| 00:09.36 | Shirik | Free southwest tickets: http://plane4.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ |
| 00:09.55 | Shirik | p.s. don't look at the number counting down, it's a lie |
| 00:11.48 | Thunder_Child | shady site is shady Shirik |
| 00:11.54 | Trela | Shirik: WTF? |
| 00:12.10 | Shirik | Disclaimer: I don't know if it's real, I didn't do it |
| 00:12.33 | Shirik | I hate southwest |
| 00:13.06 | Trela | http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/science_tech/free-southwest-ticket-scam-rapidly-spreading-on-facebook |
| 00:13.28 | Xuerian | totally legit |
| 00:13.32 | Shirik | huh. |
| 00:13.42 | Xuerian | Ignore that, legit |
| 00:13.47 | Trela | http://www.bangstyle.com/2011/12/free-southwest-flights-protect-yourself-from-facebooks-latest-scam/ |
| 00:14.52 | Shirik | lashings duly given to the man who gave me the link |
| 00:15.02 | Xyphoid | "if the browser bar does not contain "https://", it is a fake site that is out to use your personal information." - that's what i like to hear |
| 00:15.02 | Xuerian | Uh-huh. |
| 00:15.54 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure southwest couldn't get me to fly with them even if they offered tickets for free |
| 00:16.11 | Xuerian | arches a brow and watches Shirik dodge the fire. |
| 00:16.40 | Shirik | When you're an elite customer with united, there's not a really good reason to fly southwest |
| 00:17.02 | Xuerian | Maybe, but when you're a @ you usually should avoid linking a scam too :D |
| 00:17.17 | Shirik | well sure |
| 00:17.22 | Shirik | but I make mistakes |
| 00:17.27 | Shirik | EDI wouldn't have |
| 00:17.41 | Xuerian | EDI is also sexier than you. :( |
| 00:18.12 | Thunder_Child | "When you're an elite customer with united, there's not a really good reason to fly southwest" Free tickets are free, thats a good enough reason for most people |
| 00:18.34 | Shirik | no |
| 00:18.40 | Shirik | free tickets result in me getting less miles with united |
| 00:18.47 | Xuerian | Which is why you're not most people |
| 00:19.01 | Thunder_Child | but you get miles to get free tickets...... |
| 00:19.13 | Shirik | no I get miles to reach elite status |
| 00:19.32 | Shirik | When I use miles it's generally just for an upgrade to first class |
| 00:25.20 | Maldivia | that was bloody marvelous! |
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| 01:43.24 | Cide | SHIRIK |
| 01:43.26 | Cide | are you in LA now |
| 01:57.49 | Thunder_Child | Cide: does he ever answer you? |
| 01:58.36 | Cide | no |
| 01:59.18 | Stanzilla | might just give up then :( |
| 02:00.50 | Thunder_Child | and Cide, did you mean the state or the city? |
| 02:01.57 | Cide | the city |
| 02:04.43 | Thunder_Child | i'm rather curious to know now as well |
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| 02:33.49 | Cide | DMF LA |
| 02:50.51 | kd3 | ah the joys of setting up family members on skype |
| 02:50.52 | kd3 | sighs |
| 02:52.58 | Thunder_Child | be smart kd3, dont do it! |
| 02:53.30 | kd3 | they don't know my personal skype account, just my professional one that I'm never signed in to |
| 02:53.38 | kd3 | so I'm not that worried about it |
| 02:54.24 | Thunder_Child | but then they are going to drop hints like "how come i never see you on skype?" and "Do you not want to talk to us?" |
| 02:55.03 | kd3 | they already know the answer to that, so I'm good there |
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| 03:51.13 | Shirik | Cide, no? |
| 03:51.17 | Shirik | why would I be in LA |
| 03:51.41 | Cide | is DMF LA not in LA |
| 03:51.44 | Shirik | http://www.wowtcg.com/tournaments/darkmoon-faire/darkmoon-faire-los-angeles-2012 |
| 03:51.47 | Shirik | Check the dates and try again |
| 03:51.58 | Cide | I asked if you were going on FL sunday |
| 03:52.02 | Cide | and you said you'd be at DMF |
| 03:52.05 | Shirik | No |
| 03:52.07 | Cide | Yes |
| 03:52.08 | Shirik | I said I would be at a tournament |
| 03:52.10 | Shirik | which I was |
| 03:52.13 | Cide | oh whatever |
| 03:53.30 | Thunder_Child | are you going to be there Shirik? |
| 03:55.11 | Shirik | yes Thunder_Child |
| 03:55.39 | Shirik | are you?! |
| 03:55.41 | Shirik | you should |
| 03:56.58 | Shirik | :( weather radio just went off |
| 03:57.08 | Shirik | winter weather advisory |
| 03:57.13 | Shirik | 3 minutes before I leave for the airport |
| 03:57.14 | Shirik | = win |
| 03:58.03 | kd3 | don't black ice off the road and die on the way to the airport now |
| 04:00.15 | Xuerian | So my alt server just got their first rag kill... and only two people got the achieve, and/or only two were published to org.. is that normal? |
| 04:01.07 | Maldivia | server first, aren't they guild achievements now ? |
| 04:01.43 | Arrowmaster | also remember you cant get server firsts if youve recently changed servers or factions |
| 04:01.52 | Xuerian | I guess. How is it announced then? |
| 04:02.33 | Maldivia | it's announced as guild name blah blah |
| 04:03.08 | Xuerian | Weird, ours were announced (player) has earned the achievement [Realm First! Ragnaros]!, twice |
| 04:03.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: i dont play, but i can stop by to have a meal with you |
| 04:03.53 | Shirik | oh you actually live around there? |
| 04:03.59 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:04.06 | Thunder_Child | i live in LA |
| 04:04.12 | Shirik | didn't know that |
| 04:05.53 | Shirik | sure we should work something out; my schedule is insanely full though we'll see what I can do |
| 04:06.16 | Shirik | because I'm one of the more experienced judges there, I get the honor of working like 12+ hour shifts |
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| 04:16.04 | Thunder_Child | why is cryptozoic whoring apple products? |
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| 04:40.54 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/lp9Kb |
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| 05:13.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i found this http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=224612 i think ill go coil hunting tomorrow and maybe i can find some glue for them |
| 05:16.34 | Dagmar | Meh. It's definitely worth a shot |
| 05:16.46 | BlackNet | is there a new raid instance in the next patch? |
| 05:16.52 | Dagmar | If you have "dust" around the caps on the motherboard tho... Might wanna just call ASUS |
| 05:18.00 | Dagmar | That guy posted a terrible pic, but the caps look kinda iffy based on their reflection |
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| 05:26.51 | Xuerian | lol Mikk |
| 05:26.52 | Xuerian | er |
| 05:26.53 | Xuerian | mikma: |
| 05:26.54 | Xuerian | .wjelrkje |
| 05:27.00 | Xuerian | tabs back into wow, "Fuck it" |
| 05:36.45 | batrick | it's incredible to me how many of you all are still doing WoW stuff |
| 05:37.04 | batrick | must be the appeal of making AddOns, for a while that was all I did :) |
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| 05:52.42 | Arrowmaster | batrick: some of us arent |
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| 05:55.13 | Fisker | why not Thunder_Child ? |
| 05:59.52 | Thunder_Child | because Fisker |
| 06:01.51 | bluspacecow | i am hungry |
| 06:01.55 | bluspacecow | *eats fisker* |
| 06:02.44 | mckenziemc1 | eats bluspacecow's keys. |
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| 06:33.09 | karl_w_w | dnt understand your pic mikma :P |
| 06:38.33 | olafski | you stopped reading halfway? |
| 06:38.49 | Cide | Shirik: hi |
| 06:39.09 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:39.18 | Cide | should come play star wars on my server |
| 06:39.29 | Shirik | should come eat pizza at my house |
| 06:39.36 | Cide | oh yes |
| 06:39.40 | Cide | I am hungry |
| 06:39.42 | bluspacecow | should come eat house at my pizza |
| 06:39.43 | batrick | HAI SHIRIK |
| 06:39.48 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:39.52 | bluspacecow | hai baldrick |
| 06:39.57 | batrick | err |
| 06:39.58 | batrick | wut |
| 06:40.00 | olafski | also making addons is not what keeps me playing wow :P |
| 06:40.29 | Shirik | on a totally random note |
| 06:40.35 | Shirik | this is how I feel about CSS almost always: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=471633533&oldid=471633498 |
| 06:40.39 | Shirik | (see edit comment) |
| 06:42.01 | Cide | true story |
| 06:42.13 | Cide | also, c++ |
| 06:45.18 | karl_w_w | oh now ive worked it out |
| 06:45.34 | karl_w_w | they make the crazy assumption girls dont play battlefield |
| 06:47.40 | Shirik | Cide: C++ is amazing |
| 06:47.43 | Shirik | stop that |
| 06:48.14 | Cide | I just said it's sometimes confusing |
| 06:48.25 | Cide | I still like it |
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| 08:23.36 | AcidWeb | http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/01/da5d5065e27696b334df29fb6557545f.jpg?1326647928 |
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| 08:59.27 | Maldivia | AcidWeb, but not till April |
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| 09:20.10 | jnwhiteh | Cide: would you have any idea what we should ask for salaries for jobs we're applying for in Stockholm? |
| 09:20.30 | jnwhiteh | the open-endedness is frightening :P |
| 09:20.35 | xanax` | hello |
| 09:20.41 | bluspacecow | one million dollars! |
| 09:20.49 | xanax` | Does Hegarol come here from time to time ? |
| 09:20.57 | jnwhiteh | ~seen Hegarol |
| 09:21.01 | purl | hegarol <~Hegarol@p50836701.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 91d 18h 49m 5s ago, saying: 'Thanks Ketho. That may help.'. |
| 09:21.03 | bluspacecow | http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sheep-shearing-pitched-as-nz-olympic-sport/story-e6frfku0-1226245649336 |
| 09:21.10 | xanax` | oh.. ok ;) |
| 09:21.13 | jnwhiteh | xanax`: he was last here 91 days ago, so no =) |
| 09:21.16 | bluspacecow | ~seen Blu's brain |
| 09:21.16 | purl | i haven't seen 'blu's brain', bluspacecow |
| 09:21.21 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 09:21.27 | bluspacecow | ~seen your brain |
| 09:21.28 | purl | bluspacecow: i haven't seen 'your brain' |
