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| 00:55.28 | Mikk | YAY someone put up the best batman scene over on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_B_n-Rbros |
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| 00:57.04 | Arrowmaster | so terrible |
| 00:57.40 | Arrowmaster | wtf at the end |
| 00:57.55 | Thunder_Child | it is bad...welcome to the 60's era tv |
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| 01:02.43 | Jammer | rofl why did it blow up :D |
| 01:03.01 | karl_w_w | Iriel: anything related to ben & jerry's is omg worthy |
| 01:05.34 | nilyaK | omg ben and jerry's: like that? |
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| 02:03.26 | kd3 | adys, ooh, neat |
| 02:03.40 | kd3 | maybe I'll be able to download d3 without having to boot up a win7 vm |
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| 02:10.16 | Arrowmaster | problem is the launcher that doesnt work in wine |
| 02:11.09 | Arrowmaster | grr stupid hulu putting a commercial 5 seconds before the ending credits |
| 02:34.58 | Mikk | hah |
| 02:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure you meant to link this, mikk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlusgU-MUZ4&feature=related |
| 02:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda wish the clip stopped at the end of their run into the ocean |
| 02:55.08 | Mr_Rabies | but also kinda don't |
| 02:58.55 | Mikk | COWABUNGA |
| 03:02.42 | Arrowmaster | the fuck |
| 03:03.10 | BlackNet | hmmm |
| 03:03.27 | karl_w_w | the fuck, the whole fuck, and nothing but the fuck |
| 03:11.08 | BlackNet | wonder how viable ret tanking trash is in dungeons now |
| 03:23.42 | BlackNet | LOL someone just ask in trade how they pause the game, they had to goto the bathroom. the reply was alt-f4 |
| 03:24.23 | karl_w_w | you must be on a very quiet realm |
| 03:26.36 | BlackNet | sometimes it's a break |
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| 04:07.14 | Arrowmaster | well i as about to link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU but the shear awesomeness brought down the server |
| 04:08.10 | kd3 | haha; http://i.imgur.com/hjjO4.jpg |
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| 05:29.12 | bluworkcow | hmmm |
| 05:29.15 | bluworkcow | ~wowalert |
| 05:29.15 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 05:29.23 | bluworkcow | ~d3alert |
| 05:29.23 | purl | http://enUS.nydus.battle.net/D3/enUS/alert or http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 05:29.35 | bluworkcow | thank you purl |
| 05:29.35 | purl | bluworkcow: my pleasure |
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| 05:32.03 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* bioware has it's head so far up it's own ass they are about to create recursion |
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| 05:32.53 | Thunder_Child | wb Cairenn |
| 05:33.00 | Cairenn | thanks tc :) |
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| 06:23.46 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/416849_410631145620213_337810862902242_1810672_1029023723_n.jpg |
| 06:24.09 | Cairenn | awww |
| 06:24.37 | Thunder_Child | save a napkin wipe your face on a cat? |
| 06:24.44 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2012/03/15/funny-pictures-friendship-saint-bernard-kitten/ |
| 06:25.41 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 06:25.45 | bluspacecow | star trek did it first! |
| 06:36.36 | Arrowmaster | more stupid memory issues in firefox found and fixed http://blog.mozilla.com/nnethercote/2011/08/05/clownshoes-available-in-sizes-2101-and-up/ |
| 06:43.48 | Cairenn | Torhal: thanks for the report, pulled it |
| 06:44.01 | Torhal | yw :) |
| 06:45.07 | pompy | Arrowmaster: august 2011? |
| 06:45.49 | Arrowmaster | so |
| 06:45.59 | pompy | Thunder_Child: what did bioware do? |
| 06:47.18 | Thunder_Child | released ME3 |
| 06:56.41 | Arrowmaster | i think the frame rate of the gif is a bit too low http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/funny-gifs-take-a-spin.gif |
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| 07:46.15 | Shirik | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:46.20 | Sixen | Cairenn: Perfect timing... you see the leaked MoP stuff already? |
| 07:46.22 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 07:46.36 | Cairenn | Sixen: lemme guess who ... |
| 07:46.40 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 07:46.47 | Sixen | haha, surprisingly I don't think so |
| 07:46.51 | Sixen | Gamesradar leaked the videos |
| 07:46.52 | Cairenn | no? |
| 07:46.59 | Sixen | http://daeity.blogspot.com/2012/03/mists-of-pandaria-video-leak.html |
| 07:46.59 | Cairenn | is amazed |
| 07:47.03 | Sixen | ;p; |
| 07:47.04 | Sixen | lol* |
| 07:48.02 | Sixen | =\ |
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| 08:05.55 | Fisker | old Sixen |
| 08:09.15 | Xuerian | That's so two hours ago |
| 08:10.55 | Fisker | more like that's so yesterday Xuerian |
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| 08:11.07 | Xuerian | Depending on where you are, two hours ago is yesterday. |
| 08:15.13 | Fisker | more like that's so 24 hours ago Xuerian |
| 08:15.47 | Xuerian | Meh, I'm not into things older than 21 hours. |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | being into things older than 21 hours is so 21 hours ago |
| 08:18.09 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 08:18.16 | Shirik | also, for me, two hours ago is yesterday |
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| 08:21.36 | Arrowmaster | hmm the package of thin mints i put in the freezer a few days ago is gone |
| 08:22.16 | Shirik | hides his thin mints |
| 08:24.33 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 08:24.37 | bluspacecow | BBL |
| 08:40.17 | karl_w_w | So, it was Arrowmaster who took my thin mints, and then lost them? Miserable wretch. |
| 08:42.40 | Arrowmaster | wasnt me, mine were thrown at me two weeks ago while i was gaming |
| 08:42.48 | Arrowmaster | so i hide them |
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| 09:03.23 | karl_w_w | [17:01:54] [2][Ihackyou]: LFM FL 25 man [Firelands] Need healers + DPS PST [Glory of the Dragon Soul Raider] |
