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| 00:02.04 | karl_w_w | so i just fixed and released an addon without remembering to do that step in between the 2 |
| 00:02.59 | karl_w_w | (testing) |
| 00:07.49 | BlueAckisFishMan | karl_w_w: yours doesn't always work (I think there's a difference between normal chat/battle.net) unless you just updated it |
| 00:08.12 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo5-XpQ5Jkk |
| 00:08.15 | Arrowmaster | WATCH IT |
| 00:08.48 | Arrowmaster | freddie wong created a battlefield3 tv commercial |
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| 00:20.40 | Fisker | it sucks Arrowmaster |
| 00:20.43 | Fisker | and false advertising |
| 00:23.20 | amro | http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1659/1320353678822.png |
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| 00:49.41 | airtonix | Fisker: it's wong |
| 00:52.26 | airtonix | Fisker: btw , ysomadbro? |
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| 01:04.26 | amro | die airtonix |
| 01:36.24 | bleeter | OH THE JOY OF BEING STALKED BY TEKKUB ON DIASPORA! |
| 01:36.37 | tekkub | entertain me |
| 01:36.46 | tekkub | since I can't add G+ streams in |
| 01:36.54 | tekkub | I has no contents on the diasporas |
| 01:37.34 | bleeter | tekkub: my head hurts, recovery from birthday party last night. entertainment incoming. first I gotta work out joindiaspora.org v diasp.org... |
| 01:37.45 | tekkub | it'd be nice if I could import my posts from G+ actually |
| 01:38.06 | tekkub | yea do I only have access to other people on this pod? |
| 01:38.08 | bleeter | did you get access to G+ returned? |
| 01:38.15 | tekkub | or do they interconnect like IRC or some shit |
| 01:38.18 | tekkub | no |
| 01:38.38 | tekkub | I keep sending "appeals" into /dev/null |
| 01:38.41 | tekkub | they never reply |
| 01:38.46 | tekkub | it's rather infuriating really |
| 01:38.57 | bleeter | tekkub: I *think* they interconnect. Not sure. elb (from #pidgin) was going to be my whipping boy for testing this over southern hemisphere summer, but now I have you :) |
| 01:39.20 | tekkub | but I'm on the same pod as you aren't I? |
| 01:39.22 | bleeter | tekkub: I'm idling in #diaspora and blan to read logs in a week or so to get a feel for wtf it's all about |
| 01:39.24 | tekkub | I'm on diasp.org |
| 01:39.41 | bleeter | I got the notification from my account on joindiaspora.org |
| 01:39.56 | bleeter | and I just set up a new account on diasp.org ... so confused. so hungover |
| 01:39.56 | tekkub | well then I guess we ain't'n't |
| 01:40.08 | tekkub | hum |
| 01:40.10 | bleeter | suspect SOME kinda XMMP federation type foo |
| 01:40.23 | tekkub | who the hell knows |
| 01:40.37 | bleeter | not that actual XMPP stuff, but similar principals |
| 01:40.49 | tekkub | https://img.skitch.com/20111218-k96mywmic872g561mphtimucx7.png |
| 01:40.50 | bleeter | goes back to his hangover and coffee |
| 01:40.56 | tekkub | I suspect this is not what I hope it is |
| 01:40.58 | bleeter | catchya later on bloke :) |
| 01:41.13 | bleeter | Gotta say, best bit of Diaspora I found so far was that I could set my gender to 'Bloke' |
| 01:41.18 | bleeter | freeform field |
| 01:41.20 | tekkub | ha |
| 01:41.30 | tekkub | *abuses said field* |
| 01:41.38 | bleeter | woots |
| 02:08.30 | foxlit | gr. |
| 02:08.43 | foxlit | My mail client seems to be ignoring some messages randomly :/ |
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| 02:35.24 | Xinhuan | heh, when did wowhead change its comment into reddit style? |
| 02:35.37 | foxlit | it's not reddit |
| 02:35.42 | foxlit | it's stackoverflow they're blatanly copying |
| 02:35.55 | Xinhuan | well its somewhat similar to both |
| 02:35.55 | Xinhuan | when did this happen |
| 02:35.58 | [1]Mischa | stackoverflow drew from reddit |
| 02:36.04 | Xinhuan | (goes to show how long i never visited it) |
| 02:36.20 | foxlit | reddit has no achievements, etc |