| 09:21.30 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 09:23.09 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: if it's anything like Denmark, and with a phd, you'll probably start around 50k SEK/month, but dont know the Swedish marked |
| 09:24.04 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: thanks, that helps.. people have told us between 35k and 60k SEK/month |
| 09:24.36 | bluspacecow | and don't forget |
| 09:24.38 | bluspacecow | your worth it |
| 09:24.42 | bluspacecow | giggigty giggigty |
| 09:24.43 | jnwhiteh | just trying to pll together as much infor as possible |
| 09:24.58 | Maldivia | but ofcourse, with the current financial situation and all |
| 09:25.00 | bluspacecow | forearmed is forewarned. or altenatively it means your a mutant with 4 arms |
| 09:31.56 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: started learning Swedish then ? |
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| 10:06.59 | bluspacecow_ | kk work tiems |
| 10:07.07 | mckenziemc | bye blu |
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| 10:17.15 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: tack =P |
| 10:17.23 | rtharper_ | (jnwhiteh told me you were giving us advice) |
| 10:19.46 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: I've tried to get jnwhiteh to learn Swedish with me, he isn't having any of it ;) |
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| 10:22.44 | jnwhiteh | not until I know where we're moving. |
| 10:26.25 | Cide | ohi rtharper_ |
| 10:26.25 | Maldivia | rtharper_: hehe :P |
| 10:26.41 | Cide | still picking a country huh, jnwhiteh? |
| 10:27.05 | jnwhiteh | Cide: we know where we're looking, but 'picking' means 'one of us getting a job;' |
| 10:27.14 | Cide | ah, makes sense |
| 10:27.14 | jnwhiteh | which hasn't happened yet. |
| 10:27.36 | rtharper_ | Cide: I'm at the beginning of the application process with Klarna |
| 10:27.49 | rtharper_ | was asking about what salary figures to throw around |
| 10:28.00 | Cide | Klarna, as in the bank or whatever? |
| 10:28.05 | rtharper_ | I thought 35,000 SEK was reasonable, I think I have more or less been laughed off the internet |
| 10:28.14 | rtharper_ | Cide: they're an e-commerce company |
| 10:28.24 | rtharper_ | using functional programming (Erlang) |
| 10:28.28 | Cide | hm, maybe not the same then |
| 10:28.39 | rtharper_ | I guess I should consider salaries of around 50,000 SEK? |
| 10:28.47 | Cide | haha, nice |
| 10:29.00 | rtharper_ | Does that sound reasonable to you for someone with a PhD? |
| 10:29.08 | Cide | I have no idea at all tbh |
| 10:29.13 | rtharper_ | kk |
| 10:29.19 | rtharper_ | would that be a comfortable salary in Stockholm? |
| 10:29.34 | Cide | comfortable as in? |
| 10:29.47 | rtharper_ | a flat that's not a box |
| 10:29.53 | rtharper_ | and not stressing too much over money |
| 10:29.53 | Cide | oh, definitely |
| 10:30.08 | rtharper_ | kkk |
| 10:30.14 | rtharper_ | the expat forums wer elike |
| 10:30.18 | Cide | well, I looked at figures for newly graduated MsC's in computer science from KTH |
| 10:30.24 | rtharper_ | YOU DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE STOCKHOLM IS OMG |
| 10:30.26 | Cide | and 35k is about what we get |
| 10:30.27 | rtharper_ | yeah |
| 10:30.31 | rtharper_ | that's what I thought |
| 10:30.34 | Cide | so I would wager it's way too low for phd's |
| 10:30.39 | rtharper_ | My skills are rather...specialty, as well |
| 10:30.47 | rtharper_ | haha don't go by that logic too often |
| 10:30.47 | Cide | yeah |
| 10:30.53 | rtharper_ | a post doc pas 30,000 SEK per month |
| 10:30.57 | rtharper_ | pays* |
| 10:31.38 | Cide | true I guess |
| 10:31.59 | Cide | but yeah, 50k will get you far |
| 10:32.16 | Maldivia | post-doc / universities pays less than private sector :P |
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| 10:37.55 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: Well do I know :( |
| 10:38.03 | rtharper_ | although here's a wtf |
| 10:38.20 | rtharper_ | Sweden.se and other sites market a 25% tax deduction for extremely skille dworkers |
| 10:38.22 | rtharper_ | for the first 3 years of their job |
| 10:38.27 | rtharper_ | to "help them get set up" |
| 10:38.31 | rtharper_ | however |
| 10:38.35 | rtharper_ | fine print from Skatteverket |
| 10:38.36 | rtharper_ | "Individuals granted tax relief are not expected to reside in Sweden for more than five years." |
| 10:38.53 | Cide | lol what |
| 10:39.03 | Cide | weird shit? |
| 10:39.21 | AcidWeb | http://www.moddb.com/mods/elevator-source |
| 10:39.26 | Cide | extremely skilled workers should be encouraged to stay! |
| 10:39.56 | Maldivia | There's a similar law in Denmark, to attract outside researchers etc... which is kind of finny, because it's not specific to research, so all the professional non-danish athelets in Denmark, are utilizing it :p |
| 10:42.13 | rtharper_ | Cide: They are in other ways, but that seems...odd. I thought the rationale, and some of the propaganda says, it's to "help you get set up in Sweden" |
| 10:42.42 | Cide | ... for 5years |
| 10:42.45 | rtharper_ | right |
| 10:42.54 | Cide | solid reasoning there |
| 10:42.54 | rtharper_ | I mean, it says if you are granted the tax relief |
| 10:42.58 | rtharper_ | and end up staying for more than 5 yeras |
| 10:43.01 | rtharper_ | you don' thave to pay it back |
| 10:43.02 | rtharper_ | but |
| 10:43.03 | rtharper_ | I'm unclear |
| 10:43.08 | rtharper_ | about how they justify this "belief" |
| 10:43.42 | Cide | yeah, no idea |
| 10:43.47 | rtharper_ | Ah |
| 10:43.58 | rtharper_ | The tax relief is motivated by the fact that foreign experts |
| 10:43.58 | rtharper_ | and others who live in Sweden for short periods cannot gain full |
| 10:43.58 | rtharper_ | advantage from Sweden’s social welfare and pension system |
| 10:44.19 | rtharper_ | So the idea is, you will get the benefits of the Nordic model if you're staying longer, so pay up |
| 10:44.20 | rtharper_ | =p |
| 10:45.01 | Cide | ah, I see |
| 10:45.56 | rtharper_ | Ansökans utformning <-- definitely just read this as "andskotans utforming" |
| 10:46.05 | rtharper_ | andskotans is like "jävla" in Icelandic |
| 10:46.23 | Cide | haha |
| 10:51.38 | Mikk | Out of curiosity - any specific reason you're shooting for stockholm area? |
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| 11:08.45 | Maldivia | rtharper_: there's always Copenhagen, and then stay in Malmö and commute |
| 11:09.50 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: we would seriously consider Denmark.. if there were any possibility of settling there. |
| 11:09.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure we can get Visas for Sweden to work in DK :P |
| 11:10.49 | haste | extended business trip! |
| 11:11.26 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: is it that much harder, considering you are already inside the EU? |
| 11:12.09 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: we're inside the EU, with no right to stay here after our degrees |
| 11:12.23 | Maldivia | yeah, ok |
| 11:12.48 | jnwhiteh | Similarly, we would consider Norway, but we can't become citizens there |
| 11:16.08 | Maldivia | as Americans, shouldnt be that hard in Denmark |
| 11:17.17 | jnwhiteh | We can't become citizens of Denmark either, you have to renounce your current citizenship |
| 11:17.18 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:17.30 | jnwhiteh | This leave (of the Nordic countries) Sweden, Iceland and Finland :P |
| 11:18.24 | Maldivia | ohh yeah, no dual citizenship |
| 11:18.30 | jnwhiteh | :) |
| 11:19.47 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: I *love* Copenhagen, though, btw |
| 11:20.18 | rtharper_ | Citizenship in Sweden only takes five years, and the language lets you move around the Nordic countries fairly easily |
| 11:20.29 | rtharper_ | there's nothing to day we won't be in Norway/Denmark/Iceland for a while |
| 11:21.00 | rtharper_ | but until Dansk Folkeparti's immigration policies have been laid to rest, I won't be going there without an EU passport first! ;) |
| 11:21.49 | Maldivia | we're on it... hopefully our current government can get their act together |
| 11:22.57 | rtharper_ | Yeah. It was nice to see a change at the last elections |
| 11:23.22 | rtharper_ | also, the hilarious part is most supporters of DF lived in...the countryside? With... no immigrants? |
| 11:23.41 | rtharper_ | (Same with SD, I believe, with the exception of a large group in Malmö) |
| 11:26.55 | Mikk | yes |
| 11:27.03 | Maldivia | DF also a lot of votes ftom the elderly, since it was yhe only right wing party to have just a bit of a social profile |
| 11:27.35 | Mikk | SD's social profile consist of "kick immigrants out, profit, get money for social welfare" |
| 11:28.16 | Mikk | which unfortunately some people are swallowing whole, completely ignoring how big piece of the cake our social+medical welfare system is |
| 11:28.52 | Mikk | (and blithely ignoring the fact that immigrants as a whole is a net gain for the swedish tax system) |
| 11:29.17 | Maldivia | sounds like DF in Denmark... alot |
| 11:29.31 | Mikk | yes, they've learned from the best |
| 11:31.51 | rtharper_ | Mikk: Indeed. Another problem is that the settling of refugees/asylum seekers is a *hard problem*. I think Sweden does a pretty good job, but it's easy to criticise and then turn that into "we're filling our country with Muslim terrorist gangs" |
| 11:32.15 | Mikk | quite |
| 11:32.55 | Mikk | It's also true that immigrants from a select list of countries are more likely to commit violent crimes |
| 11:33.07 | rtharper_ | Also, and I think this goes for a lot of the Norhern European countries, they have been ethnically homogenous for so long, the "it's okay to see people of a different colouring on the streetes" started a bit later |
| 11:33.31 | rtharper_ | Mikk: Yes, that is true. It's just hard to figure out *why*. |
| 11:33.38 | Mikk | Which some people interpret as "you are X times more likely to be raped by an immigrant". Ignoring the fact that swedes do that too and there's a lot more swedes, so you're still much more likely to get raped by a swede. |
