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| 01:27.57 | Shirik | Adys: I prefer the way vxWorks handles killing a task |
| 01:28.03 | Shirik | It goes "What task? >.> <.<" |
| 01:28.16 | Shirik | It literally just deletes the task block from kernel memory and forgets everything about it |
| 01:28.33 | Shirik | it remains resident in memory, but the memory becomes marked as not allocated, and it stops receiving CPU time |
| 01:28.37 | Dagmar | Word of warning: If your office is thinking about purchasing a product called DiamondIP from a company named BT to manage your DNS and IP space... |
| 01:28.40 | Dagmar | Kill them. |
| 01:28.45 | Shirik | and eventually the memory it was using gets used by something else |
| 01:29.14 | durcyn | Dagmar: you had my torch and pitchfork at "BT" |
| 01:34.35 | Dagmar | In the space of five minutes I just found four things in their application management *shit* that don't check the exit status of the command they just ran. |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | Three of these things would have immediately pinpointed the problem. |
| 01:35.06 | foxlit | Shirik: that's wonderful |
| 01:35.10 | Arrowmaster | "manage your DNS and IP space" what is this supposed to do? |
| 01:35.27 | foxlit | Shirik: I assume all tasks perform only atomic operations, then? |
| 01:35.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Act as a completely shitty web interface for ISC's BIND and DHCPd |
| 01:36.00 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 01:36.46 | Dagmar | The GPL 4.0 needs a section that says "If a majority of your users think your product is a steaming pile of shit, you immediately relenquish all rights to use the software. You are ruining the Internet, and should go back to waiting tables." |
| 01:38.34 | Dagmar | It doesn't help much that every time we call them with a problem, their support people spend several days poking at the logs, and I kid you not, will say "We're still looking at who caused the problem." |
| 01:38.51 | Dagmar | ...because they're trying to find some way to avoid blame. |
| 01:39.11 | Torhal | Pure win? |
| 01:39.13 | Torhal | [20:26:39] <Repo> [WoW] elvui: Elv22 master * v3.44-1-g77cf7ae ElvUI.toc: [+1 commit] fuck i'm drunk |
| 01:39.33 | durcyn | there are any number of less-shitty open source IPAM packages out there, who the hell chooses BT over anything |
| 01:39.33 | kd3 | heh |
| 01:39.46 | Dagmar | This is also no joke... Starting bind on their server platform actually calls a java program that spends about 30 seconds doing a whole bunch of crap, just to return _one word_ which tells it whether or not it's running a server or as an "appliance". |
| 01:39.59 | Dagmar | Sane, reasonable men would just put this in a text file and call it a day. |
| 01:40.20 | Dagmar | But no... Their code is "special" and actually looks to see if one of the two words is returned, and assumes the other. |
| 01:40.28 | kd3 | ...wtf |
| 01:40.48 | Dagmar | If it fails, it'll try to start bind outside it's chroot, and fail because bind will say "NO." |
| 01:43.53 | kd3 | yay for bind trying to enforce some sanity |
| 01:44.00 | kd3 | and wow, mega millions is up to a 500M jackpot |
| 01:44.53 | durcyn | mega? that's only .5 kilomillions. |
| 01:45.35 | foxlit | whywouldyouabusesiprefixeslikethat? |
| 01:45.54 | kd3 | did you lose your space key? |
| 01:46.04 | foxlit | no |
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| 01:47.33 | foxlit | Um, I have a taint-related question |
| 01:47.50 | kd3 | what'd you look at and break this time? |
| 01:47.59 | foxlit | my head, mainly. |
| 01:48.17 | kd3 | well, that's generally true of all taint issues |
| 01:48.27 | foxlit | it's to do with StaticPopup_Show ( http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/15354/StaticPopup.lua#3125 ) |
| 01:48.49 | foxlit | which can probably be condensed into something like |
| 01:50.11 | foxlit | function StaticPoup_OnShow(which, data) local foo = StaticPopup_FindVisible(which, data) StaticPopup1.which = which; StaticPopup1.data = data end |
| 01:50.57 | foxlit | suppose it's called form a secure execution path, with untainted which/data arguments. I can then verify that StaticPopup1.which and StaticPopup1.data are secure |
| 01:51.51 | foxlit | however, if you were to do /run StaticPopup_FindVisible = forceinsecure, and once again invoke the StaticPopup_Show from the secure execution path, the .which/.data fields on StaticPopup1 would still be secure |
| 01:52.37 | foxlit | which makes absolutely no sense to me -- execution path should be tainted by looking up the now-tainted FindVisible, or even the forceinsecure call |
| 01:53.42 | foxlit | so what's going on there? |
| 01:56.39 | alestane | If the data fields are set from an insecure execution, the new associations should be insecure. |
| 01:57.35 | foxlit | they should be, but that's not what I'm getting with issecurevariable() |
| 02:00.02 | alestane | I'm not sure if that's an issue with tainting failing, or an issue with the issecurevariable function. |
| 02:01.07 | foxlit | If I do /run StaticPopup1.which = "borg", issecurevariable() will correctly report that it is tainted |
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| 02:02.22 | foxlit | in general, the values it reports seem consistent with what is considered tainted for the purpose of performing secure actions -- the taint I'm trying to induce by overwriting the _FindVisible global should cause actions to fail, but it doesn't; the taint caused by overwriting .which myself should cause actions to fail, and it does. |
| 02:02.54 | alestane | Is the taint log recording that the global is getting tainted? |
| 02:03.33 | foxlit | _FindVisible? yes. Also get "execution tainted while reading global" events from that. |
| 02:03.45 | alestane | And have you confirmed that the code which calls that global doesn't have a local capture of the function...sounds like it. |
| 02:04.05 | alestane | You can send a specific write-up to alestane@comcast.net |
| 02:04.16 | TC-Work | kd3: "[Wed Mar 28 18:49:00 2012] [error] [client 172.16.103.66] Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/html/bugzilla" httpd.conf has symlinking enabled in all of the right places and group/ownder/perms are set right |
| 02:04.37 | TC-Work | owner* |
| 02:04.39 | TC-Work | any ideas? |
| 02:05.03 | kd3 | you sure any local .htaccess isn't overriding? |
| 02:05.30 | Dagmar | _Is_ That a symlink? |
| 02:05.40 | kd3 | is whatever that symlink pointing to readable by apache? |
| 02:05.44 | TC-Work | is there a specific place it would have to be located? |
| 02:05.55 | kd3 | either in /var/www/html or .../bugzilla |
| 02:05.57 | Dagmar | The destination has to be readable by Apache |
| 02:06.19 | Adys | qt5 is fucking painful to build |
| 02:06.21 | Adys | afk |
| 02:06.51 | TC-Work | "4 -rw-r-----. 1 apache apache 954 Feb 22 12:37 .htaccess" |
| 02:07.05 | kd3 | yah, open that up, make sure it's not denying symlinks |
| 02:07.26 | TC-Work | nope |
| 02:07.47 | kd3 | ok, didin't see a response to "is whatever that symlink pointing to readable by apache?" |
| 02:08.04 | kd3 | s/didin't/didn't/ |
| 02:08.16 | durcyn | has a day gone by in the past two weeks that you've broken something with bugzilla? you might consider hiring someone. |
| 02:08.17 | TC-Work | like i said it's all owned by apache and it's 777'd |
| 02:08.27 | TC-Work | durcyn: this is on centos 6 now |
| 02:08.31 | TC-Work | it was working already |
| 02:08.32 | Dagmar | Yuck. 777 is iffy |
| 02:08.42 | TC-Work | Dagmar: it's internal only, and for testing |
| 02:08.47 | durcyn | and why are you symlinking anyway |
| 02:08.47 | Dagmar | You did put the FollowSymlinks inside a Directory attribute, right? |
| 02:08.49 | foxlit | is *the whole target path* readable by apache? |
| 02:09.04 | kd3 | even then, if you can knock it down to 555/444 things would be saner, even in a testing environment |
| 02:09.04 | TC-Work | Dagmar: it's in 4 of them |
| 02:09.38 | Dagmar | Damn |
| 02:09.41 | Dagmar | stf |
| 02:09.43 | kd3 | ok, since you're on cent6... what's your selinux status now? |
| 02:09.44 | Dagmar | er wtf |
| 02:09.51 | TC-Work | i set it to permissive to test |
| 02:09.56 | TC-Work | foxlit: should be |
| 02:10.03 | kd3 | double-check that it's not denying |
| 02:10.11 | kd3 | even on permissive, it's often not |
| 02:10.22 | Dagmar | Hell, I'd su to root and then "back down" to the apache ID and see if you can still read the file |
| 02:10.41 | durcyn | you'll have to give httpd a valid shell to do that |
| 02:10.45 | Dagmar | If you have the magic kernel, it can deny things in permissive mode, but only when it's going to be _really annoying_ to do so. |
| 02:11.25 | Dagmar | durcyn: Nope. You jsut say -c /bin/bash |
| 02:11.27 | TC-Work | i set it to disabled and restarted apache, still no dice |
| 02:11.31 | durcyn | also, answer the question about why you're using symlinks, they're usually a bad idea |
| 02:11.35 | durcyn | Dagmar: thusly giving it a valid shell =P |
| 02:11.50 | TC-Work | how is symlinking a bad idea? |
| 02:11.52 | Dagmar | Nah it still woudln't have a valid shell. It's just running bash directly. |
| 02:12.05 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Because you can just as easily move the documentroot |
| 02:12.16 | Dagmar | Needless indirection in a filesystem will hurt you sooner or later |
| 02:12.36 | Dagmar | Acutally hell, moving the documentroot isn't that bad of an idea |
| 02:13.53 | Dagmar | If Bugzilla is the only thing that sucker's doing, I'd just make it the DocumentRoot, setfacl's for it, and call it done |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | Considering that FollowSymlinks tends to be enabled for / in the _default_ httpd.confs, I'm still suspecting something else like busticated permissions keeping apache from being able to read stuf |
| 02:16.09 | TC-Work | thats odd, i just tried to su as apache and got "This account is currently not available." i think i should restart the damn server |
| 02:16.16 | kd3 | er, no, that's correct |
| 02:16.28 | kd3 | su -c /bin/bash apache |
| 02:16.53 | kd3 | you should not normally be able to log in as apache -- if you look in /etc/passwd, its "shell" is /bin/bash |
| 02:16.53 | Dagmar | ...and you're likely going to need to su up to root first. |
| 02:17.08 | TC-Work | there is only a root account |
| 02:17.08 | kd3 | s@/bin/bash@/bin/false@ |
| 02:17.24 | Dagmar | waits |
| 02:17.50 | kd3 | I think purl only looks for the base s/// syntax |
| 02:17.55 | TC-Work | yes |
| 02:18.09 | Dagmar | Umm... There's "only" a root account? |
| 02:18.17 | TC-Work | i think it's the only thing that purl does not use ~ for |
| 02:18.25 | TC-Work | well no, but it is the only one with permissions |
| 02:18.34 | durcyn | how did you get a job adminning linux, anyway |
| 02:18.35 | Dagmar | Permissions for what? |
| 02:18.37 | kd3 | ok, as root, `su -c /bin/bash apache` |
| 02:18.40 | Dagmar | Su doesnt' really care about such things, man. |
| 02:18.43 | TC-Work | anything |
| 02:18.46 | Dagmar | It's _just_ a change of uid |
| 02:19.09 | TC-Work | same thing, not avaliable |
| 02:19.17 | kd3 | !? |
| 02:19.27 | Duman | is your apache chrooted? |
| 02:19.30 | Dagmar | About the only thing it cares is that there's an entry in the passwd file with a name |
| 02:19.36 | TC-Work | "apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/sbin/nologin" |
| 02:20.01 | Duman | does /sbin/nologin exist? |
| 02:20.12 | kd3 | oh, wait |
| 02:20.15 | durcyn | .... |
| 02:20.15 | Duman | not that it should care, tho |
| 02:20.16 | kd3 | it's su -s /bin/bash apache |
| 02:20.21 | TC-Work | yes it does |
| 02:20.27 | kd3 | not su -c |
| 02:20.35 | TC-Work | that worked |
| 02:20.39 | Duman | (also, I only read part of the scrollback - what's the initial problem? :) ) |
| 02:20.46 | Duman | nevermind then :) |
| 02:20.57 | kd3 | he's having permissions problems with bugzilla |
| 02:20.59 | kd3 | (ick) |
| 02:21.09 | Duman | is there no apachectl w/ that apache install or somethign? |
| 02:21.11 | Duman | ahh fun |
| 02:21.17 | Dagmar | Bah just set a shell on it then |
| 02:21.18 | TC-Work | well it can get to both files stored in www/html and throught the symlinks |
| 02:21.25 | TC-Work | through* |
| 02:21.38 | Dagmar | Give it a shell and a homedir and tell it "do wut I say bitch" |
| 02:22.09 | TC-Work | i would have to say that to the syseng here, and that aint happening |
| 02:22.29 | Dagmar | Hrmm... |
| 02:22.31 | TC-Work | she is nice but she just had a baby and i am not that crazy |
| 02:22.42 | kd3 | nah, since you're "logged in" as apache now, you should be triggering whatever's failing |
| 02:22.58 | kd3 | ` cat /whatever/the/path/to/the/bad/symlink` isn't failing on you? |
| 02:23.06 | TC-Work | nope |
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| 02:23.13 | TC-Work | i cd'd into all of the symlinks |
| 02:23.14 | kd3 | !? wtf |
| 02:23.42 | TC-Work | exactly |
| 02:23.51 | durcyn | chcon -t httpd_sys_content_t |
| 02:23.56 | durcyn | fyi. |
| 02:23.58 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:24.22 | kd3 | -Rt to make sure it recurses |
| 02:24.46 | Dagmar | OH |
| 02:24.50 | TC-Work | but se is set to disabled atm and it's still not going |
| 02:24.50 | kd3 | it's gotta be selinux shutting you down if you can get to it as an apache shell |
| 02:25.09 | durcyn | then you need to check your Options +FollowSymLinks |
| 02:25.12 | kd3 | did you reboot after disabling selinux? |
| 02:25.13 | Dagmar | Check the error_log |
| 02:25.22 | TC-Work | i just did, let me start everything up again |
| 02:25.23 | Dagmar | Make sure you're not _aliasing_ the target directory |
| 02:25.30 | TC-Work | durcyn: they are all set, did that first |
| 02:25.54 | durcyn | "all"? |
| 02:26.14 | TC-Work | there are multiple directory entries |
| 02:26.23 | durcyn | it should just be the <Location> block for that particular vhost |
| 02:26.42 | durcyn | set it in your config/include, or AllowOverride All and use .htaccess |
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| 02:27.04 | TC-Work | ok, so it does seem to be working now...so this is an selinux issue then? |
| 02:27.13 | Dagmar | Probably so |
| 02:27.34 | TC-Work | and selinux is supposed to be a good thing? |
| 02:27.41 | kd3 | I'd /highly/ recommend figuring out where selinux is shutting you down and fix it, then turn selinux back on |
| 02:27.44 | Dagmar | It *is* a good thing |
| 02:28.05 | Dagmar | It blocks the shit out of people who manage to get a tiny foothold on your machine. |
| 02:28.37 | TC-Work | and changes only take affect on a restart? |
| 02:28.53 | kd3 | big changes like disabling/enabling the whole selinux system |
| 02:29.03 | kd3 | toggling booleans/changing security parameters on directories happen realtime |
| 02:29.08 | Dagmar | <SElinux> You want to spawn a child process? Well... let me look at my clipboard here... No... no, I'm afraid you're not on the list. D-NIED." |
| 02:29.30 | durcyn | should take effect on execution of setenforce, but as dagmar mentioned, red hat has shipped buggy kernels |
| 02:30.10 | Dagmar | Hell, I had one box that was regularly fucking up when the thing was booting in permissive mode |