| 02:36.36 | [1]Mischa | ah. didn't remember that because it's pointless |
| 02:36.39 | foxlit | but basically, throw a few css tweaks at stackoverflow, and you've got wowhead's comment system :) |
| 02:37.13 | Xinhuan | well, again, anyone knows when this change occured? heh |
| 02:38.07 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=197612 |
| 02:38.19 | foxlit | possibly? |
| 02:38.36 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 02:38.40 | Xinhuan | so fairly recent! |
| 02:41.55 | Xinhuan | heh logged in to 8119 reputation |
| 03:06.29 | karl_w_w | so i just realized |
| 03:06.57 | karl_w_w | the last time i had a decent trinket on a healer that i didnt buy (so, other than dmc: tsunami) |
| 03:07.02 | karl_w_w | was memento of tyrande |
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| 04:02.12 | karl_w_w | so rare gems other than red are 10g a pop on my realm |
| 04:02.28 | karl_w_w | wonders if it's worth speculating on a price recovery |
| 04:38.23 | airtonix | i wish there was an outfitter type mod for skyrim |
| 04:38.41 | Thunder_Child | you care that much about how you look in a single player game? |
| 04:38.51 | airtonix | it's not about looks |
| 04:39.06 | Thunder_Child | item sets? |
| 04:39.15 | airtonix | yes |
| 04:39.29 | airtonix | you can change armor during battle mid swing |
| 04:39.38 | Thunder_Child | is this stuff you have enchanted yourself airtonix? |
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| 04:39.47 | airtonix | might be |
| 04:40.01 | airtonix | is that relevant? |
| 04:40.08 | Thunder_Child | you can rename them, so you can always have them have a starting discriptor |
| 04:40.19 | airtonix | i guess |
| 04:40.21 | Thunder_Child | descriptor* |
| 04:40.32 | airtonix | but i'd rather have hotkeys that insta-load presets |
| 04:41.01 | Thunder_Child | so make a mod |
| 04:41.02 | airtonix | while we're at it i want it to: make coffee, read my mind and buy winning lotto tickets |
| 04:41.22 | airtonix | making mods for gamebyro sucks |
| 04:41.37 | mckenziemc | reading your mind -> losing lotto tickets |
| 04:41.50 | airtonix | they still haven't caught up to the advanced open nature of wow mods |
| 04:42.45 | airtonix | anyway, time to burn down some bee hives |
| 04:43.01 | Thunder_Child | i dont like that quest |
| 04:45.15 | airtonix | that's why I gave it to you |
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| 06:46.46 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3764577795 |
| 06:46.50 | bluspacecow | not sure if serious. |
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| 06:51.55 | mckenziemc1 | hey orangespacecow |
| 06:57.01 | bluspacecow | who ? |
| 07:02.02 | mckenziemc1 | that apple pie over there |
| 07:05.50 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgM74NERL_s |
| 07:05.53 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 07:57.29 | airtonix | not amused |
| 07:58.54 | Cairenn | What the ... |
| 07:59.53 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 08:00.00 | bluspacecow | wassup Cairenn |
| 08:00.20 | Cairenn | that was one bizarre video :p |
| 08:00.26 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 08:00.30 | bluspacecow | kiwis rock out strangely |
| 08:01.11 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:03.42 | Cairenn | It would be even odder if they did a literal lyrics version :p |
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| 08:09.41 | clever | mckenziemc1: aha!, one step closer!!!! |
| 08:09.57 | clever | mckenziemc1: all of the terrain data is being hidden, because its over 300k yards away |
| 08:10.03 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
| 08:10.14 | clever | printing the coords, shows that every single piece of map data is at 0,0,0! |
| 08:10.23 | airtonix | hey bluspacecow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h5JSojJN3Y |
| 08:10.24 | mckenziemc1 | rofl |
| 08:10.35 | clever | now i atleast have some place to start looking |
