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| 00:25.26 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 00:26.43 | Xuerian | If I open TortiseMerge from the commit dialog and pick "Use this block" for a change, does that change what parts I commit and keep the local modifications like git, or revert the modifications? |
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| 00:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish blizzard would make it a bit more intuitive to determine where you can stand for a backstab on some fights |
| 00:34.09 | mckenziemc1 | what fights? |
| 00:39.14 | karl_w_w | can u backstab the tendons on spine? |
| 00:42.24 | nebula169 | pretty sure any fight where you can't actually get behind removes the requirement |
| 00:53.58 | Fisker | reinstalling windows was worth it to install putty 0.62 |
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| 01:14.21 | starlon | O, Eclipse blows holes through the ocean surface and then a shark eats a dolphin. Fuck. |
| 01:15.31 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
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| 01:41.02 | Arrowmaster | ok $20 tv wallmount from monoprice is now installed, unfortunately the included screws sucked and stripped out while trying to mount it |
| 01:41.31 | Iriel | I assume the TV is fairly light? |
| 01:41.39 | Arrowmaster | its a 15" |
| 01:41.41 | Iriel | [My TV wallmount was something like $300) |
| 01:42.21 | Iriel | Did you have alternate screws |
| 01:42.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:42.36 | Iriel | Good, not gambling with gravity then 8-) |
| 01:42.52 | Arrowmaster | but one is still stuck in the wall with the head cut off |
| 01:48.32 | Dagmar | Let me guess, you tried to use threaded screws in drywall? |
| 01:48.51 | Iriel | Hm, did the threads strip out or the screwdriver hole? |
| 01:48.57 | Dagmar | Those plastic insert thingies aren't just decoration |
| 01:49.07 | Arrowmaster | the head stripped out |
| 01:49.32 | Dagmar | You're supposed to _drill_ a hole to hold the plastic carrier, and then put the screws into the plastic. |
| 01:49.43 | Arrowmaster | those plastic insert thingies arent for when you are attaching it to a wooden wall |
| 01:49.58 | Arrowmaster | they are for concreate or brick walls |
| 01:50.07 | Dagmar | They're for anything that will give you trouble putting a screw into |
| 01:50.18 | Iriel | Well, there's plastic things for drywall and for block |
| 01:50.21 | Iriel | brick even |
| 01:50.26 | Iriel | they're different tho |
| 01:50.30 | Dagmar | If you were trying to put self-threading screws into a hard wood, then again, you're supposed to start with a drill |
| 01:50.38 | Iriel | (one has a deep pitched screw thread, the other just friction) |
| 01:50.43 | Dagmar | Youo use a bit the size of the inner barrel of the screw |
| 01:50.52 | Iriel | I think the problem was more having slightly the wrong sized screwdriver head |
| 01:50.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you are supposed to mount a tv to drywall |
| 01:50.57 | Dagmar | That way the fins are the only thing that has to cut wood and it doesn't compress |
| 01:51.12 | Iriel | Indeed, you bolt the TV mount into studs |
| 01:51.31 | Iriel | Unless the TV is small and light. |
| 01:51.35 | Arrowmaster | we used a philips 2 bit, if the screws were a different size philips i would be shocked |
| 01:52.05 | Iriel | I have yet to discern much logic in manufacturer screw heads |
| 01:52.05 | Arrowmaster | since almost everything thats philips is a #2 size or smaller |
| 01:52.15 | Iriel | Perhaps they just use whatever they had the cheapest supply of |
| 01:52.28 | Dagmar | That. |
| 01:52.34 | Iriel | I've become a big fan of hex heads for anything substantial |
| 01:53.03 | Dagmar | I just buy "assorted screws" packs |
| 01:53.09 | Arrowmaster | hex strips out even quicker than other types if you dont get the perfect size bit |
| 01:53.14 | Dagmar | The kind with matching sets of plastic cuffs |
| 01:53.15 | Iriel | Though the previous owner of this house managed to strip a bunch of hex sockets on my doors |
| 01:53.16 | Iriel | yay |
| 01:53.34 | Iriel | Well yes, one does need a good collection of bits |
| 01:54.07 | Dagmar | If I catch a nanomolecular spy gnat, I have a screwdriver bit that will open it. |
| 01:54.17 | Arrowmaster | almost everything in archery uses hex screws and i wore down a couple sets of hex wrenches |
| 01:54.37 | Iriel | Suddenly the name makes more sense |
| 01:54.48 | Dagmar | I find it offensive when I get a new gadget and it dares to have screws with a bit that I don't have a match for |
| 01:55.17 | Iriel | Dagmar: look at it the other way - excuse to buy more tools! |
| 01:55.24 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
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| 02:03.45 | JerichoHM | chanserv help |
| 02:04.13 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 02:05.45 | JerichoHM | lol |
| 02:06.02 | bluspacecow | think you want /query chanserv help |
| 02:06.31 | JerichoHM | i forgot the slash yea... Some reason the channel I made all the settings changed and I wanted to set them with chanserv so they would stick |
| 02:07.02 | Shirik | So we're doing test flights soon and I asked my boss if I could go watch. His response was "Yes you shall go. I need you there in a support capacity anyway, not as an observer." |
| 02:07.04 | Shirik | /win |
| 02:07.41 | batrick | harro sir shirik |
| 02:07.46 | Shirik | hi |
| 02:11.02 | Iriel | Shirik: maybe that just means he considers you the most expendable in case of disaster? 8-) |
| 02:11.13 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:20.05 | bluspacecow | Shirik: he wants you to hold his hand if it all goes to custard |
| 02:28.07 | TC-Work | there need to be an Olympics for taking a crap. |
| 02:31.08 | Shirik | what |
| 02:31.26 | bluspacecow | POOP! |
| 02:32.33 | TC-Work | it would be nice to feel proud from time to time after what i do in there. |
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| 02:38.22 | Dagmar | That's um, something generally reserved for three-year-olds, but go right ahead. |
| 02:48.27 | batrick | you clearly don't watch south park Dagmar |
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| 03:09.54 | Dagmar | Well, if that's the case, with my diet I should have at least three purple hearts by now. |
| 03:10.26 | Dagmar | The munchies... they LIE about what an entire bag of chocolates and cheeses will do! |
| 03:13.13 | TC-Work | try Cracklin' Oat Bran and Grapenuts. |
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| 03:15.13 | kd3 | grrr |
| 03:19.14 | mckenziemc1 | hello kd3 |
| 03:19.19 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 03:20.36 | Dagmar | TC-Work: If you knew what I knew, you'd be suggesting explosives, not bran. |
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| 04:02.56 | airtonix | Shirik: do you need more fibre? |
| 04:05.44 | kd3 | I could use fiber |
| 04:05.51 | kd3 | FTTP would be beautiful right about now |
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| 04:45.02 | p3lim | Got a question about tracking cooldowns. Is there anything triggered that lets me update a cooldown display when, lets say the rogue spell Preparation is used, or reduced by the rogue talent Restless Blades? |
| 04:50.30 | Cairenn | hi mckenziemc |
| 04:51.55 | Iriel | p3lim I would hope that causes the cooldown update event to fire, otherwise the normal UI wouldn't change when that happened |
