| 00:00.29 | Arrowmaster | this is hilarious, Linus posted on G+ bashing SUSE and people are suggesting he try Ubuntu |
| 00:00.41 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 00:01.09 | Arrowmaster | he already very publicly bashed Gnome3 in Fedora and they are suggesting he try Ubuntu with Unity |
| 00:01.16 | kd3 | haha |
| 00:01.41 | durcyn | shocking. people use G+? |
| 00:02.09 | Arrowmaster | also people suggesting Arch when his views on a distro are that it should do most things for him while arch is a do it yourself thing |
| 00:02.43 | Adys | durcyn: yes, people use g+ |
| 00:02.56 | Adys | durcyn: hundreds of thousands use g+ daily in fact |
| 00:03.13 | Adys | durcyn: just because i dont follow anyone on twitter doesn't mean I have to be a dick about twitter being dead |
| 00:03.32 | durcyn | please take snark about your social network of choice personally |
| 00:03.33 | TC-Work | ok, so why would some .cgi pages resolve properly but others simply show code? |
| 00:03.39 | Arrowmaster | i have a twitter follower :) |
| 00:03.58 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: they in the same dir? they have the same permissions? |
| 00:04.16 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: yep, it's bugzilla. some pages work, some dont |
| 00:04.17 | Adys | durcyn: i dont like people trying to feel smarter/superior because "oh nobody uses it", it's pretty pathetic |
| 00:04.32 | Adys | TC-Work: server config maybe |
| 00:04.33 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: well ive never installed bugzilla |
| 00:04.38 | Adys | TC-Work: nginx? |
| 00:04.43 | TC-Work | no, apache |
| 00:04.44 | TC-Work | 2 |
| 00:04.55 | Adys | TC-Work: use nginx; but check the config either way |
| 00:05.06 | Adys | also dont use bugzilla :/ |
| 00:05.07 | Arrowmaster | well in apache you have to tell it that its allowed to execute the cgi files |
| 00:05.28 | TC-Work | yes, but it already dose some |
| 00:05.34 | TC-Work | does* |
| 00:05.47 | Adys | TC-Work: do you use chrome? |
| 00:05.52 | TC-Work | i thought it was only pages that needed to write to mysql |
| 00:05.54 | TC-Work | yes |
| 00:05.56 | TC-Work | no |
| 00:05.57 | TC-Work | ff |
| 00:06.08 | TC-Work | has firebug |
| 00:06.21 | Adys | TC-Work: open to the resources tab and reload the page |
| 00:06.24 | Adys | check what their mime type is |
| 00:06.35 | Adys | it sounds like they're being served as text/plain |
| 00:07.25 | Adys | Arrowmaster: how light is debian? |
| 00:07.34 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i need a distro for my old eee pc, 4gb space |
| 00:07.48 | Cide | chrome > firebug |
| 00:08.17 | Arrowmaster | Adys: assuming you dont want gnome3 |
| 00:08.37 | Adys | im thinking of putting Razor on it |
| 00:09.31 | Arrowmaster | you might want this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 00:10.14 | TC-Work | Adys: what am i looking for? |
| 00:10.26 | Adys | TC-Work: in the config files.. try grep for "mime" or something |
| 00:10.29 | Adys | or .cgi |
| 00:10.45 | Adys | TC-Work: or did you mean in firebug? |
| 00:10.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i gave a shot at installing it from grml (fuck, that thing is awesome) |
| 00:11.08 | Arrowmaster | what is the file extensions on the scripts that work and dont work |
| 00:11.15 | Adys | Arrowmaster: but it doesnt have internet access... im thinking it doesnt ship the eee's wireless drivers, those were always a pain in the fuck |
| 00:11.21 | TC-Work | Adys: i meant chrome. but i can look in the conf fiel as well |
| 00:11.32 | Adys | TC-Work: chrome = ctrl+shift+I for inspector |
| 00:11.49 | TC-Work | or f12 |
| 00:11.54 | TC-Work | but waht am i looking for |
| 00:11.56 | TC-Work | what* |
| 00:12.01 | Arrowmaster | Adys: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models |
| 00:12.52 | Arrowmaster | do you know what model you have |
| 00:13.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: first one |
| 00:13.21 | Arrowmaster | which is? |
| 00:13.24 | Adys | i dont know the model name |
| 00:13.32 | Adys | ah |
| 00:13.36 | Adys | "4G". |
| 00:13.49 | Arrowmaster | thats not a model name |
| 00:14.02 | Adys | thats what it says where it should say the model name |
| 00:14.12 | bluspacecow | pop da battery! |
| 00:14.55 | Adys | w017 |
| 00:15.10 | Adys | EEEPC-4G-W017 |
| 00:15.43 | Adys | apparently thats the 900 series |
| 00:16.36 | Arrowmaster | ok i really have no fucking clue so all i can say is just try it |
| 00:17.49 | Adys | Arrowmaster: testing or sid? |
| 00:18.00 | Adys | i dont really use it much |
| 00:18.07 | Arrowmaster | stable or testing, i would never recommend sid |
| 00:18.12 | Adys | k |
| 00:18.55 | Arrowmaster | the only time sid ever has anything major over testing is when a big set of changes is waiting to be pushed into testing that has to happen all at once |
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| 00:24.39 | Adys_ | i hate unplugging cables. |
| 00:25.31 | Arrowmaster | let me guess, router/modem power cord? |
| 00:28.53 | TC-Work | PerlSwitches -I/var/www/html/bugzilla -I/var/www/html/bugzilla/lib -w -T |
| 00:28.54 | TC-Work | PerlConfigRequire /var/www/html/bugzilla/mod_perl.pl |
| 00:28.54 | TC-Work | well i know for a fact w/o those 2 lines it no longer displays at all, not even the code |
| 00:29.09 | TC-Work | oh ffs, now it works.... |
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| 00:31.15 | Nechckn | Does anyone use the nvidia stereoscopic option with WoW? |
| 00:32.14 | Nechckn | Just wondering, because I am not finding Cataclysm in the supported apps section of the control panel. Obviously not for raiding, but was just curious to try it for some questing and to see how it is. |
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| 00:49.18 | Adys | successkid.jpg |
| 00:49.42 | Adys | Arrowmaster, mitch0: kwin dev working on splitting it off the kde repo and getting rid of many kde deps |
| 00:50.42 | bluspacecow | Ewwww stereoscopic drivers |
| 00:50.53 | bluspacecow | usually the first thing they're asked to uninstall when it crashes |
| 00:51.28 | Nechckn | True - but, knock on wood and stuff, have never had any issues, myself. |
| 00:51.36 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 00:51.49 | bluspacecow | not sure why no supported apps then :( |
| 00:52.48 | Nechckn | yeah - it lists all the rest, individually, so just sort of expected a cataclysm entry. Will have to give it a go later tonight and see if it works without it. |
| 00:53.58 | Arrowmaster | Adys: k3b still requires all of kde deps right? |
| 00:54.07 | Adys | yes afaik |
| 00:54.12 | Adys | im gonna add it to the list |
| 00:54.31 | Arrowmaster | the gnome stuff sucks |
| 00:54.43 | Sintacks | oh god. flash backs of 3.3.3 |
| 00:54.49 | Sintacks | and bad guilds |
| 00:54.57 | Sintacks | that got out progressed by pugs |
| 00:56.49 | TC-Work | so many police outside right now.... |
| 00:56.51 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i tried to burn the first season of sherlock for my aunt&uncle before thanksgiving but couldnt get a working dvd-video out of anything gnome based |
| 00:57.01 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 00:57.09 | Adys | Arrowmaster: brasero? |
| 00:57.17 | Arrowmaster | Adys: tried it, didnt work |
| 00:57.23 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child did you do something you are not telling us? |
| 00:57.24 | Adys | odd, i remember good stuff about it |
| 00:57.38 | Arrowmaster | really? it has like no options |
| 00:58.24 | Arrowmaster | i think the part for creating dvd-video was provided by a plugin that used gstreamer and was broken |
| 00:59.12 | Arrowmaster | ive heard good things about k3b but to install it would have to install half of kde |
| 00:59.20 | TC-Work | Nechckn: lots of things, but nothing that should bring this many cops....i hope |
| 01:03.06 | Nechckn | TC-Work they take those RIAA things pretty seriously, I hear. ;-) |
| 01:05.20 | Cide | is there a good macro guide nowadays? |
| 01:05.25 | Cide | now that cogwheel's is gone seemingly |
| 01:07.14 | bluspacecow | should be a copy on wowpedia somewhere |
| 01:07.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowpedia.org/Making_a_macro ? |
| 01:07.57 | Cide | ah, perfect |
| 01:07.58 | Cide | thanks |
| 01:09.45 | Cide | I found http://www.wowpedia.org/Macro_API but that wasn't very useful |
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| 01:12.00 | foxlit | heh, the hourglass I have on my desk stopped |
| 01:12.20 | Cide | awww shit |
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| 01:16.06 | TC-Work | yay, new ipad coming out soon |
| 01:16.53 | foxlit | yay? |
| 01:17.15 | TC-Work | yes |
| 01:23.57 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4079626163 |
| 01:24.00 | bluspacecow | suggestions ? |
| 01:26.09 | pompy1 | hmm steam not connecting |
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| 01:48.54 | alestane | Just noticed that my syllabus says, "Do not come to class if you have flu or plague symptoms." |
| 01:49.29 | bluspacecow | silly bus |
| 01:49.33 | bluspacecow | you bus is silly ? |
| 01:51.49 | Kaylin | plague symptoms? |
| 01:54.47 | MentalPower | basically anything that could be defined as sick :) |
| 01:54.52 | MentalPower | we use the same term here at work |
| 01:55.05 | MentalPower | BTW, Torhal|work always has the plague |
| 01:55.22 | MentalPower | and has been spreading it around for a while now |
| 01:55.32 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 01:55.48 | bluspacecow | i thought he was a zombie with the amount of tiems he's gone "BRAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNNNSSS" at me |
| 01:56.01 | Torhal | infects MentalPower. |
| 01:56.07 | Torhal | Chicken SARS, bitch! |
| 01:56.07 | bluspacecow | *ducks* |
| 01:56.24 | bluspacecow | did you just infect him with Chicken Soup ? |
| 01:56.33 | Torhal | peers at bluspacecow. |
| 01:56.38 | MentalPower | lol |