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| 09:44.27 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:44.38 | Fisker | i just played Diablo 2 |
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| 10:13.19 | Wobin | Fisker: how was it? |
| 10:13.36 | Fisker | boring |
| 10:13.47 | Wobin | so far, I'm not being stunned by D3 |
| 10:14.01 | Wobin | not sure what I'm expecting out of it, though |
| 10:17.18 | Gnarfoz | maybe you're expecting forgetting d1+d2 out of it |
| 10:17.24 | Gnarfoz | doubt that's going to happen |
| 10:19.17 | Wobin | expecting what? |
| 10:27.15 | Gnarfoz | expecting it to be new, as if you had never heard of d1 and d2 |
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| 10:32.31 | Wobin | I think I expected some innovation out of it, I probably haven't played it enough to grasp the changes though |
| 10:32.55 | Wobin | the voices are a nice touch |
| 10:33.51 | Wobin | It'd be nice if the servers were up on the weekend though =( |
| 10:35.09 | Gnarfoz | it's a beta, not a demo |
| 10:35.25 | Wobin | yes. |
| 10:35.32 | Wobin | which is why I said that "It'd be nice" |
| 10:35.40 | Wobin | and not "ZOMG WHY IS IT NOT UP DAMN YOUR EYES" |
| 10:36.05 | Wobin | surprisingly enough, a non sarcastic application of "It'd be nice" in this case =P |
| 10:36.34 | Fisker | when did this become about D3? :O |
| 10:36.47 | Wobin | (you can tell, from the cunningly applied frowny face, instead of the sticky tongue out one) |
| 10:37.04 | Wobin | Fisker: about 20min ago |
| 10:37.17 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:37.49 | Gnarfoz | grabbing d3 retail download for now, even though I haven't bought it yet |
| 10:37.52 | Gnarfoz | yay |
| 10:41.11 | Fisker | annual pass > Gnarfoz |
| 10:44.22 | karl_w_w | retails Fisker |
| 10:47.15 | Gnarfoz | annual pass what? I play wow for free, no need for annual pass (and I'm not eligible, anyway) |
| 10:50.55 | Fisker | owned Gnarfoz |
| 10:51.05 | Fisker | and i know Gnarfoz |
| 10:51.10 | jnwhiteh | Why aren't you eligible? |
| 10:51.21 | Fisker | he has a 25-year gametime card |
| 10:51.26 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 10:51.50 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh btw |
| 10:51.57 | jnwhiteh | hihi Fisker |
| 10:51.59 | jnwhiteh | how are you? |
| 10:52.08 | Fisker | not bad |
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| 10:52.57 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:56.50 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker |
| 10:56.56 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 10:57.05 | bluspacecow | diskery disker! |
| 10:57.19 | karl_w_w | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:58.18 | bluspacecow | karly karl karl |
| 10:58.20 | bluspacecow | hihi |
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| 11:08.23 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: why so battle.net down? |
| 11:09.04 | Fisker | idk |
| 11:09.14 | bluspacecow | he's been training her to pimp out jnwhiteh |
| 11:09.15 | Maldivia | isn't down kind of superfluous |
| 11:10.21 | bluspacecow | you of coruse been the D3 beta b.net servers |
| 11:22.16 | p3lim | what exactly would assert() do on a frame? |
| 11:23.32 | bluspacecow | magic! |
| 11:25.55 | p3lim | Awesome |
| 11:49.46 | karl_w_w | The assert function checks whether its first argument is not false and simply returns that argument; if the argument is false (that is, false or nil), assert raises an error. Its second argument, the message, is optional, so that if you do not want to say anything in the error message, you do not have to. |
| 11:51.02 | karl_w_w | ie. it wouldn't do anything to the frame, because assert never does do anything to it's arguments |
| 11:51.14 | bluspacecow | exactly |
| 11:51.17 | bluspacecow | magic@ |
| 12:04.29 | Mikk | Correction: assert() on a frame prevents it from being garbage collected for a little bit longer |
| 12:05.29 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 12:05.32 | bluspacecow | no magics ? |
| 12:07.26 | Stanzilla | oh man, can't stop listening to that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnZ3hy7Pk4A |
| 12:08.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4Nq2wioT4 |
| 12:11.35 | Maldivia | ... but frames are never GC'ed |
| 12:18.26 | Mikk | no but the tables can be! |
| 12:19.00 | Mikk | yes i'm being very nitpickery |
| 12:19.26 | bluspacecow | persnikty! |
| 12:20.12 | Maldivia | Mikk: can they really? Aren't the always referecend somewhere? |
| 12:20.20 | Mikk | of course not |
| 12:20.42 | Mikk | local magic = CreateFrame("Frame"); magic=nil |
| 12:20.42 | Mikk | bai |
| 12:20.48 | Mikk | but the GUI object always remains |
| 12:20.53 | Mikk | you just can't get to it from Lua anymore |
| 12:22.34 | Mikk | actually that's a very interesting question now that you ask it |
| 12:22.41 | Mikk | i wonder what /framestack would report |
| 12:22.50 | Maldivia | well, there are frame:GetChildren() |
| 12:22.58 | Maldivia | GetFramesRegisteredForEvent(...) |
| 12:23.00 | Maldivia | etc |
| 12:23.02 | Mikk | yeah |
| 12:23.20 | Mikk | needs to test |
| 12:24.15 | Maldivia | EnumerateFrames(nil) |
| 12:24.29 | Mikk | if it doesn't disappear, Blizzard does something funny with the object to prevent it from being GCd |
| 12:24.51 | bluspacecow | hai2u luabot |
| 12:25.19 | Mikk | because Luaspace certainly won't have a reference to it anymore so normal GC _should_ eat it |
| 12:25.20 | Maldivia | well, EnumerateFrames will eventually get through all frames, so it must keep a list internally |
| 12:25.29 | Mikk | yes but that's in C space |
| 12:25.53 | Mikk | i guess it's possible to do violence to the object's refcount or so |
| 12:25.54 | Maldivia | still, it returns the table for the frame, so the table is referenced i C space |
| 12:26.04 | Mikk | or just keep a table around that is a Lua object that we can't touch |
| 12:26.19 | Mikk | (which is entirely possible) |
| 12:26.38 | Maldivia | the latter would probably be the easiest solution |
| 12:28.38 | Maldivia | Mikk, but the easiest way to test would probably be something like local frame=CreateFrame("frame") frame["magic"]="Marker"; frame=nil; ... wait a while for GC and then EnumerateFrames and look for the magic marker |