| 04:51.57 | bluspacecow | mac now has a 64 bit client to test with the latest build of the PTR |
| 04:52.34 | p3lim | Iriel: Issue is, my cooldown addon listens to that event, but it doesnt seem to fire |
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| 05:09.23 | Iriel | p3lim: I guess you could use eventtrace and then hit preparation |
| 05:09.27 | Iriel | see what events DO fire |
| 05:09.32 | bluspacecow | *eats Torhal* |
| 05:09.45 | p3lim | Iriel: Already figured it out :) |
| 05:09.53 | Torhal | peers uncertainly at bluspacecow. |
| 05:10.58 | karl_w_w | stares at Torhal |
| 05:11.20 | Torhal | recompiles karl_w_w on an 8088. |
| 05:21.04 | TC-Work | "According to NPD game sales in December were down 21 percent over the same time last year, to just $3.99 billion." i like the addition of 'just' |
| 05:22.26 | p3lim | At such high numbers, 21% is a lot! |
| 05:23.07 | Corrodias | the way NPD gets its numbers is suspect |
| 05:23.21 | Corrodias | i remember hearing that they don't count digital distribution sales at all, though that might have changed |
| 05:23.37 | Corrodias | or i might be misremembering. but it's worth asking where statistics come from. |
| 05:25.02 | TC-Work | Corrodias: "NPD said that total game spending in 2011 – including used games, game rentals, subscriptions, digital downloads, social games, mobile games and downloadable content " |
| 05:25.13 | TC-Work | http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/01/13/u-s-video-game-sales-drop-21-in-dec-off-8-for-2011/ |
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| 05:33.45 | Xuerian | That's because nothing that great came out in december... >_> |
| 05:36.16 | bluspacecow | mario kart 7 was a brilliant game |
| 05:36.20 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 05:37.07 | Xuerian | noms the shit out of some toasted onion bun burgers |
| 05:39.39 | TC-Work | Xuerian: the shit's going to come later |
| 05:40.17 | Xuerian | TC-Work: Nope, pretty plain burgers, vegetarian even (not my idea) |
| 05:40.58 | TC-Work | Xuerian: i didnt mean a special shit, i just mean normally. |
| 05:41.36 | Xuerian | TC-Work: Sure. But the metaphorical non-waste tasty shit comes first. :3 |
| 05:42.27 | karl_w_w | the big question is what % of sales in december last year was cataclysm |
| 05:43.18 | karl_w_w | 4.7 million copies sold |
| 05:44.43 | karl_w_w | well that's only $188 million :P |
| 05:45.38 | karl_w_w | 3.7% |
| 05:46.23 | bluspacecow | does anyone forsee any benefits for addons with the 64 bit client besides being able to load more of them? |
| 05:46.35 | Iriel | None whatsoever |
| 05:46.51 | Iriel | On the flip side addons will use more memory |
| 05:46.52 | Kaylin | does it change how large an integer I can store in a variable? |
| 05:47.14 | Iriel | Kaylin: no, lua uses double precision floats |
| 05:47.23 | bluspacecow | is the garbage collection better ? |
| 05:52.02 | Kaylin | what I sort of meant is |
| 05:52.34 | mckenziemc | they won't change what lua uses |
| 05:52.34 | Kaylin | will it change how large a number I can store before it loses precision for storing integers? |
| 05:52.36 | Kaylin | ok |
| 05:52.49 | mckenziemc | because then addons would see inconsistent behavior based on the clint |
| 05:52.50 | Kaylin | idk that was worded poorly too |
| 05:52.51 | mckenziemc | client |
| 05:52.53 | Kaylin | yea |
| 05:53.13 | bluspacecow | Clint , a small gnome that decides how much memory an addon uses |
| 05:53.32 | Iriel | A 64 bit client would change almost nothing visible from the client, except possibly the way table addresses display |
| 05:53.44 | Iriel | if they get longer addresses, depends on how blizzard maps memory |
| 05:54.37 | Iriel | And that data structures would use slightly more memory, since all the pointers would be longer |
| 05:55.15 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399818_10150528105542579_842102578_8953288_1242561651_n.jpg |
| 05:55.23 | Cairenn | awwwww! |
| 05:55.38 | bluspacecow | OH HAI |
| 05:58.21 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 06:11.16 | xanax` | hi |
| 06:11.21 | mckenziemc | yo |
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| 06:21.58 | airtonix | hey mckenziemc |
| 06:27.14 | mckenziemc | no airtonix |
| 06:27.29 | airtonix | any reason why? |
| 06:27.54 | Xuerian | Sigh. I wish Tribes: Ascend had proper gameplay, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY8s7X-f30 |
| 06:28.48 | Kaylin | I want you inside me. |
| 06:28.56 | Kaylin | but in all seriousness |
| 06:29.07 | Kaylin | wish I didn't feel as stressed out |
| 06:29.29 | Kaylin | this was @ xanax and was a pun since it wasn't clear @ all |
| 06:29.34 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 06:48.37 | airtonix | SWWEEEETT!!! latest skyrim update breaks y-axis on mouse. |
| 06:49.00 | airtonix | forget christmas! this is just what i've always wanted |
| 06:49.13 | airtonix | i never looked up anyway |
| 06:51.27 | bluspacecow | now you can go hump things without looking up at their faces. |
| 06:51.49 | bluspacecow | http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/epic-win-photos-troll-bumper-magnet-win.jpg |
| 06:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | Xuerian, i've played tribes since just before T2 came out and i'm still really happy with T:A |
| 06:53.48 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: The whole unlocks thing really, really puts me off. I want to hit a equip pad and get my loadout, end of story =\ |
| 06:54.43 | Mr_Rabies | so pay about $50 and you'll have everything unlocked |
| 06:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | sure you can't pick and choose specifics but it works really wel |
| 06:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | there's a reason to use just about every class because of the specialized nature of them |
| 06:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | an exception being jumper right now |
| 06:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | there were so many useless weapons and stuff in T1 |
| 06:55.50 | Xuerian | Feh. I can have that for free right now with Tribes Next and FE:L, but I guess if it's f2p maybe it'll be worth looking at before firefall. |
| 06:56.29 | Mr_Rabies | if you didn't have a light armor with an energy pack and spinfusor/cg/gl you were basically wasting your time in T1, unless you were takin' out bases |
| 06:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | in which case a heavy with mortar, GL, CG, and spinfusor |
| 06:56.56 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Well see there's the thing. I enjoyed a lot of the useless stuff. I played a lot of the more "ALL THE GUNS"-ish mods in T2, ex Meltdown with the fusion rifle, which was essentially the ceiling turret. |
| 06:57.35 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much exclusively played base when it came to combat |
| 06:57.43 | Mr_Rabies | and base++/classic in T2 |
| 06:57.55 | Xuerian | Closest I played to base was RevMod, I think |
| 06:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | the dogfight total conversion was awesome |
| 06:58.07 | Mr_Rabies | and the great tribal war owned |
| 06:58.18 | Xuerian | Construction was cool. |
| 06:58.19 | Mr_Rabies | and race mod, and construction mod |
| 06:58.22 | Mr_Rabies | but like |
| 06:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | base++ and classic were my turf |
| 06:59.00 | Xuerian | Yeah, and I know that's the most common thing for most of the rabid fans, but base was "meh" for me. The game, the ui, and the mods were what made it one of the best games ever. |
