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| 01:18.18 | BlackNet | ok this is odd. IsVisible() returns true even if the frame is hidden |
| 01:20.10 | Trela | BlackNet: Lua's/Blizzard's spacial reality does not follow our reality. :D |
| 01:21.23 | BlackNet | i see that |
| 01:21.40 | BlackNet | i found this huge bug in the worldmapframe with skinning today. |
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| 01:24.46 | BlackNet | fullscreen worldmap and resizing it, doing a ToggleFrame(worldmapframe) yields an alt-z look |
| 01:29.46 | Sintacks | posted by the raid leader of my old guild on the guild's facebook page: |
| 01:29.47 | Sintacks | "LF NEW ROGUE (sintacks a dick), a mage, and a healer!" |
| 01:29.48 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 01:30.12 | Torhal | He's lying? |
| 01:30.18 | TC-Away | doubt it |
| 01:30.23 | Torhal | kk |
| 01:31.17 | Thunder_Child | people are quite bitter about people going to new guilds |
| 01:31.36 | Sintacks | even more so when you're a rogue and had 120 shadowy gems |
| 01:32.14 | Sintacks | and even even more so when there is another rogue in the guild that you left after getting a third of the gems needed for stage two |
| 01:32.45 | Torhal | So, basically, you're a dick? |
| 01:33.20 | Sintacks | i guess |
| 01:33.23 | Sintacks | that guild fucking sucked |
| 01:33.29 | Sintacks | and raid leader is a dick |
| 01:33.41 | Sintacks | so i rage quit. after i had already been recruited and accepted into another guild |
| 01:33.48 | Sintacks | on another server |
| 01:34.13 | Thunder_Child | that sounds like calculated quit, not rage quit |
| 01:34.29 | Sintacks | lol. well, when i quit, it was in rage |
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| 01:44.40 | mckenziemc | you come up tomorrow right? |
| 01:44.45 | mckenziemc | oops mistell |
| 01:44.58 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 01:45.06 | Thunder_Child | spill the beans mckenziemc! |
| 01:45.20 | mckenziemc | that's what happens when i don't put on my glasses! |
| 01:45.50 | Thunder_Child | you have a jar of beans you spill? |
| 01:46.07 | mckenziemc | maybe |
| 01:47.22 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 01:47.27 | Thunder_Child | wb Cairenn |
| 01:47.36 | Cairenn | Thanks tc |
| 01:48.20 | Cairenn | If anyone is interested (in my opinion) - the new Sherlock Holmes movie that just opened tonight was pretty good. |
| 01:48.47 | Thunder_Child | how does it compare to the first? |
| 01:48.57 | Cairenn | If you liked the first, you'll like this one fine too. |
| 01:50.45 | Gnarfoz | Adys: didn't Sigrie once have the feature to switch between builds? (i.e. what did spell/item/blah look like in build nnnnn?) Or am I imagining things |
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| 02:30.54 | Cide | Shirik halp |
| 02:31.17 | Shirik | Cide |
| 02:31.19 | Shirik | I am playing tor |
| 02:31.21 | Shirik | you are interrupting me |
| 02:31.23 | Cide | good |
| 02:31.27 | Cide | explain this |
| 02:31.28 | Shirik | this better be important |
| 02:31.31 | Shirik | or I will shoot lightning at you |
| 02:31.35 | mckenziemc | don't do it Shirik |
| 02:31.40 | Cide | my code won't compile |
| 02:31.48 | Shirik | it's probably python |
| 02:31.59 | Cide | it is C++ |
| 02:32.15 | Cide | any sequence of characters compiles in python |
| 02:32.23 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:32.55 | Shirik | hurry up with the question! |
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| 02:55.22 | Thunder_Child | firends should be more important than a game Shirik |
| 02:56.56 | Cide | word |
| 02:57.45 | mckenziemc | what if the game is his new friend |
| 02:58.35 | Cide | friends aren't transitive, reflexive or hereditary |
| 02:59.49 | pompy | http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=10150408488962131 |
| 03:00.11 | Thunder_Child | sometimes they try to be hereditary |
| 03:00.17 | Thunder_Child | and it's rather anoying |
| 03:06.47 | bleeter | Cide: I know who to blame for code compile fail |
| 03:06.58 | Cide | this time it was apparently my shift key |
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| 03:33.49 | kd3 | yay at the news that SOPA got delayed |
| 03:34.05 | kd3 | I'd hope that our congresscritters got some sense beaten into them, but I know better than that |
| 04:12.40 | Cide | until wednesday |
| 04:13.33 | kd3 | yup |
| 04:13.43 | Cide | not a very big delay! |
| 04:13.46 | Cide | anyway sleeps |
| 04:13.47 | Cide | later |
| 04:15.27 | mckenziemc | sleep is for swedes |
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| 04:53.38 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 04:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | we just 9 manned 4/8 DS |
| 04:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | minus a tank |
| 04:57.49 | kd3 | :( |
| 04:57.54 | kd3 | http://www.space.com/13966-space-shuttle-discovery-powered.html |
| 05:00.50 | Arrowmaster | still pissed we didnt get a shuttle at the national airforce museum |
| 05:10.19 | mckenziemc | in wow's chatlog, is there a way to check if the user clicked a hyperlink before they release the mouse button? |
| 05:21.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy |
| 05:22.00 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy Birthday jnwhitehead! |
| 05:22.31 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday jnwhiteh! |
| 05:26.54 | clever | trying to fix the wow map viewer and the adt files are oddly devoid of texture references |
| 05:27.19 | clever | however!, i just found _tex0.adt files, with what seems to be the same format! |
| 05:27.41 | clever | i also see why, 1.8mb for it! |
| 05:47.10 | clever | tadah!, i can now see tree's! |
| 05:48.33 | mckenziemc | i didn't know trees had exclamation marks |
| 05:48.53 | clever | mckenziemc: it looks like i fixed all 'complex' objects (trees, buildings, tunels) |
| 05:49.05 | clever | but the 'simple' object (flat ground) isnt fixed |
| 05:50.08 | clever | let me try stormwind! |
| 05:50.27 | clever | its got alot more complex objects |
| 05:50.34 | clever | nice!!! |
| 05:50.54 | clever | lol, it even has stray birds! |
| 05:51.07 | mckenziemc | nice |
| 05:51.35 | clever | and finaly, i can see where the mage tower is hidden!!!!! |
| 05:51.39 | clever | its under the tower! |
| 05:51.47 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 05:52.18 | clever | what the, i see a collecting of mis-colored tree's! |
| 05:52.53 | clever | i can even see half of elwynn forest in the stormwind map |
| 05:53.04 | clever | and westfall |
| 05:53.20 | clever | even the mine in westfall |
| 05:53.45 | clever | i think i know why the tree's are miscolored |
| 05:54.35 | clever | mckenziemc: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/Screenshot-10.png |
| 05:55.14 | clever | mckenziemc: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/Screenshot-11.png somethings wrong with the stormwind castle |
| 05:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually the old texture |
| 05:58.02 | clever | holy hell, darkmoon fair! |
| 05:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | that's what it looked like from beat until cata |
| 05:58.12 | Mr_Rabies | beta* |
| 05:58.25 | clever | Mr_Rabies: ah, thats probly because i dont have patch files working |
| 05:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | you could see it from certain places |
| 05:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | and it was a marked hideous thing |
| 05:58.58 | clever | you know those tents that are keep-out in darkmoon fair? |
| 05:59.06 | Mr_Rabies | check out the fake cathedral steeple from the sw gates |
| 05:59.25 | clever | Mr_Rabies: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/Screenshot-12.png |
| 05:59.25 | Mr_Rabies | there's a fake one that you can see from the gates, and a real one that's further back |
| 05:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | these screenshots take FOREVER to DL O_o |
| 05:59.54 | clever | low bandwidth and lack of compression do that |
| 05:59.58 | clever | but 12 is worth it |
| 06:00.06 | Dagmar | It's the walkie-talkies he's using for wireless |
| 06:00.34 | clever | 50kb/sec upload, already taxed on other things |
| 06:01.09 | clever | Mr_Rabies: looking.... |
| 06:02.11 | clever | Mr_Rabies: looks fine on the stormwind map, let me try the eastern kingdoms map (the game swaps over automaticaly) |
| 06:02.44 | Mr_Rabies | you can only see it from the gate iirc |
| 06:02.52 | clever | because the game changes maps on you |
| 06:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | it disappears unless you're at a certain angle |
| 06:02.57 | clever | the map viewer doesnt |
| 06:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | i used to be able to see it in the map viewer :O |
| 06:03.27 | clever | hmmm, 4fps |
| 06:03.34 | clever | give me time, lol |
| 06:03.44 | clever | looks fine from the gates also |
| 06:03.58 | clever | city is slightly red though |
| 06:04.23 | clever | but some of the far away buildings are very blocky |
| 06:04.34 | clever | your never supposed to see them that close up |
| 06:05.17 | kd3 | yah. pre-cataclysm stormwind is all hacks |
| 06:05.34 | clever | its got a special map just for stormwind |
| 06:05.37 | clever | so it doesnt have to load when your out of the city |
| 06:05.46 | clever | so the view from the outside map is more crude |
| 06:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | i think the stormwind map might actually be stockades |
| 06:06.16 | Mr_Rabies | or the other stockades-like instance that got scrapped |
| 06:06.34 | clever | nope, thats stormwindjail and it has just the entrance room |
| 06:06.47 | clever | this azeroth map has the full stormwind castle too |