| 02:30.43 | Dagmar | I stopped derping off with getenforce and actually looked at the selinux logs. |
| 02:30.49 | Dagmar | Lots and lots of quiet fails in the background. |
| 02:31.14 | Dagmar | SElinux and mod_security are _annoying as fuck_ at times, but they will save your bacon many times over. |
| 02:31.20 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:31.21 | kd3 | ^^^^^^ |
| 02:31.30 | Dagmar | Last year I found like nine fucking webshells on one of our hosts. |
| 02:31.36 | Dagmar | Idiots hadn't been updating timthumb. |
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| 02:31.51 | Dagmar | Not one of them was able to be executed. |
| 02:32.10 | Dagmar | All they managed to do was donate me a shiny new set of webshells.. |
| 02:32.22 | Synse | Dagmar: To your IPAM/DNS/DHCPd comment, we use InfoBlox which isn't bad except for the JavaScript heavy ui which can get slow in a big environment. |
| 02:32.46 | Dagmar | Synse: Our sister half is using that, and I don't think that team understand how hot we are to get everything out of DiamondIP and into it |
| 02:33.41 | Dagmar | So like, when you tell it to do something through the web interface, it stores this task in a DB an then another process is alerted and asynchonously goes and gets it via SOAP and handles it |
| 02:33.49 | Synse | Not sure how much it cost us, but we pulled three Bind environments, two AD integrated, and our VitalQIP into it with their support |
| 02:33.53 | Dagmar | This task manager rather frequently jams up and _fails_ |
| 02:34.12 | kd3 | >.< |
| 02:34.16 | Dagmar | We start poking around for a way to detect this, perhaps by throwing in a trivial task through a CLI tool and then checking it |
| 02:34.30 | Dagmar | Yes, they have an API document explaining the CLI tools. |
| 02:34.50 | kd3 | "no, they don't fucking work" |
| 02:34.57 | Dagmar | Much to our delight and amazement, when this particular fuckup happens, the web interface will show you that the task is either queued or in progress... |
| 02:35.07 | Dagmar | ...but the API call _tells you the fucking thing completed_. |
| 02:35.55 | Dagmar | I suspect this is a matter simliar to why I can't work for Best Buy. |
| 02:36.18 | Dagmar | I'd like running around fixing people's machines, but since I _actually know what I'm doing_ they can't afford to pay me enough. |
| 02:36.21 | TC-Work | because you would want to cut yourself within 5 min? |
| 02:36.28 | Dagmar | Oh hell no. |
| 02:36.42 | Dagmar | The last time I worked in a repair shop, my boss was a vicious psycho |
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| 02:36.53 | Dagmar | I _emptied_ their shop of it's backlog in two months. |
| 02:37.22 | Dagmar | This was actually a backlog of about 110 machines. |
| 02:37.41 | Dagmar | ...which was formerly being mismanaged by three people, two of whom quit. |
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| 02:37.59 | Dagmar | I was happy as a pig in shit _despite_ the crazy woman running the place. |
| 02:38.36 | Dagmar | C-r-a-z-y. |
| 02:38.57 | Dagmar | Somehow, she was convinced that because I'm a hacker, I was hacking their customers when no one was looking. |
| 02:39.28 | Dagmar | Their field guy had me remote into some Novell server that was crashing, but *only* when the antivirus was being run from remote through PCAnywhere. |
| 02:39.52 | Dagmar | I was standing there, only hvaing had to tell the thing to dial in, and be his eyes, not even touching the keyboard. |
| 02:40.03 | Dagmar | She came into the office, saw it, freaked out, and called the police. |
| 02:40.47 | Dagmar | I put up with that crap for $12.50 an hour just long enough to find somewhere else to work |
| 02:41.49 | Dagmar | I dunno. Maybe she thought I was somehow hacking the system _with my mind_. |
| 02:42.05 | Arrowmaster | so i got a call two weeks ago about a $12 an hour job for just one weekend, 8 hours on saturday and 8 hours on sunday |
| 02:42.15 | Arrowmaster | guess what im doing this weekend |
| 02:42.26 | Dagmar | How many naked young women were you rubbing oil on? |
| 02:42.31 | TC-Work | not doing it? |
| 02:42.47 | Dagmar | It would have to be a _nice_ job |
| 02:42.49 | Arrowmaster | not doing it because yet another place has not called me back after i send them info |
| 02:43.10 | Dagmar | Hrmm... |
| 02:43.19 | Dagmar | Sounds like you got trolled by a contact harvester |
| 02:43.30 | Arrowmaster | kinda concerned since they asked for a copy of my drivers licence to do a background check (the job was going to be at a bank) |
| 02:43.46 | Dagmar | You did see an actual person, like, in person about this, right? |
| 02:43.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:43.52 | Dagmar | fuck |
| 02:43.53 | kd3 | er |
| 02:44.09 | Dagmar | I'd um, check with the IRS. |
| 02:44.25 | Dagmar | Someone else can now very likely take that information, and pretend to be you. |
| 02:44.51 | Dagmar | If you can't nail down that that's an actually legit company, he'll I'd report it to the cops |
| 02:44.55 | kd3 | speaking of, oh fuck. I need to do my taxes |
| 02:45.06 | Dagmar | We've got like, what... 19 days left? |
| 02:45.20 | TC-Work | or get an extension |
| 02:45.54 | Dagmar | I check with HR somewhat regularly because I've been burned before and wound up having to pay |
| 02:45.54 | Arrowmaster | need to do mine too |
| 02:46.17 | Dagmar | So, three times in the last ten, I've gotten it to where they owe me about $20. |
| 02:46.17 | Arrowmaster | just found the original tax info from curse this week, my dad put it somewhere and i never saw it for almost 2 months |
| 02:46.27 | Dagmar | "Yes, audit me. It will be entertaining." |
| 02:46.50 | Dagmar | If you don't owe, you basically don't have to file |
| 02:47.12 | Synse | Haha, both of my checks last year were under $20 |
| 02:47.13 | Dagmar | ...and after seven years, that money actually goes towards the national debt |
| 02:47.56 | Dagmar | The second year I actually started to file through H&R BLock's website just to see what it would do about RAF'ing that |
| 02:48.40 | Dagmar | It is at least smart enough to know RAF is not really an option if the fee is more than the return. |
| 02:49.14 | Arrowmaster | ok i checked the website for the domain i emailed a copy of my drivers license to, looks legit enough, even has an office address listed |
| 02:50.00 | Dagmar | Yeah now I'd research that physical location. |
| 02:50.18 | kd3 | starting with a streetview |
| 02:50.33 | Dagmar | At least make sure it's an office building. |
| 02:51.02 | Dagmar | Fraudsters are very good at presenting a convincing front, provided you don't actually look deeply into it. |
| 02:51.45 | Dagmar | There's also a matter of you _might_ want to actually run a background check on yourself. |
| 02:51.58 | Synse | Send me your credit card number and I'll run it through the system and make sure it hasn't been comprimised. |
| 02:52.01 | Dagmar | Those things now turn up information about outstanding debts. |
| 02:52.21 | Dagmar | You can get turned down pretty fast for a job if someone else was already using your digits and accumulating some crap |
| 02:52.28 | Dagmar | ...espcially if it's a bank involved. |
| 02:52.36 | pompy | I've seen shit like that on Dateline NBC! |
| 02:53.13 | Arrowmaster | shows up on streetview, hell google even lists the company as being there on maps |
| 02:54.07 | Arrowmaster | damnit i forgot to check the 'ignore listings with all degrees' box on my schools job site again |
| 02:54.15 | Arrowmaster | now im being offered a job in china |
| 02:55.39 | Dagmar | How long have they existed? |
| 02:56.06 | Dagmar | I spent a good seven years just doing "whatever". I've seen all kinds of shifty stuff. |
| 02:56.39 | Dagmar | One of the more common ones is a _really_ low-profit pyramid scheme, basically. |
| 02:56.44 | Arrowmaster | well the domain has existed since 2000 |
| 02:56.54 | Dagmar | Sure, they do sell _some_ product, but their primary profit comes from selling distributorships |
| 02:57.04 | Dagmar | OKay that's probably reasonably sound then |
| 02:57.42 | Dagmar | Most of those sorts of companies are around for three or fewer years because there's only so long you can really run that kind of scam |
| 02:58.38 | Dagmar | They should all just go ahead and sign on with Amway. |
| 02:59.37 | Arrowmaster | hey Reynolds & Reynolds has a Network Technician job listing on my collages job site AGAIN |
| 02:59.41 | Dagmar | Twice I saw places being run by basically, criminals, and the sad thing was if they paid attention, they'd have noticed they _actually_ had a viable buisness |
| 03:00.13 | Arrowmaster | i swear they are constantly looking for network technicians, probably to fire the current ones before they have to give them a raise |
| 03:00.35 | Dagmar | Heh or they might be just seriously overestimating how much they can lowball for |
| 03:00.53 | Arrowmaster | they wont even respond to my emails |
| 03:01.00 | Dagmar | Dollar General was schlepping a Unix admin position for about two years, at the dizzying salary rate of $35k |
| 03:01.28 | Dagmar | I had a good laugh with the guy at RHI about that. Heh |
| 03:01.41 | Arrowmaster | what would be lowballing for an entry level IT possition |
| 03:01.49 | Dagmar | One of my coworkers finally took them up on at at >$55k |
| 03:02.18 | Dagmar | Depends on what you're doing for them. |
| 03:02.24 | TC-Work | also depends where you live |
| 03:02.32 | TC-Work | since cost of living is different |
| 03:02.34 | Dagmar | If it's administrating a bunch of DG/UX and HP/UX boxes, yourself, $35 isn't it. |
| 03:03.50 | Arrowmaster | when places ask for a 'salary requirement' i usually put $25k |
| 03:03.56 | Dagmar | If you're just expected to babysit backup tapes, $35k would be fine |
| 03:04.12 | karl_w_w | can u inspect another addon's toc to find out what saved variables it has? |
| 03:04.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:04.36 | karl_w_w | pity |
| 03:04.45 | Dagmar | $25k? |
| 03:05.01 | Synse | a week? |
| 03:05.06 | Arrowmaster | a year |
| 03:05.17 | Dagmar | So you're basically asking for about $12/hour? |
| 03:05.30 | Arrowmaster | i really dont fucking care right now |
| 03:05.30 | Dagmar | That's help desk money |
| 03:05.50 | Dagmar | You have to do at least a bit of research for what's par for that type of job in your area |
| 03:06.08 | Arrowmaster | its been 2 years since i got my degree and a year since ive been completely out of collage and im still unemployed |
| 03:06.08 | Dagmar | HR people will toss your paperwork, simply assuming you made up your resume |
| 03:06.43 | Dagmar | Apply for some help desk jobs at some place you'd acutally _like_ to work |
| 03:07.01 | Arrowmaster | i have |
| 03:07.04 | Iriel | Or find an agency that's well aligned with the kind of work you want to do, if any are around |
| 03:07.16 | Dagmar | It would at least be a job in the meantime, and you'd have an inside view on getting through to someone who can recognize your skillset |
| 03:07.37 | Dagmar | They were boggled at Vandy when they actually looked into what I was doing with my spare time |
| 03:07.38 | Arrowmaster | im signed up at one temp agency but theyve not found anything for me yet |
| 03:09.46 | Arrowmaster | ohios just a shitty place to find a job |
| 03:11.40 | Dagmar | Well, clearly you can code... If you're not mentioning the stuff you've _done_ and people are using on your resume, then it's time you tracked down a headhunter to help you write a decent resume. |
| 03:12.45 | Arrowmaster | actually i dont have any coding stuff on my resume because im not looking for a programing job |
| 03:12.55 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 03:13.23 | Synse | Still put it on there, or at least bring it up in interviews. |
| 03:13.25 | Dagmar | Not even one with coding responsibilities? |
| 03:13.37 | Dagmar | There is _always_ coding to be done as a sysadmin. |
| 03:13.43 | Synse | ^ |
| 03:13.46 | TC-Work | ^^ |
| 03:14.02 | Arrowmaster | well the problem is i dont know any programming languages that places in ohio would be looking for, all i know is lua |
| 03:14.02 | Xyphoid | i am watching my sysadmin write code right this minute |
| 03:14.04 | Dagmar | Anyone who thinks there isn't is wearing an MCSE on their safety helmet |
| 03:14.16 | Arrowmaster | here everybody wants C# |
| 03:14.34 | Arrowmaster | or other bullshit stuff |
| 03:14.36 | Dagmar | Ye gods. Bash actually counts. As does perl, and perl takes less than a month to learn (a lifetime to master) |
| 03:14.50 | Dagmar | Well, snatch up a book. |
| 03:15.14 | Dagmar | C# isn't that hard. It's just ugly and unfortunately has the backing of a bunch of people with their heads up their asses. |
| 03:15.16 | Arrowmaster | i can do sh, i have to keep checking references as i do it but i can do it |
| 03:15.38 | Dagmar | I have been coding in perl since it was perl 4. |
| 03:16.03 | Dagmar | I *still* keep the reference manual handy and frequently check things just to make sure I've not missed something, or there's a newer/better way to do it. |
| 03:16.15 | Dagmar | If it's got more than two arguments involved, I just check it |
| 03:16.38 | Dagmar | I _despise_ watching my own code fail, which is why I was so deep into Ahab-space with this stupid web replication thing |
| 03:16.47 | Arrowmaster | problem is im very much a learn by doing and not a learn by reading or learn by doing examples when it comes to programming |
| 03:16.54 | Dagmar | I kept finding things that were just fucking up my unit test inputs |
| 03:17.06 | Arrowmaster | i learned TCL 10 fucking years ago just to program an eggdrop bot |
| 03:17.13 | Arrowmaster | forgot it all by now though |
| 03:17.19 | Dagmar | That's good. |
| 03:17.43 | Arrowmaster | if i dont have something to make myself in a language i cant learn it well |
| 03:17.44 | Dagmar | There shouldn't be anything in C# that should shock you. |
| 03:17.58 | Dagmar | So scribble up an addon archive manager. |
| 03:17.58 | Arrowmaster | well i dont even know C |
| 03:18.04 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:18.23 | Arrowmaster | the problem with C# is i dont fucking use windows, how am i supposed to learn it |
| 03:18.23 | Dagmar | C and C# are not related |
| 03:18.29 | Dagmar | Mono, probably |
| 03:18.55 | kd3 | c-sharp is MSFT's knockoff of java |
| 03:19.04 | Arrowmaster | and i would have to learn it the hard way wile everybody else is using VisualStudio |
| 03:19.31 | Dagmar | You also won't be like a deer in headlights if you suddenly can't use Visual Studio |
| 03:19.44 | kd3 | "acquire access" to your school's msdnaa account and get a win7 iso to run in virtualbox and VS2010? |
| 03:19.47 | Arrowmaster | i had some guy at a job fair tell me i should learn javascript |
| 03:20.03 | Dagmar | Can't hurt |
| 03:20.09 | Arrowmaster | i have about 4 keys from the schools msdnaa account for win7 |
| 03:20.20 | Dagmar | Oh wow you have MSDNAA? |
| 03:20.24 | Arrowmaster | NO |
| 03:20.29 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:20.45 | Arrowmaster | they only activated our accounts while we were actively in a CIS class |
