| 00:00.20 | Kraps | http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:03.59 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 00:05.08 | durcyn | burn the earth, salt the ashes. |
| 00:05.45 | nebula169 | even has its own /theme/ song |
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| 00:31.08 | Xuerian | ~framexml |
| 00:31.08 | purl | it has been said that framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 00:52.20 | Sintacks | wooo |
| 00:53.07 | Sintacks | heroic progression |
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| 01:31.38 | Shirik | I like this. |
| 01:31.54 | Shirik | Someone compared stocks to wine, and makes an argument that they are very siilar. |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | "Both attract so-called experts, many of whom make us customers feel like tyros or yahoos; we lack their technical expertise, we don't know their jargon. This, even though many wine experts routinely fail taste tests designed to ferret out which wine is the more valuable. Sounds a lot like market 'experts' who don't regularly match -- let alone beat -- the market averages." "For perhaps too |
| 01:33.49 | Shirik | many people, investing is an acquired taste. It feels ... exclusive. Similarly, many people don't drink at all -- or if they do, they're happy enough with beer (mutual funds) most of the time." |
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| 01:44.35 | foxlit | Shirik: wrong comparison |
| 01:44.40 | foxlit | Should've compared stocks to gambling |
| 01:44.56 | Shirik | gambling implies an inappropriate risk |
| 01:45.22 | Xzempt | http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2011/murderbox-mk2/murderbox-mk2.htm |
| 01:45.23 | Shirik | if I want to gamble, I go to vegas |
| 01:45.24 | Xzempt | omg ^ |
| 01:45.30 | foxlit | Note that all of your quote could easily be translated to gambling without having anything to do with risks. |
| 01:45.35 | Xzempt | That computer is amazing |
| 01:45.38 | foxlit | So, if investing is like wine, investing is also like gambling :) |
| 01:45.53 | foxlit | Call it professional poker if you wish. |
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| 01:50.57 | Loman | is there a way to check if the return value of EnumerateFrames() is a button? |
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| 01:58.10 | pompy | Arrowmaster: they delayed the dashboard update today until later in the day, to all 35 million members :O |
| 02:08.19 | Loman | nm figured it out, UIObject:GetObjectType() |
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| 02:38.42 | intangir_ | hello, i have an addon that tracks guild changes, its worked fine for.. a year and now since the patch its so slow it causes very very noticable chop everytime the guild status changes |
| 02:38.48 | intangir_ | its not throwing any errors |
| 02:38.55 | intangir_ | its just SLOW!!! |
| 02:39.06 | intangir_ | anyone have any advice on what could have changed or what i can do about it? |
| 02:39.16 | intangir_ | did they change anything fundemental to large datastructures in lua |
| 02:39.26 | Seerah | http://pastebin.com <-- post your code there and we can help |
| 02:39.26 | intangir_ | also GuildInvite doesnt do anything at all anymore |
| 02:39.39 | Seerah | GuidlInvite() requires a hardware event, iirc |
| 02:40.19 | intangir_ | so... what do i do? do i have it make me click a button or something? |
| 02:40.31 | Seerah | That's a hardware event :) |
| 02:47.20 | Xuerian | Is the LFRaid feature out? |
| 02:47.29 | mckenziemc1 | yes |
| 02:48.00 | Xuerian | Huh. Looks like I have to generate a second loot frame too.. That's annoying |
| 02:51.10 | Seerah | second loot frame? |
| 02:56.27 | intangir_ | did they change anything with globals? |
| 02:56.29 | intangir_ | heres my code: |
| 02:56.30 | intangir_ | http://pastebin.com/hAN3PFEh |
| 02:56.51 | intangir_ | like i said it used to run unnoticably fast, i saw not even a framedrop when guildstatus would change |
| 02:56.57 | intangir_ | now its like 200 ms every time... |
| 02:57.01 | intangir_ | totally noticable, totally annoying |
| 02:58.34 | Seerah | that's not your whole code. But perhaps it has something to do with the GetTime / OnUpdate changes? |
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| 03:00.13 | intangir | is there anywhere you can go to see the latest UI/lua changes? |
| 03:00.30 | intangir | Seerah: the chop definately is related to guild roster update |
| 03:00.34 | intangir | that function has the issue |
| 03:00.43 | intangir | because whenever someone goes online or offline, is when i get the chop |
| 03:00.49 | intangir | or if i resort the roster |
| 03:01.18 | intangir | it still works btw, its just much slower |
| 03:01.59 | bluspacecow | ~framexml |
| 03:01.59 | purl | somebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 03:02.03 | intangir | surely theres some thread or resource that shows all the latest UI/lua changes |
| 03:02.09 | bluspacecow | try one of those to see if they have it. |
| 03:02.21 | bluspacecow | otherwise you can extract and explore yourself :) |
| 03:03.19 | Seerah | intangir: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657276766 |
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| 03:07.16 | intangir | thanks |
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| 03:16.35 | alestane | Another weird Java question: Is there some way to make a file that doesn't declare a named class or interface? |
| 03:17.51 | alestane | I want to instantiate an instance of a class and register it with that class, but not put the creation in the same file as the class declaration. It seems like I have to declare a public class with a static initialization block that does that. |
| 03:18.42 | Iriel | alestane: I dont understand your goal |
| 03:19.07 | Iriel | You want to instantiate an instance of a Foo, and register the instance with the class Foo? |
| 03:19.29 | Iriel | but you actually do "new Foo" in code other than Foo.java? |
| 03:19.36 | alestane | Well, I have an abstract class that represents a ruleset for a game. |
| 03:19.37 | Iriel | Or did I totally mis-parse that |
| 03:19.46 | Iriel | Ok... |
| 03:20.18 | alestane | There would be anonymous subcasses that define specific rules variants. |
| 03:20.32 | Iriel | Alrighty, why they're anonymous can remain a mystery |
| 03:20.50 | alestane | The parent class should have a static method that maintains a registry of the instantiated rulesets. |
| 03:21.13 | alestane | I want each specific ruleset defined in its own file. |
| 03:21.49 | Iriel | Ok |
| 03:22.28 | Iriel | What instantiates the specific rulesets/ |
| 03:22.29 | Xyphoid | are you trying to just run some code for each of these subclasses at startup time, to do the registration? |
| 03:22.45 | alestane | Each instance is basically a singleton, Iriel. I tried defining them as subclasses where all methods were static, but specifying to a method which one should be used requires passing the class object, which means you need introspection to find and execute those static methods. |
| 03:22.53 | alestane | Basically, Xyphoid., |
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| 03:24.35 | alestane | So, it makes a certain amount of sense to implement them as anonymous subclass instances, because if I make them as named subclasses, then that suggests that I can instantiate them. |
| 03:24.38 | Iriel | Technically you could have the abstract base constructor register the instance(s), but that's not really safe because the constructor could fail. |
| 03:24.50 | Iriel | It's cleaner to do... |
| 03:25.01 | Iriel | MyCleverBaseClass.register(new MyCleverBaseClass() { stuff }); |
| 03:25.05 | Xyphoid | i don't think i follow the logic of using anonymous subclasses |
| 03:25.24 | Xyphoid | it's very common in real life to have classes that you don't instantiate yourself, but that are of known class names |
| 03:25.53 | Iriel | You could consider something like spring's BeanContext if you wanted someone else to manage your instantiations and registration. |
| 03:25.55 | alestane | Since each method represents a rules resolution action, specific rulesets override those methods to implement house rules. |
| 03:26.10 | Iriel | I'm with Xyphoid on the abstract thing, you're likely protecting yourself from a phantom, at the cost of readability. |
| 03:26.17 | Iriel | You can always deny createability with a private ctor |
| 03:26.43 | Iriel | MyCleverBaseClass.register(SomeNamedSubclassWithNoPublicCtor.getInstance()) |
| 03:27.03 | alestane | So, define a named subclass that only allows one instance. |
| 03:27.12 | Iriel | The latter of course falls prey to the 'singletons are evil" rule, but you're already going down that path |
| 03:27.31 | Iriel | You could make it so your registration function only allows one instance per getClass() value |
| 03:27.33 | alestane | They're not singletons exactly, they're customizations. |
| 03:27.44 | Xyphoid | i'm not a fan of making normal code more annoying to work with in order to enforce creational rules |
| 03:28.02 | Iriel | Or enforce a meaningful equals and just maintain a set of instances |
| 03:29.12 | Iriel | What's the danger of two "different" customizations have the same net effect? |
| 03:29.15 | Iriel | Does it break things? |
| 03:29.39 | Dagmar | A double-free that breaks the contiguous nature of time and ends reality as we know it. |
| 03:29.40 | alestane | Only one will apply to any given game. |
| 03:30.06 | Iriel | So it doesn't really matter if you have more than one of a customization in your registry |
| 03:30.16 | Iriel | (other than it might bias random selection, or whatnot, but that'd be a bug) |
| 03:30.37 | Iriel | I would go as simple as possible, just a static registration method and a Set for storage |
| 03:30.55 | Iriel | (HashSet, most likely) |
| 03:31.04 | alestane | If there were actually more than one, there would be a menu to choose between them. |
| 03:31.11 | Iriel | So they probably have a name |
| 03:31.21 | Iriel | so you could make a Map<String, YourBaseClass> |
| 03:31.25 | Iriel | only allow one per name |
| 03:31.28 | alestane | Part of the issue that's bugging me is that a Ruleset has no actual state. |
| 03:31.34 | Iriel | that's fine |
| 03:31.38 | Iriel | it's a strategy, or whatever |
| 03:31.55 | Iriel | Bear in mind there are scenarios in which you MIGHT have multiple instance of the same class with FIELDS that define variations |
| 03:31.59 | alestane | It's an implementation that takes state information from another class, and provides a choice of resolution. |
| 03:32.30 | Iriel | new ScoreBasedWinStrategy(100) vs new ScoreBasedWinStrategy(40) |
| 03:32.32 | alestane | Which is why I've been avoiding instantiating a named subclass. |
| 03:32.53 | Iriel | WinStrategy.register("Race to 100", new ScoreBasedWinStrategy(100)) |
| 03:32.56 | Iriel | etc |
| 03:33.20 | alestane | I don't foresee parameterizing them, they're qualitative differences, but I suppose that's one way to regard it. |
| 03:33.27 | Iriel | An anonymous class isn't any more _efficient_, it's just annoying |
| 03:33.51 | Iriel | Personally In similar situations I tend to do static private inner classes with names. |
