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| 00:04.05 | foxlit | Hm, interesting. ears clip through my transmog'ed stormrage cover :( |
| 00:04.43 | kd3 | now with pretty pictures: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:SI:7_Report:_Hostile_Natives |
| 00:04.56 | kd3 | if only I could beat the idiots in /1 over their heads with it |
| 00:05.42 | foxlit | personal preference: try making the questbox images wider |
| 00:05.52 | kd3 | indeed |
| 00:05.56 | kd3 | recrops the image |
| 00:06.02 | foxlit | don't really want to push the rest of the infobox content down, and in this case it might give some context as to where the sign is |
| 00:07.22 | TC-Work | http://www.crisislab.com/index.php?section=1 highly amusing video comparison |
| 00:08.35 | kd3 | bah, will have to log in to get a better shot. the one I cropped it out of doesn't put enough perspective on the road |
| 00:10.00 | kd3 | oh, ack. lost isles is full |
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| 00:13.25 | sweedjesus | anyone I can bounce a question off of? |
| 00:13.43 | foxlit | I have this duck. |
| 00:14.10 | sweedjesus | can I bounce a question off it? |
| 00:14.27 | zenzelezz | just ask here in the channel |
| 00:14.34 | foxlit | http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070122191659/uncyclopedia/images/9/9a/Rubber_duck.jpg |
| 00:14.37 | foxlit | it'll totally listen. |
| 00:14.48 | foxlit | also: quite bouncy. |
| 00:16.10 | sweedjesus | is the variable name ChatFrame1 always safe to reference? |
| 00:16.27 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:16.39 | kd3 | if you want to be absolutely sure, though, you can use DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME instead of ChatFrame1 |
| 00:17.32 | sweedjesus | okay, thanks. |
| 00:17.32 | Ackis | ew4rdssssssdeswwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwu8i7yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 00:17.44 | kd3 | ackis! get your cat off the keyboard |
| 00:17.48 | foxlit | duck, Ackis. Ackis, duck. |
| 00:18.13 | sweedjesus | does anyone else use IntelliJ IDEA, the IDE? |
| 00:18.43 | foxlit | I once looked at some screenshots, and they scared me off. |
| 00:19.19 | Mikk | stays clear of anything with J in name |
| 00:20.22 | sweedjesus | I set it up to get started with learning to write addons |
| 00:20.38 | Mikk | Notepad++ or something :P |
| 00:21.07 | Torhal | sweedjesus: sylvanaar wrote the Lua plugin for it. |
| 00:21.27 | Torhal | Mikk: Try Sublime Text 2 |
| 00:21.28 | Torhal | FTW |
| 00:21.53 | sweedjesus | I'm loving the Lua plugin |
| 00:22.23 | sweedjesus | its just that variables, like ChatFrame1, are always going to give me warnings, aren't they? |
| 00:22.26 | foxlit | Torhal: but but the ugly dark background :( |
| 00:22.45 | Torhal | My eyes are happy when they're not being blasted by white. |
| 00:22.55 | Torhal | Web pages that pretend it's a paper medium make me sad. |
| 00:23.01 | Torhal | s/it's/they're/ |
| 00:23.23 | foxlit | adjust brightness and bias light properly. |
| 00:23.43 | Torhal | Or just use something that doesn't blast light :) |
| 00:24.06 | foxlit | but then you scream out in agony each time you encounter something white |
| 00:24.16 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 00:24.36 | Torhal | Yah, I find WoWPedia much easier to read than Wikipedia |
| 00:24.42 | Torhal | I go there and wince. |
| 00:26.14 | bleeter | TC-Work: most excellent, thx |
| 00:27.44 | sweedjesus | When I get "Unassigned variable usage" for ChatFrame1 I assume I should just ignore it |
| 00:28.41 | bleeter | ignore all the errors, all the time |
| 00:30.03 | foxlit | maybe you could do _G.ChatFrame1 to shut it up |
| 00:30.22 | sweedjesus | hey. that worked. |
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| 00:31.23 | sweedjesus | does anyone know where ChatFrame1 is defined in the WoW source? |
| 00:32.10 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/go/ChatFrame1 |
| 00:33.15 | sweedjesus | Oh, thanks for the site |
| 00:34.10 | TC-Work | bleeter: hmm? |
| 00:35.00 | bleeter | TC-Work: the camera comparison |
| 00:37.18 | TC-Work | bleeter: note that it is as balanced as a rubber room inmate |
| 00:53.33 | foxlit | forge of souls |
| 00:53.36 | foxlit | has the weirdest zone music |
| 00:54.21 | Dagmar | Almost like... jazz. |
| 00:56.00 | foxlit | or maybe its just this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3jSY5fIeDA |
| 00:56.07 | Torhal | Well, considering the first boss is basically James Brown |
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| 01:13.01 | Adys | Ok, since Shirik is dead, might as well ask this to the entire channel |
| 01:13.20 | Adys | has anyone ever written any economy-related code? |
| 01:13.34 | Adys | economic modeling, this sort of thing |
| 01:15.06 | TC-Work | Shirik has |
| 01:17.35 | Adys | I figured but he's a ghost. |
| 01:17.59 | TC-Work | so become charged pacman |
| 01:18.30 | Adys | Cide ping |
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| 02:07.23 | kd3 | if I could get away with this... http://imgur.com/ShDwp |
| 02:10.08 | foxlit | you still wouldn't want to do it? |
| 02:10.36 | kd3 | I dunno, just to taunt the professor or something |
| 02:11.14 | foxlit | seems like an odd relationship with the faculty. |
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| 02:27.19 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.19 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.31 | Adys | how does this even compile? |
| 02:27.50 | foxlit | what sort of madness accepts that as an lvalue? |
| 02:28.21 | foxlit | I'm going to go with c++ |
| 02:28.25 | Adys | yes thats c++ |
| 02:28.35 | Adys | im just wtfing because this works |
| 02:28.50 | foxlit | I'm sure pigs can fly with c++ |
| 02:28.56 | foxlit | maybe they redefined = |
| 02:28.57 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.00 | foxlit | maybe something's a reference. |
| 02:29.06 | Adys | most likely that |
| 02:30.24 | Torhal | I'm going to go with Voodoo. |
| 02:33.46 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/Blizzard/posts/200927340018750 |
| 02:35.12 | foxlit | I don't know what it is about blizzard's recent website design |
| 02:35.26 | foxlit | but their interactive content totally fails to load for me |
| 02:35.35 | foxlit | watch a video? NOPE. |
| 02:39.02 | foxlit | hm, probably all the Facebook stuff |
| 02:40.52 | TC-Work | it's not working for me either foxlit |
| 02:41.08 | TC-Work | and i am fairly sure i am up to date on everything |
| 02:41.08 | foxlit | I opened it in incognito and things worked. |
| 02:41.57 | TC-Work | same....the fuck? |
| 02:42.15 | foxlit | use any extensions? |
| 02:42.59 | TC-Work | yes, but i disabled things that would affect it |
| 02:43.02 | TC-Work | or so i thought |
| 02:43.19 | foxlit | Ghostery breaks it for me |
| 02:43.37 | Adys | I just pushed a git branch with a merge that shouldnt have been pushed. Is there a way to withdraw that? |
| 02:43.42 | TC-Work | oh, i do have the opt out of shit plugin |
| 02:44.41 | pompy | http://reveal.diablo3.com/en_US/mark_of_valor/#/overview |
| 02:45.13 | pompy | "*There will be a short grace period shortly before the game’s release where you’ll be able to make up for any sigils you might have missed." |
| 02:45.14 | pompy | cool |
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| 02:46.12 | foxlit | i've decided that I officially do not like that website |
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| 02:56.15 | Arrowmaster | i had to turn off adblock for it |
| 02:56.48 | Arrowmaster | for some reason the cloudfront subdomain being used on it is explictly blocked by easylist |
| 03:00.00 | Arrowmaster | pompy: where does it say that about the grace period? faq says if you miss it they are gone |
| 03:00.22 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 03:00.39 | Arrowmaster | it does say there is going to be another chance at a later period in the promotion |
| 03:08.44 | pompy | in italics near the bottom Arrowmaster |
| 03:09.27 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4679163/Darkness_Falls_Heroes_Rise-4_5_2012 |
| 03:15.08 | TC-Work | they should allow you to use G+ instead of FB, i dont mind spamming you fuckers. |