| 01:57.19 | Torhal | Being sick for a month does not count as 'always'. |
| 02:05.06 | bluspacecow | http://www.quiterly.com/3085/badass-goat?ref=nf |
| 02:05.19 | bluspacecow | http://www.theentertainingelf.com/animals/captain-cat/?ref=nf |
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| 03:00.32 | kd3 | gah. at least they had the sense to wear masks... apparently demo was going on in the bathroom the countertop I helped move yesterday... |
| 03:00.43 | kd3 | just walking upstairs you can feel the particle count in the air change |
| 03:29.56 | pompy1 | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/407204_143147469139193_100003318220797_159935_1719972280_n.jpg |
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| 03:31.22 | Arrowmaster | what is that supposed to be |
| 03:36.56 | Iriel | I imagine the idea is that there's the illusion that the dog is massive |
| 03:41.15 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: a rare breed of newfoundland for hunting bears |
| 03:44.04 | Arrowmaster | i think the image does make it look bigger than it is, because it cant be bigger than giant george |
| 04:03.08 | bluspacecow | hai2u Cairenn |
| 04:03.15 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 04:15.02 | Cairenn | WTF?!?! http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/three_fifth-grade_students_attempt_to_poison_their_teacher/bbe2dcf1 |
| 04:20.14 | pompy1 | http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/416932_10151345605585437_672030436_23105183_853673584_n.jpg i see what they did thurr. |
| 04:21.16 | Dagmar | "Can you imagine what would have happened had the teacher taken a bite of the cupcake?" |
| 04:21.23 | Dagmar | Horrible diarrhea. |
| 04:21.46 | Arrowmaster | depends how much was in it probably |
| 04:21.53 | Cairenn | I want to know wtf is wrong with those kids! |
| 04:21.54 | Dagmar | It would need to be a _lot_. |
| 04:22.00 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Depersonalization. |
| 04:22.02 | Cairenn | Doesn't matter |
| 04:22.08 | Corrodias | California, folks! |
| 04:22.28 | Corrodias | "they tried to murder someone, but gosh, i just don't want 'em to be disciplined or something..." |
| 04:22.31 | Dagmar | If you ate as much as a rat does you'd probably be unlikely to even notice. |
| 04:22.36 | Cairenn | The fact that they tried, twice. is the point |
| 04:22.49 | Dagmar | Sending them to juvie isn't likely to work. |
| 04:22.54 | Dagmar | They need a shrink. |
| 04:23.11 | Corrodias | perhaps. let's try that. not just doing nothing. |
| 04:23.21 | Arrowmaster | they need both |
| 04:23.29 | Cairenn | They need to experience some sort of ... yeah |
| 04:23.32 | Dagmar | either they watch too much FOX news, or they weren't thinking of the teacher as a person but as an "adversary" |
| 04:23.51 | Cairenn | Regardless. WTF is wrong with those kids?! |
| 04:24.00 | Dagmar | Normal people don't up and decide to kill other people. They'll kill "things" and "animals". |
| 04:24.05 | Arrowmaster | not necessarily continuous confinement but at least a months worth spread out over weekends or school breaks |
| 04:24.14 | Cairenn | Their families need some serious scrutiny too, imo |
| 04:24.21 | Corrodias | actually, check this out. "Currently the students are at The Phoenix Academy, a school for children with disciplinary problems." |
| 04:24.41 | Dagmar | Yeah that's a great move. Sending them to a school where they'll be treated as defective sub-humans. |
| 04:24.41 | Corrodias | so that's a start |
| 04:24.48 | Dagmar | More depersonalization. |
| 04:24.53 | Corrodias | well, Dagmar, pick one. |
| 04:24.58 | Corrodias | you have to do something. |
| 04:25.09 | Dagmar | Different school, intense psychotherapy. |
| 04:25.18 | Corrodias | fix the system, if you want to. in the meantime, the system has to do something about them. |
| 04:25.34 | Corrodias | fine! then it's off to the courts and you'll need an insanity plea, which i doubt you'll succeed at. |
| 04:25.58 | Corrodias | i doubt they'd truly pass THAT test. |
| 04:26.11 | Dagmar | They would be very likely to get it |
| 04:26.29 | Dagmar | That's sociopathic behaviour. |
| 04:26.38 | Cairenn | Quite |
| 04:27.09 | Corrodias | aren't most homicides? |
| 04:27.52 | Corrodias | i won't claim to have any expertise here. you may be right. i don't see how this is different from most cases of attempted homicide. |
| 04:28.07 | Dagmar | Hot-blooded killing is a different thing from cold-blooded killing. |
| 04:28.18 | Dagmar | It is an _entirely_ different thing. |
| 04:28.40 | Cairenn | This was premeditated though, absolutely and unequivocally |
| 04:28.44 | Corrodias | Wisconsin in particular has a defense to degrade a charge of first-degree homicide to second-degree if you were provoked |
| 04:28.51 | Corrodias | i don't think that's what you mean, though, and i don't know what you mean. |
| 04:29.32 | Corrodias | cold-blooded vs hot-blooded, they didn't feel the passion of combat or what? |
| 04:29.49 | Dagmar | Absolutely it was pre-meditated. That wasn't the adrenal gland triggering a fight-or-flight reflex. That was frontal-cortex work. |
| 04:30.03 | kd3 | I generally translate cold-blooded as premeditated and hot-blooded being fight-or-flight/getting into the heat of an argument |
| 04:30.14 | Corrodias | oh. so it -was- what i was talking about. |
| 04:30.25 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:30.32 | Corrodias | but yeah, premeditated, unprovoked attempt is actually the worse kind, at least in my state |
| 04:30.35 | Dagmar | Sane people don't up and decide a life is a trivial "cost". |
| 04:31.00 | Dagmar | They have to be pushed into it, or trained into it, or be sociopathic. |
| 04:31.02 | Corrodias | and it still doesn't automatically qualify you for hospitalization. |
| 04:31.17 | Corrodias | at least as far as i know. |
| 04:31.44 | Dagmar | The fight-or-flight reflex is a survival trait for much the same reaosn. |
| 04:32.10 | Dagmar | If that kicks in and you're the one who lives, you get a continued chance at passing on your genes. |
| 04:32.30 | Corrodias | i'm not saying it's not a good idea to send the kids down the mental river. but i don't have cause to believe that the law automatically considers attempted homicide without provocation to be a qualification for that. |
| 04:32.33 | Dagmar | Otherwise, the survival trait is cooperation, or at least not killing each other. |
| 04:32.49 | Corrodias | why are you explaining this? |
| 04:33.00 | Dagmar | The law doesn't really care much beyond first or second or third degree, which are all tied to mental states. |
| 04:33.07 | Dagmar | A shrink, on the other hand will care. |
| 04:33.23 | Dagmar | Corrodias: because I've seen kids go down that road |
| 04:33.23 | Corrodias | about what? |
| 04:33.45 | Dagmar | A shrink will care about how it is these kids decided that a life was a smaller thing than their annoyance with their teacher. |
| 04:34.41 | Dagmar | A juvie center is very likely to just increase their ability to depersonalize. |
| 04:35.14 | Dagmar | ...and 20 years from now they'll be on FOX saying we should up and kill a whole bunch of people because they talk smack to the press. |
| 04:35.19 | Corrodias | all right, yes. if you don't use the law to force them into a mental institution, though, i don't think they are going to bother to go through with it. |
| 04:35.48 | Dagmar | I think that perhaps they're unlikely to try to kill the mailman or something in the near-term. |
| 04:35.53 | Dagmar | They can't stay at the school they're at tho |
| 04:36.02 | Corrodias | you're talking to me about your ideal situation. i'm talking about what your options are. |
| 04:36.38 | Dagmar | The best case would be for their families to move to another state, stick them in as normal a school as they can, and get them shrinks. |
| 04:37.03 | Dagmar | This crap kinda hits home with me because I *used* to think I was the kind of person who would never take a live. |
| 04:37.05 | Dagmar | er life. |
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| 04:37.36 | Dagmar | Then some really crap things happened to me and I learned (Thankfully WITHOUT killing someone) that I _was_ actually the kind of person who could do that, under the right conditions. |
| 04:37.48 | Corrodias | if you can somehow guarantee that they won't be trying to kill anyone at that school and that they'd go through with the counseling, i'd be on board, but i don't know how you could do those things. |
| 04:37.48 | Dagmar | That took longer for me to come to grips with than the crap that caused the situation. |
| 04:38.22 | Corrodias | you'd also need to convince the parents and administrators at the new school |
| 04:38.43 | Corrodias | and students, considering they have their own desire to survive |
| 04:38.46 | Dagmar | That's what the shrink is for... To figure out if they're genuine psychopaths due to some organic dysfunction (unlikely) or if they need to be shown a more productive way of thinking about people. |
| 04:39.26 | Dagmar | Tossing them into juvie without head-shrinking would be the worst-case. |
| 04:39.30 | Corrodias | i offer a counterproposal, then, to keep them out of school. what they'd do when not in counseling sessions i do not know, but i cannot accept having them at a normal school until that determination is made. |
| 04:39.45 | Dagmar | Maybe home school them for a year with shrinkage, then move. |
| 04:40.21 | Corrodias | that might be an option. i think parents need some kind of certification to do that. |
| 04:40.23 | mckenziemc | interesting partial conversation :o |
| 04:40.42 | Dagmar | If you can pass a GED you can probably get clearance for home-schooling. |
| 04:40.45 | Corrodias | which they can get, and which would be good. |
| 04:41.11 | Dagmar | the bar for that isn't terribly high because it's contrasted to public school |
| 04:41.46 | Corrodias | mmh. whatever, as long as they're not around everyone else. |