| 12:29.12 | Mikk | collectgarbage("collect") |
| 12:29.24 | nevcairiel | i doubt it would be gone, i'm sure there are plenty frames that somehow are dereferenced but their data still used in a script somewhere |
| 12:29.47 | Mikk | yeah it remains |
| 12:29.49 | Mikk | just tested |
| 12:31.12 | Mikk | collectgarbage("collect") doesn't make it go poof, it still showed up in a GetFramesRegisteredForEvent("AUTOFOLLOW_END") |
| 12:31.42 | Mikk | so yes it's obviously forced to never get GCd somehow. either by tinkering with the Lua object from C, or by referencing it from somewhere we don't see |
| 12:32.08 | Mikk | and considering that they have EnumerateFrames() ... it's probably the latter |
| 12:32.10 | Maldivia | well, of course it never goes poof if its listenning to events |
| 12:32.45 | Maldivia | if that was the case, half my addons wouldn't work |
| 12:32.55 | Mikk | yaknow that's very true :P |
| 12:33.22 | Fisker | i once space'd a C |
| 12:33.31 | Mikk | okay i'll try your magic marker method too |
| 12:33.40 | Mikk | with an unnamed frame even |
| 12:33.52 | bluspacecow | *whips a sharpie out* |
| 12:34.00 | bluspacecow | *doodles a stache on mikk* |
| 12:34.16 | Mikk | dunce hat more appropriate |
| 12:34.47 | bluspacecow | silly mikk |
| 12:34.56 | bluspacecow | you cant doodle a dunce hat on someones face it looks silly |
| 12:35.06 | Adys | any archlinux user in this chan? nevcairiel maybe? |
| 12:35.21 | nevcairiel | i never liked arch |
| 12:35.31 | Adys | why's that? |
| 12:36.16 | Mikk | Maldivia: yeah even magic market method has it existing |
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| 12:37.47 | Maldivia | Mikk: so faith is restored in the "frames cannot be GCed" statement :P |
| 12:37.54 | Mikk | yep! |
| 12:38.14 | nevcairiel | Adys: tried it once, didnt like its package management and basic system configuration setups, also, its binary based =p |
| 12:38.23 | Mikk | or more precisely "frame tables are never GCd" |
| 12:38.25 | Adys | nevcairiel: binary based? |
| 12:38.34 | Mikk | i never did doubt that GUI frame objects stayed around forever |
| 12:38.36 | nevcairiel | you know, pre-compiled packages and stuff |
| 12:39.01 | Adys | you use gentoo? |
| 12:39.05 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 12:39.16 | Adys | so the correct wording is "also, it's not gentoo" :P |
| 12:39.35 | nevcairiel | i'm not attached to one specific brand |
| 12:39.51 | nevcairiel | i just like the freedom i get from choosing exactly which features i compile into the apps |
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| 13:03.30 | Gnarfoz | I think he was pointing out that the only distro that offers that particular kind of craziness is gentoo |
| 13:04.24 | Gnarfoz | Xuerian: http://pastebin.com/nC3imHuJ |
| 13:04.34 | nevcairiel | its not, but the others are not widely known, but the main point is that i'm attached to the feature, not to gentoo, so if something else would offer it too and give another good reason for switching, sure why not! |
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| 13:15.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || MoP Press Tour, questions for the devs? http://bit.ly/yY0kVf || Don't forget to change your clocks tonight (if your Country does Daylight Savings), check your Smoke & Carbon Monoxide Detector batteries |
| 13:21.39 | starlon | ~hug |
| 13:21.39 | purl | ACTION hugs starlon |
| 13:21.42 | starlon | :D |
| 13:21.52 | starlon | purl: http://imgur.com/7ZXmf |
| 13:21.54 | Gnarfoz | /sigh |
| 13:22.25 | starlon | What's the sigh for, Gnarfoz? |
| 13:22.27 | Gnarfoz | work IP addresses have already made it into muscle memory... whenever I start typing an IP now, I start typing 10.149... only to realize that I'm not at work |
| 13:22.32 | karl_w_w | uses Wing Clip on starlon |
| 13:22.35 | Gnarfoz | ^ that |
| 13:22.44 | starlon | gasps at karl_w_w. |
| 13:22.54 | karl_w_w | cackles |
| 13:23.03 | starlon | chortles. |
| 13:23.10 | starlon | :O |
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| 13:27.23 | Mikk | Gnarfoz: ipv6 will cure that |
| 13:27.46 | Mikk | unless you're the kind of guy that like to memorize pi to 40 decimals |
| 13:30.34 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: good thing we'll never use it |
| 13:36.09 | Mikk | butbut 2011 was the year when everyone got ipv6! |
| 13:36.12 | Mikk | the news said so! |
| 13:39.50 | nevcairiel | internal company networks will probably be the last place to ever adopt ipv6 |
| 13:40.04 | nevcairiel | the 10. net is just big enough :p |
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| 13:43.49 | bluspacecow | kk BBL torchwood made me late for gyms! |
| 13:46.35 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: unless they want all computers to have a public IP |
| 13:48.56 | nevcairiel | workstations and a public ip? I want to see that company |
| 13:50.51 | Maldivia | you can still firewall etc |
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| 13:52.20 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 13:52.20 | purl | http://enUS.nydus.battle.net/D3/enUS/alert or http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 13:52.46 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: it's not 2pm PDT yey |
| 13:52.50 | Maldivia | yet* |
| 13:52.52 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 14:41.58 | Stanzilla | http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/KillBotX/ndalol.jpg |
| 14:41.59 | Stanzilla | nom |
| 14:43.27 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: Is that the latest version? I'm not sure why that index (roll type) is nil, but it should barf a readable error at you in theory |
| 14:44.08 | Gnarfoz | Xuerian: whatever was current a few hours ago |
| 14:44.17 | Gnarfoz | actually, doesn't it say in the error dump which rev it is |
| 14:44.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, z1-beta |
| 14:44.38 | Xuerian | Yeah, you're running z1 and latest is z1a |
| 14:44.43 | Gnarfoz | aha |
| 14:44.59 | Gnarfoz | when did you push that? ;) |
| 14:45.06 | Gnarfoz | also, it's LFR, if that makes a difference |
| 14:45.48 | Stanzilla | guess Xuerian can't wait till I pixel-nazi his new addon :O |