| 08:11.18 | clever | hmmmm, vcenter comes from (vmin + vmax) * 0.5f; |
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| 08:11.41 | clever | vmin and vmax must be 0, thats the only way to get 0,0,0 |
| 08:11.46 | airtonix | bluspacecow: umad? |
| 08:11.57 | clever | so, where do they come from!, /me ctrl+f's |
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| 08:12.08 | airtonix | bluspacecow: i could never get a samsung, i'm creative |
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| 08:18.01 | clever | CHUNK 9999999.000000 9999999.000000 9999999.000000, -9999999.000000 -9999999.000000 -9999999.000000, 200.000000 22.020910 -10100.000000 |
| 08:18.07 | clever | mckenziemc1: now begins the 'fun' part |
| 08:18.34 | clever | i have 6000 lines like that, wheres the problem! :P |
| 08:19.36 | clever | that does explain the 0,0,0 though, 9999999 + -9999999 == 0! |
| 08:20.44 | mckenziemc1 | new you just need division somewhere in there |
| 08:21.05 | mckenziemc1 | now* |
| 08:21.27 | clever | i'm thinking the 0,0,0 records might be ones lacking coords |
| 08:21.35 | clever | maybe if i filter them out |
| 08:22.35 | clever | down to 2000 lines! |
| 08:30.04 | clever | mckenziemc1: hmmm, some chunks have good coords! |
| 08:30.11 | clever | but only those with no textures:S |
| 08:31.12 | Jamash | what the heck are you doing |
| 08:31.39 | mckenziemc1 | devising a plan for world domination |
| 08:31.49 | Jamash | well obviously |
| 08:31.52 | Jamash | but which world |
| 08:31.53 | clever | Jamash: fixing wowmapviewer |
| 08:31.56 | Jamash | ah |
| 08:32.07 | clever | its about 60% working |
| 08:32.17 | clever | trees and building look ok for the most part |
| 08:32.21 | clever | but the ground is missing |
| 08:32.43 | clever | certain older maps work 90% (animation glitches) |
| 08:33.04 | Jamash | fun |
| 08:33.36 | clever | doesnt help that blizz broke the file into 4 seperate files |
| 08:33.40 | clever | and changed the format on me |
| 08:34.00 | Jamash | aw |
| 08:35.00 | clever | and the map data for kalimdor is over 1gig, way too much to look at by hang |
| 08:36.53 | Jamash | is it all absolute coordinates or do they use curves to generate the terrain? |
| 08:37.44 | clever | absolute coords |
| 08:37.49 | Jamash | ick |
| 08:37.59 | clever | and the stormwind coords are relative to the same reference as all of EK |
| 08:38.06 | clever | but its in its own map |
| 08:38.10 | Jamash | lawl |
| 08:38.26 | clever | i might be looking at a pre-cata stormwind |
| 08:38.30 | Jamash | could be |
| 08:38.35 | clever | the castle is 'wrong' and the park is still present |
| 08:38.41 | Jamash | so, yeah |
| 08:38.47 | clever | dwarven ah is empty |
| 08:39.10 | clever | the castle is covered buy a butt-ugly texture |
| 08:39.23 | Jamash | I remember taking my draenei shaman to stormwind and using far sight to bug out the world |
| 08:39.23 | clever | and half the rooms extend over the tram, where the portals are now |
| 08:40.12 | Jamash | blizzrad is not known for their adherence to euclidean geometry |
| 08:40.58 | clever | they use z for altidude! |
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| 08:43.50 | clever | *** glibc detected *** /home/clever/wowmapviewer/bin/wowmapview: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x14b323d8 *** |
| 08:45.27 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 08:47.17 | clever | Shirik: ive yet to find the cause :( |
| 08:47.17 | mckenziemc1 | hey shirik |
| 08:47.30 | Shirik | hi |
| 08:48.02 | clever | Jamash: the map data is broken up into tiles, and the viewer loads a 3x3 grid near the camera |
| 08:48.35 | clever | stormwind is near tile 31,47 |
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| 08:53.09 | mckenziemc1 | 5 |
| 08:53.13 | mckenziemc1 | oops |
| 09:00.59 | starlon | is going to patent the process of skinning a cat. |
| 09:08.42 | amro | clever: what's wrong with Z for altitude? |