| 03:33.57 | Iriel | just because I want a damn label when it blows up |
| 03:34.30 | Iriel | and not MyWorthlessFactory.$3 |
| 03:34.42 | alestane | And the only actual way that I can see to implement it would be something like "public class CommonRules { static {Ruleset.register(new Ruleset(){};}}" |
| 03:35.06 | Iriel | I've written code along those lines, what I ddi was this |
| 03:35.09 | alestane | Java is just not friendly to this strategy, it really really wants a named class. |
| 03:35.31 | alestane | And I don't want the ruleset class to be dependent on its possible subclasses. |
| 03:35.44 | Iriel | CommonRules had a static constructor (or more likely a bunch of static final fields) defining each of the common rules. |
| 03:36.03 | alestane | Fields, not methods? |
| 03:36.13 | Iriel | It also had a Map<String, Ruleset> getRules() static method, that returned an immutable map of the rules, with their names |
| 03:36.26 | Xyphoid | trying to register stuff like automatically that before your app starts up for reals doesn't sound like much fun |
| 03:36.26 | Iriel | Then I could have an UncommonRules class doing the same thing, and a DebugRules class, etc |
| 03:36.34 | Iriel | then at startup, you explicitly register the ones you want |
| 03:36.39 | Xyphoid | i'd rather have explicit init stuff that sets up the ones you want |
| 03:36.45 | Iriel | Really you shouldn't be using a STATIC ruleset registery |
| 03:36.58 | Iriel | You should have on in some non-static context/configuration |
| 03:37.03 | Iriel | (otherwise unit testing is a nightmare) |
| 03:37.15 | Iriel | then you'd do configuration.registerAll(CommonRules.getRules()) |
| 03:37.25 | Iriel | and later on you could call configuration.getRandomRuleset() etc |
| 03:37.36 | Iriel | names and exact approach may vary |
| 03:37.40 | Xyphoid | the question of 'how do i get at my global objects' is a nasty one and sSpring etc is a nice answer |
| 03:37.54 | Iriel | Yeah, spring is nice - if you dont mind carrying the overhead |
| 03:38.01 | Iriel | steal its idioms otherwise |
| 03:38.20 | Xyphoid | someone was telling me guice is nice but i haven't done java in a while |
| 03:38.50 | alestane | This is a group project, and incorporating third-party libraries is, I think, a no-no., |
| 03:39.40 | alestane | The problem is, I can imagine the approach I want to take, and conceptually, it makes perfect sense. But java simply does not give tools for cleanly expressing those concepts. |
| 03:39.52 | Xyphoid | i'd definitely go for simple then if you can. find and register rules during an initialisation step at startup. |
| 03:39.54 | Iriel | I think your approach is overly restrictive though |
| 03:40.37 | Iriel | Singletons _are_ bad |
| 03:40.38 | Iriel | almost all the time |
| 03:40.47 | Xyphoid | there is a virtue in explicitly expressing what you want in straight code rather than implicitly having it work itself out of your class structure. |
| 03:41.13 | alestane | Well, right, but there's nothing to distinguish one instance of CommonRules from another. Why do I want to create instances of them? |
| 03:41.25 | Iriel | because you want to use polymorphism |
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| 03:41.30 | Iriel | and that works on OBJECTS not CLASSES |
| 03:41.49 | Xyphoid | esp if it's a group project and you have other people who have to read this stuff |
| 03:41.50 | alestane | Now, CommonRules and TournamentRules are distinct from each other, so it makes sense for them to be distinct instances of the ruleset class. |
| 03:42.17 | Iriel | or they could be interfaces that extend Rules |
| 03:42.32 | Iriel | One nice thing about the registry being non-static is you can use interfaces instead of abstract classes |
| 03:42.42 | alestane | No, they have to be actual implementations. |
| 03:42.43 | Iriel | (You can use abstract classes too to make implementation easier) |
| 03:42.57 | Iriel | (but you dont build API's around abstract classes if you can help it) |
| 03:43.45 | alestane | Well, the base class/interface is also providing an enum and some other things that the subclasses all use. Doesn't that get strange when you make it an interface instead of a class? |
| 03:44.20 | Iriel | Depends what you mean "providing" |
| 03:44.30 | Iriel | if you mean that the enum is a static inner enum, then no. |
| 03:46.28 | alestane | I'm the only one who's raised the issue of multiple rulesets in any case. I should probably just drop the whole thing, hard-code in use of the default ruleset and get back to actually implementing crap instead of agonizing over something we won't even use. |
| 03:47.20 | alestane | I'm taking half an hour to pass the salt right nowl. |
| 03:48.01 | Iriel | The nice thing if you at least make the your ruleset an interface, and you fetch the current one via a getRuleset() method on a configuration object |
| 03:48.03 | Iriel | is you can change it later |
| 03:48.08 | Iriel | without recoding everytjing |
| 03:48.30 | alestane | And maintain a separate registry from the class, maintained by the thing that wants to keep the registry. |
| 03:48.38 | Iriel | though that sometimes hurts peoples heads if they can't concurrently hold "the code allows multiple rulesets" and "we only implemented one ruleset" in their minds |
| 03:48.59 | Iriel | right, and make it non-static (in fact, avoid static almost anything, except for constants) |
| 03:49.19 | Iriel | that way you can run test cases for multiple scenarios without running into re-initialization problemns |
| 03:50.20 | alestane | I mean, Yes, Ruleset could be an interface, and then I could maintain a map of instances of that interface. |
| 03:50.31 | alestane | The main issue is that they really aren't classes. |
| 03:51.12 | alestane | They're unique implementations, and creating classes so that I can instantiate single instances still seems like overkill. But the language pretty much demands it. |
| 03:51.44 | Iriel | But there isn't really any meaningful overhead of having an object if it has no fields |
| 03:51.54 | Iriel | and that approach allows you to have rules that *DO* use fields to vary |
| 03:51.55 | alestane | It's not a performance issue. |
| 03:52.00 | Iriel | whereas your class approach does not |
| 03:52.04 | alestane | It's just that it doesn't make sense. |
| 03:52.18 | Xyphoid | classes that generally only have one instance are just fine |
| 03:52.26 | Xyphoid | don't feel bad about making them |
| 03:52.33 | alestane | There is *the* TournamentRules; there is no meaningful reason to have *a* TournamentRules. |
| 03:53.00 | Iriel | So it's a special INSTANCE |
| 03:53.03 | Iriel | That's fine. |
| 03:53.07 | Iriel | Java supports that |
| 03:53.28 | Iriel | public static final TournamentRules THE_ONLY_TOURNAMENTRULES = new TournamentRules(); |
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| 03:54.08 | Iriel | or you could do it the enum way |
| 03:54.09 | Xyphoid | the reason to have a TournamentRules is that you're doing things with it. sure, right now it might not have any state, but that's the kind of thing that could have state in the future |
| 03:54.14 | Iriel | which is another approach to your singleton instance problem |
| 03:54.26 | Iriel | If you use interfaces, anyway |
| 03:54.36 | alestane | It's not the instance that bothers me, it's having to create a class so that I can have an instance. |
| 03:55.09 | Iriel | But you have to create classes to write code |
| 03:55.12 | alestane | That's why I was pushing for an anonymous class, but there's no sane way to modularize that. |
| 03:55.12 | Iriel | that's how you reach it |
| 03:55.18 | Iriel | Well, there is, sort of |
| 03:55.25 | Iriel | but it's kind of pointless |
| 03:55.31 | alestane | Other than creating them all in the same file. |
| 03:55.40 | Iriel | public static final Ruleset THE_ONLY_TOURNAMENT_RULES = new Ruleset() { /* code here */ }; |
| 03:55.57 | Xyphoid | in the end, you're writing java, which is a language that has classes and objects, not much you can do about that |
| 03:56.06 | alestane | Right, I can do that, but then all the rulesets have to go in one file. |
| 03:56.14 | Iriel | THEY DONT |
| 03:56.16 | alestane | Java just wants everything to be a class. |
| 03:56.19 | Iriel | You can put them in as many files ads you want |
| 03:56.29 | Iriel | at some point, you do have to reference all of those files |
| 03:56.39 | alestane | But the only thing a file can export is a class or interface, right? |
| 03:56.42 | Iriel | if you want it truly dynamic you can play games with reflection |
| 03:56.59 | alestane | Oh gods, the whole reason I brought this up was to avoid reflection. |
| 03:57.02 | Iriel | right |
| 03:57.11 | Iriel | but you're trying to avoid a problem I dont think Xyphoid or I can _see_ |
| 03:57.16 | alestane | Reflection is a sure sign that you're doing it wrong. |
| 03:57.16 | Iriel | there's some phantom there |
| 03:57.19 | Iriel | and i'm not sure what it is |
| 03:57.29 | Iriel | At some point you have code that jknows what rules it wants to use |
| 03:57.36 | Iriel | that will reference the files that define those rules |
| 03:57.47 | Iriel | but there's nothing that constrains you on WHERE those rules are defined |
| 03:58.11 | alestane | The main thing I was trying to avoid was creating classes whose only purpose was to present a single instace of themselves. |
| 03:58.21 | alestane | But apparently Java considered that perfectly sane. |
| 03:58.28 | Xyphoid | that is perfectly sane, yep |
| 03:58.29 | alestane | considers* |
| 03:58.37 | Iriel | It's entirely sane -- bad practice -- but sane. |
| 03:58.37 | alestane | That is just how you solve this problem in Java. |
| 03:58.49 | Iriel | Classes whose only purpose is to present useful single instances of _stuff_ are perfectly sane |
| 03:59.05 | alestane | Or you create classes and only instance them once. |
| 03:59.08 | alestane | instantiate* |
| 03:59.09 | Iriel | Look at BigDecimal.ZERO for example. |
| 03:59.26 | Iriel | alestane: You're really hung on up on that, and I think that's clouding your vision. |
| 03:59.37 | alestane | Well, yes. |
| 03:59.45 | Xyphoid | i don't even think it's bad practice, it's very common for apps to have a class that does X that you generally only need one instance of per run. maybe in the future you'll have multiple instances, or make them more stateful, but it's just fine for your code to only happen to instantiate things once |
| 03:59.48 | Iriel | You could make it a utility class (everything's static) and avoid the instance |
| 03:59.51 | Iriel | but then you lose polymorphism |
| 04:00.04 | alestane | The approach that's already been implemented creates a Rules object for each Game object. |
| 04:00.37 | alestane | That was where I ran into issues, yes. I tried a class with static methods and subclasses of that class with static methods, but that wasn't nice either. |
| 04:01.19 | Iriel | Right, back to polymorphism |
| 04:01.30 | alestane | Right, I want polymorhism. |
| 04:01.32 | Iriel | if you want the flexibility of subclasses etc, you need an Object to know which one you want |
| 04:01.59 | alestane | And you can;t use static stuff polymorphically (well, you can, but you still need an instance to record the RTTI). |
