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| 00:04.42 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/jYC9I.jpg |
| 00:05.06 | Arrowmaster | why is it that its keanu reeves thats got the best taste in anime |
| 00:05.43 | durcyn | they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel for "celebrities" there, eh |
| 00:08.10 | Cide | hayley williams: digimon LOL |
| 00:08.53 | Arrowmaster | hulk hogan: pokemon and one piece |
| 00:09.40 | karl_w_w | i didnt even know who 5 of those people are |
| 00:10.01 | cbreak | actors |
| 00:10.12 | cbreak | probably |
| 00:10.26 | Thunder_Child | i only dont know one, other than the ones that have the explination |
| 00:11.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know two of them other than ones that have explanations, andrew wk and gackt camui |
| 00:12.15 | Thunder_Child | i missed that guy, so, same as Arrowmaster then |
| 00:12.25 | karl_w_w | zac efron, jackson rathbone, gackt camui, andrew wk, hayley williams |
| 00:12.28 | Arrowmaster | i want to know why they put robotech instead of macross, does that mean they are referring to the bastardized US version only? |
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| 00:13.03 | Arrowmaster | you dont know who hayley williams is? |
| 00:13.08 | karl_w_w | i do |
| 00:13.23 | karl_w_w | but i would never recognise her from that picture or know her name |
| 00:14.02 | karl_w_w | and i feel like i should know who zac efron is but i dont care :P |
| 00:14.21 | karl_w_w | he looks like a ponce |
| 00:14.37 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the name before, thats about it |
| 00:15.00 | karl_w_w | high school musical and hairspray |
| 00:15.05 | karl_w_w | so i was right |
| 00:15.06 | Arrowmaster | never seen either |
| 00:15.37 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: i think youve got the same bad taste in anime as Masi Oka |
| 00:15.54 | karl_w_w | why do ppl like gundam |
| 00:16.01 | Arrowmaster | depends on the gundam |
| 00:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | do what now |
| 00:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | gundam is awesome, karl_w_w |
| 00:16.20 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: http://i.imgur.com/jYC9I.jpg |
| 00:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 00:16.31 | Mr_Rabies | that seems pretty fake to me |
| 00:16.37 | karl_w_w | news to me |
| 00:16.57 | Arrowmaster | i know some of those are legit |
| 00:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | why wouldn't you like gundam, it's awesome |
| 00:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | political intrigue, plotline centered around the evolution of mankind, love, war, tragedy, comedy |
| 00:17.41 | Arrowmaster | keanu is working on live action cowboy bebop i think, and bale did english voice of howl in howls moving castle |
| 00:18.10 | Arrowmaster | and why wouldnt robin williams like those |
| 00:18.46 | Mr_Rabies | robin williams is probably at least somewhat legitimate |
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| 00:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | he was responsible for the inclusion of the EVA unit in one hour photo |
| 00:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | iirc |
| 00:19.26 | Arrowmaster | i just noticed 'kanye west: love hina' |
| 00:19.42 | Arrowmaster | and loled |
| 00:20.04 | karl_w_w | that doesnt even fit in at all with my image of kanye west |
| 00:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | golden boy though |
| 00:20.14 | Mr_Rabies | yessss |
| 00:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | golden boy is amazing |
| 00:20.24 | Arrowmaster | never seen |
| 00:20.29 | Mr_Rabies | if you watch it, please, please watch it dubbed |
| 00:20.35 | Arrowmaster | and i dont trust you on recommendations |
| 00:20.37 | Mr_Rabies | the dub is TERRIBLE but it fits perfectly |
| 00:21.17 | karl_w_w | terrible how |
| 00:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's a 90s dub |
| 00:21.30 | Mr_Rabies | but the main character's voice fits perfectly |
| 00:21.39 | Mr_Rabies | he sounds kinda like yogi bear |
| 00:21.51 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 00:22.05 | Mr_Rabies | basically the plot is |
| 00:22.34 | Mr_Rabies | perverted kid just out of high school can't land a real job, so he travels and does small jobs for people to pay for his housing, etc |
| 00:22.49 | kd3 | oh, golden boy? absolutely hilarious |
| 00:23.01 | kd3 | watch it. it's got the kd3 seal of approval |
| 00:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | he's generally incapable of almost everything, but has a heart of gold and lots of determination |
| 00:23.47 | karl_w_w | what else can ppl recommend? :P |
| 00:23.56 | Mr_Rabies | gundam :P |
| 00:24.02 | karl_w_w | psh |
| 00:24.10 | Mr_Rabies | you need to let me know what you don't like about gundam so i can prove you wrong :O |
| 00:24.50 | karl_w_w | i dont even remember tbh :P |
| 00:25.02 | karl_w_w | it was just a general meh |
| 00:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | which gundam did you watch? |
| 00:25.46 | karl_w_w | dunno :P |
| 00:25.51 | karl_w_w | it was a while ago |
| 00:26.26 | Mr_Rabies | there's some really bad gundam after the 90s, but almost everything before the 90s was amazing, and there's a lot after the 90s that's still great |
| 00:27.12 | Mr_Rabies | the problem is, a toy company bought the animation company responsible for gundam in the 90s and they made a bunch of spinoffs in alternate universes just to sell toys, with directors that seemingly had no clue about what gundam was really about |
| 00:27.57 | karl_w_w | man theres so much gundam |
| 00:28.14 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how many of them were referring to gundam wing |
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| 00:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | watch the original gundam movies from 1981 or so, they're amazing |
| 00:30.46 | Mr_Rabies | they condense the 1979 series down to 9 hours of awesomeness, and clean up the storyline a lot |
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| 00:31.34 | Arrowmaster | i have the three 79 movies |
| 00:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | in 1979 they had to make several concessions to sell toys that the director was able to fix for the movies once it was proven that adults would watch animation |
| 00:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | TLDR: the gundam director hates toy companies |
| 00:41.00 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: how does that make you feel? |
| 00:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | what :O |
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| 00:41.40 | Thunder_Child | i think every steam game update should come with patch notes |
| 00:41.49 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: christan bale is japanese? |
| 00:41.54 | Mr_Rabies | they usually eventually do, Thunder_Child |
| 00:42.00 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: no |
| 00:42.04 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: really? where? |
| 00:42.10 | airtonix | then he didn't do the voice over for howl |
| 00:42.14 | Mr_Rabies | well, for the games i have, maybe some of the smaller ones don't |
| 00:42.22 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: i said english voice |
| 00:42.35 | airtonix | so you did, but i will ignore that |
| 00:42.55 | Mr_Rabies | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/news/ |
| 00:43.04 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes they're really late on putting them there |
| 00:43.14 | karl_w_w | golden boy only has 6 episodes? |
| 00:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | and every now and then they don't |
| 00:43.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah karl_w_w |
| 00:43.25 | airtonix | karl_w_w: i agree, gundam sucks |
| 00:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | pff |
| 00:43.33 | Mr_Rabies | haters gonna hate |
| 00:43.45 | karl_w_w | by definition |
| 00:43.48 | airtonix | hate is such a strong word |
| 00:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | why don't you like it, airtonix? |
| 00:44.01 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: thanks |
| 00:44.12 | mckenziemc | because he's airtonix |
| 00:44.22 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5867852/youtube-pulls-official-the-last-of-us-trailer-due-to-copyright-claim |
| 00:44.29 | Arrowmaster | this is going to be interesting |
| 00:45.15 | airtonix | they also pulled a music video snoop dog made and posted |
| 00:46.54 | karl_w_w | UPDATE: A Sony rep says the company is "sorry for the inconvenience" (we didn't think it was their fault!) and says they hope to have this resolved shortly. <- so when something is sony's fault they blame someone else, and when it isn't they apologize :P |
| 00:48.02 | karl_w_w | i remember reading something once about facebook pulling something down just on the word of somebody else |
| 00:48.10 | karl_w_w | was it on neowin? |
| 00:48.12 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 00:49.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.neowin.net/news/neowin039s-facebook-page-taken-offline-by-bogus-complaint yes it was |
| 00:49.07 | Arrowmaster | i just hope sony or kotaku file a suit against viacom for abusing the dmca |
| 00:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | youtube has done it before too |
| 00:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | basically you can block any video on youtube for at least a few hours with enough people flagging for copyright infringement |
| 00:50.07 | karl_w_w | facebook's method is better |
| 00:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | unless, probably, it has been whitelisted as okay to share on youtube even with copyright issues |
| 00:50.20 | karl_w_w | "If both parties agree to restore the reported content, please ask the complaining party to contact us via email with a copy of the agreement so that we can refer to the original issue. We will not be able to restore this content to Facebook unless we receive explicit notice of consent from the complaining party." |
| 00:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | i've uploaded a few videos that meet that descriptor |
| 00:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | Your video, Murderface solo (extended) , may include content that is owned or administered by these entities: |
| 00:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | Entity: Turner (Adultswim) Content Type: Audiovisual content |
| 00:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | What should I do? No action is required on your part. Your video is still available worldwide. |
| 00:52.15 | Mr_Rabies | basically it matches their stuff but they're letting it stay up for some reason, and i can't turn ads off on the video |
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| 01:21.12 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: they reach an agreement with the (C) owner to profit from ads and links. Suspect there's probably some deal there as well that if the vid gets too popular for too long, it'll get pulled so an 'official' one can go up. or similar |
| 01:23.57 | Kaylin | copyright, sucks. |
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| 01:30.30 | bleeter | only when misunderstood by the artist/s and/or abused by the publisher/s |
| 01:32.23 | bleeter | in the case of the YT (C) advertising foo, I'd be pretty wild if I were an artist and didn't get a chunk of the advertising $ |
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| 01:33.11 | bleeter | but I know some artists don't really care unless it's HQ, they think it's good promotion for their saleable works |
| 01:38.58 | bleeter | http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/ |
| 01:39.13 | Dagmar | Yeah, so, apparently using the same name for everything for 20 years doesn't account for much with Google+ |
| 01:40.25 | mckenziemc | should've trademarked it! |
| 01:40.33 | bleeter | Dagmar: on tax returns? |
| 01:40.49 | Dagmar | bleeter: Honestly, I might have filed one of those without remembering to fill in my name. |
| 01:41.14 | Dagmar | All they care about is that the SSN and other numerical details match up. |
| 01:41.27 | bleeter | iirc there's some bizarre case law here in .au where someone filled in 'also known as' with a nickname for a number of years, then (iirc) changed it around one year and the tax office went them but they got off |
| 01:41.57 | Dagmar | In the US you can legally use a different name any time you damn well please so long as you're not doing so for criminal intent. |
| 01:42.01 | Xyphoid | anything much new happened with the nymwars? |
| 01:42.12 | Xyphoid | last i heard google were all 'we'll totally make some changes' and then silence |
| 01:42.18 | Dagmar | I've at least been *consistently* using the same name everywhere reasonable/possible for 20+ years. |
| 01:42.33 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Yeah it's looking like that's a load of crap. |
| 01:42.59 | Dagmar | In round one I cited two newspaper articles, a couple of lectures, several other social network profiles, etc |
| 01:43.39 | Dagmar | If I wanted to be an ass I'd tell them to get some Wayback Machine action and look carefully at comp.sci.hypertext when they were discussing HTTP 1.0 |
| 01:43.49 | Dagmar | ...becuase I was there, using this name. |
| 01:44.08 | Dagmar | ...and people who didn't even own computers were calling me Dagmar even then. |
| 01:50.27 | Shirik | install new version of itunes == need to restart computer |
| 01:50.30 | Shirik | yeah that's brilliant |
| 01:50.51 | mckenziemc | more like reformat |
| 01:53.46 | airtonix | services that place a restriction on maximum password length... fail ? |
| 01:54.14 | mckenziemc | no |
| 01:54.19 | airtonix | explain |
| 01:54.25 | mckenziemc | overruns airtonix's buffer. |
| 01:54.28 | Dagmar | Well, there's realities of data storage that would preclude say, pasting the first chapter of Neuromancer in as a password. |
| 01:54.29 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 01:54.47 | Dagmar | ...but a max of less than 32 characters is a bit obnoxious. |
| 01:54.49 | airtonix | Dagmar: but if you store the password as a hash then ? |
| 01:55.13 | airtonix | and a sha hash is only 256 chars max right? |
| 01:55.17 | Dagmar | airtonix: I should hope so, but mod_security is probably going to throw a hissy-fit over the volume of input from the one field first. |
| 01:55.26 | kd3 | cpu time to hash the first chapter of neuromancer > cpu time to hash ~32 characters |
| 01:55.35 | Dagmar | Um, no you can generally put any length data through a hash. |
| 01:55.41 | kd3 | yup |
| 01:55.57 | Dagmar | It just becomes progressively more useless to do so because hemming values don't work that way. |
| 01:57.23 | airtonix | sigh @ login forms that prevent pasting of username & password |
| 01:58.00 | airtonix | "oh if i have to type it out it must be secure" |
| 01:58.13 | airtonix | "expecially if the button says securelogin" |
| 02:03.33 | foxlit | rmate <3 |
| 02:03.59 | foxlit | " hemming "? |
| 02:05.13 | Dagmar | The amount of resulting change you get from a minimal change to the input of the function. |
| 02:05.48 | Dagmar | Ideally, you want even a single-bit change in the input to have as drastic a change in the output as possible. |
| 02:05.59 | foxlit | you're sure (a) that's the right term (b) it actually doesn't work? |
| 02:06.08 | Dagmar | Anything less and you wind up having and easier time mapping what's going on |
| 02:07.01 | Dagmar | No idea and not particularly worrying about it either. That's what I was told it was called when it was originally explained to me. |
| 02:07.31 | mckenziemc | guessing you mean hamming distance and i'm not sure it's even the right word |
| 02:07.33 | foxlit | it'd make a little more sense if you were talking about the hamming distance between outputs instead. |
| 02:07.40 | mckenziemc | avalanche effect is what i've seen used |
| 02:08.15 | foxlit | but even then, I don't see why stuffing more data into a hash function would make output changes less dramatic |
| 02:08.20 | Dagmar | I blame Australia then |
| 02:08.43 | mckenziemc | foxlit: i think he's saying it won't make them any more dramatic |
| 02:08.54 | Dagmar | foxlit: because it's less useful if you have more collisions, which is what you get when you start loading more than 32-bits of data into a 32-bit hash |
| 02:09.28 | airtonix | Dagmar: australia sucks |
| 02:09.40 | foxlit | then you're really pursuing an argument that has nothing to do with sensitivity to input change. |
| 02:09.56 | Dagmar | How so |
| 02:10.02 | airtonix | well |
| 02:10.07 | airtonix | they still eat meat pies |
| 02:10.11 | airtonix | and they love iphones |
