| 00:00.11 | Stanzilla | why would you use QuestHelper |
| 00:00.24 | Sintacks | Downstream: 2996.14 KBytes/s Upstream: 52.79 KBytes/s |
| 00:00.31 | Sintacks | wtb moar upload |
| 00:01.02 | dist | Stanzilla: It's nice. Anything nicer? |
| 00:01.25 | Stanzilla | never found a need to use it after blizzard implemented their own thingy |
| 00:01.31 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 00:01.41 | Sintacks | Though, there are some things I miss about the old QuestHelper |
| 00:01.51 | Sintacks | specificly, the NPC locater thingy |
| 00:01.54 | Stanzilla | I use QuestPointer though |
| 00:02.01 | Sintacks | input name. see area were it roams |
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| 00:02.21 | dist | Oh well, I haven't been playing for 7 years. So much has changed. It's giving me quite nice hints about routes I might want to take to get somewhere |
| 00:02.57 | Sintacks | QuestHelper Lite is decent... cuz all it is is arrows and rearanging quests to make that old style routes that the old QuestHelper did |
| 00:04.48 | Sintacks | 1TB would be 1024GB right... |
| 00:06.35 | Adys | Corgan: really? >.> |
| 00:06.42 | Corgan | shrugs |
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| 01:27.03 | pompy | http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11291438-standoff-at-worlds-highest-battlefield-leaves-140-dead-in-tragedy?lite |
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| 01:49.35 | TC-Work | http://g.co/maps/myek6 |
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| 02:39.18 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Beta UI/API Changes forum: http://bit.ly/GMjEVC. Feel free to post what you find! || SWTORUI Now Open! http://bit.ly/I5FC6Y || Multiple Categories! http://bit.ly/HUTaR5 |
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| 03:12.24 | Sintacks | wtb faster server transfer |
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| 03:40.33 | Adys | Fisker: |
| 03:40.34 | Adys | so is there a preorder for the d3 collectors edition? |
| 03:44.42 | TC-Work | the only thing i want is gossamer wings and it is not worth $100 |
| 03:52.35 | pompy | Adys: yar http://www.amazon.com/Diablo-III-Collectors-Edition-Pc/dp/B0050SZC5U/ref=pd_sim_vg_6 |
| 03:52.38 | pompy | but not avail atm |
| 03:53.03 | pompy | i got my preorder on amazon on march 16 |
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| 04:00.46 | Arrowmaster | somebody started following me on g+, the only common link is Cairenn but from the profile page i think its a spambot |
| 04:03.37 | kd3 | I just started getting followed by spambots on twitter lately |
| 04:03.52 | Arrowmaster | thats been happening to me forever |
| 04:04.17 | Arrowmaster | even though i dont use twitter |
| 04:05.42 | Kraps | whoa - neo |
| 04:05.45 | Arrowmaster | ohh eureka seven ao ep2 op shows the mechas, was kinda disappointed that there wasnt even a glimpse of them in the first ep |
| 04:06.07 | Arrowmaster | and its been so long i cant remember what they call the mechas in eureka seven |
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| 04:41.19 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 04:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | on my first char i soloed skeleton king at level 6, i think that's a bit early isn't it D: |
| 04:41.56 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 04:42.21 | Arrowmaster | if you take your time you get to him around level 8 |
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| 04:45.06 | Kaylin | I solo'd diablo in hell at 34 with a blizz sorc |
| 04:45.09 | Kaylin | it was quite silly |
| 04:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | it kinda bugged when i joined a game and it gave me town portal at level 1 |
| 04:45.51 | Mr_Rabies | it put me in on the wrong quest or something |
| 04:45.52 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 04:46.03 | Mr_Rabies | but that was some dark souls fun because all my gear sucked |
| 04:46.10 | Mr_Rabies | i got to level 6 just clearing to skelly king |
| 04:46.11 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 04:46.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah if you join a game where they are on a quest after they get the TP then you get it |
| 04:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | died like twice |
| 04:46.38 | Mr_Rabies | because elites could two-shot me |
| 04:46.43 | Kaylin | I can see it now |
| 04:46.45 | Kaylin | rush me for tp |
| 04:47.21 | Arrowmaster | just join a friends game, instantly get the TP then leave |
| 04:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | the difficulty there made me hope that inferno mode is dark souls style hard |
| 04:52.19 | Kaylin | suspects it'll be plush toy style hard |
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| 05:06.17 | Shirik | TPs Arrowmaster's house |
| 05:13.06 | Shirik | sleepifies |
| 05:19.52 | pompy | http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/221192-diablo-iii-open-beta-weekend/ |
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| 05:22.25 | ccox | gee, invitation to a free for all guaranteed to have problems - uh, no thank, I'll wait. |
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| 05:29.26 | Shirik | cmon ccox where's your sense of adventure |
| 05:29.32 | TC-Work | http://io9.com/5903588/this-photo-of-a-spider-eating-a-15+foot+long-will-burn-into-your-brain |
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| 05:57.43 | Fisker | i once advetured a Shirik |
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| 06:07.41 | TC-Work | did you also adventure a Shirik, Fisker? |
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| 06:36.17 | bluworkcow | *Fiskers shirik* |
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| 06:58.20 | Sintacks | anyone against me asking if this macro is a "clean" as it can be... |
| 06:58.48 | Sintacks | I have an odd feeling it's not... but i can't think of another way to do it |
| 07:01.50 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: no, but during the day hours for the majority of people will get you better/more responses |
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| 07:19.33 | Sintacks | #showtooltip [spec:1,nomod] Rejuvenation; Moonfire |
| 07:19.34 | Sintacks | /cast [mod:shift] Moonfire; [spec:1,@mouseover,help,nodead] [spec:1,help] [spec:1,@player] Rejuvenation |
| 07:19.34 | Sintacks | /cast [spec:2,@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm] Moonfire |
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| 07:26.27 | Sintacks | hi bluer |
| 07:26.27 | Sintacks | er |
| 07:26.29 | Sintacks | hi blu |
| 07:26.46 | Thunder_Child | more like bluworkingcow |
| 07:27.17 | Sintacks | more like blugettingpaidnottodoanythingatworkcow |
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| 07:47.07 | bluworkcow | oh hai |
| 07:49.02 | bluworkcow | oh i do things at work |
| 07:49.06 | bluworkcow | just not right now :D |
| 07:54.03 | karl_w_w | bluworkcow works every monday |
| 07:54.22 | karl_w_w | when the monday coincides with feb 29th |
| 07:54.31 | Sintacks | he does all the stuff he should have done the week before, on mondays |
| 07:55.05 | Sintacks | anyone know, off the top of their head, how to turn off server side saving of keybinds/macros/etc |
| 07:55.37 | karl_w_w | override it with an addon? |
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| 07:57.14 | Sintacks | i just want to do it once to be able to easily reset this shit back to global keybinds if i don't like these keybinds for my druid |
| 08:05.10 | bluworkcow | wowpedia search on sync vars |
| 08:05.35 | Sintacks | god damnit... there sould be a confirm or you have to hold ctrl or something to delete macros |
| 08:06.32 | Sintacks | or the delete doesn't get saved until you hit save |
| 08:06.32 | Maldivia | ohh... D3 open beta after all |
| 08:06.39 | Sintacks | only for a weekend or something |
| 08:06.47 | Sintacks | from what i heard in guild chat |
| 08:06.57 | bluworkcow | oh rly Maldivia ? |
| 08:07.14 | Maldivia | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4963739 |
| 08:07.27 | Maldivia | this weekend, starting from noon (PDT) today |
| 08:07.34 | Sintacks | oh god i just like this macro so much |
| 08:07.41 | Sintacks | #showtooltip [nomod] Lifebloom; Thorns |
| 08:07.41 | Sintacks | /cast [mod:shift,@mouseover,help,nodead][mod:shift,help,nodead][mod:shift,nogroup,@player] Thorns; [@mouseover,help,nodead][help][nogroup,@player] Lifebloom |
| 08:07.49 | Sintacks | looks like a mess |
| 08:08.29 | bluworkcow | ya rly |
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| 08:13.09 | Sintacks | why didn't i think of this when shrooms first came out... :| |
| 08:13.20 | Sintacks | #showtooltip Wild Mushroom: Detonate |
| 08:13.25 | Sintacks | /cast [mod:shift] Wild Mushroom: Detonate; !Wild Mushroom |
| 08:13.34 | Sintacks | brb. running off a cliff. |
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| 08:25.00 | karl_w_w | oh so i use the d3 client i've already downloaded |
| 08:27.06 | karl_w_w | except it's giving me the same error the beta installer was giving me |
| 08:28.10 | karl_w_w | oh good now it's redownloading it all |
| 08:30.46 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 08:30.48 | bluworkcow | what error |
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| 08:32.35 | karl_w_w | failed to resolve data url from http://<locale>.patch.battle.net:1119/patch. please check your internet connection |
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| 08:36.45 | karl_w_w | ah good old delete battlenet folder worked |
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| 08:40.28 | Sintacks | karl_w_w, did it actually have <locale> or did you put that part |
| 08:43.29 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: did you at any point play with the language selector in the beta client? |
| 08:43.40 | Maldivia | because that is not supported in the beta, and will cause the issue you're having |
| 08:45.55 | bluworkcow | that is a unique error. i have not seen that error before |
| 08:46.47 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 08:46.51 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 08:48.11 | karl_w_w | Sintacks: it said <locale> |
| 08:48.15 | karl_w_w | Maldivia: neg. |
| 08:48.21 | Sintacks | lol nice going blizzard |
| 08:49.43 | bluworkcow | bluworkcow: nice ass |
| 08:49.44 | bluworkcow | thanks! |
| 08:50.10 | karl_w_w | ahh good old adam savage |
| 08:50.23 | bluworkcow | you should add an entry in your hosts file pointing <locale>.patch.battle.net to us.patch.battle.net :D |
| 08:50.27 | Sintacks | /cast [@mouseover,exists,help,nodead] [@target,exists,help,nodead] [@target,exists,help,nodead] Healing Touch |
| 08:50.29 | karl_w_w | "blah blah but now we need to field test it, so we've come out to a field" |
| 08:50.30 | Sintacks | was i fucking high? |
| 08:51.03 | karl_w_w | Sintacks: dead/nodead/help/nohelp etc all imply exists |
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| 08:51.31 | Sintacks | like i said, was I high... |
| 08:51.39 | Sintacks | mostly cuz the second and third are the same thing |
| 08:51.59 | Sintacks | also, this macro was written before i knew that exists things |
| 08:52.19 | karl_w_w | a likely story |
| 08:53.01 | Sintacks | likely or not, it's true |
| 08:53.16 | karl_w_w | a false story |
| 08:53.26 | Fisker | i killed you karl_w_w |
| 08:53.42 | Sintacks | y u mad, Fisker |
| 08:54.02 | Fisker | i'm never mad Sintacks |
| 08:54.04 | Fisker | don't be absurd |
| 08:54.36 | bluworkcow | *puts maids uniform on fisker* |
| 08:54.39 | bluworkcow | now he maid |
| 08:54.56 | Sintacks | he's always mad |
| 08:55.00 | Sintacks | and he always lies |
| 08:55.31 | karl_w_w | Fisker is just misunderstood |
| 08:56.13 | karl_w_w | which is why, like most maids, he should be seen and not heard |
| 09:00.42 | Fisker | indeed |
| 09:00.53 | Fisker | which is why i use IRC not Ventrilo |
| 09:12.41 | Alram | i have recordings of Fisker talking |
| 09:14.29 | Kalroth | moaning* |
| 09:15.55 | Fisker | i don't see the big deal Alram |
| 09:15.57 | karl_w_w | "It's also not the end of the world if healer monks slightly prefer staves, since not all healers want staves." good old blizzard always making the same old mistakes |
| 09:16.42 | karl_w_w | it will turn into "staves are slightly better so we must have staves" then when there's a tier without a decent staff the QQ will be significant |
| 09:17.03 | Alram | umad Fisker |
| 09:17.11 | Fisker | nope Alram |
| 09:17.22 | Fisker | pretty fucking glad here |
| 09:17.30 | Alram | k why |
| 09:17.34 | Fisker | i'm off work in 1½ hour |
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| 09:17.47 | Alram | ok gj |
| 09:25.41 | Sintacks | wtf. i thought you couldn't edit a macro in combat |
| 09:29.21 | Sintacks | /stopmacro [@mouseover,noexists][noexists] |
| 09:29.23 | Sintacks | is that valid |
| 09:29.49 | bluworkcow | http://www.theentertainingelf.com/animals/i-think-something-wrong-with-me/ |
| 09:30.23 | neutronimity | Sintacks, I think [noexists] would check if a target exists? |
| 09:30.36 | neutronimity | Layman here |
| 09:30.51 | Sintacks | yeah. that's what i thoguht too and what i want it do to |
| 09:30.59 | Sintacks | stop the macro if i don't have a mouseover or a target |
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| 09:40.40 | karl_w_w | yes it is Sintacks |
| 09:41.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.macroexplain.com/ btw |
| 09:50.44 | foxlit | sigh, chrome. Tabs crashing everywhere, and the entire thing crashes if you try to open a <select> dropdown |
| 09:53.42 | karl_w_w | and the only thing i have to worry about with firefox is 570mb mem usage |
| 09:54.10 | karl_w_w | oh i forgot the plugin container, 760mb* |
| 09:54.25 | foxlit | but it's awesome! |
