| 00:00.23 | Lunessa | Or a key that was added to their tables to support the tag and are generated based on personal data. |
| 00:02.12 | sintAcks | OR, they are sequential |
| 00:13.54 | Cide | sequential how |
| 00:14.22 | Cide | I doubt either 446 or 1446 people grabbed the "Cide" battle tag before I did |
| 00:18.37 | kd3 | I assume they loop from 1000 to 9999, and every time someone takes a tag that number gets appended to their id after checking that that id doesn't already exist? |
| 00:19.15 | Cide | probably |
| 00:19.23 | Cide | but that's not very sequential in the global sense |
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| 00:27.11 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 00:27.16 | Shirik | "Robert P. Stiller, founder and chairman of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Inc. (GMCR), sold $66.3 million of his stock before it plunged the most in four months on news that Starbucks Corp. (SBUX) had developed a rival to its K-Cup brewer." |
| 00:31.32 | A-KO | oops |
| 00:31.33 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:36.18 | Lunessa | So, the implication is that there's some sort of insider trading going on there. Are there any corroborating facts? |
| 00:38.43 | Dagmar | So... bad tasting *and* incredibly overpriced. What's not to like? |
| 00:39.10 | Lunessa | I don't like coffee anyway, so I am no real judge. |
| 00:47.24 | kd3 | the fu--- sonic 4 episode 1? |
| 00:48.48 | Dagmar | looks like they've finally decided to kill that francise then. |
| 00:48.55 | Dagmar | Once they do EP2 they're done. |
| 01:24.58 | karl_w_w | ahh I remember the heady days of sonics 2 and 3 |
| 01:31.42 | karl_w_w | so i guess they've decided to stress test dota 2 |
| 01:32.00 | karl_w_w | seeing as i got an invite a few days ago and now I have 2 copies to give away |
| 01:43.00 | tardmrr | so I got an email today that I got a free month of curse premium |
| 01:43.07 | tardmrr | anyone got any idea what that's about? |
| 01:43.42 | Dagmar | Free stuff from .in websites, of course |
| 01:44.22 | kd3 | grr... how do I tell chrome to open tabs in the background? |
| 01:48.00 | pompy | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bblhflcbilbefagmeoanbdiofmmnehda# |
| 01:49.47 | kd3 | ...it takes an extension to do that? |
| 01:51.44 | pompy | kd3: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/M_qQKxSNmCI |
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| 02:24.02 | TC-Work | kd3: to be fair it takes an extention to do most of the tab related things i want in FF |
| 02:37.14 | Lunessa | NSFW; but HILARIOUS - http://vimeo.com/35938209 |
| 02:42.47 | Kaylin | argh but I am in a public place I will have to resist seeing what is so funny for 2 entire hours |
| 02:43.07 | Lunessa | I think my work here is done. |
| 02:43.58 | Kaylin | what if it's not really nsfw what if you're just messing with us O.O |
| 02:44.05 | Corrodias | only the audio is |
| 02:44.22 | Kaylin | promise? bc i am not using speakers |
| 02:44.28 | Corrodias | yes |
| 02:44.35 | Lunessa | The audio is full of words you don't want to share any place that might possibly be sensitive to content. |
| 02:44.41 | Corrodias | it's just 2 normal people talking on a street. |
| 02:44.47 | Kaylin | ah |
| 02:51.56 | pompy | wtf http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116503-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Player |
| 02:55.44 | karl_w_w | wtf is CCP? |
| 02:55.58 | Xyphoid | the company behind Eve |
| 02:56.12 | karl_w_w | right |
| 02:56.18 | karl_w_w | would be nice if they mentioned that |
| 03:02.44 | durcyn | karl_w_w: http://www.google.com/search?q=ccp |
| 03:03.06 | Kaylin | or better, guess from the article's context |
| 03:03.35 | BlackNet | seriously wtf |
| 03:03.39 | BlackNet | sharing contact info? |
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| 03:05.48 | nilyaK | oh wait CSM this doesn't shock me at all |
| 03:05.51 | nilyaK | these people are trolls |
| 03:06.03 | nilyaK | the leader of goonfleet is one of the members iirc |
| 03:06.07 | BlackNet | obviously for making a presentation like that. |
| 03:06.16 | BlackNet | sounds more like shock advertisment |
| 03:06.39 | nilyaK | I blame goons |
| 03:07.18 | durcyn | also, the escapist's site is a pile of shit, that is all |
| 03:07.24 | nilyaK | they're SA members that play eve in a null sec "clan" corp in eve that basically exist to break eve mechanics screw with the economy and grief players in every way possible for maximum hilarity. |
| 03:08.00 | BlackNet | and what is the companies goal in doing this with a group? |
| 03:08.30 | Xyphoid | http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ has more info |
| 03:08.31 | nilyaK | get feedback about game direction and features they would like to see from an elected body formed by the player base |
| 03:08.41 | Xyphoid | and yeah, it was the mittani who did this |
| 03:08.50 | Xyphoid | the goon spymaster |
| 03:09.07 | nilyaK | unfortunately if most of your player base is trolls, they'll elect trolls to their panel, and those people basically encourage extreme world pvp among other things |
| 03:09.55 | BlackNet | it was marked by something more distressing than the usual political ego-buffing and mass consumption of alcohol. <<-- ugh |
| 03:09.57 | nilyaK | ie blowing up people who wish to do pve content in supposedly secure zones |
| 03:10.03 | nilyaK | mittens |
| 03:10.03 | BlackNet | sounds like that shit shoudl be droped quickly |
| 03:10.05 | nilyaK | ! |
| 03:10.28 | nilyaK | mittens is a jerk tbh |
| 03:10.40 | BlackNet | even their name sounds like a troll |
| 03:10.52 | nilyaK | mittani = mittens |
| 03:10.52 | BlackNet | GoonSwarm alliance speaker and second-time CSM chairman Alexander "The Mittani" Gianturco |
| 03:11.48 | nilyaK | I'm not shocked at all. |
| 03:12.57 | BlackNet | so how much of that shit goes on at blizzcon |
| 03:13.00 | durcyn | eve is where mud griefers went when they grew up |
| 03:13.31 | Kaylin | CCP considers almost all forms of griefing as in-character interaction and will not do anything about it. |
| 03:13.40 | BlackNet | i came from vendetta online. had some very good skilled people there and not many trolls |
| 03:13.49 | Kaylin | basically this is an RPG and people are RPing assholes and con-artists, so what. |
| 03:14.04 | Xyphoid | i kind of appreciate eve for being a space where you can do that |
| 03:14.05 | BlackNet | rpg to most means troll |
| 03:14.09 | BlackNet | due to lack of skill |
| 03:14.45 | Kaylin | not really, plenty of jerks are also quite skilled |
| 03:14.48 | Xyphoid | the game has enough of a reputation by now that surely you know what you're getting into |
| 03:14.58 | Kaylin | I |
| 03:15.07 | Kaylin | 'd hope so @ xyphoid |
| 03:15.11 | Xyphoid | i started eve a month or so ago and i'm quite enjoying the mad paranoia |
| 03:15.31 | Kaylin | oh I enjoy hearing about it too, it's just a different style of game really |
| 03:16.04 | Kaylin | and, this doesn't mean f~ goons. |
| 03:16.15 | Kaylin | (but it doesn't not mean that either) |
| 03:16.43 | BlackNet | so |
| 03:16.58 | Kaylin | though I feel there's a difference between being an in-game jerk to people and actually wishing harm on another person, that's going too far. |
| 03:17.01 | BlackNet | ever thing an mmo will have any type of setup to help ppl gain skill? |
| 03:17.10 | A-KO | no |
| 03:17.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, the sort of people that the game caters to mean it's not the game I want to be playing. |
| 03:17.18 | A-KO | they tried that with Fallen Earth |
| 03:17.19 | A-KO | it didn't work |
| 03:17.26 | Kaylin | no, skill isn't fun, dicking around is fun |
| 03:18.02 | Kaylin | if I had to actually be good at playing my rogue I don't think I'd have any fun at all I think I'd be stressed out, maybe I'm weird. |
| 03:18.12 | Kaylin | I happen to be OK at rogues, but that's not really the point |
| 03:19.17 | Kaylin | also how would I listen to my nextdoor neighbor screen at "f~ing terribles" at 2AM playing LoL |
| 03:19.19 | A-KO | there are different measurements of skill when it comes to an MMORPG. Some of that is how well you build your character, others is how well you react to your surroundings and the environment. And in many cases, it's merely not having a good make-up or build. |
| 03:20.06 | Lunessa | I had a friend quit WoW after 3 weeks because people in a lowbie dungeon group were mad at her for not being super awesome warlock and racing through to the end. Her comment was "holy crap, people are fcuking vicious." |
| 03:20.09 | A-KO | two reasonably matched teams against each other with one build more optimal against the other will always generally slant itself to that build. |
| 03:21.01 | Xyphoid | i'm impressed people even noticed |
| 03:21.01 | Kaylin | right but I want to max warmth on my sorc, that's how I play why should I care that I'm not doing max DPS |
| 03:21.31 | Lunessa | She was having trouble making a the "jump" in BFD. |
