| 00:03.16 | Arrowmaster | when in the d3 beta do you get the ability to teleport back to town? |
| 00:03.45 | Kaylin | idk |
| 00:04.05 | Kaylin | I should login and try it, how important is this answer, I'd need to install |
| 00:04.31 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: You used to get the stone somewhere around level 5-6. |
| 00:05.32 | Arrowmaster | ok im level 6 on my way to the cemetery for the crown |
| 00:06.44 | Lunessa | You probably get it somewhere around that quest. It got changed in the last build and may not be ready. Check to see if your Town Portal button is working. |
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| 00:10.28 | Arrowmaster | ok i dont know where the town portal button is |
| 00:10.32 | Arrowmaster | but i dont see it |
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| 00:17.23 | Sintacks | so, the other graphics card (the second 5770 i have thst was in my "brother's computer" is noe in mine ... has been running 100% usage all night and is 12°c cooler than the other one at 70% usage |
| 00:18.01 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: it used to be on your char page |
| 00:18.01 | Sintacks | same mel cards same pci e slot |
| 00:18.58 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: what char page? |
| 00:19.37 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: where you can equip |
| 00:19.39 | TC-Work | items |
| 00:20.07 | Arrowmaster | inventory, dont see it there |
| 00:20.29 | TC-Work | i havent played since they changed it from the stone of recall to town portal |
| 00:21.48 | Lunessa | It's a button on the bar now, but it may not work yet. The stone is gone. |
| 00:24.27 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: you get it after the crown quest |
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| 00:24.50 | Gnarfoz | and the button is to the left of the minibuttons (menu, inventory, etc) |
| 00:25.00 | Gnarfoz | is=will be, it's spared out already |
| 00:25.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah im just roaming the big area between the town and the crown quest killing shit |
| 00:25.05 | Arrowmaster | upto level 7 now |
| 00:25.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:57.27 | mikma | First official 007: Skyfall picture! http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/02/01/skyfall-james-bond-daniel-craig.jpg |
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| 01:01.26 | TC-Work | almost looks like a CGI face |
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| 01:05.26 | Arrowmaster | ok yes looting the crown gives you the town portal ability |
| 01:10.21 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2012/01/im-a-turtle-pocket-sized-portable-house.php |
| 01:10.31 | mikma | welcome to hobotown, population: 1 |
| 01:11.31 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/oty07/so_my_girlfriend_is_pretty_awesome_at_this_latte/ |
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| 01:15.30 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: more to the point: doesn't look like Daniel Craig oO |
| 01:16.14 | Kraps | sure it does |
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| 01:24.41 | TC-Work | http://www.geekologie.com/2012/01/31/venom-catepillar.jpg creepy |
| 01:39.31 | TC-Work | i have 3Dsmax and maya installed but no Photoshop.....feels silly |
| 01:39.53 | sintAcks | i eish i could remember an 8 digit code |
| 01:39.54 | durcyn | bluspacecow: mandatory euthenasia for pasting a reddit link, nice knowing you |
| 01:40.22 | sintAcks | wish* |
| 01:40.38 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 01:41.36 | sintAcks | or if i couod just copy it to clip board and then paste on computer over teamviewer .... |
| 01:42.50 | sintAcks | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout | 3,874 tributes to Monty Python |
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| 02:02.39 | sintAcks | woo |
| 02:02.45 | sintAcks | now i'm at the point where i will not be sat. ever. |
| 02:05.10 | karl_w_w | http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/introduce-elephants-to-the-aussie-bush-says-scientist-australia.htm |
| 02:05.14 | karl_w_w | there's a winning idea |
| 02:06.23 | TC-Work | yes, like you need more random species introduced into your biosphere |
| 02:06.37 | bluspacecow | for the lolz! |
| 02:08.46 | TMc51 | more food for the snakes and spiders. |
| 02:11.08 | karl_w_w | TC-Work: funny thing is very few things have really been introduced relatively |
| 02:11.22 | karl_w_w | and pretty much everything that has has brought rampant destruction |
| 02:11.29 | karl_w_w | so let's try a bigger one? |
| 02:17.12 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: after this it's a genetically mondified blue whale to swim underground. |
| 02:17.23 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 02:28.09 | Arrowmaster | yay ive completed the d3 beta |
| 02:28.19 | Arrowmaster | how to figure out how to identify items |
| 02:30.08 | Jamash | leoric drops an identify scroll |
| 02:30.14 | Jamash | no wait they removed those |
| 02:30.18 | Jamash | right-click on the item? |
| 02:30.39 | alestane | I think someone will do it for you? |
| 02:30.48 | Jamash | nah you're so smart you can do it yourself |
| 02:30.54 | Arrowmaster | i tried talking to cain and he didnt |
| 02:31.03 | Jamash | right-click on the iteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem |
| 02:31.14 | Arrowmaster | i just did! |
| 02:32.50 | Arrowmaster | is the kill 20 mobs in one hit achievement supposed to be easy or am i just that lucky? |
| 02:33.05 | Jamash | depends, what class |
| 02:33.20 | Arrowmaster | demon hunter |
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| 02:33.32 | Jamash | 'cause there's a video of a wizard killing 200 skellies or so with one disintigrate |
| 02:34.00 | Jamash | disintegrate(sp?) |
| 02:34.01 | batbot | Jamash, disintegrate is correct. |
| 02:34.08 | Jamash | thx batbot |
| 02:35.07 | Jamash | anyway when I did not play the beta because I am not in it, it seemed like the number of mobs in one hit tracking was kinda iffy |
| 02:35.31 | Jamash | there are spells that spread and I guess those count |
| 02:35.32 | Arrowmaster | i was fighting leoric and killing all the skellies he summons and it poped |
| 02:35.40 | Jamash | explosions? |
| 02:35.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was using the DH explosive bolo skill |
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| 02:36.20 | Cide | is that skill any good now? |
| 02:36.29 | Jamash | I dunno, I'm not in the beta |
| 02:36.33 | Cide | I haven't played in a while but I found it very underwhelming before |
| 02:36.39 | Cide | bola shot that is |
| 02:37.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah it seemed good for large groups |
| 02:37.43 | Arrowmaster | i switched the the snare shot as my main attack though once i got it |
| 02:39.00 | Jamash | I want the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 02:39.43 | Arrowmaster | check your battle.net account for the beta |
| 02:41.20 | Jamash | nope |
| 02:41.25 | Jamash | but I did have to sign the new EULA |
| 02:42.09 | karl_w_w | second time I've DCed in the last half hour |
| 02:42.41 | karl_w_w | and it's an odd kind of DC, there's no 2 minute freeze while it times out or whatever, instantly get knocked back to login screen |
| 02:49.35 | Sintacks | anyone use mumble overlay and have it not work with x64 WoW client |
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| 02:56.14 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: did you fix the Identify thing? |
| 02:56.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah it is just right clicking |
| 02:56.46 | TC-Work | yea, you should read teh patch notes |
| 02:57.23 | Arrowmaster | you would think with all the other hints like the one that keeps poping up saying i have empty equipment slots they would have one that pops the first time you pickup an unidentified object |
| 02:57.44 | TC-Work | it's temperary i think |
| 02:58.04 | TC-Work | temporary* |
| 02:58.57 | TC-Work | there is no point in having unidentified items if you can just rclick to ID |
| 03:02.14 | Dark_Elf | awe but u can sell them on an auction |
| 03:02.24 | Dark_Elf | be like gambling |
| 03:02.40 | TC-Work | but you can do that with the old system as well |
| 03:03.41 | Dark_Elf | i sometimes wish all items were that way |
| 03:04.03 | TC-Work | what, you dont knwo what it is till you equip it? |
| 03:04.05 | TC-Work | know* |
| 03:05.03 | karl_w_w | hmm antec 300 cases $40 + $15 delivery today |
| 03:12.46 | pnorman | antec 300 II is out |
| 03:14.33 | karl_w_w | probably why they're on sale |
| 03:17.07 | alestane | Any guesses why the compiler tells me the line |
| 03:17.07 | alestane | while ( !( server.eof() || input.eof() ) ) { |
| 03:17.28 | alestane | should have an extra close-paren between before the open brace? |
| 03:18.33 | alestane | And I type one in, delete one, and it's happy. |
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| 03:27.21 | TC-Work | wtf, a 12mb PS file managed to fuck over my stsem |
| 03:27.24 | TC-Work | system* |
| 03:29.21 | Jamash | brewfest hops just killed my character |
| 03:30.00 | Jamash | land on roof -> flying mount turns to ground mount -> jump off roof -> die |
| 03:30.32 | TC-Work | thats what you get for not being a druid |
| 03:34.46 | Jamash | inorite |
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| 03:55.27 | amro | FREE Two-Day Shipping --get it Friday, February 3 | $3.99/item One-Day Shipping --get it Friday, February 3 |
| 03:59.15 | pompy | amro: yeah shows the same here |
| 04:00.48 | amro | I'm guessing it's too late for one day shipping today, but it shouldn't show the option imo |
| 04:02.00 | pompy | amro: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_primeland_overview_2day?nodeId=200444160#free_2day |
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| 04:09.30 | Sintacks | blah.. too many new vars to know if wow is better. |
| 04:09.46 | Sintacks | different graphics card and x64 client |
| 04:13.15 | TC-Work | http://www.egagroupusa.com/woot-specials/ Note: this stuff is refurbs i think |
