IRC log for #wowuidev on 20120520

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00:12.12foxlitso, that end-of-act boss animation in act 3
00:12.21foxlitI always end up standing in that blood shower :/
00:13.18foxlitin related news, nephalem valor is awesome. Never seen so much loot.
00:15.58Jamashso does nephalem valor stack for each elite / pack?
00:16.16foxlitup to some limit, yes
00:16.26nevcairielwhen does that thing start?
00:16.31nevcairielin inferno?
00:16.42foxlitat 60
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01:35.12Arrowmastermy $0.01 doctor who poster is now framed and hung on the wall
01:35.15Arrowmasterits fucking huge
01:39.08Thunder_Childcreepy
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01:43.01Arrowmasterhttp://imgur.com/Z7vyb
01:44.21Arrowmasteri think the mats a little too wide
01:44.42Thunder_Childyes
01:44.54Thunder_Childalso, most painting/posters are hung...
01:45.04Arrowmasterso
01:45.08Arrowmasterit looks great framed
01:45.19Thunder_Childwhat? not the framing
01:45.28Arrowmasteroh that shelf? its not sitting onit
01:45.35Thunder_Childah, looks like it
01:46.01Arrowmasterthe shelf was there and something else was hanging up there, i took that down and there was just barely enough room to hang the frame and keep the shelf
01:46.25Thunder_Childreally? looks like it could be hung higher
01:46.50Arrowmasteryeah if i put a new hanger in the wall it will go a little higher
01:47.42Arrowmasteri dont know how much i trust the little nail in the plaster wall
01:48.34Thunder_Childget a butterfly mount then
01:56.08JamashArrowmaster: rad
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02:28.50Arrowmasteri love it when the enchantress turns bosses into chickens
02:49.45Arrowmasteri just killed Zuul the Ancient
02:53.02nilyaK1there is no boss, there is only ZUUL
03:05.34CairennI need to thank you guys ... some more than others ...  for my ability to read 'drunk'.  Coming in handy right now.
03:06.33Thunder_Child>.<
03:06.40CairennDaughter is at SPWF and just got back to her room from the absinthe tasting ....
03:06.57Cairennto say hi and get some food before heading out again
03:07.08Cairennher ability to type is somewhat impaired atm
03:07.13Cairennlol
03:09.51Thunder_Childi'm impressed her ability to use an electronic device is not impaired...
03:09.57Thunder_Childlet alone type
03:11.06Cairennhey, she's a geek, and her mother's daughter ... she can use a computer just fine drunk ... well, maybe not 'just fine', but she can still use it ;)
03:11.33Thunder_Childabsinthe adds a bit more than 'drunk'
03:11.55Cairennshe's having fun, it's all good :)
03:20.43pompy"Found via the facebook friend finder" .. in a bnet friend request i received.. i thought blizzard doesnt have any facebook apps
03:26.30Thunder_Childi thought you could post achievements on FB
03:34.29ArrowmasterSC2 has a facebook feature
03:34.48Arrowmasterand i totally just hydra kited diablo
03:34.55nilyaK1I did that in d1
03:35.02nilyaK1well guardian but
03:35.04nilyaK1same idea
03:35.15Arrowmasterusing arcane hydra and the arcane slow passive that completely didnt work on diablo
03:35.59Arrowmasterand the exploding mirror images
03:36.15nilyaK1Guys don't play WoW.
03:37.25Arrowmasteri dont
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04:27.49karl_w_wwhy not nilyaK1? D:
04:32.11Arrowmasteri got a knockback mortar invulnerable minions champ right outside the tristam gates, i cant kill it
04:35.14Arrowmasterso i left it in town and went out and kited a health link plagued mortar pack around a tree for 5 minutes
04:37.06Arrowmastermortar molten health link now, what the fuck is this why does EVERYTHING have mortar
04:42.10Arrowmasterillusionist nightmarish mortar! ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING MORTAR DAMNIT!!!
05:06.10randomDudeArrowmaster: i would have simply threw it on the ground
05:07.25nilyaK1I'M AN ADULT, I PLAY GAMES RATED M, MAN.  I DON'T NEED FREE.  I CAN BUY MY OWN ITEMS WITH PAYPAL, NERD.
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05:08.39WobinI feel like I've completely missed a whole third of a conversation here
05:08.44randomDudenilyaK1: it's a big step up in the world for you then
05:08.49ArrowmasterrandomDude: yeah i gave up
05:10.06nilyaK1no I was referencing threw it on the ground and connecting it with the I'm an adult line --> real adults have money and can spend it on virtual d3 items (not true, but you know) and sorta making fun of it.
05:10.23nilyaK1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
05:10.24randomDudeit's ok, i believe you
05:10.57randomDudenilyaK1: the others might ridicule you, however i will champion your virtues!
05:11.14randomDudeyou are an adult now after all
05:12.02nilyaK1TIL games rated M are only played by a 17+ audience, with jobs and extra money to spend on swords, if you know what I mean :O
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05:41.49mckenziemcwtf
05:42.13mckenziemci just noticed the female pandaren icon on the char creation screen is the male one with a bowtie added
05:49.13Thunder_Childmckenziemc: it's a traaaaaaaaaaap
05:50.26nilyaKas a transwoman, I resent your use of the term trap.
05:51.32Thunder_Child"as a transwoman, I represent your use of the term trap." <-- fixed.
05:53.48nilyaKno, fuck you.
05:54.22randomDudethis is not a virtue i can champion
05:54.28randomDudeyou're on your own
06:00.22nilyaKo.O
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06:02.46Wobinhahah, mortar waller
06:02.53Wobinthey kept blocking their own shots
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07:38.05zenzelezz"Americans! You already know metric, because you use money. Pennies, dimes, dollars, class dismissed. What are you fighting for?"
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07:45.24karl_w_wfuck off vlc
07:46.36karl_w_wi use it for one thing and it crashes
07:55.39zenzelezzwhich thing?
07:56.49nilyaKall the things
07:57.17nilyaKalso, forgot eagles
07:57.40nilyaKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_%28United_States_coin%29
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08:03.33Fiskerwhoop
08:03.35Fiskerfirst legendary
08:05.20zenzelezzgrats
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08:09.03karl_w_whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKfuhLCVldg&feature=plcp
08:09.11harlhi
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08:15.56nevcairielgot a new weapon and suddenly i do like 400 dps more, sometimes its scary how that shit scales
08:16.13nevcairiel(weapon has 20 dps more then the old one)
08:16.32Fiskerobvious + primary stat or attack speed is obvious
08:20.37nevcairieli know why it happens, but when i got it i still didnt expect it to increase my dps by 40% :P
08:30.47arton_Richard Stallman doesn't want us using the term "piracy." "The article repeats the movie company propaganda by calling sharing "piracy". To use that term is to support the War on Sharing; please join me in refusing to use it. "
08:31.00arton_arrr
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08:38.26mikmafisker: 60 much?
08:38.42Mr_Rabieshttp://i.imgur.com/oREMS.jpg is my favorite stallman image
08:39.30arton_Real impressive.
08:40.32arton_Does Stallman use Gentoo?
08:40.36nilyaKLOL wait graded assignment?
08:40.42nilyaKstallman uses racket :)
08:41.07Mr_Rabiesno clue but it makes me laugh
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08:41.40nilyaKhttp://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
08:41.55Mr_Rabiesimagine if stallman and alan moore met up for whatever reason
08:42.05Mr_Rabiescops would be everywhere immediately
08:42.40arton_Throw in some schizos and have a real party.
08:43.25Mr_RabiesI have several free web browsers on my laptop, but I generally do not look at web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites operated for or by the GNU Project, FSF or me. I fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the
08:43.26Mr_RabiesHTML page directly.
08:43.27Mr_Rabieswhat kind of
08:43.29Mr_Rabieswhat
08:43.39Mr_Rabiesstallman, you crazy, dawg
08:43.58nevcairielwho needs browsers, i read html!
08:44.21arton_lol
08:44.24nevcairielsome people are just damaged in the head
08:44.26nilyaKif it
08:44.42nilyaK's well written code, it should be able to be read by humans in html form
08:44.43arton_Stallman's a good guy.
08:44.57arton_Good heart.
08:45.06nilyaKif it's not, they didn't care enough about the page to write the code in a well formed way
08:45.14nilyaKso why would you care to read it?
08:45.18nilyaKalso yes I <3 him a lot
08:45.55nevcairielwell-formed html and human-readable html are two entirely different things
08:46.03nevcairielyou know, because its not meant to be humand readable
08:46.06nevcairiel-d
08:46.55nilyaKidk I use xhtml, xhtml is perfectly able to be read
08:47.07nevcairielunless of course you write some static websites, then it might as well be human readable so the editor can also read it :p
08:47.09Mr_RabiesI firmly refuse to install non-free software or tolerate its installed presence on my computer or on computers set up for me.
08:47.29Mr_Rabiesi don't really get this
08:47.40mikmaso, monk
08:47.44nevcairielThats the freetard attitude
08:47.44nilyaKI've been known to do that yea, so people can host them on bricks and not pay for anything
08:47.51nevcairielrather cripple my system then use non-free
08:48.01mikmadoes he benefit from the fistweapons or is it the same to use the highest dps weapon
08:48.16Mr_Rabiesfist weapons tend to have good monk-only things
08:48.25Mr_Rabiesbut if it's dps-to-dps it doesn't seem to matter
08:48.37Mr_Rabiesassuming you're talking D3 Monk
08:48.38Mr_Rabies:p
08:48.50mikmatrue that, but at the start it's pretty rare to find a good fister that's better than any other weapon
08:48.50Mr_Rabiesfist weapons and daibos have things like spirit regeneration
08:48.53nevcairielalthough anything but fist weapons looks rather odd
08:48.58nilyaKAs for Facebook and Google+, I reject them on principle because they require people to give their "real names". I am proud to identify myself when stating my views; I can afford to do that because I am in a fairly safe position. There are people who rationally fear reprisals (from employers, gangsters, bullies, or the state) if they state their views. For their sake, let's reject any social networking site which insists on being told a us
08:49.03nilyaKif only we were all as sane
08:49.06nevcairielyou run around with your swords drawn, and when you punch, you put them away .D
08:49.21Mr_Rabiesi do really wish G+ let you use pseudonyms
08:49.25Mr_Rabiesi'd actually have a use for it
08:49.38mikmanevcairiel: yeah :D
08:50.03nilyaKTherefore, one should not buy or tolerate any product with DRM handcuffs unless one personally possesses the means to break the handcuffs. For instance, don't use encrypted DVDs unless you play them using DeCSS or another comparable free program. And never use a Bluray disk unless you find a way to break its handcuffs.
08:50.11nilyaK*cough* d3 *cough*
08:50.19Mr_Rabiesbecause none of my non-nerd friends use G+, and i value psuedoanonymity with people i don't know irl
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08:51.18Mr_Rabieshow does stallman expect software companies to pay their rent or employees
08:51.20nilyaKhttp://stallman.org/facebook.html
08:51.20Mr_Rabiesi don't really understand
08:51.27nevcairielhe is a freetard
08:51.34nevcairielthe concept of making money with software is beyond them
08:51.40Mr_Rabiesdoes he expect all software to be coded out of the kindness of peoples' hearts?
08:51.58arton_I code because I want to.
08:52.10nevcairielI code because i get paid for it :P
08:52.41arton_Way to devalue the art of coding.
08:52.43nevcairielgranted, we dont sell what we code, its all web applications
08:52.50nevcairielfor in house use
08:53.19arton_You don't have any side projects then?
08:53.29Mr_Rabiesi think refusing to work for free raises the value of coding, personally :P
08:53.59arton_I don't work for free. Stop thinking of coding as "work."
08:54.09nevcairieli have plenty of hobby projects, but those also are open source
08:54.14Mr_Rabiesonly tyrants expect people to paint frescos for free
08:55.26nevcairieli wonder if those people refuse to use modern washing machines, they come with a proprietary firmware
08:55.29nilyaKand volunteer fresco painters
08:55.35arton_No, artists get payed for their talents. They grow in popularity, not in IPO.
08:56.02Mr_Rabiespopularity doesn't put food on the table
08:56.08arton_Yes it does.
08:56.17arton_Entertainment industry is all about popularity.
08:56.22arton_Fashion
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08:56.23nevcairieldidn't most artists have to die to become popular? :P
08:56.27Mr_Rabiesentertainment industry is about cash money
08:56.34Mr_Rabieshence, industry
08:56.48arton_Popularity is fundamental to the entertainment industry :P
08:57.12Mr_Rabiessure, popular things are popular
08:57.24arton_And that's what makes the bucks.
08:57.29Fiskermad much mikma ?
08:57.51Mr_Rabiesthey're popular because of marketing
08:58.01Mr_Rabiesmarketing is designed to make the bucks
08:58.05arton_No, talent is true. There's no other.
08:58.25Mr_Rabiesall the talent in the world means nothing if it's not properly marketed
08:58.57arton_Doesn't mean the RIAA _has_ to exist.
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08:59.14Mr_Rabiesi'm sure there were plenty of artists with more skill than raphael or da vinci in their times, but they didn't have funding from crime syndicates who owned towns
08:59.20arton_I think I just rolled over topic.
08:59.43Mr_Rabiespure talent means nothing without good marketing
09:00.01Mr_Rabiesoh of course, the RIAA is wholly unnecessary, but marketing is really important
09:00.02arton_Justin Bieber did his own marketing.
09:00.23arton_Marketing is important yes.
