| 00:07.09 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/eWJeT.jpg <-pretty awesome |
| 00:11.50 | bleeter | old |
| 00:12.05 | Dagmar | Clearly we have sufficient controls in place on that system |
| 00:12.16 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/4bVaq.jpg <-also awesome |
| 00:12.25 | Fisker | also old btw bleeter |
| 00:12.34 | Fisker | so you might not want to see it |
| 00:13.01 | bleeter | cannot be unseen |
| 00:15.26 | Fisker | damnit |
| 00:15.30 | Fisker | macgyver is on |
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| 00:40.55 | airtonix | Fisker: umad? |
| 00:40.58 | Corrodias | times, they change. |
| 00:41.24 | Corrodias | that 0 was undeserved. it deserves an identical score to the previous game's. maybe a tad lower since standards tend to rise over time. |
| 00:42.50 | airtonix | Corrodias: no |
| 00:43.21 | airtonix | that 0 is what games get when the marketing manager is the only one involved with creating the new version |
| 00:43.29 | nevcairiel | If its the same game re-released, it should get a 0 just for the fact thats its the same f'ing game =P |
| 00:44.00 | Corrodias | but it IS the same game. it plays the same. scoring it low is a snarky way to say you disapprove, but it's misleading. |
| 00:44.05 | Iriel | I think the 0 is deserved if they try and pass it off as a new game for sure |
| 00:44.14 | Iriel | afterall, the sum total of "old + new" is no better than "old" alone |
| 00:44.23 | Cairenn | Wheeee, I gots a new computer! It is Intel I5 3.3 gHz, Windows 7 64bit, 8 gb ram, nvidia GTX 550 TI with 1 gb dedicated! |
| 00:44.45 | Corrodias | indeed, but if old was okay, then old + new != 0 unless new is negative |
| 00:44.57 | nevcairiel | Now you can actually play one of these games you run all these sites for? :D |
| 00:45.07 | Mikk | ~doom Cairenn |
| 00:45.07 | purl | ACTION bites off a finger, then sends Cairenn hurling down deep into the cracks of mount doom |
| 00:45.08 | Iriel | Score nevcairiel |
| 00:45.09 | Cairenn | Sabertooth P67 mother board |
| 00:45.30 | Mikk | sobs over his old 8800gtx |
| 00:45.46 | Mikk | starting to hurt now in 25m :P |
| 00:45.52 | Iriel | I have one of those…. in my old clunker spare PC. |
| 00:45.54 | Cairenn | so ... I have to get it all set up now, so adios amigos, back later |
| 00:46.04 | nevcairiel | have fun |
| 00:46.04 | mckenziemc | <- 7300 GT atm :( |
| 00:46.10 | Corrodias | later |
| 00:46.11 | mckenziemc | good card died |
| 00:47.20 | nevcairiel | i bet even my iGPU is faster then a 7300 :d |
| 00:47.30 | mckenziemc | probably |
| 00:47.53 | Arrowmaster | imcleaningmykeyboard,canyouguesswhichkeyistillneedtoputbackon? |
| 00:48.11 | mckenziemc | ooh spacebars are fun |
| 00:49.03 | Iriel | I spilled coffee on mine earlier but it appears to have weathered it well |
| 00:49.07 | Arrowmaster | think i got it back on straight this time |
| 00:52.57 | airtonix | Iriel: i bought my mum a water proof keyboard, it has holes through the body and lips around the key nipple areas... krap keyboard though |
| 00:53.15 | airtonix | sounds dodgey now |
| 00:54.34 | airtonix | and it's one of those annoying keyboards where the back space key is the same size as a character key and the print screen button is directly to the right of it... so in ubuntu constantly missing the backspace to hit print screen and get the screenshot tool popping up |
| 00:56.55 | mckenziemc | umad? |
| 00:59.53 | airtonix | OceanDerpSea |
| 01:00.05 | airtonix | nowumad? |
| 01:02.12 | Iriel | This is one of the thin apple aluminum ones, i've had to wash it off with water once, it seems to just keep on going |
| 01:07.03 | airtonix | i hate those things too |
| 01:07.20 | airtonix | pointless reduction in functionality |
| 01:07.28 | airtonix | actually increases complexity |
| 01:07.58 | airtonix | i mean wtf? delete key is actually a backspace key and to delete, you need to hold the fn key |
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| 01:53.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:53.50 | Shirik | "... the winter storm warning for the cascades has been replaced with a winter weather advisory ..." |
| 01:53.58 | Shirik | wtb more snow |
| 01:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | you can have all of ours |
| 01:59.44 | Cide | ours too |
| 02:04.56 | Shirik | I'm planning on going skiing tomorrow |
| 02:06.34 | Arrowmaster | they probably already have snow on the slopes |
| 02:06.39 | Arrowmaster | they have snow machines for that |
| 02:07.05 | Shirik | no |
| 02:07.13 | Shirik | my slopes never use snow machines because they don't need to |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | 365-days a year they're open without machines, so they don't get them because those machines produce more ice than snow |
| 02:07.46 | Shirik | but the day after a snowstorm is always awesome |
| 02:08.12 | Arrowmaster | you should take me with you, ive never been |
| 02:09.29 | Shirik | what |
| 02:09.42 | Shirik | it's illegal to live out here and not ski |
| 02:09.54 | Arrowmaster | i live in fucking ohio |
| 02:10.03 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:10.12 | Arrowmaster | i think theres maybe one ski place in the state |
| 02:10.30 | Shirik | I'm trying to think of something ohio has over other states |
| 02:10.33 | Shirik | and I can't think of anything |
| 02:10.44 | Arrowmaster | rock and roll hall of fame |
| 02:10.49 | mckenziemc | Shirik: what about leap years |
| 02:10.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:10.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:11.05 | Shirik | stabs mckenziemc |
| 02:11.26 | Shirik | wtf do I do with these 4000 justice points |
| 02:21.34 | Cide | buy ALL THE HEIRLOOMS |
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| 02:27.25 | Shirik | why cide |
| 02:27.29 | Shirik | I don't even have any alts |
| 02:27.43 | mckenziemc | make some |
| 02:27.47 | Shirik | no |
| 02:27.50 | Shirik | waste of time |
| 02:29.55 | mckenziemc | some would say that of WoW |
| 02:30.46 | Shirik | hey I've only wasted 215 days |
| 02:30.53 | Shirik | which is 8% of the past 7 years |
| 02:33.47 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:34.10 | mckenziemc | i get removed from the gruop because i'm waiting for the tank instead of going with the dps attacking the pointless mobs |
| 02:37.01 | Dagmar | MIsdirect to the "dps tank" |
| 02:37.49 | mckenziemc | hopefully the tank doesnt' get back till after they clear the few mobs left and can't figure out what's left |
| 02:37.54 | mckenziemc | and drop |
| 02:38.10 | airtonix | it's time to ROCK ON! |
| 02:38.24 | airtonix | <black stallions/> |
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| 02:41.13 | karl_w_w | Xuerian: derp? |
| 02:42.15 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: herp what |
| 02:42.30 | karl_w_w | first time I've seen derp as a changelog entry :P |
| 02:42.57 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: I'm fucking with the curse packager |
| 02:43.19 | Xuerian | we haven't yet reached a understanding |
| 02:45.46 | Dagmar | Try a reacharound |
| 02:46.46 | Xuerian | In the end I had to |
| 02:46.49 | Xuerian | Still not done |
| 02:53.05 | airtonix | sounds illegal |
| 02:56.55 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3811454640?page=3#44 |
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| 03:22.57 | mckenziemc | is it possible for a wow addon to detect when a (non modifier) key has been pressed without blocking the key from being send to its intended frame? |
| 03:23.06 | mckenziemc | i'd like to be able to record how often i use various keys |
| 03:23.32 | mckenziemc | migth be useful for arranging binds |