| 06:59.13 | Mr_Rabies | here's a vid made by the guy that created the best of the best series in T:A Xuerian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzg9cJXF2A |
| 07:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | hi-rez has been working really closely with the real community (read: not tribalwar) to make the game awesome |
| 07:00.22 | Mr_Rabies | they plan on adding lots of mutators to the private servers |
| 07:00.33 | Mr_Rabies | sure, you might not be able to get ultrarenegades or construction mod |
| 07:00.57 | Xuerian | Hard to do a LOT of what they did without being able to mangle all the models like T1/t2 |
| 07:00.59 | Mr_Rabies | but there's always garry's mod if you want to contstruct stuff |
| 07:01.40 | Xuerian | I mean, the spinfusor was great, but nothing topped the Mitzi Blaster for me in that game =X. Sigh. Well, that's good news I guess |
| 07:02.32 | Mr_Rabies | there's actually a reason to use every weapon more or less now |
| 07:02.42 | Mr_Rabies | that's something that none of the predecessors did in the base game |
| 07:03.10 | Mr_Rabies | the jumper's big problem is lack of mobility |
| 07:03.23 | Mr_Rabies | right now the boost pack pulls all of your energy at once more or less |
| 07:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | which doesn't really work with T:A's skiing system |
| 07:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'm addicted to the technician and brute though |
| 07:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | the brute is so much fun |
| 07:05.25 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Shrug, I guess I'll update it and give it a spin. Maybe moreso when my internet stops being shit from 3pm-midnight. |
| 07:06.01 | Mr_Rabies | they removed all the hitscan stuff and replaced it with projectiles for all the automatic weapons |
| 07:06.55 | Xuerian | I bet that and the inevitable lag compensation ruffled a few feathers |
| 07:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | not at all, pretty much everyone wanted that |
| 07:07.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's amazing |
| 07:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so much better now that it's not |
| 07:07.38 | Mr_Rabies | because of 10+ years of having projectiles |
| 07:07.39 | Xuerian | Oh? Huh. Pretty common bone to pick in the Battlefield series. |
| 07:07.46 | Arrowmaster | there was automatic hitscan weapons? |
| 07:07.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:08.06 | Arrowmaster | somehow that just seems wrong as a concept |
| 07:08.18 | Xuerian | Perhaps, but as the technology it was what to do |
| 07:08.32 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: How's the V-menu? |
| 07:08.46 | Xuerian | (#1 missed feature in all FPSes to date) |
| 07:08.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically tribes 2's |
| 07:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | VGRT, etc |
| 07:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | some stuff removed ofc |
| 07:09.05 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 07:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | "our flag is mined" |
| 07:09.11 | Mr_Rabies | no longer applies |
| 07:09.23 | Mr_Rabies | it even sounds like the same voice actor as T2 for one of the armors |
| 07:09.39 | Xuerian | Ahh, pitch slider mods and crazy voice, I will miss you |
| 07:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | and the diamond sword lady is almost definitely julia from T:V |
| 07:10.45 | Xuerian | Man, T:V had such promise. Then they added a campaign and boned the moddability =| |
| 07:12.33 | Xuerian | Also trying to find that song. |
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| 07:13.22 | p3lim | Anyone here with good knowledge of the SecureAura system that mind help me find out an issue I've been having? |
| 07:13.44 | p3lim | Scenario: I put on mainhand poison, offhand poison, mount up then dismount |
| 07:14.15 | p3lim | Case: the mount buff icon still shows, but mouseover doesnt work, as if the button doesnt exist |
| 07:14.19 | p3lim | Code: https://github.com/p3lim/Scent/blob/master/Scent.lua |
| 07:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | the worst thing is, Xuerian, if they weren't rushed by vivendi they coulda made a good campaign, that was irrational! bioshock! system shock! |
| 07:14.55 | Xuerian | Really? Argh. Publishers. |
| 07:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | the grappling hook was really fun though |
| 07:15.24 | Mr_Rabies | impossible to balance but i was so good with it for some reason |
| 07:15.24 | Xuerian | Yes, indeed it was |
| 07:15.38 | Xuerian | Heh. It made the cave level a delight |
| 07:15.41 | Mr_Rabies | i could cap on the small grassy map in less than 10 seconds |
| 07:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | just ski in, grapple the light post nearby, swing back around and cap |
| 07:16.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not ignoring you p3lim, i just don't have any means of helping you :( |
| 07:16.48 | Xuerian | It's pretty much the pariah of T1/T2 purism, but I enjoyed mods that had constructible defenses for flags that made it more a siege or subterfuge situation |
| 07:17.05 | p3lim | Mr_Rabies: Np, if you can't you can't |
| 07:17.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's 2am on the east coast of the US right now, there's generally not a ton of traffic in here nowadays |
| 07:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | chat tends to get way offtopic this late as you can see :p |
| 07:17.37 | p3lim | I'm used to it |
| 07:17.47 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay, wasn't sure how familiar you were, apologies |
| 07:18.15 | p3lim | Used to be here a lot, just havent had an irc client installed in quite some time |
| 07:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | i like the flag accessible Xuerian, relying on good chasers to get it back |
| 07:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | i hated indoor flag maps |
| 07:18.47 | Xuerian | Oh, I dislike them too. |
| 07:18.56 | Xuerian | I mean the huge maps with vehicles. |
| 07:18.56 | Mr_Rabies | but T:A has deployable forcefields from renegades |
| 07:19.27 | Mr_Rabies | you can set up a couple near the flag with a partner playing technician and wreck some stuff |
| 07:19.32 | pompy | Dead Space 1/2 on Steam for $10 total this weekend. http://store.steampowered.com/sub/8672/ |
| 07:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | if you hit an enemy forcefield you take damage based on how fast you were going |
| 07:19.48 | Xuerian | Hm. |
| 07:19.57 | Mr_Rabies | a 200+ kph ski is instant death |
| 07:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | into a forcefield |
| 07:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty much awesome |
| 07:20.30 | airtonix | i'm mad |
| 07:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | you can just be standing there waiting and drop it right infront of them |
| 07:20.37 | Mr_Rabies | and AAARG |
| 07:20.49 | Mr_Rabies | u mad, airtonix? |
| 07:21.35 | airtonix | i hate bethesda |
| 07:25.54 | p3lim | Iriel: You here? |
| 07:26.05 | Iriel | p3lim: ish |
| 07:26.41 | p3lim | I'm having issues with the SecureAura code, with weapon enchants enabled, buffs doesnt seem to disappear when they should |