| 03:21.40 | Xyphoid | most dungeons i did last time i levelled, you wouldn't notice being down one dps because lowbie characters are much more powerful these days |
| 03:21.55 | Lunessa | And I was trying to show her how to do it. I was the tank. |
| 03:22.02 | A-KO | Kaylin: It comes down to limited builds, really. But every game suffers from the issue. Even SP games. Skyrim favors melee characters heavily while severely neutering spellcasters unless you go with a very specific build of max level enchanting in order to get 0% mana usage on spells. |
| 03:22.08 | Kaylin | and they kicked her like a jerk |
| 03:23.05 | Kaylin | the thing is in D2 they're wrong, my character is unkillable PvE, people thought I was hacking today because I afk'd hell ancients, course this is a different game =/ |
| 03:23.13 | Lunessa | They said some pretty reportable stuff in party chat and called me an asshole for trying to help instead of just finishing the dungeon. |
| 03:23.34 | Kaylin | yup =/ |
| 03:24.01 | A-KO | Lunessa: it happens. But I partially blame Blizzard for that. There was a time when the game didn't favor 10 minute dungeon runs and actually took teamwork. Nowadays it's not. The random party situation makes it even easier, you just kick the bad player because it takes 2 minutes to find another, especially DPS. |
| 03:24.02 | Lunessa | I <3 random people. I <3 them with so much <3 that it gets blood on my face. |
| 03:24.09 | A-KO | that said |
| 03:24.14 | A-KO | many people complained about 4 hour dungeon runs |
| 03:24.19 | A-KO | and not being able to find a DPS player |
| 03:24.22 | A-KO | for 4 hours |
| 03:24.29 | BlackNet | lol |
| 03:24.40 | A-KO | LBRS took a good 4-5 hours on a good run |
| 03:24.41 | BlackNet | i just startled several alliance players in TB |
| 03:24.49 | Xyphoid | i just wish there were both kinds of dungeon |
| 03:24.52 | BlackNet | was by tank's area underwater on my seahorse mount |
| 03:25.04 | BlackNet | they were goign wtf and following me |
| 03:25.09 | Jammer | LBRS 4-5 hours... seriously? :P |
| 03:25.13 | Xyphoid | like, have your 15 minute heroics with lfd, and also the long version |
| 03:25.17 | A-KO | Jammer: yes? |
| 03:25.18 | BlackNet | like they have never seen a seahorse mount before |
| 03:25.19 | Lunessa | A-KO: People forget that some folks haven't been playing forever and aren't on their 30th at |
| 03:25.33 | A-KO | Jammer: there was a time when 45 minutes to complete Stratholme undead side was an achievement |
| 03:25.38 | Xyphoid | don't forget what the wipe recovery time for lbrs used to be like |
| 03:25.56 | A-KO | a hardcore, top of the notch, you outgeared the dungeon by a few raids, achievement |
| 03:25.58 | TC-Work | oh wipes, how i dont miss you. |
| 03:26.12 | Lunessa | Jammer: Things were not always as easy and as fast as they are now. |
| 03:26.16 | Jammer | 1h seems still reasonable time for a dungeon but more than that seems bit too long |
| 03:26.23 | A-KO | Lunessa: again, not really theri fault. Blizzard implemented the system that allows people to simply have no tolerance for bad players and to help them improve. DPS is easily replaced with LFG. |
| 03:26.23 | Xyphoid | you know i levelled a hunter 1-85 mostly through dungeons and did lfr a few times |
| 03:26.34 | Xyphoid | 0 wipes |
| 03:26.39 | Lunessa | A-KO: *nod* |
| 03:26.42 | Xyphoid | it was crazy |
| 03:26.58 | A-KO | Jammer: 4-5 hours for LBRS was pretty much it. Onyxia runs on horde side for getting keyed took many, many hours. |
| 03:27.00 | Dagmar | I don't blame Blizzard. |
| 03:27.02 | Dagmar | I blame the parents. |
| 03:27.07 | A-KO | I blame Blizzard :P |
| 03:27.09 | Dagmar | Beat your kids. |
| 03:27.24 | Dagmar | There's a difference between "allows" and "encourages" |
| 03:27.27 | TC-Work | I'll beat your kids Dagmar |
| 03:27.31 | Dagmar | All this dickery is pure player-generated |
| 03:27.33 | A-KO | Dagmar: THey encourage it |
| 03:27.41 | Dagmar | TC-Work: If I have kids, I'll beat them. |
| 03:27.44 | Lunessa | I blame everyone. The universe is a terrible, flawed, hellish place… only I am a beacon of light, hope and understanding… And I will skull-fuck you in PVP. |
| 03:27.46 | A-KO | Blizzard encourages the behavior by providing the players mechanisms to have 0 tolerance. |
| 03:28.05 | Dagmar | A-KO: There's a difference between encouraging it, and allowing it |
| 03:28.19 | TC-Work | I hope you never have kids then Dagmar |
| 03:28.22 | Dagmar | Just because you can get through the thing faster if you zerg like mad and don't speak to anyone is _not_ "encouraging" it |
| 03:28.50 | Dagmar | That's like saying that cops are encouraging speeders because they don't just shoot out tires when they see people speeding |
| 03:29.06 | Xyphoid | i'd kind of like the challenge system to be the thing you do if you have 15 minutes free instead of a heroic |
| 03:29.31 | Dagmar | A-KO: That's not encouraging anything |
| 03:29.47 | Dagmar | Just because players are _dicks_ doesn't mean it's Blizzard's fault |
| 03:29.49 | A-KO | Dagmar: I don't see much of a difference there. By making it significantly easier to replace someone for merely turning the wrong way in a dungeon promotes the players to act like dicks. It's a natural order of things. It's not kids, it's not teens, it's adults and everyone. Young adults, older adults, etc. Hell, even I have been known to boot players for merely taking too long to use the |
| 03:29.49 | A-KO | bathroom. |
| 03:30.07 | A-KO | WHat you need to accept is that people are dicks in general |
| 03:30.10 | A-KO | there's no changing that |
| 03:30.14 | Dagmar | Since when does it become "significantly easier" when someone goes the wrong way? |
| 03:30.35 | Dagmar | No, most people actually _aren't_ dicks. |
| 03:30.48 | Dagmar | If they were, I'd be in a lot more street fights. |
| 03:30.56 | Kaylin | disagree |
| 03:31.06 | A-KO | Dagmar: By allowing you to replace players via cross-server lfg it is easier to find a better player than it is to help said player become better. In the interests of getting 15 minute runs and the expectation of said runs, people do not tolerate even 30 minute runs, etc. |
| 03:31.32 | A-KO | when people tolerated 4 hour runs, the ytolerated bad players more. |
| 03:31.35 | Dagmar | You've changed your argument again |
| 03:31.37 | A-KO | you dealt with it |
| 03:31.40 | A-KO | I have not |
| 03:31.44 | Dagmar | Yes, you have. |
| 03:31.54 | A-KO | I'm saying blizzard's systems of making it easier to replace someone encourages those players to be dicks |
| 03:31.55 | Dagmar | I asked you what someone turning the wrong way has to do with anything |
| 03:32.05 | Dagmar | It's not encouraging them. |
| 03:32.06 | Kaylin | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 |
| 03:32.07 | Kaylin | I think the fact that it's in-person keeps you out of street fights, not the fact that people aren't dicks. |
| 03:32.08 | Dagmar | They |
| 03:32.15 | Dagmar | They're _allowed_ to be dicks. |
| 03:32.18 | Dagmar | There's a difference. |
| 03:32.23 | Kaylin | and I'm saying they're dicks naturally, the system allows them to show their inner asshole-ish qualities |
| 03:32.23 | A-KO | I was using that as an example of the stupid myriad of reasons why someone would be kicked from a group. |
| 03:32.30 | Xyphoid | it's going to be interesting how guild perks play out in the future - quality of life just for joining a level 25 guild is so huge, so you seem to have a few all-invite guilds per server for you to level in and then people bail for somewhere else |
| 03:32.45 | Dagmar | Kaylin: No, I pretty much run around in a leather jacket most days. I don't back down. |
| 03:32.45 | Xyphoid | but it does mean the cost of starting a new guild is huge |
| 03:33.08 | Kaylin | Dagmar Yes, and you just said so, the in person thing makes people less likely to be dicks |
| 03:33.15 | Dagmar | I agree with Kaylin, and there's miles of difference between "encouraging" and "allowing" |
| 03:33.36 | Dagmar | So, Blizzard is to blame because people don't know each other |
| 03:33.48 | durcyn | they're the same thing as far as Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory goes |
| 03:33.54 | Dagmar | Don't heap the blame on blizzard because parents didn't beat civility into their childre |
| 03:34.09 | A-KO | Dagmar: I'm not sure where you live but where I live everyone is pretty much a dick in all aspects of life. The Internet just allows people to portray it easier. |
| 03:34.22 | durcyn | anonymity breeds contempt, etc |
| 03:34.30 | A-KO | In fact, the older people are even bigger dicks than the younger ones |
| 03:34.31 | Lunessa | Dagmar walks the walk. I expect he has half of a pool cue in his sleeve. |
| 03:34.39 | Kaylin | partially yes @ dagmar, they could work better to match people with the sorts of persons they want to play with, so eventually we'd have one large ball of asshole elitist players that only get grouped with eachother, have a miserable time because somebody fat-fingers an ability, and all quit wow. |
