| 00:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 00:22.01 | Mr_Rabies | 132 error on clicking on the pet battle trainer, rad |
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| 00:24.43 | Nechckn | no pet battles for you! ;-) That bites, though... |
| 00:24.43 | Dagmar | What on earth could you need to train? |
| 00:24.50 | Dagmar | Oh _pet_ battles |
| 00:24.53 | Dagmar | Those are in now? |
| 00:26.28 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:30.13 | Dagmar | Cool |
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| 01:17.03 | TC-Work | whats the most recient, decent baldurs gate like game? |
| 01:17.18 | TC-Work | s/t b/t, b/ |
| 01:18.18 | pompy | pshh EU getting a 9 hour head start on the US.. on D3 |
| 01:27.26 | kd3 | huh - a quest bunny is hitting for spellshadow damage |
| 01:27.32 | kd3 | I don't think I've ever seen that before |
| 01:29.56 | starlon | my step Dad killed a snake with a sword today. :\ |
| 01:30.09 | starlon | I think he dinged. |
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| 02:09.39 | TC-Work | ~lart starlon |
| 02:09.39 | purl | executes killall -HUP starlon |
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| 03:12.26 | pompy | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546370_10150854394491155_509126154_12044375_670865154_n.jpg |
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| 03:15.55 | TC-Work | he should have been higher, that way the text would not have been as smushed as it is |
| 03:17.49 | pompy | lol true |
| 03:18.03 | karl_w_w | shopped |
| 03:18.08 | pompy | cant tell what 360 game that is |
| 03:19.27 | TC-Work | baseball game |
| 03:19.30 | TC-Work | of some sort |
| 03:19.34 | TC-Work | has the mlb logo |
| 03:29.43 | Fisker | bow chica wow wow |
| 03:31.18 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 03:31.27 | karl_w_w | hey Shirik |
| 03:31.31 | Shirik | hey karl_w_w |
| 03:31.32 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 03:31.36 | Fisker | i can't sleep |
| 03:31.40 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker |
| 03:31.46 | TC-Work | i want to play games at work :( |
| 03:31.52 | Shirik | Fisker, it's the perfect story, so they say (a hero leading the way) |
| 03:32.17 | karl_w_w | TC-Work: mind games? |
| 03:32.35 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: i already do that |
| 03:32.39 | karl_w_w | steal peoples' lunch out of the fridge, then when they go to get it put it on their desk |
| 03:32.54 | TC-Work | far too many people here to do that |
| 03:33.50 | Shirik | karl_w_w: Awesome |
| 03:34.04 | Shirik | Unfortunately pretty much my entire department is unhealthy and goes out to eat every day |
| 03:35.09 | Adys | If any of you have been using the g+ "ignore all" link in notifications thinking it meant "dismiss all", read this: https://plus.google.com/116805285176805120365/posts/Hxb7BvxGvQo |
| 03:37.06 | Shirik | If any of you have been using g+ |
| 03:42.20 | karl_w_w | ^ http://www.nvo.com/isleepless/aboutseekingprofessionalhelp/ |
| 03:51.52 | Adys | During Microsoft BUILD conference, the company announced they are now enabling an XMPP interface to connect to their MSN / Live network: Messenger Connect is now “Live Connect” – new APIs for SkyDrive and Hotmail Calendar. More details expected on: dev.live.com. |
| 03:51.55 | Adys | WAT |
| 03:52.53 | Fisker | everything just changed Adys ? |
| 03:53.21 | Adys | well "just" is relative |
| 03:53.26 | Adys | this is half a year old |
| 03:53.53 | Adys | but this is great news |
| 03:55.17 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://imgur.com/12lxD |
| 03:55.30 | Adys | lol |
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| 03:59.01 | pompy | nicee |
| 03:59.16 | Arrowmaster | wtf http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Policy-Watch/Ohio-Seeks-to-Regulate-Internet-Cafes/ba-p/3063 |
| 04:01.10 | Arrowmaster | ok it seems there are placing calling themselves 'internet cafes' that are really gambling parlors, first ive heard of that |
| 04:02.36 | pompy | hmm |
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| 04:11.20 | kd3 | hahahaha |
| 04:11.36 | kd3 | on an escort, an npc gets shot: "Help me up, <name>! I... I took an arrow in the knee..." |
| 04:16.14 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:17.31 | Shirik | kd3: MoP I assume |
| 04:17.46 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 04:17.48 | kd3 | yah, in the zone that just opened up in the last patch, krasarang wilds |
| 04:17.53 | kd3 | yeeeees? |
| 04:17.56 | Fisker | whats so funny about that? |
| 04:18.20 | kd3 | was wondering where they were going to make a reference to it, since we all knew it was coming. didn't quite expect it the way it happened |
| 04:18.43 | Fisker | what is it a reference to? |
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| 04:19.11 | Shirik | stabs Fisker |
| 04:19.24 | Fisker | sup? |
| 04:22.01 | Fisker | y u stab? |
| 04:22.29 | karl_w_w | <Arrowmaster> wtf http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Policy-Watch/Ohio-Seeks-to-Regulate-Internet-Cafes/ba-p/3063 <- the author looks like the fat guy from shaun of the dead/hot fuzz/paul |
| 04:22.40 | Shirik | wait |
| 04:22.47 | Shirik | shaun of the dead is something other than a TCG card? |
| 04:22.55 | Arrowmaster | ...... |
| 04:22.59 | karl_w_w | o.O |
| 04:23.00 | Trela | Holy fuck Shirik. |
| 04:23.27 | Shirik | Shawn of the Dead, 5, Horde (Outland-183R) | Ally—Undead Warrior, 5 [Melee] / 3 Health | When this ally attacks, you may put an ally from target opponent’s graveyard into play under your control. |
| 04:23.28 | Shirik | is all I know |
| 04:24.11 | Trela | Most amazing zombie movie that makes fun of all other zombie movies ever. :( Maybe not most amazing, but damn good. |
| 04:24.20 | Shirik | I don't really watch movies |
| 04:24.29 | karl_w_w | that is becoming apparent |
| 04:24.58 | Shirik | that card is so much more awesome now |
| 04:25.12 | xyphoid | so is shawn of the dead in WoW as a movie reference, which has made its way to the tcg |
| 04:25.19 | xyphoid | or is it a new character in the tcg |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | well that card is very old |
| 04:25.41 | karl_w_w | <Shirik> that card is so much more awesome now <- and you so much less :P |
| 04:25.46 | Shirik | :< |
| 04:26.15 | karl_w_w | shaun of the dead was released in 2004 |
| 04:26.24 | Seerah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfDUv3ZjH2k |
| 04:26.28 | Trela | Shirik: Basically in the movie the main character's friend becomes a zombie. After the mass eradication of the zombies he keeps his zombie friend around as a pet to play video games with. |
| 04:26.31 | karl_w_w | obviously they could both be punning off dawn of the dead |
| 04:27.11 | kd3 | heh, and down goes lost isles. good thing I'm in a safe area |
| 04:27.15 | kd3 | is tired of logging in dead |
| 04:27.56 | bluspacecow | i fixed ma headphones! |
| 04:28.03 | Seerah | Trela: why did you give away the end of the movie? |
| 04:28.16 | Trela | Seerah: You thought he was really going to watch it? |
| 04:28.22 | Seerah | maybe |
| 04:28.25 | Seerah | :p |
| 04:28.27 | karl_w_w | is there a database of tcg cards? |
| 04:28.38 | Shirik | I use the OCR |
| 04:28.42 | bluspacecow | Seerah: hai2u |
| 04:28.45 | Shirik | it's not the easiest thing to read though |
| 04:28.51 | Trela | Even the card's ability matches the movie. XD |
| 04:28.56 | Shirik | http://www.cryptozoic.com/downloads/files/wow_ocr_120409.pdf |
| 04:28.58 | bluspacecow | Red Dwarf season 8 go go |
| 04:29.01 | kd3 | yay |
| 04:29.05 | Shirik | Trela: Power, not ability! |
| 04:29.12 | Seerah | kd3: at least slow fall doesn't require a feather anymore.... if you zone in fast enough and have quick reflexes (I'm not usually lucky enough on either accounts) |
| 04:29.17 | Trela | Shirik: I don't own or play the game! |
| 04:29.32 | Seerah | bluspacecow: hai2u2~ |
| 04:29.34 | Seerah | ! |
| 04:29.43 | kd3 | heh. pandaria is a no-fly zone anyway, no worries about that |
| 04:29.49 | kd3 | and I think they finally fixed that this build |
| 04:30.32 | Seerah | yeah, I was thinking of my habit of logging out while flying when in SW |
| 04:31.17 | Shirik | Trela: It's ok, players can't get it straight either |
| 04:32.10 | karl_w_w | the card was released 3 years after the movie |
| 04:32.40 | Shirik | I wasn't saying it was before the movie |
| 04:32.54 | Shirik | just responding to (21:25:28) (xyphoid) or is it a new character in the tcg |
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| 04:37.52 | Adys | I just found the most amazing condiment for pasta and I have to import it from romania. |
| 04:38.11 | Kaylin | is it illegal drugs? |
| 04:38.16 | Adys | something like that |
| 04:38.27 | karl_w_w | legal drugs? |
| 04:38.35 | Adys | you'll never know |
| 04:38.47 | karl_w_w | that's what you think |
| 04:38.59 | Adys | well to be fair it is a white-ish powder. |
| 04:39.17 | karl_w_w | this is a video of me: http://www.takethislollipop.com/ |
| 04:39.20 | kd3 | it's cocaine! |
| 04:39.58 | karl_w_w | speed |
| 04:41.09 | Jammer | can't use that without facebook account? :o |
| 04:42.33 | karl_w_w | we live in a connected world Jamash |
| 04:42.36 | karl_w_w | Jammer* |
| 04:50.21 | Jamash | THOU HAST PINGED ME |
| 04:50.28 | Jamash | *hath |
| 04:50.31 | Jamash | *HATH |
| 04:51.12 | Jamash | smites karl_w_w with his magma hammer. |