| 03:21.04 | Jammer | lame :o |
| 03:21.04 | Dagmar | Well, at least you got some free stuff while you were there |
| 03:21.06 | kd3 | hell, they didn't even activate mine this semester |
| 03:21.21 | Dagmar | I wound up with three Win7 licences out of that |
| 03:21.25 | kd3 | is taking android development and advanced data communications, among others... |
| 03:21.28 | Arrowmaster | ive got 4 |
| 03:21.30 | Dagmar | TWo for VMs |
| 03:21.35 | Arrowmaster | 2 32bit and 2 64bit |
| 03:21.51 | Dagmar | kd3: Heh. You should have seen my first attempt at an Android app. |
| 03:22.08 | Dagmar | It was one button that when pushed said 'FUck you. Stop touching me.' |
| 03:22.12 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:22.21 | kd3 | that works well enough as a 'hello world' app |
| 03:22.25 | Dagmar | I was like "Yay I figured out the toolchain!" |
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| 03:33.18 | kd3 | now with prose. yay prose! (spoilers): http://www.wowpedia.org/Wandering_Isle_storyline |
| 03:41.35 | Dagmar | God |
| 03:41.56 | Dagmar | I decided to look up the URL for the female pandaren that was mentioned in here earlier. |
| 03:42.06 | kd3 | oh, that reminds me, I'm home now |
| 03:42.07 | Dagmar | That's the last time I'll be doin *that* kind of search |
| 03:42.09 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 03:42.26 | Dagmar | Rule 34 is bad. |
| 03:42.32 | kd3 | I'm sure I'm going to regret this, but hell, I've seen worse I'm sure |
| 03:42.53 | Dagmar | One was actually eating a "bowl of dick" |
| 03:43.38 | Dagmar | I have to go look at pictures of kittens and puppies now |
| 03:44.29 | Arrowmaster | do you need eyebleach.com? |
| 03:44.36 | Dagmar | I need mindbleach. |
| 03:44.53 | Dagmar | What the fuck are these people *doing* on the internet. |
| 03:44.55 | Dagmar | I did not need to know. |
| 03:44.57 | Arrowmaster | sfw version http://kidbleach.com/ |
| 03:45.09 | Dagmar | Excellent. |
| 03:45.12 | kd3 | gags |
| 03:45.12 | Dagmar | That's what I need to know |
| 03:45.22 | Dagmar | That people are putting incredibly cute baby animal pictures online |
| 03:45.44 | Dagmar | It's even a slideshow. That's awesome |
| 03:47.19 | Shirik | For anyone that wants to share my blast back to the 90s |
| 03:47.20 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIiLvg58SY&ob=av3e |
| 03:47.55 | Arrowmaster | 90s? |
| 03:48.43 | Shirik | 90s |
| 03:49.07 | Arrowmaster | it says copyright 04 |
| 03:49.18 | Shirik | I assume that's the music video |
| 03:49.23 | Shirik | ~wiki More_Than_Words |
| 03:49.28 | Jamash | really if you turn off safesearch and search for anything on google images it's your own damn fault |
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| 03:54.53 | kd3 | hahaha; http://i.imgur.com/rXxqW.jpg |
| 03:55.55 | Cairenn | heh, yeah, that one is cute |
| 04:00.35 | TC-Work | wtb more AC at work |
| 04:01.07 | mckenziemc | wtb more thunder children |
| 04:03.22 | TC-Work | you would have to talk to Thunder_Child about that |
| 04:03.31 | TC-Work | or Thunder_Dad anyway |
| 04:03.43 | TC-Work | and that sounds creepy |
| 04:04.16 | Shirik | "Danny, who did not want to give his last name, says it's a good neighborhood, with only two robberies in the last month" |
| 04:04.19 | Shirik | what |
| 04:04.37 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 04:05.19 | TC-Work | seems legit |
| 04:05.24 | Arrowmaster | somebody tried to steal a car on my street in the middle of the night, there were 3 neighbors outside in minutes, two of them armed with guns |
| 04:06.38 | Jamash | I think the police should be allowed to shoot anyone they see carrying a gun. |
| 04:06.53 | kd3 | if that includes police, I'm up for it |
| 04:07.04 | TC-Work | there are people that have permits to cary weapons |
| 04:07.11 | Jamash | so? |
| 04:07.21 | TC-Work | should they get shot? |
| 04:07.23 | Jamash | yes |
| 04:07.33 | Jamash | guns are dangerous |
| 04:07.38 | TC-Work | no, people are |
| 04:07.43 | Arrowmaster | one of those 2 i mentioned has a permit, he was coming home and saw the guy while he was parking his truck |
| 04:08.26 | Arrowmaster | i think theres more guns on my street than people |
| 04:08.52 | Jamash | if you are carrying a gun in public and are not an on-duty law enforcement officer you are a clear and present danger to others |
| 04:08.59 | pompy | speaking of intruders.. http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/141735193.html |
| 04:09.01 | Shirik | I have found the #1 way for a journalist to get me to stop reading their article is for them to write "it's" instead of "its" where inappropriate |
| 04:10.04 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 04:10.21 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: did you see the story about the old man that was getting beat up by 3 teenagers, almost beat to death and he had a concealed weapon permit and killed one of them |
| 04:10.33 | Jamash | no |
| 04:11.02 | Arrowmaster | it happened, he wasnt the first person the teens almost beat to death too |
| 04:12.22 | Jamash | did you see the story where 12,632 homicides were committed with guns in the united states in one year |
| 04:12.45 | Arrowmaster | how many of those were by people with concealed carry permits? |
| 04:12.55 | kd3 | how many car crashes kill people? heart disease? obesity? falling off ladders? |
| 04:12.55 | Jamash | I don't care? |
| 04:12.59 | kd3 | sharks? |
| 04:13.02 | Jamash | cars have a legitimate use |
| 04:13.09 | kd3 | so do guns? |
| 04:13.11 | Jamash | nope |
| 04:13.15 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 04:13.36 | kd3 | skeet shooting? hunting? defending against bears? |
| 04:13.38 | Jamash | nope.mkv |
| 04:13.50 | Arrowmaster | if you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns |
| 04:13.53 | Jamash | perfectg |
| 04:14.00 | Jamash | then we can arrest everyone who has a gun |
| 04:14.08 | Jamash | makes things so much simpler |
| 04:14.17 | kd3 | and how do you propose we do that? we're already arresting everyone who has pot, not that that's done any good |
| 04:14.20 | Arrowmaster | they already arrest anybody that has a gun without a license |
| 04:14.25 | Jamash | legalize pot, ban guns |
| 04:14.45 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: it's cute that you think that |
| 04:15.03 | Kaylin | OK depressing ads, why does it cost 18$ to help save abused animals but only 15$ to save children in Africa? |
| 04:16.42 | pompy | woo http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Anchorman-2-Happening-Ferrell-Star-30184.html |
| 04:17.03 | Jamash | Kaylin: volume? |
| 04:17.28 | Shirik | this is so true http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences5/suit |
| 04:18.45 | Jamash | suits are how the man keeps us down |
| 04:18.51 | Jamash | I'm from california |
| 04:19.27 | kd3 | this (but with a goatee, and not the kid) is me for the last 2 weeks: http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences5/beard |
| 04:20.39 | Jamash | why is it that beards are a secondary sexual characteristic, like breasts, yet nobody forces men to cover up their beards |
| 04:21.12 | mckenziemc | do you find beards erotic? |
| 04:21.20 | Jamash | not particularly |
| 04:21.49 | Jamash | however I am not sexually attracted to men |
| 04:22.39 | TC-Work | because beards are not genitalia? |
| 04:22.46 | TC-Work | which the rest are |
| 04:22.50 | Jamash | neither are breasts |
| 04:22.52 | mckenziemc | breasts aren't o.O |
| 04:23.10 | TC-Work | eg, close enough to reproductive |
| 04:23.16 | TC-Work | s/eg/eh/ |
| 04:23.20 | Jamash | I am interested to know how you think mammalian reproduction works, TC-Work |
| 04:23.27 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 04:23.30 | TC-Work | i said 'clsoe enough' |
| 04:23.40 | TC-Work | close* |
| 04:24.05 | Kaylin | close enough like 2 feet or so? |
| 04:24.13 | Jamash | by that logic, feet are genitalia |
| 04:24.22 | TC-Work | they are to some people |
| 04:24.29 | Kaylin | because this keyboard is pretty close to this diet pepsi |
| 04:24.31 | Jamash | I am now even more interested to know how you think mammalian reproduction works, TC-Work |
| 04:24.57 | Jamash | you might want to look up the difference between genitalia and erogenous zones |
| 04:25.02 | TC-Work | nope |
| 04:26.01 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: BTW - I was out of the tech industry for a decade because I thought "Hey, now that I have a kid I should probably move back to Ohio where my family is" |
| 04:26.09 | Torhal | So...yeah... |
| 04:26.13 | Torhal | Ohio == shit. |
| 04:26.46 | Arrowmaster | i would move but im not moving anywhere unless i have a job lined up already |
| 04:26.51 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 04:26.54 | Torhal | Rough. |
| 04:27.00 | Torhal | Which is why I did retail for 10 years. |
| 04:27.03 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.11 | Jamash | ouch |
| 04:27.23 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: get me a job |
| 04:31.09 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-74-226-100-71.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:32.37 | Shirik | Torhal: http://www.nataliedee.com/052005/ohio.jpg |
| 04:32.38 | TC-Work | http://theoatmeal.com/pterodactyl_video <- the fuck. |
| 04:32.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:33.08 | Torhal | Shirik: ... |
| 04:33.09 | Torhal | Truth! |
| 04:33.19 | Arrowmaster | not the pterodactyl video i was expecting |
| 04:33.33 | TC-Work | no, not that stupid porn one |
| 04:33.43 | TC-Work | a different stupid one |
| 04:33.44 | Arrowmaster | haha |
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| 04:37.19 | Dagmar | I'm sorry. Perhaps you were expecting something else from The Oatmeal? |
| 04:37.48 | Arrowmaster | the fuck http://i.imgur.com/RGM3z.jpg |
| 04:38.15 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I blame hipsters. |
| 04:39.35 | TC-Work | that could only be more amusing if it was in the teen/kids section |
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| 04:40.36 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/qkl6O ............. |
| 04:41.05 | Shirik | that cat looks sad |
| 04:41.26 | [Wobin] | I'd look sad too.. |
| 04:41.58 | pompy | lol http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/study-world-warcraft-better-singles-online-dating-sites-002402169.html |
| 04:42.53 | Arrowmaster | dont believe it |
| 04:43.23 | Dagmar | Yes, because saying "I have six level 85's" is proof of your ability to commit. |
| 04:43.31 | Dagmar | ...or maybe viability of being committed. |
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| 04:44.57 | Arrowmaster | the "75% actually traveled over 100 miles to meet their current partner" seems like bullshit |
| 04:45.12 | [Wobin] | there is something integrally incorrect with that research |
| 04:45.27 | [Wobin] | on the one hand you have a dating site |
| 04:45.31 | [Wobin] | on the other, a game |
| 04:45.37 | [Wobin] | on one, you have a lot of stats |
| 04:45.52 | Arrowmaster | right, its more likely that those stats are for 'people that meet their current partner through wow' |
| 04:45.55 | [Wobin] | on the other you can only ask "Those of you who are looking for a relationship on this game, how did you do?" |
| 04:46.33 | [Wobin] | correlation does not impy causation |
| 04:46.34 | Arrowmaster | the percentage for 'people that meet their current partner through wow' is likely extremely low |
| 04:47.17 | Arrowmaster | also says that 14.9% of players are single so that kinda kills your odds of meeting somebody through wow |
| 04:47.20 | [Wobin] | also, the simple fact that WoW is not a dating site. |
| 04:48.13 | mckenziemc | met his current partner through wow. |
| 04:48.55 | [Wobin] | mckenziemc: did you join WoW to specifically hook up? |
| 04:49.18 | [Wobin] | cause people dont' generally join dating sites, unless they're like... looking for a date =P |
| 04:49.19 | mckenziemc | no |
| 04:49.23 | [Wobin] | it's sure not for the graphics |
| 04:49.41 | Arrowmaster | dating sites suck |
| 04:50.05 | Dagmar | If you joined WoW to hook up, there's probably a guy saying "I'm so glad you came. Have a seat over there." in your future. |
| 04:50.06 | pompy | have expierence? |
| 04:50.12 | kd3 | ack, ui changes in the ptr |
| 04:50.31 | kd3 | also, sigh blizz: +ERR_REPORT_SUBMITTED_SUCCESSFULLY |
| 04:50.36 | TC-Work | "<Arrowmaster> the percentage for 'people that meet their current partner through wow' is likely extremely low" low from 11 million is still a rather decent number |
| 04:50.38 | mckenziemc | ptr? o.O |
| 04:50.38 | pompy | 4.3.4? |
| 04:50.48 | kd3 | yes to both of you |
| 04:51.24 | mckenziemc | what part of the ui? |
| 04:51.24 | [Wobin] | TC-Work: statiscally 'low' |
| 04:51.37 | kd3 | the helpframe, mostly |
| 04:51.58 | [Wobin] | ie, it doesn't matter the size of pool |
| 04:52.23 | [Wobin] | having a lot of people in the study doesn't make it 'more likely' |
| 04:53.19 | Shirik | you know what would prevent error reports from being submitted? |
| 04:53.25 | Shirik | adequate unit testing |
| 04:53.26 | [Wobin] | "According to the study, a whopping 75% of Warcraft players are dating someone else playing the game" phrasing implies that 100% of players are in a relationship |
| 04:53.50 | Shirik | I find it unlikely that 75% of players are dating someone else |
| 04:53.54 | Shirik | period |
| 04:53.59 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 04:54.05 | [Wobin] | overall, I think it's a ridiculous article |
| 04:54.20 | Arrowmaster | and most of the couples i knew when i still played were a couple before they started playing wow |
| 04:54.20 | [Wobin] | it's just throwing numbers around |
| 04:54.37 | [Wobin] | with no actual correlation or real comparison |
| 04:54.59 | Arrowmaster | well the source is http://www.onlineuniversity.net/gamers-get-girls/ |
| 04:55.15 | Arrowmaster | its just numbers and misrepresented ones at that |
| 04:56.25 | [Wobin] | it's like saying "Oh hey, if you go to a football game, PEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN FOOTBALL!" |
| 04:56.54 | Torhal | BLASPHEMY! |
| 04:57.37 | [Wobin] | according to that study, there are zero WoW relationships that are between 30 and 100miles apart |
| 04:57.53 | [Wobin] | it's the NULL ZONE |
| 04:58.32 | Bibi | haha kd3 |
| 04:58.33 | Bibi | nice |
| 04:58.44 | Bibi | I'll make you a picture |
| 04:58.51 | kd3 | ooh |
| 05:00.03 | Arrowmaster | is it bad that i can identify half of these but some of the others look familiar too http://i.imgur.com/S7UsC.jpg |
| 05:00.20 | Arrowmaster | kd3: ^ |
| 05:01.16 | kd3 | haruhi, old clannad, new clannad, dunno, amagami, drrrrr, dunno, dunno |
| 05:01.29 | Arrowmaster | WROGN |
| 05:01.32 | Arrowmaster | WRONG! |
| 05:01.43 | Arrowmaster | its not old clannad its new kanon |
| 05:02.40 | kd3 | blah, it is. there also is no 'old clannad', there's an old kanon |
| 05:02.56 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 05:02.59 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 05:04.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was like 'wtf? old clannad?' when you said that |