| 04:02.32 | Iriel | Not in a "useful" way, no. |
| 04:03.27 | Iriel | Even for your tournament rules |
| 04:03.34 | Iriel | I'd argue there may be a reason to have it an instance with fields |
| 04:03.43 | Iriel | because you may for example want to be able to enable debug logging |
| 04:03.54 | alestane | ONe way or another, CommonRules and TournamentRules have to be instances of subclasses of of Ruleset. |
| 04:04.07 | alestane | Whether Ruleset is an interface or an abstract class. |
| 04:04.14 | Iriel | Here's my rule of thumb |
| 04:04.22 | alestane | Whether they are instances of names subclasses or anonymous subclasses. |
| 04:04.26 | Iriel | if CommonRules and TournamentRules contain any real amount of CODE |
| 04:04.29 | alestane | Those points are unavoidable. |
| 04:04.30 | Iriel | then they should probably be named |
| 04:04.44 | Iriel | and they could carry with them constants that are singleton instances |
| 04:05.12 | Iriel | if they're essentially inheriting their implementation and perhaps overload two trivial methods then anonymity of the implementation is probably fine |
| 04:05.18 | Iriel | and you can still use constant instances |
| 04:06.09 | alestane | Well, it's not actually that obnoxious in code trems for the registry that presents the available rulesets to create a map by saying rulesOptions.put("CommonRules", new CommonRules()). |
| 04:07.26 | alestane | Or if they are abstract, then yes, you have a public static final RuleSet implementation = new RuleSet(){} and you say rulesOptions.put("CommonRules", CommonRules.implementation) |
| 04:07.49 | Iriel | alestane: that's certainly the simple approach, and you can replace those explciit initializations with something spiffy and dynamic in the future if the need arises |
| 04:09.04 | Xyphoid | yeah, most nontrivial apps will have lots of places where you go 'in the future, we could do complex and cool thing X, here is a simple implementation' |
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| 04:09.19 | alestane | Of all the ways I've seen, that's probably the way that offends my sensibilities the least. |
| 04:10.12 | alestane | All the solutions we've discussed can be implemented just fdine, and can be robust. |
| 04:10.25 | alestane | The problem has been that as you say, I'm hung up on this one issue. |
| 04:10.33 | Iriel | By the way, if you can get your hands on it -- Effective Java, 2nd Edition, is mostly excellent. |
| 04:10.48 | alestane | So I'm pretty much going to have to let that go to some degree. |
| 04:10.58 | Iriel | IIRC there's one or two things I dont entirely agree with in there, but everything else is great. (and even those things are pretty valid). |
| 04:12.16 | alestane | We've run into a number of issues that were pretty purely ideological all around. One implementation got thrown out because my teammate abhorred the fact that my class had a public static nested class. |
| 04:12.36 | alestane | Nested or inner classes that aren't private are anathema to him. |
| 04:12.44 | Iriel | Interesting |
| 04:13.02 | alestane | Anyway, I have to go home now and sleep. I've missed too much the last few days. |
| 04:13.22 | alestane | He regards it as a bad emulation of namespaces when java has pakcages for that. |
| 04:13.27 | alestane | Thanks for the input. |
| 04:13.32 | alestane | Gotta go. |
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| 05:06.08 | intangir | hey guys i noticed something, its not my addon thats lagging up on guild roster updates |
| 05:06.12 | intangir | ... its doing it even with my addon off |
| 05:06.18 | intangir | is anyone else noticing chop on guild roster updates? |
| 05:06.25 | intangir | we do have 900+ people... |
| 05:06.40 | intangir | open guild roster, and click on different headers to re-sort over and over |
| 05:06.43 | intangir | that triggers roster update |
| 05:06.48 | intangir | see if you notice a distinct chop |
| 05:09.56 | Arrowmaster | omg this Eureka christmas special is so fucked up yet so hilarious |
| 05:10.50 | Xuerian | You know, I saw the tail end of this argument |
| 05:11.02 | Xuerian | Then I scrolled up. And scrolled up. And scrolled up. Then I ran out of fuck. |
| 05:11.10 | Xuerian | goes back to other tabs. |
| 05:11.42 | Xuerian | This argument being a hour ago, and more a discussion, but those are petty details.. |
| 05:13.04 | intangir | someone test if you lag when roster updates occur |
| 05:17.58 | Shirik | any europeans here? |
| 05:18.32 | Iriel | Shirik: by birth or residency? |
| 05:18.37 | Shirik | residence |
| 05:19.18 | Shirik | I'm curious how many europeans would use netflix if they could |
| 05:25.33 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U |
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| 05:32.45 | bluspacecow | gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 05:32.49 | bluspacecow | spell check please |
| 05:33.12 | bluspacecow | "obscurate" meaning to hide the true purpose of code by changing variable names and functions to make code look like garbage |
| 05:33.17 | bluspacecow | === ?? |
| 05:33.59 | mckenziemc | are you thinking of 'obfuscate'? |
| 05:34.44 | bluspacecow | YES! |
| 05:34.50 | bluspacecow | *giefs cookie to mck* |
| 05:35.01 | mckenziemc | i already had 2 cookies :( |
| 05:38.13 | bluspacecow | *giefs muffin instead* |
| 05:38.46 | mckenziemc | mmm |
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| 06:14.57 | Arrowmaster | gah i should not have taken this question, this guy is unbelievable |
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| 06:29.08 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 06:29.29 | bluspacecow | is there some addon out there that can measure latency without using GetNetStats() that isn't quartz ? |
| 06:29.41 | bluspacecow | i under quartz' latency thing only works if your casting right ? |
| 06:31.49 | Arrowmaster | theres not really any other good ways to do it |
| 06:32.18 | Arrowmaster | i guess you could try using a function that triggers a return from the server and check that for latency |
| 06:32.19 | mckenziemc | i made an addon back in wotlk that sent addon messages to yourself |
| 06:32.33 | mckenziemc | but it broke in cata when they separated the chat system from the world |
| 06:32.47 | mckenziemc | i think i could make it try /friend though |
| 06:32.59 | mckenziemc | or guildinfo etc |
| 06:37.48 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow: are you wanting it for yourself, or someone on the forums? |
| 06:38.01 | bluspacecow | on the forums. |
| 06:38.19 | bluspacecow | oh i meant "i understand quartz's …." |
| 06:38.56 | mckenziemc | if it's for some random person then i'm not gonna rush to work on it :P |
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| 07:06.37 | airtonix | umad? |
| 07:11.03 | Thunder_Child | umad? |
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| 07:42.34 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 07:42.42 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 07:43.08 | Fisker | nope.avi |
| 07:44.43 | Fisker | Pets cannot be summoned during the decent into this encounter. |
| 07:44.44 | Fisker | descent? |
| 07:47.29 | mckenziemc | indecent |
| 07:48.01 | Sintacks | I'M MAD |
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| 07:57.50 | bluspacecow | it means when they're summoned their naked |
| 07:57.54 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 07:57.59 | bluspacecow | *summons succubus* |
| 07:58.04 | bluspacecow | @fisker u mad ? |
| 07:58.22 | mckenziemc | @bluspacecow u edible? |
| 07:58.26 | bluspacecow | naw |
| 07:58.50 | mckenziemc | gnaws on bluspacecow. |
| 07:59.01 | bluspacecow | noes |
| 07:59.28 | mckenziemc | gnaws on bluspacecow's nose. |
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| 08:17.30 | Cairenn | mikma: http://i.imgur.com/QWUgo.jpg |
| 08:18.53 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cairenn |
| 08:18.53 | purl | hits Cairenn with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 08:18.59 | Thunder_Child | teach me to click links.... |
| 08:19.01 | Cairenn | hugs Thunder_Child |
| 08:19.25 | [Wobin] | Thunder_Child: sure. You take the mouse cursor, place it over the link, and left click, once. |
| 08:19.57 | Thunder_Child | ~lart [Wobin] twice |
| 08:19.57 | purl | blames [Wobin] twice for all the evil in the world |
| 08:25.09 | Sintacks | I just died... |
| 08:25.13 | Sintacks | on Ultra.. in LFR... |
| 08:25.15 | Sintacks | and got ressed... |
| 08:25.17 | Sintacks | on Spine |
| 08:25.19 | Sintacks | in another instance |
| 08:25.20 | Sintacks | wtf |
| 08:27.43 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 08:35.17 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 08:35.18 | Fisker | umad |
| 08:35.24 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 08:37.25 | mckenziemc | Fisker's mad |
| 08:47.19 | Fisker | i'm |
| 08:47.22 | Fisker | killing a guy |
| 08:47.31 | Fisker | you cannot stop me bluspacecow |
| 08:49.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3cRWJcZjW4 |
| 08:50.46 | Fisker | hot |
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| 08:53.24 | Fisker | isn't that right haste ? |
| 08:54.02 | mckenziemc | stuffs Fisker into a microwave and sets it for 20 minutes on high |
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| 09:35.33 | airtonix | hey fiskerhaste |
| 09:35.38 | Fisker | umadbroski? |
| 09:35.42 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 09:35.45 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 09:35.58 | Fisker | i got games i already own Stanzilla |
| 09:36.12 | Stanzilla | give them to me then |
| 09:36.20 | Fisker | nope |
| 09:36.26 | Fisker | waiting until i can add them on steam as gifts |
| 09:36.53 | Stanzilla | and then gift them to me? |
| 09:36.56 | Fisker | nope |
| 09:37.03 | airtonix | oh |
| 09:37.12 | Fisker | hey Alram |
| 09:39.41 | airtonix | hey fisker, you wouldn't... |
| 09:39.54 | Fisker | STEAL A CAR? |
| 09:40.46 | airtonix | what was the other one |
| 09:41.57 | Fisker | download a car? |
| 09:43.20 | airtonix | no the other one |
| 09:45.29 | airtonix | would you watch a film made by: www.bonafilm.cn |
| 09:47.12 | airtonix | Fisker: i remember what it was |
| 09:47.22 | airtonix | you wouldn't answer my question |
| 09:51.51 | mckenziemc | hey airtonix |
| 09:51.54 | mckenziemc | i have to pee |
| 09:51.57 | mckenziemc | i'm mad |
| 09:55.15 | Fisker | just gonna yawn in your face bluspacecow |
| 09:55.24 | airtonix | do you really though? |
| 09:56.51 | Fisker | eumadbro |
| 09:57.05 | Fisker | not getting stuff at the same discount as their US counterparts |
| 09:57.07 | Fisker | deymadbro |
| 09:57.12 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 10:01.35 | airtonix | should i care about games |
| 10:01.54 | mckenziemc | should we care if you care |
| 10:03.17 | airtonix | i don't know? should you care if i care that you might care if i care? |
| 10:03.43 | mckenziemc | no |
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| 10:04.09 | airtonix | no you don't care or no i shouldn't care whether you care that i care? |
| 10:05.26 | mckenziemc | no |