| 02:10.57 | Dagmar | Frankly it doesn't matter if you're using the first chapter of Neuromancer or the Diary of Anne Frank with respect to using a one-way hash with a considerably smaller space than the supplied input for a password. |
| 02:11.00 | foxlit | you don't need to (nor want to) argue that changing a single bit in a billion-bit input will not have dramatic results on the output :) |
| 02:11.35 | Dagmar | Nor am I |
| 02:11.41 | foxlit | simply saying "hey, in theory, all possible 32-bit hashes should be derivable from 32-bit input values" |
| 02:11.47 | foxlit | would work. |
| 02:12.36 | Dagmar | I could, or I could say "hemming value" and continue to not give a crap. |
| 02:12.55 | foxlit | not giving a crap is the best kind of being wrong :) |
| 02:12.58 | Dagmar | The matter at hand is that used for that purpose, collisions are _very_ bad |
| 02:13.10 | Dagmar | The more overloaded the input the higher the chance of collisions |
| 02:13.47 | Dagmar | ...which has a lot to do with the "weakness" of using MD5 and SHA hashes with very large inputs being used relatively improperly. |
| 02:14.34 | Dagmar | Finagling a given output value becomes considerably more easy the more the input value outweighs the bits of the output |
| 02:15.35 | mckenziemc | huh |
| 02:16.11 | Dagmar | People've written papers about cryptographic failures that can occur when Eve has a pair of 32-byte files they control the contents of both. |
| 02:16.30 | Dagmar | Collisions under that don't exist using typed ASCII characters. |
| 02:16.38 | Dagmar | (under 32-bits) |
| 02:16.55 | Dagmar | points at "Rainbow tables", calls it a day |
| 02:18.47 | mckenziemc | points at salts. |
| 02:19.13 | Dagmar | still points at rainbow tables. |
| 02:19.19 | Dagmar | Much as I freaking hate it |
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| 02:19.31 | Dagmar | People've got the shit mapped out with salts now, too |
| 02:19.53 | mckenziemc | using longer input doesn't make it weaker, it just means it's more likely that there's a shorter input with the same hash |
| 02:19.54 | Dagmar | Yes, it *does* occupy a shitload of disk |
| 02:19.59 | Arrowmaster | gota use a big salt |
| 02:20.41 | Dagmar | It means it's more likely there's _other_ inputs that will result in the same hash. |
| 02:20.54 | Dagmar | ...which makes using excessively long inputs pointless and annoying. |
| 02:21.12 | mckenziemc | it's not more likely |
| 02:21.26 | Dagmar | If that weren't the case we'd be making seriously massive breakthroughs in compression using absurd levels of computational force |
| 02:21.27 | mckenziemc | the number of inputs with the same hash does not depend on which one you use |
| 02:21.49 | Dagmar | It *is* more likely. |
| 02:21.58 | Dagmar | A solid hash is supposed to have no collisions. |
| 02:22.04 | mckenziemc | no |
| 02:22.28 | Dagmar | If the input is less than the output, it's ridiculously unlikely because it can all fit neatly within that resulting space with room to spare. |
| 02:22.29 | mckenziemc | pidgeon hole principle; that's not possible if the key space has more possible values than the output |
| 02:23.39 | Dagmar | Sounds like you're supporting my statement that they become less useful when overloaded |
| 02:24.41 | mckenziemc | there is no 'overloaded' |
| 02:24.59 | Dagmar | Then congratulations you just discovered infinite compression. |
| 02:25.01 | foxlit | Dagmar is suggesting that the most useful hash function is a one-to-one mapping |
| 02:25.17 | foxlit | for some definition of useful. |
| 02:25.48 | mckenziemc | sha1 can take a maximum input of 2 ** 64 bits iirc, that means there are a fixed number of input bytestrings that produce a given hash, no matter which one you choose |
| 02:26.25 | Dagmar | ...and how many of those exist when the input is larger than the output as opposed to when it is not? |
| 02:26.27 | mckenziemc | of course, the shortest one is the most likely to be found through an attack |
| 02:26.47 | mckenziemc | how does that matter |
| 02:27.27 | Dagmar | It matters because the original point that wasn't being beaten senseless with the pedantry stick is that it's not useful to paste a bloody chapter from a book into a password field that's just going to be fed through a one-way hashing function. |
| 02:29.03 | mckenziemc | you went beyond that in your claim :P |
| 02:29.07 | Dagmar | There's got to be a limit to the size of the input. |
| 02:29.27 | Dagmar | No, I didn't. |
| 02:29.37 | mckenziemc | yes, you did |
| 02:29.55 | Dagmar | No, I didn't. |
| 02:31.44 | karl_w_w | so apparently when something get shipped across the US to a forwarding company, then shipped back across the US, to hong kong, to australia via dhl, and handed off to australia post, it gets packaged and labelled to 4x the size and is basically unopenable |
| 02:31.54 | mckenziemc | you claimed it was less useful the more collisions you have |
| 02:32.04 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Awsome! |
| 02:32.34 | Dagmar | That's way better than my turntable coffin that for some reason went from Indianapolis to Nashville via Toronto, California, and BC. |
| 02:33.32 | Dagmar | You got an entirely extra continent involved |
| 02:33.41 | karl_w_w | 2 extra |
| 02:34.04 | karl_w_w | i dont even remember what state it started in... |
| 02:38.19 | karl_w_w | started in oregon, went to forwarder in ct via nj, then the forwarder sent it with dhl to me in perth australia via ohio and hong kong |
| 02:39.28 | Thunder_Child | might have been cheaper. |
| 02:40.17 | karl_w_w | the item cost $44.90 |
| 02:40.33 | karl_w_w | and shipping was $38.24 + $3.00 |
| 02:41.59 | mckenziemc | ouch |
| 02:42.25 | Thunder_Child | i mean for them |
| 02:42.38 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:43.04 | mckenziemc | oh, you confused me |
| 02:43.41 | karl_w_w | or -> ct leg took 2 days |
| 02:43.55 | karl_w_w | and the ct -> perth leg took 4 days |
| 02:44.00 | karl_w_w | so not too bad |
| 02:46.11 | karl_w_w | i imagine if it went to sydney or similar it would have gone direct |
| 02:46.40 | karl_w_w | well, from cincinnati |
| 02:49.14 | karl_w_w | they seem to have laminated the package |
| 02:49.30 | karl_w_w | is the only way i can describe this covering of sticky plastic shit |
| 02:49.41 | mckenziemc | shrink wrap? |
| 02:50.00 | karl_w_w | sort of i guess |
| 02:50.20 | karl_w_w | one thing i can guarantee is it wasnt opened by any customs |
| 02:52.25 | Dagmar | Heheh at least not for the wage they make |
| 02:52.40 | karl_w_w | inside the sticky plastic shit is a dhl satchel which has been folded back on itself and sealed with this weird string-reinforced stick paper |
| 02:53.00 | karl_w_w | Dagmar: aussie customs opens -everything- |
| 02:53.21 | karl_w_w | until this :P |
| 02:53.54 | karl_w_w | maybe they dont check dhl stuff thoroughly or maybe they just saw the packaging and said fuck it :P |
| 02:54.51 | karl_w_w | i give up, this can be the christmas wrapping paper :P |
| 02:56.26 | karl_w_w | ok string reinforced paper crap gone |
| 02:57.15 | karl_w_w | dhl bag also shrink wrapped |
| 02:57.24 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:00.49 | karl_w_w | no chips or cracks in the box |
| 03:00.53 | karl_w_w | im amazed :P |
| 03:01.49 | mckenziemc | i wonder how much all that extra packaging cost |
| 03:02.01 | karl_w_w | im gonna weigh it |
| 03:02.15 | karl_w_w | its a good 6 or 7 layers |
| 03:03.16 | karl_w_w | although im glad they were there, most of the bubbles have popped in the dhl bag padding :P |
| 03:06.45 | karl_w_w | 60g of packaging on a 90g product |
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| 03:09.08 | karl_w_w | omg its the wrong thing i have to send it back |
| 03:09.53 | mckenziemc1 | :( |
| 03:10.15 | karl_w_w | thankfully im lying :P |
| 03:10.56 | karl_w_w | should have just written RTS on the front and given it back to the postman xD |
| 03:11.08 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 03:16.49 | karl_w_w | <Dagmar> ...but a max of less than 32 characters is a bit obnoxious. <- my *BANK* has a maximum password length of 8 character |
| 03:16.50 | karl_w_w | s |
| 03:17.17 | mckenziemc | what's their minimum |
| 03:18.36 | mckenziemc | lua> for n=0,4 do print(n^(n+1)-1) end |
| 03:18.37 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: -1, 0, 7, 80, 1023 |
| 03:18.54 | karl_w_w | um |
| 03:19.22 | mckenziemc | lua> for n=0,4 do print(2^(n+1)-1) end |
| 03:19.23 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 1, 3, 7, 15, 31 |
| 03:19.40 | karl_w_w | minimum 6 |
| 03:20.24 | karl_w_w | Your new Internet Banking Password must be between 6 and 8 characters in length and consist of a combination of letters and numbers (e.g. 1acb1234). |
| 03:20.25 | karl_w_w | Please note that Your chosen password must not contain: |
| 03:20.25 | karl_w_w | - a numeric code which represents Your birth date; or |
| 03:20.25 | karl_w_w | - an alphabetical code which is a recognisable part of Your name |
| 03:20.25 | karl_w_w | Either of these selections may mean You are liable for losses caused by unauthorised transactions as a result of a breach of Your password. |
| 03:20.50 | karl_w_w | im so gonna find some people's account numbers and try 1acb1234 as the password |
| 03:21.05 | mckenziemc | are the passwords case sensitive? |
| 03:21.12 | karl_w_w | dont think so |
| 03:22.01 | mckenziemc | lua> print(36^9-1 - 36^7-1) |
| 03:22.02 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 1.0148159250432e+14 |
| 03:22.23 | karl_w_w | ah it is case sensitive |
| 03:22.31 | karl_w_w | this is the 17th largest bank in the world |
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| 03:28.38 | Dagmar | Give it a few months. That'll change. |
| 03:29.09 | Dagmar | I'm certain we're going to see a few big ones fined into itty bitty pieces soon |
| 03:29.37 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 03:29.56 | karl_w_w | well, unless you mean it'll change in the positive direction |
| 03:30.10 | Dagmar | No, seriously. I think the main holdup now is (hopefully) they're trying to figure out how to do it without making a lot of people lose access to their money. |
| 03:30.40 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.48 | Dagmar | 1,000+ charges filed in the Enron thing and less than 20 now? |
| 03:30.53 | Dagmar | People are holding back. |
| 03:31.42 | Dagmar | Of course it could be that things are so corrupt absolutely nothing is going to happen, but even *I'm* not that pessismistic. |
| 03:32.39 | kd3 | I am. with the bullshit that is NDAA that passed in the senate |
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| 03:32.50 | kd3 | I got a form-letter back from my senator "allaying all of my fears" |
| 03:34.46 | Dagmar | The first time they try to use their new magic power they'd better be damn sure they've got someone guilty |
| 03:34.53 | Dagmar | ...or they'll wind up losing it |
| 03:35.04 | mckenziemc | so we hope |
| 03:37.03 | Dagmar | I am more concerned, frankly, that the guy heading up the committes to handle issues of possible senatorial insider trading appear to have been engaging in said activity fairly recently |
| 03:37.14 | Dagmar | You can't even say "fox guarding the henhouse" on that one. |
| 03:38.15 | Dagmar | It's foxes all the way down. |
| 03:39.05 | Dagmar | There may well be a lot of bankers who could perhaps be hinting somewhat strongly that they might "roll" on anyone ratting them out |
| 03:40.33 | Dagmar | I can't even rummage around news sites for more than an hour anymore without it screwing with my sleep. |
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| 03:44.54 | karl_w_w | land of the free, apparently |
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| 03:59.05 | Jamash | the best representative democracy money can buy |
| 04:00.23 | Thunder_Child | republican democracy actually |
| 04:05.44 | Seerah | There are some good ones on here: http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/video-gaga/most-awesome-music-videos-2011-003559949.html |
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| 04:30.06 | Cairenn | What the ... ? O.O http://marquetteturner.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/the-swarovski-crystal-toilet/ |
| 04:30.57 | Arrowmaster | FOR ME TO POOP ON! |
| 04:35.47 | bluspacecow | http://youtu.be/8GuI4UUZrmw |
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| 05:05.29 | Shirik | for that fourth boss in dragon soul |
| 05:05.36 | Shirik | screw the ice dudes, just run in circles for 5 minutes |
| 05:05.38 | Shirik | she stops casting |
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| 05:40.32 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgoDkwwpFx0 |
| 05:40.51 | Cairenn | wth? |
| 05:40.56 | Cairenn | oh, nm |
| 05:40.58 | Cairenn | that's cute |
| 05:42.37 | bluspacecow | oh and |
| 05:42.39 | bluspacecow | http://www.buzzfeed.com/hgrant/polite-bear-waves-to-car-passenger |
| 05:43.45 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:44.19 | clever | so, now that i have wowmapviewer fixed on both windows and linux |
| 05:44.23 | clever | where do i post it!, lol |
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| 05:44.55 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat88.html |
| 05:45.17 | clever | i was thinking back on the original site i got it from |
| 05:45.32 | clever | they have a dozen tickets open about it not working, lol |
| 05:45.46 | Cairenn | Then why'd you ask? heh |
| 05:46.12 | clever | just wondering if anybody in here would be interested in the fixed version |
| 05:46.27 | mckenziemc | where can i download it? :O |
| 05:46.34 | clever | mckenziemc: let me zip it up |
| 05:47.34 | clever | mckenziemc: windows or linux version? |
| 05:47.39 | mckenziemc | windows |
| 05:48.29 | clever | mckenziemc: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/wowmapviewer.zip |
| 05:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | how the heck does wowmapview handled phased stuff? |
| 05:48.48 | clever | Mr_Rabies: so far, nothing outside of dungeons works |
| 05:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | handle* |
| 05:49.02 | clever | i'm not sure that ever worked |
| 05:49.12 | clever | only instances work right now (raids/dungeons) |
| 05:49.33 | clever | the deeprun tram is considered an instance |
| 05:49.40 | Mr_Rabies | aw ;( |
| 05:50.01 | clever | in the full world, ive only gotten the low res height map to work |
| 05:50.02 | clever | the thing you see off on the horizon |
| 05:50.46 | clever | mckenziemc: oh, forgot to mention something, my compiler is stupid and wont let me use main() |
| 05:50.52 | clever | so i hard-coded the path to my wow install |
| 05:51.12 | mckenziemc | what path? i assume i can symlink it |
| 05:51.16 | clever | D:\\World of Warcraft\\ |
| 05:52.24 | mckenziemc | gonna take me a while to download it btw (dialup) |
| 05:52.36 | clever | the original copy i got from the site would just hard-fail if the path was wrong |
| 05:52.42 | clever | i modified it to atleast give an error |
| 05:53.01 | clever | my first problem infact, was it found my old (deleted) PTR and tried to use that |
| 05:53.11 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 05:53.33 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.42 | bluspacecow | y u no incremental update ? |
| 05:53.51 | bluspacecow | 1.34 GB update |
| 05:53.53 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.01 | clever | then after fighting a mountain of compile errors (horid maintaince), it hard-failed because the font was in the wrong directory |
| 05:54.19 | Mr_Rabies | afaik you can't incremental update with iOS can you bluspacecow? |
| 05:55.01 | clever | mckenziemc: the speed should jump soon, one of my other uploads is ending |
| 05:55.16 | bluspacecow | @mr_rabies now i is sad |
| 05:55.39 | mckenziemc | it's been going as fast as my connection can go : / |
| 05:55.54 | clever | mckenziemc: ah |
| 05:56.01 | clever | my end too! :P |
| 06:03.01 | clever | ok, entire source repo is up on my site |
| 06:03.15 | clever | testing linux 64bit build |
| 06:04.18 | clever | SDL compile errors |
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| 06:07.09 | clever | mckenziemc: i'll have to fix the registery stuff next |
| 06:07.38 | pompy1 | mckenziemc: we are in 2011! ;) :x |
| 06:07.53 | mckenziemc | tell that to AT&T |
| 06:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | to at&t it's still about 1997 |
| 06:08.37 | Mr_Rabies | the fastest internet i can get out here is about 4 mb :| |
| 06:08.50 | Mr_Rabies | er, 4 mbit per sec |
| 06:09.16 | mckenziemc | beats 24kbit |
| 06:17.14 | mckenziemc | oh, i don't think i can make a symbolic link across drives :( |
| 06:25.46 | BlackNet | anyone know how to put frame_A behind frame_B ? |
| 06:33.48 | bluspacecow | give frame_B a higher alpha value ? |
| 06:35.57 | BlackNet | trying to do this toggle stuff |
| 06:36.11 | BlackNet | might make more headway making the frame click thru so you cna click on stuff behind it |
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| 06:47.07 | clever | mckenziemc: does it work? |