09:00.29Mr_Rabiesjust, as soon as you start marketing you've already "devalued the worth of art"
09:00.40arton_BUt that's just another talent and popularity.
09:00.57Mr_Rabiesbecause the goal of marketing is to make yourself popular so you make money
09:00.57arton_The talent takes on talent to market talent.
09:01.10Mr_Rabiestalent is secondary to good marketing
09:01.20Mr_Rabieswhy do you think michael bay is so famous
09:01.33arton_I don't know who that is.
09:01.36Mr_Rabiesi could probably make better films than him
09:01.47arton_I don't keep u0p with names really though.
09:02.15arton_I know big name actors and actresses mainly, and even then I'm not sure what names are outside of film.
09:02.17Mr_Rabiesword of mouth only goes so far, you've gotta sell your product to get it popular
09:02.30Mr_Rabiesor pay someone else to
09:02.36arton_I'm not arguing against that.
09:02.40Mr_Rabieswhich isn't cheap
09:03.05Mr_Rabiesandy warhol is the best example i can think of
09:03.06arton_Market your software with payed ads then.
09:03.58Mr_Rabiesthat's worse than selling it
09:04.04arton_We're at a tipping point in terms of software patents.
09:04.16bluspacecowMaldivia:  Ping
09:04.41arton_Actually I found some good mobile apps from ads.
09:04.48Mr_Rabieswell, i mean in most cases at least
09:04.55Mr_Rabiesvery few sites run their own ads
09:05.02Mr_Rabiesso you have to go to third parties, which are the worst
09:05.03arton_Oh
09:05.08arton_nods.
09:05.20Mr_Rabiesi run adblock globally because it's not worth the risk
09:05.27arton_hehe
09:05.44Mr_Rabiessites that run their own ads tend to not be blacklisted anyway
09:06.44arton_Does Blizzard profit from popularity?
09:07.07arton_obvious question is obvious
09:07.30Mr_Rabiessure, but marketing got them where they are
09:07.50arton_but popularity keeps the customers coming back for more
09:08.04Mr_Rabiesif warcraft was released as some random freeware game on usenet
09:08.15Mr_Rabieswe'd probably never be talking
09:08.16arton_lol
09:08.34arton_I recall working on marketing for an old MUD named AberPHoenix.
09:08.51arton_Just making sure we were on all the MUD lists.
09:09.43arton_BUt without players sticking with the game you'd rarely keep new players looking for a multiple user dungeon.
09:10.00arton_Your customers are your best marketing.
09:10.11arton_Let them run their own reviews.
09:10.16Mr_Rabiesthey're good because they're free
09:10.21Mr_Rabiesbut they're far from the best way to start
09:10.22arton_:)
09:10.37Mr_Rabiesif you can't afford anything else, then that's all you cand o
09:10.38Mr_Rabiescan do
09:10.49arton_YOu start without anyone so that's kind of a truism.
09:11.04Mr_Rabiesbut there's a reason we're not in World of AberPHoenix ui developers irc
09:11.21arton_hehe
09:11.33arton_Yeah that old text-style RPG went out a while back.
09:11.44arton_Back in the day though, these were awesome.
09:11.44Mr_Rabiesand that's because you guys probably couldn't afford a real marketing budget
09:11.47Mr_Rabieswhich is fine
09:11.59Mr_Rabiesbut that's a fun project to do for personal enjoyment
09:12.06arton_Muds are dead dude. :P
09:12.23Mr_Rabiessure, because marketing graphics is easy
09:12.37arton_Some servers remain, but the dust has settled.
09:13.05arton_You lost me.
09:13.06Mr_Rabiesroguelikes are mostly dead too, but their legacy exists even in diablo 3
09:13.17nilyaKclearly because text rpgs don't have much of a UI
09:13.21arton_lol
09:13.42arton_Hey textual RPG was the shit at one time.
09:13.53Mr_Rabiesi said World of AberPHoenix, the inevitable graphical MMO after the AberPHoenix franchise took off
09:14.26arton_Well, we had a strict stance against graphical games by principle. :P
09:14.45Mr_Rabiesprinciples are overrated
09:14.51arton_lol
09:15.13Mr_Rabiesin the end, my goal is to have fun and try to avoid things that kill people
09:15.31Mr_Rabiesthat's the only principle i stand behind
09:15.48Mr_Rabiesother people can enjoy the really dangerous stuff, i'm cool with playing video games
09:15.51arton_well it's hard to avoid global warming. now what? :)
09:16.16Mr_Rabiesglobal warming likely won't have any discernable effect in my lifetime
09:16.28arton_that's the spirit
09:16.38Mr_Rabiesand hopefully once it's a real problem people will have a good reason to fix it
09:16.46nilyaKmy neighbor rages so hard at LOL I can  hear him at like 3AM through my walls
09:16.49nevcairielif its even a real thing, we don't have nearly enough data to form any well-founded conclusions
09:16.53arton_Well see there's a point of no return.
09:17.04bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
09:17.33Mr_Rabiesi think we should be funding the space program better so we'll be colonizing space by the time life on earth is gone
09:17.49Mr_Rabieswe're pretty well equipped to be the cockroaches of the universe
09:17.54nilyaKI don't think the let's find somewhere else to destroy is the best soltion, cool as it may be
09:18.04arton_lol
09:18.44Mr_Rabiesi'll be long dead before this is a problem
09:19.06nevcairielwonders what will happen the day we run out of oil
09:19.25nevcairieli fear i may live to see that day!
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09:19.52Mr_Rabiesmy suggestion is to do what we can to get off this rock and do what we can to keep the species alive
09:19.55arton_Someone will still be alive though.
09:20.10arton_Once you're gone that is.
09:20.14Mr_Rabiesi'll never see what happens either way
09:20.24arton_It's pretty selfish to conclude that nothing matters beyond one's own life.
09:20.35Mr_Rabiesi've offered my solution
09:20.45arton_oh
09:21.33Mr_Rabiesi'd like for humanity to continue past my death, but i won't see it anyway
09:22.07Mr_Rabiesi'd suggest they do what i've asked and get off the earth, once we're in space we're pretty effectively immortal as a species
09:22.12Mr_Rabiesuntil the heat death of the universe, of course
09:22.26arton_It all ends on thi year's Winter Solstice anyways.
09:22.35Mr_Rabiesdidn't someone do the math
09:22.46arton_?
09:22.55Mr_Rabiesthe mayan calendar is only 300 days or something, so the fated end has already passed or something
09:22.58Mr_Rabiesi dunno
09:23.04arton_ah :)
09:23.04Mr_Rabiesnot really well versed because it's a dumb thing anyway
09:23.15Mr_Rabieshow the f
09:23.18nilyaKna they found another one that goes till like 3500AD
09:23.23nilyaKbecause fuck conspiraces lol
09:23.23Mr_Rabiesdid we get from richard stallman to the heat death of the universe
09:23.56arton_Richard Stallman said something about global warming and I read that earlier.
09:24.18arton_I kind of set this conversations up I guess subconciously.
09:24.38Mr_Rabiesrichard stallman is an intergalactic being that harvests human souls to prolong the heath death of the universe
09:24.47Mr_Rabiesheat death
09:25.10arton_Mother Earth is real.
09:25.19arton_And she's pissed.
09:25.51arton_I read that out of a book on Wicca
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09:26.25Mr_Rabiesthis is richard stallman: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5sJBuQ0n65s/TU_SjlUh8-I/AAAAAAAAAF8/05A-JMCx1WY/s1600/Kyuubey_Chara_Sheet.jpg
09:26.30karl_w_wim here to moan about H zonozz
09:26.53arton_Mr_Rabies: huh?
09:26.59Mr_Rabiesh zonozz is awful karl_w_w
09:27.12karl_w_wwhat's that? all 3 healers have debuff? well It's time to psychic drain so *blows raspberry*
09:27.48Mr_Rabiesi don't really know what's killing us, karl_w_w
09:27.58Mr_Rabiesblack phase -> DEATH
09:28.10Mr_Rabiesevery time
09:28.30Mr_Rabieswe've pulled him so many times it's stupid at this point and we barely survive black phases
09:29.03Mr_Rabiesthe first one we can usually be okay on, though sometimes we lose any number of people, but after that it's almost always a wipe
09:29.18Mr_Rabiesduring a black phase, before the enrage
09:30.17Mr_Rabiesi think our healers just need more practice
09:32.35Mr_Rabieshttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-9spopijy9jysvm6m/ is some of this week's attempts, and http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-7cjicgfbf8brlyee/ has some of last week's, but i don't really know what we're doing wrong :|
09:32.45Mr_Rabiesit feels like we're missing a whole mechanic or something
09:32.52Mr_Rabiesit's that kind of WE'RE ALL DEAD
09:34.18karl_w_wMr_Rabies: are u interrupting the eyes?
09:34.38Mr_Rabiesyeah, it does seem to help somewhat but we're kinda limited in that regard
09:35.05karl_w_wand ur killing the smallest ones first?
09:35.15karl_w_wwe had problems until we got our strat straight
09:35.25Mr_Rabieswe were for the longest time, but for some reason killing eyes first has been working better
09:35.32karl_w_wevery1 does the exact same thing every time
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09:37.07Mr_Rabiesand we're barely getting any damage on the boss
09:37.41Mr_Rabieswe're usually at like 65% right after second black phase
09:37.41arton_We need to charge businesses royalties for the use of mathematics.
09:38.17arton_Put the funds raised into education.
09:40.28karl_w_wyeah he drops faster and faster cos of the debuff
09:40.35Mr_Rabiesi'm sure apple will find a way to charge for the use of mathematics and put the funds into tim cook's pocket
09:40.45karl_w_wworry abour getting to enrage before u worry about beating it
09:40.53arton_Mr_Rabies: Bingo
09:40.59Mr_Rabiesyeah that's what we're doing, karl_w_w
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09:41.53Mr_Rabiesenrage will be a problem once it kills us
09:42.02Mr_Rabiesuntil then it's a far off concern that will bother generations from now
09:42.07Mr_Rabieslike global warming :p
09:45.17bluspacecowanyone interesting in wanting to run a traceroute for me and throwing the results up on pastebin for me ?
09:45.18bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
09:47.49karl_w_wwow my guild SUCKS
09:48.19karl_w_w"oh look, green slime! I know, let's all stack up"
09:49.13karl_w_whttp://codepad.org/d5rLIH3p bluspacecow
09:49.14Humbedoohbluspacecow, http://apaste.info/ySJ8
09:49.22Mr_Rabiesbluspacecow: http://pastebin.com/e7cEtcSG
09:49.31Mr_Rabiesmy tracerts are awful usually
09:49.34Mr_Rabiesi don't really know why
09:49.44bluspacecowthanks guys
09:49.51bluspacecowtrying to track down an issue
09:50.32bluspacecowcan i assume you can all get into game ?
09:50.54nilyaKidk what is that for?
09:50.56nilyaKwow?
09:51.18nilyaKI can try if so, if it's d3/sc2 then I don't have em
09:52.30bluspacecownope.jpg
09:52.36bluspacecowD3 login servers afaik
09:53.45Mr_Rabiesi shall czech
09:53.55bluspacecowwhic error ?
09:54.15nilyaKI have some d2 friends on
09:54.22nilyaKinc sixen
09:54.25nilyaKerr d3
09:54.50Mr_Rabiesjust logged in to d3, bluspacecow
09:55.16bluspacecowis czech = check or crash ?
09:55.45nilyaKit
09:55.48nilyaKis a country
09:56.00bluspacecow"Mr_Rabies: i shall czech"
09:56.03nilyaKand a people
09:56.04nilyaKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic
09:56.10nilyaKoh
09:56.19nilyaKpronounced like "check"
09:56.26nilyaKso 1st one
09:57.44Mr_Rabiessometimes i forget not everyone uses the same internet slang as my group of friends on a private irc network
09:58.18karl_w_w2 fucking attempts in a row
09:58.20karl_w_wstack up for green
09:58.21karl_w_wwtf
09:58.44Mr_Rabiesstack up for green
09:58.45Mr_Rabieswhat
09:58.53Mr_Rabieswhat's green on zon'ozz D:
09:58.58karl_w_won yorsahj
09:59.00Mr_Rabiesoh, yorsahj now
09:59.09Mr_Rabieswhy are they stacking
09:59.11Mr_RabiesD:
09:59.26karl_w_wcos they're fuckin retards
09:59.28Mr_Rabiesthere's a reason the range finder pops up in dbm :P
09:59.34Mr_Rabiesit's not usually "let's bear hug"
09:59.50Mr_Rabies(sometimes it is, but rarely)
10:00.17Adysany eu 55-60 up for some coop games?