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| 09:13.47 | clever | amro: it just seemed (from the pages i read), that they have the axis all backwards |
| 09:14.34 | clever | i havent done much 3d, so i dont know whats 'normal' |
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| 09:14.48 | mckenziemc1 | are you referring to right hand vs left handed? |
| 09:15.56 | clever | mckenziemc1: http://www.pxr.dk/wowdev/wiki/index.php?title=ADT/v18#MCNK_chunk |
| 09:17.00 | airtonix | hey shirik |
| 09:17.31 | airtonix | want some honey'd words? |
| 09:19.10 | clever | amro: i think i also have it mixed up, i think y is altitude |
| 09:19.48 | clever | but its hard to tell where the blizz axis's end and the native opengl axis's begin |
| 09:20.23 | amro | that's not how opengl works |
| 09:20.27 | amro | you control what axis means what |
| 09:20.31 | amro | opengl is fairly abstract |
| 09:20.58 | amro | a lot of people use z for depth, as it's a natural extension of screen coordinates (x being width and y height) |
| 09:21.01 | clever | shows you how much i know about opengl :P |
| 09:21.14 | clever | last time i messed with 3d, i wrote the entire engine from scratch, in qbasic! |
| 09:21.16 | amro | but if you were working on top down 2d views, then it also feels natural to have z as the height axis |
| 09:21.51 | amro | a lot of programmers like y as height, but z as height seems to me to be standard among artists and modelers |
| 09:21.57 | clever | as it is now, the map is broken up into high level tiles (seperate files) |
| 09:22.10 | clever | each tile then has a 16x16 grid of chunks within it |
| 09:22.38 | clever | and its the chunk data thats not parsing properly, blizz split it up into 4 files instead of the old 1 file |
| 09:24.33 | mckenziemc1 | tell them to put the pieces bac |
| 09:24.34 | mckenziemc1 | k |
| 09:25.14 | clever | i'm still not sure what the difference is between tex0 and tex1 |
| 09:25.28 | mckenziemc1 | the number |
| 09:25.29 | mckenziemc1 | :D |
| 09:25.45 | clever | the size of the files also differs, but it makes no difference which one i use |
| 09:25.46 | amro | texture coordinates? |
| 09:25.53 | clever | it 'works' either way |
| 09:26.00 | amro | or maybe for multitexturing |
| 09:26.09 | clever | i'm guessing its either overflow, or high/low res |
| 09:26.56 | clever | the tex0.adt files for kalimdor are ~628mb total, while the text1 are ~184mb |
| 09:27.38 | amro | tex1 could be additional detail |
| 09:27.55 | clever | yeah, ive noticed that ingame at times |
| 09:28.08 | clever | the detail is crap at first, until the hdd catches up |
| 09:28.25 | clever | but it has no visible impact on the mapviewer, and using both tends to make it crash hard |
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| 09:41.41 | clever | amro: hmmm, i can see where it loads the missing texture data |
| 09:41.53 | clever | but i cant see where it actualy saves it, its just a local variable:S |
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| 09:52.02 | clever | wonders off to bed |
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| 10:14.50 | mckenziemc1 | hey Torhal |
| 10:17.00 | Torhal | Yola, mckenziemc1 |
| 10:20.08 | airtonix | hey Torhal |
| 10:20.32 | mckenziemc1 | die airtonix |
| 10:20.39 | airtonix | hey mckenziemc1 |
| 10:31.24 | mikma | heh, Beavis and Butt-head season 8 rules xD |
| 10:32.23 | mikma | err, season 9* |
| 10:34.08 | airtonix | so after 8 seasons it's finally stopped being crap? |
| 10:34.53 | mikma | yeah, it had a small brainstorm pause |
| 10:35.37 | amro | clever: paste? |
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| 10:38.38 | harl | wuff |
| 10:44.14 | Fisker | hey harl |
| 10:44.16 | Fisker | hey amro |
| 10:44.20 | Fisker | not so hey airtonix |
| 10:44.31 | airtonix | oh |
| 10:52.31 | mckenziemc1 | hey Fisker |
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| 11:55.39 | foxlit | "http://wowui.***************/?p=mod&m=6444" |