| 06:47.25 | mckenziemc | didn't test it :( |
| 06:48.13 | clever | i fixed it so that it just gets the wow path via the registery, like it did before |
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| 07:12.14 | bleeter | Sixen BRAINZ! |
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| 07:13.36 | bleeter | mckenziemc: you should be able to soft symlink across drives, not hardlink though, iirc |
| 07:14.36 | clever | i recompiled it to fix the bug, if you re-download it wont need a symlink |
| 07:15.08 | mckenziemc | same url? |
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| 07:15.47 | clever | mckenziemc: yep |
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| 07:39.36 | mckenziemc | clever: "The application was unable to start correctly (0xc0150002)" |
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| 07:45.51 | clever | mckenziemc: 32 or 64 bit windows? |
| 07:46.02 | mckenziemc | 64 |
| 07:46.09 | clever | ah, i compiled it on 32 |
| 07:46.44 | clever | i was just looking arround the sunken temple, and something doesnt look right |
| 07:46.49 | clever | theres 3 floors to the place... |
| 07:47.18 | haste | hasn't it always been layered like that? |
| 07:47.36 | clever | haste: the top floor doesnt appear to be connected to anything |
| 07:47.39 | clever | no way into it |
| 07:47.45 | mckenziemc | they took out the bottom part :( |
| 07:47.48 | clever | and i dont remember it ever having a bottom floor |
| 07:48.08 | mckenziemc | atal'alarion was down there iirc |
| 07:48.40 | haste | I'm not too surprised, ST took ages to run |
| 07:48.41 | clever | the top floor is ring hallway with some side hallways connecting to the balcony's above the main room |
| 07:49.01 | clever | and there is a creepy pair of gnome skeletons sitting on one balcony |
| 07:49.09 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 07:49.14 | haste | :D |
| 07:50.03 | clever | on the balcony's above, there appears to be a gong, drum, gnome skeletons, and a bone pile |
| 07:50.08 | clever | one on each balcony |
| 07:50.15 | clever | and i cant find the entrance, lol |
| 07:52.16 | clever | and one of the wings appears to be colaplsed |
| 07:52.22 | clever | mckenziemc: you remember that section? |
| 07:53.00 | clever | um, i just found another set of stairs, lol |
| 07:53.09 | mckenziemc | the bottom? |
| 07:53.27 | clever | mckenziemc: middle floor, one of the large hallways is colapsed |
| 07:53.45 | mckenziemc | don't remember |
| 07:53.49 | haste | "Patch 4.0.3a (2010-11-23): Dungeon given a heavy revamp, removing all floors except one and removing several bosses. Level raised to 50-60 (previously 45-50). " |
| 07:54.16 | haste | http://www.wowpedia.org/File:SunkenTempleDetailedCompressed.jpg?c=1 as well |
| 07:54.53 | clever | yeah, that map shows the extra levels i found |
| 07:55.03 | clever | i must have never hit that durring wrath, lol |
| 07:55.23 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:55.33 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 07:55.40 | Fisker | is it cold in norway? |
| 07:55.46 | haste | not really, just rainy |
| 07:55.58 | Fisker | it's cold here :( |
| 07:56.39 | Fisker | lol |
| 07:56.42 | Fisker | i like Blizzard |
| 07:56.53 | Fisker | instead of saying their customers are greedy bastards they just say |
| 07:57.04 | Fisker | With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we’ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions |
| 07:57.04 | mckenziemc | clever: in that picture, which one had the collapsed hallway? |
| 07:57.06 | Fisker | LOLOLOLO |
| 07:57.20 | clever | mckenziemc: forth floor, north east |
| 07:57.32 | clever | you can clearly see one of the diagonal timbers that fell |
| 07:57.37 | clever | (on the image) |
| 07:58.10 | mckenziemc | oh yeah that |
| 07:58.23 | clever | theres nothing behind it on the map |
| 07:58.25 | mckenziemc | lunar festival elder appears over there iirc |
| 07:58.28 | clever | ah |
| 07:58.33 | mckenziemc | yeah, you can't get through it |
| 07:58.43 | clever | this place is such a maze, i cant see half the floors, lol |
| 07:59.00 | clever | and ive gotten lost in it a few times already |
| 07:59.06 | clever | helps that the map viewer doesnt have clipping, walls mean nothing! |
| 07:59.41 | mckenziemc | i liked that place :( |
| 07:59.44 | mckenziemc | once i got used to it |
| 08:00.01 | clever | i think i found the entrance |
| 08:00.39 | clever | matches up with the entance on the image |
| 08:00.45 | clever | i must be looking at the old temple |
| 08:01.24 | mckenziemc | it might be the same model; i forgot what they did to block off the lower part |
| 08:01.44 | clever | they could have just spawned a door and moved the spawn point when you enter |
| 08:02.00 | clever | id need to go into the live game and compare |
| 08:03.15 | clever | do you know if the map viewer ever worked outside of instances? |
| 08:03.31 | mckenziemc | idk |
| 08:04.15 | mckenziemc | i suppose it would've been called wowdungeonviewer if it didn't, though |
| 08:04.30 | BlackNet | wohoo i got it working |
| 08:04.44 | clever | the only thing it can view outside of the instances is the low res height map |
| 08:05.04 | mckenziemc | cata probably broke it |
| 08:05.29 | clever | mckenziemc: it could have, but i have a feeling it never worked to begin with |
| 08:06.00 | clever | northrend was never changed for cata |
| 08:06.03 | clever | for example, northrend kalimdor, and eastern kingdoms have the same 'bug' |
| 08:06.37 | mckenziemc | they might've had to change the file format though |
| 08:06.47 | mckenziemc | perhaps to allow the streaming client to be feasible |
| 08:06.50 | clever | i think its more to do with the outdoors being a different format |
| 08:07.29 | clever | the outdoors is setup as 2 layers, the low-res height map of the entire continent (easy to render), makes the distant mountains on the horizon look right |
| 08:07.37 | clever | and then a tile for the current zone |
| 08:07.46 | clever | i dont htink the program has support for those tiles |
| 08:08.00 | clever | all i can see is the distant mountains |
| 08:08.20 | clever | hmmm, i have a pc with an older wow, let me try that |
| 08:09.50 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 08:12.50 | clever | mckenziemc: doesnt look like your error is due to win64 |
| 08:13.00 | clever | i just got it on my win32 bot |
| 08:13.03 | clever | box* |
| 08:13.31 | clever | it must be a missing dll |
| 08:18.36 | clever | mckenziemc: looks to be related to SDL.dll |
| 08:23.57 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 08:24.12 | airtonix | i'm mad |
| 08:24.36 | airtonix | clever: i'm reporting your for botting in 32bits |
| 08:25.04 | Fisker | umadski? |
| 08:25.18 | airtonix | Fisker: yay for idiots who can't understand internet blog posts and google search |
| 08:25.20 | clever | airtonix: i tried to compile it for linux 64bit, but it seems alot of the pointers are hard-coded as DWORD |
| 08:25.35 | mckenziemc | don't mind airtonix |
| 08:25.53 | airtonix | clever: clouding the issue with technical jargon won't dissuade me from reporting you to the warcraft police |
| 08:26.05 | clever | that was a typo :P |
| 08:26.18 | airtonix | doesn't matter, because i'm mad |
| 08:26.40 | airtonix | but why are you trying to build wine 64? |
| 08:27.00 | clever | mckenziemc: http://nologs.com/ntstatus.html this lists the error code |
| 08:27.00 | haste | he wants to run 64-bit apps |
| 08:27.10 | airtonix | i did it last night without any problems except for the shitty documentation on the wine site |
| 08:27.13 | clever | and i'm compiling it as a native linux program, no wine needed |
| 08:27.33 | clever | it already works as a native linux 32bit program |
| 08:28.08 | airtonix | my answer to your question is to question why you want to do something and suggest you do something else so we don't have to solve your problem |
| 08:28.28 | clever | mckenziemc: ah, i think its due to it being a debug build! |
| 08:28.29 | mckenziemc | *sigh* |
| 08:28.33 | bluspacecow | and mine is |
| 08:28.39 | bluspacecow | ~whalenuke the problem |
| 08:28.39 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around the problem with his mind powers. |
| 08:29.11 | airtonix | mckenziemc: umad? |
| 08:29.19 | clever | mckenziemc: let me rebuild it without debug and try it on my second pc |
| 08:29.42 | airtonix | anyway Fisker, why would wow players be greedy? it doesn't make sense. |
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| 08:31.12 | clever | that solved the size issue! 10mb->1mb!! |
| 08:32.37 | bluspacecow | fisker |
| 08:33.29 | Fisker | Stanzilla man |
| 08:33.30 | Fisker | http://pastebin.com/Tq7qK5P6 |
| 08:33.49 | bluspacecow | fisker u mad ? |
| 08:33.58 | Fisker | iglad bluspacecow |
| 08:34.03 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 08:34.05 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 08:34.08 | Fisker | 13 out 16 DPS that do decent DPS in a LFR |
| 08:34.10 | bluspacecow | i stinky |
| 08:34.15 | bluspacecow | brb shower |
| 08:34.33 | Fisker | i should shower too bluspacecow |
| 08:34.41 | Kalroth | i'll shower with you guys |
| 08:35.13 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nice |
| 08:35.17 | clever | mckenziemc: nope, didnt fix it |
| 08:38.17 | Maldivia | Fisker: Deathwing results? can't see any other fights where you'd get that high dps across the board in LFR :P |
| 08:38.28 | Fisker | Warlord something something |
| 08:38.51 | mckenziemc | zon'ozz? |
| 08:39.05 | Fisker | maybe |
| 08:39.13 | Fisker | sounds about right |
| 08:39.18 | haste | warlord has dps increase |
| 08:39.24 | Maldivia | well, then they bounced the orb great :P |
| 08:39.38 | haste | you have great dps even if it bounces it self :P |
| 08:39.46 | Fisker | LFR |
| 08:39.48 | Fisker | you don't need to |
| 08:40.16 | Maldivia | the only fight with just a marginal of thought required for LFR is the spine |
| 08:40.43 | haste | I'm always amazed when spine goes fine |
| 08:41.00 | clever | i saw spine wipe several times in a row |
| 08:41.05 | clever | saw it go wrong in almost every posible way |
| 08:41.11 | clever | 2 hideous at once |
| 08:41.18 | Stanzilla | I just wiped on spine because the raid floated mid air |
| 08:41.18 | clever | 9 stacks at full health |
| 08:41.23 | Stanzilla | and didn't fall down |
| 08:41.26 | clever | killing it before it got any stacks |
| 08:41.41 | Maldivia | I can top that... dps went all out and killed all four initial corruptions, while people were screeaming in raid chat not to kil lthem |
| 08:42.07 | clever | i saw somebody yelling in /raidwarning to stop, over and over |
| 08:42.14 | clever | clearly, somebody doesnt listen |
| 08:42.33 | clever | i'm a quick learner, i stopped after the first wipe :P |
| 08:42.54 | clever | the replacement dps on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th wipe didnt |
| 08:43.46 | Maldivia | first time I was there, didn't know what I was doing, so just followed what people was shouting in chat |
| 08:44.07 | clever | i picked a random tentacle and latched onto it |
| 08:44.14 | clever | until somebody yelled for me to stop :P |
| 08:44.18 | Maldivia | heh |
| 08:44.35 | haste | had already done it on 10-man before LRF ;p |
| 08:44.47 | clever | ive only done it once, on LFR |
| 08:45.20 | clever | i was talking to somebody on realid about how i downed deathwing, and then oh sh*t, he came out behind me :P |
| 08:46.17 | haste | yet to do madness of deathwing in 10-man :( |
| 08:46.33 | clever | LFR dropped me right at spine, skipped half of it |
| 08:46.39 | Maldivia | madness is kind of boring in LFR |
| 08:46.48 | haste | kind of boring in 10-man as well :P |
| 08:47.09 | Fisker | yay |
| 08:47.15 | Fisker | 104, 105 and 109 rolls sofar in LFR |
| 08:47.33 | Stanzilla | same :< |
| 08:47.36 | Stanzilla | lost everything |
| 08:47.47 | haste | my priest won 3 set items last LFR :-D |
| 08:47.49 | Stanzilla | and they just charged a full add with 9 stacks |
| 08:48.03 | clever | :'( |
| 08:48.14 | Stanzilla | boss down anyway |
| 08:48.16 | clever | ive only done it once, and i know enough to bring it to 30% hp first |
| 08:48.17 | Stanzilla | great success! |
| 08:49.16 | Stanzilla | ohoo I won a trinket |
| 08:50.05 | clever | :D |
| 08:53.22 | clever | mckenziemc: ok, closer to working |
| 08:53.25 | clever | opengl error this time |
| 08:55.15 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 08:56.01 | clever | i replaced SDL.dll with a copy from libsdl.org and that fixed the error you had |
| 08:56.18 | clever | you can try that and see if it solves your end |
| 08:58.31 | Fisker | done and done Stanzilla |
| 08:59.25 | Stanzilla | im on madness atm |
| 09:05.08 | Stanzilla | now blink killed me |
| 09:05.08 | Stanzilla | gg |
| 09:06.50 | Maldivia | don't blink or goblin jump between the platforms :p |
| 09:07.27 | Stanzilla | or charge etc |
| 09:07.36 | clever | i found that the jump thing was rather broken |
| 09:07.41 | Stanzilla | can't believe blizz fucks this up everytime :D |
| 09:07.42 | clever | i always hit the water, then flew up |
| 09:07.48 | clever | but i saw others just jumping straight over |
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| 09:10.24 | bluspacecow | lolz @ mario mechanics in wow |
| 09:16.53 | airtonix | Dagmar: bind9 or nsd? |
| 09:17.32 | airtonix | question is : which one would you use for an internet facing domain name service |
| 09:20.25 | mckenziemc1 | the other one |
| 09:22.44 | clever | mckenziemc1: i'm thinking of maybe adding a export/preserve option to the program next |
| 09:23.02 | clever | for example, saving the sunken tample as-is, so it can be revisited even if blizz takes it out in the future |
| 09:24.15 | mckenziemc1 | doh |
| 09:24.25 | mckenziemc1 | i just realized the irony in how i did this quest |
| 09:24.32 | clever | ? |
| 09:24.46 | mckenziemc1 | Practical Vengeance -- i went back to do it (you'd have to read the quest text to understand) |
| 09:25.12 | mckenziemc1 | i missed it at first so i had to go back |
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| 09:26.00 | clever | mckenziemc1: lol! |
| 09:31.13 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 09:50.40 | mitch0 | any volunteer to help test a new RangeDisplay feature? |
| 09:52.43 | airtonix | mitch0: done. you're too close if you can read this text. |
| 09:53.24 | mckenziemc1 | "I only hope that we don't end up getting beat down by inconspicuous birds, cats and trees next... or seals. Could you imagine it?" lol (druids) |
| 09:54.13 | mckenziemc1 | ["Bear" Steaks] O.o |
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| 10:10.53 | Jamash | Look at you, Avatar, a pathetic creature of beats and tones, panting and sweating as you dance into Mordor. |
| 10:11.35 | Jamash | I have played too many video games, and listened to too much dubstep, and now I am on nyquil! |
| 10:11.49 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 10:13.57 | Jamash | break all the pipes, for more good ideas! |
| 10:19.38 | karl_w_w | booo |
| 10:19.50 | karl_w_w | no interesting winodws updates |
| 10:21.45 | Jamash | uninteresting is good |
| 10:28.36 | Kalroth | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/microsoft-squashes-duqu-threat-with-windows-patch.ars |
| 10:32.49 | [Wobin] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZPoqNeR3_UA#! |
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| 10:47.27 | Fisker | no torture for half a year haste |
| 10:47.27 | Fisker | woo |
| 10:47.35 | haste | baww :( |
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| 10:51.05 | haste | Fisker: Geir Ståle Hatlemark (25) har spilt «WoW» intensivt i fem år, med over 300 dager totalt i spillet. Nå ser han fram til å begynne en jedi-tilværelse i «The Old Republic». |
| 10:51.40 | Fisker | i got over 300 days on my main |
| 10:51.55 | Fisker | also he is stupid |
| 10:53.00 | haste | I probably have well over 300 days on my characetrs combined =/ |
| 10:55.07 | Fisker | probably got closer to 400 on my characters combined :( |
| 10:59.09 | sylvanaar_work | i stopped counting |
| 10:59.29 | sylvanaar_work | ~ /played = life wasted |
| 11:00.26 | sylvanaar_work | although a large part of that was afk writing addons, so that part wasnt a waste |
| 11:01.20 | Mikk | i have an addon that counts it for me |
| 11:01.24 | Mikk | i haven't looked in a while :S |
| 11:01.28 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 11:02.08 | sylvanaar_work | ahaha |
| 11:02.29 | sylvanaar_work | http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/googles-response-to-siri-is-codenamed-majel-could-be-released-by-end-of-year/ |
| 11:03.00 | Mikk | 607d on primary account |
| 11:03.17 | Mikk | probably another 100 on the secondary |
| 11:04.56 | Fisker | should i fall of deathwing haste ? |
| 11:05.05 | Mikk | (of actually playing that is. not going to count the several hundred days of semiafk in AH) |
| 11:05.36 | Fisker | oh god |
