| 00:04.06 | Shirik | obtw |
| 00:04.11 | Shirik | In case Cide didn't mention it |
| 00:04.59 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43d11282921b672e5d0f7ff6ce092bd7.jpg this is how you win the heroic deathwing mount |
| 00:07.16 | Maldivia | well, it a 1:100 chance for that :P |
| 00:07.44 | Shirik | lua> .5 * .5 * .1 |
| 00:07.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.025 |
| 00:07.51 | Shirik | eh? |
| 00:07.52 | Shirik | oops |
| 00:07.55 | Shirik | lua> .5 * .5 * .01 |
| 00:07.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.0025 |
| 00:08.05 | Shirik | 0.25% chance to beat 2 people that rolled a 95 with a 100 |
| 00:08.13 | Shirik | (95 or better, that is) |
| 00:08.25 | Maldivia | no, you have a 100% chance to beat a 95 if you roll 100 :P |
| 00:08.33 | Shirik | ._. |
| 00:08.39 | Ali1331v2 | 1/20 |
| 00:09.05 | Ali1331v2 | for you to win that roll over a 95 |
| 00:09.17 | Shirik | 2 95s, and to get a 100 over 2 95+s is 0.25% |
| 00:09.30 | Ali1331v2 | the fact two people got it doesnt matter |
| 00:09.38 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 00:09.43 | Ali1331v2 | their roll has no impact on yours |
| 00:09.45 | Shirik | because nobody cares about when you get a 100 |
| 00:09.50 | Shirik | people care when you beat a high roll with a 100 |
| 00:09.52 | Maldivia | well, you got the 100 before them :P |
| 00:10.06 | Shirik | they still felt the need to roll :P |
| 00:10.08 | Ali1331v2 | 1% chance for you to roll 100 |
| 00:10.25 | Ali1331v2 | other rolls matter not |
| 00:10.36 | Shirik | Ali1331v2, trust me, I am fairly well versed in probability theory, I know perfectly well the chances of me getting a 100 |
| 00:10.37 | Maldivia | Shirik: yeah, so they just failed to beat your 100 |
| 00:10.39 | Shirik | you're missing the point |
| 00:11.06 | Shirik | fine |
| 00:11.09 | Shirik | I change my point |
| 00:11.10 | Ali1331v2 | well their rolls have no impact on yours, you had a 1% chance with or without them rolling so I don't get how it's .25% |
| 00:11.14 | Shirik | I HAS HEROIC DEATHWING MOUNT U NOT |
| 00:11.30 | Shirik | Ali1331v2: I give up explaining it to you then |
| 00:11.37 | Ali1331v2 | l2statistics |
| 00:11.50 | Shirik | You're kidding, right? |
| 00:11.53 | Ali1331v2 | nope |
| 00:12.03 | Maldivia | Ali1331v2: learn to read... he said that ther's a .25% change that you will beat two people who've rolled 95 each |
| 00:12.13 | Maldivia | of that happening, that is |
| 00:12.14 | Shirik | I am pretty sure I have a better knowledge of statistics than you |
| 00:12.26 | Ali1331v2 | you beat 1 95 you've beaten 2 |
| 00:13.18 | Shirik | slightly off Maldivia, actually what I said was the chance of two people rolling 95 or better AND me beating them with a 100 |
| 00:13.31 | Maldivia | ahh yeah |
| 00:13.32 | Shirik | which actually I typoed into luabot so it's far less than that |
| 00:13.39 | Shirik | lua> .05 * .05 * .01 |
| 00:13.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.5e-05 |
| 00:13.39 | Maldivia | meh - its 2am, I'm excused |
| 00:13.44 | Ali1331v2 | you phrased it badly :/ |
| 00:14.09 | Maldivia | Shirik: yeah, I was wondering about the 50%, but didn't care to comment on that :P |
| 00:14.24 | Shirik | decimal places aren't important |
| 00:14.33 | Shirik | I was just using different units >.> |
| 00:14.43 | Shirik | it was good enough for the mars lander |
| 00:15.06 | Ali1331v2 | didnt they all crash? |
| 00:15.10 | Ali1331v2 | ./joke |
| 00:16.34 | Maldivia | wasn't it the challenger that blew up because of meter vs feet cnfusion? |
| 00:17.10 | Ali1331v2 | how long is it usually before blizz sends beta key batches to addon sites? |
| 00:17.28 | Ali1331v2 | 'usually' since there's been 2/3 betas... |
| 00:17.34 | Shirik | Maldivia: I thouht it was a lander, maybe I was wrong |
| 00:17.35 | Ressy | Usually doesn't happen until after addons are enabled. |
| 00:17.43 | Shirik | I thought the challenger was an O-ring failure |
| 00:17.50 | Ressy | Addons aren't enabled, therefore no addon author beta keys yet. |
| 00:17.52 | Ali1331v2 | mmm i remember having Cata key before addons |
| 00:18.03 | Shirik | "CNN NASA lost a 125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agencys team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation, according to a review finding released Thursday." |
| 00:18.36 | Ali1331v2 | why is space so expensive... |
| 00:19.14 | Shirik | Ali1331v2: The aerospace field averages about 1 line of code per developer-hour. That by itself adds up very quickly |
| 00:19.18 | Shirik | and that's not even material cost. |
| 00:19.21 | Ali1331v2 | wow |
| 00:19.40 | Ali1331v2 | I guess it's all mathsy complicated stuff though |
| 00:19.48 | Maldivia | Shirik: yeah ok, so the mars orbiter |
| 00:19.54 | TC-Work | this is from the head of the 3D and integration department here about a user who decided to up and move hist entire system setup to another location "Seriously - who does that? I just figured his old machine got shipped out and he just took over one at that desk when he got back. Honestly. F-in kindergarten around here some days." |
| 00:19.58 | Shirik | it has little to do with math, it's all about ensuring it actually works correctly |
| 00:20.01 | TC-Work | his* |
| 00:20.16 | Shirik | 100% modified condition/decision coverage |
| 00:20.23 | Shirik | requirements traceability |
| 00:20.25 | Shirik | all that good stuff |
| 00:20.46 | Ali1331v2 | yay...requirements |
| 00:21.07 | Maldivia | you wouldn't want it any other way in that field! |
| 00:21.10 | Ali1331v2 | nearly finished with a group project to build a website to manage software requirements... |
| 00:21.16 | Ali1331v2 | majorly dull |
| 00:21.38 | Ali1331v2 | not really satisfied with how it works either, but I was the only one who bothered to code |
| 00:21.54 | Shirik | and of course you didn't actually code until you had requirements, right? |
| 00:22.16 | Ali1331v2 | our supervisor suggested we do it in a language I'd never used before |
| 00:22.16 | Shirik | http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/steverumsby/2006/01/30/dilbert20060121046729.jpg?maxWidth=800&maxHeight=600 comes to mind |
| 00:22.20 | Ali1331v2 | so I had to learn that first |
| 00:23.09 | Ali1331v2 | but ye it looks nothing like the initial design |
| 00:23.35 | Maldivia | sounds like it was badly designed then:P |
| 00:23.57 | Ali1331v2 | well the people who wouldnt/couldnt code designed it so they could say they did something |
| 00:24.47 | Shirik | sometimes I dream about a world where all software were fully specified and designed prior to implementation |
| 00:24.55 | Shirik | and unit tested! |
| 00:25.08 | Shirik | There's so many simple things you can do to produce much better software |
| 00:25.37 | sylvanaar | how about software without any users |
| 00:25.49 | sylvanaar | it would never malfunction |
| 00:25.52 | Shirik | For example: We don't use built-in data types ANYWHERE. We use "Distance" or "Time" etc. |
| 00:26.07 | Maldivia | but there are also a lot of software where you cant do analysis and design first |
| 00:26.08 | Shirik | no more worrying about whether you're assigning meters to feet |
| 00:26.21 | Shirik | let the data types handle that |
| 00:26.28 | Shirik | and if you try to assign meters to seconds, you get an error |
| 00:26.56 | Maldivia | well, that just makes sense from a OO PoV |
| 00:27.17 | Maldivia | and can eliminate a lot of errors :P |
| 00:28.00 | Ali1331v2 | so you have like Distance.setFeet(40) ? and .getMeters etc? |
| 00:28.49 | Shirik | You should never be trying to get to numbers in the first place, though I recognize sometimes you have to initialize something, so something similar to the former (though a bit more graceful) |
| 00:29.03 | Shirik | but if you're doing getMeters you're probably doing something wrong in the first place |
| 00:29.30 | Shirik | We would use a constructor for initialization though |
| 00:29.34 | Ali1331v2 | mm i'm only a 2nd year compsci student so...(im so graceful though! :P) |
| 00:29.58 | Shirik | we simply don't use int, double, whatever, anywhere |
| 00:30.09 | Shirik | and so long as you keep it out of your code, you can keep it that way |
| 00:30.26 | Maldivia | well, you can't keep it completely out :P |
| 00:30.33 | foxlit | Shirik stores all his numbers in a void* |
| 00:30.42 | Shirik | not far off |
| 00:30.52 | Arrowmaster | well that good idea just went to shit.... http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/30/obisidian-to-co-develop-wasteland-2-on-one-condition/ |
| 00:31.02 | Maldivia | well, your Distance object still has to store the value somehow |
| 00:31.06 | Shirik | ok sure |
| 00:31.28 | Shirik | but let's imagine that were a language or OS level feature |
| 00:31.43 | Shirik | from your perspective as an application developer, you wouldn't worry about it anymore |
| 00:31.52 | Synse | beta logon servers, y u borked!? |
| 00:32.01 | Ali1331v2 | more abstraction! Scalar/Vector types |
| 00:32.35 | Shirik | but I mean this is something that is so incredibly simple to do |
| 00:32.38 | Shirik | (in most languages) |
| 00:32.43 | Shirik | and would lead to far more robust programs |
| 00:32.56 | LonnyHawk | I can't see how it will work, unless, the language operates at a very high level |
| 00:32.58 | Shirik | and the languages that can't? Just put a suffix on all of your variables or something; something that wouldn't pass a code review. |
| 00:33.01 | Ali1331v2 | random question, whats the easiest framework/lib to use for 3D rendering on linux? |
| 00:33.26 | Shirik | LonnyHawk: Do you consider C++ a "very high level"? |
| 00:33.36 | LonnyHawk | nop |
| 00:33.54 | Shirik | C++ could handle that just fine |
| 00:35.15 | Ali1331v2 | i need to make a concept-map 3d desktop for linux for my 3rd year project |
| 00:35.21 | Ali1331v2 | ughhh |
| 00:37.20 | LonnyHawk | Well, it will probably work for the domain of the software not the framework that it consumes/uses |
| 00:38.07 | Shirik | that's why it's wonderful to work in embedded systems |
| 00:38.15 | Shirik | you get to develop from the OS up and not rely on anyone |