| 03:15.50 | Arrowmaster | dont need to share on FB to unlock ingame stuff |
| 03:16.25 | Arrowmaster | its one of those 'share and like to make the site go faster' things |
| 03:22.32 | TC-Work | are you sure you can hit 100% w/o it? |
| 03:22.55 | Ackis | what the hell did I just click on and do for D3? |
| 03:23.45 | pompy | Ackis: http://www.facebook.com/Blizzard/posts/200927340018750 |
| 03:23.56 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: check the FAQ, if you want the ingame sigils all you have to do is create each banner |
| 03:28.04 | TC-Work | thats just the sigls |
| 03:28.09 | TC-Work | sigils* |
| 03:28.13 | TC-Work | there is other stuff |
| 03:28.36 | Arrowmaster | that i can find no fucking mention of |
| 03:28.50 | Arrowmaster | or even an unlock bar or anything for |
| 03:29.04 | TC-Work | on the main page |
| 03:29.15 | Arrowmaster | which is the main page |
| 03:29.22 | TC-Work | http://reveal.diablo3.com/en_US/ |
| 03:29.30 | Arrowmaster | oh finally found it |
| 03:29.43 | Seerah | that's what was linked to in the blog post and in the email ;) |
| 03:29.46 | TC-Work | "You can help advance the progress bar on the main page to unlock exclusive content by participating in the Art Contest and the Mark of Valor photo customization activity. You can also make progress by sharing unlocked content and player-submitted art and photos from within the site by clicking on the "Like" or "Share" buttons. We'll be unlocking all manner of exclusive content, including interviews with the Diablo III |
| 03:29.46 | TC-Work | development team, culminating in a truly epic unveiling once the progress bar reaches 100%." |
| 03:29.56 | Arrowmaster | i see NOWHERE to like it |
| 03:29.57 | TC-Work | but i dont want to link stuff to FB tbh |
| 03:30.27 | Seerah | Arrowmaster: at the bottom of the page? |
| 03:31.11 | pompy | ~seerah++ |
| 03:31.12 | Seerah | oh, it says like and share the "content" |
| 03:31.43 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah thats right, i have noscript configured to not let anything except facebook embed scripts from facebook |
| 03:32.37 | Seerah | example: this gallery lets you "like" stuff http://reveal.diablo3.com/en_US/mark_of_valor/#!/gallery |
| 03:33.20 | Arrowmaster | that page is mostly blank for me |
| 03:33.30 | Seerah | TC-Work: I see G+ for sharing... |
| 03:33.41 | Seerah | Arrowmaster: noscript again? |
| 03:33.57 | Arrowmaster | maybe, im not willing to remove my ABE rules to find out |
| 03:34.08 | Seerah | TC-Work: http://reveal.diablo3.com/en_US/mark_of_valor/#!/gallery/most_recent/4506 (at bottom of picture) |
| 03:35.40 | Arrowmaster | i figure they will eventually hit 100% no matter what, would be a huge marketing cluster fuck if they didnt, so i dont really care about the % bar shit |
| 03:35.57 | TC-Work | Seerah: ah yes |
| 03:36.38 | TC-Work | i wonder how long until soemone puts in a picture of porn |
| 03:36.44 | TC-Work | someone* |
| 03:36.49 | Arrowmaster | probably already happened |
| 03:36.57 | TC-Work | nope |
| 03:37.02 | Arrowmaster | i bet they have some approval system for user uploaded pics |
| 03:37.05 | TC-Work | only 2 pages of custom stuff so far |
| 03:46.21 | Arrowmaster | this article seems a bit wrong.... http://www.itworld.com/print/264694 |
| 03:47.10 | Arrowmaster | talking about AOL being one of the first to provide access to the general internet, and about AIM in the 90s |
| 03:48.38 | Arrowmaster | AIM came in 97, making it fairly late in the 'online services' era which died with the release of windows 95, except if you were an aol user |
| 03:51.16 | Arrowmaster | with windows 95 i just had a direct connection to the net using netscape, none of the previous era crap to go through from my ISP |
| 03:54.37 | Arrowmaster | Adys: why is pulseaudio spaming the shit out of my syslog |
| 03:56.11 | Ackis | hey Shirik|Ghost why are you a ghost? |
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| 03:57.12 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what kinda spam |
| 03:57.44 | Arrowmaster | Apr 5 17:47:14 tohsaka pulseaudio[17430]: [pulseaudio] sink-input.c: Failed to create sink input: sink is suspended. |
| 03:57.51 | Arrowmaster | Apr 5 17:59:45 tohsaka pulseaudio[17430]: [pulseaudio] sink-input.c: Failed to create sink input: too many inputs per sink. |
| 03:57.59 | Arrowmaster | those 2, over and over |
| 03:58.10 | Adys | havent seen that before |
| 03:58.13 | Adys | ask in #pulseaudio |
| 03:58.30 | Arrowmaster | the shitty thing is i dont even fucking use pulseaudio |
| 03:58.49 | Arrowmaster | i start things with pasuspender and configure other stuff to use alsa |
| 03:59.07 | Arrowmaster | fuck gnome3 |
| 03:59.11 | airtonix | oh you're one of those people that only like one thing playing at once |
| 03:59.34 | Arrowmaster | no i properly have alsa configured so i can play as many fucking things at once as i want to |
| 03:59.38 | airtonix | we here in the modern world have grown to accept the radically new concept of mixing |
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| 04:00.23 | Arrowmaster | alsa does my mixing fine, except when pulse fucks with shit |
| 04:01.01 | Arrowmaster | and i think my dvd drive has died again |
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| 04:01.24 | Arrowmaster | not really died but something has broken and it probably wont work until i reboot |
| 04:01.26 | airtonix | this wouldn't have happened with Amiga |
| 04:17.30 | pompy | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57410101/australian-pilot-turns-back-due-to-snake-in-cockpit/ LOL |
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| 04:28.11 | Arrowmaster | ok that didnt work so well |
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| 04:29.01 | Arrowmaster | trying to hotplug a PATA dvd drive attached to a SATA converter |
| 04:31.32 | Fisker | i farted |
| 04:32.00 | Fisker | help me Arrowmaster |
| 04:32.13 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: light it on fire |
| 04:32.26 | Fisker | i paid money for a 9MB game? |
| 04:32.30 | Fisker | outrageous |
| 04:32.31 | kd3 | whee; a dev is talking in /1 on jade forest atm |
| 04:34.03 | Fisker | how do you know he's a dev? |
| 04:34.37 | Arrowmaster | kd3: ask him why they are still punishing everybody for what cogwheel did last beta |
| 04:34.48 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:34.57 | kd3 | fisker; he's got the [gm] flag, and I know the name |
| 04:35.25 | Fisker | who is it then eh? |
| 04:36.13 | kd3 | xelnath |
| 04:36.16 | kd3 | arrow, asked |
| 04:36.59 | kd3 | "That's a policy question. I cannot answer it." |
| 04:37.08 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:38.01 | Arrowmaster | did you tell him what the question was referring to or did he just know |
| 04:40.54 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 04:41.38 | cogwheel | lol |
| 04:41.43 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 04:41.57 | cogwheel | me so troll-y |
| 04:42.09 | TC-Work | you ripple far and wide cogwheel |
| 04:44.09 | cogwheel | To steal my favorite onomatopoeia (sp?) from Mad Magazine, "ploik" |
| 04:44.09 | batbot | cogwheel, nothing found. |
| 04:45.09 | pompy | whats the beta author guild? |
| 04:46.01 | Fisker | shut upt and code me a sandwich pompy |
| 04:46.05 | Fisker | shut up* |
| 04:46.32 | cogwheel | fisker.insert(new Sandwich()); |
| 04:46.33 | pompy | inserts a virus into the sandwich |
| 04:47.07 | cogwheel | fisker.insert(pompy.infectsandwich(new Sandwich())); |
| 04:47.43 | cogwheel | v2.0 ^ |
| 04:49.56 | Fisker | why would you do that? |
| 04:51.13 | Kaylin | eats fisker with a fork(); |
| 04:52.36 | cogwheel | nines an elevenderloin with his fivek |
| 04:52.58 | cogwheel | that's cogwheel++ |
| 04:53.02 | Fisker | cries |
| 04:53.05 | Fisker | y u mean? |
| 04:53.24 | cogwheel | Fisker: y u playing team fortress 2? |
| 04:53.27 | cogwheel | </stalker> |
| 04:54.23 | Fisker | why shouldn't i? |
| 04:54.42 | cogwheel | cause i don't have it qq |
| 04:54.57 | pompy | cogwheel, Fisker: sent lol |
| 04:55.04 | cogwheel | saw that >< |
| 04:55.30 | pompy | when i clicked 'add friend' .. it showed "#Profile_FriendInviteSent" lol. |