| 06:06.50 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 06:06.56 | clever | but no inside |
| 06:07.12 | clever | just the ousside walls |
| 06:07.22 | clever | it switches maps before you get close enough to notice |
| 06:07.53 | clever | i can even see the portals to the cata zones |
| 06:08.13 | clever | let me try vashj! |
| 06:08.46 | clever | vashj on the azeroth map (probly just what you see on the horizon) |
| 06:08.59 | clever | or not |
| 06:09.21 | clever | and the water effect is missing, so i can explore things kinda as they where before sinking! |
| 06:09.31 | mckenziemc | LOL |
| 06:09.34 | mckenziemc | oops caps |
| 06:09.37 | kd3 | yah, vashj'ir should be fully implemented without the stormwind hackery |
| 06:09.55 | clever | i need to fix that texture bug next |
| 06:10.11 | clever | it has a giant list of texture files, and then refers to that list by index |
| 06:10.15 | clever | but its now split over 2 files |
| 06:10.19 | clever | the parsing doesnt handle it right |
| 06:10.37 | clever | so its indexing past the end of the array, i think |
| 06:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | i can turn off water on live servers by switching to directx 11 :P |
| 06:11.14 | BlackNet | ugh, PowerAuras has massive amounts of taints |
| 06:11.16 | clever | lol |
| 06:12.20 | clever | i see the entrance into the vashj dungeon! |
| 06:12.35 | clever | heh, cheaters! |
| 06:12.51 | clever | the top of the fall, is to the right (and above) the bottom of the vortex |
| 06:13.10 | clever | it was too tall to put it in the right spot |
| 06:15.23 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/kKf9x.jpg |
| 06:15.47 | Mr_Rabies | there's mirage raceway as of cata, minus water shader |
| 06:16.07 | clever | Mr_Rabies: that reminds me of when the boat landed up near dalaran crater |
| 06:16.15 | clever | let me open that zone |
| 06:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 06:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | hahahahaha |
| 06:16.22 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder why that happened |
| 06:16.32 | kd3 | "A wiziard did it." |
| 06:16.38 | clever | ive only ever had it happen once, but i saw a machinama making fun of it a few days ago |
| 06:16.40 | Mr_Rabies | okay, this loading screen is taking a while, and now it's loading EK....WHAT |
| 06:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | everyone gets dumped off in hillsbrad and most die via falling |
| 06:17.15 | clever | i dont remember if i died or not |
| 06:17.43 | kd3 | oops. the server saw you in an invalid spot and teleported you to one of the default locations (the other for the alliance is westfall) |
| 06:18.00 | kd3 | ah, memories of naxx in classic |
| 06:18.15 | clever | Mr_Rabies: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/Screenshot-14.png |
| 06:18.37 | clever | kd3: it happened to me in wrath |
| 06:18.49 | Arrowmaster | last time i ended up in hillsbrad like that there were many zeplins involved |
| 06:18.50 | clever | and why did it teleport the whole damn boat? |
| 06:18.54 | mckenziemc | i remember a horde zeppelin glitching once for me |
| 06:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | those screenshots straight up aren't working |
| 06:19.10 | clever | Mr_Rabies: let me upload it somewhere better |
| 06:19.21 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 06:19.22 | mckenziemc | oh, it wasn't a zepellin, it was a flight path i think |
| 06:19.25 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt just a zep for me, there were multiple zeps stuck up there |
| 06:19.28 | Mr_Rabies | there was this cave in silithus |
| 06:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | that if you died in it |
| 06:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | you'd wind up in the westfall GY |
| 06:19.51 | mckenziemc | got disconnected and when i logged back in i was at the org tower (old org) but me and all the npcs fell |
| 06:19.54 | Arrowmaster | silithus on the AQ PTR |
| 06:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | it took YEARS for them to finally really fix it |
| 06:20.18 | clever | Arrowmaster: thats what the machinama was joking about |
| 06:20.27 | Arrowmaster | if you died south of the wall you ended up in westfall GY or crossroads GY |
| 06:20.28 | clever | on the 3rd try to take a boat to aq, it landed in hillsbrad |
| 06:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/XlP0w.jpg |
| 06:20.37 | Mr_Rabies | there's thousand needles sans water |
| 06:21.08 | clever | the ground isnt working on my end yet, so its missing |
| 06:21.15 | Arrowmaster | since ive never seen thousand needles since cata it looks normal to me |
| 06:21.35 | clever | http://wow.earthtools.ca/Screenshot-14.png |
| 06:21.48 | clever | the buildings underwater have there normal animations! |
| 06:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | ooh |
| 06:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i found some screenshots |
| 06:22.17 | clever | but they added bubbles to the entrance of the gnome building |
| 06:22.31 | Mr_Rabies | there was a pretty interesting bug in the weeks before the post-shattering world was implemented that let druids use flight forms in pre-cata azeroth |
| 06:23.05 | Mr_Rabies | and i did some exploring and took some screens of key points i wanted to check post-cata |
| 06:23.11 | clever | ive found that it dis-mounts you when taking the boat from sw->northrend |
| 06:23.15 | clever | even though i can fly both |
| 06:23.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/oozaY.jpg |
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| 06:24.01 | clever | i just flew over that in the viewer |
| 06:24.08 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/tJrC9.jpg |
| 06:24.21 | Mr_Rabies | this is why implementing flying took so long :P |
| 06:24.22 | clever | wheres that? |
| 06:24.31 | Arrowmaster | thats zul'farrak |
| 06:24.37 | clever | oh, lol |
| 06:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | border of 1kneedles/tanaris |
| 06:24.42 | Mr_Rabies | right near ZF |
| 06:24.58 | Arrowmaster | not near, it IS ZF |
| 06:24.59 | clever | its fine now in my map, because i have the cata version |
| 06:25.01 | kd3 | oh, the old world was horrible about that |
| 06:25.18 | clever | i think i have a copy of wrath on my other pc |
| 06:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | AQ was a mess: http://i.imgur.com/9PQiy.jpg |
| 06:25.23 | clever | i should try messing with it |
| 06:25.34 | clever | lol |
| 06:25.40 | clever | thats the one simple object i dont have yet |
| 06:25.43 | clever | height maps |
| 06:25.45 | Arrowmaster | you should have seen AQ when we were on the PTR glitching behind the instance portals |
| 06:25.53 | kd3 | northern lordaeron is still a mess... if you try flying up there you'll hit invisible walls |
| 06:26.08 | clever | kd3: yeah, for ghostland |
| 06:26.11 | clever | let me peek up there next! |
| 06:26.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they were gonna implement ghostlands into azeroth but they didn't for some reason |
| 06:26.28 | Mr_Rabies | in 4.1 i think |
| 06:26.30 | kd3 | this is why: http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Stratholme_and_Deatholme.gif |
| 06:26.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah stratholme is huge and non-euclidean compared to the almost everything else |
| 06:27.01 | clever | kd3: ouch |
| 06:27.10 | kd3 | I think I made that map early in cata alpha when I got in |
| 06:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | oh wow |
| 06:27.26 | Mr_Rabies | that explains it kd3 |
| 06:27.38 | kd3 | if you look close at the towers in EPL you'll notice they're green |
| 06:27.50 | clever | ok, i see a weirdness |
| 06:28.16 | kd3 | the thing is. strat as it exists on the overworld is more or less how it is instanced |
| 06:28.25 | clever | http://wow.earthtools.ca/Screenshot-15.png |
| 06:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah a lot of early instances are modeled in-game |
| 06:28.42 | clever | the portal animation bug (covering the arch) is pre-existing |
| 06:28.45 | clever | the green box isnt |
| 06:28.53 | clever | thats the portal to ghostlands |
| 06:29.49 | clever | crashed again |
| 06:29.53 | clever | i need to fix textures |
| 06:30.16 | mckenziemc | working as intended! |
| 06:30.27 | clever | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.28 | clever | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.32 | clever | (quoted from code) |
| 06:30.41 | clever | its now spread over 2 .adt files |
| 06:30.50 | clever | so if you reference index 0, which one does it get? |
| 06:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | i did some exploring in quel'thalas way back when |
| 06:31.05 | Mr_Rabies | some interesting stuff out there |
| 06:31.21 | Mr_Rabies | huge queldorei statues and towers |
| 06:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | and massive thousand-foot pits just big enough to fall in but not big enough to easily see |
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| 06:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | i really miss that stuff :( |
| 06:32.07 | clever | lol |
| 06:32.25 | Mr_Rabies | being able to explore the world even before it was ready to be explored was so fun |
| 06:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | like the massive weirdness inside deadmines |
| 06:32.53 | Arrowmaster | there were huge holes on the sides on moonglade or whatever that zone was called |
| 06:33.27 | clever | ok, thats kinda weird |
| 06:33.39 | clever | tex0 has almost no textures in it, yet its 1.8mb |
| 06:34.01 | clever | tex1 has even less, and its 500kb |