| 09:54.32 | foxlit | "If you're seeing this frequently, try these suggestions." |
| 09:54.39 | foxlit | click, https://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95669&p=e_awsnap , crash tab. |
| 09:54.47 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 09:55.11 | foxlit | in fact, https://chrome.google.com crashes tabs. |
| 09:55.19 | karl_w_w | Check your anti-virus and firewall applications |
| 09:55.20 | karl_w_w | Check your extensions |
| 09:55.20 | karl_w_w | Check for malware |
| 09:55.20 | karl_w_w | Create a new user profile |
| 09:55.37 | foxlit | it's a mac. |
| 09:55.39 | karl_w_w | are the solutions |
| 09:55.42 | foxlit | extensions are disabled. |
| 09:55.50 | foxlit | crashes with a new user profile. |
| 09:56.02 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 09:59.21 | bluworkcow | karl_w_w: BBQ pizza please. Fried on the barbie.3 |
| 09:59.56 | Sintacks | wubwubwubwubwubwuuuuuuuuuuuubwubuwbuwbuwbuwbuwbuwbuwbuuuuuuuuuuuub |
| 10:00.09 | karl_w_w | say what |
| 10:01.12 | Sintacks | WUB |
| 10:01.43 | karl_w_w | well not much sense is being made here and i have to go so ner! |
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| 10:07.41 | foxlit | and restarting helped. This is alarming :( |
| 10:14.29 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.30 | Sintacks | If the unit your mouse is currently over does not exist then: |
| 10:14.30 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.30 | Sintacks | Else, if the currently targeted unit does not exist then: |
| 10:14.31 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.45 | Sintacks | lol that just sounds weird. also... that's not how that should have come through.. fucking spam |
| 10:15.10 | Sintacks | also, it doens't work :( |
| 10:16.28 | Sintacks | it wants both to be valid... |
| 10:16.38 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/al_pacino_and_christopher_walken.jpg |
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| 10:24.13 | F16Gaming | Sintacks: shouldn't it be "If no mouseover and no target", though not sure how to do that in a macro |
| 10:24.51 | Sintacks | yeah. that's what i want. but i'm not sure how to get it to work |
| 10:25.08 | Sintacks | macroexplain says the way i had it will do what i want, but it doesn't |
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| 10:27.24 | F16Gaming | Sintacks: (not experienced with macros, so this might be wrong) /stopmacro [nofocus, notarget] |
| 10:28.41 | F16Gaming | erm |
| 10:28.44 | F16Gaming | nomouseover* |
| 10:28.53 | F16Gaming | not sure if you can do nomouseover, but i think notarget is valid |
| 10:31.59 | Sintacks | 31:40|Unknown macro option: mouseover |
| 10:31.59 | Sintacks | 31:40|Unknown macro option: target |
| 10:32.00 | Sintacks | heh |
| 10:32.45 | F16Gaming | :o |
| 10:32.55 | F16Gaming | i've used notarget conditional lots of times |
| 10:33.28 | F16Gaming | note: notarget, not just target |
| 10:33.44 | Sintacks | /stopmacro [nomouseover][notarget] did those errors |
| 10:33.53 | F16Gaming | weird |
| 10:33.56 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 10:34.01 | Sintacks | i'll ask again later or use the wow forums |
| 10:34.05 | F16Gaming | what about |
| 10:34.17 | F16Gaming | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.23 | Sintacks | too long to fit with the rest of the macro :( |
| 10:35.37 | F16Gaming | D: |
| 10:35.40 | F16Gaming | but it works? |
| 10:35.43 | Sintacks | not sure |
| 10:36.00 | Sintacks | doesnt' seem to |
| 10:36.47 | bluworkcow | 31.40 is an odd timestamp |
| 10:37.01 | Sintacks | lol |
| 10:37.06 | Sintacks | i only show minutes and seconds to save space |
| 10:37.46 | Sintacks | three less chars on every line means a little less wordwrap |
| 10:38.25 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 10:38.35 | Sintacks | i've even thought about changing the timestamp end char to [ and dropping the [ before channel names |
| 10:38.55 | Sintacks | or i could just drop the end char for timestamps... |
| 10:39.20 | F16Gaming | do you also have font set at smallest size? :P |
| 10:39.31 | Sintacks | no |
| 10:39.38 | F16Gaming | it would save a lot of word wrap |
| 10:39.39 | Sintacks | 11 point |
| 10:39.51 | Sintacks | is the smallest that's easily read |
| 10:41.20 | F16Gaming | you can make the timestamp even smaller |
| 10:41.28 | F16Gaming | use a higher base :D |
| 10:41.42 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 10:41.53 | F16Gaming | 10:10 becomes A:A |
| 10:41.59 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 10:42.09 | F16Gaming | saves two chars! |
| 10:42.26 | Sintacks | "wtf is with your time stamp" "oh. it's hex" |
| 10:42.35 | F16Gaming | hex doesn't have enough |
| 10:42.38 | F16Gaming | only goes up to F |
| 10:42.40 | Sintacks | yeha i know :| |
| 10:42.42 | F16Gaming | use Base64 :P |
| 10:42.46 | Sintacks | lol |
| 10:43.01 | zenzelezz | base64 is verbose |
| 10:43.03 | F16Gaming | woot! it's U:P time for raids! |
| 10:43.38 | F16Gaming | and skip the colon, you already know that every number is one char |
| 10:43.40 | F16Gaming | AA = 10:10 |
| 10:43.50 | F16Gaming | now you've saved 3 chars! |
| 10:43.51 | Sintacks | that'd be really weird if you could convert that in real time without really thinkingabout it... |
| 10:44.05 | F16Gaming | if you use it for long enough i bet you would learn :P |
| 10:44.39 | Sintacks | k. i've gotten 7 of my buttons finished... |
| 10:44.42 | Sintacks | now 4 more |
| 10:44.47 | Sintacks | 5 more |
| 10:45.06 | Sintacks | and i've got 11 more spells i need to do |
| 10:45.47 | Sintacks | 10 if i just put Tranq some where else |
| 10:48.10 | F16Gaming | Sintacks: just modify the timestamp to pass each number to base10->baseX converter :3 |
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| 11:04.36 | Kalroth | <Grauwolf> The best thing about UDP jokes is that I don't care if you get them or not |
| 11:11.28 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 11:11.38 | zenzelezz | I love cheesy computer jokes |
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| 11:26.14 | bluworkcow | kk i go homes |
| 11:28.30 | Sintacks | y u no work macro |
| 11:28.51 | Sintacks | /cast [mod:ctrl,@player][mod:shift,@mouseover,help][mod:shift,help][mod:shift,@player] Mark of the Wild; [@mouseover,exists,nodead] [@player] Wild Growth |
| 11:28.55 | Sintacks | ctrl part doesn't work |
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| 11:29.40 | Sintacks | ah.. i bet it's doing the same thing with messed up keybinds that the ctrl part of my CC macro was doing... |
| 11:33.22 | karl_w_w | <Sintacks> too long to fit with the rest of the macro :( <- what's the whole macro? |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | #showtooltip Nature's Swiftness |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | /stopcasting |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | /cast Nature's Swiftness |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | /cast [mod:shift] [@mouseover,help,dead][@target,help,dead] Rebirth |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | /stopmacro [mod:shift] |
| 11:33.36 | Sintacks | /cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Healing Touch |
| 11:33.45 | Sintacks | i want the stop macro line before the NS cast |
| 11:34.05 | zenzelezz | if you're going to paste that many lines, please use a site like the one in the topic |
| 11:34.23 | Sintacks | I knew someone would say that... |
| 11:34.43 | zenzelezz | for a reason :) |
| 11:34.48 | Sintacks | I also don't know why people freak the fuck out over 6 lines when a channel is dead anyway |
| 11:34.50 | zenzelezz | it's a bit of an unwritten rule in here |
| 11:35.12 | Sintacks | and that's not just about this channel. many other channels that talk about code |
| 11:37.53 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/dhDvbzHS ? |
| 11:38.21 | Sintacks | i knew you would remove that second stop macro. lol |
| 11:38.37 | foxlit | karl_w_w: no |
| 11:38.53 | Sintacks | doesn't work when i have a target |
| 11:39.05 | Sintacks | only works if i both have a target, and am mousing over a target |
| 11:39.17 | foxlit | for the same reason as NOT (a OR b) is not (NOT a) OR (NOT b) |
| 11:39.21 | karl_w_w | how does that make sense |
| 11:39.35 | Sintacks | even macroexplain says it works the way i want it to |
| 11:39.53 | Sintacks | but it doesn't |
| 11:40.34 | Sintacks | woo. i got rid of 4 macros AND 14 buttons |
| 11:40.46 | karl_w_w | i have no idea what foxlit is talking about and i have no idea why Sintacks is getting that |
| 11:40.55 | Sintacks | yeah i don't either. |
| 11:40.55 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 11:42.00 | foxlit | karl_w_w: I don't like the /stopmacro conditionals in the codepad you linked. |
| 11:42.23 | karl_w_w | for what reason :P |
| 11:42.25 | foxlit | Sintacks is doing some macro stuff that looks trivial and boring to me. |
| 11:42.33 | foxlit | It seems like a mistranslation of your intentions |
| 11:42.44 | foxlit | You want to stop if you don't have a mouseover or a target. |
| 11:42.48 | Sintacks | You would think it was Trivial, but it's not working |
| 11:42.56 | karl_w_w | that's what he said he wanted? |
| 11:43.15 | foxlit | But what your code actually does is stop if you don't have a mouseover, or stop if you don't have a target |
| 11:43.57 | karl_w_w | I'm with you |
| 11:44.01 | foxlit | so "have a target, but no mouseover" results in STOP for that conditional, but what you actually want is to continue. |
| 11:44.35 | Sintacks | so /stopmacro [@mouseover][exists] ? |
| 11:44.56 | karl_w_w | [@mouseover] won't do anything there |
| 11:45.05 | foxlit | no. |
| 11:45.14 | foxlit | You can't actually express what you want with those semantics. |
| 11:45.14 | Sintacks | okay |
| 11:45.30 | Sintacks | that sucks |
| 11:46.53 | foxlit | You could throw more code at it (/click to run a restricted snippet, evaluate your conditional, and /stopmacro conitionally), but that's boring. |
| 11:46.55 | karl_w_w | could try http://codepad.org/9AblD0Ei |
| 11:47.23 | karl_w_w | the game might throw an error saying invalid target |
| 11:47.25 | foxlit | karl_w_w: you probably need to negate those. |
| 11:47.37 | karl_w_w | those what |
| 11:47.45 | karl_w_w | are you deliberately talking in riddles :P |
| 11:47.46 | foxlit | those noexists |
| 11:48.00 | foxlit | No, I'm lazily talking in riddles. |
| 11:48.05 | foxlit | Like the cheshire cat. |
| 11:48.47 | Sintacks | why does the drop down menu for addons always say custom when i go to it .... |
| 11:49.51 | karl_w_w | i think it's just a bug |
| 11:51.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.25 | karl_w_w | i know i know, this should do it |
| 11:51.42 | Sintacks | throw a brick at it, is that what you're saying, foxlit? |
| 11:51.59 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/UEcjHcGs |
| 11:52.17 | foxlit | karl_w_w: stray semicolon. |
| 11:52.39 | karl_w_w | negative |
| 11:52.40 | foxlit | or missing negation |
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| 11:52.59 | karl_w_w | i haven't tried it before but it should work |
| 11:53.16 | karl_w_w | a semicolon just mean "otherwise do" |
| 11:53.23 | karl_w_w | means |
| 11:53.35 | foxlit | yes, but is that the desired effect? |
| 11:53.44 | Sintacks | NS went off without a mouseover or a target |
| 11:53.46 | karl_w_w | no cos i took the 'no's out |
| 11:53.56 | Sintacks | which is the part that i'm trying to avoid |
| 11:54.05 | karl_w_w | i should have left them as noexists |
| 11:54.23 | karl_w_w | i think |
| 11:54.27 | karl_w_w | man im confused now |
| 11:54.55 | Sintacks | I just walked out of the bank... presseing Flight Form... i don't change forms until i'm at least 30 yards outside.... |
| 11:55.20 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/7eAovV4M |
| 11:55.33 | karl_w_w | if that doesn't work I give up, cos I'm going out, cyas :P |
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| 12:10.52 | Sintacks | I keep having persistant keybinds for BT4 that I removed... |
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| 12:13.43 | Sintacks | only having one set of bars is going to be fucking weird as hell |
| 12:13.59 | Sintacks | er... only having one bar of 12 buttons |
| 12:14.03 | Sintacks | going from 3 bars of 12... |
| 12:16.30 | foxlit | it's fine. |
| 12:16.42 | foxlit | Now if you also realize that you can only comfortably reach up to maybe 6 |
| 12:16.56 | foxlit | then things get mildly interesting |
| 12:17.28 | Sintacks | razer naga |
| 12:17.59 | Sintacks | i was already using shift mods, but i had them keybound and more buttons.. on the second bar. |
| 12:18.01 | foxlit | urgh. |
| 12:18.26 | foxlit | thumbs are not made for that stuff :( |
| 12:18.29 | Sintacks | i combined stuff into shift mod macros (cuz everything was already macroed) and got rid of the extra bar |
| 12:18.30 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:18.33 | Sintacks | my thumb is fine |
| 12:18.51 | Sintacks | it's only ever gotten tired after a full night of raiding, and at the end of a raid after raid... |
| 12:18.55 | Sintacks | if that makes sense |
| 12:19.30 | Sintacks | now i'm trying to get paging to work so i have boomkin buttons and healing buttons in human form |
| 12:20.11 | Sintacks | but it doesn't seem to be doing anything :( |
| 12:21.16 | Sintacks | oh.. that's why. was using page 1 for both |
| 12:21.52 | Sintacks | tries to find that thing that lists which page is which for druids |
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| 12:38.17 | zenzelezz | "why *did* Google have to choose Java for Android? Why not their own language(s), Dart or Go?" |
| 12:38.29 | zenzelezz | you know, besides those only being invented several years later, I don't know |