| 00:38.59 | LonnyHawk | ;) |
| 00:39.20 | Shirik | regardless, minimizing your contact with external interfaces is a sign of a good design |
| 00:39.27 | Shirik | putting a layer between it and your application code is not a bad idea |
| 00:40.51 | LonnyHawk | yeah |
| 00:41.44 | Shirik | on a totally different note |
| 00:41.48 | Shirik | why do people think this is amusing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/6606974 |
| 00:42.40 | haste | You do not have permission to see details of this entry. |
| 00:43.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:43.15 | Shirik | adding a line to an article "soldiers are epicer than your moma" |
| 00:44.12 | TC-Work | i dunno about amusing, but possibly correct |
| 00:45.41 | Cide | You do not have permission to see details of this entry. |
| 00:46.24 | Shirik | Cide, what's the deal with sweden and denmark |
| 00:46.41 | Shirik | like it seems like sweden is always slapping denmark for being stupid |
| 00:47.10 | Ali1331v2 | like the world slaps america? |
| 00:47.40 | Shirik | http://satwcomic.com/wild-ghost |
| 00:47.48 | Shirik | also whoever originally linked this comic = win |
| 00:48.32 | Ali1331v2 | ha "hadn't herd" |
| 00:49.18 | Ali1331v2 | now realises he earlier tried to best a Statistical Engineer in a game of statistics *shame* |
| 00:49.42 | Arrowmaster | the fuck, i just got an email saying my battle.net account has been locked for suspicious activity |
| 00:49.47 | Shirik | second pic: http://satwcomic.com/iceland-ain-t-right |
| 00:50.05 | Ali1331v2 | fake arrow? |
| 00:50.12 | Arrowmaster | nope its legit |
| 00:50.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Happens to me every so often too |
| 00:50.36 | Arrowmaster | although when i went to battle.net i was still logged in but after logging out and trying to log back in it wont let me until i reset my password |
| 00:51.27 | tem | did the beta realms ever come back up? |
| 00:54.42 | Ressy | Down for maintenance for an hour or so |
| 00:54.48 | tem | cool |
| 00:55.08 | Mr_Rabies | do you travel a lot or does your ip change a lot or anything Arrowmaster? |
| 00:55.15 | Arrowmaster | no and no |
| 00:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | that is pretty concerning, do you have an authenticator? |
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| 00:56.08 | Arrowmaster | never linked it to my account since my wow sub had been canceled for years |
| 00:56.37 | LonnyHawk | Does the event '__index' of the setmetatable gets fired recursively from the parent for any missing key of a nested table or I need to handle that case myself ? |
| 00:58.09 | Arrowmaster | blizzard should learn from google and have login history available so i could have a clue as to why this happened |
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| 01:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | if you share that password, then probably that way |
| 01:07.38 | Arrowmaster | and i cant even login to wow because of some update |
| 01:07.45 | Fisker | Definitely your messed up ip Arrowmaster |
| 01:07.48 | Arrowmaster | its downloading 5+ gigs |
| 01:08.13 | Arrowmaster | my ip hasnt changed in years |
| 01:08.41 | Fisker | Which is totally suspicious |
| 01:09.19 | Fisker | I want to sleep |
| 01:09.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's pretty nuts Arrowmaster |
| 01:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh, wait, you said you have been canceled for years |
| 01:10.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah until this month |
| 01:10.21 | Arrowmaster | when i reinstalled wow |
| 01:10.23 | Fisker | Why would you do that though? |
| 01:10.31 | Arrowmaster | because Ackis paid for it |
| 01:10.54 | Fisker | And he's a cheapskate |
| 01:10.59 | Fisker | Got it |
| 01:11.30 | Arrowmaster | but why am i downloading 5+ gigs when i just played wow earlier this month |
| 01:11.36 | Fisker | And a jerk like Parnic |
| 01:11.54 | Fisker | Upgraded account? |
| 01:12.02 | LonnyHawk | Maybe you're doingloading the 64bit client ? |
| 01:12.08 | LonnyHawk | downloading* |
| 01:12.20 | Fisker | Don't be absurd |
| 01:12.38 | Arrowmaster | 64bit client is only an exe |
| 01:12.59 | LonnyHawk | true dunno ;p |
| 01:13.39 | Fisker | I think I covered that in "don't be absurd" |
| 01:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's pretty weird, Arrowmaster |
| 01:14.44 | Mr_Rabies | what antivirus do you use? |
| 01:14.47 | LonnyHawk | Then Blizzard just like to torture you |
| 01:15.02 | LonnyHawk | :) |
| 01:15.27 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: linux |
| 01:15.27 | Ressy | Arrowmaster, its possible you only downloaded the core client, and reaching further areas/levels of the game, means more to download. |
| 01:16.15 | Arrowmaster | probably, it finally let me play after a while |
| 01:16.15 | Ressy | The flag which says which expansion you're on is set on login, and only after you log out again does the launcher pick it up and grab more content from the servers. |
| 01:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | oh, it could easily be wine screwing with something triggering the auto-repair tool and also flagging for suspicious activity |
| 01:16.35 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: its not because ive not logged into wow for 2 weeks |
| 01:16.40 | Fisker | already covered that too |
| 01:16.50 | LonnyHawk | lol |
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| 01:16.55 | Arrowmaster | or d3 beta for half a week |
| 01:17.33 | Arrowmaster | this is why i said blizzard needs to learn from google and fucking tell me what the suspecious activity was |
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| 01:29.27 | Shirik | yay |
| 01:29.34 | Shirik | has officially made an impact on the WoW TCG Rules |
| 01:30.12 | Shirik | new version of comprehensive rules released eliminates my way of keeping a card in play even after you lose |
| 01:32.19 | mckenziemc | hacker |
| 01:32.53 | Shirik | it's creative use of game mechanics |
| 01:32.54 | pompy | ha the #1 post on reddit at the moment says if the guy wins the lottery 2nite the first thing he'll do is purchase a winrar license |
| 01:33.02 | Shirik | "102.2 A player that loses the game is removed from the game by the game (103.3). A player that’s removed from the game loses the game. All cards that player owns are removed from the game >>by the game<<." |
| 01:33.05 | Shirik | That "by the game" is important |
| 01:33.41 | Shirik | If you had a card that says it can't leave play, then you put it under your partner's control, it stays in after you lose (without that text) |
| 01:34.22 | Shirik | I think the lottery's actual goal is to ruin people's lives |
| 01:35.09 | karl_w_w | pompy: obviously trolling |
| 01:36.01 | pompy | i doubt it |
| 01:36.04 | pompy | he probably would |
| 01:36.27 | Synse | Anyone know if there is a realm status page for beta? |
| 01:37.28 | pompy | ~alert |
| 01:37.28 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 01:37.34 | pompy | ~wowalert |
| 01:37.34 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 01:38.04 | pompy | wonder what the beta lik wuould be |
| 01:38.07 | pompy | link |
| 01:39.25 | Ressy | I don't believe they have one. |
| 01:47.07 | pompy | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/world-of-warcraft-realm-status/ haha |
| 01:49.50 | Shirik | survey time |
| 01:50.01 | Shirik | Serious question, how do you pronounce $ when you encounter it in code (if you do at all)? |
| 01:51.18 | Synse | $someVar = "something"; // some var equals something |
| 01:53.11 | Torhal | I'd kill someone for comments like those. |
| 01:56.22 | LonnyHawk | I think comments on variables are useless, if you need to add a comment to a variable then you probably didn't think enough about the name |
| 01:59.04 | Torhal | a = 3; // LOLWUT? |
| 01:59.29 | LonnyHawk | haha |
| 02:00.56 | karl_w_w | Shirik: dollar sign |
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| 02:05.49 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 02:06.17 | airtonix | karl_w_w: no ... |
| 02:06.23 | airtonix | Shirik: dorrah |
| 02:06.33 | Shirik | nobody said "string" :( |
| 02:06.42 | airtonix | nobody cared |
| 02:06.51 | Shirik | I bet Iriel would have said "string" |
| 02:06.54 | airtonix | no |
| 02:06.54 | TC-Work | becase no one actually says string |
| 02:07.08 | Shirik | I do |
| 02:07.11 | airtonix | i actually only use $ in variables (in javascript) when it's representing a jquery object |
| 02:07.14 | TC-Work | unless you are in the theoretical physics pedt. |
| 02:07.18 | TC-Work | dept.* |
| 02:13.26 | karl_w_w | because $ doesn't signify strings in all languages? |
| 02:23.35 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.46 | karl_w_w | are you a communist? |
| 02:34.54 | Shirik | hey Fisker, what do you think of sweden? |
| 02:35.04 | kd3 | welp, I've got 2 tickets. |
| 02:35.13 | Shirik | for? |
| 02:35.19 | kd3 | I think that still gives me a better chance of getting struck by lightning daily for a week or something |
| 02:35.22 | kd3 | the lottery |
| 02:35.25 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:35.27 | Shirik | I have 5 |
| 02:35.33 | Shirik | just because an entire play card is 5 |
| 02:35.38 | Shirik | and I was like "whatever" |
| 02:35.47 | Shirik | the way I look at it, this way, you can't say "well I didn't win because I didn't play" |
| 02:35.51 | Shirik | SOMEONE has to win |
| 02:35.53 | kd3 | I would've put in more but I only had $2 on me and I didn't want to go to the atm just for tickets |
| 02:36.11 | Shirik | and besides, the money goes to a good cause |
| 02:36.12 | TC-Work | Shirik: are you sure? |
| 02:36.23 | kd3 | yup, it's helping pay for my edumacation |
| 02:36.31 | TC-Work | no one won the 300+ mill one |
| 02:36.40 | Shirik | eventually someone has to win |
| 02:36.44 | TC-Work | yes |
| 02:37.39 | Shirik | also wtf you can still buy tickets kd3? |
| 02:37.43 | Shirik | Here you have to buy early |
| 02:37.53 | kd3 | cutoff probably just passed 7 minutes ago |
| 02:37.55 | TC-Work | i have 7 more min to buy |
| 02:38.03 | kd3 | the drawing's in 22 minutes |