| 03:30.44 | airtonix | mckenziemc: i'm tired |
| 03:31.22 | mckenziemc | there're meds for that |
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| 03:34.54 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: Better changelog? |
| 03:36.48 | pompy | karl_w_w: you should see arl's changelog by torhal or ackis then ;p |
| 03:37.31 | karl_w_w | i've never seen anything odd in there :P |
| 03:37.40 | mckenziemc | i have |
| 03:37.54 | Torhal | Ackis puts some weird-ass shit in his commit messages. |
| 03:37.58 | pompy | haha |
| 03:38.03 | mckenziemc | so do you |
| 03:38.08 | Torhal | "I actually tested this time!" |
| 03:38.09 | pompy | ^ |
| 03:38.10 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 03:38.12 | pompy | lol |
| 03:38.12 | karl_w_w | asdfasdfwaeqwefqwefwefqwefqwefasdfqwefasdf meow |
| 03:38.17 | pompy | yeah that |
| 03:38.45 | Torhal | Xuerian: What project are you having issues with? |
| 03:38.51 | pompy | "Fix a herpaderp C&P mistake. Copy pasta as the wise Torhal would say." - Ackis |
| 03:39.03 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 03:39.10 | karl_w_w | And MOAR logic flips. |
| 03:39.10 | Torhal | He likes copypasta fails. |
| 03:39.22 | Torhal | Hey, I was flipping logic. I did it some MOAR. |
| 03:39.41 | Xuerian | Torhal: None, any more. After I figured out how to properly repository a library (hours of derp there) then that I had to just freaking include libstub in the lib repo, it all worked. |
| 03:39.57 | Torhal | Less derp. More coding. |
| 03:40.02 | pompy | "Moved definition for the NO_ROLE_FLAG table to the end of the file because I was tired of fucking scrolling over it to get to code." - Torhal |
| 03:40.09 | karl_w_w | Less derp, more herp/ |
| 03:40.09 | Xuerian | >Implying B excludes A |
| 03:40.37 | Torhal | pompy: Exactly. I was fucking tired of scrolling over this HUGE-ASS-TABLE you insist on keeping around to get to code which actually matters. |
| 03:40.56 | Torhal | That isn't weird. That's a commit message with a reason. |
| 03:40.57 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:41.07 | pompy | very much so sir. |
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| 04:01.14 | Arrowmaster | i got yelled at for all my best commit messages |
| 04:03.29 | kd3 | o_O; For the first time since your grandpa was a kid, the US exported more fuel than it imported this year. Let's take a victory lap [Interesting] |
| 04:03.41 | kd3 | http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111230/ap_on_bi_ge/us_america_s_biggest_export |
| 04:04.13 | kd3 | funny how it's on old.news yet it was posted ~8 hours ago |
| 04:05.58 | Arrowmaster | funny, i know the gas we use in this area of the country hasnt been imported from europe in a long time unlike what that article says |
| 04:06.15 | Arrowmaster | its imported from Venezuela |
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| 04:14.21 | airtonix | it's not lupus |
| 04:21.11 | Seerah | ~logs |
| 04:21.11 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 04:25.11 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.25 | kd3 | hahahaha; http://imgur.com/iK5dj |
| 04:32.57 | Shirik | win |
| 04:35.21 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: I like logs. They win me arguments. |
| 04:35.34 | Xuerian | Then I read them and get depressed, and like them just a little bit less. |
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| 05:03.08 | karl_w_w | you blocked me on facebook |
| 05:03.12 | karl_w_w | and now you're going to die |
| 05:13.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDIdRyMklw |
| 05:15.43 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: you need to pay attention to the channel more, someone linked DEHR for $10 via amazon on the 25th |
| 05:16.03 | Arrowmaster | i saw that |
| 05:16.30 | Thunder_Child | why not get it then? |
| 05:16.39 | Arrowmaster | because i have it already for 360 |
| 05:17.01 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 05:17.17 | Thunder_Child | i bet Maldivia missed it though |
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| 05:23.28 | Shirik | any holy priests around? What do you think: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bchZfurrRobkcdoob |
| 05:27.22 | Thunder_Child | steam is getting really bad about creating destop icons for newly installed games. |
| 05:27.44 | ex0a | Shirik: any pvp or just pve? |
| 05:28.23 | Shirik | raid pve |
| 05:28.56 | ex0a | i think that's the exact build i used for raiding, but i'm disc now |
| 05:28.58 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: really good at it, or bad at it, or what? |
| 05:29.41 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: uh, i even used really bad in my comment |
| 05:29.48 | Thunder_Child | whats confusing? |
| 05:29.57 | Corrodias | yes, but you said "bad about", which can mean numerous things |
| 05:29.59 | ex0a | he's asking whether they're failing or just slamming your desktop full |
| 05:30.05 | Corrodias | either it doesn't do it and you want it to, or it does it and you don't want it to |
| 05:30.21 | Thunder_Child | oh, not creating them |
| 05:30.26 | Corrodias | or maybe it does and they don't work... |
| 05:30.35 | Thunder_Child | though, an option would be nice |
| 05:30.42 | Corrodias | hmm, hmm. it's a checkbox option on the last page of the installation dialog. |
| 05:31.04 | Thunder_Child | isnt it checked by default? |
| 05:31.09 | foxlit | no |
| 05:31.13 | Corrodias | i think so, but it remembers what you chose last time |
| 05:31.33 | foxlit | protip: jumplist on steam icon in taskbar. |
| 05:31.56 | Thunder_Child | i have 97 installed games.... |
| 05:31.59 | Corrodias | at this point, if it didn't make one, and you want it, you can right-click a game and hit "Create Desktop Shortcut" |
| 05:32.26 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: yea, and thats what i am doing, but it's anoying on ~10 games |
| 05:32.36 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: surely you aren't placing all 97 icons on your desktop :) |
| 05:32.59 | Corrodias | that would be scary! |
| 05:33.02 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: why not? i have a lot of space |
| 05:33.09 | Thunder_Child | and it's only for games |
| 05:33.59 | foxlit | Because finding needles in haystacks (even large ones) isn't very effective. |
| 05:34.35 | Thunder_Child | i have 122 icons on my desktop and it's less than half the screen |
| 05:34.48 | foxlit | I have 2. |
| 05:35.08 | Thunder_Child | and they are all in alphabetical order |
| 05:35.15 | Thunder_Child | so it's rather fast to find |
| 05:35.57 | Corrodias | i was only curious. well, next time you install one, check the last page of the dialog |
| 05:36.33 | Thunder_Child | i shall |
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| 06:00.01 | Thunder_Child | why the hell am i seeing used cars that are more expensive than new? |
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| 06:12.34 | Arrowmaster | which cars |
| 06:14.56 | Thunder_Child | nvm me, my search brought up cars that were different than what i searched for, though so slightly i had to track down what was different. |
| 06:15.10 | Thunder_Child | eg. manual vs auto |
| 06:19.29 | Arrowmaster | better be looking for a manual |
| 06:20.20 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.23 | Dagmar | Unless you spend a lot of time at the race track, there's little point |
| 06:22.09 | Arrowmaster | autos are so boring |
| 06:23.05 | Dagmar | I kind of agree |
| 06:23.16 | Dagmar | This will be why I'm about to take the scooter out to the club when it's 50F outside |
| 06:23.29 | Dagmar | Also, I can park anywhere I fucking want |