| 05:04.38 | Bibi | quickmeme is slow as fuck |
| 05:04.42 | Bibi | kd3: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3oiw3h/ |
| 05:04.44 | Bibi | there you go. |
| 05:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | sweet |
| 05:04.55 | Arrowmaster | http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/28/house-shoots-down-bill-that-would-have-stopped-employers-from-demanding-your-facebook-password/ |
| 05:04.58 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:05.02 | Mr_Rabies | just wiped in 397 gear in lost city of the tol'vir |
| 05:05.05 | Arrowmaster | technically shouldnt it already be illegal? |
| 05:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | never change, brazilains, never change |
| 05:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | actually 398 |
| 05:05.32 | Guillotine | kd3: What's wrong with having an error message that a report was successful? I assure you I see no problem with that >.> (At least the string isn't "Error: Success") |
| 05:08.17 | Fisker | i wonder why paladin T14 looks like a hunter set |
| 05:08.58 | nevcairiel | paladins are the new hunters |
| 05:09.29 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 05:09.51 | nevcairiel | someone has to fill the role of weapon ninja now that hunters only use ranged |
| 05:10.33 | Dagmar | Wait... wait... |
| 05:10.44 | Dagmar | You've known melee hunters? |
| 05:10.55 | kd3 | haven't we all? |
| 05:11.05 | Torhal | OMGWFTBBQ! It's a polearm! NEED |
| 05:11.07 | Dagmar | You actually took them seriously? |
| 05:11.14 | kd3 | no |
| 05:11.20 | Dagmar | Pfft. They shoudln't put high agility on polearms then |
| 05:11.22 | nevcairiel | its not that they play melee, but they still roll on all melee weapons |
| 05:11.33 | Dagmar | Oh that sounds more like LFR idiots to me |
| 05:11.59 | Dagmar | I thought you were talking about weapons in a role other than "stat baton" |
| 05:12.19 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 05:12.25 | Dagmar | It's almost never even worth it to do the variant, "Metal pompoms", unless you're leveling and just haven't fouond a good stick |
| 05:12.31 | Fisker | also nevcairiel hunters can still use melee |
| 05:12.36 | Fisker | don't be silly |
| 05:12.42 | Dagmar | Only as a parlor trick. |
| 05:12.47 | Fisker | so? |
| 05:12.50 | Dagmar | ONCE I finished a raid boss with Mongoose |
| 05:13.11 | Dagmar | "...and that is why hunters aren't allowed to melee." |
| 05:13.58 | Dagmar | Every time I've looked at it, melee for hunters is well... More damage than just idling with auto-shot |
| 05:14.18 | Dagmar | You can't even melee your pet down |
| 05:14.36 | Dagmar | It's sort of a good thing feeding them is optional. |
| 05:15.29 | Dagmar | The raid boss thing was f**king epic tho' |
| 05:15.56 | Dagmar | It turned into one of those "watching a paladin do the last 45 seconds of Helgan, alone" things, except I wasn't any fucking paladin |
| 05:16.04 | Dagmar | He was just that close to dead |
| 05:17.18 | Dagmar | I *really* wanted to use double claw weapons when I was like, 50. |
| 05:18.19 | Mr_Rabies | they should make fist weapons 2 handed, imo |
| 05:18.26 | Mr_Rabies | duplicate the weapon in both hands |
| 05:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | but gameplay wise be 2 handed |
| 05:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | let feral druids use them too, and have them show up in feral forms' paws |
| 05:19.06 | nevcairiel | that would look stupid |
| 05:19.43 | Mr_Rabies | if they were designed for that purpose i bet they'd look fine :o |
| 05:19.59 | Kaylin | big evil wolverine claws + bear would rock. |
| 05:20.24 | nevcairiel | you walk on those paws, its not like you stand on two paws and maul with the other two only |
| 05:20.33 | kd3 | imagines bears and cats bouncing around with their arms tied shoulder-length apart to the broom |
| 05:20.51 | kd3 | s/arms/forelegs/ |
| 05:22.31 | pompy | ~ping |
| 05:22.31 | purl | ~pong |
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| 05:26.25 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 05:26.28 | Fisker | why no beta yet? |
| 05:26.40 | kd3 | slowdeethree is slow |
| 05:26.53 | kd3 | and my tools just aren't seeing it |
| 05:27.14 | Fisker | i would've voted against too btw Arrowmaster |
| 05:28.43 | Fisker | worst idea for a law ever |
| 05:28.56 | Fisker | "Employer can't ask for your social networking passwords" |
| 05:28.57 | kd3 | the shitty drawing of what I imagined (hey, I'm not an art major): http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1129be1d7ce5ddae612c9d46e3d3cff8.jpg |
| 05:28.57 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 05:29.15 | [Wobin] | nevcairiel: pft, I've always wondered how bearswipe was 360degrees |
| 05:29.18 | Fisker | why is your man-bed riding a broom kd3 ? |
| 05:29.26 | [Wobin] | All four paws out... SPINNING ON WHAT? |
| 05:29.31 | kd3 | 01:20:32 * kd3 imagines bears and cats bouncing around with their arms tied shoulder-length apart to the broom |
| 05:29.51 | Fisker | looks like a manbed to me |
| 05:30.01 | [Wobin] | it does look like a manbed |
| 05:30.10 | kd3 | yah, it does |
| 05:35.20 | Fisker | haha Microsoft |
| 05:35.21 | Fisker | nice joke |
| 05:35.48 | Fisker | apparently the Bing Bar is an important update |
| 05:35.51 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg |
| 05:35.57 | kd3 | ah, there the new build is |
| 05:36.10 | Fisker | i see no new build :( |
| 05:36.16 | kd3 | clears some downstream bandwidth |
| 05:36.25 | Fisker | punches kd3 in the face |
| 05:36.43 | pompy | http://mop.wowhead.com/item=82811 nice |
| 05:37.44 | kd3 | wait, no. grr |
| 05:37.52 | kd3 | do I want caffeine at 1:30 in the morning? |
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| 05:38.27 | pompy | http://mop.wowhead.com/search?q=date%3A2012-03-29&refresh#items |
| 05:40.29 | Fisker | no pompy no! |
| 05:42.14 | pompy | rawr |
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| 06:20.07 | kd3 | okay; tools updated, beta found |
| 06:20.10 | kd3 | 500 megs to go |
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| 06:23.12 | nevcairiel | you need a faster connection, i started the launcher when i saw your lines and now its done downloading and installing =P |
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| 06:31.58 | Jamash | blizzard hax, I'm getting 2MB/s |
| 06:32.11 | Jamash | I don't get 2MB/s DL from anything |
| 06:34.58 | Jamash | odds on servers coming up in the next 24 hours? |
| 06:35.16 | nevcairiel | pretty high |
| 06:36.44 | Jamash | wut "Varian Gets Punched - Stormwind - Varian Gets Punched - Varian, Stormwind - Varian Gets Punched - Aysa, Stormwind - Varian Gets Punched - Jojo" |
| 06:37.09 | kd3 | that's the "Fight with Varian" quest, hopefully |
| 06:37.23 | Jamash | man I am 1000% in favor of varian getting punched in the face |
| 06:37.38 | kd3 | damn it, download! go faster |
| 06:38.06 | Jamash | why does every tier 14 set look like a set for a different class? |
| 06:38.36 | nevcairiel | maybe Bibi failed and they are sets for other classes |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | or maybe blizzard is trolling and mixed them up for the beta |
| 06:39.32 | Jamash | ice lance: QUAD DAMAGE |
| 06:39.43 | kd3 | zomg UT |
| 06:40.45 | Jamash | what is the point of a 1.5 second cooldown? |
| 06:40.56 | [Wobin] | irritation |
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| 06:41.12 | Jamash | don't all spells have a 1.5 second cooldown? |
| 06:41.40 | kd3 | the system only reduces gcds for spells with exactly a 1.5s cooldown iirc |
| 06:41.44 | nevcairiel | maybe there is a way to decrease the GCD |
| 06:41.58 | Jamash | are we talking about spell haste here? |
| 06:42.18 | kd3 | yes |
| 06:42.43 | Jamash | Okay. I haven't been able to keep track of how spell haste affects instant spells/the GCD. |
| 06:43.01 | Jamash | last I heard it worked differently for different classes/specs |
| 06:43.23 | kd3 | afaik this is correct for all classes: http://www.wowpedia.org/Casting_speed#Global_Cooldown |
| 06:43.26 | kd3 | EJ would know for sure |
| 06:46.11 | Jamash | good to know |
| 06:46.50 | Jamash | ooh, atonement with penance? sign me up |
| 06:46.59 | Jamash | man I sound like a catholic |
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| 06:52.38 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 06:52.51 | kd3 | yay, halfway done with the big part of the download |
| 06:53.04 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/MoP%20processed%20MPQ%20links%20%28http%29.txt |
| 06:53.39 | kd3 | yup |
| 07:00.13 | pompy | http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_359642002_5?ie=UTF8&docId=1000732251&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=0C0RJW3G90Q5R5D80P5E&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1355629202&pf_rd_i=468642 |
| 07:00.40 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:00.43 | bluspacecow | 500 k/s |
| 07:03.38 | Jamash | everyone go upvote this thread http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4253970619?page=1 |
| 07:04.36 | pompy | http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/292383 |
| 07:06.34 | Fisker | i can't Jamash |
| 07:06.52 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 07:06.52 | Jamash | copy and paste it to the EU forums then |
| 07:07.01 | bluspacecow | according to http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/beta/0E1FFF21/NA/config_recommended_na_2.xml |
| 07:07.04 | Jamash | and then upvote it |
| 07:07.07 | bluspacecow | there's 3 CDN servers you can use |
| 07:07.17 | bluspacecow | akamai , limelight and blizzards? |
| 07:07.25 | Fisker | Jamash it will be implemented in the next expansion |
| 07:07.28 | Fisker | or next one again |
| 07:07.30 | bluspacecow | not really getting better speeds for those ones tho |
| 07:08.11 | Fisker | so |
| 07:08.19 | Fisker | apparently trying to patch over rdp just ruined my install |
| 07:08.22 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:08.30 | bluspacecow | how now brown cow |
| 07:09.13 | Jamash | how now blu space cow? |
| 07:09.34 | Jamash | how could using rdp affect your install? |
| 07:09.36 | bluspacecow | fisker fiskered his MoP |
| 07:09.43 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 07:10.24 | Fisker | idk Jamash |
| 07:10.36 | Fisker | but when i opened the launcher the agent program crashed |
| 07:10.46 | Fisker | then i restarted the launcher and it said my installation was corrupt |
| 07:10.52 | Fisker | pls reinstall or contact customer support |
| 07:10.54 | Fisker | gg |
| 07:11.05 | bluspacecow | try deleting %userdata%/battle.net |
| 07:11.12 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 07:25.54 | AcidWeb | Morning |
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| 07:35.13 | bluspacecow | download done |
| 07:35.22 | bluspacecow | *takes out disection knives* |
| 07:35.26 | bluspacecow | now for that MPQ file |
| 07:39.47 | Maldivia | ohh, patch |
| 07:39.49 | kd3 | hokay, big diff this build |
| 07:39.51 | kd3 | 760k |
| 07:42.25 | bluspacecow | is that particularly large for your UI diffs ? |
| 07:42.48 | Jamash | oh yeah |
| 07:42.58 | kd3 | this early in a patch cycle, no not really |
| 07:43.01 | kd3 | overall, yah |
| 07:43.28 | AcidWeb | 760k beta-beta diff? |
| 07:43.51 | bluspacecow | yep |
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| 07:44.07 | kd3 | email #2 out |
| 07:44.14 | AcidWeb | kd3: thank you. |
| 07:44.35 | Jamash | BETA SERVERS ARE UP REPEAT UP |
| 07:44.40 | kd3 | indeed they are |
| 07:44.56 | kd3 | and they still haven't fixed the talent ui |
| 07:45.47 | Arrowmaster | oh for fucks sake |
| 07:46.19 | bluspacecow | 'sup arrow |
| 07:46.23 | Arrowmaster | so im watching Act of Valor and a guy takes an RPG to the chest at close range and says "good thing that was a dud" |
| 07:46.53 | Arrowmaster | RPG NEED 60 FEET BEFORE THEY ARE PRIMED |
| 07:47.09 | Arrowmaster | it was a 10 foot shot |
| 07:47.27 | AcidWeb | hmm Challenge Mode timer was added |
| 07:49.59 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 07:50.04 | bluspacecow | extracting it all now. |
| 07:50.35 | kd3 | no world map changes, blah |
| 07:51.27 | kd3 | and that's as much as I'm willing to check. need to get more than a few hours of sleep like I have been for a week now |
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| 07:53.14 | Jamash | aw crap making talents meaningful choices means I have to make meaningful choices now |
| 07:53.28 | Jamash | cursed by getting what we asked for |
| 07:53.51 | bluspacecow | just pick all the pretty looking ones |
| 07:53.58 | Jamash | THEY'RE ALL PRETTY |
| 07:54.20 | Arrowmaster | what happened to talents in cata? |
| 07:54.21 | bluspacecow | PICK ALL THE TALENTS then :) |
| 07:54.31 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope the beta waves pick up soon :( |
| 07:54.59 | AcidWeb | So major spec tree changes incoming? |
| 07:55.05 | Arrowmaster | when i got SoC'd and started looking at talents again i was wtfing over the talent changes in cata |
| 07:55.05 | Mr_Rabies | i want in to check out ui and professions changes mostly, and see how things progress through the patches in those regards, since they tend to be overlooked |
| 07:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | Arrowmaster: talents and spec are now split from each other |
| 07:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | talents are per-class and mostly utility based |
| 07:55.56 | Jamash | soc'd? |
| 07:56.08 | Arrowmaster | the 'you must put 31 points into a tree to put points in another tree' part had me wtfing |
| 07:56.11 | Mr_Rabies | and can (eventually) be changed anytime outside of combat |
| 07:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | in mists |
| 07:56.25 | Arrowmaster | sorry, SoR'd |
| 07:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | oh, you said cata |
| 07:56.45 | Mr_Rabies | cata talents are a step in the right direction, but they realized they needed a total overhaul |
| 07:56.57 | AcidWeb | I hope that new talent API will have function to return localised spec name. |
| 07:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | hybrid specs were removed because just about every one was broken in one way or another |
| 07:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | either horrendously over- or underpowered |
| 07:57.45 | Jamash | I'm not really sorry to see hybrids go |
| 07:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | they're coming back in an interesting way in mists |
| 07:58.13 | Jamash | seeing as the functionality I wanted from marksmanship is now a talent I can pick in any spec |
| 07:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | hybrids are gonna gain some of their hybrid utility back in unique ways, but they won't be talent-based |
| 07:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 07:58.40 | Mr_Rabies | some will, but you know what i mean |
| 07:58.43 | bluspacecow | HMM |
| 07:58.46 | bluspacecow | BRB |
| 07:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | talents being very different things in mists |