| 02:38.14 | Shirik | Oregon you have to be at least an hour before |
| 02:39.32 | TC-Work | here is is 15 min before |
| 02:39.51 | TC-Work | it is* |
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| 02:49.07 | TC-Work | I wonder if Lunessa bought one since he always says it's a tax on poor people |
| 02:54.58 | Shirik | hey Iriel |
| 02:55.04 | Shirik | how do you pronounce $ in code? |
| 02:55.25 | Iriel | Dollar |
| 02:55.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:55.37 | Shirik | I guess I truly am the only one then |
| 02:55.39 | Iriel | How do you pronounce it? |
| 02:55.55 | Shirik | "string" |
| 02:56.09 | Iriel | I think whenI was in my pre-teens I said string |
| 02:56.19 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:56.20 | Iriel | But in the time since it became dollar |
| 02:56.34 | Shirik | Iriel just called me a pre-teen |
| 02:56.39 | karl_w_w | does haste increase ur hearth speed? |
| 02:56.44 | Iriel | It was "dollar" before I got to the US tho, so it wasn't that which changed me |
| 02:56.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:00.47 | Iriel | On the topic of pronounciation |
| 03:01.08 | Iriel | Moving to the US and working at a US company changed my pronounciation of /etc from "et-cetera" to "etsy" |
| 03:06.22 | Cide | people seriously say etsy? |
| 03:07.15 | Iriel | Yes, for the past approximately 18 years I do for the unix directory, but not for the abbreviation "etc." in english |
| 03:07.43 | Cide | oh |
| 03:07.49 | Cide | that makes more sense |
| 03:07.49 | Iriel | Good lord statements like that make me feel old |
| 03:08.31 | TC-Work | possibly because you are? |
| 03:08.39 | Iriel | TC: Thanks |
| 03:08.40 | TC-Work | though it is rather subjective |
| 03:09.09 | TC-Work | to my 97 yo grandmother, 80+ yo's are 'young' |
| 03:10.41 | Iriel | Young Whippersnappers, perhaps |
| 03:11.12 | kd3 | well, I got exactly one of the lottery numbers |
| 03:11.25 | kd3 | yay for 23 |
| 03:11.31 | karl_w_w | Shirik you lied :( |
| 03:11.36 | Shirik | ? |
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| 03:12.31 | karl_w_w | hearthstone is 10s no matter what |
| 03:12.35 | Shirik | that is a lie |
| 03:12.49 | karl_w_w | nuh uh |
| 03:13.52 | Iriel | Obviously Shirik cannto be wrong, you must have found a bug |
| 03:14.00 | Shirik | ^ |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:14.50 | Shirik | well that's stupid |
| 03:14.54 | Shirik | I swear it did |
| 03:15.19 | Shirik | oh I think I am confusing it with mass resurrection |
| 03:15.52 | Iriel | Because they're so similar? |
| 03:16.47 | Shirik | because they're both spells I can see myself competing with someone over cast time |
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| 03:18.58 | Iriel | Fair enough |
| 03:19.42 | bleeter | hmmmm http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3OTY |
| 03:20.18 | bleeter | not totally convinced, but quite interesting. Gabe Newell after Linux gfx coders for performace issue fixing? |
| 03:21.37 | Iriel | Why's it so odd they might be looking for some expert help? They might just be looking for a contractor |
| 03:22.05 | bleeter | there's been rumours since forever, so just still skeptical |
| 03:22.15 | Jamash | the question is not whether its odd but whether it means AMG SOURCE ENGINE FOR LINUX |
| 03:22.22 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 03:22.28 | kd3 | huh, this is new: https://www.google.com/search?q=sqrt(x*x%2By*y)%2B3*cos(sqrt(x*x%2By*y))%2B5 |
| 03:22.44 | Jamash | ooh sweet |
| 03:23.34 | bleeter | wowzers |
| 03:23.36 | TC-Work | "Hmm. While your browser seems to support WebGL, it is disabled or unavailable." err....what? |
| 03:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | what browser are you using? |
| 03:24.00 | TC-Work | chrome |
| 03:24.12 | TC-Work | oh.. |
| 03:24.13 | Mr_Rabies | which version? |
| 03:24.15 | TC-Work | fs, not win xp |
| 03:24.23 | TC-Work | ffs* no* |
| 03:24.30 | TC-Work | no, not was correct |
| 03:24.33 | TC-Work | i need to sleep |
| 03:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh god you're still on xp? i'm so sorry :( |
| 03:24.49 | TC-Work | work machine |
| 03:26.05 | Iriel | I was annoyed that my work machine's stuck on an older OS version, but in my case it's Snow Leopard |
| 03:26.17 | kd3 | work's still on xp |
| 03:26.22 | TC-Work | it doesnt really bother me, it does what i need to for work |
| 03:26.26 | kd3 | hell, we finally got upgraded from ie6 to ie8 last summer |
| 03:26.49 | Iriel | Sadly our windows team is at about that spot as well |
| 03:26.55 | Jamash | is xp old enough to vote yet? |
| 03:27.06 | Jamash | </sarcasm> |
| 03:27.07 | kd3 | not that half of the intranet (like HR's systems) is still kinda flaky in fx... |
| 03:27.28 | TC-Work | we will hit 7 some time this summer. We had to wait till our image syseng got back from maternity leave. |
| 03:27.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'd harass them about windows xp mode pretty much constantly |
| 03:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | that's what it was designed for |
| 03:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | all your awful custom built apps that won't work in 7 can run natively in virtual windows xp |
| 03:29.06 | kd3 | hell, target's just cheap |
| 03:29.25 | bleeter | fisker's cheap |
| 03:29.38 | kd3 | starbucks wants $100k so we can hook in to the gold card system. target said no, told us to ask, 'have a gold card?' so we can ring up their free flavor |
| 03:29.40 | Shirik | kd3: I still use VS 2005 occasionally |
| 03:29.52 | Shirik | which isn't quite as bad as the time one of our vendors told us they used VC++ 6 to compile something |
| 03:30.03 | Jamash | you could install virtualbox on windows 7 and run linux in virtualbox on windows 7 and install wine in linux in virtualbox on windows 7 and run your xp apps in wine in linux in virtualbox in windows 7 |
| 03:30.36 | Iriel | kd3: That explains why some hotel starbucks treat gold cards so wierdly |
| 03:30.46 | pompy | my brain just exploded Jamash |
| 03:30.54 | Jamash | someone should port wine to windows |
| 03:31.02 | Mr_Rabies | OSception |
| 03:31.06 | kd3 | wine's been ported to windows, or at least most of the tests have |
| 03:31.14 | kd3 | that's how automated regression testing works |
| 03:31.24 | Jamash | I mean as an emulation layer to run old windows apps on newer windowses |
| 03:31.28 | Jamash | like dosbox |
| 03:31.34 | pompy | Jamash: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows |
| 03:31.49 | Jamash | hooray! |
| 03:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | windows xp mode works pretty damned well Jamash |
| 03:32.05 | Jamash | yeah but that requires running windows xp |
| 03:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | i have spiderman cartoon marker running in windows 7 |
| 03:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | :D |
| 03:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | maker |
| 03:32.18 | Mr_Rabies | no, it doesn't, not really |
| 03:32.24 | Mr_Rabies | you can make xp applications launch natively in 7 |
| 03:32.37 | Shirik | I just wish someone would make valgrind work (well) in Windows |
| 03:34.30 | kd3 | hahaha; http://i.imgur.com/1UTK8.gif |
| 03:35.36 | Shirik | wtf is that real? |
| 03:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/aPewU.jpg |
| 03:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's xp mode running in native mdoe |
| 03:35.47 | Mr_Rabies | mode* |
| 03:35.47 | Mr_Rabies | :o |
| 03:36.39 | kd3 | I'm going to assume fake |
| 03:36.53 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/rljx7/obama_gif_war_occurring_right_now_in_rgifs/c46vnad |
| 03:40.32 | kd3 | also, holy shit: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3553609411#1 |
| 03:41.21 | kd3 | I'm floored that the servers haven't melted |
| 03:41.26 | kd3 | but I guess the stress-test works too |
| 03:41.42 | bleeter | either that, or everyone's out getting plastered |
| 03:41.54 | pompy | if the 100k handout is over, i didnt get mine >< |
| 03:42.04 | Jamash | I figure that all the downtime the past few days allowed them to fix things |
| 03:42.04 | TC-Work | the next 100K handout is going |
| 03:42.19 | Iriel | Well, folks with slower connections will still be downloading |
| 03:43.29 | kd3 | and wow... what I would have given to be here: http://i.imgur.com/FYzj7.jpg |
| 03:43.43 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/5897678/chinas-urine+boiled-eggs-are-a-cultural-delicacy |
| 03:43.56 | Jamash | batmobile parade O_o |
| 03:44.07 | TC-Work | looks like LA |
| 03:44.31 | TC-Work | warner, and clear channel on the cornder of olive ave |
| 03:44.36 | Jamash | I can't see gawker sites |
| 03:44.48 | Iriel | Burbank |
| 03:44.55 | Jamash | do you have a link to a site that isn't blank when I turn javascript off? |
| 03:45.02 | TC-Work | that makes sense then |
| 03:45.12 | TC-Work | Jamash: http://www.geekosystem.com/virgin-boy-eggs-soaked-urine/ |
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| 03:46.34 | Jamash | I can't really make fun of china for terrible food when I live in the country that gave the world the Double Down |
| 03:47.06 | TC-Work | i had to look that up |
| 03:47.12 | Jamash | I'm sorry |
| 03:47.16 | TC-Work | never heard of that before |
| 03:47.27 | Jamash | I mean, I'm sorry that now you know what it is |
| 03:47.31 | kd3 | you didn't? kfc did it... what, a year ago? two? |
| 03:47.32 | TC-Work | but it has no bread, no carbs! |
| 03:47.44 | Jamash | dies of cholesterol poisoning. |
| 03:47.47 | TC-Work | i dont watch comercials and i dont eat at kfc |
| 03:47.58 | Jamash | I'm a vegetarian and I know what it is |
| 03:47.59 | TC-Work | commercials* |
| 03:48.05 | TC-Work | *shrug* |
| 03:48.41 | Jamash | although I have been known to consume 1500 calorie milkshakes |
| 03:48.41 | Iriel | Jamash: you know about it so you can feel superior in your disdain |
| 03:48.59 | Jamash | Iriel: not really, given what I just said |
| 03:49.02 | TC-Work | 460 calories but 1430mg of sodium |
