| 00:09.18 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 00:09.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 00:14.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies (~Mr_Rabies@blat.rosspaffett.com) |
| 00:18.05 | Cide | or if you're hungry |
| 00:18.12 | Cide | yum list *yum* |
| 00:20.21 | bluspacecow | u eat me ? |
| 00:25.55 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-24-147-48-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:25.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 00:26.18 | karl_w_w | oh look a projector on woot |
| 00:26.45 | kd3 | gasp. that never happens |
| 00:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | ugh that resolution |
| 00:26.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:27.10 | Mr_Rabies | i was wondering why it was so chearp |
| 00:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | cheap |
| 00:27.12 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Zyn (~skreeee@h187n4-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev syrae (~syrae@2620:0:b60:3:cabc:c8ff:fea6:172b) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (vince@50-0-142-39.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev cyndis (cyndis@lakka.kapsi.fi) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Grum (~grum@codebase2.xs4all.nl) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (~snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Maldivia (~maldivia@nyx.duckpond.dk) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (~chrippa@tanuki.se) |
| 00:28.15 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (~durcyn@WoWUIDev/Durcyn) |
| 00:47.48 | Mikk | wonders who Ryan Lakanen is, and why everyone he knows, knows her. |
| 00:54.20 | bluspacecow | *cough* |
| 00:55.01 | bluspacecow | you do now :) |
| 00:56.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Valdarix (~kvirc@adsl-74-176-191-128.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:57.57 | TC-Work | we do? |
| 00:58.39 | TC-Work | Mikk: Seerah |
| 01:18.01 | mascondante | Ugh this is driving me nuts |
| 01:18.37 | mascondante | I went with practically a fresh install of WoW and still QuestHelper locks WoW up *only* on my main |
| 01:19.02 | mascondante | There's got to be some sort of global thing to do with my account that's pissing QH off. I even cleaned my quest log |
| 01:20.02 | mascondante | Is there a log I can look at somewhere in my WoW folder to see what caused the freeze? |
| 01:21.13 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 01:28.52 | foxlit_ | no |
| 01:29.11 | foxlit_ | pokes the underscore. How long have you been there? |
| 01:30.13 | Adys | quassel win |
| 01:30.41 | Adys | man its like they're the only ones who get it |
| 01:32.33 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane1 (~alestane@c-24-147-48-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:33.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 01:37.26 | *** join/#wowuidev exoa (~high@91.121.254.172) |
| 01:37.45 | *** join/#wowuidev ex0a (~high@unaffiliated/ex0a) |
| 01:38.03 | *** join/#wowuidev ex0a (~high@unaffiliated/ex0a) |
| 01:57.18 | Cide | I didn't like quassel that much |
| 01:57.40 | Cide | I went back to using pidgin+bnc |
| 02:04.15 | TC-Work | i stil use it, the lack of needing to install anything is always nice |
| 02:04.18 | TC-Work | still* |
| 02:04.40 | Cide | I use irc, aim, google talk and msn messenger |
| 02:04.48 | Cide | and bitlbee didn't work very well for me |
| 02:05.06 | TC-Work | i use quassel for irc and pidgin for everything else |
| 02:05.16 | Cide | yeah, I guess that works |
| 02:05.23 | Cide | I just like having one program for it as opposed to 2-5 |
| 02:05.41 | TC-Work | yea, but sadlt i dont like any integrated irc client |
| 02:05.50 | TC-Work | sadly* |
| 02:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | last time i had pidgin irc was a nightmare to even use in it |
| 02:06.01 | pompy | http://mashable.com/2012/02/22/borderlands-2-trailer/ september |
| 02:06.05 | Cide | works fine for me |
| 02:07.53 | pompy | Mr_Rabies: ive been using irc in pidgin for years now.. no problems |
| 02:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | i remember it being a total disaster if you were on multiple networks/channels |
| 02:08.32 | Wobin | I like quassel |
| 02:08.37 | pompy | i have 9 channels open on 3 networks |
| 02:08.37 | Wobin | also cause the android client |
| 02:08.55 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't really like pidgin in general because of how ugly it was but its irc was lacking a lot of stuff i wanted |
| 02:09.22 | Wobin | pidgin also had an awkward ui |
| 02:09.47 | Mr_Rabies | it was so incredibly ugly when i last used it |
| 02:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it's better now, i dunno |
| 02:10.32 | TC-Work | pompy: is it just me or is the graphics exactly the same as the first game? |
| 02:10.47 | Cide | wow |
| 02:10.50 | Cide | that trailer is amazing |
| 02:11.23 | Mr_Rabies | the lighting looks better |
| 02:11.26 | TC-Work | i dunno, i was seeing pixelated blood |
| 02:11.28 | pompy | maybe they didnt wanna change the graphics! |
| 02:11.32 | pompy | Parnic: ! |
| 02:11.45 | Mr_Rabies | with a game that stylized i think the graphics were excellentin Borderlands |
| 02:12.09 | Cide | I wouldn't put too much thought into the graphics based on a trailer like 8 months before release |
| 02:12.10 | TC-Work | Mr_Rabies: then yes. not so much now |
| 02:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what they could improve |
| 02:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | it looks like a comic book |
| 02:13.14 | TC-Work | you can have smoth cartoon blood |
| 02:13.19 | TC-Work | smooth* |
| 02:13.45 | Cide | that's very easy to improve |
| 02:13.49 | Cide | and they have 8 months to do so |
| 02:13.53 | Mr_Rabies | sure you could, but maybe that's just a sylization choice |
| 02:13.55 | Cide | or whatever september - february is |
| 02:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | stylization* |
| 02:13.59 | pompy | 6! |
| 02:14.06 | Cide | OH GOD FUCK |
| 02:14.06 | TC-Work | true, but you do usually try to entice people |
| 02:14.13 | Cide | and they did |
| 02:14.17 | Cide | that trailer is fucking awesome |
| 02:14.24 | pompy | well Parnic will chime in whenever he sees this lol |
| 02:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | it looks awesome to me, TC-Work |
| 02:15.24 | TC-Work | tthe gameplay looked awesome to me, i was just bitching about the graphics |
| 02:15.37 | pompy | i still havent finished the first game! gotta work on that |
| 02:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't even buy skyrim and this game looks like an early purchase if i can convince friends to get the 4pcak |
| 02:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | pack |
| 02:15.52 | TC-Work | yes, because you have to play through it twice anyway |
| 02:15.56 | Corrodias | which game? |
| 02:16.04 | pompy | borderlands |
| 02:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | borderlands |
| 02:16.07 | TC-Work | 2 |
| 02:16.13 | Corrodias | wh- oh, 2 |
| 02:17.08 | pompy | TC-Work: im only like level 10 >< |
| 02:17.26 | TC-Work | level faster |
| 02:17.39 | TC-Work | you have to play twice to hit 60 or whatever |
| 02:17.59 | TC-Work | and all of the DLC's are 53+ or somesuch |
| 02:18.02 | TC-Work | 35* |
| 02:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | i want more dark souls :< |
| 02:18.41 | pompy | lol yeahhh ok http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2050462/Dark-Souls-Man-beats-hardest-videogame-time-2-hours.html |
| 02:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if he soul level or gear glitched or something O_O |
| 02:20.27 | Mr_Rabies | it took me ~150 hours to beat it the first time |
| 02:23.18 | Mr_Rabies | what the hell, he's doing more damage to the first boss at what's supposed to be level 1 than my character did until well into his 30s and 40s |
| 02:38.23 | Cide | he did a leap attack from up top and then used pyromancer's flame |
| 02:38.45 | Cide | and then got the dragon sword |
| 02:45.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~quassel@122-157-102.dsl.connexus.net.au) |
| 02:52.37 | *** join/#wowuidev RabidCabbage (~RabidCabb@host86-160-64-228.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) |
| 02:58.41 | *** join/#wowuidev pnorman (pnorman@d207-6-160-55.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:00.09 | RabidCabbage | noob question: Is foo = CreateFrame("Frame","foo") exactly the same as CreateFrame("Frame", "foo") ? |
| 03:00.57 | Cide | no |
| 03:01.32 | Cide | the former also assigns the frame "foo" to the variable foo, which may or may not be local |
| 03:01.44 | Cide | if foo is a global variable they're effectively the same |
| 03:02.19 | RabidCabbage | Ah, i see. thanks |
| 03:02.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~Xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 03:15.28 | *** join/#wowuidev olafski (~egrimm@dream.student.utwente.nl) |
| 03:15.45 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@124.150.42.179) |
| 03:20.28 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 03:23.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:23.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:25.58 | BlackNet | hmmm blizzard_guildui\blizzard_guildroster.lua errors! gotta love those |
| 03:33.14 | ccox | getting really, really tired of those |
| 03:35.00 | BlackNet | just droped the fix plugin |
| 03:37.33 | ccox | Bliz did, or did a third party post something? |
| 03:42.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (~Kandoko@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 03:54.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~quassel@124-149-191-53.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:27.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Xzempt (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 04:35.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan| (Aeyan@cpe-024-163-021-006.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 04:36.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@c-67-201-212-12.reshall.wwu.edu) |
| 04:38.01 | *** join/#wowuidev pheredhel (~pheredhel@deep-water.de) |
| 04:47.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~Xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 04:56.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Xzempt (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 05:09.53 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (~Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 05:10.53 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (~Death@serenity.averageurl.com) |
| 05:10.53 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (~Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 05:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Parnic (user@staff.xbins.org) |
| 05:18.29 | *** join/#wowuidev PProvost_ (~PProvost@174-16-124-78.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 05:22.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Xzempt (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 05:23.19 | *** join/#wowuidev ZhinGeo (~Geo@home.trippy.org) |
| 05:26.55 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-74-226-98-85.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:29.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Dagmar (~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:29.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Dagmar (~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar) |
| 05:35.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan_ (~Xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 05:52.22 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 06:12.18 | TC-Work | ~moo |
| 06:12.18 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 06:13.04 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^^ (as@2001:470:1f07:115d:9c4a:4a32:8100:3fa1) |
| 06:13.56 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 06:17.59 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 06:23.40 | Dagmar | Jesus. Square outdid themselves. The only thing missing from FF XIII-2's start is floppy clocks and a top hat |
| 06:24.02 | Dagmar | So far out in emo-landia it doesn't even make sense. |
| 06:26.57 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 06:40.43 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 06:43.57 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 06:46.36 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 06:46.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~Xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 07:03.13 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 07:03.57 | sintAcks | holy shit i suck at sub |
| 07:07.19 | *** part/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 07:10.38 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Cidan (~cidan@2001:470:7:d8f::2) |