| 11:05.39 | Fisker | oh god oh god |
| 11:05.45 | airtonix | sylvanaar_work: umad? |
| 11:05.51 | Fisker | got 180 on my alt |
| 11:05.57 | airtonix | also: old |
| 11:06.34 | karl_w_w | Jamash: not when there are still bugs to fix |
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| 11:07.40 | sylvanaar_work | airtonix: isad |
| 11:08.05 | Fisker | 520 days played :( |
| 11:08.40 | sylvanaar_work | Think of what you could have done with that time. Got a PhD, wrote a book, etc, etc, |
| 11:09.20 | Fisker | had sex with Scarlett Johansson? |
| 11:10.00 | sylvanaar_work | as long as you didn't have to wait for her to finish |
| 11:10.12 | Fisker | so how much of a joke is Ultraxion on LFR? :O |
| 11:12.31 | Fisker | i wish you could skip that stupid dragon event on ultraxion |
| 11:13.20 | karl_w_w | everything is a joke on lfr |
| 11:13.56 | karl_w_w | and if u could skip it they would add more trash |
| 11:14.19 | Fisker | didn't find fall of deathwing that easier from a mechanic point of view actually |
| 11:14.59 | Fisker | i wouldn't mind the same amount of trash placed strategicly around the temple |
| 11:15.04 | karl_w_w | except that u can ignore some of them |
| 11:15.32 | karl_w_w | ^the mechanics |
| 11:15.32 | Fisker | nope.avi? |
| 11:15.46 | karl_w_w | yep.mp4 |
| 11:16.12 | karl_w_w | u dont have to roll on spine for example |
| 11:16.16 | Fisker | didn't really see the difference |
| 11:16.23 | Fisker | i meant fall of deathwing |
| 11:16.27 | Fisker | or madness i guess |
| 11:16.30 | Fisker | doh |
| 11:16.31 | Fisker | i suck |
| 11:16.36 | Fisker | i meant the last encounter :P |
| 11:16.49 | Fisker | haven't done anything but madness of deathwing in LFR yet |
| 11:16.52 | karl_w_w | yeah u can ignore the little things that grow out of his claw |
| 11:16.58 | Fisker | you can? |
| 11:17.01 | karl_w_w | assuming you do alex 3rd |
| 11:17.09 | karl_w_w | yeah just burn the claw down under hero |
| 11:17.12 | karl_w_w | no worries |
| 11:18.43 | karl_w_w | hell it's probably 1 tankable by now |
| 11:21.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 11:21.59 | Fisker | YUUUUUUUUUUUUS |
| 11:22.01 | Fisker | 2p T13 now |
| 11:23.09 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 11:23.13 | karl_w_w | i have login queuye |
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| 11:23.21 | karl_w_w | whats going on |
| 11:24.27 | karl_w_w | i guess that's the result of being on the US #1 realm :P |
| 11:42.04 | karl_w_w | so here's a question, why did they nerf H fall, when nobody has even seen H fall yet |
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| 12:06.53 | Cide | ? |
| 12:06.57 | Cide | spine of deathwing |
| 12:07.04 | karl_w_w | i meant madness |
| 12:07.11 | karl_w_w | Fisker infected me |
| 12:07.17 | Cide | madness was not nerfed? |
| 12:07.27 | karl_w_w | think it was |
| 12:07.34 | Cide | quote |
| 12:08.31 | karl_w_w | ah apparently im going crazy |
| 12:09.31 | Cide | yes |
| 12:11.32 | Maldivia | going? |
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| 12:19.17 | Phelps | I thought I was losing a lot of BGs so I made this, I was right |
| 12:19.20 | Phelps | http://bg.64bits.co/ |
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| 12:20.02 | Cide | what is the common denominator? |
| 12:20.26 | amro | 1 |
| 12:20.32 | Cide | Phelps |
| 12:20.48 | Phelps | common denominator ? |
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| 12:21.06 | Cide | you are the one thing that is constant across those bgs |
| 12:21.11 | Cide | so clearly you must be the reason you lose so much |
| 12:21.30 | Cide | jokes aside I don't think anyone disputes that a given battlegroup has uneven wins/losses |
| 12:21.31 | Phelps | i might be a 10th or 25th of the reason we lose |
| 12:21.45 | Phelps | but I’m not the reason alone |
| 12:21.46 | Phelps | :p |
| 12:22.03 | Phelps | but yeah, this is on Blackrock |
| 12:22.05 | Cide | but since it's even if you take all battlegroups into account there's not much blizzard can do about it |
| 12:22.15 | Cide | it's clearly not map imbalance |
| 12:22.29 | Phelps | I think its the number of bots tbh |
| 12:23.02 | Cide | I doubt that there would be significantly more bots on one faction than the other over such a large sample |
| 12:23.12 | Phelps | ehh, true |
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| 12:24.30 | Phelps | from all the data points I got, horde don’t suck on thursdays |
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| 12:25.10 | Phelps | its AV weekend, so I’ll probably just keep queuing randoms, Alliance always win AV |
| 12:25.36 | Phelps | thats something alliance can do, go balls to the walls on ONE thing |
| 12:25.37 | Phelps | haha |
| 12:26.33 | clever | haste: i checked ingame, and the entire sunken table is 'live' |
| 12:26.51 | clever | but the main hallway to get to the whole thing is now the exit portal |
| 12:27.27 | clever | only feasible way to the old half i can think of, is to somehow jump up to the balcony's or bypass the portal |
| 12:27.39 | haste | exploration! |
| 12:27.43 | Phelps | lag switch |
| 12:27.50 | Phelps | you can do some nifty things with lag |
| 12:27.52 | karl_w_w | so btw, why is it that thrall was entrusted with the world-saving? |
| 12:28.12 | clever | haste: also, at the center of the live dungeon, is a grate in the floor |
| 12:28.17 | clever | thru that, you can see into the old half |
| 12:28.29 | haste | need to check it out after work~ |
| 12:28.51 | Phelps | the old part of st is still there ? |
| 12:29.01 | clever | Phelps: yes |
| 12:29.05 | clever | but the hallway to access it is now the exit portal |
| 12:29.35 | Phelps | i guess there really is no reason to remove it |
| 12:29.41 | Phelps | disk space isn’t an issue these days |
| 12:30.10 | clever | yep |
| 12:30.22 | clever | simpler to just block access and leave it as-is |
| 12:30.31 | Phelps | i seen some cool stuff before they fixed wall jumping |
| 12:30.48 | Phelps | but geez |
| 12:30.54 | Phelps | that was way back in 2.4 i think |
| 12:31.20 | clever | the only way i can see the old stuff right now is via the map viewer |
| 12:31.46 | Phelps | i was working on some code for the wow server MaNGOS |
| 12:32.00 | Phelps | and it has a pretty awesome ray tracer I used to find places to get to |
| 12:32.07 | clever | i bumped into that project trying to fix the map viewer |
| 12:32.15 | Phelps | you might check it out |
| 12:32.22 | clever | whoever was maintaining the project, was doing a poor job |
| 12:32.29 | clever | every Makefile in the svn repo was broken |
| 12:32.39 | Phelps | yeah, its pretty bad |
| 12:32.40 | Phelps | they switched to CMAKE |
| 12:32.42 | Phelps | bad idea imo |
| 12:32.51 | clever | it was trying to #include DBCFile.h, which couldnt be found |
| 12:32.52 | Phelps | but I still like the project |
| 12:32.53 | Cide | why hate on cmake |
| 12:32.59 | Phelps | no hate |
| 12:33.01 | clever | so a google search led me to mangos |
| 12:33.08 | clever | the next day, i found dbcfile.h! |
| 12:33.13 | Phelps | but it was working fine the old way |
| 12:33.13 | clever | case sensitive :P |
| 12:33.38 | Cide | change for the better can still be a good idea |
| 12:33.42 | Phelps | the way it calculates LoS is pretty cool |
| 12:33.43 | Cide | even if the current "works" |
| 12:33.45 | clever | turns out, i didnt need the mangos code, it was just a case change |
| 12:34.06 | clever | Phelps: i dont see any sign of cmake |
| 12:34.13 | clever | its just that they renamed half the .cpp files |
| 12:34.16 | clever | and didnt fix the makefile |
| 12:34.21 | Phelps | then they switched back o.O |
| 12:34.30 | Cide | ok that is pretty stupid |
| 12:34.37 | Cide | brb reboot |
| 12:34.37 | Phelps | https://github.com/mangos/mangos |
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| 12:34.51 | Phelps | plenty of CMAKE junk there |
| 12:34.52 | clever | Cide: i think they where using visual studio to do the actual compiles |
| 12:35.01 | clever | so the makefile's where all leftover |
| 12:35.11 | Phelps | I wrote a guide on how to compile it on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 12:35.15 | Phelps | but that was years ago now |
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| 12:35.44 | clever | the last commit to the wowmapviewer svn was back in march |
| 12:35.51 | clever | the project is almost dead |
| 12:35.53 | Phelps | lul |
| 12:36.01 | clever | 6 duplicate tickets on the site about it not working |
| 12:36.23 | clever | http://code.google.com/p/wowmapviewer/issues/list |
| 12:36.28 | Cide | ah, clever |
| 12:36.41 | clever | it also clearly says to click the star if you have the same problem, i see a dozen 'me too' posts, which it said not to do :P |
| 12:38.13 | clever | Phelps: hmmm, looks like i didnt get mangos |
| 12:38.18 | clever | its something called trinity core |
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| 12:44.35 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:44.48 | bluspacecow | there's an actual error 418 for an HTTP status code ? |
| 12:45.07 | Mikk | "I'm a teapot" |
| 12:45.08 | Mikk | iirc |
| 12:45.21 | clever | yep, thats what wikipedia says |
| 12:45.31 | clever | ' This code was defined in 1998 as one of the traditional IETF April Fools' jokes, in RFC 2324, Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol, and is not expected to be implemented by actual HTTP servers. However, known implementations do exist.[13]' |
| 12:46.00 | Mikk | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 |
| 12:46.23 | bluspacecow | LOLZ |
| 12:48.11 | clever | i'm half tempted to make something that actualy runs that and makes coffee! |
| 12:48.27 | clever | trouble would be finding a browser that supports it |
| 12:49.05 | clever | Phelps: you know anything about the outdoor maps? |
| 12:49.11 | Phelps | clever: trinity core is a fork of mangos |
| 12:49.16 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol |
| 12:50.11 | clever | Phelps: from what ive seen so far, only instances work on the map viewer, and the outdoor stuff is only low-res |
| 12:50.29 | clever | untextured polygons for filling the horizon |
| 12:52.38 | Phelps | clever: let me try and find the tool I used |
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| 12:56.37 | router45 | Heya |
| 12:57.51 | router45 | I'm trying to come up with something. It probably exists somewhere. I need to implement a data structure sort of a like a search tree. It may be completely imbalanced and may have any numbers of branches and doesn't need to be sorted, but has to be hierarchical, and have fast insertion/removal and very fast traversal |
| 12:58.06 | router45 | In Lua of course. It may be traversed many times a second in OnUpdates |
| 12:59.37 | [Wobin] | router45: what's it storing? |
| 13:00.10 | krka_ | sounds like a trie sort if |
| 13:00.12 | krka_ | *sort of |
| 13:00.22 | router45 | Functions to be called |
| 13:00.47 | router45 | But they need to be heirarchical. If I search starting from 3 branches down, I want only everything on that branch leading to the end of it. Nothing before it. |
| 13:00.56 | router45 | If it starts at the root, it calls everything |
| 13:01.39 | router45 | Using pairs and tables wasn't difficult whatsoever but it seems so inefficient this way. |
| 13:01.55 | [Wobin] | well, everything ends up being tables =) |
| 13:02.21 | router45 | But I want to avoid tiered calls to pairs with recursion. Pairs in pairs in pairs, etc. |
| 13:03.25 | router45 | It just seems inelegant to me. It looks like my code has no idea where it's going and is just plowing through hoping it finds the end. |
| 13:03.42 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 13:03.47 | [Wobin] | how else can you store the references? |
| 13:03.58 | Fisker | i do not need more torture for half a year |
| 13:04.10 | router45 | Well using tables of sorts. Something different than just a [key]=value dictionary though |
| 13:04.28 | Phelps | clever: can’t find it :( |
| 13:04.36 | clever | Phelps: :( |
| 13:04.42 | clever | if you do happen to find it, leave a pm |
| 13:04.42 | Phelps | only thing I found was a perl script that opened it |
| 13:04.46 | Phelps | k |
| 13:04.48 | clever | things can get lost in the channel |
| 13:05.01 | clever | i'll keep reading the source i have |
| 13:05.03 | Phelps | and on my backup drives apparently lol |
| 13:05.05 | clever | its got comments here and there that explain some things |
| 13:05.18 | clever | like this one, 'WDL files contain a low-resolution heightmap for a world. This is probably what the WoW client uses to draw the solid-colored mountain ranges in the background ('in front of' the sky, but 'behind' the fog and the rest of the scenery).' |
| 13:05.37 | clever | this seems to be the only thing i get outdoors |
| 13:06.01 | clever | i'm trying to edit it and force a texture on things, so i can see the shape better |
| 13:08.20 | Phelps | also, the viewer i had i made for mac |
| 13:08.30 | Phelps | so getting it to work on windows/linux would be up to you |
| 13:09.17 | clever | i think i'm seeing an odd hole in the WDL image when its rendering |
| 13:09.40 | clever | i have a feeling its leaving the tile i'm on out, to put in the proper stuff, but its hard to tell with no textures |
| 13:15.39 | router45 | Alright I don't care. But since I'm here I am curious about something. I see Lua's adding proper GOTO statements. Is there any actual necessity for GOTO statements that cannot be accomplished with recursion? I can't think of any. |
| 13:15.58 | Mikk | recursion and goto are unrelated |
| 13:16.06 | Mikk | goto however is very good to break out of deeply nested loops |
| 13:16.21 | Mikk | or "goto cleanup" at the end of a function |
| 13:16.26 | router45 | Ah I see |
| 13:16.40 | Ycarene | Does lua have catch/throw like statements? |
| 13:16.43 | Mikk | no |
| 13:16.45 | Mikk | well |
| 13:16.52 | Mikk | you can overload error() and pcall() |
| 13:17.05 | router45 | Never used GOTOs myself, and the only scenario I could think to use it, would be to replace ugly instances of recursion |
| 13:17.06 | Mikk | but it's not exactly efficient |
| 13:17.35 | Mikk | "goto cleanup" for bailing out of a failed function is <3 |
| 13:17.41 | router45 | lol |
| 13:18.14 | router45 | I imagine it's a bit more efficient when breaking out of deep loops? Or does that probably depend on how well Lua's compiler optimizes them |
| 13:18.19 | foxlit | continue, tbh. |
| 13:18.32 | Mikk | continue doesn't break out of loops derpderp |
| 13:18.38 | foxlit | the one keyword I actually miss. |
| 13:18.46 | Mikk | well goto fixes that |
| 13:18.50 | Mikk | put the label at the end of the loop |
| 13:18.51 | foxlit | screw breaking out of loops, you have return for that |
| 13:19.13 | Mikk | then you have to put the loops in a function |
| 13:19.16 | Mikk | which only gets used once |
| 13:19.18 | Mikk | that's bad programming |
| 13:19.19 | foxlit | that's straight out of horrible code 101 :) |
| 13:19.26 | Mikk | no |
| 13:19.28 | Mikk | really |
| 13:19.35 | Mikk | i know how all teachers say "never goto never goto never goto" |
| 13:19.40 | foxlit | for i=.... do .... continue1234: end |
| 13:19.41 | Mikk | but that's old wisdom from BASIC |
| 13:19.46 | Mikk | where you would goto to earlier code |
| 13:19.51 | Mikk | and that causes all sorts of horror |
| 13:20.08 | router45 | Why would they say never goto if a lot of languages seem to implement it? |
| 13:20.22 | Mikk | it's religious to some people |
| 13:20.26 | Mikk | doesn't have to make sense |
| 13:20.41 | Mikk | a pragmatic programmer uses goto when it makes sense. always down. never up. |
| 13:20.47 | router45 | I mean looking through addons I've seen poor use of a lot of things. But I've never come across an idea that I would say is 100% useless 100% of the time. |
| 13:21.01 | foxlit | teehee, pragmatic and absolutes in the same sentence |
| 13:21.14 | Mikk | fair point fox :P |
| 13:21.39 | Mikk | (but a lot of compilers won't let you goto across variable initializations for instance) |
| 13:22.11 | router45 | Isn't it the compilers job to take care of that? |
| 13:22.20 | foxlit | c89 is the only language that matters(tm) |
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| 13:23.58 | Phelps | lol |
| 13:27.20 | clever | Phelps: looks like the coords->yards is constant between all maps, that helps |
| 13:27.38 | clever | very diff from the ingame coords, where it scales with the size/shape of the zone |
| 13:28.58 | Phelps | in-game coords are stupid |
| 13:29.09 | Phelps | you can get the world xyz though |
| 13:29.17 | Phelps | not via lua, but its in memory |
| 13:29.51 | clever | best to just avoid that stuff, id like to keep my acct :P |
| 13:29.58 | Phelps | lol |
| 13:30.41 | clever | http://www.pxr.dk/wowdev/wiki/index.php?title=ADT/v18 this explains things well |
| 13:30.50 | clever | and is matching up with the logs of opened files so far |
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| 13:58.20 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | good morning, Lunessa! |