10:02.24Mr_Rabieshow on the earth
10:02.26Mr_Rabiesyou guys are nuts
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10:10.43karl_w_wgood good now we're blowing up purple debuffs
10:10.47karl_w_wlike fuckin champs
10:11.35karl_w_w1 hour 40 in here and we've managed to kill 2 bosses we had on farm
10:15.22Mr_Rabiesi'm the king of blowing up purple debuffs
10:16.17Mr_Rabiesi'm a feral druid and i have an addon that flashes candystripe colors across health bars under 60% and when i see the whole raid flashing candystripe my first instinct is to pop tranquility
10:16.42Mr_Rabiesi wiped us twice doing that
10:16.59Mr_Rabiesafter that i moved it off my actionbar until we learned it
10:17.59karl_w_wi shouldnt be surprised really, this is a group that cant even fathom dispels
10:18.27karl_w_wand pretty much every mana void gets killed too early
10:19.01karl_w_wthe only thing we can do is press our ultraxion buttons
10:19.07karl_w_wmost of the time
10:24.33Mr_Rabiesha
10:24.40Mr_Rabiessometimes i get in the zone on ultraxion
10:24.43Mr_Rabiesfor better or for worse
10:25.01Mr_Rabiessometimes being in the zone means i'm doing insane dps despite being hindered because i can't backstab
10:25.10Mr_Rabiessometimes being in the zone means i'm trying to do that and forget to click
10:25.36Mr_Rabiesi'm rarely the cause of wipes though
10:26.16Mr_Rabiesi used to raid back in vanilla so my brain still thinks it takes forever to setup after a wipe i guess
10:26.18Mr_Rabiesor something
10:26.29Mr_Rabiesso i feel really awful when i do it
10:30.26karl_w_wWOW
10:30.30karl_w_wfucking 1%
10:30.35karl_w_wpurple phase
10:30.39karl_w_wand the fucking spriest
10:30.44karl_w_wour fucking GM
10:30.49karl_w_wdecides to hymn
10:32.44arton_games are fun
10:33.22karl_w_wbullshit
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10:54.44arton_the best part of waking up - http://imgur.com/CXQ6l
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11:09.31karl_w_wwe did yorsahj on normal
11:09.36karl_w_wthat's how good we are
11:09.51karl_w_weven then they still managed to stack for green
11:21.11arton_lol
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11:53.39Sintacksi did it on heroic in my alt run...
11:53.48Sintacksfuck healing that fight in a 10 man as a resto druid
11:54.08Sintacksdidn't help that grid wasn't showing stack counts correctly and i had to click on everyone to check their stacks before healing
11:54.22nevcairieloh hai error 37 again
11:54.54Maldivianevcairiel: think they are in the middle of fixing achievement servers or something
11:55.08nevcairieli just looked at my achievements, and it said i had none
11:55.13nevcairielso i tried relogging, and cant get back in :P
11:56.16Maldiviayeah, they are 28014-erroring out :P
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12:35.51cbreakI need an action bar mod for Diablo 3
12:36.02cbreakat least one to remember different spell presets
12:36.30cbreakso I can switch faster between different "builds"
12:36.50olafskiyeah I've found myself wanting that too
12:36.55olafskiboss / trash builds :P
12:37.03olafskibut I'm only halfway through nightmare..
12:37.36cbreakI am half way through normal.
12:37.40olafskiI have a feeling I'll be replaying this one a lot less than diablo 2 =(
12:37.49Sintackswhy is taht?
12:37.57Sintacksalso, Act 2.3 of Hell
12:37.59olafskidunno, it just seems to get old quicker
12:38.01cbreakI might play it once per class
12:38.03cbreakbut that's it
12:38.11olafskithe first playthrough, I explored every corner of every map
12:38.20Sintacksyou're on normal... the fun doesn't start until hell
12:38.23olafskinow on nightmare, I find myself just skipping to the main quest objective and not entering dungeons
12:38.45cbreakdo you have to start a new character for increased difficulty?
12:38.52olafskino, you continue
12:39.15olafskiI defeated diablo at level 33, am 46 now.. should be around 50-52 when I beat nightmare
12:39.56Sintacksyeah. 50 is about perfect. cuz that's required for hell
12:40.13Sintacksi hit 50 about 20 minutes before killing Diablo in nightmare
12:40.25SintacksHell was a pain in the ass at first..
12:41.04olafskiso was nightmare
12:41.07olafskiit's getting easier though
12:41.30olafskiI bought a 150 dps weapon on the AH for 2000 gold, when I was still rocking my 97 dps thing.. helped quite a bit
12:41.39Sintackslol
12:41.48Sintacksa guildie gave me a 240 dagger
12:41.57Sintackswent from a 174 to 240...
12:42.01cbreakI am still trying to figure out how the formulas in there work
12:42.01Sintackswas omnomnom
12:42.07olafskibut I still don't really know what's what.. since all abilities seem to depend on weapon damage, wouldn't it be useful to always have a 2 hander? :s
12:42.11cbreakbut for now I focus on +magic find stat :)
12:42.26cbreakolafski: they depend on weapon dps afaik
12:42.28Sintacksi don't like how the formulas work to be quite honest.
12:42.33cbreakso if you attack faster, dps increases
12:42.43cbreakand dual wielding just gives a 15% or so bonus
12:42.46Sintacksbut +damage is the most powerful stat
12:42.49olafskicbreak: yeah ok, dps then.. still, a 2 hander has a lot higher dps than a 1 hander I imagine
12:43.03cbreakfrom what I've read, + attachs is the most powerful stat
12:43.17cbreakolafski: I would not rely on that
12:43.30Sintacks+damage and +attack speed are the most important stats.
12:43.33Sintackshow 'bout that. =p
12:43.35Sintacksor most powerful
12:43.40MaldiviaSintacks: weapons from around level 54 and up startes to really pick up in damage... insanely so :P
12:43.43olafskihrm.. I've been focusing on strength and vitality
12:43.48cbreak+attack speed is different from +atacks
12:43.49Sintacksyeah i know, Maldivia
12:43.57cbreakI've seen a weapon that gives you additional attacks
12:44.00Sintackswtf is +atacks
12:44.03Sintacksohh
12:44.14cbreak(in a movie on youtube...)
12:44.28cbreaka white weapon gave more dps than some blue
12:44.32MaldiviaSintacks: but it's needed in late hell :P
12:44.33cbreak(in dual wield)
12:44.45Sintackssockets in weapons are a must. +damage and/or +weapon speed speed are also a must (kind of)
12:44.53Sintacksi don't like it...
12:44.58Sintacksyour primary stat should have the most power...
12:45.00cbreakI play a wizzard.
12:45.07cbreakdon't wanna use my weapon :)
12:45.22Sintacks+5-10 damage should not be more powerful than +80 dex (for a monk)
12:45.23Sintacks:|
12:45.28Maldiviawell, your weapon still determines how much damage your spells does
12:45.30Sintacksanyway /me goes to sleep
12:45.37nevcairielyour primary stat does scale the most really
12:45.42Sintacksi'm not even talking about base dps on the weapon
12:45.45cbreak+magic find ftw!
12:45.55Sintacksi'm talking about +damage on other items as well
12:46.02MaldiviaSintacks: early game, the +damage are HUGE... late game, I tend to value stats higher
12:46.20Sintackswalks away
12:46.51Maldiviaand the +5-10 damage vs 80 stat, highly depend on what weapon you have equipped
12:47.04cbreakwtf
12:47.09cbreakI can't play diablo
12:47.32jnwhitehbattle.net is down for maintenance
12:47.33nevcairielthere is maintenance in the eu
12:47.37jnwhitehlrn2read motd
12:47.48cbreakthey should do maintenance in the night
12:47.51cbreaknot when I want to play
12:48.06cbreakand they should have backup servers if they insist on making me use servers.
12:48.15jnwhitehWell, you should tell the issues to come up at convenient times
12:48.30cbreakI do
12:48.34Jamashoh man
12:48.34cbreakdo they listen? No.
12:48.36Jamashfinished normal
12:48.36cbreakstupid issues.
12:48.53JamashWOOOOOOO
12:48.58Maldiviapersonally, I think servers have hold up quite nice for week 1
12:49.03cbreakone week?!
12:49.08cbreakI want to play this game for more than one week
12:49.30nevcairielneed to buy a new copy, it was only good for one week
12:49.32JamashI think that blizzard made a colossally anti-customer decision when they made it online only and they should get torn a new one for it
12:49.46Jamashhowever, the game itself is awesometastic++
12:50.31jnwhitehit was the easiest way to prevent issues with offline hacking, really
12:50.36Jamashno it wasn't
12:50.37jnwhitehcertainly not popular, though
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12:51.16JamashI'm going to have to write up an open letter on "why the reason(s) you think online only is OK is/are wrong, aren't I?
12:51.17nevcairieli dont mind, i have internet everywhere
12:51.27jnwhitehumm
12:51.30jnwhitehno
12:51.34jnwhitehbecause they made the decision
12:51.34Jamashs/,/),/
12:51.39Jamashdamn it
12:51.42jnwhitehthey don't have to justify it
12:51.43Jamashyou know what i mean
12:51.52Jamashthe letter isn't for blizzard
12:51.56jnwhitehoh
12:51.58jnwhitehwell don't write one for me
12:51.59Jamashit's for everyone except blizzard
12:52.02jnwhitehI won't read it
12:52.10nevcairielyou're free to don't play it if you hate it so much =)
12:52.20JamashI love the game, I hate the delivery mechanism
12:52.40JamashI can do both, right? Is that ok with you?
12:53.10Jamashanyway I'm sick of people parroting blizzard's dumbass excuses for online only
12:53.18jnwhitehI don't think anyone was doin that
12:53.19nevcairielActually, you can't. If it would be so  terrible, you would just not play
12:53.22jnwhitehI was expressing my personal opinion
12:53.26nevcairielyou still play, hence it can't be so bad
12:53.32jnwhitehI've never seen Blizzard say that, so I couldn't be parroting it.
12:53.39Jamash"it was the easiest way to prevent issues with offline hacking"
12:53.43jnwhitehyes
12:53.46jnwhitehmy opinion
12:53.56Jamashok, then you're also wrong
12:53.58jnwhitehI've never heard Blizzard say that
12:54.13jnwhitehoh, since you say so it must be so
12:54.41Jamashno, because of the reasons that it's wrong is why
12:54.47jnwhitehoh
12:54.51Jamashsuch as: having an offline mode has no effect on the online game
12:54.55jnwhitehwith an argument like that, how could I possibly feel otherwise
12:55.04Jamashthis is why I need to write said open letter
12:55.06Maldiviathey said something like not having the server part in the client helps with anti-hacking, and something about people be sad about having to create all new chars when they discovered it had a multiplayer/online part to the game as well
12:55.07Jamashso I can just link to it
12:55.12jnwhitehOh, that's an interesting perspective that I disagree with the moment that you want to play your offline character online.
12:55.17Humbedoohmmm $politics
12:55.18Jamashyeah those are both bullshit
12:55.30jnwhitehMaldivia: Ah, I haven't heard them say that, but I haven't been paying attention to the world for the past 6 months
12:55.34JamashI had realm characters and SP characters in DII just fine thx
12:55.38jnwhitehyes
12:55.41jnwhitehI don't want that
12:55.44jnwhitehI prefer what we have
12:55.47JamashI don't
12:55.50jnwhitehgood for you!
12:55.58Jamashyou'd be free to not use offline if it existed
12:56.06JamashI'm not free to use offline if it doesn't exist
12:56.18Jamashsee how that works
12:56.22jnwhiteh.. yes
12:56.23jnwhitehI do have a brain
12:56.28hastenoes, it doesn't drop page of blacksmithing in hell :(
12:56.28Maldiviajnwhiteh: pasrt 6 months - been busy with thesis, or?
12:56.35jnwhitehMaldivia: yes
12:56.55nevcairielhaste: isnt there a new things that drops
12:57.04jnwhitehI need to finish Normal
12:57.10jnwhitehbut I'l letting rtharper catch up, I think
12:57.13jnwhitehthen we'll rock together
12:57.13Maldivianevcairiel: yeah, pages in nightmare, tomes in hell
12:57.26hastenevcairiel: still need a ton of them :p
12:57.33Jamashthere are two reasons to have DIII be online only, and both are anti-consumer
12:57.48jnwhitehJamash: I don't think anyone here cares, perhaps you should write your open letter
12:57.55nevcairieli upgraded my BS to the point where i need the tome, and i'm still act3 nm
12:57.57Jamashif you don't care why are you arguing?
12:58.00jnwhitehIs it worth buying a new stash tab?
12:58.09cbreakDiablo III is so terrible that I don't play it
12:58.15cbreakbecause I can't log in!
12:58.15Jamashshush
12:58.19Maldiviajnwhiteh: do you have a lot of junk you need to stash? then yes
12:58.19Jamashohohoho
12:58.19cbreakdamnit.
12:58.19jnwhitehJamash: I haven't said anything contrary or argumentative in the past 3 minutes
12:58.49nevcairieli fully unlocked tab1, the next tab seems awful expensive
12:58.51JamashI wasn't aware that there was a three minute statue of limitations on IRC replies
12:58.53nevcairielso far i'm fine with the space
12:58.56Jamash*statute
12:59.00jnwhitehwell, the conversation had continued
12:59.07Maldiviajnwhiteh: personally, I bought the 2nd tab, and it's all gems and crafting mats now, basically :P
12:59.15Jamashdo you get the whole second page at once?
12:59.30MaldiviaJamash: no, just the first two lines
12:59.35Jamashreally?
12:59.43nevcairielthats a whole lot of gold for two more lines
12:59.45jnwhitehis it still another 10,000 per few lines
12:59.48jnwhitehor much much more expensive?
12:59.56jnwhitehcause I won't save up for it if that's the case.
13:00.03JamashI figured for 100k it'd be the whole second page
13:00.04Maldiviastill 10k on page 2 (IIRC)
13:00.11Jamashoh
13:00.13Jamashthat's weird
13:00.19jnwhitehyeah, not a fan :P
13:00.20Maldiviaand then 200k for 3rd tab
13:00.33Maldiviait's a one-time investment
13:00.42jnwhitehI'm just making new chars of each class and that clears up a ton of items
13:00.45nevcairieli cant say i have 100k just sitting there :p
13:00.54JamashI'm hovering around 40k most of the time
13:01.04Jamashwhenever I get more there's something to spend it on
13:01.11Maldiviajnwhiteh: yeah, but it's annoying to switch chars to clear stash space, when you just want to continue playing
13:01.29Maldiviagems are a HUGE HUGE gold sink!!
