 9, made Origin release an unfinished game and ruined the series for good ... Dragon Age, well, DA:O is great, but the DLC verification system has had chronic issues (I counted myself lucky to not have problems with DLC authorisation this install ...). And Sims apparently torture you by quitting just before achievement time. :) |
| 18:20.37 | Amarande | karl: basically, if you play an EA game, you should not be surprised for the game to do something irritating to you in some way, shape or form at some point :) |
| 18:21.10 | Arrowmaster | why is everybody taking Linus's "Fuck you Nvidia" to be directed at the video card drivers? I think its rather obvious hes referring to stuff like trying to compile a kernel for Tegra systems |
| 18:22.24 | Amarande | wow, you'd think Linus would not have to worry about that at all even |
| 18:22.47 | Amarande | Tegra is apparently a processor for mobile devices, which means that the Linux support legwork for it is likely to significantly fall on the shoulders of Google |
| 18:23.00 | Amarande | since they'll surely want to make sure Tegra devices can use Android, and Android is Linux based |
| 18:23.34 | Arrowmaster | previously google has had nothing at all to do with tegra devices |
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| 18:23.59 | Amarande | as for the video card drivers, nvidia has been decidedly unhelpful towards Linux in certain ways |
| 18:24.11 | Arrowmaster | but the new Asus Nexus 7 tablet is going to have a Tegra processor so hopefully google forces nvidia to play nice |
| 18:24.12 | Amarande | the AMD/ATI drivers have become a lot more robust on the open source side lately IIRC |
| 18:24.52 | Amarande | whereas Nouveau is looking like it's more and more likely to just degenerate into a non-starter in terms of user share, at least outside of those people who solely need 2D graphics |
| 18:25.11 | Amarande | and nVidia is, if anything, making things increasingly difficult on Nouveau's devs |
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| 18:25.29 | Amarande | particularly with the jump from NV9x to NVC0 and later card support being an especially difficult hurdle |
| 18:25.44 | Amarande | and even on NV9x the 3D direct rendering support is still quite anemic |
| 18:26.07 | karl_w_w | yes Thunder_Child |
| 18:26.08 | Amarande | and NV9x is what ... four to six generations old now (I think that was first used in the 8800, and continued to the 250 GTS) |
| 18:27.04 | Amarande | so AMD/ATI seems to be at least having some interest in aiding Linux support, whereas nVidia has been becoming increasingly difficult to support open source 3D in |
| 18:27.31 | Amarande | at the rate of video card generations lately, Nouveau and Gallium3D will just keep falling further and further behind until nVidia is just useless outside of Windows |
| 18:28.02 | Amarande | and who's to know how much longer the proprietary Linux driver will be supported for, that's part of the trouble with proprietary drivers |
| 18:29.26 | Industrial | Anyone play Diablo 3? Add me; tom.wieland@gmail.com |
| 18:29.30 | Amarande | It really doesn't help that I expect Linux to actually lose a lot of its desktop user share very soon, either, for reasons similar to why I quit Linux |
| 18:29.35 | Industrial | I'm playing on US realms for once |
| 18:29.37 | Industrial | so |
| 18:29.44 | Thunder_Child | Industrial: we have a battletag page |
| 18:29.48 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: there is a battletag list in the topic |
| 18:29.48 | Industrial | ooo |
| 18:30.16 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Industrial |
| 18:30.16 | purl | Industrial, you Fail! |
| 18:30.23 | Amarande | specifically, the fact that Adobe and Mozilla have both pretty much betrayed the Linux user base, at least as far as countries that honour software patents are concerned |
| 18:30.26 | Arrowmaster | if you add me i wont be able to accept it for a while, my game keeps crashing |
| 18:31.15 | Arrowmaster | http://pastebin.com/7d0D2rHf if you have any input on the cause |
| 18:33.20 | Thunder_Child | looks like audio issues to me |
| 18:33.38 | Stanzilla | it says |
| 18:33.43 | Stanzilla | diablo3 sucks, please play something else |
| 18:34.06 | Thunder_Child | bitter much Stanzilla? |
| 18:34.22 | Amarande | Basically, Mozilla has decided to accept Apple as victorious in the video format wars with their pushing of the heavily encumbered H.264 codec |
| 18:34.48 | Amarande | apparently, in order to be able to be viable in the mobile market, since if they do not manage to break into the iPad market their market share future is severely corroded |