| 13:59.00 | Lunessa | It is morning. Jury still out on the 'good' part. |
| 13:59.41 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Grumplestiltskin. |
| 13:59.59 | nevcairiel | Aion is going free to play, another failed mmo hits the dust |
| 14:00.18 | Lunessa | So, Blizzard's holiday gift to their staff is a stunning Queen of Blades statuette. |
| 14:00.43 | Lunessa | is jelly. |
| 14:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. She's hot. |
| 14:09.23 | Lunessa | You know what would make the morning all better? Caffeine and sugar. BRB |
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| 14:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, that usually helps. *hug* |
| 14:15.36 | Maldivia | what makes morning all better... being able to turn around and fall asleep again |
| 14:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | You're evil. |
| 14:16.02 | Maldivia | ... but it's true |
| 14:16.28 | Lopeppeppy | Cruel |
| 14:16.33 | Maldivia | bows |
| 14:17.29 | Lunessa | This is one of the few weeks during the year where I have to get up at 6:45am; the rest of the time I get up at like 9:30am or later. |
| 14:17.37 | Lunessa | And I *hate* it. |
| 14:18.33 | Lopeppeppy | School break fuxxors your schedule all to hell. |
| 14:18.44 | Lunessa | Yes, yes it does. |
| 14:19.49 | Lunessa | And once grades are all input tomorrow, I get to go through Active Directory and rename accounts for all those people who got married/divorced/adopted/etc. during the semester. Tomorrow is going to be a day of seething hate and rage. |
| 14:20.42 | amro | unleash your rage on someone's scorecard |
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| 14:21.03 | amro | FFFFFFFFUUUUU |
| 14:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, yes, account maintenance! That happens after Xmas for me, because it trickles down after our LDAP stuff is done. Since it's not like I could be tied into that system, I have to maintain users by hand. From a list, with a ruler and pencil. |
| 14:21.05 | amro | is U even a grade? |
| 14:21.29 | Phelps | it is now |
| 14:21.59 | Phelps | such a depressing day |
| 14:22.04 | Lunessa | Depends on the system your school is using. |
| 14:22.10 | Phelps | cold and sprinkling |
| 14:22.29 | Lunessa | We have a "U" and an "I" |
| 14:22.30 | amro | that's a strange scoring system Phelps |
| 14:23.05 | Phelps | I’ve gotten I’s before when I was in high school |
| 14:23.16 | Phelps | and Ns |
| 14:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | We have U's... I forget what they are for though. |
| 14:23.36 | Lunessa | Here it means "Incomplete" - that grade means your eligible for an extension or to retake the course. |
| 14:23.44 | Phelps | i think I was for Incomplete and N was for Not Applicable |
| 14:24.03 | Phelps | yeah |
| 14:24.07 | Phelps | I got Is on a few tests |
| 14:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | S/U - Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory. Basically, taking a class on a pass/fail option instead of a standard grading. |
| 14:24.44 | amro | academia sucks |
| 14:24.45 | Phelps | half my teachers graded on a curve |
| 14:24.53 | amro | glad I dropped out |
| 14:25.01 | Cide | hyperbolic curve?! |
| 14:25.08 | Phelps | lol |
| 14:25.10 | Phelps | don’t think so |
| 14:25.19 | Cide | weaksauce |
| 14:25.20 | Phelps | lowest grade = A |
| 14:25.24 | Phelps | pretty much |
| 14:25.30 | Phelps | so if the best grade was a 30% |
| 14:25.45 | Lunessa | This is a strange, sad place to work. But, it's a job, with benefits and a retirement package in an economy where more than 10% of people are unemployed. *sigh* |
| 14:25.46 | Phelps | pretty much everyone passed |
| 14:26.16 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, Lunessa. |
| 14:26.45 | Lunessa | Eseentially, the only way I'm ever getting a promotion here is for someone to die or retire. |
| 14:26.52 | amro | they should clean toilets Lunessa |
| 14:26.55 | amro | it's what uncle gingrich said |
| 14:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm afraid to go pick up my portfolio today. I had a 1.6 at mid-semester, I'm really hoping I broke the 2.0 mark... |
| 14:28.02 | amro | I have no clue what that scale is |
| 14:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | 0.0 - 4.0 |
| 14:28.15 | amro | when I was in school, I aimed for a passing grade and spent the rest of my time playing with compilers |
| 14:28.37 | amro | I was pretty good at getting exactly a passing grade and nothing more |
| 14:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | http://catalog.skidmore.edu/content.php?catoid=5&navoid=179#Grade-Point_Average__GPA_ |
| 14:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | 1.3 and lower is "failing" |
| 14:29.34 | amro | yeah I remember GPAs |
| 14:29.53 | amro | I had a 3.8 my first year in the american system I think |
| 14:29.57 | Lunessa | amro: Some people are unemployed for reasons of pride and won't take some sorts of jobs. There was a time when I unloaded vegetables from a truck for minimum wage because I couldn't get anything else. I dread ever being back in the position where my skills, experience and knowledge are so valueless that only my physical labor has value to an employer. But I'd do it instead of starve, you betcha. |
| 14:29.58 | amro | 2.x the next because i got bored |
| 14:30.13 | Phelps | I was removed from all computers in high school, haha |
| 14:30.26 | Phelps | they wouldn’t let me near one |
| 14:30.35 | amro | Lunessa: I was taking a shot a gingrich being out of touch with reality. I've done my fair share of manual labor |
| 14:30.53 | Lunessa | amro: All the political professionals are out of touch. |
| 14:30.57 | Lunessa | ALL of them. |
| 14:31.16 | amro | my VB class teacher in junior high let me have access to the lab whenever because I basically taught the class for her |
| 14:31.32 | amro | I'm not kidding, she just browsed around amazon while I gave people help with their assignments |
| 14:31.35 | Lunessa | Seeing as it takes millions to get elected to dog catcher, they forget what it's like to live in a world where $30K annually is "a life" |
| 14:32.06 | amro | Lunessa: oh sure, but some at least pretend to know what it's like |
| 14:32.19 | Lunessa | key word there being *pretend* |
| 14:32.23 | amro | indeed |
| 14:32.29 | Lunessa | Throw the bums out. ALL OF THEM. |
| 14:32.39 | Phelps | lol |
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| 14:32.52 | Phelps | ALL OF THE MONEY |
| 14:32.52 | Phelps | reminds me of the ASPCA poster |
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| 14:39.03 | Lunessa | I really hate how everyone calls their frame "Frame" - that's like calling all of your variables "variable" |
| 14:39.35 | kullervo | call them ., .., ..., etc |
| 14:39.47 | Lunessa | DIAF |
| 14:39.53 | kullervo | ha ha |
| 14:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, or |, ||, ||| |
| 14:41.09 | Lunessa | Don't name things with reserved characters! |
| 14:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a bitch, I'm a lover... Was that a pipe, or a capital I? |
| 14:43.06 | Lunessa | Oh you used a pipe. A lead one. |
| 14:44.45 | Maldivia | Lunessa: seems very common in a lot of UI programming (be that wow-lua, java, whatever) that the variables for the individual widgets use a naming including the widget-type (so basically, some kind of hugarian notation) |
| 14:45.48 | Lunessa | Maldivia: It just irritates me. If I were working in a shop with code-reviews I'd ding each person who named each widget "widget". |
| 14:47.36 | [Wobin] | as long as they clarified what sort of widget, I'm fine with using widget in the name |
| 14:49.41 | Maldivia | Lunessa: well... depends on the scope of the variable, I'd say :P |
| 14:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'll name it "plugin" instead. :P |
| 14:49.56 | Lunessa | Yes, I know. But lazy code is lazy. |
| 14:50.23 | Lunessa | L-a-z-y - and yes, I'm guilty too. But I try to be better than that. |
| 14:50.30 | [Wobin] | one of my classmates during my uni course named all her variables a, b, c, d, etc |
| 14:50.30 | Maldivia | I think I have a lot of my wow-lua code with ui functions containing: local frame = CreateFrame("Frame"....) |
| 14:50.38 | [Wobin] | then cycled to 'aa' 'bb' 'cc'.... |
| 14:50.49 | [Wobin] | "Can you help me debug my code?" |
| 14:50.53 | [Wobin] | "... No." |
| 14:51.43 | Kalroth | "but there's something wrong with the 'bbb' variable, it's supposed to contain a reference to 'y', but it seems to show the value of 'dd' or 'mm'" |
| 14:51.52 | haste | I always name my variables l1 l11 ll1 and so on |
| 14:52.01 | haste | oh and Ii1 |
| 14:52.02 | Phelps | use _a, _b, _c |
| 14:52.07 | Phelps | job security |
| 14:52.29 | Phelps | write all your comments in piglatin |
| 14:52.34 | Kalroth | i, x and y for ints, s for strings - thats about it |
| 14:52.50 | Kalroth | (when i need trash variables that i dont care about) |
| 14:53.16 | Phelps | i_name_everything_very_verbose_so_i_always_know_what_it_is |
| 14:53.47 | Kalroth | iLikeThatIdeaItMakesYourSourceCodeMuchEasierToUnderstand |
| 14:54.09 | amro | why are you avoiding spaces and other characters? |
| 14:54.15 | amro | _G["hey guys what's up"] |
| 14:54.32 | Kalroth | that's a key, not a variable |
| 14:54.37 | Kalroth | _G is your variable, silly! |
| 14:54.52 | amro | as far as lua is concerned, "hey guys what's up" is a global variable |
| 14:55.07 | Kalroth | myGlobalTable["Suppp guis!1"] |
| 14:55.35 | Phelps | variable_storage_location { player_x_location_on_map = 1 } |
| 14:55.43 | Phelps | lolol |
| 14:55.44 | amro | why would you avoid polluting _G? it's not like we're talking about good programming practices |
| 14:55.51 | Kalroth | yes we are |
| 14:56.16 | Kalroth | orDoYouNotThinkThatThisIsAGoodProgrammingPractice?? |
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| 14:56.43 | Phelps | $ is a valid variable name in js |
| 14:56.54 | Phelps | i love naming stuff $$$$$ |
| 14:56.54 | Kalroth | no it isn't, it belongs to jquery |
| 14:57.04 | Phelps | dolla doll bill yall |
| 14:57.13 | Phelps | ohh right |
| 14:57.14 | haste | for thisVaribleWasDefinedByHasteToHoldTheCurrentStateOfTheIterator = 1, 10 do ... end |
| 14:57.17 | Phelps | $ = jquery now |
| 14:57.43 | amro | I hate it when people use 'the' in names |
| 14:57.46 | amro | like theVariable |
| 14:57.53 | amro | as opposed to aVariable? asshole |
| 14:58.06 | Phelps | function $(a) { return document.getElementByID(a); }; |
| 14:58.09 | Kalroth | for thisVaribleWasDefinedByHasteToHoldTheCurrentStateOfTheIteratorMaxValueWillBeTen = 1, 10 do ... end |
| 14:58.14 | Kalroth | haste: fixed for you |
| 14:58.16 | Phelps | best js function ever |
| 14:58.17 | Phelps | imo |
| 14:58.53 | amro | € |
| 14:58.53 | haste | oh thanks Kalroth, you should add UpdateByKalroth ! |
| 14:58.56 | amro | is better |
| 14:59.00 | Kalroth | haste: ooh right |
| 14:59.01 | haste | that way we don't break the SCM-purpose of it |
| 14:59.03 | [Wobin] | as opposed to just using jquery? |
| 14:59.07 | amro | don't forget the commit hash |
| 14:59.13 | Kalroth | for thisVaribleWasDefinedByHasteToHoldTheCurrentStateOfTheIteratorMaxValueWillBeTenUpdatedByKalrothRevision3 = 1, 10 do ... end |
| 14:59.38 | Kalroth | variables should contain owners and revision number |
| 14:59.38 | amro | and so the polar opposite of perl code was born |
| 15:00.05 | [Wobin] | just define a local reference called tVWDBHTHTCSOTIMVWBTUBKR3 |
| 15:00.28 | Phelps | better keep pointers for all changes |
| 15:00.36 | Phelps | for backwards compatibility |
| 15:00.49 | Phelps | tVWDBHTHTCSOTIMVWBT = tVWDBHTHTCSOTIMVWBTUBKR3 |
| 15:00.53 | Phelps | just in case |
| 15:00.57 | Kalroth | @#½¤%¤/&%#¤&§¤%&@!/@"%% <- facebook coded in perl, without the spyware though |
| 15:01.09 | Phelps | haha |
| 15:01.39 | Cide | are you sure that's not just a javascript variable |
| 15:01.43 | Kalroth | perl examples are also used as comic book rage texts |
| 15:02.06 | Kalroth | Cide: it compiles in both languages! |
| 15:02.06 | Phelps | i love how python |
| 15:02.08 | Phelps | ohh wait |
| 15:02.15 | Phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.27 | Cide | ohh wait: |
| 15:02.28 | Cide | you mea |
| 15:02.29 | Cide | mean |
| 15:02.31 | Kalroth | facebook in python would be 80% whitespace |
| 15:03.03 | Cide | in whitespace it would be 100% whitespace |
| 15:03.23 | Phelps | they need to make python and ruby easy to deploy |
| 15:03.26 | Kalroth | yes, so that makes python a slight improvement over whitespace |
| 15:03.30 | Cide | python is easy to deploy |
| 15:03.40 | Phelps | not as easy as PHP |
| 15:03.48 | Cide | easier imo |
| 15:03.57 | Phelps | how so |
| 15:04.07 | Kalroth | download ActivePython, wait 15 minutes to copy 3049850346509234523 files to your harddrive, type "python script.py" |
| 15:04.07 | Phelps | all you gotta do is upload PHP |
| 15:04.13 | Cide | upload php? |
| 15:04.23 | Phelps | upload to public_html, done |
| 15:04.35 | Cide | assuming the server supports php |
| 15:04.37 | Cide | that is not deployment |
| 15:04.46 | Phelps | what server doesn’t though really |
| 15:04.50 | Phelps | sure it is |
| 15:04.51 | Kalroth | python isn't a web scriptlanguage anyways |
| 15:05.01 | Kalroth | it's only used for bash scripts and other simple things |
| 15:05.04 | Cide | I thought you mean deploying php support to a server |
| 15:05.06 | Phelps | yeah |
| 15:05.18 | Cide | not deploying a php project to a php-capable server |
| 15:05.24 | Phelps | tell Django that |
| 15:05.34 | Phelps | or webpy |
| 15:05.43 | Cide | tell django what |
| 15:05.44 | Phelps | oor Pylons |
| 15:05.47 | Kalroth | Django is pretty silly |
| 15:05.50 | Phelps | or Bottle |
| 15:05.51 | Cide | how so |
| 15:06.08 | Phelps | or every other of the 10k web frameworks for python |
| 15:06.15 | Cide | deploying django to a webserver (I have done it on apache, lighttpd and nginx) is super easy |
| 15:06.47 | amro | I don't have php on my server |
| 15:06.49 | Cide | and deploying a project is as simple as uploading it (anywhere! not just in public_html!) and changing a path variable in the webserver config |
| 15:06.51 | Cide | bam |
| 15:06.55 | amro | it takes me about 8 seconds to deploy a rails application though |
| 15:06.57 | Kalroth | what if i run Python 3.0, Cide?? |
| 15:07.05 | Cide | what if you do |
| 15:07.11 | amro | then everything breaks kalroth |
| 15:07.13 | Kalroth | "Django does not currently work with Python 3.0" |
| 15:07.13 | amro | everything breaks! |
| 15:07.37 | Cide | what happens if you try to deploy ace to wow 6.0 |
| 15:07.44 | Phelps | I’ve never setup Django and it just work |
| 15:07.45 | Cide | your question is pointless |
| 15:07.46 | Kalroth | is there a wow 6.0? |
| 15:07.49 | Phelps | I’ve set it up plenty of times |
| 15:07.52 | Cide | ? |
| 15:07.55 | Kalroth | i thought it was only at 4.x? |
| 15:07.56 | Cide | it's easy to setup... |
| 15:07.56 | Phelps | but never has it “just worked" |
| 15:07.58 | Lunessa | Django makes me think of Westerns. "Git a rope!" and "Now, We RIDE!" |
| 15:08.05 | airtonix | cide, umad? |
| 15:08.08 | Cide | maybe you're doing it wrong |
| 15:08.11 | Cide | nah man |
| 15:08.12 | Kalroth | Lunessa: thats how you have to work it too |
| 15:08.15 | amro | why would you have python3 though? |
| 15:08.22 | [Wobin] | this is fantastic |
| 15:08.23 | [Wobin] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZPoqNeR3_UA#! |
| 15:08.24 | amro | I don't think anything's been ported yet |
| 15:08.30 | [Wobin] | I've been running this in the background all night |
| 15:08.31 | Cide | a lot of stuff has been |
| 15:08.31 | Kalroth | amro: i wouldn't, i wouldn't have any python installed at all |
| 15:08.37 | [Wobin] | it's so soothing =P |
| 15:08.41 | amro | Cide: but not enough to make the full switch |
| 15:08.43 | Cide | django also has a py3k branch that is like 90% complete |
| 15:08.48 | airtonix | Kalroth: lolactivepython.l2pythonnoob |
| 15:08.57 | Kalroth | airtonix: you're late to the party |
| 15:08.58 | Cide | I think 6 tests broke on it last I read about it |
| 15:09.03 | Kalroth | [16:04] <Kalroth> download ActivePython, wait 15 minutes to copy 3049850346509234523 files to your harddrive, type "python script.py" |
| 15:09.10 | airtonix | Kalroth: the best gets brewed with time |
| 15:09.22 | airtonix | umad? |
| 15:09.25 | Kalroth | ya |
| 15:09.28 | Kalroth | madder than Fisker |
| 15:09.36 | Cide | plus |
| 15:09.39 | airtonix | mad enough to lean out windows? |
| 15:09.43 | Cide | why would you ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use php |
| 15:09.52 | Kalroth | why would you ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use python |
| 15:09.53 | airtonix | Cide: when you're brain damaged |
| 15:09.57 | Lunessa | I'm mad as hell and I'm NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! |
| 15:10.03 | Cide | because python is a good language |