| 03:49.39 | Jamash | if you want to be educated about fast food, go to dairy queen and read the calorie counts on the nutrition facts poster |
| 03:49.55 | Jamash | it will either make you substantially more jaded or less hungry |
| 03:51.54 | TC-Work | nothing there hit 1500 |
| 03:52.02 | TC-Work | (in shakes) |
| 03:52.19 | Iriel | Apparently you dont want to read the calorie counts in Jamba Juice either |
| 03:53.12 | TC-Work | White Castle Chocolate Shake - Large (Louisville region) |
| 03:53.12 | TC-Work | Calories: 1680 |
| 03:53.18 | TC-Work | that seems to be one of the most |
| 03:54.00 | Jamash | maybe I was thinking of burger king |
| 03:54.09 | TC-Work | Arby's Pecan Sticky Bun (4 Pack) |
| 03:54.09 | TC-Work | Calories: 2751 |
| 03:54.25 | Jamash | that's 4 though |
| 03:54.42 | TC-Work | true, though i wonder how large they are |
| 03:55.27 | pompy | TC-Work: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_yvNO72dNE2Y/SllAG4AnvfI/AAAAAAAABhE/w08i5HqiG-E/0623a%20Pecan%20Sticky%20Bun%20at%20Arby%27s%20York%20NE%5B2%5D.jpg |
| 03:55.31 | TC-Work | Baskin Robbin’s Large Oreo Chocolate Shake |
| 03:55.31 | TC-Work | Calories: 2600 |
| 03:55.39 | Jamash | ffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 03:55.40 | LonnyHawk | vegetarians are either fat, lazy or crazy because it's not reasonable for a predator to be so |
| 03:55.57 | Jamash | humans are omnivores brah |
| 03:56.00 | Jamash | cats are predators |
| 03:56.04 | TC-Work | pompy: err..still cant tell, is that plam, hand, what? |
| 03:56.26 | Jamash | plam? |
| 03:56.27 | TC-Work | i mean the nuts give some aprox of size, but still |
| 03:56.28 | LonnyHawk | still a predator haha |
| 03:56.37 | pompy | http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/arbys/pecan-sticky-bun |
| 03:57.04 | TC-Work | ~700 cal for smoething the size of your palm is :( |
| 03:57.04 | purl | TC-Work: that's too long |
| 03:57.05 | Jamash | anyway it was a mint oreo shake |
| 03:57.15 | TC-Work | thats whats she said! |
| 03:57.25 | TC-Work | ~botsnack |
| 03:57.25 | purl | TC-Work: thanks |
| 03:58.27 | Jamash | ~tcsnack |
| 03:58.45 | TC-Work | Jamash: Thanks |
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| 04:33.55 | TC-Work | pickle.dump(my, pickle) i am amused |
| 04:34.02 | TC-Work | i need to put that in somewhere..... |
| 04:52.53 | airtonix | LonnyHawk: hey bro |
| 04:52.55 | airtonix | umad? |
| 04:53.19 | airtonix | i'm going to use your logic now |
| 04:53.40 | airtonix | drinking milk from a creature with four stomachs is retarded |
| 04:54.34 | LonnyHawk | I agree it is |
| 04:54.36 | LonnyHawk | lol |
| 04:56.42 | airtonix | oh so you don't drink cows milk then |
| 04:56.50 | LonnyHawk | nah |
| 04:57.35 | LonnyHawk | I drink chocolate milk instead |
| 04:57.39 | LonnyHawk | lol |
| 04:59.28 | LonnyHawk | goats milk only |
| 05:05.28 | LonnyHawk | I guess I don't understand why would someone do it to himself and become vegetarian, unless, he's allergic to meat |
| 05:11.11 | LonnyHawk | The next leap is becoming a monk, that's the future. |
| 05:12.44 | LonnyHawk | They eat anything ? I'm not quite sure.. |
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| 06:17.41 | Fisker | why kd3 |
| 06:17.50 | Fisker | why didn't Blizzard tell people to fuck off ? |
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| 06:21.48 | Trela | Oh, just got a MOP invite. |
| 06:22.20 | Fisker | i hate you Trela |
| 06:22.30 | Trela | Love you too, Fisker. :3~ |
| 06:22.31 | cogwheel | Fisker: u jelly |
| 06:22.35 | Fisker | nope cogwheel |
| 06:22.43 | cogwheel | pompy: u jelly? |
| 06:22.56 | Fisker | imad that Blizzard invited 200k AP subscribers to fuck up the servers because a bunch of whining retards can't english |
| 06:24.04 | Fisker | umad cogwheel ? |
| 06:24.47 | cogwheel | ya. you furiners are tellin us 'mericans how ta use are own damn language |
| 06:25.33 | cogwheel | (which is actually kind of funny in a sad way when you think about it) |
| 06:25.51 | Fisker | i troll every thread that is about annual pass and beta "promises" cogwheel |
| 06:25.52 | Fisker | EVERY |
| 06:26.41 | Fisker | also i slept 2 hours cogwheel |
| 06:26.42 | Fisker | ujelly? |
| 06:26.52 | Fisker | or just well rested? |
| 06:27.34 | cogwheel | i had about 450mg of caffeine over the last 24 hours. What's this sleep you speak of? |
| 06:30.15 | Fisker | whats caffeine? |
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| 06:32.29 | Fisker | god damnit cogwheel |
| 06:32.37 | Fisker | and now they're inviting another 100k |
| 06:34.35 | TMc51_ | Lucky you, Cog. I haven't had caffeine since 2011. It's still hard to deal without a few energy drinks a day. =\ |
| 06:36.55 | Shirik | hasn't had caffeine since um |
| 06:37.10 | Shirik | 2009? |
| 06:37.39 | Shirik | whenever peppy gave it up |
| 06:38.02 | nevcairiel | you dont drink coke? |
| 06:38.08 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:38.10 | Shirik | sprite, sure |
| 06:38.14 | Shirik | no caffeine in sprite |
| 06:38.35 | nevcairiel | its not like i drink the coke for the caffeine, but i just dont like sprite =p |
| 06:39.02 | Shirik | lately I've just been drinking water |
| 06:39.09 | Shirik | I'm surprised at how much money you can save with a brita filter |
| 06:39.18 | nevcairiel | drinking energy drinks just to get through the day is something else entirely, you need to get yourself checked out =p |
| 06:39.54 | nevcairiel | funny thing is, our tap water here is clean enough without extra filtering |
| 06:40.01 | Shirik | well I could drink tap water |
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| 06:40.11 | Shirik | just I think it tastes better filtered |
| 06:42.17 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/03/this-guy-knows-what-im-talking-about-dru.php |
| 06:42.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:45.28 | AcidWeb | Morning |
| 06:49.56 | Shirik | kd3, wtf |
| 06:50.03 | Shirik | and by kd3 I meant mikma |
| 06:50.32 | Fisker | Shirik wtf |
| 06:50.36 | Fisker | and by Shirik i mean Shirik |
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| 06:50.47 | mikma | shirik: so.. i'm gonna be a dangerous man in 3 months |
| 06:51.07 | Iriel | mikma: is that the incubation period for some disease you've picked up? |
| 06:51.22 | mikma | iriel: neither, don't confuse me to fisker please |
| 06:51.45 | Iriel | Sorry, that'd be a fate worse than death |
| 06:52.03 | mikma | exactly! |
| 06:54.27 | mikma | I got accepted to the .. "explosive charger" course |
| 06:54.40 | mikma | lasts for 2 months and after that i can explode pretty much anything in anywhere |
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| 06:57.35 | Fisker | so Shirik |
| 06:57.40 | Fisker | won $640 million? |
| 06:57.49 | Shirik | maybe |
| 07:00.16 | mikma | shirik: how about giving your old friend mikma some bucks, mr. millionaire |
| 07:00.59 | mikma | shirik: http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-zoidberg/page-6.html -> second from the top |
| 07:01.17 | LonnyHawk | Does Lua optimize local variables inside loops or I need to declare it outside ? |
| 07:01.44 | Shirik | a local variable doesn't actually exist |
| 07:01.58 | Shirik | so your question is mostly meaningless |
| 07:02.15 | LonnyHawk | I understand |
| 07:02.18 | Shirik | local variables are actually just a way to access a particular index on the stack |
| 07:02.30 | LonnyHawk | Yeah I understand ;) |
| 07:02.34 | LonnyHawk | Thank you |
| 07:02.59 | Jamash | I assume the question is "is there a bunch of memory thrashing going on if I redeclare the same local variable each time through the loop" |
| 07:03.01 | LonnyHawk | So anything is pretty much a table ? I'm guessing |
| 07:03.12 | Jamash | no only tables are tables |
| 07:03.28 | Jamash | strings, numbers, userdata are not tables |
| 07:03.46 | Shirik | everything can be treated as if it were a table, though |
| 07:03.52 | Jamash | how I index 3? |
| 07:04.04 | airtonix | Shirik: your face is a table |
| 07:04.20 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__index = {1,2,3}}); b = 3; return b[1]; |
| 07:04.21 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 07:04.33 | Shirik | not sure if this can be compiled, but... |
| 07:04.38 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__index = {1,2,3}}); b = 3; return (3)[1]; |
| 07:04.38 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 07:04.40 | Jamash | oh sure if you use the debug library |
| 07:04.49 | Jamash | cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeating |
| 07:04.54 | airtonix | mad? |
| 07:05.02 | Jamash | only slightly crazed |
| 07:05.13 | airtonix | oh does that mean you are using vi then ? |
| 07:05.25 | LonnyHawk | Is there such a thing a string, number ? or it's merely a representation ? |
| 07:05.27 | Jamash | no, no, no, if I was using vi *then* I'd be mad |
| 07:05.53 | Jamash | I uninstalled vim from my server but I had to put it back because other people use it :( |
| 07:08.04 | Shirik | I made it so emacs cannot be installed |
| 07:08.13 | Jamash | hi5 o/ |
| 07:08.35 | Iriel | Shirik: there's a corner of hell for people like you |
| 07:09.14 | Jamash | having to use vi is like being in hell |
| 07:09.17 | Shirik | The following mask changes are necessary to proceed: |
| 07:09.17 | Shirik | #required by virtual/emacs-23, required by app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2 |
| 07:09.17 | Shirik | >=app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2 |
| 07:09.39 | Jamash | having to use emacs is the same as having to use vi, except without the word "like" |
| 07:10.38 | Jamash | I think that both editors should be wiped from the face of the earth |
| 07:12.01 | airtonix | your face should be wiped |
| 07:12.01 | Iriel | What would you use instead? cat > filename? |
| 07:12.13 | airtonix | oh no i'd use sensible editors like nano |
| 07:12.26 | airtonix | where, i type... and stuff appears |
| 07:12.28 | Jamash | nano > vi|emacs |
| 07:12.35 | Iriel | If you type in emacs, stuff appears |
| 07:13.07 | airtonix | how do you copy and paste in emacs? |
| 07:13.24 | Iriel | C-w and C-y |
| 07:13.37 | airtonix | as in the control key plus double-you |