| 06:23.51 | Dagmar | Only 3/4 a car length space left for parallel parking? No fucking problem. |
| 06:24.14 | Dagmar | The cops literally do not care what I do with it so long as I'm not blocking anything |
| 06:24.20 | Thunder_Child | i prefer a manual, though most people i know do not know how to drive them |
| 06:24.31 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: How do you smoke and drive at the same time? |
| 06:24.38 | Thunder_Child | i dont smoke |
| 06:24.44 | Dagmar | Hrm... |
| 06:24.47 | Thunder_Child | but in LA thats not a problem, people suck |
| 06:25.05 | Dagmar | Oh you're in LA? |
| 06:25.14 | Dagmar | How do you reload and drive at the same time? |
| 06:25.14 | Thunder_Child | and drive like retards with lobotomys |
| 06:25.15 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:25.22 | Dagmar | :D |
| 06:25.22 | Thunder_Child | multiple guns |
| 06:25.28 | Dagmar | Ah! Good plan |
| 06:25.41 | Thunder_Child | i thought so |
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| 07:04.20 | mckenziemc | interesting |
| 07:05.04 | mckenziemc | in the same group, UnitName is returning Nemesis as the realm name for one player and Nemisis with a ^ above the first e for another player |
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| 07:05.32 | mckenziemc | err, second should be nemesis not nemisis |
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| 07:43.53 | tem | my uncle gave me a bottle of wine for christmas |
| 07:44.02 | tem | I decided to drink it to make lfr more berable |
| 07:44.04 | tem | it didn't work |
| 07:44.22 | Thunder_Child | s/lfr/life/ |
| 07:48.06 | mckenziemc | s/Thunder_Child/corpse/ |
| 07:50.42 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/JZIv9.jpg |
| 07:50.49 | Arrowmaster | so commercial or non-commercial usage? |
| 07:52.53 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Duno. Was it used as part of the show or was it being discussed? |
| 07:53.23 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/nx1xn/an_xkcd_comic_was_just_featured_on_msnbcs_rachel/ |
| 07:53.43 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it was the topic but just being used as part of another topic |
| 07:54.23 | Arrowmaster | oh part of the show is linked in the thread |
| 07:55.03 | Xuerian | I think that's pretty fair use, not to mention they got script and visual plugs |
| 07:56.05 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/license.html |
| 07:56.12 | Arrowmaster | its a noncommerical license though |
| 07:56.56 | Xuerian | Maybe, but he mentions blogs and most have advertisements. The show has a much larger audience, but the usage is equivalent. I guess it's more or less up to him, but if they credited it that much they probably asked before hand |
| 07:57.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah at least the did the proper credit |
| 08:01.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.businessinsider.com/the-largest-game-companies-in-the-world-have-dropped-their-support-for-a-bill-the-internet-hates-2011-12 |
| 08:01.12 | Arrowmaster | why was this not linked earlier |
| 08:02.00 | Arrowmaster | oh nevermind |
| 08:02.10 | Arrowmaster | nothing to see here http://www.destructoid.com/ea-nintendo-sony-reduce-sopa-support-by-50--218742.phtml |
| 08:02.15 | Arrowmaster | they are pulling a godaddy |
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| 08:57.26 | kd3 | http://penny-arcade.com/khoo/viral |
| 08:57.51 | kd3 | neat at the server admin side of watching P-A's servers melt because of the ocean marketting fiasco |
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| 09:04.13 | Dagmar | kd3: They definitely have some robust hardware over there |
| 09:05.25 | kd3 | indeed. also, gack. it's 4 am |
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| 10:53.17 | karl_w_w | yay normal ultraxion down |
| 10:53.25 | karl_w_w | now who's the big man on campus |
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| 10:57.18 | starlon | pepper sprays karl_w_w. |
| 11:06.51 | Fisker | agreed with starlon |
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| 12:12.11 | Mikk | karl_w_w: um our alts is 8/8 |
| 12:12.16 | Mikk | is in slackerguild tbfh |
| 12:12.49 | Mikk | likes slackerness though so won't change |
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| 12:50.25 | sylvanaar | ok swtor is awesome |
| 12:59.46 | Maldivia | but... origin... |
| 13:07.58 | sylvanaar | mine isnt on origin |
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| 13:13.27 | Elkano | Maldivia, you can buy SWTOR via origin but it isn't needed to play |
| 13:17.04 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 13:17.05 | Fisker | btw Elkano |
| 13:17.13 | Fisker | i got mah gifts |
| 13:18.13 | Elkano | grats :) already got a copy though |
| 13:18.41 | Fisker | so you wasting my time eh? |
| 13:19.51 | Elkano | sorry :( |
| 13:21.23 | Fisker | i will unfortunately have to destroy you |
| 13:35.29 | Maldivia | Elkano: I know, but origin stinks to even buy from :P |
| 13:35.36 | airtonix | hoho, internet explorerer : 11.13% |
| 13:35.48 | Maldivia | airtonix: what site? |
| 13:35.52 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: so buy it from a retail store |
| 13:36.00 | airtonix | Maldivia: umadbro? |
| 13:36.06 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: but... that means I'll have to leave my chair :P |
| 13:36.39 | Maldivia | airtonix: always |
| 13:36.39 | nevcairiel | order it from amazon, geez! :p |
| 13:37.22 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:38.33 | Maldivia | is swtor region locked? |
| 13:38.38 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:38.39 | AcidWeb | nope |
| 13:38.41 | airtonix | your face is region locked |
| 13:38.46 | nevcairiel | i could just go onto a US server now |
| 13:39.01 | nevcairiel | but, its full of US people, so no thanks :p |
| 13:39.17 | airtonix | racist prat |
| 13:39.20 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 13:39.37 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, there would be Canadians as well, so that counters the US a bit |
| 13:39.46 | airtonix | you're supposed to hate all people equally |
| 13:40.05 | mckenziemc | hates airtonix equally |
| 13:40.19 | Maldivia | airtonix: tell that to the politicians |
| 13:42.50 | Maldivia | hmm, checking the swtor price on Origin... it's 100kr (about $20) more expensive than it's listed at |
| 13:44.37 | Maldivia | in the text "Star WarsTM: The Old RepublicTM Standard Edition 349.00 DKK (digital download eller fysisk forsendelse til pc)" - but the price is 449 DKK |
| 13:45.43 | nevcairiel | not too long ago it was actually sold out on origin |
| 13:45.49 | AcidWeb | Yup SWTOR on Orgin is overpriced in Poland too. |
| 13:46.11 | Maldivia | hmm, could also just buy it from the US site I guess, for $60 |
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| 13:53.11 | dusf | isn't there an addon that will automagically lower arena MMR? |
| 13:53.26 | AcidWeb | :D |
| 13:53.34 | AcidWeb | Lossing 5.0 |
| 13:53.37 | AcidWeb | Extended Edition |
| 13:54.03 | dusf | thanks :) |
| 13:54.06 | AcidWeb | New release come even with real tears! |
| 13:54.10 | dusf | yay! |
| 13:54.30 | AcidWeb | No dusf no magical button :-) |
| 13:55.07 | dusf | i don't really understand why we're going to do this anyway |
| 13:55.40 | dusf | i mean if we both have a decent mmr we are where we should be no? (even though new team). and we will eventually get back to this level anyway |
| 14:00.13 | AcidWeb | Dont ask me why your team want to reset MMR ;p |
| 14:03.01 | dusf | :D |
| 14:03.03 | dusf | it's hiM! |
| 14:06.01 | AcidWeb | dusf: MMR system is just strange. If you mess with with that it will come some night and eat you. |