| 04:17.21 | alestane | Okay. So, the professor demands that our work be submitted with a makefile so he can compile it from a command line. Okay, fine. |
| 04:18.03 | alestane | My makefile compiles the code okay, then explodes in the linker with a huge number of undefined references. What's the noob mistake? |
| 04:18.18 | TMc51 | bah, wish I didn't just buy a new game yesterday, or I'd pick up a set of those Z506s. :'( |
| 04:21.10 | TC-Work | alestane: not supressing the errors? XD |
| 04:21.28 | alestane | That won't cause my program to build, will it? |
| 04:22.15 | TC-Work | whats it trying to reference? |
| 04:22.55 | alestane | Well, it's built on STL C++, which is what it seems to be failing to find. |
| 04:23.11 | alestane | It also used the BSD socket library, but I think it's okay with those. |
| 04:23.27 | TC-Work | no idea then |
| 04:23.52 | alestane | Yeah, basically everything it's throwing up on is STL stuff. DO I need to include that explicitly in the link? |
| 04:27.25 | TC-Work | alestane: can you try it on a different system/vm and see if it works? |
| 04:27.37 | alestane | Worked fine in XCode. |
| 04:27.51 | alestane | Now I'm supposed to build it on the campus NIX machines. |
| 04:32.27 | alestane | Okay, so it doesn't work on my machine by using make, either. |
| 04:33.03 | alestane | Although it gives saner feedback. |
| 04:33.26 | alestane | Complains about symbol(s) not found for architecture i386 |
| 04:34.31 | Dagmar | You need to check your o files carefully and make sure you actually tell the linker about anything your library needs |
| 04:34.47 | Dagmar | It sounds like you left some libs out |
| 04:35.00 | Dagmar | Just google the bloody symbol names and it will usually come right up |
| 04:36.41 | alestane | There are something like 300 things it's missing. |
| 04:36.51 | Dagmar | Yeah but the first ones will likely be unique enough |
| 04:37.12 | Dagmar | At a guess I'm thinking your linking is leaving out libstdc++ or one of it's ilk |
| 04:37.38 | Dagmar | I have had to do this for broken stuff more times than I care to count |
| 04:37.59 | Dagmar | it was especially fun when a change was made to libpng/zlib with respect to libm |
| 04:38.56 | alestane | Well, that got it to build one of them... -lstdc++ |
| 04:38.58 | Dagmar | Half the things using it were kinda stale. |
| 04:39.22 | Dagmar | Yes this is actually just as important as remembering to include |
| 04:42.52 | alestane | See, I figured there was some absolutely neophyte issue that I was missing. |
| 04:43.08 | alestane | I have literally never had to assemble a makefile before. |
| 04:44.24 | alestane | But hey, look at that, they run. |
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| 04:56.07 | Jamash | public service announcement: ipod nano 1st gen recall https://supportform.apple.com/201110/ |
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| 05:16.16 | Cide | omg I have one of those |
| 05:16.19 | Cide | what do I get |
| 05:16.42 | kd3 | an earth-shattering kaboom? |
| 05:17.45 | NiLon | there's a bit chilly outside :/ |
| 05:24.02 | TC-Work | i want wireless surround sound speakers for a reasonable price |
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| 05:28.45 | Jamash | Cide: an ipod nano 6g if your ipod is in the defective manufacturing batch |
| 05:30.15 | Jamash | looks like my mom and I qualify for a replacement |
| 05:32.08 | Jamash | apple sent me a notice back in november but I didn't read it until today when Jeff on the bombcast mentioned the recall |
| 05:42.37 | TC-Work | see, that name right there would make me never want to listen to that cast |
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| 05:53.28 | TC-Work | why is PHP so damn hard to read. "Hi i have 5 lines of code on my page, but i do 500000000 things" |
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| 06:23.32 | Sintacks | LOL RET |
| 06:23.55 | Fisker | it's cold TC-Work |
| 06:24.04 | Fisker | that's old as dirt Jamash |
| 06:24.12 | Jamash | but it's new to me |
| 06:24.24 | Jamash | and also they're sending out g6 ipod nanos now |
| 06:24.46 | Fisker | obviously |
| 06:24.51 | Jamash | so getting in late is better |
| 06:24.53 | Fisker | they probably went out of stock 1g ones |
| 06:24.57 | Jamash | yep |
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| 06:26.58 | bluspacecow | whats a g6 ipod nano jamash ? |
| 06:27.02 | bluspacecow | the iRice Grain ? |
| 06:27.07 | Fisker | your mom bluspacecow |
| 06:27.23 | bluspacecow | lolololololol isker |
| 06:27.27 | Fisker | i'm gonna do something bluspacecow |
| 06:27.29 | bluspacecow | where the f go ? |
| 06:27.33 | Fisker | and you cannot stop me |
| 06:27.35 | Jamash | it's the wristwatch |
| 06:27.48 | Jamash | I'm going to put a pac-man skin on it and reference penny arcade |
| 06:27.50 | bluspacecow | oh ly ? |
| 06:27.54 | bluspacecow | liky pls |
| 06:28.03 | bluspacecow | linky i mean >_> |
| 06:28.37 | Jamash | http://goo.gl/Wxfgf |
| 06:30.43 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 06:30.45 | Fisker | umad? |
| 06:30.52 | bluspacecow | no |
| 06:30.54 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 06:30.59 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3988300444#9 |
| 06:31.18 | bluspacecow | course addons will use more memory in the 64 bit client lol |
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| 06:39.16 | Fisker | hax |
| 06:40.34 | Sintacks | i wish I had a pally |
| 06:40.40 | Fisker | How dare Google outcompete us? |
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| 06:45.36 | bluspacecow | will i be correct in saying that addons use more memory on the 64 bit client as the variables take up more space in memory ? |
| 06:45.56 | bluspacecow | that there isn't increased memory usage it's just they have bigger pants now ? |
| 06:47.15 | Iriel | Yes, I would expect that to be the case |
| 06:47.21 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 06:47.31 | Iriel | Pointers are longer |
| 06:48.16 | Sintacks | `1959743-1959809 |
| 06:56.54 | Fisker | like my penis Iriel :) |
| 06:59.35 | bluspacecow | where is it ? |
| 06:59.44 | Iriel | 64 bit pointers are longer than your penis, yes. |
| 07:01.31 | Fisker | naw man |
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| 07:05.57 | Galvin | Either my mod is bugged or EnableMouse() function is. Some how I can make a frame to take mouse input like OnMouseDown, etc without ever doing EnableMouse(true). anyone else find this to be bugged? |
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| 07:43.42 | Thunder_Child | TC-Work: chmod aliases |
| 07:50.10 | ccox | lol-ing at "make sure you have the 64 bit kernel on your mac" |
| 07:50.20 | ccox | these jokers have no idea of the difference in the kernels |
| 07:50.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/08/the-programmers-bill-of-rights.html |
| 07:51.06 | bluspacecow | trolololol |
| 07:51.34 | bluspacecow | where's that posted ccox ? |
| 07:51.55 | ccox | in user advice on the wow forum post you linked |
| 07:52.06 | ccox | not blizz advice - they should know better |
| 07:53.45 | Elkano | hmpf... none of the framexml pages seem to have updated to 4.3.2, yet :( |
| 07:54.11 | haste | kd3 has sent out a diff if you want it |
| 07:54.30 | bluspacecow | or |
| 07:54.32 | bluspacecow | ~framexml |
| 07:54.33 | purl | i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 07:55.03 | kd3 | if you want on the list, /msg me an address and I'll start sending you the diffs too |
| 07:57.24 | AcidWeb | kd3: You can also put me on that list? |
| 07:57.36 | kd3 | sure, /msg me an address |
| 07:58.31 | bluspacecow | oh hai kd3 |
| 07:58.42 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 07:59.23 | AcidWeb | Thank you kd3 |
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| 08:01.44 | kd3 | yw |
| 08:04.06 | Elkano | I should poke clad, foxlit or tekkub to update their stuff ;) |
| 08:11.13 | pompy | Elkano: well clad is eu, so he jus got 4.3.2 today afaik ;) |
| 08:11.27 | pompy | and so are u right? |
| 08:11.29 | Elkano | yesterday |
| 08:11.34 | pompy | ahh |
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| 09:00.50 | Resist10k | hey anybody up that can help me with an api question? |
| 09:01.15 | Jamash | depends on the question |
| 09:01.49 | bluspacecow | no actions in combat and no an addon will not make you sexier then fisker |
| 09:02.06 | Jamash | my addon will, however, make fisker less sexy than you |
| 09:02.25 | Resist10k | is ther a way to see if a guardian/pet exists? |
| 09:02.42 | Resist10k | like a fire lemental? |
| 09:02.49 | Resist10k | elemental* |
| 09:03.19 | Fisker | damn |
| 09:03.23 | Fisker | paladins are bugged up the wazoo |
| 09:03.29 | Fisker | and i don't get to raid until tomorrow :( |
| 09:03.32 | Jamash | you can query the "pet" unit id for various statuses, but guardians in general, as far as I know, are not directly trackable |
| 09:04.21 | Resist10k | so basically no way with the fire elemental directly? |
| 09:06.23 | Jamash | I don't think so but I'm not an expert on unit status |
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| 09:07.42 | Resist10k | aww well thx ive been trying to get this to work since this afternoon and not making any progress :( |
| 09:11.59 | haste | Resist10k: does the fire elemental show up as a pet? |
| 09:12.45 | Resist10k | shows up as a guardian so im not really sure |
| 09:13.31 | haste | does that mean it has a pet frame or are you refering to the title it has? |
| 09:13.44 | Sintacks | Fisker, welcome to 4 hours ago (re: pallys) |
| 09:14.56 | Jamash | when have paladins not been broken |
| 09:14.57 | Resist10k | the title it has no pet frame though |
| 09:18.57 | haste | then you can't really track it |
| 09:19.04 | haste | you could do some through the combat log |
| 09:19.12 | haste | but that's really it (unless you focus it) |
| 09:19.55 | Resist10k | how could i through combat log? |
| 09:20.57 | Sintacks | Jamash, since midnight EST |
| 09:21.12 | Sintacks | They aren't broken. |
| 09:21.19 | Sintacks | 700k dps is "working as indended" |