| 04:54.41 | Shirik | hi Jamash |
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| 04:56.43 | znf | What's with the romanian condiment? |
| 04:57.08 | pompy | Adys: ^ hes from romania. |
| 04:57.58 | Thunder_Child | it's a white powder for pasta according to Adys |
| 04:58.28 | znf | As far as I know, we don't have any unique condiment in the country, so I wonder what is that you're thinking of :P |
| 04:59.00 | Thunder_Child | it's Adys, who the hell knows. |
| 05:06.22 | znf | pfft, Adys went silent |
| 05:06.24 | znf | no fun for me :( |
| 05:12.14 | karl_w_w | maybe it's pure msg |
| 05:19.03 | Dagmar | Client is a little crashy tonight |
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| 05:29.21 | pompy | Dagmar: yeah since the patch. |
| 05:30.56 | Jamash | hi Shirik |
| 05:31.21 | Jamash | I can't log in to the beta :( |
| 05:32.22 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/221604-mists-of-pandaria-beta-maintenance-4-26-12/ servers goin down in 8.5 hrs |
| 05:33.34 | Dagmar | Okay, that saves me the trouble of scanning for Kennedys |
| 05:33.35 | pompy | its to disable the pet battle system |
| 05:33.39 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/221598-pet-battles-temporarily-disabled/ |
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| 05:57.10 | Adys | znf: ? |
| 05:57.49 | Adys | znf: it's a special kind of vegetable powder, I used some back in france but it wasn't as good |
| 06:07.43 | Fisker | so samsung is going to make the 4th nexus too |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker | which a timing that may just mean quad core A15's |
| 06:08.07 | Fisker | with* |
| 06:08.32 | Dagmar | Well, they make some damn nice hardware |
| 06:08.45 | Dagmar | I just got the Galaxy S 2 |
| 06:09.03 | Dagmar | I'm giving Sprint probably until the end of the month before I root it sideways |
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| 06:11.09 | clever | i'm trying to detect things like crafting, and acurately detect exactly what the mats are, in and out |
| 06:11.49 | clever | my current method, is to just wait 30 frames after events like BAG_UPDATE |
| 06:12.00 | clever | but that tends to catch several actions in bulk |
| 06:12.25 | Fisker | should've gotten SGS 3 Dagmar |
| 06:12.53 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 06:13.03 | Fisker | why not? |
| 06:13.06 | Dagmar | If I were going to throw a lot of money at the problem I'd have gotten a Razr |
| 06:13.30 | Dagmar | The S2 is pretty similar tho |
| 06:13.38 | Dagmar | They're both basically a shiny black slab |
| 06:14.11 | Dagmar | It's practically a smaller version of my tablet |
| 06:16.36 | Fisker | looking forward to see battery lifetime and performance with the SGS3 |
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| 06:16.59 | Fisker | won't reach razr maxx levels of battery lifetime but it would be fun to see how close it gets |
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| 06:18.49 | Thunder_Child | the S3 supposedly outperforms the prime |
| 06:18.57 | Thunder_Child | s/tp/t p/ |
| 06:19.10 | Fisker | yeah i saw that already |
| 06:19.44 | Fisker | and i'm not sure if that benchmark does proper graphing |
| 06:19.56 | Fisker | but looks like it is "twice" the performance of the Galaxy Nexus |
| 06:19.58 | Fisker | which is sick |
| 06:20.28 | Thunder_Child | but it's wrong, it should be more i think, didnt it say it was a dual core, but samsung said the actual thing is a quad core |
| 06:20.38 | Fisker | idk |
| 06:20.43 | Fisker | and not sure if it's just n00bs |
| 06:20.57 | Fisker | but wikipedia does list the 4212 as the exynos quad |
| 06:21.12 | Fisker | but maybe it's just because of the benchmark leak and the announcement that it's quadcore that they did that |
| 06:21.21 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/25/samsung-announces-1-4ghz-exynos-4-quad-as-basis-for-galaxy-s3/ |
| 06:21.22 | Fisker | should look at the history |
| 06:21.44 | Fisker | Exynos 4212[8] or Exynos 4 Quad[9] (previously known as the 4412) |
| 06:22.09 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 06:22.17 | Fisker | that's definitely because of the benchmark leak then |
| 06:22.23 | Fisker | since it wasn't like that prior to today |
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| 06:25.09 | clever | is there any easy way to measure the mats going into a crafting spell, or should i just keep watching the item count in the bags? |
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| 06:49.48 | pompy | http://www.prowler-pro.com/images/witcher2.html damn |
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| 07:06.31 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4768476853?page=2#22 |
| 07:06.36 | bluspacecow | that's why beta's crashing ? |
| 07:06.38 | bluspacecow | oh geeze |
| 07:11.31 | pompy | how would he know what they forgot to add? |
| 07:11.32 | pompy | lol |
| 07:12.14 | bluspacecow | unless he had access to the code |
| 07:12.45 | pompy | which wouldnt be a good thing lol |
| 07:12.52 | Alram | its called decompiling |
| 07:12.56 | Alram | which some people did |
| 07:13.06 | Alram | and fixed the crash themselves because they were getting fed up with it |
| 07:13.34 | pompy | thats quite against teh tos |
| 07:13.44 | Alram | too bad nobody actually cares |
| 07:14.19 | clever | you probly dont even need to decompile to see its a null check |
| 07:14.34 | bluspacecow | right |
| 07:14.35 | clever | just looking at the crash report built into windows should tell you that |
| 07:14.45 | bluspacecow | simple to fix you think ? |
| 07:15.00 | clever | would depend on why its null |
| 07:15.04 | Alram | its more simple than you think |
| 07:15.12 | bluspacecow | or will they need to go back through the code to make sure there's no where else that may cause a null pointer |
| 07:15.12 | clever | and what the pointer actualy does |
| 07:15.23 | clever | Alram: if you just ignore it when its null, worse stuff may happen |
| 07:15.52 | Alram | like what |
| 07:15.57 | pompy | its decompiled into assembly |
| 07:16.02 | clever | cant tell without actualy looking at the code |
| 07:16.19 | clever | and just bare assembly is missing all the comments and variable names that explain what its actualy doing |
| 07:16.28 | Alram | in any case nothing terrible has happened to the people using it yet |
| 07:16.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.cracked.com/article_18595_6-slacker-behaviors-that-science-says-are-good-you.html |
| 07:17.03 | clever | until you know what the pointer and function actualy did, you have no real way to know what side-effects you may cause |
| 07:17.06 | pompy | thats ok, they are releasing the fix tomorrow more than likely |
| 07:17.34 | bluspacecow | fix it , check for other instances of null pointers , go through QA….. |
| 07:17.37 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/221604-mists-of-pandaria-beta-maintenance-4-26-12/ |
| 07:19.41 | Alram | QA, bluspacecow? |
| 07:19.43 | Alram | dont be silly |
| 07:22.33 | pompy | they are disabling the pet battle system already |
| 07:30.09 | pompy | whaaaaa |
| 07:30.10 | pompy | http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/04/25/blizzard-launches-battle-net-item-restoration-service/ |
| 07:30.21 | pompy | cd is 30 days |
| 07:30.24 | kd3 | it's just so GMs don't have to do it |
| 07:30.28 | pompy | yeah |
| 07:32.49 | pompy | should be like 2 or 3 times per every 30 days! |
| 07:33.27 | znf | should be every 14 days, tbh |
| 07:33.34 | pompy | yup |
| 07:33.39 | znf | there's gonna be a lot of nutcases |
| 07:33.50 | znf | also, what happens if you delete two items in the same time? :o |
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| 07:34.08 | pompy | u can restore both |
| 07:34.26 | pompy | u can restore however many just once a month |
| 07:35.12 | znf | Ah, I see |
| 07:35.20 | znf | oh, well, never needed to restore items myself |
| 07:35.40 | znf | just had 800 potions being lost in mails one time (expired), but that was pretty much it |
| 07:36.03 | pompy | yeah i had 4 boe pets expired in the mail the other day but the gm wouldnt restore it.. wut an ass! |
| 07:36.05 | pompy | hehe |
| 07:36.41 | pompy | like i wasnt asking for tailoring cloth to be restored! it was high valued pets! |
| 07:36.56 | pompy | he gave me a pooor excuse anyway |
| 07:37.00 | znf | what was the excuse? |
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| 07:40.51 | znf | So... what's this deal with SWTORUI? |
| 07:40.56 | znf | Do they allow addons or what the hell? |
| 07:41.43 | pompy | znf: http://www.wowace.com/paste/5208/ |
| 07:42.13 | znf | pompy, open a web ticket, stop using the in-game feature |
| 07:42.19 | kd3 | here's what the top post at the swtorui link has to say... "Given that currently Bioware only allows the sharing of customize layouts we don’t have all of our usual features enabled yet. We will be enabling the rest of them as they become appropriate." |
| 07:42.28 | bluspacecow | hai2u kd3 |
| 07:42.33 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 07:42.47 | znf | In 99% of the cases you get shit GMs that just have copy/paste answers for you, pompy. |
| 07:43.00 | znf | kd3, damn it, I only read the first 2 paragraphs and they were getting boring. |
| 07:43.08 | kd3 | qq |
| 07:43.44 | znf | So... that whole shit is just an XML of how the default UI elements are positioned? |