| 04:57.19 | Fisker | it's f2p cogwheel ? |
| 04:58.00 | pompy | maybe he hasnt installed it Fisker! |
| 05:12.36 | Fisker | well i didn't have your mom installed |
| 05:27.15 | karl_w_w | dammit Fisker |
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| 05:52.18 | mckenziemc | damns Fisker. |
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| 05:55.04 | Jamash | bioware |
| 05:55.26 | Jamash | damn it I was trying to search for it not say it |
| 05:55.56 | Jamash | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-05-bioware-announces-mass-effect-3-extended-cut |
| 05:57.15 | Jamash | in other news christopher nolan has announced a free download of five seconds of additional footage for inception that shows whether or not the top falls over |
| 05:58.34 | Dagmar | So... they're not changing the ending, but they're willing to release more of it to rub people's faces in it? |
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| 06:37.43 | foreplay | is their a way to match a pattern in lua like you can with something like $regex($1-, /(Hello|Hey)/i) |
| 06:37.59 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:38.18 | foreplay | really? |
| 06:38.22 | Arrowmaster | there is no (A|B) or similar operator in lua paterns |
| 06:38.23 | foreplay | damn that sucks lol |
| 06:38.42 | Arrowmaster | so you would have to use multiple patterns |
| 06:39.45 | foreplay | basically trying to check my crit chance, since i was using critRating = string.match(GetCritChance(), "%d%d%.%d%d") |
| 06:39.48 | foreplay | that fails |
| 06:39.57 | foreplay | if its less than 10% lol |
| 06:40.09 | foreplay | guess if else will work |
| 06:40.19 | Arrowmaster | change "%d%d%.%d%d" to "%d?%d%.%d%d" |
| 06:40.34 | foreplay | whats the ? do |
| 06:40.52 | Arrowmaster | makes it match 0 or 1 of the previous item |
| 06:40.54 | foreplay | isn't that a greed thing |
| 06:41.01 | foreplay | ah |
| 06:42.03 | foreplay | yep, works |
| 06:42.05 | foreplay | thanks lol |
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| 06:48.39 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/hit-and-run-foiled-by-other-drivers-2315800 |
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| 08:20.12 | wereHamster | if you want to play the safe card, sudo mv /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib.bak and see if anything broke :) |
| 08:20.39 | bluspacecow | whole lot of libwx_ libraries |
| 08:21.06 | wereHamster | wxtoolkit. A huge pile of crap. |
| 08:21.17 | bluspacecow | something i installed probably |
| 08:21.26 | bluspacecow | and fuse! |
| 08:21.46 | wereHamster | fuse you might want to keep if you use a fusefs |
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| 09:14.50 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:14.52 | Fisker | not so hey wereHamster |
| 09:14.59 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 09:27.33 | wereHamster | Fisker: why not so hey? |
| 09:27.45 | mikma | y u so fisker |
| 09:32.25 | zenzelezz | looks like wowhead is struggling right now :-| |
| 09:33.44 | Fisker | it's what i do wereHamster |
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| 11:36.17 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 11:36.27 | Fisker | wanna play doctor? |
| 11:42.36 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 11:43.25 | Stanzilla | pugging ds atm |
| 11:43.31 | Stanzilla | already at 2/8 hc |
| 11:43.35 | airtonix | or plugging your DS ? |
| 11:43.42 | Stanzilla | nope! |
| 11:45.03 | airtonix | wereHamster: of course that doesn't make you a developer... you have a mac |
| 11:45.49 | airtonix | real developers use windows xp and visual basic |
| 11:46.32 | Chamenas | oh man, if they want to shoot themselves they do :P |
| 11:46.47 | airtonix | they do ? |
| 11:47.11 | Chamenas | I just remember visual basic as painfully slow |
| 11:47.18 | airtonix | you do? |
| 11:47.32 | Chamenas | But. then again, I remember Java as slow too, and then Open Office is all done up in Java and it's not slow |
| 11:47.33 | Chamenas | :P |
| 11:47.41 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 11:47.45 | airtonix | i like your logic |
| 11:47.59 | Chamenas | It's pretty fool proof |
| 11:48.15 | airtonix | yeah i'm using it as an excuse to skip work next week |
| 11:48.59 | Chamenas | >.< |
| 11:49.22 | Chamenas | I'm the guy that didn't pursue comp sci for a degree because he's awful at debugging. Could you tell? :P |
| 11:49.49 | airtonix | please stop speaking |
| 11:49.59 | airtonix | you'll destroy my fantasy image of you |
| 11:50.29 | Chamenas | I'm pretty sure it's probably a pretty awful image with buck teeth, pimples, and mouth breathing. |
| 11:50.37 | airtonix | it is now |
| 11:50.47 | airtonix | thanks jerk |
| 11:51.22 | airtonix | in other news.... it's not easter |
| 11:51.25 | Chamenas | You can picture an awesome guy playing guitar instead. Since that's reality. |
| 11:51.40 | Chamenas | That right, it's not. This is the day we celebrate Jesus being killed. |
| 11:51.45 | Chamenas | Sort of gruesome. |
| 11:51.48 | airtonix | who is that? |
| 11:51.59 | Chamenas | Some dude who preached being the son of God. |
| 11:52.00 | airtonix | the bunny? |
| 11:52.12 | Chamenas | spoiler, he |
| 11:52.18 | Chamenas | he is the father of the bunny |
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| 12:08.15 | karl_w_w | but open office is slow... |
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| 12:14.30 | Torhal | Chamenas: Libre Office. |
| 12:16.42 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xev9CqOTku4 |
| 12:16.48 | airtonix | haste: ^ |
| 12:16.53 | bluspacecow | libre office ? sounds like a tampon product |
| 12:19.18 | airtonix | karl_w_w: that's just your face... get a better graphics card |
| 12:21.10 | Torhal | bluspacecow: We've gone over this before…YOU don't use tampons. |
| 12:22.56 | karl_w_w | and you do I suppose, Torhal? |
| 12:23.08 | bluspacecow | Libre office. For the ambitious career girl. |
| 12:23.14 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Sure. On bluspacecow's nostrils. |
| 12:23.22 | bluspacecow | X_X |
| 12:23.49 | haste | airtonix: needs more glitch! |
| 12:27.57 | Chamenas | Libre Office? |
| 12:31.06 | airtonix | you sound mad |
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| 13:57.21 | Fisker | I serious hate the lock- out sytem maby I use it wrong but this is what happened,I joined a 1/2 Saved Al akir Heroic run, we get it close to around 5 % and I left cuz I need to eat. |
| 13:57.22 | Fisker | i lol'd |
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| 13:59.32 | karl_w_w | http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/7050413061_7c40d40a6e_c.jpg |
| 13:59.52 | nevcairiel | there are a few pandas about |
| 14:00.30 | Torhal | Fisker: Lobotomy IMO. |
| 14:00.50 | haste | karl_w_w: :D |
| 14:03.44 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 14:07.23 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 14:07.48 | Fisker | hey |
| 14:10.40 | haste | hey |
| 14:10.48 | Torhal | hey-- |
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| 14:15.09 | Fisker | don't hey a Fisker Torhal |
| 14:17.44 | bluspacecow | *friskers a fisker instead* |
| 14:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hey, great news! I grew up on a Superfund site! http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120406/NEWS05/704069832 |
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| 14:34.30 | bluspacecow | hey Peppy |
| 14:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | Morn-thing. |
| 14:43.04 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:44.21 | airtonix | umad? |
| 14:58.04 | karl_w_w | anyone remember when readycheck came in? |
| 14:58.11 | karl_w_w | i wanna say bc |
| 14:58.45 | karl_w_w | sunwell patch or something |
| 15:01.32 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/7741/ReadyCheck.xml |
| 15:01.57 | foxlit | [I really should let you see the list of patches that change a file without navigating through all of them] |
| 15:02.40 | foxlit | so http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 15:04.20 | karl_w_w | nah 2.3.2 only gave a display |
| 15:04.31 | karl_w_w | readycheck as already in |
| 15:04.43 | karl_w_w | 2.1.0: Raid assistants can now start a ready check. |