| 09:23.52 | Jamash | kingdoms of amalur: reckoning bomb |
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| 09:46.47 | bleeter | HAH http://http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Feb/8 |
| 09:46.49 | bleeter | gah |
| 09:46.57 | bleeter | HAH http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Feb/8 |
| 09:48.55 | Arrowmaster | empty message or am i missing something? |
| 09:54.06 | Humbedooh | I dunno :\ |
| 09:55.16 | bleeter | sometimes, Subject: is all one needs to say... |
| 09:55.54 | Humbedooh | so, how evil are they then? |
| 09:57.38 | bluspacecow | kill babys evil ? |
| 09:57.52 | bleeter | KILL ALL THE BABIES |
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| 10:01.18 | zenzio | http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424139_2527316387573_1393337415_32057169_87482710_n.jpg |
| 10:02.32 | bluspacecow | thats actually true of me. |
| 10:03.30 | bluspacecow | kk work tiems |
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| 10:54.27 | airtonix | I LOL'D |
| 10:56.19 | airtonix | btw zenzio |
| 10:57.41 | Sintacks | http://i44.tinypic.com/2n2i6e.png |
| 10:57.42 | Sintacks | bahahaha |
| 10:58.31 | airtonix | our <quote> Graphic De-sign-er</endcondescendingquote> left because he couldn't deal with the withdrawl symptoms of not having apple products to create simple web graphics |
| 10:59.14 | airtonix | i mean calling him a graphic designer is overly generous, because his hand eye co-ordination was shite |
| 10:59.24 | airtonix | even when using macosx |
| 11:00.35 | airtonix | maybe it was because of the shit ergonomics of the magic mouse |
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| 11:14.43 | mikma | stanzilla: thanks |
| 11:18.13 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 11:18.19 | Sintacks | o.o |
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| 11:45.12 | airtonix | >: |
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| 13:00.05 | Computerpunk | ~framexml |
| 13:00.06 | purl | i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 13:00.19 | Computerpunk | nothing changed for ui in 4.3.2? |
| 13:17.42 | airtonix | no. your face is still the same |
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| 13:19.01 | zenzio | heya peppy |
| 13:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
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| 13:25.06 | airtonix | is it? |
| 13:25.19 | Jamash | it's always morning somewhere |
| 13:25.30 | Jamash | also |
| 13:25.31 | Jamash | ~ugt |
| 13:25.31 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:25.42 | airtonix | Jamash: pluto? |
| 13:25.54 | Jamash | how could you have breakfast on pluto if it wasn't morning? |
| 13:25.59 | Jamash | QED |
| 13:26.05 | airtonix | oh |
| 13:26.13 | airtonix | the sun? |
| 13:26.25 | airtonix | explain? |
| 13:27.03 | Jamash | it's always morning on the sun |
| 13:27.15 | airtonix | is it? |
| 13:27.19 | Jamash | isn't it? |
| 13:27.46 | airtonix | i thought it'd be a paradox |
| 13:27.54 | Jamash | a pair of ducks? |
| 13:28.21 | airtonix | well no we proved that by drowning her |
| 13:30.14 | Lopeppeppy | no murder before breakfast, on whatever planet you think you're on. |
| 13:30.42 | airtonix | good night peoples, may your lovers have teeth in all the right places. |
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| 13:53.43 | Jamash | that was creepy |
| 13:54.05 | Maldivia | curses at jnwhiteh |
| 13:54.05 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 13:54.08 | Fisker | hey Maldivia |
| 13:54.15 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:54.23 | Maldivia | howdy Fisker |
| 13:54.24 | Jamash | how many fisker does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 13:54.32 | Fisker | NaN |
| 13:54.32 | alestane | A little early for lunch, isn't it? |
| 13:54.49 | Fisker | little late for lunch here |
| 13:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | I have a fridge, I can put it aside for later, alestane. |
| 13:55.06 | Fisker | you sure do have a fridge |
| 13:57.16 | mckenziemc | let's store Fisker in there |
| 13:58.26 | Stanzilla | Fisker: did they really half the space of the account wide storage in d3 because "the db can't handle so much"? |
| 13:58.34 | Fisker | no Stanzilla |
| 13:58.39 | Fisker | but bashiok sure was full of shit |
| 13:58.48 | Stanzilla | what did he say |
| 13:58.58 | Fisker | that wow can just store the "item id" |
| 13:58.59 | Fisker | no |
| 13:59.02 | Fisker | that's void storage |
| 13:59.19 | mckenziemc | what |
| 13:59.27 | Fisker | though even without void storage Diablo's item structure is of course more complex |
| 13:59.30 | Fisker | but wow's is not that simple |
| 13:59.57 | Jamash | their whole poormouthing over storage is nonsense |
| 14:00.07 | Jamash | unless their db administrators are incompetent |
| 14:00.37 | Fisker | is a pretty big gaem |
| 14:00.41 | Fisker | so idk |
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| 14:01.20 | Jamash | I could store 1000 wow item strings for 12 million customers, 50 characters each on 38TB of storage |
| 14:01.29 | Jamash | which is how much money blizzard makes in ten minutes |
| 14:02.06 | mckenziemc | they make 38TB of money in ten minutes? |
| 14:02.14 | mckenziemc | that's quite a feat |
| 14:02.21 | Stanzilla | Fisker: bit.ly/zLQbtM |
| 14:02.22 | Jamash | which would cost as much money etc |
| 14:02.35 | Stanzilla | or better http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/3967947405#5 |
| 14:02.47 | Jamash | now obviously they use a lot of redundancy, transactional DB, etc which adds overhead |
| 14:02.54 | Adys | anyone around with firefox <= 4.x ? |
| 14:03.22 | Jamash | but when google offers every customer 7GB of email for free, something is rotten in the state of blizzard |
| 14:03.22 | Sintacks | HOW 'BOUT DEM RETS |
| 14:03.40 | Sintacks | My brother got a D3 beta invite... |
| 14:03.40 | Sintacks | i didn't |
| 14:03.42 | Sintacks | i'm sad |
| 14:04.16 | karl_w_w | so uTorrent and the client called Bittorrent are exactly identical as far as I can tell |
| 14:04.37 | Jamash | however 810 slots per account seems perfectly adequate for DIII imo |
| 14:04.41 | Adys | Fisker: wow doesnt have to store much more than the item id |
| 14:04.58 | Jamash | item, enchant, sockets, transmog |
| 14:05.05 | Sintacks | 810 slots for what? |
| 14:05.07 | Sintacks | i do'nt wanna read buffer |
| 14:05.13 | Jamash | Diablo III shared stash |
| 14:05.16 | Adys | Jamash: yes, but that's "part of the item id" |
| 14:05.22 | Sintacks | like a bank? |
| 14:05.27 | Jamash | yar |
| 14:05.32 | Fisker | so is it for the diablo item id i suspect |
| 14:05.33 | Jamash | uh, not really? |
| 14:05.35 | Sintacks | i want an 810 slot bank in WoW... |
| 14:05.47 | Jamash | Sintacks: that's for all 10 characters on your account |
| 14:05.53 | Jamash | so really 81 slots per character |
| 14:05.57 | Sintacks | oh |
| 14:06.08 | Adys | Jamash: if i were their db designer, I'd store items in an id->idstring table |
| 14:06.23 | Adys | eg 12345 -> <wow idstring> |
| 14:06.32 | Jamash | Adys: item id refers to the base id without enchants and whatnot |
| 14:06.37 | Sintacks | well. we can have what... 26*7+28 per toon on WoW |
| 14:06.46 | Adys | Jamash: i know what item id refers to |
| 14:06.51 | Sintacks | 210 |
| 14:06.53 | Jamash | I know you know |
| 14:06.57 | Sintacks | and that's with the biggest bag... |
| 14:06.58 | Jamash | so why are you being silly |
| 14:07.04 | Kalrth | I don't know that you know that he knows |
| 14:07.14 | Kalrth | yeah sillies |
| 14:07.17 | Kalrth | ur all silly |
| 14:07.27 | Sintacks | The only thing I know about D3 that I'm glad they did so far, is the inventory isn't the bullshit that was Diablo before |
| 14:07.33 | Jamash | bearing in mind that I can't remember which one is adys and which one is ackis there's a 50% chance that he programs database access for mmochamp |
| 14:07.42 | Adys | Jamash: all im saying is, if they're aiming for storage space, storing an id string is easier than storing all the transmogs/enchants and so on |
| 14:07.44 | Sintacks | trying to fit fucking 2x8s with 2x2s and 2x6s |
| 14:07.52 | Adys | Jamash: and that wouldve been me |
| 14:07.53 | Kalrth | wow, you mix those two up? poor ackis |
| 14:08.17 | Jamash | Adys: I don't really understand what you mean by an id string that isn't a string with the base id, transmog, enchant and sockets |
| 14:08.31 | Adys | thats what i mean with idstring |
| 14:08.35 | Adys | the same as wow's |
| 14:08.44 | Jamash | are we talking about DIII or wow |
| 14:08.47 | Adys | wow |
| 14:08.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:08.55 | Jamash | I'm confused :( |
| 14:09.07 | Adys | what i mean is, i can see how bashiok could confuse them in the final post, if thats how its architectured |
| 14:09.14 | Jamash | oh sure |
| 14:09.22 | Adys | its also possible they store enchants, transmogs, etc separately from the id |
| 14:09.39 | Adys | but its doubtful as theres no useful db access on those when they're stored outside the character |
| 14:09.39 | Maldivia | base items have an ID in D3, similar to how wow does it |
| 14:10.29 | Adys | anyway, anyone with an old firefox version? 4.x or older |
| 14:10.39 | Kraps | me |
| 14:10.43 | Jamash | Remember that they have to store items in a versionable fashion |
| 14:10.55 | Kraps | 3.6 |
| 14:10.56 | Kalrth | select * from itamz where char_id = (select id from charz where name = 'Adys') |
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| 14:11.06 | Jamash | when items get patched, base values might change but affixes might remain the same, etc |
| 14:11.43 | Jamash | so the itemstring or equivalent has to store more information than would be required if patching/hotfixing wasn't an issue |
| 14:12.51 | Jamash | a clever way to do it would be to store a base id and an RNG seed, but that assumes they're using a PRNG and not a real RNG |
| 14:13.21 | Maldivia | well, there is no such thing as real RNG :P |
| 14:13.24 | Jamash | I hope they're using hardware RNGs |
| 14:13.29 | Jamash | is so |
| 14:13.34 | Jamash | quantum noise |