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| 07:27.38 | Iriel | p3lim: I have to say that SecureAura isn't something I know intimately |
| 07:28.19 | p3lim | You're credited at the top of SecureGroupHeaders.lua, figured you had a clue about it |
| 07:29.33 | p3lim | You recon I can replace functions like SecureAuraHeader_OnEvent without stuff blowing up? |
| 07:29.52 | p3lim | Just for testing that is |
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| 07:32.32 | Xuerian | Why replace when you can hook? |
| 07:32.50 | airtonix | reported |
| 07:33.13 | Sintacks | reports airtonix to the FBI for child porn |
| 07:33.26 | airtonix | damn |
| 07:34.40 | Sintacks | lol v& |
| 07:39.54 | pompy | hm, got http://www.amazon.com 's new interface look.. maybe it went live this time or they are doing another round of testing. |
| 07:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | i had it for about half a day once |
| 07:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | i was immensly confused, moreso when it went back |
| 08:07.02 | Kaylin | 1s non eth tomb reaver |
| 08:07.02 | Kaylin | qq |
| 08:09.03 | xanax` | Cairenn : Am I supposed to receive an e-mail after changing my wowinterface password ? |
| 08:09.11 | Cairenn | yep |
| 08:09.21 | Cairenn | name on the site? |
| 08:09.41 | xanax` | i don't get anything. all I see is a redirection to : "There are no subscribed threads to display in this folder for this time period" |
| 08:12.06 | Shirik | :/ |
| 08:12.17 | Shirik | I told Siri "thanks dawg" and she told me where a kennel was |
| 08:13.06 | airtonix | Shirik: stop being blasphemous. apple products are perfect, you must be doing something wrong. stop being a hater. |
| 08:13.13 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:13.15 | Shirik | you're right |
| 08:15.14 | bluspacecow | it's his phone |
| 08:15.30 | bluspacecow | he can keep it in a kennel if he wants |
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| 08:29.10 | airtonix | bluspacecow: you wouldn't run around at night in a leather one piece outfit |
| 08:33.18 | Kaylin | like an amazon from d2? |
| 08:33.34 | airtonix | no like batman |
| 08:33.38 | airtonix | from batman |
| 08:33.47 | Kaylin | I am the batman |
| 08:33.57 | airtonix | me too |
| 08:36.23 | Sintacks | Only took 3 tickets for a GM to actually talk to me |
| 08:36.30 | Sintacks | two of them I was logged in teh whole time... |
| 08:37.11 | nevcairiel | I like how sometimes you relog onto a bank toon for 5 minutes, you log back in and you got a ingame mail from the GM how they couldnt reach you |
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| 08:37.25 | Sintacks | that shit pisses me off |
| 08:37.45 | Sintacks | I've gotten that "I'm sorry I couldn't talk to you in game" message when i've been in game the whole time." |
| 08:38.37 | nevcairiel | that message can be interpreted different ways |
| 08:38.45 | nevcairiel | maybe something prevented him from coming ingame. :p |
| 08:39.20 | Sintacks | then don't respond to that ticket and get the next one in the queue |
| 08:39.25 | Kaylin | they cannot |
| 08:39.26 | Kaylin | do that |
| 08:39.32 | Kaylin | they must reply to tickets in order |
| 08:39.32 | Sintacks | and you know this how? |
| 08:39.36 | Sintacks | bullshit |
| 08:39.38 | Kaylin | I asked |
| 08:39.56 | nevcairiel | kinda understandable, no picking the easy ones or such |
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| 08:43.28 | Sintacks | okay Kaylin, if they have to follow the queue, why can two people file identical tickets at the exact same time, one get a responce within a few minute and the other not get a responce for a day |
| 08:43.31 | Sintacks | answer that please kthx |
| 08:44.11 | Kaylin | entirely identicle? |
| 08:44.14 | Kaylin | al* |
| 08:44.33 | Sintacks | the wsame |
| 08:44.34 | Sintacks | same*( |
| 08:44.35 | Kaylin | prob use some sort of system for ticket priority based on other factors other than the current ticket content |
| 08:44.35 | Sintacks | fuck spelling |
| 08:44.37 | Sintacks | and fuck typing |
| 08:45.07 | Sintacks | okay. that's even better. two tickets, word for word the exact same, why is one answered within minutes and one not answered for several hours |
| 08:45.25 | nevcairiel | was the one player a girl? |
| 08:45.26 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:45.34 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 08:45.38 | Sintacks | she was actually |
| 08:45.46 | pompy | you can file a ticket right on the battle.net site too. |
| 08:46.17 | Kaylin | if you want to abuse the system feel free to include words like "help" or "stuck" in your ticket, I don't recommend this because if I were tracking things, I'd track abuse of keywords |
| 08:46.49 | nevcairiel | dont you always need help, and are stuck on your issue? |
| 08:46.55 | Kaylin | well yes |
| 08:47.04 | nevcairiel | just have to use them casually. :P |
| 08:47.27 | Kaylin | but if they see you're doing this every time, they might be like help! i'm stuck and don't know what to do, this guy called me a nerd in trade chat |
| 08:47.31 | nevcairiel | Hi, I need some help because i'm stuck on this issue for a while now. < go on to explain > |
| 08:47.37 | Kaylin | they might but you in a special queue |
| 08:47.40 | Kaylin | all by yourself |
| 08:47.43 | pompy | they must have a comment on my acct for all the gms to see.. "requests to restore mail too much.. dont honor if he asks again!" >< |
| 08:47.44 | pompy | lol |
| 08:47.46 | Kaylin | that never gets answered |
| 08:48.22 | nevcairiel | I certainly expect they have something like GM only comments on every account. :p |
| 08:48.55 | Kaylin | --this guy is pretending to be a girl online, it's really funny because we can see his name on his account |
| 08:49.04 | pompy | it depends on the gm too. bc one time, he'll restore it.. then it happens again and the bastard refuses to restore it.. then it happens again and he'll restore it, heh |
| 08:49.18 | nevcairiel | maybe you get one restore every x days! |
| 08:49.23 | pompy | haha maybe |
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| 08:49.36 | pnorman | How often you've restored in the past is a factor for being able to restore |
| 08:49.56 | nevcairiel | or some things are left in their rule book to their own discretion |
| 08:50.37 | Kaylin | for example they might also hate people who just make work for them reporting stupid stuff |
| 08:50.38 | Kaylin | like today |
| 08:50.45 | Kaylin | I saw this guy talking shit in trade chat |
| 08:50.48 | nevcairiel | the only time i remember really needing a GM was everytime the damn elevator in the mechanar broke |
| 08:50.52 | Kaylin | but instead of reporting it |
| 08:50.57 | nevcairiel | other then that, i wonder wtf people complain about all the time. :) |
| 08:51.01 | Kaylin | I noticed his name was a voilation of the naming policy |
| 08:51.03 | Kaylin | so I reported that |
| 08:51.19 | Kaylin | after helpfully informing him that he should not pick such character names |
| 08:52.12 | Kaylin | ugh I just wanna get 60 so I can do ancients and baal =/ |
| 08:53.34 | pompy | "Glad to hear from ya! I took a look at your ticket about getting some mail returned. i was able to restore the one mail with the un-reobtainable item in it, the headress of the first shaman. As for the rest, due to previous restorations of mail that expired, we are unable to restore the rest of the mails. :(" |
| 08:53.36 | pompy | haha |
| 08:54.01 | nevcairiel | you should really stop losing your mail |
| 08:54.26 | pompy | then he says.. |