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| 15:07.47 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_1.11 |
| 15:08.00 | karl_w_w | naxx patch |
| 15:11.11 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29 added the unready check. |
| 15:20.49 | karl_w_w | untrue Jamash |
| 15:22.15 | Jamash | or... is it? |
| 15:25.23 | Kalroth | ready check was in CTRA since very early though |
| 15:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins can no longer use Lay on Hands for themselves. *giggle snark* Poor Kirwan. |
| 15:26.52 | Adys | where's alestane :( |
| 15:26.53 | Adys | http://textfromdog.tumblr.com/ |
| 15:26.56 | Adys | he'd love that. |
| 15:27.21 | Adys | http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m20vlmjGud1rt9zy5o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI6WLSGT7Y3ET7ADQ&Expires=1333812437&Signature=sWQIUut19qA%2BKs8kNQ7l5av%2F8YI%3D |
| 15:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | He's attending PAX, with everyone else I want to be hugging to death. |
| 15:28.32 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: so what the fuck am I then? |
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| 15:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | Someone not at PAX that I don't wish death from asphyxiation onto? |
| 15:29.32 | Adys | well that's just harsh |
| 15:30.03 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: http://textfromdog.tumblr.com/post/20541384415 |
| 15:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | Which, that I'm taunting you for not being at PAX, or that I'm content to see you alive because you didn't abandon me? |
| 15:30.23 | Adys | yeah both |
| 15:30.50 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 15:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Go to PAX and I'll huggle you to death with alestane, Shirik and Slouken. And Kat. |
| 15:32.19 | bluspacecow | lol u hoinh peppy? |
| 15:32.23 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 15:32.30 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, bluspacecow. Or some peoples would get really red in the face! |
| 15:34.38 | Adys | Arrowmaster: the one thing that really bothers me with arch is the shit download speeds for packages :( |
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| 15:41.55 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:42.19 | cogwheel | SOUP |
| 15:43.43 | starlon | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawns. |
| 15:44.39 | Lunessa | SOUP. |
| 15:45.20 | starlon | STEW |
| 15:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Chili |
| 15:48.01 | karl_w_w | anyone been to dragonblight on beta to see if it's been updated? |
| 15:48.24 | nevcairiel | updated to what? |
| 15:51.21 | karl_w_w | updated to have big holes in it and wyrmrest half destroyed |
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| 15:59.12 | Lunessa | Anyone else watch the show "Justified"? |
| 16:04.37 | Torhal | Lunessa: I do, though this season I've only watched the first four. |
| 16:05.11 | Lunessa | I'm watching Season 2 on DVD from Netflix… this show is seriously good. |
| 16:05.19 | Torhal | Aye |
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| 16:15.41 | airtonix | Lunessa: do you like shows about cowboys |
| 16:15.45 | airtonix | and rednecks |
| 16:15.58 | airtonix | and sluring accents |
| 16:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | I think he liked Firefly, yes... |
| 16:16.28 | Unkle | airtonix: The show has some very, very, very compelling characters. |
| 16:16.35 | karl_w_w | firefly was horrible |
| 16:16.42 | airtonix | i'll talke your word for it |
| 16:16.49 | karl_w_w | worst show since farscape |
| 16:16.54 | airtonix | karl_w_w: trollharder |
| 16:17.12 | karl_w_w | not much harder u can go than that airtonix |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | thats not even trolling, thats grounds for being hanged |
| 16:18.53 | Unkle | brb |
| 16:18.58 | airtonix | yeah farscape was pretty crap |
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| 16:20.06 | karl_w_w | lexx was pretty crap as well |
| 16:20.34 | cogwheel | those were all crap in the best possible way |
| 16:20.39 | cogwheel | <3 lexx & farscape |
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| 16:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | Some crap is made to be loved. |
| 16:27.43 | karl_w_w | http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/onair/dave-gorman/features/pun-street/pun-street-yellow-pages.html |
| 16:28.07 | karl_w_w | CD Sleeve manafacturers - A CD Sleeve <- best business name ever |
| 16:32.26 | Kraps | Justified is good |
| 16:33.23 | karl_w_w | Frozen Haulage Specialist - Super Calibre Frigo Logistic Import Export Davis |
| 16:33.24 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:37.14 | Unkle | station |
| 16:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi again. |
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| 16:38.37 | Unkle | I prefer this nick. :) |
| 16:40.32 | cogwheel | you will forever be a pretty, white haired, blue skinned, holy chick in my eyes, Unkle |
| 16:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | I like you whatever shirt you're wearing. |
| 16:40.42 | pompy | Unkle: yar, Justified is an awesome show. |
| 16:40.56 | pompy | just wait till u get to season 3 ;) |
| 16:41.00 | Unkle | cogwheel: noooooo! I R NOT PRITTY PRITTY PRINCESS |
| 16:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | Suuuure you're not. |
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| 16:42.06 | Unkle | pompy: As it is right now, I get 1 DVD of episodes at a time. Usually I end up watching the whole DVD's worth in a sitting… so I'm 6 episodes into season 2. |
| 16:43.30 | pompy | what ya think of Mags lol? |
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| 16:44.29 | Unkle | pompy: the actress has been in tons of stuff I've liked over the years and I think she's nailing this character brilliantly. And that woman scares the shit out of me. |
| 16:45.59 | pompy | haha |
| 16:47.10 | pompy | I didn't realize the guy who plays Devil is the detective in Unforgettable now, until Torhal brough that up |
| 16:48.13 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/5899463/new-york-state-just-banned-3500-online-gamers-who-are-all-sex-offenders |
| 16:48.46 | Unkle | I haven't seen him yet. |
| 16:50.21 | karl_w_w | "Operation: Game Over" <- sounds like a case of medical malpractice |
| 16:50.49 | pompy | Unkle: ok, in episode 10 then |
| 16:51.04 | Unkle | So should be on the next disc I get. |
| 16:52.30 | pompy | i like Winona |
| 16:53.35 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92CvRflk18 |
| 16:54.12 | Unkle | pompy: Boyd is a very rich and interesting character too. |
| 16:55.21 | pompy | That he is, the actor is from The Shield iirc. |
| 16:57.43 | Kraps | http://www.gamefly.com/buy-games/Search/?kw=SpringSale2012&cid=ssusd040612 |
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| 17:06.07 | pompy | kd3: new beta patch btw |
| 17:06.15 | pompy | jewelcrafting mounts :O, nice |
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| 17:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ride a ruby? |
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| 17:21.05 | foxlit | "waste CPU cycles on slow global lookups" << sigh, some people |
| 17:23.57 | Unkle | WTF? |
| 17:24.22 | nevcairiel | foxlit: but but, the precious CPU cycles! |
| 17:24.35 | Unkle | How is getting data out of a global in the Lua space wasting CPU cycles? |
| 17:24.52 | Kraps | my cpu cycles are worth big bucks, i can afford to waste them |
| 17:24.53 | nevcairiel | its slower then getting it out of a local space |
| 17:25.20 | Unkle | Yes, I know this… but how is it a waste of CPU cycles? |
| 17:25.34 | nevcairiel | if it takes longer, it uses more cpu |
| 17:25.39 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:25.45 | nevcairiel | hence, if you could do it in a faster way, you wasted CPU cycles |
| 17:25.54 | bluspacecow | find an easter egg but no thumb drive to download the new beta patch to |
| 17:25.58 | Unkle | That's like saying "getting information from a book is a waste of time" when the data is only stored in the book. |