| 07:13.29 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 07:26.04 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 07:31.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 07:31.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 07:36.58 | karl_w_w | did you level as it sintAcks? |
| 07:37.16 | sintAcks | no. leveled combat daggers |
| 07:37.37 | karl_w_w | it's one of the few specs left in the game that you get a real benefit out of learning as you level |
| 07:38.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@c-67-201-212-12.reshall.wwu.edu) |
| 07:40.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan_ (~Xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 08:02.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 08:05.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Krapsy (~chatzilla@ool-4572cb11.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 08:06.16 | zenzio | http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html |
| 08:06.34 | zenzio | now I can finally sleep again, knowing there's nothing faster than light |
| 08:07.56 | sintAcks | hahha |
| 08:08.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool019.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 08:08.02 | sintAcks | took them long enough |
| 08:08.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 08:12.05 | Fisker | old zenzio |
| 08:12.09 | Fisker | and no it didn't sintAcks |
| 08:12.17 | Fisker | they already said it was the GPS a billion years ago |
| 08:23.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~md@mail1.retailplanit.com) |
| 08:40.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (Aeyan@cpe-024-163-021-006.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 08:58.41 | jnwhiteh | that awkward moment when you realise your USB keyboard fits snugly in your RJ45 slot. |
| 08:58.47 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 09:01.01 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:06.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@87.239.27.177) |
| 09:08.16 | karl_w_w | how can you make a regex only match the first instance of a pattern? |
| 09:09.32 | Kalroth | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/235272/how-can-i-make-my-regex-match-the-first-pattern-instead-of-the-last |
| 09:16.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (Aeyan@cpe-024-163-021-006.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 09:19.35 | mitch0 | moo |
| 09:21.37 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh, that? you mean the many many awkward moments :p |
| 09:25.09 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: :P |
| 09:36.42 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: what kind of USB cable is that? |
| 09:36.57 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: the flat one |
| 09:37.05 | jnwhiteh | its a perfect fit for RJ45 |
| 09:37.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:37.14 | zenzio | probably mini then |
| 09:37.25 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:37.42 | Humbedooh | no, regular usb connector |
| 09:37.54 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: no, standard type A |
| 09:37.55 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Physical_appearance |
| 09:38.13 | jnwhiteh | as I said, type A |
| 09:38.16 | zenzio | I've never been able to fit my USB plug in the RJ45 |
| 09:38.24 | jnwhiteh | try it, it works |
| 09:38.28 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:38.31 | jnwhiteh | on many machines, at least |
| 09:38.35 | zenzio | I doubt it |
| 09:38.39 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 09:38.41 | zenzio | USB has enough trouble fitting its own plug |
| 09:38.41 | jnwhiteh | yes, I lie. |
| 09:38.44 | jnwhiteh | I didn't just do it or anything |
| 09:38.49 | jnwhiteh | that's why what I said is funny |
| 09:38.52 | jnwhiteh | but thanks for being wrong, and killing the joke |
| 09:38.53 | zenzio | calm down, I'm bashing USB, not you |
| 09:38.55 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:39.01 | jnwhiteh | I'm not un-calm |
| 09:39.08 | jnwhiteh | I just hit the enter key a lot |
| 09:39.11 | jnwhiteh | and someone was being wrong on the internet |
| 09:39.39 | jnwhiteh | my jumper is almost finished |
| 09:39.42 | jnwhiteh | only about 30 rows to go! |
| 09:39.44 | jnwhiteh | I'm excited :P |
| 09:39.53 | zenzio | :) |
| 09:43.03 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 09:45.25 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy_ (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 09:46.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@2E6BAC74.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 09:55.12 | Stanzilla | looks like they changed the voice/chat interface on teh ptr http://i.imgur.com/QP2eo.png |
| 09:58.46 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 09:58.46 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 10:07.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Zasurus (~chatzilla@78-105-174-15.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 10:11.12 | karl_w_w | you know you can buy new jumpers ready-made these days :P |
| 10:11.39 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: but then I wouldn't have knit it myself |
| 10:12.00 | jnwhiteh | and knitted to my measurements as well :P |
| 10:12.20 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 10:15.12 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: what's different? |
| 10:15.35 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: do we have those checkboxes on top and the speaker symbols next to the channels on live? |
| 10:15.59 | Maldivia | hmm - to be honest, can't remember the last time I used that interface, so :P |
| 10:16.50 | zenzio | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9407289/how-do-i-extract-digit-in-an-integer-using-bitwise-operator - I had to read the second comment twice before I figured it... |
| 10:16.57 | Maldivia | take it you're looking at the build from this night? |
| 10:17.21 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: it goes away when you disable voice chat though, and as I always have that on live, I wouldn't know either :D |
| 10:17.23 | Stanzilla | and yes |
| 10:18.28 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/58EOg :DDDDD |
| 10:23.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen1 (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
| 10:24.06 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/xLxUs |
| 10:24.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen1 (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
| 10:28.01 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tongue_cat.gif |
| 10:28.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 10:29.26 | Cairenn | My new(ish) little one is living up to the name we gave her: Moxie. Does she ever have a lot of it! |
| 10:30.13 | Cairenn | Last night she decided that the best thing for her to do while I was trying to go to sleep was to lie on my pillow, grab my head with all four paws and hold it still while she chewed on my hair. |
| 10:30.28 | zenzio | new kitty? Pictures! |
| 10:30.38 | Cairenn | Got her back in Dec |
| 10:30.59 | Cairenn | She's a tuxedo bicolour, generic domesticated cat |
| 10:31.09 | zenzio | :) |
| 10:31.12 | zenzio | I still demand pictures |
| 10:31.40 | Cairenn | Will see what I can do :) |
| 10:33.06 | Cairenn | She's still basically a kitten, and drives our older cat crazy with wanting to play all the time |
| 10:33.30 | zenzio | hehe |
| 10:33.52 | Cairenn | She's -about- a year old |
| 10:34.03 | zenzio | my cat (about three or four now) is living with my dad while I'm hired out to a different town; she and his 16 year old did not get along at first |
| 10:34.12 | zenzio | now they get along very well. Old one even plays sometimes |
| 10:34.34 | Cairenn | Adopted her from the SPCA, so no one really knows for sure exactly how old she is, but they and my vet both agree that she's somewhere between 10-14 months' |
| 10:34.55 | zenzio | same here, they said mine was probably 2-3 years when I got her |
| 10:35.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 10:35.51 | *** join/#wowuidev fracek (~fracek@95.237.253.44) |
| 10:40.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
| 10:47.22 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@f051174225.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:00.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou| (~Caribou@193.31-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 11:10.04 | *** join/#wowuidev RabidCabbage (~RabidCabb@host86-160-64-228.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:14.33 | Arrowmaster | GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY! |
| 11:14.39 | Arrowmaster | http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-February/008511.html |
| 11:15.31 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 11:16.26 | Arrowmaster | or https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database |
| 11:18.24 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 11:22.01 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: neat |
| 11:23.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah it was a horribly stupid case |
| 11:24.54 | Arrowmaster | the only reason they got sued was because they credited the atlas in the comments, if they wouldnt have credited it they never would have gotten sued because THEY ARE FUCKING FACTS WHO CHECKS TO SEE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE USING FACTS FROM AN ATLAS |
| 11:28.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Xzempt (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 11:35.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (~Kandoko@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 11:36.25 | Maldivia | The sun is currently shining (c) |
| 11:37.22 | Humbedooh | sues Maldivia for copyright infringement! |
| 11:37.38 | zenzio | I do wonder if Astrolabe's lawyers informed them they'd been asshats, or if Astrolabe simply didn't bother to check the law beforehand |
| 11:39.27 | Stanzilla | Fisker: WUB WUB WUB |
| 11:43.42 | Fisker | old Stanzilla |
| 11:43.46 | Fisker | btw hey Parnic |
| 11:43.47 | Fisker | i want you |
| 11:43.58 | starlon | not shy at all |
| 11:44.06 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I'm more exited about bl2 than d3 |
| 11:44.07 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 11:44.37 | Fisker | k |
| 11:44.38 | Fisker | :) |
| 11:45.19 | Stanzilla | and you? |
| 11:45.46 | zenzio | only game I'm really looking forward to in the near future is ME3 :-o |
| 11:46.26 | Stanzilla | I played the demo yesterday and it was "meh" |
| 11:48.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (~TC@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC) |
| 11:49.03 | Fisker | also they're fucking us |
| 11:49.05 | Fisker | in the ass zenzio |
| 11:49.13 | zenzio | yes |
| 11:49.28 | Stanzilla | why this, mr fisker |
| 11:49.30 | zenzio | oh joy, the development server's /home directory is full |
| 11:50.00 | *** join/#wowuidev foreplay (~osnap@h184-61-244-14.cntral.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 11:50.31 | Fisker | Stanzilla they're doing release day DLC |
| 11:50.41 | Stanzilla | oh right |
| 11:50.45 | mikma | rtharper: so when are you moving into sweden? |
| 11:50.57 | zenzio | Fisker: true, but Origin is the real fuck |
| 11:51.00 | Fisker | but instead of being some stupid extra weapon or something like that, it's a pretty huge plot element |
| 11:51.08 | Fisker | both are pretty fucked up |
| 11:51.10 | rtharper | mikma: september/october (if it happens, not 100% yet) |
| 11:51.23 | Humbedooh | oh noes, you'll turn into a...swede :o |
| 11:51.33 | zenzio | nah |
| 11:51.42 | zenzio | it takes years to get a citizenship in a new country |
| 11:51.42 | mikma | rtharper: but that's nearly a year away! dayem |
| 11:51.43 | Humbedooh | and eat surströmning every day! |
| 11:51.58 | rtharper | heh |
| 11:52.03 | mikma | rtharper: weekendtriiiips to visit each other \o/ |
| 11:52.10 | rtharper | w00t |
| 11:52.21 | rtharper | Humbedooh: I'm not hearing anything bad about what you're saying! |
| 11:52.26 | Humbedooh | :C |
| 11:52.37 | Humbedooh | where in Sweden, if one may ask? |
| 11:52.55 | rtharper | Stockholm |
| 11:52.59 | Humbedooh | figures, pft |
| 11:53.18 | rtharper | hahah |
| 11:53.19 | Maldivia | you can always import all the great stuff from Denmark, so :) |
| 11:53.29 | rtharper | hahah |
| 11:53.29 | Humbedooh | well, no weekend trips from Humbedooh then! :| |
| 11:53.39 | rtharper | Humbedooh: Are you in Copenhagen, though? |
| 11:53.40 | Humbedooh | not that I was planning to go anyway as I hardly know you, but still...! |
| 11:53.41 | rtharper | I love that city |
| 11:53.49 | rtharper | We would definitely come visit you |