| 04:43.26 | Dagmar | Frankly I think "the system" fucked up in that apparently after the first attempt they just "recieved disciplinary action". |
| 04:43.37 | Dagmar | I don't see any mention of psychiatric counseling or analysis there. |
| 04:43.40 | Corrodias | agreed |
| 04:44.17 | Cairenn | Well, I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that these kids didn't know exactly what they were doing, I'd say that person is (at best) naive but actually wilfully ignorant |
| 04:44.43 | Dagmar | The author of that article is under the delusion that because someone put "rehabilitation" in the description of a place that any rehabilitation is taking place. |
| 04:44.54 | Dagmar | Jail doesn't particularly rehabilitate people, either. |
| 04:45.10 | Dagmar | It limits their ability to harm others, but mainly it just puts them into a setting where they're surrounded by other fuckups. |
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| 04:45.22 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 04:45.26 | Dagmar | It just postpones the problem. |
| 04:45.50 | Corrodias | sometimes to usually. i don't have any statistics. |
| 04:46.12 | Dagmar | I could probably find some, but a more expansive case was actually made with "A Clockwork Orange" |
| 04:46.46 | Corrodias | i haven't read that |
| 04:46.56 | Dagmar | You haven't even seen the movie? |
| 04:47.03 | Dagmar | Most people have just seen the movie |
| 04:47.08 | Corrodias | no |
| 04:47.19 | Dagmar | It's pretty good. |
| 04:47.21 | Corrodias | it doesn't look enjoyable |
| 04:47.23 | kd3 | the book ramps the movie up a bit |
| 04:47.29 | Dagmar | Oh yeah, it's fairly unpleasant. |
| 04:47.30 | Corrodias | and i don't watch many movies at all |
| 04:47.58 | Dagmar | It's about a guy who's the head of a little pack of sociopath street thugs who gets sent up for murder. |
| 04:48.06 | Dagmar | Instead of throwing him in jail forever, they decide to try out something new. |
| 04:48.41 | Dagmar | They strap him into a chair, pump him full of drugs, and basically program him to feel revulsion and catalepsy at the sight of violence. |
| 04:49.21 | Dagmar | Part of the argument being that if you take away someone's ability to do evil, rather than teach him the difference between good and evil and encourage him to be good, you make him less than a man. |
| 04:49.44 | Corrodias | an interesting perspective, but not exactly a solution |
| 04:50.06 | Dagmar | Well, it highlights that taking someone's choices away is not the best option. |
| 04:50.13 | Dagmar | It's often just a band-aid. |
| 04:50.22 | Corrodias | at least, within that movie, it isn't |
| 04:50.35 | Corrodias | that's a philosophical discussion in video form, not data from real life |
| 04:50.55 | Corrodias | not that i disagree, but it's very, very far from the hypothetical statistics i mentioned |
| 04:51.21 | Dagmar | Burgess wasn't trying to compile scientific data or something. |
| 04:51.48 | Dagmar | He was trying to show that the choice is what makes a man good or evil, not what he does when he doesn't have a choice to make. |
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| 04:52.43 | Corrodias | okay |
| 04:53.09 | kd3 | wow at calculators failing at order of operations... http://i.imgur.com/tp6JI.jpg |
| 04:53.33 | Dagmar | During the experimentation on him, Burgess drives the point home further by adding to the situation that not only can he not engage in acts of vulgar violence, but that he also loses something "good". He loses his ability to listen to classical music, i.e., an appreciation of the divine. |
| 04:54.07 | Corrodias | o...kay? |
| 04:54.21 | kd3 | it's explained in the book |
| 04:54.33 | Dagmar | kd3: Wow. Did they get that firmware from the bottom of a box of cereal? |
| 04:54.48 | Corrodias | i'm sure. but i'm getting lost as to what this has to do with ensuring that the kids go to counseling. |
| 04:55.04 | Corrodias | either we're way off on a tangent, or i have completely lost the thread of conversation |
| 04:55.23 | Dagmar | Juvie just quarantines them without actually really doing much to fix them. |
| 04:56.06 | Dagmar | At that age there's every reason to believe that unless there's some abnormal brain development going on, they can be fixed. |
| 04:56.11 | Corrodias | i agreed to that. i thought you we were talking about something else. |
| 04:56.17 | Corrodias | *that we |
| 04:56.25 | Dagmar | It all comes down to carrot vs stick. |
| 04:56.49 | Corrodias | i'm going to go back to playing stuff until we move on |
| 04:57.17 | Corrodias | i don't know how to say that without being rude |
| 04:57.34 | Dagmar | No problem. |
| 04:57.42 | Dagmar | That thing I mentioned was like, 18 years ago for me. |
| 04:57.58 | Dagmar | It wasn't until about five years ago I could even mention it without expecting a nightmare or two to come a'calling |
| 04:58.20 | Dagmar | I still get a generally icky feeling about that whole subject. |
| 04:58.36 | Dagmar | ...and I hate to see other people in positions similiar to it. |
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| 05:11.58 | Iriel | kd3: ONe wonders if, because it's a "financial calculator", it may have a literal rather than algebraic mode |
| 05:12.29 | kd3 | dunno |
| 05:19.30 | Arrowmaster | but its the scientific one thats wrong |
| 05:19.38 | Shirik | did you all know that time is logarithmic? |
| 05:19.46 | Shirik | It slows down as time goes on |
| 05:21.24 | Shirik | also, Iriel, financial calculators usually do stuff like TVM, it shouldn't really do anything more crazy than that |
| 05:44.19 | Arrowmaster | http://sciencelovelsd.com/949 |
| 05:45.04 | Dagmar | hhahahaha |
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| 06:09.43 | Fisker | just gonna poop Shirik |
| 06:15.22 | TC-Work | again with that? stop eating him |
| 06:16.19 | Fisker | nope.avi |
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| 06:31.39 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 06:31.43 | Fisker | how does it ever get 1? |
| 06:33.01 | Fisker | oh |
| 06:33.34 | kd3 | it expanded (and then did the implicit multiply) the parenthesis first? |
| 06:34.13 | Fisker | yeah |
| 06:35.49 | Shirik | this is why divide should not be an operation |
| 06:35.52 | Fisker | i guess that'll teach RS Components and Farnell to not have shitty servers |
| 06:35.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:35.57 | Shirik | it should be multiply by 2^-1 |
| 06:36.03 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:36.10 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 06:36.15 | Shirik | no ty |
| 06:36.18 | Fisker | ok |
| 06:36.23 | Shirik | maybe later |
| 06:36.51 | kd3 | or just not teach pemdas? there's a more sane mnemonic that wouldn't have led to this |
| 06:37.23 | kd3 | not that I remember it off the top of my head |
| 06:39.54 | Fisker | i have to go soon Shirik |
| 06:40.04 | Fisker | which means i am unable to F5 |
| 06:40.11 | Iriel | BODMAS is the UK version |
| 06:41.01 | Iriel | Brackets, Orders (Powers/Roots), Division Multiplication, Addition Subtraction |
| 06:42.26 | Shirik | here's why we need order of operations |
| 06:42.30 | kd3 | which is the same as the US one (or at least the version I was taught/displayed in that xkcd strip)... parentheses, exponents, multiply, divide, add, subtract |
| 06:42.39 | Shirik | Because without them you get things like |
| 06:42.47 | Shirik | integral 3x+2dx |
| 06:43.00 | Shirik | which ACTUALLY means integral of (3x + 2)dx |
| 06:43.11 | Shirik | and jk on multiplying dx by 2 |
| 06:43.28 | Shirik | but no |
| 06:43.34 | Shirik | when you get to calculus suddenly you forget all that |
| 06:43.45 | Shirik | and then you get calculators that can't multiply |
| 06:43.52 | Iriel | Shirik: you dont forget it, you WISH to go back to when life was simple |
| 06:44.06 | Shirik | I actually think calculus is a lot simpler than arithmetic |
| 06:44.11 | Shirik | I can sure as hell do it a lot faster |
| 06:44.22 | Shirik | memorizing multiplication tables never helped me |
| 06:44.55 | Iriel | I guess it depends what you mean by "arithmetic" then, I'm with you on times tables. |
| 06:45.08 | Shirik | I basically mean +-/*^ |
| 06:45.09 | Iriel | Hey look at that, I can read minecraft data files in C++ now, whee |
| 06:45.17 | Iriel | I'm not _that_ out of touch afterall |
| 06:45.41 | kd3 | now all we need is a not-broken-smp protocol |
| 06:46.05 | kd3 | isn't sure mojabukkit is going to be able to deliver on that |
| 06:46.10 | Iriel | nods. |
| 06:46.16 | Iriel | I'm not super inspired.. guess we'll see |
| 06:46.19 | Iriel | anyway, sleep time |
| 06:46.33 | Shirik | bai |
| 06:47.48 | Shirik | I made a small fortune on the stock market today |
| 06:47.51 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4d99bf04619c4df0452828ac14415711.png |
| 06:48.21 | Cide | grats |
| 06:48.45 | Shirik | $0.66 gain ftw |
| 06:50.48 | Trela | Not bad. |
| 06:51.27 | Shirik | I guess the correct response is "it's not a loss" |
| 06:51.48 | Shirik | the position's still open though, we'll see where it goes |
| 06:55.01 | Arrowmaster | Adys: question about timezone settings on kde |
| 06:55.08 | Adys | ya? |
| 06:55.19 | Arrowmaster | theres a gui to change the timezone right |
| 06:55.26 | Fisker | Arrowmaster: Answer about timezone settings on kde |
| 06:55.36 | Arrowmaster | does it change the system-wide timezone? |
| 06:55.56 | Adys | Arrowmaster: doesnt that need root? if you see polkit being used there then yes |
| 06:56.05 | Adys | but the answer is "i think so" |
| 06:56.06 | Arrowmaster | well i dont have kde to check |
| 06:56.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah i thought it would |
| 06:56.37 | Arrowmaster | because i dont know of anything that would allow it to properly work in a per user setting |
| 06:57.01 | Arrowmaster | since you cant change the env vars of xorg once its running |
| 06:59.45 | Arrowmaster | i think you can change the timezone while at the gdm login screen, guessing kdm is the same |