| 17:26.42 | nevcairiel | in many cases you can upvalue variables |
| 17:26.53 | foxlit | I'm being slightly unfair in where that quote is terminated |
| 17:26.56 | Unkle | With no context and no relevance to a particular piece of code, "waste CPU cycles on slow global lookups" is a silly statement |
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| 17:27.12 | foxlit | in reality, he's comparing local t = {}; t[id] to _G["blah" .. id] |
| 17:27.15 | nevcairiel | like, if its a table you read from the global space, and only the contents change but not the table itself, you can just upvalue it and save the global lookup |
| 17:27.27 | Unkle | foxlit: See, that's just playing dirty. :P |
| 17:27.54 | nevcairiel | i'm all for not putting every variable you have into the global space, though |
| 17:27.58 | foxlit | but the way I read it, there's no real reason to specify "slow global" unless you're contending that looking things up in _G is slow. |
| 17:28.07 | foxlit | [as compared to looking things up in a local table] |
| 17:29.09 | Unkle | These are all statements that make more sense than the oriinal 'quote'. |
| 17:31.08 | foxlit | I heavily dislike that contention. |
| 17:31.29 | nevcairiel | its all foxlits fault, he just cannot quote properly |
| 17:32.11 | foxlit | :*( |
| 17:32.53 | Unkle | I see them long hard times to come. |
| 17:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | is not a good girl |
| 17:36.22 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 17:36.36 | Unkle | raises one eyebrow inquiringly. |
| 17:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | For real. |
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| 17:54.17 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. Fisker. You really know how to give a girl a good time. Please, do me again? |
| 17:56.44 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy Spears, "Ooops I did it again?" |
| 17:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Three times, if I'm lucky. |
| 17:59.14 | Nechckn_AFK | Lopeppeppy! Get some pants on! Geez... this is a family channel. |
| 18:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | I never wear pants to work, Nechckn_AFK. Tsk tsk. |
| 18:02.05 | Nechckn_AFK | 'but' of course. |
| 18:02.06 | mikma | zariel: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/27852895/1/364023450/ |
| 18:02.13 | mikma | whoops |
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| 18:18.57 | pompy | http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/06/us/virginia-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 ekk |
| 18:19.21 | cogwheel | i get the feeling this isn't exactly what Zorak was going for: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4366249665?page=1#3 |
| 18:21.58 | foxlit | you know, there are more ways to reset your skills in d2 than that quest. |
| 18:23.06 | cogwheel | even if they were unlimited i would just remove that part from my post and the rest would still stand though... seems kinda nitpicky :P |
| 18:23.31 | cogwheel | (yes i'm aware of the irony of calling someone else nitpicky) |
| 18:24.25 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 18:25.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, cogwheel. *lurves* |
| 18:26.16 | Jammer | whoa didn't know they were planning some buff to stop you from switching skills :o |
| 18:26.31 | cogwheel | Jammer: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4241234476 |
| 18:26.36 | Jammer | yeah just read that |
| 18:26.55 | cogwheel | that pretty much shut down all the complaints about lack of permanence |
| 18:26.58 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 18:27.01 | Fisker | not so hey Stanzilla |
| 18:27.34 | Stanzilla | not so hey Fisker |
| 18:27.40 | Fisker | why are you linking old posts cogwheel ? |
| 18:27.49 | cogwheel | Fisker: lern2context |
| 18:27.52 | cogwheel | and hey |
| 18:28.23 | Fisker | it's only per game anyway |
| 18:31.38 | Jammer | I really love the D3 system, dunno why people complaining |
| 18:32.17 | cogwheel | i do... they played d2 and have set certain expectations for d3. They have ideas in mind of what "diablo" means to them. Then they see that D3 doesn't fit those expectations and it's jarring |
| 18:32.36 | cogwheel | the only thing that bothers me are the stubborn ones who keep going around in circular arguments trying to prove how horrible the new system is |
| 18:33.37 | Unkle | D3 - So much fun. Ilove making zombies fly apart and body parts bouncing. |
| 18:34.00 | cogwheel | especially female barbarian body parts? |
| 18:34.03 | cogwheel | *cough* |
| 18:34.20 | Unkle | Um, I hadn't made one, so I hadn't noticed? |
| 18:34.24 | cogwheel | ME WANT SNOO SNOO |
| 18:35.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah i havent made one either |
| 18:35.48 | Arrowmaster | barb and witch hunter male, rest female |
| 18:36.04 | Arrowmaster | s/hunter/doctor/ |
| 18:36.14 | cogwheel | was wondering... could've gone either way :P |
| 18:37.36 | bluspacecow | hai2u cogwheely one |
| 18:37.49 | cogwheel | it's not my fault! |
| 18:37.51 | cogwheel | </hansolo> |
| 18:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | I've got a bad feeling about this. |
| 18:40.55 | Fisker | they can always Play Diablo 2 cogwheel :o |
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| 18:47.58 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 18:48.00 | Fisker | week ??? |
| 18:48.01 | Fisker | no belt |
| 18:49.40 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 18:49.42 | Stanzilla | but sword |
| 18:54.22 | bluspacecow | y no belt fisker how you pantz stay ups ? |
| 18:54.40 | Fisker | i have other belt bluspacecow |
| 18:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | But do not be fooled. He does not have pants, any more than I do. |
| 18:57.15 | bluspacecow | sexy. |
| 18:57.22 | Lopeppeppy | I know, right? |
| 18:59.27 | Kraps | is he a lefty or a righty |
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| 19:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | ambi |
| 19:20.37 | Fisker | i have heroic pants |
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| 19:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | Not epic purple? |
| 19:26.41 | Fisker | also epic purple |
| 19:27.57 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/r/aww/msg2g |
| 19:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, that's like putting a dog treat on their nose and making them stare at it cross eyed! No fair putting the snack so close. |
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| 19:35.41 | Cairenn|afk | awwww |
| 19:40.39 | Fisker | oneshot on a boat today Stanzilla :O |
| 19:40.54 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 19:41.03 | Fisker | very close one too D: |
| 19:41.07 | Fisker | had 100k hp left on the ship |
| 19:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hey, cool. Blizz is working with New York State on efforts to ban sex offenders from gaming websites. That's awesome. |
| 19:42.34 | Fisker | why is that cool? |
| 19:44.08 | Arrowmaster | at first i wasnt happy about that then somebody pointed out they are only banning 3.5k out of about 35k registered sex offenders |
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| 19:46.19 | Fisker | oh so you didn't make the cut Arrowmaster ? |
| 19:46.21 | Fisker | lucky you |
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| 19:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, because gaming sites have been where some of the more local incidents of child sex offenses have been solicited - it's a big concern in our local area. If sex offenders aren't allowed to be within X yards of areas that children are found in, then that should include the gaming sites that children are found in. |
| 19:48.30 | Dagmar | That basically bans them from the internet |
| 19:48.42 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71460119/sodouku.jpg |
| 19:48.45 | Dagmar | There's also a fine line there that can be a problem as well. |
| 19:48.58 | Arrowmaster | seriously though one of my highschool friends ended up a registered sex offender because of statutory rape charges, he was living with the girl and her parents |