| 12:38.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:39.19 | A-KO | zenzelezz: Very likely a language they chose that would be used to spur app development in their app market. I suspect it was entirely marketability driven. |
| 12:39.33 | A-KO | Lots of phone vendors have used Java for years, many years |
| 12:39.36 | A-KO | it made sense |
| 12:39.46 | zenzelezz | A-KO: my comment was only for the "how could you use a language that wasn't invented" part |
| 12:39.53 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 12:40.09 | Sintacks | oh fuck me. |
| 12:40.16 | Sintacks | now i'm going to have to do the same thing on my priest ... |
| 12:40.18 | zenzelezz | if I remember correctly, the original creator of Android chose Java before Google bought them; either way I'm not saying Java was a bad choice |
| 12:40.32 | A-KO | ah |
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| 12:41.25 | zenzelezz | ahoy there peppy |
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| 12:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ahoy. |
| 12:47.11 | Sintacks | I have a hole and don't know what to fill it with |
| 12:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | ....... |
| 12:48.35 | Sintacks | haha |
| 12:48.37 | Sintacks | in my UI |
| 12:48.39 | Sintacks | i have a hole |
| 12:48.46 | Sintacks | and don't know what to put there |
| 12:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Move everything again, so that hole is used best to give you more visual area. |
| 12:49.31 | Sintacks | haha |
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| 12:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dead serious. Why fill it? Use it to actually *see* the game. |
| 12:50.16 | Sintacks | so, i used to use 4 bars of 12 buttons for my stuffs. with a 5 bar under those... anyway. i now have one bar with my spells and another bar with some CDs keybound to numpad buttons... so i have a hole where 24 buttons used to be |
| 12:50.34 | Sintacks | because there's black "art" behind it |
| 12:51.42 | Sintacks | ups screenshot |
| 12:52.17 | Sintacks | http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8251/wowscrnshot042012085115.jpg |
| 12:58.22 | Kraps | stick a picture of a sexy lady in there |
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| 13:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Move your action buttons upward, and put your menubar on the bottom row. |
| 13:02.52 | foxlit | or just stick the player frame in there |
| 13:02.59 | foxlit | it's floating in the middle of nowhere to begin with. |
| 13:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | Or move them down and move your buffs from waaaaaay over to the left to the top row. |
| 13:03.11 | Sintacks | lol. it's not really in the middle of no where. |
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| 13:03.18 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:03.20 | Fisker | not so hey Sintacks |
| 13:03.22 | Adys | "cool UI, I especially like the bit where you can see the world" |
| 13:03.35 | Sintacks | the world is ugly |
| 13:03.43 | Sintacks | I ended up putting Boomkinator in the hole |
| 13:03.52 | Sintacks | keeps it out of the middle of the screen too |
| 13:03.57 | foxlit | You have a visible hearthstone button |
| 13:04.13 | Sintacks | also, unit frames are on the list to be redone |
| 13:04.18 | Adys | Fisker: have the d3 collector edititons been up for preorder yet or is it still tba? |
| 13:04.24 | Sintacks | i have visable mount buttons too omg |
| 13:04.35 | Sintacks | been up for preorder for a while o.O |
| 13:04.38 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 13:04.43 | Sintacks | like, months |
| 13:04.46 | Adys | thought so |
| 13:04.51 | Sintacks | fuck... like, a year |
| 13:04.52 | Adys | i cant remember whether i preordered it |
| 13:06.08 | Adys | Sintacks: is it up on the blizzard store? |
| 13:06.12 | Adys | i couldnt find it |
| 13:06.25 | Sintacks | idk. have mine at gamestop |
| 13:07.25 | Sintacks | and no, it's not |
| 13:07.51 | Adys | hm, I think i did preorder it |
| 13:07.56 | Sintacks | oshit. when did D2 drop to $20 |
| 13:08.26 | Sintacks | i want to know how the licenses for D2 on the flash drive that comes with D3 are going to be |
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| 13:10.48 | Sintacks | hi blu |
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| 13:12.18 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 13:12.18 | Adys | Fisker: so i filed another security bug with chrome |
| 13:12.33 | Adys | dunno if it's going to be accepted though, its a webkit crash |
| 13:12.43 | Fisker | baw |
| 13:12.50 | bluspacecow | lol webkit |
| 13:12.57 | Fisker | didn't you already talk about that a few weeks ago? |
| 13:13.31 | Adys | Fisker: i got one accepted a couple weeks ago, they're still working on it |
| 13:14.46 | Adys | this one is something i found this morning |
| 13:15.15 | Adys | oh sweet |
| 13:15.24 | Adys | you get d2+lod with collector |
| 13:15.47 | Adys | good thing i noticed now.. i was going to buy it |
| 13:16.29 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:16.36 | Adys | afk, curing diabetes |
| 13:16.51 | Sintacks | i already have D2+LoD. my brother has D2, but not LoD, cuz we lost the sticker with the code... |
| 13:17.03 | Sintacks | we've lost a full set of D2 keys, and a second LoD key :| |
| 13:17.09 | Sintacks | we've had 7 D1 CDs |
| 13:17.24 | Sintacks | 6 of them shattered in CD-ROMs |
| 13:17.28 | Sintacks | the 7th is lost |
| 13:17.33 | Adys | hey if you have a spare D1 key I need. :( |
| 13:17.37 | Sintacks | D1 doesn't have keys |
| 13:17.52 | Adys | didnt blizz add digital keys for it? |
| 13:17.53 | Sintacks | i wish they would just make it downloadable for free |
| 13:17.58 | Sintacks | not that i know of |
| 13:18.14 | Sintacks | I wouldn't mind D1 showing up on my list of games. |
| 13:18.15 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:18.17 | Adys | i thought they did |
| 13:18.24 | Sintacks | even though i keep complaining that there are too many... |
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| 13:18.38 | Adys | you should see my list |
| 13:18.42 | Adys | i have like 7 wow accounts on it |
| 13:18.46 | Sintacks | D3 Beta, D3, WoW Cata, WoW Cata PTR, WoW Mists Beta, SC2, SC2 PTR, D2, D2: LoD |
| 13:19.10 | Sintacks | and i also have the "add a wow account" button |
| 13:19.14 | Sintacks | so wow shows 4 |
| 13:19.39 | Adys | D3 Beta, D3, wow cata, wow cata, wow battlechest, wow battlechest, wow MoP, wow MoP |
| 13:19.49 | Adys | and sc2 ofc |
| 13:20.04 | Sintacks | how do you have two mists |
| 13:20.23 | Adys | two accounts invited? :P |
| 13:20.31 | Sintacks | nice |
| 13:20.35 | Adys | anyway afk |
| 13:20.35 | Sintacks | yet you have no PTRs. lol |
| 13:20.45 | Adys | idk im doing from memory |
| 13:20.50 | Adys | I hate logging on bnet |
| 13:20.51 | Sintacks | oh. haha |
| 13:21.00 | Sintacks | it is qui9te annoying ;\ |
| 13:21.23 | Adys | apparently, to blizzard, the meaning of "remember me" is "put my name on the homepage" |
| 13:21.34 | Sintacks | yep |
| 13:21.41 | Sintacks | though they do it "for your safety" |
| 13:21.54 | Adys | for the children |
| 13:21.57 | Sintacks | fuck saftey. i don't want to type my password and auth code every damn time i want to look for something |
| 13:22.02 | Sintacks | make me login if i want to CHANGE something |
| 13:22.04 | zenzelezz | what mostly annoys me about the battle.net website is how every time I go there, they've got another full-page "ZOMG NEW GAME/EXPANSION"-click-through |
| 13:22.14 | Adys | ugh yeah |
| 13:22.23 | Adys | their adwalls are annoying |
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| 13:22.31 | Sintacks | same thing goes for the Chase iPhone app.. I don't want to type my password to view my ballance... make me retype it if i want to send money to someone |
| 13:22.55 | Sintacks | anyway, afk |
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| 14:08.31 | foxlit | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1118926-ElvUI-leaves-Curse-What-do-you-do << amusing |
| 14:09.42 | AcidWeb | -.- |
| 14:12.17 | mckenziemc | intentionally left blank >> |
| 14:12.53 | bluspacecow | *blank stare* |
| 14:12.57 | bluspacecow | duuuuuh |
| 14:13.03 | bluspacecow | life is like a box of chocolates |
| 14:14.59 | Lopeppeppy | That thread makes me want to make someone eat ground glass. |
| 14:15.04 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i wonder if they know about all the money curse sends into the authors pockets |
| 14:15.06 | nevcairiel | well |
| 14:15.08 | nevcairiel | at least into mine |
| 14:16.21 | foxlit | the plan is to sell their own premium subscriptions, updater access, and hookers. |
| 14:16.25 | foxlit | in fact, forget the addon? :) |
| 14:17.11 | Kraps | "i see, i heard Curse is a non-profit organisation, that generously gives to the poor. " |
| 14:17.15 | Kraps | hehe |
| 14:17.19 | nevcairiel | i think its funny how the guy complains about slow approval processes |
| 14:17.24 | nevcairiel | news flash: use svn/git/whatever |
| 14:17.28 | nevcairiel | no approval required |
| 14:17.52 | foxlit | that sounds weird |
| 14:18.17 | foxlit | if they're pushing svn/git source to proper websites without review, that's a gaping security issue |
| 14:18.28 | foxlit | if they are not, you're still subject to the approval process. |
| 14:18.59 | nevcairiel | there are hooks in place to not allow you to commit bad files |
| 14:19.20 | nevcairiel | so you cannot put executables in there |
| 14:20.31 | foxlit | still weird. |
| 14:20.44 | foxlit | If you've got a magic box that tells you if things are safe or not, you might as well use it on manually uploaded stuff too |
| 14:25.17 | nevcairiel | i found a clearly copy pasted function from bartender in elvui, i should sue them |
| 14:25.54 | mikma | never go into instance as a healer if the group is gathered from 4 melee |
| 14:26.06 | nevcairiel | those groups are fun |
| 14:26.09 | nevcairiel | depends on the instance, though |
| 14:26.59 | foxlit | why? melee has all the good cc! |
| 14:27.29 | mikma | nevcairiel: End of Time |
| 14:27.51 | foxlit | Master OP. and stuff |
| 14:27.54 | mikma | 3 warriors and 1 feral kitty + me as a disc priest |
| 14:28.00 | rtharper | mikma: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.313552505356032.81975.164493960261888&type=3 |
| 14:28.09 | nevcairiel | the only thing thats really bad in there would be getting the shadow shrine |
| 14:28.17 | nevcairiel | its awful with all melee |
| 14:28.19 | mikma | i can say for certain that my heals were not enough to keep that group alive |
| 14:28.31 | mikma | nevcairiel: oh? try the last boss as the only ranged (healer) |
| 14:28.41 | nevcairiel | dont really see the big issue |
| 14:28.59 | nevcairiel | the hour glass really trivializes the encounter |
| 14:29.17 | nevcairiel | you're always on cooldowns :) |
| 14:29.30 | mckenziemc | trivializes? that's by design >.> |
| 14:29.45 | nevcairiel | the point is, its easy! |
| 14:30.06 | mikma | oh, did i remember to say that one of the warrior was doing 22k dps, other was 8k dps and the druid was 9k dps |
| 14:30.13 | mikma | what manapool? gone |
| 14:30.14 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 14:30.31 | mikma | didn't even have time to play the spec (holy fire, smite smite smite) |
| 14:30.43 | nevcairiel | bad players are bad players, don't have to be melee to be bad :D |
| 14:30.53 | mikma | rtharper: i don't get it! |
| 14:31.28 | rtharper | mikma: LOL it's comparing compound words in Swedish adn Finnish |
| 14:31.33 | rtharper | https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.313552505356032.81975.164493960261888&type=3 |
| 14:32.26 | mikma | rtharper: but.. but..... i don't speak swedish :( det er gayyyyyy... ;) |
| 14:32.43 | rtharper | aha you can read the pics and finnish, though =p |
| 14:32.45 | mikma | er? är? |
| 14:33.02 | mikma | rtharper: yeah, hehe |
| 14:33.49 | mikma | rtharper: the fact is that most of the words in finnish are incorrect ;) |
| 14:34.14 | Kraps | its april 20th |
| 14:34.42 | Kraps | tera is still not open |
| 14:35.11 | rtharper | mikma: well that's a sad story |
| 14:35.41 | mikma | rtharper: story of my life.. what? |
| 14:36.38 | mikma | rtharper: so jim is now master in swedish? |
| 14:37.09 | rtharper | mikma: no, he's getting there, though |
| 14:37.29 | mikma | åh jå jå jå det är mycket bra |
| 14:37.32 | rtharper | I'll make him speak only Swedish with Cide- =p |
| 14:37.37 | rtharper | hahahah |
| 14:37.48 | mikma | that's just... cruel. i love it! |
| 14:39.11 | mikma | ny ska vi börja |
| 14:41.19 | Cide- | sounds perfect |
| 14:42.26 | mikma | rtharper: hmmmmmm..... |
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| 14:47.38 | mikma | rtharper: http://youtu.be/uIQhPvVwuVc?hd=1 try and listen if you can understand them ;) also, their volume is REALLY LOUD at some points :D |
| 14:47.43 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiHfqemzzZo |
| 14:47.54 | Fisker | old Kalroth |
| 14:47.58 | Kalroth | :( |
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| 14:49.10 | zenzelezz | god I hate undescriptive dialogs. Download the SC2 downloader, start it, and up pops a "Browser For Folder" window. What am I browsing for? The location I want to download to? Install to? Where my porn is? |
| 14:50.24 | durcyn | the latter. |
| 14:50.47 | Fisker | :) Kalroth |
| 14:56.21 | zenzelezz | ... and since I'm from Norway, *obviously* battle.net would default to the German version... O_o |
| 14:56.53 | foxlit | it's okay. There's just no danish version of battle.net, so they went with the closest thing. |
| 14:57.12 | zenzelezz | I'd be just as offended if they'd chosen Danish |
| 14:57.18 | zenzelezz | probably more |
| 14:59.44 | foxlit | there's clearly no satisfying norwegians :P |
| 14:59.57 | zenzelezz | damn straight! |
| 15:04.13 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21050-GetNitroboosted.html |