| 07:44.06 | pompy | znf: idk if it is the page or what, but that c/p didnt have line breaks or some shit |
| 07:44.12 | pompy | it put everything on one lineeeeee |
| 07:44.53 | znf | pompy, I was reffering to the GMs answer |
| 07:45.00 | pompy | yup yup |
| 07:45.16 | znf | Looks like he didn't read the ticket at all. Just re-open it from the web interface and mention 'MAIL' and 'EXPIRED' |
| 07:45.17 | znf | :P |
| 07:45.26 | pompy | heh good idea |
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| 07:46.06 | znf | I swear to god, as much as I didn't want to believe it, they do have some sort of prioritization system for tickets based on keywords. |
| 07:46.12 | pompy | dunno if expired mail is part of the item restoration process (kinda hope it is), but if it is, he better not tell me "use the item restoration service feature" |
| 07:46.12 | pompy | lol |
| 07:46.28 | znf | If you slap "URGENT" in the ticket, they answer in like 5 minutes max... |
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| 07:46.36 | kd3 | of course they do... there are a few keywords that get put in the priority queue |
| 07:46.43 | kd3 | "stuck" for instance |
| 07:47.05 | znf | Isn't there like a "perfect" unstuck feature these days? |
| 07:47.08 | pompy | yeah |
| 07:47.17 | pompy | teleports u to nearest gy |
| 07:47.24 | znf | First it uses your heartstone, then teleports you to GY |
| 07:47.28 | pompy | yeah |
| 07:47.35 | pompy | hearthstone* ;p |
| 07:47.52 | znf | w/e, it's 10 am here and I've been up all night, I have a lame excuse and I'm using it |
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| 07:54.18 | pnorman | blames it on a bad IRC client |
| 07:54.44 | znf | blames it on alt+f4/ctrl+q |
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| 08:07.49 | pompy | looks like the furthest the item restore goes back to is january 30th |
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| 08:16.13 | znf | pompy, :-| |
| 08:16.16 | znf | I have no items to restore! :( |
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| 08:16.55 | Fisker- | pretty amazing pompy |
| 08:17.00 | Fisker- | given that it has usually been <2 months |
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| 08:17.09 | Fisker- | infact it's more 6 weeks now than 2 months |
| 08:17.16 | znf | Fiskers a Fisker- |
| 08:17.23 | Fisker- | but maybe the new service doesn't care how it was lost |
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| 08:17.53 | Fisker- | does this also replace the "I got hacked and want my gear restored"-procedured? |
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| 08:18.20 | Fisker- | znf or is it only a "I'm an idiot and deleted all my stuff derp" |
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| 08:18.30 | Fisker- | how did znf get there? |
| 08:18.35 | znf | I followed you here. |
| 08:19.59 | pompy | How will I receive my restoration?Restored items will be sent to your in-game mailbox. Items that were sold to a vendor will be mailed cash on delivery for their sale amount. |
| 08:20.13 | znf | Yup. |
| 08:20.20 | pompy | When will I receive the restoration for my disenchanted items?Restorations for disenchanted items will need to be reviewed by Customer Support. A ticket will be automatically submitted through the web form and the restoration will be delivered to your in-game mailbox when the review is complete. The amount of time the review takes will depend on the number of tickets in our queue. |
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| 08:21.07 | pompy | woah bro |
| 08:21.23 | znf | Someone did a Fisker- |
| 08:28.38 | Fisker- | oh doh |
| 08:28.45 | Fisker- | i was cleaning up my gmail |
| 08:28.53 | Fisker- | and i removed a lot of useless labels |
| 08:28.58 | Fisker- | now i have e-mails not in my inbox |
| 08:29.02 | Fisker- | or labeled anything |
| 08:29.05 | Fisker- | they're just there |
| 08:29.08 | Fisker- | damnit :( |
| 08:29.22 | Fisker- | Change Newsletter Settings |
| 08:29.25 | Fisker- | Object reference not set to an instance of an object. |
| 08:29.26 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:29.29 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 08:29.40 | Fisker- | amateurs :( |
| 08:32.02 | zenzio | which newsletter? |
| 08:32.55 | Fisker- | play.com |
| 08:33.57 | Fisker- | doing some spring cleaning on my gmail |
| 08:34.10 | Fisker- | deleted like 30000 e-mails at the moment |
| 08:34.23 | zenzio | and that does not include spam? |
| 08:34.27 | Fisker- | nope |
| 08:34.34 | zenzio | that's a lot of mail |
| 08:34.49 | Fisker- | used to be a moderator on mmoc :D |
| 08:35.12 | Fisker- | 27.000 of the emails were reported posts |
| 08:35.18 | pompy | lol |
| 08:35.26 | Fisker- | or in other words a huge spamming network opportunity |
| 08:35.30 | Fisker- | but i'm not a jerk |
| 08:38.13 | Maldivia | ... |
| 08:38.13 | znf | A MMOC mod? Poor soul :( |
| 08:38.13 | zenzio | which forum(s)? |
| 08:38.13 | Fisker- | all |
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| 12:43.31 | Ketho | ~seen Laotseu |
| 12:43.38 | purl | laotseu <n=laotseu@80.73.248.178> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 895d 2h 20m 24s ago, saying: '.c'. |
| 12:44.59 | neutronimity | .__. |
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| 14:02.09 | Arrowmaster | i predict this will be a good arc http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20120426 |
| 14:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | Hodor! |
| 14:06.33 | airtonix | hurrrduurr |
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| 14:26.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2012/04/25/the-godfather-does-college/ |
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| 14:31.47 | mikma | haste: http://i.imgur.com/sLbvN.jpg |
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| 15:18.40 | Shirik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dating-fails-dating-fails-meanwhile-in-san-francisco.png |
| 15:25.27 | Dagmar | Makes no sense |
| 15:25.42 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 15:27.29 | bluspacecow | http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/26/first-gigabit-wi-fi-routers-ready-to-launch/ |
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| 15:34.55 | Shirik | why? |
| 15:35.33 | Shirik | (@ bluspacecow) |
| 15:35.41 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 15:35.45 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with faster wifi? |
| 15:35.50 | Shirik | why |
| 15:36.00 | bluspacecow | i thought it would be lolz for peeps in here |
| 15:36.02 | Shirik | You do not answer "why" with "why not" |
| 15:36.03 | bluspacecow | did you lolz ? |
| 15:36.13 | Shirik | no, I headdesked |
| 15:36.18 | nevcairiel | why? because its faster |
| 15:36.20 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 15:36.37 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4768627229#16 |
| 15:36.39 | bluspacecow | wot how ? |
| 15:37.00 | Shirik | bluspacecow: Didn't you know that's how the pacific works? |
| 15:37.03 | Shirik | We actually operate in a time loop |
| 15:37.21 | bluspacecow | PDT is PST during daylight savings time isn't it ? |
| 15:37.29 | Shirik | that's why all the tech companies are on the west coast and technology improves so quickly |
| 15:37.45 | Shirik | yes :P I'm not sure what he's smoking |
| 15:38.42 | Ressy | Probably nothing. Schools are bad, and don't teach this anymore. |
| 15:40.12 | karl_w_w | schools teach that? |
| 15:40.25 | karl_w_w | my school never taught me that |
| 15:40.40 | Ressy | Apparently kids are just dumber these days, and should be teaching it. |
| 15:40.51 | karl_w_w | do people have no capability to find things out themselves these days? :P |
| 15:41.02 | Ressy | Karl.. Visit Tech Support on a Tuesday. |
| 15:41.12 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 15:41.34 | Ressy | Especially an extended maintenance (ie patch) tuesday. |
| 15:41.39 | bluspacecow | y my server down ? "its maitaince dummy" WHY U IMMA GO CANCEL MA ACCT @$$DFDSFSDFS |
| 15:41.43 | Ressy | By the end of the day, you'll wanna shoot yourself in the head. |
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| 15:46.37 | kd3 | hm, so anything happen with beta maint? |
| 15:47.01 | bluspacecow | 6.46 am PDT |
| 15:47.19 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 15:47.20 | bluspacecow | no |
| 15:47.20 | kd3 | it's 8:47 over there atm |
| 15:47.24 | bluspacecow | i suck at time zones :D |
| 15:47.57 | bluspacecow | isn't that ironic :P |
| 15:48.01 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: just google "time in irvine" :P |
| 15:48.25 | bluspacecow | *googles time in fisker by mistake* |
| 15:48.40 | Stanzilla | ~fiskertime |
| 15:48.49 | Stanzilla | damn, I thought we had that |
| 15:49.24 | bluspacecow | i made him swallow a watch :D |
| 15:51.12 | Thunder_Child | is that all uoi made him swallow? |
| 15:51.19 | Thunder_Child | s/uoi/you/ |
| 15:51.27 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 15:51.44 | Stanzilla | where is the universal fisker time trigger :( |
| 15:51.48 | Stanzilla | we had that, I swear! |
| 15:51.52 | Torhal|work | bluspacecow: Is this your porn name? |
| 15:52.06 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 15:52.11 | kd3 | ~uft |
| 15:52.18 | kd3 | no? |
| 15:52.19 | kd3 | hm |
| 15:52.20 | Stanzilla | that does not work |
| 15:52.43 | Cairenn1 | ~ugt |
| 15:52.43 | purl | methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 15:53.27 | Stanzilla | I found it via google |