| 03:34.42 | Kaylin | God that'd be awesome |
| 03:34.44 | BlackNet | i dunno about that |
| 03:34.46 | Dagmar | I live in Nashville, which has plenty of dicks, but people don't generally go straight to complete-cocktard without an actual reason |
| 03:34.47 | Kaylin | except for blizzard, they'd use subs |
| 03:34.54 | BlackNet | ppl in their 20ish are quite bad at that |
| 03:35.04 | BlackNet | why they call it the anger years |
| 03:35.07 | A-KO | Kaylin: DOTA 2 is an attempt by Valve to encourage helpful behavior of its elite players. It will be interesting if the experiment works. |
| 03:35.09 | Kaylin | lose* |
| 03:35.14 | A-KO | WoW would do well to learn from it, if it succeeds. |
| 03:35.21 | Dagmar | I would _dearly_ love it if they'd heap the zerglings together |
| 03:35.33 | durcyn | A-KO: it's already succeeded, the tf2 coaching system was the prototype |
| 03:36.14 | Dagmar | It's been awhile since I've misdirected onto a healer, but I did it on Thursday |
| 03:37.02 | Lunessa | Heh, the other night I BOP'ed myself on the Shannox fight. Pretty hilarious. |
| 03:37.08 | BlackNet | why did you do that |
| 03:37.19 | BlackNet | i bop tanks all the time when im in LFR |
| 03:37.22 | BlackNet | i go in as ret :) |
| 03:37.31 | BlackNet | bop and hand of salvation |
| 03:37.34 | Dagmar | He deliberately killed the tank with zero heals at the start of a fight, because he'd bee bitching about the tank being slow (the tank was wearing 381 and beating some ass) |
| 03:37.47 | Kaylin | I tanked uh, what was it, warlord w/e boss 5 in LFR |
| 03:37.56 | Kaylin | as a rogue, bc the tanks couldn't hold threat |
| 03:38.03 | Kaylin | it was very sad |
| 03:38.26 | BlackNet | nothing more fulfilling than tossing hand of sal on a dk tank and watching the raid boss go nuts |
| 03:38.27 | Dagmar | A true shame that only the loudmouthed druid didn't have some kind of threat drop |
| 03:38.34 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 03:39.03 | Lunessa | I'm leveling a DK tank right now. did some LFR; healer says "pull as much as you want, I can take it!" So I did. He couldn't. |
| 03:39.03 | Dagmar | There's fun to be had with that tentacle trash in the first half of Dragon Soul |
| 03:39.15 | Dagmar | Distraction Shot... *WHACK* |
| 03:39.16 | BlackNet | had one tank in there with me last week. was in there as tank. he was all green so i let him main tank and i just did more observation and helped him greatly |
| 03:39.27 | BlackNet | oh on the ooze boss. |
| 03:39.38 | BlackNet | one tank plants the other drags. |
| 03:39.56 | Dagmar | Yeah but if the thing can't reach it's target it seems to just punt someone |
| 03:40.00 | Lunessa | ok, time to go. Ciao tutti. |
| 03:40.01 | BlackNet | 4 trash in a group, once the 2nd goes down get the next group. it's a big hefty chain pull with non-stop dps |
| 03:40.22 | BlackNet | just run out, hit one and run back to the group. simple easy |
| 03:40.36 | Kaylin | tricks, fok all the things, vanish |
| 03:40.39 | Dagmar | Yeah but Distracting Shot is not so easy to see. :) |
| 03:40.41 | BlackNet | Dagmar iv eseen many raid groups wipe on that trash |
| 03:40.54 | BlackNet | distracting shot shows up as a taunt |
| 03:40.59 | BlackNet | bop/hand of salv does not |
| 03:41.02 | Dagmar | We're nowhere near wiping on that anymore, but it's still fun |
| 03:41.12 | BlackNet | yea it's loads of fun |
| 03:42.39 | BlackNet | lol and ppl still ask me how i can use that mount outside of AQ |
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| 03:44.50 | BlackNet | this green tank i was in lfr with had taunts in his main rotation |
| 03:48.06 | TC-Work | i need to start timing these tarball expansions....they can take a rather long time |
| 03:50.46 | TC-Work | anyone know if there are any downsides to installing python 2/3 concurrently? |
| 03:53.59 | Dagmar | Having to set envvars is unpleasant |
| 03:54.05 | Dagmar | that's about it |
| 03:54.17 | durcyn | or use a package manager that slots things correctly |
| 03:54.24 | Dagmar | Provided your distro packager was smart enough to put them in separate prefixes you're good |
| 03:54.30 | TC-Work | it is not happening |
| 03:54.42 | TC-Work | not till i get to cent 6 |
| 03:54.51 | Dagmar | Just compile it to a local directory then |
| 03:55.01 | Dagmar | I had to do that at work for some jacked up excuse for an sshd |
| 03:56.32 | Wobin | I hate that tentacle trash |
| 03:56.42 | Wobin | "Oh god, EVERYONE IS DYING" |
| 03:57.51 | Dagmar | The black phase is murder the first few times |
| 03:57.57 | Dagmar | It's a bitch on healers |
| 03:58.41 | Dagmar | The trash is mainly just a matter of sending a couple tanks up to play ping pong while you focus fire |
| 03:59.24 | Dagmar | Goddamn Warmaster Blackthorn will make you want to quit your guild the first few goes |
| 04:00.15 | Dagmar | ...but you know, if it makes the rogues feel inferior, it's all good. :) |
| 04:00.20 | Wobin | and we'd always get the mana void one when I didn't need it =\ |
| 04:00.31 | Dagmar | I finally made a macro for that |
| 04:00.41 | Dagmar | Made some other rangy people use it |
| 04:01.14 | Dagmar | "No, don't try and click on it, just smack the targeting macro and if you're still casting, you're facing close enough" |
| 04:01.33 | Dagmar | It's a freaking Camera Challenge for some people |
| 04:02.14 | kd3 | making rogues feel inferior? yay rogue inferiority |
| 04:02.26 | Dagmar | Well, how are they going to hit the drakes? |
| 04:02.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFW2ZlyVXEw&ob=av3e why so catchy? |
| 04:02.52 | Dagmar | It took us awhile but we finally clued in to why it was counting the drakes. :) |
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| 04:03.19 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3Utn4mjeg < this dude has a voice, damn |
| 04:04.04 | Dagmar | Apparently someone's been feeding him opera singers |
| 04:04.22 | A-KO | definitely |
| 04:04.32 | A-KO | he ate Pavarotti |
| 04:04.36 | Dagmar | "When someone would say something to me... it would just kinda take a little piece out of me." |
| 04:04.39 | Dagmar | rofllol |
| 04:04.42 | A-KO | dude just opens his mouth and an opera singer sings through his stomach |
| 04:04.58 | Dagmar | He's a great singer but that verbiage is bad |
| 04:05.55 | A-KO | I'm sure he'll improve over time |
| 04:06.04 | A-KO | depends on the training, I'm sure lots of options are opened now. |
| 04:06.14 | A-KO | essentially, I'm sure top places will pay HIM to train him |
| 04:12.23 | karl_w_w | <Kaylin> or better, guess from the article's context <- I did guess, and guessed it was some kind of super secret gaming ethics enforcement group |
| 04:12.50 | karl_w_w | that's why they would investigate |
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| 04:25.38 | vithos | Dagmar... rogues should be top dps on blackhorn |
| 04:26.15 | vithos | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/iksup8bzmgk77l80/sum/damageDone/?s=1109&e=1474 |
| 04:33.29 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/humor/terrorist-poster.jpg.html |
| 04:37.14 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 04:37.20 | Shirik | the following command works while I'm at work: |
| 04:37.24 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono>shutdown /m \\buildagent6 /r /t 5 /d u:4:5 |
| 04:37.24 | Shirik | buildagent6: Access is denied.(5) |
| 04:37.30 | Shirik | but at home on VPN I get that |
| 04:37.32 | Shirik | how can I fix |
| 04:37.48 | TC-Work | domain? |
| 04:37.54 | BlackNet | vpn permissions |
| 04:38.11 | BlackNet | there's a group policy to say forbid remote shitdown |
| 04:38.14 | BlackNet | shutdown even |
| 04:39.06 | Shirik | I imagine the problem is I am not the correct user while at home |
| 04:39.09 | Shirik | but how can I log in as that user |
| 04:39.49 | BlackNet | put the right password/username in :) |
| 04:40.44 | Shirik | .. |
| 04:40.52 | Shirik | this is my home computer, I can't just "log in" |
| 04:41.26 | TC-Work | no, but you can send it |
| 04:41.28 | BlackNet | :) you dont have a login on your home computer? :) |
| 04:41.51 | Shirik | staples BlackNet's mouth shut |
| 04:42.19 | BlackNet | even home edition has a login of some form |
| 04:42.43 | pompy | yeah but password is optional! |
| 04:43.00 | BlackNet | true that. |
| 04:44.45 | BlackNet | looks like my ammo will ship tomorrow or thursday |
| 04:47.04 | pompy | cogwheel: wtfz! |
| 04:48.16 | TC-Work | Shirik: try something like runas /user:<foo>\<bar> "<command>" |
| 04:48.45 | TC-Work | Shirik: try something like runas /user:<domain>\<user> "<command>" |
| 04:50.11 | TC-Work | nvm, that wont work |
| 04:50.46 | BlackNet | sysinterals will prob do the job |
| 04:51.42 | BlackNet | what vpn client you using |
| 04:52.38 | Shirik | I fail to see why that should matter, but I use the built-in windows VPN solution |
| 04:53.14 | pompy | remnote desktop sharing or whatever? |
| 04:53.27 | Shirik | that would work if my work computer were on |