13:01.39nevcairielalso, does anyone sell their yellows in the AH? I can't really get any of thsoe items sold :p
13:01.50Jamashwhat level of rare?
13:02.03Jamashalso the AH was busted as heck last I checked
13:02.05nevcairielearly nightmare
13:02.09MaldiviaI tend to vendor blue and salvage yellow :P
13:02.16JamashI salvage everything
13:02.47jnwhitehgems are so cheap on the AH
13:02.47MaldiviaJamash: I did so to in the beginning, but was having some very serious cash flow issues from that :P
13:02.48nevcairielif i find a really good one for another class i think about stashing it, but usually i forget when i'm back in town and sell or salvage it :d
13:02.49jnwhitehlike.. super cheap
13:02.57Jamashcash flow? really?
13:02.59Maldiviajnwhiteh: the higher tiers as well?
13:03.05Jamashmoney flows like water
13:03.23jnwhitehMaldivia: i dunno im only level 28
13:03.38jnwhitehbut I got 6 Emeralds for like 400
13:03.45JamashI have the whole first stash page, and the jewelcrafter and blacksmith upgraded as far as they can go without nightmare pages and 40k left over
13:03.53Jamashjust from clearing normal once
13:04.04nevcairieli have tons of the non-prefix gems, its the lowest quality i keep around these days
13:04.18nevcairieli should probably upgrade that to flawless soon
13:04.20Maldiviajnwhiteh: ahh, that's tier 2... crafting a tier 7 gem costs 15k gold, +3 tier 6 gems, +1 time
13:04.28Maldiviatome*
13:04.41Jamashit takes tomes to make gems at high level? ew
13:04.47jnwhitehwow
13:05.08Jamashso it does http://us.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/jeweler/recipe/
13:05.10nevcairielBS also requires pages
13:05.14nevcairieland tomes later
13:06.19Maldiviathe gold prices on the web aren't correct though (wish they were)
13:06.45Jamasha lot of stuff on the website is wrong
13:06.51Jamashlike the level requirements on BS items
13:07.42Jamashis it possible to get fiery brimstone from salvaging rares?
13:08.08Maldiviayes
13:08.13Maldivialike 0.1% chance
13:08.16Jamashoh good
13:08.27Jamashsalvaging legendaries to craft legendaries sounds... painful
13:08.51nevcairieli have yet to find a legendary
13:09.02nevcairielheck i don't even find yellows all that often, i should equip some MF :p
13:09.17Jamashanyone else think that shen is looking for the mythical chat gem
13:09.41Jamashit drives its posessor mad :)
13:09.53Maldivianevcairiel: I've been running with a friend of mine (he plays a barb) and we're late act 3 hell... 0 legendaries... and he gets around 3x as many rares as me, really annoying :P
13:10.05Jamashget more mf
13:10.22nevcairiela friend i group with found a legendary in act1 nm yesterday
13:10.24MaldiviaJamash: we're in a party, we have the same MF
13:10.29Jamashget more mf
13:10.38nevcairielmf is shared among the party?
13:10.42Jamashit's averaged
13:11.22JamashI realized that MF is a stat sink
13:11.25Jamashit's very elegant
13:12.21Jamashif it didn't exist, the game would get easier and easier as people get better gear, but with MF every time the game gets too easy people will drop more damage and survival stats for MF
13:12.24mikmaOH NOES THE SHUTDOWN
13:12.53mikmahas someone backtraced the eu breaking news -page for d3 yet?
13:13.03Jamashbacktraced?
13:13.04Maldiviahttp://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb ?
13:13.11nevcairiel~d3alert
13:13.12purlhttp://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert]
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13:13.13mikmamaldivia: excellent
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13:14.28Jamashthus, greater skill = constant difficulty but better loot
13:15.02nevcairieli still wonder if MF is really worth it. I only remember the MF formulas from D2, and the stat was basically worthless back then
13:15.15Jamashthat's really not true at all
13:18.59Jamashhttp://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Magic_find_diminishing_returns
13:21.51Jamashzzzzz
13:22.26cbreakInterestingly, my "omg, diablo III is broken" post got lots of replies, but my "I'd like to have spell bar presets" post got none. I guess it's clear what people are most interested in
13:22.32cbreaka game they can play.
13:22.41olafskiI too don't seem to have gold issues.. don't have a lot, but I upgraded both artisans to the max they can go in NM, and bought the second stash tab + 2 extra rows so far
13:23.05nevcairielspell bar presets don't make much sense at lvl 60 anymore anyway, you don't want to lose your nephalem buff by re-specing all the time
13:23.24olafskidon't really know what else to spend money on.. gem upgrades I guess, but I very rarely use gems anyway
13:23.39nevcairielbuy item upgrades on the AH :P
13:23.48olafskileveling gear :<
13:23.56olafskiI've learned to be a cheapskate in wow
13:24.11Sintackslol
13:24.16Sintacksi sell my shit cheap
13:24.26olafskiI don't bother.. salvage or vendor =)
13:24.37Sintacksi sell shit i used for a while, because it's good.
13:24.48olafskiwithout an auction addon, making auctions is a lot of work =(
13:24.49cbreakwhat's a nephalem buff?
13:24.54Sintacksvendor magics after i have stacks of mats
13:24.58Sintackslevel 60 buff
13:25.05Sintacksfor killing elites
13:25.11Sintacksthat gives magic find
13:25.24cbreakHmm. No concern of mine at the moment
13:25.32Sintacksnope
13:25.35cbreakI don't remember my level, but it's less than 30 :)
13:26.19olafskiI found two legendaries.. even used one of them for a while
13:26.53olafskido crafting recipes start dropping in hell? or do I need to wait until inferno
13:26.54cbreakmy mage always seems to find yellow items with str or dex
13:27.12cbreakeven wizzard hats with them...
13:27.32Sintacksit's not a wizzard hat if it doesn't have str on it
13:27.32nevcairieli think the RNG should really not produce wizard-only items with strength, i always hate when that happens
13:27.44Sintacksthen it wouldn't be RNG
13:27.50Sintacksmonk weapons with int
13:27.57Sintacksor monk weapons without dex even
13:27.59nevcairieleven a RNG could have some set of rules ot function in!
13:28.00SintacksRNG is RNG
13:28.08Sintacksthen it's not RNG
13:28.13nevcairielyes it is
13:28.20Sintacksnou
13:28.24Sintacksrolls a 1000000 sided die
13:28.29SintacksIt landed on 1
13:28.36AcidWebRNG is Lord of Prime Evils.
13:28.45SintacksNo, Error 37 is
13:28.49nevcairielif i tell a RNG to produce a number between 0-100, it can't just produce 101, but its still a RNG :P
13:28.50AcidWebhaha
13:29.33Sintacksokay smartass. RNG with gear in Diablo is completely random. rules would defeat the purpose of RNG
13:29.46Sintacksand anyway, str isn't a bad stat
13:29.51nevcairielfor wizards it is
13:29.56cbreakoh, fun
13:30.02Sintacksno, it's not
13:30.03cbreakI can play if I switch to US servers
13:30.06Sintacksstr is armor
13:30.08olafskiit could still have randomly generated items within certain parameters.. would not defeat the purpose in my opinion
13:30.09Sintacksarmor keeps you from dying
13:30.11cbreakguess they do not yet have sunday afternoon
13:30.16cbreakso the servers are still alive
13:30.17Sintacksso, str is not a useless stat
13:30.29nevcairiel99% useless then!
13:30.35nevcairielany other stat would be far better
13:30.41Sintacksdepends where you are
13:30.42nevcairielwell except dex maybe :p
13:30.51Sintacksstacking straight int isn't going to do you much good in inferno
13:31.08nevcairieli dont think stacking strength will help you survive either
13:31.11Sintacksor hell for that matter...
13:31.14mikmahttp://www.diablofans.com/topic/42866-i-beat-diablo-inferno-solo/
13:31.43Sintacksguildie of mine has a retarded amount of dps, but no defence. he dies a lot more than he would if he wasn't stacking so much +damage and +int and was getting more +def and +str
13:32.01Sintacksmikma, game is easier solo (except some boss fights, just from being able to res mid fight)
13:32.15nevcairieli thought diablo was one of the fights where a group really helps
13:32.20mikmacurrently going in nightmare act 2 and i need to go with pretty much +vita gear on my barbie
13:32.21Maldiviamikma: hydra kiting, not that hard :P
13:32.22nevcairielsolo he was much harder
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13:32.48SintacksDiablo was easier solo for me than act 2 boss. whatever his name is
13:32.55nevcairielbelial
13:33.01mikmavitagems, vitagear, shield, high dps weapon, all the possible +health skills and spells
13:33.02Sintacksyeah. fuck that fight
13:33.06Maldiviaand method's 4-amn infoerno diablo kill, they exploited the shadow phase, by having people die so shadow-versions of them wouldn't spawn
13:33.18nevcairieli just did belial nm this morning on my DH, that was f'ed up
13:33.39SintacksMaldivia, they were going for world first: of course they exploited
13:33.43Sintacksas much as they possiblely could
13:34.05Sintacksanyway
13:34.06nevcairielhaving unlimited combat rezzing always confused me
13:34.08Sintackswalks away, srsly this time
13:34.23Maldivianevcairiel: well, not unlimited, 10 per person :)
13:34.32nevcairielthere really is a limited?
13:34.36nevcairielbut well, still too many
13:34.45mikmanevcairiel: unlimited? i've only been able to ress my friend once and then i couldn't do it (atleast for a while)
13:34.45Maldiviawell, after 10 all your gear is broken, and you can't do shit :)
13:34.49nevcairieloh that
13:34.57nevcairielsoft-limit :p
13:35.04Maldiviamikma: it's unlimited
13:35.38Maldiviaassuming they take the ress, if one is pending you can't ress the body
13:37.12MaldiviasintAcks: and as for exploits, really hope force armor is fixed soon
13:37.26sintAckswtf is force armor
13:37.43Maldiviawizard rune - makes you unable to take hits for more than 35% of your max health
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13:38.07sintAcksmeh
13:38.08sintAckswalks away
13:38.09Maldivialow health, that rune + enough health regen = basically unbeatable vs single target (ie bosses)
13:38.13sintAcksi'll stab the next person that highlights me
13:40.02KalrothsintAcks error?!
13:41.07Maldiviathis is force armor with low health, high regen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzyjf4R0tg
13:42.47olafskioh btw, I found some black mushroom.. is that useful or is it just a flavor item?
13:43.04Maldiviaolafski: used to make the staff to go to the hidden zone
13:43.21nevcairieli kept looking for the other items, but havent found them yet
13:43.38MaldiviaI've only found the recipe
13:43.52Maldiviafor nightmare
13:44.49olafskiah ok, good thing I kept it then
13:45.03olafskihaven't found any recipes yet
13:45.23olafskibut as I see it the recipes can even drop in Normal, right? considering there are craftable set items for lvl 20 characters
13:45.55Maldiviathe items are difficulty level specific
13:48.22olafskifor the secret level you mean?
13:48.29Maldiviayeah
13:48.39olafskiah.. I haven't really looked into that yet
13:48.54olafskithink I'll try getting to 60 first =)
14:02.06Maldiviaalso the fact that the staff will set you back 150k gold :P
14:16.05AcidWebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I43GUnZN_s4#!
14:16.56olafski150k doesn't sound like a lot
14:23.16mikmaacidweb: old
14:23.30AcidWebqq\
14:23.59mikmayes you shall, go ahead we'll be watching
14:36.00nevcairielreading the flame thread on the forums about the downtime is always fun
14:37.44cbreakup to level 6 on american server
14:37.49cbreakand the europe one is still down
14:37.59cbreakthey could really afford more than one server, can't they?
14:38.14cbreakwith all the piles of cash they earn by selling us a buggy game :/
14:38.34nevcairielwhat good are 10000 servers if there is a bug on all of them that they're trying to fix? :d
14:38.51cbreakwell, obviously the american servers are not down
14:39.17cbreak(this is obvious to me, since I played on them, you can't know it if you haven't tried it)
14:39.24bluworkworkslavei've been connected to a different server today then yesterday
14:39.38cbreakunless you check http://us.battle.net/d3/en/status
14:39.40nevcairielno single server could ever handle the load of the battle net
14:39.44bluworkworkslaveran netstat and lsof -i and got different results tody then yestereday
14:39.49bluworkworkslaveor twitter
14:39.51bluworkworkslavelol
14:39.55cbreakI am not talking about physical servers
14:40.11cbreakI am talking about not shutting down the whole region at once
14:40.36nevcairielI dont think they would do it on a sunday afternoon if they had another choice
14:40.46cbreakoh, they have many other choices
14:41.03cbreakit's just that they prefer to make us not being able to play
14:41.14cbreakto us being able to play without using their online service
14:41.18nevcairieloh thats it, they hate us :)
14:41.21cbreakfor DRM reasons
14:41.41bluworkworkslavei think it has more to with the RMAH IMHO
14:41.48cbreakthey don't care if we're unhappy as long as they earn money
14:43.16olafskiis this news? :]
14:43.34cbreakbluworkworkslave: I don't think it's related with the RMAH
14:43.39cbreakconsidering that's not launched yet
14:43.53olafskiI wouldn't either if I were blizzard.. unless the customer's being unhappy would reduce profit
14:44.00bluworkworkslavei meant the online component.