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| 14:46.37 | Gnarfoz | the new layout is way too huge, btw |
| 14:46.49 | Gnarfoz | (and you reset anchor positions! I don't know where they were before :() |
| 14:47.11 | BlackNet | uhm pixel nazi? |
| 14:47.17 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: It shouldn't make a difference, but I guess I could have missed a roll type? |
| 14:47.40 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: Well, this is a complete re-write, I changed from ace2db to a simple version |
| 14:47.50 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: eh wha? |
| 14:48.01 | Gnarfoz | that would seem likely, since it's a roll type error :D |
| 14:48.14 | Stanzilla | nvm! |
| 14:48.58 | Maldivia | so... apparently this is what happens when your video gets too much attention: http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/jason-russell-video-naked-meltdown-kony/ |
| 14:49.24 | Gnarfoz | the fuck is wrong with people and this Kony shit |
| 14:51.20 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Oh, right. Well, you'll have fun with the roll button text but the rest actually should be petty good |
| 14:52.33 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: Yeah, but in theory it just shouldn't do anything if a unaccountedfor roll type is received, really. |
| 14:52.40 | Gnarfoz | I dunno :) |
| 14:53.51 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: yeah, well I guess the best plan only lasts past the first shot fired |
| 14:54.03 | Xuerian | Anyway, post the message you get |
| 14:54.33 | Gnarfoz | what message? |
| 14:54.46 | Gnarfoz | you mean in case I get the error with z1a, too? |
| 14:55.09 | Xuerian | You'll get a chat frame message if that happens in z1a |
| 14:55.12 | Gnarfoz | kk |
| 15:01.31 | foxlit | Can I sell you a different versioning scheme? |
| 15:02.02 | foxlit | Your next release should be called "Kitten 17 Adorable Bunny A(d)" |
| 15:04.41 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.08 | Xuerian | foxlit: o_0.. I would never include bunnies in my version name |
| 15:08.25 | foxlit | Kangaroos, then |
| 15:08.47 | Xuerian | Tempting. |
| 15:09.21 | foxlit | I'm up to J :( |
| 15:09.39 | foxlit | and Juliet is somewhat unappealing :( |
| 15:10.14 | Xuerian | There's a witty comeback in there somewhere, but since I just woke up it's staying in there somewhere |
| 15:11.20 | foxlit | Not convinced you need a comeback, though. |
| 15:11.30 | Xuerian | I wasn't either, but I figured I should cover my bases. |
| 15:13.32 | foxlit | http://imgur.com/a/IZt83 |
| 15:13.39 | foxlit | and http://imgur.com/xgd9q |
| 15:16.37 | starlon | Torhal: http://imgur.com/o7qQ8 |
| 15:18.02 | BlackNet | LOL friend of mine just created a guild called 'ebay' |
| 15:18.17 | BlackNet | bank alt |
| 15:18.25 | starlon | lol |
| 15:19.19 | foxlit | totally reportable, your friend is. |
| 15:19.34 | foxlit | no commas in yoda talk there are :( |
| 15:19.36 | BlackNet | it's all good |
| 15:20.40 | starlon | yoda's in a comma? |
| 15:20.48 | starlon | troooolls. |
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| 15:38.31 | Wobin | Stanzilla: is that ndalol MoP? |
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| 15:39.28 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:39.44 | Wobin | I'm glad they did that |
| 15:39.48 | Stanzilla | https://picasaweb.google.com/110428803986417436483/MoP#5721200566354823874 for more |
| 15:39.54 | Wobin | and didn't totally sexpot the female panda up |
| 15:40.39 | Humbedooh | that's one mean cow |
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| 15:41.17 | Wobin | wait |
| 15:41.19 | Wobin | scholomance? |
| 15:41.55 | foxlit | scholmance! |
| 15:42.08 | foxlit | [designing new dungeons is hard.] |
| 15:42.23 | Wobin | I've always wondered if whatsisface, in the Armory got cold in his outfit |
| 15:42.44 | foxlit | It's probably challenge modes coupled with new old heroics. |
| 15:42.54 | foxlit | herod? |
| 15:42.59 | Wobin | that's the bunny |
| 15:45.32 | Wobin | oh oglaf |
| 15:45.44 | Wobin | 'ridiculous' doesn't even cover you =P |
| 15:46.02 | Zasurus | Anyone know of a way (other than hooking SendChatMessage) to get back the AFK or DND message currently set? |
| 15:49.18 | Wobin | hook Chat_msg_system and parse for the You are now AFK? |
| 15:49.27 | Wobin | oh the message itself |
| 15:49.33 | Wobin | no idea |
| 15:49.48 | Wobin | send yourself a whisper =P |
| 15:50.00 | Mikk | Zasurus: hooksecurefunc() SendChatMessage |
| 15:50.03 | Mikk | seems about the right idea |
| 15:50.09 | Mikk | won't taint the UI |
| 15:50.26 | Cide | why would you hook SCM? |
| 15:50.28 | Mikk | then again |
| 15:50.30 | Cide | just send a whisper |
| 15:50.34 | Cide | and hide the event |
| 15:50.40 | Wobin | ^ |
| 15:50.42 | Maldivia | Cide: because SendChatMessage with DND as channel, is the way to set the message |
| 15:50.50 | Cide | oic |
| 15:50.57 | Cide | that's a fucked up API design |
| 15:51.00 | Mikk | yes |
| 15:51.07 | Wobin | Cide: welcome to -how- many years ago? =P |
| 15:51.17 | Mikk | chat in general is a fucked up api |
| 15:51.50 | Wobin | it's always been somewhat terrible |
| 15:53.12 | Mikk | mm.. in many parts of the UI, the API is tied too closely to how the UI looks |
| 15:53.19 | Mikk | like all those SetSelected() calls |
| 15:53.20 | Mikk | whut |
| 15:53.31 | Mikk | is Lua somehow incapable of keeping state of what row is selected? i think not. |
| 15:53.57 | Zasurus | Mikk: Yer doing it that way just wondered if there was a GetAFKMsg() I had managed to miss! LOL |
| 15:54.02 | Zasurus | Thanks |
| 15:54.04 | foxlit | It's rather obvious: they did not design the UI by saying "Hey, we'll write a UI in Lua" |
| 15:54.43 | Mikk | Mhm. It's fairly obvious Lua came into the picture later on. |
| 15:54.55 | Wobin | I visualised a poster board covered in sticky notes, and a dart set labelled "API" |
| 15:54.58 | Mikk | C -> XML -> Lua |
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| 16:20.58 | Fisker | what to do Wobin ? |
| 16:21.08 | Wobin | Play Anachronox |
| 16:23.09 | Fisker | nope? |
| 16:23.26 | Wobin | why not? |
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| 16:31.04 | Fisker | cause |