| 15:04.16 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19818-GetRallyingcried.html |
| 15:04.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19817-GetThrowdowned.html |
| 15:04.22 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19754-GetShattered.html |
| 15:04.32 | foxlit | those are all clearly unique snowflakes :P |
| 15:04.40 | Sintacks | wat |
| 15:05.41 | Sintacks | he should just merge them and call them GetMoreAddons |
| 15:10.31 | Kraps | GetBent |
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| 15:39.45 | tutti | So does that mean that YT will probably block Germans now? |
| 15:39.49 | tutti | That's what I'd do. |
| 15:40.00 | nevcairiel | only from videos that contain audio |
| 15:40.12 | Fisker | easier to just block germany |
| 15:40.18 | tutti | ...well yes :P |
| 15:40.18 | Fisker | infact the internet should've done that a long time ago |
| 15:40.21 | tutti | Block Germany. |
| 15:40.33 | Ketho | bye nev |
| 15:40.54 | tutti | Well if Google decides to just block Germany, they might have to reevaluate that decision. |
| 15:41.00 | foxlit | "[The court in Hamburg] wants the video site to install filters that spot when users try to post music clips whose rights are held by royalty collection group, Gema." |
| 15:41.05 | foxlit | basically, content ID already does that. |
| 15:41.25 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:41.29 | Fisker | i would've sued for content id |
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| 15:42.22 | karl_w_w | "Gema represents about 60,000 German song writers and musicians." that can't be right |
| 15:42.32 | karl_w_w | there's not more than 3 or 4 of them surely |
| 15:42.41 | tutti | Writers, yeah. |
| 15:42.47 | tutti | But anyone can call themselves a musician. |
| 15:43.48 | Fisker | i'm spartacus |
| 15:47.39 | Ketho | lua> os.getenv("OS") |
| 15:47.40 | lua_bot | Ketho: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'getenv' (a nil value) |
| 15:47.46 | mckenziemc | Fisker: i'm your father |
| 15:47.57 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKtuu4r3CHQ#t=15s |
| 15:48.03 | tutti | lua> pp(os) |
| 15:48.04 | lua_bot | tutti: { ["difftime"] = function: 0x8e71490, ["time"] = function: 0x8e6f510, ["setlocale"] = function: 0x8e6f4d8, ["clock"] = function: 0x8e71420, ["date"] = function: 0x8e71458 } (#1) |
| 15:48.46 | tutti | lua> pp(getmetatable(os)) |
| 15:48.46 | lua_bot | tutti: nil |
| 15:50.53 | Cide- | if you wish to experiment |
| 15:50.56 | Cide- | PM lua_bot |
| 15:51.08 | tutti | Cool. |
| 15:52.17 | mckenziemc | "One Pristine Hide, worth 334g, is made by the Vendor spell Vendor using the following components [...]" >.> |
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| 15:54.27 | Unkle | station |
| 15:57.01 | bluspacecow | master |
| 15:57.33 | Ketho | milkshakesss |
| 15:59.24 | Shirik | wat |
| 16:00.01 | Unkle | My station brings all the rebels to the stars… |
| 16:00.28 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 16:00.46 | foxlit | I think you utterly destroyed that rhythm. |
| 16:00.55 | Unkle | good |
| 16:01.25 | Kaylin | damn right, it's no moon! |
| 16:02.43 | bluspacecow | moooooooooooooooooooo shakes |
| 16:03.15 | Unkle | I've got a bad feeling about this. |
| 16:03.26 | Torhal|work | You're scruffy-looking! |
| 16:03.49 | Unkle | I don't care what you smell, get in there! |
| 16:04.22 | bluspacecow | *gets in there* |
| 16:04.25 | Kaylin | my mind took that totally somewhere else. |
| 16:04.34 | Unkle | Mission accomplished. |
| 16:05.03 | Cide- | vomits |
| 16:07.33 | Unkle | bonus points. |
| 16:09.33 | Torhal|work | I used to be a developer until I took a Nerf dart to the knee. |
| 16:10.13 | Kaylin | I used to be a human, 'till I took a zombie to the brain. |
| 16:10.39 | Torhal|work | Kill it with fire? |
| 16:10.55 | Kaylin | then you get burning zombies |
| 16:12.16 | Unkle | At least you have light then. |
| 16:12.29 | Unkle | If it's too dark, you might get eaten by a Grue. |
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| 16:15.30 | Unkle | That's right, I went OLD SCHOOL. Games older than /most/ of you here in this channel. |
| 16:16.04 | Kraps | All open beta players are accepted in at 12:00PM (noon) Pacific. |
| 16:16.09 | alestane | ZORK might predate me by a couple of years. |
| 16:16.15 | Thunder_Child | 3 hours Kraps |
| 16:16.22 | Kraps | laaaaaaaame |
| 16:16.25 | Thunder_Child | dont get your panties in a twist |
| 16:16.34 | mckenziemc | Unkle: cool story FOP |
| 16:16.35 | Kaylin | but they feel good that way tbh. |
| 16:17.24 | Thunder_Child | new product idea? pretwisted panties |
| 16:17.27 | Unkle | I must be old, because I don't understand this "FOP" lingo. |
| 16:17.44 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: I think you can get those in vending machines in Japan. |
| 16:17.54 | Thunder_Child | that preowned |
| 16:17.57 | Thunder_Child | thats* |
| 16:18.06 | Arrowmaster | you can probably get both |
| 16:18.22 | Unkle | Never underestimate market forces. :P |
| 16:19.38 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 16:19.38 | purl | :), Thunder_Child |
| 16:19.50 | mckenziemc | Unkle: fucking old person... but evidently my cousins chose a word that already has a different meaning |
| 16:20.29 | Arrowmaster | on the internet we are all old |
| 16:20.34 | Unkle | Well, I'm getting there. I mean, I'm not really /that/ old, but I'm feeling all the milage today. |
| 16:20.49 | Wobin | ... |
| 16:21.10 | Wobin | Unkle: Have you read "Ready, Player One"? |
| 16:21.28 | Unkle | Wobin: No, not yet. It's on my "to read list" |
| 16:21.33 | Unkle | Scalazi, right? |
| 16:21.35 | Wobin | I suggest you shift it up =) |
| 16:21.54 | Wobin | no, Ernest Cline |
| 16:22.05 | Wobin | I started it last night |
| 16:22.14 | Wobin | (and finished it early this morning ><) |
| 16:22.46 | Wobin | It will definitely appeal to you, it's a very Gen X geek sort of book |
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| 16:23.08 | Unkle | Yeah, you're the third or fourth person I know to suggest it. I've got it on my list, but time is at a premium lately. two betas, raiding, work, and my own novel - I'm out of time for sleep, let alone another novel. |
| 16:24.01 | Wobin | I'm sad however, that the premise of the books doesn't allow for any future stories |
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| 16:24.12 | Wobin | but on the other hand, it's well wrapped up, and that's also good |
| 16:24.22 | Unkle | You should check out "The Hacker and the Ants" |
| 16:25.16 | Wobin | puts it on his list |
| 16:25.58 | starlon | pokes randomly. |
| 16:31.03 | mckenziemc | bites. |
| 16:42.14 | Torhal|work | Unkle: Not as old-school as Zork, but it's close and some crazy bastard disassembled it and rewrote it to run on a PC (original was Atari ST binary) - http://dmweb.free.fr/?q=node/851 |
| 16:44.53 | Unkle | checking it out.. |
| 16:45.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.16 | foxlit | it's that kind of mean? |
| 16:45.22 | foxlit | s/it's/isn't/ |
| 16:45.45 | Kraps | Save 50% on Anno 2070 (PC) This Weekend Only! |
| 16:47.22 | durcyn | isn't that more ubisoft shovelware |
| 16:47.50 | Kraps | its a game? |
| 16:48.07 | Kraps | from a popular franchise? |
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| 17:04.57 | alestane | Unkle, Jerry's last post has some interesting tidbits in it: http://penny-arcade.com/2012/04/18 |
| 17:05.09 | karl_w_w | it's still the ivory coast i dont care what they think :P |
| 17:05.33 | karl_w_w | i dont go round calling german deutschland and that's party cos i dont think i can spell it right but still |
| 17:05.57 | karl_w_w | oh how about that, i can spell it right |
| 17:06.16 | karl_w_w | i do know that i can't spell partly right though |
| 17:06.47 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 17:08.05 | Unkle | "This seemed to happen a lot: games were putting books in front of me that commented out or rewrote whole sections of my thought process. Fahrenheit 451, Nine Princes In Amber, and Rendezvous With Rama all fell into my head via text adventures. " - Oddly, it was the other way around for me. I got excited by games which offered me the chance to keep visiting my favorite stange worlds. |
| 17:08.46 | alestane | I never got very far in the Nine Princes in Amber game, which I owned for the Atari ST. |
| 17:09.22 | alestane | I read the first book and never really understood it. Partly that was because I was about 13. I should try picking it back up some time. |
| 17:09.49 | Unkle | Alas, I grew up a poor child and had no Atari or computer of my own on which to play games. I used those belonging to friends or the library or the computer science labs at school. |
| 17:10.27 | Unkle | alestane: If you managed your way through the Neutronium Alchemist books - Amber is a walk in the park. |
| 17:10.40 | alestane | DId you get to read those, then? |
| 17:10.51 | Unkle | I read them all shortly after they arrived. |
| 17:11.02 | alestane | ANd keep in mind that I was about 28 when I read those. |
| 17:11.11 | alestane | It's a solid story. |
| 17:11.24 | Unkle | Very, very, very heavy on the God allegory. |
| 17:11.47 | alestane | Quinn Dexter is one of the most frightening villains I've encountered. Mostly because I can believe him. |
| 17:11.48 | Unkle | But still, a decent read. |
| 17:12.07 | Unkle | Yes, very much so. |
| 17:13.11 | alestane | Hugh of Austra in Kate Elliott's Crown of Stars is another one, a dedicated ubermensch who simply doesn't say any other person as anything but a resource, an obstacle or a trophy. |
| 17:13.18 | alestane | doesn't see* |
| 17:13.34 | Unkle | You should read Revolt in 2100 |
| 17:13.43 | alestane | I'm not familiar with that work. |
| 17:13.51 | Unkle | R.A. Heinlein |
| 17:14.08 | alestane | I see that. |
| 17:14.20 | Unkle | Novella about a future society in which a group of people fall sway to the Ubermensch ideology. |
| 17:14.37 | Thunder_Child | Hugh gets things done though, i give him that |
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| 17:15.15 | alestane | It's scarce in our library system, only two locations around here have it. |
| 17:15.27 | alestane | Thunder_Child, he does; usually to other people. |
| 17:15.55 | starlon | piddle warf |
| 17:15.57 | Kraps | what in the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=trueview-instream&v=Gk9NokdKBSI |
| 17:15.58 | Unkle | One of my favorite villians of all is The Lady in the Black Compnay novels. She's the lesser evil that keeps greater evil in check. Frighteningly pragmatic and cruelly insightful. |
| 17:16.25 | alestane | My friend Crane is a huge fan of the Black Company series. |
| 17:16.37 | alestane | He got me to read one or two of them back in college. |
| 17:16.46 | alestane | I think you two would probably hit it off famously. |
| 17:16.47 | pompy | http://imgain.com/images/meme22.png |
| 17:16.55 | Unkle | Or, Jon-Baptise Emmanuel Zorg from The Fifth Element. |
| 17:17.26 | Unkle | He's an entertaining villian. |
| 17:17.32 | alestane | The demons in Michelle Sagara-West's Sun Sword books are another example; They literally don't accept ideas like "should" or "must"...only "can" and "will". |
| 17:17.33 | karl_w_w | <3 gary oldman |
| 17:18.20 | Unkle | Gary Oldman was a compelling choice for Gordon in the Batman movies. More so that Christian Bale as the Batman. |
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| 17:31.54 | starlon | The Final Boss - http://imgur.com/BGH8i |
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| 17:42.25 | pompy | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/536083_10151558760965022_14696440021_379280162_807399438_n.jpg |
| 17:47.41 | karl_w_w | why would anyone link a cyanide and happiness strip on imgur? |
| 17:51.07 | Torhal|work | Unkle: The GODDAMN Batman. |
| 17:52.05 | Unkle | Torhal|work: *gravelly voice* I'm BATMAN! |
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| 18:24.59 | TC-Work | "My machine seems to leg for about 30second when ever I do something. Its not specific to a software, firefox or nuke both seem to be having this issue." |
| 18:25.17 | karl_w_w | I'll leg you |
| 18:25.51 | TC-Work | wasnt there some leg meme that happend a while back? |
| 18:27.09 | karl_w_w | i dont know |
| 18:29.56 | Maldivia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUZ-e2SkeMI - got to link this :P |
| 18:32.46 | TC-Work | the response to that "We are having network issues that are impacting all the workstations across the board. It is effecting all applications." |
| 18:32.48 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 18:33.02 | TC-Work | so much fail |
| 18:34.43 | Dagmar | Thirty seconds sounds like a timeout |
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| 18:35.19 | Dagmar | If it was 15 I'd say "go find the guy responsible for AD<->LDAP integration and beat him." |
| 18:35.38 | TC-Work | eh, it's in Vancouver i dont care that much |
| 18:35.46 | Dagmar | Ooooh excellent |
| 18:36.12 | starlon | We're doomed I tell ya. |
| 18:36.21 | starlon | 4/20 is it. |
| 18:37.31 | starlon | Smoke will fill the skies. |
| 18:37.39 | starlon | It's happening now. |
| 18:38.29 | starlon | People's eyes will become red with rage. |
| 18:39.13 | TC-Work | And locusts will descend upon our snaks. |
| 18:39.19 | starlon | People will cry out, "Don't bogart!" |
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| 18:46.57 | Gnarfoz | starlon: yeah, Hitler's birthday, makes people rage |
| 18:47.23 | starlon | lol |
| 18:47.42 | *** join/#wowuidev daev (~bleh@184.18.61.101) |
| 18:50.01 | starlon | All the more reason to suspect conspiracies. |
| 18:50.47 | starlon | I'm thinking chem trails tbh. |
| 18:51.10 | Jamash | more like chum trails |
| 18:51.14 | starlon | http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1033922!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_370/image.jpg |