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14:44.54cbreakolafski: yeah, but if someone acts like a money grabbing asshole, why not call them that? :)
14:44.59cbreakit's not slandering if it's true.
14:45.04cbreak... I think
14:45.18olafskiI wouldn't call that slandering, no
14:45.31olafskiI also don't really resent them for it =)
14:45.55bluworkworkslavemy scone
14:45.59bluworkworkslaveis hard,.
14:46.08cbreakI resent them for taking my money and giving me an unplayable game.
14:46.21cbreaksince I paid with the expectation of getting something useful out of the deal.
14:46.36cbreakI don't think that's a very unreasonable expectation either
14:46.54bluworkworkslavewho'd you buy it off ?
14:47.15cbreakblizzard.
14:47.45bluworkworkslavethen call Billing , get them to refund it and wait for them to work these issues out
14:47.50bluworkworkslaveplay D3 again in a month
14:47.56bluworkworkslaveproblem solved !
14:48.02cbreakI kind of want to play it now.
14:48.07cbreakthat's why I bought it after all.
14:48.12cbreakand it worked yesterday!
14:48.19cbreakand on wednesday
14:48.32cbreakit'd probably had worked on thursday too if I had tried it.
14:48.35cbreakbut sunday?
14:48.43bluworkworkslaveand i want a purple and pink striped Unicorn with a pez dispenser. don't see my QQing about it :P
14:48.53cbreakit's almost as if they are orthodox jews who are opposed to lifting a finger for making hot water or something
14:49.05cbreakbluworkworkslave: buy yourself one
14:49.58cbreakbluworkworkslave: or make yourself one :)
14:50.16cbreakhttp://www.shapeways.com/tutorials/
14:50.29cbreaktheir offer sounds really cool
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15:25.06Fiskerold Stanzilla
15:25.16Stanzillayes
15:26.57cbreakStanzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8
15:32.44bluworkworkslavedoes anyone remember a blue post/stray twit post about D3 being designed not to need maintenance on a Tuesday like Wow does ?
15:33.24nevcairieli have never seen a post that claimed it did, so why would you conclude it does? :d
15:33.34karl_w_wwhy would a single player game need weekly maintenance? that's crazy talk
15:34.13Kalrothlook server maintenance on a Sunday is perfectly normal, dont hate on Blizzard for forcing a single player game online
15:34.48cbreakwhy not?
15:35.05cbreakis working on a sunday in france even legal?
15:35.34Kalrothbecause they try their best and there's a pony level that you can play when it goes only, so you shouldn't be mad at them
15:35.44Kalrothits good enough when they try
15:36.02Maldiviacbreak: if not, too bad if you get hurt on a Sunday, since no dictors will be working
15:36.16Maldiviadoctors*
15:36.40cbreakmaybe they have migrant doctors. Foreigners :)
15:37.40karl_w_wso it's only illegal to work in france on a sunday if you're french?
15:37.58Kalroththat explains why their servers still arent working
15:38.06Kalrothmaybe they should send some americans over
15:38.24karl_w_wbut americans are the ones who design the system
15:38.29Fiskernot true cbreak
15:38.32Maldiviaremote maintenance, probably why the servers went down afternoon, so americans were awake?
15:38.48Fiskerthe only holiday that everyone has to get the fuck off job is the bastille day
15:39.05cbreakkarl_w_w: I have no idea about french working law
15:39.11cbreakbut they are famous for not working
15:39.16Kalrothits more likely that the frenchies fucked it up somehow, good thing Blizzard included an offline option
15:39.18cbreak(and having strikes instead)
15:40.48karl_w_wand how many sundays do you work cbreak? :P
15:41.04cbreakmaybe 1% of them.
15:41.18cbreaknot today
15:41.27cbreaktoday I play diablo 3!
15:41.32cbreakoh, wait... no I don't
15:41.37cbreakgrumbles
15:41.56nevcairielgo play in america instead of being annoying :p
15:42.12Kalrothwhat a comeback
15:42.25Kalrothyou dont need to play diablo 3 while on a plane or on Sundays
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15:42.51karl_w_wor tuesdays
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15:43.51Kalrothsingleplayer and multiplayer wasn't good enough for Blizzard, they've moved on to .. noplayer!
15:44.12rtharperlolz
15:44.20Shirikok guys
15:44.22Shirikwe need to talk
15:44.25Shirik"Employees in their 20s may have decades of investing ahead, but right now, they are craving access to guaranteed income through their 401(k) plans."
15:44.38ShirikIf you're in your 20s EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN STOCKS, PROBABLY HIGH RISK STUFF
15:44.44Shirikyou have 40 YEARS
15:44.47rtharper...
15:44.53rtharperHave you been lobotimised?
15:44.59Fiskerwanna make out Shirik ?
15:45.03Thunder_Childno, thats Shirik
15:45.08nevcairiel40 years to pay off any debts you make from the high risk investments?
15:45.10Kalrothyes put all your money in high risk stocks, solid tactic
15:45.21Kalrothalternatively use them to wipe your ass with
15:45.59karl_w_wshoebox under the bed baby
15:46.21Shiriknevcairiel: This is a 401(k)
15:46.29nevcairieli have no idea what that means
15:46.34bluworkworkslavey put baby in shoebox karl_w_w ?
15:46.35nevcairielyour US terms are meaningless to me
15:46.36bluworkworkslavemeanie!
15:46.40Kalrothpension plan, i think
15:46.43Shirikno
15:46.49karl_w_wwhy put money in the bank to depreciate when you can put it in a shoebox under the bed and u know it cant escape
15:46.54Shirikit's like a savings account but you put your money in mutual funds instead
15:46.58rtharperlol
15:47.07Shirikand it grows tax-free
15:47.08rtharpernevcairiel: it's the same as any defined-contribution pension plan
15:47.10Kalrothits what goes first everytime a company goes bankrupt
15:47.17Shirikbut you can't withdraw from it until you get to like age 56 or something
15:47.34ShirikKalroth: Um, it's not owned by the company at all
15:47.39ShirikThey can't take from it, period
15:47.48ShirikYou own anything that you put your money into
15:48.01rtharperIt's essentially an account that one usually uses to buy an annuity at maturity
15:48.05karl_w_wi heard investing in banks is where it's at
15:48.17Shirikactually investing in banks is not a bad idea right now
15:48.34Shirik"Be greedy when others are fearful, and fearful when others are greedy" - Buffett
15:48.46Kalroth"What can you do to protect yourself? Generally, unless you really believe in your company's future, it's wise to limit how much company stock you have in your 401(k) account. "
15:49.00Shirikcompany stock
15:49.05Shirikthat's different
15:49.10Kalrothits a part of the 401k
15:49.18ShirikI have 0 shares of my company in my 401(k)
15:49.33rtharperYes, shortly to be followed by $0 given your current strategy =p
15:49.33DagmarMattress fund
15:49.48Kalrothso you'd advice high risk stocks, but you don't believe in your own company? :)
15:49.58Shirikthere's a difference between "high risk" and "stupid"
15:50.09Kalrothwhat, you work for Blizzard?
15:50.11ShirikI don't mean to put everything in one small cap that's probably going to fail
15:50.13karl_w_wbelieving in your own company is crazy talk
15:50.27rtharperhas the economic literacy to understand the term "risk"
15:50.28ShirikI mean put it into an aggressive mutual fund or something
15:50.43karl_w_wit's a lot easier to believe in a company when u dont see how it works on the inside
15:51.02rtharperkarl_w_w: kind of like religion?
15:51.07Kalrothput all your money in groupon imo
15:51.10Kalrothand facebook
15:51.23Shirikit should be interesting to see where groupon goes
15:51.32Cidefuck groupon
15:51.38Kalrothlol
15:51.43nevcairieli agree with Cide
15:51.46nevcairielalso, fuck facebook
15:51.48Kalrothgroupon isnt going anywhere but down
15:52.04Kalrothits obvious by now that it was a scam
15:52.20Shirikwell the thing is groupon was an interesting concept that google is trying to steal
15:52.22Kalrothand facebook got no value either
15:52.24karl_w_wput all your money in microsoft
15:52.31karl_w_wit's clear win 8 is going to be a smash hit
15:52.35Kalrothkarl_w_w, hardly a high risk stock
15:52.58Kalrothmicrosoft stock value is more stable than the US dollar
15:53.12karl_w_wwell yes
15:53.32DagmarIt spends more money keeping the GIant Bullshit Machine running than the US ever did
15:53.49Kalrothbuzzwords make the world go round
15:53.50olafskicbreak: error 3003 instead of 33 now.. soon(tm)? :]
15:54.01cbreakolafski: yay, progress.
15:54.06DagmarThe US Dollar would be just as stable if we spent a billion dollars every three years telling everyone how good it is
15:54.06mikmahehe yeah
15:54.06KalrothDiablo 3 got rich, multihomed interconnectedness.
15:54.10olafskimaybe the next one will be 33000033
15:54.21Shirikanyway, here's my allocation. As a 20s man. http://images.gammatester.com/pics/53024e9cc88fb1023b58ef543cebd7d6.png
15:54.26ShirikIt's a bit more aggressive than I'd recommend for most
15:54.36Shirikbut point is it has ZERO guaranteed income sources
15:54.42mikmashirik: NO!
15:54.42karl_w_wthe US would be in a better place if they took a leaf out of australia's book
15:54.54karl_w_wsell your raw materials to china
15:54.55karl_w_wgo
15:54.55Kalrothkarl_w_w, and charged $90 for every game?
15:56.27cbreakShirik: the main reason for pension funds here is that we don't have to pay income tax on the money we put on special savings accounts
15:56.44cbreak(not until later, when we withdraw that money)
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15:56.54cbreakalso, the interest is tax free as well
15:57.05Shirikjust to be clear I don't have a problem with pensions, I have a problem with having access to a 401(k) and then using it for fixed income purposes
15:57.23cbreakusing it is stupid anyway
15:57.25Shiriksorry, not "fixed income" - guaranteed income
15:57.32Shirik401(k) is tax free too
15:57.33cbreaksince when you use it, you have to pay taxes on the money
15:57.37Shirikwell sure
15:57.44karl_w_wu know we're all fucked now anyway
15:57.51karl_w_wu the old farts are retiring
15:57.53cbreakthen you could just not deposit the money in the first place
15:57.55karl_w_wall the*
15:58.13Shirikbut by the time I retire, my tax rate should be lower
15:58.24ShirikI have split my money between roth and traditional ira so only half of it counts as taxable income
15:58.34Shirikshould put me in a low bracket
15:58.46cbreak(here we're only allowed to use the money in the third pillar pension stuff when leaving the country for good, or buying a house, or getting past the age of pension, 65 years)
15:58.46karl_w_wtax evasion
15:58.51karl_w_wphones the irs
15:58.53foxlitless time evading taxes, more time removing beta tag from Minion, Shirik.
15:59.27Shirikcbreak: Where is "here" again?
15:59.32cbreakswitzerland
15:59.36karl_w_wdo they offer a reward for reporting tax evasion in the US?
15:59.45cbreaknot sure if our system is comparable to that in other countries
15:59.52Shirikthere's a difference between tax evasion and using the laws as they were meant to be used ._.
16:00.01Shirikbut to directly answer your question, yes, they do
16:00.02karl_w_wtell that to the judge
16:00.21cbreakwe have three pillars, first is what every person gets, second is paid by employer and employee, 50% each, and is mandatory
16:00.42cbreakthird pillar is voluntary and money deposited in it can be deducted from income tax
16:00.47cbreakand property tax too
16:00.55rtharpercbreak: Where do you live?
16:01.00cbreakswitzerland
16:01.01Kalrothfourth pillar is stepping on everyone you can to get to the top
16:01.07rtharpercbreak: ah, it's similar in Sweden
16:01.14cbreakno fourth pillar
16:01.22mikmacbreak: stop being so neutral
16:01.28Kalrothwhat, isnt this capitalism
16:01.35cbreakcan't help it mikma.
16:01.37rtharperstate pension, basically mandatory occupational pension, and personal pension
16:02.29Shirikback to D3
16:02.29cbreakthird pillar can be a special savings account, or some kind of insurance fund thing
16:02.31rtharperShirik: if you've got it all "figured out" (those are irony quotes, just fyi), why do you care what other people do? =p
16:02.36cbreakD3 is still down. :(
16:02.47Shirikrtharper: Because I have a serious problem with being part of a group of people that don't know wtf they're doing
16:02.49karl_w_whave u ever noticed that u never hear anything positive or negative about switzerland in the news
16:02.49mikmaserves you right, swissboy!
16:03.01rtharperhears both
16:03.02KalrothShirik, arent you American?
16:03.07karl_w_wthey're just perfectly middle-of-the-road
16:03.07rtharperCan't you tell? =p
16:03.08Shiriknot going there
16:03.11Kalrothhaha
16:03.22rtharperis also American, btw =p
16:03.27ShirikI'm also a republican
16:03.31karl_w_wmy condolences
16:03.36mckenziemclol
16:03.38cbreakwill you vote for palin?
16:03.41Shirikhell no
16:03.43rtharperlol you mean mittens
16:03.45Kalrothare you religious too?