| 11:53.56 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~TC@99-50-80-110.lightspeed.lsanca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 11:53.56 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~TC@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC) |
| 11:54.00 | Humbedooh | rtharper, sadly no - I live 30 meters from the city border ;P |
| 11:54.05 | Maldivia | lol |
| 11:54.22 | rtharper | haha |
| 11:54.35 | Humbedooh | but hey, 4% less tax because of that, so yay me |
| 11:54.46 | rtharper | I'll make you practice understanding Swedish =p |
| 11:55.04 | Humbedooh | pft, I understand Swedish perfectly well |
| 11:55.08 | rtharper | is a big supporter of using Scandinavian languages within Scandinavia |
| 11:55.09 | rtharper | hah |
| 11:55.11 | rtharper | do you? |
| 11:55.12 | Humbedooh | it's the Swedes that don't understand Danish |
| 11:55.16 | rtharper | well that's true |
| 11:55.26 | rtharper | One can get used to it, it just takes practice |
| 11:55.34 | Humbedooh | or rather, it's people from Stockholm that doesn't understand it |
| 11:55.47 | Maldivia | rtharper: yeah, it is kind of sad, when Scandinavians turn to English to communicate with eachother |
| 11:55.59 | Humbedooh | which is rather odd, since the Stockholm dialect is a lot closer to Danish than the Skåne dialect per se |
| 11:56.01 | rtharper | The Swedes are the worst with that, as well |
| 11:56.06 | mikma | rtharper: cabin for 2 persons, 30 eur ... lol |
| 11:56.29 | rtharper | haha |
| 11:56.42 | mikma | rtharper: and usually there's these giftcards that allows you to travel about free from hel-sto-hel :D |
| 11:56.57 | rtharper | Humbedooh: A lot of Stockholmers can't understand Skånska |
| 11:57.21 | Humbedooh | it's teh easy! |
| 11:57.24 | rtharper | haha |
| 11:57.34 | Humbedooh | just get a sore throat and you'll speak it fluently |
| 11:57.37 | rtharper | I mean, don't look at me, I'm still getting to grips with Central Swedes when they talk fast |
| 11:57.44 | rtharper | This coming from a bloody Dane =p |
| 11:58.23 | Kalroth | Swedes sound like they're chewing on potatos when talking |
| 11:58.33 | Kalroth | usually 2 or more of them |
| 11:58.48 | rtharper | Funny, that's what the Swedes say about the Danes |
| 11:58.58 | rtharper | lol |
| 11:59.11 | Kalroth | Jättebra! |
| 11:59.17 | rtharper | also they always refer to potatoes, as if these have a specific sound |
| 11:59.25 | rtharper | jätte- is awesome |
| 11:59.29 | Humbedooh | I found the key to a conversation is to use as old words as possible, since you'll then be using terms that exists in both languages before they started diverting |
| 12:00.05 | Kalroth | Just use Danish, it is the mother language of Scandinavia afterall |
| 12:00.15 | Humbedooh | for example, I'll use the Danish word nyfigen which correlates to nyfiken in Swedish, even though they are both "inferior" today |
| 12:00.36 | Kalroth | that isn't a Danish word! |
| 12:00.38 | Humbedooh | makes me sound like I'm 90 years old, but at least the Swedes understand it ;> |
| 12:00.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 12:01.18 | Kalroth | oh it is, i though it was swedish only |
| 12:01.19 | rtharper | LOL by that logic I could just speak Icelandci and you'll all understand right (not) |
| 12:01.38 | Kalroth | people from iceland should just speak danish |
| 12:01.42 | Kalroth | they owe us that much! |
| 12:01.44 | rtharper | ! |
| 12:02.29 | rtharper | will not tell his Icelandic friends that a Dane said that =p |
| 12:02.38 | rtharper | Most Icelanders I know under the age of 50 speak appalling Danish |
| 12:02.48 | Kalroth | in fact, the world would be a better place if iceland, norway, sweden and greenland spoke danish - we can sell finland to russia |
| 12:02.54 | rtharper | hahahah |
| 12:02.57 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 12:03.03 | Humbedooh | you no sell Finland! |
| 12:03.09 | rtharper | you can technically claim Swedish as a dialect of Danish as it is |
| 12:03.15 | rtharper | and most of Eastern Norwegian dialects as well |
| 12:03.16 | Humbedooh | I need my daily rations of suffeli :( |
| 12:03.22 | Kalroth | yes, but finnish language is impossible |
| 12:03.29 | Humbedooh | pfft, easy! |
| 12:04.14 | Humbedooh | here's a sentence for you; Painnu vittuun, kääpiö! :C |
| 12:04.24 | Humbedooh | painu even |
| 12:04.40 | Humbedooh | and if you play a dwarf in WoW, it's almost applicable :> |
| 12:04.41 | Maldivia | hehe - and suddently I thought of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knsaerPhmgw :) |
| 12:05.30 | Kalroth | I mean, in Danish you can say "En øl, tak" (One beer, please), but in Finish it's "paksuposkipiski lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas, saippuakauppias" |
| 12:05.46 | zenzio | like Welsh then |
| 12:06.22 | zenzio | the problem with Danish is they only have three sounds; ae, ai, oe |
| 12:06.38 | Kalroth | we dont need more to order beer |
| 12:06.56 | Kalroth | "ai oe, ae?" |
| 12:07.00 | Maldivia | you don't need to say anything to order a beer, a finger is enough :) |
| 12:07.10 | Kalroth | except if its the middle finger |
| 12:07.13 | Humbedooh | Kalroth, yes, saying "ulot, kiitos" is very hard ;> |
| 12:07.14 | Kalroth | then you wont get a beer |
| 12:07.38 | Humbedooh | but once you go plural, then it gets fun :> |
| 12:07.44 | Maldivia | well, that's the sign that you've gotten too many beers |
| 12:08.40 | Humbedooh | aaw, I just re-remembered Scandinavia and the World - been too long since I've read that comic |
| 12:11.38 | zenzio | http://satwcomic.com/good-service |
| 12:11.51 | zenzio | Norway/Denmark/Sweden at its best |
| 12:13.09 | rtharper | indeed |
| 12:13.23 | rtharper | needs moar Iceland, though =p |
| 12:13.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 12:13.46 | mikma | humbedooh: ulot? :I |
| 12:14.09 | Humbedooh | mikma, can't I throw in gibberish without you finding out? .\ |
| 12:14.19 | mikma | humbedooh: negative :O |
| 12:14.20 | rtharper | actually, in danish, btw, everything sounds like either ø or æ |
| 12:14.54 | mikma | kalroth: "yksi olut, kiitos" |
| 12:14.59 | Humbedooh | rtharper, we actually have an elaborate scheme for how the wovels change |
| 12:15.06 | Kalroth | mikma: i was close |
| 12:15.13 | mikma | kalroth: you can also just say "iso kolmonen" ;D |
| 12:15.31 | Humbedooh | or "beer, please" - they understand English too! |
| 12:15.44 | mikma | kalroth: "big three" which means one large nr. 3 beer (3 is pretty strong in %) |
| 12:15.48 | Humbedooh | though they may serve you reindeer instead ;< |
| 12:15.52 | mikma | OLUT PERKELE |
| 12:16.01 | Humbedooh | hah |
| 12:16.08 | mikma | KALJAA KANSALLE! |
| 12:16.29 | zenzio | ei sa peittää! |
| 12:17.01 | mikma | is it just me, or does Prince Daniel look like a serial killer? |
| 12:17.24 | Humbedooh | or maybe he's superman! |
| 12:17.25 | zenzio | he does |
| 12:17.27 | mikma | i mean, he looks like he takes off his glasses and puts on a raincoat and starts swinging an axe |
| 12:18.02 | Humbedooh | mikma, someone has to take over when the king dies ;> |
| 12:18.08 | mikma | uh oh |
| 12:18.44 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg |
| 12:19.46 | airtonix | hey |
| 12:19.52 | Humbedooh | haha |
| 12:20.04 | Humbedooh | neutrality my a** :| |
| 12:20.31 | airtonix | umad? |
| 12:21.08 | zenzio | a**, is that a more advanced A*? |
| 12:21.46 | Humbedooh | could be |
| 12:22.04 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl9OyGYxOg&feature=related |
| 12:22.25 | mikma | touche |
| 12:24.06 | Humbedooh | he funny |
| 12:25.21 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 12:25.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest53368 (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 12:30.49 | *** join/#wowuidev WoWUI (~Valdarix@74-95-152-129-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 12:43.43 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 12:50.35 | Maldivia | for some reason, those videos led me to rytteriet and natholdet... so yeah, I've had a very fun half hour :P |
| 13:00.58 | *** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu) |
| 13:35.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.125) |
| 13:35.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.10 | *** join/#wowuidev boshi23__ (~chris@c-68-36-33-236.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 13:58.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamoka (~kcoughlin@c-69-141-137-45.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 14:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. There goes my firstborn child, into the mail. (again) |
| 14:11.59 | Dagmar | You know there's restrictions on what kind of biological materials you can mail without labeling them, right? |
| 14:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | I put a lot of labels on the envelope, it should get there just fine. |
| 14:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | And there wasn't a chicken pox lollipop in with, the dogs shouldn't bother the baby. |
| 14:25.16 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-66-30-213-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 14:25.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 14:29.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Monolit (~Strigoy@89.112.4.92.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 14:42.01 | Ackis | wait I thought Lopeppeppy had a dozen children already? |
| 14:42.20 | alestane | Only if you count the gnomes. |
| 14:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | I keep giving them away, Ackis, it's the secret to a quiet house. |
| 14:45.02 | Ackis | I just responded to a PM on CurseForge with: Pika, pika, piiiikkkaaa pikapeeekkk! |
| 14:45.21 | karl_w_w | I used to have children |
| 14:45.34 | karl_w_w | but the doctor said I had to start watching my cholesterol |
| 14:45.36 | Ackis | then you took an arrow to the knee? |
| 14:51.09 | Ackis | this disgusts me: http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/finally-outrage-in-china-against-bear-farming/ |
| 14:55.03 | BlackNet | indeed it does |
| 14:57.13 | BlackNet | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/12/02/21/0124238/hunters-shoot-down-drone-of-animal-rights-group <- |
| 14:58.49 | Maldivia | didn't know slashdot covered hunting now... |
| 14:59.33 | Ackis | best photobomb ever: http://i.imgur.com/io1mj.jpg |
| 15:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 15:04.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 15:05.20 | alestane | The face in the upper right? |
| 15:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Faces, plural. :) |
| 15:06.10 | Maldivia | pssh... that photobomb is just a myth... |
| 15:06.47 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 15:06.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.54 | alestane | Is that someone in particular that I can't manage to recognize because the picture is so grainy? |
| 15:07.35 | Ackis | alestane: the mythbusters |
| 15:07.53 | Maldivia | it's jamie hyneman and adam savage :P |
| 15:07.53 | alestane | Ah. I don't watch that enough to recognize them at a glance. |
| 15:09.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@67.58.77.206) |
| 15:11.31 | Ackis | I think alestane enjoys kicking my ass in hidden chronicles |
| 15:11.47 | alestane | All of twice or whatever it is? |
| 15:12.00 | Ackis | it seems like its more often :( |
| 15:12.10 | alestane | I'm 0 for 16 in FastFind against my wife. |
| 15:12.18 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:13.18 | Ackis | I score like 100k points and then lose to someone who gets 1.5 million |
| 15:23.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Jooka (~kcoughlin@c-69-141-137-45.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 15:38.28 | Fisker | why does Parnic drink so much haterade? |
| 15:39.05 | Fisker | i once killed biological materials |
| 15:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | censors herself VERY strictly. |
| 15:44.17 | Fisker | blanks out Lopeppeppy |
| 15:44.29 | Ackis | un-beeps Lopeppeppy |
| 16:04.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 16:14.49 | Fisker | i didn't beep her Ackis |
| 16:15.01 | Fisker | if you catch my drift |
| 16:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk |
| 16:21.40 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@124.150.42.179) |
| 16:21.56 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: Wait…you're redacted? |
| 16:22.38 | alestane | Exposure to pure unadulterated Peppy would be too much for most mortals |
| 16:23.08 | karl_w_w | so according to wolfram alpha there is more water in cheddar cheese than fat |
| 16:23.22 | karl_w_w | sounds wrong but if wolfram alpha says it, it must be true |
| 16:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | Very occasionally, I have to censor my thoughts to protect the unsuspecting, innocent IRC public. |
| 16:24.53 | Ackis | I just read this post on my guild boards: Apparently talk of baby eating is considered by Blizzard to be "Extreme Sexuality/Violence" so I have received a 48 hour ban. |