| 18:51.20 | starlon | Jamash: *nods* |
| 18:51.38 | Jamash | Access to the specified resource (No file path found: /1.1033922) has been forbidden. |
| 18:51.41 | starlon | Oh man oh man what I wouldn't give for a joint. :( |
| 18:52.13 | starlon | Or a bong. |
| 18:52.15 | starlon | :\ |
| 18:52.26 | starlon | I'm 39 years old though. |
| 18:52.41 | starlon | And i'm not sure where I would get it. I don't go out ever. |
| 18:53.34 | TC-Work | One more year, and you will be an old man |
| 18:53.41 | starlon | :( |
| 18:53.59 | starlon | Seems yesterday I was 28. |
| 18:54.19 | starlon | That's when I entered college. Spent 5 years there, and I'm not sure where the rest went. |
| 18:54.20 | TC-Work | if yesterday was 11 years ago then yes |
| 19:03.32 | Fisker | ITS GARBAGE DAY |
| 19:03.37 | *** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~quassel@unaffiliated/airtonix) |
| 19:04.05 | karl_w_w | dumps garbage on Fisker |
| 19:04.40 | mckenziemc | ooh can i help? |
| 19:05.08 | karl_w_w | dumps super awesome post-grunge rock on Fisker |
| 19:05.15 | karl_w_w | think I've got it covered |
| 19:05.25 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 19:05.32 | cbreak | looks like Blizzard has given up on diablo 3. They start a beta but their game doesn't even launch. |
| 19:05.52 | karl_w_w | yes that means they've given up on it |
| 19:06.09 | cbreak | less than a month away from release... |
| 19:06.18 | nevcairiel | launches fine for me |
| 19:06.22 | nevcairiel | not that logging is working |
| 19:06.24 | nevcairiel | login* |
| 19:06.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Wicet|2 (~kvirc@a88-112-120-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:06.32 | airtonix | i derp you |
| 19:06.34 | cbreak | I classify that as part of launching |
| 19:06.51 | nevcairiel | there is a breaking news box that talks about that though =p |
| 19:06.53 | cbreak | how hard can it be to test something like that in alpha? |
| 19:07.06 | cbreak | no breaking news box here. |
| 19:07.17 | karl_w_w | test =/= fix in all scenarios |
| 19:07.18 | airtonix | loosing customers to minecraft is terribly distracting cbreak |
| 19:07.28 | nevcairiel | anyway, login is still disabled |
| 19:07.49 | cbreak | karl_w_w: logging in should be a rather common scenario |
| 19:07.52 | nevcairiel | when you get past the first part, all it says is that battle.net is down for maint |
| 19:11.51 | karl_w_w | cbreak: because everybody in the world lives in the same place and has the same pc and the same operating system and the same ISP |
| 19:12.03 | cbreak | who cares about the ISP? |
| 19:12.32 | cbreak | you wouldn't even need a network connection for a game like Diablo. |
| 19:12.43 | cbreak | but that's not the problem here. |
| 19:13.03 | cbreak | since world of warcraft obviously works. Which is also on battle net. |
| 19:16.24 | nevcairiel | the login servers work fine, just the part that comes after is still unavailable |
| 19:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | diablo 3 login worked fine as of yesterday, they're just working on making sure they're gonna have the servers for the influx of people today |
| 19:16.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna be a stress test so stuff will break |
| 19:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | ~d3status |
| 19:17.02 | cbreak | incompetent noobs... |
| 19:17.28 | cbreak | if they wanted to make it reliable they could just remove the requirement to log in and connect to the server for unneeded things. |
| 19:18.20 | Mr_Rabies | it hasn't been a problem with starcraft |
| 19:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | and it's a pretty reasonable way to handle piracy without any true DRM |
| 19:18.35 | nevcairiel | it also wont be a problem with diablo |
| 19:18.47 | cbreak | Mr_Rabies: you have no clue |
| 19:18.47 | nevcairiel | but this is a stress test, they're not running with live capacity |
| 19:18.52 | nevcairiel | and for a reason at that |
| 19:19.00 | cbreak | have you ever tried to play starcraft without network access? |
| 19:19.05 | cbreak | like while commuting? |
| 19:19.09 | cbreak | I did, three times. |
| 19:19.13 | cbreak | only once the offline mode worked |
| 19:19.26 | cbreak | (and then it was bad because playing starcraft with a trackpad sucks...) |
| 19:19.26 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't even know it had an offline mode, to be honest |
| 19:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | login's working fine now btw |
| 19:21.01 | Mr_Rabies | though character creation's a bit crazy |
| 19:21.13 | cbreak | not the case here. |
| 19:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | it did say about 22k public games were in progress soooo |
| 19:21.28 | Mr_Rabies | there we go, character created |
| 19:21.56 | nevcairiel | if login isnt working, make sure your region is set to america, all the others are not worky for beta |
| 19:22.07 | cbreak | ... good to know... |
| 19:22.38 | nevcairiel | its the default, so you must've fiddled around with the settings :D |
| 19:22.44 | cbreak | hmm... then I need a US battle.net account? |
| 19:22.47 | cbreak | it's not the default |
| 19:22.51 | Gnarfoz | also, the beta did not start 'today' |
| 19:22.55 | cbreak | if you download the enGB diablo beta |
| 19:23.02 | Gnarfoz | beta has been running for half a year almost and will end on may 1st |
| 19:23.26 | Gnarfoz | they're just throwing in an open beta weekend as a stress test before shutting it down |
| 19:23.27 | cbreak | and they still can't get logging in working? Pittyfull. |
| 19:23.30 | Maldivia | it's been running for almost 8 months, that's more than half a year |
| 19:23.34 | AcidWeb | cbreak: You can use any version. |
| 19:23.36 | Gnarfoz | login has been working fine |
| 19:23.54 | Gnarfoz | just go outside, run around the block once or twice, maybe that'll calm your raging down a bit :P |
| 19:23.55 | cbreak | error 3003 and now error 75 |
| 19:24.02 | cbreak | there are no blocks around here |
| 19:24.13 | Gnarfoz | then go wherever the fuck but stop raging irrationally. |
| 19:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | post on the mmo champion forums |
| 19:24.25 | Mr_Rabies | they will love you |
| 19:24.32 | cbreak | I am raging rationally. |
| 19:24.34 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 19:25.14 | Mr_Rabies | there's no rational way to rage at a beta |
| 19:25.32 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitch@2E6B3AE7.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 19:25.36 | cbreak | You sure? I intentionally cut back on the exclamation marks... |
| 19:26.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah, pretty sure |
| 19:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | either you tell them what's broken and if possible suggest a fix and accept that they'll fix it shortly hopefully or you're raging irrationally |
| 19:26.10 | Unkle | RAGEFACE! |
| 19:26.21 | cbreak | I proposed a fix above |
| 19:26.24 | Mr_Rabies | 31k public games |
| 19:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | well, we're not blizzard so your fix goes nowhere |
| 19:26.47 | Gnarfoz | you proposed something to nobody who gives a damn or can do anything about it :P |
| 19:26.54 | cbreak | I don't think blizzard takes my recommendations to heart now, since they didn't take them to heart last year either. |
| 19:27.21 | nevcairiel | my guess is that is because you're a ranting troll :) |
| 19:27.22 | Gnarfoz | they don't take "to heart" (brain would make more sense) what they don't hear |
| 19:27.34 | cbreak | nevcairiel: no |
| 19:27.49 | cbreak | it's because blizzard wants to bind people to battle.net even if there's not technical reason to do that |
| 19:28.11 | Gnarfoz | so what? that's an entirely different discussion that has nothing to do with the login servers being strained on a stress test weekend. |
| 19:28.23 | cbreak | nevcairiel: they even do that with Starcraft 2, to the point that professional tournaments have to repeat final matches because of some lame server problems |
| 19:28.24 | Gnarfoz | not using the login servers is not a solution for that :P |
| 19:28.33 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: there are 31k public games right now? |
| 19:28.54 | nevcairiel | and one of them is mine |
| 19:28.57 | nevcairiel | wanders off to play |
| 19:29.09 | Maldivia | I'm playing the login screen right now |
| 19:29.20 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: not using the login server would make the experience much smoother |
| 19:29.30 | Gnarfoz | it would make the experience impossible, since it's not a single-player game |
| 19:29.43 | cbreak | yeah, and? |
| 19:29.46 | Jamash | cbreak: you want a single-player stress test? |
| 19:29.50 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't have an integrated server for lan/single player mode |
| 19:30.09 | cbreak | yeah. Sad. |
| 19:30.35 | Gnarfoz | I don't like the no lan part either, but changing their feature set is not a solution to overcrowded login servers on a free to play open beta stress test weekend |
| 19:30.47 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. your complaint is valid, but not for the problems you're currently facing :P) |
| 19:31.02 | cbreak | I could stress test my lan all on my own :( |
| 19:31.17 | Jamash | go download a [redacted] then |
| 19:31.19 | Gnarfoz | you can do that with... smb! http! scp? maybe not scp |
| 19:31.44 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: that's only 10 bytes, that's not enough |
| 19:31.48 | Maldivia | this is a stress-test after all |
| 19:32.00 | Gnarfoz | we're testing cbreak's stress levels |
| 19:32.28 | nevcairiel | once you're in game, you dont notice any strain, everything is smooth |
| 19:32.31 | cbreak | so far it's still stable. |
| 19:32.32 | nevcairiel | so thats a plus |
| 19:32.58 | cbreak | nevcairiel: not unexpected considering it's a game for just a few players |
| 19:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | 36k public games |
| 19:33.09 | Gnarfoz | unless they changed much, I doubt I'm going to bother hammering the login screen ^^ |
| 19:33.27 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: uhm... that doesn't matter since the load just scales with the number of games then? |
| 19:33.30 | cbreak | they could make one of the players the server, or just a lightweight router between the peers |
| 19:33.39 | Mr_Rabies | 38k |
| 19:33.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and then you'd have d2 open bnet style cheating again |
| 19:33.44 | Gnarfoz | great! |
| 19:33.57 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: at best the games would only need the server for setup |
| 19:34.12 | karl_w_w | <cbreak> they could make one of the players the server <- worst solution ever? |
| 19:34.20 | Kraps | where do i dl the d3 beta |
| 19:34.25 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: is that playes or games, can't remember? |
| 19:34.28 | Gnarfoz | at best, you'd apply for a job at Blizzard and spare us your whining :| |
| 19:34.39 | cbreak | karl_w_w: p2p is rather popular |
| 19:34.51 | nevcairiel | popular, yes, a good idea, no |
| 19:34.56 | cbreak | sure it is. |
| 19:34.59 | Gnarfoz | not really |
| 19:35.02 | Maldivia | Kraps: from the battle.net account page |
| 19:35.02 | cbreak | if it works for malware then it works for games. |
| 19:35.05 | karl_w_w | https://us.battle.net/account/download/index.xml Kraps |
| 19:35.11 | Gnarfoz | except malware has no latency requirements |
| 19:35.19 | karl_w_w | when something is the only option, it often is pretty popular yes cbreak |
| 19:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | games, Maldivia |
| 19:35.28 | Maldivia | so x4 for players P |
| 19:35.31 | Maldivia | nice |
| 19:35.34 | Mr_Rabies | wait no |
| 19:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | i think it is players |
| 19:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 19:35.46 | nevcairiel | i'm alone in my game, so no x4 |
| 19:35.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it is |
| 19:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | 40k |
| 19:36.07 | Dagmar | People claiming the Blizz downloader is slow should submit intelligible traffic analysis details or be plonked. |
| 19:36.26 | karl_w_w | Dagmar my downloader is slow fix it |
| 19:36.27 | Dagmar | Also, anyone who has tampered with the nagle settings should have their fingers slammed in a door. |
| 19:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | it is slow for me, like 10k down slow usually |
| 19:36.39 | Mr_Rabies | because it caps out my upload |
| 19:36.40 | cbreak | downloading was no problem here, stable 15mbit to 20mbit downstream. |
| 19:36.41 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Upgrade from Tin Cans and String Internet |
| 19:36.43 | Mr_Rabies | and chokes my download |
| 19:36.46 | Mr_Rabies | man, i wish i could |
| 19:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | not an option out here |
| 19:36.59 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: get a better router or turn off p2p :P |
| 19:36.59 | Dagmar | Then be glad you're doing 10k using tin cans and string |
| 19:37.07 | Mr_Rabies | turning off p2p kills it |
| 19:37.10 | cbreak | Mr_Rabies: traffic shaping routers work wonders |
| 19:37.13 | Dagmar | THe thing it just like it's practically always been |
| 19:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's at&t's problem |
| 19:37.21 | Dagmar | There's always an http entry in the list of sources. |
| 19:37.32 | Mr_Rabies | this router has pretty decent QoS, but it's at&t's awful network |
| 19:37.34 | Gnarfoz | their cdn isn't always fast, sadly |
| 19:37.35 | karl_w_w | go into your router and prioritize inbound traffic |