| 11:34.15 | rtharper_ | LOL |
| 11:34.25 | rtharper_ | Best quote out of context of the day |
| 11:34.34 | rtharper_ | "So you're still much more likely to get raped by a Swede." |
| 11:34.42 | Mikk | :P |
| 11:35.28 | rtharper_ | The fact that the conversation is ongoing in Sweden about how best to integrate immigrants is the important part; there is no optimal solution |
| 11:35.56 | rtharper_ | my friends mum is an SFI teacher in Linköping and she says that, for refugees from e.g. Afghanistan, the whole system is still really failing them |
| 11:36.29 | Mikk | (Of course this is all also offset by the fact that immigrants from a bunch of OTHER countries are MUCH less likely to commit crimes than the average swede but hey let's ignore that too shall we.) |
| 11:37.10 | Mikk | Yes, stupid racists annoy me. |
| 11:37.48 | rtharper_ | Heheh |
| 11:37.58 | rtharper_ | Where do you live, Mikk? |
| 11:38.12 | Mikk | 550km north of stockholm, smallish city |
| 11:38.31 | rtharper_ | *whips out a map* |
| 11:38.43 | Mikk | which has it perks too, everything is within 10 minutes driving distance, and my 125 m2 house is costing me all of 3000 SEK a month |
| 11:38.51 | Mikk | excluding heating & utilities |
| 11:39.04 | rtharper_ | Umeå? |
| 11:39.07 | Mikk | Örnsköldsvik |
| 11:39.14 | rtharper_ | DAMN |
| 11:39.20 | Mikk | Close ;) |
| 11:39.20 | rtharper_ | was one city too far north =p |
| 11:39.40 | rtharper_ | Do you have a proper Norrländska dialect? |
| 11:39.45 | Mikk | Nope |
| 11:39.46 | Maldivia | population 28617 - according to wiki :p |
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| 11:39.52 | rtharper_ | aww, that's sad |
| 11:39.55 | rtharper_ | likes Swedish dialects |
| 11:40.05 | rtharper_ | their grammar is more like Icelandic and therefore digestible =p |
| 11:40.16 | rtharper_ | esp putting possessive pronouns at the end.. |
| 11:40.21 | Mikk | My dialect is very neutral. Perhaps a hint of Stockholm-ish. I blame mom. |
| 11:40.45 | Maldivia | Mikk: I can beat that - the town I live in has a population of 5547 :P |
| 11:40.55 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: where do you live?! |
| 11:41.10 | Mikk | But yeah the living situation in Umeå is different. Most expensive living:salary ratio in the country. |
| 11:41.15 | Maldivia | rtharper_: at the center of the island Fyn :P |
| 11:41.41 | Mikk | The university keeps expanding, which eats up available apartments. |
| 11:41.44 | rtharper_ | Mikk: most expensive? |
| 11:41.45 | rtharper_ | ahh |
| 11:42.05 | rtharper_ | "pronounced [ˈfyːˀn]" <--- this is why Danish is imposisble |
| 11:42.10 | Mikk | yes |
| 11:42.23 | Maldivia | what's so impossible about that? |
| 11:42.32 | Mikk | though you can usually do a fair impression by speaking swedish with a fist in your mouth |
| 11:42.37 | Mikk | ducks & runs |
| 11:42.52 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: that little super script =p |
| 11:42.56 | rtharper_ | the stød |
| 11:43.09 | Maldivia | well, it comes natural to me :P |
| 11:43.23 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: Ah, I know someone from Odense |
| 11:43.34 | Maldivia | I work in Odense, at the University there |
| 11:43.58 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: Indeed, but did you know that Danish toddlers know half the words of their Croatian counterparts before entering school =p |
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| 11:44.22 | rtharper_ | because, despite the grammatical complexity of Croatian, Danish phonology is one of the hardest to assimilate |
| 11:44.23 | rtharper_ | =p |
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| 11:44.49 | Maldivia | rtharper_: no... but does it matter if they can communicate the same :P |
| 11:44.54 | Mikk | they can't though |
| 11:44.55 | Mikk | that's the point |
| 11:44.56 | rtharper_ | (That being said, I think Danish is really cute) |
| 11:45.12 | Mikk | danish toddlers learn their own language much slower than most of the rest |
| 11:45.27 | Mikk | (there's even danish research on this, feel free to google =)) |
| 11:45.33 | rtharper_ | Yeah, it is very interesting |
| 11:45.44 | rtharper_ | the entire Danish vowel system is undergoing collapse, actually, which is fascinating |
| 11:46.07 | Maldivia | undergoing collapse... meaning? |
| 11:46.16 | Mikk | you're swallowing them, literally |
| 11:46.18 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: many vowel phonemes are merging |
| 11:46.23 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 11:46.31 | rtharper_ | because there are so many that are clustered together in Danish |
| 11:47.08 | rtharper_ | and the Danish accent doesn't exactly enunciate, there's a phonological processes (are there are in Swedish and Norwegian) that muddle everything to begin with |
| 11:47.34 | rtharper_ | a lot of phonological* |
| 11:47.36 | Maldivia | yep - that's Danish :P |
| 11:47.59 | Mikk | i watched a fairly fascinating youtube video about learning danish |
| 11:48.05 | rtharper_ | Swedish also has a lot of vowels that are hard to distinguish, but fewer than Danish, and their prosody and accent has kept them clearer |
| 11:48.12 | rtharper_ | Even in Skåne :D |
| 11:48.39 | Mikk | i don't remember how it went exactly, but it was a lot of "ok here's the word... now take the last third and throw it away" |
| 11:48.48 | rtharper_ | hahaha |
| 11:49.02 | rtharper_ | Actually, I feel like, in Danish, the middle is the missing part |
| 11:49.29 | Mikk | yeah I was conveying a general feeling =) |
| 11:49.32 | rtharper_ | "fanden" is a perfect example, since it is the same word as (and sounds remarkably like) "fan" in Swedish or "fæn" in Norwegian |
| 11:49.37 | Maldivia | well, the dialect of Fyn can brag about, that we have the only animal in the country that just comprise of a single letter: G |
| 11:49.44 | rtharper_ | hahahahah |
| 11:49.53 | rtharper_ | what is it in Standard Danish? |
| 11:50.10 | Maldivia | well, it's ged (goat), but on Fyn it's simply pronounced G |
| 11:50.16 | rtharper_ | LOL |
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| 12:10.52 | rtharper_ | Cide: will you still be living in Stockholm next year :D |
| 12:18.46 | Cide | yep! |
| 12:19.51 | rtharper_ | yay |
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| 12:59.59 | zenzio | any linuxy guys know whether there is any way to disable "extra-extended" keyboard stuff, where altgr+almost any key gives all kinds of special characters? ←þªµ for example |
| 13:00.15 | zenzio | guessing it's an X/Xfce thing |
| 13:00.21 | Maldivia | why do you want to disable that? |
| 13:00.39 | zenzio | because I never use those, and I get tired of getting the yen sign when coding |
| 13:00.39 | bluspacecow | for the lolz |
| 13:00.47 | zenzio | because I'm slow in releasing the altgr key |
| 13:01.20 | Maldivia | which reminds me - rtharper_, are you using a Scandinavian keyboard layout or something, considering you were able to write øåä etc earlier? |
| 13:05.47 | haste | zenzio: you can use xmodmap if you want to rebind it to alt or disable it |
| 13:06.34 | zenzio | haste: I'll try that, thanks |
| 13:07.21 | haste | zenzio: gnome and so on might provide a way to change it |
| 13:08.10 | zenzio | I don't think Xfce uses Gnome stuff, but also worth looking into just in case |
| 13:29.17 | Mikk | Maldivia: copypaste? =) |
| 13:33.02 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: no, I use U.S. Extended on mac |
| 13:33.14 | rtharper_ | let's me write Icelandic, Swedish, and Norwegian/Danish |
| 13:33.31 | Mikk | áéíǘ |
| 13:33.31 | rtharper_ | I mostly use it because I cannot stand the Icelandic keyboard layout |
| 13:33.40 | Mikk | wtf ǘ is that even a letter |
| 13:33.41 | rtharper_ | and it lets me do everything |
| 13:33.46 | rtharper_ | haha |
| 13:34.23 | rtharper_ | áéíóúýþðæöäø |
| 13:34.25 | rtharper_ | :D |
| 13:34.27 | Mikk | i can do "most" stuff on a swedish keyboard too... but i have yet to get it to give me a c-cedil |
| 13:34.46 | rtharper_ | that's alt-c then c for me |
| 13:35.03 | rtharper_ | æ is alt+apostrophe |
| 13:35.37 | Mikk | ¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰ |
| 13:36.02 | rtharper_ | haha |
| 13:36.13 | Mikk | ẃéŕýúíóṕáśḱĺźćǘńḿ |
| 13:36.21 | rtharper_ | ẅ <- wtf |
| 13:36.21 | Mikk | also stumped for icelandic Ds |
| 13:36.46 | rtharper_ | ðððððððð :D |
| 13:37.06 | rtharper_ | I *hate* reading ASCII Icelandic |
| 13:37.08 | Mikk | only keyboard in the world that can do a tongue-out smiley properly |
| 13:37.09 | rtharper_ | it makes my brain hurt |
| 13:37.23 | rtharper_ | yeah but they put þ where the question mark is |
| 13:37.27 | Mikk | ow |
| 13:37.51 | rtharper_ | When I was in Iceland, both Icelandic and English questions always ended in þ in IM's |
| 13:37.52 | haste | uses colemak, can do :þ |
| 13:38.02 | rtharper_ | :þ |
| 13:38.02 | Mikk | colewhut? |
| 13:38.04 | rtharper_ | :þ:þ:þ |
| 13:38.08 | rtharper_ | colemak is like dvorak lite |
| 13:38.11 | AcidWeb | Mikk: No ż or ź ? :P |
| 13:38.15 | haste | pretty much |
| 13:38.48 | Mikk | AcidWeb: no, funnily. ẑ ź is what i can do |
| 13:39.43 | Mikk | awell it covers most european languages, i'm happy |
| 13:39.47 | Mikk | could be worse |
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| 13:39.50 | Mikk | could be standard US layout |
| 13:40.05 | AcidWeb | ęóąśłżźćń <- polish ones |
| 13:40.22 | Mikk | yeah, i'm screwed for cedils. can't do them. |
| 13:40.33 | Mikk | unless i put keyboard i portuguese mode, then i can at least do the c cedil |
| 13:40.38 | haste | it could be worse -- you could be programing on scandinavian qwerty! |
| 13:40.40 | Mikk | (gf is portuguese =)) |
| 13:40.50 | rtharper_ | ã |
| 13:40.51 | rtharper_ | ñ |
| 13:40.57 | Mikk | hey i've programmed on scandinavian qwerty all my life |
| 13:41.08 | haste | I can't stand it :( |
| 13:41.13 | Mikk | ẽỹũĩõãṽñ |
| 13:41.20 | haste | äåãø˛đłúüö |
| 13:41.29 | rtharper_ | đ != d |
| 13:41.29 | rtharper_ | ð |
| 13:41.30 | rtharper_ | =p |
| 13:41.41 | rtharper_ | đ = croatian and sámi |