16:03.48Shirikno
16:03.49rtharperShirik must want to vote for mittnes
16:03.51rtharpermittens*
16:03.59Shirikmy friends say I'm only fiscally conservative
16:04.02Kalrothdid you vote against the gay marriage bill
16:04.20ShirikI did not have the chance to vote, but I would have voted against the amendment (i.e., to not disallow it)
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16:04.29karl_w_wi forget, is voting mandaory in the US?
16:04.33cbreakI doubt it is
16:04.37Shirikit was a different state
16:04.41ShirikI could not vote on it
16:04.46rtharperkarl_w_w: no, not anywhere
16:05.12Kalrothit is mandatory in North Carolina if the issue relates to the bible
16:05.21Kalrothyou might be shot or hung if you dont vote for the bible
16:05.25cbreakI read an article that they even threw out a few thousand votes because their voting machines somehow failed and recorded too many votes
16:05.33rtharpercbreak: such things are quite common
16:05.34cbreakif it'd was mandatory, they'd have to redo the whole thing
16:05.40cbreakrtharper: honestly?
16:05.51Shirikcbreak: How do you think bush got elected?
16:05.55Shirik(re-elected)
16:05.57Kalroth^
16:06.00cbreakpeople loved his humor
16:06.05karl_w_wlol
16:06.06Kalrothhis what?
16:06.07nevcairielvoting machines are just the worst thing to happen to democracy
16:06.10rtharpercbreak: ballots that are for example improperly filled out are always discarded
16:06.21cbreakwell, that makes sense...
16:06.31cbreakbut you would not throw all of them just because of one improperly filled out
16:06.46cbreak(and why would a machine even allow improper filling-out?)
16:06.48karl_w_wit might seem to make sense
16:06.50nevcairielsome people do that on purpose, if you hate all candidates equally, instead of not going it may be better to vote "invalid"
16:06.55rtharperyeah
16:07.00Kalrothwhat scares me most is that if they cant make proper voting machines, how the hell does our banks not fuck their transactions up all th etime
16:07.05karl_w_wuntil u think about who is deciding which ones are filled out correctly
16:07.36cbreakhere we vote with paper, by writing stuff onto them
16:07.47cbreakworks well enough
16:07.50Kalrothits just as error prone
16:07.52nevcairielwe dont really write, its more of making X's
16:07.55DagmarThey can't make proper voting machines because the people calling the shots on how they're used tend to be _policitians_ who can't be trusted
16:08.01nevcairielbut yeah, paper and manual counting
16:08.12DagmarBank managers at least get fired when they screw up
16:08.13cbreakit's not that paper is not error prone
16:08.23cbreakbut paper is not as volatile as bits on an SD Card
16:08.37Kalrothnothing volatile about bits
16:08.40DagmarWe can get around the problem of volatility
16:08.41cbreak(and I can vote via mail :)
16:09.12KalrothATM machines doesn't have volatility issues
16:09.24DagmarWe can't get around the problem of "In this scenario, ADam, Eve, and Mallory, Mallory, Mallory, Mallory, Mallory, Mallory, Mallory, Mallory.  ...and Eve left the room hours ago."
16:09.27karl_w_watm machines?
16:09.30ShirikOregon's primaries were done via mail
16:09.32Shirikso strange
16:09.38Shirikall via mail
16:09.49Kalrothrevival of the oregon trail
16:10.08Kalrothkarl_w_w, at machines, sorry!
16:10.24karl_w_wanti tank machines? :o
16:10.44Shirikwelp, I learned something new today
16:10.45Kalrothautomatic teller machines, you got a creditcard right?
16:10.47Shirik~wiki dudeism
16:11.03karl_w_wdude
16:11.10cbreakWe have at least four sessions for voting per year, so being able to do it comfortably from home is ... comfortable :)
16:11.14Kalrothdude, you haven't watched that movie?
16:11.26Cidethe point is that "ATM machine" is redundant
16:11.40KalrothCide, which i corrected and then he asked me again
16:11.40rtharperyes
16:11.44Cideoh
16:11.47Shirikno
16:11.48Cidemissed that
16:11.50cbreakcall them AT-Machines
16:11.52Shirikan ATM Machine is the thing that makes the ATMs
16:11.58rtharperhaha
16:12.28nevcairielI dont think they have a machine that just stamps out ATMs. :p
16:12.30karl_w_wan AT machine is an anti-tank machine
16:12.41cbreak@Machine then.
16:12.43karl_w_wbecause AT stands for anti-tank
16:12.45Kalrothmake the ATMMs make the VMs, maybe there'll be less counting issues
16:12.53foxlitkarl_w_w: no u, AT is Absolute Terror.
16:13.13karl_w_ware you trying to terrify me?
16:13.16Shirika friend of mine once got a bunch of $1s out of an ATM
16:13.31Shirik(for those of you that don't live in the US: pretty much ATMs are only supposed to give out $20s)
16:13.46Shirikso he was supposed to get $60 and he got $3
16:13.58karl_w_w$20s and $50s here
16:13.59rtharper(for those of you outside the US, that's also "cashpoint" to you)
16:13.59Kalrothand i bet the bank didnt believe him
16:14.02cbreakgood that they have video surveilance
16:14.04nevcairielsometimes i wish ATMs would give out smaller bills, i mostly only get 50's
16:14.08Kalroth5s, 10s, 20s and 50s here
16:14.15karl_w_wcash machine, hole in the wall
16:14.25rtharpergets 5 10 and 20 GBP notes
16:14.27Maldiviartharper: aren't they also referred to as hole in the wall in the UK?
16:14.31Shirikactually when he called the bank, turns out he wasn't the first
16:14.31cbreakeverything below 10 is coins here.
16:14.35RessyThey only stock machines with 20s and 50s here.
16:14.37cbreakand coins are too heavy to carry a lot of
16:14.44rtharperMaldivia: umm, I think that was a trademark
16:14.46rtharperand or some marketing thing
16:14.47Shirikand it just so happened that every ATM serviced by a particular person had this problem
16:15.00Ressystole the money?
16:15.00Kalrothyeah, ATMs dont do coins (or? :)
16:15.13karl_w_wwow
16:15.24Shiriksometimes I ask how he thinks he wouldn't get caught
16:15.34foxlitshouldn't your bills be of different sizes?
16:15.34karl_w_wdidn't the guy switching out the $20 for $1 think people might not notice
16:15.46cbreakhow can you not notice that?
16:15.51karl_w_wdifferent sizes?
16:15.53cbreakare your bills so similar?
16:15.58nevcairielwe have some special ATMs inside banks sometimes that dispense coins, usually used by shop owners and whatnot to get the change they need
16:16.05foxlitkarl_w_w: different physical dimensions for different denominations.
16:16.17cbreakours have different colors :)
16:16.27nevcairielwe have colors and size
16:16.33Kalrothnevcairiel, we only got coin counters here, coins are handed out by tellers, in stacks of 10-20
16:16.36cbreakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHF_Banknotes.jpg (rainbow!)
16:16.44rtharperthey are very pretty =)
16:16.46foxlitpoint is, one would think that the ATM should be able to detect that the bills its spitting out aren't the bills it intends to spit out.
16:16.59nevcairielone would hope it validates that
16:17.08Kalrothfoxlit, it could but then it'd more expensive
16:17.16nevcairielswiss money looks odd
16:17.17Ressywikipedia doesn't show Canada's new bills yet...
16:17.30karl_w_whttp://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/3525226/2/stock-photo-3525226-australian-notes.jpg no cbreak, that's a rainbow
16:17.35Kalrothnew bills? with eskimos and moose this time?
16:17.41cbreaknevcairiel: at least it's mostly paper. I read some other countries have plastic money.
16:17.53karl_w_wplastic money in australia
16:17.59cbreakoh.
16:18.02karl_w_was if to mock modern economics
16:18.04Shirikdifferent dimensions of paper?
16:18.06RessyLasts longer.
16:18.09Shirikthat seems like it would be really annoying
16:18.12nevcairielthe euros feel like paper, but i couldnt say
16:18.14ShirikI like that everything fits cleanly together
16:18.17cbreakisn't plastic really inflexible?
16:18.18RessyCanada went with a paper/plastic blend with their new ones.
16:18.34nevcairielUS dollar is some sort of cloth fiber, isnt it
16:18.39Ressyhttp://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2011/06/20/li-100-dollar-bill.jpg
16:18.40Shiriksomething like that
16:18.55cbreaknevcairiel: I'd guess some paper/cotton composite
16:18.57Kalrothgod damnit Blizzard, a 12 year old with an linux live-CD could do a better job running their servers
16:19.01Shirikwhy can't our bills be that awesome :(
16:19.15karl_w_wew that colour
16:19.29nevcairieli have always wondered how you tell the US bills apart, if they are even the same size, do i really have to look at the amount on them?
16:19.31Ressyhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/si_bill20dollar_220.jpg
16:19.34Shirikyes nevcairiel
16:19.44nevcairielsounds complicated
16:19.46karl_w_wcbreak: it's some interesting plastic, it's hard to explain the texture i dont know of anything like it
16:19.51Shiriksounds complicated?
16:19.56Shirikthe whole "reading a number" thing?
16:20.09nevcairielours are colored, you can see it directly when looking in your wallet
16:20.12karl_w_wwaste of time
16:20.17RessyIts easier/cheaper when all bills are the same size.
16:20.24Shirikah true that's kinda annoying
16:20.27Kalrothamericans count in feet and toes and stones and gallons, similar notes are the least of their issues
16:20.31Shirikthough the 20s are easy to find
16:20.37karl_w_wlol Kalroth
16:20.39Shirikthey're quite different
16:20.46Shirikbut 1, 5, 10
16:20.49cbreakinteresting point Kalroth :)
16:21.00Ressyhttp://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/bank-note-series/polymer/
16:21.13karl_w_woh wait i do know something like it
16:21.33karl_w_wthe plastic u can write on to put it on projectors :P
16:22.06Shirikall we have is cool printing :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackofspades/4500411648/
16:23.01Shirikhowever, I did always wonder why those "20s" were printed weird (#8)
16:23.06Shirikneat
16:23.09karl_w_whttp://www.rba.gov.au/Museum/Displays/1988_onwards_polymer_currency_notes/security_features.html
16:23.38ShirikUS currency is so boring
16:24.29cbreakyou're not alone Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JPY_Banknotes.png
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16:26.02Shirikeven they have more color than us
16:26.07Shirikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDnotes.png
16:26.13ShirikAnd just think, everything used to look like that $1
16:26.49Shirikalso I've never seen that $50 before
16:26.50ShirikI want one now
16:26.58cbreakwell, at least there is some color.
16:27.07cbreak100 is the biggest you have?
16:27.22Shirikit's the biggest anyone I know uses, at least
16:28.25cbreakseems there are: $2, $500, $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, $100,000
16:28.47nevcairiel100k in one piece of paper? :d
16:29.26cbreakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_denominations_of_United_States_currency#.24100.2C000_bill
16:30.35Shirikso the $100k was never actually distributed to the public apparently
16:30.41Shirikand it's really a deposit certificate
16:30.42bluworkworkslaveamerican money is too cheap
16:30.47bluworkworkslaveflimsy
16:30.57Shirikas far as the others, they all seem like they were printed a long time ago and not today
16:31.11bluworkworkslaveNZ money is thicker and if you screw up into a ball automatically flattens itself for you
16:31.32Shirikaccording to the federal reserve "The present denominations of our currency in production are $1, $2, 5$, $10, $20, $50 and $100."
16:31.33nevcairielsounds like plastic
16:31.43cbreakI use 1k swiss franc bills once or twice a year at most
16:31.51cbreakdon't remember ever using anything bigger
16:32.16nevcairieli used the 500€ bills some times before, but its not that common
16:32.57cbreakI only do it when I want to buy something expensive :)
16:33.15nevcairieli try to avoid doing that in cash, but sometimes just have to
16:33.27ShirikUS currency is really good at not being used in vending machines
16:33.44rtharperhates all cash
16:34.05cbreakcash has nice properties
16:34.12cbreaklike being easily transferable
16:34.33cbreak(which can be a disadvantage if it gets transfered without your knowledge and intention to transfer it)
16:34.33ShirikI'm curious
16:34.41nevcairielyou mean, stolen
16:34.41Shirikoutside of the US do you guys have so much trouble with your vending machines?
16:34.42nevcairiel:p
16:34.45Maldiviartharper: agree
16:34.49nevcairielShirik: not really
16:34.50Shirikor is it because our cash is so crappy
16:34.53karl_w_wno Shirik
16:34.58rtharperUmm
16:34.58cbreakI rarely had problems
16:34.59karl_w_wyour cash is crappy
16:35.00rtharperin the UK
16:35.04cbreakmost accept only coins though
16:35.07rtharpervending machines often don't accept notes =p
16:35.15rtharperbecause we have 1 and 2 pound coins
16:35.18nevcairielmost problems i have is that they only want small bills, and i usually don't have the right size :p
16:35.22cbreakthe only machines that accept notes that I've seen were for train tickets
16:35.29Shirikwe have $1 coins that nobody uses
16:35.30karl_w_wthere are machines that take notes though
16:35.35ShirikI'm still not sure why they were even made
16:35.36nevcairielbut yeah, we also have 1€ and 2€ coins
16:35.39Ressyour vending machines have no probs taking coins or bills.
16:35.43nevcairielsmallest bill is 5€
16:36.03ShirikI think we probably have a 50% accept rate on bills
16:36.04Ressythe only problem right now is they're changing our coins out with lighter ones, and vending machines are having problems with that.
