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| 00:14.02 | mikma | Batman works pretty damn fine, has crashed about 15 times on me already in 9 hours |
| 00:15.02 | mikma | 16 |
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| 00:43.55 | Stanzilla | hello Fisker |
| 00:44.04 | Fisker | hello Stanzilla |
| 00:44.31 | Stanzilla | Fisker: do you still love me? |
| 00:44.38 | Fisker | yup? |
| 00:44.45 | Stanzilla | fine fine |
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| 00:56.33 | Stanzilla | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LcnIIVYSuLM did you see that one? |
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| 01:28.06 | Fisker | yes Stanzilla |
| 01:28.08 | Fisker | also old and shit |
| 01:28.28 | Stanzilla | Fisker: why shit |
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| 01:40.22 | Mr_Rabies | it looks way better without the filter |
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| 02:24.49 | Trela | Where did the button go to submit a GM ticket? '.' |
| 02:25.34 | amro | ask a GM |
| 02:25.49 | Trela | >.> |
| 02:25.50 | Trela | Ha ha. |
| 02:25.58 | Trela | Found it any way, have to open the escape menu. |
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| 07:09.03 | Arrowmaster | i just watched The Thing 2011 and im wtf'ing at the ending |
| 07:09.15 | Arrowmaster | its just wrong |
| 07:09.39 | Arrowmaster | it cant match up with the beginning of the original at all, its fucking impossible with that ending |
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| 07:24.29 | Arrowmaster | oh theres more after the credits start |
| 07:26.30 | Arrowmaster | but it still doesnt make any sense of why its there there other than to try to connect with the 1982 version |
| 07:41.31 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: you only wtf'd at the end? |
| 07:41.36 | airtonix | is that all? |
| 07:41.38 | airtonix | i mean wtf |
| 07:43.49 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 07:44.15 | Dagmar | I'd really hoped Bioware had actually written some code instead of just licencing the Champions/StarTrek code |
| 07:44.16 | Arrowmaster | well that was the point i majorly wtf'd |
| 07:44.43 | Arrowmaster | other points i was like 'shes figured this out way too quickly and easily' |
| 07:45.06 | airtonix | Dagmar: star wars crap? |
| 07:45.06 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: how bad is it? |
| 07:45.07 | Dagmar | They've not gotten simple locomotion animations working properly yet, and they're releasing? Heh. Good luck with that |
| 07:45.32 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's suitable for fanboys and not much else |
| 07:45.44 | airtonix | should do well then |
| 07:45.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i know my highschool buddy at bioware wrote code for it but it was internal tools code |
| 07:46.00 | Dagmar | Screenshots will look better than the game because the animation is crap |
| 07:46.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Looking at it it is definitely the same stuff shipped out in Champions and STO |
| 07:46.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: like so bad that even walking/running animations are so badly off that the characters glide across the ground, bad? |
| 07:46.51 | Dagmar | ...which means that the bugs that are there now will probably still be there come summertime or lopnger |
| 07:47.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Specifcally gliding around, yes |
| 07:47.13 | nevcairiel | my character walks just fine |
| 07:47.33 | Dagmar | If you loot, and then start moving again before the looting animation nas ended with you standing back up, your running animation gets replaced with a pose from the crouching |
| 07:47.57 | Arrowmaster | thats the worst kinda animation problem because it completely destroys the immersion |
| 07:48.15 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: wow had that bug too |
| 07:48.15 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 07:48.22 | nevcairiel | the running animation seems fine to me |
| 07:48.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: In WoW it was a rarity |
| 07:48.40 | Dagmar | Of the last two hours I was gliding most of the time |
| 07:48.41 | Arrowmaster | in wow it was directly related to lag |
| 07:49.53 | Dagmar | I dont' even wanna reinstall Champions to compare the human face models |
| 07:50.26 | Dagmar | The humans look out of place compared to the accuracy involved in the Star Wars-specific alien models |
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| 08:17.05 | Cairenn | Night all |