| 16:31.05 | Fisker | want to play something else |
| 16:31.29 | Wobin | Finished Anachronox? |
| 16:32.19 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:32.29 | Wobin | Then go play it. It's awesome |
| 16:32.43 | bluspacecow | anachrono wa ? |
| 16:32.46 | Shirik | you know what else is awesome? |
| 16:32.47 | Shirik | the wow tcg |
| 16:32.52 | karl_w_w | Fisker: play the clarinet |
| 16:32.58 | Wobin | Fisker can't play that alone though |
| 16:33.19 | Wobin | http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/anachronox |
| 16:33.20 | Shirik | I had a dream where I was playing the flute last night |
| 16:33.24 | Shirik | for some reason I knew how to play it |
| 16:33.36 | Wobin | and you woke up and your roomate was suprisingly chipper? |
| 16:33.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 16:33.47 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:34.44 | Stanzilla | bet Shirik can teach the flesh flute now |
| 16:34.59 | Fisker | nope Wobin |
| 16:35.37 | Wobin | or Planescape Torment |
| 16:36.02 | Wobin | actually, Under A Steel Sky is a good time waster |
| 16:36.16 | Jammer | Shirik: maybe it was a sign that you should learn to play the flute |
| 16:37.15 | Shirik | no |
| 16:37.18 | Shirik | cello > flute |
| 16:37.58 | Fisker | think i'll play some TF2 Wobin |
| 16:38.15 | Wobin | looks like it |
| 16:38.40 | Fisker | thanks for being terrible Shirik :( |
| 16:38.45 | Wobin | I highly recommend Anachronox as an awesome game |
| 16:38.50 | Wobin | Fisker notwithstanding |
| 16:39.01 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=482561436&oldid=481858149 |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | what |
| 16:39.04 | Wobin | and cheap |
| 16:39.56 | Wobin | oh they said 'lol' |
| 16:40.00 | Wobin | that makes it better |
| 16:40.14 | Wobin | that's an internet rule |
| 16:42.00 | Fisker | didn't say it wasn't awesome Wobin |
| 16:46.22 | Wobin | just that you didn't want to play it |
| 16:56.22 | Sintacks | ever go to change realm, and forget to click on another realm ... |
| 16:57.23 | bluspacecow | derpity derp derp |
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| 18:12.40 | ccox | http://www.wimp.com/littlegirl/ |
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| 18:20.59 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 18:20.59 | purl | http://enUS.nydus.battle.net/D3/enUS/alert or http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 18:29.33 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 18:30.09 | bluspacecow | FISKER |
| 18:30.22 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4216982756?page=2#22 |
| 18:30.24 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 18:31.00 | Alram | L O L |
| 18:31.50 | foxlit | bluspacecow: you should all be banned from the forums forever? |
| 18:31.57 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 18:32.01 | bluspacecow | meanie. |
| 18:32.16 | bluspacecow | so mean! |
| 18:34.14 | Fisker | i wish i had US forums access when the warden retard posted |
| 18:34.33 | bluspacecow | you saw that thread ? |
| 18:34.39 | bluspacecow | so much misinformation in that thread |
| 18:35.14 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:35.17 | bluspacecow | luckly it was locked before I go there otherwise i would of stayed up late researched it |
| 18:35.30 | foxlit | "would of" |
| 18:35.33 | Fisker | not much to research :( |
| 18:35.35 | foxlit | banned from the forums forever, I say! |
| 18:35.38 | Fisker | site is full of shit |
| 18:35.40 | Fisker | always were |
| 18:35.59 | bluspacecow | foxlit y u so mean? |
| 18:37.04 | foxlit | not mean. Perhaps you're reading that in the wrong tone of voice. |
| 18:37.14 | bluspacecow | sexy then |
| 18:37.22 | foxlit | also, "y u" -- for-ev-er! |
| 18:38.53 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCv4c7dFzVw |
| 18:39.00 | karl_w_w | what just happened o.O |
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| 19:11.37 | Gnarfoz | he's so mean because you're so mean to the english language |
| 19:14.10 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 19:14.14 | bluspacecow | sleep tiems |
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| 19:26.24 | karl_w_w | ~ping |
| 19:26.24 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:27.06 | Maldivia | ~pong |
| 19:27.06 | purl | ~ping |
| 19:27.11 | Maldivia | ~botsnack |
| 19:27.11 | purl | Maldivia: aw, gee |
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| 20:33.09 | Gnarfoz | has 2pm PDT already passed? |
| 20:33.33 | foxlit | probably not. |
| 20:34.55 | Stanzilla | http://imgur.com/gallery/Bexnp |
| 20:34.56 | Stanzilla | hahaah |
| 20:35.05 | Gnarfoz | but I have PST in my windows clock and that's at 1:30 |
| 20:35.06 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 20:35.11 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't PDT be 2:30 |
| 20:35.20 | Gnarfoz | fucking timezones, how do they work |
| 20:35.33 | pompy | Gnarfoz: 25 more mins |
| 20:35.46 | Gnarfoz | so I guess I can rename the clock, then |
| 20:35.46 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:35.53 | foxlit | screw that, you should learn UTC offsets instead |
| 20:36.09 | Gnarfoz | don't need to, windows only knows PST |
| 20:36.14 | foxlit | for instance, I've looked up that PDT is UTC-7, and now I suddenty know what time that is. |
| 20:36.14 | Gnarfoz | which it says is -8 |
| 20:37.06 | Gnarfoz | (durrr, I know the offsets. basically, I'm asking why windows is displaying crap) |
| 20:37.16 | Thunder_Child | PT flips from D to S |
| 20:37.24 | Gnarfoz | you don't say??? :D |
| 20:37.27 | Thunder_Child | i do say |
| 20:37.54 | foxlit | also wrong: the way you use S in times |
| 20:38.06 | foxlit | It's "Summer," not "Standard." |
| 20:38.18 | Gnarfoz | they're the US, what did you expect? |
| 20:38.54 | Thunder_Child | i have to agree that DST is always a flaming pile of poo |
| 20:39.03 | Gnarfoz | nobody said *that* |
| 20:39.05 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:39.13 | Thunder_Child | it was infered |
| 20:39.18 | Gnarfoz | you inferred it! :P |
| 20:39.34 | Iriel | Windows is displaying crap because either (a) the date is wrong (b) it's not set to switch automatically © it's not been patched with current timezone data |