| 19:49.11 | Dagmar | You can get flagged as a "sex offender" for a lot of things in some places, including mooning someone, or getting caught with a call girl |
| 19:49.28 | Arrowmaster | he just stopped coming to school for a month or so and whe he returned he had a fucking ankle braclet |
| 19:49.29 | Dagmar | Neither of thsoe things are generally any kind of indicator that you like to fondle little kids or sommething |
| 19:49.31 | Cairenn | or peeing 'in public' |
| 19:49.50 | Fisker | not to mention the whole thing about children being registered as sex offenders because they distributed nudes of themselves and shit |
| 19:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | True, there will be people that it catches that it shouldn't, perhaps. |
| 19:50.33 | foxlit | there's a broader problem |
| 19:50.41 | foxlit | why the heck are you maintaining a list of potential criminals? |
| 19:51.15 | Arrowmaster | the majority of registered sex offenders are not actually any risk to children |
| 19:51.19 | Lopeppeppy | Existing convicted criminals, foxlit. |
| 19:51.36 | foxlit | I don't really care. |
| 19:51.39 | Jamash | so how do they decide which ones to ban |
| 19:51.50 | Jamash | roll a d10? |
| 19:52.09 | foxlit | Either (a) they're no longer a danger to society, in which case the list is worthless or (b) they're still a danger to society, in which case why are they on free foot? |
| 19:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | It's only New York State, and it's the entire registry. |
| 19:52.29 | Jamash | "somebody pointed out they are only banning 3.5k out of about 35k registered sex offenders" ? |
| 19:53.00 | foxlit | Is there also a registry of convicted murderers? |
| 19:53.16 | foxlit | petty thieves? |
| 19:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | It could be that NYS only has that many out of that many, Jamash. What I read is stated more like "3500 so far" |
| 19:53.33 | Jamash | it's a stupid idea anyway |
| 19:53.44 | Unkle | Sex offender registries are the creepiest of never-ending penalties. |
| 19:53.57 | Jamash | another case of the shotgun approach to law enforcement |
| 19:54.09 | Arrowmaster | except this isnt law enforcemetn |
| 19:54.39 | Unkle | I mean, you get out of prison after a long stretch for say… murder - you don't have to go door to door to tell all your neighbors you killed someone. |
| 19:55.00 | Arrowmaster | facebook just banned a bunch of registered sex offenders even though a court found that a state could not make a law requiring them to |
| 19:55.36 | Unkle | Facebook - as a private entity has every right to chose whom they will provide service for. As do all those video game companies. |
| 19:55.42 | Jamash | and of course it *won't work* |
| 19:56.16 | Jamash | the ones who aren't a threat will provide their info and get banned unjustly, the ones who are a threat will lie and keep right on going |
| 19:56.27 | Unkle | I just find it disturbing that we have an entire class of criminal that we have decided should never, ever, under any conditions stop being punished for a crime. No matter how much punishment they've already recieved. |
| 19:56.53 | Dagmar | yeah that's the other problem I have with it |
| 19:57.14 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: right, and they will never do anything about it because of politics |
| 19:57.20 | Dagmar | With the restriction on where you can live, theres some whole cities they can't live in |
| 19:57.40 | Arrowmaster | its political suicide to try to fix the problems with the registered sex offender system |
| 19:57.46 | Dagmar | Like, as far as I know they can't really live anywhere inside of the entire capital county here because there's school and daycares literally all over the place |
| 19:58.16 | Jamash | clearly we should move them all to the moon |
| 19:58.26 | Unkle | And you can get on the registry way too easily. Espcially in NY. |
| 19:58.28 | Arrowmaster | can they force them to move is a new school or daycare opens near them? |
| 19:58.29 | foxlit | Jamash: no good, they'll lob rocks at you :( |
| 19:58.32 | Fisker | then they would rape the moon aliens :( |
| 19:58.47 | durcyn | using "for the children" as an excuse for anything should be punishable by flogging |
| 19:58.47 | Jamash | foxlit: bad novel is bad |
| 19:58.59 | Unkle | You're 16 and you sext your 16 year old g/f? DA can make you register as a sex offender. |
| 19:58.59 | Dagmar | My brother got all upset about finding out there was a "sex offender" on his street |
| 19:59.10 | foxlit | did you just call heinlein bad? |
| 19:59.12 | Jamash | yes |
| 19:59.14 | Dagmar | I got irked with my brother because he works for a place that can pull background records, but he didn't look into it |
| 19:59.16 | foxlit | okay then. |
| 19:59.23 | Dagmar | He *assumed* the guy got caught with young girls or something. |
| 19:59.27 | Unkle | foxlit: Hangin's too good fer 'im. |
| 19:59.34 | Dagmar | No, he got popped hiring a girl for a bachelor party. |
| 20:00.22 | Jamash | I mean, it's a brilliant novel if you take it as a satire of the entire concept of libertarianism, since the so-called libertarian paradise is portrayed as a fascist dictatorship with secret police and a fictional head of state |
| 20:00.41 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: YES, they can make them move |
| 20:00.45 | Jamash | but if taken at face value it's rubbish |
| 20:01.07 | Unkle | Oh yeah, I forgot… Jamash and I never agree on anything. |
| 20:01.14 | Jamash | do I know you? |
| 20:01.18 | Dagmar | Damnit what book are you guys talkign about |
| 20:01.24 | Dagmar | I know I've got to have read it |
| 20:01.26 | Jamash | the moon is a harsh mistress |
| 20:01.39 | Dagmar | Okay, yeah, that would have been when I was 12 |
| 20:01.46 | Unkle | Yes, you do. AKA Lunessa. Just decided to use my preferred nick finally. |
| 20:01.50 | Jamash | ah |
| 20:01.59 | Dagmar | No wonder I couldn't remember the title |
| 20:01.59 | Jamash | creepy unkle? |
| 20:02.16 | Unkle | I can be creepy I suppose. |
| 20:02.24 | Jamash | heinlein is the ronald reagan of science fiction |
| 20:02.39 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that a lot of what Heinlein wrote had to do with conventions and fandom |
| 20:02.52 | Dagmar | He wasn't just being a chuvanist for giggles |
| 20:02.56 | Dagmar | He was doing it for pussy |
| 20:03.02 | Unkle | … both of those statesments seem non-factual to me |
| 20:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | If all justice was as found on Luna, nobody would need any silly rules. |
| 20:03.48 | Dagmar | If you read the editors stuff for the pulp mags like Amazing Stories and whatnot, you'd see Asimov, Niven, and a few others basically carping about Heinlein bogarting the groupies. |
| 20:03.49 | bluspacecow | on Luna ? |
| 20:03.52 | bluspacecow | kinky |
| 20:04.48 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 20:04.56 | amro | self aware AI |
| 20:04.59 | amro | no thanks |
| 20:05.06 | amro | those books are never good |
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| 20:05.15 | Jamash | both reagan and heinlein started out as left wing commie pinko liberals, married right-wing women and flopped all the way to the other side |
| 20:06.04 | Jamash | and apparently gave up common sense and morality at the same time |
| 20:06.24 | Jamash | tragic really |
| 20:07.17 | Jamash | in other news I just did all the darkmoon faire quests on 7 characters |
| 20:07.22 | Jamash | I may be insane |
| 20:12.01 | Ressy | sounds it. :) |
| 20:18.11 | Jamash | why do I have flight paths for places I've never been? |
| 20:19.01 | foxlit | because you may want to go there. |
| 20:19.33 | foxlit | it's a mildly recent thing. You gain level-appropriate flight paths automatically |
| 20:19.38 | Jamash | I don't like it |
| 20:19.54 | Jamash | clicking on green exclamation marks is good times |
| 20:21.14 | Jamash | where I fish for cobalt? |
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| 20:23.56 | sylvanaar | haters |
| 20:23.59 | sylvanaar | :( |
| 20:24.19 | Jamash | haters gotta hate |
| 20:25.18 | Unkle | If you want to click on green exclamation marks, go to areas too high for your currentl level. |