| 14:06.21 | AcidWeb | So just play untill you die or make 2,5k rating ;p |
| 14:25.20 | mckenziemc | wow it's been a while since i've used trigonometry |
| 14:25.24 | mckenziemc | for WoW no less! |
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| 14:35.49 | airtonix | reported for making wow easy |
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| 14:38.24 | mckenziemc | reported for not having a HUD 30 degrees wide |
| 15:10.41 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:10.41 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/26b0f7fbe693c9088e9107e6317ade13.png |
| 15:10.46 | jnwhiteh | is there any reason NOT to sell all of that? |
| 15:15.25 | Adys | jnwhiteh: sell it tbh |
| 15:15.46 | jnwhiteh | I got it for flasks a long time ago |
| 15:15.51 | jnwhiteh | but dont really play anymore |
| 15:15.57 | jnwhiteh | but I already have 13k in the bank |
| 15:17.02 | mckenziemc | give them away then |
| 15:20.22 | jnwhiteh | i'd rather sell them so i have money for... |
| 15:20.23 | jnwhiteh | nothing. |
| 15:20.24 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 15:34.57 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh: is it possible to configure Clique to work with nameplates? |
| 15:35.07 | mckenziemc | (you're the author right?) |
| 15:37.22 | airtonix | wut |
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| 17:03.48 | Fisker | live free or die hard jnwhiteh |
| 17:04.41 | mckenziemc | kills Fisker. |
| 17:04.50 | Fisker | you can't mckenziemc |
| 17:04.52 | Fisker | living free over here |
| 17:04.58 | mckenziemc | i just did Fisker |
| 17:05.19 | mckenziemc | didn't you notice that tingling sensation? |
| 17:06.06 | Fisker | can't notice what isn't there |
| 17:06.50 | mckenziemc | oh ok |
| 17:06.58 | mckenziemc | i guess the anaesthetics worked then |
| 17:23.34 | karl_w_w | Mikk: not bad for my 5th hour of raiding this patch though |
| 17:27.58 | airtonix | Fisker: dad? |
| 17:28.09 | Fisker | nope airtonix |
| 17:37.16 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker sweety |
| 17:38.43 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 17:38.53 | Stanzilla | I just finished cooking Fisker |
| 17:38.56 | Stanzilla | looking good so far |
| 17:39.08 | Fisker | not sure if want |
| 17:39.18 | Stanzilla | you do |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | pretty sure i don't |
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| 17:52.10 | Elkano | Fisker, did you manage to get the SMB achievement? |
| 17:52.21 | Fisker | sure Elkano |
| 17:52.22 | Fisker | it was easy |
| 17:53.08 | Fisker | get it Elkano ? |
| 17:53.23 | Elkano | I got it |
| 17:53.42 | Fisker | was it as easy for me as it was for you? |
| 17:53.57 | Elkano | depends on how you did it |
| 17:54.12 | Stanzilla | Fisker used SAM |
| 17:54.14 | Stanzilla | hides |
| 17:54.31 | Fisker | nope Stanzilla |
| 17:54.36 | Stanzilla | .avi |
| 17:54.41 | Fisker | if i used sam i would've been banned.gif |
| 17:55.02 | Stanzilla | did they really start banning those people? |
| 17:55.32 | Fisker | apparently Stanzilla |
| 17:55.39 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 17:55.41 | Fisker | or maybe it was only if you used it on games you didn't own |
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| 18:07.28 | Ackis | Fisker: I thought they only banned people who bought 500 copies of the humble bundle for 1 cent, did the cheeves on 500 accoutns and traded them all to their main account |
| 18:07.48 | Fisker | not according to the internets Ackis |
| 18:07.59 | Fisker | atleast there were people who claimed they got banned having used nothing else but SAM |
| 18:08.08 | Ackis | ah |
| 18:08.51 | Fisker | classic |
| 18:08.54 | Ackis | you probably cheated on SMB anyways |
| 18:08.55 | Fisker | New for the PC Version |
| 18:08.56 | Ackis | you cheater you |
| 18:08.59 | Fisker | Keyboard mapping |
| 18:08.59 | Fisker | Gamepad support |
| 18:09.11 | Fisker | didn't cheat Ackis |
| 18:09.25 | Fisker | does that mean that gamepad support wasn't present for la noire on consoles? |
| 18:10.49 | Iriel | I think it means it wasn't present in the original PC Version - thus it's new for the PC version (even though it's since-launch for the consoles) |
| 18:10.58 | Iriel | I realize of course you were just trying to be difficult. |
| 18:11.22 | Ackis | Iriel: he doesn't try, it comes naturally to him |
| 18:11.27 | Iriel | True |
| 18:12.46 | Fisker | what original pc version Iriel ? |
| 18:13.08 | Iriel | Fisker: whichever build didn't have gamepad support |
| 18:13.12 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:13.34 | Fisker | so i'm trying to be difficult because they in an official feature list talked compared to a developer build? |
| 18:13.34 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 18:14.47 | Stanzilla | Fisker: wanna cuddle? |
| 18:15.00 | Fisker | never |
| 18:15.36 | Stanzilla | =( |
| 18:15.44 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:15.54 | Stanzilla | afk fondueing |
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| 18:18.27 | Ackis | weird it's giving me an error saying I own one of the games I wanna buy but I don't own said game |
| 18:18.40 | airtonix | pwnt |
| 18:21.16 | Fisker | mad Ackis ? |
| 18:21.18 | Fisker | what gaem it is? |
| 18:22.29 | Elkano | yeah, ackis, which one? |
| 18:23.14 | Ackis | la noire and magicka dlc |
| 18:23.22 | Ackis | and no not made, system is just shitting itself most likely |
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| 18:25.32 | airtonix | Fisker: do you agree? |
| 18:27.02 | Fisker | i disagree Ackis |
| 18:27.12 | Fisker | why are you not made Ackis |
| 18:27.13 | Fisker | ? |
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| 18:34.40 | Jamash_ | I'm reinstalling windows XP for my cousin while watching The IT Crowd on my 3DS |
| 18:35.01 | Jamash_ | I am the nerdiest nerd that ever came to nerdtown |
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| 18:36.08 | nevcairiel | you're installing windows xp, that kinda disqualifies you already |
| 18:36.33 | Jamash_ | it's not my fault! |
| 18:36.54 | Jamash_ | it's the OS the computer came with |
| 18:37.05 | nevcairiel | an OS can be replaced |
| 18:37.12 | Jamash_ | and I don't think she'd be very happy if I installed Ubuntu |
| 18:37.19 | Jamash_ | I could be wrong of course |
| 18:37.38 | Jamash_ | almost all of her stuff is web based these days |
| 18:38.23 | Jamash_ | I should put wubi on it and see if anyone notices |
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| 18:49.44 | Fisker | to be fair nevcairiel |
| 18:49.47 | Fisker | so does the 3DS |
| 18:50.06 | Fisker | could've installed Windows 7 Jamash_ |
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| 18:59.08 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:59.18 | Shirik | the brewery at which Guinness is made is under a 9000 year lease? |
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| 19:03.45 | Nechckn | needs a Shirik hug... |
| 19:03.53 | Shirik | hugs Nechckn |
| 19:03.56 | Shirik | what happen? |
| 19:04.32 | Nechckn | lol, I need your brain to look at something, if you have a few. I'll bug you - over there >>> |
| 19:04.35 | Jamash_ | Fisker: this computer is so old it uses baudot code |
| 19:04.50 | Jamash_ | Shirik: I heard that |
| 19:08.57 | airtonix | Jamash: wubi sucks |
| 19:09.11 | Fisker | if it can run windows xp it can run windows 7 |
| 19:09.13 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:09.34 | airtonix | windows 7 sucks |
| 19:09.35 | Jamash | it can, but that implies either $$$ or craxors |
| 19:09.46 | Jamash | all operating systems suck |
| 19:09.58 | airtonix | your face sucks |
| 19:10.03 | Jamash | it's true |