| 04:54.57 | pompy | didnt realize it had a built in vpn |
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| 05:02.39 | Cide | Shirik could so have done another attempt |
| 05:02.56 | Shirik | negative |
| 05:02.58 | Shirik | I am cooking |
| 05:03.03 | Cide | oh my |
| 05:04.03 | BlackNet | now there's a thought. replace my wow subscription with range time at the gunshop :) |
| 05:04.24 | Cide | fuck that? |
| 05:05.07 | BlackNet | ? what |
| 05:11.22 | Shirik | o.O |
| 05:11.25 | Shirik | Error 139 (net::ERR_TEMPORARILY_THROTTLED): Requests to the server have been temporarily throttled. |
| 05:13.33 | Cide | chrome does that on 500 errors I think |
| 05:13.36 | Cide | if you refresh too much |
| 05:13.49 | Cide | I think it lists a way to turn it off though? |
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| 05:36.03 | Fisker | i'm so sick Cide |
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| 05:43.22 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.57 | Thunder_Child | also, fuck you free node for "Unknown command SADNESS." |
| 05:44.01 | Thunder_Child | freenode* |
| 05:44.09 | Fisker | umad Thunder_Child ? |
| 05:44.30 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: does annoyed count? |
| 05:44.36 | Fisker | yes |
| 05:44.40 | Thunder_Child | then yes |
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| 07:22.50 | Maldivia | morning |
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| 08:51.09 | Iriz | So tell me, when using Button:SetNormalTexture("Interface\\Buttons\\UI-DialogBox-Button-Up.blp"); (Example) why is the texture not stretched over the entire buttonframe? i.e if the button is 25x25 large, the actualy frame will sometimes just be 20x20 |
| 08:51.43 | Iriz | the actual texture will* |
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| 11:15.00 | Maldivia | ... crazy Austrians.... http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-austria-foot-idINBRE82P0M920120326 |
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| 12:32.12 | karl_w_w | Iriz: because you need to set points? |
| 12:32.38 | karl_w_w | Maldivia: that's insanity |
| 12:32.45 | karl_w_w | at least, I hope it is |
| 12:33.10 | zenzio | come on now, we've all had days where we wake up thinking "I'd rather lose my foot than go to work today" |
| 12:33.32 | Iriz | karl_w_w: Well yea, but how do I set the points? |
| 12:33.53 | karl_w_w | !api setpoint |
| 12:33.53 | lua_bot | Region:SetPoint: Sets an anchor point for the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint) |
| 12:33.57 | karl_w_w | !api setallpoints |
| 12:33.57 | lua_bot | Region:SetAllPoints: Sets all anchor points of the region to match those of another region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetAllPoints) |
| 12:36.43 | Iriz | karl_w_w: Take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/VTguyFqJ |
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| 12:42.30 | bluworkcow | za wa boogie |
| 12:42.52 | Iriz | karl_w_w: I thought SetAllPoints would be for 'Texture = Button:CreateTexture()' etc? I'm not using CreateTexture, but rather assigned the texture directly to box1 |
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| 12:53.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: you used/know about linux mint? |
| 12:53.17 | Adys | im just reading about it and people are touting it as extremely newbie-friendly |
| 12:53.21 | zenzio | ohai Lopeppeppy |
| 12:53.21 | Adys | I'm intrigued |
| 12:53.29 | zenzio | Adys: colleagues of mine used it |
| 12:53.40 | zenzio | they got used to linux (through it), then moved on to plain Ubuntu |
| 12:53.47 | Adys | zenzio: do you know what makes it newbie-friendly? specifically, friendlier than ubuntu? |
| 12:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:54.30 | zenzio | not specifically. I got the impression that they dumbed down dialogs and such, but I didn't try it myself |
| 12:54.40 | bluworkcow | \o peppy |
| 12:54.44 | zenzio | all I really know is when they got used to linux, they didn't feel like sticking to Mint |
| 12:55.27 | Adys | now im really intrigued |
| 12:55.27 | Fisker | how silly Maldivia |
| 12:55.39 | Fisker | all he should've done is pretend he wanted to saw it off |
| 12:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi there, bluworkcow. |
| 12:55.45 | Fisker | and he would be mentally unfit for work! |
| 12:57.58 | Fisker | btw bluworkcow |
| 12:58.03 | Fisker | we 1up'd a guy in logic |
| 12:58.06 | Fisker | it was bam |
| 12:58.12 | zenzio | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/03/26/1814257/japanese-court-orders-google-to-turn-off-auto-complete-function |
| 12:58.14 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 12:58.33 | Fisker | he whined about the annual pass wording of the advertisement |
| 12:58.56 | Fisker | and said if he says that he is going to eat dinner when he gets home then he will get to eat dinner as soon as it's cooked |
| 12:59.05 | Fisker | lolol |
| 13:00.16 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3553597569?page=1#15 |
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| 13:07.05 | Wobin | I'm just impressed that Blizzard has managed to get such a large number of players to -pay- them to do the beta testing for them |
| 13:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, but what the players are really doing is load testing, and getting... what else do AP accounts get, besides beta access to stand on a mailbox and bitch? |
| 13:12.43 | Adys | This gsoc student wants to integrate OCR into wine to test whether fonts are displaying correctly. Am i the only one seeing the issue in this? |
| 13:13.09 | AcidWeb | Sound usless. |
| 13:13.31 | durcyn | if he invents non-crap OCR software in the process, he'll make a million bucks |
| 13:13.43 | nevcairiel | ocr of properly rendered texts is easy |
| 13:14.01 | Adys | erm |
| 13:14.04 | nevcairiel | just, the hard to read kind is the problem :P |
| 13:14.13 | Adys | you guys realize ocr is lossy by definition |
| 13:14.35 | nevcairiel | of course it is, it converts an image into some ascii characters |
| 13:15.02 | Adys | this is like function assertEquals(x, y) return (x - 5 < x < x + 5) |
| 13:15.27 | bluworkcow | !_! imma rabbit! |
| 13:15.36 | bluworkcow | \_\ |
| 13:15.39 | nevcairiel | you're a blue cow, not a rabbit |
| 13:15.43 | bluworkcow | :( |
| 13:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | You're getting ready for Easter? |
| 13:16.01 | bluworkcow | yep |
| 13:16.02 | Adys | Fisker: it's shit like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/reioy/7_years_of_youtube_scalability_lessons_in_30/c45ffs6?context=3 |
| 13:16.04 | bluworkcow | *hops* |
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| 13:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | You're a funny lookin' bunny. |
| 13:21.27 | bluworkcow | lololol |
| 13:23.25 | Adys | hey |
| 13:23.27 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: |
| 13:23.31 | Adys | Fight THIS. http://i.imgur.com/iRF1Z.jpg |
| 13:24.04 | karl_w_w | Fisker are you a fanboi? |
| 13:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, that was a low blow. |
| 13:24.49 | Adys | I know. |
| 13:24.54 | Adys | I fight dirty |
| 13:25.33 | bluworkcow | noes |
| 13:25.37 | bluworkcow | not the box of kittens |
| 13:29.55 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/rfltn/iama_suicide_helpline_operator_ama/c45fox2?context=2 |
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| 13:33.18 | bluworkcow | lololol |
| 13:33.26 | bluworkcow | watching the end of dr who season 4 |
| 13:33.35 | bluworkcow | and the daleks all like "u mad?" |
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| 13:35.35 | Maldivia | ok - pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wBxf-NIbbI |
| 13:37.34 | Wobin | cool |
| 13:37.45 | Wobin | but what did it have to do with the phone? |
| 13:39.16 | Maldivia | do you remember the PS2 and PS3 commercials? Did they have anything at all to do with gaming consoles?? |
| 13:39.43 | foxlit | did you buy a PS3 because of their commercials? |
| 13:39.48 | Maldivia | no |
| 13:39.59 | Maldivia | this for intsance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psd8oVToS8k |
| 13:40.05 | foxlit | [besides, they kind of switched to Kevin Butler, which did have much to do with PS3] |
| 13:40.18 | Wobin | okaaay |
| 13:40.46 | Wobin | "What did <X> have to do with <product>?" "Ha, <y> didn't have anything to do with <other product>!" |
| 13:41.09 | Wobin | is not seeing the part where the initial question was actually answered |
| 13:41.18 | Maldivia | it's just the trend in advertisement |
| 13:41.32 | Maldivia | make a memorable commercial, instead of something informative |
| 13:41.40 | Wobin | misses the days when the advertising actually sold the product |
| 13:41.47 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQrxfBOo_Mo |
| 13:49.06 | Fisker | isn't the PS3 a pretty shitty Bluray player? |
| 13:50.15 | Fisker | yeah Adys reddit is pretty terrible |