| 20:40.07 | Gnarfoz | the date is right (why wouldn't it be), b) why would it switch, I'm not in that timezone c) I doubt that |
| 20:40.19 | Maldivia | just google "current time in irvine" |
| 20:40.24 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: nooooo |
| 20:40.30 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: that's TOO DAMN EASY |
| 20:40.33 | Gnarfoz | "additional clocks" feature in win7 ;) |
| 20:40.44 | Arrowmaster | watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4 |
| 20:41.04 | Gnarfoz | of course I know a hundred different ways to figure out the time, I just want the way I want to use to work :( |
| 20:41.18 | Gnarfoz | is it made by USians? |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | "the vast majority of the world" - right, that's why half the map is colored as using DST |
| 20:42.09 | Gnarfoz | durrrrrr |
| 20:42.32 | Arrowmaster | the map isnt uniform |
| 20:42.41 | Arrowmaster | just look at where the equator is on it |
| 20:42.45 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 20:42.57 | Gnarfoz | I'm not going to bother discussing DST with USians :D |
| 20:43.13 | Arrowmaster | i agree its stupid |
| 20:43.52 | Maldivia | it's time to stop using DST before it hits 100 years of use |
| 20:44.50 | Arrowmaster | those in flordia will bitch because they happen to be just on the curve of sunlight where they are in the dark while most of the east coast has sunlight |
| 20:45.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah about the 4 minute point in that video is where it gets to the point everybody should see |
| 20:45.32 | Thunder_Child | but who care sabout florida? |
| 20:47.06 | Arrowmaster | and about the 5m8s part |
| 20:47.10 | Arrowmaster | is just stupid |
| 20:49.39 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:49.43 | Gnarfoz | really? |
| 20:50.05 | Gnarfoz | excusing apple's inability to make a working alarm clock with "DST is madness, yo" |
| 20:50.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont accept excuses because the tz database is updated regularly and does a terrific job |
| 20:51.28 | Arrowmaster | then people come along and fuck it up like this |
| 20:51.32 | Arrowmaster | http://www.mattb.net.nz/blog/2012/03/17/kindle-reading-stats/ |
| 20:51.58 | Arrowmaster | example of a kindle recording log files in 3 different timezone offsets at once |
| 20:52.04 | Arrowmaster | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 20:52.33 | Arrowmaster | everybody else on linux based devices seems to do fine with timezones |
| 20:52.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:53.00 | Arrowmaster | especially if they use gnu tools, but mobile devices dont |
| 20:53.07 | Shirik | and here I was stressing out over the fact that my logs are 15 seconds off |
| 20:53.15 | Shirik | they can't even get the hour right? :) |
| 20:53.40 | Arrowmaster | seriously how do you get 3 different daemons thinking its 3 different timezones |
| 20:53.56 | Arrowmaster | logs should never be recorded in anything but UTC anyway though |
| 20:54.04 | Shirik | agree |
| 20:54.31 | Arrowmaster | let a shinny log reader program convert the time for you if you must have it localized |
| 20:54.48 | Shirik | only problem with UTC is it's not contiguous |
| 20:55.06 | Shirik | or it periodically violates the definition of a "minute" |
| 20:55.07 | Shirik | either way |
| 20:55.21 | Arrowmaster | you mean the leap seconds? |
| 20:55.25 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:55.25 | Maldivia | wouldn't call it periodically |
| 20:55.37 | Shirik | Maldivia: Occasionally? |
| 20:55.45 | Arrowmaster | unix epoch doesnt account for leap seconds |
| 20:55.59 | Shirik | eh? |
| 20:56.06 | Shirik | So they're not on UTC? |
| 20:56.08 | Maldivia | Shirik: better :) |
| 20:56.12 | Shirik | or does it just "deal with it at the next time sync" |
| 20:56.23 | Shirik | at which point it becomes non-contiguous :P |
| 20:56.32 | Arrowmaster | the tzdatabase has an offset for converting unix epoch to UTC |
| 20:56.36 | Arrowmaster | depending on the date |
| 20:56.43 | Shirik | including seconds? |
| 20:56.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:56.48 | Shirik | huh |
| 20:56.53 | Shirik | so they're actually on GPS time then |
| 20:57.03 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:57.13 | Arrowmaster | well im not sure what GPS time is exactly |
| 20:57.20 | Shirik | right now it's UTC + 15 seconds |
| 20:57.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:57.42 | Thunder_Child | that cant be good |
| 20:57.46 | Arrowmaster | theres about a 15 second difference |
| 20:57.46 | Thunder_Child | why did i go? |
| 20:57.58 | Shirik | because your host closed the connection |
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| 20:58.14 | Thunder_Child | Thank you Capt. Obvious |
| 20:58.19 | Shirik | :D |
| 20:58.34 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time has a nice table showing it |
| 20:58.53 | Maldivia | if you want to know the exact seconds since Jan 1st 1970, then yeah, unix time is currently 24 seconds off |
| 20:59.53 | Shirik | ah, GPS week 0 is actually in 1980 |
| 21:00.13 | Shirik | but that table seems to argue that leap seconds are handled in unix time |
| 21:00.19 | Shirik | (by "handled" I mean time repeats |
| 21:00.44 | Maldivia | it repeats, in the sense that next time sync corrects it |
| 21:00.57 | Arrowmaster | well you cant express every second before during and after a leap second in unix time though |
| 21:01.14 | Arrowmaster | as unique seconds |
| 21:01.51 | Arrowmaster | you can in UTC since you are allowed to go upto 24:01 i think in proper UTC time handling |
| 21:02.00 | Shirik | in GPS time they just completely ignore the concept of leap seconds, so a GPS receiver spitting out GPS time will be currently 15 seconds ahead of UTC |
| 21:02.06 | Shirik | they just keep counting up |
| 21:02.17 | Shirik | so GPS day rolls over 15 seconds before UTC currently, every day |
| 21:02.34 | Maldivia | in utc time, you would have 23:59.59, 23:59.60, 00:00.00 |
| 21:02.35 | Shirik | (which, btw, makes for incredibly annoying code) |