| 15:10.07 | Cide | unlike php |
| 15:10.12 | Kalroth | no it isn't |
| 15:10.14 | Phelps | php is horrible |
| 15:10.16 | Kalroth | python is a bad language |
| 15:10.16 | Phelps | but its my job |
| 15:10.21 | Phelps | and i love it |
| 15:10.49 | airtonix | your job must suck |
| 15:10.54 | airtonix | since it's not mine |
| 15:10.58 | Phelps | idk |
| 15:10.58 | airtonix | and my job is awesome |
| 15:11.03 | Phelps | i get to work at home |
| 15:11.05 | Phelps | when i want |
| 15:11.10 | airtonix | therefore it must suck |
| 15:11.11 | Phelps | w/e hours i want |
| 15:11.28 | Phelps | i do all my meetings with no pants on |
| 15:11.32 | Phelps | take that |
| 15:11.38 | airtonix | you must be unreliable |
| 15:11.49 | airtonix | "sorry phelps is busy masturbating" |
| 15:11.57 | airtonix | boss: FUUUUUUU |
| 15:12.05 | Phelps | nah |
| 15:12.13 | Phelps | they don’t really bug me |
| 15:12.21 | airtonix | you missed the point |
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| 15:14.59 | amro | I can see criticizing python, but doing it to defend php? |
| 15:15.02 | amro | madness itself |
| 15:17.01 | Lunessa | PHP is the devil's work. |
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| 15:18.42 | amro | Lunessa: judging by the state of the world today, I'd say the devil works with more effective languages |
| 15:19.13 | Phelps | i wouldn’t defend PHP |
| 15:19.21 | Phelps | PHP does some really stupid stuff |
| 15:19.30 | Phelps | and teaches horrible coding methods |
| 15:19.48 | Phelps | but its extremely popular, quick to develop, easy to debug |
| 15:20.01 | Phelps | scales fairly well |
| 15:20.28 | Phelps | and the job market for it is huge right now |
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| 15:21.10 | Phelps | Facebook runs on PHP, given its compile into opcode and ran from cache, but its still PHP |
| 15:21.11 | Phelps | lol |
| 15:21.31 | Lunessa | You're just making my point for me. |
| 15:21.38 | Kalroth | PHP > Python |
| 15:21.48 | Kalroth | just look at the amount of users, i rest my case! |
| 15:21.51 | [Wobin] | Lunessa: I think he's agreeing with you =P |
| 15:22.11 | Phelps | being a PHP developer by profession, of course I agree |
| 15:22.13 | Phelps | lol |
| 15:22.20 | Kalroth | i disagree with you |
| 15:22.23 | foxlit | "Phelps: being a PHP developer by profession" << we're so very sorry. |
| 15:22.30 | [Wobin] | you poor thing =( |
| 15:22.32 | Phelps | its ok |
| 15:22.36 | [Wobin] | pats Phelps on the back |
| 15:22.40 | Phelps | I get paid _a lot_ |
| 15:22.44 | Kalroth | it could be worse really |
| 15:22.51 | [Wobin] | well yes, there's that. |
| 15:22.51 | Kalroth | imagine being a Lua developer by profession |
| 15:22.54 | [Wobin] | then there's dignity =) |
| 15:23.05 | Phelps | Kalroth: rofl… no such thing |
| 15:23.16 | Lunessa | Meh, you could still be working in COBOL |
| 15:23.23 | [Wobin] | now -that- pays a lot |
| 15:23.27 | Phelps | brainfuck is where its at |
| 15:23.30 | Kalroth | or a Python developer by profession, having to fix the whitespaces of your dumb coworkers at every checkout |
| 15:23.30 | Phelps | amirite |
| 15:23.30 | foxlit | Lua needs a threading model, tbh |
| 15:23.50 | Phelps | PHP needs a thread…. ROFL HAHAHAHA |
| 15:23.54 | foxlit | Then we can write even more awesomely bad code. |
| 15:24.08 | [Wobin] | giving php programmers access to threading |
| 15:24.13 | [Wobin] | ... are you insane? =P |
| 15:24.16 | Cide | why would you "fix the whitespaces" in python |
| 15:24.24 | Phelps | foxlit: yeah, man this is slow, probably because the code is bad, lets just thread it, problem solved |
| 15:24.32 | Kalroth | because their editor set tabs to 4 characters |
| 15:24.42 | Cide | per python coding guidelines |
| 15:24.47 | Phelps | ohh |
| 15:24.51 | Kalroth | sane people use 2 characters |
| 15:24.52 | Phelps | if you use 2 space tabes |
| 15:24.53 | Phelps | tabs * |
| 15:24.57 | [Wobin] | just have a checkin block if it doesn't compile =P |
| 15:25.00 | Phelps | you can go die in a fire right now |
| 15:25.14 | Kalroth | i prefer seeing code on my screen, not whitespace |
| 15:25.18 | Cide | besides |
| 15:25.22 | Cide | just use tabs |
| 15:25.25 | Phelps | i know a php dev that uses 1 space for tabs |
| 15:25.30 | Kalroth | no, tabs are bad |
| 15:25.34 | Cide | clearly |
| 15:25.51 | Kalroth | i use tabs to tabulate to the next inputbox, not to make Python compile without errors! |
| 15:25.56 | Cide | your viewpoint is essentially "I am right, my coworkers are wrong, fuck tabs, fuck python" |
| 15:25.56 | Cide | ? |
| 15:25.59 | foxlit | it bothers me that there's still an issue there. |
| 15:26.11 | Phelps | 1 tab is good |
| 15:26.12 | Kalroth | well my viewpoint was basically fuck python, but we can extend it, sure |
| 15:26.13 | foxlit | Editors should be more than capable of dealing with whitespace by now. |
| 15:26.14 | Phelps | 4 spaces is bad |
| 15:26.16 | Phelps | 2 spaces is worse |
| 15:26.20 | Phelps | 1 space = you must die |
| 15:26.24 | Kalroth | what about 8 spaces |
| 15:26.31 | Phelps | diacf |
| 15:26.32 | Cide | see 1 space |
| 15:26.35 | Cide | and then some |
| 15:26.39 | Phelps | yeah |
| 15:26.52 | Phelps | but |
| 15:26.54 | Phelps | what I do is |
| 15:26.55 | Cide | agreed, foxlit |
| 15:27.02 | Phelps | set tab size to 8 spaces |
| 15:27.04 | Phelps | select all code |
| 15:27.07 | Phelps | convert spaces to tabs |
| 15:27.10 | Kalroth | see, thats the feeling i got about 4 spaces - you're my 8 spaces enemy |
| 15:27.16 | Phelps | set tab size to 4 spaces |
| 15:27.25 | Phelps | convert spaces to hard tabs |
| 15:27.27 | Phelps | win ? |
| 15:27.44 | Kalroth | use language that doesn't care about spaces, win! |
| 15:28.03 | Phelps | thats every language but Python and whitespace |
| 15:28.04 | Cide | or set a common ground of either 1) n spaces or 2) tabs, shared among all coders |
| 15:28.06 | Phelps | isn’t it ? |
| 15:28.12 | Cide | nah |
| 15:28.13 | Cide | haskell |
| 15:28.21 | Kalroth | common ground? yeah right, welcome to the real world! |
| 15:28.32 | Cide | tabs gives you a trivial common ground |
| 15:28.47 | Cide | and can be viewed differently by everybody |
| 15:28.53 | Cide | according to personal preferences |
| 15:29.25 | Cide | after all if you are writing complex software that involves thousands of design decisions, surely you can settle on such an elegant standard |
| 15:29.32 | Kalroth | unless some jerk converts tabs to spaces |
| 15:29.47 | Cide | if you can't depend on your coworkers why work with them |
| 15:29.55 | Kalroth | welcome to the real world |
| 15:30.00 | Cide | no... |
| 15:30.02 | Cide | that's just stupid |
| 15:30.08 | Kalroth | life is stupid! |
| 15:30.15 | Cide | plus there are source control plugins to convert tabs to spaces or the other way around |
| 15:30.30 | Kalroth | just like there are languages that dont depend on whitespaces! |
| 15:30.50 | Cide | you would still have to fix the code for those languages also by your logic |
| 15:31.05 | Cide | since python runs fine regardless of number of spaces or even tabs |
| 15:31.11 | Cide | but you take it upon yourself to fix it anyway |
| 15:31.16 | Cide | surely it's about your viewing pleasure and not execution |
| 15:31.21 | Cide | the code executes regardless |
| 15:31.29 | Cide | and you would have the same problem in any non-whitespace-language |
| 15:31.36 | Cide | the code executes but you don't like looking at it |
| 15:31.45 | Kalroth | what if the code doesn't execute |
| 15:31.47 | Cide | whenever you don't see 2 spaces for indentation |
| 15:32.13 | Cide | surely if you receive code that does not compile you cannot blame the language? |
| 15:32.32 | Kalroth | what if i got a whitespace virus that messes with my whitespaces |
| 15:32.46 | Cide | I think you agree your logic is not sound at this point given the straws you are reaching for |
| 15:33.12 | bluspacecow | grass straws? |
| 15:33.22 | bluspacecow | jelly crystal straws yay ! |
| 15:34.31 | Kalroth | Cide: I disagree! |
| 15:34.34 | Shirik | ... |
| 15:34.42 | Cide | hi Shirik |
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| 15:35.06 | Shirik | I got sent an email by mint.com "You got hit with a finance charge!!" acting like it's the worst thing in the world. And sure, it can, but when it's $5, I don't think I have to worry about it. |
| 15:35.22 | Cide | depends on how poor you are |
| 15:35.42 | foxlit | what's a mint.com? |
| 15:35.51 | amro | a domain name |
| 15:35.59 | Cide | pretty sure that is a string |
| 15:36.08 | foxlit | amro: maybe. Maybe it's a msdos executable? |
| 15:36.17 | Cide | THE HORROR |
| 15:36.28 | Shirik | foxlit: It's an intuit-owned site that's basically quicken online |
| 15:36.35 | amro | foxlit: that would be MINT.COM |
| 15:36.40 | bluspacecow | @shirik would be worse if it had "and you liked it you sick puppy" after it |
| 15:36.57 | foxlit | and how do they know what charge you got hit by? |
| 15:37.36 | amro | foxlit: police report |
| 15:37.42 | amro | they're on the ball when it comes to violence |
| 15:37.47 | Shirik | because they have my bank account? |
| 15:38.16 | foxlit | a complete third party has your bank account? |
| 15:38.32 | Shirik | intuit is like, THE finance company in the US |
| 15:38.47 | Shirik | they probably have everyone's bank account, whether or not you've personally given it to them |
| 15:38.47 | Cide | surely you don't want such a company to have your bank account then |
| 15:38.50 | Cide | lololol |
| 15:39.32 | Shirik | Cide halp :( |
| 15:39.37 | Cide | with what |
| 15:39.39 | Shirik | look at how much I've lost today on the market |
| 15:39.44 | Cide | stop trading |
| 15:39.46 | Cide | problem solved |
| 15:40.09 | Cide | is it worth passing a std::pair<float, float> by const reference |
| 15:40.14 | Cide | or should I just pass it by value |
| 15:40.33 | amro | why worth? there's no cost |
| 15:40.34 | Cide | I don't need the reference semantics given the question, naturally |
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| 15:40.49 | Cide | with a reference you get a level of indirection |
| 15:41.18 | amro | not if your compiler doesn't suck ass |
| 15:41.29 | Cide | what makes you say that |
| 15:41.32 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3a2e67bd29b89f52e50fd40107bfa719.png |
| 15:41.53 | Cide | sucks to be you Shirik |
| 15:41.57 | foxlit | pretty bars mean it's good? |
| 15:41.58 | Cide | that's almost like the $5 finance charge |
| 15:42.14 | Shirik | foxlit: The arrow |
| 15:43.23 | foxlit | The arrow isn't nearly as pretty as whatever is going on on those INFORMATION OVERLOAD charts. |
| 15:43.27 | amro | get a hobby shirik |
| 15:43.32 | Shirik | it's not information overload |
| 15:43.43 | Cide | yeah Shirik |
| 15:43.46 | Cide | transfer to doomhammer already |
| 15:43.55 | Cide | we need a new healer by february |
| 15:43.56 | Shirik | everything on there is potentially important; the trick is to filter out the useless stuff |
| 15:44.49 | amro | plenty of that with economies based on bullshit |
| 15:45.30 | amro | also I keep trying to click on Raymond to make the highlight go away |
| 15:45.31 | amro | make it stop |
| 15:45.40 | Shirik | so do I |
| 15:45.43 | amro | upload a screenshot that doesn't fuck with my ocd |
| 15:45.44 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 15:46.01 | Shirik | gtalk has some strange problem with highlighting |
| 15:46.17 | Cide | delete gtalk then |
| 15:46.22 | Cide | I would not stand that for a minute |
| 15:46.30 | Shirik | you are bad |
| 15:46.32 | amro | steam has that issue |
| 15:46.36 | Cide | I have killed deathwing |
| 15:46.37 | Cide | you? |
| 15:46.38 | amro | but then steam has every issue |
| 15:46.45 | amro | crack whore of computer software |
| 15:46.46 | Shirik | also std::pair is really cheap |
| 15:46.49 | alestane | Lunessa: My father numbers that among a collection of films that sum up his Weltanschaung...along with "Being There" and "Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb." |
| 15:46.50 | Cide | I figured |
| 15:47.01 | Cide | it should just take up the same memory as two floats? |
| 15:47.21 | Lunessa | alestane: Good choices, all. |
| 15:48.25 | Kraps_w | alestane: world...theory? |
| 15:48.43 | Shirik | Cide: I don't think it has a virtual table, so yes |
| 15:49.06 | Cide | if it had |
| 15:49.12 | Cide | would it take up more than 2 floats per instance |
| 15:49.15 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view, Kraps_w. |
| 15:49.20 | Cide | or just 2 floats per instance + some baseline memory for the vtable |
| 15:49.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:49.30 | Cide | ... |
| 15:49.35 | Cide | one of them, yes, surely |
| 15:49.42 | amro | except that they overlap |
| 15:49.44 | amro | because you fail at logic |
| 15:49.47 | Shirik | 2 floats + 1 pointer for each virtual function |
| 15:49.53 | Cide | per instance |
| 15:49.54 | Cide | ? |
| 15:49.56 | Cide | ah yes |
| 15:49.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:50.05 | Cide | makes sense |
| 15:50.24 | Cide | they don't overlap, amro |
| 15:50.41 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 15:50.43 | Fisker | whats wrong? |
| 15:50.45 | amro | assuming you mean memory cost of 2 floats, they do |
| 15:50.49 | Kalroth | heeey Fisker my friend |
| 15:50.54 | amro | if you mean floats... I dunno how you could come up with that |
| 15:51.03 | Cide | either it takes up more than 2 floats of memory per instance, or exactly two floats of memory per instance, never both |
| 15:51.12 | Shirik | (07:49:23) (+Cide) would it take up more than 2 floats per instance |
| 15:51.17 | Shirik | (07:49:31) (+Cide) or just 2 floats per instance + some baseline memory for the vtable |
| 15:51.19 | amro | 2 floats + baseline > just 2 floats |
| 15:51.21 | Shirik | to which both answers are "yes" |
| 15:51.28 | Cide | no? |
| 15:51.32 | Shirik | yes? |
| 15:51.35 | amro | yes |
| 15:51.37 | Cide | "just 2 floats per instance" |
| 15:51.39 | amro | swedish logic |
| 15:51.39 | Kalroth | i agree with Cide |
| 15:51.44 | Shirik | + some baseline memory? |
| 15:51.49 | Kalroth | because i disagreed with him before, so i owe him that |
| 15:51.51 | Cide | by baseline I mean shared by all instances |
| 15:51.52 | Shirik | you can't just stop randomly in the middle of the sentence |
| 15:52.04 | Kalroth | Shirik: what do you mean you |
| 15:53.14 | Cide | but another interpretation of what I said could surely reach other answers |
| 15:53.32 | Cide | I think the issue has been resolved in any and all cases now though! |
| 15:55.31 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 15:55.48 | Kalroth | hows sw:tor Fisker |
| 15:55.52 | Kalroth | are you level 85 yet |
| 15:57.15 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:57.17 | Fisker | level 12 |
| 15:57.50 | Kalroth | is it true that you cant swim in sw:tor |
| 15:58.04 | Cide | yes |
| 15:58.47 | Cide | I guess that was upsetting |
| 15:58.52 | Cide | anyway Shirik |
| 15:58.56 | Cide | healer, doomhammer, february? |
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| 16:03.28 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:03.40 | Shirik | someone said they were going to be out sick today, and "I can be contacted by email. If there is an emergency that only I have the knowledge and power to fix, please get me a raise, and then call my cell. For any other emergencies just call my cell." |
| 16:04.08 | Fisker | i gotta poop Shirik |
| 16:04.20 | Shirik | I wish I got a raise every time there was an emergency that only I could fix :( |
| 16:06.02 | Lunessa | Shirik: That would incentivize you to generate those emergencies. |
| 16:14.08 | Lunessa | This is relevant to many of us in here: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/microsoft-squashes-duqu-threat-with-windows-patch.ars |
| 16:14.22 | karl_w_w | how do u dps alys as fire mage? |
| 16:14.37 | Kraps_w | fireball |
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| 16:18.48 | amro | who names these things? |
| 16:18.56 | amro | worse than unofficial element names |
| 16:20.39 | amro | Cide: you play on US? |
| 16:20.59 | Shirik | so I'm filling out a survey for this trading platform since I'm using their beta version |
| 16:21.03 | Cide | yes, amro |
| 16:21.10 | Shirik | Which of the following actions do you perform using the right-click functionality available in Active Trader Pro®? |
| 16:21.13 | Shirik | one option is "I'm not sure what right-click is" |
| 16:21.46 | amro | Shirik: that signs you up for a special trading program |
| 16:21.53 | amro | that in no way exploits your cluelessness to make money |
| 16:22.01 | bluspacecow | and on which part shirik |
| 16:22.16 | bluspacecow | after all it could mean something different depending on what context you right click on |
| 16:23.34 | amro | "Pusuke, certified by Guiness World Records as the world’s oldest living dog last year, died Monday at his home, owner Yumiko Shinohara said. Pusuke is believed to have died of old age." ya sure about that sherlock? |