| 15:53.37 | Stanzilla | purl: uft is Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 15:53.37 | purl | okay, Stanzilla |
| 15:53.53 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 15:54.00 | Stanzilla | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/20071202.html.gz |
| 15:54.02 | Stanzilla | from 2007 |
| 15:54.06 | Torhal|work | thinks Stanzilla should now be hung, drawn, and quartered. |
| 15:54.06 | Stanzilla | damn, so long ago :( |
| 15:54.15 | nevcairiel | i think we're all around way too long |
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| 15:58.42 | Torhal|work | Cairenn1: The number is puzzling. |
| 15:59.01 | Cairenn1 | I'm currently on the system over at my parents' house. |
| 15:59.08 | Torhal|work | Aaah |
| 15:59.24 | Cairenn1 | When I go home again later on this afternoon, I'll sign in there, as well |
| 15:59.44 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.48 | durcyn | &c |
| 16:00.03 | Stanzilla | hey durcyn |
| 16:00.05 | Stanzilla | how are you |
| 16:00.17 | bluspacecow | wait there's 2 Cairenns ? |
| 16:00.21 | Cairenn1 | No, don't want to ghost, want both logged on, so I don't miss anything from one place to the other |
| 16:00.34 | Shirik | Cairenn1 needs a BNC |
| 16:00.35 | durcyn | hello Stanzilla. |
| 16:00.38 | bluspacecow | can i call you thing 2 ? |
| 16:00.43 | Cairenn1 | lol |
| 16:01.13 | Torhal|work | bluspacecow: Next thing you know, we'll be talking to Cairenn6 |
| 16:01.46 | Torhal|work | dolby: When did you perfect your cloning techniques? |
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| 16:04.01 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 16:04.33 | bluspacecow | whats that type of web service where you feed a page a partial URL and it auto generates a bunch of them from x to y number |
| 16:04.59 | bluspacecow | eg you give it picture[1-10] and it generates a page of links of picture1.picutre2,picture3 etc etc |
| 16:05.05 | foxlit | www.forloop.com |
| 16:10.12 | airtonix | paginator? |
| 16:11.21 | Jamash | bash? |
| 16:12.02 | Jamash | perl? |
| 16:12.43 | Maldivia | javascript? |
| 16:15.07 | kd3 | ugh, wth? http://i.imgur.com/eZh3O.gif |
| 16:15.49 | alestane | That creates a surprisingly effective 3D implication. |
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| 16:16.48 | Cairenn1 | ^^ |
| 16:18.47 | Jamash | it's called wiggle stereoscopy |
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| 16:26.31 | bluspacecow | fuskering its called |
| 16:26.42 | bluspacecow | but i haven't found one that works with .MPQ links |
| 16:28.38 | airtonix | bluspacecow: you kinda mad? |
| 16:29.07 | bluspacecow | insane |
| 16:32.14 | Arrowmaster | i need more discipline regen on my DH so i can speed run SK faster |
| 16:32.48 | Stanzilla | http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/meh.ro9433.gif |
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| 16:37.37 | Arrowmaster | people probably think im maphacking, i keep running cath4 and going directly from the entrance to the exit |
| 16:38.52 | Stanzilla | how |
| 16:38.53 | Stanzilla | you cheater |
| 16:39.28 | Arrowmaster | i think ive just learned the dungeon generators paterns |
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| 16:39.54 | Unkle | station |
| 16:40.01 | Cairenn1 | train |
| 16:40.22 | Unkle | way station |
| 16:41.30 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: you would hate me in d3 right now, im speed running SK and i keep running a direct path from cath4 entrance to exit |
| 16:41.54 | Unkle | Yeah, pretty much. I like to suck all the marrow out of each area. |
| 16:42.13 | Arrowmaster | im just going for a quick 5k xp |
| 16:43.22 | Unkle | I'm not feeling much urgency to level in D3 at the moment. 'Cause you know, little over 2 weeks to launch and I've leveled everything multiple times since october. |
| 16:43.45 | Arrowmaster | i just want to get the last of the achievements |
| 16:44.02 | Arrowmaster | and ive got work this weekend so i might not get to play much then |
| 16:44.16 | Unkle | I got beta max once before. And I just don't seem to have enough /time/ for everything right now. :/ |
| 16:44.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.37 | bluspacecow | i made a red dwarf reference in a thread and no body got it |
| 16:45.39 | bluspacecow | or cared |
| 16:45.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:45.55 | foxlit | everyone secretly ignored you. |
| 16:46.22 | Dagmar | urge to kill... rising. |
| 16:47.12 | Unkle | Dagmar: So you've moved from "Condition Red" to "Condition Slightly Redder"? |
| 16:47.15 | kd3 | more than usual? |
| 16:47.17 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 16:47.28 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: the overachiever achievement really isn't that great :P |
| 16:48.03 | Dagmar | $manager_type submitted a firewall request with no concrete information, puts it in the wrong queue entirely, I sort it out as best I can and deploy the rules, close the ticket |
| 16:48.37 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: i never got it in previous patches because i never got life saver |
| 16:48.38 | Dagmar | $manager_type then reopens the ticket, and is upset that his nonsensical request wasn't resolved by psychics. |
| 16:49.39 | Dagmar | $manager_type confronts me in email about it and I tell him point blank it wound up being wrong because he didn't actually explain what he was trying to do or why. |
| 16:49.50 | Dagmar | He then COMPLAINS to my boss. |
| 16:50.05 | Unkle | Dagmar: I have a system for dealing with that sort of thing. I got tell my manager that another manager is wasting my time and would she please take him off my hands before I leave a corpse? |
| 16:50.08 | Dagmar | ...in addition to sending me an incredibly condescending and insulting email about it. |
| 16:50.17 | Dagmar | In conclusion, fuck his service ticket. |
| 16:51.05 | Unkle | I have a reputation at work as the guy who will tell you what they really think. Which means people who are being stupid tend to go to someone else. |
| 16:51.06 | Arrowmaster | cath2 and cath4 done without a wrong turn |
| 16:51.06 | Dagmar | He thinks he's being cute by jumping into an accusatory role. |
| 16:51.10 | Arrowmaster | this is crazy |
| 16:51.23 | Dagmar | Unkle: I generally tell people they don't want to know what I really think. |
| 16:51.23 | Arrowmaster | i seriously broke the dungeon generator |
| 16:51.38 | Dagmar | ...and in this case, it's a manager that's stupid. |
| 16:52.06 | Dagmar | He put this request into the wrong queue entirely, and by now he should know which queues and groups it should have been sent to. |
| 16:52.14 | Dagmar | Neither of which were my group. |
| 16:52.37 | Dagmar | Gods I can't wait for OpenDNS to screw up again and start breaking AD authentication. |
| 16:52.43 | Unkle | Dagmar: Mostly people don't. Last night someone asked me a question that an honest answer would have taken a long time to explain as they lacked the background to understand. I said "You've just asked me to give you all of Wikipedia in 25 words or less. What do you really want to know?" |
| 16:52.55 | Dagmar | Hohoh |
| 16:53.11 | Dagmar | Unkle: In those cases people have learned to be wary of me if I have a whiteboard nearby. |
| 16:53.28 | Dagmar | I *will* explain the entire thing, in detail, with diagrams, sometimes using both hands. |
| 16:53.42 | Dagmar | It unsettles them that I can draw on a whiteboard with both hands at once. |
| 16:54.12 | Unkle | Yeah, Sometimes I just say "Do you want me to fix it, or do you want me to tell you why it's broken?" And then they want to know why it's broken I usually end up saying "User error." |
| 16:55.35 | Unkle | I have occasionally said "'Cause you're doing to wrong." Or "That's the stupid way." But I have to be careful. I don't need another visit from the HR Director. |
| 17:00.37 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: I had Iriel die for me earlier in the beta to get it, and during open beta, I had a secondary account I used :P |
| 17:00.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:01.00 | Arrowmaster | a friend and i traded deaths during open for it |
| 17:01.17 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother to get it |
| 17:01.41 | nevcairiel | its one of those things where you basically cheat to get it anyway, so it doesnt feel worth doing |
| 17:01.48 | nevcairiel | especially since the points reset anyway :p |
| 17:01.53 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 17:02.07 | Maldivia | I just wanted the overachiever during open beta weekend :P |
| 17:02.09 | Maldivia | just for kicks |
| 17:02.32 | nevcairiel | there will be hundreds of achievements to complete in two weeks |
| 17:02.39 | Maldivia | I know |
| 17:03.03 | Maldivia | but this weekend I'll be trying something else instead :P |
| 17:03.21 | nevcairiel | I'll try to actually do something productive this weekend |
| 17:03.27 | nevcairiel | last week, it didnt go too well on that front |
| 17:03.40 | Maldivia | well, I got GW2 beta acccess - so no productivity for me this wekeend :P |
| 17:04.11 | nevcairiel | i need to finish some things so people dont bug me when d3 launches |
| 17:04.21 | nevcairiel | preparation is key! |
| 17:04.21 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 17:04.31 | Maldivia | ok, I'll bug you every 30 minutes on the 15th then! |