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| 18:35.23 | Amarande | Meanwhile, the only way Linux machines legally supported H.264 in the USA (and the other countries that allow software patents, which I think is Germany and Japan in particular) was via the Adobe Flash plugin. |
| 18:35.24 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: so expect an invitation to my party |
| 18:35.44 | Stanzilla | Thunder_Child: yes :( |
| 18:35.49 | Thunder_Child | Industrial: but i'm not playing at the moment |
| 18:35.50 | Industrial | (pimp-indus-gear-and-lvl) |
| 18:35.53 | Industrial | baw |
| 18:35.56 | Amarande | Adobe is pulling the plug on Flash plugin support in Linux. Which means it won't be too long before patent-legal Linux machines have a desktop Web experience that consists of seeing a lot of empty black boxes on a lot of sites. |
| 18:36.30 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Stanzilla |
| 18:36.30 | purl | There, there, Stanzilla. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:36.38 | Stanzilla | thank you :3 |
| 18:37.24 | Amarande | (It also means that had I remained with Linux, since I use Gallery3 for managing pictures on my web site, eventually I would be forced to use the pitiful HTML based image uploader which only allows uploading 3 images at a time - whereas I tend to take from 50-300 pictures when I go to an event - since the standard gallery uploader requires Flash) |
| 18:37.26 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 18:37.34 | Fisker | take the shot |
| 18:37.50 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: adobe is only pulling the plug on the netscape api plugin, they are still going to develop the pepper api one for chrome |
| 18:37.51 | Stanzilla | nopwe |
| 18:37.53 | cbreak | Amarande: and are a few times more secure :) |
| 18:38.04 | Stanzilla | I don't do the linux bashing anymore |
| 18:38.46 | cbreak | Amarande: but honestly, the loss of flash is rather insignificant |
| 18:39.08 | Fisker | i agree with arrowmaster |
| 18:39.09 | cbreak | adobe has declared it dead on mobile thingies some time ago |
| 18:39.26 | Amarande | Basically, the core technologies around Linux remain sound, the problem is in today's world of patent-heavy media formats and the need to embrace the mobile market (Mozilla's very words were "Mobile matters most", so it wasn't a matter of actively wanting to betray Linux), Linux's ability to partake of Internet media is to steadily wane, except in countries without software patents. |
| 18:39.59 | Amarande | (And the Obama administration seems to be doing their best to try to get other countries to agree in treaty to US-style IPR systems, so that number of countries is likely to drop in the future as well :|) |
| 18:40.05 | Fisker | well grab a gun and start shooting |
| 18:41.55 | Amarande | Unfortunately, one sometimes does have to wonder if a unified and powerful IPR system might be needed for the global economy. Not saying I *like* such a system, but I also at the same time wonder if we can really do without it. :| |
| 18:42.10 | Amarande | (And, of course, what the megacorps are asking for is far too Draconian.) |
| 18:42.57 | Amarande | The chief trouble being, economies used to be based pretty heavily around rival goods. There was built-in scarcity, because there were only so many frobnitzes and so natural systems of supply and demand held. |
| 18:43.26 | Amarande | But digital goods are non-rival goods, and one has to wonder if they can maintain any value at all post release as salable goods without heavy regulation and rights. :| |
| 18:44.27 | Fisker | Hey Stanzilla |
| 18:44.28 | Amarande | And, indeed, if those regulations either have to be global or countries depending on such goods must be increasingly xenophobic? |
| 18:44.35 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 18:44.49 | Fisker | .pls draw or let us win |
| 18:46.22 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 18:47.15 | Fisker | oh god |
| 18:47.28 | Fisker | you're killing us |
| 18:50.34 | Fisker | oh god |
| 18:57.29 | Fisker | stop it Stanzilla :( |
| 18:58.02 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 18:58.03 | Fisker | netherlands is finally fucking up portugal |
| 18:58.09 | Stanzilla | this is football warfare |
| 18:58.14 | Kraps | yo Industrial |
| 18:58.40 | Kraps | the guy says hed rather not have a level 31 in the group |
| 18:58.41 | Fisker | you can't lose now :( |
| 19:00.32 | Fisker | phew |
| 19:03.52 | Fisker | dicks |
| 19:04.03 | Stanzilla | there Fisker |