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| 13:50.38 | Fisker | also Adys i thought Youtube was still in the negative |
| 13:50.41 | Fisker | or atleast was in 2010 |
| 13:50.53 | Adys | that's ridiculous |
| 13:50.58 | Adys | i mean |
| 13:51.04 | Adys | maybe on paper when you crunch the numbers down |
| 13:51.11 | Adys | but google is making an immense profit on youtube |
| 13:51.20 | Adys | profit includes user, ad reach, etc |
| 13:51.29 | Adys | their ad network is more highly recognized because of youtube, so on |
| 13:52.03 | Fisker | Not doubting that is their ultimate goal, just recall reading they were hemorrhaging money pretty bad |
| 13:52.17 | bluworkcow | adys has a rebbit ? |
| 13:52.18 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 13:52.20 | bluworkcow | a reddit ? |
| 13:52.26 | Fisker | i got a displayport cable |
| 13:52.31 | Fisker | too lazy to plug it in |
| 13:52.38 | Fisker | also running gpu-z over RDP = no no |
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| 13:52.55 | Fisker | couldn't even download castle while i was at work |
| 13:53.32 | Adys | Fisker: if they were making negative direct profits, then thats all there is to it |
| 13:53.51 | Adys | if youtube was hemorraging money, it wouldve shut down |
| 13:54.17 | Adys | when you're in an alexa10, you dont *care* how much money you make, you're a fucking goldmine |
| 13:55.46 | Fisker | well google can afford it :P |
| 13:55.53 | Adys | exactly |
| 13:56.09 | Adys | they *are* making a profit from it, its just indirect |
| 13:56.50 | Adys | if youtube increases their ad network's value, they're making an *overall profit* which would be much greater than direct ad revenue from youtube itself |
| 13:56.55 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.14 | Adys | especially since their ad network is insanely large |
| 13:57.14 | Adys | sup mikma |
| 13:57.27 | mikma | lol |
| 13:57.43 | mikma | apparently " aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzh" is up |
| 13:59.00 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 13:59.19 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 13:59.21 | Fisker | did you lulz btw? |
| 13:59.26 | bluworkcow | um |
| 13:59.28 | bluworkcow | y? |
| 13:59.30 | Fisker | jerk |
| 13:59.38 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 13:59.40 | bluworkcow | u mad ? |
| 13:59.46 | Fisker | the guy who was bitching about Blizzard's inaccurate wording by using inaccurate wording? |
| 14:00.06 | bluworkcow | where ? |
| 14:00.16 | Fisker | jerk l2read |
| 14:00.33 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3553597569?page=1#15 |
| 14:05.54 | Iriz | Hmm, so, I wonder, why does using button:SetNormalTexture(\\texture); not stretch across the entire frame? This is a child frame of the mainframe I am using, for details see: http://pastebin.com/VTguyFqJ |
| 14:06.49 | Iriz | The frame itself is being shown, the problem is that the 'button' is thicker than the texture, is it possible to stretch it out over the button? |
| 14:07.02 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 14:07.03 | Fisker | it begins |
| 14:07.45 | mikma | iriz: there was some setting you need to set for the texture... let's see |
| 14:08.43 | Iriz | mikma: SetAllPoints would not work if that's what you're thinking about, bassicly that will just stretch it to the size of the main frame |
| 14:09.13 | mikma | iriz: no, that's not the problem |
| 14:09.33 | foxlit | in unrelated news, \\Texture\\ is not a valid texture path |
| 14:09.51 | Iriz | It's not supposed to be either, it's just to shorten down the ammount of text to read |
| 14:10.08 | mikma | hmm, padding.. no |
| 14:10.54 | foxlit | it's pastebin. People really don't care about how long or short your strings are :) |
| 14:10.58 | mikma | it was changed in some patch ago |
| 14:11.00 | Iriz | True I guess |
| 14:11.53 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 14:11.56 | foxlit | mikma: you're probably wrong. |
| 14:12.16 | Iriz | usually I inherit UIPanelButtonTemplate when making buttons but, if I do that in this case it will not allow me to change the textures afaik |
| 14:12.41 | mikma | foxlit: i'm sure i am right because i encountered the same issue a while ago |
| 14:12.50 | foxlit | Textures always fill the entire area of the texture widget, either by stretching or tiling. |
| 14:13.01 | mikma | nope, they don't anymore |
| 14:13.07 | mikma | you need to set the texture to do so now |
| 14:14.00 | foxlit | well, let me know when you find whatever you're looking for. I'll be surprised then. :) |
| 14:14.34 | foxlit | Iriz: nevertheless, which textures are you actually working with? |
| 14:15.01 | Iriz | also using SetNormalTexture/Pushed/Highlight also causes the text set by "SetText" to not show |
| 14:15.13 | Iriz | foxlit: Just making a standard button, default blizzard textures |
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| 14:16.37 | Iriz | foxlit: http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/BUTTONS/UI-Panel-Button-Up.png as example |
| 14:17.17 | foxlit | Iriz: yeah, it's still being stretched |
| 14:17.29 | foxlit | your problem is that the texture is actually bigger than the visible region |
| 14:17.38 | Iriz | samller than the visible region* |
| 14:17.51 | foxlit | also a valid perspective. |
| 14:18.07 | foxlit | I kind of meant that the visible region is smaller than the texture |
| 14:18.22 | foxlit | point is, it's a 128x32 image |
| 14:18.42 | foxlit | but only like a 80x20 rectangle of it is non-transparent |
| 14:19.02 | mikma | hmm i think it was some graphical bar that i had that problem |
| 14:19.23 | Iriz | foxlit: I see what you mean |
| 14:19.36 | Iriz | foxlit: Did not notice that until now, how would I be able to fix that? |
| 14:19.51 | foxlit | Iriz: so what you're really looking for is SetTexCoord , which allows you to specify which region of the texture you actually want the widget to draw |
| 14:20.44 | foxlit | the four-value version is good enough for this purpose: suppose you had a 128x64 image, and you wanted to show a 32x32 rectangle at displaced 16 pixels left and 32 pixels down from the top left corner. You'd then do: |
| 14:21.07 | foxlit | texture:SetTexCoord(16/128, 16/128 + 32/128, 32/64, 32/64 + 32/64) |
| 14:23.59 | Iriz | foxlit: Yes but that is for the Texture API no? |
| 14:24.04 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 14:24.08 | foxlit | Iriz: yes. |
| 14:24.26 | mikma | can't find the info i was looking for now, but someone here told me what to do when the texture doesn't scale and it wrapped in the frame |
| 14:24.30 | foxlit | But everything is a texture anyway :) |
| 14:24.35 | mikma | wrapped, tiled, something |
| 14:24.52 | foxlit | In your case, after doing :SetPushedTexture("blah"), you can use :GetPushedTexture() to get a Texture widget back |
| 14:25.10 | Iriz | foxlit: I am not using the Texture API in this case, just the Widget API, I dont see how creating your own textures for buttons works with the Texture API |
| 14:25.11 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31967 |
| 14:25.12 | mikma | there we go |
| 14:25.20 | mikma | <texture>:SetHorizTile(true or false) |
| 14:25.23 | mikma | <texture>:SetVertTile(true or false) |
| 14:25.54 | foxlit | yes, and what do these functions do? :) |
| 14:27.40 | Iriz | foxlit: The problem is that SetNormalTexture(); only works with the Widget API it seems if I try to use it on a Texture it will give me bla bla "nil value, wont work" |
| 14:27.56 | foxlit | Iriz: call SetNormalTexture on your Button as you do already |
| 14:28.04 | foxlit | afterwards, call GetNormalTexture(), which will return a Texture object |
| 14:28.27 | foxlit | so, essentially, button:GetNormalTexture():SetTexCoord(...) |
| 14:28.38 | Iriz | foxlit: I'm sort of fuzzed, mind throwing an example in pastebin? |
| 14:28.45 | Iriz | ohh |
| 14:29.13 | foxlit | mikma: fail horribly at tiling, it seems :( |
| 14:29.54 | mikma | foxlit: isn't that the problem here, atleast what i understood |
| 14:30.53 | foxlit | not quite; it doesn't actually use these functions, and the default is still stretching |
| 14:31.06 | mikma | the default should be tiling in wow |
| 14:31.29 | foxlit | it's not. |
| 14:31.31 | foxlit | and has never been. |
| 14:31.32 | mikma | atleast that was my problem when i played around with textures 1,5 months ago |
| 14:31.38 | mikma | it got changed :P |
| 14:32.25 | mikma | cause i had an addon with stretched texture that was 4.0, and it was tiled in 4.2 |
| 14:32.52 | Iriz | foxlit: So SetTextCoord, not sure how it would work exactly, (MinX, MaxX, MinY, MaxY) How does that rescale the button? MinX and min Y would be both 0 and MaxY/X would be where the button ends? |
| 14:33.03 | Iriz | or well the texture |
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| 14:34.09 | foxlit | with less ambiguity: where the region you wish to show ends. |
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| 14:35.34 | Iriz | foxlit: I believe I understood how it works now, thanks |