| 17:04.58 | nevcairiel | i work on the 15th anyway, at least i'll go to work and see how long i can sit in the chair without running home |
| 17:05.40 | Maldivia | well, I'll be taking it slow the first time through anyway - want to see/enjoy the story... and then hit nightmare and skip all dialogs :P |
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| 17:05.54 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 17:06.03 | nevcairiel | yeah, going to enjoy the story too |
| 17:06.06 | Maldivia | and hopefully don't die horribly |
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| 17:06.40 | Maldivia | I really don't want to see "... was slain by Skeleton" |
| 17:06.44 | nevcairiel | still have to figure out if i'll just level alone or find someone on the same speed to team up, but most likely it'll hard to match progress |
| 17:07.08 | nevcairiel | can do that after the story enjoyment :p |
| 17:07.11 | Dagmar | Good thing it's fairly forgiving about that |
| 17:07.17 | Maldivia | hmm, is thursday (the 17th) a holiday for you as well? |
| 17:07.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:07.26 | nevcairiel | and i have the 18th off |
| 17:07.29 | Maldivia | same here |
| 17:07.30 | nevcairiel | so thats a bonus! |
| 17:07.58 | Maldivia | wasn't sure which contries observed that holiday |
| 17:08.54 | nevcairiel | are you going to play on EU or US region? |
| 17:09.03 | Maldivia | EU |
| 17:09.24 | Maldivia | well, both |
| 17:09.27 | Maldivia | but mainly EU |
| 17:09.35 | nevcairiel | i figured you might go US because apparently your WoW account is US |
| 17:09.50 | Maldivia | well, have both EU and US wow account :P |
| 17:09.55 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:10.22 | Maldivia | that is, *crosses fingers* until Blizzard announces global play for WoW with MoP release |
| 17:10.47 | nevcairiel | i would love real global play, for both WoW and D3 |
| 17:10.54 | nevcairiel | no switching regions, just one region |
| 17:10.59 | Unkle | "I followed the directions exactly and it doesn't work!" Well, if you had followed the directions exactly, it would have worked, so obviously you didn't. |
| 17:11.30 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: just a single battle.net friends-list region would go a loooong way |
| 17:11.36 | nevcairiel | true |
| 17:11.57 | nevcairiel | but being able to play with US and EU friends would be a even bigger bonus! |
| 17:12.05 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 17:12.18 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 17:12.28 | Maldivia | it's so annoying |
| 17:12.37 | airtonix | hey Unkle, you know what happens when people stop coming to your for things that are your job? |
| 17:12.51 | Unkle | I go get a better job. |
| 17:12.52 | airtonix | you start to look expensive |
| 17:12.59 | Dagmar | You have a nice, quiet day at work and get things done? |
| 17:13.08 | airtonix | yet you have nothing to do |
| 17:13.18 | airtonix | because all your "work" goes to other people |
| 17:13.34 | Dagmar | That means you're a manager. |
| 17:13.44 | airtonix | you'd want to hope so by then |
| 17:14.14 | Unkle | I have plenty to do. My "job" actually consists of 3 different "jobs" that got mushed together as a cost-saving measure. I have plenty of work, really. |
| 17:15.02 | airtonix | just saying, if people are too scared to come to you, two things start happening: they do it wrong and break shit thus causing your company to look shit... or |
| 17:15.11 | airtonix | you start looking useless |
| 17:15.26 | airtonix | becuase they worked out they didn't need you |
| 17:15.38 | Unkle | Your advice, unsought, is noted. |
| 17:15.39 | Maldivia | speaking of work... got almost nothing done today, thanks to glassfish |
| 17:15.41 | Dagmar | Suuuure they did |
| 17:16.05 | Dagmar | I am still explaining DNS to people on a weekly basis |
| 17:16.13 | airtonix | Dagmar: the best approach is the octoboard comedian artist |
| 17:16.37 | airtonix | baffle them with humour |
| 17:16.37 | Unkle | Dagmar: That actually doesn't bother me much. People who want to learn I'm happy to teach. |
| 17:16.48 | Maldivia | Dagmar: the phone book approach doesn't work? |
| 17:16.50 | Dagmar | Pithy things like "No, that won't resolve correctly until you talk to the registrar and have them grant authoritative status for the zone to our nameservers." |
| 17:16.55 | Unkle | People who just yell at me "X web site is down, fix it" - not so much. |
| 17:17.26 | airtonix | Unkle: you should start looking for jobs in startups |
| 17:17.31 | airtonix | small 10 people orgs |
| 17:17.38 | Dagmar | ...and more entertaining phrases like "If I make the change you are requesting now, while we're still not auth for the zone, email to the domain will work internally, but nowhere outside of our network" |
| 17:17.41 | airtonix | alot more fun |
| 17:18.15 | Dagmar | My favorite is when we're still getting things set up to handle someone's email through Exchange, and they tell their current mail hosting provider to turn off mail handling. |
| 17:18.23 | Maldivia | Dagmar: and you know who gets the shitstorm for the mail being down afterwards :P |
| 17:18.25 | airtonix | derp |
| 17:18.34 | Dagmar | ...and then they want to know why "our" email is broken. |
| 17:18.47 | Unkle | airtonix: I did that for a long time. I like the start up environment, as long as it is one where there is some funding. :) |
| 17:18.57 | airtonix | yep |
| 17:19.12 | Dagmar | At least *some* of the people are starting to pay attention when I am deliberately vague and ominous. |
| 17:19.34 | Maldivia | Dagmar: but is the right "some" ? |
| 17:19.47 | airtonix | Maldivia: the janitor is important |
| 17:19.48 | Dagmar | "What you are planning on doing is subtly wrong because it violates RFC, and while it might work *now*, when it *does* break the result will be a fantasically large mess." |
| 17:20.12 | Dagmar | Little things like CNAMES pointing out of zone to another group's nameservers. |
| 17:20.29 | Dagmar | Apparently some nameserver now very rightly throw those out. |
| 17:20.37 | airtonix | Maldivia: you can draw correlations of the happiness of your co-workers with how clean your toilets are |
| 17:20.52 | airtonix | and how little shit there is on the fans |
| 17:21.01 | Dagmar | Maldivia: It is with every group except the people managing network-wide authentication |
| 17:21.42 | Dagmar | They're currently trying to silo all the address records involved with that in AD alone. |
| 17:21.54 | Unkle | Dagmar: Ahh, someone took the easy way out. That always comes back to bite them in the ass later. |
| 17:21.59 | Dagmar | ...which means our main nameservers are handing out horizontal referrals. |
| 17:22.13 | Maldivia | Dagmar: hmm... and how many "thanks" / "thank you" do you get per day? |
| 17:22.53 | Dagmar | ...which means that since we use OpenDNS, all it takes is for OpenDNS to screw up their whitelists again and start giving out that cool 67.x.x.x address that points to a site to tell people the hostname they typed into their browser doesn't exist, and... |
| 17:22.57 | airtonix | i'm sure he gets the consideration he bargained for |
| 17:23.02 | Dagmar | WHEE! Random AD failures all across the network. |
| 17:23.47 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Generally I get them from lots of people. Usually very confused people trying to find someone to make thing X happen and they don't know who does it. |
| 17:24.00 | Maldivia | Dagmar: I've never understood that... well, yes, I get it, they can puts ads on that page, but still... it's just SO SO annoying |
| 17:24.10 | Dagmar | I didn't notice any ads on the page |
| 17:24.13 | Dagmar | It's just to help confused people. |
| 17:24.24 | Unkle | There's this fact of human interaction; as long as you're always right, and always critical to success you can be the biggest asshole in creation. But the first time you're wrong - you're fucked. |
| 17:24.44 | Dagmar | ...but with the AD addresses all silo'd up where OpenDNS can't query it, this is an ongoing risk. |
| 17:24.57 | Dagmar | I'm right about 98% of the time. |
| 17:25.02 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not even a jerk about it. |
| 17:25.10 | Maldivia | and the remaining 2% you fake? |
| 17:25.21 | Unkle | Dagmar: Your university doesn't use its own DNS servers? |
| 17:25.26 | durcyn | Maldivia: zone "COM" { type delegation-only; }; |
| 17:25.29 | Dagmar | No the remaining 2% of the time I'm generally pretty pissed at myself |
| 17:25.35 | Dagmar | Unkle: we do. |
| 17:25.36 | durcyn | and verisign can burn in hell |
| 17:25.52 | Dagmar | Honest mistakes from other people I'll tolerate. |
| 17:26.40 | Dagmar | From my POV I don't really have an excuse for mistakes, because i've been solving these problems for so long it's pretty likely a mistake I'll have made before. |
| 17:26.58 | Dagmar | Might have been ten years back, but still. Learn from your mistakes or die. |
| 17:27.37 | Unkle | Yeah, humans aen't expert systems; death is not really a learning opportunity. |
| 17:29.45 | Dagmar | I think perhaps you misunderstand me. |
| 17:30.00 | Dagmar | The only reason we get from one day to the next is because we managed to not get ourselves killed. |
| 17:30.22 | Unkle | No, I understood you, I was making a related, but not the same, point. |
| 17:30.22 | Dagmar | Lots of things can be fatal. Even minor things. |