| 19:10.09 | airtonix | Jamash: i bet you use vim |
| 19:10.18 | Jamash | I still don't use vim |
| 19:10.28 | Jamash | is this like a thing? |
| 19:11.04 | Fisker | then windows 8 Jamash |
| 19:11.20 | Jamash | from the alt.sysadmin.recovery FAQ: Q. Are there any OSes that don't suck? A. No. |
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| 19:18.14 | Jamash | then next week I'm helping a friend build a PC from parts |
| 19:18.20 | Jamash | I'm very excited |
| 19:18.44 | karl_w_w | windows xp: 10.5 years old. windows 98 when MS discontinued support: 8 years old, and that was overdue. conclusion: move the fuck on from windows xp. |
| 19:18.58 | Jamash | it's windows xp media center edition 2005 |
| 19:19.09 | Shirik | they can't move on from windows xp |
| 19:19.12 | Jamash | so clearly it's only 6 years old |
| 19:19.24 | Shirik | the problem is their whole vista mess and they offered businesses to go back to xp |
| 19:19.31 | Shirik | so they have to support xp as lony as they support vista |
| 19:19.39 | Jamash | until the end of days |
| 19:19.53 | Jamash | which is next december, so not that long really |
| 19:20.07 | Shirik | sure, but that's why xp is being supported so much longer |
| 19:20.11 | karl_w_w | at this stage they may as well just give all vista users a free upgrade to 7 |
| 19:20.18 | karl_w_w | when 8 comes out anyway |
| 19:20.22 | Jamash | and xp users |
| 19:20.37 | Jamash | if they were sane (ha ha ha) they'd offer $30 upgrades like apple does |
| 19:21.03 | A-KO | Vista wasn't a mess :( |
| 19:21.06 | A-KO | people are just retarded |
| 19:21.11 | A-KO | XP is a mess |
| 19:21.15 | karl_w_w | considering 7 is just vista with less bugs and slightly less retardation |
| 19:21.17 | A-KO | someone who has to work with XP day in and day out |
| 19:21.50 | A-KO | I work with 7 exclusively, until I get on an XP machine and go "god damnit, XYZ doesn't work" |
| 19:21.50 | Jamash | I love installing security updates for updates of point releases of components |
| 19:21.59 | A-KO | "hey my PC is slow" because XP doesn't defrag |
| 19:21.59 | A-KO | ever |
| 19:22.06 | A-KO | 70% file fragmentation sez WUT |
| 19:22.30 | Jamash | if MS knew anything about designing filesystems they wouldn't need constant defragging |
| 19:22.41 | A-KO | Jamash: I'd like to see you argue against the NTFS guys |
| 19:22.47 | A-KO | You'll likely lose that conversation, just an fyi |
| 19:22.57 | Jamash | I'd just point them at the linux kernel and say "read" |
| 19:23.03 | karl_w_w | On January 14, 2020, support for downgrading from Windows 7 to Windows XP ends, making Windows XP officially obsolete. |
| 19:23.05 | karl_w_w | fuck me |
| 19:23.13 | Jamash | wat |
| 19:23.14 | A-KO | karl_w_w: SEcurity fixes stop in 2014 |
| 19:23.24 | A-KO | FYI |
| 19:23.28 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 19:23.30 | Jamash | downgrading from 7 to XP is supported *now*? |
| 19:23.33 | A-KO | so we've got about 2.5 more years |
| 19:23.36 | A-KO | yes Jamash |
| 19:23.36 | A-KO | it is |
| 19:23.41 | A-KO | all volume licensing supports downgrades |
| 19:23.41 | Jamash | wow |
| 19:23.50 | A-KO | including Office 2010 to 2007, etc. |
| 19:24.19 | A-KO | I physically *can't* move the office to 7 because of specific softawre they run and the amount of bitching that will ensue |
| 19:24.28 | A-KO | I'd end up having to disable UAC |
| 19:24.38 | karl_w_w | whats wrong with that |
| 19:25.04 | A-KO | what's wrong with disabling UAC? |
| 19:25.06 | A-KO | are you nuts? lol |
| 19:25.13 | karl_w_w | its not great |
| 19:25.19 | karl_w_w | but its still better than xp |
| 19:25.20 | A-KO | you disable UAC and you disable protected mode and the entire software integrity structure of the OS |
| 19:25.37 | A-KO | you're a fucking tool if you turn it off |
| 19:26.04 | Jamash | mark the windows partition read only |
| 19:26.18 | A-KO | the point is shit can't do *drive by* installations, in addition to that both Chrome and IE make use of it for security purposes. If you turn off UAC entirely, you turn off the integrity model, everything runs with high integrity (Like in XP) and you're back to being screwed. |
| 19:26.21 | Jamash | oh wait I forgot you can't do that |
| 19:26.57 | karl_w_w | its not a case of 7 with uac vs 7 without uac |
| 19:26.58 | Jamash | or rather you can but everything will implode |
| 19:27.06 | karl_w_w | it's a case of 7 without uac vs xp |
| 19:27.13 | Jamash | karl_w_w: xp mode brah |
| 19:27.16 | airtonix | mad? |
| 19:27.22 | A-KO | karl_w_w: 7 w/o UAC vs XP is very similar. |
| 19:27.23 | karl_w_w | dont bring by bra into this |
| 19:27.36 | karl_w_w | in security yes |
| 19:27.43 | Jamash | https://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx |
| 19:27.48 | A-KO | I mean, they've made some changes coding wise of course, but as far as system access, it's the same. |
| 19:28.03 | A-KO | Anyone who disables UAC is an idiot, 'nuff said |
| 19:28.08 | A-KO | just like the tools that don't run some form of AV |
| 19:28.08 | Mr_Rabies | XP mode is pretty nice A-KO |
| 19:28.20 | Mr_Rabies | you might wanna play around with it and see how it works |
| 19:28.30 | Mr_Rabies | i've no clue how to deploy it centrally though |
| 19:28.34 | A-KO | Mr_Rabies: yeah, the problem is teaching everyone else at work how it works. |
| 19:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing |
| 19:28.49 | Mr_Rabies | properly set up, it just launches the window |
| 19:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | you don't even have to go into it |
| 19:28.56 | A-KO | I am part of an IT team that does server and desktop for about 500 users |
| 19:29.03 | Jamash | like classic mode in osx? |
| 19:29.15 | A-KO | assuming the application puts itself into the specific folders that lets it do that |
| 19:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | it just opens a window in xp mode natively in 7 |
| 19:29.40 | airtonix | A-KO: umadbro? |
| 19:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | i've got no clue how easy it is to set up remotely but i imagine it's easy since this is exactly what MS made it for |
| 19:30.50 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: if you pay the fees |
| 19:30.55 | Mr_Rabies | awful ancient software that our entire infrastructure is running on because everyone's afraid to touch it |
| 19:30.57 | A-KO | it's free, actually. |
| 19:31.01 | airtonix | at which point you may as well buy a ticket to mars |
| 19:31.01 | Jamash | look up MED-V |
| 19:31.13 | A-KO | heh, MS licensing isn't bad when you get to the big tin :P |
| 19:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's about $50 a license or so for most volume licensing right? |
| 19:31.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's not bad |
| 19:31.54 | airtonix | to centrally deploy with easy to use gui ? |
| 19:31.55 | airtonix | lawl |
| 19:31.58 | airtonix | free? |
| 19:32.09 | A-KO | the quote we got from MS for 300 users of the Core CAL stuff, i.e. WIndows/Office/Forefront/Exchange/Lync/Sharepoint was $222K |
| 19:32.26 | airtonix | yep 222,000 dollars is free |
| 19:32.27 | Jamash | that's insane |
| 19:32.28 | airtonix | mhmm |
| 19:32.32 | Mr_Rabies | what are you talking about airtonix |
| 19:32.35 | A-KO | so that's AV included, document management included, and Exchange included |
| 19:32.38 | Mr_Rabies | what costs $222k? |
| 19:32.38 | karl_w_w | hah |
| 19:32.54 | A-KO | it's $222K over like 3 or 4 years |
| 19:32.57 | karl_w_w | they were punishing you for wanting to install sharepoint on anything, ever |
| 19:32.58 | A-KO | when you have a 300 employee business |
| 19:32.59 | A-KO | that's nothing |
| 19:33.00 | karl_w_w | and rightly so |