| 16:24.05 | Cide | dying while old is not necessarily the same as dying of old age |
| 16:24.18 | Cide | but naturally a cause can be found for every death so /shrug |
| 16:25.11 | Shirik | I refuse to believe there is a "death by old age" |
| 16:25.21 | Cide | there is not, medically |
| 16:25.29 | Shirik | like your body doesn't just go "I'm 100 years old, time to stop working" |
| 16:25.35 | Shirik | something must have gone wrong |
| 16:25.44 | Cide | see above slacker |
| 16:25.45 | bluspacecow | i think |
| 16:25.46 | nevcairiel | its a quite slow process actually |
| 16:26.05 | bluspacecow | its when lazy coroners don't wanna find a cause |
| 16:26.11 | nevcairiel | at some point you just stop making new cells, and when the old ones are all used up, you die |
| 16:26.15 | bluspacecow | its like *shrug* "died of oldage" |
| 16:26.37 | bluspacecow | "oh hey i get out of work early today , let's hit the golf course" |
| 16:26.38 | Cide | I don't think that has ever happened, nevcairiel |
| 16:27.09 | Shirik | imagines someone slowly degenerating into a single cellular organism |
| 16:27.16 | Cide | you would probably be reduced to jelly before that happened |
| 16:27.23 | Cide | fu Shirik |
| 16:27.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:27.34 | nevcairiel | if enough important cells are gone, you die befoer that happens |
| 16:27.41 | Lunessa | There is a truism about death, "All forms of death can essentially be reduced to heart failure." |
| 16:27.54 | Cide | NOT BRAINDEATH |
| 16:28.00 | nevcairiel | i was going to say that |
| 16:28.01 | Cide | braindeath, yes |
| 16:28.12 | Cide | but ultimately yes |
| 16:28.20 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 16:28.27 | Cide | depends entirely on the definition of life |
| 16:29.06 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm actually working on a novel about that idea. "Eliminating death from 'old age'." |
| 16:29.29 | Shirik | fun |
| 16:29.41 | Cide | just replace every cell with a supercomputer |
| 16:29.45 | Cide | problem solved |
| 16:30.04 | Kraps_w | i never asked for this |
| 16:30.05 | Cide | your body mass may increase slightly |
| 16:30.10 | Shirik | because we aren't abusing the world's energy resources already |
| 16:30.18 | Cide | I never specified the energy efficiency |
| 16:30.20 | amro | we're not |
| 16:30.25 | Cide | it would run entirely on pointless arguments |
| 16:30.28 | Cide | off |
| 16:30.48 | amro | until we cover the sun in a giant sphere that absorbs its energy |
| 16:30.51 | Shirik | does my desktop count as a supercomputer? |
| 16:30.54 | Lunessa | Cide: So basically you'll live as long as there are trolls on the internet! |
| 16:31.05 | Thunder_Child | amro: a dyson sphere |
| 16:31.17 | Cide | depends, Shirik |
| 16:31.20 | Kraps_w | [11:30]amrountil we cover the sun in a giant sphere that absorbs its energy |
| 16:31.20 | Cide | can it kill deathwing |
| 16:31.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:31.29 | Kraps_w | build this pls kthnx |
| 16:31.32 | Cide | then yes |
| 16:31.35 | Shirik | but not when paired up with 9 non-supercomputers |
| 16:31.46 | Cide | you never answered my question |
| 16:31.51 | Cide | doomhammer, february, heals? |
| 16:31.54 | Cide | go |
| 16:31.54 | Lunessa | Shirik: Does it form Voltron then? |
| 16:31.56 | Shirik | y |
| 16:32.02 | Shirik | y february |
| 16:32.17 | Cide | have you degenerated to the point where you don't type out "wh" now? |
| 16:32.21 | Arrowmaster | why do that when you just have to put a bunch of stuff at Lagrange 1 |
| 16:32.26 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sunshade |
| 16:32.45 | Cide | our resto druid is going to afghanistan or some place |
| 16:32.58 | Shirik | huh |
| 16:33.07 | Shirik | what are your raid times |
| 16:33.09 | Cide | 6:30pm mst |
| 16:33.11 | Cide | to 10pm mst |
| 16:33.15 | Cide | same as before! |
| 16:33.22 | Shirik | that's really cutting it close |
| 16:33.23 | Shirik | what days |
| 16:33.28 | Cide | monday, thursday, sunday |
| 16:33.34 | Shirik | no tuesday? weird |
| 16:33.40 | Cide | indeed |
| 16:33.42 | Kraps_w | febuary |
| 16:33.56 | amro | die Kraps_w |
| 16:33.59 | amro | I mean, sup Kraps_w |
| 16:34.03 | amro | I get my 3 letter words confused |
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| 16:34.10 | Cide | but you are of course free to come any time if you are interested |
| 16:34.11 | Kraps_w | np bro |
| 16:34.13 | Cide | I can go shadow np |
| 16:34.15 | Shirik | I could probably do it |
| 16:34.29 | Kraps_w | broseph |
| 16:34.35 | Kraps_w | brosiedon |
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| 16:34.49 | Kraps_w | brovernator |
| 16:35.00 | Kraps_w | broception |
| 16:36.18 | bluspacecow | bro bro black sheep has you any bro? |
| 16:36.40 | Kraps_w | yes bro yes bro 3 bros full |
| 16:38.31 | Cide | do it Shirik! |
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| 16:40.10 | Kraps_w | do it bro! |
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| 16:40.36 | Lunessa | bro - just say no. |
| 16:40.56 | Kraps_w | bros gonna bro |
| 16:48.18 | Kalroth | Fisker, is this you http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43455/nokia-iphone-fed-up-baffled-android |
| 16:49.10 | Kalroth | In an exclusive interview with Pocket-lint, Niels "Fisker" Munksgaard, director of Portfolio, Product Marketing & Sales at Nokia Entertainment Global explained all: |
| 16:49.11 | Kalroth | What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone," he said. "Also, many are not happy with the complexity of Android and the lack of security. |
| 16:49.32 | Cide | the lack of security? |
| 16:49.47 | nevcairiel | you know, its open source, easier to find bugs to exploit! |
| 16:49.51 | Kalroth | yes, android phones are open source so that means they're insecure |
| 16:49.57 | Kalroth | hiding your code makes it secure |
| 16:50.16 | Kalroth | like Windows is secure |
| 16:50.26 | Cide | windows is quite secure nowadays |
| 16:50.31 | Cide | compared to mac osx anyway |
| 16:50.40 | nevcairiel | indeed, MS fixed their security troubles |
| 16:51.05 | Kalroth | yeah, it's not like MS fixed an exploit that gives you kernel access through TrueType fonts yesterday. |
| 16:51.11 | Kalroth | that'd be silly! |
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| 16:51.42 | Cide | clearly "security" is a boolean value where it is true only if there are no security issues whatsoever |
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| 16:52.20 | Kalroth | no, "security" is defined by the severity of your systems exploits |
| 16:52.29 | Cide | exactly |
| 16:52.33 | Cide | not the lack of them |
| 16:52.36 | Cide | nor the existence of them |
| 16:52.38 | Kalroth | like a remote root exploit would be pretty bad, good thing Windows never had .. oh wait |
| 16:52.51 | Cide | I don't think anyone disputes that windows has had a shaky *history* |
| 16:52.56 | Cide | but it's quite good at present time |
| 16:53.00 | Kalroth | it still does |
| 16:53.02 | nevcairiel | security is also defined by the response and response times to such issues |
| 16:53.55 | Kalroth | http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2010-3227/ |
| 16:54.10 | Kalroth | ".. and Windows 7 allows context-dependent attackers to execute arbitrary code via a long window title .." |
| 16:54.57 | Cide | so what you are saying is that an application bundled with windows 7 has a buffer overflow vulnerability |
| 16:55.07 | Cide | surely that never happens on other OSes |
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| 16:55.29 | Kalroth | i don't care about other OSes, i don't use them |
| 16:55.53 | Cide | two data points gives no useful information anyway |
| 16:56.04 | Cide | nobody said windows is perfect |
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| 16:56.21 | Cide | but at present time it has a good security model and the number of exploits discovered isn't too bad |
| 16:56.27 | Thunder_Child | And it is good at the present time, in relation to how it was. |
| 16:56.35 | Cide | and in the absolute sense |
| 16:56.52 | nevcairiel | I like how an exploit on a MacBook could potentially blow up your battery. :d |
| 16:56.53 | Thunder_Child | you cant have that without a comparison |
| 16:56.54 | Kalroth | hey, Windows XP wasn't toe bad either |
| 16:56.57 | Maldivia | Cide: problem with the windows security model is that it's not enabled fully by default |
| 16:56.58 | Kalroth | too* |
| 16:57.06 | Cide | windows xp was awful |
| 16:57.08 | Kalroth | and Windows 2000 wasn't too bad |
| 16:57.17 | Cide | Maldivia: shrug |
| 16:57.22 | Kalroth | it was okay at the time |
| 16:57.27 | Cide | says who |
| 16:57.31 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: true, UAC should be at max and DEP forced on for everything |
| 16:57.32 | Cide | or said who |
| 16:57.37 | Kalroth | who says its okay today, Cide? |
| 16:57.43 | Cide | I argue that it is |
| 16:57.50 | Cide | I don't believe people argued that it was when XP was current |
| 16:57.54 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah, that would help a lot |
| 16:57.57 | Cide | or very many people anyway |
| 16:58.18 | Kalroth | XP was sold on being their most secure windows ever! |
| 16:58.25 | Cide | given windows bashing became extremely commonplace around then |
| 16:58.33 | Cide | and it seems the windows bashers haven't quite gotten with the times |
| 16:58.34 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: that may not have been a lie |
| 16:58.51 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, just like windows vista was their most secure system ever! |
| 16:59.14 | Cide | the fact that security has increased says nothing about the rate at which it has increased |
| 16:59.27 | Kalroth | yes they're improving - but it still isn't good enough (or okay) |
| 16:59.30 | Cide | says you |
| 16:59.34 | Kalroth | says i |
| 16:59.47 | nevcairiel | there will always be bugs, but the general concept is good these days |
| 17:00.15 | Kalroth | its getting better, its still not "good" |
| 17:00.15 | Cide | naturally it would be preferable if there were no exploits but |
| 17:00.22 | Cide | what is your threshold for "good" then |
| 17:00.38 | Cide | I don't know about *nix exploits but windows is rated as a lot more secure than mac osx last time I checked |
| 17:00.47 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth: the issue with vista was the transparency with the security, not it's vulnerability. |
| 17:00.50 | Kalroth | less seriously unsecure exploits |
| 17:00.59 | Cide | you just give guidelines |
| 17:01.04 | Cide | I'm not sure any OS lives up to your standards |
| 17:01.10 | nevcairiel | exploits will always happen, you cannot prevent them |
| 17:01.15 | Kalroth | good, thats how it should be, Cide |
| 17:01.23 | Cide | every OS vendor strives to increase security |
| 17:01.23 | nevcairiel | software just has bugs |
| 17:01.42 | Kalroth | they released a path a month ago that disabled TrueType rendering because you could access ring-0 through a font library |
| 17:01.46 | Kalroth | is that good or okay? |
| 17:02.03 | Kalroth | patch* |
| 17:02.09 | Cide | truetype rendering is not necessarily a "font library" |
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| 17:02.18 | Cide | but it depends entirely on the reason for it being in the kernel |
| 17:02.35 | Cide | I don't know how the windows kernel is designed; maybe it's for good reason, maybe not? |
| 17:03.26 | Kalroth | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms06-002 |
| 17:03.27 | Kalroth | Vulnerability in Embedded Web Fonts Could Allow Remote Code Execution (908519) |
| 17:03.36 | Cide | the title is pointless |
| 17:03.41 | Kalroth | hence i included the link |
| 17:03.44 | Thunder_Child | it boils down to 'shit happens' and you fix the problem when you find it. simple as that, but these are not exactly glaring holes in window's security. |
| 17:03.59 | Kalroth | Sure, shit happens - but is it good or okay? |
| 17:04.15 | Cide | it's not positive but it's okay at the rate it's happening for windows in my opinion |
| 17:04.20 | Cide | shit happens at an acceptable rate, so to say |
| 17:04.29 | Kalroth | so its a negative okay? :) |
| 17:04.37 | Cide | that makes no sense |
| 17:04.39 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 17:04.41 | Kalroth | exactly! |
| 17:04.47 | Cide | acceptable and positive/negative are two extremely different things |
| 17:04.47 | Fisker | mad? |
| 17:04.49 | Kalroth | hey Fisker why do you like windows phones |
| 17:05.07 | durcyn | because he's an inverse apple fanboy |
| 17:05.11 | Cide | lowering the number of exploits is always a good thing |
| 17:05.11 | Kalroth | Cide, just like buggy and unsecure can be good and okay?! |
| 17:05.17 | Cide | you're just trolling |
| 17:05.23 | Cide | and you have been all day |
| 17:05.25 | Cide | welcome to my ignore list |
| 17:05.28 | Kalroth | :( |
| 17:05.43 | Kalroth | well thats one way to end an argument |
| 17:06.11 | nevcairiel | didnt you talk about a month ago? that damn report is from Windows XP times |
| 17:06.12 | bluspacecow | the other |
| 17:06.13 | bluspacecow | is |
| 17:06.18 | bluspacecow | welcome to my muffin list |
| 17:06.25 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, which report? |
| 17:06.30 | nevcairiel | the one you linked |
| 17:06.32 | nevcairiel | ms06-002 |
| 17:06.36 | Kalroth | Published: Thursday, November 03, 2011 |
| 17:06.41 | bluspacecow | for rendering onto thee muffins. |
| 17:06.43 | nevcairiel | Vulnerability in Embedded Web Fonts Could Allow Remote Code Execution (908519) |
| 17:06.43 | nevcairiel | Published: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 |
| 17:06.55 | nevcairiel | wth are you on about? :P |
| 17:06.57 | Kalroth | that was version 1.0 |
| 17:07.01 | Fisker | i do not Kalroth |
| 17:07.05 | Kalroth | this is what i see on my screen: |
| 17:07.05 | Kalroth | Vulnerability in TrueType Font Parsing Could Allow Elevation of Privilege |
| 17:07.05 | Kalroth | Published: Thursday, November 03, 2011 | Updated: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 |
| 17:07.05 | Kalroth | Version: 2.0 |
| 17:07.06 | nevcairiel | thats the one your linked opened. :) |
| 17:07.08 | bluspacecow | MUFFINS |
| 17:07.13 | bluspacecow | is what im on about nevvy |
| 17:07.15 | Kalroth | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/advisory/2639658 this one? |
| 17:07.23 | Kalroth | what does everyone else see? |
| 17:07.29 | Cide | speaking of vulnerabilities |
| 17:07.40 | bluspacecow | muffins and spider pig kalroth |
| 17:07.52 | Kalroth | bluspacecow, muffins are okay and good! |
| 17:07.53 | Cide | I opened a pdf I had just downloaded off google docs and viewing it caused fedora to freeze |
| 17:07.57 | Cide | every single time I opened it |
| 17:07.59 | Cide | forcing a reboot |
| 17:08.04 | Cide | IS THIS OKAY OR GOOD?! |
| 17:08.19 | Kalroth | 1) you use fedora 2) you use chrome (i bet!) |
| 17:08.29 | Cide | http://technet.fedora.com/en-us-security/advisory/2639659 Vulnerability in PDF Reader Could CRASH YOUR SYSTEM |
| 17:08.37 | Cide | it was the built in pdf reader, not the chrome one |
| 17:09.14 | Kalroth | i'd probably classify that as not okay |
| 17:09.17 | Kalroth | but that's just me |
| 17:09.37 | Cide | should write your own OS |
| 17:09.43 | Cide | so you can live exploit-free |
| 17:10.03 | nevcairiel | it wouldn't be exploit free, he would just be hiding behind obscurity |
| 17:10.08 | Cide | exactly |
| 17:10.14 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, i dunno where i got that first link from, probably a similar exploit |
| 17:10.14 | Cide | it would be exploit-free but not vulnerability-free |
| 17:10.23 | Kalroth | exploit-free works for me! |
| 17:10.27 | Cide | he would never get exploited |
| 17:10.34 | nevcairiel | oh he would |
| 17:10.37 | Cide | oh my |
| 17:10.39 | nevcairiel | once we figure out his system |
| 17:10.40 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 17:10.40 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 17:10.45 | Kalroth | oh in that way |
| 17:10.53 | Cide | true story |
| 17:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | What is a good name for a new Roku box? It needs a nice name. |
| 17:10.56 | nevcairiel | Fisker is here for all the other ways |
| 17:11.02 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, what if there's no system to my system? |
| 17:11.06 | Cide | ukor, Lopeppeppy |
| 17:11.19 | Kalroth | Lopeppeppy, Snugglebunnyhuggle |
| 17:11.31 | Cide | or, alternatively, Roku Box |
| 17:11.49 | Kalroth | i prefer single letter names when i can! |
| 17:11.53 | Kalroth | so name it R |
| 17:12.14 | Kalroth | is there a minimum length on windows network names? |
| 17:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | V is for victory! |
| 17:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | Snugglebunnyroku! |
| 17:14.29 | amro | it's also for horny |
| 17:14.31 | amro | just sayin. |