| 13:41.48 | haste | I have that one as well ð |
| 13:41.51 | zenzio | haste: it looks like xmodmap does what I want if I just spend a little time with it, thanks |
| 13:41.53 | haste | and ħ, whatever that is |
| 13:42.08 | rtharper_ | Maltese |
| 13:42.41 | Mikk | i'll admit to being somewhat jealous at you for knowing that because i find languages interesting |
| 13:42.44 | rtharper_ | for this sound, which I am pretty sure can trigger your gag reflex if you aren't careful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_pharyngeal_fricative |
| 13:42.47 | Mikk | but not interesting enough to study linguistics |
| 13:43.07 | rtharper_ | Mikk: I am a super ultra mega language nerd |
| 13:43.24 | rtharper_ | If I could go back and do my academic career again, I might have done philology |
| 13:43.34 | rtharper_ | and I *love* Scandinavian (Nordiska) languages |
| 13:43.41 | Mikk | okay now you lost me completely, i don't even know what philology is |
| 13:43.47 | rtharper_ | Mikk: historical linguistics? |
| 13:43.50 | haste | you have to have a really weak gag reflex then rtharper_ :P |
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| 13:43.54 | Mikk | ooooh |
| 13:44.06 | Mikk | yeah that's interesting too =) |
| 13:44.13 | rtharper_ | philology is a somewhat British/old-fashioned term |
| 13:44.18 | haste | or strong I guess |
| 13:44.26 | rtharper_ | I am actaully about to take a Sámi online course...in Norwegian... |
| 13:44.34 | rtharper_ | (it'll be fine...) |
| 13:44.37 | Mikk | haha |
| 13:44.37 | Mikk | shit |
| 13:44.48 | Mikk | yeah there's an interesting language for you |
| 13:44.56 | haste | hm, I'm barely able to read IPA now :( |
| 13:44.58 | Mikk | i don't even remember where it's rooted, if it's even known |
| 13:45.00 | haste | read/pronounce |
| 13:45.10 | rtharper_ | It's about 3,000 SEK, but the Norwegian government will pay back the money if you pass the exam |
| 13:45.24 | rtharper_ | Mikk: It's related to Finnish |
| 13:45.31 | rtharper_ | Sami/Finnish/Estonian |
| 13:45.35 | Mikk | Really? oO |
| 13:45.36 | rtharper_ | yeah |
| 13:45.43 | rtharper_ | and then, more distantly, Hungarian |
| 13:45.55 | rtharper_ | Sami is rather simplified compared to finish, though |
| 13:46.01 | rtharper_ | they have halved the number of cases |
| 13:46.18 | Mikk | "However, this view has recently been doubted by some scholars, who argue that the traditional view of a common Finno-Sami protolanguage is not as strongly supported as has been earlier assumed,[2] and that the similarities may stem from an areal influence on Sami from Finnic." |
| 13:46.28 | rtharper_ | That could be |
| 13:46.37 | rtharper_ | Although I think they share a *lot* of common vocabulary |
| 13:48.14 | rtharper_ | Mikk: Also, I think that deals with the fact Finnish and Sami may or may not have a common direct ancestor, but they are still all Uralic languages |
| 13:48.25 | Mikk | nods |
| 13:51.31 | rtharper_ | Have to get my Swedish better, though, first :D |
| 13:53.13 | Mikk | Mmmm my better half is having the same problem |
| 13:53.22 | rtharper_ | orly? |
| 13:53.29 | Mikk | In most of sweden you can get by just fine with english |
| 13:53.32 | Mikk | Not so much when you're a nurse |
| 13:53.34 | rtharper_ | I'm not finding it too hard, my Swedish has gotten a LOT better, recently |
| 13:53.45 | rtharper_ | but it does require being a bit masochistic in Sweden |
| 13:53.53 | rtharper_ | i.e. using Swedish even when it woudl be easier to use English |
| 13:53.57 | rtharper_ | and just gritting your teeth ALL THE TIME |
| 13:54.00 | rtharper_ | where is the other half from? |
| 13:54.04 | Mikk | portugal |
| 13:54.24 | rtharper_ | not exactly a related language, heh |
| 13:54.35 | Mikk | yes and no |
| 13:54.47 | Mikk | going to SFI, you realize that there's a lot of languages that are a lot less related |
| 13:54.57 | Mikk | (hi philippines, arabic, thai) |
| 13:55.00 | rtharper_ | haha I'm *sure* of that |
| 13:55.33 | rtharper_ | I think Swedish is relatively easy for a native English speaker, at least, the hardest part is your willingness to feel like a retard as you get used to the pronunciation |
| 13:55.41 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 13:55.43 | Mikk | always the case ;) |
| 13:56.00 | Mikk | actually she's benefiting from knowing both english and portuguese |
| 13:56.09 | Mikk | because there's elements of swedish grammatics that just don't exist in english |
| 13:56.11 | Mikk | but does in portuguese |
| 13:56.17 | rtharper_ | (gender) |
| 13:56.49 | Mikk | "A yellow car. The yellow car." <- same yellow |
| 13:56.56 | Mikk | "En gul bil. Den gula bilen." <- not so same |
| 13:57.01 | rtharper_ | ah yes |
| 13:57.10 | Mikk | She's already accustomed to thinking like that |
| 13:57.13 | rtharper_ | also wtf double article, not even the other Scandies get behind that |
| 13:57.21 | Mikk | ^^ |
| 13:57.23 | rtharper_ | yeah tis the same in Icelandic, luckily |
| 13:57.31 | rtharper_ | (but no double article) |
| 13:57.55 | rtharper_ | stór maður (stor man), stóri maðurinn (den store mannen) |
| 13:59.00 | Mikk | wonders if portuguese does the double article thing too... i think it does |
| 13:59.14 | Mikk | or no, i was thinking plurals |
| 14:00.11 | Maldivia | rtharper_: the biggest problem for a native English speaker, is probably all those sounds from the throat (like the R you were complaining about the other day) |
| 14:00.30 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: Haha! I can say it, I just dun't like it ;) |
| 14:00.41 | rtharper_ | (not in Swedish, at least) |
| 14:01.35 | rtharper_ | I think things like the 'd' is brød is quite hard for English speakers |
| 14:01.53 | rtharper_ | as is...all the vowels |
| 14:02.26 | Maldivia | rtharper_: in Swedish, aren't the R from the other day present in the numbres 3 and to some degree 7 ? |
| 14:02.47 | Mikk | sju? =) |
| 14:03.13 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: I was referring to how r (of any sort, really) is pronounced in Skåne |
| 14:03.32 | rtharper_ | tre/fyra would be like that in Skåne, but not in Central Sweden |
| 14:04.33 | rtharper_ | of course many people also pronounce /r/ in Swedish as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_approximant |
| 14:04.34 | Maldivia | rtharper_: might be that most Swedish I hear is from that area |
| 14:04.36 | rtharper_ | which is very cute |
| 14:04.55 | rtharper_ | Maldivia: almost certainly :D Also I know some Swedes who use it on purpose when in Denmark |
| 14:05.03 | rtharper_ | to "Danicise" the way they speak |
| 14:05.29 | Maldivia | heh |
| 14:05.59 | rtharper_ | and people from that region seem to use it even in the media when speaking what would otherwise be "rikssvenska" |
| 14:06.21 | rtharper_ | (At least on P1) |
| 14:06.31 | rtharper_ | which is what I was on about a few days ago |
| 14:07.08 | rtharper_ | (speaking of which, someone speaking like that is on P1 right now...) |
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| 14:43.51 | Maldivia | rtharper: hehe, just because you mentioned Swedish P1 before, I've been listening to it since... not really paying attention though, have an annoying bug that's bugging me :P |
| 14:43.59 | rtharper | hahah |
| 14:44.15 | rtharper | Do you understand Swedish well? |
| 14:44.25 | rtharper | I know some Danes/Swedes struggle with each other's languages |
| 14:44.42 | Maldivia | if I pay attention, I probably understand about 80-90% |
| 14:45.16 | Maldivia | but radio is harder than TV - seeing the person helps a lot |
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| 14:51.58 | rtharper | Maldivia: I totes agree. It's good practice, though. It makes me sad when Scandies resort to English to talk to each other |
| 14:56.02 | Maldivia | while listening to the radio now, I find that I have a lot easier understanding if it's a man speaking |
| 14:56.18 | Kraps | wow sexist much |
| 14:56.37 | Maldivia | :P |
| 14:56.38 | rtharper | haha |
| 14:56.54 | rtharper | That's true, though, in some languages, the difference in how men and women speak can make one easier to understand than the other |
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| 14:57.12 | Maldivia | Kraps: if you want to draw from that, that women shouldn't speak, that's on you |
| 14:57.37 | Kraps | dont deny thats what you meant |
| 14:57.37 | Ackis | Kraps: I have trouble hearing women speak FROM ALL THE WAY IN THE KITCHEN |
| 14:58.05 | Kraps | inorite |
| 14:59.18 | Maldivia | rtharper: I just have easier understanding a deeper voice it seems. There was a correspondant in Russia on the radio earlier - I had a really hard time understnading what she was saying |
| 14:59.43 | Maldivia | (and no, it isn't the Russian parts I'm refering to :P) |
| 14:59.46 | rtharper | hahah |
| 14:59.55 | rtharper | I was about to say, you speak Russian? |
| 15:00.06 | rtharper | will get his mad Danish skillz from watching Forbrydelsen |
| 15:00.14 | rtharper | I just have to make jnwhiteh watch it with me |
| 15:00.19 | Maldivia | нет :P |
| 15:01.07 | Maldivia | my German vocabulary is from TV, so :P |
| 15:01.12 | rtharper | haha |
| 15:01.50 | Maldivia | a German channel shows star trek every day I got home from school, so that's basically how I learned German |
| 15:01.54 | Maldivia | showed* |
| 15:03.12 | Maldivia | ok ok, I had lessons at school as well, but pronounciation and understanding was a good part from TV |
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| 15:07.19 | Maldivia | rtharper: btw, you should consider Norway, and make a US/Norwegian friendship flag - http://satwcomic.com/friendship-flag :P |
| 15:07.45 | rtharper | hahaha |
| 15:12.07 | rtharper | As far as flag colours go, Sweden's are rather camp |
| 15:12.11 | rtharper | bright blue and yellow |
| 15:12.13 | rtharper | wtf |
| 15:13.31 | Maldivia | they picked it by looking in the mirror, after the Danes had beaten them yet again... |
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| 16:01.48 | bluspacecow | brb |
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| 16:07.23 | xanax` | hello |