| 10:05.43 | Kalroth | carebear love to all <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 10:05.54 | Kalroth | opens his chest and .. bleeds to death on the floor. |
| 10:06.02 | airtonix | ohok |
| 10:09.24 | airtonix | Kalroth: you going to clean that up? |
| 10:09.36 | airtonix | it'd be the polite thing to do |
| 10:11.13 | Kalroth | gurgles politely. |
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| 10:39.50 | harl | hello |
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| 10:54.14 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 10:54.42 | bluspacecow | anyone know how , in a bash , to get the day of the week of a given date ? it's puzzling me |
| 10:58.02 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:58.03 | Fisker | jersk |
| 10:58.12 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 10:58.17 | Sintacks | hey Fisker |
| 10:58.22 | Sintacks | Y U MAD |
| 10:58.59 | haste | date +"%s" -d "Fri Apr 24 13:14:39 CDT 2009" |
| 10:59.08 | haste | just replace %s with U |
| 10:59.23 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:59.30 | Fisker | isn't that right? |
| 10:59.44 | haste | s/U/%U/ |
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| 11:00.13 | bluspacecow | illegal time format :\ |
| 11:00.30 | bluspacecow | i just want to know for a given date of the current month what day it is |
| 11:01.06 | haste | just use "Apr 24 2009" and so on? |
| 11:01.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 11:01.23 | Fisker | haste hates me |
| 11:01.29 | Fisker | can't spell haste without hate |
| 11:01.38 | haste | I just suck at multitasking ;( |
| 11:01.55 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 11:02.22 | haste | Fisker: you mean hates right :D ? |
| 11:02.31 | Fisker | also that |
| 11:02.35 | bluspacecow | os x date doesn't have the -d option. installing gnutils from macports to see if it has gnu date |
| 11:02.39 | Kalroth | but you can spell sheta with haste! |
| 11:02.56 | Sintacks | why can't the world just agree on a date format |
| 11:02.57 | Fisker | 6. december 201116:52Afgang fra grænsepostkontor |
| 11:03.00 | Fisker | wroom wroom though |
| 11:03.04 | Fisker | dicks |
| 11:03.12 | haste | Sintacks: changing a date format takes time, a lot of it |
| 11:03.16 | Kalroth | did you order a new dick, Fisker? |
| 11:03.26 | Fisker | it really sucks that wikipedia stopped using Jimmy Wales in their obnoxious donation ads |
| 11:03.30 | Fisker | it was so fucking funny |
| 11:03.33 | haste | did you know Fisker, I only have 30 minutes left at work today |
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| 11:05.12 | Fisker | nope haste |
| 11:05.18 | Fisker | you're working overtime today |
| 11:07.04 | Fisker | mad |
| 11:07.08 | Fisker | smash |
| 11:08.09 | haste | lol no Fisker |
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| 11:29.36 | Fisker | lol yes haste |
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| 11:41.51 | airtonix | bluspacecow: you suck |
| 11:42.05 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 11:42.07 | airtonix | bluspacecow: prove you're terminal uses bash by default |
| 11:42.20 | bluspacecow | os x 10.7 |
| 11:42.25 | airtonix | try again |
| 11:43.15 | bluspacecow | echo $set | grep SHELL |
| 11:43.31 | airtonix | and? |
| 11:43.38 | bluspacecow | bunnies! |
| 11:43.52 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.55 | airtonix | so then your terminal uses bunnies |
| 11:43.58 | airtonix | not bash |
| 11:44.09 | bluspacecow | trolololol u mad ? |
| 11:44.10 | airtonix | please bluspacecow |
| 11:44.13 | airtonix | when you lie |
| 11:44.19 | airtonix | you smell of bullshit |
| 11:44.20 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 11:46.12 | bluspacecow | [nsfw] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa3u_LOdbD8 |
| 11:47.51 | airtonix | you are disgusting |
| 11:48.47 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 11:48.56 | Fisker | i like that |
| 11:49.47 | Fisker | jelly airtonix ? |
| 11:50.47 | airtonix | nou |
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| 11:57.15 | Fisker | just gonna shove you down a ditch haste |
| 12:01.12 | Mikk | oh just give it up and admit that you love eachother and make beautiful manlove |
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| 12:48.10 | karl_w_w | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8386264/mythbusters-hits-home-with-cannonball |
| 12:55.26 | airtonix | why is this news on an australian website ffs |
| 12:55.33 | airtonix | fail australia FAIL |
| 12:56.10 | airtonix | "oh look we have no culture of our own" |
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| 13:39.02 | [Wobin] | airtonix: 1) it's in the 'world' section |
| 13:39.09 | [Wobin] | and 2) it's ninemsn, what do you expect =P |
| 13:39.19 | airtonix | FUCK NINEMSN |
| 13:39.23 | airtonix | DIE DIE DIE |
| 13:39.58 | airtonix | choke on a goat |
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| 14:05.11 | alestane | Yay, Peppy! |
| 14:05.15 | alestane | Feeling better? |
| 14:12.22 | Lopeppeppy | Some, yeah. I'll be coughing up a lung for another week or so, but as long as it's without the blood, I count it as recovery. |
| 14:16.46 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/oh0Ib.jpg |
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| 14:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Kitties are all unique! I see a long hair, with some siamese points. What could be a burmese? I'd have to see more than cat 2's face. Cat 3 is a domestic shorthair, tabby. The two greys could be a special breed, but might not be. The two small whites are too small to tell, but Mister Big Tail down in the corner could be Maine Coon, in which case I'll steal him. |
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| 14:30.50 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: it needs a picture of a sphynx :P |
| 14:37.36 | alestane | Peppy, aren't they called Coon Cats because they can tangle with a racoon and come out on top? |
| 14:39.04 | Lopeppeppy | They could probably kill a friggin' bear if they took a mind to. |
| 14:40.52 | Lopeppeppy | But they're awesome cuddly fuzzy lumps of family pet, too. Sort of like a Wookie. |
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| 15:01.00 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 15:04.10 | eXemplar | huh, this is odd |
| 15:04.17 | eXemplar | running this seems to crash wow: /dump string.upper("\0x55") |
| 15:08.24 | Maldivia | so it doesn't like trying to uppercase NU |
| 15:08.26 | Maldivia | L |
| 15:09.49 | Fisker | http://i1-scripts.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Random-dots-12290.png <-this is our raid during seething hate on the new BH boss |
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| 15:10.36 | eXemplar | Maldivia: see I thought that would have been an a U |
| 15:10.50 | Maldivia | eXemplar: lua doesn't have hex-escape |
| 15:11.23 | eXemplar | sad |
| 15:11.26 | Maldivia | so "\85" |
| 15:11.38 | Maldivia | or string.char(0x55) |
| 15:22.51 | Ackis | nintendo 3ds got an update last night :D |
| 15:22.59 | Maldivia | it's in 4D now? |
| 15:23.31 | Ackis | nein |
| 15:23.38 | Ackis | but you can record 3D video apparently |
| 15:23.48 | Fisker | can you record porn in 3D? |
| 15:24.03 | Ackis | tehehehe |
| 15:24.42 | Fisker | whats so funny? |
| 15:33.21 | Dagmar | Well, it's about time |
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| 16:41.13 | Shirik | Sent with high importance: FLAG ACTION NOTIFICATION (NATIONAL) |
| 16:41.30 | Shirik | Why does the company think I need to know that we're going to fly the flag at half mast |
| 16:42.08 | karl_w_w | fuckin 20k hps on deathwing in 376 gear |
| 16:42.44 | Shirik | priest? |
| 16:42.54 | kullervo | fairly usual, imo |
| 16:42.58 | karl_w_w | shammy |
| 16:43.15 | Shirik | if you were a priest you would be doing 30 |
| 16:43.25 | karl_w_w | i'd be bored too :P |
| 16:43.33 | kullervo | 20k hps was common in FL hc, after all |
| 16:43.36 | Shirik | nope |
| 16:43.46 | Shirik | you just need to be running around going lololololololol |
| 16:43.51 | Shirik | then you're not bored anymore |
| 16:43.51 | karl_w_w | and there were 4 priests |
| 16:43.55 | Shirik | good priests know these tricks |
| 16:44.11 | karl_w_w | all of them did 2/3 of my healing |
| 16:44.23 | Ackis | I like the lol spell Shirik |
| 16:44.33 | karl_w_w | and the poor pally down at |
| 16:44.38 | karl_w_w | lua> 6/15 |
| 16:44.40 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: 0.4 |
| 16:44.47 | karl_w_w | 2/5 my healing |
| 16:45.51 | karl_w_w | <kullervo> 20k hps was common in FL hc, after all <- not in 376 gear it wasnt :P |
| 16:46.07 | karl_w_w | on a 14 minute fight |
| 16:46.20 | Shirik | interesting |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | United is already counting continental flights as their own |
| 16:46.55 | Shirik | even though "lifetime flight miles" says "on united and nited express" it still counts continental, yay |
| 16:48.49 | Shirik | hey Cidan |
| 16:48.51 | Shirik | Cide* |
| 16:49.29 | Cide | hi |
| 16:52.54 | Shirik | Cide: You jelly? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/91bb9deed9e9321ac16dc64fcd4cdd4c.png |
| 16:52.57 | Shirik | You should become an american |
| 16:53.07 | Shirik | I'll make you a deal |
| 16:53.12 | Shirik | bring your internet with you and you can live here |
| 16:53.36 | Cide | I am not sure I would want to be an american without my internet connection |
| 16:55.22 | Cide | also, not very jelly |
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| 16:55.55 | Shirik | wat |
| 16:56.00 | Shirik | how can you not jelly |
| 16:56.48 | Cide | because I prefer mathematics over statistics |
| 16:57.23 | Cide | or maybe I should say every other mathematical field over statistics |
| 16:57.29 | karl_w_w | i might be jelly, if i could decipher what i was looking at |
| 16:57.38 | Cide | also that |
| 16:57.44 | Cide | but not even then |
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| 17:00.11 | Shirik | karl_w_w: The only important part is the green part at the bottom |
| 17:00.13 | Shirik | where it says "GL" |
| 17:00.15 | Shirik | which means "gain/loss" |
| 17:00.25 | Shirik | and that's over 4 days |
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| 17:05.26 | Maldivia | Adys ?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00m7qjb |
| 17:05.53 | Dagmar | Shirik: I think maybe my couch is doing better |
| 17:06.13 | Shirik | nope |
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| 17:07.55 | Dagmar | $126? |
| 17:08.05 | Dagmar | No, my couch has actually done better than that. |
| 17:08.14 | Shirik | in 4 days |
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| 17:08.16 | nicoli_s | thx for that Maldivia |
| 17:08.20 | nicoli_s | love me some doctor who |
| 17:08.21 | Dagmar | It helps that I used to have some careless hippie friends |
| 17:08.24 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:08.29 | Shirik | that does help |
| 17:08.55 | Shirik | actually that number's a little off, it doesn't show the options I've written |
| 17:09.05 | Shirik | but technically they're not stock which is why they're ont there |