16:36.20Shirikusually you can just put the same one in again and it will work though
16:36.26nevcairielyeah the weight of the coin is quite commonly used to check its validity
16:36.35RessyShirik: not with these ones.
16:36.46karl_w_wor the conductivity
16:36.46RessyEverything is completely different, no vending machine is accepting them.
16:36.47bluworkworkslave<@Shirik> we have $1 coins that nobody uses <-----------i have one of those
16:36.49cbreakwhat else would you use? Size? Resistance? RFID? :)
16:36.54Ressyour parking meters don't even accept them yet
16:36.58bluworkworkslaveapparently they live in airport trolley hire machines
16:36.58ShirikRessy: I mean for our stuff
16:37.11Shirikbluworkworkslave: So I bought a light rail ticket with a $20
16:37.13Shirikbecause it's all I had
16:37.16Shirikit was like a $1 ticket
16:37.21Shirikthe machine gave me back 19 $1 coins
16:37.26ShirikI was like "wtf is this"
16:37.32karl_w_wlol
16:37.34Shirikand now I have all these coins I'll never use
16:37.39nevcairielwe have the same problem, machines dont usually return bills
16:37.54Shirikit does look pretty cool though
16:37.57Shirikand apparently they're not all the same
16:37.58nevcairielbut we actually  use the coins
16:38.02Shirikthey have different faces
16:38.08cbreakShirik: just buy stuff in shops that sell things for $x.99
16:38.24nevcairielyou should come to the EU, you can collect the different coins from all member countrys!
16:38.25ShirikI"m tempted to bring them to mcdonalds and buy things on the dollar menu
16:38.29karl_w_wthere are things that aren't sold for x.99?
16:38.30cbreakthen you can collect the 0.01 pieces and use them to pay something huge :)
16:38.36Shirik..
16:38.58karl_w_win australia we don't have coins smaller than 5c
16:39.04Shirikat some point I do want to get a bunch of $2s and start buying things with them
16:39.19nevcairielkarl_w_w: so its all .95 then? :d
16:39.24karl_w_wyep :P
16:39.40nevcairieli could surely do without the 1c and 2c
16:39.42Shirik(non-US people: We also have this $2 bill concept that makes no sense but we have them anyway, and nobody uses them)
16:39.50Shirikwait you have a 2 cent piece?
16:39.56nevcairielyes
16:39.58Shirikwhat is the point of that
16:40.04nevcairielwho knows
16:40.14bluworkworkslavewe has a $2 and $1 coin
16:40.17nevcairielwhats the point of 10 dollar bill, can just use 10x 1? :P
16:40.21Maldiviawe have 1 and 2 kroner coins :)
16:40.25bluworkworkslaveits one of our most commonly used bits of currency
16:40.32cbreakthe smallest we have here is 0.05 (but there are 0.01 pieces that are used as decoration. Not sure if they are still valid)
16:40.42Wobinwe used to have 1 and 2cent coins
16:40.56Wobinalso one and two dollar notes
16:41.00AcidWebIn Poland we still have valid 0.01 coins
16:41.01nevcairielwe have 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 in cents
16:41.04Wobinwow, that's going back a while
16:41.09Shirikso hang on
16:41.13Shirikyou actually don't use your 1 cent pieces?
16:41.24nevcairielwe do
16:41.27ShirikI'm pretty sure our economy would collapse if we stopped using them
16:41.40cbreakours are too expensive to make so they don't get manufactured anymore
16:41.44Shirikeverything always costs "most logical price" minus one cent
16:41.48karl_w_weverything gets rounded to 5c Shirik
16:41.51cbreakonly place they are still used are in marzipan pigs
16:41.56cbreak(for luck)
16:42.00WobinI ended up giving all of my various kroner coins to the next kroner country on my trip
16:42.04Shirikgas takes it one step further
16:42.07Wobinto buskers
16:42.12WobinI'm pretty sure they hated me for it =P
16:42.14Shirikif it should be $4.00/gallon, it's actually $3.999/gallon
16:42.20Shirikpay no mind that we don't have a 0.1 cent piece
16:42.26Maldiviathe lowest coin in denmark is 50 øre (1/2 krone), and if you pay with cash, the value is rounded off (pay by card, and you can pay like 67.89)
16:42.28karl_w_wlol
16:42.30nevcairielthats normal, same thing here
16:42.34karl_w_wyeah
16:42.43Wobinyeah, that's pretty standard
16:42.48Shirikso stupid
16:42.51Wobinit just rounds to the nearest 5c increment
16:42.52karl_w_w149.9c per litre
16:43.31karl_w_whttp://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au
16:43.46Wobinoh and anyone who doesn't use polymer notes, are silly.
16:43.49WobinSilly, I say.
16:43.51cbreakare your dollars comparable with the american ones?
16:43.55cbreakif so that's extremely cheap
16:44.14karl_w_wthey are comparable
16:44.17Wobinour dollars are slightly more than the american one I think atm
16:44.18karl_w_wbut that's per litre
16:44.20Wobinfractionally =P
16:44.35Shirikhey
16:44.36Shirikhey
16:44.41Kalrothhey listne
16:44.42Shirikour dollars are becoming more expensive
16:44.47Shirikbecause the euro is collapsing
16:44.54Shirikbecause you guys though greece was trustworthy
16:45.07Kalrothwe're done with greece over here, its back on you again
16:45.30Kalrothgreece can collapse now, it doesn't matter anymore
16:45.31cbreakI think it's funny that greece is blamed for this
16:45.48cbreakwhile I heard on the radio news some US politicians discuss about "raising the debit ceiling again"
16:45.53cbreakas if it'd be something normal
16:45.56Shirikit is normal
16:45.59cbreakyes!
16:46.02Shirik:P
16:46.10cbreakwhy the hell do you have a ceiling if you raise it all the time?
16:46.12cbreakit's pointless
16:46.26Shirikbecause we don't actually know how to pay our bills
16:46.37Shirikbut having a ceiling makes people think we know how to pay our bills
16:46.38cbreakI don't know of any country that doesn't always lend more money
16:46.57nevcairielShirik: so its a big fraud!
16:47.06Kalrothcbreak, american capitalists rode the economy like it was a drunk prostitute for 10 years, now that its collapsed they're trying to find someone to blame
16:47.09Shirikpretty much every government program is a fraud
16:47.10WobinIt's been a big fraud for a very long time now =)
16:47.20Shirikfor example, I consider social security to be a government-sponsored pyramid scheme
16:47.27Kalrothron paul for president!!!
16:47.46nevcairield3 is back up
16:47.48karl_w_wnah get the dog torturer up there
16:47.56Kalrothnevcairiel, liar
16:48.01nevcairieli r in!
16:48.17Kalrothhttp://eu.battle.net/d3/en/status lies then, figures they couldn't get that right either!
16:48.43Kalrotherror 37 ..
16:48.54Kalroththis is the worst single player game ever
16:48.55nevcairielthe whole EU is tryign to log in, try again :P
16:48.59Shirikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqUZkmO-zk ?
16:49.34Kalrothi did try, 5 times is enough for me to take a hint
16:50.08nevcairielwell i'm ingame, so, have fun here, i'm back to playing :P
16:51.38karl_w_wnevcairiel: prove it, accept my btag request :P
16:51.54nevcairielyou're in the wrong region
16:52.14karl_w_wirrelevant
16:52.33Fiskerno Shirik
16:52.36Fiskercease and desist
16:55.54olafskienter, ^v, enter.. enter, ^v, enter.. enter, ^v, enter..
16:56.38karl_w_wolafski the internet security police are going to come for you
16:56.54karl_w_wyou shouldn't have your password on your clipboard
16:56.59olafskioh noes :P
16:57.25karl_w_wsays me who copypastes his authenticator code
16:57.52olafskiyou have an authenticator application on your PC? :s
16:57.54Alram774774
16:57.59karl_w_wyeah i do
16:58.04olafskisounds useful
16:58.07karl_w_w49714738
16:58.13olafski123456
16:58.16Alramhacked
16:58.19Alrampassword changed
16:58.20Alramenjoy your ban
16:58.28karl_w_wty
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17:04.46olafskiI'm beginning to think I've been played by nevcairiel =(
17:05.58karl_w_wobviously :P
17:06.39nevcairielStanzilla can confirm, he is online in WoW and has me on realid!
17:06.51Stanzillawhat what
17:07.01Stanzillayes he is on
17:07.02nevcairielthey dont believe me i'm online in d3
17:08.27rtharperI don't believe you either =p
17:08.34olafskibut it still says bnet is down :<
17:08.35rtharperon an EU server?
17:08.38bluworkworkslavehmmm
17:08.43bluworkworkslave~d3status
17:08.43purlit has been said that d3status is http://battle.net/d3/en/status
17:08.48bluworkworkslave~d3alert
17:08.49purlhttp://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert]
17:09.08foxlit"and any online games"
17:09.15rtharperwaaaah blizzard
17:09.16olafskioh I'm in :)
17:09.17rtharperhow did you fuck it up
17:09.26rtharperpls to reboot
17:09.28nevcairielsee, no longer the only one!
17:10.52nevcairielrtharper: even jnwhiteh logged in now!
17:10.53rtharperlI'm in!
17:10.54rtharper=)
17:11.18rtharperis tomh#2832 btw
17:13.35olafskiwhoo I killed Zarhym
17:14.37Wobindid he drop anything good?
17:15.41olafskirare 1h mace
17:22.48DagmarI find it a little odd that _Stack Exchange_ is where i'm finding answers about D3 mechanics
17:24.15mikmartharper: you two playing atm?
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17:48.07bluworkworkslaveodd
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17:48.23bluworkworkslavethe redirect on the d3status isn't working from ~d3alert
17:48.46bluworkworkslave* ~d3status
17:48.49bluworkworkslavehttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/status
17:53.43Arrowmasterah damnit, nightmarish staff of herding requires the staff of herding and 200k gold
17:54.17Arrowmasterhttp://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/68220/how-do-i-get-higher-difficulty-plan-staff-of-herding
17:55.56Wobinbah
17:56.02Wobinyou have to remake it for each difficulty =\
17:57.20Arrowmasterguessing its one time use
17:58.09foxlityou're horrible at guessing.
17:58.44Arrowmasteroh its not?
17:58.48rtharpermikma: yeah
18:02.14Wobininteresting about SE
18:02.21Wobinimpressed at the quality of the answers
18:02.29Wobinalso, TIL about corpse hopping =P
18:03.12Arrowmasterso staff of herding drops from izual? im going to go farm him now
18:03.39Wobinthe recipe
18:03.55WobinYou need the mushroom, shinbone, rainbow and gem as well
18:04.25WobinBlack mushroom is in Cathedral level 1
18:04.31WobinShinbone in Leoric's Manor
18:04.41WobinRainbow in the Oasis
18:04.58Wobinand gem in...one of the frozen caverns in act 3
18:06.53Arrowmasterive got the rainbow and gem already
18:07.10bluworkworkslaveoh poop
18:07.12mikmartharper: :I
18:07.21bluworkworkslavei was looking by adrias hut for the mushroom :P
18:07.24DagmarThat area is *very hard* at level 25.
18:07.49Arrowmasterwhats the best place to start for killing izual?
18:07.49Wobinwhich area?
18:09.48WobinArrowmaster: the hellish staff is 500k and the infernal is 1mil
18:09.53Wobinso the cost ramps up as well
18:09.57Arrowmasterfigured
18:10.22Arrowmasterbut whats the best place to start at to farm izual? ive forgotten the order of stuff in act4 since its so quick
18:11.23MaldiviaArrowmaster: I would assume the falle angle quest
18:12.15Maldiviaor something like that
18:12.21Maldiviacan't remember what it's called exactly
18:12.46Maldiviathe  betrayer?
18:13.26ShirikArrowmaster: About that, would you say it's abnormally short?
18:13.36ShirikIt almost feels like things were cut out of it
18:13.55Arrowmastercompared to act2 its short but i wouldnt say its bad short
18:14.16Maldiviaact 4 is way way too short
18:14.22Arrowmasterits the finally level of the game and you are chasing down the big bad so its not like you can stop to do multiple other things
18:15.15cbreaktown portal ftw
18:15.50MaldiviaArrowmaster: izual is the 2nd part of the "Prime Evil" quest
18:16.04Arrowmasterok then i started too early
18:16.14Shirikthe only real problem I have with the game is it just "ends"
18:17.07ArrowmasterMaldivia: 2nd part of prime evil is diablo
18:17.09MaldiviaShirik: I had that feeling first time I killed the butcher... I was like, was this the end of act 1?!
18:17.49MaldiviaArrowmaster: well, 2nd of the quest line - not 2nd selectable quest start point
18:18.01MaldiviaArrowmaster: you have to cross the great span, then kill him
18:18.33Shirikguys, seriously? http://politics.slashdot.org/story/12/05/20/1744205/assange-stands-real-chance-of-election-in-australia
18:19.07Arrowmasterim lost, i need a map of act4
18:19.30Maldiviahehe
18:24.46bluworkworkslaveAnyone got links to download windows 7 from microsoft's CDN ?
18:34.00cbreakbah, still down
18:34.13cbreakdespite blizzards worthless page claiming it's up
18:34.46ShirikI'm still logged in?
18:34.55cbreakdon't know. Are you?
18:34.57ShirikI am
18:35.01Shirikpoint is, not down
18:35.10cbreakclearly down.
18:35.13cbreakI try to log in
18:35.14cbreak37
18:35.38Shirikmaybe the auth server's down and I'm lucky because I'm already authed?