| 14:36.20 | Iriz | I do however have one more question, why is the text set by SetText not visible? |
| 14:37.57 | foxlit | Iriz: foxlit: I believe I understood how it works now, thanks << less importantly, but of more immediate value: did you make it work as you want? :) |
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| 14:39.41 | Iriz | foxlit: Still adjusting, it seems to be scaling from 0 to 1, so fiinding the correct value is rather painful :P |
| 14:40.05 | foxlit | Iriz: yes, but figure out what you want in pixels of the original image, and scale it to the right values in lua |
| 14:40.34 | foxlit | for instance, if you figured out that the region you wanted is 80x20, you'd put 80/128 as your right bound, and 20/32 as your left bound, because the full image is 128 pixels wide and 80 pixels tall |
| 14:41.20 | foxlit | I don't have an answer regarding SetText, only a vague notion of Set*Texture and SetText being rather touchy about the order in which they're invoked. Try setting the text to some dummy string before you mess with any textures. |
| 14:42.08 | foxlit | hm, and SetHorizTile isn't as bugged as one would've thought. Silly forum threads, I should've stopped believing in you a long time ago :( |
| 14:42.37 | Iriz | foxlit: 78, 21, so 78/128 and 21/32 ? |
| 14:42.44 | foxlit | yes |
| 14:45.47 | karl_w_w | these giant toblerone bars are fun |
| 14:49.58 | Iriz | foxlit: I wont lie I'm not understanding the SetTexCoord at all, either you have 4 values or 8 values depending on how you are rescaling |
| 14:51.01 | Iriz | foxlit: So lets say I wanted it to be displayed from top to 78 and 21 I would do (0, 0, 78/128, 21/32) ? ;s |
| 14:51.08 | foxlit | yes. |
| 14:51.39 | foxlit | er, one sec, can't remember the order. |
| 14:51.53 | foxlit | it's left,right, top,bottom |
| 14:52.02 | foxlit | so 0,78/128, 0,21/32 |
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| 14:52.26 | Iriz | Aha |
| 14:53.18 | Iriz | foxlit: So displaying a full image would be 0, 1, 0, 1 |
| 14:53.23 | foxlit | yes |
| 14:53.52 | Kraps_w | have any of you even heard of Butt as a last name? |
| 14:54.12 | foxlit | this is clearly a ploy to get us to google Butt. |
| 14:54.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 14:54.30 | Kraps_w | the hell |
| 14:54.58 | Mikk | Butte - yes |
| 14:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of interesting last names out there. *shrug* |
| 14:57.01 | Mikk | new gfxcard excited |
| 14:57.16 | Mikk | 8800gt just didn't quite cut it anymore |
| 14:57.23 | foxlit | gah |
| 14:57.29 | Mikk | but damn it was a lot of bang for buck |
| 14:57.37 | foxlit | I was typing this comment to the effect of Mikk being too excited for verbs. |
| 14:57.55 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:58.28 | Mikk | still need a hard drive that can pump more than 14MB/s though >:< |
| 14:59.10 | Kraps_w | "what do you feel before you buy it?" "excited" |
| 15:00.38 | Mikk | hehe Ultra settings are still out of my reach :P |
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| 15:25.52 | Shirik | "This Annual Report on Form 10-K is a combined report being filed by SAIC, Inc. SAIC is a holding company and Science Applications International Corporation is a direct, 100%-owned subsidary of SAIC." |
| 15:26.05 | Shirik | Someone please tell me why you would have a subsidary with the same initials as your company |
| 15:26.21 | Kraps_w | easy to remember |
| 15:29.31 | foxlit | wait, Science Applications International Corporation, Incorporated? |
| 15:29.32 | Iriz | Possible to set the framelevel of text in the widget API? |
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| 15:33.06 | Kraps_w | foxlit: LLC, TM, 501c(3) |
| 15:39.21 | bluworkcow | shouldn't that be jelly is awesome _on_ the face ? |
| 15:41.47 | Shirik | no foxlit |
| 15:41.58 | Shirik | there's an SAIC, Inc., and then there's Science Applications International Corporation |
| 15:42.01 | Shirik | they are two separate entities |
| 15:42.11 | Shirik | I am not aware of what, if anything, SAIC stands for |
| 15:43.08 | Shirik | Feel free to figure it out: http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=8159176 |
| 15:43.48 | Cide | why |
| 15:44.10 | Cide | why is that from xml.10kwizard.com and then |
| 15:44.22 | Cide | MOST HORRID JAVASCRIPT EVER |
| 15:44.30 | Cide | I mean |
| 15:44.32 | Cide | open source |
| 15:44.36 | Cide | view source* |
| 15:44.37 | Cide | and cry |
| 15:46.19 | Maldivia | unfortunately... I've seen worse |
| 15:46.26 | Cide | http://imgur.com/kEMUs |
| 15:46.28 | Cide | truest story |
| 15:47.33 | haste | system shock 2 comes to mind |
| 15:47.42 | haste | especially on the harder difficulties |
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| 15:48.12 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 15:48.31 | Humbedooh | ponies! |
| 15:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
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| 15:50.20 | Kraps_w | horses |
| 15:50.28 | Lunessa | Oh look, it's "survey the wow population for my research paper" time again. |
| 15:50.46 | |Jelly| | yaaaaaaaay |
| 15:50.59 | Kraps_w | what are you researching |
| 15:51.20 | Cide | Lunessa: I technically agree, but must respectfully argue angrily with you for the next 5 minutes |
| 15:52.02 | Lunessa | I am not. I'm just seeing a rise in the "please fill out my survey for my thesis/research project" posts. |
| 15:52.13 | Cide | boo |
| 15:52.21 | Cide | well, there is my survey answer |
| 15:52.49 | Lunessa | Cide: At the end of said argument, I shall voicferously declaim you to the dean and suggest that your diploma should never have been issued. |
| 15:53.24 | Torhal|work | Shall you prognosticate? |
| 15:53.48 | Lunessa | Why don't you rumintae whilst I illumnate? |
| 15:54.23 | Torhal|work | Are you inebriated by the exuberance of your own verbosity? |
| 15:54.46 | Fisker | damn jnwhiteh |
| 15:55.05 | Shirik | Cide: I have a feeling it's autogenerated code |
| 15:55.16 | Cide | true |
| 15:55.24 | Cide | but XSLT would be a better solution than that -_- |
| 15:55.35 | Cide | and I think that is the only time I will ever say that in my life |
| 15:55.41 | Shirik | My code generator does some really strange things sometimes |
| 15:55.45 | Lunessa | I suffer from the delusion that my pontifications on all matters material are both significant and insightful, rendering my capactity for self-restraint in needless communication improbable in its exercise. |
| 15:55.45 | Shirik | It came up with a new one yesterda |
| 15:55.48 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.51 | Shirik | it did |
| 15:55.52 | Cide | your code generator does the best things |
| 15:55.55 | bluworkcow | tiem to change over computer |
| 15:56.01 | Shirik | static class : public Foo, public Bar {} instance; |
| 15:56.17 | Shirik | inside of a function |
| 15:56.23 | Cide | that is awesome |
| 15:56.28 | Cide | and I did not even know you could do that |
| 15:56.40 | Cide | your code generator beats me |
| 15:56.46 | karl_w_w | downloading updated tools Cide |
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| 15:56.50 | karl_w_w | updated tools! |
| 15:57.13 | Torhal|work | Lunessa: They have an app for that. I think. |
| 15:57.16 | Torhal|work | :D |
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| 15:57.33 | Adys | WHY |
| 15:57.33 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/1955105 |
| 15:58.00 | Cide | is that javascript? |
| 15:58.36 | Cide | yes it is |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik | Cide: http://codepad.org/xsQ8HiEy |
| 15:58.44 | Shirik | that's essentially what it did |
| 15:59.27 | Cide | glorious |
| 15:59.28 | Cide | but why |
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| 15:59.47 | Shirik | I imagine it was due to a lack of information; it knew one of those two things needed to get into the functions but couldn't figure out which one at generation time |
| 16:00.00 | Shirik | I'd have to go back to the rules to see |
| 16:00.04 | Shirik | I do know this is a very low priority rule |
| 16:00.27 | Cide | well |
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| 16:00.36 | Cide | I for one welcome our new code generator overlords |
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| 16:01.35 | Torhal|work | re-writes Shirik in C++ and Spanish. |
| 16:01.48 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:02.31 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 16:17.43 | alestane | Making my first attempt to use Visual C++ for a project that has any complexity; what's the basic vocabulary it uses to producing two executables that share a common chunk of code? Just make two projects and include the same files in them? Or is there something like XCode's ability to build multiple targets from the same project? |
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| 16:19.16 | Shirik | alestane: make the shared code a separate project |