| 07:59.01 | Arrowmaster | finding new weird talnet specs was kinda fun, like back in classic i was one of the first warlocks promoting the 7/21/21+2 spec that ended up dominating raiding at the end |
| 07:59.13 | Jamash | druids are interesting, all specs are hybrid |
| 07:59.54 | Mr_Rabies | every expansion blizzard moves closer to my vision for druids since vanilla |
| 08:00.02 | Mr_Rabies | on paper, mists is pretty much there |
| 08:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | cat and bear really didn't need to be the same tree at all |
| 08:00.49 | Arrowmaster | at first from the announcement at blizzcon i seriously thought about coming back but then i saw the proposed warlock talents and thought it was crap |
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| 08:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | it made the talents bland because of having to put essential bear and cat talents in |
| 08:01.21 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: the new warlock builds are WTFAWESOME |
| 08:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | warlocks being able to semi-tank again is gonna be interesting |
| 08:01.37 | Arrowmaster | the ones i saw from blizzcon were crap |
| 08:01.43 | Jamash | forget blizzcon |
| 08:01.59 | Arrowmaster | got a link to current ones |
| 08:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | i still think they should do away with pure classes altogether, personally |
| 08:02.01 | AcidWeb | http://i.imgur.com/6u3dd.png |
| 08:02.02 | AcidWeb | lol |
| 08:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | give them all some form of hybrid utility |
| 08:02.23 | Mr_Rabies | (and give shamans a tank spec again) |
| 08:02.40 | Arrowmaster | i was forced into the warlock tank role for TBC, sometimes it was fun but most of the time it wasnt |
| 08:02.57 | Jamash | http://mop.wowhead.com/mists-of-pandaria-talent-calculator#o |
| 08:03.05 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really get forced into roles, i leave any guild that i see that happening to others pretty quickly |
| 08:03.29 | Jamash | also talents only tell half the story, you have to look at the full complement of spec-only spells and passives |
| 08:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | i've been feral since before 1.7, lol |
| 08:03.44 | Jamash | also glyphs, a lot of stuff got moved out to glyphs |
| 08:03.59 | Arrowmaster | well i was the most senior warlock, id been there the longest and i showed up to EVERY raid so i completely understand why i was forced into the role |
| 08:04.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really interested to see the final plan for glyphs |
| 08:04.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner find a raid that wanted me for the spec i wanted to play than change specs |
| 08:04.41 | Arrowmaster | i never had to change specs |
| 08:05.05 | Jamash | me either but I raided as a hunter |
| 08:05.06 | Mr_Rabies | at the end of the day, it's a way for me to have fun, and if i'm not there's no point in playing |
| 08:05.08 | Arrowmaster | well sometimes i think i did at first but i got paid back for it |
| 08:05.19 | Mr_Rabies | i was forced to heal back in early vanilla |
| 08:05.24 | Jamash | and occassionally disco priest |
| 08:05.34 | Mr_Rabies | but i quit the only raiding guild on the server about a month after i joined because i hated healing so much |
| 08:05.39 | Jamash | shields are back baby |
| 08:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | after that point i told myself i'd never do it again |
| 08:06.08 | Jamash | not as spammable but blizz made it abundantly clear that they don't want lolPWSspam |
| 08:06.09 | Arrowmaster | do warlocks even lifetap anymore? playing cata earlier this month i never seemed to have mana issues in the few dungeons i did |
| 08:06.16 | Jamash | eh, sometimes |
| 08:06.25 | Mr_Rabies | my demo lock doesn't have to really |
| 08:06.26 | Jamash | nowhere near as much as they used to |
| 08:06.42 | Arrowmaster | back in TBC lifetap was a set part of my rotation |
| 08:06.43 | Mr_Rabies | the only time i lifetap is when i'm low on mana and need to soul...channel...thing |
| 08:06.55 | Jamash | cool story bro? |
| 08:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | i lifetap to just about 0, slap on demon...armor? and heal up |
| 08:07.29 | Jamash | now new warlocks are maaaaassively changed |
| 08:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | then swap back to the other armor |
| 08:07.39 | Jamash | so YMMV |
| 08:07.50 | Jamash | but I'm really looking forward to MoP |
| 08:07.52 | Mr_Rabies | each warlock spec plays significantly differently from the other |
| 08:08.02 | Mr_Rabies | that's the best change for me for cata |
| 08:08.04 | Jamash | each spec has its own secondary resource |
| 08:08.08 | Jamash | in mop |
| 08:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | was giving each spec for every class a unique playstyle more or less |
| 08:08.43 | Jamash | soul shards for affliction, demonic fury for demo, it burns when I pee for destruction |
| 08:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | there may not be as huge of a difference for some versus others, but there is a much larger difference than pre-cata |
| 08:09.09 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope warlocks get felfire in MoP somehow |
| 08:09.12 | Jamash | hmm I wonder if respeccing is in |
| 08:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope i get picked soon :( |
| 08:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | where's the beta thing show up under account stuff? just below the PTR thing under WoW accounts? |
| 08:09.50 | Arrowmaster | ok looking at these warlock talents im still not impressed, they dont seem to have much use at all for raiding unless raiding has changed a lot from when i did it |
| 08:10.12 | Jamash | noooooooooooooooope |
| 08:10.41 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: talents are intended to be dps neutral |
| 08:10.57 | Jamash | and include utility-oriented spells |
| 08:11.26 | Jamash | the idea is that every player should be able to decide their own talent layout instead of having there be one "best" that everyone takes |
| 08:11.41 | Jamash | raid utility and such is all part of your spec now |
| 08:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | if it does affect dps at all, the intent is for the whole tier to affect dps by the same amount and just add flavor |
| 08:12.01 | Mr_Rabies | like the improved pet tier |
| 08:12.10 | Jamash | however, check out glyphs |
| 08:12.14 | Arrowmaster | raid utility was part of lock specs in TBC too |
| 08:12.15 | Mr_Rabies | grimoire tier |
| 08:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | spec and talents are different things now, Arrowmaster |
| 08:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | they're wholly unrelated |
| 08:12.41 | Arrowmaster | 'ok whos speced imp healthstone 1/2 and 2/2' 'whos got imp curse of shadows' |
| 08:12.58 | Mr_Rabies | feral druids can get typhoon and treants no |
| 08:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | w |
| 08:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | <Arrowmaster> 'ok whos speced imp healthstone 1/2 and 2/2' 'whos got imp curse of shadows' |
| 08:13.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so, so glad they removed all of these talents for cata |
| 08:13.53 | Mr_Rabies | that was the worst thing |
| 08:14.19 | Arrowmaster | that was the great thing about being the senior warlock, i got to give others bitch duty |
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| 08:14.52 | Mr_Rabies | i never got improved mark of the wild |
| 08:14.57 | Mr_Rabies | what a waste of 5 talent points |
| 08:15.27 | Arrowmaster | i did a double take in cata when somebody buffed me with motw and i checked the tooltip |
| 08:15.43 | AcidWeb | Arena spec detection code will require bucket of tweaks. |
| 08:15.47 | AcidWeb | I just love that |
| 08:15.53 | AcidWeb | ^Sarcasm |
| 08:16.13 | Jamash | yeah that's gonna be a barrel of laughs |
| 08:16.59 | Jamash | lua>3^6 |
| 08:17.00 | lua_bot | Jamash: 729 |
| 08:17.06 | Jamash | ha ha ha ha ha |
| 08:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a big fan of cata, except the push towards easier content towards the end of the expansion, that makes no sense to me, and questing-on-rails |
| 08:17.22 | Arrowmaster | oh Cheat Death isnt resilence based in MoP? is it still resilence based in cata? |
| 08:17.36 | Jamash | I'm a big fan of cata except the fact that my guild died trying to make the jump from heroics to raiding |
| 08:17.44 | Jamash | I haven't set foot in a raid in cata |
| 08:17.49 | Mr_Rabies | they should start easy with each expansion and gradually wind up harder than the last one |
| 08:17.54 | Jamash | ^ |
| 08:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | since by the end only the hardcore are left |
| 08:18.02 | Arrowmaster | my friend was part of the reason Cheat Death got nerfed to badly in TBC |
| 08:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | the other way around makes no sense |
| 08:18.21 | Jamash | I totally think that each expansion should have an UBRS |
| 08:18.43 | Mr_Rabies | going from super hard to super easy in cata is the most ass-backwards thing |
| 08:18.59 | Jamash | meaning a stepping-stone that's more like a dungeon that requires a raid group than a full on tier raid |
| 08:19.05 | Mr_Rabies | at least heroics kept a pretty smooth curve in terms of difficulty |
| 08:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | heroic raids |
| 08:20.12 | AcidWeb | Jamash: But i have to do that :P I dont have heart do leave ppl waiting for third arena historian reincarnation ;p |
| 08:20.17 | nilyaK | I wish I had smooth curves with lots of nerds queuing up to get into me... or something like that. |
| 08:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | but so few people step foot in those |
| 08:20.22 | nilyaK | maybe I need to go to bed. |
| 08:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | though the timed nerfs help a lot with that |
| 08:20.58 | Jamash | nilyaK: fnarr fnarr |
| 08:21.16 | nilyaK | are you a velociraptor? |
| 08:21.19 | Jamash | no |
| 08:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty much done with arenas, personally |
| 08:21.28 | Mr_Rabies | i've never really liked TDM |
| 08:21.29 | nilyaK | just checking |
| 08:21.33 | Jamash | that's the moral equivalent of "nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more" |
| 08:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't like how long they were used to determine game balance |
| 08:21.48 | Jamash | or HEYOOOO |
| 08:21.50 | nilyaK | nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat. |
| 08:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | objective-based pvp makes balancing so much easier, i really hope they push for some rad stuff with RBGs in MoP |
| 08:22.19 | Jamash | I watched a pro arena match on the blizzcon stream |
| 08:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | or other non-arena things |
| 08:22.29 | AcidWeb | Mr_Rabies: amen. |
| 08:22.36 | Jamash | it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a multiplayer video game |
| 08:22.49 | Mr_Rabies | arena terminology makes me angry too |
| 08:22.52 | Jamash | six people utterly failing to kill each other for 20 minutes |
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| 08:23.09 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: skubcleave? |
| 08:23.09 | Mr_Rabies | i swear there's gonna be a ronald reagan cleave comp before cata's over |
| 08:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | anti-skubcleave is so much better, brah |
| 08:23.32 | Jamash | nowai |
| 08:23.37 | karl_w_w | shadowcleave |
| 08:23.38 | nilyaK | so you mean top end arena is a bunch of people failing to kill eachother for 20 min |
| 08:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | get on my level peel peel peel |
| 08:23.41 | karl_w_w | beastcleave |
| 08:23.49 | Jamash | nilyaK: yes |
| 08:23.52 | nilyaK | and the worst raidfinder groups can do that in under 30s |
| 08:23.55 | karl_w_w | shatterplay |
| 08:23.55 | nilyaK | something is wrong here |
| 08:24.00 | Jamash | nyuk nyuk |
| 08:24.15 | Jamash | yeah maybe the arena should have a boss in it as well |
| 08:24.20 | Jamash | that would liven things up |
| 08:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 08:24.24 | AcidWeb | Jamash: better than 4 ppl trying to kill each other unsuccessfully for 45min ;p |
| 08:24.27 | nilyaK | it would, it'd be like at blizzcon |
| 08:24.37 | Mr_Rabies | that would kinda own |
| 08:24.38 | nilyaK | bloodboil from BT + arena teams |
| 08:24.42 | nilyaK | would be amazing |
| 08:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'd play arenas if there was like |
| 08:24.47 | nilyaK | bloodboil is the best choice |
| 08:24.52 | Mr_Rabies | a constant wave of enemies after like, 2 minutes |
| 08:24.59 | Mr_Rabies | that came in from both entrances |
| 08:25.06 | Mr_Rabies | tower defense style |
| 08:25.42 | nilyaK | ok sleep, wtb boyfriend, I have an extra bed if you think I |
| 08:25.48 | nilyaK | 'm too hideous to cuddle with |
| 08:25.51 | nilyaK | gn |
| 08:26.00 | Mr_Rabies | i got to 4k resil last tier and realized arenas aren't for me |
| 08:26.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm good at them, generally, but they're no fun |
| 08:26.27 | karl_w_w | winning is fun |
| 08:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 08:26.34 | Mr_Rabies | not so much for me |
| 08:26.35 | Jamash | put Lokholar the Ice Lord in arenas |
| 08:26.35 | karl_w_w | sadly we can only manage it 50% of the time |
| 08:26.35 | Arrowmaster | i never got any arena gear except weapons early on |
| 08:26.41 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | as long as i'm not losing more than half the time or losing in ways i have no control over |
| 08:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm fine with not winning always |
| 08:27.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing that's driving me up the wall lately in tribes ascend |
| 08:27.26 | Jamash | if you're winning more than 50% of the time you're either the best in the world (doubtful) or you're underranked |
| 08:27.42 | karl_w_w | not true |
| 08:27.43 | AcidWeb | Jamash: QQ good old times when i could fish on AV ;) |
| 08:27.54 | karl_w_w | if u win 50% of the time you're staying still |
| 08:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | i wind up on top of the scoreboard for our team, even though i'm only focusing on objectives and the team, but the rest of my team sucks so much we end up getting shut down 5 caps to 0 over and over |
| 08:28.15 | Mr_Rabies | losing out of my control is frustrating |
| 08:28.16 | Jamash | karl_w_w: more than 50% > 50% |
| 08:28.17 | Arrowmaster | old AV is one of the things i miss the most |
| 08:28.23 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 08:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's why i like dark souls so much |
| 08:28.34 | Arrowmaster | i used to solo bosses in AV |