| 19:06.12 | Fisker | hope you get 40 red cards |
| 19:08.39 | Fisker | ï |
| 19:08.51 | Fisker | owned |
| 19:09.17 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 19:09.24 | Fisker | want draw now or should we just whoop you? |
| 19:09.37 | Stanzilla | I don't even care :D |
| 19:12.56 | Fisker | an |
| 19:13.00 | Fisker | man |
| 19:13.30 | Fisker | without agger it wouldve been 5-1 now |
| 19:16.27 | Fisker | pls no |
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| 19:19.15 | Fisker | i hope your players die :( |
| 19:20.55 | Fisker | oh god pls no |
| 19:21.43 | Fisker | preemptive dicks |
| 19:21.55 | Fisker | phew |
| 19:25.39 | Amarande | GAH |
| 19:25.58 | Amarande | Does Fonter just not have the capability to work with unit frame fonts, or is something else overriding it? |
| 19:26.08 | Amarande | And I'm not seeing a font choice box anywhere in XPerl. |
| 19:27.07 | Fisker | did you try turning it on and off again? |
| 19:28.10 | Amarande | I've tried logging off and back in after changing the font settings, but still XPerl is in Fail Quadrata |
| 19:28.16 | Fisker | Is your ethernet cable plugged in? |
| 19:29.51 | Fisker | you guys should watch out Stanzilla |
| 19:30.03 | Stanzilla | nope# |
| 19:31.26 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:31.47 | Fisker | classy goalie there |
| 19:34.46 | foxlit | teehee, fast jailer vortex |
| 19:35.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.37 | Fisker | prepare to be owned stanzilla |
| 19:44.38 | Arrowmaster | ok the nvidia 295.x drivers for linux just suck, was on 295.59 with shit performance and upgraded to experimental 302.11 and it works great now |
| 19:45.15 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: 302.17 is current :o |
| 19:45.35 | Arrowmaster | 302.11 is the latest available in debian repos |
| 19:45.42 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 19:47.13 | Arrowmaster | somebody helped me get diablo3 running again, seems i needed to install the 32bit version of libxi6 because the one in ia32-libs is busted |
| 19:47.33 | Arrowmaster | so now i can sit and cry that my gear sucks and i cant kill hell diablo |
| 19:48.11 | Stanzilla | you don't need gear for hell :< |
| 19:49.34 | nevcairiel | just buy a weapon on the AH and the game is suddenly much easier :p |
| 19:50.58 | Arrowmaster | i have a 600dps one hand |
| 19:52.22 | Fisker | scared Stanzilla? |
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| 19:53.11 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 19:53.30 | Fisker | You should be |
| 19:54.21 | Fisker | agger is vip |
| 19:54.31 | Amarande | Heh, sounds like they got the difficulty progression going right this time, then |
| 19:54.54 | Amarande | In D2, Normal Diablo was always harder than Nightmare Diablo, and usually Hell Diablo too |
| 19:58.56 | Amarande | wow, it sounds like X-Perl may be on its way out ... maybe I should switch |
| 19:59.24 | Fisker | shouldve switched 6 years ago |
| 20:01.26 | Amarande | also, did something happen to auto-abandon all quests characters had at one particular patch between 2011 and now, or did I just not have any? :S |
| 20:02.12 | haste | does the cataclysm release count? |
| 20:02.33 | Arrowmaster | that didnt |
| 20:02.42 | haste | some quests were removed |
| 20:03.04 | Arrowmaster | i still had a kill kormak quest which was removed a very fucking long time ago when i got SoR'd |
| 20:03.26 | Arrowmaster | sadly its the 2nd in the chain so i cant share it with people |
| 20:03.33 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 20:03.37 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 20:03.41 | Arrowmaster | i used to share one of the special event quests with raid to fuck with them |
| 20:05.39 | Fisker | i hope germany dies haste |
| 20:06.38 | haste | and why's that Fisker? |
| 20:06.55 | Fisker | then we win |
| 20:08.50 | Industrial | Anyone on D3 US wanna play? Industrial#2426 |
| 20:08.56 | Industrial | L31 monk |
| 20:09.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont have anything in your level range |
| 20:10.05 | Torhal | Industrial: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkFr0rGkE6CJdG5vQWVpd0Y5M0JMMGhBVENoNlR2Mnc#gid=0 |
| 20:10.17 | Fisker | not even a poop? |
| 20:10.23 | Industrial | I'm on it |
| 20:10.26 | Torhal | steps on Fisker. |
| 20:10.36 | haste | y u play on us Industrial ?! |
| 20:10.45 | Industrial | yes |
| 20:10.46 | Torhal | y u haet spell? |
| 20:10.49 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:10.52 | haste | :D |
| 20:10.53 | Amarande | I haven't played this character since either 4.0.3 or 4.0.6 |