| 11:55.59 | zenzelezz | brilliant... been searching for my earplugs all week, and I finally found them. As the first thing to fall out of the clothes dryer |
| 11:56.05 | foxlit | I wonder whose URLs wowi is being mean to. |
| 12:15.38 | Ycarene | Is there an addon that lets me filter a vendors items so it only shows items I can use and are useful to me? |
| 12:20.03 | Ycarene | nm, found one |
| 12:28.20 | airtonix | foxlit: worldofwar |
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| 15:36.46 | starlon | patents you all. |
| 15:43.13 | alestane | I'm prior art, sorry. |
| 15:51.00 | bluspacecow_ | <3 |
| 15:59.14 | starlon | There's more than one way to skin a cat. |
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| 16:07.49 | starlon | we'll see about that *grabs lazer pointer* |
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| 17:36.14 | Thunder_Child | XQD is not an ok format name. |
| 17:38.21 | bluspacecow_ | kk i go homes nows |
| 17:47.22 | Fisker | hey alestane ? |
| 17:51.16 | alestane | ...yes, Fisker? |
| 17:51.41 | Thunder_Child | it's a trap alestane |
| 17:52.25 | Fisker | just heying |
| 17:53.15 | Thunder_Child | lies Fisker, you don't just 'hey' with a '?' |
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| 17:54.28 | Fisker | it's because i'm not sure if hey? |
| 17:54.41 | Fisker | in case alestane don't responds |
| 17:54.50 | Fisker | i won't look like forever alone |
| 17:56.33 | BlueAckisFishMan | http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/world-junior-hockey/Hockey+family+helps+Turners+grieve+loss+beloved+patriarch/5878078/story.html |
| 17:56.35 | BlueAckisFishMan | Cairenn: ^ |
| 17:57.56 | Cairenn | ackis: nice :) |
| 17:58.16 | BlueAckisFishMan | thanks :) |
| 18:07.57 | BlueAckisFishMan | anyone here know how to load two ToR instances easily? |
| 18:08.23 | nevcairiel | use two PCs. :) |
| 18:09.17 | BlueAckisFishMan | silly nevcairiel that would require me to move from one desk to another :P |
| 18:10.31 | Cide | lies |
| 18:10.44 | Cide | not in the general case |
| 18:11.28 | BlueAckisFishMan | I want to craft on my wifes account and my account while playing wow on both our accounts |
| 18:13.25 | Thunder_Child | VM |
| 18:17.08 | Cide | hi Shirik |
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| 18:24.52 | foxlit | http://static.getdigital.de/images/produkte/t4/t4_Colorblind_poster.jpg << I'm amused. |
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| 18:26.31 | karl_w_w | ive never understood how those colorblind things work |
| 18:27.00 | karl_w_w | surely even if u cant see the colours u can still make out the 2 there |
| 18:28.17 | mckenziemc | not if their luminosities are the same |
| 18:28.47 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 18:28.50 | Dagmar | foxlit: That's _mean_ |
| 18:29.20 | Raimondas | It's not a 2, it's a Debian symbol |
| 18:29.58 | karl_w_w | i've seen 2s before :P |
| 18:30.12 | Dagmar | It's a random assemblage of dots. |
| 18:30.22 | foxlit | Dagmar: also available as a t-shirt. |
| 18:30.33 | Dagmar | That's just cruel |
| 18:31.06 | foxlit | For some reason I find it more amusing than mean or cruel. |
| 18:31.23 | Raimondas | It's a joke poster. There is no number. |
| 18:31.25 | Dagmar | I know i'm not color blind, and I had to go Google up some other charts to be sure |
| 18:31.49 | Dagmar | ...although I do know a guy who wears a similar shirt from T-Shirt Hell because the shirt was how he _found out_ he was colorblind |
| 18:31.54 | foxlit | But how do you know you got all of them? :) |
| 18:32.14 | Dagmar | foxlit: About a hundred or so optometrist vists |
| 18:32.18 | karl_w_w | ahh metacritic |
| 18:32.22 | karl_w_w | "There are no user reviews yet - It is not possible to submit a review prior to this game's official release. " |
| 18:32.38 | karl_w_w | where the US is the only country in the world |
| 18:32.56 | Dagmar | Bleh. Where's patch 1.4 for Skyrim. |
| 18:33.16 | Dagmar | I finally got Invisibility and there's some kinda rollover going on. |