| 16:25.24 | Humbedooh | mmm baby back ribs |
| 16:25.50 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: When did the IRC public gain the powers of mind-reading? |
| 16:26.11 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, honey mustard baby fingers. |
| 16:26.21 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 16:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 16:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | Censorship is a must! *laugh* |
| 16:27.05 | Torhal|work | How did you get baby fingers into my attic? |
| 16:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Baby fingers are just smaller versions of lady fingers anways, people eat those all the time! *grump* |
| 16:27.12 | Ackis | Torhal|work: remember she has no soul |
| 16:27.27 | Torhal|work | Ackis: You poor, doomed bastard. |
| 16:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a ginger. I EAT SOULS, so I have plenty of them in the cupboard. |
| 16:29.56 | karl_w_w | http://damnyouautocorrect.com/images/baby-black.jpg ? |
| 16:29.56 | alestane | cogwheel: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/cogs-wheels-and-lovers/id364983993 |
| 16:30.20 | Torhal|work | What's scary is that this is from a channel on QuakeNet: |
| 16:30.22 | Torhal|work | [09:52:56] <chemical> umad? |
| 16:30.22 | Torhal|work | [09:52:56] <@Scrapbucket> `-FISKER_Q pretends to be sane |
| 16:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Steeleye Span is a good group. |
| 16:31.08 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 16:31.24 | Torhal|work | You mean Steely Dan? |
| 16:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | No. The link Alestane just posted. Steeleye Span. |
| 16:31.43 | Torhal|work | Oh. |
| 16:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | My favorite song doesn't appear to be on iTunes though. |
| 16:34.48 | Ackis | does anyone know how to connect to skype IM chat through the web? |
| 16:35.08 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: with the level of censorship you require, I'm not surprised :P |
| 16:35.53 | Lopeppeppy | http://youtu.be/yKWSuW1DbmU - You Will Burn. SFW, but disturbing in many ways. Folk music is the basic style. Intro goes to about 1:20 before the songs starts. |
| 16:39.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~Kalroth@d40aa98b.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 16:40.01 | Fisker | why wouldn't it be Ackis ? |
| 16:40.42 | Ackis | hmm? |
| 16:42.28 | Fisker | [17:24:53] <Ackis> I just read this post on my guild boards: Apparently talk of baby eating is considered by Blizzard to be "Extreme Sexuality/Violence" so I have received a 48 hour ban. |
| 16:43.18 | Ackis | I just htought it was funny |
| 16:43.22 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 16:43.30 | Fisker | eating babies is funny? |
| 16:43.35 | Ackis | yes |
| 16:43.40 | Ackis | just like not paying brokerage fees |
| 16:43.49 | alestane | Is that Peter Knight? Good gods, he's gotten old. |
| 16:44.35 | Fisker | i hate you Ackis |
| 16:44.52 | Ackis | feeling is mutual Fisker |
| 16:44.58 | Fisker | it is? :( |
| 16:45.02 | Torhal|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with pompy. |
| 16:45.13 | pompy | :O |
| 16:46.10 | Ackis | I hate you so much that my hate wraps around into love |
| 16:47.00 | pompy | :O http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/blog/3746120/PayPal_Now_Available_on_European_Battlenet-23_02_2012#blog |
| 16:49.59 | alestane | "It's there we'll forgive you and it's there we'll watch you die"...You're right Peppy, that's powerful and disturbing. |
| 16:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | Forgiveness has to come first, alestane. |
| 16:53.26 | alestane | Never kill in hatred. |
| 16:55.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 16:55.32 | Dagmar | Always kill in celebration. |
| 16:55.47 | Dagmar | 'One less undesirable in the future!" |
| 16:55.51 | alestane | Sorrow also works. |
| 16:56.19 | Dagmar | I prefer not to look at it as "One less potential victim", but thanks. |
| 16:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | Another one bites the dust. Yeah, another one's gone, another one's gone. Another one bites the dust. |
| 16:59.03 | alestane | "When you strike another, especially to kill, you're striking yourself. When you kill, the other takes a little part of you with them, past the Door. If you do it in anger, what they take is the part of you that feels. [...] Soon there's nothing left but a husk that walks and speaks and does skillful murder." |
| 17:00.35 | Fisker | been available for years pompy |
| 17:01.34 | Ackis | why do bosses want you to write your own job description? |
| 17:02.05 | alestane | Either because they need it on file and they figure you know it best, or because they want to replace you and they've forgotten what it is you do. |
| 17:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | Mine makes me write my own yearly review, Ackis! |
| 17:12.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 17:12.57 | Lunessa | Hello ladies. |
| 17:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 17:13.11 | alestane | ANy idea what happened to lua_bot, jnwhiteh? |
| 17:13.42 | jnwhiteh | alestane: he probably died due to freenode flakiness, just need to restart him |
| 17:14.16 | *** join/#wowuidev lua_bot (~lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com) |
| 17:18.30 | Fisker | haha EA |
| 17:19.25 | Fisker | http://bf3blog.com/2012/02/ea-cancels-mass-effect-3battlefield-3-pre-order-bonus/ <-dat EA |
| 17:21.23 | Fisker | how does that make you feel jnwhiteh ? |
| 17:21.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 17:27.37 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@f051174225.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:28.33 | Ackis | Fisker: I didn't even know that bonus existed, I may have pre-ordered it in that case |
| 17:30.54 | Ackis | I love origin |
| 17:31.05 | Ackis | I wished we could have SOPA support in Origin |
| 17:31.06 | Fisker | was also US only |
| 17:31.10 | Fisker | though idk maybe NA |
| 17:31.28 | Ackis | are you getting ME3? |
| 17:31.41 | durcyn | i'm geting me3 the first day it's available on steam |
| 17:35.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
| 17:38.42 | Adys | http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-02-blood-mystery.html |
| 17:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | My blood type is 403. |
| 17:40.53 | Lunessa | Mine os 500. |
| 17:41.05 | Fisker | mine is 404 :( |
| 17:41.14 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/1913848 copypasted article |
| 17:43.42 | Fisker | i wonder what my bloodtype is |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | googles it |
| 17:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | you can order test kits on the internet and find out, Fisker, it's very easy. |
| 17:44.13 | Fisker | googling is easier |
| 17:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'm actually O+, but I'm not allowed to donate due to being a genetic freakazoid and stuff. |
| 17:44.37 | Lunessa | UNiversal doner who can't donate…. *cry* |
| 17:45.00 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitch@2E6B3DE6.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 17:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | F'ing tell me about it. |
| 17:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | We have blood drives every other month here on campus, it would be super easy, I could just drop on by whenever they are here to do their vampire thing, no need to take time off of work. |
| 17:46.00 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: I'm O negative, but I'm not allowed to donate because they hate me, down at the hospital. |
| 17:46.36 | Fisker | did you hack their wifi? |
| 17:46.38 | mitchnull | they don't like weed |
| 17:46.47 | Adys | Fisker: not just their wifi.. |
| 17:49.25 | Ackis | Lunessa: O- is universal donor, O+ can't donate to half the blood types |
| 17:49.32 | Lunessa | They happily slurp up my blood for plateltes, plasma and whole blood whenver they can strap me down to a chair. |
| 17:49.45 | Lunessa | Ackis, Yeah, I realized that after i typed it. |
| 17:50.09 | Ackis | I'm O- and don't donate |
| 17:50.10 | Lunessa | O+ is universal reciever. |
| 17:50.21 | Ackis | AB+ is universal receiver |
| 17:50.24 | mitchnull | I'm Osomethingorother |
| 17:50.31 | Lunessa | Really? |
| 17:50.34 | Ackis | yeah |
| 17:50.41 | Ackis | O+ can take O- and O+ blood only |
| 17:50.44 | Lunessa | Damn it. *goes back to high school biology* |
| 17:51.01 | Ackis | AB+ can take A-/+, B-/+, O-/+ and AB-/+ |
| 17:51.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04DC54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:53.49 | Lunessa | See kiddies, this is what happens when you don't use things you learned 20+ years ago. |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | maybe its just you? :) |
| 17:55.10 | Lunessa | Could be. But I prefer to think not. |
| 17:55.25 | Fisker | my last trip on the hospital was 25 years ago apparently :O |
| 17:55.43 | durcyn | I think I speak for us all when I say you should be in the hospital again, Fisker. |
| 17:55.57 | Fisker | thats what she said |
| 17:56.27 | Adys | Lunessa: I never learned blood types at school |
| 17:56.41 | Fisker | it's pretty sucky |
| 17:56.43 | Adys | I just opened up wikipedia one day and learned them there |
| 17:56.46 | Fisker | we got all this medical shit online |
| 17:56.53 | Fisker | and they haven't even registered my blood type there |
| 17:57.08 | |Jelly| | yay universal donor |
| 17:57.25 | nevcairiel | i would rather be universal receiver then universal donor |
| 17:57.28 | Lunessa | Adys: It was a one-day thing in high school biology; we did this thing where we typed our own blood. Not every school does it, and even the ones that did allowed people to opt out. |
| 17:57.37 | |Jelly| | Yeah well, I didn't get a choice in the matter. :P |
| 17:57.51 | Fisker | and i'm apparently lazy |
| 17:57.58 | Adys | Lunessa: makes sense |
| 17:57.59 | Fisker | was in the hospital for 8 days |
| 17:58.12 | Adys | schools' gotta protect themselves from all those darn hemophobics! |
| 17:58.32 | Adys | Fisker: it was pretty much the idea behind Google Health |
| 17:58.39 | Adys | sad that it failed miserably |
| 17:58.47 | Lunessa | actually, I think today the worry is more about AIDS or other disease exposure. |
| 17:58.53 | nevcairiel | i bet all those privacy people complained |
| 17:59.06 | Adys | nevcairiel: yes; though what they dont say is why is actually failed |
| 17:59.14 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (~drag@mna75-2-82-67-196-34.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:59.41 | Adys | nevcairiel: it was more about medical companies and hospital not chipping in, most of them because they had stupid 1995 backwards systems as their joke of an IT infrastructure |
| 18:00.03 | Adys | fuck, its a wonder some can access the net at all |
| 18:00.15 | Fisker | i had accidental lulz today at work btw |
| 18:00.27 | Adys | you work? |
| 18:00.29 | Fisker | Was looking at some case handling system |
| 18:00.30 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:00.35 | Fisker | and they exported data to horse.xml |
| 18:00.43 | Lunessa | I thought all he did was troll irc and fourms. |
| 18:00.43 | Fisker | well horse translated from danish to english |
| 18:00.44 | Adys | i thought you just spent your days masturbating under a bridge |
| 18:00.46 | Fisker | i lol'd irl |
| 18:01.21 | Fisker | i'm very good at trolling irc and forums while i pretend to work Lunessa |
| 18:01.30 | Lunessa | Congratulations? |
| 18:01.36 | Fisker | thanks |
| 18:01.42 | Adys | Google noted that Cranor's research called out Microsoft's own msn.com and live.com for providing invalid P3P policy statements, and notes that the research (from 2010) also showed that "Microsoft's support website recommends the use of invalid CPs as a work-around for a problem in IE." |
| 18:01.45 | Adys | Fucking |
| 18:01.47 | Adys | christing |
| 18:01.48 | Adys | hell |
| 18:02.10 | nevcairiel | i thought that part was funny |
| 18:02.16 | Nechckn | lol nice! |
| 18:02.19 | Adys | I mean holy fuck; i used to have respect for MS |
| 18:02.27 | Lunessa | Adys: Read the rest of the article. Someone posted an example of how to format, and a lot of people just copied the invalid policy in the example. |
| 18:02.30 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@f051174225.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:02.35 | nevcairiel | Without understanding P3P, but cant everyone just come up with a fake cert? :p |
| 18:02.44 | nevcairiel | seems like a useless system |
| 18:03.06 | Fisker | but Adys they were technically correct |
| 18:03.15 | foxlit | nevcairiel: can't everyone lie in their privacy policies anyway? |