| 07:12.37 | Dagmar | xorg doesn't really care except for writing it's logs |
| 07:12.49 | Dagmar | ...which is a matter of where the system is at more than where the user is |
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| 07:17.00 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i mean because everything you launch will inherit xorgs env vars so if you set TZ before launching xorg then you have a per user timezone |
| 07:17.28 | Arrowmaster | but you cant change that TZ env var without restarting xorg |
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| 07:20.38 | Adys | http://home.woot.com/sale/smiley-face-pancake-pan |
| 07:20.59 | Adys | if i had that, I'd use it for more than just pancake, if you catch my drift |
| 07:23.23 | Arrowmaster | who would want pancakes that small anyway |
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| 07:26.36 | Adys | gitorious is an unreliable POS |
| 07:26.54 | Adys | i love that they publish their server software, but fuck anyone who uses their hosting service |
| 07:27.02 | Arrowmaster | does it run on ruby or python? |
| 07:27.07 | Adys | ruby |
| 07:27.16 | Arrowmaster | i know its a complete bitch to setup |
| 07:27.26 | Arrowmaster | to the point of almost impossible |
| 07:27.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: wouldnt know about that, amro set it up pretty easily recently |
| 07:31.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.worldsstrangest.com/mental-floss/4-bizarre-experiments-that-should-never-be-repeated/ |
| 07:32.48 | Arrowmaster | 4th is by far the weirdest |
| 07:33.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=389984974364295&set=a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349&type=1&ref=nf |
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| 08:21.47 | Fisker | what the actual fuck Arrowmaster |
| 08:22.08 | Arrowmaster | find a new job you want? |
| 08:25.36 | Fisker | not as a dolphin mother rubbing his erection |
| 08:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | aw they turned you down fisker? |
| 08:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | don't worry, there's plenty of aquatic mammals in the sea |
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| 08:32.45 | Elkano | how is "there are plenty of fish in the ocean" going to help you if you are sitting in the middle of a desert? :( |
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| 08:48.45 | zenzio | don't suppose anyone's familiar with how I can make a checkbox (checkbutton) that only has the check part, not a label? Got five lined up next to each other, with some distance between... but the label part (which I don't use) overlaps and makes it impossible to hit the box on the adjoining one |
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| 09:16.47 | Adys | zenzio: make the label empty and set its size to 1x1 or something? |
| 09:17.19 | Adys | zenzio: otherwise its easy enough to make it yourself; one bool and two textures |
| 09:18.14 | zenzio | Adys: good point, might just go with the last one. Didn't do any extensive testing, but it seemed like your checkbox needed a global name in order to find the label |
| 09:18.15 | zenzio | thanks =) |
| 09:18.35 | zenzio | sometimes it scares me how I miss the good solutions |
| 09:19.30 | zenzio | I had expected the label to not interfere when it had no text, but it did. Also moved around the default UI setting screen - it seems the checkbuttons have a standard zone of clickability to their right |
| 09:19.41 | zenzio | which does not extend to the width of the text, just a predefined width |
| 09:24.52 | Fisker | set label to false zenzio ? |
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| 09:48.17 | AcidWeb | wrong channel -,- |
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| 13:54.40 | zenzio | sneaking in again, are we, Lopeppeppy? |
| 13:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | It's what kitsune rogues do best in the mornings, zenzio. *serious nod* |
| 13:56.25 | zenzio | I see |
| 14:01.36 | Cairenn | No, you don't, that's the point ;) |
| 14:01.41 | zenzio | lol |
| 14:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
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| 14:23.28 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:23.35 | karl_w_w | well that was probably the lamest trade troll ever |
| 14:24.56 | karl_w_w | person: what's the best scope to put on your bow? |
| 14:24.57 | karl_w_w | me: well that depends, if you want it to be usable anywhere use global, but I'd use a name other than bow because such a simple name might get used again elsewhere in code |
| 14:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | I think that bit of geekery probably went right over his head. |
| 14:30.19 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fisker-dear. |
| 14:30.51 | Fisker | nope Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | I really. Really. REALLY hate teaching sheep how to log in. |
| 14:33.58 | Fisker | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/consumer-preview |
| 14:34.21 | Fisker | can their hooves even hit the keys? |
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| 14:38.04 | Lopeppeppy | They hit too many keys, that's usually the problem. |
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| 14:57.25 | Ackis | sighs. |
| 15:25.10 | amro | Lopeppeppy: two words: hoofprint identification |
| 15:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I'll get right on that, but I don't think it's unique enough without fitting them with shoes. |
| 15:26.49 | Ackis | "I saw a woman crying as she was buying tampons earlier. Must be going through a tough period in her life." |
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| 15:46.12 | sacarasc | Hi, I was wondering if someone had the time to help me with a macro... The macro as I have it is here http://pastebin.com/96DRi2qF but it doesn't seem to work. Maybe there's a problem with Thunder Clap's multiple stances? |
| 15:49.37 | Dagmar | You may be onto something there. |
| 15:49.45 | alestane | Define "doesn't seem to work." How is the result different from your intentions? |
| 15:49.47 | Dagmar | I don't know that one can pass them a list like that |
| 15:50.37 | sacarasc | alestane: Shift clicking the spell adds the stance info. Which makes it unusable. (It doesn't register it as the spell.) Removing the stance info fixes this. |
| 15:50.46 | alestane | But yeah, try just "Thunder Clap" without the subtitiling. |
| 15:51.22 | sacarasc | I did, and that works. |
| 15:51.23 | alestane | I think the shift-click process is a holdover from when spells had distinct ranks that were important. |
| 15:51.50 | alestane | Now, the only place where it's meaningful AFAIK is in things like Polymorph(Pig) |
| 15:52.35 | alestane | Unfortunately, that space is being used for other information about some spells, which is apparently confusing things. |
| 15:52.54 | alestane | It sounds like the ideal fix would just be to update the shift-click handler. |
| 15:53.02 | Fisker | i just installed windows 8 |
| 15:53.07 | Fisker | and upon writing "store" in IE10 |
| 15:53.12 | Fisker | it autocompleted to store.apple.com |
| 15:53.23 | Fisker | Son i'm disappoint. |
| 15:55.22 | alestane | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/one-million-moms-toys-r-us-archie-comics_n_1307689.html |
| 15:57.21 | haste | this video acn not be viewed due to your location. :( |
| 15:58.12 | mitch0 | hah, like region coded dvds |
| 15:58.17 | mitch0 | stupid is stupid |
| 15:58.22 | haste | y |
| 15:58.23 | Dagmar | Fisker: They're lookin' out for you, man |
| 15:58.33 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:58.35 | Fisker | wanna hax? |
| 15:58.37 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 15:58.38 | haste | sure |
| 16:01.35 | Ackis | God it's a mass flux of "STOP SENDING THESE EMAILS TO THIS ACCOUNT" |
| 16:01.41 | Maldivia | alestane: lets see if it'll have the same effect as when they targeted Ellen :P |
| 16:01.50 | alestane | Not much? |
| 16:02.28 | Maldivia | or perhaps they'll sell even from copies of that issue of Archie :P |
| 16:02.36 | alestane | I'd be curious to know the actual membership enrollment of One Million Moms. Their names has that puffer-fish quality reminiscent of the the "Moral Majority." |
| 16:02.38 | Maldivia | s/from/more/ |
| 16:03.27 | Maldivia | alestane: wasn't it something like 10000 members on facebook, or so |
| 16:03.48 | Maldivia | so, as Ellen said, they just rounded up to the nearest million ) |
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| 16:38.23 | Shirik | (08:31:14) (+BetacommandBot8) Stalked summary: "[[WP:AES|←]]Replaced content with 'HACKED'" (matched replaced content with) used by [[User:65.18.74.134]], edited [[Frank Hopkins]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=479495191&oldid=479495102 |
| 16:38.28 | Shirik | I really wish I understood why people do this |
| 16:38.37 | Shirik | it happens more often than you would think |
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| 16:38.42 | Shirik | do they really think they're hackers? |
| 16:39.05 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster |
| 16:40.03 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 16:40.46 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes it is |
| 16:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, already snow emergencies being declared and it's not FREAKING SNOWING YET! *roflcopter* |
| 16:43.07 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 16:43.19 | alestane | I'm assuming nothing about the weather. |
| 16:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Meanwhile I am being paid upteen score thousand dollars to edit a PDF. /wrists |
| 16:44.04 | alestane | [0,1) means 0<= x < 1, right? |
| 16:45.13 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 16:46.05 | nevcairiel | you know whats good to double check such things? wolfram alpha |