| 08:54.28 | pompy | "Good news though, at least the rest of the mails did contain items that can you can get in the world pretty easily. :)" |
| 08:54.32 | pompy | lol |
| 08:55.48 | pompy | "I understand that you were not able to access your mail before the items expired. After investigating this for you. I was able to resend these items to you. :D" |
| 08:55.50 | pompy | yay |
| 08:56.33 | Xuerian | Only thing I think I might need to get restored is the staff the dranei priest uses in bc loading screens, the one from smv |
| 08:57.12 | Sintacks | I really hate this game sometimes |
| 08:57.20 | Xuerian | Sometimes? |
| 08:57.25 | Xuerian | Good on you, being positive |
| 08:57.31 | Sintacks | lol |
| 08:58.17 | Xuerian | I hate the fucking game. It's grindy skinnerbox shit with no depth and more noobs than I can shake my <censored> at. If I can't find a good guild and friends again, it won't be worth the packs of ramen it costs |
| 08:58.41 | Xuerian | wishes he could actually hate it.. It's hard to hate cocaine. |
| 08:58.51 | pompy | ~lart Xuerian |
| 08:58.51 | purl | puts Xuerian through a wood chipper |
| 08:58.57 | pompy | harsh |
| 08:59.10 | Sintacks | wtf |
| 08:59.48 | Xuerian | Just pretend I linked this instead of saying that: http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1326531443669.gif (SFW) |
| 08:59.55 | pompy | ~whalecrit Sintacks |
| 08:59.55 | purl | ACTION crits Sintacks with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Sintacks dies |
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| 09:04.45 | Xzempt | can anyone give me a hint what to read to return a persons name in a whisper message without having them targeted |
| 09:05.52 | Xzempt | like if i did /tell Xzempt and it changed the editbox text, how would i return the name |
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| 09:59.51 | Mikk | Xzempt: go read FrameXML code |
| 09:59.53 | Mikk | ~framexml |
| 09:59.53 | purl | somebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 10:20.13 | karl_w_w | any1 know how much damage is needed to break fiery grip? |
| 10:45.37 | zenzelezz | I always find this site very helpful; http://rfc2616.com/ |
| 10:56.46 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
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| 12:34.28 | bluspacecow | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaYPWtNvJ-A |
| 12:44.48 | Xuerian | Do I have to poll mana while in druid forms, or is there a event... |
| 12:50.14 | Maldivia | yes |
| 12:50.29 | Maldivia | :P |
| 12:57.49 | Xuerian | glares sleepily at Maldivia. |
| 13:03.51 | zenzelezz | that calls for an a-poll-ogy |
| 13:06.07 | Maldivia | heh |
| 13:10.10 | ZorbaTHut | haha what. spend three days working on a new game library, one day getting it to build. works on the first try. wtf |
| 13:21.09 | Gnarfoz | next: you'll wake up |
| 13:22.23 | Gnarfoz | bleh, 5 certs expiring soon, bunch of notification emails :D |
| 13:26.36 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 13:26.38 | Fisker | i hate nvidia |
| 13:29.01 | airtonix | i hate bethesda |
| 13:33.05 | airtonix | ZorbaTHut: i hate you too |
| 13:33.57 | ZorbaTHut | <3 |
| 13:34.14 | BlackNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.29 | BlackNet | i just put in the realm/faction transfer. fuck this dead beat realm |
| 13:38.00 | bluspacecow | no |
| 13:38.07 | bluspacecow | i dont want to have sex with your old realm |
| 13:38.08 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 13:39.00 | BlackNet | :) |
| 13:39.11 | Fisker | bluspacecow: |
| 13:39.15 | Fisker | i am you |
| 13:39.29 | BlackNet | the big part thats goign to suck ass is i loose all the argent tournament ach and have to unlock that crap again :( |
| 13:40.17 | Fisker | :) |
| 13:40.36 | BlackNet | but fuck that, rather unlock it again than another day on that realm |
| 13:45.01 | karl_w_w | BlackNet where are you going from and to? |
| 13:45.10 | BlackNet | from argyos alliance |
| 13:45.14 | BlackNet | to hyjal horde |
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| 13:45.33 | BlackNet | everything there is 1/2 to 1/3 the cost |
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| 13:45.58 | BlackNet | here |
| 13:45.59 | BlackNet | http://theunderminejournal.com/category.php?realm=A-Arygos&category=companions&arbrealm=H-Hyjal |
| 13:47.12 | BlackNet | am almost done stocking the guild bank to move it in a few days |
| 13:48.25 | karl_w_w | http://theunderminejournal.com/category.php?realm=H-Hyjal&category=companions&arbrealm=A-Frostmourne |
| 13:48.26 | karl_w_w | :) |
| 13:50.05 | BlackNet | have friends and family on hyjal |
| 13:50.59 | BlackNet | crap, reminds me. need to drop that guild group on the website to |
| 13:53.24 | bluspacecow | *slips ice down BlackNet's back* |
| 13:53.27 | bluspacecow | u hot ? |
| 13:53.40 | BlackNet | smokin |
| 13:57.23 | BlackNet | now for world of logs |
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| 14:05.17 | BlackNet | oh my |
| 14:05.19 | BlackNet | its done already |
| 14:05.33 | BlackNet | lkets see how much shit they broke in the process |
| 14:08.34 | airtonix | you have a potty mouth |
| 14:17.34 | Torhal | disintegrates airtonix's toilet. |
| 14:19.32 | airtonix | explain |
| 14:20.42 | Torhal | Sorry, that's classified information. |
| 14:20.47 | BlackNet | odd |
| 14:20.56 | BlackNet | i have 2 emails for mounts that i already have |
| 14:23.51 | airtonix | hacked |
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| 14:25.08 | BlackNet | good grief. looks like i have about every hawkstrider and raptor |
| 14:26.58 | BlackNet | i see they have not fixed the horde mount clipping issues still. |
| 14:32.45 | BlackNet | oh some of the argent stuff did move over |
| 14:37.32 | BlackNet | reset my rep to |
| 14:44.53 | airtonix | BlackNet: coolstorybro |
| 14:45.57 | bluspacecow | freezing |
| 14:45.58 | bluspacecow | brb |
| 14:46.05 | bluspacecow | *closes fisker's window* |
| 14:55.07 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 14:55.09 | Fisker | why? |
| 14:55.26 | bluspacecow | i is cold |
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| 15:20.52 | p3lim | Bringing this up again, as noone was awake last time I talked about it: I'm having issues with the SecureAura system with weapon enchants enabled, the buffs doesnt disappear when they should |
| 15:21.52 | BlackNet | secureaura? |
| 15:22.30 | p3lim | BlackNet: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/SecureGroupHeaders.lua#L595 |
| 15:25.00 | p3lim | Anyways, lets say I put on two poisons, mount up then dismount, the mount button is still showing |
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| 15:25.53 | BlackNet | not refreshing i take it or not the right event triggering it |
| 15:27.03 | p3lim | Well, it is handled by the SecureAuraHeader, so I'm just wondering if I made any mistakes that might be the cause |
| 15:27.16 | p3lim | My code: https://github.com/p3lim/Scent/blob/master/Scent.lua |
| 15:27.58 | BlackNet | OnAttributeChanged is triggered when |
| 15:28.45 | BlackNet | Run when a frame attribute is changed. |
| 15:31.19 | p3lim | All my code does is skinning them, and updating textures, timers and count |
| 15:31.29 | p3lim | the SecureAuraHeader handles the rest |
| 15:32.27 | p3lim | Well, should |
| 15:32.29 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: thers'a a known bug with that right now |
| 15:32.32 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sure if this is related |
| 15:32.34 | jnwhiteh | it was on the EU forums |