| 16:10.10 | Kraps | hey xanax` |
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| 16:15.54 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:16.06 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 16:21.05 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:24.34 | Maldivia | crosswind landings... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvLuUJFHYk |
| 16:26.51 | Shirik | aren't they fun Maldivia? :) |
| 16:27.25 | Maldivia | I don't think I've been in landings with that strong winds |
| 16:28.20 | Shirik | I prefer to fly backwards |
| 16:28.31 | Maldivia | ... in time |
| 16:28.33 | Maldivia | :) |
| 16:28.35 | Shirik | which is perfectly legal according to the laws of physics |
| 16:28.45 | Shirik | however I think it's only acceptable in a simulator :( |
| 16:29.41 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. |
| 16:29.51 | Lopeppeppy | That flying backwards would be hard on the feathers, I think. |
| 16:30.12 | Corrodias | impressive landings. |
| 16:30.25 | Shirik | on a random note |
| 16:30.27 | Shirik | that's my camera |
| 16:30.38 | Shirik | however Canon doesn't make a 1.5x extender |
| 16:30.43 | Shirik | so either he's not using Canon parts or he's lying |
| 16:30.58 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:42.04 | haste | ooh, sopa no more |
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| 16:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | For now. |
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| 16:53.32 | Fisker | too bad though |
| 16:53.39 | Fisker | reddit was planning on stfu'ing for a day |
| 16:53.49 | Fisker | hopefully moar |
| 16:55.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16574977 lololol |
| 16:55.15 | karl_w_w | rupert murdoch does not want to be a popular man does he |
| 16:56.24 | bluspacecow | karl_w_w: |
| 16:57.11 | bluspacecow | hai2u :D |
| 16:57.14 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 16:57.46 | karl_w_w | hugs bluspacecow |
| 16:57.57 | bluspacecow | \:D/ |
| 16:58.11 | bluspacecow | im not sure |
| 16:58.17 | bluspacecow | but i think he mad |
| 16:58.22 | bluspacecow | (rupert murlock) |
| 16:58.41 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:58.58 | karl_w_w | he's an old man getting angry about things he doesn't understand |
| 16:59.05 | bluspacecow | i mean rupert murwock |
| 16:59.09 | bluspacecow | murdick |
| 16:59.11 | bluspacecow | w/e |
| 17:01.49 | Fisker | slow down bluspacecow |
| 17:02.17 | Fisker | m a d ? |
| 17:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | I like murdick, personally. :) Has a ring to it. |
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| 17:03.48 | bluspacecow | MURDICK! |
| 17:03.54 | bluspacecow | fiskers super hero name! |
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| 17:21.14 | bluspacecow | kk home tiemas! |
| 17:25.43 | mikma | cide: link me again your yorsahj addon :D |
| 17:32.16 | Ackis | has anyone used/heard of logmein? |
| 17:32.23 | Ackis | https://secure.logmein.com/ |
| 17:36.29 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Some of the guys here use it. |
| 17:37.01 | Ackis | are they happy with it Torhal|work? anything negative to say? |
| 17:38.33 | Fisker | it sucks Ackis |
| 17:40.17 | Mikk | it sucks Ackis? Ackis must be happy man |
| 17:41.26 | Fisker | i doubt it |
| 17:44.59 | Torhal|work | Ackis: I haven't heard positives/negatives. Just that they use it to log into work machines from home. |
| 17:45.21 | Ackis | do I know any of them? I'd like to ask em some questions |
| 17:45.32 | Torhal|work | I just use ssh and Mac Screen-Sharing, so I don't need it myself. |
| 17:45.54 | Torhal|work | Well, one is no longer with us and the other doesn't get on IRC. |
| 17:45.55 | Torhal|work | So... |
| 17:45.56 | Torhal|work | Heh. |
| 17:45.58 | Ackis | I want to use it to play ToR on my blackberry :D |
| 17:46.05 | Ackis | Torhal|work: Chad? Kevin? |
| 17:46.08 | Torhal|work | You're sick and demented. |
| 17:46.15 | Torhal|work | Ackis: No, someone you don't know. |
| 17:46.19 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:47.15 | Mr_Rabies | i use it Ackis |
| 17:47.25 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't really update frequently enough for gaming |
| 17:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's maybe a frame per second or so |
| 17:48.30 | Mr_Rabies | you could probably play EVE online with it, that's about it |
| 17:48.56 | Mr_Rabies | or dungeons of dredmor or civ, or anything else turned-based :p |
| 17:49.03 | Mr_Rabies | turn* |
| 17:49.28 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | if it makes you feel any better i just updated ackis recipe list |
| 17:52.07 | Ackis | no, it doesn't |
| 17:52.09 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:52.26 | Torhal|work | Mr_Rabies: Did you see my shiny new Item Type filters? |
| 17:54.36 | Mr_Rabies | yes, i didn't know they were yours though |
| 17:55.12 | Mr_Rabies | man you know what's an awesome feeling |
| 17:55.38 | Mr_Rabies | when you queue up ~250 auctions the night prior and realize that it's time for the gravy train to arrive |
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| 18:00.51 | foxlit | pop quiz: what is the sum of the first k terms of a geometric series? |
| 18:03.19 | Ackis | 42 |
| 18:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | to answer your question, foxlit, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEjn5deFn9Y |
| 18:05.45 | foxlit | sigh, a pdf has more collective intelligence :( |
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| 18:06.45 | Fisker | i'm hakir proof Ackis |
| 18:07.04 | Torhal|work | brains Fisker with a hookah, |
| 18:10.01 | Fisker | don't be stalin Torhal|work |
| 18:11.06 | Torhal|work | stains Fisker's carpet with blood. |
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| 18:18.12 | pompy | http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/16/10163952-zappos-says-hacker-may-have-accessed-info-on-24-million-customers |
| 18:22.01 | Fisker | i'm going to kill you Torhal|work |
| 18:22.19 | Torhal|work | Doubtful. You lack physical form. |
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| 18:29.00 | pompy | the new XCOM game officially delayed till 2013 |
| 18:33.28 | Ackis | but the world is going to end in December :( |
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| 19:15.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what alternative Qt bittorrent clients are there, apart from transmission? |
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| 19:35.06 | Maldivia | Adys: qBittorrent? |
| 19:35.14 | Adys | simplistic one if possible |
| 19:35.39 | kd3 | if you really want simplistic... ctorrent? |
| 19:35.47 | Maldivia | rtorrent? |
| 19:35.52 | Adys | kd3: qt one |
| 19:36.08 | Adys | rtorrent is console as well isnt it? |
| 19:36.59 | A-KO | http://youtu.be/S_vVUIYOmJM < lol |
| 19:37.08 | kd3 | curses-based iirc |
| 19:37.20 | Adys | i want specifically a Qt one |
| 19:37.31 | Adys | and if possible not one as complex/advanced as utorrent and the like |
| 19:38.09 | cbreak | what's wrong with transmission? |
| 19:38.10 | Maldivia | Adys: qBittorrent, FatRat, LeechCraft |
| 19:38.22 | Maldivia | seems to be the alternatives to Transmission-qt |
| 19:38.26 | Adys | cbreak: the qt interface is getting increasingly buggy |
| 19:38.39 | Adys | and the devs seem very inactive on it |
| 19:38.48 | cbreak | Hmm. The Mac UI works nice |
| 19:38.55 | kd3 | just uses the remote UIs |
| 19:38.57 | cbreak | as does the web UI, the few times I actually used it |
| 19:39.05 | Adys | yeah the web ui's great |
| 19:39.30 | cbreak | (I wonder if that qualifies as "Cloud API") |
| 19:50.16 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:50.37 | kd3 | yes? |
| 19:54.57 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/illidan/Melesong/simple <-- best armory ever! |
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| 19:59.00 | kd3 | gack. the android sdk is gigantic |
| 19:59.37 | kd3 | winces at the long copy over 100mbit |
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| 20:01.28 | karl_w_w | back in my day the only way to transfer data was on wax cylinders |
| 20:01.38 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 20:05.37 | Ackis | not smoke signals karl_w_w? |
| 20:05.38 | Fisker | nothing compared to when we had to use time machines in order to transfer data back in the day |
| 20:05.41 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 20:05.50 | Ackis | you're mean Fisker |
| 20:05.53 | Ackis | I don't want to talk to you |
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| 20:07.23 | Fisker | i'm never mean Ackis |
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| 20:20.16 | Adys | kd3: my isp is awesome |
| 20:20.46 | Adys | they're cutting prices by 40% on 100Mb, and increasing it to 120Mb |
| 20:20.52 | Alram | dick |
| 20:20.56 | Alram | i hate you |
| 20:21.02 | Adys | I believe you |
| 20:21.04 | kd3 | gotta love actual competiton |
| 20:21.29 | Alram | i want fiber over here |
| 20:21.33 | Alram | give me some fiber Fisker |
| 20:21.33 | Adys | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2012/01/16/virgin-to-bump-50mbps-plans-up-to-120mbps-40094829/ |
| 20:21.41 | Adys | kd3: they barely have competition actually |
| 20:21.44 | Adys | they're just being awesome |
| 20:22.02 | Adys | well, BT is competing, but they're pretty shit in comparison |
| 20:22.36 | Alram | so whats the prices now |
| 20:23.07 | Alram | huh 35 pounds/month |
| 20:23.08 | Adys | 25-35gbp/month |
| 20:23.19 | Adys | depending on whether you have a phoneline |
| 20:23.28 | Alram | well actually thats about the same here |
| 20:23.43 | Alram | 45 euros/month for 100Mb |
| 20:24.11 | Adys | ill be paying 42eur for 120. |
| 20:24.12 | Alram | this is why i want to work more |
| 20:24.13 | Adys | bitcheh. |
| 20:24.14 | Alram | fiber bitches |
| 20:24.22 | Alram | need to move first |
| 20:24.31 | Adys | also they're supposedly launching 200Mb service some time this year |
| 20:24.44 | Adys | and 400Mb "before 2014" |