| 17:30.53 | Dagmar | Any of these thigns can lead to thoughts like "Oh, that truck will stop" |
| 17:34.49 | airtonix | given a sufficiently long enough timeline, everyones survivability trickles down to zero |
| 17:35.36 | foxlit | a sufficiently long enough, eh? |
| 17:35.59 | airtonix | i'm sorry are you the gestapo? |
| 17:36.10 | Dagmar | I intent to see how long I can push that one. |
| 17:36.11 | foxlit | we're revoking your English license. |
| 17:36.17 | Dagmar | s/intent/indend/ |
| 17:36.34 | airtonix | foxlit: but i'm french |
| 17:36.43 | airtonix | so it's ok |
| 17:36.45 | Dagmar | One of these days I'll learn to type. |
| 17:36.48 | airtonix | relax |
| 17:36.55 | Dagmar | goes off on a quest for more caffiene. |
| 17:38.52 | Dagmar | Actually, screw it. |
| 17:39.04 | Dagmar | forwards $obnoxious_manager's email to HR. |
| 17:39.22 | Dagmar | I'm done rolling over for bitches here. |
| 17:39.57 | Dagmar | If this guy wants to play a politics game, it's high time I demonstrated that I take the _high ground_ by not doing so. |
| 17:40.03 | Dagmar | time to get low and mean. |
| 17:40.33 | airtonix | rols tape from something something something |
| 17:40.49 | airtonix | dude with chainsaw for hand? |
| 17:40.52 | airtonix | which movie? |
| 17:41.03 | Dagmar | Evil Dead 2. |
| 17:41.07 | airtonix | oh YESSSSSSS |
| 17:41.15 | airtonix | best movie ever |
| 17:41.16 | Dagmar | No wait, Return of the Evil Dead. |
| 17:41.37 | airtonix | you know i read imdb for that |
| 17:41.39 | Unkle | Evil Dead remake in thw works too. |
| 17:41.44 | Dagmar | Seriously this guy has made some accusations in this email that he had no business making. |
| 17:41.54 | Dagmar | He's not my manager. |
| 17:42.00 | airtonix | and had a feeling of betrayl when the director was read |
| 17:42.35 | Dagmar | If he wants to get pissy about the fact that I don't magically know what crazy crap they're up to over there, I'll just point out that he has produced exactly no documentation explaining it, and use that as a wedge with HR> |
| 17:44.32 | airtonix | HR is the kind that say "Oh hoho, but do we really need a twelve chapter book detailing his intentions before you do anything?" |
| 17:44.55 | airtonix | as if to say writing two paragraphs is so odious |
| 17:45.14 | airtonix | and that breaking a femur in football would be more prerrable |
| 17:45.20 | Dagmar | Actually, they will side with me. |
| 17:45.31 | Dagmar | Of this I am very sure. |
| 17:45.38 | Dagmar | ...and it has nothing to do with technical matters. |
| 17:45.50 | Dagmar | You're not allowed to go chewing people out who are *not yours*. |
| 17:45.59 | Dagmar | It's really as simple as that. |
| 17:46.32 | Dagmar | The chubby little punter is diddling his ego by trying to bully me. |
| 17:46.57 | airtonix | is he new? |
| 17:47.00 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 17:47.12 | airtonix | to computers i mean |
| 17:47.23 | starlon | turtle powah |
| 17:47.27 | Dagmar | No, he's just... how shall I say it... "not an engineer". |
| 17:47.29 | airtonix | oh shit so this is those things you call a keyboard |
| 17:48.24 | Dagmar | He doesn't know specifically how traffic routes around this network because basically, no one documents it, and he's covering up for this by being an ass when one of his requests to another department requires that he knows it. |
| 17:48.30 | Unkle | Like Scotty in Star Trek IV? "How quaint." |
| 17:49.58 | Cairenn1 | "hello computer" |
| 17:50.26 | Dagmar | hehe that was a great sccene |
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| 17:51.00 | Cairenn1 | 'how do we know that he isn't the guy that invented it in the first place?" |
| 17:51.24 | Unkle | Cairenn1: :D |
| 17:51.32 | Dagmar | *Exactly* |
| 17:52.13 | Cairenn1 | shines up her geek badge |
| 17:52.22 | starlon | lol |
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| 17:53.15 | Unkle | That film, set with any other cast and told as a "straight" up SF flick would have flopped. Make it Star Trek? WIN! |
| 17:53.26 | Cairenn1 | yep |
| 17:53.40 | mikma | you know what's better? |
| 17:53.42 | mikma | star trek porn |
| 17:53.51 | Cairenn1 | no? |
| 17:53.55 | Cairenn1 | just no? |
| 17:53.55 | mikma | yes. |
| 17:53.58 | Dagmar | No. |
| 17:53.59 | mikma | plain yes. |
| 17:53.59 | Maldivia | mikma: you mean the reboot ? |
| 17:54.03 | Unkle | I mean, Scotty has a line… "Cap'n , there be whales here!" - AND IT"S WAS AWESOME. |
| 17:54.31 | Cairenn1 | 'just a damn minute' <== when Spoke finally figured out how to swear properly |
| 17:54.38 | Cairenn1 | Spock |
| 17:54.38 | Unkle | BAH. I need more caffeine so I don't change my mind mid-sentence about structure and hit enter befoe fixing agreement. |
| 18:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | I still love Spot the cat |
| 18:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | Even if my own cat needs filleting. |
| 18:04.28 | Maldivia | .. and for some reason that reminded me about the scene where Data is measuring the time it take for water to boil when looking and not looking at it... |
| 18:16.28 | Cairenn1 | Lopeppeppy: I wonder if Joey adopted Spot the cat? |
| 18:16.40 | Cairenn1 | After all, he had Pat the dog |
| 18:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | I thought that was Pat the Bunny. |
| 18:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | is confused... |
| 18:26.38 | Cairenn1 | (Joey Tribiony, Friends) |
| 18:26.52 | Cairenn1 | The big white cermanic dog |
| 18:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, never seen any of Friends. |
| 18:27.02 | Cairenn1 | ceramic* |
| 18:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | I was hoping it was a white Germanic dog. |
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| 18:34.42 | TC-Work | hmm...i just got a torchlight 2 pre-order email....quite ballsy doing it this close to the D3 release. |
| 18:35.46 | durcyn | not only are they trying to pre-empt the scheduling, they're selling it for $20 |
| 18:35.49 | znf | TC-Work, they need an excuse when it will fail? |
| 18:36.02 | TC-Work | znf: who said anything about an excuse? |
| 18:36.06 | durcyn | TC2's probably the better game overall though =P |
| 18:36.20 | TC-Work | durcyn: and you get into the neverwinter closed beta |
| 18:44.18 | Unkle | *sigh* Apparently I /didn't/ install SP1 for my Windows Vista VM. |
| 18:50.07 | Maldivia | ... and why would you have a VM with Vista... |
| 18:51.10 | Unkle | Maldivia: I have to write documentation for multiple O/S. Vista still has a large install base. So when I'm doing docs for how to use our VPN or Wi-Fi, or setting up an e-mail client, I have to cover all the bases. |
| 18:51.25 | Maldivia | ah |
| 18:51.33 | Unkle | Except for Linux, since we don't "officially" support it in any capacity. |
| 18:53.04 | Unkle | Which is silly, since it's popular and we have a Comp Sci department that uses it. |
| 19:01.13 | AcidWeb | Anybody know if there is any API call that return _localised_ build name? |
| 19:02.24 | foxlit | the who now? |
| 19:03.04 | Maldivia | what build name? |
| 19:03.27 | AcidWeb | Talent tree names. |
| 19:03.39 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 19:03.49 | Maldivia | yes there is |
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| 19:08.15 | Fisker | man |
| 19:08.43 | Fisker | last time i write do-release-upgrade -d in UBANTOO LOL |
| 19:09.32 | durcyn | you're just full of bad ideas |
| 19:10.06 | Fisker | i didn't get it durcyn |
| 19:10.23 | Fisker | grub just went insane |
| 19:10.23 | Fisker | seemed alright in the configuration |
| 19:10.30 | Fisker | but just LOL NO PARTITION |
| 19:10.37 | Fisker | then i tried reinstalling grub |
| 19:10.40 | Fisker | then it was "file not found" |
| 19:10.54 | Fisker | turns out that "reinstalling" meant deleting a ton of vital files from the boot partition |
| 19:13.54 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:13.55 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 19:14.05 | durcyn | ubuntu's always handled bootloaders and kernels in the shittiest way possible |
| 19:14.22 | durcyn | give kernel EFI stub |
| 19:16.07 | AcidWeb | Maldivia: OK. Right you can use GetTalentTabInfo() to get that names but that is not very convenient as i need array with all localised talent tree names not only 3 of current player class. |
| 19:16.19 | Maldivia | Ahh |
| 19:16.57 | Maldivia | well, to my knowledge, you can only get the info for you and for people you inspect |
| 19:16.59 | AcidWeb | Ok. So i dont miss anything then ;p |
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| 19:17.40 | AcidWeb | Maybe talent api changes in MoP will change something. |
| 19:18.17 | Fisker | never |
| 19:18.48 | AcidWeb | give Fisker a cookie |
| 19:19.15 | Unkle | sort of funny: http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/internet-memes-intercontinental-stereotypes.jpg |
| 19:25.11 | Maldivia | AcidWeb: well, you could "cheat", and read the rank from the various Mastery spells, since they list the specialization |
| 19:26.26 | AcidWeb | I will just wait for MoP api. I will need rewrite arena talent detection from scratch anyway :-) |
| 19:26.57 | Maldivia | well, in that case ,you're inspecting anyway, so you can get the names :P |
| 19:27.18 | AcidWeb | Yes my team. |
| 19:27.28 | AcidWeb | But i cant inspect enemies ;p |
| 19:28.01 | AcidWeb | Currently i just use manually translated list. |