| 15:32.38 | jnwhiteh | i dont have a link at the moment. |
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| 15:33.56 | zenzelezz | somehow I never realised the Mass Effect games ran on Unreal Engine 3 :-o |
| 15:34.23 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: You know if there is a temporary fix that I could add to have it working in the meantime? |
| 15:34.49 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: and, do you remember the title of the topic on the forums? |
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| 15:41.12 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:41.14 | Fisker | imad btw |
| 15:41.27 | Fisker | you know that bug i had with recovery when trying to flash apps like cerberus and shit |
| 15:41.43 | Fisker | and like after a million days trying to solve it just gave up and figured it was my shitty old phone? |
| 15:41.46 | Fisker | Also happens on my GN |
| 15:42.01 | Fisker | so people are probably stupid as fuck and doesn't realize it's a general problem |
| 15:45.20 | bluspacecow | u mat fisker ? |
| 15:49.09 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: no, and no. |
| 15:49.34 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: Meh, ok, thanks for letting me know its not something I did wrong tho' |
| 15:49.48 | jnwhiteh | i didn't say that either :p |
| 15:50.12 | p3lim | Well, its the SecureAuraHeader that handles showing/hiding, and thats where it must have gone wrong |
| 15:50.13 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2868633701#1 |
| 15:50.22 | p3lim | Thanks |
| 15:51.22 | Fisker | not mat bluspacecow |
| 15:51.36 | bluspacecow | how about mad ? u mad ? |
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| 15:57.35 | Adys | ~seen kd3 |
| 15:57.43 | purl | kd3 <~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 51m 52s ago, saying: 'FTTP would be beautiful right about now'. |
| 15:59.04 | bluspacecow | http://failbook.failblog.org/2012/01/13/funny-facebook-fails-that-drunk/?fb_ref=newpromocopy |
| 15:59.11 | bluspacecow | Lawlz |
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| 16:17.47 | intangir | does anyone use ace3 gui? i cant seem to make it do even the most basic things |
| 16:17.54 | intangir | i want two lists of controls, side by side |
| 16:18.16 | intangir | but the two groupings, im using SimpleGroup, it puts them 1 over the other |
| 16:18.21 | intangir | instead of 1 beside the other |
| 16:18.55 | intangir | im using the "Flow" layout , which makes normal controls go side to side, but doesnt seem to work that way with SimpleGroup |
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| 16:22.42 | bluspacecow | fisker i lolzed |
| 16:22.43 | bluspacecow | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3225624691 |
| 16:22.48 | bluspacecow | "lolz linux client" |
| 16:23.19 | nevcairiel | The first reason is already wrong |
| 16:23.26 | nevcairiel | Linux, as a system, may be stable |
| 16:23.39 | nevcairiel | but the desktop environments are even more unstable then Windows. :P |
| 16:23.44 | bluspacecow | but you can still make it crash if your code does something stoopid |
| 16:23.56 | bluspacecow | like dereference a fisker |
| 16:24.03 | intangir | huh? |
| 16:24.05 | nevcairiel | Its funny how he only lists server or embedded usage |
| 16:24.17 | intangir | linux desktops arent unstable |
| 16:24.28 | nevcairiel | neither are windows desktops |
| 16:24.46 | nevcairiel | but a desktop is more unstable then a server system |
| 16:24.50 | nevcairiel | mostly because X is crap |
| 16:25.19 | BlackNet | ok this is odd |
| 16:25.32 | intangir | thats just a naked assertion.. |
| 16:25.35 | intangir | X isnt crap |
| 16:25.39 | nevcairiel | yes it is |
| 16:25.44 | nevcairiel | sadly its the only thing there is |
| 16:25.50 | BlackNet | the website says my stormwind steed converts to an org wolf, from the argent tournament. yet it looks like they gave me a silvermoon hawkstrider instead |
| 16:25.57 | intangir | seems fine to me, and has for over a decade.. |
| 16:26.04 | nevcairiel | thats part of the problem |
| 16:26.08 | intangir | actually it seems pretty badass.. |
| 16:26.14 | intangir | works across multiple machines |
| 16:26.42 | nevcairiel | when X was created, desktops still looked like windows 3.1, more or less |
| 16:26.48 | nevcairiel | its just old and full of cruft |
| 16:27.04 | intangir | and yet still perfectly suited.. |
| 16:27.12 | nevcairiel | If you want a modern desktop, it will just slow you down |
| 16:27.19 | intangir | just because something is old doesn't necessarily mean it 'is crap' |
| 16:27.26 | nevcairiel | in this case, it does |
| 16:27.33 | intangir | its not like it hasnt been updated over the years |
| 16:28.03 | nevcairiel | read up on the topic, developers of desktop environments would gladly replace it, sadly thats not an easy task |
| 16:28.05 | intangir | anyway you have NO actual evidence to put against X< your making completely baseless and unbacked unedcated assertions and i dont know why im even entertaining your ignorance attacks with response.. |
| 16:28.27 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 16:28.37 | bluspacecow | the guy's totally backpedalling on page 2 |
| 16:28.40 | nevcairiel | There is evidence, i'm just too lazy to look for it |
| 16:29.08 | intangir | evidence that some would prefer something else but dont have anything else yet |
| 16:29.13 | intangir | that doesnt mean it 'is crap' |
| 16:29.20 | intangir | it also doesnt mean window's gui layers are any better |
| 16:29.26 | intangir | winAPI is over 16 years old |
| 16:29.32 | intangir | its still the most basic level of window's gui |
| 16:29.44 | intangir | it still uses 16 bit variables |
| 16:29.50 | nevcairiel | Now you're fishing, i never said any of that. :) |
| 16:29.54 | nevcairiel | I just said X is crap |
| 16:29.59 | nevcairiel | i didnt compare it to windows or anything |
| 16:30.10 | intangir | my point is, your making a relative insult, but its not relative to anything else.. |
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| 16:30.35 | nevcairiel | being crappy is a rather absolute term. :p |
| 16:30.54 | intangir | well the absolute meaning of it, is a pile of excriment, im pretty sure thatsn ot what you meant |
| 16:31.02 | intangir | cause i doubt that would be a good graphics API |
| 16:31.07 | nevcairiel | kinda fits, though! |
| 16:31.23 | bluspacecow | throw shit at a wall! see if it sticks |
| 16:32.06 | nevcairiel | relevant: http://xkcd.com/963/ :p |
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| 16:33.07 | bluspacecow | http://xkcd.com/1001/ |
| 16:33.15 | nevcairiel | to be honest, normal users don't even notice if its crap or not, they probably blame KDE/Gnome/whatever for the issues, and mostly they're probably right. A "user friendly" distribution shouldn't expose you to X |
| 16:33.16 | bluspacecow | sex in a rotating bed. interesting ? |
| 16:34.10 | nevcairiel | Doesn't mean that its a good design or still fitting for the modern twist that window managers try to bring into it |
| 16:34.56 | intangir | i never have a problem with X |
| 16:34.57 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: doesnt look like they are having much sex |
| 16:34.59 | intangir | i had an issue with gnome3 |
| 16:35.03 | intangir | but i dont have to use it, im not using it anymore |
| 16:35.24 | intangir | ive had zero problems with gnome2.3, it works great, looks great, config is simple or unrequired |