| 20:24.56 | Alram | i could always move to the UK |
| 20:25.06 | Adys | or, you could move to iceland |
| 20:25.10 | Adys | good country too |
| 20:25.24 | Alram | dont lie you just want me to go as far away as possible |
| 20:25.38 | Adys | don't be silly, sweetiebuns |
| 20:25.50 | Adys | I'm planning to move somewhere in scandinavia some time in the next 10 years |
| 20:25.57 | karl_w_w | mbps |
| 20:26.00 | karl_w_w | not Mb |
| 20:26.18 | Adys | if you're going to correct me, don't be wrong yourself |
| 20:26.19 | Adys | Mb/s |
| 20:26.35 | karl_w_w | Mb/s is not mbps |
| 20:26.49 | Adys | exactly, and my isp isn't offering 120 millibits per second |
| 20:27.24 | karl_w_w | that's because there's no such thing |
| 20:27.33 | Adys | yes, theres no such thing as mbps |
| 20:27.41 | Adys | not for ISPs anyway |
| 20:27.43 | karl_w_w | you can't have less than a bit |
| 20:28.30 | Adys | so? |
| 20:28.45 | Alram | wait adys you live in the uk right |
| 20:29.01 | karl_w_w | so why would you think something could mean millibit |
| 20:29.05 | Adys | karl_w_w: just because the figure is not possible does not mean it does not exist |
| 20:29.08 | Alram | why would you possibly go to that weird continent that looks like a flaccid dick? |
| 20:29.23 | Adys | Alram: Leicester, yes, why? |
| 20:30.06 | Adys | karl_w_w: one millibit cannot exist, but a "millibit" is a completely valid measure |
| 20:30.43 | Adys | if i tell you one of my files is eighty thousand millibits large, that's valid |
| 20:30.44 | Alram | thats like moving from the uk to iran |
| 20:31.01 | Adys | Alram: ..? |
| 20:31.26 | Alram | uk > scandiwhatsitcalled |
| 20:31.37 | Adys | what's wrong with scandinavia? |
| 20:31.43 | Alram | it has Fisker |
| 20:32.01 | Adys | i've had worse |
| 20:32.16 | Fisker | don't be mad Alram |
| 20:32.24 | karl_w_w | Adys: and pointless |
| 20:32.25 | Fisker | swedish king played wordfeud like a baws |
| 20:32.36 | Adys | karl_w_w: you're pointless |
| 20:32.39 | Alram | oh ok Fisker that makes it fine |
| 20:32.41 | karl_w_w | why thank you |
| 20:32.46 | Adys | karl_w_w: you're arguing that something doesn't exist because it's pointless |
| 20:32.51 | Adys | check your facts. |
| 20:32.57 | Fisker | umadski Alram ? |
| 20:33.02 | karl_w_w | I'm arguing that it doesn't exist |
| 20:33.06 | karl_w_w | you agreed with me |
| 20:33.10 | karl_w_w | end of story |
| 20:33.30 | Adys | i agreed that the unit cannot exist as less than 1/1000th |
| 20:34.29 | Adys | but that doesn't change the fact measurement in millibit is possible |
| 20:34.41 | Adys | Shirik: help me out, karl_w_w's brain is leaking out of his ears |
| 20:34.55 | karl_w_w | why measure something in a unit that cannot exist? |
| 20:35.10 | Adys | would you quit arguing *why*? |
| 20:35.17 | Adys | i dont go and argue why farenheit exists |
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| 20:35.22 | karl_w_w | im not arguing why I'm asking you a question |
| 20:35.42 | Adys | karl_w_w: it exists, that's all it does |
| 20:35.45 | bluspacecow | awwww |
| 20:35.46 | Adys | don't try to figure out *why* |
| 20:35.52 | bluspacecow | you two boys kiss and make up now |
| 20:36.00 | bluspacecow | prefarbaly in mud |
| 20:36.09 | karl_w_w | I can't make up with somebody who has no sense of reason |
| 20:36.16 | Adys | it exists because dividing a unit by prefixing it with "milli" is possible |
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| 20:36.45 | karl_w_w | your point? |
| 20:36.46 | bluspacecow | and here come the personal insults |
| 20:36.48 | Adys | the unit, standalone, is not possible, but you can still express bits in millibits |
| 20:36.55 | bluspacecow | next will be duel pistols at dawn ! |
| 20:36.59 | bluspacecow | i bet on adys! |
| 20:37.15 | karl_w_w | You keep repeating that it can exist |
| 20:37.17 | Adys | and the only reason millibits "cannot" exist is purely technical, not theoretical |
| 20:37.35 | Azelphur | My friend has an eyefinity setup, is there any way to change the FOV in WoW? |
| 20:37.43 | Adys | karl_w_w: just because a singular unit cannot exist does not mean a thousand of them cant |
| 20:37.47 | karl_w_w | no, it can't exist both technically and theoretically, the only place it does exist is in semantics |
| 20:37.57 | Fisker | lol |
| 20:38.01 | Fisker | this is pretty funny |
| 20:38.12 | Fisker | karl_w_w arguing it's semantics when he complained about semantics to begin with |
| 20:38.14 | Fisker | lolololo |
| 20:38.23 | Adys | I'm sorry, Fisker's right, you're an idiot; done with this |
| 20:38.47 | karl_w_w | I think you might actually be insane |
| 20:39.10 | nevcairiel | he is, but that doesnt make him wrong |
| 20:39.17 | karl_w_w | or so determined to be right that you'll pretty much dismiss everything I've said |
| 20:39.32 | Adys | i absolutely am, but as nevcairiel pointed out, I'm right |
| 20:39.49 | Adys | and you probably are sane, but as I pointed out, you're an idiot. also you're wrong. |
| 20:39.50 | karl_w_w | please, tell me where I said you weren't |
| 20:40.44 | Adys | i would, but as i said, i'm done with this, gnawed enough on the troll for today |
| 20:40.50 | Fisker | [21:27:24] <karl_w_w> that's because there's no such thing |
| 20:40.52 | Fisker | now shut up |
| 20:41.35 | Adys | oh wow |
| 20:41.43 | karl_w_w | I wasn't disagreeing with him when I said that Fisker |
| 20:41.47 | Fisker | shut up |
| 20:41.56 | Fisker | don't be absurdly retarded |
| 20:41.57 | Adys | virgin media is actually doubling all their offers |
| 20:42.01 | karl_w_w | he said they dont offer 120 millibits per second and I said why they weren't |
| 20:42.19 | Adys | 20mb -> 40mb, 30mb -> 60mb, 50mb and 100mb -> 120mb |
| 20:44.10 | Adys | karl_w_w: you tried to correct my Mb into mbps; mbps is not the proper unit, that's millibit per second. Mbps or Mb/s is the appropriate one. conclusion: if you're being a pedantic dick (a pedandick), don't correct others with something that's just as wrong |
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| 20:45.28 | Mikk | measures in kops |
| 20:45.30 | karl_w_w | Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't make it just wrong |
| 20:45.48 | Torhal|work | headdesks. |
| 20:45.50 | Fisker | nom nom |
| 20:45.53 | Torhal|work | This fucking channel, lately |
| 20:45.55 | Torhal|work | Jeebus |
| 20:45.57 | Fisker | circle argument is circled |
| 20:46.02 | Adys | karl_w_w: I've seen mbps before, you're the one who's wrong. |
| 20:46.24 | karl_w_w | Explain how. |
| 20:46.32 | Adys | karl_w_w: you tried to correct my Mb into mbps; mbps is not the proper unit, that's millibit per second. Mbps or Mb/s is the appropriate one. conclusion: if you're being a pedantic dick (a pedandick), don't correct others with something that's just as wrong |
| 20:46.50 | karl_w_w | you seem to have repeated yourself |
| 20:47.12 | Torhal|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_units --> A megabit per second (Mbit/s, Mb/s, or Mbps; not to be confused with mbit/s which means, literally, millibit per second) is a unit of data transfer rate equal to: |
| 20:47.20 | Adys | you could just ask an op to kick you instead of trying real hard to piss people off |
| 20:47.38 | karl_w_w | I'm not trying to piss anyone off, you seem determined to argue |
| 20:47.46 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 20:47.51 | Torhal|work | tabs back to code. |
| 20:48.00 | Adys | you are; i said multiple times i was done with this |
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| 20:48.14 | karl_w_w | so why do you keep writing? |
| 20:48.29 | Adys | so that Cairenn notices you and shows you her angry face |
| 20:48.30 | karl_w_w | also, torhal's quote says nothing of mbps |
| 20:48.51 | karl_w_w | you will perpetuate an argument in an attempt to get somebody kicked? |
| 20:49.01 | karl_w_w | are you petty or malicious? |
| 20:49.07 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: Cairenn Cairenn |
| 20:49.11 | Adys | no, I'd only do it for people like you |
| 20:49.13 | Adys | and both |
| 20:49.16 | bluspacecow | have you seen the majesty of the head crab cat ? |
| 20:49.36 | kd3 | my parents had a cat that did that |
| 20:49.40 | nevcairiel | mpbs is a fancy way of writing mb/s, and mb is a fancy way of writing mbit, so mbit/s is the same as mpbs, which torhals quote does name. :p |
| 20:49.49 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyo0_k9AEw |
| 20:50.13 | karl_w_w | yet I have only ever seen mbps used to mean megabits per second |
| 20:50.22 | karl_w_w | and regularly at that |
| 20:50.31 | nevcairiel | lowercase m is milli |
| 20:50.33 | nevcairiel | just face it! |
| 20:50.36 | Fisker | that doesn't mean it's right karl_w_w |
| 20:50.39 | karl_w_w | I don't give a toss |
| 20:50.40 | Fisker | for example |
| 20:50.43 | karl_w_w | usage > * |
| 20:50.46 | Fisker | i heard you're a huge fucking retard |
| 20:51.00 | Fisker | but that doesn't make it right just because i've only ever seen you as a huge fucking retard |
| 20:51.07 | Fisker | though in this case it actually does :) |
| 20:51.34 | Adys | hah |
| 20:51.37 | Cairenn | If you children don't settle down, I'm going to turn this channel right around and go home. |
| 20:51.39 | Adys | wikipedia confirmed blackout on the 18th |
| 20:51.48 | Alram | old Adys |
| 20:51.49 | Fisker | a datarate can be less a bit as it's an average over a specific amount of time |
| 20:51.55 | Fisker | as a data rate can be 0 |
| 20:52.04 | Fisker | it can be >0 |
| 20:52.08 | Fisker | get it now? |
| 20:52.57 | karl_w_w | I don't need to get it |
| 20:52.58 | Fisker | i still hope reddit is blackout'ing too Alram |
| 20:53.14 | karl_w_w | I know what you're saying, you seem incapable of understand what I am saying |
| 20:53.16 | Alram | they are Fisker |
| 20:53.25 | Fisker | nah we understand it |
| 20:53.26 | Fisker | you're wrong |
| 20:53.32 | nevcairiel | i hope reddit stays down |
| 20:53.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:53.36 | Fisker | you don't want to be :( |
| 20:53.38 | Fisker | sucks to be you |
| 20:53.43 | karl_w_w | I can't possibly be wrong |