| 19:37.56 | Dagmar | It's Amazon's CDN. |
| 19:37.57 | cbreak | Mr_Rabies: if you have a router where you can install DDWRT or Tomato then you can easily limit upstream and prevent problems with lack of upstream causing download problems |
| 19:37.58 | Mr_Rabies | inbound traffic has no purpose when the modem's running at&t firmware and controls all that |
| 19:38.01 | Gnarfoz | it's actually not, Dagmar |
| 19:38.09 | Dagmar | The DNS names sure look like it is |
| 19:38.13 | Gnarfoz | it's limelight networks + akamai, depending. |
| 19:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | my modem handles upload/download stuff, not the router |
| 19:38.16 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 19:38.19 | Fisker | it's garbage day? |
| 19:38.23 | Gnarfoz | it's hitler's birthday |
| 19:38.27 | Dagmar | Okay so in that case people show stop using shitty DNS servers |
| 19:38.32 | Dagmar | s/show/should/ |
| 19:38.36 | Mr_Rabies | and my modem is the only decent one at&t offers |
| 19:39.08 | karl_w_w | you can't get your own? |
| 19:39.08 | Dagmar | I'm on an oversubscribed Comcast connection and it was pulling a solid 1.8Mb/s the whole 7.6 gb |
| 19:39.08 | Mr_Rabies | nope, won't work |
| 19:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | you need a specialized one for at&t southeast |
| 19:39.16 | Gnarfoz | my entire connection is only 3.5 Mbit/s, so... :| |
| 19:39.25 | Gnarfoz | (and ~400 Kbit/s up) |
| 19:39.30 | cbreak | Just put a router behind the modem for QoS if you want. |
| 19:39.32 | karl_w_w | what a lame setup |
| 19:39.49 | Jamash | put a router in your router so you can route while you route |
| 19:39.53 | Gnarfoz | and I still don't see a reason why their horribly stripped down bittorrent client doesn't have an option to use p2p but limit upload to a freely configurable limit |
| 19:39.56 | Dagmar | Jamash++ |
| 19:40.09 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: me either |
| 19:40.14 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: that's almost as good as the javascript sandbox written in javascript... js.js |
| 19:40.23 | Dagmar | Ganrfoz: That would be because a properly functioning connection is bidirectional. |
| 19:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | i have a router behind the modem, but the modem is what handles all traffic between the internet and my network |
| 19:40.26 | cbreak | if AT&T is as crap as you describe that might not help, but here I limit my upstream to a bit less than 7Mbit so that there will always be some space for high priority packets |
| 19:40.33 | cbreak | depending on the packet type |
| 19:40.39 | Dagmar | If your upstream speed affects your downloads that much, something is fucked up in your connection |
| 19:40.40 | cbreak | things like acks get prioritized too. |
| 19:40.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's just how DSL seems to work , Dagmar |
| 19:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | :/ |
| 19:40.58 | cbreak | Dagmar: that's how TCP works |
| 19:41.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah, TCP at work |
| 19:41.09 | Dagmar | cbreak: I'm quite aware of how TCP works, thanks |
| 19:41.17 | Mr_Rabies | my upstream doesn't affect my downstream until i've capped out the upstream |
| 19:41.23 | nevcairiel | around here they actually offer you connections with such a low upload speed that you cant reliably max out the download |
| 19:41.25 | Mr_Rabies | in which case my downstream completely breaks |
| 19:41.26 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 19:41.27 | Dagmar | You really have to work at it to make the acks screw things up |
| 19:41.31 | Jamash | I hear excessive buffering causes problems with transfers |
| 19:41.32 | Fisker | not so hey Dagmar |
| 19:41.32 | airtonix | die Fisker |
| 19:41.38 | Fisker | especially not hey airtonix |
| 19:41.41 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: exactly, and the blizzard downloader saturates upstream without second thought on small upstreams |
| 19:41.44 | airtonix | DIE DIE DIE |
| 19:41.47 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, Gnarfoz |
| 19:41.49 | Fisker | not even close Gnarfoz |
| 19:41.58 | Fisker | l2internet |
| 19:42.02 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: Joker's death day, too, and others |
| 19:42.03 | airtonix | he sounds mad |
| 19:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | if i limit my torrents to 10k upload i get my maximum of about 500 K/s |
| 19:42.21 | Mr_Rabies | if i remove the limit, i get about 2K/s |
| 19:42.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yay 100 MBit/s down with 2 MBit/s up. haha |
| 19:42.30 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 19:42.32 | Jamash | https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/ |
| 19:42.49 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: 100 MBit down, 7MBit up here. Seems more reasonable. |
| 19:43.21 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: indeed, while still quite skewed in one direction |
| 19:43.35 | cbreak | TV Cable internet. |
| 19:43.45 | cbreak | they make it that way intentionally for residential use |
| 19:43.50 | Gnarfoz | you say that as if the bandwidths on that were standardised in any form or way |
| 19:43.52 | cbreak | because they think people download more than upload |
| 19:44.02 | karl_w_w | 24576 / 1024 kbps here |
| 19:44.12 | Dagmar | They want people to be mindless consumers |
| 19:44.20 | cbreak | I have 100Mbit down but in practice I get 30MBit best :( |
| 19:44.21 | Gnarfoz | oh, "They" |
| 19:44.21 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:44.25 | Dagmar | Anyone who isn't mindless has to pay more money |
| 19:44.37 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I would, but they offer NOTHING that has better upstream :P |
| 19:45.19 | cbreak | no other providers? |
| 19:45.21 | Dagmar | "They" is easier to type than "Every fucking Cable company that decided being an ISP would be a cool way to remonetize their aging infrastructure while simultaneously taking money from the gov't for upgrades they don't perform anyway" |
| 19:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | 3 Mbit down, 512 kbit up here |
| 19:45.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, exactly those "They" |
| 19:45.39 | Mr_Rabies | i had faster internet in 2002 |
| 19:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | at&t is letting bellsouth's old lines fall apart |
| 19:46.04 | Dagmar | This is one of those cases where maybe a non-profit gov't run "competitor" would be a good thing. |
| 19:46.07 | airtonix | maybe you should move to europe |
| 19:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | i get disconnected every four hours on the dot and my latency sucks compared to a few years ago |
| 19:46.13 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: or australia |
| 19:46.17 | Dagmar | ...because by now, they should be doing their goddamn video over multicast. |
| 19:46.19 | airtonix | no not here |
| 19:46.24 | karl_w_w | no Gnarfoz |
| 19:46.25 | airtonix | here sucks dogs bawls |
| 19:46.27 | karl_w_w | just no |
| 19:46.34 | Mr_Rabies | totally worth the $45-50 a month or so for this awful internet |
| 19:46.39 | Mr_Rabies | but i have no other options |
| 19:46.39 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 19:46.45 | Gnarfoz | why? at least they have PLANS to do national broadband infrastructure |
| 19:46.54 | Dagmar | As it stands, most of them are basically doing a shit job of managing their infrastructure. |
| 19:46.57 | airtonix | you sound mad |
| 19:47.02 | Gnarfoz | no idea how that worked out so far, though |
| 19:47.03 | karl_w_w | as long as they dont lose the next election Gnarfoz |
| 19:47.06 | karl_w_w | which they will |
| 19:47.09 | cbreak | it's nice here in europe :) |
| 19:47.16 | Gnarfoz | you should do something about that, then, if you want it |
| 19:47.18 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 19:47.29 | airtonix | apparently singapore is awesome too |
| 19:47.34 | karl_w_w | election fraud? ok |
| 19:47.37 | airtonix | if you like to walk evvery where |
| 19:47.43 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: ...that's definitely "something" |
| 19:47.52 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: depends... I'm in Europe, too and I have 3.5/0.4 DSL ;} |
| 19:48.06 | cbreak | :/ |
| 19:48.09 | Gnarfoz | there's a lot of bald spots |
| 19:48.09 | cbreak | where's that? |
| 19:48.11 | Gnarfoz | Germany |
| 19:48.12 | Gnarfoz | :F |
| 19:48.16 | cbreak | oh! |
| 19:48.25 | airtonix | lawl |
| 19:48.25 | karl_w_w | this is a country where the opposition party has no idea how the internet works and the party in power wants to filter it |
| 19:48.26 | Gnarfoz | we should all move to ... Hungary? |
| 19:48.26 | cbreak | I thought you'd have better network up in the north |
| 19:48.34 | cbreak | here in switzerland it's fast at least... |
| 19:48.44 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: where's that Ensidia guy from again |
| 19:48.47 | cbreak | unless you live in the mountains or something :/ |
| 19:48.47 | Dagmar | Damn communists. |
| 19:48.50 | nevcairiel | there is plenty good network |
| 19:48.52 | Dagmar | Doing things right. |
| 19:48.56 | nevcairiel | just also spots without |
| 19:48.59 | Dagmar | Shame on you all |
| 19:49.00 | Kraps | i'm playing tera |
| 19:49.03 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: which one |
| 19:49.10 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: the bw author guy |
| 19:49.13 | Gnarfoz | damn my memory is bad |
| 19:49.15 | Dagmar | Oh wait no they're socialists up there |
| 19:49.31 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: hungary or so |
| 19:49.38 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: yeah, that's what I recall |
| 19:49.42 | Gnarfoz | not sure where "up there" is btw |
| 19:49.42 | Dagmar | Same thing tho'. HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE VALUE THE COMMON WEAL OVER CURRENCY |
| 19:49.45 | karl_w_w | south korea have the best internet i think |
| 19:49.53 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: THey cheat |
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| 19:50.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 19:50.05 | Gnarfoz | no, they invest. |
| 19:50.06 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 19:50.14 | Dagmar | It's not a fair comparison when you can link networks using some string and a compound bow |
| 19:50.36 | Gnarfoz | a-ha. |
| 19:50.39 | Dagmar | If all our shit was just across the street from all our other shit, we'd have great internets everywhere here, too |
| 19:50.46 | Gnarfoz | I doubt that |
| 19:50.47 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:50.53 | Gnarfoz | because that's certainly not what's holding you back |
| 19:51.02 | Dagmar | Well, yeah, venture capitalists would surely find a way to create scarcity out of nothing |
| 19:51.20 | Dagmar | ...but I'm not kidding about proximity being the main reason SK roflstomps places for throughput |
| 19:51.36 | karl_w_w | and latency |
| 19:51.43 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 19:51.52 | karl_w_w | when you can count your wow ping on your fingers |
| 19:51.57 | Gnarfoz | (compared to USA USA USA everything is right next to each other in Germany and they still manage to not have FTTH for everyone, or anything remotely as insane as in .kr) |
| 19:52.16 | Dagmar | They've been around longer |
| 19:52.22 | Gnarfoz | who? what |
| 19:52.27 | Dagmar | Most of SK's construction is comparatively new |
| 19:52.36 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 19:52.45 | Gnarfoz | old shit can be replaced |
| 19:52.46 | Dagmar | They _really_ got on the "Commerce, not ordnance" train |
| 19:53.11 | Dagmar | Old shit can be replaced, once you move everyone out, demolish the old stuff, and then rebuild |
| 19:53.19 | Gnarfoz | but instead of upgrading fibers or TO fiber your tax money is spent on TAPPING fibers :D |
| 19:53.33 | Dagmar | Jungle wildlife doesn't sue or claim historical preservation |
| 19:53.36 | Gnarfoz | you need to move someone out to replace copper cables with fiber cables? :D |
| 19:53.54 | Gnarfoz | you must be living 4/20 to the fullest |
| 19:54.22 | Dagmar | When you've got a substantial number of buildings that barely even kept electricity in mind? |
| 19:54.35 | Dagmar | Not all building methods are equal when it comes to snaking cables |
| 19:54.43 | Gnarfoz | I guess you should start with stopping to build homes out of wood, first |
| 19:54.44 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: a coworker told me that they had fiber in germany in the past, and wanted to use it, but somehow it didn't work out since people stuck with ISDN |
| 19:54.49 | Jamash | satellite fiber imo |
| 19:54.53 | cbreak | and then they switched to DSL which works over copper |
| 19:55.02 | Jamash | skyhooks |
| 19:55.10 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: quite a bit off, technically, but something like that happened, yeah |
| 19:55.27 | TC-Work | Kraps: does the actionbar unlock work for you? |
| 19:55.43 | cbreak | the provider I am here now claims to expand their fiber last mile infrastructure |
| 19:55.51 | cbreak | but not sure how far that'll progress |
| 19:56.00 | Dagmar | Germany got to rebuild after WWII. |
| 19:56.09 | Jamash | copper fiber |
| 19:56.10 | Dagmar | South Korea got to rebuild after the Vietnam war |
| 19:56.10 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: haha, fuck off |
| 19:56.15 | Stanzilla | rofl |
| 19:56.20 | Dagmar | There's a *huge* difference in the way those buildings went up |
| 19:56.22 | Stanzilla | that's like the worst thing I ever heard |
| 19:56.22 | cbreak | Dagmar: everyone got to rebuild |