| 19:33.49 | A-KO | You act like $200,000 over a few years isn't cheap...they're big numbers, but it's nothing really |
| 19:33.54 | Jamash | I wish the antitrust judgment had forced them to give up the entire windows api (with source code) |
| 19:33.54 | A-KO | infrastructure costs more for a good infrastructure |
| 19:34.04 | airtonix | 0$ is cheap |
| 19:34.10 | airtonix | over 1 day |
| 19:34.11 | A-KO | you can get basic SANs that cost $100,000+ |
| 19:35.00 | A-KO | airtonix: Perhaps, but to a company employees are the most costly expenditure they have--period. And admins for Linux tend to charge more for what they do, with the average position pay being quite a few % points above a Windows admin. |
| 19:35.15 | Jamash | microsoft infrastructure ∉ good infrastructure |
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| 19:35.44 | A-KO | Jamash: heh, it's not worth arguing, but look it up sometime. Microsoft has the *best* Infrastructure you can buy in a package, period. Done. there's nothing that competes, nothing, and I don't care how good you think you are with another OS. |
| 19:35.48 | airtonix | A-KO: so what you're saying is that you're not worth as much as a linux admin |
| 19:35.52 | airtonix | derp |
| 19:35.57 | Jamash | ^ |
| 19:36.09 | A-KO | airtonix: Actually, I do both, I manage the Unix servers and the Windows servers ;) |
| 19:36.26 | airtonix | hellow captain hindsight |
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| 19:36.39 | Jamash | unix or linux? |
| 19:36.53 | A-KO | Jamash: Unix, with a migration to RHEL coming shortly for those boxes |
| 19:36.53 | airtonix | ignore jamash, he uses vim |
| 19:37.00 | Jamash | A-KO: I'm sorry |
| 19:37.21 | A-KO | Solaris is fun... |
| 19:37.24 | A-KO | we'll put it that way |
| 19:37.25 | A-KO | :P |
| 19:37.26 | bleeter | RHEL, CentOS for those without a clue |
| 19:37.35 | A-KO | bleeter: RHEL if you need/want support. |
| 19:37.48 | A-KO | and if you run your business on community support and duct tape, you're waiting for a catastrophic failure |
| 19:37.51 | bleeter | as I said, CentOS for the clueless |
| 19:37.53 | A-KO | you're asking for it |
| 19:37.54 | A-KO | :P |
| 19:38.14 | A-KO | agreed. Did they ever get around to releasing the newest version of CentOS? |
| 19:38.45 | bleeter | Linux valentine 3.0.4-linode38 #1 SMP Thu Sep 22 14:59:08 EDT 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 19:38.50 | bleeter | bah |
| 19:38.52 | bleeter | yes |
| 19:39.14 | Jamash | CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW64 Tachikoma 1.7.9(0.237/5/3) 2011-03-29 10:10 i686 Cygwin |
| 19:39.16 | bleeter | CentOS release 6.2 (Final) |
| 19:39.40 | bleeter | have been toying with the idea of enabling CR on this beast, but meh |
| 19:39.49 | Jamash | CR? |
| 19:40.05 | bleeter | http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/CR |
| 19:40.20 | bleeter | semi-testing/hotfixing kinda foo |
| 19:40.28 | Jamash | oh, testing |
| 19:40.48 | bleeter | when new sources are released upstream but binary won't be available until next point release |
| 19:41.02 | Jamash | my first question about any linux distribution is: what package format does it use |
| 19:41.08 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
| 19:41.10 | Fisker | hey bleeter |
| 19:41.14 | Fisker | however not hey A-KO |
| 19:41.21 | Jamash | if the answer is RPM then the answer is also "no" |
| 19:41.23 | A-KO | bleeter: that's the one thing I don't like about most distro release cycles and really breaks it. When there's that "must-have" functionality or bug fix (non-security) that you need that isn't in the distro's repo |
| 19:41.24 | A-KO | it makes things fun |
| 19:41.39 | Jamash | A-KO: pinning? |
| 19:42.19 | bleeter | jaysus wept, package formats |
| 19:42.33 | bleeter | hails from the days of when you'd get OSes on tapes |
| 19:43.18 | bleeter | and the man pages would take up 3/4 of your bookshelf |
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| 19:44.30 | A-KO | meh |
| 19:44.41 | A-KO | most people nowadays wouldn't be using linux if it weren't for package repos |
| 19:44.51 | Jamash | s/most/almost all/ |
| 19:44.51 | A-KO | to make all the dependency shit easier |
| 19:44.57 | bleeter | yes, most admins are lazy and clueless |
| 19:45.00 | Jamash | like 99% |
| 19:45.07 | A-KO | I remember how much of a pain in the ass it was to get Quake 2 running on my Redhat system back in the day |
| 19:45.09 | A-KO | 1998-ish |
| 19:45.13 | A-KO | svgalib ftw |
| 19:45.27 | Jamash | IRQs motherfer, do you speak them |
| 19:45.34 | A-KO | it wasn't fun, wasn't pretty, and it was like "here, have at it!" basis |
| 19:45.53 | bleeter | 'oh my system is broken after the update!' 'did you read all the changelogs?' 'where's that?' |
| 19:46.01 | Jamash | doing sound in red hat was basically the same as doing sound in DOS |
| 19:46.19 | Jamash | put an explicit IRQ and IO port in a config file and pray |
| 19:46.30 | bleeter | sound in *nix is still mostly arse |
| 19:46.34 | A-KO | it is |
| 19:46.35 | Nechckn | IRQs were managed by satan, himself. |
| 19:46.37 | A-KO | it's still pretyt terrible |
| 19:46.44 | A-KO | they still can't get sound right |
| 19:46.50 | Jamash | well to be fair X is also terrible |
| 19:46.55 | A-KO | that it is |
| 19:47.07 | A-KO | I stopped using linux in thsoe days, didn't go back until I started using linux systems w/o X |
| 19:47.21 | Jamash | console or some other windowing system? |
| 19:47.25 | A-KO | console |
| 19:47.32 | Jamash | fistbump |
| 19:47.33 | bleeter | fixing X is a tougher ask than getting some sane sound APIs happening |
| 19:47.50 | A-KO | linux, at its core, the entire platform and environment, is entirely built around the console. You need to drop to the console to do just about anything, most support you'll get are console commands. |
| 19:48.02 | A-KO | so really, why use X? |
| 19:48.07 | A-KO | unless you want to forcefully hurt yourself |
| 19:48.20 | Jamash | http://xkcd.com/963/ |
| 19:48.49 | Jamash | I find X with XFCE somewhat inoffensive |
| 19:49.00 | A-KO | They can't do UI design for shit |
| 19:49.03 | Jamash | all other desktops I've used make me want to murder someone |
| 19:49.06 | A-KO | I get more frustrated using their busted bullshit UIs |
| 19:49.08 | bleeter | A-KO: because most websites these days don't work in pure text modes. just ask the next sight-impaired person you meet |
| 19:49.09 | A-KO | Gnome and KDE |
| 19:49.25 | A-KO | bleeter: yeah, but I also don't use Linux as a client OS for that reason. I use it for servers only. |
| 19:49.32 | Jamash | A-KO: XFCE >>>>>>>>>>> gnome, kde |
| 19:49.54 | bleeter | UNITY!!1!!1!11!1! |
| 19:49.57 | Jamash | gnome and kde are assballs |
| 19:50.00 | A-KO | all is happy in the world when you use the systems as they were designed and not kludged together i.e. square peg round hole |
| 19:50.15 | Jamash | unity is a bad ui for bads |
| 19:50.39 | Jamash | who need swooping transparent crap all over |
| 19:50.45 | bleeter | unity is the desktop for people who can't afford a 'KICK ME' t-shirt |
| 19:50.52 | Nechckn | Go, go lynx, bleeter - have the web dev use that for a bit, then see how things 'look'. =) |
| 19:51.22 | bleeter | Nechckn: elinks or bust! :P |
| 19:51.24 | Jamash | Nechckn: well, usability and accessibility would increase by 100% after about a week |
| 19:51.34 | Jamash | so that's a net win |
| 19:52.03 | Jamash | someone should port gecko to the console |
| 19:52.18 | Nechckn | That was what we did when netscape navigator started having the editor 'built in' - required them to run it through lynx to see if it still worked/ made sense. |
| 19:52.21 | Jamash | for the lulz |