| 06:34.03 | njbooher | I liked the construction sign at the end of the road in Hyjal |
| 06:34.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah i saw that personally a few times |
| 06:34.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TypwFz9CakA#t=175s (this should be fine since you can't do it anymore, right?) |
| 06:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh man, pre-cata hyjal was insane |
| 06:35.37 | kd3 | led tours to pre-cata hyjal, the old IF airport... under deadmines... |
| 06:35.41 | kd3 | crazy stuff |
| 06:35.46 | njbooher | You can still do it... |
| 06:36.04 | Arrowmaster | CoT was really awesome too, because there were no walls for floors |
| 06:36.16 | Mr_Rabies | CoT was nuts |
| 06:36.19 | kd3 | yup |
| 06:36.20 | Mr_Rabies | the hourglass was so broken |
| 06:36.36 | Arrowmaster | under deadmines was the only place i didnt go but i was horde |
| 06:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much explored it all |
| 06:37.05 | Arrowmaster | we went to the IF airport and feared ourselves up one of the tunnels and dropped down ontop of a building in IF once |
| 06:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | i even got to the "why are you all the way out here" island south of tanaris without cheating |
| 06:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | i forgot how |
| 06:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | and not doing the quest that takes you out there with AQ ofc |
| 06:37.43 | kd3 | there was one or two spots of non-fatigue water you could get to that would reset it |
| 06:37.46 | Mr_Rabies | i think i used the offhand that gave you faster swim speed or whatever? |
| 06:37.55 | Mr_Rabies | i forget |
| 06:38.00 | clever | Mr_Rabies: i dont see that on the map, but i do see one north west of the exodar |
| 06:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | exodar shouldn't be on the kalimdor map |
| 06:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's on the outland map afaik |
| 06:38.35 | clever | maybe i was thinking of he druid tree |
| 06:38.45 | clever | yeah, exodar is completely missing |
| 06:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | there's GM island out 'near' nordrassil |
| 06:38.55 | Mr_Rabies | i only went there once and left quickly because |
| 06:38.56 | clever | yes, 'near' |
| 06:38.59 | kd3 | way off to the northwest |
| 06:39.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, that's just asking for trouble |
| 06:39.07 | clever | 'near' asin 200 miles out to sea |
| 06:39.16 | clever | opens! |
| 06:39.27 | Arrowmaster | GM island is at like cords 0,0 or something |
| 06:39.35 | clever | hmmm, boat, dock |
| 06:39.37 | clever | buildings |
| 06:39.38 | Mr_Rabies | i never cheated to do this stuff though so i feel it's okay :P |
| 06:39.51 | clever | looks like the stormwind valor building |
| 06:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i found my way to places i wasn't supposed to go, but i didn't like, location hack or speedhack or anything like that |
| 06:40.02 | clever | but the basement has an exit |
| 06:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | development island was insane |
| 06:40.10 | kd3 | go underneath the basement |
| 06:40.12 | Mr_Rabies | totally bonkers |
| 06:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | oh, the room of shame |
| 06:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | with The Chair |
| 06:40.35 | clever | kd3: nothing there |
| 06:40.59 | kd3 | they took it out!? |
| 06:41.05 | clever | aha!, a room with a grid wall |
| 06:41.07 | clever | holodeck!! |
| 06:41.17 | kd3 | there it is |
| 06:41.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's an interrogation room |
| 06:41.24 | clever | thats not under the building |
| 06:41.27 | clever | its farther away |
| 06:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | oh there's that too |
| 06:41.42 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's like colinstest or something |
| 06:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | i've never made it there, but wowmapviewer is fun :P |
| 06:41.57 | clever | i tried colin test, it didnt work |
| 06:42.04 | clever | this one is behind the building |
| 06:42.13 | clever | Mr_Rabies: you got a compiler? |
| 06:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | programmer island was insane because it would change every few patches |
| 06:42.19 | Mr_Rabies | years ago |
| 06:42.35 | clever | let me commit this fix and give you the repo |
| 06:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | at one point programmer island was a portion of westfall with no doodads |
| 06:42.52 | Mr_Rabies | ehh don't worry about it for me for now |
| 06:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'll grab it once you're done with it :P |
| 06:43.20 | clever | ok |
| 06:43.25 | clever | now to figure out how terrain works |
| 06:43.28 | Mr_Rabies | anyway, programmer island was some of westfall with no doodads |
| 06:43.37 | clever | where was it? |
| 06:43.42 | Mr_Rabies | and later they added an untextured beta version of AQ |
| 06:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | a seperate instance map |
| 06:43.57 | Mr_Rabies | and they had stuff spelled in hay |
| 06:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty obvious that the WoW world builder is pretty damned close to WC3Edit |
| 06:44.16 | clever | lol |
| 06:44.22 | Mr_Rabies | with brushes for textures, etc |
| 06:44.51 | clever | the pre-cata 2d-ness made that easy |
| 06:44.58 | clever | you could just draw on the ground layer |
| 06:45.07 | clever | but the cata update may have changed that |
| 06:45.39 | Mr_Rabies | here's some unfinished stuff (seems to be running in a sandbox but tehy don't have any private server links or anything it seems, so that should be fine, right?) |
| 06:45.51 | clever | lol |
| 06:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't wanna piss off cairenn and cross some lines :( |
| 06:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGLWA3iox8 |
| 06:46.38 | clever | ah yeah, i can open the emerald dream again |
| 06:46.47 | clever | let me see what it looks like with the objects fixed |
| 06:47.01 | clever | insta-crash |
| 06:47.24 | clever | ok, found a 'safe' spot |
| 06:47.38 | clever | crash! |
| 06:47.44 | clever | ok, fixing time! |
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| 06:54.34 | clever | *** glibc detected *** /home/clever/wowmapviewer/bin/wowmapview: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x09cde538 *** |
| 06:57.48 | clever | no idea why, but its ALWAYS tex0, tex1, and obj0 |
| 06:57.56 | clever | no map strays from that patern |
| 06:58.57 | clever | ok, problem #1 |
| 06:59.12 | clever | all 4 files have MCNK data, but the loop wipes it on each pass |
| 06:59.24 | clever | what does it contain!, off to google! |
| 07:00.00 | clever | found map 451 development 1631 |
| 07:00.13 | clever | Mr_Rabies: the mapid from your video is still in the db file!! |
| 07:00.23 | clever | it may even be viewable |
| 07:00.41 | airtonix | boring |
| 07:01.53 | clever | that crater in the youtube video, 1:28 in |
| 07:01.57 | clever | found map 37 PVPZone02 1553 |
| 07:09.48 | clever | i think i found the problem |
| 07:09.54 | clever | the viewer doesnt parse the MCNK data |
| 07:10.03 | clever | it parses the index for it, which is missing from all 4 files |
| 07:12.35 | mckenziemc1 | is it possible to make a macro that uses your healthstone if you have one, and creates one otherwise? |
| 07:12.55 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Useful_macros_for_warlocks |
| 07:13.01 | clever | mckenziemc1: try just /use healthstone and /cast whatever |
| 07:13.12 | clever | the global cooldown will cause the cast to fail if your using one |
| 07:13.20 | clever | but it will silently fail if you dont, and cast |
| 07:13.46 | clever | i do the same thing with flight form, travel form, mount |
| 07:13.55 | clever | flight form fails, and it falls thru to the next, and the next |
| 07:14.04 | clever | GCD stops it from always landing at mount |
| 07:17.17 | mckenziemc1 | eww, gives two error messages if i'm at full health with a healthstone |
| 07:18.28 | mckenziemc1 | oh cool |
| 07:18.41 | clever | but otherwise it works? |
| 07:18.44 | mckenziemc1 | it can do both as long as i can use the healthstone |
| 07:18.50 | clever | ah, sweet |
| 07:18.54 | clever | no GCD on using then |
| 07:18.55 | mckenziemc1 | in one click |
| 07:19.15 | clever | and you can just jump/walk a tad if you want to cast a diff spell and not make a new one |
| 07:22.27 | mckenziemc1 | (low level dungeon) *tank dies* Tank: no heal?? *full-heirloom dps warrior starts tanking* warrior: no you just suck lol *warrior dies* |
| 07:23.34 | clever | mckenziemc1: ive tried that on ocasion with my dk in 85 heroics |
| 07:23.37 | clever | it sometimes works |
| 07:23.40 | clever | but thats just the plate gear :P |
| 07:23.58 | clever | and the healer really needs to be awake! |
| 07:27.10 | mckenziemc1 | later: *warrior need rolls on cloth chestpiece* |
| 07:27.35 | clever | lol |
| 07:27.58 | mckenziemc1 | oh well i wasn't even 2nd place roll |
| 07:29.14 | mckenziemc1 | is it possible for nameplate addons to only show a unit's health bar if their health is not full? |
| 07:29.50 | clever | probly posible |
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| 07:51.16 | airtonix | yes |
| 07:54.35 | mckenziemc1 | oh ok airtonix |
| 07:54.40 | mckenziemc1 | hides airtonix. |
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| 08:10.51 | clever | found my errors |
| 08:11.16 | clever | i think |
| 08:11.51 | clever | nvm |
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| 08:36.03 | Xinhuan | how do you translate "Enhanced Mailbox support" into Brazilian Portugese |