| 07:13.43 | Jamash | I hear if you type rms's full name into emacs three times, he appears and lectures you about your use of proprietary drivers and firmware |
| 07:13.44 | Shirik | seriously, ever since having learned vim the right way, I get so much more done |
| 07:13.46 | Iriel | Sorry, M-w and C-y |
| 07:13.59 | Shirik | Never realized how much redundant stuff you do while editing, that most editors just limit your speed on |
| 07:14.02 | airtonix | as in Meta key ? |
| 07:14.10 | Iriel | Yeah, or Esc |
| 07:14.18 | Jamash | I think you just proved our point, iriel |
| 07:14.19 | airtonix | escape + W to copy ? |
| 07:14.34 | Iriel | Yes |
| 07:14.46 | AcidWeb | I use vim even on windows... ;p |
| 07:14.46 | Shirik | vim: copy = y, paste = p |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | I use vim inside of visual studio |
| 07:14.58 | airtonix | i think i'd rather use sublimetext2 via xforwarded ssh session |
| 07:14.59 | Iriel | I bet I can outperform almost any of you at plain text editing without use of a mouse |
| 07:15.03 | Jamash | shirik: I hate you so much |
| 07:15.06 | Shirik | which is very amusing when someone else tries to type into my editor |
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| 07:15.32 | Shirik | I take that challenge Iriel |
| 07:15.46 | Iriel | Shirik: next blizzcon we'll have to have a contest |
| 07:16.08 | Jamash | I bet I didn't have to spend 20 years to get my .emacs file set up just right |
| 07:16.10 | airtonix | can you use a mouse in vi or emacs? |
| 07:16.12 | Shirik | how do you insert something to the beginning of 20 lines in emacs? |
| 07:16.26 | Iriel | airtonix: yes |
| 07:16.27 | Shirik | airtonix: in vim, you CAN, but it's probably a sign you're doing something wrong |
| 07:16.39 | airtonix | Shirik: you sound like rms |
| 07:16.42 | Shirik | the mouse only slows you down |
| 07:16.51 | Jamash | in smalltalk you can get by without a keyboard |
| 07:16.52 | airtonix | if you say so |
| 07:17.01 | Iriel | Shirik: there are a few ways, usually I'd narrow to region and do a global regexp replace |
| 07:17.12 | Iriel | I almost never use a mouse while editing stuff |
| 07:17.25 | Shirik | enter visual block mode, select lines, I, type text, ESC |
| 07:17.25 | Iriel | thankfully the authors of Eclipse had actually used emacs and got most of the bindings right |
| 07:17.27 | Shirik | done |
| 07:17.36 | TC-Away | s/almost// |
| 07:17.45 | Jamash | oh is that why eclipse is such a bad editor |
| 07:17.54 | Iriel | I doubt it, emacs isn't the default |
| 07:17.59 | Jamash | I knew there must be some reason |
| 07:18.24 | Shirik | and agreed, I almost never use a mouse |
| 07:18.25 | Torhal | http://www.gizmowatch.com/researchers-stumble-worlds-flexible-efficient-oled-plastic.html |
| 07:18.26 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 07:18.35 | airtonix | old |
| 07:18.35 | Shirik | there's one exception: When I can use the dot command on wildly changing locations |
| 07:18.40 | Shirik | click . click . click . |
| 07:18.49 | Torhal | fuses airtonix with a dormous. |
| 07:18.53 | airtonix | what does that even mean Shirik |
| 07:19.19 | Shirik | . performs your last action |
| 07:19.29 | airtonix | i mean your attempts and a visual demonstration of your emacs prowess are disturbingly irrelevant |
| 07:19.30 | Shirik | so if I do a complex action, and I need to do it in a bunch of different places |
| 07:19.35 | Shirik | I can click then hit . |
| 07:19.38 | Shirik | several times |
| 07:19.40 | Shirik | and get them all done |
| 07:19.44 | Shirik | also, I know nothing of emacs |
| 07:19.45 | Iriel | There's actually little point in editor religion wars -- as long as the editor in question is fully featured and you've taken the time to master it, it's a good choice. |
| 07:19.45 | Jamash | OH MY GOD http://www.gizmowatch.com/motorized-lego-tachikoma-roll-walk-wave-hands.html |
| 07:19.46 | Shirik | it is evil |
| 07:19.53 | Iriel | If it forces you to use the mouse all the time, it's not a good editor |
| 07:20.00 | Shirik | ^ |
| 07:20.04 | Iriel | it you WANT to use the mouse all the time, it's not a good editor, or you didn't master it |
| 07:20.22 | Iriel | If you find yourself performing actions without any recollection of exactly what you did, then you've probably mastered it |
| 07:20.34 | airtonix | wat |
| 07:20.40 | Shirik | I actually don't know how emacs works so I don't know if it's similar, but in vim, motions are so much more powerful than the mouse |
| 07:20.49 | airtonix | motions? |
| 07:20.51 | Shirik | theoretically the mouse can get you to more places, but only by slowing you down |
| 07:21.02 | Iriel | Shirik: Based on the kinds of things you're describing, I suspect there are very similar ideas behind them |
| 07:21.19 | Iriel | tell the editor where you want to be, and it takes you there (often logical destinations) |
| 07:21.32 | Shirik | at its root level, a motion is a way to move the cursor, but it's more than that |
| 07:21.34 | Iriel | Rather than hunting through a screen with a pointer |
| 07:21.39 | Shirik | for example, w will take you to the next word |
| 07:21.50 | airtonix | i woul rather w simply type the letter w |
| 07:21.59 | Shirik | when combined with actions, you get powerful capabilities |
| 07:22.04 | Shirik | dw will delete up to the next word |
| 07:22.08 | Shirik | d$ will delete the rest of the line |
| 07:22.16 | Jamash | I don't want an editor that requires me to be circumcised in order to use it. |
| 07:22.31 | Jamash | Which emacs and vim both do (metaphorically speaking). |
| 07:22.39 | airtonix | bowl cut |
| 07:22.43 | Shirik | w will type the letter w when you're in insert mode |
| 07:22.51 | airtonix | why do i have to be in a mode? |
| 07:22.58 | Jamash | pie a la mode? |
| 07:22.59 | airtonix | thats what the ctrl key is for |
| 07:23.25 | Iriel | airtonix: that's the emacs way |
| 07:23.25 | Shirik | http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html |
| 07:23.47 | Shirik | misconception 1: it's not modal editing |
| 07:23.56 | airtonix | i don't care what it's called |
| 07:23.59 | airtonix | it's annoying |
| 07:24.07 | Iriel | I think it's just different. |
| 07:24.14 | airtonix | enough to be annoying |
| 07:24.35 | Shirik | " Using vi/vim properly, you don't use it modally. You are always in normal mode, and only enter insert mode for short bursts of typing text, after which you press <Esc> to go to normal mode. Thus, the remembering-the-mode problem just doesn't exist: you don't answer the phone in insert mode to get back to vi and not remember where you were. If you are typing text and the phone rings, you |
| 07:24.35 | Shirik | exit insert mode and then answer the phone. Or you press <Esc> when you come back. But you never think about insert mode as a mode where you stay." |
| 07:24.39 | airtonix | sublimetext2 might have alot of similarities to vi and emacs but it does it in a way that doesn't make me rage |
| 07:24.50 | Iriel | I respect VI, I just prefer emacs, because nobody I knew had heard of vim when I learned emacs |
| 07:24.56 | Iriel | so I learned emacs instead |
| 07:26.04 | Shirik | honestly, I picked up vim instead of emacs because that's what the default editor on my server was |
| 07:26.17 | airtonix | you are lying |
| 07:29.24 | Iriel | Anyway, time for sleep… C-x C-c |
| 07:29.47 | Shirik | :q! |
| 07:29.54 | Iriel | More like :q |
| 07:29.58 | Iriel | since it asks if you want to save |
| 07:30.17 | Shirik | ok :P |
| 07:31.54 | Arrowmaster | ive been wondering if i could remap capslock to ctrl in my shell but esc in vim |
| 07:32.26 | Shirik | I think the way to do it would be to tell vim that ctrl is mapped to esc |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | I guess that would block you from using ctrl |
| 07:32.49 | Shirik | which honestly I only use for one purpose |
| 07:32.50 | Shirik | but still |
| 07:35.17 | Fisker | just farted Shirik |
| 07:35.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:39.42 | TC-Away | i just unfarted |
| 07:40.43 | Dagmar | Now I know what to do with these Justice Points |
| 07:40.51 | Dagmar | I can dress like a T6 raiding shaman |
| 07:40.56 | Dagmar | Heheheheh |
| 07:44.36 | Fisker | you wouldn't TC-Work |
| 07:44.39 | Fisker | or Thunder_Child |
| 07:46.50 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker |
| 07:46.50 | purl | Fisker: FAIL! |
| 07:46.58 | Fisker | umad Thunder_Child ? |
| 07:47.24 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 07:47.28 | Thunder_Child | ufail |
| 07:47.29 | Fisker | supermad Thunder_Child |
| 07:49.16 | Fisker | a word Thunder_Child |
| 07:51.55 | airtonix | Shirik: umad? |
| 07:51.57 | airtonix | sqrt(x*x+y*y)+3*cos(sqrt(x*x+y*y))+5 |
| 07:52.35 | airtonix | https://www.google.com/search?q=sqrt(x*x%2By*y)%2B3*cos(sqrt(x*x%2By*y))%2B5 |
| 07:54.02 | nevcairiel | how original of you, you picked the most common demo chart |
| 07:55.04 | Fisker | umad? |
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| 08:05.03 | mikma | shirik: http://www.skale.org/?tracker=1 |
| 08:08.42 | airtonix | Fisker: HOHO |
| 08:09.28 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/2g3Rj.gif |
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| 08:35.47 | karl_w_w | jnwhiteh: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#comments |
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| 09:14.51 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 09:15.35 | karl_w_w | hey baby |
| 09:29.37 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 09:52.41 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/that_moment.jpg |
| 09:52.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:53.26 | mikma | i used to tease my co-worker with those facts when we were leaving work at fridays |
| 09:53.33 | mikma | he was always like "oh fuck off" |
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| 10:06.20 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 10:06.36 | Cairenn | hi Fisker |
| 10:07.01 | karl_w_w | i dont hear a crackle when i swallow |
| 10:07.09 | karl_w_w | does that mean im from another planet? |