| 16:46.13 | Maldivia | or [0,1[, depending on the notation you use for intervals |
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| 16:46.59 | Lunessa | Station |
| 16:47.18 | Maldivia | alestane: and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_31-11 |
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| 16:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, help! Send dogs with rum! |
| 16:48.29 | Lunessa | Do you also need lawyers, guns and money? |
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| 16:50.23 | alestane | Myers Dark does not go as well with the ginger beer as the Gosling. |
| 16:50.27 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 16:50.36 | alestane | Although I think it could be that our bottle of rum is several years old. |
| 16:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | No. But someone to do my light PDF editing would be nice. |
| 16:50.58 | Fisker | remember that time when you entrapped me Shirik ? |
| 16:51.14 | Fisker | why not do it yourself Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:51.19 | Maldivia | is it bad, that when I see Gosling, I think Ryan? |
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| 17:06.35 | Lunessa | Dear people; if you call to place a request that I call you back to help with remote access issues, don't you think leaving a contact number would help? |
| 17:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh Fisker, I cannot count the ways that this is a stupid use of my time. :) |
| 17:07.18 | foxlit | Lunessa: an important point, missed by many |
| 17:07.53 | foxlit | I, for instance, get SEO spam promising phat google placement, but no information as to who to contact. |
| 17:07.57 | foxlit | Morons! |
| 17:08.00 | Lunessa | foxlit: The best part is, I'm going to catch hell for not returning this call… but… I don't have any way to do so. |
| 17:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | I love that, Lunessa. Then I have to go look them up. And half the time they don't even say their last name, so I have to recognize the friggin' VOICE to know who Mary is! |
| 17:11.03 | Shirik | foxlit: Obviously their SEO is so good you should be able to google their spam to find out who it is |
| 17:11.26 | foxlit | Shirik: you're the second person to bring that up. |
| 17:12.08 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/125/ |
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| 17:19.48 | Lopeppeppy | for Ackis and Cairenn and anyone else north of me: http://xkcd.com/180/ |
| 17:24.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Luckily they called back to complain that I hadn't called them back. |
| 17:24.20 | Thunder_Child | pfft, becoming a citizen dosent take work, you just need to be born there. |
| 17:25.15 | Lunessa | I laugh at people who say "if my candidate doesn't win I'm leaving the country" because they never do. |
| 17:26.17 | Dagmar | I made plans for if Bush "won" a third term. |
| 17:26.24 | Dagmar | I wasn't fucking around. |
| 17:26.59 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Wasn't going to happen. That would have required a complete breakdown of the nation, in which case… go whereever you want. |
| 17:27.14 | Dagmar | Yes, and your point being... It was Bush. |
| 17:27.19 | Dagmar | He was looking for an excuse. |
| 17:28.03 | Dagmar | I was looking for a time where I could go back to making _jokes_ about the gov't being out to get you. |
| 17:28.19 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Nah, martial law or other "emergency" measure such as that is unlikely to ever happen. The citizenry is still armed. ;) |
| 17:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. Zoot and I are moving to New Zealand. |
| 17:28.51 | Dagmar | If you resist the gov't, TEH TERRURISTS WIN |
| 17:29.12 | Lunessa | If you don't resist the government, the terrorists win. |
| 17:29.30 | Dagmar | This is why I felt it would be best to get out of arms' reach. |
| 17:29.40 | alestane | The terrorists when when people are too afraid to act. The government was doing a perfectly fine job of making that happen. Moving on. |
| 17:29.48 | Lunessa | Though I am highly amused that all the lefties who screamned "dissent is patriotic" during the Bush era aren't doing so now. |
| 17:30.32 | Lunessa | This same thing happens whichever group is in power. Dissent against the "other guy" is good. Dissent against "us" is wrong. |
| 17:31.19 | Dagmar | Dissent against money is "an unorganized rabble of unemployed good-for-nothings" |
| 17:31.55 | Lunessa | You forgot "envious" and "class-warfare" |
| 17:32.08 | Dagmar | Well, it's definitely class-warfare |
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| 17:35.24 | alestane | I'm not entirely sure how claiming that supporting rich people in paying poverty-line wages to the people who fuel their business process is NOT class warfare, but hey. |
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| 17:37.30 | Dagmar | I'm thinking more along the lines of people paying 22% of their income in taxes being told they're not paying enough taxes by the people who are paying 17% and less. |
| 17:37.40 | Lunessa | I'm going to hell for this - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4079846695 |
| 17:37.42 | Dagmar | ...who are making craploads more money. |
| 17:38.15 | Dagmar | starts up the drum synth. |
| 17:38.24 | Lunessa | I'm not a fan of progressive (increasing rates) taxation. But this is neither the time nor place. |
| 17:38.36 | Dagmar | Nah it's just calling the lie for what it is. |
| 17:40.45 | Dagmar | Wealth-redistribution? AIG making 1.9b in profits, losing customers' money, and paying dividends. That's wealth-redistribution, right there. |
| 17:41.13 | Lunessa | Taxation in general and "getting the government to pay" is just a way of applying the tyrannical boot to the neck of everyone to support the demands "the people." Taking from Peter to give to Paul is silly. Getting people to cooperatively pay for things is hard, but would still be a better system than holding a prison sentance to the heads of your populace while you take a chunk of their livelyhood. |
| 17:41.41 | Dagmar | We're only arresting people for being poor in two states so far. |
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| 17:42.47 | Lunessa | Try this on for size; you skip out on paying for car insurance because you have no money. You get caught and fined a very high fee (more than insurance would have cost). You can't pay the fine. You go to jail. It's madness. |
| 17:43.15 | Corrodias | you're expected not to be driving, then. |
| 17:43.36 | Lunessa | Yeah, which is also crazy because you pretty much have to drive in order to get or find work. |
| 17:43.43 | Corrodias | you phrased that very nicely. it's "you decide not to pay for insurance and drive around anyway, putting people at more risk" |
| 17:44.07 | Lunessa | And yes, I *do* understand the need to be able to pay for any liability you might incurr whilst driving. |
| 17:44.54 | Corrodias | i don't necessarily disagree with your response, but i like to butt into conversations to point out small things like that because it makes me feel better. |
| 17:45.02 | Lunessa | :D |
| 17:45.12 | Lunessa | (is just stirring the pot anyway) |
| 17:45.47 | foxlit | The solution is clearly to increase taxes |
| 17:45.55 | foxlit | and provide government-mandated car insurance for everyone. |
| 17:46.25 | Lunessa | Well, I believe there are people who would campaign for that… or perhaps more public transit |
| 17:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | If there were safe, reliable public transit, I wouldn't have owned a car in Boston. |
| 17:47.51 | foxlit | I think there's a relatively small overlap between the areas where you absolutely need a car to find work, and areas where public transport is economically viable. |
| 17:48.22 | foxlit | but hey, I'm on a different continent. Perhaps your public transport is really that abysmal. |
| 17:50.43 | Lunessa | foxlit: Where I live, there is no viable public transit. I can get a bus to take me downtown at 4, 5, 6, or 7 am and back at 4, 5, 6, or 7 pm; and that is only from a depo 5 miles from where I live. There is no connector. Very frew US cities actually have a very useful transit system any more. (LA, Chicago, NYC, and a few others). |
| 17:51.07 | Arrowmaster | bostons public transport is rather good, i took the tram/subway whatever it is from the airport to my friends apartment and back when i went to visit him for new years one year |
| 17:51.26 | Lunessa | Houston has some light rail that serves downtown, and some busses, but they serve a very small, and very badly designed set of transit points. |
| 17:51.28 | Dagmar | San Francisco's is awesome. Nashville's is a joke. |
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| 17:51.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah where i live all we have is buses that rarely show up |
| 17:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | We call it The T. For "transit" I guess. :) The T is a good system, but sadly the stations aren't safe, the schedule is unreliable, and service anywhere but inner-city Boston is a joke. |
| 17:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | Kicks ass for 8am-8pm transit in downtown though. |
| 17:52.28 | Lunessa | The problem is…again taxes to pay for them or fares that put them out of the reach of people who would use them. |
| 17:52.55 | Cide | why would taxes to pay for them be a bad thing |
| 17:53.00 | Cide | less gasoline ftw |
| 17:53.13 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 17:53.15 | Fisker | we still love you |
| 17:53.35 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: yeah my friend lived in the city at the time so it was a rather quick trip from the airport to the station, switch lines and to his place |