| 19:52.22 | bleeter | Nechckn: there's a music festival fundraiser coming up here in a couple of months for multiple sclerosis foundation. I give you their website: elinks http://www.msfest.org.au |
| 19:52.57 | Nechckn | OMG!!! |
| 19:53.05 | Nechckn | Now *that* is a website! |
| 19:53.25 | Jamash | it's cornflower blue |
| 19:53.29 | Jamash | therefore it is a good website |
| 19:54.06 | Nechckn | No... it contains a sexy fowl, therefore 'tis good! |
| 19:54.28 | bleeter | Nechckn: are there any other kinds of fowl? |
| 19:54.42 | Nechckn | good point, sheepy... very good. |
| 19:54.51 | Jamash | with noscript on it displays a blank page |
| 19:55.04 | Jamash | with noscript off it gets substantially worse |
| 19:55.33 | bleeter | yes, it's so full of fail as a website that SHOULD be W3C WAI aware |
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| 19:56.33 | Jamash | punch the monkey to view our faq |
| 19:56.55 | Nechckn | The cool factor just blows away any sort of access requirements, in that specific case. |
| 19:57.12 | Jamash | it does? |
| 19:57.30 | Jamash | can't tell if trolling |
| 19:57.31 | Nechckn | Oh, wait, you mean like for people who care about it, besides that awesome Rooster? pfft... they can get the printout via the pony express. |
| 19:58.15 | Jamash | someone tried to use my credit card to buy $900 worth of stuff at sears.com |
| 19:58.27 | Nechckn | Jamash Different thing - I have a hang up on fowl, so it is totally awesomesauce - as far as needing info, it totally blows. =) |
| 19:58.44 | Nechckn | Ouchies... not a good sign. |
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| 19:59.03 | bleeter | I think Nechckn was dropped on his head at birth, his bacon and chicken appreciation genes got mixed up |
| 19:59.10 | Jamash | the anti-fraud dept at my bank called up to verify, fortunately |
| 19:59.34 | Nechckn | That is rather scary, but still cool - for the reason you note. |
| 19:59.38 | Jamash | ya |
| 19:59.40 | Nechckn | Time to get a new card. |
| 19:59.47 | bleeter | score one for the banks |
| 19:59.50 | bleeter | *bank |
| 19:59.55 | Nechckn | You could be correct, bleeter.... |
| 19:59.57 | Jamash | oh yeah when I said it was fraudulent they canceled the card on the spot |
| 20:00.31 | bleeter | have you guys caught up to this year yet? |
| 20:00.38 | Jamash | nope |
| 20:00.39 | Jamash | 3pm |
| 20:01.24 | Jamash | magicka is $2.49, get it if you haven't got it already |
| 20:04.01 | bleeter | Jamash: got a credit card I can use to buy it with? ;) j/k |
| 20:04.26 | Jamash | 0123 5678 9101 1121 |
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| 20:08.38 | Nechckn | Woo hoo - free stuff, on Jamash! Come one, come all - just hope that the cancellation has not propogated all the way, yet. ;-) |
| 20:08.59 | Jamash | lewl |
| 20:09.08 | Jamash | "that's the combination on my luggage!" |
| 20:09.09 | bleeter | Nechckn: card seems to work if I use the name 'tekkub' on it |
| 20:09.23 | Jamash | try "president skroob" |
| 20:10.28 | Robsato1 | xfce |
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| 20:11.44 | Fisker | pretty sure that 0123 isn't a legit country and bank code Nechckn |
| 20:12.13 | bleeter | Fisker: I hacked your bank in your name to make sure it was |
| 20:12.22 | Nechckn | Worth a try - it is at least as reliable as this list I bought off of pirate bay. |
| 20:12.26 | Fisker | you can't bleeter |
| 20:12.35 | Fisker | chrome and firefox support is flaky at best |
| 20:12.38 | Fisker | and opera of course |
| 20:12.39 | bleeter | Fisker: I can do anything for I am fewtcha boi |
| 20:12.42 | Fisker | and anything not IE |
| 20:12.49 | Fisker | so you're admitting to using Internet Explorer if you did |
| 20:12.56 | Mikk | why wouldn't 01 be a valid country code? |
| 20:13.02 | Fisker | because Mikk |
| 20:13.04 | Nechckn | Mysteriously, bleeter was only able to get into your account using 'Fister', though, Fisker. |
| 20:13.05 | Mikk | it's 1? |
| 20:13.55 | Fisker | well first of all the first digit can't be 0 |
| 20:14.46 | Mikk | 0ISO/TC 68 and other industry assignments |
| 20:14.52 | Mikk | 4Banking and financial |
| 20:15.08 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:19.17 | Mikk | well, admittedly, that's a number system that isn't necessarily used for credit cards only |
| 20:19.25 | Mikk | so "0" cards probably don't give you free money |
| 20:20.23 | Fisker | well that was kinda the point :( |
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| 20:23.04 | Nechckn | bleeter drinking age is still 18 down there? |
| 20:23.12 | bleeter | nails tekkub to the # |
| 20:23.15 | Nechckn | over/down/near you |
| 20:23.28 | bleeter | Nechckn: yeah |
| 20:23.37 | bleeter | Nechckn: is it still 4635 near you? |
| 20:24.13 | Fisker | You guys have drinking ages? |
| 20:24.15 | Fisker | wtf? |
| 20:24.32 | bleeter | in public and licensed places, yeah |
| 20:24.39 | Fisker | damn |
| 20:24.49 | bleeter | not in private homes, though one can get prosecuted if private stuff gets outta hand |
| 20:25.02 | Nechckn | Huh, did not realize that one. Indeed, it is ... looking forward to being able to drink in 4597 years! |
| 20:25.33 | Fisker | you guys are crazy |
| 20:25.38 | bleeter | no u |
| 20:25.42 | Fisker | how so? |
| 20:26.01 | karl_w_w | it's a wonder they let anyone drink at all |
| 20:26.04 | Nechckn | Fisker has none... ladies drink for free at his house. No proof of age, necessary. |
| 20:26.25 | Fisker | i don't drink alcohol |
| 20:26.36 | Mikk | methanol? |
| 20:26.48 | Fisker | Gotta stay concentrated for all those underage girls i apparently have over at my house |
| 20:26.58 | Fisker | or wait |
| 20:27.00 | Nechckn | "Drop that Barbie and do some shots of Stoli, darlin'!" |
| 20:27.01 | Fisker | that wasn't implied |
| 20:27.04 | Fisker | i'm implicating myself |
| 20:27.06 | Fisker | runs |
| 20:27.15 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: thats not true, proof of age is required...have to make sure they are under 12 |
| 20:27.34 | Nechckn | Good point, good point ;-) |
| 20:27.37 | cbreak | count the rings? |
| 20:27.47 | Nechckn | Under that bridge can get lonely, after all. |
| 20:28.06 | Nechckn | That only works with boys, though, cbreak |
| 20:28.32 | karl_w_w | homeless people must do more masturbating than any other group of people |
| 20:28.49 | Nechckn | Eh... time to kill, I suppose. |
| 20:29.26 | Nechckn | Wait - any other group? I think teen nerds likely surpass even them. |
| 20:30.31 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 20:30.49 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 20:30.56 | Thunder_Child | though teens in general would be correct |
| 20:31.06 | Thunder_Child | not nerds per se |
| 20:31.20 | karl_w_w | youngsters have a certain degree of shame and/or privacy issues holding them back |
| 20:31.37 | Thunder_Child | yes, in public |
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| 20:31.44 | Thunder_Child | but thats not what we were talking about |
| 20:31.51 | Nechckn | I guess... but the non-nerds are likely trying to work on actual non-self-inflicted-fun with others. |
| 20:31.53 | karl_w_w | homeless people have got time to burn and nobody to pay attention to whaT theyre doing |
| 20:32.44 | Nechckn | Oh, in public, yeah - almost certainly. |
| 20:33.00 | Nechckn | What about homeless teens - even worse? |
| 20:34.22 | karl_w_w | i only know of 1 homeless teen and he spent all his time becoming an opera singer |
| 20:34.57 | karl_w_w | the sample size might not be great but i think the results speak for themselves! :P |
| 20:35.15 | Fisker | drinks alcohol at 0 if i feel like it |
| 20:36.12 | Fisker | damn there's nothing good on tv tonight |
| 20:36.22 | Fisker | what to do, what to do |