| 17:09.49 | Shirik | I have 3 covered calls on it so $40x3 expiring on Jan 21 strike $24, but I can't really count that as profit until Jan 21 |
| 17:10.04 | Maldivia | nicoli_s, np :P |
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| 17:16.18 | Ackis | Wow: http://www.thegamerstudio.com/index.php/sony/transferring-umds-to-the-ps-vita-will-cost-money.html |
| 17:17.31 | Cide | Shirik: have you seen the new animation for levitate though |
| 17:18.04 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: between that and the memory cards, anybody that buys a vita is a dumbass |
| 17:18.26 | Ackis | yup |
| 17:18.30 | Ackis | I know my wife will want one though |
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| 17:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. Who ordered the snow? |
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| 17:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | looks supiciously at Seerah. |
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| 17:35.00 | cog|work | i'll take it if you don't want it |
| 17:35.21 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:35.23 | Fisker | not so hey Ackis |
| 17:35.24 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | All yours, cog, come get it!!! |
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| 17:44.41 | Jamash | Hey Shirik, I just wanted to ping you to annoy you with two spaces after a sentence. Happy holidays! |
| 17:46.55 | Lopeppeppy | I learned to type on a manual typewriter. I still use the double space more often than not - it's a hard habit to break. |
| 17:47.20 | Ackis | did Shirik start that or did cog|work start it? |
| 17:47.27 | foxlit | Did they have electricity back then? |
| 17:47.35 | Ackis | ~foxlit++ |
| 17:47.44 | Ackis | (Karma for implying Lopeppeppy is old) |
| 17:47.47 | Arrowmaster | its a good trick to learn when needing to artificially increase the size of homework |
| 17:47.51 | Ackis | cuz she's gonna beat your ass down now |
| 17:48.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, foxlit! And you too, Ackis, for noticing it. Hrmp. |
| 17:48.11 | kullervo | why would you type two spaces after ending a sentence? |
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| 17:48.30 | cog|work | because it was necessary for making monospace prose readable |
| 17:48.36 | cog|work | on typewriters and early computers |
| 17:48.48 | cog|work | but typographically it has been wrong for ages |
| 17:48.56 | foxlit | "monospace" must mean something different. |
| 17:49.18 | kd3|phone | Good thing I'm in the habit of always charging my phone... just lost power. |
| 17:49.18 | foxlit | It seems to me that if a single space character was the same width as an m, you wouldn't have legibility problems with it. |
| 17:49.47 | Lopeppeppy | It's just a hard habit to break, because the human generational life span is longer than the typography generational life span. :) |
| 17:49.51 | kd3|phone | looks for the power company's number... |
| 17:50.09 | cog|work | foxlit: the problem is that all characters have the same wdth as M |
| 17:50.19 | cog|work | so extra space exists around thinner characters |
| 17:50.29 | cog|work | giving an uneven feel to the whole thing |
| 17:50.38 | cog|work | and making individual spaces less noticable |
| 17:50.48 | cog|work | http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html |
| 17:50.56 | cog|work | ^ that's what started this all |
| 17:51.37 | Fisker | omg aliens |
| 17:51.39 | Fisker | we're all going to die |
| 17:51.48 | Fisker | cuddles up behind kd3|phone |
| 17:53.35 | Fisker | why do news always make stupid redundant questions |
| 17:53.44 | Fisker | "Is it an UFO?" |
| 17:53.48 | Fisker | Yes, we don't know what it is |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker | so it is an UFO |
| 17:53.51 | Fisker | idiots |
| 17:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is, that's what UFO *means*. Oiy. |
| 17:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | News isn't news anymore, it's... stirring up sensation with the barest smattering of facts as a pretext. |
| 17:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | I am also apparently cranky at being weather-blocked out of working on my homework tonight. Grrr. Argh. |
| 18:00.06 | Jamash | oh you're right it was cog |
| 18:00.07 | Jamash | sorry shirik |
| 18:00.15 | Jamash | Hey Cogwheel, I just wanted to ping you to annoy you with two spaces after a sentence. Happy holidays! |
| 18:00.27 | cog|work | Thank. You. You two.... |
| 18:00.42 | Lopeppeppy | It might have been Shirik, but it's more up Cogwheel's pedant-alley. :) |
| 18:00.49 | cog|work | it was me ;) |
| 18:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | I say this with greatest post-dino affection, of course. |
| 18:01.23 | Jamash | more like lamestream snooze |
| 18:01.35 | kd3|phone | Pop goes a transformer. Guess this'll ne a while. |
| 18:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Those take a bit of work to fix, kd3. |
| 18:02.02 | cog|work | Fisker: my theory that is mine which belongs to me and i own it and it's mine is that the charged particles from the CME are being focused by Mercury's magnetic field into a hot sopt jsut past the planet |
| 18:02.04 | Jamash | I broke my laptop AC adapter (or is it adaptor) |
| 18:03.46 | Jamash | kd3: http://imgur.com/gallery/BMAVW |
| 18:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like a shipment for after atorm. |
| 18:05.27 | kd3|phone | Lol |
| 18:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | I am seriously doing a google search for images of WoW sharks chasing people up on the beach... Insanity! |
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| 18:12.20 | kd3|phone | Time to save battery... |
| 18:12.51 | Fisker | yay |
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| 18:34.03 | Fisker | so |
| 18:34.08 | Fisker | BF3 is basically just MW3 now |
| 18:35.01 | Ackis | no it's better! |
| 18:35.03 | Ackis | or worse! |
| 18:35.16 | Ackis | but it's different than BF2 whereas MW3 is the same as MW2 |
| 18:35.24 | Torhal|work | disables Ackis. |
| 18:35.52 | Ackis | quit pinging me Torhal|work |
| 18:35.56 | Ackis | you're too busy to ping me |
| 18:36.03 | Torhal|work | Lunch. |
| 18:36.07 | Torhal|work | pings Ackis. |
| 18:36.10 | Ackis | why would they let you have lunch? |
| 18:36.16 | Ackis | hippy work place! |
| 18:36.29 | Torhal|work | So I don't fly you down to hang out in the office, likely. |
| 18:36.46 | Torhal|work | You'd be trolling from cubicle to cubicle. |
| 18:36.55 | Fisker | well Ackis this is the 2nd time i've been kicked within the last hour :P |
| 18:36.55 | Ackis | I first read that as you wanted to fly out here and hang me |
| 18:37.15 | Ackis | Torhal|work: nah, I'd just troll you, I like the other guys too much ;) |
| 18:37.16 | Fisker | just because of the typical "no whining, unless you're skilled then herp derp ban" |
| 18:37.25 | Torhal|work | re-writes Ackis. |
| 18:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | They let me have lunch, first time in 2 weeks. Nifty |
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| 19:13.07 | foxlit | heh, where did all the elementium go? |
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| 19:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | I was hungry |
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| 19:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, why did you send me your extra snow? |
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| 19:16.55 | kd3 | yay, power |
| 19:17.30 | Seerah | I thought you sent me yours :/ |
| 19:18.27 | karl_w_w | why is it every time you play a new game and you want to see the frame rate you have to google to find out how? |
| 19:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, you're upstream of me, had to have come from you. :) |
| 19:20.04 | Seerah | Trust me, if I could have kept it, I would have. ;) |
| 19:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, you're so sweet. |
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| 19:22.18 | Seerah | It's already melting here :( |
| 19:22.52 | Seerah | (actually, the wave that we got this morning of snow was behind what you're getting now - that wave flooded us first) |
| 19:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | We have rain now, we're getting snow overnight, and then rain to wash it away tomorrow morning. Just the wrong timing for me to not be able to get homework done tonight. :) |
| 19:33.13 | durcyn | and of course it starts snowing in DC right before I'm supposed to get on a plane back home. blaming you, peppy. |
| 19:34.10 | alestane | That means it will likely be snowing when I come home tonight. |
| 19:35.00 | Cairenn | We've had snow too, over the last couple of days. Not a lot, but some. |
| 19:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | We're not getting snow here until after 10pm, alestane, so you shouldn't get it until midnight. |
| 19:35.24 | alestane | Oh, I didn't read enough. I thought it was snowing on you. |
| 19:35.25 | nicoli_s | we have a wintry mix going on |
| 19:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not afraid of rain, or of snow... it's that wintry mix in the middle that freaks me the heck out. |
| 19:38.40 | Dagmar | I worry more about the people in the invincible SUVs |
| 19:38.47 | kd3 | it can't be winter weather without a good ice storm happening |
| 19:38.57 | kd3 | a good inch of ice on /everything/ sure makes things look pretty |
| 19:39.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, everything looks so nice by candlelight |
| 19:39.31 | Dagmar | I love the way candelight highlights the piano black finish on my monitors. |
| 19:39.54 | Dagmar | ...cuz at that point, they ain't lightin' up anywhere else. |
| 19:40.04 | kd3 | yup |
| 19:45.18 | alestane | Alright. Suddenly exhausted, have to sleep and nap before class. |
| 19:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | I like the soft blink of holiday lights best. |
| 19:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | And now-a-days, that doesn't require electricity. Solar powered, battery powered. So nifty. |
| 19:49.21 | Arrowmaster | hmm my rss reader isnt showing titles for slashdot articles now |
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| 20:06.47 | Cairenn | pokes Torhal|work |
| 20:07.02 | Torhal|work | raises an eyebrow at Cairenn. |
| 20:07.10 | Cairenn | Update on WoWI too? |
| 20:07.20 | Torhal|work | Cairenn: Update what? |
| 20:07.41 | Cairenn | ARL |
| 20:07.50 | Torhal|work | Did someone tag it? |
| 20:07.51 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 20:08.01 | Cairenn | Shows updated on Curse ... |
| 20:08.26 | Torhal|work | Holy shit. pomp tagged a new version. |
| 20:08.30 | Torhal|work | pompy* |
| 20:08.47 | Torhal|work | uploads. |
| 20:08.58 | Cairenn | Thanks :) |
| 20:10.20 | Torhal|work | Sorry…he's bad about updating WoWI. Collectinator always seems to be like three versions behind before I notice (I never tag new versions of that) |
| 20:10.35 | Cairenn | pokes pompy |
| 20:10.44 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | Share your toys! *big sad eyes* |