| 10:11.07 | mikma | it just means you are numb from the neck up |
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| 10:31.20 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 10:37.03 | karl_w_w | "WARNING! WARNING! - Skip this video if you don't want to see what happens to Theramore!" |
| 10:37.22 | karl_w_w | the preview image shown unavoidable pretty much gives it all away |
| 10:37.32 | karl_w_w | s/able/ably/ |
| 10:38.08 | Fisker | not really karl_w_w |
| 10:38.46 | karl_w_w | really Fisker |
| 10:39.25 | Fisker | we already know that theramore gets destroyed |
| 10:39.29 | Fisker | so no, not really |
| 10:39.37 | karl_w_w | yes really |
| 10:39.44 | Fisker | nope.mp4 |
| 10:39.48 | karl_w_w | most people don't know what it looks like post-destructo |
| 10:40.18 | Fisker | doesn't matter, had sex |
| 10:41.20 | karl_w_w | such a kidder |
| 10:41.31 | Fisker | umad? |
| 10:43.45 | Adys | Reddit: "If God wanted us to use the Metric System there would have been ten disciples." |
| 10:44.57 | karl_w_w | my mind turned into mush just reading that |
| 10:46.01 | Maldivia | well, God gave ten commandments... so that kind of trumphs the number of disciples... :P |
| 10:46.09 | Jamash | If god had wanted christians to think he would have given them brains |
| 10:47.26 | Adys | http://insidesearch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/graphing-on-googlecom-now-in-3d.html |
| 10:48.13 | Jamash | [23:22:11] <kd3> huh, this is new: https://www.google.com/search?q=sqrt(x*x%2By*y)%2B3*cos(sqrt(x*x%2By*y))%2B5 |
| 10:48.28 | Adys | I just work up so |
| 10:48.41 | karl_w_w | if god wanted us to believe in him, we would. |
| 10:49.11 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful |
| 10:49.12 | Adys | awesome. |
| 10:50.09 | karl_w_w | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-sPdDFPmais/Sb6SjURpPRI/AAAAAAAAAeY/4nlzzMZ8YfM/s400/Data2364.jpg ? |
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| 10:52.59 | Corrodias2 | aww, it won't run webgl shit on my ancientass drivers |
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| 11:25.00 | Fisker | what should i do Stanzilla ? |
| 11:26.06 | Fisker | i'm so bored Maldivia |
| 11:28.11 | Maldivia | go play with with yourself... or someone else? |
| 11:30.23 | airtonix | i will kill you Fisker |
| 11:31.41 | airtonix | that can't be rust |
| 11:31.42 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/mXKrb.jpg |
| 11:33.13 | airtonix | these guys need to learn about synergy |
| 11:33.14 | airtonix | http://www.caiso.com/about/ISO%20Photo%20Library/ControlCenterFolsom1_resized.jpg |
| 11:34.47 | Adys | Maldivia: this'll make you laugh |
| 11:34.48 | Adys | Before anyone starts ripping on the United States, I just want to note that we've installed more wind capacity last year alone than Denmark plans to install by 2020 - several times over. |
| 11:38.24 | Maldivia | heh |
| 11:38.55 | Fisker | stupid people are stupid Adys ? |
| 11:39.01 | Adys | something like that |
| 11:39.36 | Fisker | wouldn't be surprised if the US spends more money on military spending than Denmark does |
| 11:39.40 | Maldivia | US also has double the energy comsumption per capita than Denmark... not to mention 56 times the population |
| 11:40.23 | Adys | japan's awesome. just had a product delivered from there in one of those "hardplastic wrappers from hell"; except it has a cap that can open it. |
| 11:40.55 | Fisker | i need memory Maldivia |
| 11:42.46 | Maldivia | then memorize something :P |
| 11:43.06 | Maldivia | Adys: but who gave that statement? |
| 11:43.23 | Adys | braindamaged Ars commenter |
| 11:44.00 | Maldivia | ahh, to that ars article last night about windmill plans for 2020 in Denmark? |
| 11:44.06 | airtonix | what's a cap? |
| 11:44.13 | Corrodias2 | what's funny about wind power? |
| 11:44.13 | Adys | Maldivia: ya |
| 11:44.19 | Adys | airtonix: like a plastic cap |
| 11:44.22 | airtonix | Corrodias2: your mum |
| 11:44.36 | airtonix | Adys: i wasn't aware that caps could be used to open other things |
| 11:45.24 | airtonix | i am familiar with the concept of un screwing a cap to open the object it keeps contained |
| 11:45.36 | Adys | what? |
| 11:45.38 | airtonix | a cap |
| 11:45.42 | Adys | the wrapping had a cap |
| 11:45.46 | airtonix | as in the bottle cap |
| 11:45.54 | Adys | a cap is a piece of plastic you can remove in order to open the object |
| 11:46.01 | airtonix | or as in i took my baseball cap of my head |
| 11:46.14 | airtonix | i've never used a cap to open a box |
| 11:46.47 | airtonix | oh so the bag you recieved has a cap that you release to make the bag fall apart |
| 11:47.04 | airtonix | i wonder if fisker has one of those |
| 11:59.39 | karl_w_w | I'm currently capped on honor points |
| 11:59.46 | karl_w_w | does that mean I can be opened? |
| 12:04.23 | karl_w_w | [20:04:18] [2][Sixthly]: LF2M Heroic Sinestra |
| 12:04.30 | karl_w_w | I really hate redudancy |
| 12:07.29 | nevcairiel | you know there are morons out there that would ask "normal or heroic?", so this is less effort =P |
| 12:07.52 | Yoshimo | with all these github forks and subrepositories of wowuisource, where can i get the most complete with the best history? ;) |
| 12:09.55 | karl_w_w | all the master records are kept on microfiche in cogwheel's basement, Yoshimo |
| 12:10.26 | Maldivia | Adys: damn there is a log of ignorance in those comments |
| 12:10.30 | Maldivia | lot* |
| 12:10.51 | Adys | Maldivia: tell me about it... |
| 12:13.03 | Maldivia | Adys: alot of windmill fighting going on :P |
| 12:14.13 | Adys | Maldivia: maybe someone will adopt a horse and call it Rocinante |
| 12:15.46 | Maldivia | perhaps :P |
| 12:17.15 | airtonix | karl_w_w: normal or heroic? |
| 12:18.58 | karl_w_w | how do you fight a windmill? |
| 12:21.10 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: go read Don Quixote :) |
| 12:21.46 | karl_w_w | is that pronounced quick sote? |
| 12:22.35 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.46 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.49 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 12:35.29 | dusf_ | can anyone tell me the command to display the item id (including suffix) for a mainhand or offhand weapon, or alternatively is there an addon that will do it? |
| 12:40.42 | Fisker | need to get some sleep soon Maldivia |
| 12:41.30 | dusf_ | Fisker: do you know of any addon or command that can do what i'm after? |
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| 13:33.16 | olafski | nevcairiel: if someone asks that, seems like a fine filter to know you won't need that person ;) |
| 13:53.53 | starlon | Crap, they're cracking down on internet trolls. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/30/arizona-law-would-criminalize-being-annoying-on-the-internet/ |
| 13:54.16 | starlon | Fisker, you're so doomed. |
| 13:58.49 | karl_w_w | we all are, who hasnt been lewd on the internet? |
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| 14:00.10 | starlon | but who can we target specifically? I still say we demonize Fisker. *nodnod* |
| 14:00.16 | Fisker | hey starlon |
| 14:00.17 | Fisker | why? |
| 14:00.23 | starlon | nope.avi |
| 14:01.34 | karl_w_w | Fisker you outlaw |
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| 14:04.57 | karl_w_w | why did i just hear a guy say "very well, let the game begin"? |
| 14:06.47 | karl_w_w | from the start of chess event |
| 14:09.12 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 14:11.41 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/Y2Dok.jpg |
| 14:12.36 | karl_w_w | old airtonix |
| 14:12.46 | karl_w_w | 2 years so |
| 14:12.49 | airtonix | you kinda mad? |
| 14:13.18 | karl_w_w | little bit |
| 14:13.29 | karl_w_w | you a little jelly? |
| 14:16.59 | Maldivia | ... Bittersweet strawberry, marshmallow, butterscotch, polar bear, cashew, dixieland, phosphate, chocolate, lime, tuttifritti, special raspberry, leave it to me, three grace, scotch lassie, cherry smash, lemon freeze |
| 14:17.43 | karl_w_w | so, my friend is getting mario music during boss fights, and says she doesnt have an addon for that |
| 14:17.52 | karl_w_w | possible explanations? |
| 14:18.02 | Maldivia | someone is playing it over vent? |
| 14:18.18 | foxlit | mild case of insanity? |
| 14:18.39 | karl_w_w | she says nobody else hears it, so foxlit may be right :P |
| 14:18.51 | Maldivia | youtube running in the background? |
| 14:18.53 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.59 | Adys | Don't you love pulling "once in a while" |
| 14:19.02 | karl_w_w | nah she says the music plays during the fight |
| 14:19.10 | karl_w_w | then after it dies the victory music goes |
| 14:19.15 | foxlit | DBM going into April 1 mode again? |
| 14:19.36 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 14:19.43 | starlon | tilts. |
| 14:20.05 | Adys | who in this channel doesn't use git as their main vcs? |
| 14:20.22 | karl_w_w | me |
| 14:20.29 | Adys | what do you use? |
| 14:20.33 | karl_w_w | nothing :P |
| 14:20.34 | Maldivia | me... since we use SVN at work :P |
| 14:20.47 | Adys | Maldivia: get them to switch to git |
| 14:23.08 | Maldivia | ok, google is acting weird... |
| 14:37.55 | airtonix | Adys: he copies and renames folders |
| 14:37.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
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| 14:49.19 | airtonix | wtf audio only adverts now |
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| 15:04.46 | nevcairiel | Adys: ? |
| 15:05.13 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 15:05.18 | Adys | nevcairiel: Im partitioning my main hard drive (1tb) for a data partition (hoping to get 300-400gb out of it) |
| 15:05.19 | nevcairiel | not so hey Fisker |
| 15:05.21 | Adys | any advice? |
| 15:05.29 | Fisker | :( nevcairiel |
| 15:07.49 | nevcairiel | Adys: don't make a big deal out of it, just reserve enough space for / and then put everything else into your data partition |
| 15:08.14 | Adys | nevcairiel: problem is right now im using 800gb out of the 1tb |
| 15:08.25 | Adys | id like to max out the data partition, as i said hopefully at least 400gb |