| 19:28.23 | Maldivia | should be rather easy to detect though |
| 19:28.26 | Maldivia | from spells used |
| 19:28.35 | AcidWeb | But Im searching for more elegant solution. |
| 19:28.39 | AcidWeb | Sure. |
| 19:28.49 | AcidWeb | Detecting is simple. |
| 19:29.02 | AcidWeb | Only array with spell used -> build is pain |
| 19:29.09 | AcidWeb | But after that... no problem. |
| 19:30.04 | AcidWeb | Shadowed had nice algorithm for that in Arena Historian. |
| 19:30.09 | AcidWeb | I reused it in REFlex. |
| 19:31.44 | Maldivia | and in MoP it should be even simpler :P |
| 19:31.52 | AcidWeb | Yup. |
| 19:32.09 | Maldivia | you see fireball, and it can only be a fire mage :P |
| 19:32.25 | Maldivia | ohh wait |
| 19:32.27 | Maldivia | nevermin |
| 19:32.47 | Maldivia | ohh yeah, fireball is fire-specific, it's frostfire bolt that's multi-spec |
| 19:32.56 | AcidWeb | Also less inspecting code. |
| 19:33.27 | AcidWeb | Currently to check somebody main build you need check all trees and find one with most used points. |
| 19:34.04 | AcidWeb | I guess that MoP will have one call to do that work. |
| 19:34.07 | Maldivia | yeah, well - that's easy :) |
| 19:34.32 | Maldivia | if level < 70, then tree with any points, else tree with > 30 points |
| 19:35.37 | AcidWeb | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=J9sbaBwV That is part of arena build detection table. |
| 19:36.05 | AcidWeb | As you can see right side is currently handled by local translation table. |
| 19:36.18 | Maldivia | why are you looking up by name= |
| 19:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, cool, this spam mail tells me I can order Lunessa online! |
| 19:36.36 | AcidWeb | And i hope that i could replace that with some fancy call in MoP |
| 19:36.47 | AcidWeb | And drop local translation of build names. |
| 19:37.12 | Maldivia | AcidWeb: why have the table with the name of the spell, instead of just the spellId ? |
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| 19:38.15 | AcidWeb | Hmm |
| 19:38.19 | AcidWeb | I dont remember :D |
| 19:38.39 | Maldivia | I'm assuming you're using the combat log to detect - and it has the spellId as well |
| 19:39.40 | AcidWeb | Seriously i write that so long ago i dont remember why i used names. |
| 19:39.51 | AcidWeb | There was some reason... |
| 19:40.37 | Maldivia | well, names are more error prone... not that there really are any naming clashes between classes though |
| 19:41.46 | AcidWeb | I need check that again when i will update this to MoP. |
| 19:46.52 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 19:46.52 | purl | i heard framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 19:55.56 | TC-Work | interesting, the 296.10 nvidia drivers are using D3 for it's install background |
| 19:56.30 | Maldivia | well, fitting that a beta game is background for beta-grade drivers |
| 20:00.03 | Fisker | whoops Maldivia |
| 20:00.09 | Fisker | i just made a mess in your pants |
| 20:01.14 | TC-Work | Maldivia: it's not beta for the Quadro series. |
| 20:01.24 | Maldivia | I said beta-grade |
| 20:01.41 | Maldivia | I've never had as many issues with their drivers, as with 296.10 |
| 20:01.46 | Dagmar | Wake me when video overlays work properly again |
| 20:02.24 | Dagmar | ...by which before any pedants can jump in I mean the video doesn't bloody flicker all the time |
| 20:04.58 | kd3 | I uh... http://i.imgur.com/QbOt2.jpg |
| 20:05.02 | kd3 | no pool for you? |
| 20:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | Very secure location there. |
| 20:06.24 | Fisker | i'd like to rent all of your deposit boxes, infact let me rent the entire room |
| 20:09.00 | TC-Work | the pool is outside the vault Fisker |
| 20:15.04 | Maldivia | TC-Work: with the 296.10 drivers, if I play any videos, after a few minutes, my screen looks similar to this : http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4135/img9b.jpg |
| 20:15.24 | kd3 | eek |
| 20:16.02 | zenzelezz | only with videos? |
| 20:16.24 | zenzelezz | I had some very bad artifacting once when my videocard's fan died |
| 20:16.37 | Maldivia | well, I noticed it when using VLC, and youtube etc, and then reverted to previous driver version, and no issue at all |
| 20:16.44 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: and it's a known issue, and they haven't fixed it yet |
| 20:17.21 | zenzelezz | that's... kind of good at least |
| 20:18.21 | Maldivia | well, last I heard, they were aware if the issue, but haven't been able to reproduce it is in their setup, but a lot of reports on their forums about the issue :P |
| 20:22.02 | Arrowmaster | im still using the 290.10 linux drivers because the 295.x has been plagued with problems |
| 20:22.43 | mikma | [wobin]: http://www.break.com/index/the-amazing-beer-mile-2321287 |
| 20:24.57 | Dagmar | I wound up going all the way back to 275.33 IIRC |
| 20:25.38 | Dagmar | Any video playback (including embedded YT videos because they use the drivers for accel) would seem to show frames where the bottom two lines were streaked almost all the way up the image |
| 20:26.19 | Dagmar | The only significant problem is that with that driver, Skyrim performance is crap |
| 20:27.10 | Dagmar | These long-standing oddities are something nVidia needs to crack a whip on before they start being considered no better than ATI |
| 20:27.43 | Dagmar | ...although I suspect the problems are hardware-vendor caused |
| 20:28.41 | zenzelezz | not driver related I think, but I seemed to experience videos on youtube randomly moving a few centimeters down and to the right sometimes |
| 20:29.39 | Maldivia | that's just flash :P |
| 20:30.22 | zenzelezz | probably, but it started (and stopped) without warning |
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| 20:36.57 | TC-Work | Maldivia: you running Quadro or Geforce? |
| 20:37.45 | Maldivia | GF |
| 20:38.30 | Dagmar | Does he look like he's made of money? |
| 20:39.03 | Maldivia | well, I have a quadro at work :P |
| 20:39.25 | Dagmar | Ahhh... best when other people are footing the bill |
| 20:39.57 | Dagmar | Screw mipmapping shortcuts... just have the card render the entire image with brutal accuracy, irrespective of speed |
| 20:41.16 | TC-Work | Dagmar: even if you are made of money you might not want to use a Quadro, i wouldnt for any of my gaming rigs. |
| 20:41.45 | Dagmar | If I were made of money I'd use one |
| 20:41.48 | Dagmar | Actually, I'd use four. |
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| 20:42.09 | Dagmar | Chain enough of them together and I'm pretty sure the penalty you pay for visual exactness evaporates |
| 20:42.24 | TC-Work | 4 680's > 4 QUadro 6K's for gaming |
| 20:42.50 | Dagmar | In either case FPS would be above 60. |
| 20:42.55 | TC-Work | despited the fact that you only have 6gb of vram instead of 24gb |
| 20:42.57 | Dagmar | I'd take the prettier set |
| 20:42.59 | TC-Work | despite* |
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| 21:39.25 | TC-Work | http://www.runicgamesfansite.com/showwiki.php?title=Torchlight+II+FAQ#Why+didnt+they+release+it+before+Diablo+3+is+released+and+crushes+their+company |
| 21:45.12 | AcidWeb | "This project was not approved because: |
| 21:45.12 | AcidWeb | This appears to be an unauthorized fan update" |
| 21:45.14 | AcidWeb | argh. |
| 21:45.30 | AcidWeb | Jaliborc: ping |
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| 21:49.24 | Unkle | Ahh.. Google drive. More free stuff for selling my sould and privacy to the MACHINE! |
| 21:52.22 | TC-Work | you have a soul Unkle? |
| 21:53.02 | Unkle | Somewhat tarnished, dendted ans scratched… but more or less I have one the same way everyone else does or doesn't. |
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| 22:00.56 | Unkle | Wow. 100GB for $4.99/month pretty sweet deal. |
| 22:01.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.24 | Unkle | Google drive pricing. I suppose I could load it up with porn, but that seems … wasteful. |
| 22:03.02 | TC-Work | foxlit: only ups your box to 25g |
| 22:04.16 | Unkle | And they offer up to 16TB… So, like enough room for all my game installs - IN THE CLOUD! (lol) |
| 22:05.04 | foxlit | selling storage is... weird. |
| 22:05.16 | foxlit | or at least storage unqualified by bandwidth |
| 22:06.46 | Unkle | Yeah, sort of. Data services have been in the "selling storage" business for a long time though. Pretty much since commercial access to the 'net was a thing. Like… how much space you get with your ISP account for email or for web space or ftp. |
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| 22:07.11 | Cairenn | still doesn't understand the whole 'cloud' thing .... given how many networks have been hacked over the last while, I don't see how people are all 'oooh, this is awesome!" |
| 22:07.38 | foxlit | there's a slight difference between your networks and their networks. |
| 22:07.41 | Cairenn | if you put it on the web, someone can get it if they really want to |
| 22:07.49 | TC-Work | same goes for your home computer |
| 22:07.55 | TC-Work | it's "on the web" |
| 22:08.08 | foxlit | I don't buy that statement. It should be possible to build perfectly secure systems. |
| 22:08.19 | Unkle | "The Cloud" isn't a new idea. It's just a new customer-centric view of ideas that have been being worked on/tried since the 60s. |
| 22:08.25 | Cairenn | not denying that, but the control (and fault) remains on you, not on some third party |