| 16:19.24 | Shirik | either a static library or a dynamic library |
| 16:19.47 | alestane | So then I need to have THREE projects. |
| 16:20.00 | Shirik | yes; then you can right click on the projects that use that code and "add reference" to that project, which will instruct the linker to link it in |
| 16:20.37 | Shirik | there is a way to build for multiple targets but I don't think that's what you really want |
| 16:20.41 | Shirik | that's really meant for cross-compiling, etc. |
| 16:20.47 | alestane | Is it okay with having multiple projects open so that I can debug the server and the client at the same time? |
| 16:21.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:21.14 | Shirik | you want to put all of the projects in the same solution |
| 16:21.23 | Shirik | the debugger can seamlessly handle all of them at once |
| 16:21.49 | Shirik | (it's also required for a reasonable build process) |
| 16:21.53 | alestane | ...okay,so what exactly is the difference between a "project" and a "solution"? |
| 16:22.29 | Shirik | a solution is just a collection of projects and its configuration (e.g., dependencies, etc.) |
| 16:22.45 | Cide | a solution is a project and a project is a build target -_- |
| 16:22.48 | Cide | imo! |
| 16:23.03 | Cide | visual studio picked the worst of names |
| 16:23.08 | Shirik | when you created your project, you also created a solution. When you create a new project you will have an option to add it to the solution. |
| 16:23.10 | alestane | That's how it sounds like the language corresponds, yes. |
| 16:24.12 | alestane | So, I started by creating a project, and it created a solution to nest that project inside, and I added all my files to the project. |
| 16:25.09 | alestane | Now, if I understand right, you're suggesting that I create two new projects inside the same solution, and move the files with the main routines for the client and server into those two new projects, and make those projects dependent on the original project. |
| 16:25.56 | Shirik | not just dependent, but you also need to add a reference to the original project |
| 16:26.00 | Shirik | so there's two concepts |
| 16:26.05 | Shirik | a dependency just enforces build order |
| 16:26.14 | Shirik | a reference instructs the linker that it needs to link in the output from another project |
| 16:26.23 | Shirik | (the latter also forces a dependency to be created) |
| 16:26.41 | Shirik | but yes that's about right |
| 16:28.24 | alestane | Worked great up until the point where Visual Studio crashed. |
| 16:28.29 | Cide | it does that |
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| 16:30.19 | alestane | I think I'm deleting the template code it supplied, but what is this ^ indirection thing? A memory-managed pointer or something? |
| 16:30.57 | Shirik | sounds like you created a .NET project |
| 16:31.15 | Shirik | there's a way to fix that but I would advise creating the project again and deleting that one |
| 16:31.27 | Shirik | unless you intend to make a .NET project |
| 16:31.37 | Shirik | ^ is a "pointer to an object on the GC heap" |
| 16:31.52 | Shirik | Foo^ instance = gcnew Foo; |
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| 16:33.46 | Shirik | If you don't like that, just wait until you see .NET arrays |
| 16:35.42 | alestane | So, make a Win32 console application instead of a CLR console application? |
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| 16:35.52 | Shirik | array<Foo^,1>^ myArray = gcnew array<Foo^, 1>(n); |
| 16:35.53 | Shirik | = win |
| 16:35.54 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:36.08 | Shirik | CLR = .NET |
| 16:36.40 | Shirik | then it will make _tmain which is how VS makes main(). It's identical, and you can change it to main() if you want, it's just a main() for TCHARs |
| 16:36.46 | Fisker | hey there Shirik |
| 16:36.53 | Shirik | there hey Fisker |
| 16:37.10 | Fisker | :( |
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| 16:50.55 | alestane | Remind me what the point of stdafx.h is? |
| 16:52.35 | olafski | I've never seen this ^ thing in my .net code.. :[ |
| 16:55.27 | olafski | err, C# code.. :P |
| 17:01.48 | alestane | Hmm, I may have to learn how to debug a POSIX application over a remote terminal. |
| 17:02.14 | nevcairiel | alestane: stdafx.h is used for the precompiled headers, really doesnt have much more of a point |
| 17:02.44 | nevcairiel | its just the default precompiled header file |
| 17:09.49 | Kraps_w | oh wow at the loot roll changes in mists of pandaria |
| 17:11.02 | nevcairiel | seems like a sensible thing for raid finder groups |
| 17:13.24 | olafski | guess so yeah :] |
| 17:13.49 | olafski | though the "If you want to save up your Charms for heroic bosses, go for it." seems off |
| 17:14.03 | olafski | that sounds like it will make those charms a requirement again instead of something optional |
| 17:14.04 | Kraps_w | according to this huge spell change dump on mmoc almost every spell is having mana costs drastically reduced |
| 17:14.12 | nevcairiel | i like that bonus roll idea |
| 17:14.14 | nevcairiel | seems wicked =p |
| 17:14.19 | olafski | kraps_w: yeah.. int won't increase mana anymore |
| 17:14.34 | Kraps_w | which means what |
| 17:14.35 | olafski | nevcairiel: me too, but having it give you an extra chance at heroic boss loot? :] |
| 17:14.45 | olafski | kraps_w: which means they'll have to lower mana cost else you'll run oom in 2 spells |
| 17:15.03 | olafski | or was spirit going to increase mana now? :s |
| 17:15.30 | Kraps_w | so int is just for spell crit now? |
| 17:15.30 | olafski | nevcairiel: I also wonder if I can have 4 of those tokens, run LFR 4 times and use all of the tokens on the final boss :} |
| 17:15.38 | olafski | ("one token per kill") |
| 17:15.42 | olafski | and spell damage |
| 17:15.51 | olafski | eh, spell power |
| 17:15.54 | nevcairiel | also, i already noticed the AoE looting in the beta |
| 17:15.58 | nevcairiel | i loved that feature in SWTOR |
| 17:16.11 | nevcairiel | much easier to grab all loot in one go instead of trying to find that one mob that still sparkles |
| 17:16.12 | Kraps_w | Rift has it |
| 17:16.21 | nebula169 | olafski: probably, but you'd only get gold/flash/misc item and not loot off the boss |
| 17:16.22 | olafski | there was a post about aoe looting on mmoc last week wasn't there? ,) |
| 17:16.30 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 17:16.31 | olafski | nebula169: well, it doesn't exactly say that.. :] |
| 17:16.33 | nevcairiel | its been active in the beta |
| 17:16.56 | olafski | only says once per kill, and a small chance at epic loot (presumably the same chance as when you normally "rolled") |
| 17:16.58 | nebula169 | you're not eligible for loot, why would a bonus roll suddenly change that |
| 17:17.44 | olafski | I don't see why not |
| 17:18.00 | olafski | it just says that you can spend a token when you kill a boss, to instantly get "another" shot at loot |
| 17:18.03 | nevcairiel | the new valor concept seems confusing |
| 17:18.09 | nevcairiel | guess we'll have to see how it works out |
| 17:18.16 | olafski | what's confusing about it? |
| 17:18.22 | olafski | spend valor to increase ilvl by 8 :] |
| 17:18.26 | nevcairiel | the impact in the grand scheme of things |
| 17:18.42 | nebula169 | tinkering! |
| 17:18.48 | olafski | won't affect me in any way, anyway ;) |
| 17:19.34 | olafski | neither will the charm thing I was wondering about though so I guess we'll see when it's out :p |
| 17:19.44 | nevcairiel | you dont even do raid finder? =p |
| 17:20.29 | olafski | I've done it a couple of times |
| 17:20.35 | olafski | but I sure as hell won't do it several times a week :P |
| 17:20.43 | Lunessa | http://smilepanic.com/wp-content/uploads/cute-otters-two-kissing-another-otter-on-both-sides-800x500.jpg |
| 17:20.51 | nevcairiel | isnt it just meant for like once a week anyway |
| 17:21.08 | olafski | yeah, but I was just wondering about a possible "loophole" |
| 17:21.19 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they thought that through =p |
| 17:22.07 | olafski | like they think so many things through.. :P |
| 17:22.14 | olafski | 8 hagara and 7 madness kills, more than I thought :s |
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| 17:22.51 | olafski | I think I haven't spent any valor points since 4.3 though |
| 17:24.33 | karl_w_w | http://www.cracked.com/blog/9-badass-lasers-that-prove-death-star-isnt-far-off/ |
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| 17:43.11 | karl_w_w | passion, love, sex, money, violence, religion, injustice, death |
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| 17:45.09 | Lopeppeppy | You should have more death scattered among your deadly sins there, karl_ |
| 17:46.45 | pompy | sigh really? http://www.newegg.com/Info/TrackOrder.aspx?TrackingNumber=1ZX799331272524088 wtf was it doing on Monday? |
| 17:46.56 | pompy | that 3 day select just turned into 4 day ><! |
| 17:48.50 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: I give! Uncle! I surrender! |