| 15:08.47 | karl_w_w | but 400 + 800 > 1000 |
| 15:09.06 | nevcairiel | i'm not really sure what kind of info you're looking for |
| 15:17.41 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nzyvo8SKa0M#t=2065s |
| 15:17.46 | karl_w_w | republicans |
| 15:31.52 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck do i owe $553 tax on only $4500 income |
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| 15:49.09 | haste | http://maps.google.com/maps?t=8 this is awesome |
| 15:49.14 | haste | and it supports street view |
| 15:49.34 | Arrowmaster | https://www.google.com/search?q=sqrt%28x*x%2By*y%29%2B3*cos%28sqrt%28x*x%2By*y%29%29%2B5 ................ |
| 15:50.43 | nevcairiel | haste: the streetview is kinda silly though |
| 15:50.46 | nevcairiel | the map is better |
| 15:51.05 | haste | yeah, but I didn't expect it to do anything with street view :D |
| 15:51.24 | Adys | haste: beat me by 1 minute :/ |
| 15:51.50 | nevcairiel | looking at that, i kinda feel like playing anno 1602 or the settlers |
| 15:53.47 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://browserquest.mozilla.org/ |
| 15:53.53 | Adys | to satisfy your urges |
| 15:54.46 | nevcairiel | thats more for a zelda urge then a colonizing urge |
| 15:55.14 | Adys | well get on steam and we'll play civ4. |
| 15:56.33 | nevcairiel | i somehow missed out on civ4, dunno why, but i never played it. :) |
| 15:56.55 | Adys | i meant civ5 |
| 15:56.57 | Adys | its been a while. |
| 15:57.08 | nevcairiel | s/4/5/ |
| 15:59.22 | Adys | nevcairiel: you know, you could just say you never played civ so i can shoot you |
| 16:00.11 | nevcairiel | that would be too easy |
| 16:00.13 | nevcairiel | but its true! |
| 16:01.11 | nevcairiel | I played alpha centauri though |
| 16:01.15 | nevcairiel | its kind of civ in space |
| 16:02.05 | Adys | its also from the 90s |
| 16:02.13 | nevcairiel | all the good games are |
| 16:02.16 | Adys | i mean it was a great game |
| 16:02.40 | Adys | but civ3/4/5 are a whole lot different |
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| 16:04.18 | Arrowmaster | who comes up with these things! https://www.google.com/search?q=5+%2B+%28-sqrt%281-x^2-%28y-abs%28x%29%29^2%29%29*cos%2830*%28%281-x^2-%28y-abs%28x%29%29^2%29%29%29%2C+x+is+from+-1+to+1%2C+y+is+from+-1+to+1.5%2C+z+is+from+1+to+6 |
| 16:04.49 | nevcairiel | if you know the shapes of the basic math functions, combining several into a more complex shape is trivial |
| 16:05.09 | Adys | Adobe released the official Flash Player 11.2 for Linux release this week, which will serve as the last major version of their Flash/SWF player on Linux. |
| 16:05.19 | Arrowmaster | Adys: 64bit? |
| 16:05.25 | Adys | All |
| 16:05.27 | nevcairiel | so they're canceling linux as well eh? |
| 16:05.37 | nevcairiel | did they announce such plans for windows yet? :d |
| 16:05.42 | Adys | yes, its on life support for the next 5 years but thats all |
| 16:05.48 | Adys | and yeah they kinda did |
| 16:06.01 | Adys | not for the actual player but in general |
| 16:06.37 | Stanzilla | they will only update the chrome flash version iirc |
| 16:06.44 | Adys | google will |
| 16:06.54 | Adys | adobe wont be involved with linux altogether anymore |
| 16:07.05 | nevcairiel | google probably paid good money to be allowed to keep it going themself |
| 16:07.36 | Adys | maybe |
| 16:07.53 | Adys | for adobe it's pretty much a "we'll take care of it you sit back and relax" |
| 16:09.17 | pompy | cogwheel: about? |
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| 16:21.10 | karl_w_w | <nevcairiel> haste: the streetview is kinda silly though <- whereas the rest of it is completely serious |
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| 16:35.53 | dusf_ | can someone please tell me how to get the suffix xxxx which would complete an item-id such something 'of the boar/monkey/etc' 12345:xxxx? |
| 16:38.07 | haste | lua> = ('12345:678'):match('%d+:([^:]+)') |
| 16:38.07 | lua_bot | haste: 678 |
| 16:39.37 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/ItemRandomSuffix is you're looking for a list of them. |
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| 16:47.34 | dusf_ | foxlit: that should do it, thanks |
| 16:52.28 | dusf_ | foxlit: please confirm this, feral buckler of the tiger (http://www.wowhead.com/item=15307) should become item:15307:2802? |
| 16:53.54 | foxlit | The way I read that page is that it should be item:15307:-14: and then another number somewhere |
| 16:56.30 | dusf_ | foxlit: thanks, where are you reading about the other number? |
| 16:56.44 | foxlit | Since WoW 2.0, Blizzard have implemented the ability to add an arbitrarily scaled stats factor to any item. This is done via the itemString containing a negative suffixId and a uniqueId which contains an embedded suffixFactor (see itemString for information on how to extract the suffixFactor which is used below.) |
| 16:59.12 | dusf_ | foxlit: item:itemId:enchantId:jewelId1:jewelId2:jewelId3:jewelId4:suffixId:uniqueId:linkLevel:reforgeId |
| 16:59.25 | dusf_ | perhaps i make all the rest of them 0 apart from the -14 for the suffixId? |
| 17:02.51 | foxlit | could always try. |
| 17:03.27 | foxlit | That might give you +0 to the tiger stats, but then at least you would know whether it matters. |
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| 17:05.23 | Adys | Funny story. I used to play this game back when I was 7 or so, I dont remember any of it. I just remember there was a fish in it. |
| 17:05.55 | Adys | I thought it was Nemo at first, but looked through the nemo games and it wasn't any of that, especially since most of them are more recent than that. Then I googled "old game with a fish" |
| 17:06.02 | Adys | I don't know HOW google found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddi_Fish |
| 17:06.43 | foxlit | is that page linked explicitly for you? |
| 17:07.00 | Adys | its the second result, yes |
| 17:07.05 | foxlit | I get yahoo answers about half way down the page, but nothing specific. |
| 17:07.08 | Adys | right under a yahoo answers link that gives that |
| 17:07.27 | foxlit | they've clearly invented a time machine and are now spying on your childhood :) |
| 17:07.48 | Adys | I'm clearly going to fund the project, I've had this game in the back of my mind for years |
| 17:08.39 | foxlit | " an award-winning[citation needed] series" |
| 17:08.44 | foxlit | that is awesome. |
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| 17:20.10 | olafski | bleh soloing thorim is harder than I had hoped =( |
| 17:21.48 | Adys | olafski: mop or cc? |
| 17:23.53 | foxlit | I imagine he just resets? |
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| 17:39.15 | dusf_ | foxlit: i'm basically trying to equip something in my bag by ways of a macro, but it having the of the tiger to its name is causing problems |
| 17:39.42 | dusf_ | perhaps there's some way to make warcraft output the full itemstring (etc) for an item a character possesses? |
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| 17:41.46 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:42.01 | foxlit | if you have it in your bags, you can surely figure out the full item link. |
| 17:42.14 | Shirik | dusf_, you could just use the item ID for the macro |
| 17:53.34 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps |
| 17:53.45 | cralor | april fools! |
| 17:55.28 | Shirik | it's so epic |
| 17:55.44 | cralor | yeah lol |
| 18:13.31 | Kaylin | april fools ;( bc I have an NES, I would totally use it. |
| 18:13.57 | Kaylin | also, while funny, there was already a modem add-on for NES iirc |
| 18:14.04 | Kaylin | it fits into the bottom of the console deck |
| 18:21.16 | Iriel | Maybe the google one is a DSL modem |
| 18:22.37 | cralor | how much better will 802.11ac be over N |
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| 18:45.28 | Dagmar | Not just NES, but the Famicom |
| 18:47.42 | Dagmar | Holy shit the quest button styles the actual map like the Famicom version |
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| 18:50.53 | Maldivia | damn the 8bit google maps are cool :P |
| 18:51.40 | Maldivia | they need to keep it there! |
| 18:52.52 | Shirik | 3 jackpot winners in last night's drawing |
| 18:53.01 | Shirik | no$640mil4u |
| 18:54.02 | Maldivia | heh |
| 18:54.24 | Maldivia | Dagmar: how long do you think it'll take till someone rips it from google maps, and build it in minecraft? |
| 19:01.10 | Dagmar | It would be easier to use CESDIS topo maps, I think |
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| 19:33.22 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 19:35.24 | haste | Shirik: you should watch nichibros if you haven't, seems to be almost as good as nichijou :D |
| 19:35.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's way better than nichijou |
| 19:35.54 | haste | by ep5 it isn't :( |
| 19:36.14 | Mr_Rabies | nichijou tried to be azumanga and failed miserably, nichibros is amazing |
| 19:36.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's right up there with cromartie and sunred |
| 19:36.48 | haste | I liked nichijou :( |
| 19:37.34 | Thunder_Child | i tried to watch cromartie and said wtf way to many times. |
| 19:37.46 | haste | isn't that the entire point of cromartie :p ? |
| 19:38.03 | Thunder_Child | maybe it is, but thats not why i wanted to watch an anime |
| 19:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | most of the anime i watch i watch to say WTF |
| 19:38.37 | haste | wtf, mindfuck or depressing all the way |
| 19:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | the rest is either for badassery or political intrigue |
| 19:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | or crazy artsyfartsy stuff |
| 19:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | often crazy artsyfartsy stuff is WTF though |
| 19:39.26 | Mr_Rabies | like Kaiba |
| 19:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvQwAdR25lk |
| 19:39.39 | Mr_Rabies | one of my favorite shows, ever |
| 19:39.49 | haste | not seen kaiba |
| 19:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | you should |