| 22:08.53 | Cairenn | I know it isn't new, it's been around forever |
| 22:08.53 | foxlit | besides, what could possibly go wrong? :) |
| 22:08.57 | Cairenn | foxlit: lol |
| 22:09.02 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 22:09.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.30 | Jamash | it's never possible to build perfectly secure systems |
| 22:09.30 | kd3 | the only perfectly secure system is the one unplugged from the wall, locked in a vault |
| 22:09.39 | Cairenn | yes |
| 22:09.41 | Jamash | buried under 30m of cement |
| 22:09.46 | foxlit | I think you're just rephrasing the same statement. |
| 22:09.51 | foxlit | That does not an argument make. |
| 22:09.52 | Jamash | at the bottom of the marianas trench |
| 22:10.00 | Jamash | no, it's true |
| 22:10.10 | Unkle | Everything can, and probably will, go wrong. Micro computers with local storage were a reaction to the cost of networks and storage on servers. Now networks are cheap(er) and servers are great for providing data to even smaller, more portable micro computers. |
| 22:10.12 | Cairenn | I just think people are being kind of stupid, not really thinking about what they are doing and the potential risk |
| 22:10.16 | Jamash | "secure" is a non-provable state |
| 22:10.36 | Jamash | ergo you can never be 100% sure that a system is secure |
| 22:10.41 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 22:10.43 | foxlit | wait, what? |
| 22:11.06 | foxlit | Why exactly is that premise valid to begin with? |
| 22:11.20 | Jamash | foxlit: have you ever studied incompleteness and undecidability? |
| 22:11.29 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:11.36 | Jamash | well? |
| 22:12.01 | foxlit | those concepts apply to specific problems with general systems. You don't get to wave them around to say "well, we can't prove anything!" |
| 22:12.29 | Jamash | in order to prove that a system is "secure", you have to prove that it is resistant to all attacks, both known and unknown |
| 22:12.37 | Jamash | that's not doable |
| 22:12.43 | foxlit | Yes, it is. |
| 22:12.50 | Jamash | snrk |
| 22:13.12 | foxlit | For reference, you don't do that by enumerating attacks and saying "nope, that one does not work!" |
| 22:13.28 | Jamash | do you know about the time that some haxors got into a DOD network that is not connected to the internet? |
| 22:13.45 | foxlit | Nope. |
| 22:13.51 | Jamash | by infecting thumbdrives that people were using to transfer files back and forth from their computers to the "secure" network? |
| 22:14.13 | Jamash | you can't prove that you're immune from an attack that you don't even know exists |
| 22:14.18 | foxlit | Clearly the anecdote invalidates the possibility of secure systems existing. |
| 22:14.29 | Jamash | you're being silly |
| 22:14.36 | Jamash | it's an example |
| 22:14.43 | Jamash | of a general principle |
| 22:15.12 | Jamash | you can't prove that a non-trivial system is secure |
| 22:16.01 | Jamash | you can only give an estimate of what kind of resources an attacker would require to gain access to it |
| 22:16.11 | Jamash | and that estimate can be very, very wrong |
| 22:16.40 | foxlit | Meh, "non-trivial" is a boring cop-out. |
| 22:17.11 | foxlit | Formal validation clearly works. Just because nobody is willing to expend the resources to do it does not mean that it's not possible. |
| 22:17.25 | Jamash | You have a piece of software that responds to network queries on a standard TCP port. Prove that it never allows access to an unauthorized user, without access to a turing oracle. |
| 22:17.37 | Jamash | go |
| 22:17.51 | foxlit | Figure out which subset of TCP queries is intended by design. |
| 22:17.55 | foxlit | Filter out everything else. |
| 22:18.11 | Jamash | easier said than done |
| 22:18.43 | foxlit | But that's the general idea -- if you're building a perfectly secure system, control all input data, and simply throw away anything that you're not expecting. |
| 22:18.55 | Jamash | you also need to validate the libraries, the operating system, the firmware, the hardware and the *people who use it* |
| 22:19.46 | foxlit | Clearly ship it in a people-proof box with only an ethernet port. |
| 22:19.50 | Jamash | https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 22:20.28 | Jamash | it's possible to construct systems that are secure to some level of confidence |
| 22:20.37 | Jamash | but that level can never reach 100%, only approach it |
| 22:20.50 | foxlit | again, assertion, not reasoning. |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | But I'm well aware of that viewpoint; computer security courses tend to be plagued by it. |
| 22:23.46 | Jamash | plagued by facts? |
| 22:24.52 | Jamash | consider encryption standards; there are new methods of cryptanalysis being developed all the time |
| 22:25.26 | Jamash | in some cases, older standards that were secure against all *known* methods were vulnerable to new methods that didn't exist when the standard was written |
| 22:25.42 | Jamash | how can you prove that a system is immune to an attack that doesn't exist yet? |
| 22:26.31 | foxlit | It strikes me that encryption standards are not the same thing as software. |
| 22:27.29 | foxlit | So I wouldn't try to assert that anything can be proven about how secure they are at all. |
| 22:28.28 | Jamash | any software that includes an implimentation of an encryption or authentication method then relies on the strength of that method |
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| 22:30.19 | Jamash | if you were using HMAC-MD5 when collisions were found in md5, woooops |
| 22:31.37 | Jamash | bad example, this says collisions are less damaging to HMAC-MD5 than MD5 alone |
| 22:32.04 | foxlit | but okay, we have a problem with authentication in general. |
| 22:32.55 | bleeter | OMG TEKKUB http://gawker.com/5905518/heres-a-photo-of-a-bear-falling-from-a-tree-after-being-tranquilized |
| 22:33.04 | foxlit | The xkcd comic illustrates that -- there's generally no way to tell whether you're typing in a password at gunpoint or not. |
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| 22:34.17 | Cairenn | awww, poor bear |
| 22:34.35 | Cairenn | better that than being shot with a non-tranq gun though |
| 22:35.28 | bleeter | new internet meme inbound in 3... 2... |
| 22:35.37 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 22:38.45 | bleeter | "Emily Goodin, a 23-year-old junior Italian major, said that she couldn’t get on the Buff Bus because of the bear." |
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| 22:54.38 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://gawker.com/5905483/benedict-cumberbatch-is-not-intodowntown-abbey-is-a-sociopath |
| 22:55.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster: theres a subreddit for hot pics of him |
| 22:55.34 | Arrowmaster | read the quote |
| 22:55.56 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:56.01 | Adys | also, sociopathy is the new chic |
| 22:58.48 | Arrowmaster | i think this joke has gone too far http://i.imgur.com/1CoKF.jpg |
| 23:05.39 | Arrowmaster | the fuck back on jan25 i got an email from somebody about a job and wanting a resume, today i get an email asking if im still interested in it |
| 23:07.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: gf applied for a romanian translation job about 6 months ago; five months later they call her in emergency "We need a live translation at a meeting asap" |
| 23:07.15 | Adys | Look who didn't do their homework! |
| 23:08.30 | Arrowmaster | this is for a "Datacenter Operations Engineer" |
| 23:08.42 | Arrowmaster | although honestly i didnt ever expect a reply |
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| 23:13.57 | TC-Work | do '-' need to be escaped in regex? |
| 23:16.57 | znf | when in doubt, escape it :P |
| 23:17.55 | TC-Work | looks like it counts as a '-' right after an opening bracket |
| 23:19.11 | TC-Work | though it seems i managed to break the script with that |
| 23:20.29 | foxlit | TC-Work: not unless you're in a character class. |
| 23:23.19 | TC-Work | foxlit: hmm? |
| 23:23.47 | foxlit | - is not a metacharacter; you only need to escape it if you mean a literal - inside a character class as opposed to a range |
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| 23:24.30 | TC-Work | right, and i wanted it literal within a char class |
| 23:24.41 | TC-Work | however escaping it did not seem to work either |
| 23:25.01 | foxlit | you can stick it in where it wouldn't be ambiguous with a range: at the start or end of the class. |
| 23:25.11 | TC-Work | did, still crapped out |
| 23:25.22 | foxlit | paste your expression somewhere? |
| 23:25.33 | TC-Work | ^[a-zA-Z0-9]{2,}:[a-zA-Z0-9\]{2,}$ |
| 23:25.55 | foxlit | you're escaping the ]? |
| 23:25.57 | TC-Work | i want to beable to add a '-' after the : |
| 23:26.06 | TC-Work | i didnt make this |
| 23:26.11 | TC-Work | just altering it |
| 23:26.13 | Arrowmaster | you probably dont need to escape it |
| 23:26.22 | foxlit | that slash shouldn't be there anyway. |
| 23:28.22 | foxlit | so ^[a-zA-Z0-9]{2,}:[a-zA-Z0-9-]{2,}$ should work |
| 23:28.41 | TC-Work | i put the - at the begning but it dose |
| 23:28.42 | foxlit | assuming you want to match aa:-- but not aa:- |
| 23:28.43 | TC-Work | does* |
| 23:28.53 | foxlit | n't? |
| 23:28.56 | TC-Work | i wonder why it worked fine before |
| 23:29.05 | TC-Work | no, it works fine now |
| 23:29.11 | TC-Work | after i took away the escape |