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| 14:14.26 | Maldivia | that might seem random now, but at some point, someone will find a formula for that as well :P |
| 14:14.42 | Jamash | not if our current knowledge of physics is even remotely correct |
| 14:14.51 | Adys | and its not |
| 14:14.56 | Jamash | fair enough |
| 14:15.27 | Adys | must be funny being a physicist |
| 14:15.35 | Adys | knowing everything you know is likely wrong |
| 14:15.55 | Jamash | ah, but the issue is not right or wrong, it's right *enough* or wrong *enough* |
| 14:15.56 | Fisker | Adys i wonder |
| 14:15.59 | Adys | then again, php programmers have the same issue |
| 14:16.01 | Sintacks | PICK A RANDOM NUMBER GO |
| 14:16.03 | Fisker | why are there 64-bit chromium linux builds |
| 14:16.03 | Sintacks | 9082735897235897234897235498723789234897234789235 |
| 14:16.05 | Fisker | but not windows? |
| 14:16.07 | Jamash | Sintacks: 3 |
| 14:16.07 | mckenziemc | 2 |
| 14:16.09 | Fisker | bitism? |
| 14:16.11 | Sintacks | haha |
| 14:16.17 | Sintacks | why three and 2? |
| 14:16.22 | Jamash | wait |
| 14:16.23 | mckenziemc | random |
| 14:16.24 | Jamash | I've got this |
| 14:16.39 | mckenziemc | more correctly spontaneous |
| 14:16.40 | Jamash | https://www.xkcd.com/221/ |
| 14:16.45 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 14:16.54 | Adys | Fisker: because google doesnt have many windows buildbots |
| 14:17.03 | Jamash | Fisker: because windows is hard |
| 14:17.15 | Sintacks | <3 Jamash |
| 14:17.18 | durcyn | i'm sorry that your choice of platforms sucks, Fisker |
| 14:17.25 | Jamash | google probably can't afford a 64-bit copy of visual studio |
| 14:17.40 | Fisker | umad durcyn ? |
| 14:17.41 | Jamash | </trololol> |
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| 14:18.12 | Jamash | sup blade's edge |
| 14:18.20 | Jamash | underscore work |
| 14:18.30 | durcyn | i'm always mad, Fisker |
| 14:18.34 | Fisker | good |
| 14:18.35 | durcyn | so fuckin' mad |
| 14:18.43 | alestane | We're all mad here... |
| 14:19.02 | Jamash | if you weren't mad you wouldn't be here |
| 14:19.35 | Adys | hmm :/ xkcd's cdn doesnt seem to support https |
| 14:19.40 | Jamash | nods knowingly at alestane in a matter that indicates having "got" a "reference" to a "work of fiction" |
| 14:20.10 | Jamash | hey I have a new meme for all yall |
| 14:20.13 | Jamash | "scare" quotes |
| 14:20.26 | mitch0 | "new"? |
| 14:20.36 | Jamash | the scare quotes around scare are new :D |
| 14:20.51 | Jamash | ie I put scare quotes in your scare quotes |
| 14:21.29 | Jamash | your other new meme for the day is that Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning is "The Junior Scrolls" |
| 14:22.07 | Jamash | pass it on |
| 14:22.10 | durcyn | rpg memes should be punishable by death |
| 14:22.21 | durcyn | really anything game-related tbh |
| 14:22.22 | mitch0 | s/rpg// |
| 14:22.30 | Jamash | I used to punish RPG memes with death |
| 14:22.37 | durcyn | god damnit |
| 14:22.42 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 14:22.42 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 14:22.46 | Sintacks | needs to go to sleep |
| 14:22.58 | Jamash | gestures hypnotically at Sintacks. SLEEEP! |
| 14:29.34 | Maldivia | Jamash: in regards to d3 items -- even if they have to store every single stat value of an item, to make sure they don't change with patches etc, that's still not a lot of storage required for an item... say room for 16 stats, 6 gems, dye, ids for base item, prefix and suffix, and add some extra fields for traceability etc, that can still be fitted in about 100 bytes... so a stash of a max of 810 items is |
| 14:29.35 | Maldivia | what, 100kb/account? |
| 14:30.06 | Jamash | they seem to have some ungodly amount of overhead |
| 14:30.13 | Jamash | or they're just bad |
| 14:30.23 | Fisker | they take screenshots of the items when they drop |
| 14:30.33 | Fisker | and save it as .tga |
| 14:30.43 | Jamash | I guess how long they keep their database logfiles is a factor |
| 14:31.00 | Jamash | for restoration, investigations of cheating, etc. |
| 14:31.03 | Fisker | 2 months at the moment |
| 14:31.11 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/microsoft-touts-plugin-free-web-offers-desktop-fallback-for-flash-fetishists.ars |
| 14:31.14 | Fisker | but since there's money involved in the diablo items maybe more |
| 14:31.15 | Adys | ~microsoft++ |
| 14:31.28 | Adys | not often i do that |
| 14:32.04 | nevcairiel | Isn't that old news |
| 14:32.41 | nevcairiel | Guess the fallback is new |
| 14:32.47 | Adys | yep |
| 14:33.40 | durcyn | still amusing that microsoft's solution to eroding market share is to emulate apple |
| 14:34.11 | Dagmar | Umm... Other way around |
| 14:34.40 | Jamash | when they say "plugin-free" are they abandoning silverlight? |
| 14:34.59 | nevcairiel | Yes |
| 14:35.06 | Maldivia | I thought they already gad |
| 14:35.08 | Maldivia | had* |
| 14:35.11 | Jamash | pardon my skepticism on that front |
| 14:35.33 | Jamash | ie I'll believe it when netflix doesn't require a plugin |
| 14:35.48 | Jamash | which is to say, never |
| 14:35.57 | nevcairiel | Silver light is dead, its death was announced a while ago |
| 14:36.27 | durcyn | Jamash: you assume netflix cares about existing on thick clients |
| 14:36.33 | Jamash | yeah but it doesn't have a replacement for sites that want DRM video |
| 14:36.45 | Jamash | which is stupid, but they still want it |
| 14:37.04 | Jamash | durcyn: I do assume netflix cares about streaming to pcs, yes |
| 14:37.06 | durcyn | STBs and TVs with netflix clients built-in are what the industry is going to force feed you |
| 14:37.34 | durcyn | replace netflix with your streaming service of choice |
| 14:37.52 | Jamash | bleck |
| 14:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Love my netflix! |
| 14:38.51 | durcyn | Jamash: http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html in case you're one of the two remaining people on earth that isn't tired of hearing cory doctorow talk... |
| 14:39.48 | nevcairiel | The w3c says that html5 video might as well support drm, they just leave it up to the implementations to figure out how |
| 14:40.58 | nevcairiel | Maybe Netflix just throws a metro app at you to watch their stuff |
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| 14:43.15 | Jamash | I had the free trial for a month and I watched one thing, so I concluded I don't want netflix |
| 14:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | I have Netflix and Amazon Prime - that's my television right there. And the occasional Hulu. |
| 14:44.05 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:44.21 | Sintacks | i watch netflix in bursts |
| 14:44.26 | Sintacks | won't want it for a month |
| 14:44.31 | Sintacks | then watch is 16 hours a day for a week |
| 14:47.18 | Ackis | so we killed the heroic dude with the oozes last night |
| 14:47.20 | Ackis | that was fun |
| 14:47.34 | Sintacks | 10 or 25 |
| 14:49.03 | Ackis | 25 |
| 14:49.21 | Sintacks | grats |
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| 15:08.08 | Ackis | anyone here play a disc priest? |
| 15:08.20 | mckenziemc | i am rigth now! |
| 15:08.28 | mckenziemc | but she's only 17 :P |
| 15:08.45 | Stanzilla | no Ackis |
| 15:08.46 | Stanzilla | go away |
| 15:08.47 | Ackis | I'm just trying to find out why I suck: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-yfyc7mlej0eji2ub/analyze/hd/source/ |
| 15:09.52 | Stanzilla | Ackis: what did you do, tank healing? |
| 15:10.11 | Ackis | group 4 healing & PoM's on the tank |
| 15:10.37 | Stanzilla | why is your single target heal above your group heal then? |
| 15:10.57 | Ackis | because when purple is up, gheal is better than PoH |
| 15:11.57 | Stanzilla | are you sure about that? |
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| 15:12.29 | Ackis | yeah only 1 person takes damage usually in the group, and a PoH would put the debuff on the entire group |
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| 15:12.40 | Ackis | there are instances where a PoH is needed |
| 15:12.54 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.58 | Ackis | hi bluspacecow |
| 15:13.21 | mckenziemc | ~trout bluspacecow |
| 15:13.21 | purl | ACTION slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout! |
| 15:13.54 | Stanzilla | Ackis: thing is, by using poh you make sure that everyone in your group has the same amount of debuff stacks, gets the HoT healing and aegeis |
| 15:14.35 | Stanzilla | our disc priest did 5 gheals in total a kill last week :o |
| 15:14.39 | Stanzilla | *in |
| 15:16.42 | Stanzilla | Ackis: and you need to shield more |
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| 15:18.31 | Ackis | apparently I do |
| 15:18.44 | Ackis | fuck disc |
| 15:18.53 | Ackis | if it wasn't for the raid bubble I wouldn't have to play it |
| 15:19.55 | Stanzilla | I prefer it over holy :o |
| 15:20.09 | Ackis | really? |
| 15:20.15 | Ackis | I just don't know how to play it |
| 15:20.24 | Ackis | and it's fucking up the times when I play holy |
| 15:20.28 | Ackis | I switch back and forth so much |
| 15:21.31 | Stanzilla | a good priest can play all 3 specs equally good :D |
| 15:21.32 | Fisker | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Aeu.battle.net%2Fwow%2Fen%2Fforum%2Ftopic%2F3313062477 <-deeeeeerp |
| 15:21.55 | Ackis | then I'm not a good fucking priest and I should delete my toon |
| 15:22.30 | Stanzilla | or better: learn :D |
| 15:23.29 | Fisker | should i take his account? |
| 15:23.32 | Fisker | he has cataclysm on it |
| 15:27.17 | Fisker | bluspacecow lol'd so |
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| 15:49.16 | Ackis | "And for the record, ladies, if you sleep with someone who views himself as less attractive than you, chances are he's going to be super appreciative and go out of his way to make sure it's not an awful experience. What I'm saying is, maybe consider sleeping with a fat dude this weekend." |
| 15:50.16 | Kalrth | lol |
| 15:57.54 | Lopeppeppy | Right. |
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| 16:03.26 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 16:03.26 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 16:04.14 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:11.56 | Kraps_w | says the fat dude |