| 18:33.44 | Dagmar | Muffle + Sneak == great. Muffle + Invis == bellowing showtunes while on fire |
| 18:34.15 | Dagmar | I was not impressed. |
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| 18:46.56 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder if anyone makes toy turing machines |
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| 19:02.00 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: like http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/the-lego-turing-machine.html ? |
| 19:02.34 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: http://legoofdoom.blogspot.com/ yeah |
| 19:02.49 | foxlit | But that one is kind of meh |
| 19:02.57 | Thunder_Child | so you make one |
| 19:03.45 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY |
| 19:03.46 | foxlit | imo |
| 19:04.14 | Fisker | mad Thunder_Child ? |
| 19:04.27 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: always |
| 19:04.29 | Thunder_Child | or never |
| 19:04.32 | Thunder_Child | i can never remember |
| 19:04.36 | Fisker | damn |
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| 19:19.22 | karl_w_w | http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&productId=8198552921666383670&langId=-1&XID=O:HMZT1:ggle:df&CAWELAID=993241250#additionalImage1%22 |
| 19:19.27 | karl_w_w | the future is finally here |
| 19:21.46 | Thunder_Child | i think i would define future as stuff like that being common place, which an $800 price tag does not suggest to me. |
| 19:22.05 | Thunder_Child | and out of stock |
| 19:22.27 | Adys | i would define future as stuff like that being from a manufacturer less horrible than sony |
| 19:22.29 | Adys | price looks fine to me |
| 19:22.57 | Thunder_Child | to the majority of people, $800 is far to much to pay for something like that |
| 19:23.11 | Adys | why? |
| 19:23.12 | Cide | doesn't have to be mainstream to be futuristic |
| 19:23.21 | Adys | it's just about twice the price of a tv of the same quality |
| 19:23.24 | Adys | it looks absolutely fine |
| 19:23.30 | Adys | its actually kinda cheap |
| 19:23.31 | Thunder_Child | thats why i said 'my' definion |
| 19:23.46 | Adys | in your definition, it's not the future if you're not part of it? |
| 19:23.54 | Thunder_Child | Adys: a tv is a family/group thing, this is personal |
| 19:23.57 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 19:24.12 | Thunder_Child | and no, that has nothing to do with it |
| 19:24.31 | Adys | not to enter philosophical discussions but a tv is quite the opposite of a family thing |
| 19:24.44 | Thunder_Child | i mean multiple people can use it at once |
| 19:25.03 | Adys | meh |
| 19:25.08 | Dagmar | Of course everyone wants to wear four cell phones on their heads |
| 19:25.44 | foxlit | " 1280x720" |
| 19:25.53 | foxlit | not even fullhd, demand refunds! |
| 19:26.11 | Dagmar | Frankly I think I'd rather just buy matching 24" panels and build a cowl with fresnel lenses |
| 19:26.57 | Thunder_Child | not very portable |
| 19:27.06 | karl_w_w | would even be possible to fit 1080p on such tiny screens |
| 19:27.11 | karl_w_w | +it |
| 19:27.13 | Adys | anyone familiar with the inner workings of rar format? |
| 19:27.34 | Dagmar | True, not very portable. But a 15g thing on your head would be unpleasant rather quickly |
| 19:27.57 | Maldivia | Adys: why ? |
| 19:28.02 | Dagmar | Especially for people who get "floppy ear syndrome" from Vent during raids |
| 19:28.13 | Adys | Maldivia: namely, split files |
| 19:28.28 | Adys | Maldivia: im trying to find a way to assign a mime type to rar part files |
| 19:28.33 | Dagmar | s/15g/15oz/ |
| 19:28.45 | Dagmar | adys: Ouch. |
| 19:28.59 | Dagmar | All I know to do is go by file extentions for that |
| 19:29.02 | Maldivia | Adys: Adys so part#.rar and .r## files? |
| 19:29.07 | Adys | yep |
| 19:29.16 | Adys | Maldivia: so wondering if they have a common header, magic, or completely static extension |