| 18:03.25 | foxlit | "we won't sell your data ever" ==> sell all the data! |
| 18:03.40 | Lunessa | So many things about the security of the web and privacy are all just half-assed and poorly implemented. |
| 18:03.46 | Adys | Tomorrow on IE12: "Our SSL implementation is broken, so if you really need to, serve us a fake SSL cert and we'll just accept it." |
| 18:04.16 | nevcairiel | I think the part about accepting invalid P3P certs was actually in the spec, or did i remember that wrong |
| 18:04.33 | foxlit | Adys: I imagine that already applies to all browsers. |
| 18:04.39 | Adys | you mean headers, nevcairiel |
| 18:04.50 | Adys | foxlit: misworded "accept" |
| 18:04.58 | Adys | meant validate |
| 18:05.27 | foxlit | I was thinking more in terms of certificate revocation lists being blissfully ignored if unreachable. |
| 18:06.01 | nevcairiel | well if you dont know what was revoked, you really can't just start invalidating everyone, that would cause severe outcrys :d |
| 18:06.49 | foxlit | P3P presumably suffers from a similar problem: you can't just block everyone who doesn't serve a P3P policy -- entirely legitimate services would break. |
| 18:07.36 | nevcairiel | Well, the big problem here was that providing basically invalid P3P headers still circumvent the users security settings |
| 18:07.38 | foxlit | not that the "YOU BYPASSED MY PRIVACY SETTINGS!" complaints are reasonable. |
| 18:08.22 | nevcairiel | Also, i wonder if IE even mentions that in some cases it will still save 3rd party cookies, even when you told it not to |
| 18:08.24 | Adys | you get what you pay for |
| 18:08.39 | Adys | if you're using IE and care about privacy/security... |
| 18:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously want a 27 pound lobster for dinner. |
| 18:09.08 | durcyn | so you're suggesting we go back in time five years and buy an opera license because all browsers are free, therefore suck? |
| 18:09.24 | Nechckn | You are my kind of lady, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:09.41 | alestane | THey're nasty when they get big, Peppy. |
| 18:09.48 | alestane | All stringy-watery. |
| 18:09.51 | nevcairiel | durcyn: is that about the time when opera couldn't even render a html <table> properly? |
| 18:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah-but! |
| 18:10.06 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 18:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | Biggest I've eaten was I think 4 pounds. |
| 18:10.13 | Nechckn | alestane has a good point, how about 27 1 pound lobsters? |
| 18:10.20 | durcyn | nevcairiel: I dunno, I never used it when they tried to actually charge for it. Funny that. |
| 18:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | How about... 14 two-pound lobsters! |
| 18:10.37 | nevcairiel | I never used it, period. :) |
| 18:10.47 | alestane | That's a good zone. |
| 18:10.50 | durcyn | nevcairiel: alternatively, they were just forward-thinking and getting ahead of the curve of not using tables anymore |
| 18:11.04 | Nechckn | And then you could give the extra pound to me, Lopeppeppy ;-) |
| 18:11.11 | nevcairiel | you know, if you want to show data in form of a table ... using a table is good. :p |
| 18:11.26 | nevcairiel | its just not the preferred choice for layouting the whole page anymore |
| 18:11.54 | Fisker | tickles kd3 |
| 18:12.04 | Lunessa | CSS positioning of elements FTW |
| 18:12.08 | Nechckn | Sort of like devices that do not support Flash, today - you lose out on many a site just because it is so widespread. |
| 18:12.17 | Lopeppeppy | For 100 dollars, I can get hot NFL shoes! http://www.herstar.com/collections/nfl |
| 18:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | is almost embarassed to be female right now. |
| 18:12.28 | nevcairiel | with devices, you mean apple devices |
| 18:12.43 | Nechckn | I did not want to point fingeers |
| 18:12.50 | foxlit | layouts are hard :( |
| 18:13.17 | Nechckn | lynx, FTW! |
| 18:13.21 | durcyn | advocating flash because you dislike apple is a terrible choice to have made, Nechckn, I hope you're able to sleep at night. |
| 18:13.26 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: If a woman showed up to a date wearing any of those shoes, it would be the last date. |
| 18:14.14 | Lopeppeppy | I'm insane, Lunessa, I'll wear a jersey and my lucky sweat pants and the keychain and all of that. But those shoes just... I could drive the spike heel through someone's temple. |
| 18:14.18 | Nechckn | Go Flash, go! |
| 18:15.06 | Nechckn | could really not care less about it, just noting the similarity. Have a few fruit products, too, so I am just all confused! |
| 18:16.22 | alestane | While wearing the shoe, Peppy? |
| 18:16.23 | durcyn | anyway, <table> wasn't a massively insecure resource-intensive third party plugin, therefore argument is invalid? |
| 18:16.42 | Lunessa | A friend of mine works for a major design/hosting company - the universal opinion in their shop is "Flash is a nuclear weapon detonated on the web." |
| 18:17.04 | nevcairiel | if you're wieleding them, nuclear weapons are good, right? |
| 18:17.12 | Adys | i hate when people avoid table at all costs |
| 18:17.24 | Nechckn | Meh - all about the access to the information. If someone wants it, they should be able to get it. |
| 18:17.44 | Adys | there are new css layouts in css3 which make it a real breeze to design any sort of layout |
| 18:17.58 | Adys | but if you want to present tabular data, use a fucking table |
| 18:18.01 | durcyn | because flash is accessible as mud. you ever see a blind person successfully navigate a flash blob? |
| 18:18.43 | Adys | <durcyn> advocating flash because you dislike apple is a terrible choice to have made, Nechckn, I hope you're able to sleep at night. |
| 18:18.50 | alestane | And it fosters attitudes like http://clientsfromhell.net/post/17833351369/me-the-internet-isnt-working-but-dont-worry |
| 18:18.53 | Adys | what happened to flash was doomed to happen |
| 18:19.02 | Adys | if apple hadnt done it, someone else would have down the line |
| 18:19.24 | Adys | adobe should have made flash fully open instead of waiting how long it could live; it was doomed to fail *eventually* |
| 18:20.00 | Nechckn | Surely - and it really should maybe DIAF now, but it has not, so the user gets the penalty. |
| 18:20.13 | Adys | No |
| 18:20.19 | Adys | at this point, companies are getting the penalties |
| 18:20.38 | Lunessa | When they bought Macromedia in '97 they were looking at "how to make phat stacks of benjies" not "how to make the web a better place." |
| 18:21.07 | Adys | it used to be: "if you use flash, you can have awesome graphic effects and dynamic content" |
| 18:21.11 | alestane | Also, very few people looked at the Web as a malware vector. |
| 18:21.17 | Fisker | you suck durcyn |
| 18:21.31 | Lunessa | And games! Don't forget games! |
| 18:21.48 | durcyn | sometimes Fisker |
| 18:21.50 | Adys | with javascript/jit advances, it became "if you use flash, you don't have any gains but you can do the same as with js" |
| 18:22.01 | Nechckn | tickles Fisker behind his sexy, fury, troll ear. |
| 18:22.06 | alestane | Rather like DNS; it was assumed that everyone wanted to use it to help people find stuff, not that people would hijack it and cause people to not find anything but "OMG MALWARE SITE" |
| 18:22.24 | Nechckn | Furry Fury, even... |
| 18:22.25 | Fisker | anyway durcyn flash or not |
| 18:22.26 | Adys | now its at the point where using flash is a technical inconvenience (you can do *less* than with js/html) and a user inconvenience (users will not always be able to view content) |
| 18:22.31 | Fisker | Apple's argument was fucking retarded |
| 18:22.36 | Fisker | especially in light of them being apple |
| 18:23.19 | durcyn | are you going to turn into a massive android fanboy and shit up the channel again? |
| 18:23.43 | Fisker | Don't need to be an android fanboy to know that Apple is retarded |
| 18:24.00 | Nechckn | Maybe he will just re-hash old, accepted Flash bashing stuff... would that be better? |
| 18:24.04 | durcyn | also, the use of mental illness as a pejorative is a bit immature, no? |
| 18:24.15 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 18:24.17 | durcyn | nevcairiel: approved |
| 18:24.21 | durcyn | er Nechckn |
| 18:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I can't kick that high. You knock her over, I'll steal her shoe, and nail her in the head with it. |
| 18:24.34 | Fisker | The entity apple is mentally handicapped |
| 18:24.47 | Humbedooh | but making lots of money! |
| 18:25.00 | Nechckn | Mmmmm monies! |
| 18:26.11 | Adys | can anyone recommend a fast and compliant window manager that supports compositing? |
| 18:26.23 | Fisker | dwm :3 |
| 18:26.40 | Adys | openbox is nice but the xcompmgr bullshit is hard to deal with. Dagmar / Arrowmaster ? |
| 18:26.43 | Humbedooh | fluxbox? :\ |
| 18:27.23 | Adys | Humbedooh: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Compositing |
| 18:27.29 | Adys | relies on xcompmgr |
| 18:27.46 | Nechckn | I think these three requirements makes it a needle in a haystack, Adys |
| 18:28.12 | Adys | i believe there arent that many compositing window managers |
| 18:28.17 | Adys | so it'd be an obvious needle |
| 18:28.39 | Fisker | non-existant needle in a a fistful of hay? |
| 18:28.52 | haste | Fisker: dwm isn't compliant and doesn't have composite support :p |
| 18:29.16 | Fisker | but :( |
| 18:29.36 | haste | I'd say i3 for tiling tho' |
| 18:29.44 | haste | recently switched my laptop from dwm to i3 :O! |
| 18:30.08 | Adys | haste: i3? (ungooglable)* |
| 18:30.17 | Adys | found it |
| 18:30.25 | Fisker | oh ic haste |
| 18:30.43 | Fisker | dwm is also the name for Windows' window manager haste :O |
| 18:30.45 | haste | Adys: http://i3wm.org |
| 18:30.51 | haste | lol Fisker |
| 18:30.53 | Fisker | didn't know there was a linux one called dwm too |
| 18:30.53 | Adys | haste: compositing? |
| 18:31.15 | Adys | Fisker: DWM is pretty awful (the windows one) |
| 18:31.21 | Adys | good compositing but horrible perf |
| 18:31.28 | haste | I thought I wrote that it didn't support any compositing :( |
| 18:31.43 | haste | is horribly tired and only manages to write half of what he thinks. |
| 18:31.58 | Adys | nice |
| 18:32.01 | haste | http://dwm.suckless.org/ was thinking of this dwm Fisker :P |
| 18:32.20 | Adys | openbox is perfect as is |
| 18:32.21 | Fisker | yeah wikipedia'd when you said you switched from dwm to i3 |
| 18:32.26 | Adys | but I need compositing |
| 18:32.35 | haste | why do you need it? |
| 18:33.01 | Adys | because im building a distro and it looks shit without :P |
| 18:33.24 | Adys | not to mention transparency-on-move is really useful |
| 18:34.00 | haste | there's always gnome2! |
| 18:34.06 | Adys | qt-based |
| 18:34.23 | Adys | i was using kwin till recently which was somewhat perfect |
| 18:34.25 | Adys | but ffs |
| 18:34.27 | mitchnull | openbox is not qt based either, or is it? |
| 18:34.36 | Adys | will people stop relying on stupid kde libs |
| 18:34.48 | Adys | mitchnull: it doesn't rely on gtk either, it does its own rendering |
| 18:34.54 | mitchnull | adys: xfce's wm also does (minimal) compositing |
| 18:35.02 | Adys | thats gtk based isnt it? |
| 18:35.06 | mitchnull | dunno |
| 18:35.07 | Adys | whats its name? |
| 18:35.16 | mitchnull | xfwm probably |
| 18:35.32 | mitchnull | http://www.xfce.org/projects/xfwm4 |
| 18:35.36 | Nechckn | Adys I take it you already looked at http://wiki.compiz.org/ |
| 18:35.42 | Adys | thats gtk-based |
| 18:35.47 | Adys | and its also awful |
| 18:35.55 | Nechckn | KK... just checkin' |
| 18:36.40 | mitchnull | adys: yup, gtk (xfwm4) |
| 18:36.48 | Adys | =/ |
| 18:37.29 | Nechckn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers help? |
| 18:37.35 | mitchnull | hack compositing into twm |
| 18:38.02 | Nechckn | bah, all already talked about - that have composting. nvm. |
| 18:40.42 | mitchnull | xcompmgr, unagi (http://unagi.mini-dweeb.org/) |
| 18:40.46 | mitchnull | take a look at those |
| 18:40.59 | Adys | i.. know of xcompmgr, i said its annoying :P |
| 18:41.29 | Adys | hadnt heard of unagi |
| 18:41.30 | Adys | interesting |
| 18:41.45 | mitchnull | dunno what's this xcb lib is |
| 18:41.51 | Adys | x c bindings |
| 18:41.55 | mitchnull | but it seems it only uses that |
| 18:41.58 | mitchnull | ah |
| 18:42.05 | mitchnull | so it's pretty hard-core then |
| 18:42.07 | Adys | all wms use it |
| 18:42.08 | Adys | yea |
| 18:42.31 | Adys | mitchnull: the problem with compositing managers is they cant always use compositing dynamically enough |
| 18:42.41 | mitchnull | I did some hard-core X dev at uni, and all I remember is that it was godawful ;) |
| 18:43.13 | Adys | eg its hell to get xcompmgr working to get transparent windows on move |
| 18:43.13 | mitchnull | after that even motif was happyland |
| 18:43.13 | Adys | or to get a prettier Alt+Tab |
| 18:43.27 | Adys | mitchnull: did you check Wayland out? |