| 08:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | so few of the deaths are things that are out of your control |
| 08:28.41 | karl_w_w | so for anybody to get a rating over ~1k some of them have to win more than 50% |
| 08:28.51 | Jamash | "or you're underranked" |
| 08:28.55 | karl_w_w | that doesnt make them best in the world or underranked |
| 08:28.59 | Jamash | uh |
| 08:29.07 | Arrowmaster | are they still using that modified ELO rating system? |
| 08:29.08 | Jamash | if you're gaining rank you're underranked |
| 08:29.19 | karl_w_w | not necessarily |
| 08:29.20 | Jamash | by definition |
| 08:29.29 | karl_w_w | your rank can increase as you are getting better |
| 08:29.44 | Jamash | fair point, but when you got better you became underranked ;) |
| 08:29.53 | AcidWeb | Arrowmaster: Rating system is a rogue AI. Nobody know how it works ;] |
| 08:30.01 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: whatever system they are using, it's a fucking mystery to most people |
| 08:30.10 | Jamash | it's a secret to everybody |
| 08:30.45 | Arrowmaster | well it used to be ELO, oh and then i think i read something saying they changed it to something based on microsofts trueskill system |
| 08:30.45 | karl_w_w | you have a team ranking, a personal ranking, a mmr, and some kind of combined mmr for who played that game |
| 08:31.00 | Jamash | they use google pagerank now |
| 08:31.05 | karl_w_w | personal mmr is hidden |
| 08:31.33 | karl_w_w | you seem to win and gain 10 personal and team ranking, then lose and lose 90 |
| 08:31.54 | Jamash | if they showed it then it would get massively gamed, unfortunately |
| 08:32.29 | Arrowmaster | i remember the bitching when people got so high that they would win games and lose points |
| 08:33.13 | karl_w_w | the problem with arena is that arena players play it |
| 08:33.48 | Jamash | the problem with arena is that it's a way to get loot |
| 08:34.02 | karl_w_w | blizz have to put in this unfathomable system so that the guys who care too much about it cant exploit it |
| 08:34.15 | karl_w_w | and those of u who just want to play dont know wtf is going on |
| 08:34.25 | Jamash | imo remove gear from arena |
| 08:34.56 | Jamash | "but then nobody will play arena" <-- good |
| 08:35.51 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 08:35.58 | Mr_Rabies | pet battles |
| 08:36.02 | Mr_Rabies | kinda do that :p |
| 08:36.16 | Jamash | every time I swap specs in beta I gain a skill point in spec swapping |
| 08:36.41 | karl_w_w | whut |
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| 08:42.50 | Jamash | yes |
| 08:42.54 | Jamash | whut indeed |
| 08:43.11 | Jamash | Your skill in All - Specializations has increased to 12. |
| 08:43.54 | Mr_Rabies | sorry guys i can't run this dungeon right now i need to level up my spec swapping before the raid this weekend, i don't want one to miss |
| 08:44.13 | Jamash | oh god harvest live is so awesome |
| 08:44.16 | Jamash | *life |
| 08:45.40 | AcidWeb | Mr_Rabies: World of Pokemon |
| 08:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | hey, it's pvp minus gear :D |
| 08:46.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm down with that |
| 08:46.07 | AcidWeb | hahaha |
| 08:46.11 | AcidWeb | you never know |
| 08:46.19 | AcidWeb | Maybe they will add trainer gear ;d |
| 08:46.28 | Mr_Rabies | i hope not |
| 08:46.36 | Mr_Rabies | i hope it stays a simple game of strategy |
| 08:46.57 | Mr_Rabies | with fun things like wild pets |
| 08:47.35 | AcidWeb | and goblin petballs :> |
| 08:48.30 | Mr_Rabies | my team of argent squire, guild herald, and alliance balloon will kill everyone |
| 08:49.28 | Mr_Rabies | in reality i'll probably use mechanical pets a lot, i'll RP a pokemon npc |
| 08:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | lil' smoky should totes be a voltorb knockoff |
| 08:50.07 | Jamash | murky will own you all |
| 08:50.09 | Arrowmaster | sewer rat + speedy |
| 08:51.33 | Jamash | burning rush is hilarious |
| 08:51.44 | Jamash | set self on fire -> run faster because on fire |
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| 08:57.28 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/ZVffJ.jpg |
| 08:57.48 | zenzio | hah |
| 08:57.57 | Cairenn | That's a strange looking kitteh |
| 08:58.11 | Jamash | pandaren cat form? |
| 08:58.25 | Mr_Rabies | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2012/march/vendorfilters.jpg |
| 08:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | SOLD |
| 08:58.59 | zenzio | Jamash: was going to say "can't be, pandas don't have (big) tails"... but then neither do elves |
| 08:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | the stuff that most people don't care about seems to be the stuff that has me the most excited with patches/expansions/games |
| 08:59.18 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: now THAT is a nice addition |
| 08:59.19 | zenzio | Mr_Rabies: cool |
| 08:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | having to wade through everyone else's gear is hella frustrating as is |
| 09:00.48 | bluspacecow | they have lockers in changing rooms for that ya know |
| 09:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | you're a changing room >:O |
| 09:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | okay, it's 5 AM, why am i still awake |
| 09:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | i blame the internet and its many interesting people |
| 09:03.55 | karl_w_w | will we be able to name our pets? |
| 09:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | i seem to remember hearing that was possible |
| 09:04.42 | bluspacecow | which pets ? |
| 09:04.48 | Mr_Rabies | minipets |
| 09:04.53 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 09:04.56 | Mr_Rabies | i...think that's what he means |
| 09:05.05 | Mr_Rabies | anything else wouldn't make sense really :p |
| 09:05.09 | karl_w_w | obviously :P |
| 09:05.10 | AcidWeb | UnitPopupMenus["PET"] = { "SET_FOCUS", "PET_PAPERDOLL", "PET_RENAME", "PET_DISMISS", "PET_ABANDON", "MOVE_PLAYER_FRAME", "MOVE_TARGET_FRAME", "CANCEL" }; |
| 09:05.13 | bluspacecow | i can vaguely remember something being said about renaming them |
| 09:05.20 | AcidWeb | I think that is: Yes. |
| 09:05.24 | karl_w_w | that's combat pets acid |
| 09:06.18 | bluspacecow | well whats the unit name for the new mini pets then ? |
| 09:06.38 | AcidWeb | karl_w_w: that is line from 4.3.3.15354-4.3.4.15499 ;p |
| 09:06.44 | bluspacecow | surely theres a *point at minipet tell me what its unit type is* type of function |
| 09:06.51 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 09:06.58 | bluspacecow | no macro system amirite |
| 09:07.06 | AcidWeb | ah ok |
| 09:07.11 | karl_w_w | no /run or /script |
| 09:07.21 | bluspacecow | how about /dump ? |
| 09:07.21 | AcidWeb | i understand my mistake now ;p |
| 09:07.23 | bluspacecow | does that go ? |
| 09:07.25 | karl_w_w | because of cogface |
| 09:07.36 | Jamash | dump works >.> |
| 09:07.39 | bluspacecow | its all cogwheel's fault |
| 09:07.46 | Jamash | try not to get it disabled k guys? |
| 09:08.18 | karl_w_w | so what you're saying is we should plaster the official forums with macros using /dump? |
| 09:08.25 | bluspacecow | *whistles innocently* |
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| 09:18.56 | bluspacecow | cant tell if this is new or old. but the that latest beta patch file ? has monk spell sounds in it |
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| 09:35.49 | karl_w_w | is it ok to hunt down rogues where they live and murder them for spamming fan of knives? |
| 09:37.06 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 09:40.20 | TMc51 | I never spam FoK, please don't murder me. :( |
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| 09:46.37 | karl_w_w | I've never seen american history x |
| 09:46.54 | karl_w_w | I've heard it's good but I don't want to see it because I haven't seen any of the first 9 |
| 09:52.40 | Humbedooh | pfft |
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| 09:58.54 | Fisker | it's not 9 karl_w_w |
| 09:59.02 | Fisker | it's not roman numerals but latin alphabet |
| 10:01.27 | karl_w_w | that's crazy Fisker |
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| 10:38.19 | Adys | kd3: Surprise, there's a PTR going on too. It's all changes to support |
| 10:38.22 | Adys | no you bloody dont :( |
| 10:39.50 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 10:39.52 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 10:42.44 | Adys | slightly |
| 10:46.38 | Maldivia | starts singing... I'm going slightly mad... |
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| 11:33.56 | Fisker | what support Adys ? |
| 11:34.08 | Adys | Fisker: i dont know ask kd3 |
| 11:34.19 | Fisker | punches kd3 |
| 11:34.41 | Fisker | geez |
| 11:34.42 | Fisker | finally Adys |
| 11:35.11 | Fisker | +HELPFRAME_SUBMIT_SUGGESTION_LEGAL = "By clicking |cffffd200Submit|r, you confirm that this is your own idea, and that it is not confidential. By submitting this suggestion, you permit Blizzard Entertainment to use this idea publicly with no obligation to compensate you."; |
| 11:35.12 | Fisker | xD |
| 11:35.39 | Fisker | i'm so happy Adys |
| 11:35.47 | Adys | lol |
| 11:36.41 | Fisker | GMQuickTicketSystemThrottled(); |
| 11:36.46 | Fisker | sounds like a nice feature too |
| 11:37.08 | Fisker | hopefully it's a "Fuck off with your retarded as fuck "OMG BETA PLS", jokes, and what not-related queries" |
| 11:37.11 | Fisker | -function |
| 11:37.50 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 11:37.52 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/MoPTotallyRadWTF.jpg |
| 11:37.55 | bluspacecow | wot is this ? |
| 11:38.09 | Fisker | and looks like there might be some kind of online self-item restoration thingy |
| 11:38.33 | bluspacecow | found it in texture.MPQ |
| 11:39.13 | Maldivia | looks like the title screen to the old NES game Totally RAD |
| 11:40.46 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 11:40.51 | bluspacecow | there was a game called that ? |
| 11:41.38 | Adys | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_Rad |
| 11:41.38 | Maldivia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_Rad |
| 11:41.46 | Adys | beat you by 8 milliseconds. |
| 11:41.56 | Adys | also i have https, bitch. |
| 11:41.58 | Maldivia | no on my screen :P |
| 11:42.39 | Adys | need a neutral third party here |
| 11:42.42 | Adys | Fisker: who won |
| 11:42.53 | Maldivia | yeah, since irc is local echo :P |
| 11:42.58 | TMc51 | Adys won |
| 11:43.01 | Adys | \o/ |
| 11:43.12 | haste | and you used the ssl version Adys ! |
| 11:43.18 | haste | also known as: Super Slow Loading |
| 11:43.20 | Adys | I'd like to thank everyone who helped me through this tough competition |
| 11:43.33 | Adys | Most of all Cairenn|afk. Couldn'tve made it without you! |
| 11:43.43 | sintAcks | irc's into Maldivia |
| 11:44.03 | Maldivia | uhh... naughty |
| 11:44.10 | sintAcks | exactly |
| 11:46.43 | Adys | Maldivia: he's touching your packets |
| 11:47.37 | Adys | I'm going to modify unix touch to be verbose by default |
| 11:47.43 | Adys | "Successfully touched x y" |
| 11:47.49 | Fisker | Adys won Maldivia |
| 11:47.52 | Fisker | bam |
| 11:47.54 | Fisker | bah |
| 11:48.13 | Maldivia | ... I didn't know I could be won... |
| 11:48.33 | Alram | <bluspacecow> wot is this ? |
| 11:48.36 | Alram | has been there for ages |
| 11:48.36 | Alram | sorry |
| 11:48.46 | bluspacecow | oh ? |
| 11:48.52 | amro | Adys: IMs you failure |
| 11:48.55 | bluspacecow | so it's just moved then. |
| 11:48.59 | Fisker | saw it in classic alpha bluspacecow |
| 11:49.53 | bluspacecow | lol *deletes twitter post* |
| 11:50.02 | Alram | weak |
| 11:51.16 | bluspacecow | well i was all like "look at this weird thing i found from beta" |
| 11:51.21 | bluspacecow | but turns out its old |
| 11:51.41 | bluspacecow | dr who OLD! |
| 11:52.17 | Alram | stuff is old the instant it is posted to the file servers |
| 11:52.36 | sintAcks | ur face is old |
| 11:55.30 | Adys | hehe |
| 11:55.31 | Adys | https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/404.html |
| 11:55.35 | Adys | love it |
| 11:55.44 | Adys | checking for libclub... /usr/bin/troll |
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| 12:34.27 | airtonix | hey Adys, on linux we have /etc/dictionaries-common/words (and other related dictionaries), is there a similar kind of locale dictionary text file that is standard on windows ? |
| 12:35.26 | wereHamster | hold on there. You mentioned 'windows' and 'standard' in one sentence... |
| 12:35.28 | Adys | airtonix: depends |
| 12:35.40 | airtonix | that i can open(file).readlines() |
| 12:35.46 | Kalroth | i doubt that |
| 12:35.49 | Adys | wereHamster: yeah, "depends" is pretty much the answer to a sentence that has "windows" and "standard" in it |
| 12:35.52 | Dagmar | That depends on how much you paid for it. |
| 12:35.57 | Adys | lol |
| 12:36.04 | Dagmar | Windows comes with Notepad free, and that's about it |
| 12:36.07 | Kalroth | there are no raw dictionaries for Windows |
| 12:36.12 | airtonix | fail |
| 12:36.16 | Adys | airtonix: but yes, it does depend. most apps come with their own dictionary |
| 12:36.24 | Adys | iirc word has a .dic file |
| 12:36.26 | Kalroth | at best you get something with Word, but it's a binary file format |
| 12:36.58 | Adys | Kalroth: im not so sure |
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| 12:37.09 | Adys | hunspell has the same format as word's .dic format |
| 12:37.14 | airtonix | Adys: i'm using django-mockups, and we generate hundreds of thousands of fake user profile models during jenkins runs by randomising the persons names from the dictionary |
| 12:37.56 | Adys | airtonix: search for files in .dic on windows, i dont know where they are |
| 12:37.58 | Adys | source: http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/editing-the-spell-checking-dictionaries |
| 12:38.09 | Kalroth | the .dic files i got here are definitely binary |
| 12:38.38 | Kalroth | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office14\ADVCMP.DIC |
| 12:38.43 | Adys | hm |
| 12:38.43 | Mikk | you sure it's not just .. oh.. utf16 |
| 12:38.48 | Mikk | MS likes utf16 |
| 12:38.49 | Mikk | cos stupid |
| 12:39.10 | Adys | a good editor wouldve detected thatr |
| 12:39.17 | Adys | The .dic and .aff files are normally in the encoding most appropriate for that language, which is unfortunately not usually UTF-8. You will need to open the files in an editor with that encoding enabled. Most of the Western European languages use Latin1 which should be easy. For other ones, search in the .aff file for the line that begins with "SET" to see which character set it uses. |
| 12:39.17 | Mikk | definitely |
| 12:39.22 | Kalroth | its not utf8/16/32 |
| 12:39.34 | Kalroth | Adys is on about Chrome's dic files |
| 12:39.41 | airtonix | what about macosx? will it have a text dictionary? |
| 12:39.47 | Mikk | vi |
| 12:39.49 | Mikk | cackles |
| 12:39.55 | airtonix | rages |
| 12:39.59 | Adys | airtonix: yes, osx has a builtin dictionary |
| 12:40.07 | Adys | but i dont know if its binary or not |