| 20:36.23 | amro | is there ever? |
| 20:36.33 | amro | fix steam for me |
| 20:36.48 | Nechckn | It's New Year's eve. Venture out from under the bridge, Fisker! |
| 20:37.00 | Fisker | what do you need fixed amro ? |
| 20:37.30 | amro | err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\data\\steam\\steamapps\\common\\super street fighter iv - arcade edition\\SSFIV.exe" failed, status c0000135 |
| 20:37.49 | Fisker | sounds like .net framework |
| 20:37.56 | amro | it's xlive.dll |
| 20:38.02 | amro | stupid retarded GFWL |
| 20:38.07 | amro | I hate it so much |
| 20:38.23 | Fisker | have you tried downloading GFWL from microsoft and installing manually? |
| 20:38.34 | amro | yeah |
| 20:38.36 | amro | installer hangs |
| 20:38.45 | amro | I think I'm gonna have to install w7 on this |
| 20:38.48 | amro | but I really don't want to do that |
| 20:38.49 | nevcairiel | its GFWL and not GFLL |
| 20:39.02 | Fisker | oic |
| 20:39.14 | amro | are you implying that it actually works on windows nevcairiel? |
| 20:39.25 | bleeter | oO |
| 20:39.25 | Fisker | wine should be illegal out of spite |
| 20:39.41 | bleeter | iirc MS tried that, lulz were had |
| 20:39.43 | amro | yeah, alcohol is pretty bad |
| 20:39.55 | Fisker | i got like 50% of all games on Steam amro |
| 20:39.55 | nevcairiel | i never had issues with it, although admitedly the only game i played that had it was GTA IV :) |
| 20:40.03 | Fisker | and i still wouldn't buy SSFIV |
| 20:40.11 | Fisker | bam |
| 20:40.22 | amro | because you're a baddie |
| 20:40.26 | Fisker | nope.avi |
| 20:40.36 | Fisker | it's like dota |
| 20:40.38 | Fisker | except worse |
| 20:40.51 | amro | I think you have your games confused |
| 20:41.12 | Fisker | how so? |
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| 20:42.08 | amro | fighting games are head to head |
| 20:42.16 | amro | dota involves 4 complete morons trying to sabotage you |
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| 20:55.54 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 21:01.39 | karl_w_w | is surprised there isnt a google branded satnav |
| 21:02.53 | bleeter | isn't |
| 21:03.00 | airtonix | hates fisker |
| 21:03.59 | bleeter | karl_w_w: their offline map caching is only very recent. and their routing (the little I've used) is arse. tried to get me to the airport via a Federal Police controlled road |
| 21:04.13 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 21:04.20 | bleeter | karl_w_w: and on the way back from the airport, got me stuck in an endless loop between two roundabouts |
| 21:04.21 | karl_w_w | it works very well where i am |
| 21:05.03 | karl_w_w | funny thing is as well, it works better than my city's transport authority's journey planner for public transport |
| 21:05.12 | tlund | karl_w_w: there is, its called "google maps" :) |
| 21:05.19 | bleeter | compared to Nokia/Navteq, it's full of fail |
| 21:05.20 | Arrowmaster | satnav is dead, nobody would enter into that market when they can just release a smartphone app |
| 21:05.29 | karl_w_w | google maps isnt a device :P |
| 21:05.58 | tlund | ok, then its called "galaxy nexus" :) |
| 21:06.59 | airtonix | karl_w_w: umad? |
| 21:07.55 | karl_w_w | on a scale of 1 to fisker? |
| 21:08.05 | airtonix | bleeter: you know what's awesome? clueless fuckwits using iphones and 5 year old satnav without updates wondering why the satnav doesn't have certain places. |
| 21:08.23 | airtonix | i keep telling him to use google maps on his phone. |
| 21:09.02 | airtonix | this is a guy that uses a screen capture tool to save images from http://somedomain.tld/path/image.png |
| 21:09.03 | karl_w_w | <airtonix> bleeter: you know what's awesome? clueless fuckwits using iphones |
| 21:09.03 | karl_w_w | edited for succinctness |
| 21:21.44 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.48 | bleeter | fix't |
| 21:22.55 | bleeter | eg, the guy who wanted to beat me up on Christmas Eve 'coz I was wearing http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/frustrations/6b6e/ |
| 21:35.27 | karl_w_w | what |
| 21:35.41 | karl_w_w | i would love that situation just for the truthiness of it |
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| 21:41.50 | airtonix | etts three dawg! because two dogs ain't enough |
| 21:44.09 | Shirik | yo dawg |
| 21:55.20 | mikma_ | shirik: http://imgur.com/gallery/BB9oy |
| 21:59.22 | mikma_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/iEsxc |
| 21:59.53 | Xuerian | tlund: You have the nexus? Opinion? |
| 22:00.51 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/gallery/PKcUO |
| 22:01.32 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: lol, watching that one |
| 22:03.03 | tlund | Xuerian: not yet, but several friends do. very nice hadeware. I am upgrading in jan/feb when the prices go down. I have a HTC Desire HD today |
| 22:03.47 | Xuerian | tlund: Nice. I was pondering it, especially with the unlimited loophole going on. My Evo using GV over wifi is working for now though :p |
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| 22:09.33 | karl_w_w | <mikma_> http://imgur.com/gallery/iEsxc I always knew there was a sport to be had on facebook |
| 22:10.24 | karl_w_w | and the comments on that batman one are freaky |
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| 22:31.34 | karl_w_w | http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/28638_781618085928_199708151_46843386_7926827_n.jpg BANG |
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| 22:41.40 | amro | Today's Date: (MM/DD/YYYY): |
| 22:41.40 | amro | yes |
| 22:41.42 | amro | this is from a web form |
| 22:41.46 | amro | asking me to input today's date |
| 22:42.45 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 22:43.00 | cbreak | weird. |
| 22:43.13 | karl_w_w | link amro? :P |
| 22:43.17 | cbreak | that should be YYYY-MM-DD :) |
| 22:44.41 | amro | https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/reading/suggesttitle.htm |
| 22:45.06 | airtonix | welcome to the last year of our existance |
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| 22:46.50 | karl_w_w | wow a library system with budget problems? america has everything! :P |
| 22:47.57 | cbreak | must be because your libraries can not copy e-books |
| 22:48.07 | cbreak | or because they have to destroy e-books after lending them 8 times |
| 22:48.30 | cbreak | or any other kind of stupidity the content industry forces on the free exchange of information |
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| 22:55.40 | Jamash | yo dawg, we heard you like reading, so we put DRM on your books so you can't read them without giving us more money |
| 22:56.03 | mckenziemc1 | wat |
| 22:56.31 | airtonix | inorite |
| 22:56.42 | airtonix | wut u talkn bout willus |
| 22:56.48 | Jamash | talkin' bout shaft |
| 22:56.57 | airtonix | typical vim propaganda |
| 22:57.21 | Jamash | that's just what an eclipse user would say |
| 22:57.38 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 22:57.43 | airtonix | hoho |
| 22:58.59 | Jamash | laterz |
| 23:00.27 | Mikk | Happy New Year! |
| 23:00.38 | mckenziemc | go to sleep Mikk |
| 23:06.39 | cbreak | happy new year UTC-1 |
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| 23:08.39 | nevcairiel | its UTC+1 actually |
| 23:08.42 | nevcairiel | but same to you! |
| 23:09.21 | cbreak | hmm... so the offset is into the other direction... |
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| 23:12.54 | cbreak | damn fireworks, scaring my cats... :( |
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| 23:29.26 | Adys | happy doomsyear everyone (GMT+0.5) |
| 23:29.27 | mckenziemc | lol |
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