| 18:43.37 | mitchnull | I don't really beleive in wayland |
| 18:43.50 | Adys | what are you, an awayist? |
| 18:44.07 | mitchnull | not exactly |
| 18:44.21 | mitchnull | but I don't see it as best thing since sliced bread |
| 18:44.35 | Adys | its not, but x is shit and wayland is going to be a solid replacement for it |
| 18:44.38 | mitchnull | I'd rather see X improved |
| 18:44.50 | Adys | yeah no offense but thats not gonna happen |
| 18:44.56 | mitchnull | probably not |
| 18:44.58 | Adys | its a bit like saying "I'd rather see HTTP improved" |
| 18:44.58 | mitchnull | ;) |
| 18:45.25 | Nechckn | +2 Adys! |
| 18:45.36 | Nechckn | x makes me sad... |
| 18:45.48 | mitchnull | anyway, it couldn't be that hard to rewrite one of the compositing wm's to use qt instead of gtk |
| 18:46.25 | Nechckn | I think he does not like qt though |
| 18:46.29 | *** join/#wowuidev nebula169 (~nebula@c-75-72-138-186.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 18:46.35 | Adys | id rather have a pure C one like openbox |
| 18:46.50 | Adys | and wtf are tabbed windows? it says Kwin supports tabbed window management, ive never seen that |
| 18:46.59 | mitchnull | well, then donate some $$$ to openbox team to implement compositing |
| 18:47.13 | Adys | they dont seem interested in implementing it at all |
| 18:47.46 | Nechckn | Offer more cash, there should be a tipping point. =D |
| 18:47.59 | Adys | i dont have that much cash to blow into it |
| 18:48.06 | Adys | i rather offer dev help |
| 18:48.09 | Nechckn | Nah, understand. |
| 18:48.16 | mitchnull | adys: btw: razor needs some tranzient-effects when moving in the "start" menu. right now the submenus *BAM* into your face. that's bad |
| 18:48.17 | Lopeppeppy | Money changes everything. Money makes the world go around. Money lifts us up where we belong. |
| 18:48.49 | Adys | think im gonna look into kwin again |
| 18:48.52 | Adys | maybe i can get rid of the kde libs |
| 18:49.07 | mitchnull | adys: right now it starts up too slowly |
| 18:49.10 | mitchnull | (kwin) |
| 18:49.29 | mitchnull | xfwm4, openbox, twm: instant, kwin: 1-3 sec |
| 18:49.31 | mitchnull | (with razor) |
| 18:49.43 | Adys | openbox crashes here |
| 18:49.49 | Adys | if i run openbox --replace it crashes |
| 18:49.56 | Adys | it runs fine on login |
| 18:50.04 | mitchnull | never tried that |
| 18:50.05 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy Did you use your liza voice for that? |
| 18:50.14 | mitchnull | I just logged in and out a lot of time |
| 18:50.29 | mitchnull | btw, it's a shame linux doesn't have a decent switch user functionality... |
| 18:50.30 | Adys | its fucking annoying kwin git is in kde-workspace |
| 18:50.32 | Adys | i mean GOD |
| 18:50.38 | Adys | mitchnull: how so? |
| 18:50.44 | Adys | lightdm handles user switching fine |
| 18:50.45 | mitchnull | how so what? |
| 18:50.51 | Adys | user switching |
| 18:51.10 | mitchnull | how do you switch from within a login session (in razor, for example)? |
| 18:51.45 | mitchnull | I only saw semi-working switch-user in kde |
| 18:51.50 | Adys | menu -> leave -> logout |
| 18:51.57 | Adys | oh, from within |
| 18:52.07 | Adys | that needs to be implemented, but ive seen it in Unity (ubuntu) |
| 18:52.22 | mitchnull | yeah, just implement it better then kde then :) |
| 18:52.24 | Adys | god i really need to get more into c++, its crippling me |
| 18:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | No, I was singing in a muppet voice like I belonged in Moulin Rouge. |
| 18:52.45 | mitchnull | you accidently typed that out peppy |
| 18:55.09 | mitchnull | adys: w/ regards to kwin and it's stupid place: I just wish someone with a voice at kde would make them drop this semantic desktop bs... at least make that totally optional (along with akonadi/soprano/virtuoso...) |
| 18:55.25 | Adys | forget about it, kde will die |
| 18:55.44 | Adys | they went into the path of hell |
| 18:55.50 | mitchnull | sorta |
| 18:55.54 | Adys | which is "lets try and keep up with mobile technologies... on a desktop!" |
| 18:56.01 | Adys | fuck |
| 18:56.09 | mitchnull | but all the rest needs to get their shit together w/ regards to looks |
| 18:56.10 | Adys | i wish people.. DESIGNERS would understand that |
| 18:56.25 | Adys | you dont get a better product by copying what works in a different area |
| 18:56.38 | mitchnull | adys: erm, kde is the least affected by that disease |
| 18:56.48 | mitchnull | gnome is in much worse shape ;) |
| 18:56.51 | Adys | you adapt the ideas, you improve upon them, and you devise ways for people to like your area more |
| 18:57.13 | Adys | mitchnull: gnome is in a more complicated situation |
| 18:57.29 | Adys | they're being poured tons of money by canonical to develop tablet-friendly solutions |
| 18:57.35 | Adys | but they're doing a better job than kde at it |
| 18:57.39 | mitchnull | yeah, for one I hate it irrationally, so they won't get anywhere anyway ;) |
| 18:57.53 | Adys | what i mean is, Unity/gnome will work fine on a tablet |
| 18:57.56 | Adys | kde certainly wont |
| 18:58.19 | mitchnull | *shrug*, we'll see. some new tablet thing is just coming out with some kde UI |
| 18:58.33 | Adys | i like where ubuntu is headed; they're headed to be a solid second alternative to proprietary OSes on tablet |
| 18:58.36 | Adys | as a desktop, they fail |
| 18:58.47 | Adys | of course that pisses people off if they have a gnome desktop |
| 18:59.03 | mitchnull | they deserve their pain anyway for sticking with gnome |
| 18:59.12 | mitchnull | but back on topic |
| 18:59.22 | mitchnull | please make razor a viable alternative ;) |
| 18:59.25 | Adys | nobody deserves any pain right now because there are no *real* alternatives |
| 18:59.26 | mitchnull | I'll be happy to switch |
| 18:59.27 | Adys | exactly |
| 18:59.38 | Adys | razor and xfce need to become more popular |
| 18:59.49 | Adys | also xfce needs to up its shit |
| 18:59.54 | mitchnull | it needs some more eye-candy |
| 18:59.56 | Adys | cant blame them too much since they're gtk based... |
| 19:00.03 | Adys | mitchnull: razor or xfce? |
| 19:00.12 | mitchnull | preferrably razor |
| 19:00.17 | Adys | im working on that |
| 19:00.33 | Adys | right now im looking into building a solid wm/compositor couple |
| 19:00.35 | mitchnull | have you noted my request about the *BAM IN YOUR FACE* popup windows? |
| 19:00.42 | Adys | which? |
| 19:00.58 | Adys | im also working on proper notifications |
| 19:01.09 | mitchnull | when you navigate in the start menu, the subpopups change too rapidly |
| 19:01.22 | Adys | did you file a bug? link? |
| 19:01.27 | mitchnull | no |
| 19:01.34 | mitchnull | but I did tell you ;) |
| 19:01.54 | Adys | right |
| 19:01.56 | Adys | thats compositing |
| 19:02.04 | Adys | i guess you mean you want a fade-in? |
| 19:02.07 | mitchnull | sorta |
| 19:02.16 | mitchnull | a fast one, but still not *BAM* |
| 19:02.20 | Adys | thats compositing; xcompmgr actually handles that |
| 19:02.25 | Adys | those are menu windows |
| 19:03.01 | Adys | xcompmgr -cCfF -t-5 -l-5 -r4.2 -o.55 -D2 -m.86 |
| 19:03.02 | Adys | try this |
| 19:04.03 | mitchnull | noted. I'm in kde now though, and won't have time for tests anyway. kids are in the bath :) |
| 19:04.29 | Adys | actually |
| 19:04.31 | Adys | try D4 |
| 19:04.33 | Adys | not D2 |
| 19:04.34 | mitchnull | adys: also, grats on the razor launcher. that's lightning fast ;) |
| 19:04.53 | Adys | thanks but i dont actually contribute much code to razor, just design ideas/reports |
| 19:05.19 | mitchnull | (that could also use some animations, but not bad as is) |
| 19:05.40 | mitchnull | hm. my bottom console is lighter than the one above it |
| 19:05.54 | Adys | ? |
| 19:05.56 | mitchnull | ah, it's probly just the "bold green" too light |
| 19:08.11 | mitchnull | I kinda hate konsole, too |
| 19:08.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool019.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 19:08.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 19:08.49 | mitchnull | & (hating konsole in the korner) |
| 19:10.36 | Adys | mitchnull: qterminal ? |
| 19:11.03 | Adys | mitchnull: if you dont have packages, build this: git://gitorious.org/qterminal/qtermwidget.git git://gitorious.org/qterminal/qterminal.git |
| 19:13.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraftman (~Kraftman@31.102.247.119) |
| 19:14.01 | mitchnull | later, gotta put the kids to bed now |
| 19:14.09 | Adys | later |
| 19:14.28 | mitchnull | (also, do get razor and the recommended apps into arch repos, please :) |
| 19:14.37 | Adys | im so not in control of that |
| 19:14.42 | mitchnull | who is? |
| 19:14.50 | Adys | some random guy |
| 19:15.01 | Adys | try the razor-qt google group |
| 19:15.07 | Adys | lots of package managers there |
| 19:15.25 | mitchnull | kk |
| 19:15.28 | Adys | for the time being tbh its better to self-build |
| 19:15.40 | mitchnull | well, AUR is ok |
| 19:15.56 | mitchnull | but it would be nice to have proper packages |
| 19:16.02 | mikma | http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ |
| 19:16.15 | mitchnull | mikma: offtopic |
| 19:16.58 | mitchnull | & |
| 19:19.09 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Work (~quassel@99-50-80-110.lightspeed.lsanca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:22.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (~TC@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC) |
| 19:23.17 | Jamash | http://i.imgur.com/dCCOA.jpg |
| 19:23.44 | Adys | Man |
| 19:23.46 | Adys | github is *fun* |
| 19:24.04 | Jamash | Neil Patrick Harris IS Julius Caesar IN "THE EMPEROR STRIKES BACK" |
| 19:24.10 | Adys | seriously |
| 19:24.18 | Jamash | git is still bad |
| 19:24.25 | Adys | I dont think theres a single website out there that actually makes coding *fun* |
| 19:24.47 | Adys | Jamash: and you're still a useless troll, go die in a painful ice lake |
| 19:24.54 | Jamash | hey |
| 19:24.57 | Jamash | I'm a useful troll |
| 19:25.09 | Dagmar | Adys: "other people's" websites. :) |
| 19:25.16 | Adys | Dagmar: ? |
| 19:25.55 | Jamash | I actually signed up for github yesterday and forked a project |
| 19:25.59 | Dagmar | Coding on other people's websites when they're not looking is lots of fun. :) |
| 19:26.10 | *** join/#wowuidev nebula169` (~nebula@c-75-72-138-186.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:26.16 | Adys | lol |
| 19:26.18 | Jamash | it was unpainful |
| 19:26.54 | Adys | Jamash: git is fun if you have previous experience with other version control software |
| 19:27.02 | Adys | as in, if you see how bad it can be out there |
| 19:27.18 | Adys | but github; man |
| 19:27.21 | Jamash | I've been using subversion for years mang |
| 19:28.15 | Adys | then.. were you actually serious when you said git is bad? |
| 19:28.18 | Jamash | and I still think that requiring everyone to download the entire version history of your project to work on it is stupid |
| 19:28.27 | Adys | haha |
| 19:28.52 | Jamash | did I tell you about the time I tried to get a forked linux kernel over git and I couldn't? |
| 19:28.52 | Adys | forking Linux's entire version history takes a couple minutes |
| 19:29.14 | Jamash | couldn't, as in, could not, was impossible, full stop |
| 19:29.33 | Adys | blame the servers and nobody else |
| 19:29.40 | Jamash | I had flaky wifi and if it died during the transfer, guess what, git can't resume because it's bad |
| 19:30.13 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Work (~quassel@99-50-80-110.lightspeed.lsanca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:30.15 | Adys | Jamash: that has been in the works |
| 19:30.18 | Adys | iirc it was a gsoc |
| 19:30.19 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 19:30.19 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:30.23 | Adys | (resuming downloads that is) |
| 19:31.14 | Adys | Jamash: but the thing is, git very rarely needs net access |
| 19:31.23 | Adys | while subversion needs access for.. like.. everything |
| 19:31.31 | Jamash | and when you do need it, it's not there |
| 19:31.36 | TC-Work | i really hate LA. people who buy 100K+ super sportscars and then drive at 15 miles an hour need to be shot. |
| 19:31.53 | Jamash | TC-Work: Better than people who buy 100K+ super sportscars and then drive at 100mph |
| 19:31.59 | Adys | Jamash: you're a LOT more likely to be *working* without net access, than branching a new repo or pushing your changes |
| 19:32.02 | TC-Work | Jamash: that i can handle |
| 19:32.26 | Jamash | I wouldn't mind git if full-repo-cloning was an *option* instead of being mandatory |
| 19:32.30 | Adys | Jamash: when you work with git, you have ready access to the entire repo history. logs, old diffs, etc |
| 19:32.51 | Adys | Jamash: i believe there is a way to clone only specific revisions of a repository, but dont ask me how |
| 19:33.01 | Adys | and it certainly should not be default |
| 19:33.16 | Jamash | Adys: you can but it's worthless |