| 16:35.59 | nevcairiel | i'm not really talking from a user perspective, i'm a developer, and thats where all my views are coming from. :) |
| 16:36.34 | intangir | well so am i |
| 16:36.38 | intangir | but i never program directly for X |
| 16:36.43 | intangir | ive used gtk, which sucks balls.. |
| 16:36.45 | intangir | and qt, which is awesome |
| 16:36.55 | intangir | and winapi, which is.. workable... |
| 16:36.56 | nevcairiel | If you had worked directly with X, you would know! |
| 16:37.15 | bluspacecow | was it … horrifying nevcairiel ? |
| 16:37.19 | intangir | well if you werent trying to program in the lowest level crap you wouldnt find it so bad |
| 16:37.20 | bluspacecow | did it traumitize you ? |
| 16:37.35 | intangir | try programming in assembly, it will be 'crap' |
| 16:37.39 | nevcairiel | someone has to write all the abstraction layers =p |
| 16:37.43 | nevcairiel | also, i like assembly! |
| 16:37.45 | intangir | but ofcourse your not supposed to be working at that level for user apps |
| 16:38.05 | kd3 | ick, asm |
| 16:38.26 | nevcairiel | try writing a window manager, you don't get to use any better APIs |
| 16:38.44 | intangir | there are already plenty of good ones for me |
| 16:38.51 | intangir | i only use Qt now, it is fantastic |
| 16:39.11 | intangir | plus whenever they replace X, Qt can handle making my app work on whatever the new thing is for me hehe |
| 16:40.10 | bluspacecow | epic troll IMHO : http://xkcd.com/440/ |
| 16:40.53 | intangir | hehe |
| 16:41.12 | nevcairiel | I hope something like wayland takes off some day to replace X, but its not like its an easy task |
| 16:41.43 | intangir | in the meantime i think ill be just fine |
| 16:42.20 | nevcairiel | the main point was that linux as a headless system may be rock stable, but putting a desktop on there exposes you to the same bugs in desktop applications that you find on windows |
| 16:42.25 | intangir | does anyone use Ace3 gui? |
| 16:47.38 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 16:55.26 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 16:55.27 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 16:55.28 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3225624691?page=2#30 |
| 16:56.10 | bluspacecow | LAWLZ fisker |
| 16:56.12 | bluspacecow | u so funny |
| 16:56.36 | Fisker | i'm mega funny |
| 16:56.54 | Fisker | i wonder if Blizzard still have that linux client internally |
| 16:57.08 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 16:57.20 | pompy | aw, shucks, http://gamerant.com/rift-decreased-subscription-fees-tao-125404/ |
| 16:57.48 | Mikk | intangir: /join #wowace |
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| 17:09.10 | Mikk | @Fisker i'd be mildly surprised if it was still working |
| 17:09.18 | Mikk | unless someone is sitting around hacking on it after hours |
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| 17:17.14 | bluspacecow | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2012/01/creative-usage-of-game-mechanics/ |
| 17:17.16 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:19.32 | airtonix | Fisker: umadbro? |
| 17:19.41 | airtonix | amd suck |
| 17:21.06 | bluspacecow | sleepy tiems |
| 17:21.19 | airtonix | you suck bluspacecow |
| 17:59.46 | Arrowmaster | i was laughing so hard at this video somebody came in to see what was so funny |
| 18:01.46 | haste | sumbag Arrowmaster, says he found something awesome -- doesn't link it |
| 18:02.01 | Arrowmaster | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIKd7zFsdkU&hd=1 |
| 18:02.22 | airtonix | lolololololol |
| 18:02.33 | haste | suddenly, bakemonogatari |
| 18:02.45 | airtonix | ok time to watch this link |
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| 18:03.31 | haste | strangely fitting |
| 18:03.47 | Arrowmaster | keep watching |
| 18:04.00 | haste | already beyond 50%! |
| 18:04.38 | haste | haha |
| 18:05.19 | airtonix | i don't find it funny |
| 18:05.39 | haste | there's a sudden twist of events at the end |
| 18:06.14 | airtonix | known as the end ? |
| 18:06.19 | haste | no |
| 18:06.25 | haste | before the mortal kombat |
| 18:06.30 | haste | Cairenn|afk: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxs3feyZn51r2anlno1_500.png |
| 18:11.36 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:11.37 | Fisker | i'm awesome |
| 18:11.49 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 18:11.51 | haste | so am I |
| 18:12.15 | Fisker | good |
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| 18:16.36 | airtonix | no Fisker |
| 18:16.42 | airtonix | i'm awesome |
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| 18:24.49 | kd3 | grr |
| 18:25.02 | kd3 | makes a note to buy another wireless adapter on the way home from work tonight... |
| 18:25.33 | Dagmar | You don't have a miniPCIe socket free? |
| 18:25.53 | kd3 | nope |
| 18:25.59 | Dagmar | Bummer |
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| 18:46.15 | Dagmar | Argh. Looks like the MInecraftCustomizer site is a testament to why you make sure your server is emitting the right caching information |
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| 18:57.34 | Fisker | what do you use the other for? |
| 18:57.35 | Fisker | SSD? |
| 18:57.59 | Fisker | trips kd3 |
| 19:00.26 | Fisker | trips Fisker so he trips kd3 once more |
| 19:01.02 | Fisker | oh god |
| 19:01.13 | Fisker | creepy dead guy from torchwood is in johnny english returns |
| 19:03.09 | Iriel | Dagmar: wow, that might be the slowest website on the internet |
| 19:03.31 | Iriel | with some of the most broken ajax filter features i've seen |
| 19:09.32 | Fisker | kinda like minecraft itself |
| 19:21.30 | karl_w_w | disenchants Fisker |
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| 19:28.05 | Iriel | karl_w_w: Fisker's a grey item, I doubt it's disenchantable |
| 19:28.13 | karl_w_w | "I preferred the wintergrasp version that was based directly within the world and not separated like an instance. I also liked it when you weren't allowed the fly there." Is this some king of ironic joke? |
| 19:28.20 | karl_w_w | kind even |
| 19:28.30 | karl_w_w | Iriel I can disenchant anything |
| 19:28.48 | karl_w_w | my enchanting rod is legendary |
| 19:28.57 | Iriel | karl_w_w: is it possible the author of that means "The Wintergrasp Version [Of Battlegrounds]" |
| 19:29.41 | Iriel | the last part makes me suspect not |
| 19:29.49 | Iriel | but i'm trying to figure out how it makes ANY sense otherwise |
| 19:29.52 | karl_w_w | unlikely, was just a comparison to TB I think |
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| 19:30.40 | nevcairiel | what does instancing make a difference. WG wasnt instanced, but they ported you out when there were too many people, didnt they? |
| 19:31.35 | karl_w_w | no you just couldnt join if it was full, and later you couldnt join if there werent enough of the other faction |
| 19:32.39 | karl_w_w | actually is that right |
| 19:32.56 | karl_w_w | was there a cap on number of players at the start |
| 19:33.41 | Arrowmaster | no cap at the start which is why it crashed servers |
| 19:34.25 | Arrowmaster | people would do shit like attackers waiting for it to start up in ice crown then all fly into the fortress from behind and just totally broke the game |
| 19:34.55 | Arrowmaster | so they did something to prevent people from randomly flying into the zone in the middle of a game |
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| 19:36.13 | karl_w_w | you can still fly in though even now :P |