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| 16:17.07 | Ackis | hey I'm married |
| 16:18.44 | Thunder_Child | which means you are never going to get any |
| 16:19.08 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:21.56 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/r1SZ1.jpg |
| 16:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. You melt me, Ackis. |
| 16:22.17 | Ackis | :) |
| 16:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | I really almost got a second cat last weekend. But my place is way too small for two felines. |
| 16:22.36 | Ackis | it's how I keep you and the other ladies from killing me :D |
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| 16:23.00 | Ackis | I'm babysitting my moms dog, and my own dog is having a blast with him, makes me want to get a second dog of our own |
| 16:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | Moose is aggressive-dominant, a second cat gets the crap beat out of it, every single day. That's just not acceptable. |
| 16:23.46 | nicoli_s | Im currently watching a big husky we rescued from the front yard |
| 16:28.21 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/GzrV8.jpg |
| 16:29.15 | nicoli_s | awww |
| 16:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | If it fits, it ships! |
| 16:31.57 | Dagmar | poops in a box. |
| 16:32.08 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 16:32.17 | mckenziemc | no hazardous materials |
| 16:33.02 | alestane | "Instead of office chair, package contained bobcat. |
| 16:33.07 | alestane | "Would not buy again." |
| 16:33.14 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure if i shipped a package with a tiny speaker that repeatedly played back the sound of a crying child they'd have a problem with that, too |
| 16:33.42 | Dagmar | Nothing says "Fun day at work" like the sound of a lost child sobbing uncontrollably coming from nowhere in particular. At random. |
| 16:35.15 | Kraps_w | huh? |
| 16:35.25 | Kraps_w | that actually happened? |
| 16:35.49 | Dagmar | Not yet, which probably has a lot to do with why there's no asterisk at the end of their ads |
| 16:35.54 | bluspacecow | i do believe that geek toys site has one of those |
| 16:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I loved those days in retail, calling the cops, social services... |
| 16:36.03 | Dagmar | ...but I have a gadget here for doing that. |
| 16:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | bluspacecow, I know they have a gadget for cricket noises. |
| 16:36.11 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/czAFG.jpg |
| 16:36.18 | bluspacecow | @Peppy! |
| 16:36.28 | Dagmar | I've used it at the mall |
| 16:36.28 | bluspacecow | HAI2U! |
| 16:36.30 | Dagmar | ...and yes, it's becasue I'm a bastard |
| 16:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, stop that! Bad man, no brownies. |
| 16:36.46 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: it's cute! |
| 16:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going into diabetic shock here. I can't stand the cute, I'll cry all over my lunch. Which Fisker kindly prepared for me. |
| 16:37.21 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the Post Office would give me at least a Certificate of Lesser Bastardry if I were to turn these little babies on and ship them |
| 16:37.31 | bluspacecow | its fish again isn't it peppy ? |
| 16:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | It's always fish with Fisker, bluspacecow. |
| 16:38.08 | alestane | "That's so sweet, I'm getting cavities." |
| 16:39.21 | Dagmar | An annoyatron is one thing, because it's a sound that irritates people |
| 16:39.31 | Dagmar | They want the noise to stop, and they can always leave. |
| 16:39.42 | Fisker | Dagmar is the name of a girl |
| 16:39.57 | Dagmar | Twist that around a little and turn it into something that people _want_ to find but can't... You'll have matronly types pulling out their hair in big clumps |
| 16:40.36 | bluspacecow | LOLZ |
| 16:41.11 | Dagmar | I am absolutely not suggesting anyone else replicate my results in their local shopping malls. I am especially not pointing out that this is most effective if you plant more than one unit so there's no easy way for someone to isolate where it's coming from |
| 16:41.39 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 16:41.42 | Fisker | did you lulz too much? |
| 16:41.44 | Fisker | since you dc'd? |
| 16:41.57 | Kraps_w | fis |
| 16:41.59 | Kraps_w | ker |
| 16:42.06 | bluspacecow | naaw fisker |
| 16:42.18 | Fisker | didn't you see the lulz? |
| 16:42.19 | bluspacecow | work filter kept blocking multimedia and blocking access to the page |
| 16:42.22 | bluspacecow | so i gave up |
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| 16:42.26 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 16:42.28 | Fisker | do it now |
| 16:42.35 | Fisker | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Aeu.battle.net%2Fwow%2Fen%2Fforum%2Ftopic%2F3313062477 |
| 16:44.23 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOL |
| 16:44.26 | bluspacecow | private server user |
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| 16:56.47 | Fisker | not so much bluspacecow |
| 16:58.11 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 17:07.56 | alestane | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=262866957117663&set=a.165741430163550.42434.127993237271703&type=1&ref=nf |
| 17:08.07 | alestane | Should be a public photos |
| 17:08.10 | alestane | photo* |
| 17:08.30 | bluspacecow | acorn hat! |
| 17:08.34 | bluspacecow | *steals* |
| 17:08.41 | bluspacecow | *puts on peppy's head* |
| 17:15.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
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| 17:28.48 | Lunessa | Hello ladies. |
| 17:29.35 | mikma | well hello |
| 17:29.47 | mikma | http://foreca.com/Russia/Baranikha |
| 17:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 17:33.25 | Lunessa | waggles his eyebrows suggestively. |
| 17:33.52 | mikma | uuh aah just a littlebit |
| 17:34.00 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/Lf99H.jpg |
| 17:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | baby hippo looks concerned about Lunessa's eyebrow habits. |
| 17:35.21 | Dagmar | Cute but slimy lookin' |
| 17:36.16 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 17:41.18 | Fisker | he had cataclysm blu |
| 17:41.20 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:42.03 | Lunessa | I want a hippopotumus for BlizzCon. Only a hippopotumus will do! |
| 17:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | I only like hipp-o-pot-a-mus-es-es! |
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| 17:43.03 | Dewin | So my guild was discussing the ret paladin bug and we came to the conclusion that Blizzard was just testing out the mega damage concept for Mists. |
| 17:43.24 | Dewin | Also, the 64 bit client is to make room for 32 more bits of DPS. |
| 17:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ret paladins need toys too, you know. |
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| 17:48.25 | Fisker | disassembles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | NO disassemble Peppy Number 1. Peppy is ALIVE! |
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| 17:50.05 | mikma | latest gallup says that we aren't gonna be having the first gay president :P |
| 17:53.28 | Dagmar | Unless you're planning on trying to bang the president I wouldn't worry about it much |
| 17:53.28 | Jamash | uh, were we going to? |
| 17:53.37 | Jamash | is newt gingrich gay? |
| 17:53.38 | Dagmar | it's kind of irrelevant to the job duties |
| 17:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | JFK thought it was very relevant. :) |
| 17:54.24 | Dagmar | Yeah and he might be the only person to have made that type of diplomacy work since Ben Franklin, and it sort of backfired on Franklin towards the end of his run |
| 17:54.48 | Jamash | sexy diplomacy? |
| 17:54.53 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 17:55.26 | Jamash | bush tried it on angela merkel |
| 17:55.27 | Dagmar | You are aware that Franklin's run as ambassador to France ended basically because he was _fucking too many people's wives_, right? |
| 17:55.32 | Jamash | didn't go over well |
| 17:55.54 | Jamash | in a vague way |
| 17:58.58 | Lunessa | Clinton tried it on lots of women. |
| 17:59.29 | Lunessa | Dagmar: And still the French hated the English enough to lend material support. * |
| 18:00.10 | Dagmar | I still think it's funny that Clinton went to NK to pick up two chicks |
| 18:00.28 | Dagmar | ...with Gore as a chaperone apparently. |
| 18:00.56 | alestane | Franklin was a really notorious philanderer. |
| 18:00.59 | Dagmar | Yeah I see that |
| 18:01.09 | Dagmar | wrong chan but entertainingly apropos |
| 18:01.18 | Lunessa | Dude, he picked up Helmet Hair chicks. Seriously? You're the gorram President, and you're picking up chicas wo still use AquaNet and Bumpits? |
| 18:01.21 | alestane | He apparently had a habit of doing morning calisthenics nude within view of his front street window. |
| 18:02.16 | Dagmar | Clearly something he was doing was working |
| 18:03.31 | alestane | It frequently sounds to me like he was just captivated by women...they like being appreciated as much as they received from him. |
| 18:03.49 | Lunessa | Have you read his auto-biography |
| 18:03.51 | Lunessa | ? |
| 18:03.55 | alestane | Franklin? |
| 18:03.57 | Lunessa | Yeah |
| 18:04.03 | alestane | I haven't had the chance yet. |
| 18:04.05 | Dagmar | My ninth grade history teacher read us part of it |
| 18:04.31 | Kraps_w | a quarter of a million dps wat |
| 18:04.36 | Lunessa | It doesn't cover the war years much, but it was prety interesting stuff. He doesn't gloss over that he was something of a wastrel youth. |
| 18:05.00 | alestane | Non sequitor: For those following my makefile woes last night, the easiest solution turned out to be putting "g++" instead of "gcc". |
| 18:05.06 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 18:05.16 | Dagmar | Seriously... You were compiling C++ by invoking gcc? |