| 19:40.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's amazing |
| 19:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | i watched more anime this from season than i've ever done at once |
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| 19:41.24 | Mr_Rabies | i usually watch one of the new shows, maybe |
| 19:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | this season i watched...5 |
| 19:41.46 | haste | I've been slacking as of 2007 :( |
| 19:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | Thermae Romae, Nichibros, Miniskirt Space Pirates, Rinne: The Flower of Lagrange, and Swan Song of the Valkyries: Symphogear |
| 19:42.43 | Mr_Rabies | symphogear is way better than i ever expected |
| 19:42.50 | haste | only watching nichibros out of those |
| 19:43.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's like super robots and magical girls crashed into each other |
| 19:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEqVvbdr5bI feat. portuguese subtitles! |
| 19:46.21 | haste | np |
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| 19:47.49 | haste | well that's a new way to fight I guess |
| 19:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's silly, but what's more to expect |
| 19:54.45 | Mr_Rabies | super robots + magical girls = silly |
| 19:55.08 | haste | not exactly what I imagined |
| 19:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | thermae romae was really good, it's only 6 eps and it's about a guy from ancient rome who accidentally travels to modern japan via roman bath house |
| 20:04.21 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbGSkqgz1QQ |
| 20:19.58 | Yoshimo | http://pastebin.com/C9rxQJrm , can someone help me find a solutin= |
| 20:30.51 | Shirik | line 7 corresponds to line 7 in there? |
| 20:32.14 | Shirik | seems like strWithWildcard is resolving to something like %9 |
| 20:32.25 | Shirik | and you don't have any captures in arg1 |
| 20:32.32 | Shirik | er |
| 20:32.34 | Shirik | in the pattern |
| 20:32.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:33.08 | Shirik | you can't remove the parens |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik | replace with (.+) instead of just .+ |
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| 21:12.35 | zenzelezz | so; the web bank thing for one of my banks does not accept one (or both) of "=" and ">" in the "message to the receiver" field; the other bank's system says I have 23 messages - clicking the "final page" (">>") link takes me to page 10... but the messages stop on page 3 |
| 21:19.46 | Shirik | um |
| 21:19.49 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Frood |
| 21:19.51 | Shirik | wat |
| 21:21.14 | kd3 | skills |
| 21:21.48 | kd3 | ponders editing his userpage on wowpedia to look like that |
| 21:23.26 | Shirik | I liked the edit summary https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Frood&diff=next&oldid=484901243 "I'll just put this here" |
| 21:25.33 | kd3 | oh, wow. maybe there is a god: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/nyregion/in-manhattan-pizza-war-price-of-slice-keeps-dropping.html (clear your cookies) |
| 21:27.41 | Maldivia | kd3: do a rotateX(180deg) instead then :P |
| 21:28.02 | Shirik | kd3: Pizza is way overpriced as it is |
| 21:28.04 | Shirik | so cheap to make |
| 21:28.08 | Shirik | and then you charge a fortune |
| 21:28.30 | kd3 | it's not like I don't know all about overcharging people for cheap commodities... |
| 21:29.07 | Shirik | time for haircut bye |
| 21:39.49 | Yoshimo | blizzard should place a cooldown on guildinvites, these guildinvitespam addons are really making me angry |
| 21:40.51 | zenzelezz | I've come to like the auto-decline setting |
| 21:40.58 | zenzelezz | pity it doesn't stop the accompanying tells |
| 21:41.40 | Yoshimo | thats my issue |
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| 22:36.47 | tlund | so I havn't played for a while. Updated all addons and logged in today - one addone is playing random boss emotes (sounds) at login. any one have any idea what one it might be? It has been added in the last few weeks :) |
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| 22:44.27 | tlund | *sigh* |
| 22:44.33 | tlund | it had to be TODAY i logged on |
| 22:44.37 | tlund | Sun Apr 1 00:44:37 CEST 2012 |
| 22:44.52 | tlund | never mind, did a bit of grep, found the code :) |
| 22:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah dbm usually runs april fool's code :p |
| 22:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | it was creepy as heck last year |
| 22:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | random c'thun emotes only |
| 22:51.27 | Mr_Rabies | i thought i was going nuts |
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| 22:59.21 | Maldivia | "Your friends will abandon you" |
| 23:00.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | not good to hear that every few hours while questing in like, tanaris |
| 23:07.39 | Adys | https://www.google.com.hk/#hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Qingming&fp=1&cad=b&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb nice |
| 23:09.01 | Maldivia | why link the hong kong version of google? |
| 23:10.41 | Thunder_Child | why not? |
| 23:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | only bad things happen in hong kong, i've seen kung fu movies, i know this |
| 23:15.36 | Maldivia | 36.37 mB/s... damn that's slow |
| 23:18.25 | Maldivia | hope it means MB/s, otherwise this will take an eternity |
| 23:20.42 | kd3 | huh. d/c from chat ~10 seconds before the server dropped me |
| 23:20.49 | Ressy | I did too |
| 23:22.52 | kd3 | also, wow. my phone apparently runs on air |
| 23:22.58 | kd3 | it's been at 4% for about 4 hours now |
| 23:24.23 | foxlit | Nether Tempest... is awesome! |
| 23:24.35 | Adys | youtube got their AF |
| 23:24.36 | Adys | <sigh> |
| 23:25.41 | Adys | today is a great day to be reinstalling everything on my computer. |
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| 23:30.53 | Maldivia | Adys: and what's the AF for youtube? |
| 23:31.01 | Adys | youtube collection |
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| 23:31.52 | Adys | https://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection |
| 23:33.19 | Maldivia | just an empty page for me |
| 23:33.28 | Adys | try harder :P |
| 23:39.13 | Adys | Did you mean to attach files? |
| 23:39.13 | Adys | You wrote "Attached is" in your message, but there are no files attached. Send anyway? |
| 23:39.15 | Adys | ~google++ |
| 23:40.01 | Maldivia | if google want's to be really mean, they'll announce Google Drive tomorrow :P |
| 23:40.23 | Thunder_Child | why would that be mean? |
| 23:40.31 | Adys | because your mom is mean |
| 23:40.55 | Maldivia | TC: becuse noone takes announcements seriously on April 1st |
| 23:41.49 | Adys | Google's own email service? |
| 23:41.49 | Adys | pft. |
| 23:42.02 | Adys | they shouldve announced google+ on april 1st haha |
| 23:42.55 | kd3 | I guess the servers can't handle the multiple 100k invite rounds |
| 23:43.46 | Adys | kd3: ehehe, how many beta invites arriving today are gonna be discarded? |
| 23:43.50 | Ressy | Servers are fine. |
| 23:43.55 | Ressy | coughs |
| 23:45.01 | Ressy | From what I hear "Servers are yawning from boredom." |
| 23:46.17 | kd3 | まじで？--er, seriously? |
| 23:46.51 | kd3 | I figured things would be crumbling under the load. I guess they've got some beefy hardware for pandaria/wandering isle |
| 23:47.00 | Adys | Maldivia: Moving 450 gigabytes of wow patches to an external hd connected through usb overnight. wish me luck |
| 23:47.13 | kd3 | eek |
| 23:47.49 | Ressy | I think whats causing stability problems are bugs.. |
| 23:48.15 | kd3 | not surprising |
| 23:48.30 | Adys | kd3, Maldivia, Arrowmaster, Dagmar: any recommendation on a good program to compare a directory's contents? |
| 23:48.46 | Arrowmaster | diff |
| 23:48.46 | kd3 | text files? binaries? |
| 23:48.49 | Adys | no |
| 23:48.55 | Adys | large binaries, 450gb |
| 23:49.03 | Adys | eg i copy a dir to somewhere else, then i want to check if all files are sane |
| 23:50.04 | kd3 | some kind of quick checksum? I use cksfv to generate crc32s--trivial to spoof, but great for incidental copy errors |
| 23:50.38 | Adys | theres over two thousand files |
| 23:50.58 | foxlit | what, exactly, are you scared of? |
| 23:51.02 | Adys | gmm |
| 23:51.02 | Adys | md5deep seems nice |
| 23:51.13 | kd3 | would rsync handle that kind of data? |
| 23:51.41 | Adys | foxlit: its an old hd, an old external hd, and its usb->miniUSB, not exactly the safest way to copy 450gb of data |
| 23:52.14 | Maldivia | I was about to suggest rsync in dry-run to check |
| 23:52.15 | kd3 | go bruteforce and use dd_rescue? it works on files too, not just filesystems/partitions |
| 23:52.54 | Adys | /home/adys/new/dosdevices/z:/dev/nvidia0: error at offset 18446744073709551615: Invalid argument |
| 23:52.57 | Adys | ouch to the ouch to the ouch |
| 23:53.11 | Adys | note to self: dont md5deep .wine |
| 23:53.12 | kd3 | reiterates his dd_rescue comment |
| 23:53.37 | Adys | ill try rsync, but md5deep looks like it can handle this |
| 23:53.41 | foxlit | I'm thinking there really should be error correction every step of that copy process |
| 23:53.59 | Adys | foxlit: I don't really want to take the chance for this amount of data |
| 23:54.15 | foxlit | you're always taking /some/ chance |
| 23:54.28 | kd3 | is smart indicating any kind of read errors or are you just being paranoid? |
| 23:54.35 | airtonix | lol dbm, i use bigwigs to get real work done |
| 23:55.08 | Adys | kd3: paranoia |
| 23:55.20 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/1962219 |
| 23:55.21 | Adys | this is cool |
| 23:55.51 | airtonix | what, md5deep? |
| 23:55.56 | Adys | ya |
| 23:56.15 | airtonix | its almost starting to look like a git repo |
| 23:56.38 | Adys | heh |
| 23:56.52 | airtonix | such a shame binaries are bad in git repos |
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| 23:59.31 | Jamash | rsync -acin imo |
| 23:59.59 | airtonix | hey Ackis, kde is quite good, shuttleworth is mad to drop kde |