| 08:36.04 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 08:39.49 | nevcairiel | let some translator figure it out |
| 08:40.17 | Xinhuan | nah its in the toc file |
| 08:40.21 | Xinhuan | so i can't do that |
| 08:40.22 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 08:40.28 | Xinhuan | google translate to the rescue |
| 08:40.37 | Xinhuan | "Apoio caixa reforçada" |
| 08:40.40 | Xinhuan | should be right? :P |
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| 08:43.33 | nevcairiel | you can actually put translatioon tokens into the toc file |
| 08:44.00 | Xinhuan | really? |
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| 08:46.32 | nevcairiel | i've seen it used somewhere |
| 08:49.43 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/paste/4421/ |
| 08:50.31 | Xinhuan | heh i see |
| 08:50.42 | nevcairiel | in addition to that have a "ToC" namespace with a Title and Description phrase |
| 08:50.43 | Xinhuan | i'm not going to bother i guess |
| 08:51.01 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/sleepover.jpg |
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| 09:19.36 | mckenziemc1 | wonders where Fisker is |
| 09:20.44 | airtonix | at your mums house |
| 09:20.55 | mckenziemc1 | oh ok |
| 09:37.36 | mckenziemc1 | wait |
| 09:37.50 | mckenziemc1 | you can rename (effectively) your warlock minions now? O.o |
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| 10:05.54 | airtonix | no |
| 10:07.58 | haste | just respawn it with a new name |
| 10:08.26 | haste | basically the same thing as the abandon trick in classic |
| 10:08.47 | mckenziemc1 | --> effectively rename |
| 10:08.48 | batbot | mckenziemc1: @ [string "effectively rename"]:1: '=' expected near 'rename' |
| 10:08.51 | mckenziemc1 | what abandon trick? |
| 10:09.00 | mckenziemc1 | ~lart batbot |
| 10:09.00 | purl | gives batbot an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending batbot to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 10:09.18 | haste | you could use the abandon pet function for hunters on warlock pets to have them change name |
| 10:09.27 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
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| 10:25.57 | Adys | Gnarfoz: no, it didnt |
| 10:26.10 | Adys | i had it planned but left before i could finish it |
| 10:27.15 | Adys | i *believe* wowdb did have that though. nicoli_s? |
| 10:39.06 | clever | mckenziemc1: i see it! |
| 10:39.10 | clever | mckenziemc1: south of tanaris!! |
| 10:39.43 | mckenziemc1 | you mean Mr_Rabies? |
| 10:39.45 | clever | its as broken up as any other outdoor zone, but its in the data files! |
| 10:40.00 | clever | i forgot who mentioned it, and you seemed like a good guy :P |
| 10:40.08 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 10:40.11 | clever | i ran the viewer on the files from wrath |
| 10:40.18 | clever | old computer i stopped playing on |
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| 10:40.24 | mckenziemc1 | fine i'll take credit :D |
| 10:40.46 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 10:41.01 | mckenziemc1 | hey harl |
| 10:41.16 | harl | :) |
| 10:49.46 | mckenziemc | the dungeon finder's Leave Queue button appeared right under my mouse as i clicked |
| 10:49.54 | mckenziemc | luckily i right clicked not left ^^ |
| 10:54.56 | clever | yeah, there evil like that |
| 10:55.08 | clever | same thing with hitting escape to close your bag, right as you get summoned |
| 10:58.28 | clever | mckenziemc: neat, undercity is almost perfect |
| 10:58.36 | clever | due to being underground, it doesnt have the ground bug |
| 10:58.45 | clever | the 'missing' ground is over the 'roof' |
| 10:58.46 | mckenziemc | ground bug? |
| 10:58.51 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 10:58.55 | clever | the ground layer still doesnt work yet |
| 10:59.04 | clever | so all the buildings and tree's are floating |
| 10:59.57 | mckenziemc | every time! |
| 11:00.16 | mckenziemc | trees not tree's :P |
| 11:00.21 | clever | lol |
| 11:00.26 | mckenziemc | </grammer_nazi> |
| 11:00.41 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.43 | mckenziemc | grammar* :( |
| 11:00.50 | clever | lol |
| 11:01.14 | clever | i see a hint at how phasing works! |
| 11:01.35 | clever | UldumPhaseOasis, a small piece of the map |
| 11:01.41 | clever | same coords as the normal piece i think |
| 11:01.49 | mckenziemc | that's neat |
| 11:05.01 | clever | there it is, all 3 parts of the scarlet monestary |
| 11:11.34 | clever | mckenziemc: ahhh, yeah this clearly isnt current stormwind |
| 11:11.38 | clever | dwarven district isnt right |
| 11:11.57 | clever | lol, and part of stormwind keep is inside what is now the portal island |
| 11:12.03 | clever | right over the tram |
| 11:12.36 | clever | they really had to redocorate to make things fit |
| 11:13.42 | clever | ahh, the park too! |
| 11:13.51 | clever | i can revisit the park! |
| 11:18.52 | harl | i had stuff going on like the desolace map popping up with my map open when i was flying across borders nowhere near desolace |
| 11:19.13 | harl | also stormwind and other things popping up sometimes |
| 11:19.44 | clever | ive had addons do that to me on ocasion |
| 11:19.49 | harl | it's been like that as far as i can remember |
| 11:20.06 | harl | well, it's definitely not addon related in some cases |
| 11:20.45 | harl | far=long |
| 11:20.58 | clever | usualy its tomtom forcing the zoom on the current zone |
| 11:21.04 | clever | to get the right coords |
| 11:21.16 | clever | making it imposible to browse the map while flying |
| 11:22.06 | harl | bunch of other addons too - but it's not addon related if someone experiences the same thing without any addons |
| 11:25.00 | clever | weird |
| 11:25.08 | clever | all of the lights hanging in undercity |
| 11:25.11 | mckenziemc | not addon dependent* |
| 11:25.14 | clever | have mile-long chains |
| 11:25.24 | clever | shooting up into the sky over the city, lol |
| 11:25.42 | clever | i can see them sticking up almost like trees |
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| 11:30.58 | clever | bingo! |
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| 11:31.03 | clever | mckenziemc: iron forge is there! |
| 11:31.59 | clever | heh, one of the back doors, goes right over the tram and dead-ends |
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| 11:33.08 | clever | i see old iron forge, befre the king went there |
| 11:33.59 | harl | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.31 | mckenziemc | harl: how long has that guy who resets your demons been around? |
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| 11:37.49 | harl | reset my demons, mc? |
| 11:38.25 | mckenziemc | oh nvm that was haste |
| 11:38.30 | mckenziemc | haste: ^ |
| 11:38.45 | harl | ah |
| 11:40.18 | haste | mckenziemc: no idea, fairly new I think, 4.2/4.3 |
| 11:44.25 | harl | on a side note, i've been told by 2 (other) warlocks about their pets just disappearing (although not in combat, i think) |
| 11:44.40 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 11:44.50 | harl | they also may just not have enough experience with the game and all the situations when pets tend to disappear for everyone. |
| 11:44.59 | harl | idk |
| 11:45.02 | mckenziemc | ah |
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| 12:01.05 | karl_w_w | so there's stuff in my recycle bin |
| 12:01.12 | karl_w_w | which I don't have permission to delete |
| 12:01.41 | karl_w_w | tried to remember how takeown works |
| 12:01.46 | karl_w_w | tries* |
| 12:02.03 | mckenziemc | show windows who's boss: reformat |
| 12:02.09 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 12:05.01 | karl_w_w | and i cant restore them eithe |
| 12:05.02 | karl_w_w | r |
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| 12:08.44 | kullervo | i have this register key which adds a "Take ownership" option to the shell menu |
| 12:09.23 | kullervo | it's faster to use than any real utilities, imo |
| 12:09.29 | Fisker | can't stop me mckenziemc |
| 12:09.46 | mckenziemc | yay Fisker's back |
| 12:09.55 | Fisker | to tell you that you can't stop me |
| 12:10.06 | mckenziemc | oh ok |
| 12:11.56 | karl_w_w | kullervo: cool. sadly, doesn't work on things in the recycle bin :P |
| 12:12.16 | kullervo | really |
| 12:12.25 | kullervo | try the whole bin, then |
| 12:13.46 | karl_w_w | appeared to work but still cant do anything with the crap in there :P |
| 12:14.15 | kullervo | hmm. |
| 12:14.35 | kullervo | well I'm out of ideas, then |
| 12:15.06 | kullervo | How'd you end up in that situation? |
| 12:15.53 | mckenziemc | probably had a program that decided to be "helpful" by using the recycle bin when it deleted something |
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| 12:16.27 | dusf_ | people here arguing - can you guys remember the best team-mate for a rogue in wotlk before the update to cata? |
| 12:16.37 | dusf_ | frost mage, disc priest... some people are saying ferral dudu? |
| 12:16.41 | dusf_ | *feral |
| 12:20.47 | karl_w_w | interesting, I log in to the administrator account and the recycle bin is empty |
| 12:20.59 | kullervo | of course it is |
| 12:21.03 | kullervo | per-user |
| 12:21.26 | karl_w_w | its not the system drive |
| 12:21.48 | kullervo | still |
| 12:22.01 | kullervo | afaik. |
| 12:22.18 | karl_w_w | intwesting |
| 12:23.09 | karl_w_w | if i just delete the recycle bin will windows recreate it? :P |
| 12:23.20 | kullervo | you can't delete it |
| 12:23.53 | karl_w_w | you can |
| 12:24.03 | karl_w_w | but i get the same permissions errors on the stuff inside |
| 12:24.45 | karl_w_w | perhaps i dont |
| 12:24.53 | karl_w_w | seems to have worked |