| 20:54.02 | karl_w_w | if you understood what I was saying, you'd know that |
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| 20:58.01 | Ackis | 0.01¢ == 0.01$ discuss |
| 20:59.39 | kd3 | false. hopefully verizon's figured that out |
| 20:59.41 | Torhal|work | karl_w_w: Just because a bunch of folks refuse to utilize capitalization when typing does not equate to misuse being correct. |
| 20:59.48 | Fisker | but a 0.01 cent can't exist Ackis ! |
| 21:00.01 | Torhal|work | chops a penny into 10 segments. |
| 21:00.20 | Mikk | this is irc |
| 21:00.30 | Mikk | bad capitalization and unnnecessary arguments are abundant |
| 21:00.53 | Ackis | at least kd3 got the reference |
| 21:01.16 | Adys | Ackis: you know who didn't get the reference? |
| 21:01.19 | Fisker | i got it Ackis |
| 21:01.20 | Adys | People with proper ISPs |
| 21:01.25 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:01.59 | karl_w_w | Torhal|work just stop bringing it up. He said Mb, a term never used by ISPs to describe data speed, I corrected him with mbps, a term regularly used to describe data speed, and he argued and flung insults needlessly for a while to save face. That's all there is to it. |
| 21:02.07 | Fisker | Adys |
| 21:02.34 | Adys | Absolutely. |
| 21:02.43 | Fisker | what can you use on linux to fix bad sectors on a drive? |
| 21:03.05 | Ackis | Fisker: format |
| 21:03.06 | Adys | depends the state of the drive |
| 21:03.15 | Adys | fsck might salvage it |
| 21:03.18 | Adys | format *should* |
| 21:03.33 | Fisker | fsck on a raid partition? :P |
| 21:03.34 | Adys | but if it's a hardware issue you're likely fucked |
| 21:03.45 | Fisker | i'd rather not format it |
| 21:03.49 | Fisker | but i guess i have to then |
| 21:03.52 | Adys | i never dealt in raid setups |
| 21:03.56 | Adys | so i cant really help |
| 21:03.59 | Adys | Arrowmaster has i think |
| 21:04.01 | nicoli_s | i prefer to show bandwidths in the number of porns for second you can download |
| 21:04.21 | Fisker | i found some tool that supposedly can fix bad sectors (apparently by doing some low level writes around the area) |
| 21:04.24 | Fisker | but it only works in windows |
| 21:04.26 | Adys | nicoli_s: who cares, you don't need more than 18 seconds anyway |
| 21:04.27 | Adys | OOH |
| 21:04.40 | Fisker | but windows is like "lolhdd?" after a few minutes and freezes |
| 21:04.44 | Fisker | and then it works in dos |
| 21:04.57 | Fisker | but i can't get this shitty motherboard to even recognize mbr disks |
| 21:05.01 | Fisker | so no booting |
| 21:05.01 | Adys | Fisker: fsck is pretty miraculous |
| 21:05.12 | Fisker | will try ubantoo |
| 21:05.14 | Adys | also |
| 21:05.41 | Torhal|work | karl_w_w: I wasn't bringing it up again, I was responding to this: [14:53:43] <karl_w_w> I can't possibly be wrong |
| 21:05.43 | Adys | if it's just a matter of salvaging data before repartitioning, you can just write all the data to a file or something and salvage files from there |
| 21:05.44 | Torhal|work | I'll drop it now. |
| 21:05.57 | Fisker | well |
| 21:06.05 | Fisker | there should be parity to recreate it i think |
| 21:06.07 | pnorman | if it's a software raid you can try echo repair > /sys/block/mdX/md/sync_action |
| 21:06.20 | Fisker | it's not a linux raid pnorman anyway |
| 21:06.32 | Xuerian | is there a good warlock shard unitframe icon somewhere >_> |
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| 21:07.58 | Fisker | but basically i have around 4TB of shows on it :D |
| 21:08.31 | Fisker | so would like to not have to download it all again |
| 21:08.37 | Torhal|work | Xuerian: Interface\PlayerFrame\UI-WarlockShard |
| 21:08.43 | Fisker | would also like not to pay 3 times the price for the disk due to floods |
| 21:08.43 | Torhal|work | Though you'll have to SetTexCoord it |
| 21:08.49 | Adys | Fisker: how much is broken anyway? |
| 21:09.03 | Fisker | 3 sectors on harddrive 1 supposedly |
| 21:09.06 | Adys | if it's just a sector and you have a bunch of large files on it |
| 21:09.11 | Adys | well |
| 21:09.15 | Adys | that shouldnt be many files |
| 21:09.33 | Adys | as i said, fsck |
| 21:09.44 | Adys | worst that happens is the broken files get moved to lost+found and you have to re-dl them |
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| 21:15.04 | Adys | kd3: PulseAudio Ported To Android |
| 21:15.13 | Adys | now you can have horrible audio on audio-critical devices! |
| 21:15.15 | kd3 | I saw lennart mention something about that |
| 21:15.17 | kd3 | is amused |
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| 21:16.03 | Adys | kd3: now i can easily fake going through a tunnel when i want to avoid a conversation! $ start pulseaudio |
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| 21:17.19 | Fisker | what lol? |
| 21:17.28 | Jamash | I played the diablo III beta |
| 21:17.32 | Fisker | i have to allow my WIRELESS keyboard access to linux? |
| 21:17.35 | Fisker | that's gonna work out well |
| 21:18.04 | Adys | Fisker: what keyboard? |
| 21:18.10 | Adys | i never had to do that with any wireless device |
| 21:18.34 | Fisker | dinovo edge |
| 21:18.35 | Fisker | and me neither |
| 21:18.43 | Fisker | tried ubuntu before on the same setup |
| 21:18.48 | Fisker | but this time it asked me to grant access to it |
| 21:18.54 | Jamash | haxors Fisker's wireless keyboard and types rm -rf /home/fisker |
| 21:19.39 | Jamash | scroll of companion is the best new feature in DIII imo |
| 21:20.44 | Robsato | ja, dan teleport |
| 21:20.54 | Robsato | whoops |
| 21:21.57 | Elkano | and they still didn't fix BattleTag :/ |
| 21:23.32 | Adys | funny gem from #kde-devel |
| 21:23.34 | Adys | -*- markg85 wonders if the KDE desktop is ever going to be as fluent and feel "completely done" as Mac OSX... |
| 21:23.34 | Adys | <notmart> to look so smooth we need to kill off X11 first probably ;) |
| 21:23.39 | Adys | wonder if they see the irony there |
| 21:26.17 | Fisker | so what syntax am i looking for with a windows software raid and ntfs? :P |
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| 21:36.53 | Fisker | ok |
| 21:36.57 | Fisker | think this is bad :P |
| 21:37.07 | Fisker | can't run a smart self test |
| 21:37.11 | Fisker | it fails apparently |
| 21:37.39 | Cide | your hdd got... outsmarted |
| 21:37.53 | Fisker | not entirely sure how i can write to it and shit |
| 21:37.58 | Fisker | but i guess its fubar'd |
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| 21:44.23 | Adys | Fisker: no idea about syntax |
| 21:44.27 | Adys | i dont even know your setup |
| 21:44.37 | Adys | but just find your hd in /dev |
| 21:44.39 | Adys | also, uhm |
| 21:44.46 | Adys | gparted might help |
| 21:44.47 | Adys | install that |
| 21:45.17 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.25 | Ackis | I love this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9XsxQkoAe8&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:45.47 | Adys | Fisker: besides, if its a windows software raid, doesnt that mean its one partition on linux? |
| 21:48.03 | Fisker | nope |
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| 21:48.09 | Fisker | also i think i'm royally screwed D: |
| 21:48.34 | bluspacecow_ | has prince william been boning you again ? |
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| 21:48.45 | Fisker | basically i formatted the drive |
| 21:48.50 | Fisker | but since it's disk 1 |
| 21:48.52 | Fisker | hurr durrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 21:49.01 | Fisker | could remake the raid in Windows |
| 21:49.09 | Fisker | but now it thinks it's a 5-disk raid |
| 21:49.12 | Fisker | and not a 6-disk |
| 21:49.25 | batrick | owned |
| 21:49.44 | Fisker | yep |
| 21:50.47 | Ackis | I want to laugh at you Fisker but I can feel your pain :( |
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| 21:51.06 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 21:51.23 | batrick | you tell him batbot |
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| 22:11.24 | Stanzilla | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/16/building-the-next-generation-file-system-for-windows-refs.aspx |
| 22:15.41 | Jamash | WinFS part deux? |
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| 22:16.23 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 22:16.57 | Jamash | oh it's scalability and reliability |
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| 22:17.27 | Jamash | cool I guess, if they were to make the spec public which they won't |
| 22:17.47 | Xuerian | WinFS |
| 22:17.52 | Xuerian | The Emerald Dream of Windows |
| 22:17.59 | Jamash | lol |
| 22:18.18 | Jamash | hey using B+ trees for everything |
| 22:18.21 | Jamash | where have I heard that one before |
| 22:19.25 | Jamash | oh yeah reiserfs ten years ago |
| 22:19.32 | nevcairiel | ntfs already uses b |
| 22:19.36 | nevcairiel | b+ trees |
| 22:20.01 | nevcairiel | not everywhere, though |
| 22:20.02 | Torhal|work | I actually thought ReiserFS when I saw "ReFS" |
| 22:20.11 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:23.43 | Jamash | speaking of filesystems, when is btrfs supposed to be stable anyway |
| 22:24.04 | kd3 | there's talk of promoting it for f17 or f18 |
| 22:26.38 | Jamash | sorry I don't follow kernel development that closely, f17/f18 is what? |
| 22:27.05 | kd3 | fedora 17/18 |
| 22:27.10 | Jamash | pfft, fedora |
| 22:27.13 | nevcairiel | fedora jumps onto every beta bandwagon these days,t hat doesnt mean anything |
| 22:27.45 | Jamash | I mean when is it going to be stable, not when is some yahoo gonna put it in their distro |
| 22:29.48 | Jamash | 'cause I'd really like to migrate my raid1/ext4 over to btrfs but not until I can trust it not to explode |
| 22:30.34 | kd3 | probably when most of the bugs this bug is depending on are fixed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689509 |
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| 22:31.10 | Jamash | no fsck huh |
| 22:31.16 | Jamash | that seems like a not so good thing |
| 22:34.07 | Jamash | well that answers my question, "not very soon" |
| 22:35.07 | mckenziemc | hey Cairenn |