| 20:11.40 | mikma | haha |
| 20:11.44 | mikma | pervert |
| 20:12.51 | Ackis | haha Torhal|work got poked |
| 20:13.20 | Torhal|work | Ackis: All because pompy is a big jerk. |
| 20:13.23 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:13.42 | Ackis | I thought I was the big jerk? |
| 20:13.50 | mikma | sometimes i just love bf3 |
| 20:13.52 | Torhal|work | You were until I gave up on you. |
| 20:14.03 | Ackis | so what you're saying is I've defeated you! |
| 20:14.05 | mikma | i got called a wallhacker cause i shot people according what my minimap said |
| 20:14.14 | Torhal|work | I'm saying you are no longer my concern. |
| 20:14.15 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:14.18 | mikma | "coming round the corner, now, PRRRRRRRRRRR, dead" |
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| 20:18.34 | Ackis | apparently a writer for the show Family Guy was arrested in the Occupy L.A. terrorist activities... can't wait to see that episode |
| 20:18.35 | Ackis | http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/ |
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| 20:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Celebs are having a grand time publicizing their civil disobedience arrests lately. All I can say is, at least they *can* publicize it. |
| 20:21.28 | Ackis | other things I did not want to read today: "The bag had been run over by a vehicle, killing some of the kittens and making it difficult to tell exactly how many cats were inside" |
| 20:21.38 | nicoli_s | yeah its good that the police brutality being used is coming to light |
| 20:21.58 | Ackis | full story here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57337836/kittens-discarded-in-cat-food-bag-rescued-by-dog/ |
| 20:22.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:22.01 | Cairenn | http://blip.tv/blizzblues-with-darnell/blizz-blues-12-days-of-smack-talkin-5799492 |
| 20:25.23 | Maldivia | lol |
| 20:28.14 | Ackis | is it grounds for divorce if your wife gets a D3 beta invite and doesn't share with you? |
| 20:28.20 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:28.34 | nicoli_s | Ackis:yer welcome to use my acct if youd like |
| 20:29.05 | Ackis | thanks! :D she'll share or I'll get one of my own soonish enough, just need to troll her a bit :D hehe |
| 20:29.09 | Ackis | afk work meeting :( |
| 20:34.23 | Fisker | i brr nicoli_s |
| 20:34.25 | Fisker | i brr Ackis |
| 20:34.28 | Fisker | I BRRRRRRR |
| 20:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | Put on some socks, Fisker. |
| 20:34.54 | mckenziemc | pours hot oil over Fisker |
| 20:35.00 | Fisker | what is this magic of which you speak Lopeppeppy |
| 20:37.40 | mckenziemc | Fisk |
| 20:47.25 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: on the other hand the people could have actually left when asked to. |
| 20:51.29 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: these protestors were treated worse and spent more time in jail than I did when I beat up a cop |
| 20:51.58 | nicoli_s | exactly |
| 20:53.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm not condoning the actions of the cops, i'm saying they had about 3 days of warning to vacate, and they were offered a wherehouse about 3 blocks away to use free of charge. They refused. |
| 20:53.42 | Thunder_Child | warehouse* |
| 20:53.57 | Ackis | whorehouse* |
| 20:54.18 | Maldivia | uhh... I totally forgot about Warehouse 13 last night! |
| 20:54.22 | Thunder_Child | no, city hall is more than 3 blocks away Ackis |
| 20:54.35 | mckenziemc | traps Ackis in a slaughterhouse. |
| 20:55.07 | Thunder_Child | afk's |
| 20:55.14 | Ackis | well played Thunder_Child |
| 20:55.33 | Torhal|work | sends thousands of text messages to Ackis's phone. |
| 20:56.18 | mckenziemc | sends thousands of nude pics to Torhal|work's phone. |
| 20:56.48 | Torhal|work | Amazing feat, considering I haven't owned a phone since 2005. |
| 20:57.23 | nicoli_s | he meant the office phone |
| 20:57.28 | Fisker | :( nicoli_s |
| 20:57.31 | Cairenn | Awww, Harry Morgan (Colonel Potter in MASH) died |
| 20:57.34 | nicoli_s | and/or your skype number |
| 20:57.47 | nicoli_s | nooooo not harry potter! |
| 20:57.51 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 20:58.17 | Ackis | hey nicoli_s remember when I got you to troll Torhal|work for me? |
| 20:58.33 | Torhal|work | You can fuck off and die now, Ackis. |
| 20:58.35 | Torhal|work | Twice. |
| 20:58.48 | Ackis | Cairenn: Torhal|work is being abusive to me. Twice. |
| 20:58.57 | Cairenn | And? |
| 20:59.01 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:59.20 | Mr_Rabies | awww yeahhh new Ackis recipe list |
| 21:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mr. Rabies is being nice to balance it. |
| 21:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | I saw that earlier, Cairenn, and had a sadness for him and his horse and Mildred. |
| 21:02.01 | Cairenn | Yeah :( |
| 21:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | I wish they made husbands like that in this modern era, let me tell you. |
| 21:02.25 | Torhal|work | Should we start saying "horse-puckey!" to everyone? |
| 21:03.46 | Lopeppeppy | I loved how he dealt with Frank and Margaret. And for someone like Klinger to not bother him in the slightest was awesome. |
| 21:08.47 | foxlit | why is the new nexus shatter useless, anyway? |
| 21:09.28 | foxlit | or, well, maelstrom shatter |
| 21:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | cause maelstrom crystals are still worth something for now |
| 21:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | abyss crystals randomly jumped up to like 50g each on my realm for some reason |
| 21:10.26 | foxlit | because that shatter is useful |
| 21:10.59 | foxlit | actually gets you dust/essence, which is probably the easiest way to level enchanting. |
| 21:11.29 | Mr_Rabies | oh does it, i thought it was just crystals |
| 21:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | er shads |
| 21:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | shards, gah |
| 21:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | wow actually, 2x heavenly are worth more than one maelstrom right now |
| 21:13.54 | Mr_Rabies | shatters a few |
| 21:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | i've got like 100 maelstrom, i'm gonna sell like half of them i think |
| 21:18.20 | mckenziemc | you should give the rest away to me |
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| 21:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | wow heavenly are about 90g each, maelstrom are like 150 sooooo |
| 21:21.57 | Mr_Rabies | time to shatter some :p |
| 21:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | selling mats is way more profitable than selling enchants on my server still |
| 21:24.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's sad :( |
| 21:24.34 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't sold an enchant in months |
| 21:28.11 | Maldivia | me nither... but then again, haven't tried |
| 21:28.19 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.rondejeremy.com/ |
| 21:29.01 | Cairenn | mikma: ? |
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| 21:29.39 | mikma | cairenn: yo dawg, i heard you like ron de jeremy so i linked if for you so you can like ron de jeremy when you browse the page |
| 21:29.55 | mikma | linked it for you* |
| 21:29.56 | Cairenn | what? |
| 21:30.11 | Cairenn | is confused |
| 21:30.14 | Stanzilla | mikma: meme gone wrong :D |
| 21:30.25 | mikma | stanzilla: my point exactly |
| 21:30.33 | mikma | cairenn: where is the trust, where is the love |
| 21:30.34 | Fisker | i shattered you Mr_Rabies |
| 21:30.44 | Stanzilla | Fisker: killed morchok yet? |
| 21:30.47 | Stanzilla | he's super easy |
| 21:30.57 | Fisker | you don't usually drink rum mikma |
| 21:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | oh no i haev been shatter'd |
| 21:30.59 | Fisker | but when you do? |
| 21:31.09 | mikma | fisker: when i do, it's ron de jeremy |
| 21:31.16 | mikma | that makes me feel like the hedgehog |
| 21:31.28 | Fisker | not sure i would want rum made by hookers, explosives and baseball bats |
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| 21:31.38 | Fisker | seems like a very bad business strategy |
| 21:32.03 | mikma | it might, but then again ... |
| 21:32.21 | Fisker | works for mythbusters |
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| 21:34.43 | Stanzilla | I have a new keyboard Fisker |
| 21:34.45 | Stanzilla | and I like it |
| 21:37.22 | Fisker | Which one? |
| 21:38.41 | mikma | all of the ones you don't have |
| 21:39.14 | Mr_Rabies | they should get rid of direct item enchanting altogether and require vellums so i can actually sanely figure out how much this stuff goes for vs mats |
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| 21:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | i thiiiiiink landslide is marginally profitable but everything else seems to sell for mats or less than mats |
| 21:41.24 | foxlit | how would vellums help? |
| 21:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | just list the scroll as the final product instead of the useless spell |
| 21:42.17 | Ackis | The moral of Ackis's story? Mischief will let in even a confessed guild-killer. |
| 21:42.28 | Ackis | I wrote a post on how I got in to raiding |
| 21:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | vellums are so cheap they should just be considered like alch vials or inscription paper |
| 21:44.35 | Xyphoid | since vellums became vendor guff, yeah |
| 21:45.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's a pain to figure out how much something costs to make vs. the final product's sale price right now |
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| 21:48.44 | foxlit | as a human? |
| 21:48.48 | foxlit | not that big a problem |
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| 21:50.42 | Mr_Rabies | as a human? D: |
| 21:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | what? D: |
| 21:51.13 | foxlit | you're basically one auction house away from determining what an enchant sells for |
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| 21:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but then i have to add up mat cost and then visit an AH just to see if it's even worth making |
| 21:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | meanwhile, the spell section of the enchanting ui is totally useless now |
| 21:57.26 | foxlit | which is about the same amount of work you'd have to do if it produced scrolls instead. |
| 21:57.57 | foxlit | you'd still have to add up the mat costs, and then visit an AH to see what the scroll sells for. |
| 21:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but it's easy to find an addon that lists the costs of items on the AH |
| 21:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see why you wouldn't want it added, there's literally no point to just list the spell |
| 22:00.23 | foxlit | mostly because I don't see why I'd want it added :) |
| 22:00.39 | foxlit | It's not like active "this would suck!" objection, it's just "meh, I don't care about that." |