| 19:33.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 19:33.38 | Adys | Jamash: if you have a flaky connection i cant even believe you're seriously defending svn |
| 19:33.44 | Jamash | you get one revision that you can neither submit changes back to upstream nor update when a new upstream revision comes out |
| 19:33.45 | Adys | for christ sake you need web access to see the log |
| 19:33.49 | mitchnull | adys: hg is still better than git |
| 19:33.57 | Adys | whatever wrt hg |
| 19:34.05 | mitchnull | and they're fucking up svn with sqlite lately |
| 19:34.35 | Adys | i dont mind hg; i believe git is better but its to the point of personal preference, no strong arguments |
| 19:34.53 | Adys | im strongly against *bad* version control software |
| 19:34.57 | Adys | as in cvs and subversion |
| 19:35.01 | mitchnull | cvs roxorz! :) |
| 19:35.04 | mitchnull | (not) |
| 19:35.18 | Adys | i cant believe its still in use |
| 19:35.20 | mitchnull | anyway, I kinda had the idea to reimplement hg in c++ to get rid of the python dependency |
| 19:35.23 | Adys | i really cant believe its STILL IN USE |
| 19:35.25 | Adys | damn |
| 19:35.32 | Jamash | mitchnull: I'm sorry? |
| 19:35.37 | Adys | mitchnull: x_x |
| 19:35.45 | mitchnull | ? |
| 19:35.46 | Adys | mitchnull: just use git if you want to get rid of the python dep |
| 19:35.55 | Jamash | I'm sorry that you had that idea |
| 19:35.58 | *** join/#wowuidev daev (~bleh@184.18.61.101) |
| 19:36.05 | Jamash | C++ is also bad |
| 19:36.07 | mitchnull | and grab perl/sh/dunnowhatotherawfulgluelangue dep instead? :) |
| 19:36.23 | Adys | git tools are in perl but git itself doesnt depend on perl |
| 19:36.23 | mitchnull | jamash: nah, it has some quirks, but it's still the most fun language |
| 19:36.28 | Adys | only the stupid package managers do it this way |
| 19:36.35 | Jamash | if you're a masochist, yeah |
| 19:36.40 | Adys | most git commands are in C |
| 19:36.49 | mikma | mitchnull: this channel is offtopic, get used to it |
| 19:37.02 | Jamash | mikma: your face is offtopic |
| 19:37.06 | Adys | mitchnull: in fact, if you're going to rewrite anything, rewrite the few perl git commands that are left |
| 19:37.11 | Adys | they're looking for help with that |
| 19:40.02 | pompy | humongous changelog for bf3 patch being worked on http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/23/dice-details-next-big-battlefield-3-fix-list/ |
| 19:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev daev` (~bleh@184.18.61.101) |
| 19:43.33 | Ackis | hey pompy |
| 19:43.54 | Ackis | when are you going to server transfer to play with Matt and I? |
| 19:47.14 | mitchnull | adys: git corrupts my brain |
| 19:47.41 | mitchnull | mikma: you lost your sense of humor somewhere :) (or didn't read back) |
| 19:47.59 | TC-Work | Ackis: making someone pay to play with you is 2x torture |
| 19:48.18 | Adys | mitchnull: btw, libgit2 is complete |
| 19:48.34 | Adys | mitchnull: which means if you want you can write a basic git client using libgit2 in pure c or even c++ |
| 19:48.35 | Jamash | realid groups = no need to transfer |
| 19:48.38 | Ackis | TC-Work: :( I'm a good player |
| 19:49.00 | Cide | can't do current raids in real id groups |
| 19:49.46 | mitchnull | adys: but I don't |
| 19:49.50 | TC-Work | Ackis: i was not talking about your skills..... |
| 19:49.52 | mitchnull | (want to touch git in any way) |
| 19:50.02 | Adys | mitchnull: care to explain why? |
| 19:50.15 | Adys | i mean i can understand prefering hg/git over the other |
| 19:50.21 | Adys | but they're almost the fucking same |
| 19:50.23 | mitchnull | adys: git's commands are braindead |
| 19:50.30 | mitchnull | or at least my brain is not wired that way |
| 19:50.32 | Adys | yeah that doesnt explain me why |
| 19:52.15 | mitchnull | if I blow my time on something, I'd at least blow it on something I personally like |
| 19:52.22 | mitchnull | so, it's not gonna be git |
| 19:52.27 | Jamash | you can do raid finder DS but not normal or heroic |
| 19:52.44 | Adys | mitchnull: i dont understand your complaint about git |
| 19:53.00 | Adys | as i said, hg and git are almost the same; how can your brain not accept git's workflow if it works fine with hg? |
| 19:53.04 | Jamash | git's command set was designed for space aliens |
| 19:53.13 | Jamash | mitchnull is not a space alien |
| 19:54.09 | Adys | anyone here good with cmake? |
| 19:54.26 | mitchnull | although, I'll look into git's repo layout and protocol, if it's that much better than hg, I might do a "git without the quirks" in c++ :) |
| 19:54.35 | mitchnull | adys: nobody is good with cmake |
| 19:54.36 | Cide | I've used it a fair amount recently but I wouldn't consider myself good by any stretch of the imagination |
| 19:54.42 | Cide | probably what mitchnull said |
| 19:54.45 | Adys | Cide: you used cmake macros? |
| 19:54.46 | mitchnull | apparently it's impossible to create a sane build system |
| 19:54.49 | Cide | nope |
| 19:54.52 | Adys | arggh |
| 19:55.33 | Adys | im trying to fork kwin into its own repo and make it not rely on kde libs. but it needs a couple of kde-specific cmake macros |
| 19:55.51 | Adys | i copypasted the macros into cmakelists.txt, |
| 19:56.05 | Adys | which works for that file, but not the submodules' cmakelists.txt |
| 20:05.33 | Cide | "If you don't want to do that, find your root CMakeLists.txt and implement the macro or function there, and every single child directory in the entire hierarchy will inherit that particular function or macro and have complete access to it." |
| 20:05.36 | Cide | are you sure? |
| 20:06.38 | Adys | mmh yeah quite sure |
| 20:06.54 | Adys | but there might be an issue since its not a real root cmakelists |
| 20:07.01 | Adys | kwin itself was a submodule of kde-workspace |
| 20:07.05 | Adys | im forking it as a root |
| 20:07.21 | Adys | mitchnull: https://github.com/Mezomish/juffed/issues?sort=created&direction=desc&state=open&page=1 |
| 20:07.29 | Adys | I hate caring about software |
| 20:07.49 | Cide | that's your issue |
| 20:07.52 | Cide | you are too caring |
| 20:08.04 | Adys | hey Cide |
| 20:08.13 | Adys | what are you running as OS on your desire? |
| 20:08.17 | Adys | android 2.4? |
| 20:08.24 | Cide | don't recall |
| 20:08.32 | Adys | I want to update it to ICS |
| 20:08.35 | Adys | but ive no idea how thats gonna go |
| 20:08.47 | Cide | I'm running cyanogenmod 7 |
| 20:08.51 | Adys | same |
| 20:08.52 | Cide | whichever version that is |
| 20:08.57 | Adys | 2.4 |
| 20:09.22 | Adys | theres an ICS rom in rom manager |
| 20:09.25 | mitchnull | adys: lol |
| 20:09.31 | mitchnull | (about your link) |
| 20:09.40 | mitchnull | adys: also, learn vim. be happy. |
| 20:10.02 | Adys | k ill just tell the razor guys to ship vim and not care about gui users :P |
| 20:10.13 | mitchnull | there's gvim ;) |
| 20:10.25 | Adys | yeah thats gonna go well with a qt-only de |
| 20:10.35 | mitchnull | (I wouldn't really recommend that though, it somehow "kills" the vim feeling) |
| 20:11.02 | Adys | you mean the nerdboner people get when they're on a terminal |
| 20:11.04 | Adys | gvim is fun |
| 20:11.24 | mitchnull | no, I really don't like gvim. it feels tainted |
| 20:11.38 | Adys | kate has vim support too, thats kind of fun |
| 20:11.48 | mitchnull | although it was a while back when I last tried it, and that on windows to boot, so things might be okayish now with it |
| 20:12.02 | mitchnull | adys: yeah. I use kate that way, too |
| 20:12.08 | mitchnull | and eclipse (with vrapper plugin) |
| 20:12.32 | mitchnull | any editor that doesn't do vi bindings is unusable by definition :) |
| 20:13.18 | TC-Work | ~wiki AGPL |
| 20:13.54 | Adys | mitchnull: https://github.com/Mezomish/juffed/issues/20 there, happy? |
| 20:14.43 | mitchnull | adys: good luck with that ;) |
| 20:14.50 | Adys | yeah thats gonna stay open a while. |
| 20:15.00 | Adys | either that or its gonna be closed real soon |
| 20:15.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Xyphoid (~xyph@unaffiliated/xyphoid) |
| 20:15.36 | TC-Work | Shirik: why does AGPL not route to the Agpl disambiguation page? |
| 20:18.43 | mitchnull | adys: I'll check out this juffed. I did vi-bindings for a terminal emulator (getline style) once, couldn't be that hard ;) |
| 20:19.25 | Adys | mitchnull: its a fun editor but it lacks some stuff compared to kate |
| 20:19.37 | Adys | other than that they're practically identical |
| 20:19.37 | mitchnull | yeah, like vi bindings ;) |
| 20:19.47 | Adys | ya |
| 20:19.53 | mitchnull | I don't much care for folding, for example |
| 20:19.55 | Adys | do jump on that feature, i doubt the author will |
| 20:20.00 | Adys | folding? |
| 20:20.04 | mitchnull | code folding |
| 20:20.25 | mitchnull | you know, fold a function, etc |
| 20:20.50 | mitchnull | (so only the function name shows wiht ... which you can expand) |
| 20:20.51 | foxlit | code folding, n: you know, code folding! |
| 20:20.55 | Adys | ah that |
| 20:21.07 | Adys | it has that |
| 20:21.11 | Adys | its more basic than kate'as |
| 20:21.22 | mitchnull | does it have syntax highlight? |
| 20:21.36 | Adys | what do you think. |
| 20:21.39 | mitchnull | meh, nevermind. will check tomorrow @work |
| 20:21.44 | Ackis | if this was true I'd be amused |
| 20:21.45 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/funny-facebook-fails-scarred-for-life.jpg |
| 20:21.59 | Adys | you think it would have code folding and xml formatting but no syntax highlight? :P |
| 20:22.25 | Adys | as for folding, i use it quite rarely on proper code; when i do its because im working on some insane retardedly long function or something |
| 20:22.33 | Adys | but i use it a lot in xml, json |
| 20:23.17 | zenzelezz | same |
| 20:28.23 | Adys | Ackis: god. |
| 20:32.41 | zenzelezz | so, I'm trying to run WoW's launcher on a linux computer from a Windows computer. The samba share has write permission, the folder's user and group have write permission. Running the launcher on the Windows computer gives an "zomg need write access" error, and all of a sudden the root WoW directory (on the share) is back to 700. Any idea why this would be happening? |
| 20:32.58 | zenzelezz | optionally, how to make my Wine not crash on patching |
| 20:34.48 | Lunessa | Did the launcher patch? |
| 20:35.14 | Lunessa | As in, did you get a download? |
| 20:37.20 | zenzelezz | from the Windows computer, or when trying to Wine the launcher directly on the linux box? |
| 20:37.34 | Lunessa | I've noticed I often have issues with file permissions changing on a network share when a file chages in some way. |
| 20:38.32 | zenzelezz | from the Windows computer it just stops with that error before doing anything; from the linux computer it'll run fine for a while, then crash with an access violation |
| 20:38.53 | Lunessa | Which version of Windows? |
| 20:39.13 | zenzelezz | XP :-/ |
| 20:39.50 | Lunessa | Hrm… Make sure your user account has full control of the WoW folder and all sub folders/files? |
| 20:39.53 | zenzelezz | I should just run MD5 on the whole folder tree and copy whatever's changed from a Windows install |
| 20:39.58 | Lunessa | On the Windows XP box. |
| 20:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | You should... um... play WoW in an internet cafe! |
| 20:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 20:42.51 | TC-Work | getting bugzilla, mysql, and apache to work together is something of an anoyance. |
| 20:43.04 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: hm, that got me a step closer... Windows apparently didn't care to listen to the linux permissions (which I assumed samba passed on). Now the launcher's running, but with god-awful download speeds (~50-200 KB, as opposed to 1-2 MB on the linux box) |
| 20:43.47 | zenzelezz | can't find a reason to blame linux for the speed, that'll have to be something about Windows, or even the download server/peers deciding to crap out on me |
| 20:44.00 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: samba on XP is … not great. Windows Vista and 7 do a much better job. |
| 20:44.52 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: wish I had another 7 license, but now you mention it the laptop did come with Vista... wonder if I have those discs somewhere |
| 20:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | I need to get the nerve and the time to upgrade my laptop to 7. |
| 20:45.26 | Lunessa | Be advised that file operations (copies, etc.) are awful on Vista. |
| 20:46.17 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: this laptop is only a fallback computer for Windowsy tasks while my main computer is in another town |
| 20:46.33 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 20:47.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@ppp121-44-233-35.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) |
| 20:47.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@unaffiliated/aurorus) |
| 20:53.51 | Adys | ah, the internet |