| 18:05.26 | Dagmar | You _are_ new to building stuff |
| 18:05.40 | alestane | Dude. I never had to do compilation from a command line before. |
| 18:05.43 | alestane | Ever. |
| 18:05.50 | Dagmar | Well, yes, hence "new". |
| 18:06.00 | Dagmar | It's completely understandable |
| 18:06.04 | alestane | Except some stuff in Macintosh Programmer's Workshop, and that was Pascal. |
| 18:06.39 | alestane | My understanding is that it's all the same binary, but different aliases with different options. |
| 18:06.48 | Dagmar | Unless hter'es an instructor waving a ruler at you telling you to do it, most people seem to figure out they should invoke gcc as g++ when building C code for pretty much the same reason you had yours blow up on |
| 18:06.49 | Dagmar | you |
| 18:07.06 | alestane | The instructor told us JACK SHIT about how to go about it. |
| 18:07.12 | Dagmar | Call it as g++ and it makes a whole new set of assumptions about what you need |
| 18:07.16 | alestane | He just told us "supply it with a makefile." |
| 18:07.18 | Kraps_w | this is a pretty strange thread http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/216649-any-news-coming-in-the-next-10-months/ |
| 18:07.43 | Dagmar | alestane: Well it _is_ in the makefile where you tell it you are compiling C++ code. ;) |
| 18:07.47 | alestane | I had to find out how to do that from resources on the internet, and the examples all said gss, or more often, just cc. |
| 18:08.32 | alestane | I figured gcc could infer that from the .cpp extension, which it actually can. |
| 18:08.48 | alestane | When you compile. |
| 18:09.20 | alestane | Then you end up with a C++ library that has a .o extension, and gcc was NOT able to infer that that required C++ linking. |
| 18:10.21 | alestane | I solved it last night after some more google research by calling gcc -lstdc++, and then had the notion this morning that I might have missed something. |
| 18:11.05 | Dagmar | I suspect that would be gcc viewing that as ld's problem to worry about |
| 18:11.41 | Dagmar | Assumptions around there are dangerous |
| 18:12.11 | Dagmar | they're pretty much precisely why for a short span, anything compiled under Gnome would wind up with something like 40 libs attached |
| 18:12.44 | alestane | The professor, I think, assumed that any graduate student in computer science would be acquainted with bash compile processes. |
| 18:12.57 | Dagmar | There was a libtool change (IIRC) that caused it to pretty much hand _every library possible_ over to the linker, and it was completely fine with basically itemizing /usr/lib in the list |
| 18:13.24 | alestane | I had built stuff from makefiles before, thankfully. |
| 18:13.41 | alestane | So I had some concept of what they do and the role they play. |
| 18:13.46 | Dagmar | Thanks good |
| 18:13.57 | alestane | But I'm not sure I had ever had to crack one open before. |
| 18:14.03 | Dagmar | I still catch the occasional person who is unaware of the role of .am files |
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| 18:14.29 | nicoli_s | im unaware of the role of .am files |
| 18:14.37 | Dagmar | ...as in makefile.am |
| 18:14.49 | alestane | I was sort of hoping there would be some utility that I could feed my source, and it would go "Voilá! a makefile for you!" but the syntax was obligingly simple. |
| 18:15.01 | nicoli_s | i dont deal with that ancient stuff, .sln is all i need :P |
| 18:15.06 | Dagmar | ...as in the file that, if present, and you dork around with the Makefile, there's a possibility that during hte build process, make might decide it needs to regenerate practically everything. |
| 18:15.26 | alestane | It was on the script syntax that I was putting in the makefile that I was unclear. |
| 18:15.29 | Dagmar | ...and then, since you probably have that stuff in an "iffy" configuration, all hell will break loose as your makefile change disappear |
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| 18:18.42 | alestane | So yeah. several crucial breakthroughs yesterday. |
| 18:18.57 | mitchnull | hrmp |
| 18:19.07 | mitchnull | irssi is strang4e |
| 18:19.14 | alestane | Not the least of which was that full duplex networking pretty much necessitates multi-threading. |
| 18:19.45 | alestane | At least, if you actually want to process in full duplex. |
| 18:20.22 | Dagmar | Only if you're lazy |
| 18:20.27 | alestane | I think I learned more about the std::streambuf class than I did about sockets. |
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| 18:20.49 | mitchnull | alestane: boost::asio? |
| 18:21.05 | alestane | I don't think we were supposed to be using libraries. |
| 18:21.15 | mitchnull | std:: is a library, too ;) |
| 18:21.35 | alestane | Yes well. For that matter, so is the BSD socket implementation. |
| 18:21.46 | mitchnull | indeed |
| 18:21.59 | mitchnull | so, you should've gone with boost::asio :) |
| 18:22.07 | alestane | But the whole point was for us to practice programming network communications. |
| 18:22.16 | Dagmar | It's probably not useful for the class if they use a lib that just _solves the problem_ for them |
| 18:22.16 | mitchnull | so? |
| 18:22.31 | mitchnull | depends on which problem you want to solve |
| 18:22.46 | mitchnull | if you're in c++, you should use a suitable lib anyway |
| 18:22.55 | Dagmar | They should start them in plain C and let them learn the exquisite pain of select failures |
| 18:23.15 | alestane | I wrote a very nice StreamSocket class, and then spent the other 60% of the project writing mindless text parsers and getting it to compile. |
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| 18:24.01 | mitchnull | boost::spirit :) |
| 18:24.06 | mitchnull | oh well... |
| 18:24.07 | alestane | Well, the library is in C. They gave us the option of programming the project in C or C++, and given the huge bulk of text stream processing I needed to do, I opted for C++. |
| 18:24.31 | alestane | Yes, I'm 100% positive someone has already written functionally the same class, years ago, better. |
| 18:24.45 | mitchnull | btw, if you haven't read Unix Network Programming by R. Stevens, grab a copy and read it. |
| 18:25.02 | alestane | The whole point was to get under the fucking hood of such a thing, not just turn the ignition and step on the gas. |
| 18:25.04 | mitchnull | boost::spirit is for the parsing part |
| 18:25.10 | mikma | so... |
| 18:25.23 | mikma | i bought a remotecontrolled led lightbulb and put it in the sauna |
| 18:25.26 | mikma | pornooooooooo |
| 18:25.43 | nevcairiel | using such libraries in a class project usually defeats the point. :p |
| 18:25.45 | alestane | I gather plenty of the other students were using raw C, I heard them discussing issues with scanf. |
| 18:28.13 | mitchnull | alestane: did you have the option to use c++11 features? |
| 18:28.43 | alestane | If it would compile on the campus NIX machines, probably. |
| 18:29.40 | mitchnull | well, that doesn't tell much. anyway, c++11 is nice. can't wait for full support for it being widespread |
| 18:29.50 | Arrowmaster | this is weird, yesterday playing d3beta in wine i could alt-tab and the windows key would bring up the stupid gnome3 menu, today neither works |
| 18:30.54 | mitchnull | on a side note, I'll switch back to epic, this irssi thing is too funky |
| 18:31.21 | Ackis | pretty fucking awesome: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/p7kfg/my_friend_has_terminal_cancer_and_may_die_by_june/ |
| 18:31.57 | alestane | That doesn't look like something I'd call awesome. |
| 18:32.05 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/misc/IMG_0051.JPG |
| 18:32.10 | mikma | like i said, pornooooo |
| 18:32.35 | alestane | Okay, slightly more awesome when you actually read it. |
| 18:32.41 | Ackis | yeah |
| 18:33.05 | mitchnull | mikma: that image lacks essential content |
| 18:33.17 | nevcairiel | i'll never get reddit, what is it with people and just announcing their problems to the internet |
| 18:33.22 | nevcairiel | also, why is it not a trollfest :p |
| 18:33.34 | Dagmar | Wow. One of my co-workers takes "sensitive" to a new low. |
| 18:33.39 | mikma | mitchnull: what? naked finnish people = dicks / tits? |
| 18:33.56 | Dagmar | I just found out that _apparently_ he returned F.E.A.R to the store the same day it came out because it was _too scary_ |
| 18:34.07 | Dagmar | No wonder the Navy made him a clerk |
| 18:34.19 | Arrowmaster | a store let him return it? |
| 18:34.21 | nevcairiel | the game was named fear... |
| 18:35.08 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yes, smaller shops are still cool like that, although it's rarer now than it was when it came out |
| 18:41.28 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/czzve.gif |
| 18:42.01 | Lunessa | in case anyone is interested in Choonster's project to parse the Community API stuff in Lua: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3988301368 |
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| 18:50.22 | Fisker | haha |
| 18:50.28 | Fisker | looks like THQ is doing a firesale |
| 18:50.50 | Kraps_w | that reminds me of diehard 4 |
| 18:51.03 | Corrodias | well, THQ is definitly on fire |
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| 18:52.33 | Corrodias | where do i look for this fire sale? |
| 18:52.38 | Fisker | steam |
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| 18:55.00 | Ackis | http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1DSGQ_enGB463GB463&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define+british+person |
| 18:56.07 | TC-Work | more like a Warhammer firesale |
| 19:00.32 | Corrodias | Space Marine has reached the DLC saturation point, i think |
| 19:00.37 | Corrodias | the DLC costs more than the game |
| 19:00.58 | Corrodias | they really EAed the hell out of that game |
| 19:04.14 | Fisker | yes TC-Work |
| 19:04.29 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:04.36 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 19:04.39 | Fisker | sup? |
| 19:04.46 | haste | listening to filthcast |
| 19:06.18 | Fisker | filthy |
| 19:12.00 | TC-Work | Corrodias: there is no DLC that costs more than the game |