| 22:01.30 | foxlit | Though perhaps it'd add more complexity to enchanting your own gear, which is kind of meh. |
| 22:01.39 | Mr_Rabies | I think it'd make enchanting way more simple |
| 22:01.50 | Mr_Rabies | use mats-> make item |
| 22:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | instead of use mats -> cast spell on item |
| 22:02.10 | foxlit | use mats -> make item -> apply item to gear |
| 22:02.13 | foxlit | use mats -> enchant gear. |
| 22:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | except it adds an annoying step in the middle to find out how much something costs to make versus how much it sells for, unlike every other profession :/ |
| 22:08.56 | foxlit | That step is only "added" if you're relying on addons to do it for you in the first place |
| 22:09.17 | foxlit | In which case, the easily approachable solution from your side is to fix the addons, not change the game. |
| 22:09.36 | foxlit | Which isn't to say that the game shouldn't be changed, just that this is a very artificial reason for wanting it to be. |
| 22:09.51 | Mr_Rabies | both are equally impossible for me so might as well wish for the better option |
| 22:10.43 | karl_w_w | the problem is that there's no way to make gold out of enchanting |
| 22:10.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, pretty much |
| 22:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | because there's a big disconnect between the mats and the final product |
| 22:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think the final product should always be scrolls |
| 22:11.30 | Mr_Rabies | streamlining it and making it like every other profession |
| 22:11.50 | karl_w_w | the problem there is that everybody has free reign over the mats, got nothing to do with the final product |
| 22:12.02 | Mr_Rabies | that is a huge problem too |
| 22:12.16 | Mr_Rabies | everyone has a free gathering profession for enchanting mats |
| 22:12.20 | karl_w_w | eg. if inks dropped for everyone in dungeons, inscription would be in the same situation |
| 22:13.00 | karl_w_w | although inscription is hardly a good example of a profession in a good place, but you get the point :P |
| 22:13.28 | karl_w_w | there was way too much redundancy in that sentence |
| 22:14.06 | mckenziemc | you didn't have to restate the obvious |
| 22:14.24 | mckenziemc | :P |
| 22:15.01 | karl_w_w | i didn't restate anything :P |
| 22:15.37 | Mr_Rabies | i think inscription could do with some streamlining of its own |
| 22:15.42 | Mr_Rabies | one type of paper, for one |
| 22:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | simplifying the pigment->ink system |
| 22:16.09 | Mr_Rabies | professions are basically horrendously broken at this point |
| 22:16.50 | karl_w_w | thats not true |
| 22:16.55 | karl_w_w | skinning works fine! |
| 22:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | there's a few that work well |
| 22:16.59 | Xyphoid | inscription is funky because glyphs are funky |
| 22:17.04 | Mr_Rabies | i think they need a total overhaul |
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| 22:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | i think every crafting profession should just include the necessary gathering one as part of it |
| 22:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | or at least the primary one for the majority of mats |
| 22:17.34 | Xyphoid | i kind of like professions being wonky and broken and uneven |
| 22:17.43 | karl_w_w | not every prof has a gathering profession |
| 22:17.45 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. engineering would get mining, even if you need the occasional leather, gem, etc |
| 22:17.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's fine, karl_w_w |
| 22:17.58 | karl_w_w | tailoring and enchanting for example |
| 22:18.10 | Mr_Rabies | tailoring already includes its gathering profession |
| 22:18.18 | Mr_Rabies | the thing that gives you more cloth from humanoids |
| 22:18.25 | karl_w_w | what, looting mobs? :P |
| 22:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | and same with enchanting (though the whole party gets to use it) |
| 22:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it's called uh |
| 22:18.44 | karl_w_w | disenchanting isnt a gathering profession |
| 22:18.52 | karl_w_w | just like milling isnt |
| 22:19.00 | karl_w_w | herbalism is a gathering profession |
| 22:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | i know |
| 22:19.39 | Xyphoid | it's all the uneven, weird edges of professions that can make them profitable |
| 22:19.40 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: the thing that gives you more cloth from humanoids << scrapped after Wrath |
| 22:19.45 | Mr_Rabies | not true |
| 22:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | i still have it on mine, and get cloth from other peoples' drops on my tailor all the time |
| 22:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | the description only says northrend mobs as of 4.2 at least, but i get extra cloth from humanoids |
| 22:20.49 | foxlit | okay, so just misleading |
| 22:21.03 | Mr_Rabies | checking for 4.3 |
| 22:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | karl_w_w: i'm saying gathering professions should be removed and included as part of crafting professions |
| 22:21.23 | karl_w_w | but still, that doesnt make it a gathering prof, it just improves your gathering slightly |
| 22:21.39 | Mr_Rabies | so every profession can gather the majority of its mats by itself |
| 22:21.55 | karl_w_w | i dont see how that could really work |
| 22:22.12 | karl_w_w | unless the literally did start again |
| 22:22.17 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=59390#comments |
| 22:22.27 | karl_w_w | they'd probably have to lose a couple of profs as well |
| 22:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i think they need karl_w_w, they're antiquated |
| 22:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | everything else has had some nice overhauls, but professions are still pretty much the same broken mess as launch |
| 22:23.00 | foxlit | hey, now, the crafting/gathering trade off might be interesting |
| 22:23.13 | foxlit | You could get two crafting professions and enjoy two types of fat epics. |
| 22:23.23 | foxlit | But then you'd have to find your mats elsewhere. |
| 22:23.39 | foxlit | That choice isn't necessarily a bad thing that has to be removed. |
| 22:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | i think it'd be better with it removed, and crafting-type professions should be the only professions |
| 22:24.32 | karl_w_w | LOL |
| 22:24.37 | Xyphoid | why have professions at all really |
| 22:24.41 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-calculator#e! |
| 22:24.48 | Mr_Rabies | honestly at this point i almost agree Xyphoid |
| 22:25.06 | karl_w_w | i love that the level 90 tier is something somebody said in the thread as a terrible example |
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| 22:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much just use them to make stuff for myself nowadays, anything else is a waste of time and gold |
| 22:25.28 | Xyphoid | i think the answer is that they're a separate system for players to do stuff with |
| 22:25.58 | Xyphoid | and i think the game needs more of those as it is - so having professions being messy and complicated is good |
| 22:26.03 | Xyphoid | after all they're totally optional |
| 22:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | they're definitely the roughest, most broken part of wow now |
| 22:27.20 | Mr_Rabies | class balancing is better than it has ever been, raiding is honed to an art with 3 difficulty levels, each class has a unique play style, and many have completely different play styles between specs |
| 22:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | but professions are still as broken as they ever have been if not worse off |
| 22:28.00 | Xyphoid | i just don't think they're *broken* |
| 22:28.09 | olafski | mr_rabies: doesn't the "extra cloth from tailoring" only apply to northrend? |
| 22:28.15 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 22:28.19 | olafski | hmm |
| 22:28.22 | Mr_Rabies | it says so in the tooltip, but that's not true |
| 22:28.23 | nebula169 | "honed to an art" lol |
| 22:29.35 | foxlit | one of the difficulty levels is called "Drooling corpse" |
| 22:30.01 | Mr_Rabies | it really is, all the cata raids have had unique fights with fewer bugs than in the past by far, and they're fun |
| 22:30.16 | Mr_Rabies | exception being ragnaros, that fight ceases to be fun as soon as it's on farm |
| 22:30.54 | Mr_Rabies | part of the difficulty of LFR is dealing with the swarms of trolls plaguing it foxlit :p |
| 22:31.07 | karl_w_w | if only there wasnt so little of it |
| 22:31.23 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't killed anything in fall of deathwing on LFR because trolls keep killing us |
| 22:32.03 | karl_w_w | i honestly dont know how they've managed to get 15 bosses into 2 raid tiers |
| 22:32.24 | karl_w_w | in the past that would've been 1 tier |
| 22:32.36 | mckenziemc | but the fights would've been simpler no? |
| 22:32.46 | foxlit | karl_w_w: colosseum says hi. |
| 22:33.07 | nebula169 | toc the filler patch that ruined everything! |
| 22:33.09 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i really like that raids can be cleared in a night once it's on farm |
| 22:33.13 | foxlit | hey, I liked toc. |
| 22:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | and many fights are totally different on heroic versus normal |
| 22:33.30 | foxlit | Except heroic anub. Oh the incompetence of many, including me. |
| 22:33.33 | nebula169 | ment moreso all the item scaling issues they ran into because of it |
| 22:33.34 | karl_w_w | ulduar had 14, and i wouldnt call them simpler |
| 22:33.52 | Mr_Rabies | ulduar seems like it would have been hell to learn |
| 22:34.03 | Mr_Rabies | unless there are fights that are just there to fill space |
| 22:34.04 | nebula169 | ulduar was amazing |
| 22:34.16 | karl_w_w | icc had 13 and they werent simpler either |
| 22:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | i was on hiatus until may of last year, after the ZA patch in tbc came out |
| 22:34.49 | Mr_Rabies | icc is definitely simpler until lich king |
| 22:35.02 | Xyphoid | learning icc on easy mode with 10 local bads one night a week was lovely. |
| 22:35.05 | karl_w_w | than firelands or dragon soul? |
| 22:35.12 | karl_w_w | nah about the same surely |
| 22:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | pre-nerf firelands, yeah |
| 22:35.30 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 22:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | i guess that's not a fair comparison |
| 22:35.34 | nebula169 | bt with simple, you can actually tune it, instead of doing crazy new things they letting idiots experience it by making the crazy new things mean nothing |
| 22:35.40 | nebula169 | but with* |
| 22:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | since i only saw ICC after 30% was a thing |
| 22:35.41 | foxlit | You know what's horrible? Game sound |