| 19:56.29 | Dagmar | I am not kidding about this |
| 19:56.30 | cbreak | Dagmar: the question is wether they did it or not |
| 19:56.36 | Dagmar | Go down there and see |
| 19:56.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: vietnam and korea were different wars |
| 19:56.45 | Jamash | ^ |
| 19:57.00 | Dagmar | Whatever, there's still a massive time difference between when a lot of rapid deconstruction happened |
| 19:57.05 | cbreak | Dagmar: it's just that some cultures prefer to stick with what they have |
| 19:57.09 | cbreak | and not to invest into the future |
| 19:57.14 | karl_w_w | what they need to do is finish working on transporters, then we can just build a mega city and every1 and live there with perfect internet |
| 19:57.20 | cbreak | like a transnational power grid as they plan here in europe |
| 19:57.37 | Dagmar | cbreak: Very bad idea if they put it in private hands |
| 19:57.39 | zenzelezz | trying to run SC2 on this antiquated laptop makes me wish I hadn't broken my Wine installation |
| 19:57.40 | Gnarfoz | especially the usually cheap-ass wooden US homes could easily be replaced, not so much our 100+ years old brick houses in ZE GERMANY |
| 19:57.45 | cbreak | karl_w_w: would you send your molecules over todays internet? |
| 19:57.57 | karl_w_w | no |
| 19:58.03 | cbreak | Dagmar: that's why it's government controlled :) |
| 19:58.09 | Dagmar | GOOD. |
| 19:58.12 | cbreak | well, at least partially |
| 19:58.18 | Dagmar | I'm still mad at the shit Cal-Edison pulled |
| 19:58.20 | Jamash | yes because korea was building lots of optical fiber in 1953 (rolleyes) |
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| 19:58.42 | Gnarfoz | wasn't transportation basically found to be technically impossible already? (at least based loosely around what Star Trek proposed) |
| 19:58.47 | Dagmar | If *I* were to go to the gov't and say "I need ten million dollars or I will begin causing rolling brownouts" they'd arrest me |
| 19:59.01 | Dagmar | When Cal-Edison does it, it's "shrewd business" |
| 19:59.21 | cbreak | here we shut down powerplants because they are dangerous. |
| 19:59.25 | cbreak | (perceived to be) |
| 19:59.37 | Dagmar | Yeah during that they shut down powerplants to _guarantee_ a shortage |
| 19:59.44 | Gnarfoz | basically, they should already arrest you now because you're claiming (in inverse) that there should be a war on US ground so that you can have faster internets. |
| 19:59.48 | cbreak | and now the government has to discuss what they want to have instead of the nuclear ones... and they have no clue |
| 20:00.06 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Hardly |
| 20:00.13 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: just a matter of time. |
| 20:00.21 | Dagmar | Our problem is stodgy companies thinking they can low-ball everything |
| 20:00.24 | Gnarfoz | then they should just arrest you for shits and giggles, I heard they do that now, too |
| 20:00.30 | Jamash | hell, I've said that what san francisco needs is to be demolished and rebuilt again |
| 20:00.32 | Gnarfoz | or any other person ^^ |
| 20:00.40 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, but if you really want cutting edge infrastructure, you have to fucking pay your engineers non-trivial salaries |
| 20:00.59 | Dagmar | Jamash: what? They just did that about 20 years ago |
| 20:01.08 | Jamash | preferably without the earthquake and fire |
| 20:01.13 | Jamash | Dagmar: the whole thing |
| 20:01.15 | Dagmar | Why not? It's free |
| 20:01.36 | Jamash | have you ever tried to drive in san francisco |
| 20:01.42 | Dagmar | There's whole chunks of the Marina district that are brand-spanking new |
| 20:01.46 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 20:01.50 | Dagmar | With a stickshift even |
| 20:01.55 | Jamash | have you ever tried to *turn left* in san francisco |
| 20:01.56 | Gnarfoz | like that's something special |
| 20:02.03 | Dagmar | That shit is _exciting_ when you've never been taught how to drive a stick |
| 20:02.14 | Gnarfoz | which is... a failure in an of itself |
| 20:02.17 | cbreak | Drive a stick? You're a witch or something? |
| 20:02.18 | Gnarfoz | +d |
| 20:02.29 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: that's cool lingo for "manual transmission" |
| 20:02.34 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Considering that most of the place went straight from being third floor walk-ups to ground floor apartments, yeah |
| 20:02.36 | cbreak | oh. Old cars. |
| 20:02.50 | zenzelezz | hardly old; just Americans can't handle them |
| 20:02.51 | Gnarfoz | current cars, too |
| 20:02.59 | Jamash | he means a pump-action transmission instead of a fully automatic transmission |
| 20:03.00 | Dagmar | I felt like I was driving a go kart around the city |
| 20:03.10 | Dagmar | Some old Honda with a squishy clutch |
| 20:03.11 | Gnarfoz | at least over here if you do your drivers's licence in an automatic car, you're not allowed to drive manual ones :D |
| 20:03.12 | Stanzilla | would love to hear how they could rebuild everything after ww2 when we had like -389238479382 money and no ressources |
| 20:03.27 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: US$$$ |
| 20:03.30 | Gnarfoz | obviously. |
| 20:03.37 | Stanzilla | yes OFC |
| 20:03.48 | Gnarfoz | WE NEED MORE MINERALS |
| 20:04.01 | Dagmar | Oh, my mistake. Clearly there's just miles and miles of rubble still |
| 20:04.12 | Gnarfoz | everywhere. |
| 20:04.27 | Dagmar | They never rebuilt because it was too expensive so they just made piles of rubble the new standard |
| 20:04.33 | Gnarfoz | just like all infrastructurally relevant buildings in the US are from the 1800's |
| 20:04.37 | Jamash | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Coal_and_Steel_Community_%281945%E2%80%931957%29 |
| 20:05.22 | Dagmar | Jamash: You say "pump-action transmission"... How did you know that was my approach to the clutch? |
| 20:05.35 | Jamash | I've lived in san francisco |
| 20:05.41 | Dagmar | . o O (Okay, I'm on a steep hill, about to try to go up it when the light changes...) |
| 20:05.48 | Gnarfoz | use the handbrake. |
| 20:05.59 | Dagmar | . o O (Rev it, slam the stick, and pray it doesn't stall!) |
| 20:06.12 | cbreak | has a driver. |
| 20:06.26 | Gnarfoz | I guess I know why manual transmissions are not "in" in the US: you can't drive! |
| 20:06.29 | Dagmar | I'd need four arms to use the steering wheel, the shifter, the handbrake, and smoke a joint at the same time, man. |
| 20:06.32 | Dagmar | Unpossible! |
| 20:06.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe 2 heads would better contain your consciousness, too |
| 20:07.22 | Dagmar | Of course, some crazy people might just use the actual footbrake instead of wearing out the handbrake |
| 20:07.32 | Gnarfoz | (not sure what you'd need to touch the shifter for when at a light... you just need one for the handbrake and an optional one for the wheel. joint: just keep in mout) |
| 20:07.35 | Gnarfoz | +h |
| 20:07.47 | Dagmar | ...because when you park the thing in San Francisco, your handbrake had *better not* be all used up. |
| 20:08.04 | Gnarfoz | it's not much wear when you just use it to start while at an angle. |
| 20:08.52 | Dagmar | First time I went down there, the car rental place tried to "upgrade" me to a lincoln |
| 20:09.13 | Dagmar | My immediate response was "Do I look that fucking stupid>" |
| 20:09.22 | Gnarfoz | (also, when parking on a hill: turn your wheels to the curb and leave the car in gear.) |
| 20:09.43 | Dagmar | little "curb your wheels" signs all over where there's street parking on hills |
| 20:09.49 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:09.50 | cbreak | how about parking 90 degrees rotated? :) |
| 20:10.06 | Dagmar | cbreak; Heavy metal door on car... |
| 20:10.12 | Gnarfoz | I guess many people DO "look that fucking stupid" if there's signs necessary for that |
| 20:10.13 | Jamash | I want a car that can turn all four wheels at a right angle to make parallel parking trivial |
| 20:10.18 | Dagmar | *oops* dinged your door, sorry |
| 20:10.37 | Dagmar | Jamash: Get a smart car. You can just pull straight into a parallel spot |
| 20:10.44 | Jamash | don't care! |
| 20:10.46 | Dagmar | Park two of them side by side and save on the meters |
| 20:11.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's nice |
| 20:11.16 | Gnarfoz | (and even legal, some places here. :D) |
| 20:11.23 | Dagmar | It should be legal everywhere. |
| 20:11.25 | Jamash | park one on top of the other |
| 20:11.35 | Dagmar | If giant SUVs are allowed to park in them, smart cars should be able to park sideways |
| 20:11.42 | Jamash | no |
| 20:11.48 | Jamash | park one /inside/ the other |
| 20:11.58 | Dagmar | I think you could probably do that |
| 20:12.07 | Jamash | then park the second one inside the first one |
| 20:12.14 | Jamash | 0 parking spaces used |
| 20:12.21 | Gnarfoz | magic! |
| 20:12.39 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/562/ |
| 20:12.41 | Dagmar | Use the Range Rover for long hauls, and when you get near, park it, and drop the escape pod car out the back like a runabout |
| 20:12.43 | TC-Work | or they could have made the jeep hurricane, that would work as well. |
| 20:13.14 | Dagmar | I love people who double-park |
| 20:13.19 | Jamash | did you just make a DS9 reference? |
| 20:13.22 | TC-Work | all the wheels at 45 deg. |
| 20:13.22 | cbreak | alestane: that should be tested IRL. |
| 20:13.40 | Dagmar | Jamash: Not really. It's just pretty close to the same way the SUV/smartcar thing would function |
| 20:13.41 | Kraps | TC-Work, hmm? |
| 20:13.48 | Jamash | so, yes? |
| 20:13.53 | TC-Work | Kraps: hmm what? |
| 20:13.56 | Dagmar | If I didnt' drive a tiny ass 325i, I could be using my 125cc scooter that way |
| 20:14.06 | Kraps | [03:55]TC-Work[#wowuidev] Kraps: does the actionbar unlock work for you? |
| 20:14.11 | Dagmar | Any 'full sized' car I can put the thing in the trunk |
| 20:14.22 | TC-Work | Kraps: and whats confusing about that for you? |
| 20:14.32 | olafski | 325i, is that a bmw? |
| 20:14.36 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 20:14.41 | olafski | and you call that tiny? :s |
| 20:14.42 | Dagmar | It's basically a roller-skate |
| 20:14.44 | Kraps | i have no idea what that is sooo |
| 20:14.53 | Gnarfoz | tiny 2.5 l, lol |
| 20:14.56 | Jamash | all cars are basically roller skates |
| 20:14.57 | Dagmar | I'm in a city where fully a third of the vehicles are SUvs |
| 20:14.58 | TC-Work | Kraps: unlocking the buttons on the actionbar |
| 20:15.01 | TC-Work | to move them |
| 20:15.07 | TC-Work | to another place |
| 20:15.08 | olafski | dagmar: hah, you wouldn't even _see_ my car there |
| 20:15.10 | Gnarfoz | the 316i is the tiny one |
| 20:15.10 | TC-Work | on the actionbar |
| 20:15.12 | olafski | (I drive an alfa mito) |
| 20:15.28 | Dagmar | This is a '91 325i. |
| 20:15.37 | Dagmar | It is not the more reasonably-sized newer ones |
| 20:15.55 | olafski | as long as it's not a 1-series |
| 20:16.16 | Dagmar | olafski: That right there is basically the exact reason I have a loud stereo on my scooter |
| 20:16.19 | Gnarfoz | I'm talking about the displacement |
| 20:16.32 | olafski | dagmar: what is? :s |
| 20:16.38 | Kraps | TC-Work, fot the shortcuts, yeah |
| 20:16.46 | Dagmar | olafski: motherfuckers who don't "see" me |
| 20:16.50 | olafski | oh :) |
| 20:16.55 | olafski | well, don't really have that problem here |
| 20:16.56 | Dagmar | It would help if they actually looked where they're going |
| 20:17.04 | olafski | SUVs are becoming more prevalent but still very not the standard |
| 20:17.18 | Jamash | there should be a permit process for SUVs |
| 20:17.24 | Dagmar | I made some more money for a dent removal company this morning in fact |
| 20:17.28 | Kraps | is the D3 setup supposed to be stuck at updating setup files this lonk |
| 20:17.34 | Kraps | long* |
| 20:17.40 | olafski | and what we call SUV is probably what americans would call "4 wheel drive shopping cart" |
| 20:17.50 | Dagmar | Kraps: it'll take a while to wade through 7.6gb of checksums |
| 20:17.52 | Jamash | you should need to prove (with evidence) that you have a reasonable basis for needing such a vehicle |
| 20:18.14 | olafski | jamash: you mean like if you're a rapper :) |
| 20:18.21 | Dagmar | Probably two-thirds of those thigns would be off the road over that |
| 20:18.32 | Jamash | "to sit higher and be sure that the other guy dies in an accident instead of me" are not valid reasons |
| 20:18.32 | Dagmar | If you have *one* damn kid, you don't need a giant SUV |
| 20:18.44 | olafski | I do love seeing those huge cars though |
| 20:18.50 | olafski | probably because they're so uncommon here |
| 20:18.59 | Jamash | in fact, those would both result in license suspension |
| 20:19.01 | olafski | if I see a ford f150 I can't help but be amazed :) |
| 20:19.03 | Dagmar | Wait until one is trying to merge into you |
| 20:19.19 | Jamash | the first time I saw a stretch SUV I died a little inside |
| 20:19.31 | olafski | kraps: don't worry, when it's installed you'll be waiting to log in :P |
| 20:19.51 | Kraps | heh |
| 20:20.03 | olafski | wtb auto retry button :P |
| 20:20.18 | starlon | 4/21 - National Surprise Drug Test Day. |
| 20:20.32 | Dagmar | If the police wouldn't get upset about it (for some reason they take a dim view of medieval weapons in public) I would have a pair of morning stars mounted on the bike in plain view |
| 20:20.39 | Gnarfoz | as long as it's just "national", I don't care, because that usually means "US" |
| 20:21.05 | Dagmar | Starlon: There are two responses to such things, which are highly effective |
| 20:21.11 | Jamash | International Talk Like A Stoner Day |
| 20:21.14 | Dagmar | starlon: 1. "Okay, open your mouth" |
| 20:21.21 | Dagmar | 2. "Upper management, first." |
| 20:21.36 | Jamash | dude |
| 20:21.37 | starlon | heh |