| 12:25.40 | kullervo | mhm |
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| 12:58.01 | airtonix | you sound mad Fisker |
| 12:58.17 | karl_w_w | airtonix |
| 12:58.53 | karl_w_w | who runs phone lines in australia? telstra, optus, primus(?), anyone else? |
| 12:59.26 | airtonix | telstra owns the copper |
| 12:59.32 | airtonix | all of it |
| 13:00.20 | karl_w_w | nuh uh |
| 13:00.22 | Fisker | i own you |
| 13:00.42 | airtonix | reciept of purchase? |
| 13:01.04 | karl_w_w | In March 2008, all 7 judges in the High Court of Australia, the highest court of appeal in Australia, ruled that Telstra has the right to use the telephone lines, but does not own them.[58] |
| 13:02.44 | airtonix | i just farted |
| 13:02.48 | Fisker | umad airtonix ? |
| 13:04.02 | Adys | Cide, airtonix: https://plus.google.com/116965050091309960242/posts/5gVrGfsBrTU |
| 13:04.13 | Adys | and https://github.com/adys/python-mpq |
| 13:04.16 | Adys | finally done |
| 13:05.05 | karl_w_w | "Jerome Leclanche is using Google+. Join Google+ to connect with the people who matter most." |
| 13:05.12 | karl_w_w | you matter most to me Adys |
| 13:05.22 | Fisker | gets ready to install 8 seperate versions of python, installing linux and googling for 10 different libraries |
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| 13:10.23 | haste | so, the group kicked the tanks girlfriend, and we aren't able to kick the tank, which also refuses to leave/move |
| 13:10.26 | haste | lovely~ |
| 13:11.32 | haste | hurray, it left! |
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| 13:16.39 | Fisker | umad haste ? |
| 13:17.08 | haste | nah |
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| 13:18.37 | Fisker | hey BlueAckisFishMan |
| 13:18.39 | Fisker | damnit |
| 13:18.40 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:18.49 | bluspacecow | oh hey |
| 13:18.49 | Fisker | wanna kill all BlueAckisFishMan ? |
| 13:18.55 | bluspacecow | noooooooooooooo |
| 13:18.58 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 13:19.55 | Fisker | why not? |
| 13:20.53 | bluspacecow | he my brother |
| 13:20.54 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 13:21.01 | Fisker | no he isn't |
| 13:21.12 | bluspacecow | h8ter |
| 13:22.40 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 13:23.18 | Fisker | nope BlueAckisFishMan |
| 13:23.39 | Fisker | i'm definitely not a hateter |
| 13:23.50 | airtonix | why does collete marence sound like the only person in skyrim with an accent from Louisiana? |
| 13:24.10 | Fisker | no |
| 13:25.31 | bluspacecow | collate macarana ? |
| 13:32.04 | karl_w_w | hey macarena |
| 13:33.04 | BlueAckisFishMan | bluspacecow: hi dad! |
| 13:33.09 | bluspacecow | hi son! |
| 13:33.22 | dusf_ | is there an addon that will store multiple talent builds? |
| 13:33.31 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 13:33.33 | BlueAckisFishMan | @project talented |
| 13:33.34 | Repo | BlueAckisFishMan: http://www.wowace.com/addons/talented/. Talented. Game: WoW. jerry (Manager/Author). Updated: 170 days ago. Tickets: 16/171 |
| 13:33.41 | bluspacecow | have you looked into Talented ? |
| 13:33.48 | BlueAckisFishMan | slow dad! TOO SLOW |
| 13:33.58 | bluspacecow | that accepts a code string to put in the talent |
| 13:34.11 | bluspacecow | the code string can be one from wow's own talent calculators or wowhead |
| 13:34.40 | BlueAckisFishMan | I used to use talented but then I took an arrow to the knee |
| 13:34.43 | Fisker | hey BlueAckisFishMan |
| 13:34.43 | Fisker | die |
| 13:34.45 | Fisker | DIE DIE DIE |
| 13:34.47 | haste | I like how weechat decided to color BlueAckisFishMan, blue |
| 13:34.59 | BlueAckisFishMan | why die Fisker? |
| 13:35.00 | bluspacecow | not sure if it will save arbitary ones for you. been a while since i've had to use it |
| 13:35.01 | Fisker | webchat haste ? |
| 13:35.02 | Fisker | PLS |
| 13:35.08 | Fisker | because BlueAckisFishMan |
| 13:35.09 | haste | Fisker: weechat is best chat! |
| 13:35.18 | bluspacecow | push comes to shove dust may just have to have a text file of the spec codes |
| 13:35.34 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:35.35 | Fisker | weechat |
| 13:36.16 | dusf_ | BlueAckisFishMan bluspacecow ty |
| 13:36.33 | bluspacecow | oh soz |
| 13:36.48 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.36 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: I thought you learned about tab complete the other day? :D |
| 13:37.46 | bluspacecow | yeah i did |
| 13:37.49 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 13:37.49 | bluspacecow | i r noob |
| 13:37.57 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 13:38.01 | Fisker | hey? |
| 13:38.19 | dusf_ | did wowace stop hosting files at one point? |
| 13:38.21 | dusf_ | addon files |
| 13:43.22 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 13:43.28 | kullervo | dusf_: yeah, some years ago |
| 13:43.48 | bluspacecow | wowace is part of the curse network now |
| 13:44.14 | bluspacecow | they were pretty much contributing bandwith to kaelten anyway |
| 13:44.20 | dusf_ | cool thanks |
| 13:44.25 | bluspacecow | they just made it more official as far as im aware |
| 13:44.28 | dusf_ | i like how wowace keeps so many different versions |
| 13:45.49 | airtonix | LOLHASTE |
| 13:46.32 | airtonix | dusf_: umad? |
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| 13:51.47 | haste | nice fail Fisker |
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| 14:15.30 | Fisker | i failed you haste |
| 14:26.39 | airtonix | anyone used amazons route53 ? |
| 14:29.13 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:33.37 | Stanzilla | why Fisker |
| 14:33.44 | Stanzilla | does agent.exe hate my pc so much |
| 14:35.11 | Fisker | don't do it |
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| 14:50.40 | Stanzilla | Fisker: new patch feels good though |
| 14:50.45 | Stanzilla | more polished |
| 14:51.06 | Fisker | you are a new patch |
| 14:51.11 | foxlit | Someone patched Fisker? |
| 14:52.00 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.05 | bluspacecow | is the D3 servers up yet ? |
| 14:52.11 | Fisker | BlueAckisFishMan |
| 14:52.14 | bluspacecow | Fisker 3.14 ! Make it so! |
| 14:52.15 | Fisker | I WILL DESTROY YOU |
| 14:52.20 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 14:52.28 | bluspacecow | Fisker's version is Pi |
| 14:52.43 | bluspacecow | 'cause |
| 14:53.07 | bluspacecow | everytime you think you've properly calculated it to the nth place he's like trolfface.jpg "go deeper" |
| 14:53.12 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: yes |
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| 15:06.40 | BlackNet | anyone know why UIFrameFadeIn causes massive taints in combat? |
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| 15:11.34 | BlackNet | oh gads |
| 15:12.07 | bluspacecow | because |
| 15:12.08 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 15:12.19 | bluspacecow | ~whalenuke UIFrameFadeIn |
| 15:12.19 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around UIFrameFadeIn with his mind powers. |
| 15:12.19 | BlackNet | tained from blizzards code |
| 15:12.27 | dusf_ | man, skype makes a hell of a difference in arena! |
| 15:12.59 | BlackNet | going over my taintlogs for some stuff im working on. good god the taints it throws in combat |
| 15:15.05 | BlackNet | looks like out and in = megga epic taint |
| 15:16.37 | airtonix | hey Fisker, i'm a ninja |
| 15:16.50 | airtonix | at four frames a second |
| 15:17.18 | BlackNet | look on the bright side, your OnUpdate does not fire that often :) |
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| 15:31.46 | karl_w_w | has never understood why people want to play games like D3 in beta |
| 15:32.06 | karl_w_w | wouldnt u prefer to wait and get the enjoyment of the finished product? |
| 15:34.37 | bluspacecow | it's only a smidigin of act 1 |
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| 15:48.39 | alestane | Anyone know a two-syllable transitive verb for bidding farewell? |
| 15:54.25 | foxlit | by-eee? |
| 15:54.53 | alestane | I rephrased it. |
| 15:56.38 | wereHamster | karl_w_w: don't you know that beta releases are part of the actual game? If you don't play the betas you can't claim that you played the game through from start to end |
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| 16:21.09 | amro | LoL is pretty expensive |
| 16:21.10 | amro | people actually pay? |
| 16:21.28 | Fisker | amro |
| 16:21.51 | amro | Fisker? I hardly know 'er! |
| 16:30.18 | Fisker | i will kill you alestane |
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| 16:36.56 | Thunder_Child | amro: as in league? |
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| 16:43.56 | amro | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 16:45.30 | amro | which nordic flag is the one with a blue cross in a white cross on red? |
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| 16:52.48 | nevcairiel | norway |
| 16:56.22 | Cide | iceland? |
| 16:56.33 | Cide | norway does not have a white cross |
| 16:56.43 | Cide | oh |
| 16:56.46 | Cide | I got it the other way around |
| 16:56.48 | Cide | it is norway -_- |
| 16:58.05 | haste | Norway is bestway! |
| 16:59.23 | Fisker | haste |
| 16:59.25 | Fisker | wanna lol? |
| 16:59.34 | Fisker | http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/380516_10150406822026137_173503606136_8436490_1165202928_n.jpg |
| 17:02.45 | haste | Fisker: what? |
| 17:02.49 | Fisker | get it? |
| 17:02.53 | haste | no :( |
| 17:03.20 | Fisker | why not? |
| 17:03.25 | haste | massive online battle arena, the f? |
| 17:03.32 | Fisker | no |
| 17:03.39 | Fisker | dude haste |
| 17:03.49 | Fisker | the concept art is from Dota 2 |