| 17:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's not just taxes, it's having a place to put them. London had such HUGE plans for improved motorways that were scrapped because there was nowhere to really build them. |
| 17:53.53 | Lunessa | Busses run on gas. Rail projects invariably end up costing too uch and servicing too few areas. And usually have to demolish private homes/businesses to make way for them. |
| 17:53.55 | Arrowmaster | but my uncle lives out in caimbrige and i know he drives a car |
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| 17:54.16 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:54.19 | Fisker | what did you do to Parnic ? |
| 17:54.23 | Fisker | what did you make him see? |
| 17:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | I used to drive down to one of the outlying stations, Alewife (in Cambridge) and pick up the T there. Driving in downtown, and parking downtown, are hellish. |
| 17:55.36 | Cide | the gas it takes for a bus <<< the gas it takes for people driving individually when they could potentially be using the bus |
| 17:56.33 | Fisker | i disagree Cide |
| 17:56.40 | Cide | you would |
| 17:56.57 | Fisker | i want to get to use a google car before it's outlawed and we all have to use public transport |
| 17:57.24 | Lunessa | This is a Houston map from Google Maps - http://bit.ly/ziGYXx - I live way down in the SE corner near where it says "Seabrook" - I can get busses 4 times a day to get me to the center of the city. Which has light rail that runs from 6am to 8pm and servs only the downton area. If I want to get anywhere at all - gotta drive. |
| 17:58.34 | foxlit | Interesting city planning. |
| 17:58.37 | Fisker | what the actual fuck Lunessa |
| 17:58.50 | Cide | I'm not saying busses are viable right now |
| 17:58.56 | Cide | but they could be quite easily |
| 17:59.14 | Lunessa | They could be. No one wants to pay for them. |
| 17:59.22 | Cide | lies |
| 17:59.34 | Lunessa | We have busses in other parts of the city. But not where I live. |
| 17:59.46 | Cide | it's just about the mindset and culture |
| 17:59.50 | pompy1 | does anyone have a ubisoft steam coupon? |
| 17:59.50 | Cide | and in this case viability too |
| 18:00.37 | Lunessa | Cide: In order to pay for them they raise property taxes and or sales taxes. Sales taxes in this area are already 8.5% and property taxes are astonomically high. Increases to both get voted down repeatedly. |
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| 18:01.03 | Cide | our sales taxes are 25% |
| 18:01.20 | Cide | sometimes 12.5% and sometimes less depending on the thing |
| 18:01.21 | Lunessa | Yeah, I don't want to pay +25% for everything I buy. |
| 18:01.38 | foxlit | *something about eating cakes* |
| 18:01.38 | Cide | yet sweden has an amazing economy :) |
| 18:01.53 | Fisker | i don't want to use clothes unless i'm cold |
| 18:01.56 | Fisker | yet i still have to |
| 18:01.57 | Lunessa | What's your total population and land mass? |
| 18:01.59 | Arrowmaster | Cide: thats VAT right |
| 18:02.00 | Fisker | god damn liberals |
| 18:02.03 | Cide | yes, Arrowmaster |
| 18:02.07 | Cide | and you guys complain about gasoline prices |
| 18:02.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah yeah i know, gas in europe is way more expensive |
| 18:02.23 | Cide | land mass is about the size of california |
| 18:02.25 | Lunessa | I'm not complaining about the price of gas. |
| 18:02.35 | Fisker | how many rich dicks are paying close to 0 taxes Lunessa? :o |
| 18:02.46 | nevcairiel | If you think about paying +25% extra, you're doing it wrong anyway. Around here, we just think about the price including the tax, and unless you go down to buisness dealings, you never even see the price without it. :p |
| 18:03.01 | Cide | population is about 9.5 million |
| 18:03.11 | Lunessa | Fisker: I don't hve such numbers, but I'd be shocked if anyone was getting out of paying sales and property taxes. Texas has no State Income tax. |
| 18:03.20 | Fisker | i like germanys way though nevcairiel |
| 18:03.25 | Lunessa | Cide: Houston has 4.75 million people. |
| 18:03.27 | Fisker | don't you have like lower VAT on veggies and shit? |
| 18:03.30 | Cide | exactly |
| 18:03.37 | Cide | and if public transit is viable in sweden... |
| 18:03.42 | Cide | it is DEFINITELY viable in houston |
| 18:03.55 | Fisker | we got 5 million here btw |
| 18:03.58 | nevcairiel | Fisker: essential food is at 7%, while everything else is at 19% |
| 18:04.09 | Fisker | and besides for spending billions on trains that doesn't work it actually goes ok |
| 18:04.13 | foxlit | Fisker: it's np, we have lower taxes on veggies too |
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| 18:04.25 | Fisker | no way foxlit |
| 18:04.36 | Fisker | we have higher taxes on sugary and fatty foods :D |
| 18:04.49 | Lunessa | Once you get past having to take property away from people to build the trains. Or convince enough people to pay for a fleet of buses and drivrs to actually make a useful service. I'm all for convincing people. Just not for making it compulsory. |
| 18:04.50 | foxlit | see? comparatively lower taxes on veggies. Problem solved! |
| 18:05.10 | Fisker | if veggies were cheaper i would totally buy them |
| 18:05.15 | Cide | busses don't need additional infrastructure besides bus stops |
| 18:05.18 | Cide | which is trivial |
| 18:05.42 | foxlit | Should make essential services optional, tbh |
| 18:05.43 | Corrodias | convincing people won't happen. |
| 18:05.44 | Cide | buying busses does not have to be a state expense |
| 18:05.54 | Corrodias | just resign yourself to not having those things. |
| 18:05.57 | foxlit | The increase in mortality rate would be hilarious. |
| 18:06.28 | Lunessa | Cide: If a private company were to step up and start doing it and made money, I'd be all over that action. I'd invest. :) |
| 18:06.44 | Adys | Dagmar: how much does a high quality pci wireless network card cost? |
| 18:06.44 | nevcairiel | public transportation doesnt usually make money |
| 18:06.49 | Adys | and what kind of brands are best |
| 18:06.59 | nevcairiel | but its not about making money. :p |
| 18:07.00 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: This is part of the problem. |
| 18:07.09 | Cide | the wired ones, Adys |
| 18:07.16 | nevcairiel | social services also don't make money |
| 18:07.22 | Fisker | i didn't know PCI was wireless |
| 18:07.29 | foxlit | nevcairiel: surely US healthcare is profitable |
| 18:07.33 | foxlit | if not actually good at healthcare. |
| 18:07.34 | Lunessa | Operating at a loss in the US usually means "going to local, state or federal gvt for money" |
| 18:07.52 | Cide | same as in every other country |
| 18:08.25 | Valdarix | Though I have never used it, the MARTA here in Atlanta has very favorable reviews on the buses and rail. I hear it's one of the better in the country from people who have used many public transports |
| 18:09.00 | Cide | my cynical understanding of how us decisionmaking goes is more or less like this |
| 18:09.23 | Fisker | whats up with the no windows 8 tablets btw nevcairiel |
| 18:09.30 | Cide | suggest a good proposal, get shot down by corrupt politicians paid by the appropriate industry lobbyist group |
| 18:09.32 | Valdarix | US decision making is like Android fragmented and lacking direction |
| 18:09.41 | kd3 | more or less, cide |
| 18:10.15 | Lunessa | Reduced to it's most ludicrous level, pretty much. |
| 18:10.22 | nevcairiel | US is worse then europe in fragmentation, our laws are probably more in-line in the EU then the states in the US manage to. :p |
| 18:10.24 | Lunessa | argh, wrong "its" |
| 18:10.38 | alestane | Proofreading at it's best. |
| 18:10.48 | kd3 | proofreading? on irc? |
| 18:10.48 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: On the big stuff most states are pretty in tune. |
| 18:10.55 | foxlit | I gave up on self-correcting those |
| 18:10.56 | Corrodias | operating a public transit company at a profit would mean charging too much for people to bother with it for short trips |
| 18:11.02 | foxlit | it's usually less annoying that way. |
| 18:11.17 | Corrodias | we already have that: taxis |
| 18:11.52 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yeah thats one thing i hate about the states, they all make slightly different laws to do the same thing while the EU seems more unified recently |
| 18:12.10 | Adys | yup |
| 18:12.22 | BlackNet | that's not helping greece any with their megga issues |
| 18:12.48 | Lunessa | Poor Greece. |
| 18:13.27 | nevcairiel | We should somehow get the US to pay for them |
| 18:13.36 | BlackNet | think is with state laws, places like greece could/would have changed/made/etc laws to fix their problems |
| 18:13.58 | Cide | huh? |
| 18:14.03 | Lunessa | I heard a piece on a radio show where a former finance minister tallied up the costs for one of their transit systems (a train) and discovered that it would have been cheaper for them to have sent every passenger for the last year to their destination by taxi. Talk about problems. |
| 18:14.04 | Cide | greece could have fixed their problems as a country |
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| 18:14.11 | Cide | but they are a fucking bunch of idiots |
| 18:14.27 | Cide | that's not a problem Lunessa |
| 18:14.31 | Fisker | pls nevcairiel |
| 18:14.39 | Cide | that's a story designed to frighten people |
| 18:14.54 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253231 |
| 18:14.56 | Cide | how many years do you think the public transit system's infrastructure will be operating |
| 18:15.02 | Cide | one year? or 100+ years |
| 18:15.05 | foxlit | "I have no idea what I'm doing; here's some code" topics make me cry :( |
| 18:15.15 | BlackNet | not long, it's been in decline for a good while now |
| 18:15.24 | Cide | what |
| 18:15.35 | nevcairiel | our public transit is still going strong |
| 18:15.38 | nevcairiel | expanding, too |
| 18:15.44 | Cide | a hypothetical public transit system built today, BlackNet |