| 19:36.47 | karl_w_w | it didnt work so much then because you would likely not get an invite and get ported out |
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| 19:42.37 | AcidWeb | http://aw.cap.im/20120114193658884.png Such comments make hours spend on coding worthwhile :3 |
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| 20:21.17 | foxlit | AcidWeb: and then you see them under "Automatically sells your grays to vendors" addons. |
| 20:21.46 | AcidWeb | ;p |
| 20:22.48 | foxlit | [I'd pick on something recently released, but like 70% of those entries are basically plugins] |
| 20:24.23 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13600-SpellFlash.html << ew? |
| 20:24.31 | AcidWeb | My addon for sure dont qualify to "Automatically sells your grays to vendors" group :-) |
| 20:24.43 | foxlit | the download is a txt file containing a link to curse. |
| 20:25.09 | Corrodias | web siiiiiiiiiight |
| 20:30.02 | nicoli_s | whats the point of that |
| 20:30.09 | nicoli_s | why not just host the addon on both |
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| 20:32.09 | AcidWeb | I never understand that. For some maintaining two addons pages is to much O.o |
| 20:32.27 | karl_w_w | some like jnwhiteh? :P |
| 20:33.16 | nevcairiel | I can understand not wanting to host it on multiple pages, i frequently forget to update wowi until Cairenn reminds me, however uploading a text file wiht a link in it is just mean. :P |
| 20:36.40 | Elkano | so you're the same lazy bastard as I am nevcairiel ;) |
| 20:37.01 | nevcairiel | commiting to the repository is so much easier |
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| 20:46.33 | Jamash | I have a process |
| 20:46.41 | Jamash | which is that I log into both sites and paste stuff in at the same time |
| 20:47.16 | Jamash | I'm too lazy to save myself time by setting up my curse repo to automatically pull from my wowi repo |
| 20:48.19 | Jamash | unless someone wants to point me to a step by step howto |
| 21:02.26 | p3lim | I'd like to know that too |
| 21:06.19 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'd guess he's trying to force his reward points to grow. |
| 21:06.25 | Torhal | Though that's a dick way to do it |
| 21:06.44 | nevcairiel | only curse client users push reward points |
| 21:06.57 | Torhal | I know that, you know that…but does he? |
| 21:07.25 | Torhal | If he honestly didn't want to host on both sites, he could have asked for it to be removed from WoWI. |
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| 21:17.56 | Fisker | i'm kd3 |
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| 21:18.43 | Torhal | I DO NOT BELIEVE! |
| 21:26.26 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: are you guys shutting down on the 18th? |
| 21:26.55 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I haven't been made awar of any such plans. |
| 21:26.58 | Torhal | aware* |
| 21:27.05 | nevcairiel | wth is on the 18th? |
| 21:27.16 | Arrowmaster | SOPA protest |
| 21:27.27 | nevcairiel | oh that has a date now |
| 21:27.32 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: should i burst the bubble? http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/ogr7c/should_curse_shutdown_the_18th_together_with/ |
| 21:28.06 | Torhal | I don't know if we are or notm to be honest. |
| 21:28.22 | Torhal | But wow. That guy's persistent; posted on several of our forums about the same thing. |
| 21:28.44 | Arrowmaster | at the very least do a banner |
| 21:29.15 | Torhal | That's up to San Francisco, though. Huntsville doesn't have any input on that stuff. |
| 21:29.27 | nevcairiel | i'm sure you can sneak it in, though! |
| 21:30.05 | Arrowmaster | why are you guys split up between two cities? |
| 21:30.26 | Seerah | foxlit: thanks for bringing that to our attention. I have no idea how that could have gotten approved (and it's been that way since Aug. 2010 >< ) |
| 21:30.27 | nevcairiel | the smart guys in huntsville and the guys that get money for their work in SF. :p |
| 21:34.13 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 21:34.25 | Fisker | i'm glad reddit is shutting down atleast |
| 21:34.27 | Fisker | i wish it was forever |
| 21:34.36 | nevcairiel | i still dont get why people go there |
| 21:34.58 | nevcairiel | it seems useless |
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| 22:14.27 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I'm happy being able to own a house. Even with a huge salary boost, having the developers in California would relegate most of us to renting shitty apartments for way more a month than a mortgage here. |
| 22:14.34 | Torhal | So…yeah. |
| 22:15.13 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with having everybody in huntsville? |
| 22:15.39 | Torhal | Most game companies are in CA, so meet-and-greets are easier. |
| 22:15.44 | p3lim | Hm, I added an external repo to my project on cf, why isn't the packager working? |
| 22:15.51 | Torhal | Other than that, no idea. |
| 22:17.19 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://www.curse.com/news/curse/43551-curse-takes-a-stance-on-sopa |
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| 22:18.42 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 22:18.55 | Fisker | so curse is a bunch of pirates too? |
| 22:20.27 | Dagmar | I'd think the more important things about SOPA were that there's pretty much no way to prevent abuse |
| 22:20.52 | Arrowmaster | even the DMCA is already over abused |
| 22:21.02 | Dagmar | Someone could probably get away with asking a judge to block Google if they tried |
| 22:21.59 | Dagmar | Someone needs to feed her dog less or rename him "Boldface" |
| 22:22.58 | karl_w_w | http://sopastrike.com/on-strike/ according to that facebook is in |
| 22:23.29 | karl_w_w | obviously ppl faking it |
| 22:23.39 | Dagmar | We'll see what "go dark" means to the money sites |
| 22:25.04 | Torhal | p3lim: Link? |
| 22:25.22 | p3lim | Torhal: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/molinari/repositories/mainline/packager/ |
| 22:25.45 | Torhal | And if it's Git or Mercurial, that's why. Tagging from the web page and remote repositories were really designed for Subversion, but the guy who added them…erm…didn't make sure they could only be used by such. |
| 22:26.00 | Torhal | Yah, just push to it. |
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| 22:27.22 | Torhal | Just add it as a remote so you don't have to deal with the URL every time. |
| 22:27.26 | p3lim | Torhal: Ok, though it doesnt say anywhere that its not working with git |
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| 22:27.36 | Torhal | Yeah, same with the web tagging :/ |
| 22:27.39 | Torhal | Blame ckk |
| 22:27.52 | Torhal | We'll get it fixed when other stuff is no longer taking precedence. |
| 22:27.58 | p3lim | Would be nice to have remote repo working with git tho' |
| 22:28.05 | p3lim | Cool |
| 22:28.12 | nevcairiel | remote repo with git is useless |
| 22:28.20 | nevcairiel | you can just set up git to push to 2 repos at the same time |
| 22:28.21 | nevcairiel | or 5 |
| 22:28.23 | nevcairiel | or 60 |
| 22:28.23 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 22:28.29 | p3lim | Aliases, I know that |
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| 23:35.15 | jnwhiteh | I think the remote repository was only added for my projects |
| 23:35.16 | jnwhiteh | literally |
| 23:35.26 | jnwhiteh | Kaelten threw it in to make my life easier :P |
| 23:38.01 | Torhal | Heh |
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