| 22:35.49 | karl_w_w | and ulduar didnt have filler bosses, other than razorscale I guess |
| 22:36.02 | Mr_Rabies | my favorite instance until cata was BWL |
| 22:36.13 | Mr_Rabies | BWD replaced it, and then Firelands minus a few fights |
| 22:36.49 | karl_w_w | also, what foxlit said |
| 22:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for them to do what they did with BWL again but i know it'd be a huge disaster |
| 22:37.14 | karl_w_w | whens the last time game sound was improved? start of wrath? |
| 22:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | release an untested raid to the public and see what happens |
| 22:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be a total shitstorm i'm sure, but i just wanna see |
| 22:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | BWL was buggy as absolute hell for about a year |
| 22:38.21 | Mr_Rabies | nothing like vaelstrasz suddenly turning against you and attacking you during the razorgore fight |
| 22:38.36 | Mr_Rabies | or razorgore just suddenly exploding for no reason |
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| 22:38.44 | karl_w_w | sounds fun |
| 22:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | that's really the only part of vanilla nostalgia i have |
| 22:40.02 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think they should return to it, but i look back on how fun BWL was despite its huge gamebreaking bugs |
| 22:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it was fun because i was actually able to get feral gear for once in there :P |
| 22:41.37 | foxlit | aq40 > bwl :) |
| 22:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | i absolutely hated AQ40 |
| 22:41.54 | Mr_Rabies | it made me quit raiding until TBC |
| 22:42.11 | Mr_Rabies | our guild exploded like you wouldn't believe on twin emps |
| 22:42.27 | Arrowmaster | id love to see some of the current guilds try bwl at level 60 on a classic version of the game |
| 22:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty sure people on level 60-cap private servers can still feel shockwaves from the explosion |
| 22:43.04 | Mr_Rabies | that's how big our guild exploded |
| 22:43.48 | Xyphoid | i actually think you'd see current guilds kick the hell out of older raids given current processes |
| 22:44.06 | Mr_Rabies | honestly they probably wouldn't have many problems except for how broken some classes were at the time, Arrowmaster |
| 22:44.07 | Xyphoid | there's so much more info and tools available for analysing encounters and performance now |
| 22:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | the fights until late tbc were all pretty simple |
| 22:44.37 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: specifically id like to see them try to manage threat |
| 22:44.51 | Mr_Rabies | other than ridiculous mechanics seemingly designed to be annoying |
| 22:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | here's how to manage threat: bring 30 hunters |
| 22:45.58 | Mr_Rabies | raiding became a lot more about personal skill and a lot less about gearing up about halfway through tbc |
| 22:46.19 | foxlit | teehee, personal skill. C'Thun! |
| 22:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | c'thun didn't really rely on personal skill as much as it heavily punished raids with unskilled members |
| 22:48.03 | foxlit | excuse me, but what's the difference? |
| 22:48.19 | foxlit | Can you even rely on personal skill and don't punish raids with unskilled members? |
| 22:48.47 | Xyphoid | well, a lot of older fights you had some important jobs and then a bunch of your raid could stand there and dps or heal or whatever |
| 22:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | it did rely on personal skill but it was more about making you hate those without skill, is what i mean |
| 22:49.35 | Mr_Rabies | if you had a guy that wasn't pulling his own, no matter how nice you and the raid were, you'd kick him so hard he'd probably quit playing wow from the drama |
| 22:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's what Twin Emps and C'thun did |
| 22:50.13 | Xyphoid | i know when i first hit 60 i went on aq20 and za runs and stood there with 1 fps targetting the tank and pressing rejuve |
| 22:50.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah in mc i basically just targeted the tank and spammed healing touch every GCD without moving |
| 22:51.01 | Mr_Rabies | spamming decursive like mad on some fights, and innervating priests |
| 22:51.01 | Xyphoid | since i was feral, in retrospect i was probably clobbering the rejuve from the resto druids and achieving net negative things |
| 22:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i was feral too but druids were healbots |
| 22:51.28 | Mr_Rabies | there was only one raid guild on my server at the time and they were HUGE |
| 22:52.02 | Mr_Rabies | i joined them and left within a month or so because of how terrible they were |
| 22:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | the only decent people were some of the druids, everyone else was a jerk |
| 22:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | the druids that would join me in lavasealing were the only cool ones |
| 22:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | i really, really don't miss classic raiding, but i thought BWL was a hell of a lot more fun than anything i ran until BWD |
| 22:55.30 | Mr_Rabies | note: i missed most of Naxx40, ZA, SSC, the Eye, BT, Naxx10, OS, EoE, ulduar, and ToC at appropriate gear levels |
| 22:56.12 | Mr_Rabies | oh and sunwell plateau |
| 22:56.51 | Arrowmaster | i missed aq40 and naxx40 but did everything else upto patch 3.1, BWL was still one of the best |
| 22:57.54 | Xyphoid | kara at appropriate levels was pretty good |
| 22:58.06 | Arrowmaster | no it wasnt |
| 22:58.12 | Arrowmaster | it had way too much trash |
| 22:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | it did have way too much trash but it had some unique and fun fights |
| 22:59.03 | Arrowmaster | they felt too gimicky to me |
| 22:59.20 | Xyphoid | i liked the multiple routes and side door and stuff |
| 22:59.29 | Mr_Rabies | you can tell when they design an instance's layout based on designed boss fights or the other way around based on the amount of trash generally |
| 22:59.32 | Xyphoid | single-route dungeons are ass |
| 22:59.56 | Arrowmaster | there wasnt really multiple routes in kara |
| 23:00.05 | Arrowmaster | you could just skip a few things |
| 23:00.08 | Xyphoid | oh sure there's an optimal route for clearing it |
| 23:00.14 | Mr_Rabies | lots of trash after tbc = need to fill space in this big area we've designed oh godddd |
| 23:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise they wind up with naxx10, which was depressing |
| 23:00.25 | Xyphoid | but you could go one way or another and have more or less trash |
| 23:00.33 | Mr_Rabies | one group of trash in a huge room |
| 23:00.48 | Mr_Rabies | one dude at the end of a looooooong hallway with no trash |
| 23:01.17 | Mr_Rabies | i felt sorry for the mobs in Naxx10 after going there in 3.3 |
| 23:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | everyone seems to lonely after they removed well over half the trash from Naxx40 |
| 23:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | so lonely* |
| 23:01.59 | Arrowmaster | biggest disappointment of new naxx, patchwork resets if you pull him to the entrance |
| 23:02.25 | Mr_Rabies | most awesome thing of naxx: halloween box pet eats mr. biggleworth |
| 23:02.33 | Mr_Rabies | bigglesworth |
| 23:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's almost as good as ALL HAIL THE CHAMPION OF THE RING OF BLOOD, SEARING TOTEM |
| 23:11.11 | tem | do you just... not get saved to heroics anymore? |
| 23:11.29 | mckenziemc | only if you don't read patch notes |
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| 23:11.48 | mckenziemc | randoms don't save you anymore |
| 23:12.34 | tem | I just queued specifically for hour of twilight |
| 23:12.39 | tem | and I'm still not saved |
| 23:12.54 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 23:13.05 | tem | did 2 bosses |
| 23:13.12 | tem | the thing I wanted didn't drop |
| 23:13.13 | tem | so I left |
| 23:13.17 | tem | and now I can queue for it again |
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| 23:14.08 | foxlit | that's more like it, Raid Finder. |
| 23:14.12 | foxlit | no gear I can use on two bosses. |
| 23:14.22 | foxlit | authentic raiding experience right there :) |
| 23:14.32 | karl_w_w | rogues are going to be untouchable at this rate in mists |
| 23:14.33 | tem | I'm so incredibly disappointed in the itemization this teir |
| 23:14.57 | tem | almost all of the vp tank items are parry/expertise |
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| 23:16.54 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.01 | mckenziemc | hey bluspacecow |
| 23:17.06 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 23:18.35 | Cairenn | *snark!* https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=324099377619522&set=a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349&type=1&theater |
| 23:20.11 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657433947#16 I see the ability to spell or punctuate isn't a requirement for being an MVP |
| 23:22.31 | nicoli_s | well they let sixen be a MVP :P |
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| 23:23.11 | bluspacecow | Hey ! Be nice ! |
| 23:23.25 | bluspacecow | it was hard enough to get him to post in paragraphs with capitals :\ |
| 23:23.52 | bluspacecow | but i'll mention it to him :) |
| 23:24.30 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: that is nice for us |
| 23:25.08 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 23:27.03 | karl_w_w | how awesome does the priest mop talent tree look |
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| 23:38.43 | Arrowmaster | all the talent trees look like shit |
| 23:38.52 | Sixen | Omegal is a Mac Tech MVP, not a Community/Gameplay MVP |
| 23:38.56 | Sixen | So don't criticize him :P |
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| 23:41.30 | Fisker | i'm in love with you Sixen |
| 23:42.15 | bluspacecow | And again. His posting style was a lot worse… that's an actual improvement |
| 23:42.27 | bluspacecow | like walls of text with no returns bad |
| 23:42.43 | bluspacecow | Also http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/icwhutudidtherep1.gif |
| 23:43.25 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:46.16 | jnwhiteh | pedicure on my toes.. toes. |
| 23:49.41 | karl_w_w | that's where pedicures tend to go :P |
| 23:53.52 | bluspacecow | you have toes on your toes ? |
| 23:53.54 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.13 | bluspacecow | …….. |
| 23:54.15 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 23:54.24 | bluspacecow | left D3 open all night and I'm still logged in |
| 23:54.34 | bluspacecow | on the toon select screen of course |
| 23:54.44 | bluspacecow | oh now it d/ces me |
| 23:54.48 | Stanzilla | you don't get logged out of the actual game either |
| 23:54.55 | Stanzilla | I was logged in for 8 hours once |