| 17:03.52 | Fisker | Not Blizzard Dota |
| 17:03.53 | Fisker | GET IT?! |
| 17:04.03 | haste | how would you expect me to know that! |
| 17:04.08 | haste | s/w/c/ |
| 17:04.13 | haste | ffff |
| 17:04.22 | Cide | HOW WOULD YOU EXPECT |
| 17:04.24 | Cide | damnit |
| 17:04.27 | Fisker | being alive and owning a computer connected to the internet haste |
| 17:04.45 | Cide | I can't even misspell when I want to |
| 17:04.49 | haste | :D |
| 17:05.20 | haste | but my computer runs linux Fisker! It can do fun stuff |
| 17:07.12 | Stanzilla | *can't |
| 17:07.43 | haste | gives up. |
| 17:08.48 | Cide | owned |
| 17:09.08 | Fisker | ^^ Stanzilla |
| 17:10.09 | Cide | http://i.imgur.com/PZES3.png |
| 17:10.20 | Cide | a baller on a budget yo |
| 17:25.22 | amro | jnwhiteh Cide halp |
| 17:25.27 | amro | s2 screwed me over on the UI |
| 17:28.33 | karl_w_w | H spine down |
| 17:28.56 | karl_w_w | 25 man by some koreans |
| 17:32.15 | Cide | amro: hi |
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| 17:42.50 | Fisker | jnwhiteh is awesome |
| 17:43.17 | Cide | me too |
| 17:43.50 | Fisker | nah |
| 17:43.57 | Cide | yes |
| 17:43.58 | Cide | nou |
| 17:44.00 | Cide | no |
| 17:44.06 | Cide | false, true, or both? |
| 17:44.14 | Fisker | you're ok for a lesbian frog Cide |
| 17:44.18 | Fisker | but you're not awesome |
| 17:44.19 | Cide | why thank you |
| 17:44.22 | Cide | I am honored |
| 17:45.27 | Fisker | funny |
| 17:46.10 | Fisker | a few months ago there was an article on how police here wouldn't accept any "find my iphone" "evidence" because the location is too unstable to prove who it is |
| 17:46.22 | Fisker | now they just catched one with it |
| 17:46.23 | Fisker | bam |
| 17:48.13 | Cide | I think I read that article |
| 17:48.24 | Cide | but it was because the house was shared by multiple people |
| 17:48.37 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:48.42 | Fisker | and not "shared" |
| 17:48.58 | Cide | yes |
| 17:48.58 | Fisker | simply because the signal is accurate down to x meters |
| 17:49.14 | Cide | your mom is accurate down to x kilometers |
| 17:49.18 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:49.30 | Cide | I am here all day |
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| 17:51.26 | bluspacecow | how long's the v4 curse client been out ? |
| 17:51.54 | Cide | slightly shorter than forever |
| 17:54.00 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:55.02 | bluspacecow | friskery fisker! |
| 17:55.12 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
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| 18:09.53 | BlueAckisFishMan | ~wowspell 3926 |
| 18:09.53 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=3926 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=3926 |
| 18:10.44 | A-KO | http://youtu.be/LF9Qk6m_b74?hd=1 |
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| 18:19.29 | zenzelezz | gah... was wondering why linux wouldn't play sound anymore. Shut down all processes that had accessed it, started trailing the web looking for related problems |
| 18:19.46 | zenzelezz | turned out my headphones had died after I rolled my chair over the cord one too many times |
| 18:20.09 | zenzelezz | first pair of headphones I've had that couldn't survive that |
| 18:20.27 | Xinhuan | wires aren't meant to be rolled over :P |
| 18:20.47 | Cide | get G930 |
| 18:20.48 | Cide | no wires! |
| 18:21.06 | Cide | s/wires/cords/ |
| 18:21.50 | zenzelezz | no, and I don't mean to... but I'm very surprised these ones died. The cable appears to have much more protection (as in, it's two times the size of the cords on my other headphones), but I guess that didn't translate into safety |
| 18:22.21 | zenzelezz | Cide: you use those? |
| 18:22.33 | Cide | yes |
| 18:22.37 | Cide | I love them |
| 18:22.52 | zenzelezz | how long do they last before you need to charge/change batteries? |
| 18:23.01 | Cide | 10 hours or so (constant use) |
| 18:23.15 | Cide | they power down automatically if they don't receive any sound over like 15 minutes |
| 18:23.19 | zenzelezz | not too shabby then |
| 18:23.38 | Cide | basically the receiver is the size of a usb flash drive |
| 18:23.54 | zenzelezz | how large are they really; do they encase your ears entirely? |
| 18:23.57 | Cide | yes |
| 18:24.07 | Cide | and they have really good sound isolation |
| 18:24.23 | Cide | my girlfriend has to scream to reach me if I listen to music |
| 18:24.43 | Cide | you can charge them while using them via micro-usb |
| 18:24.50 | Xinhuan | that's usually a bad thing :P |
| 18:24.55 | Cide | good thing imo :P |
| 18:25.12 | zenzelezz | isolation isn't my primary concern; headphones that don't completely encase my ears tends to make them hurt after a few hours. The ones I just ruined were the only ones I've had so far that didn't squash my ears against my glasses |
| 18:25.21 | zenzelezz | I might give them a go; thanks for the tip Cide |
| 18:25.29 | Cide | and you get a charger station that 1) has a usb slot for the receiver and 2) has a micro-usb cord that you can fold around the charger station so it doesn't take up space otherwise |
| 18:25.37 | Cide | the charger station is really awesome really |
| 18:25.55 | Cide | and the headband length is adjustable so they fit pretty much everybody |
| 18:26.40 | Cide | I had some slight issues with interference on the 2.4ghz band with my wireless router earlier where if I downloaded in like 3-4 mb/s it would distort the sound |
| 18:27.14 | Cide | but I think that was because my ethernet cable was loose and the router also passed the data over wifi |
| 18:27.23 | Cide | in any case it's gone now |
| 18:27.53 | haste | zenzelezz: http://www.dustinhome.no/sennheiser-rs-220-wireless-headphone/product/5010615119 these are great wireless headphones at least |
| 18:29.16 | haste | zenzelezz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA7RIfpKSh8 |
| 18:30.54 | zenzelezz | haste: those are somewhat more expensive, but thanks for the tip. I'll definitely have to poke around before settling on a set (and until then I'm stuck with these horrible $50 ones) |
| 18:32.02 | zenzelezz | given how often I've had my chairs running over the cords on all my headsets, I should've secured the cords from the roof or something |
| 18:32.30 | Cide | I don't think I will go back to corded headsets now |
| 18:32.56 | Cide | I kept having to replace them because the cord kept getting trashed |
| 18:33.02 | Cide | after like a year or two |
| 18:33.34 | zenzelezz | I've been reluctant about cordless ones for a long time; but I think that's the issue... the long time. By now things should be much better than they used to be |
| 18:33.48 | zenzelezz | and I do have several friends who swear by cordless ones |
| 18:34.00 | Cide | nod |
| 18:37.34 | Fisker | haha wat? |
| 18:37.37 | Fisker | That there korean guild |
| 18:38.00 | Fisker | has 28 dragonwrath legendaries? |
| 18:38.01 | Fisker | wut? |
| 18:40.02 | zenzelezz | hm, the product page for my (broken) headphones says they have a two-year warranty... wonder if that covers me ruining the cable |
| 18:42.37 | zenzelezz | doesn't look like it :-p |
| 18:43.53 | Cide | Fisker: they made firelands a 3/4-day reset in korea |
| 18:44.00 | Cide | so you had 2 resets per week |
| 18:44.14 | Cide | but 28 sounds insane indeed |
| 18:44.20 | Cide | unless they did insane numbers of alt runs |
| 18:44.25 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 18:44.27 | Cide | which they probably did |
| 18:44.30 | Fisker | why the fuck didn't they ever do that here |
| 18:44.32 | Fisker | dicks |
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| 18:47.09 | Cide | word |
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| 18:53.18 | karl_w_w | wow, looks like they 3 heal H spine |
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| 19:13.23 | Cide | that's fucked up |
| 19:16.44 | karl_w_w | i love people trying to find reasons to invalidate it |
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| 19:37.42 | nevcairiel | 3 in 10 or 25? :p |
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| 19:48.47 | Cide | 25 |
| 19:49.53 | nevcairiel | Thats something i always hated about raiding, you always try to minimize healers, and the raids usually are designed in a way to force that |
| 19:50.39 | nevcairiel | You basically have no choice but to look for people that are also willing to dps once they are not needed as healers anymore |
| 19:51.00 | Cide | goes the other way around also, but not as often |
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| 19:51.08 | Cide | it's rare that you need over 6-7 healers |
| 19:51.40 | Cide | but when you push progression it's more common that you lack gear to meet dps checks since damage is often avoidable if you play extremely well |
| 19:52.04 | Cide | so you can get by with people playing extremely well and minimizing incoming damage, but outgoing damage is always going to be a factor of number of dpsers and gear |
| 19:52.07 | nevcairiel | That really annoyed me every tier, at first you run with 7 healers, then you kill the boss twice, and you shave one off already |
| 19:52.29 | Cide | shrug |
| 19:52.32 | Cide | we didn't do that usually |
| 19:52.38 | nevcairiel | and of course the real dps'er dont want to give up a spot for that respeced healer |
| 19:52.42 | Cide | often heroics require you to drop down a healer (10 man, so 3->2) |
| 19:53.00 | Cide | but I just switched from disc to shadow so /shrug |
| 19:53.05 | Cide | not a huge deal to me |
| 19:53.18 | nevcairiel | 10 man has a whole lot of other issues |
| 19:54.12 | PProvost | Which API should I use to figure out if I'm in an LFR instance? I see things like IsPartyLFG and IsInLFGDungeon. Suggestions? |