| 18:15.56 | Lunessa | Cide: The biggest cost were the salaries, which were amazingly high (60K euros/year at the baseline). |
| 18:16.00 | Cide | you don't try and compare the cost to how much it would cost in one year |
| 18:16.13 | Cide | that makes no sense |
| 18:16.22 | Cide | salaries are on a per-year basis |
| 18:16.25 | Lunessa | And it was a 1-year to 1-year comaprison in the story. I'll dig it up. |
| 18:16.34 | Cide | that makes absolutely no sense |
| 18:16.36 | Cide | like |
| 18:16.39 | Cide | NO SENSE AT ALL |
| 18:16.40 | BlackNet | hardly anyone here uses public transit |
| 18:16.47 | Cide | I cannot begin to explain how little sense that makes |
| 18:17.07 | nevcairiel | the damn trains ands busses here are always full, at least in the morning and the afternoon |
| 18:17.12 | Cide | a subway train driver here carries 300+ people per train |
| 18:17.15 | nevcairiel | i rarely take them at midday or something. :p |
| 18:17.26 | Cide | that's one employee's salary paying for 300 people's taxis |
| 18:17.28 | Cide | every day |
| 18:18.15 | Cide | not to mention that your average taxi ride probably costs more than your average subway train driver's hourly salary |
| 18:18.25 | Cide | how will you come up with duties for another 299 employees PER TRAIN |
| 18:18.43 | Cide | I don't buy it |
| 18:19.02 | Lunessa | I'm looking for the story so you can read it yourself. |
| 18:19.22 | Lunessa | There's just a lot of stories on Greece to wade through looking for this particular one. |
| 18:19.30 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 18:19.32 | Cide | fuck greece |
| 18:21.09 | Lunessa | brb… going to lunch. |
| 18:21.16 | Lunessa | I'll find the story after. |
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| 18:31.15 | Fisker | pls Ackis |
| 18:31.19 | Fisker | what the fuck did you do to kill Parnic ? |
| 18:33.47 | Adys | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Part_of_the_Taurus_Molecular_Cloud.jpg |
| 18:33.48 | Adys | sweet win |
| 18:34.50 | Fisker | heard from Pixel Adys |
| 18:34.52 | Fisker | ? |
| 18:35.06 | Adys | Fisker: not recently why? |
| 18:35.18 | Fisker | just wondering if he was cut too |
| 18:35.29 | Fisker | probably not since it's only like 60 devs |
| 18:35.30 | Fisker | but still |
| 18:36.45 | Adys | Fisker: i doubt it, he's quite high on the chain |
| 18:43.14 | foxlit | Hm, I need to stop adding features without UI equivalents. |
| 18:43.20 | foxlit | Tend to forget about them :/ |
| 18:45.03 | Valdarix | Morheims blue post about todays announcement http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2664-Message-from-Mike-Morhaime?page=9#comments |
| 18:47.17 | Corrodias | $144,000 per year? |
| 18:47.33 | foxlit | mmo-c forums are also depressing |
| 18:47.42 | Corrodias | let's see... equipment, office space, health insurance... |
| 18:47.51 | foxlit | "EVERYTHING IS CRAP AND THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING!" |
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| 18:47.57 | Corrodias | must have rounded up. |
| 18:50.51 | Arrowmaster | werent most their CS staff in texas or something though? |
| 18:50.53 | Valdarix | I assume that a lot of the jobs are in customer service. Whenever Sprint would develop new tools for the user to self help or eliminate issues causing them to no longer require CS the outsourcing company I worked for would dump headcount on the floor agents to compensate |
| 18:52.10 | Arrowmaster | having low tier CS staff in cali would just be stupid anyway, way too expensive |
| 18:52.28 | Lopeppeppy | He used the word impacted. Can I reach through the interwebs and strangle him? |
| 18:54.12 | Valdarix | I'm surprised they actually operate their own cs centers. It's way more cost effective to outsource that and not have to worry about the hiring and firing. |
| 18:55.32 | Arrowmaster | with their CS though it was probably better to have properly trained people |
| 18:55.47 | Corrodias | maybe they actually wanted GOOD customer service |
| 18:56.42 | Arrowmaster | when you outsource theres kinda a divide between your CS help center and the rest of the company but most the things their CS center handled probably needed better integration with their GMs and accounting departments |
| 18:58.53 | Valdarix | very true. Just surprised with Activision involved it wasn't the path they explored. Outsourced agents are a revolving door or poor applicants and bad attitudes for the most part, so I can see keep the reins being a good idea for them. |
| 18:59.57 | alestane | Activision really has nothing to do with Blizzard's customer service decisions. |
| 19:01.16 | bluspacecow | the terms of the merger was for operational autonomy IIRC |
| 19:01.34 | bluspacecow | http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/interview-thomas-tippl-2 |
| 19:01.42 | alestane | I think Morhaime and the CEO of Activision are accountable to the same board now. |
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| 19:02.23 | Arrowmaster | with as much flack as blizz gets for all the compromised accounts, i would think revolving door CS department would be a very bad thing |
| 19:02.33 | alestane | And their budget departments can write checks on each other's accounts (or some other way of combining the books). |
| 19:02.37 | alestane | But that's about it. |
| 19:03.35 | alestane | And here comes the snow. |
| 19:03.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not even done with it yet, how come you get some so early? |
| 19:04.52 | Valdarix | Thanks for the link. I for some reason was thinking Activision aquired Blizzard based on a very old and barely remembered Wow Insider article. Wasn't aware they were more or less equals |
| 19:06.30 | bluspacecow | if you have a look at investor.activision.com and the docs for the latest conference call you'll see vivendi sa still owns a majority share of Act. Blizzard |
| 19:08.34 | alestane | They merged. There was not an acquisition per se. |
| 19:10.42 | Fisker | jesus fucking christ bluspacecow |
| 19:10.47 | Fisker | ACTIVISION AND BLIZZARD DID NOT MERGE |
| 19:10.50 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 19:10.59 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 19:11.06 | bluspacecow | i blame the 4 hrs sleep i've had |
| 19:11.10 | Fisker | stupid bluspacecow |
| 19:11.11 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.35 | Fisker | mad cuz bad bluspacecow ? |
| 19:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | raging 'cause why? OMG, alestane said it too, it's a common misunderstanding. |
| 19:13.31 | bluspacecow | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 19:13.54 | bluspacecow | fiskers gotta fisker |
| 19:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | True that. |
| 19:14.40 | Corrodias | so what'd they do? |
| 19:14.43 | alestane | Looking for the bloody announcement. |
| 19:14.53 | bluspacecow | about ? |
| 19:15.03 | bluspacecow | a sale on for kitchen knives at Blizzard ? |
| 19:15.52 | alestane | Whatever press release declared the consolidation. |
| 19:16.04 | bluspacecow | http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/718877/000104746908005572/a2183354zprer14a.htm |
| 19:16.10 | pompy1 | " I know that you all understand how difficult this type of situation can be for anyone who might be affected, so I want to assure you that we'll be offering each impacted employee a severance package and other benefits." |
| 19:16.14 | Lopeppeppy | Text of the release is in this article. http://kotaku.com/328919/vivendi-games-and-activision-merge-to-create-activision-blizzard-[update] |
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| 19:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | Vivendi combined Vivendi Games with Activision to create Activision Blizzard, according to that. |
| 19:17.55 | alestane | "…signed a definitive agreement to combine Vivendi Games, Vivendi's interactive entertainment business […] with Activision…" |
| 19:17.55 | alestane | If that's not a merger, only SEC people care about the distinction. |
| 19:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | The chairman even used the word "merger" in a quote talking about it. So I guess they're okay with the word. http://kotaku.com/5023808/activision-blizzard-merger-finalized |
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| 19:22.16 | mitchnull | how does one add labels to new issues on github? |
| 19:22.21 | alestane | "Blizzard and Sierra parent Vivendi becomes a wholly-owned subsidiary of Activision, scoring 295.3 new shares of Activision stock. It'll also buy 62.9 million new shares for a total of $1.7 billion - the result is that Vivendi owns a stake of about 52 percent in its new parent company." |
| 19:22.22 | mitchnull | or is that a project-owner only function? |
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| 19:22.42 | Corrodias | not a merge, but an acquizition |
| 19:22.45 | alestane | I guess that's technically an acquisition, although a particularly fucked-up sort of one. |
| 19:23.10 | Seerah | from the SEC link blu provided, it even says in the "Merger of Vivendi Games. Activision and Vivendi Games will combine their businesses through the merger of a newly formed, wholly-owned subsidiary of Activision with and into Vivendi Games. As a result of the merger, Vivendi Games, the parent company of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. and Sierra Entertainment, Inc., will become" |
| 19:23.48 | bluspacecow | http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/1686135509x6610943x541649/db4285e9-f49e-47e1-a410-dc56ad167e42/ATVI_CQ411ATVI_Summary_Sheet.pdf |
| 19:24.01 | alestane | Given that In this case Vivendi owns a majority stake in a company that owns it in its entirety, including its stake in said company. |
| 19:24.03 | bluspacecow | 60/40 split now |
| 19:24.15 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, can I have one of these? http://thechive.com/2012/02/29/animals-that-dont-suck-40-photos/couch-cat-strikes/ The couch demon, that is. |