| 17:16.11 | bluspacecow | lol Peppy |
| 17:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | V is for horny? |
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| 17:16.28 | bluspacecow | naw |
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| 17:16.34 | bluspacecow | B is for horny |
| 17:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | So are green m&ms |
| 17:18.23 | amro | how does B look like horns? |
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| 17:22.49 | bluspacecow | i now have visions of green M&ms trying to hump me |
| 17:22.53 | bluspacecow | thanks Peppy |
| 17:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss |
| 17:27.04 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Call it "NewHotness" until it's old and busted. Then you name it "OldAndBusted" |
| 17:31.43 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 17:31.55 | bluspacecow | new MiB movie coming out next year. |
| 17:33.43 | bluspacecow | kk. breakfast (muffins :D). home. bed for sleeps |
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| 17:37.51 | Lopeppeppy | I could name it "TooSexyForYourHacking". But that would be tempting, huh? |
| 17:40.36 | Lunessa | Or you could name it Dita Von Tease or Lilly Von Schtupp |
| 17:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | Lily! |
| 17:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder what color it is... |
| 17:41.14 | Lunessa | I should correct that "Dita Von Teese" |
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| 18:04.43 | amro | jnwhiteh: 7/2/19 monarch |
| 18:04.47 | amro | s2 needs to fix this hero |
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| 18:11.59 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.39 | Thunder_Child | have you ever gone 70/0/70 Cide? |
| 18:19.29 | Cide | I have never played monarch |
| 18:19.47 | Cide | my statement was regarding monarch only |
| 18:20.22 | Cide | if I have played monarch then I have gone 70/0/70 |
| 18:22.20 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cide |
| 18:22.20 | purl | beats Cide senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 18:26.56 | Cide | hey, it's true |
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| 18:55.58 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3746635131 |
| 18:56.10 | foxlit | It's like the addon policy 2.0. |
| 18:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | Wheeee! |
| 18:56.45 | kd3 | oh hell, now what? |
| 18:56.50 | kd3 | pulls open another tab |
| 18:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Preliminary figures put me at a 2.5 for the semester. I'm keeping my fingers sooo crossed. |
| 18:57.08 | foxlit | Is that like barely above passing? |
| 18:57.47 | durcyn | The programming code of an application must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public. |
| 18:57.56 | durcyn | that'll fly. |
| 18:58.05 | nevcairiel | Heh, only open source can use their APIs |
| 18:58.08 | nevcairiel | I like that. :p |
| 18:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | No, I was barely passing before, foxlit. :P |
| 18:58.23 | foxlit | there's a faq that clarifies that |
| 18:58.36 | foxlit | it's really "code that asks our api for stuff must be open, the rest of your application we don't care about" |
| 18:58.51 | durcyn | if it needs clarification, then they've already failed |
| 18:59.51 | nevcairiel | its a legal text, it always needs clarification |
| 19:00.23 | alestane | 2.5 is what, a C-? |
| 19:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | B- |
| 19:01.08 | alestane | That's not awful. |
| 19:01.16 | alestane | It's much better than not passing. |
| 19:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah. |
| 19:01.42 | Lunessa | They're saying "you can't charge people for the stuff you yank off our website" |
| 19:03.38 | Lopeppeppy | Which should not be some huge amazing surprise. |
| 19:04.11 | foxlit | I'm having difficulty figuring out when that'd ever be a problem. |
| 19:05.01 | Lunessa | I'm sure someone has tried more than once. |
| 19:05.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, those people selling the amazing 'earn money at the AH' guides. Wasn't someone asking just a few weeks ago why Blizzard hadn't banned that yet? |
| 19:05.23 | foxlit | I'm sure that someone will just charge you for something else instead |
| 19:05.36 | foxlit | "Oh hey, we can pull your guild data off the armory. Pay us for hosting your guildsite?" |
| 19:06.13 | Korale | http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/12/14/blizzard-releases-third-party-api-usage-policy/ |
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| 19:06.39 | nicoli_s | they say you have to have your code visible, what about websites? |
| 19:06.45 | foxlit | Basically, there's an annoying pattern of "we own all your stuff" when it comes to blizzard and code. |
| 19:06.58 | Korale | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3746635133 |
| 19:07.05 | Korale | "Third-Party API Usage Policy FAQ" |
| 19:07.41 | Lunessa | foxlit: What, like CURSE does? :P |
| 19:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | Are you sure it's not "we own all of OUR stuff, stop using it to make money" ? |
| 19:08.01 | Korale | zing |
| 19:08.18 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: I'll meet you at "stop using our stuff to make your stuff to make money" |
| 19:08.23 | nicoli_s | and what zam does with wowhead |
| 19:08.50 | nicoli_s | in fact if you are premium on wowhead cant you jump to the top of the queue of char scraping? |
| 19:09.34 | Lunessa | I have a guild site hosted by curse's wow stead product. |
| 19:09.41 | Lunessa | I use WoWHead too. |
| 19:09.48 | Lunessa | SO… yeah, I'm probably guilty. |
| 19:09.57 | nicoli_s | wow people use wowstead still? |
| 19:10.13 | Lunessa | http://www.groundingtotem.com/ |
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| 19:10.46 | nicoli_s | i would have loved to be able to continue on doing guild hosting stuff |
| 19:11.15 | foxlit | Lunessa: those recruitment images make little sense :( |
| 19:11.29 | Lunessa | foxlit: It's ok, they were very effective. |
| 19:11.50 | foxlit | judging by the tooltips, every spec of every class? |
| 19:12.13 | NickG365 | I just see a message saying that I need JavaScript, when the site has clearly loaded just fine behind it. |
| 19:12.55 | nicoli_s | NickG365:we require javascript for other stuff |
| 19:13.01 | Lunessa | foxlit: OH, those images. They were part of the "skin" that they provided. But, yes. we're taking applications from all specs/classes. |
| 19:13.05 | foxlit | like world domination! |
| 19:13.25 | Lunessa | Please note that I'm a shitty graphic artist so I rely on pre-done art. |
| 19:13.26 | amro | Cide: 7/4/19 this time because enemy pyro didn't like me |
| 19:13.27 | Lopeppeppy | itty bitty living space |
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| 19:13.36 | amro | I get a bloodlust double tap every other game with monarch |
| 19:13.37 | amro | so broken |
| 19:13.50 | amro | well, my lane does |
| 19:15.16 | Lunessa | All I want is to kill Ragnaros. Just once. Is this too much to ask? :) |
| 19:15.31 | karl_w_w | blizzard linked wowhead's winter veil guide instead of writing their own? |
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| 19:17.11 | foxlit | karl_w_w: fansite promotion |
| 19:17.31 | karl_w_w | mm hmm |
| 19:17.43 | karl_w_w | im unconvinced |
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| 19:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe because the wowhead guide is a walkthrough, and Bliz doesn't write walk-throughs? |
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| 19:38.10 | sylvanaar | who is playing swstor? |
| 19:38.36 | Cairenn | raises a hand |
| 19:39.42 | sylvanaar | how 'tis? |
| 19:39.49 | sylvanaar | would you recommend it? |
| 19:40.05 | Cairenn | It's fun enough |
| 19:40.20 | sylvanaar | just enough? |
| 19:40.21 | Cairenn | I'm not playing seriously, I don't have time to play any of them seriously |
| 19:40.24 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 19:40.39 | Cairenn | My daughter was enjoying the hell out of it |
| 19:40.43 | Cairenn | during beta |
| 19:40.50 | sylvanaar | im on the fence about wasting another $80 on a game |
| 19:41.00 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:41.10 | Lunessa | I probably wouldn't recommend it - I've ranted about it enough before though. |
| 19:41.36 | Fisker | it's crap btw sylvanaar |
| 19:41.44 | sylvanaar | ok thanks |
| 19:41.48 | Fisker | :) |
| 19:41.52 | sylvanaar | thats what i needed to hea |
| 19:41.55 | sylvanaar | hear |
| 19:42.47 | sylvanaar | saves |
| 19:42.59 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 19:44.57 | nevcairiel | I like it |
| 19:45.35 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 19:45.37 | Fisker | are you insane? |
| 19:45.44 | nevcairiel | most of the time |
| 19:46.03 | Fisker | ok nevcairiel |
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| 20:06.04 | Stanzilla | http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/12/14/hell-freezes-messenger-network-accessible-via-xmpp/ |
| 20:08.34 | Arrowmaster | the fuck |
| 20:08.53 | Arrowmaster | msn was the one major network i figured could NEVER use xmpp |
| 20:09.01 | Arrowmaster | because of its design |
| 20:09.39 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:12.09 | Arrowmaster | unless they are only letting xmpp clients connect to the msn network and not letting communication happen between msn and other xmpp servers |
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| 20:12.59 | karl_w_w | when will people learn, don't bring dead people back to life cos they're gonna be zombies |
| 20:13.11 | karl_w_w | it's a known fact |
| 20:25.38 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. |
| 20:25.41 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: Everything creates zombies. So don't fart in the car on your way home from work, ok? None of us wants to have to blow your head off with a shotgun. |
| 20:25.55 | Lopeppeppy | Could be vampires, or Frankenstein monsters, or ghosts or ghouls too. |
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| 20:35.54 | Torhal|work | A goddamn shit-sucking vampire, at that. |
| 20:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | But they don't friggin' sparkle. |
| 20:37.05 | Torhal|work | GOOD |
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| 20:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | has *some* few standards |
| 20:38.36 | Torhal|work | Wait, I are confuzzled; are you saying they SHOULD sparkle? |
| 20:39.17 | Lunessa | Torhal|work: Using a Lost Boys reference earns you +350 Lunessa Rep |
| 20:39.24 | Torhal|work | Lunessa: :D |
| 20:39.43 | Lopeppeppy | No sparkles. Every. |
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| 20:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. What's for dinner, I wonder. |
| 20:53.23 | Lunessa | food; it's what's for dinner |
| 20:53.39 | Arrowmaster | fucking political robodials |
| 20:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | I have rabbit food at home, but I hesitate to say that I have any human food there. |
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| 20:54.56 | alestane | Get some rabbit, Lopeppeppy. |
| 20:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | I could, if the grocery has any to sell to me. |
| 20:56.07 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I suspect that's who's been blowing up my phone lately with all these "UNKNOWN" numbers, who never leave messages. |
| 20:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | Gave one an earful who called my work line. Oooh, such an earful. |
| 20:57.05 | alestane | Lunessa, the one I got earlier said they had an important message about my mortgage. |
| 20:57.11 | alestane | I rent. |
| 20:57.47 | alestane | Phishing...alive and well. |
| 20:57.54 | Lunessa | I've been getting 14 calls TODAY alone. All from "Unknown" - not one message. I haven't answered any of them. |
| 20:58.26 | alestane | I really should just ignore them. |
| 20:58.27 | Lunessa | If it came up with a number, at least I would answer. |
| 20:58.34 | alestane | Anyways, must to classing now. |
| 20:58.47 | alestane | Stupid commute. |
| 20:58.48 | Lunessa | The thing is, I'm on the national do not call registry. |
| 20:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | I am too. |
| 20:59.59 | Lopeppeppy | However, did you check out the new legislation that would make our cell phones free game? Even though we have to pay when they call us? |
| 21:00.19 | Lopeppeppy | With so many people opting to *only* have a cell phone these days... that's gonna blow. |
| 21:01.41 | Lunessa | Yes, I saw that. I wrote my congress critter. |
| 21:02.18 | Lunessa | I'm outtie. |
| 21:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. Safe travels. |
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| 21:31.10 | mikma | cairenn: so, here's tom cruise sitting on top of burj khalifa, worlds highest building... http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/07/article-1323275075294-0F178C2F00000578-891608_466x513.jpg |
| 21:31.33 | nicoli_s | did he fall of? |
| 21:32.12 | mikma | nope :P |
| 21:32.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:32.26 | mikma | first i thought it was a photoshop |
| 21:32.43 | mikma | then i investigated and learned that it really happened :P |
| 21:32.47 | mikma | brave guy |
| 21:34.18 | Dagmar | Not brave. Stupid and crazy. |
| 21:34.57 | Hjalte | Is Starfall considered safe for dungeons and raids when you're close to mobs that could pull? |
| 21:35.44 | Hjalte | I remember it was bugged once, but I haven't played for a while |
| 21:36.06 | mckenziemc | idk if they fixed the grim batol issue |
| 21:37.00 | mckenziemc | it should be fine if the mobs aren't in combat |
| 21:39.59 | foxlit | useless spell now; was awesome when it pulled everything in 35 yards |
| 21:40.36 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 21:52.05 | karl_w_w | isnt it still so much dps that its worth using on 1 target? |
| 22:04.53 | Thunder_Child | i want money |
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| 22:20.40 | karl_w_w | arrow to the knee is a seriously fast moving meme :P |
| 22:20.49 | nicoli_s | god i hate memes |
| 22:20.52 | nicoli_s | with such a passion |
| 22:22.46 | karl_w_w | nicoli_s: all your meme are belong to us |
| 22:25.48 | nicoli_s | big update to the curse client just went out btw |
| 22:25.55 | nicoli_s | if anyone has any issues please let us know |
| 22:28.21 | karl_w_w | well it didnt mention it was updating at all, but otherwise no problems :P |
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| 22:46.17 | Sintacks | |03:26:43 pm| [foxlit] "sintAcks: and enter UP enter" << I hate you and everything you stand on. |
| 22:46.18 | Sintacks | wat |
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| 23:11.49 | karl_w_w | <Sintacks> |03:26:43 pm| [foxlit] "sintAcks: and enter UP enter" << I hate you and everything you stand on. <- we need to go deeper |
| 23:13.10 | Thunder_Child | <karl_w_w> <Sintacks> |03:26:43 pm| [foxlit] "sintAcks: and enter UP enter" << I hate you and everything you stand on. <- we need to go deeper <- That's what she said. |
| 23:13.37 | Sintacks | |06:12:57 pm| [Thunder_Child] <karl_w_w> <Sintacks> |03:26:43 pm| [foxlit] "sintAcks: and enter UP enter" << I hate you and everything you stand on. <- we need to go deeper <- That's what she said. <- wtf is this shit |
| 23:14.31 | mckenziemc | : / |
| 23:15.50 | karl_w_w | dont mckenziemc, you could die down there |
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| 23:17.22 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:18.47 | Sintacks | i have an addon joining custom channel.. AceComm.. I don't know what hte fuck it is and it rejoins if i leave it... |
| 23:18.51 | Sintacks | BUT. it's fucking with my numgbers |
| 23:18.52 | Sintacks | iojasdgoijasdf |
| 23:19.59 | karl_w_w | find out what addons are registered for the event |
| 23:20.08 | Sintacks | how i do that |
| 23:20.12 | karl_w_w | whatever even fires when u leave a channel |
| 23:20.16 | Sintacks | and i have no idea what event to check for |
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| 23:24.03 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFramesRegisteredForEvent theres a snippet there, put it in a macro all on 1 line |
| 23:24.20 | karl_w_w | and replace the event name |
| 23:24.32 | karl_w_w | you probably want CHANNEL_FLAGS_UPDATED |
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| 23:29.27 | Sintacks | i fail at one line scripts... |
| 23:29.46 | Sintacks | and i'm pretty sure it was dalaran university |
| 23:43.35 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mom-wtf1.jpg :D |
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| 23:59.03 | Fisker | nicoli_s pls |
| 23:59.05 | Fisker | i cannot sleep |
| 23:59.33 | mckenziemc | sounds like you need some drugs |