| 20:54.12 | Adys | the one place where you can find the most fucked up, NSFL shit ever |
| 20:54.14 | Adys | like this: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095 |
| 20:55.24 | Arrowmaster | the fuck |
| 20:55.30 | Arrowmaster | this is why NOBODY TRUSTS PHP |
| 20:55.44 | Xyphoid | enh |
| 20:55.47 | Xyphoid | 5.3.9 was worse |
| 20:56.07 | Xyphoid | a remote DOS condition? let's just hack in a length limit on input! |
| 20:56.16 | Xyphoid | (also let's add a remote code execution vuln too) |
| 20:56.34 | Arrowmaster | somebody says they reproduced that on 5.3.8 |
| 20:56.40 | Arrowmaster | so its been in 3 versions at least |
| 20:57.20 | zenzelezz | Adys: O_o |
| 20:57.34 | Xyphoid | oh the hex thing's probably been in since php3 but nobody's ever added hex numbers in php before |
| 20:57.46 | ajmitch | Adys: I'm sure there were tests for that, right? |
| 20:58.16 | Mikk | THE WORLD NEEDS MORE LUA WEBPAGES |
| 20:58.20 | Mikk | which would result in more lua libs |
| 20:58.22 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 20:58.29 | Adys | https://github.com/Razor-qt/razor-qt/issues/218#issuecomment-4145061 |
| 20:58.36 | Adys | still in the WTF category |
| 20:58.39 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421208_10151317338540571_282681245570_23054016_543314425_n.jpg |
| 20:58.47 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, this is my job! http://i.qkme.me/368uk1.jpg |
| 20:59.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 21:00.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:00.40 | Arrowmaster | he will be on top gear this weekend |
| 21:01.55 | zenzelezz | launcher on Windows claims I'm behind a firewall... even with all relevant ports opened, or even with the firewall entirely disabled. Thank you, XP |
| 21:02.28 | Mikk | zenzelezz: sitting behind a NAT? |
| 21:02.36 | Mikk | i.e. your IP address is 192.168.x.x |
| 21:02.58 | zenzelezz | yes, but everything's configured in a manner that should work fine |
| 21:03.23 | Mikk | well if the firewall is disabled |
| 21:03.28 | Mikk | i can promise you it's not XP that's to blame |
| 21:04.05 | zenzelezz | then I'll have to blame the launcher; my linux box hasn't seen any issues with anything |
| 21:06.13 | zenzelezz | meh, I'll go with md5summing and copying anything that's changed on a Windows install |
| 21:15.16 | Mikk | all i can suggest is |
| 21:15.21 | Mikk | triple check port number on your router |
| 21:17.25 | Mikk | because i run xp with port forward from my nat box and it works |
| 21:17.55 | Mikk | and said nat box doesnt do any plug-n-play magic or anything |
| 21:18.27 | Adys | k fuck kwin |
| 21:18.38 | Adys | i was good to go giving it a second chance but fuck it |
| 21:21.11 | *** join/#wowuidev NickG365 (~NickG365@cpe-65-189-204-138.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 21:36.09 | Zasurus | Do animation's run when a frame is hidden? As in do I have to manually stop them before hiding a frame or like the OnUpdate script does it automatically get stopped? |
| 21:38.57 | Adys | Zasurus: they keep running afaik |
| 21:44.50 | Zasurus | Seems a bit of a waste of CPU cycles... :( |
| 21:45.18 | alestane | A little, but those cycles are being run mostly in C. |
| 21:45.44 | alestane | And the vertex manipulation is being done, but it isn't being drawn, so the waste is minimal. |
| 21:46.22 | Zasurus | OK that's fine. Thanks |
| 21:46.32 | alestane | This also makes sure that if you show a frame that's animating, it appears at the current stage of its animation. |
| 21:46.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 21:47.16 | Zasurus | Yer that makes sense. Although I happen to be resetting it before showing it anyway for this current situation |
| 21:53.13 | Adys | alestane: you really need to stop linking clientsfromhell when im around |
| 21:53.33 | alestane | Wasn't that hours ago? |
| 21:53.39 | Stanzilla | wtb cs:go beta key :( |
| 21:53.39 | Adys | yeah but i have a lot of tabs open. |
| 21:53.46 | Adys | its really just 95% annoying crap |
| 21:53.58 | Adys | "haha look the client doesnt know what a browser is" |
| 21:55.04 | Dagmar | whywasIbanned.com is much more fun, IMHO |
| 21:56.01 | Adys | Dagmar: yes, its fun as soon as i open it |
| 21:56.16 | Adys | aka "look who's storing dates as strings" |
| 21:57.20 | Dagmar | adys: Dude I don't even find that funny. I'm sitting here right now trying to figure out what the fuck these jokers at British Telecom were doing storing IP addresses in VARCHAR2(512) |
| 21:57.32 | Dagmar | It makes me want to kill. |
| 21:57.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Liath (~Liath@fctnnbsc30w-142166231094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net) |
| 21:57.48 | Adys | Dagmar: i could see that |
| 21:57.55 | Dagmar | Reason #1 to store dates as strings: Oracle is shit |
| 21:57.56 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: there were clearing thinking forward so they can support IPv64 |
| 21:58.06 | zenzelezz | *they |
| 21:58.19 | Adys | Dagmar: being the shitty developer's advocate here, but |
| 21:58.31 | Dagmar | No seriously. |
| 21:58.33 | Adys | if they have an abstract host field used for ip addresses |
| 21:58.46 | Adys | that would *technically* support full urls |
| 21:59.00 | Dagmar | I found out the hard way yesterday that under Oracle, DATE really means DATETIME but only if you run it through to_char format string |
| 21:59.15 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:59.40 | Adys | Here is what you all need to do |
| 21:59.48 | Dagmar | If you dare attempt anything involving the magical hidden TIME part of that not-exactly-DATETIME field they use, THEN it decides to be a retarded pedantic piece of crap and suddenly can't evaluate the TIME part |
| 21:59.55 | Fisker | just writing penis here |
| 22:00.02 | Adys | when you're asked to work on a retarded setup/software (read: oracle, apache, flash, ...) |
| 22:00.11 | Adys | either tell the client to change |
| 22:00.14 | Adys | or PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE |
| 22:00.19 | Dagmar | Adys: Dump the piece of crap, install MySQL, load up three guns, and head towards the developer offices for DiamondIP. |
| 22:00.36 | Dagmar | There are no "clean hands" involved in this. |
| 22:00.45 | Adys | I like your style |
| 22:00.50 | Adys | we can be friends again |
| 22:01.13 | Dagmar | The script I am fixing even involved this... where to_char(eventtime, 'DD/MM/YY HH24') > blah |
| 22:01.46 | Dagmar | Frankly I suspect they really worked at making this code break on every possible edge case they could think of. |
| 22:02.08 | Dagmar | It even uses systime+5/24 for the time value. |
| 22:02.10 | Xyphoid | it was pretty shocking going from mysql to oracle. i always assumed that mysql was just crap and that oracle, being large and expensive, would be better in every way |
| 22:02.59 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm starting to see that most commercial software is actually the stinking amateurish pile the 'professional' people claim the open-source software is |
| 22:03.17 | Xyphoid | yeah, it's just better-hidden |
| 22:03.35 | Dagmar | They even use both <= and >= on the matches, guaranteeing that there will be values that can be missed since this is run once an hour. |
| 22:04.07 | Dagmar | Pardon me, not missed, double-counted. |
| 22:04.21 | Adys | Xyphoid: both mysql and oracle are a pile of stinking shit |
| 22:04.23 | Dagmar | There's no telling how many times a particular alarm has gone off in the middle of the night because of that |
| 22:04.34 | Dagmar | Adys: No, MySQL actually does what it says |
| 22:04.34 | Adys | Xyphoid: SQL by itself is bad. |
| 22:04.59 | Adys | Dagmar: mysql is not as bad as oracle but its still pretty bad compared to postgres |
| 22:05.28 | Adys | that aside sql needs to die |
| 22:05.34 | Dagmar | I was _really_ unamused that they actually fake the DATETIME thing, but then when it comes to _relational_ comparisons, which are the reason we're using a _relational DB_ in the first place, it decides to get all pedantic about it |
| 22:06.09 | Dagmar | Adys: I'll settle for just killing the people who use relational databases instead of a goddamn spreadsheet. |
| 22:06.21 | Adys | theres that too |
| 22:06.36 | Adys | Dagmar: #2 offense: sqlite to store application settings |
| 22:06.37 | Adys | UGH |
| 22:06.40 | Dagmar | The number of times I've caught people using SQL to simply do array lookups. Sheesh |
| 22:06.44 | Adys | or any kind of binary format for that matter |
| 22:08.19 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 22:08.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 22:08.58 | Adys | alestane: ugh |
| 22:09.02 | Adys | i need to close this tab |
| 22:09.18 | Adys | "haha client doesnt know how to generate a clean pdf" |
| 22:09.25 | Adys | "haha client doesn't know how to use photoshop" |
| 22:09.29 | Adys | god |
| 22:09.54 | Adys | do these people actually work for free to complain like this? |
| 22:09.56 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 22:09.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.quiterly.com/2812/dont-drink-and-drive?ref=nf |
| 22:15.49 | Dagmar | Sounds like a good way for a cop to find a loaded gun in your car |
| 22:18.47 | Adys | alestane: you know, this would not annoy me nearly as much if they didn't pretend that they're clients impossible to work with, real horror stories, blah blah blah |
| 22:18.58 | alestane | So stop? |
| 22:19.08 | Adys | cant, some of them are funny. |
| 22:19.27 | Dagmar | "Do you know anything about protecting websites from viruses and sperm?" |
| 22:19.31 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 22:19.32 | Adys | i loved that |
| 22:19.34 | Dagmar | I don't even want to know |
| 22:19.44 | Adys | i think he meant spam :P |
| 22:19.59 | Adys | though they tend to be one and the same in my mailbox |
| 22:20.20 | alestane | I think the one I liked recently was the woman who wanted someone to fax her confidential documents without taking them out of the envelope. |
| 22:20.42 | Adys | I stopped reading that one at "fax" |
| 22:20.45 | Adys | i mean what the fuck. |
| 22:21.08 | Dagmar | Its a magic paper teleporter |
| 22:22.15 | Adys | CLIENT: Ok, but can you make it blacker than that black? |
| 22:22.21 | Adys | color: washingtonblack; |
| 22:22.33 | Adys | god i hope someone gets that |
| 22:22.36 | Adys | amro: get back here |
| 22:22.51 | TC-Work | ~lart Adys |
| 22:22.51 | purl | offers Adys some herring |
| 22:33.34 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/io1mj |
| 22:33.54 | Arrowmaster | Adys: theyre talking about a docter who/lost crossover on reddit |
| 22:34.22 | Arrowmaster | 'I would love to see this. I can just hear the Doctor tell the survivors: "Creepy visions? Mysterious hatches? A smoke monster? And you want to leave?!"' |
| 22:37.54 | Adys | i never watched lost |
| 22:38.03 | Arrowmaster | neither did i, and i never will |
| 22:38.32 | Arrowmaster | but thats the exact reaction the doctor would have |
| 22:38.38 | Ackis | http://i.qkme.me/36a66c.jpg |
| 22:40.01 | Torhal|work | Never will? |
| 22:40.03 | Torhal|work | Wow. |
| 22:40.10 | Torhal|work | It was a pretty good show. |
| 22:40.21 | Ackis | you have poor taste Torhal|work |
| 22:40.24 | Ackis | after all, you like me |
| 22:40.39 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: LOL good point |
| 22:40.42 | Torhal|work | :P |
| 22:42.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-98-66-2-182.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:42.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 23:03.07 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKL2cnVQpoI |
| 23:03.23 | Ackis | (shows a bird getting killed by a lion, no gore or anything just very interesting) |
| 23:04.23 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (~durcyn@WoWUIDev/Durcyn) |
| 23:08.33 | TC-Work | you have a weird idea of 'interesting' |
| 23:09.09 | nicoli_s | i liked lost |
| 23:14.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 23:18.38 | amro | Adys: lou diamond phillips in psy vs psy |
| 23:18.52 | Adys | yes thanks. |
| 23:21.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (~Mikk@78-73-98-127-no162.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:21.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (~Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 23:21.52 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 23:24.26 | *** join/#wowuidev luigithekid (~chatzilla@186.91.192.148) |
| 23:33.24 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 23:33.50 | bluspacecow | mate of mine has 2 daughters. gonna name them morph0 and morph1 :P |
| 23:33.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Sliker (~ponies@29.92.112.87.dyn.plus.net) |
| 23:37.28 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@user-1121d39.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 23:37.38 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