| 19:29.39 | Dagmar | Normally the thing uses the file db to identify stuff. |
| 19:29.46 | Adys | no |
| 19:29.47 | Dagmar | Those, afaik, don't have obvious header bytes |
| 19:29.49 | karl_w_w | application/x-rar-compressed ? |
| 19:29.51 | Adys | im in the freedesktop database |
| 19:29.55 | Adys | no no no |
| 19:30.05 | Adys | im adding a mime type to the fd.o database |
| 19:30.13 | Adys | so i can use filename regexes and stuff |
| 19:30.18 | Adys | and header magic |
| 19:30.24 | Arrowmaster | figure out how file identifies them |
| 19:30.31 | Dagmar | Adys: i hear you |
| 19:30.43 | Dagmar | I think filename regexps may be as close as you'll be able to get with that |
| 19:30.44 | Arrowmaster | its best to use header magic |
| 19:30.53 | Maldivia | Adys: rar files does have a magic marker you can check for |
| 19:31.11 | Adys | r00: RAR archive data, v1d, flags: Archive volume, os: Win32 |
| 19:32.32 | Adys | 556:0 string RE\x7e\x5e RAR archive data |
| 19:32.36 | Adys | thats from file |
| 19:32.53 | Maldivia | The rar magic header is "Rar!" as the first 4 bytes |
| 19:34.48 | Adys | grr |
| 19:35.05 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 19:35.10 | Adys | Rar! is on all files, including part files |
| 19:35.19 | Arrowmaster | rrow@tohsaka:~% echo 'Rar!' > rartemp |
| 19:35.19 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:~% file rartemp |
| 19:35.19 | Arrowmaster | rartemp: RAR archive data, |
| 19:35.46 | Dagmar | Bleh. I was going to look but apparently I uninstalled winrar |
| 19:35.48 | Maldivia | Adys: you can check the flags if the "first-file" flag is set - if it's not, then it's a part file |
| 19:36.14 | Adys | do you know if rar format supports more than 100 part files? |
| 19:36.18 | Adys | so 3-digit part files |
| 19:36.33 | Arrowmaster | it probably does |
| 19:36.44 | Dagmar | You don't have it installed, either? Heh |
| 19:36.51 | Adys | im on linux :P |
| 19:36.52 | Maldivia | Adys: it does. that's what the part# version was created, because r## only supported 100 |
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| 19:37.00 | Adys | Maldivia: ok that makes sense |
| 19:37.12 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: you mean 101 |
| 19:37.26 | Adys | 00-99 is 100 |
| 19:37.36 | foxlit | .rar is also created for multi-part achives |
| 19:37.38 | Arrowmaster | when .r00 is used the first one is .rar |
| 19:38.18 | Adys | so \.r\d\d$ and \.part\d+\.rar$ would englob all rar part files? |
| 19:38.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: oh ofc |
| 19:38.57 | Arrowmaster | Adys: do you want to separate the part files from the first files |
| 19:39.35 | Adys | .rar stays <application/x-rar>, and part files are <application/x-rar-part> |
| 19:39.48 | Maldivia | Adys: that should work |
| 19:40.01 | Arrowmaster | so whats .part1.rar |
| 19:40.22 | Adys | application/x-rar-part |
| 19:40.33 | Adys | matches \.part\d+\.rar$ |
| 19:40.56 | Arrowmaster | yet in the other type of multipart you are assigning application/x-rar to the first file |
| 19:41.17 | Adys | because there is no way around it |
| 19:41.35 | Adys | unless rar part files identify themselves clearly in the header |
| 19:42.29 | Maldivia | Adys: they do |
| 19:42.35 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any to test |
| 19:42.49 | Arrowmaster | but again, why are you using filenames to set mimetype |
| 19:42.52 | Arrowmaster | ITS WRONG |
| 19:43.11 | Adys | what? |
| 19:43.28 | Adys | its not me doing that its fd.o, and because it's necessary |
| 19:43.39 | Arrowmaster | wait what? |
| 19:43.48 | Arrowmaster | fd.o is using filenames to detect mimetype????? |
| 19:43.54 | Adys | its using both |
| 19:43.57 | Arrowmaster | WTF |
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| 19:44.11 | Adys | applications don't all have the luxury to scan the first x bytes of a file to output a mime type |
| 19:44.22 | Adys | fd.o is just a database |