| 20:25.38 | Jamash | but how will I get there without flight paths??? |
| 20:25.56 | Jamash | :P |
| 20:25.56 | Unkle | They see you rollin' they be hatin'. |
| 20:26.20 | Jamash | you left a t out |
| 20:27.20 | Unkle | now I be hatin' |
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| 20:56.35 | Fisker | haters gonna haste |
| 20:56.58 | haste | haste gonna Fisker |
| 20:57.55 | Kraps | never go full fisker |
| 20:58.15 | Jamash | let's get fiskered? |
| 20:58.27 | Jamash | that sounds dirtier than I really wanted it to |
| 21:06.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 21:06.42 | Fisker | i'm tired |
| 21:06.43 | Fisker | and bored |
| 21:06.45 | Fisker | and Jamash |
| 21:15.19 | Jamash | I'm a little teapot |
| 21:20.49 | Fisker | short and stout? |
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| 21:32.29 | Jamash | yup |
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| 21:32.43 | Fisker | hey |
| 21:32.48 | Jamash | no |
| 21:35.28 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 21:35.30 | Fisker | why so akf |
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| 21:46.41 | Arrowmaster | google tablet coming in july, sounds like a late birthday gift for me |
| 21:49.17 | Dagmar | I *WANT* those glasses |
| 21:49.35 | Dagmar | I would also like it if they didn't make phone calls. |
| 21:49.50 | Dagmar | I would rather cell phone providers not decide they need to start arguing for functionality to be removed. |
| 21:50.13 | Dagmar | It's taken a few tries to get a VOIP client working on the Xoom. |
| 21:50.14 | Arrowmaster | its probably voip only |
| 21:50.16 | Dagmar | This isn't something that is even hard |
| 21:50.17 | Arrowmaster | we can hope |
| 21:50.29 | Dagmar | ...and yet there's definite anticompetitive dickery going on |
| 21:50.58 | Arrowmaster | at least when REAL 4g comes around it will be all voip |
| 21:51.08 | Dagmar | That should be interesting |
| 21:51.32 | Dagmar | Providers in some markets have been trying to block VOIP, claiming it somehow costs them more money |
| 21:51.51 | Dagmar | I think, "That's too fuckin' bad." |
| 21:52.23 | Dagmar | I have exactly zero mercy in me for them, for all the bullshit they've done in the last decade to screw with people. |
| 21:52.45 | Dagmar | Having firmware features disabled, then abandoning technology entirely when it turns out they can't forcibly turn it into a new pay gateway. |
| 21:53.02 | Dagmar | Innovate or get out of the fuckin' way. |
| 22:00.18 | Arrowmaster | oh god this is so fucking horrible http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4OnDizZ7UT0# |
| 22:01.37 | Arrowmaster | and this is the only thing that could be any worse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBPeAv_DCVs&feature=relmfu |
| 22:03.38 | Dagmar | I'd like to take a moment to remind you that that is, in fact, line dancing. |
| 22:03.57 | pompy | http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=caskets ...... |
| 22:04.15 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 22:04.31 | Arrowmaster | IS THERE ANYTHING WALMART DOESNT SELL! |
| 22:05.07 | Dagmar | The souls they take in. |
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| 22:05.17 | Dagmar | Oh, and self-respect. |
| 22:06.13 | Arrowmaster | well i just did a search on walmart that will probably come back to haunt me in some form because now its in their database |
| 22:06.28 | Fisker | so if you don't get the american patriot casket you're a traitor? |
| 22:06.34 | Arrowmaster | they in fact do not sell uranium |
| 22:06.58 | Fisker | seems like something a "no terrorism please"-clause would fix Arrowmaster |
| 22:07.22 | Kaylin | but they do sell Americanium |
| 22:07.42 | Kaylin | Americium* |
| 22:09.43 | Kaylin | course that's a lot of smoke detectors to buy |
| 22:12.46 | Fisker | what about anthrax detectors? |
| 22:13.15 | Fisker | damn |
| 22:13.18 | Fisker | no anthrax detectors |
| 22:13.46 | Fisker | but a metal detector :o |
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| 22:15.11 | mckenziemc | a Fisker detector might be nice, if the smallest detectable dose of Fisker gas wasn't lethal : / |
| 22:22.36 | Torhal | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEN5R4jRzwM&feature=player_embedded |
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| 22:36.41 | Adys | any dev familiar with dbus around? |
| 22:40.17 | Kraps | http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/3/26/7879baf4-f8ad-426f-8430-18dfaad48aa4.jpg |
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| 23:06.17 | zenzelezz | muffins + Morgans = win |
| 23:07.24 | wereHamster | does the MoP installer still refuse to install if the system uses case sensitive filesystem? (even though I'm installing into a bundle formatted with case *insensitive* filesystem.. |
| 23:07.57 | wereHamster | I know the WoW installer had the same problem a year ago |
| 23:10.56 | wereHamster | also, why does it require admin privileges? |
| 23:15.20 | Arrowmaster | dont install to program files and it wont need admin privileges |
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| 23:25.25 | Adys | ah |
| 23:25.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: found it |
| 23:25.27 | Adys | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-October/158845.html |
| 23:26.11 | Corgan | o hi adys |
| 23:26.18 | Adys | Hi Corgan |
| 23:26.42 | Corgan | how's it goin bruh |
| 23:26.54 | Adys | good, brah |
| 23:27.08 | Dagmar | e + f = "We're making a big mess for ourselves and fully expect to have to do a shitload or greater amount of work to fix what we're proposing is so simple" |
| 23:27.42 | Dagmar | What they're proposing is still insane |
| 23:27.55 | Adys | why! |
| 23:28.01 | Adys | why?* |
| 23:28.10 | Dagmar | They're not actually solving any problems. |
| 23:28.29 | Dagmar | i == "If you're not using an initrd then fuck you" |
| 23:28.43 | Jamash|akf | getting rid of the s directories, ok, but getting rid of /bin seems foolish |
| 23:29.05 | Adys | Dagmar: who doesn't use an initrd? |
| 23:29.13 | Dagmar | The majority of the problems they think they're solving are solved with $PATH |
| 23:29.14 | Arrowmaster | Adys: the part about sbin already being in the path of normal users a fedora specific thing though, personally id rather not have the stuff that i cant do ANYTHING with in my path, though on debian ifconfig is only in sbin but a normal user can use it so that i would move to usr |
| 23:29.15 | Adys | honest question there |
| 23:29.21 | Dagmar | Adys: Slackware, for one thing. |
| 23:29.36 | Dagmar | They're basically proposing that flexibility in the boot process be reduced |
| 23:29.39 | Adys | yeah but you're missing the point |
| 23:29.57 | Adys | they're not saying "Hello linux users! Today, you shall all merge /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin into /usr/bin!" |
| 23:30.10 | Adys | they're saying "now, we do that in fedora. Slackware can do whatever it fucking wants" |
| 23:30.22 | Jamash|akf | yeah that's an even more terrible idea |
| 23:30.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: does /usr on a separate partition work on slack? |
| 23:30.27 | Dagmar | THen they don't need to address g at all |
| 23:30.50 | Adys | g is a simplification for them |
| 23:30.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster; It does when you know enough about what's going on to move the few non-static things out of it |
| 23:31.03 | Adys | "we no longer care where binaries are, to us they're all in /usr/bin" |
| 23:31.16 | Dagmar | ...and that's pointless. |
| 23:31.26 | Dagmar | They should be in $PATH |
| 23:31.46 | Arrowmaster | g is just saying they will symlink everything else to /usr/bin so when you run make install it ends up in /usr/bin instead of one of the other 3 |
| 23:31.48 | Dagmar | Trying to "simplify" things for compatibilty is useless |
| 23:31.53 | Adys | he makes a good case why $PATH is useless at the /(usr/)(s)bin level |
| 23:32.45 | Adys | hardcoding paths is encouraged due to perf reasons |
| 23:32.55 | Adys | and every user already has /sbin /usr/sbin in their path |
| 23:32.56 | Dagmar | Now that's just bullshit |
| 23:33.06 | Adys | i dont know/care if its bullshit |