| 19:54.35 | nevcairiel | I dont think there is a real API, you can piece it together from some infos though |
| 19:54.35 | A-KO | I'd probably use IsInLFGDungeon |
| 19:54.43 | Cide | if BossIsFaceRoll("target") then --[[LFR]] end |
| 19:54.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 19:55.14 | A-KO | see, the funny thing is, they think making wow easier will quell the mass exodus |
| 19:55.15 | Stanzilla | IsFaceRoll("boss1") :P |
| 19:55.30 | A-KO | instead it will have little to no effect |
| 19:55.40 | Cide | they think making lfr more accessible will get more people into raiding |
| 19:55.48 | Cide | and they are absolutely right |
| 19:55.52 | Cide | LFR is really well done |
| 19:55.58 | Cide | I don't get why people cry so much |
| 19:56.06 | bluspacecow | Fisker |
| 19:56.08 | A-KO | they don't care about getting people into raiding, they care about getting people to continue to pay money for the game |
| 19:56.09 | nevcairiel | i have yet to try LFR |
| 19:56.16 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 19:56.17 | Cide | they are a company |
| 19:56.17 | bluspacecow | 'cause |
| 19:56.18 | bluspacecow | I |
| 19:56.19 | nevcairiel | i'm playing SWTOR now. :d |
| 19:56.29 | nevcairiel | A-KO: thats the same thing |
| 19:56.39 | nevcairiel | more easily accessible content = more happy players |
| 19:56.45 | Cide | the company cares about number of subscribers |
| 19:56.50 | Cide | or the publisher does anyway |
| 19:56.54 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I guess what I'm saying is, I disagree with the sentiment that easier content leads to continued or an increase in subscribers |
| 19:56.57 | Cide | the developers just want to make players enjoy the game |
| 19:57.05 | Cide | it's not easier content |
| 19:57.10 | nevcairiel | increase probably not |
| 19:57.18 | Cide | if they made everything easier I would agree |
| 19:57.22 | A-KO | they've been beating this drum for years |
| 19:57.22 | Cide | but they added another step on the ladder |
| 19:57.28 | A-KO | RAIDS MORE ACCESSIBLE |
| 19:57.30 | nevcairiel | but it does offer something new for those people that have no interest or time to find a organized raid |
| 19:57.32 | A-KO | WATCH US LOSE 3M PLAYERS |
| 19:57.35 | Cide | yes, because they did not have LFR |
| 19:57.53 | Cide | they wanted to cater to the LFR crowd without having an LFR difficulty |
| 19:58.06 | nevcairiel | I see that as a positive, now that they have LFR, maybe they won't make the normal raid version so incredibly boring and easy |
| 19:58.07 | Cide | it wasn't about "LET'S MAKE IT EASY GUYS" |
| 19:58.12 | Cide | exactly |
| 19:58.27 | Cide | they added another step on the ladder and that is extremely positive |
| 19:58.36 | nevcairiel | although i doubt i'll ever be raiding again |
| 19:58.40 | Cide | normal mode is on par with previous raids and heroic mode on par with previous raids |
| 19:59.05 | A-KO | building raids when LFR is available makes building them extremely difficult |
| 19:59.14 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 19:59.19 | Cide | says who |
| 19:59.23 | Cide | I don't hear blizzard developers say it |
| 19:59.24 | nevcairiel | but the people that do join are really there to do it properly |
| 19:59.33 | nevcairiel | which solves some issues raids previously had |
| 19:59.49 | nevcairiel | (at least mine) |
| 19:59.51 | Cide | LFR doesn't cater to people that I would ever want in my raid group |
| 20:00.03 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I disagree, they're there to get loot as easily as possible. Once they're done with LFR variants of loot they'll move on to the raiding loot, it doesn't really solve it. |
| 20:00.13 | A-KO | it just delays things |
| 20:00.13 | Cide | most people don't raid to get loot |
| 20:00.17 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:00.17 | Cide | they do it for the challenge |
| 20:00.23 | Cide | maybe you are different |
| 20:00.36 | nevcairiel | every raid has those for-the-loot people, but they can go LFR now |
| 20:00.40 | A-KO | I completely disagree with that. In almost all raids, it's only a SMALL number of people that are there for the challenge--everyone else is filler |
| 20:00.49 | Cide | maybe in your raids? |
| 20:01.00 | A-KO | unless you're in the super tier raid groups, but as far as my server's gone for 7 years, that's about how it's been. |
| 20:01.04 | nevcairiel | I always raided for the challenge, but we sure had our number of people only there for the loot |
| 20:01.13 | Cide | same |
| 20:01.16 | A-KO | you have those 5-10 that really want stuff, everyone else was there for upgrades |
| 20:01.18 | nevcairiel | which most of the time was the reason for a fallout sooner or later when progress was slow |
| 20:01.19 | Cide | and most all of the people in my raid |
| 20:01.41 | Cide | as a healer I don't really get the loot crowd |
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| 20:01.49 | nevcairiel | moar dps |
| 20:01.57 | Cide | it just leads to the End Time scenario |
| 20:02.03 | Cide | yay I get permanent bloodlust and infinite mana |
| 20:02.13 | Cide | still only do 15k healing per second because nobody takes damage |
| 20:02.22 | A-KO | I think you vastly overestimate the amount of people that ctually *want* to raid for any sort of difficulty or challenge. In fact, I would argue the number is so small in comparison I would imagine blizzard may start nuking heroic modes at some point because the % of people doing them is so small. |
| 20:02.23 | nevcairiel | I still am excited when i get new stuff, but its not the reason i raided |
| 20:02.39 | Cide | pushing higher numbers is not what raiding is about for me at all |
| 20:03.05 | Cide | while your point may be true (I don't think it is), your argument is senseless |
| 20:03.39 | nevcairiel | In the two guilds i was in, there was always this conflict between people that want progress, and people that want loot, at some point it either destroyed the guild (in the first case), or my motivation (in the second case) |
| 20:03.43 | Cide | the reason most raids don't do heroics is because it's difficult |
| 20:03.48 | Cide | i.e. they are not up to the challenge |
| 20:04.17 | PProvost | I like to thin of challenges as things that make me think |
| 20:04.34 | Cide | that's an extreme oversimplification |
| 20:04.43 | PProvost | Things that make me execute a precise dance of moves, 1000 steps long, with zero mistakes... that's just annoying |
| 20:04.49 | Cide | it's still challenging |
| 20:04.54 | Cide | super meat boy is very challenging |
| 20:04.57 | Cide | yet you don't think |
| 20:04.57 | PProvost | Yeah, fair. But I don't like it. |
| 20:05.05 | Cide | that is a different issue :P |
| 20:05.10 | PProvost | It fails the "where's the fun in that" test |
| 20:05.19 | Cide | sure |
| 20:05.32 | Cide | I'm usually pretty good at executing the same steps over and over |
| 20:05.43 | Cide | I rarely screw up even during progression |
| 20:05.46 | PProvost | Yeah I'm not too bad at it. But it isn't fun. |
| 20:05.59 | PProvost | It isn't a challenge that I find enjoyable |
| 20:06.00 | Cide | but I find it interesting to develop a working strategy, figure out ways to deal with mechanics, etc |
| 20:06.04 | PProvost | Yes |
| 20:06.06 | PProvost | Now I agree |
| 20:06.20 | PProvost | That is what I like about raiding |
| 20:06.36 | Cide | the sitting around for 50 attempts for everybody else to execute what is ultimately pretty simple is annoying but I can live through it |
| 20:06.52 | PProvost | lol |
| 20:06.54 | nevcairiel | I used to be able to do that |
| 20:06.58 | Cide | and scream at the idiots in the meantime |
| 20:07.07 | A-KO | if they nuked normal modes and made heroic loot significantly more rewarding, and just had LFR, I could see it sustaining |
| 20:07.22 | A-KO | LFR and heroic, no normal. |
| 20:07.24 | nevcairiel | but in the end, when i noticed people didn't even try properly, and we relied on luck for those people not to be in a position to have to do it ... that was the end for me. :) |
| 20:07.26 | Cide | there's a big use case for normal mode as well |
| 20:07.28 | A-KO | you either want to raid with a team or you don't :P |
| 20:07.42 | Cide | I raided with Shirik's team |
| 20:07.46 | Cide | Shirik don't hate me now |
| 20:07.53 | Cide | and they weren't the best players in the world |
| 20:07.57 | Cide | but they weren't in it for the loot |
| 20:08.05 | Cide | and normal mode proved challenging enough |
| 20:08.09 | nevcairiel | You don't have to be good, you just have to try |
| 20:08.14 | nevcairiel | and be commited |
| 20:08.18 | PProvost | +1 |
| 20:08.21 | foxlit | "A-KO: if they nuked normal modes and made heroic loot significantly more rewarding, and just had LFR" << You can't do that |
| 20:08.29 | foxlit | Either heroic gear would trivialize heroic modes |
| 20:08.38 | foxlit | Or you'd have no way to get into heroic modes due to lack of gear. |
| 20:08.59 | nevcairiel | I don't mind if someone hasnt played for 6 years, and doesn't know everything, but they at least have to try and want to improve |
| 20:09.06 | nevcairiel | Can't stand those people that just tag along. :p |
| 20:09.10 | A-KO | foxlit: I disagree, that said, I don't think people should be able to completely deck out 100% in that tier of loot before the next dungeon increase |
| 20:09.16 | A-KO | but that's a different issue |
| 20:09.32 | BlackNet | which tier |
| 20:09.44 | PProvost | The problem is that it has to be a progression. But to make the heroics hard enough for the advanced players/guilds puts it out of reach of normal players. So they have to introduce ways to get there. More recently the normal encounters has had the same issue. Too hard for casuals. So now we have LFR. It is all about giving paying customers a chance to play and progress. |