| 19:18.36 | syrae | Good morning, folks of various persuasions! |
| 19:19.14 | TC-Work | what are we persuading? |
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| 19:19.45 | syrae | TC-Work: We are trying to persuade a certain someone NOT to talk his clothes off... |
| 19:19.52 | syrae | s/talk/take |
| 19:20.16 | TC-Work | this is IRC, what do i care if soemone is nude in here |
| 19:20.37 | TC-Work | hell, around here nude means 'having no hostmask' |
| 19:20.58 | Lunessa | oshi … things just got real, you! |
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| 19:22.30 | syrae | Lunessa: :( |
| 19:23.09 | Lunessa | syrae: Any time you want to drop by, I promise to leave out pants you can ninja, ok? |
| 19:23.28 | syrae | <3 |
| 19:25.32 | TC-Work | hmm...tab-complete has me spoiled, i can not spell anyones name if they are not in channel |
| 19:26.40 | Ackis | me too TC-Work |
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| 19:44.48 | mitchnull | moo |
| 19:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | baaa |
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| 19:54.26 | Fisker | destroys Ackis |
| 19:54.28 | Fisker | for free |
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| 20:15.36 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/2001-all-over-again-internet-explorer-6-share-grows-and-chrome-falls.ars |
| 20:15.38 | Adys | .. |
| 20:16.16 | Fisker | wut |
| 20:16.42 | Fisker | how is this even possible? |
| 20:16.53 | Fisker | did the total amount of internet users decline? |
| 20:17.25 | Humbedooh | maybe North Korea finally got Internet access |
| 20:18.56 | Fisker | i hate gary |
| 20:19.18 | Humbedooh | I'm sure Gary hates you too |
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| 20:22.46 | Dewin | Are there any wowpedia expert types lurking in here perchance? |
| 20:23.13 | Kraps_w | me |
| 20:23.15 | Kraps_w | i guess |
| 20:23.21 | Kraps_w | oh no |
| 20:23.35 | Kraps_w | i thought you sais wikipedia |
| 20:24.00 | Dewin | Then again, I suppose this is a variation of "Don't ask to ask, just ask", so I'll throw it out there... |
| 20:24.45 | Dewin | I just threw together http://www.wowpedia.org/User:Dewin/Multiple_WoW_Installs as a guide for creating symlinked copies of WoW for UI testing/multiboxing/etc and I'm looking for someone to a) give it a good looking over and b) Tell me where the heck I should put the final version. |
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| 20:29.15 | Ackis | Dewin: try #wowpedia |
| 20:29.21 | Fisker | i farted Ackis |
| 20:29.41 | Ackis | kool |
| 20:30.41 | Ackis | Dewin: why would it break on patching? and why would you use hardlinks over symlinks for Win7? (I've only played with symlinks in linux not windows) |
| 20:31.09 | Dewin | Symlinks do not work very well :-/ |
| 20:32.09 | Dewin | I make a symlink D:\wow\wowtest.exe --> D:\wow\wow.exe and attempting to launch wowtest.exe gives a "The specified path does not exist" error in Explorer. |
| 20:32.16 | Dewin | Though it does work from a command prompt. |
| 20:32.32 | cbreak | does windows explorer support proper symlinks these days? |
| 20:32.40 | Dewin | hmm, also works from start->run, just not via explorer. |
| 20:32.53 | BlackNet | any way to record a realid convo? |
| 20:33.27 | Dewin | There might also be issues from wow itself trying to open symlinks to its dll files... in fact, let me go do it that way and see what happens |
| 20:34.17 | Ackis | and forgive my newbness but wouldn't symlinks fix the patch day issue? |
| 20:34.47 | Ackis | wait is it symlinks and hardlinks or softlinks and hardlinks? |
| 20:34.50 | Ackis | is derping |
| 20:34.55 | Dewin | symlink is correct |
| 20:34.56 | Fisker | what if my penis is hard? |
| 20:34.57 | Fisker | hoho |
| 20:34.59 | cbreak | what issues? |
| 20:35.20 | Dewin | Ackis: They would. The only reason for hardlinks is because... you can't actually double-click on a symlink to wow.exe to launch wow. |
| 20:35.21 | Ackis | cbreak: http://www.wowpedia.org/User:Dewin/Multiple_WoW_Installs |
| 20:36.05 | Dewin | And a shortcut to the symlink doesn't work either. |
| 20:36.19 | Ackis | silly windows |
| 20:36.48 | cbreak | something like a shadow copy? |
| 20:37.08 | cbreak | ZFS transparently supports that I read |
| 20:37.32 | cbreak | on windows you might be able to do it with mount points... |
| 20:37.38 | cbreak | doesn't use windows |
| 20:37.45 | cbreak | junctions? or how were they called? |
| 20:37.49 | Dewin | Junctions. |
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| 20:38.04 | Dewin | though newer versions of NTFS also support symlinks... Explorer does not |
| 20:38.33 | cbreak | symlinks are ultra primitive |
| 20:38.46 | cbreak | the old mac os had much better alternative, aliases |
| 20:38.51 | nevcairiel | explorer is fine with directory symlinks |
| 20:39.04 | Dewin | directory symlinks and junctions yes |
| 20:39.10 | Dewin | symlink to an exe file? Can't run it. |
| 20:39.24 | Dewin | start->run will run it, double-clicking it (or a shortcut to it) will not |
| 20:39.30 | cbreak | couldn't you just symlink the data folders into different directories? |
| 20:39.33 | cbreak | and copy the executable? |
| 20:39.42 | Dewin | That doesn't solve the "breaks on patch day" issue |
| 20:39.58 | nevcairiel | so setup a script to copy the executables again after patch =p |
| 20:39.58 | Dewin | because the first client will patch its exe and the data folders, second client will get a copy of old exe + new data dirs |
| 20:40.20 | cbreak | yeah. you'd have to somehow replace the other programs |
| 20:40.20 | Lunessa | If you're going to use Symlinks for multiple installs of WoW, probably the best thing to link are the WTF, Interface and Data folders. |
| 20:40.53 | Dewin | In my particular case, I junction (not symlink) all folders EXCEPT wtf and interface and hardlink all files in the main WoW folder. |
| 20:41.21 | Dewin | But my use case is "Hey, have a second copy of WoW in case I want to try drastically overhauling my UI but don't want to break my 'live' UI" |
| 20:41.39 | cbreak | that's what backups are for :) |
| 20:41.48 | nevcairiel | I would just copy my WTF folder and then do it |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | or hey, put it under version control |
| 20:42.04 | cbreak | git could do it... |
| 20:42.16 | Dewin | Well, in my case, I was going back and forth between tweaking one setup and actively using another. |
| 20:42.23 | Dewin | My UI is a huge mess of too many addons :-p |
| 20:42.28 | Stanzilla | branches :p |
| 20:42.41 | Lunessa | I have two installs of WoW so I can play two accounts at the same time. But I'm not fanatical about it, so I haven't bothered to link anything at all or install multi-boxing software. |
| 20:43.03 | Dewin | Lunessa: You can just run the same copy multiple times for most cases |
| 20:43.13 | cbreak | probably not on OS X |
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| 20:43.23 | cbreak | well, with a bit of console magic |
| 20:43.26 | Lunessa | Dewin: On copy two I use very different settings and no addons |
| 20:43.41 | Dewin | Ah. So the exact use case for what I said :-p |
| 20:44.12 | Dewin | though on OS X it's a lot simpler, just mkdir wow2, cp -s wow/* wow2 ; rm wow2/interface ; rm wow2/wtf |
| 20:44.28 | Dewin | err, I think cp -s works for that anyways, it might want absolute paths |
| 20:44.57 | Dagmar | Jesus holy crist |
| 20:45.14 | Dewin | of course, the real solution is for Blizzard to let us launch path/to/wow -interfacedir path/to/some/other/interfacedir -wtfdir path/to/some/other/wtfdir |
| 20:45.19 | Dagmar | If you're going to make symlinks, just symlink a directory and be done with it |
| 20:45.35 | Dewin | Dagmar: The problem is there's two subdirectories which need to NOT be linked. |
| 20:46.32 | Lunessa | Actually, I mostly play WoW under Windows 7. But I do have a Mac OS X install too. |
| 20:47.02 | Dagmar | There's a way around that but it's non-intuitive. I suppose it's a greater evil than four jillion symlinks |
| 20:47.27 | Dewin | reparse points? :) |
| 20:48.09 | Dagmar | short explanation: using ../../../../symlinks for hte unique part |
| 20:48.48 | cbreak | cp -s? |
| 20:49.31 | Dewin | Dagmar: Something like ln -s wow wow2 ; mount --bind somewhere_else/interface wow2/interface also works. |
| 20:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're just too much computer geek for me to handle, baby. |
| 20:49.39 | Dagmar | cbreaks: Creates symlinks instead of copies |
| 20:49.49 | Dagmar | Dewin: yep |
| 20:49.52 | cbreak | seems undocumented |
| 20:50.15 | Dagmar | Well, it's a NeXt-derivative command |
| 20:50.22 | Dagmar | ...but it's in the linux man page here anyway |
| 20:50.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Rawr. Have I shown you my virtual machines? |
| 20:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh baby. Oh. Please. Do they purr? |
| 20:51.28 | Dagmar | Symlinks that involve ../ actually do follow .. instead of dropping an item off the path |
| 20:51.57 | Dewin | Yeah. |
| 20:52.32 | Dewin | I understand that concept. Actually maybe not really that 'evil' either. |
| 20:52.47 | alestane | I remember one humorous book about computers that my mother brought home from the office late in the 80s, that included a section for hobby widows who had lost their husbands to a fascination with machines, and how to get them back. |
| 20:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | You don't "get them back". You get a friggin' hobby of your own, or leave. |
| 20:53.10 | alestane | It recommended some lines like "Want to see my dedicated port?" |
| 20:53.23 | alestane | And "Can I try your joystick?" |
| 20:53.29 | Dagmar | Crappy exmaple http://pastebin.com/vxYpFH7s |
| 20:53.55 | Dagmar | Your best bet is probably to start a porn site |
| 20:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hop on top, and if that doesn't work, walk away. |
| 20:54.35 | alestane | No-one had any idea what a porn site was in 1987, Dagmar. |
| 20:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | seems to be bitter and cynical today. Hmm. Needs more wine with dinner. |