| 20:10.59 | haste | you miss-typed spell Torhal ! |
| 20:11.08 | Industrial | haste: cause then I can play with different people i usually cant play with |
| 20:11.09 | Torhal | o.O |
| 20:11.11 | Torhal | O.o |
| 20:11.11 | Amarande | and I can't remember if I actually had any quests, but then I went to config QuestGuru and found I have no quests to work with the tracker via |
| 20:11.12 | Torhal | o.o |
| 20:11.22 | Industrial | haste: I can roll a character on EU, a different class then monk! :) |
| 20:12.33 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 20:13.36 | Stanzilla | Fisker: you're out with a draw, yes? |
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| 20:17.08 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:17.22 | Fisker | which is why we're winning |
| 20:17.54 | Stanzilla | didn't know that you care about football at all D |
| 20:17.56 | Stanzilla | *: |
| 20:19.33 | Fisker | would've been 2-1 if it wasn't for ref |
| 20:21.11 | Amarande | :o |
| 20:21.15 | Amarande | "There are too many errors in your UI." |
| 20:21.30 | Stanzilla | so what Fisker |
| 20:21.34 | Stanzilla | you're f'd now :( |
| 20:21.48 | Fisker | nope |
| 20:22.00 | Fisker | winning 3-2 |
| 20:22.08 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 20:22.43 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 20:22.54 | Amarande | I change the font in TipTac but it still gives Friz Quadrata after doing so. Reason? |
| 20:23.30 | Stanzilla | there's an option you need to turn on |
| 20:23.35 | Stanzilla | to overwrite some fonts |
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| 20:23.52 | Stanzilla | "modify the game tooltip templates" under "font" |
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| 20:27.54 | Amarande | yup, that worked |
| 20:28.01 | Amarande | now there's just a few pieces of fail quadrata left |
| 20:28.09 | Amarande | ... and I forgot to get a coordinate/location addon. must fix. |
| 20:29.16 | Amarande | anyway regarding x-perl's future I saw this little comment in the description: "If Zeksie won't fixed his Real-Life(TM) problems or just give up WoW and his addons totally(thanks Blizzard UI/API Team). I guess we may see the end of day about X-Perl." |
| 20:29.50 | Amarande | and Pitbull looks like it has not been updated since 4.0.1 (judging by that bit in the config stuff about how something is waiting for 4.0.3), although it appears to still be functional |
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| 20:30.02 | Amarande | are unit frame addons just passe now? :| |
| 20:30.15 | Fisker | your goalie is mad |
| 20:30.33 | mckenziemc | kicks Fisker. |
| 20:30.39 | Fisker | maybe he should stay in his box |
| 20:34.47 | Fisker | i hate you for free Stanzilla :( |
| 20:35.01 | Stanzilla | gg Fisker |
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| 20:35.48 | Stanzilla | Ama|work: try ShadowedUF but Shadowed is a dick, too :( |
| 20:36.22 | Shadowed | SUf hasn't been updated since 4.0 either |
| 20:36.31 | Shadowed | but that's because it doesn't actually need to be |
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| 20:43.41 | Stanzilla | and you're ignoring my feature requests :< |
| 20:44.36 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Nobgul] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.53 | mckenziemc | perhaps he should request your ability to add feature requests be removed |
| 20:45.58 | Nobgul | lol |
| 20:47.11 | Shadowed | That's because your feature request is probably dumb |
| 20:47.25 | Shadowed | and I'm fine with where SUF is feature wise |
| 20:56.01 | Stanzilla | nope! |
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| 21:00.19 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 21:03.14 | Stanzilla | hi |
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| 21:05.44 | karl_w_w | i killed my sim :( |
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| 21:16.32 | Fisker | i'm the winner once more Stanzilla |
| 21:16.33 | Fisker | mad? |
| 21:18.48 | mikma | Cairenn: http://youtu.be/DHFzB9aEIok?hd=1 |
| 21:20.44 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 21:24.00 | karl_w_w | so the grim reaper turned on my stereo and is going for a swim in my pool... |
| 21:24.16 | karl_w_w | oh he scrubbed the kitchen counter first |
| 21:27.46 | Cairenn | mikma: oooookay then .... |
| 21:29.23 | mikma | Cairenn: the perfect blowjob |
| 21:29.29 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 21:33.03 | Dagmar | Man, that's when it's time to suck it up and hire a maid. |