| 20:09.48 | A-KO | I don't think that 100% of your raid team should be capable of getting 100% decked out in a specific tier long before the next dungeon comes out that would require that loot. |
| 20:10.06 | Cide | ideally, sure |
| 20:10.07 | A-KO | PProvost: Honestly, I don't really care about whether or not someone pays for the game :P |
| 20:10.12 | Cide | but making content takes time |
| 20:10.18 | Cide | if they could push out content faster I'm sure they would |
| 20:10.21 | A-KO | that argument is lost on me |
| 20:10.22 | nevcairiel | that would mean they had to push out far more content alot faster |
| 20:10.27 | nevcairiel | or provide less loot |
| 20:10.28 | Cide | does not mean it's not true |
| 20:10.32 | nevcairiel | the second option reduces motivation |
| 20:10.33 | PProvost | A-KO: So are you a loot whore or an epeen showoff? |
| 20:10.56 | PProvost | Because otherwise why care about LFR? |
| 20:11.17 | PProvost | I've seen people complaining that "LFR makes it too easy for some noob to kill XXX" |
| 20:11.20 | PProvost | Why do they care? |
| 20:11.28 | BlackNet | LFR is a 25man dungeon :) |
| 20:11.34 | PProvost | Why care what other people do as lng as everyone is having fun. |
| 20:11.38 | PProvost | BlackNet: why does that matter? |
| 20:11.58 | karl_w_w | Bibi: for some reason those kin raiders sceenshots you have are horrible quality, originals are here: http://p.playforum.net/uTuaFX1324140803582twINc.jpg http://p.playforum.net/uPHsON1324140801499PbeEn.jpg |
| 20:12.01 | BlackNet | it matters greatly |
| 20:12.33 | Cide | he asked about why it matters, not whether or not it matters |
| 20:12.40 | Cide | or to what magnitude it matters |
| 20:12.49 | A-KO | PProvost: What I'm saying is is that such things make it difficult to build raid teams for any number of reasons. If you think that there's enough players on every server to build competent, desiring, wanting raid teams--I disagree completely. I've built raid groups, numerous ones, some rather successful ones (server firsts at best), and there's just not enoguh players. Player politics becomes |
| 20:12.49 | A-KO | a massive, massive issue. |
| 20:13.10 | PProvost | A-KO: I can agree with that |
| 20:13.23 | PProvost | I dont' try to build raid teams |
| 20:13.23 | BlackNet | means there is goign to be a significantly less push to get the harder to find items/gear/etc and heroic mode because ppl are mowing thru it like it's nothing |
| 20:13.24 | A-KO | But, the idea of actually having loot that they *need*, is enough of a drive for MOST players to shut up and get better. |
| 20:13.32 | PProvost | I just build teams who like to play together |
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| 20:13.38 | PProvost | When we have enough to raid, we raid |
| 20:13.47 | Cide | if people want to raid for the challenge they will find a raid group |
| 20:13.53 | PProvost | But since we all like each other, we always have fun |
| 20:14.01 | Cide | if they want epix for as little effort as possible they will LFR |
| 20:14.03 | PProvost | That matters more to me than loot or first kills |
| 20:14.05 | BlackNet | yea ppl will loose interest very fast |
| 20:14.09 | Cide | why would you ever want those people in your raid group anyway |
| 20:14.19 | A-KO | Cide: To a point, but there's always that remainder of players. And at the end of the day, the numbers don't really lie. The game's been losing players in droves for a while. |
| 20:14.33 | Cide | while there may be fewer people actively searching for raid groups now with LFR, the people that DO look for raid groups will be of higher quality than before |
| 20:15.00 | Cide | the population on your server may not support as many raid groups as it did previously |
| 20:15.10 | BlackNet | loosing players due to content being to hard? |
| 20:15.11 | Cide | so just join a raid group that already exists, or merge with another raid group |
| 20:15.14 | foxlit | Unrelated: why doesn't google maps do hotel searches? |
| 20:15.36 | A-KO | Cide: Again, political issues get in the way of that. And those are the most difficult things to work out. |
| 20:15.39 | foxlit | It'd be so convenient to select a region and say "find me a place to stay here, on those dates, with these perks" |
| 20:15.42 | Cide | it kept redirecting people to hotel california and ended up losing their user base |
| 20:16.07 | Cide | political issues? |
| 20:16.13 | Cide | sounds like a bullshit excuse |
| 20:16.37 | A-KO | Yes. Merging raid teams. Sometimes people don't *want* to merge, or you have 2 headbutting GMs who want to both keey GM status, or you have this or that. I'm not saing it's not BS, I'm saying it's a reality in those situations. |
| 20:16.46 | A-KO | Then you might have X slots, and 2 competent players, but only X slots... |
| 20:16.56 | A-KO | merging is probably one of the most difficult things to do in this game |
| 20:16.56 | PProvost | foxlit: bing travel does that quite nicely |
| 20:17.12 | Cide | then don't merge |
| 20:17.18 | A-KO | you've got your friends, your team, your players--and they have theirs. Getting structures together is tough. |
| 20:17.28 | foxlit | PProvost: seems to want a single city? |
| 20:17.55 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 20:17.59 | Fisker | hc yor'sahj |
| 20:18.08 | PProvost | foxlit: hmmm... I guess it does |
| 20:18.23 | Fisker | Green on Green/Yellow/Red/Black or Yellow? |
| 20:19.27 | PProvost | Fisker: Icy-Veins says kill green and stack to heal |
| 20:19.29 | PProvost | shrugs. Whatcha gonna do? |
| 20:19.37 | PProvost | I don't do heroic mode |
| 20:20.15 | Cide | definitely green |
| 20:20.18 | Cide | otherwise you are fucked |
| 20:20.36 | Cide | red does more damage the farther away you are, and black needs aoe |
| 20:23.50 | Dagmar | Black is basically phys DPS in the form of more adds. |
| 20:24.03 | Dagmar | s/is/represents/ |
| 20:25.53 | karl_w_w | can u imagine if purple green and red came out |
| 20:26.01 | Cide | never happens |
| 20:26.16 | karl_w_w | that would be why you'd have to imagine it |
| 20:26.17 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 20:26.32 | Cide | purple/green/red/yellow *shudder* |
| 20:26.42 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 20:29.13 | Cide | would be survivable in 10-man with extreme amounts of raid cooldowns |
| 20:29.23 | Cide | maybe in 25 with the same |
| 20:32.04 | Cide | if you kill purple that is |
| 20:38.27 | Stanzilla | red+green+black is always fun |
| 20:39.45 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 20:39.50 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 20:39.55 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:39.55 | karl_w_w | reg green black is easy |
| 20:54.20 | BlackNet | great, UnitArmor is not reflecting the devo aura properly |
| 20:57.58 | Cide | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwchxn7hNa1r80faro1_500.jpg |
| 20:58.18 | Cide | semi-nsfw I guess |
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| 21:06.40 | karl_w_w | http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2011/12/11/meh-christmas/ I'm loving the new take on christmas lights |
| 21:16.19 | Fisker | years old karl_w_w |
| 21:17.26 | karl_w_w | centuries Fisker |
| 21:17.41 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 21:17.42 | karl_w_w | these arrangements pre-date artifical lighting |
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| 21:37.53 | amro | Cide: someone needs to make a gallery of those |
| 21:38.11 | Cide | that would be horrifying |
| 21:38.26 | amro | not by internet standards |
| 21:40.14 | karl_w_w | that would be tame to the point of boredom by internet standards :P |
| 21:48.32 | BlackNet | dont suppose anyone knows of a replacement for UIFrameFadeIn / UIFrameFadeOut |
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| 22:35.35 | amro | http://rt.com/programs/spotlight/liberating-software-richard-stallman/ |
| 22:35.36 | amro | someone watch and tell me if he's still singing that song |
| 22:49.09 | NiLon | is there addon for removing that mature filter automatically on each login? :D |
| 22:51.13 | Stanzilla | tons |
| 22:59.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/letmeswear |
| 22:59.49 | Yoshimo | profanity fix, maturelanguagefilter and more |
| 23:05.13 | Cairenn | NiLon: lots of them, I know of 2 or 3 on WoWI as well |
| 23:05.29 | Cairenn | s/2/at least 2/ |
| 23:06.45 | Fisker | i got 99 problems Stanzilla |
| 23:06.51 | Fisker | but Cairenn isn't one |
| 23:06.52 | Fisker | runs |
| 23:07.02 | Cairenn | pokes Fisker |
| 23:14.03 | karl_w_w | Cairenn could never be a problem |
| 23:14.16 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:14.19 | Cairenn | I'm often a problem |
| 23:14.57 | karl_w_w | not to me! |
| 23:15.00 | Cairenn | or at the very least, an annoyance |
| 23:15.19 | karl_w_w | maybe I just havent crossed you yet :P |
| 23:15.20 | Nechckn | Any OSX users on who can lend a brief hand to see if time() and, or, debugprofiletop () work in WoWland? |
| 23:15.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:20.27 | Stanzilla | Fisker: i got 99 problems and a bitch is one, what now? |
| 23:20.49 | Fisker | i don't know Stanzilla |
| 23:21.00 | Fisker | but i got 99 problems and my ilevel 403 shoulders is one |
| 23:26.49 | pompyphone | That was bad fisker |
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| 23:32.59 | Nechckn | jnwhiteh are you lurking, kind sir? |
| 23:33.53 | Fisker | i wish he were |
| 23:33.57 | Fisker | he's in finland i heard |
| 23:34.02 | Fisker | or was it iceland? |
| 23:34.04 | Fisker | idk |
| 23:34.14 | Nechckn | hiding from all of the UK folks this week? heheheh |
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