| 12:40.11 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 12:40.14 | Kalroth | firefox comes with one too! |
| 12:40.26 | airtonix | is it in text? and in a system location? |
| 12:40.27 | Adys | my firefox definitely has a dic |
| 12:40.53 | airtonix | or will i have to do some os.expanduser(some-freakn-path-to-mozilla) |
| 12:41.23 | Adys | airtonix: why are you doing all this? |
| 12:41.31 | Kalroth | airtonix: link users to http://www.dicts.info/uddl.php |
| 12:41.33 | Adys | if you need spellcheck, just use a library for it |
| 12:41.40 | Adys | aspell/hunspell both have python bindings |
| 12:42.35 | airtonix | Adys: i can safley use the name generator on linux because i know it will have text dictionaries... in a reliably central place. |
| 12:42.56 | Adys | airtonix: what do you actually need? |
| 12:42.58 | Kalroth | does it exist on all distros? |
| 12:43.22 | airtonix | Adys: a random name generator |
| 12:43.38 | Adys | airtonix: for? characters? |
| 12:43.39 | airtonix | i have heard of namegen |
| 12:43.40 | foxlit | Because you too can be bookshelfchair! |
| 12:43.57 | Adys | airtonix: a dictionary is not appropriate for a random name gen |
| 12:43.59 | airtonix | Adys: for jenkins continuous integration runs |
| 12:44.18 | Adys | what names do you intend to get? gimme a couple examples |
| 12:44.19 | airtonix | Adys: it's better than the lorum ipsum functions in django |
| 12:45.40 | airtonix | i actually have a japanes'ish name generator here |
| 12:46.45 | airtonix | it actually has to generate all kinds of names with wierd characters and codepages so i can automate the testing of things i need to account for |
| 12:49.06 | Adys | airtonix: i still dont get what kind of names you want |
| 12:49.58 | airtonix | Adys: names for people, and businesses.. they don't have to be real... i'm just getting sick of looking at jenkins build reports with names randomly generated from lorum ipsum |
| 12:50.50 | airtonix | jenkins will run ./manage.py mockups appname.ModelName:count otherappname.OtherModelName:another_count |
| 12:50.56 | airtonix | for test data |
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| 12:51.32 | airtonix | and a brief test with using the text dictionary in /etc was amusing |
| 12:51.56 | Adys | you really need to use system dictionaries for this? |
| 12:52.02 | Adys | just ship one of the ones in /etc |
| 12:52.03 | airtonix | probably not |
| 12:52.18 | airtonix | i mean i could just use the namegen fork i have |
| 12:52.35 | airtonix | but the system provided dictionary is some thing i don't have to provide |
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| 13:12.46 | Maldivia | ... ok, sometimes I don't get generics (java)... |
| 13:13.07 | Ressy | Maldivia, thx for the email. :) |
| 13:16.13 | Maldivia | Ressy: well, it's a cronjob that handles it, so :P |
| 13:17.39 | Ressy | thx for adding me to the list then. :P |
| 13:20.21 | airtonix | Maldivia works for the fbi |
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| 13:23.23 | bluspacecow | lies |
| 13:23.25 | bluspacecow | CIA |
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| 13:36.45 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:36.46 | Fisker | umad? |
| 13:36.56 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 13:37.41 | Fisker | uglad+ |
| 13:37.42 | Fisker | ? |
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| 13:42.56 | bluspacecow | i sleepy :/ |
| 13:45.06 | Fisker | i boxxy bluspacecow |
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| 13:58.45 | Maldivia | airtonix: not exactly, but I do work for a 3-letter company :P |
| 14:02.05 | Fisker | ibm? |
| 14:02.12 | Adys | given that you use java, I'm going to guess it's a terrible company |
| 14:07.08 | Kalroth | he works for ORL |
| 14:07.39 | Kalroth | i couldn't fit ORACLE into 3 ltters :( |
| 14:08.43 | Maldivia | If you wanted to fit Oracle into 3 letters: Sun :) |
| 14:08.46 | Maldivia | but no |
| 14:09.02 | Adys | Kalroth: I dont think they uuse java for otorhinolaryngology |
| 14:09.10 | mitch0 | ORA |
| 14:09.39 | Torhal | Maldivia: 10 years ago that would have made me go o.O |
| 14:09.43 | karl_w_w | cia? aig? bmw? |
| 14:09.44 | Torhal | Heh |
| 14:10.09 | bluspacecow | ni ni bed times |
| 14:10.11 | Adys | Torhal: i dont think thats a company |
| 14:10.12 | karl_w_w | tdk? |
| 14:10.18 | Torhal | BlackNet: LIES |
| 14:10.21 | Torhal | Adys: :P |
| 14:10.47 | karl_w_w | i cant think of any more 3 letter companies |
| 14:10.57 | mitch0 | sco |
| 14:13.58 | airtonix | karl_w_w: mum |
| 14:14.42 | Kalroth | UNF is a good company |
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| 14:24.27 | airtonix | so not the ira |
| 14:24.57 | Kalroth | i dont think IRA is a registered company |
| 14:25.04 | airtonix | the phone would ring |
| 14:25.06 | airtonix | and people would say |
| 14:25.13 | airtonix | "It's the Company" |
| 14:25.25 | airtonix | so Kalroth, I disagree |
| 14:25.32 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:25.50 | airtonix | yeah and you would know about the law |
| 14:26.00 | airtonix | if you did not follow directions |
| 14:26.07 | airtonix | from "The Company" |
| 14:26.12 | airtonix | that rang your telephone |
| 14:26.36 | airtonix | other wise know as the |
| 14:26.40 | airtonix | Dog and Bone |
| 14:28.11 | Fisker | it's ibm Maldivia |
| 14:28.13 | Fisker | just give it up |
| 14:30.46 | Maldivia | heh, no |
| 14:31.27 | Maldivia | come to think of it, my previous place was also a 3 letter company |
| 14:32.41 | mitch0 | bbq |
| 14:34.06 | Maldivia | not fair, now Im hungry |
| 14:45.00 | Fisker | so your previous place was ibm Maldivia |
| 14:48.24 | Stanzilla | SAP? |
| 14:49.57 | Kalroth | Fisker is a SAP |
| 14:50.11 | mitch0 | or FAP |
| 14:50.32 | karl_w_w | AMD? |
| 14:50.44 | karl_w_w | Kalroth works for AMD, it's decided |
| 14:50.51 | Kalroth | nooo |
| 14:50.56 | Kalroth | hardware suxx |
| 14:51.13 | karl_w_w | ooh so it's a software company |
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| 14:53.10 | karl_w_w | RIM? :P |
| 14:54.08 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TLAs_from_AA0_to_DZ9 |
| 14:54.11 | karl_w_w | are you serious |
| 14:54.46 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TLAs_from_AAA_to_DZZ lol |
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| 15:03.24 | Maldivia | well, I can see that my current place is listed in the QAA-TZZ list :P |
| 15:04.28 | Kraps | http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/3/27/f4c39f4c-6e99-440b-a188-0bf03d8880e7.jpg |
| 15:04.32 | Kraps | that is all |
| 15:05.41 | karl_w_w | so |
| 15:05.55 | karl_w_w | kraps, you're brought about the end of the world? |
| 15:06.00 | karl_w_w | you've* |
| 15:06.10 | Kraps | i have? |
| 15:06.12 | Kraps | sweet |
| 15:06.29 | karl_w_w | by showing us a politian achieving something useful |
| 15:06.34 | Kraps | hehe |
| 15:06.39 | karl_w_w | and me spelling badly |
| 15:11.18 | Fisker | oh god |
| 15:11.20 | Fisker | pet ui is in |
| 15:11.48 | karl_w_w | how does that make you feel? |
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| 15:21.01 | AcidWeb | I recived today bugreport of one addon I maintain. |
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| 15:21.17 | AcidWeb | Author of that report used 2y old version -,- |
| 15:21.53 | |Jelly| | :| |
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| 15:24.17 | Kraps | oh AcidWeb that was me |
| 15:24.22 | Kraps | fix pls |
| 15:24.23 | alestane | Bwat them with sitcks. |
| 15:24.26 | alestane | Beat* |
| 15:24.37 | alestane | Okay, then beat Kraps with sticks. |
| 15:24.45 | Kraps | :( |
| 15:25.28 | AcidWeb | Kraps: Fix is quite simple. Take a brick and hit your monitor untill error will disappear. |
| 15:25.41 | Kraps | kthanks! |
| 15:25.52 | Kraps | you guys are so helpful |
| 15:26.02 | AcidWeb | You welcome! |
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| 15:38.35 | AcidWeb | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20974-AuctionSold.html |
| 15:38.36 | AcidWeb | wt |
| 15:38.37 | AcidWeb | f |
| 15:38.42 | amro | Adys: ping |
| 15:39.35 | cogwheel | mmmmmmmm... baked goods analogies.... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4254459933?page=1#14 |
| 15:41.47 | cogwheel | i heard someone mention that ~1mil people signed up for annual pass. is there any source for that? |
| 15:42.09 | Maldivia | mmm... donuts |
| 15:42.10 | pompy | cogwheel: whar our invites? |
| 15:42.42 | cogwheel | pompy: ikr? ... but if you think about it ... they have to reproduce 1/10 of their live capacity in order to accommodate that many people in beta |
| 15:42.46 | cogwheel | assuming the number's true |
| 15:44.19 | Maldivia | cogwheel: the 1 mill number was mentioned at one of the quarterly conference calls |
| 15:45.11 | cogwheel | i wonder if the people running the beta when "holy shit" or "oh shit" when they saw the numbers climb? :P |
| 15:46.05 | pompy | what numbers? |
| 15:46.15 | cogwheel | of people signing up for AP |
| 15:46.30 | cogwheel | read: the capacity they have to provide for beta |
| 15:47.10 | pompy | well they should have xpected it |
| 15:47.13 | pompy | lol |
| 15:47.26 | cogwheel | "should" is never a good word to apply to hindsight |
| 15:47.28 | Fisker | umad cogwheel ? |
| 15:47.34 | cogwheel | no pompy is tho |
| 15:47.36 | cogwheel | hesomad |
| 15:47.40 | pompy | nah |
| 15:47.43 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:47.44 | durcyn | forgive me if i am unable to muster any sympathy for a blatant activision cash grab |
| 15:48.10 | Maldivia | cogwheel: the mmo-champ summary of the Q4 conference call: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2644-WoW-stabilizes-over-10M-subscribers-down-100k-in-Q4-2011 |
| 15:48.21 | pompy | how many beta servers do they have? |
| 15:48.30 | Fisker | 4 |
| 15:48.39 | durcyn | if bobby wanted another vacation home, he should've just sold another stupid $25 horsey |
| 15:48.40 | Fisker | 2 for us, 1 for eu and 1 for kr i think |
| 15:48.52 | Fisker | umad durcyn ? |
| 15:48.57 | durcyn | somad |
| 15:49.08 | cogwheel | forgive me if i am unable to muster any sympathy for a criticism of blizzard that uses "activision" as its basis |
| 15:49.17 | pompy | lol |
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| 15:51.52 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:53.37 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 15:53.44 | cogwheel | shining time |
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| 15:57.27 | Lunessa | redrum |
| 15:59.44 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/ApSci/posts/347965301907546 |
| 16:04.51 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg pompy |
| 16:05.40 | karl_w_w | why are people always amazed that for-profit businesses like making profit? |
| 16:06.10 | Stanzilla | Fisker: http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=211510 why aren't you in there? |
| 16:06.14 | Fisker | it's wrong karl_w_w |
| 16:06.27 | Fisker | because i'm not in the guild Stanzilla ? |
| 16:06.31 | karl_w_w | find me a charity that makes an MMO worth playing and I'll be all for it |
| 16:07.09 | Stanzilla | Fisker: oh did you switch? |
| 16:07.31 | Fisker | wut lol? |
| 16:07.40 | Stanzilla | I thought that was your guild :( |
| 16:07.43 | Torhal|work | switched Stanzilla and Fisker at birth. |
| 16:07.57 | Fisker | i've not been in the guild since patch 3.3 |
| 16:08.03 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
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| 16:08.24 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/microsoft-release-xbox-lite-unveil-e3-2012-ts-140113/ |
| 16:08.24 | Stanzilla | is your current guild better or worse? |
| 16:08.49 | foxlit | why are there still wands in the game? |
| 16:08.59 | Fisker | why not foxlit ? |
| 16:09.16 | foxlit | because it seems like they were supposed to kill off some weapon slots in MoP |
| 16:09.31 | karl_w_w | wands are becoming mainhands |
| 16:09.45 | karl_w_w | like a dagger or a mace |
| 16:09.55 | karl_w_w | or a sword for us cool casters |
| 16:10.52 | Torhal|work | Fisker: Could somebody please delete my Curse Account "fisker31"? |
| 16:10.55 | Torhal|work | Is that YOU? |
| 16:11.00 | Torhal|work | deletes Fisker. |
| 16:11.16 | durcyn | delete all fiskers |
| 16:11.16 | Fisker | why Torhal|work ? |
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| 16:11.25 | Torhal|work | :D |
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| 16:12.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: It was announced at Blizzcon that wands would become MH weapons for casters. |
| 16:15.30 | Fisker | was it Lunessa ? |
| 16:15.35 | Lunessa | It was. |
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| 16:16.06 | Lunessa | "We know that some of you want to pretend you're Harry Potter, so we're going to make wands a main hand weapon for casters." |
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| 16:27.51 | Fisker | i know Lunessa |
| 16:32.10 | Jamash | it's not like caster MH weapons are good for killing things with anyway |
| 16:33.44 | Jamash | now that the beta appears to be actually working hopefully more invites will be going out? |
| 16:33.56 | karl_w_w | that's what we need better spells like sectumsempra and avada kedavra |
| 16:34.14 | Jamash | my sister says her housemate joe yells at her every time he checks his email 'cause she's in beta and he isn't despite both having annual pass |
| 16:34.21 | durcyn | i'm waiting for gandalf style sword/staff dual wield |
| 16:34.44 | Jamash | dual staves imo |
| 16:34.45 | karl_w_w | there is an offhand that looks like a staff |
| 16:34.57 | karl_w_w | big long thing |
| 16:35.05 | Jamash | [12:34:44] <karl_w_w> big long thing |
| 16:35.15 | Jamash | heh heh |
| 16:35.27 | karl_w_w | you wouldn't be able to handle it Jamash |
| 16:35.37 | Maldivia | that would be why it's off hand? |
| 16:36.28 | Jamash | I wonder if hunters can still dual wield |
| 16:37.14 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy, Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/Uhf5j.gif |
| 16:38.52 | karl_w_w | imo people should just set up a highlight for the word "cat" if they want to |
| 16:39.02 | Torhal|work | old |
| 16:39.03 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 16:39.08 | Torhal|work | Like, 2007 at least |
| 16:40.29 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: http://i.imgur.com/dfQuG.gif |
| 16:42.20 | Jamash | oh great VS doesn't copy to beta servers, GJ blizzard |
| 16:42.45 | foxlit | heh, you can't respec on beta? |
| 16:43.05 | Fisker | old foxlit |
| 16:43.48 | Jamash | you can reset your talents but not your spec |
| 16:43.56 | Jamash | in fact resetting your talents is REALLY EASY |
| 16:44.10 | Jamash | just swap specs |
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| 17:08.10 | Torhal|work | Why, Fisker. |
| 17:11.29 | Cairenn|afk | karl_w_w: cute |
| 17:11.29 | Cairenn|afk | adys & Maldivia: Adys won by 00.00.01 |
| 17:11.58 | Maldivia | *hmpf* ... no more cat pictures for you... |
| 17:12.03 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 17:12.22 | Cairenn|afk | smoogles Maldivia |