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| 09:28.44 | Fisker | i killed you bluspacecow |
| 09:28.46 | Fisker | i watched you die |
| 09:28.50 | mikma | https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/immediately-ban-deadly-videogame-known-skyrim-safety-americas-youths/YmY1bLQ5 |
| 09:29.01 | Fisker | deymad |
| 09:29.27 | bluspacecow | so did i die like a blood elf ? |
| 09:29.30 | bluspacecow | or like a gnome ? |
| 09:29.56 | bluspacecow | or did i leap 10 feet in the air and scatter myself over a wide area ? |
| 09:31.06 | Fisker | idk bluspacecow |
| 09:31.07 | Fisker | do you? |
| 09:31.43 | bluspacecow | i like the third optiona |
| 09:31.51 | bluspacecow | all incendidery bomb thing |
| 09:32.39 | haste | mikma: by blizzard! |
| 09:33.36 | mikma | haste: haha |
| 09:35.42 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:36.04 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 09:36.09 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 09:36.09 | bluspacecow | it lists their names |
| 09:36.14 | Fisker | you have been ceased and desisted |
| 09:36.15 | bluspacecow | "Boner B" |
| 09:36.17 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 09:36.19 | Fisker | mad? |
| 09:36.27 | bluspacecow | naw |
| 09:36.30 | bluspacecow | i sexy! |
| 09:36.31 | Fisker | We the people |
| 09:36.32 | Fisker | Boner B |
| 09:36.37 | Fisker | Butts D |
| 09:36.39 | Fisker | etc. |
| 09:36.49 | bluspacecow | Stormageddon |
| 09:37.01 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 09:37.10 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:37.12 | Fisker | my package? |
| 09:37.34 | Fisker | i hate it when everyone plays angry birds |
| 09:43.16 | airtonix | Adys: i can't get pyside installed with pip |
| 09:44.49 | mckenziemc | maybe you should kill yourself |
| 09:50.36 | airtonix | mckenziemc: i think i'll cycle over to your mums house instead |
| 09:51.03 | mckenziemc | that might be a good idea too |
| 09:51.58 | airtonix | googlemaps : from : here, to : mckenziemcs mums house. 1. sydeny harbour 2. kyak across the pacific ocean 3. ??? 4. profit |
| 09:54.01 | airtonix | mikma: lol@4 |
| 09:57.34 | Fisker | i once killed a guy airtonix |
| 09:59.08 | mikma | in minecraft? |
| 09:59.56 | karl_w_w | if i did a couple of firelands bosses on heroic can i then join another group to do normal rag? |
| 10:00.05 | karl_w_w | or am i locked to that heroic group |
| 10:03.32 | Adys | airtonix: do not install it with pip then |
| 10:03.42 | Adys | pyside.org |
| 10:03.44 | Adys | it has packages |
| 10:03.55 | airtonix | Adys: then it means i can't use it in a virtualenv in any practica way |
| 10:04.13 | airtonix | also spending twelve years compiling it isn't practical |
| 10:04.36 | airtonix | make it easy for me |
| 10:04.42 | Adys | huh? |
| 10:04.44 | airtonix | because i'm a mac user |
| 10:04.53 | Adys | ah) |
| 10:04.56 | Adys | dunno then |
| 10:05.11 | airtonix | also pyside ppa is not updated fully for 11.10 |
| 10:05.18 | airtonix | missing pyside-assistant |
| 10:05.53 | Adys | bring it up with the #pyside guys |
| 10:08.03 | airtonix | also Adys, do you have a boilerplate template lying around for starting a pyside application? |
| 10:08.11 | Adys | sure |
| 10:08.13 | airtonix | something i can put in ~/Templates |
| 10:08.56 | Adys | airtonix: http://dedimine.com/public/pyside-template/ |
| 10:09.07 | airtonix | cheers |
| 10:12.39 | Jamash | I like how the swtor launcher is so poorly designed it uses batch files |
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| 10:13.22 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 10:14.42 | Jamash | and then (this is the good part) tries to launch them using the default associated program |
| 10:14.47 | Jamash | which is my text editor |
| 10:15.15 | Adys | ugh |
| 10:15.21 | Jamash | maybe I should set it to run in compatibility mode for dos 6.22 |
| 10:16.24 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 10:17.04 | airtonix | Jamash: you should submit that as a fix on the forums |
| 10:17.09 | Jamash | inorite] |
| 10:17.26 | airtonix | if only they had a git repo you could push merge requests |
| 10:18.12 | airtonix | they probably still use zip files and directory names as their version control |
| 10:18.32 | mckenziemc | skins airtonix |
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| 10:20.19 | Jamash | I'd post about it on their forums, but, well, you know |
| 10:21.16 | Adys | airtonix: linux had that as vc long enough |
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| 10:31.50 | mikma | http://youtu.be/sJVQJ4-n_cA?hd=1 |