18:35.44cbreakI have no idea.
18:35.54durcynmaybe you're banned
18:36.00cbreakI doubt it.
18:36.05cbreakBanned from a single player game?
18:36.11cbreakfor what? Killing NPCS?
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18:37.23Shirikcbreak: Being mean to NPCs
18:37.30cbreakthey asked for it.
18:38.14Shirikdoes this make you feel better though?
18:38.15Shirikhttp://i.imgur.com/0d0n2.jpg
18:38.36cbreaknot really
18:41.49Arrowmasterim still completely fucking lost
18:42.14mikmaarrowmaster: why?
18:42.31Arrowmasteri cant figure out where izual is in the act4 quest chain
18:42.39mikmadoesn't the quest tell you
18:42.40Arrowmasterso im just running through it on normal
18:48.15Krapshow do i access the RMT AH?
18:49.28Arrowmasterok i figured it out, its silver spire level 1 then izual
18:49.35ArrowmasterKraps: its not up yet afaik
18:54.07AcidWebFast Mortar
18:54.10AcidWebarghhh
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19:04.10foxlitAcidWeb: welcome.
19:04.21foxlitvortex waller teleport arcane enchanted meteor.
19:11.26Shirikhow did you get 5?
19:11.34Thunder_Childhe bent over
19:13.51foxlitmeteor is just an attack type, not an affix
19:14.01foxlitteleport is inherent to this mob
19:14.17foxlitso in reality it's just vortex waller teleport
19:14.39ShirikI thought meteor was an affix
19:20.08Arrowmasterit is
19:20.12Arrowmasterso is teleport
19:20.21Arrowmasterbut some mobs have them anyway without it being an affix
19:23.02ArrowmasterShirik: oh its mortar thats an affix not meteor
19:23.09Shirikoh
19:23.12Shirikthat's what I was thinking of
19:24.53Arrowmasterfoxlit: morlu incinerator? im being spammed by meteors from them right no
19:27.48foxlityes
19:28.01pompylol on the loading screen for d3 .. in hte tips theres .. "there is no cow level"
19:28.49Arrowmasterpompy: there isnt afaik, theres whimsyshire though
19:31.01Arrowmasterarcane enchanted on a bridge is evil
19:31.15Arrowmasteri cant dodge them
19:32.06foxlithell, the bridges are evil.
19:32.16pompyphasebeasts are evil!
19:32.26foxlitThey get upset at you if you try to cross them in a wrong direction
19:38.53Arrowmasterstill no staff
19:41.56Arrowmasteri think ill do nightmare one more time
19:43.34Arrowmasterzarhym drops shit loot
19:43.38pompywtf theres an achievemetn.. "Kill Bashiok using Rakanishu's Blade"
19:43.49pompyHurt not Kill
19:44.50Arrowmasterget the blade then find bashiok
19:46.45pompyan npc?
19:47.09foxlitrandom mob somewhere in act 2, iirc
19:47.56Arrowmasteryeah
19:48.06Arrowmasterin a certain zone too
19:48.40Arrowmasteri still havent even found the event to get the blade yet
19:51.16Fiskerplague, vortex waller and extra health is awesome
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20:16.36Krapsholy crap http://i.imgur.com/7EX9x.png
20:16.45pompywtf is with the "that player is offline" messages when they seem to be online
20:17.09Fiskerhow so Kraps ?
20:17.42Krapsi bought the fist thing on the AH
20:17.56Krapsdayum
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20:27.11jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/664
20:27.16jnwhitehstabs himself in the face.
20:39.53nicoli_sbut writing regexes in lua is so much easier than accepting help
20:40.10kd3yay, home sweet home after attending a wedding in middle-of-nowhere, TN
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20:43.44jnwhitehkd3: condolences
20:43.54kd3heh
20:44.17kd3nice seeing family members I haven't seen in almost a decade in some cases, but bleh at not being able to get much in the way of work done
20:44.30kd3the chainsaw-cake was pretty damn awesome, though
20:46.05kd3https://twitter.com/#!/Kaydeethree/status/204226085825675264/photo/1
20:46.32Fiskery u twitter?
20:46.36Fiskerhey jnwhiteh
20:46.58kd3I put it on facebook too, but that involves logging in to facebook and finding the damn thing
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20:52.15foxlitit bothers me greatly that there are unavoidable 3-shots in the game
20:53.30foxlitthings like the charge ability of the Opressors
20:53.53Fiskerjust be a wizard foxlit
20:54.10foxlitdoesn't seem to help, Fisker
20:54.22Fiskerjust spec the correct spect and go for regen
20:54.52mikmafisker: got any good lvl44+ barbie gear? like, weapons with tons of dps etc
20:55.13Fiskerprobably sold most of it
20:55.21Fiskerbut can go look
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20:56.14foxlitcan has 8k/0.5s?
20:57.11Silvanashas anyone ever tried using texture points in xml? <TexCoords ULx="0.80" ULy="0.25" LLx="0.20" LLy="0.25" URx="0.80" URy="0.75" LRx="0.20" LRy="0.75"/>
20:57.47Silvanasit doesnt seem to work while whit lua it does. texture:SetTexCoord(0.80,0.25,0.20,0.25,0.80,0.75,0.20,0.75)
21:03.06mikmafisker: thanks fiskie
21:03.41Fiskernp
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21:26.01mikmawhat does "flotsam" mean?
21:28.44kd3~define flotsam
21:28.44purlUse ~dict for definitions.
21:28.52kd3~dict flotsam
21:29.40mikmaheh, ok that explains it
21:30.20kd3by extension, any other useless stuff out in the open
21:30.49mikmahttp://egotastic.com/2012/05/one-word-movie-reviews-battleship/
21:31.16kd3sounds about right
21:32.22TMc51Pretty sure 'shit' would be a better 1 word review of it.
21:32.56mikmahave you seen it?
21:33.05kd3huh, looking at my steam library...
21:33.19TMc51Nope, but I've seen the previews.
21:33.20kd3I apparently have "Grand Theft Auto 3" not installed, but "Grand Theft Auto III" installed
21:33.22Arrowmasterok i have the plans for staff of herding and 2 of the 4 drops to make it, i only need the two from act1
21:33.42TMc51Thats more than enough to know that callin g it garbage would be a compliment.
21:33.42mikmatmc51: B-7
21:33.52TMc51goddamnit, you sunk my battleship
21:34.18mikma\o/
21:34.20xyphoidi keep being told that battleship is gently self-mocking
21:34.33xyphoidso i'm half-tempted just because the missouri is awesome
21:36.20mikmaRUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA, http://www.geekologie.com/2012/05/it-looks-like-you-face-is-flying-off-win.php
21:37.21Arrowmastergot the mushrooms!
21:37.24Arrowmasterone item to go
21:37.37Arrowmasterbut i seriously need to go do yard work before it gets too late
21:44.28mikmahttp://www.geekologie.com/2012/05/mommy-where-do-lego-minifig-babies-come.php
21:47.04Thunder_Childhow does the D3 AH determine starting value?
21:49.47StanzillaI think vendor price * x
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22:07.39cleverStanzilla: biggest issue i have so far is finding out the market value, so i dont wind up selling crap for 1/10th its value
22:09.17Ressyanyone else's latency just shoot up in d3 for no reason?
22:09.36Thunder_Childat this point, is not market price what you set?
22:09.56cleverThunder_Child: depends on if anybody else is selling my item
22:10.21Thunder_Childclever: but it is so few, you could buy it then relist at what you want.
22:10.28cleveryeah
22:10.56cleverbut i didnt even need to do that, i posted some stuff last night for ~1/3rd more then 'market value' and it sold before i had a chance to stand up :P
22:16.51Krapsyou have to go to the main menu to use the AH right
22:17.05cleverKraps: i believe so
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22:20.13Krapsif i port to a town and exit the game, will the portal back still be there?
22:20.56xyphoidyou mean if there are other players in the game and you rejoin them?
22:21.05xyphoidor if you resume game alone?
22:22.02Krapsalone
22:22.12xyphoidyou'll probably be in the dungeon at the last checkpoint
22:22.28xyphoidit's killed me once so far
22:23.21foxlitthe port will definitely not be there
22:23.26xyphoid(leave game in town, do AH stuff, resume game, checkpoint next to champion pack)
22:25.03xyphoidit must suck in hardcore
22:32.04foxlitmeh, I imagine people who play hardcore wouldn't be caught dead doing level-appropriate content
22:32.14bluspacecowhttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150758568
22:32.16bluspacecowis lolz
22:32.22bluspacecowzoomgg ineeeeeeeeed sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
22:32.24bluspacecowD3 coma!
22:32.31Thunder_Childforums are never lolz
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23:11.15Fiskergooddie blu
23:11.17Fiskerdamnit
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23:12.38Krapswait blu doesnt have a latency problem?
23:13.03Cideplagued vortex molten electrified spiders
23:13.16Cidegotta love the whole vortex into death 0.3 seconds later
23:16.23foxlitdoes electrified actually do damage?
23:16.29Cideas a monk yes
23:16.33CideI have to hit them to survive
23:16.41Cideand on inferno definitely
23:17.05Cidethe majority of the damage was probably from plagued/molten though
23:18.53foxlitlightning bolts always seemed to be harmless to me, but then again, no inferno
23:19.00foxlitfire chains, though. That's instant death.
23:19.03Cidesame
23:19.11Cidewhat's devilish about fire chains
23:19.17Cideis that they seem to have an AI where they surround you
23:19.22Cideto maximize the da mage
23:19.23Cidedamage
23:20.52xyphoidi quite like the d3 boss mods
23:21.07xyphoidwas kind of expecting, you know, tougher, fires bolts, etc
23:21.09Arrowmasterwhere are you leroics bones
23:21.22xyphoidbut the first yellow we ran into was like one of those charging beasts with waller
23:21.54xyphoid'okay here is a nice aisle of walls and i will charge down it' gave me the giggles
23:22.05Cidethose hurt
23:22.12Arrowmasterfirst yellow i had on hell was a mortar invuln minions
23:22.43Cidethird affix?
23:22.52Arrowmasteri dont remember
23:23.30Arrowmasterknockback
23:23.40Cidelol
23:23.49Cideusually knockback is great to get
23:23.53Cidebut that sounds pretty devilish
23:24.11CideI just now got
23:24.20Cideplagued, invulnerable minions, jailer, waller
23:24.26Cidespiders
23:24.42Maldivia<PROTECTED>
23:25.06Maldiviafire everywhere
23:26.08Cidewhat the fuck
23:26.15Cidethe main guy healed to full
23:26.21Cidewhen I ressed next to it
23:26.42Cideit was at like 5%
23:27.09Arrowmasteryeah ive seen where mobs heal to full after i die
23:27.26Maldivia<PROTECTED>
23:27.39Arrowmasteri found zarhym again
23:27.56Cidethere is no vampiric
23:28.01Cideit's at 50% now
23:28.04Arrowmasterlast time he was in act4, this time act1
23:28.05Cideand I'm reviving
23:28.14Cideand full
23:28.41CideFUCK
23:28.47ArrowmasterYES I GOT THE BONES
23:29.18Arrowmasterthe first time i ditch that stupid templar and take the enchantress instead because i wonder if hes the reason they arent showing up, THEY SHOW UP
23:29.50Cidethe followers don't have any such effects :P
23:33.10Arrowmasteri need 40k gold to make the Staff of Herding
23:33.34Arrowmasteranybody that pays gets to go with me to Whimsyshire
23:33.54Cideawesom
23:34.00Cidemanaged to run into 3 different elite packs at once
23:34.01foxlithave you considered selling all your gear? :)
23:34.04xyphoidhow far do you need to level the bs to make it
23:34.09foxlitCide: when it rains it pours
23:34.48Cideso it appears
23:35.05Arrowmasterxyphoid: i have no idea but you need the get the plans to drop from Izuma
23:35.31Maldivia<PROTECTED>
23:35.50Arrowmasteractually i already have the plans for the nightmare one
23:36.01Arrowmasteryou just need the normal one and 200k gold
23:36.14Maldiviayeah, but you loose the normal one doing that
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23:42.53CideI am so lucky
23:42.59Cidemy nephalem valor buff almost ran out
23:43.10Cideand then I found "invulnerable minions, vortex, frozen, teleporter"
23:43.14Cideezmode
23:50.08Cidefrozen, molten, arcane enchanted, horde
23:50.11Cide-_-
23:52.15Cidefuck arcane sentries
23:52.19Cidewhen they spawn pointing right at you
23:53.21foxlityou could always not stick around for them to start firing
23:53.41Cideeasier said than done in some situations!
23:54.08foxlithey, I don't see vortex or jailer or waller in that affix list
23:54.26Cidebut horde
23:54.39Cide11 arcane enchanted minions
23:55.11foxlithorde shmorde; drop Blizzard, kite everything back to Tristram
23:55.21Cidelol
23:55.23Krapswell the story took a shitty turn
23:55.25Cideit was inside leoric's manor
23:55.28Cideright at the entrance
23:55.30Cidenowhere to run!
23:56.30foxlitentrancekite
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23:56.37Cidehuh
23:56.56foxlitport in, drop nuke, port out.
23:57.05CideI'm a monk
23:57.09CideI have literally no nukes
23:57.20Cidewell, my build doesn't
23:57.25foxlit:(
23:57.30Cidemy damage dealer is sweeping wind
23:57.34Cidewhich is continuous damage
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