| 19:24.44 | pompy1 | http://necaonline.com/33243/blog/news-and-announcements/yes-we-are-making-a-life-size-portal-gun-replica-here-are-the-details/ want! |
| 19:27.02 | alestane | Based on those descriptions arguing whether it was a merger or an acquisition is sophistry worthy of lawyers only. |
| 19:27.18 | Lunessa | Cide: I conceede that finding the story I was referencing will take too long to make it relevant to us by the time I've found it. |
| 19:27.41 | alestane | I do remember seeing a reference to that comment in the Economist. |
| 19:27.58 | alestane | What figures he was basing the comment on, I cannot say. |
| 19:28.04 | Lunessa | I heard it on Marketplace, a public radio program. |
| 19:28.20 | alestane | Can't guarantte that it's true, but it's widely accepted that he did say it. |
| 19:28.41 | alestane | Does rum go bad? |
| 19:29.03 | Lunessa | alestane: Exposure to oxygen changes the flavor over time. |
| 19:29.42 | Lunessa | But it doesn't go "bad" unless by "bad" you mean "tastes different than when I first opened it." |
| 19:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | I am seriously about to deprive some sheep of oxygen. :) |
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| 19:31.52 | bluspacecow | u having sum lamb for lunch peppy ? |
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| 19:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's what's going to get me through the snowpocalypse. |
| 19:34.28 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m27V_uTFOKk |
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| 19:36.54 | pompy1 | "Unsuspecting pirates of Starbreeze Studios’ recently released reboot ‘Syndicate’ found, instead of the actual game, a job opportunity hidden within the code." |
| 19:36.57 | pompy1 | "Before the game released, Starbreeze themselves released a file online that was presumed to be a pirated version of Syndicate, but was in fact a job listing in disguise." |
| 19:36.58 | pompy1 | pro |
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| 19:58.02 | karl_w_w | do 3 random dungeons in a row on low level rogue -> SM GY pops 3 times -> same loot drops in dungeon -> exact same reward from satchet each time -> queue again -> SM GY pops again -> freak out |
| 19:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | Must be popular today? |
| 19:59.48 | karl_w_w | second time 4 of us from the first group requeued random, 3rd time all 5 of us requeued random :P |
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| 20:04.08 | foxlit | amount of people using LFG at your level: 5. |
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| 20:16.57 | bluspacecow | anyone else noticed the thing about D3 they released in todays press release ? |
| 20:17.02 | bluspacecow | http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120229005855/en/Blizzard-Entertainment-Announces-Staff-Reductions |
| 20:17.10 | bluspacecow | "The company will announce specific release plans for Diablo® III in the near future" |
| 20:17.16 | bluspacecow | #signs of release ? |
| 20:18.15 | durcyn | 60 unemployed code monkeys? yeah, some project is finished. |
| 20:19.24 | Fisker | i always rage Lopeppeppy |
| 20:19.25 | Fisker | imad? |
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| 20:19.45 | Fisker | i was hoping they laid off their webtema |
| 20:19.47 | Fisker | team* |
| 20:20.05 | TC-Work | durcyn: you mean 600? |
| 20:20.09 | Lunessa | bluspacecow: That looks like a bunch of managers and admin people are being "reduced." |
| 20:20.13 | Fisker | no TC-Work |
| 20:20.21 | durcyn | TC-Work: 90% were CS according to the press release |
| 20:20.23 | Fisker | 60 developers the rest were other staff |
| 20:20.24 | TC-Work | not all game dev's are code monkeys |
| 20:20.35 | bluspacecow | i speak of the line that says "specific release plans for D3" |
| 20:20.55 | Fisker | duh? |
| 20:21.19 | Lunessa | I know. I saw it. The game was expected first quarter of this year. |
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| 20:22.38 | Fisker | half^* |
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| 20:29.01 | Lunessa | Alas and alack, Davy Jones has passed away. :/ |
| 20:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | I heard that a bit earlier. I've been humming Monkees songs since. :/ |
| 20:31.13 | Lunessa | I'm playing them off YouTube right now. |
| 20:32.09 | Lunessa | 60s hairstyles are… shockingly bad |
| 20:32.11 | Valdarix | LAst Train to Clarksville on Spotify at the moment |
| 20:33.25 | Valdarix | at least is wasn't Paul or Ringo. How to face the world with less Beatles may I never know |
| 20:35.00 | Lunessa | You know you're getting old when your childhood idols begin dropping. |
| 20:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | The Partridge Family. *sniff sniff* |
| 20:37.16 | Lunessa | Well, no… And Danny Bonaduche should have stayed out of the limelight. |
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| 20:40.00 | TC-Work | anyone know a way to hide a process from top or ps? |
| 20:41.24 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: hehhehe, that could be Moxie, she looooooves being under the couch and attacking your ankles when you least expect it |
| 20:41.51 | Maldivia | TC-Work: so, what are you going to install on some poor bastards computer, that he shouldn't know is running? |
| 20:42.41 | TC-Work | Maldivia: the exact opposite, there is something using ram and not showing up and i want to find it |
| 20:43.14 | BlackNet | memory leak maybe/ |
| 20:44.15 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: kernel process? |
| 20:46.00 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: are you asking me or telling me> |
| 20:46.04 | TC-Work | ?* |
| 20:46.12 | TC-Work | also, 7.5gb of ram worth? |
| 20:46.19 | Arrowmaster | ok probably not |
| 20:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | I knew a Siamese like that once, loved to attack from the space behind the couch, as you walked past. |
| 20:47.48 | Lunessa | TC-Work: That's a lot of RAM/pagefile to be sucking up. |
| 20:48.05 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: and you are sure its not just cache right? |
| 20:48.28 | Arrowmaster | 100% sure |
| 20:48.50 | Maldivia | was about to ask the same thng P: |
| 20:49.07 | Arrowmaster | if you arent sure, www.linuxatemyram.com |
| 20:49.16 | Fisker | Hey Parnic |
| 20:51.25 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: yes, cache is on a different line of free -m |
| 20:51.52 | TC-Work | oh..nvm |
| 20:52.01 | TC-Work | i see what you mean |
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| 21:08.57 | Valdarix | is there a way to get the number of enemy's within a certain range? |
| 21:09.08 | Maldivia | no |
| 21:09.42 | Valdarix | thanks |
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| 21:11.02 | Fisker | is there a shortcut then? |
| 21:11.49 | Maldivia | you can get an estimate, by checking number of different guid's in the combat log, enumerate the nameplates and count them, check tracking dots - if you want to call any of those a shortcut |
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| 21:56.35 | TC-Work | interesting, amazons history stuff is saved locally not on their site |
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| 22:07.40 | batrick | what happened to that pastey website we used to use |
| 22:08.21 | alestane | pastey.net died a mysterious death. Try pastebin.com |
| 22:08.33 | batrick | well ya i do i was just curious |
| 22:08.44 | batrick | pastey was pretty nice and *simple* |
| 22:10.05 | foxlit | also horrible if you happened to have a http:// in your paste |
| 22:10.21 | Arrowmaster | unless you knew the secret |
| 22:11.08 | foxlit | and even then it failed to stop spam |
| 22:11.20 | foxlit | all of the inconvinience, none of the benefits :P |
| 22:22.24 | olafski | I liked the pretty colors and the ability to add headings/sections |
| 22:22.24 | Adys | batrick: i like paste2.org |
| 22:22.30 | olafski | not sure if other paste sites have that |
| 22:22.40 | Adys | olafski: paste2 does |
| 22:23.01 | olafski | nice |
| 22:23.03 | olafski | thanks :] |
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| 22:35.28 | karl_w_w | <batrick> pastey was pretty nice and *simple* -> http://codepad.org/ |
| 22:38.50 | karl_w_w | i like how when you log out with your guild roster open, you see yourself go offline |
| 22:38.58 | karl_w_w | ooOOooOoOOOo |
| 22:42.40 | TC-Work | *sigh* i am such a failure today |
| 22:50.22 | Dagmar | I can't resist. |
| 22:50.27 | Dagmar | There's something special about today? |
| 22:50.57 | nicoli_s | not that i can tell |
| 22:52.22 | karl_w_w | today is the day TC sighs about it |
| 22:52.34 | Dagmar | That's what I was wondering about. |
| 23:00.18 | TC-Work | it took me 6 tires to get the word aliases correct |
| 23:00.36 | TC-Work | i have forgotten to add in parts of code twice today |
| 23:00.40 | TC-Work | same part no less |
| 23:00.51 | TC-Work | tries* |
| 23:01.08 | Maldivia | I was about to ask how many "tires" it would require to get that correct :P |
| 23:01.43 | TC-Work | see, that just helps prove my point |
| 23:04.14 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Less multi-tasking and/or take a nap. |
| 23:04.41 | TC-Work | sadly, naps make me feel worse |
| 23:05.09 | Lunessa | That's probably 'cause you have a sleep-deficit you need to recover from. |
| 23:05.21 | TC-Work | and i have yet to have a job that was no to little multi-tasking |
| 23:05.21 | Lunessa | Or you're malnourished. |
| 23:05.39 | TC-Work | i doubt A, and not hardly for B. |
| 23:06.12 | TC-Work | my guess is that i hit rem rather quickly, and waking up during that makes me feel like the shit that shit shits out. |
| 23:07.59 | Lunessa | Yeah, this means you need a longer nap time. 45 minutes or more. :) But that's not always feasible. |
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