| 19:44.39 | Adys | applications choose to query either magic or globs (file extensions mostly) |
| 19:45.01 | Adys | in my lib i implement both MimeType.fromName and MimeType.fromContent |
| 19:45.21 | Arrowmaster | hmm weird |
| 19:45.37 | Adys | what's weird? |
| 19:46.18 | Arrowmaster | well for the fromName you could check if its .part1.rar first and assign it x-rar, and if its .part\d+.rar but not part1 give it x-rar-part |
| 19:46.37 | Arrowmaster | if thats the same mimetypes that fromContent would give |
| 19:46.39 | Adys | wut |
| 19:46.58 | Adys | thats completely backwards |
| 19:47.05 | Maldivia | Adys: when readying the first 12 bytes of a rar file, you have [magic:4] [crc:2] [header type:1] [flags:2] [header size:2] |
| 19:47.34 | Maldivia | Adys: if flags & 0x100, then it's the first volume of a multi-volume rar |
| 19:47.49 | Adys | I can't check for that |
| 19:48.04 | Adys | it has to match a string of bytes |
| 19:48.12 | Adys | on a search as of offset x |
| 19:49.02 | Maldivia | and you can only check one place? |
| 19:49.22 | Adys | i can check anywhere in the file, search for as much as i want, but it has to match a static string |
| 19:49.38 | Adys | anyway its not worth it |
| 19:50.21 | Adys | Arrowmaster: basically, a rar-part that ends in .rar will be categorized as a rar file |
| 19:50.28 | Maldivia | well, it was if you could check first 4 bytes == Rar!, and then the 9th byte for either "\x0" or "\x1" |
| 19:51.02 | Adys | Maldivia: im not entirely sure i can do that, will see |
| 19:51.16 | Maldivia | Adys: the only other flag in that field is encrypted |
| 19:51.21 | Arrowmaster | personally i wouldnt be checking for magic stuff manually and would be using something else to do it for me |
| 19:52.00 | Adys | Arrowmaster: huh? |
| 19:52.14 | Arrowmaster | im saying i think you are reinventing the wheel |
| 19:52.25 | Adys | ... how am i possibly reinventing the wheel? |
| 19:52.31 | Adys | im adding an entry to fd.o db |
| 19:52.44 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 19:52.53 | Arrowmaster | well i dont know wtf then |
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| 19:57.55 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 20:01.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:01.55 | mckenziemc | hey Friske |
| 20:02.23 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
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| 20:18.14 | Fisker | hey alestane ? |
| 20:21.01 | alestane | is heyed. |
| 20:21.21 | Fisker | is glad |
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| 21:50.14 | airtonix | i need a music server that lets people vote for the next track to be played |
| 21:52.32 | mckenziemc | that's easy |
| 21:52.57 | mckenziemc | make an input form that doesn't actually do anything, and play Never Gonna Give You Up all the time |
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| 22:07.51 | kd3 | eesh. doing half of an average week's sales in ~12 hours is crazy |
| 22:08.31 | Fisker | hey kd3 ? |
| 22:08.44 | Fisker | what did you sell? |
| 22:08.46 | Fisker | Your virginity? |
| 22:08.48 | kd3 | coffee |
| 22:08.50 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 22:08.56 | mckenziemc | you should've told them to go away and come back later |
| 22:09.04 | Fisker | i once told you to go away and come back later mckenziemc |
| 22:09.07 | kd3 | I was strongly considering it |
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| 22:09.31 | Fisker | should've peed in the coffee |
| 22:09.48 | Fisker | the dudes who take care of food shops in the US would've shut you down |
| 22:17.17 | airtonix | mckenziemc: i think ampache might do it |
| 22:17.23 | airtonix | but php... ugh |
| 22:38.19 | Adys | anyone familiar with jquery? |
| 22:38.51 | kd3 | poke pcj? |
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| 23:33.02 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 23:39.15 | nicoli_s | Adys:i am |
| 23:40.00 | Adys | nicoli_s: solved it with offset() i guess |