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| 17:13.04 | Maldivia | I feel like this now... http://i.imgur.com/rCzoe.gif |
| 17:13.10 | alestane | Ooh! Her secret weapon! |
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| 17:22.52 | amro | https://www.fsf.org/news/2011-free-software-awards-announced |
| 17:22.57 | amro | what is that thing behind Matz? |
| 17:26.24 | Fisker | why Torhal|work ? |
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| 17:37.54 | Shirik | This year, it was given to Yukihiro Matsumoto (aka Matz), the creator of the Ruby programming language. |
| 17:37.57 | Shirik | why the hell |
| 17:38.04 | Shirik | would you get a reward for creating something awful |
| 17:38.13 | Maldivia | they felt sorry for him? |
| 17:38.41 | nerglish | What arguments is an addon passed by default? |
| 17:39.04 | alestane | The files in an add-on are passed two arguments. |
| 17:39.20 | alestane | The add-on name, and a single table which is passed to all files in the add-on. |
| 17:40.16 | nerglish | cool, thanks |
| 17:43.37 | Shirik | anyone know a vim trick to create a really long line? |
| 17:45.33 | Shirik | the only thing I can find is to keep doing v$ypb |
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| 17:46.44 | Maldivia | just combine a bunch of lines with J? |
| 17:50.03 | Maldivia | or v$y2000p2000J |
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| 17:51.26 | Shirik | I didn't know you could do 2000p |
| 17:52.26 | Maldivia | it's vim... you can do anything |
| 17:52.31 | Maldivia | ... and everything |
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| 17:59.38 | Arrowmaster | it feels good to get an early reply in on reddit, oh the karma |
| 18:01.02 | Maldivia | Shirik: btw, instead of v$y, yy is much simpler to yank a single line :P |
| 18:01.19 | Shirik | yeah except I was not trying to get the entire line |
| 18:01.42 | Shirik | There was a prefix before the massive text |
| 18:01.49 | Shirik | I guess I could have done the long part first, but I didn't |
| 18:02.01 | Maldivia | ah, ok |
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| 18:51.14 | TC-Work | is using the zend framework for the google api's worth it? |
| 18:53.04 | Fisker | you'll die someday so no |
| 18:54.52 | TC-Work | I <3 you too Fisker |
| 18:58.22 | zenzelezz | using it in what way? |
| 18:58.52 | TC-Work | as opposed to just installing the lib |
| 18:59.27 | zenzelezz | can't really say... I'm not familiar with Google's APIs. Only used ZF for websites |
| 19:00.27 | TC-Work | >.< just realized i was going to be doing it in python, not php |
| 19:00.52 | zenzelezz | hah |
| 19:01.00 | zenzelezz | yeah, then ZF is a bad choice ;) |
| 19:01.18 | TC-Work | yea, gogo not paying attention |
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| 19:16.12 | TC-Work | http://hint.fm/wind/ |
| 19:21.29 | Shirik | Interesting note: OMG windmills are huge |
| 19:21.39 | Maldivia | Shirik: go chase them :P |
| 19:21.41 | Shirik | if I go about 15 miles east the entire landscape is littered with them |
| 19:22.21 | Shirik | I also now realize why kansas has so many tornadoes |
| 19:22.31 | alestane | Because of all the windmills? |
| 19:22.41 | Shirik | no |
| 19:22.43 | Shirik | look at the map |
| 19:22.56 | Shirik | wind running into itself is probably not good |
| 19:23.04 | Shirik | though I guess that's closer to oklahoma |
| 19:23.37 | Maldivia | Shirik: http://www.kansasenergy.org/documents/WindProjects.pdf |
| 19:23.41 | alestane | There's an intriguing set of confluences there. |
| 19:24.30 | Shirik | what happens when a tornado hits a windmill? |
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| 19:25.39 | Shirik | google says this is what happens http://videosift.com/video/Windmill-Destroyed-By-Wind |
| 19:25.49 | Maldivia | Shirik: this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ |
| 19:26.27 | Shirik | same video |
| 19:26.27 | Shirik | nice |
| 19:27.35 | Maldivia | do you understand what they're saying then? |
| 19:27.54 | Shirik | I'm guessing it's on the lines of "oh shit" and "that was awesome" |
| 19:28.54 | Maldivia | more like "no no no", "ahh, there it went", "watch out for the debris" |
| 19:30.48 | kd3 | so, anyone with access to the beta ui... has anyone else actually seen the black market AH anywhere other than that reference in globalstrings? |
| 19:32.08 | Ressy | Could be they put it in to screw with everyone. :) |
| 19:38.27 | Maldivia | wouldn't be the first time |
| 19:43.16 | kd3 | yay; the mage portal room in sw is back |
| 19:44.15 | kd3 | though I get to relearn 6 ports now |
| 19:57.21 | Fisker | I saw the pet battle ui |
| 19:57.35 | Fisker | Jelly kd3 |
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| 19:57.35 | Fisker | ? |
| 19:58.18 | Torhal|work | So, Fisker. When exactly did you become the pet UI? |
| 19:58.24 | kd3 | meh |
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| 20:06.01 | TC-Work | working on a computer, looked to my left on theu sers wall and saw an academy award. Thats nifty. |
| 20:06.07 | TC-Work | the users* |
| 20:17.46 | Adys | Maldivia: http://i.imgur.com/BBzxv.jpg |
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| 20:18.55 | Maldivia | Adys: ok... :P |
| 20:19.01 | Maldivia | good for you ;) |
| 20:26.50 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 20:26.52 | Torhal|work | https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Safelink/home |
| 20:26.57 | Torhal|work | What. The. FUCK?!? |
| 20:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | What is wtf? |
| 20:28.18 | Torhal|work | That link. |
| 20:29.22 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 20:29.25 | bluspacecow | she runs away! |
| 20:30.55 | alestane | I don't know if the program is being well-implemented or is socially intentioned, but frequently when people are in need of aid, communication can be a very useful asset in getting back on your feet. You can keep in touch with prospective employers. |
| 20:40.56 | kd3 | okay, going invis is a bad idea |
| 20:42.40 | Maldivia | yeah, we still see you |
| 20:42.53 | kd3 | well, true. it also crashes beta |
| 20:49.11 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
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| 21:20.24 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 21:20.42 | bluspacecow | any new graphics related functions in the new beta diffs ? |
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| 21:22.55 | F16Gaming | converting large addons to use localization is going to take a while... over 200 strings :o |
| 21:23.01 | Ketho | bluspacecow: I don't see any |
| 21:23.40 | bluspacecow | kk ty |
| 21:23.54 | Kraps | really whats the point https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997 |
| 21:23.56 | bluspacecow | was wondering if it were possible to feed something to /dump to make it dump the graphics card name |
| 21:25.56 | Maldivia | I thought all script access was blocked |
| 21:26.03 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 21:26.12 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.17 | bluspacecow | just echoes it into chat |
| 21:26.22 | bluspacecow | IIRC on live it will spit tacks at you |
| 21:26.44 | bluspacecow | certain parts of /dump appear to work Maldivia |
| 21:29.55 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: enable lua errors? |
| 21:30.02 | Maldivia | and it'll probably have a hissy fit at you |
| 21:30.44 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 21:30.48 | bluspacecow | imma idiot |
| 21:30.53 | kd3 | lol "I once repaired a submarine using only a bronze tube and a luffa!\n\nGet me some of the waterlogged scraps along the shore by the ship." |
| 21:31.56 | bluspacecow | hey kd3 mind if i get a copy of the latest diffs for beta ? bluespacecow@gmail.com |
| 21:32.06 | kd3 | you're not already on the list? sec |
| 21:34.32 | Ketho | hey kd3, would you mind to also post the diffs on wowinterface? |
| 21:34.47 | Maldivia | kd3: hmm, you can put me on as well, I too lazy to do the diffs myself anymore :P |
| 21:34.58 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.03 | Maldivia | @gmail |
| 21:35.04 | kd3 | feel free to post it, ketho |
| 21:35.54 | Ketho | oh that's also fine then kd3 |
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| 21:46.20 | foxlit | I'd bother with the UI extracts, but (a) addons are disabled, and (b) there's no FrameXML.toc |
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| 22:12.00 | Ketho | you can find the FrameXML.toc if you dig inside locale-enUS.MPQ afaik |
| 22:12.38 | Torhal|work | Why are we digging into MPQs when you can "ExportInterfaceFiles code" from the console? |
| 22:13.22 | Ketho | because FrameXML.toc somehow is not included with ExportInterfaceFiles |
| 22:14.22 | Torhal|work | Because bluspacecow. |
| 22:14.28 | Torhal|work | nods sagely. |
| 22:14.37 | bluspacecow | because |
| 22:14.42 | bluspacecow | i can't get it working for beta |
| 22:14.47 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 22:18.29 | F16Gaming | anyone here good with localization? |
| 22:19.08 | cbreak | not blizzard |
| 22:19.14 | F16Gaming | :P |
| 22:19.18 | cbreak | the german item names are just terrible |
| 22:19.29 | F16Gaming | maybe they use google translate :D |
| 22:20.43 | kd3 | yay, gnomes being gnomes: "Woohoo! So fiery and destructive! That was an excellent explosion." |
| 22:21.24 | Stanzilla | best german item name: Sturmschürer, die Macht des Sturms des Feuersturms |
| 22:21.38 | cbreak | ... |
| 22:21.43 | F16Gaming | thunderfury? |
| 22:21.46 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 22:21.57 | kd3 | and wow, my first world server crash |
| 22:21.59 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowhead.com/item=68127 |
| 22:22.00 | kd3 | surprised it took this long |
| 22:25.59 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: that item name always reminds me of the Star Trek TNG episode Darmok :P |
| 22:26.11 | A-KO | fast internets |
| 22:26.12 | A-KO | I has them |
| 22:26.21 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/4lUge.png :D |
| 22:26.38 | Maldivia | you also have internet explorer... |
| 22:26.43 | bluspacecow | ewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 22:26.52 | A-KO | IE9 isn't bad :P |
| 22:27.17 | bluspacecow | is that via the normal http links or the secure https links ? |
| 22:29.20 | cbreak | A-KO: http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ |
| 22:30.52 | A-KO | normal |
| 22:31.01 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: a bit |
| 22:32.12 | Adys | Some of the lessons that Microsoft learned for others is that the staging tree is not designed for quick (massive) re-architecture/clean-up efforts, upstream developers do not care for company-specific product deadlines, and the developers need to be extremely responsive with the community. |
| 22:33.04 | Maldivia | ... and that took them what, 40 years to learn? |
| 22:34.13 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: the worst part is... I used to watch TNG in German, so when I think of the Darmok episode, I can recite all those wird phrases in German :) |
| 22:35.00 | Stanzilla | why did you watch it in german? |
| 22:35.32 | Maldivia | because it was a German TV stations showing TNG (Sat1 I think it was) |
| 22:37.03 | F16Gaming | so this works, but is it a good way to go about it? http://pastebin.com/fekbMDG6 |
| 22:37.16 | Maldivia | (and for some reason, it's "shaka, als die mauern fielen" I remember the best) |
| 22:37.58 | foxlit | personally, I gave up on bothering with localization |
| 22:38.23 | foxlit | I now use L = setmetatable(newproxy(true), {__call=function(_, s) return s end}) |
| 22:38.28 | F16Gaming | foxlit: not going to bother trying to add a lot of languages, but it's nice to have a central place to keep all your strings |
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| 22:39.52 | cbreak | that's internationalization |
| 22:40.00 | cbreak | the step before localization |
| 22:40.01 | foxlit | L"Totally localizable string" |
| 22:40.54 | foxlit | if someone ever bothers to do translation, the step inbetween the two, the latter is as easy as |
| 22:41.16 | foxlit | setmetatable(L, {__call=function(_, s) return locale[s] or s end}) |
| 22:41.57 | cbreak | or just make L a function |
| 22:42.18 | foxlit | that's more than two lines. |
| 22:43.17 | foxlit | and then you're tempted to write an entire API for it |
| 22:43.38 | foxlit | saving which locale the user wanted |
| 22:43.46 | foxlit | whining when there's no match in the current locale |
| 22:43.54 | A-KO | cbreak: http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/restore/id=43ca208a-26088-fc0f3b71-a77c-4fce-a127 |
| 22:43.56 | foxlit | complicated merging schemes |
| 22:44.17 | foxlit | API for switching locales at run time. |
| 22:44.35 | foxlit | and a whole lot of other junk. |
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| 22:46.44 | F16Gaming | foxlit: mainly have the run time switching so i can let users set their own locale (not necessarily supported by the client). (User = player interacting with whoever has addon installed) |
| 22:47.11 | foxlit | I might suggest solving it by splitting locales into separate addons |
| 22:47.47 | foxlit | Want Foobar in german? Install FoobarDE as well. |
| 22:47.51 | F16Gaming | the addon provides irc-style commands for WoW :P |
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| 22:48.26 | foxlit | doesn't wow provide irc-style commands for wow? |
| 22:48.41 | foxlit | or is that something else I'm thinking of. |
| 22:48.45 | F16Gaming | well, you can't send commands to other players, can you? |
| 22:48.57 | foxlit | okay, so not /kick and stuff. |
| 22:49.05 | F16Gaming | ./w <player> !commands --> <player> sends back list of commands. |
| 22:50.07 | F16Gaming | slightly out of date list: https://github.com/F16Gaming/Command/wiki/Commands |
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| 23:09.20 | Mr_Rabies | so does MoP beta have battletag support yet? :O |
| 23:09.26 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 23:09.33 | bluspacecow | anyone got a Live/PTR ui diffs ? |
| 23:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | there's a PTR running too? |
| 23:10.07 | Mr_Rabies | madness! |
| 23:10.24 | kd3 | I could make one? it'll have to be later, I'm stepping out from the keyboard for a few |
| 23:10.48 | bluspacecow | oks |
| 23:11.02 | bluspacecow | i can wait |
| 23:11.31 | bluspacecow | afaik I can see just a few interface related changes |
| 23:13.19 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/interface%20folder%20from%204.3.4%20build%2015499.zip only folder from the MPQs file that's not the normal signature . list files and back up of the client programs/ |
| 23:13.30 | bluspacecow | fyi |
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| 23:51.53 | TC-Work | not that i want to try, but what happens if you do symlink recursion? |
| 23:52.48 | F16Gaming | xkcd? |
| 23:54.26 | foxlit | TC-Work: nothing |
| 23:54.47 | foxlit | at least with soft links |
| 23:55.47 | F16Gaming | http://xkcd.com/981/ :3 |
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