| 21:03.11 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: yeah thats what i ment except i thought there was the possibility of 2 leap seconds in a day |
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| 21:03.18 | mikma | shirik: lol lol lol |
| 21:03.24 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: 1 is max |
| 21:03.28 | mikma | shirik: sounds really rediculous |
| 21:03.37 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: you can have 2 per year - June 30th, and December 31st |
| 21:03.39 | Shirik | theoretically there can be a -1 |
| 21:03.52 | Shirik | but I think they've proven they'll not do that for a really long time |
| 21:04.28 | Maldivia | Shirik: well, perhaps earth's rotation will speed up at some point |
| 21:05.07 | Shirik | mikma: They do it because the math behind GPS relies on a perfectly contiguous timeline. The satellites send the GPS-UTC correction as part of their song. |
| 21:06.34 | mikma | shirik: let's hope that gps gets shot down from the sky then |
| 21:06.39 | Shirik | what why |
| 21:06.49 | mikma | cause there's a better system rising already! |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | GPS is pretty good |
| 21:07.07 | Arrowmaster | which? theres 3 operational right now i thought |
| 21:07.24 | mikma | sure, if you like to use system monitored by the US Military |
| 21:07.31 | Shirik | so um |
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| 21:07.48 | Arrowmaster | i thought russia and china had their own systems in place |
| 21:07.50 | Shirik | a GPS satellite receiver sends nothing to the satellite |
| 21:07.59 | mikma | sure it doesn't |
| 21:08.01 | Shirik | it's pretty hard to monitor silence |
| 21:08.18 | mikma | and smartphones don't spy on their users |
| 21:08.39 | nevcairiel | fact of the matter is, if the US military starts another war, the accuracy of GPS goes down a notch =p |
| 21:08.46 | Shirik | THAT much is true |
| 21:08.53 | Shirik | actually the accuracy of GPS is already intentionally compromised |
| 21:09.03 | Shirik | but it will probably go further :P |
| 21:09.17 | Gnarfoz | uhm, no it's not at the moment |
| 21:09.20 | mikma | legends tell that only us mil has the sharp location match with gps |
| 21:09.23 | mikma | up to ... 30cm? |
| 21:09.44 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: It is |
| 21:10.07 | Shirik | I currently have access to a SAASM receiver I promise you it can get a lot better |
| 21:10.08 | Gnarfoz | I hope you're not thinking of that coarse blah/selective availability thing |
| 21:10.13 | Gnarfoz | because that's been off for years |
| 21:10.14 | Arrowmaster | ive always wonder if scientific purposes get access to that more accurate gps, like measuring Continental drift and stuff |
| 21:10.38 | mikma | arrowmaster: http://www.esa.int/esaNA/galileo.html |
| 21:11.03 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah. P-Key thingies (or whatever the term is, military use) is more accurate, but not because the rest is being 'made intentionally inaccurate', if I understand the mechnics behind it correctly |
| 21:11.43 | Gnarfoz | mikma: what's going to be *really* interesting is combined GPS/Galileo/GLONASS/Chinathingy receivers. |
| 21:11.56 | nevcairiel | I doubt any of us will ever know if the US is giving us full GPS quality or not =p |
| 21:12.02 | mikma | gnarfoz: hell yeah |
| 21:12.07 | Shirik | I guess it might have to do with the fact that C/A only locks onto L1 (I believe) |
| 21:12.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sure we do |
| 21:12.25 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 21:12.31 | mikma | galileo, "It is inter-operable with GPS and Glonass, the two other global satellite navigation systems." |
| 21:13.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: because? every civilian user gets the same quality at the moment... or what did you want to say |
| 21:13.42 | nevcairiel | thats what you think, but where is the proof? :) |
| 21:13.48 | Shirik | I thought they were launching a new constellation soon though |
| 21:13.53 | Shirik | which was supposed to be better |
| 21:14.24 | nevcairiel | also, "same quality for everyone" doesn't really address anything, horrible quality across the board is still horrible quality |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | consistent, but still horrible. :P |
| 21:14.42 | Shirik | horrible? |
| 21:14.55 | Shirik | Even for civilian code I think it's remarkable what GPS can do |
| 21:14.57 | nevcairiel | i was just making a point |
| 21:15.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:15.08 | Shirik | I see |
| 21:15.24 | Gnarfoz | at this point, it's mostly the receivers doing the magic |
| 21:15.38 | Gnarfoz | because GPS signals are like, ultra low intensity |
| 21:16.27 | nevcairiel | All i'm saying is that we will never know how much of GPSes capabilities we are missing out which are reserved for military use, and in the event of another ... conflict .. they may turn it down again |
| 21:16.50 | Shirik | I'm more interested in the technology that keeps GPS secure |
| 21:16.54 | Shirik | than the precision |
| 21:17.17 | mikma | i'm not fond of the idea that GPS satellites are covering the whole world :P |
| 21:17.20 | nevcairiel | as you pointed out earlier, its a one-way communication, whats there to be secure? |
| 21:17.22 | foxlit | trivial public key crypto would do the trick? |
| 21:17.32 | mikma | why knows what technology they have added in |
| 21:17.38 | Shirik | foxlit: It would, but that relies on you making the decryption key a classified key |
| 21:17.47 | foxlit | so what? |
| 21:17.54 | foxlit | I bet your nuclear launch codes are classified, too. |
| 21:18.00 | Shirik | well here's the thing |
| 21:18.05 | mikma | penis |
| 21:18.17 | Gnarfoz | this would only apply to P(Y) anyway, who cares about how the US military keeps their bombs secure |
| 21:18.29 | Gnarfoz | (or were you thinking of something other) |
| 21:18.40 | Shirik | the classified decryption key is actually encrypted when distributed, and the encrypted version of it is unclassified. And you load that directly into the receiver. Inside the receiver is "magic" that decrypts it into the classified key |
| 21:18.51 | Shirik | so now if you're going to do that, you need to make the receiver classified |