| 17:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | I know, Cairenn. All those eyes. |
| 17:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | pompy - Customs, perhaps? |
| 17:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | No, duh, read that wrong. |
| 17:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | I think that California was having a nice holiday weekend. |
| 17:51.21 | pompy | bastards |
| 17:51.34 | pompy | idc if it was free shipping, they didnt live up to their word! |
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| 17:55.30 | alestane | I must not have been here for whatever they were posting. |
| 17:59.37 | TC-Work | so i come in this morning and see this email from my boss. "Kara , cara , potato, potahto, tomato, shut the fuck up." |
| 18:13.43 | Lunessa | TC-Work: You work in a strange environment. |
| 18:14.51 | TC-Work | Lunessa: it was the tail end of me correcting my boss on how to caramel, but still rather amusing. |
| 18:15.10 | TC-Work | say caramel* |
| 18:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | Carmel is a town. Caramel is a food. |
| 18:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | And camels bite. |
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| 18:45.38 | pompy | lol now its jus tgunna be called "Ninja Turtles" |
| 18:46.07 | Maldivia | yeah, they are no longer teenagers or mutants... but adult aliens |
| 18:46.50 | Maldivia | sing with me... adult ninja alien turtles... |
| 18:54.06 | Lopeppeppy | Heroes we don't care about... turtle power... |
| 18:54.33 | Kraps_w | another channel i was in a guy absolutely raged about it |
| 18:55.49 | Maldivia | ... is it bad that I know the TMNT theme song in German? |
| 18:55.58 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:57.14 | Maldivia | ... Sie sind echt ein ultra heisses team... na logo! |
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| 19:03.30 | pompy | how do you view MPQ files again? |
| 19:03.55 | Kamiyomi | im looking for an idea for an addon to write. I dont have a huge amount of addon experience but i've written a few rather basic ones and i have experience in other coding languages, mainly java, but im looking for something to do in some of my spare time and writing an addon seems fun. i mainly just need an idea for something to do. |
| 19:04.09 | Maldivia | pompy: try google |
| 19:05.00 | pompy | Maldivia: hm |
| 19:05.13 | Maldivia | pompy: googling mpq give you the right link as 2nd answer :P |
| 19:05.30 | pompy | is the beta laucher called Blizzard Launcher.exe for the sake of the beta or that's what it'll be when the new exp goes live? |
| 19:06.50 | Maldivia | it's the same BNet Agent/Client that's used for D3, where it's also called Blizzard Launcher (well, it's the same, so ofcourse it is) |
| 19:08.21 | amro | deep insight |
| 19:08.29 | Maldivia | yeah :P |
| 19:09.06 | Maldivia | I gave up trying to fix that statement :P |
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| 19:11.55 | pompy | the d3 launcher is the same? |
| 19:12.04 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 19:12.24 | Maldivia | it resides in (on Windows) C:\ProgramData\Battle.Net |
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| 19:15.14 | Maldivia | Basically, the Laucher in the WoW folder is just the graphical shell, the patching etc is handled by the Blizzard Launcher now, which is shared between the blizzard games (S2 will probably also shift to it with next expansion) |
| 19:17.58 | foxlit | " If it makes any difference, WoW was written using C#, which is the newest incarnation of C." |
| 19:18.47 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:19.47 | Stanzilla | dafuq |
| 19:20.28 | Torhal|work | foxlit: I read that, did an eyebrow dance, and promptly ignored it. |
| 19:20.51 | Kraps_w | C# was just released by Sun |
| 19:20.52 | Torhal|work | This is also a post from someone who's been working with Lua for years and insists on writing in C-style. |
| 19:21.36 | Torhal|work | I should ask him what the hell he'd have done had he been a Python programmer previously. |
| 19:21.41 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 19:22.21 | Kraps_w | WoW was actually written in visual basic |
| 19:23.37 | Kraps_w | so i use it to make a GUI to track gankers IPs |
| 19:25.44 | Torhal|work | Screw it. I responded. |
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| 19:49.50 | Humbedooh | Torhal|work, he dares put semicolons after each statement? gasp! |
| 19:50.17 | Torhal|work | Humbedooh: And parens where not required. |
| 19:50.24 | Torhal|work | And: var == nil |
| 19:50.36 | Torhal|work | But I digress. |
| 19:50.38 | Humbedooh | heehee |
| 19:50.54 | Humbedooh | I tend to do that myself, but I try not to |
| 19:51.09 | Humbedooh | except for the var == nil thing, that's silly |
| 19:53.09 | Maldivia | Humbedooh: what if he want's to allow false? |
| 19:53.17 | Torhal|work | That's a special case. |
| 19:53.31 | Torhal|work | But to do it as a rule is very much "I LIKE C!" |
| 19:53.45 | Maldivia | ehh, just the opposite |
| 19:53.48 | Maldivia | I'd say |
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| 19:54.19 | Torhal|work | Doesn't matter: Humbedooh will likely write a C compiler in Lua. |
| 19:54.21 | Maldivia | a null check i C is usually just: if (!var) |
| 19:54.55 | Torhal|work | Maldivia: True. |
| 19:55.06 | Humbedooh | likes C :( |
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| 20:02.56 | neutronimity | [21:50:10] <Torhal|work> Humbedooh: And parents where not required. <3 |
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| 20:03.23 | Humbedooh | parens ;| |
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| 20:09.17 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-3-templar-freemasons-connection-dyce-140261/ |
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| 21:17.35 | kd3 | grr; having a hard time coming up with names for the quest lines on http://www.wowpedia.org/Wandering_Isle_storyline |
| 21:20.00 | foxlit | Your split points are mostly arbitrary |
| 21:20.11 | foxlit | Essentially, either the whole thing is one big quest line |
| 21:20.22 | foxlit | Or it's a lot of little 5-quest quest lines. |
| 21:20.37 | kd3 | yah; I went with the middle ground of splitting at returns to the temple |
| 21:20.41 | foxlit | Getting out of the starting area? 5 quests |
| 21:20.47 | foxlit | Getting to Aysa? 5 quests. |
| 21:20.50 | foxlit | Getting to Huo? 5 quests |
| 21:21.10 | foxlit | Stuff in Huo's cave? 5 quests |
| 21:23.12 | foxlit | I guess they went out and focus-grouped on what a reasonable unit of gameplay was |
| 21:23.16 | foxlit | And it came out to be 5 quests :/ |
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| 21:46.36 | TC-Work | so, am i correct in thinking that the object operator in php is take $var and use the data in $var for function() execution |
| 21:47.12 | foxlit | the who operator? |
| 21:48.21 | Xyphoid | not really, php has actual classes these days |
| 21:48.59 | Xyphoid | so $obj->f() calls the f() method in $obj's class like you'd expect, nothing to do with the global function f() |
| 21:49.38 | TC-Work | ah, ok, i had it backwards |
| 21:54.53 | Xyphoid | "At this time, we're thinking there won't be gear on the Valor vendors at all," |
| 21:54.54 | Xyphoid | woo |
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| 22:06.01 | Adys | http://www.autistici.org/bakunin/mod_maybe/ |
| 22:17.16 | Humbedooh | from the guy that gave us mod_bash ... |
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| 22:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | wonder what the updated tools contain :o |
| 22:28.42 | Maldivia | a week old launcher |
| 22:31.01 | Maldivia | which reminds me what really annoys me about the MoP launcher... the latency in sound when hovering over buttons |
| 22:33.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but like, why update the launcher? :o |
| 22:34.09 | Maldivia | they found a bug, they fixed it? |
| 22:34.56 | Maldivia | or to include code in prepartion for switch to Blizzard Launcher |
| 22:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | i just hate when there are no patch notes for things :( |
| 22:47.06 | Maldivia | well, compare old version with new version then, and see what changed |
| 23:01.29 | Mikk | Hrmph.. entirely removing gear from valor vendors seems taking it a bit far for me. I think the T13 way is spot on. |
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| 23:02.49 | Mikk | (But I also like the idea of being able to use valor to ilvl++ your existing pieces) |
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| 23:05.48 | Xyphoid | i think it's a good idea |
| 23:06.25 | Xyphoid | especially after the first patch - it seems so dumb to be grinding heroics that drop ilvl 100 gear, to give you points for ilvl 200 gear. |
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| 23:48.55 | kd3|phone | Mmm, cracker barrel. |
| 23:49.35 | Cairenn | mmmmm |