| 22:35.13 | Cairenn | hi mckenziemc |
| 22:47.23 | Ackis | hi mckenziemc |
| 22:48.29 | Ackis | hey Fisker I support SOPA, does that make you mad? |
| 22:48.36 | mckenziemc | hey Ackis |
| 22:48.54 | Torhal|work | Cairenn: Ackis just requested a kick. |
| 22:49.01 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 22:49.16 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Ackis!~Owner@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn ((Hey, when he's right, he's right)) |
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| 22:49.28 | Torhal|work | goes home. |
| 22:49.30 | mckenziemc | kicks Torhal|work's walnuts. |
| 22:49.37 | Ackis | :( |
| 22:53.02 | ccox | Ackis: expressing support for the former SOPA on the internet is like wearing rare steak at a piranha party |
| 22:53.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:54.09 | Ackis | well, it depends, is that piranha party during the dry season, and am I thrashing around like I'm getting killed? or am I just standing there like "hey I'm a steak" |
| 22:54.52 | Ackis | I just watched a piranha documentary the other day so your analogy is wasted on me |
| 22:56.46 | Xuerian | He has a point, piranhas have a overtly bad reputation due to some exhibits of more or less starved piranhas at various points in history, iirc. |
| 22:56.54 | ccox | thinks Ackis is overthinking the analogy |
| 22:57.08 | Xuerian | curses as he tabs back in to see himself 2km past the archaeology site... again |
| 22:57.38 | Ackis | the trigger for a piranha attack seems to be the "death" thrashing and not so much blood (like a shark feeding frenzy) |
| 22:57.48 | Maldivia | 2km... like you're over stranglethorn, and the site is in wetlands? |
| 22:57.49 | Xuerian | Pack mentality is a scary thing |
| 22:58.22 | Xuerian | Maldivia: Well, 2k yards. I automatically think in km =\. And I was over Thousand Needles, the site was in upper barrens |
| 22:58.37 | Maldivia | ok, so not that bad then :P |
| 22:58.43 | Xuerian | No, but annoying when I do it three times |
| 22:58.51 | Xuerian | And don't have epic flying on this char |
| 22:59.12 | Maldivia | and 2k yard would be around 1.83 km :P |
| 22:59.36 | Xuerian | :p |
| 22:59.46 | Maldivia | so only 150% speed?! |
| 23:00.11 | Xuerian | I sense sarcasm, and I know. I remember the old ones. |
| 23:00.11 | Maldivia | atleast it's no longer 605 :) |
| 23:00.11 | mckenziemc | be glad it's not 60%, or ground-only D: |
| 23:00.14 | Maldivia | 60% |
| 23:00.20 | Xuerian | I've been around the block, guys. |
| 23:00.31 | mckenziemc | :P |
| 23:00.35 | Xuerian | Heck, I used travel form when I was too cheap to get a mount in vanilla |
| 23:00.47 | Maldivia | psh, mage blink til 60! |
| 23:00.49 | Maldivia | :P |
| 23:00.55 | Xuerian | Pretty much |
| 23:01.26 | Xuerian | Mounts at 20, epic for a hundred gold, cheap mounts. Kids have it easy these days |
| 23:01.35 | mckenziemc | i remember not having enough money for training skills : / |
| 23:01.45 | Xuerian | Rough times. |
| 23:01.48 | mckenziemc | and not knowing how to use the AH |
| 23:01.52 | Maldivia | Remember levelling a worgen during beta, and not getting a mount to I got a flying mount at 60, since ground mounts weren't flagged as worgen friendly yet :P |
| 23:01.53 | Xuerian | "Let's see.. I'll need this, this, and this.. and that'll have to wait' |
| 23:01.57 | Xyphoid | i just bootstrapped my 500g to get that azeroth flying on a fresh server on a DK, it's pretty painful herbing on the ground |
| 23:02.20 | Xuerian | Xyphoid: It's pretty painful getting herbing to L60 to begin with |
| 23:03.13 | Xuerian | TomTom Lite is awesome for archeology just for the record |
| 23:03.16 | Xyphoid | i was a bit shocked to find you get flight points for free for level-appropriate zones too |
| 23:03.19 | Xyphoid | when did that happen |
| 23:03.34 | Xuerian | 4.3 I'm guessing |
| 23:03.43 | Xuerian | Maybe .2? |
| 23:03.46 | Maldivia | 4.0 |
| 23:03.49 | Xuerian | Really? |
| 23:03.55 | Xuerian | I don't remember getting it on cata release |
| 23:04.10 | Xuerian | Or does it not apply to cata areas? |
| 23:04.11 | mckenziemc | me either |
| 23:04.36 | Maldivia | think it's only level 1-60 zones |
| 23:04.40 | Xyphoid | i don't recall it on lowbies at cata release either |
| 23:05.23 | Xuerian | google> So, in patch 4.2 flight points were changed to auto-unlock based on level. Sou[..] |
| 23:05.39 | Xuerian | It's based on level apparently |
| 23:06.01 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 23:06.11 | mckenziemc | and you can still grab extra fligth paths :D |
| 23:06.12 | Xuerian | I mean it's nice but "BACK IN MY DAY" etc |
| 23:06.23 | mckenziemc | before you've reached the right level |
| 23:06.26 | Xuerian | uphill both ways to ironforge etc |
| 23:07.30 | Dark_Elf | i remember use to have to get the flightmaster to get them, now they are available from beginning for coinage |
| 23:07.53 | Xuerian | You don't have to pay to unlock them. Just to fly. |
| 23:08.05 | Dark_Elf | yeah to fly i mean |
| 23:08.11 | Xuerian | Which reminds me of when you had to manually do each point in the route, before the addon that did it, before they added it to the game |
| 23:08.26 | Dark_Elf | yeah thats what i meant |
| 23:08.28 | Xyphoid | oh god |
| 23:08.43 | Xyphoid | remember doing org -> blackrock mountain |
| 23:08.49 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 23:09.10 | Xuerian | Blackrock Mountain, the asscrack of nowhere |
| 23:09.14 | Dark_Elf | i just wish blizz would fix some of their flight routes |
| 23:09.32 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: I wish they'd fix the haunted momento flipping your camera constantly on flight paths |
| 23:09.37 | Xuerian | just started recently |
| 23:10.09 | Dark_Elf | i was in hillsbrand and darn thing flew to light sepulcher then undercity, i was thinking why dont they just skip that and just fly to undercity |
| 23:10.56 | Xuerian | Because that would shorten the time it took to level. |
| 23:12.11 | Dark_Elf | they already shortened it in cata |
| 23:12.46 | Dark_Elf | i did first 20 levels in like 16 hours |
| 23:13.15 | Xyphoid | i finally did the new wailing caverns last night |
| 23:13.34 | Xuerian | It's new? |
| 23:13.44 | Xyphoid | they cut half of it |
| 23:14.15 | Xuerian | Oh, I guess I didn't pay attention.. Thinking back, there were less of the caves of "WHERE THE FUCK AM I" |
| 23:15.00 | Xyphoid | it's a bit sad, the entire east half is just a spiral upwards to the boss |
| 23:15.06 | Xyphoid | skum just hangs out with the turtle |
| 23:15.32 | Xuerian | Yeah =\ |
| 23:15.40 | Xyphoid | at least they kept the jump |
| 23:15.43 | mckenziemc | to be honest i think the spiral is still too long >.> |
| 23:16.03 | Xuerian | The instance never flowed well to begin with |
| 23:16.06 | mckenziemc | might just be because it's a long distance with no boss ie. putting one in the middle might've helped that |
| 23:16.22 | Xyphoid | maybe they could add an escalator to the spiral |
| 23:16.31 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 23:16.56 | mckenziemc | i used to know my way around the old WC |
| 23:17.11 | Xuerian | I did. The amount of trash was pretty atrocious |
| 23:17.23 | mckenziemc | didn't think it was that bad, which is why i'm wondering if the boss spacing is why i don't like it now |
| 23:17.33 | mckenziemc | @my comment about the distance |
| 23:21.09 | Dark_Elf | is that the one in barrens? |
| 23:21.15 | mckenziemc | i didn't know about the escort till lfg came out though >.> |
| 23:21.16 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 23:21.51 | Xuerian | Heh |
| 23:21.57 | Xuerian | A lot of runs skipped it in classic |
| 23:22.00 | Dark_Elf | oh gosh there is a big bad ass at end near boss took 3 of us to kill it |
| 23:22.06 | Xuerian | .. usually because they never made it past the elemental.. |
| 23:22.52 | Xyphoid | i do like that the tauren acolyte gets a name! |
| 23:44.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Chris@ip98-165-254-25.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:49.22 | Xuerian | You know I bet Ghostcrawler is slowly getting eaten away by whoever is pressing for easier "heroic" content in the food chain |
| 23:49.43 | Xuerian | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2053469 > "We want groups to communicate and strategize. And by extension, we want you to celebrate when you win instead of it being a foregone conclusion." lolol. |
| 23:51.18 | Xuerian | "Ultimately, we dont want to give undergeared or unorganized groups a near guaranteed chance of success, because then the content will feel absolutely trivial for players in appropriate gear who communicate, cooperate, and strategize." ... If this was a year ago, and MoP heroics are supposed to be getting EASIER.. and this is already happening NOW... |
| 23:51.20 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 23:53.56 | Xuerian | There needs to be a CoT dungeon that's BC heroic shattered halls, with gear levels adjusted automatically.. and you can't raid until you complete it. |
| 23:54.14 | Xuerian | .. Well that's a little harsh but bah |
| 23:54.14 | kd3 | winces |
| 23:54.33 | kd3 | ran shattered halls entirely too many times to get guildies attuned |
| 23:55.17 | Xuerian | It'd still be easier than it was, we've got more CC |
| 23:55.40 | Torhal | And nobody knows how to use it nowdays. |
| 23:55.53 | Arrowmaster | meh i did the gauntlet back before you could do TK |
| 23:55.54 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/23vNW.jpg |
| 23:56.07 | Arrowmaster | adjust the gear level to heroic only gear and let them try it |
| 23:57.11 | Xuerian | Torhal: Yeah.. Sigh. I miss having to seduce mobs in H-MT |
| 23:57.21 | Xuerian | Seduce, fear, and banish iirc actually o_0 |
| 23:57.23 | Torhal | I remember tanks having to take armor of to hold threat in SH. |
| 23:57.30 | Torhal | s/of/off/ |
| 23:58.11 | Arrowmaster | i only remember that later in TBC |
| 23:59.02 | Arrowmaster | early it was more about having 1 healer good enough to keep everybody alive and the tank good enough to hold aggro on everything at once |