| 20:55.25 | Dagmar | alestane: yes they did |
| 20:55.36 | Lunessa | uploads a bottle of "cheer" for Lopeppeppy |
| 20:55.46 | Dagmar | There were small stashes of text porn on the internet even then, and really crude color pictures on local BBSes |
| 20:55.58 | Lunessa | They were BBS with lots of "GIF" files. |
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| 20:56.20 | Dagmar | Not in 87 |
| 20:56.21 | Stanzilla | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3313061541?page=1#3 /facepalm once again |
| 20:57.00 | alestane | There were probably a few that specialized in adult material. The publicly known services were mostly mediated services like CompuServe that felt they had reputations to maintain. |
| 20:57.35 | Dagmar | They were mainly bmps in 87. It took awhile for Compu$erve's format to get some adoption |
| 20:57.46 | Lunessa | *cough* in the late 80s I modded a BBS that had a sizeable collection of "adult" material. Mostly text. |
| 20:57.50 | Dagmar | BMPs and... ANSI/ASCII |
| 20:59.42 | Arrowmaster | my D3 broke, i cant even exit game |
| 21:02.57 | Lunessa | HAHAHAHAHA - https://twitter.com/#!/jchutchins/status/165171259708162048/photo/1 |
| 21:03.38 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 21:08.15 | syrae | And I just remembered that these existed: http://www.fashionablecanes.com/Bull_Organ_Penis_Walking_Cane.html |
| 21:09.59 | Lunessa | meeting time. |
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| 21:22.08 | Cide | I accidentally opened the install log for SWTOR |
| 21:22.24 | Cide | [Saturday Jan 14 5:04:19 2012] Welcome page show |
| 21:22.24 | Cide | [Saturday Jan 14 5:04:20 2012] License page show |
| 21:22.24 | Cide | [Saturday Jan 14 5:04:20 2012] License page really show |
| 21:22.31 | Cide | I mean really? |
| 21:23.13 | Cide | [Saturday Jan 14 5:04:49 2012] | SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS | |
| 21:23.14 | Kalroth | haha |
| 21:24.47 | Gnarfoz | Cide: that's pro |
| 21:30.36 | Maldivia | :P |
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| 21:58.14 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/5881699/world-learns-of-facebooks-technical-difficulties-via-twitter highly amusing comments |
| 21:59.59 | alestane | Gods bright and dark, the trolls are out on the UI forum in force today. |
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| 22:08.28 | alestane | "the greedy nature of + combined with the indiscriminate nature of ." ...I really make string.match sound reprehensible. |
| 22:09.00 | kd3 | aren't all regexes reprehensible? |
| 22:12.23 | Lunessa | apparently I'm the only one in my group who knows HTML *headdesk* |
| 22:13.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.25 | alestane | HTML isn't even that hard.. |
| 22:13.55 | alestane | I'll come school them if someone can cover my air fare. |
| 22:14.53 | Lunessa | Nah, it just irks me that in a room full of degreed managers over IT, I'm the only person who knows the tech they're responsible for. |
| 22:15.04 | Lunessa | And I can't get a promotion or a raise to save my life. |
| 22:15.28 | alestane | That is irksome. |
| 22:15.34 | Xyphoid | that's IT for you, raises and promotions come from changing jobs |
| 22:15.46 | Xyphoid | (and then you see complaints about lack of loyalty) |
| 22:15.46 | Lunessa | And they hired me to be a tech writer |
| 22:19.13 | alestane | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150493202971991&set=a.126744066990.114212.685886990&type=1&theater |
| 22:19.56 | nicoli_s | tech writer? |
| 22:20.02 | Lunessa | Attack my minons! MUWAHAHAHA! |
| 22:20.12 | nicoli_s | that is an awesome pic |
| 22:20.27 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I write help docs and the crucial communications about outages, upgrades, etc. |
| 22:20.40 | Lunessa | And the rest of the time, I do support. |
| 22:20.52 | Lunessa | Which I am truly begining to loathe. |
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| 22:21.10 | Lunessa | I also end up doing most of the account administration. |
| 22:21.12 | Adys | "Oh come on, Megaupload was a way to monetize p2p copyright infringement." |
| 22:21.18 | Adys | TIL the meaning of p2p |
| 22:21.18 | Lunessa | And QA testing for internal tools. |
| 22:21.41 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 22:21.51 | Arrowmaster | my htop is full of gray bars right now |
| 22:22.06 | Arrowmaster | is transferring a lot of data to an encrypted drive |
| 22:22.37 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: just wait... soon your top will be full of gray hairs to match |
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| 22:37.03 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.03 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.07 | Mikk | for teh fucking win |
| 22:49.43 | Stanzilla | Mikk: doesn't that taint? |
| 22:50.05 | Mikk | totally |
| 22:50.18 | Mikk | but the point is that that shit gets tainted all the time anyway and doesn't run properly |
| 22:50.49 | Mikk | because blizzard's own unitframe code doesn't use their securestate drivers |
| 22:50.54 | Mikk | __|__ |
| 22:55.10 | Lunessa | Wave that finger in the air like you just don't care! |
| 22:57.05 | Fisker | wp8 has compressed web pages through proxy |
| 22:57.25 | Stanzilla | opera turbo anyone? |
| 22:57.31 | Fisker | and microsoft is complaining about privacy |
| 22:57.36 | Fisker | i lold |
| 22:57.48 | Arrowmaster | how about everybody just fucking enables compression on their servers |
| 22:58.18 | Lunessa | AOL in 1997 anyone? |
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| 23:06.41 | bleeter | NSFW http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/02/02/apple-scotland-having-a-wee-bit-of-trouble/ |
| 23:07.09 | Fisker | old bleeter |
| 23:07.11 | Fisker | even copycat |
| 23:08.21 | Fisker | hates on bleeter |
| 23:08.38 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 23:08.44 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 23:08.52 | bleeter | no u |
| 23:08.56 | Arrowmaster | did you see the big bang theory episode where they used siri |
| 23:09.04 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:09.59 | bleeter | no, I prefer my cliched imitation geek sitcoms to have some wit and intelligence |
| 23:11.02 | TC-Work | so you dont watch anything then? |
| 23:12.39 | Lunessa | I was at the home of a friend who is a screenwriter. I mentioned that I thought "Big Bang Theory" as a terrible show. I became dead to about 2/3rds of the people at the party. |
| 23:14.50 | bleeter | TC-Work: I find IT Crowd cringeworthy for all the right reasons ;) |
| 23:15.35 | bleeter | Lunessa: law of averages would be that's also roughly the same % of people in any given room not knowing anyways ;) |
| 23:15.53 | bleeter | *not worth knowing |
| 23:16.11 | Lunessa | bleeter: Since most of them were TV writers and friends of my good friend, it was… uncomfortable. |
| 23:16.21 | TC-Work | i like big bang theory, it amuses me |
| 23:17.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (Aeyan@cpe-024-163-021-006.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 23:17.45 | bleeter | can't recall the last time a US comedy show made me *really* laugh episode after episode |
| 23:18.03 | bleeter | sure, might be a giggle here and there but I ain't sitting through heaps for that. better stuff to do |
| 23:18.38 | Fisker | it is a terrible show Lunessa |
| 23:18.44 | Fisker | so is every other show |
| 23:18.46 | bleeter | and, I'm a bit of a Father Ted/Black Books/IT Crowd etc. bigot anyways |
| 23:18.50 | Fisker | except it crowd maybe |
| 23:19.06 | Fisker | IT Crowd is just batshit insane |
| 23:19.19 | Fisker | like that episode with spelling contest |
| 23:19.22 | Fisker | that was fucking hilarious |
| 23:19.41 | bleeter | bit that gets me about IT Crowd is that the writer/producer ain't that IT savvy, he just knows human nature |
| 23:19.42 | mckenziemc | hey Fikser |
| 23:20.07 | Fisker | bye mckenziemc |
| 23:20.07 | Fisker | http://lenzfire.com/2012/02/entire-nvidia-kepler-series-specifications-price-release-date-43823/ |
| 23:20.08 | Fisker | enjoy |
| 23:20.10 | nicoli_s | i actually found that Key and Peele show pretty damn funny |
| 23:24.14 | Lunessa | bleeter: I like those shows too, but I also like other things; right now I'm watching all of Breaking Bad. |
| 23:24.49 | nicoli_s | im on season 3 of breaking bad |
| 23:24.58 | Lunessa | I'm into season 2. |
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| 23:34.06 | Arrowmaster | D3 needs damage meters |
| 23:35.14 | TC-Work | for vanity or to see if you are doing more/less dmg with your new weapon? |
| 23:35.25 | TC-Work | s/weapon/item/ |
| 23:36.03 | cbreak | as long as it looks good... |
| 23:37.58 | Arrowmaster | i want to know how much damage my witchdoctor really is doing, mine is doing way more damage than any of my other characters seem to |
| 23:39.05 | Arrowmaster | although i do think hes got the most powerful weapon of any of my characters, a 17.5 dps sword |
| 23:40.02 | Arrowmaster | also the servers need to stop crashing |
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| 23:42.01 | syrae | I'm never going to get a D3 invite at this rate |
| 23:42.17 | Lunessa | http://i.imgur.com/laHQx.jpg |
| 23:42.29 | syrae | Lunessa: ZOMG |
| 23:42.34 | Lunessa | baby playtipi in ficking fedoras. |
| 23:42.37 | Lunessa | BITCHES |
| 23:44.28 | syrae | Lunessa: you win! |
| 23:44.53 | Lunessa | Actually, I think WobWork wins. |
| 23:45.05 | Lunessa | I got the link from him via twitter. |
| 23:45.21 | TC-Work | i have a file thats executed command line. it takes an input name like ./Foo Bar and then displays and oputput. Whats the fastest/easiest way to frontend that with a webpage? |
| 23:45.49 | TC-Work | s/s and/s an/ |
| 23:45.52 | TC-Work | output* |
| 23:46.58 | syrae | Lunessa: that's not how it works! as long as you don't attribute a source, you can take all the credit! |
| 23:47.15 | Lunessa | ALL UR CREDIT R BELONG TO ME. |
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| 23:58.40 | WobWork | Lunessa: best internet image. EVER |
| 23:59.01 | Lunessa | Hells to the yeah, son. |