| 23:33.07 | Arrowmaster | again, thats fedora specific |
| 23:33.09 | Dagmar | Citing "performance" is utterly laughable there. |
| 23:33.12 | Adys | but a lot of people hardcode paths |
| 23:33.16 | Adys | and thats not fedora-specific |
| 23:33.32 | Arrowmaster | i dont have /sbin or /usr/sbin in my path |
| 23:33.35 | Dagmar | The one reason to hard-code paths is to prevent user-interference in an admin-level operation |
| 23:33.41 | Adys | Arrowmaster: then dont merge /usr |
| 23:33.53 | Dagmar | Everything ships with bash, and not even ash has problems with finding something in $PATH |
| 23:33.53 | Arrowmaster | i wont |
| 23:34.04 | Arrowmaster | i let my distros devs worry about this stuff |
| 23:34.11 | Dagmar | Bash just reads it all into a freaking hash and then doesn't bother to look again until you tell it to |
| 23:34.21 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: not everything ships with bash |
| 23:34.34 | Dagmar | I know, and none of the shells have a problem with this anymore |
| 23:34.46 | Adys | Dagmar: theres less people with bash than initrd |
| 23:34.50 | Dagmar | If you're iteratively calling anything from bash thousands of times in a row, you're probably fucking up in some other way |
| 23:35.05 | Adys | the guy is not citing performance |
| 23:35.11 | Adys | he's saying hardcoding paths is ENCOURAGED |
| 23:35.18 | Dagmar | ...but please, tell me which distros _aren't_ shipping either bash or busybox |
| 23:35.19 | Adys | he's not encouraging himself, he's stating something |
| 23:35.32 | Dagmar | Neither suffers from a performance problem due to $path involving a short list of directories |
| 23:35.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well not linux but theres bsds that dont come with bash |
| 23:35.44 | Adys | still missing the point |
| 23:36.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That's a solved problem for them as well as far as I know |
| 23:36.14 | Arrowmaster | right, they use csh by default... eww |
| 23:36.32 | Dagmar | ...and now the problem has scoped out to all unixes, somehow. |
| 23:36.46 | Dagmar | Might as well declare all binaries should be in "C:\Windows\System32" and call it a day. |
| 23:36.54 | Adys | also, what sells me is k |
| 23:37.05 | Adys | more broadly, that snapshots are *easy* |
| 23:37.36 | Dagmar | Except practically no one's using btrfs yet |
| 23:37.46 | Adys | irrelevant |
| 23:37.48 | Dagmar | That's definitely an edge case |
| 23:37.54 | Adys | snapshots become easier |
| 23:37.58 | Adys | regardless of your fs |
| 23:38.14 | Arrowmaster | thats one of the things i will agree with, /bin and /sbin are more linked to what in /usr than the rest of the stuff that has to be in / |
| 23:38.22 | Dagmar | Snapshots are easy with LVM regardless |
| 23:38.50 | Adys | Dagmar: defeating the point |
| 23:39.11 | Adys | the whole point of this is "let's simplify this, because we dont need the extra complexity" |
| 23:39.18 | Dagmar | No, i'm pointing out that the majority of the "problems" they are trying to solve don't actually exist. |
| 23:39.33 | Adys | if you do need the extra complexity, odds are you're using a distro that doesnt do a usrmerge |
| 23:39.48 | Dagmar | The /sbin directories can go, but the rest of this stuff is fappery, lennart-style |
| 23:40.10 | Adys | dont see what this has to do with lennart |
| 23:40.44 | Dagmar | He's got a habit of producing solutions in search of problems, then not cleaning up the new problems. |
| 23:41.00 | Dagmar | pulseaudio was genius at that |
| 23:41.02 | Adys | he didnt propose the usrmerge |
| 23:41.09 | Adys | and he got a bad name because of pulse but thats about it |
| 23:41.26 | Dagmar | I didn't say he did propose it, I said it was his style |
| 23:44.00 | Arrowmaster | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/anti-bullying-laws-christian-religious-freedom_n_1406757.html |
| 23:44.03 | Arrowmaster | "tell Christian parents that their children have the responsibility to share their faith with others" |
| 23:44.11 | Arrowmaster | these are the kinda people i want to purge from this world |
| 23:44.13 | Arrowmaster | with fire |
| 23:44.27 | Adys | Dagmar: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-100Mb-broadband/Superhub-reset-to-firmware-defaults-without-reason-should-I-be/m-p/1129357 |
| 23:44.49 | Adys | "Oh, your router reset to firmware defaults? Turn it off and on again, that should solve it!" |
| 23:44.56 | Adys | if people don't know, they should shut the fuck up. |
| 23:45.37 | Dagmar | Wow. They're new to cablemodems. |
| 23:46.04 | Dagmar | Those things are practically brain dead until they've gotten a tftp image with the configuration details from pretty much "whatever sends them one" |
| 23:46.21 | Adys | They? |
| 23:46.38 | Dagmar | Yes you apparently. |
| 23:46.48 | Dagmar | That's the sort of behaviour those things have always exhibited. |
| 23:47.01 | Dagmar | It's _irritating_ but it happens |
| 23:47.02 | Adys | dunno, in 4 years I hadnt seen this before |
| 23:47.35 | Adys | figured it might happen once in a while but wanted to check if it was because of damage or if it was because of stupid |
| 23:47.50 | Dagmar | Now, a manufacturer tying the wireless settings into that, which should be separate from the HFC config... That's dumb-ass engineering right there unless it's explicitly meant to extend admin control of the wireless to the service provider |
| 23:47.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable169.141-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:48.16 | Dagmar | Probably at least 60% stupid going on (not on your part) |
| 23:48.56 | Dagmar | If they lose sync they sort of work backwards very quickly until they're assuming nothing as if they were just moved from one network to an entirely different provider |
| 23:49.23 | Dagmar | ...which is mainly to stop 1,000's of support calls coming in when the provider changes their headend configuration radically or upgrades it |
| 23:49.24 | Adys | beh |
| 23:49.38 | Dagmar | The rebooting on it's own thing is probably bad. |
| 23:49.56 | Dagmar | Have someone check the signal levels and then watch things carefully |
| 23:50.12 | Adys | hasnt happened since |
| 23:50.28 | Dagmar | If the signal is irregular because of a defective distribution amp (like DOGS PEEING ON IT) it'll drive the cablemodem batty |
| 23:51.01 | Dagmar | It may well repeatedly wind up saying "Fuck this. I've no idea what's happening so I'm going to assume I'm at fault and reboot" |
| 23:51.20 | Adys | urgh |
| 23:51.29 | Dagmar | I had a *lot* of time to look at that crap about five years ago when I had a neighbor's dog peeing on the distro amp outside my place |
| 23:51.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@c-67-201-212-12.reshall.wwu.edu) |
| 23:51.56 | Dagmar | The only thing that clued me in is that for some reason, when the temperature got below 19F, it didn't happen |
| 23:52.18 | Dagmar | Thermal issues I can understand, but anything being fixed by an ambient temp that low is WTF-territory |
| 23:52.36 | Dagmar | I wound up sitting outside in a patio chair and just watching everything very carefully for about an hour |
| 23:52.53 | Dagmar | This had been going on for months and months between 6am and 7am for about a year |
| 23:53.11 | Dagmar | What it amounted to was when it was that damn cold the woman just made her dog pee on a piddle pad |
| 23:53.25 | Dagmar | ...because the dog wouldn't go out. Hehe |
| 23:54.05 | Dagmar | I was like "This has got to be something organic, and it has to be nearby because it's not affecting anyone but me and a small handful of my neighbors" |
| 23:54.20 | Dagmar | I didnt' even know where the amp was until I saw the dog |
| 23:54.30 | Dagmar | You could hear the thing hissing |
| 23:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i had a teacher tell a similar story about how a guys internet connection would go out when it rained, turned out the box was in an area that flooded easily |
| 23:55.44 | Arrowmaster | i think specifically, some idiot had put the box at the bottom of a ditch |
| 23:56.07 | Adys | Ive been back-watching the daily show day by day. it's funny when you know what happens two months later. |