| 21:18.53 | Shirik | but it's not |
| 21:19.10 | Gnarfoz | I bet I can't buy one |
| 21:19.14 | Shirik | instead, they put so much technology in it that they are convinced that it's impossible to get the classified key out of it (that technology is also classified) |
| 21:19.28 | foxlit | "Shirik: but it's not" << part of it clearly is? |
| 21:19.40 | Arrowmaster | take your receiver apart and put it under an electron microscope and i bet we can crack it |
| 21:19.41 | Shirik | there's the classified key that nobody ever handles, yes |
| 21:19.46 | Gnarfoz | btw, lolol P code for military use has 10x the data rate as the civilian one |
| 21:19.50 | karl_w_w | straw poll, does being tired make you less receptive to pain? |
| 21:19.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: idea is that taking it apart would cause it to destroy the key |
| 21:20.06 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: more so, if anything :| |
| 21:20.10 | foxlit | and presumably nobody tells you how to make your own "magic" |
| 21:20.25 | Shirik | There are two places in the world that can make that "magic" thing |
| 21:20.44 | Gnarfoz | at least, that's what they think/tell you |
| 21:20.45 | mikma | karl_w_w: yes |
| 21:20.51 | Shirik | ok, fair enough Gnarfoz |
| 21:20.59 | Gnarfoz | are both places in the US? |
| 21:21.18 | Shirik | still the concept that the key that decrypts GPS P(Y) code is unclassified is still interesting to me |
| 21:21.22 | Arrowmaster | no, foxxcon factories in china |
| 21:21.27 | Shirik | I didn't bother to ask |
| 21:21.41 | mikma | well ask |
| 21:22.28 | foxlit | Shirik: I'm rather not impressed. |
| 21:22.43 | Shirik | yes, because it's totally not awkward to go up to my boss and go "hey, remember when you told me there were 2 facilities that can make a SAASM crypto module? Where might those be?" |
| 21:22.52 | foxlit | This is still merely public key encryption and tamper-proof hardware |
| 21:22.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:23.04 | Fisker | A |
| 21:23.16 | Shirik | But in my opinion nothing is tamper-proof |
| 21:23.16 | Arrowmaster | if you give me enough hardware im sure i can get past the tamper proof part of it |
| 21:23.19 | Shirik | tamper-resistant, sure |
| 21:23.56 | mikma | shirik: why not? i'm ok to go and talk explosive-factories with MY boss! lol lol |
| 21:23.57 | Fisker | I want to tamper with you shirik |
| 21:24.16 | Gnarfoz | those are for women, Fisker |
| 21:24.19 | mikma | shirik: talk about* |
| 21:26.23 | Shirik | and this entire conversation was brought about by Kindle's logging failure |
| 21:26.34 | Arrowmaster | hehe |
| 21:26.52 | mikma | shirik: yes, throw us a bone |
| 21:27.05 | Shirik | reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series) |
| 21:27.40 | mikma | shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 21:27.42 | Iriel | Shirik: now there's a blast from the past |
| 21:28.34 | Shirik | I actually didn't realize it was that old until you said that |
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| 21:30.58 | Iriel | Shirik: I remember watching it when it came out |
| 21:31.18 | Iriel | Though given how long ago that was, not the detailed content 8-) |
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| 22:40.36 | Fisker | naps on jnwhiteh |
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| 22:48.26 | kd3 | wth |
| 22:48.49 | kd3 | the pollen scale stops at 500... we nearly hit 4000 today |
| 22:49.03 | kd3 | pollen clouds were spotted just drifting along roads. horrifying |
| 22:49.10 | Corrodias | nice |
| 22:52.27 | BlackNet | mostly tree pollen |
| 22:55.23 | Thunder_Child | kd3: if the scale stops at 500, how do you know it was at 4000? |
| 22:56.37 | kd3 | http://www.atlantaallergy.com/pollenCount.aspx |
| 23:00.29 | Thunder_Child | ...500+ != 500 |
| 23:01.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=sony_dsctx66&products=canon_elph530hs&sortDir=ascending whats your vote? |
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| 23:10.04 | alestane | welcomes the wandering Cairenn back to her roost. |
| 23:16.02 | kd3 | random aside, I'm in the market for a midrange laptop. anyone have any preferences? |
| 23:16.19 | Thunder_Child | how soon do you need it? |
| 23:16.36 | Thunder_Child | and define midrange |
| 23:16.37 | kd3 | no hurry. a month? 6 weeks? |
| 23:16.52 | kd3 | not a crazy gaming godbox desktop replacement, not a netbook |
| 23:17.10 | Thunder_Child | thanks, that narrows it down... |
| 23:17.16 | Thunder_Child | are you planing on gaming with it? |
| 23:17.25 | kd3 | not really. maybe minecraft? |
| 23:18.15 | Thunder_Child | the ultrabooks that are trickling down from CES might do the trick |
| 23:22.01 | Maldivia | acer aspire s3? |
| 23:24.17 | karl_w_w | cardinal rule: if the laptop says acer on it, it's a piece of shit |
| 23:24.37 | Cide | wrong |
| 23:24.55 | Cide | my gf has an acer and it's really quite nice |
| 23:25.25 | Maldivia | the acer aspide s3 is basically a poor mans macbook air |
| 23:25.27 | Xzempt | yeah till it suffers hardware failure |
| 23:25.42 | Cide | she's had it for 4 years and it still works perfectly |
| 23:25.49 | Cide | can't speak for others' naturally |
| 23:26.08 | Thunder_Child | Lenovo in general is never a bad choice |
| 23:26.32 | Maldivia | they are also clunky and unsexy :P |
| 23:26.45 | Xzempt | thats how i like my women |
| 23:26.48 | Xzempt | clucnky and unsexy |
| 23:26.48 | Thunder_Child | i dont need my laptop to be sexy, i need it to do what i want |
| 23:26.56 | Xzempt | clunky too |
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| 23:40.34 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: does ARL have an option to make tomtom persistent waypoints? |
| 23:42.11 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: nein |
| 23:42.17 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 23:47.53 | karl_w_w | Thunder_Child: can I vote for the sony? |
| 23:48.46 | karl_w_w | the only edge the canon has is optical zoom |
| 23:55.33 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: thats my findings as well, except i have a feeling that once the canon comes out it's going to have much better resolution in all ISO's |