| 21:33.23 | Dagmar | You are officiallu a savage when The Grim Reaper has to clean up because you're going to embarass the coroner. |
| 21:39.09 | karl_w_w | it was clean already though :( |
| 21:39.30 | karl_w_w | im currently editing the save file to see if i can undead him :P |
| 21:39.30 | Dagmar | By whose standards? |
| 21:39.37 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:40.01 | karl_w_w | all standards, u can tell when a surface is dirty by looking :P |
| 21:40.11 | karl_w_w | and that surface isnt used so it cant get dirty |
| 21:40.14 | Dagmar | Isn't there some fruit punch he can drink? |
| 21:40.45 | mckenziemc | every surface in a normal home is dirty, karl_w_w |
| 21:41.30 | Dagmar | I thought you could do something with ambrosia fruit to res, but I might be mistaken |
| 21:41.57 | karl_w_w | yeah u can |
| 21:42.08 | karl_w_w | if they have a living person u can do it on |
| 21:42.15 | karl_w_w | he was my only sim in this save |
| 21:42.25 | karl_w_w | i have a pre-death save but its pretty old now |
| 21:49.52 | karl_w_w | okay editing done time to test |
| 21:50.28 | Dagmar | Hopefully they have no relatives that are all kindsa freaked otu |
| 21:53.19 | karl_w_w | hmmm |
| 21:53.34 | karl_w_w | he's not dead, he's not a ghost, but the grim reaper is still coming |
| 21:53.54 | karl_w_w | maybe u need to edit the situation out |
| 22:00.12 | karl_w_w | ok found the interaction :P |
| 22:01.17 | bleeter | kd3: http://memegenerator.net/Angry-Linus |
| 22:02.08 | kd3 | that was quick |
| 22:02.46 | Kaylin | memegenerator.net/instance/22144388 is pretty good |
| 22:03.46 | Dagmar | Also filled with malware |
| 22:04.44 | Dagmar | It's time for them to regulate on their advertisers |
| 22:06.07 | Dagmar | Chrome is pretty unimpressed. "This is malware. Keep or Discard." |
| 22:06.22 | Kaylin | lol what is this now? |
| 22:06.36 | Kaylin | some ad I don't see? =/ |
| 22:06.39 | Dagmar | I just got a supercool ad redirection to a malware site from there |
| 22:06.40 | Dagmar | yeah |
| 22:06.46 | Kaylin | ah =/ sorry |
| 22:06.49 | Kaylin | shoulda direct linked. |
| 22:06.58 | Dagmar | I wouldn't even swear it |
| 22:07.01 | Dagmar | er sweat it |
| 22:07.19 | Dagmar | I would have had to slam my face on the keyboard for that to work |
| 22:07.36 | Dagmar | People looking for low-hanging fruit |
| 22:08.35 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/4tbbd.jpg |
| 22:09.03 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: called 'Dark Fantasy' in the U |
| 22:09.04 | jnwhiteh | UK |
| 22:09.46 | Arrowmaster | Dark Fantasy is a bit more encompassing than "New Teen Paranormal Romance" |
| 22:10.01 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:10.07 | jnwhiteh | that's absurdly (disgustingly) specific |
| 22:11.37 | foxlit | The "New" is probably about release date |
| 22:12.57 | karl_w_w | marked the interaction as cancelled, wish me luck :P |
| 22:15.44 | karl_w_w | bollocks |
| 22:16.12 | karl_w_w | ok what happens if i delete the grim reaper |
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| 22:43.46 | Thunder_Child | no one dies anymore karl_w_w |
| 22:51.15 | karl_w_w | not if I can help it |
| 23:00.32 | Thunder_Child | stop messing with the natural order of things |
| 23:06.23 | karl_w_w | sigh he's still floating |
| 23:06.41 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 23:08.29 | karl_w_w | i can make him alive but idk how to get the rest of the game to recognise it |
| 23:08.51 | Thunder_Child | stop using cheat codes? |
| 23:09.05 | karl_w_w | im not :P |
| 23:09.12 | karl_w_w | im wayyyyyyyyyy beyond cheat codes |
| 23:09.27 | Thunder_Child | or 'hand + delete key' |
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| 23:14.54 | mckenziemc | Persepolis will produce a Wealth in more than 99 turns. |
| 23:18.37 | Thunder_Child | sounds like Civ Y |
| 23:18.40 | Thunder_Child | err V |
| 23:19.22 | bleeter | really pissed off about new Civ V DLC, don't have cash at hand right now so am going to have to wait a li'l while before I can get the Pastafarians :( |
| 23:26.27 | arton | why did the cowboy adopt a dachsund? to get a long little doggie. |
| 23:43.20 | Thunder_Child | you have a death wish dont you arton |
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| 23:46.06 | karl_w_w | Thunder_Child: I can edit his file so he dies if you like |
| 23:48.49 | Thunder_Child | done |
| 23:49.56 | karl_w_w | can't believe i went and died like a proper pillock |
| 23:54.34 | karl_w_w | no wait, I can't believe my gas stove electrocuted me |
| 23:54.46 | mckenziemc | o.o |