| 20:21.41 | mckenziemc | Kraps: mine kept getting stuck, then MoP installer got stuck the same way, then i moved ProgramData\Battle.net, ProgramData\Blizzard Entertainment, and Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Blizzard Entertainment and it worked |
| 20:21.45 | mckenziemc | (win 7 x64) |
| 20:22.02 | Jamash | Utah actually has a law that if employees have to be drug tested so does management |
| 20:22.04 | Gnarfoz | that's a bit radical, deleting the battle.net agent is usually enough |
| 20:22.13 | Dagmar | Good for them |
| 20:22.16 | Jamash | one of the only good things about utah |
| 20:22.17 | Gnarfoz | management doesn't count as employees in the US? |
| 20:22.23 | Gnarfoz | *don't |
| 20:22.26 | mckenziemc | i didn't know which one so i just deleted all of them >.> |
| 20:22.28 | Jamash | no, they're aristocrats |
| 20:22.36 | Jamash | serfs are different |
| 20:22.47 | Dagmar | Not suprisingly, they'll all claim to be above suspicion on such matters |
| 20:23.01 | Gnarfoz | and I thought India was the country with castes and such. |
| 20:23.02 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:23.18 | Dagmar | No, they're just one of the last to be up-front about it |
| 20:23.21 | Jamash | every country has castes |
| 20:25.48 | Jamash | well, I've been trying to log in to the stress test for an hour and a half now, time to take a nap |
| 20:28.19 | Gnarfoz | funny, I've been in twice but I don't even want to play, I just checked if I could get it |
| 20:28.22 | Gnarfoz | *in |
| 20:43.59 | karl_w_w | are there different regions? |
| 20:44.09 | karl_w_w | yes, yes there are |
| 20:44.23 | karl_w_w | ticklez Cairenn |
| 20:44.29 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 20:46.26 | foxlit | well, this must've been hilariously unfortunate. |
| 20:46.35 | foxlit | 7 pool met with a cannon rush :/ |
| 20:47.40 | alestane | Oops. |
| 20:47.50 | alestane | Who won? |
| 20:48.11 | foxlit | cannons |
| 20:48.24 | karl_w_w | cant log into bnet account management |
| 20:48.37 | alestane | ROFLstomp, or was there some actual engagement? |
| 20:49.13 | foxlit | it's an economy loss |
| 20:49.43 | alestane | Yeah, that would happen...all those lings cut into drone production. |
| 20:51.01 | karl_w_w | oh dear i think they're talking about sc2 again |
| 20:51.03 | Kraps | playing an mmo as an fps is so counter-intuitive |
| 20:51.44 | foxlit | and you basically can't engage into cannons with early lings |
| 20:51.50 | Kraps | i feel like i'm carrying a giant box in a tiny house |
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| 20:57.52 | karl_w_w | has anyone tried changing their system time to see if D3 full will install? :P |
| 21:00.20 | Maldivia | it's serverside |
| 21:02.05 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: it downloads this file: http://us.battle.net/static/mediakey/d3-authenticationcode-enUS.txt |
| 21:02.27 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: when released, it will contain the key needed for decrypting the MPQe files |
| 21:02.50 | Maldivia | ( like for instance for the SC2 installer: http://us.battle.net/static/mediakey/sc2-authenticationcode-enUS.txt ) |
| 21:06.23 | foxlit | what, only 30ish 36characters? |
| 21:06.30 | foxlit | BRUTE FORCE THAT THING. |
| 21:08.23 | karl_w_w | what a queue to log into mop beta? wtf betas are supposed to work perfectly this is not acceptable! |
| 21:08.30 | karl_w_w | blizzard are such amateurs! |
| 21:11.54 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: surely |
| 21:12.00 | Gnarfoz | lend me your supercomputer |
| 21:12.32 | foxlit | rent amazon's! |
| 21:13.07 | Gnarfoz | for 4.8k$ a day? I'd rather await may 15th... |
| 21:15.23 | Maldivia | yeah, I have a feeling that May 15th will come faster than you can bruteforce it |
| 21:16.35 | foxlit | lua> 36^32/2/(10+15)/24/3600 |
| 21:16.36 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1.4662103394207e+43 |
| 21:17.04 | zenzelezz | 10+15? |
| 21:17.14 | foxlit | days |
| 21:17.18 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 21:18.13 | zenzelezz | why 32? (yes, I'm not very good with math) |
| 21:18.24 | foxlit | 32 characters |
| 21:18.55 | Gnarfoz | can't *really* exclude lowercase alpha just because sc2 didn't use it, hehe |
| 21:18.55 | zenzelezz | oh, I see - I misread the "30ish 36 (...)" |
| 21:19.11 | zenzelezz | or rather, misunderstood |
| 21:19.21 | Gnarfoz | 30 lenght, 36 different ones |
| 21:19.25 | Gnarfoz | *length |
| 21:19.30 | Gnarfoz | or in this case, 32 |
| 21:19.36 | zenzelezz | yeah, realised that when he started explaining |
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| 21:19.53 | zenzelezz | I first read it as a guessed range |
| 21:20.16 | Gnarfoz | ah, yeah |
| 21:26.10 | karl_w_w | miss Cairenn where do I have to be to get a guild invite? :D |
| 21:26.30 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 21:26.36 | zenzelezz | Paypal |
| 21:29.06 | TC-Work | On your knees |
| 21:29.21 | Unkle | that's not a guild invite |
| 21:30.29 | Kraps | also wrong gender |
| 21:30.52 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 21:31.09 | TC-Work | dirty minded people, thats not the only reason to go to your knees. |
| 21:31.15 | Unkle | Some people like that sort of thing. |
| 21:31.38 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: but it's the fun way |
| 21:34.14 | zenzelezz | I bet Cairenn is silently listening to the conversation and enjoying the options |
| 21:35.12 | Unkle | Doubt it. :P |
| 21:35.31 | zenzelezz | don't crush my dreams |
| 21:36.12 | karl_w_w | don't presume to know who or what I would get on my knees for |
| 21:36.27 | Unkle | But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. ~ William Butler Yeats. |
| 21:37.18 | zenzelezz | We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars |
| 21:38.07 | nebula169 | shoots Unkle through his book |
| 21:39.00 | Unkle | has sub-dermal armor plating and a Ono-Sendai Smart-chipped optically linked .762 hand cannon; |
| 21:39.05 | Unkle | returnes fire! |
| 21:39.51 | Unkle | obviously needs to install a spell-check module. |
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| 21:40.46 | TC-Work | doges all return fire because he know the gun-kata |
| 21:43.52 | Unkle | I always get excited when they publish new summer hours for the univeristy… until I read them and discover that my department will continue to be open until 10:30 pm weekdays. *sigh* |
| 21:45.26 | Kraps | tera gave me a headach |
| 21:46.05 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 21:46.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@c-67-201-212-12.reshall.wwu.edu) |
| 21:47.40 | Kraps | idk |
| 21:48.13 | Kraps | its an mmo that has both mmo and fps control schemes |
| 21:48.22 | Kraps | at the same time |
| 21:49.06 | alestane | And requires you to aim your attacks...and your heals. |
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| 21:49.37 | Kraps | thats what i mean by fps |
| 21:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | tera's combat is awesome, but the questing is awful |
| 21:50.30 | Kraps | your rapid-fire spell is bound to your RMB |
| 21:50.32 | Kraps | er |
| 21:50.36 | Kraps | LMB |
| 21:51.03 | Kraps | obviously you can change it |
| 21:51.36 | Kraps | Mr_Rabies, what better or worse about the questing |
| 21:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | it's really boring and monotonous |
| 21:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | there's nothing interesting at all about it |
| 21:52.19 | Mr_Rabies | the story is bland and generic |
| 21:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | the world is kinda dead |
| 21:52.28 | Mr_Rabies | but the combat system is awesome |
| 21:52.33 | Mr_Rabies | that's about all it has going for it |
| 21:52.38 | Mr_Rabies | that and gerbil-men |
| 21:55.13 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.44 | Unkle | I'm an American. Thanks to Daniel Webster I can ditch all those Euro spellings. |
| 21:56.28 | karl_w_w | who's he? some illiterate yob I suppose :P |
| 21:57.19 | Kraps | also the not-little-anime-girls |
| 21:57.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4buGRu-mic |
| 21:57.29 | Unkle | Right now I want to hate you until you erupt into flames |
| 21:57.29 | karl_w_w | you cower in the corner! |
| 21:57.31 | karl_w_w | dum dum |
| 21:57.41 | karl_w_w | confide in your father! dum dum |
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| 22:11.25 | karl_w_w | that's incredible |
| 22:11.48 | karl_w_w | i can order something from the other side of the planet and delivery is cheaper than ordering it from my own country |
| 22:12.56 | Maldivia | and if customs gets their hands on it ? |
| 22:14.07 | karl_w_w | why would customs be bothered by a cd? :P |
| 22:15.16 | foxlit | customs will be bothered by anything with a price tag |
| 22:15.36 | karl_w_w | unless you mean a fee, in which cast there's no import duty here on anything of a value under I think it's $1000 |
| 22:17.21 | karl_w_w | yeah it's 1000 |
| 22:17.55 | cbreak | CD? Just copy the data over the Internet, that should be even cheaper than transfering atoms. |
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| 22:18.55 | karl_w_w | that would require installing itunes, which would be very expensive |
| 22:19.04 | Gnarfoz | insane requirement |
| 22:19.04 | karl_w_w | to my self-respect |
| 22:19.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.15 | cbreak | itunes? |
| 22:19.19 | Gnarfoz | meh, still no java7 on java.com |
| 22:19.23 | cbreak | no alternatives? |
| 22:19.32 | karl_w_w | neg. |
| 22:19.36 | Kaylin | is there supposed to be? @ java7 |
| 22:19.48 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-facebook-fails-everythings-coming-up-aol1.png |
| 22:20.24 | foxlit | http://java.com/en/download/faq/java7.xml |
| 22:20.27 | Gnarfoz | Kaylin: according to me? yes! according to Oracle? no |
| 22:20.30 | Gnarfoz | (as foxlit just posted) |
| 22:21.06 | cbreak | it's a trap! |
| 22:21.19 | cbreak | if you use java, oracle will sue you for copyright infrigement! |
| 22:21.27 | Kaylin | is a trap for various definitions of trap |
| 22:21.28 | cbreak | because you use the JavaAPI |
| 22:21.57 | karl_w_w | besides, I want the atoms |
| 22:23.17 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: thankfully, they've granted me a license to do so... phew |
| 22:23.24 | karl_w_w | "The government stole her uterus" that's a good email subject |
| 22:23.46 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: that's what google thought too. |
| 22:23.54 | Gnarfoz | no, that's NOT what google thought. |
| 22:23.54 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:24.12 | Gnarfoz | they thought "we should get a license, it seems" |
| 22:24.26 | cbreak | and they got one... called gpl? |
| 22:24.30 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 22:24.33 | cbreak | why not? |
| 22:24.55 | cbreak | java was made open source many months ago |
| 22:26.06 | foxlit | notably, android's code isn't distributed under gpl. |
| 22:26.26 | Gnarfoz | I'm quite sure Linholm didn't think of the GPL when he wrote "we should get a license" |
| 22:26.31 | Gnarfoz | *Lindholm |
| 22:28.19 | cbreak | I'd prefer LGPL too |
| 22:28.24 | cbreak | or something more liberal |
| 22:30.59 | foxlit | hm, new hobby: filling out all random surveys of wow people with bogus dat |
| 22:31.00 | foxlit | a |
| 22:31.23 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: the Lindholm mail is from before Java was open source, fyi |
| 22:31.58 | Gnarfoz | still, the entire situation is really hazy, when even Oracle's CEO can't say if Java is free or not :P http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-19/google-engineer-says-e-mail-didn-t-refer-to-java-license.html |
| 22:32.15 | Gnarfoz | (that link would have fitted better to the message before the last) |
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| 23:10.03 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/04/oh-you-know-just-a-giant-spider-eating-a.php |
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| 23:18.12 | bleeter | http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/04/19/we-order-whopper-with-1050-bacon-strips-struggle-to-level-comically-huge-burger/ |
| 23:19.40 | vithos | so i made a diablo3 autologin bot |
| 23:19.47 | *** part/#wowuidev Nobgul_ (~nobgul@ool-6c3a96d2.static.optonline.net) |
| 23:19.50 | vithos | that only retries logging in if i get error 12 or error 37 by reading the screen |
| 23:19.54 | vithos | and left it running for an hour |
| 23:19.56 | vithos | still couldn't login. |
| 23:20.51 | vithos | i question whether blizzard knows what "open beta" means |
| 23:22.44 | Stanzilla | the already changed the wording to "stress test" :P |
| 23:23.01 | Stanzilla | *y |
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| 23:28.23 | vithos | still says open beta everywhere at battle.net/d3 |
| 23:31.03 | Iriel | vithos: Part of testing is that sometimes things dont work. |
| 23:31.08 | Iriel | vithos: Open Beta != Free Game |
| 23:31.12 | Stanzilla | yeah they just call it stress test in the login screen info bo |
| 23:31.13 | Stanzilla | x |
| 23:31.23 | vithos | open beta != "this battle.net account doesn't have a diablo iii license" |
| 23:33.43 | Stanzilla | vithos: change location to "the americas" in the options menu |
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| 23:39.34 | kd3 | huh, I'm surprised |
| 23:39.40 | kd3 | no beta build? |
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| 23:44.14 | TC-Work | google doing a barrelroll without actually typing that in is anoying |
| 23:51.37 | starlon | "Let's smoke enough pot so that we make even less sense than the meaning of 4/20." |
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| 23:55.37 | starlon | pops the stash. git git gitty goo |