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| 10:40.09 | mckenziemc | hey blu |
| 10:40.15 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 10:41.11 | mikma | http://www.fxitech.com/products/ |
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| 11:06.26 | Industrial | http://i.imgur.com/liL23.png |
| 11:06.30 | Industrial | anyone get this? |
| 11:07.59 | Elkano | id, nope... but I'll have to wait 6 more hours anyways :/ |
| 11:08.36 | Industrial | hm just looked in my mail |
| 11:08.38 | Industrial | me aswell :\ |
| 11:15.29 | Maldivia | Industrial: working fine foe mt |
| 11:15.31 | Maldivia | for me* |
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| 11:26.31 | bluspacecow | HMM |
| 11:26.33 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 11:26.41 | bluspacecow | i would try a DNS flush as well as router reset |
| 11:27.02 | bluspacecow | that sounds like it's trying to access some server but can't ... i would also check ports and logs if swtor has em |
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| 11:58.44 | airtonix | Adys: how do i tell if my wine prefix is 64bit or 32bit? |
| 11:59.33 | Adys | airtonix: check for drive_c/Program Files (x86) |
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| 12:01.29 | bluspacecow | the above would be the syntax for 32 bit programs to live under IIRC |
| 12:05.28 | airtonix | Adys: it won't let me create a 64bit prefix and any prefix i create without WINEARCH=win64 doesn't have a Program Files (x86) |
| 12:05.57 | Adys | You need to have wine compiled with win64 support |
| 12:06.58 | airtonix | fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 12:07.50 | airtonix | even if my OS is 64bit by default? |
| 12:07.57 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:16.17 | karl_w_w | if you can dodge engulfing flames you can dodge a ball |
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| 12:21.16 | Industrial | if you cant dodge a ball you need to learn to control your body first, then your mouse. |
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| 14:16.53 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:17.19 | bluspacecow | STATION |
| 14:30.13 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv t minus 21 minutes till launch |
| 14:30.39 | Lunessa | Launch of the Mars mission? |
| 14:31.28 | pompy | i think so |
| 14:31.29 | pompy | SPPPPAAAAAAACCCCEEEEE |
| 14:33.31 | pompy | this is the launch of the last mars laboratory rover |
| 14:34.34 | Lunessa | Yeah, I know. trying to get it up on Campus monitors right now. |
| 14:37.36 | Lunessa | bah… our subscription TV service isn't carrying the launch. And… I can't plug the UStream into the monitors. So I'll just watch it on my PC. |
| 14:39.35 | pompy | odd CNN oe MSNBC doesnt have it on right now, unless they go to it last minute |
| 14:42.38 | Lunessa | We used to carry the NASA stream 24/7 especially since this university was established in the 70s to provide a local uni for NASA's Johnson Space Center employees. I mean, FFS they're across the frelling street. |
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| 14:45.17 | pompy | go outside then! |
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| 14:45.58 | Lunessa | the launch is in florida, I'm in texas |
| 14:52.01 | karl_w_w | omg it's on fire! |
| 14:54.48 | karl_w_w | there's a quicktime stream Lunessa |
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| 14:54.59 | karl_w_w | idk if it works cos i dont have quicktime |
| 14:55.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.nasa.gov/qtl/151335main_NASA_TV_QT.qtl |
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| 15:01.42 | pompy | 30 seconds |
| 15:08.01 | pompy | 13,700 mph 107 miles up |
| 15:08.39 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: I've been watching it on my PC… In Full Screen right from the NASA feed. I just wanted to put it on the 47" instead of my 27" |
| 15:09.04 | Lunessa | It was glorious. |
| 15:10.29 | karl_w_w | that's not how you pronounce antigua |
| 15:11.03 | pompy | 15k mph right now, nice |
| 15:11.56 | amro | that's going to be one hell of a ticket |
| 15:12.22 | Lunessa | I kept wanting the screen to turn black - my mind insisted that "space is black" - but as long as we were looking through ground-based cameras it was going to be blue. |
| 15:12.55 | amro | no sir, space is an equal opportunity employer |
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| 15:13.14 | Lunessa | more like equal opportunity destroyer! |
| 15:13.21 | pompy | lol |
| 15:14.04 | amro | am I the only one who's trying to fast forward? |
| 15:15.41 | Lunessa | 8 months worth? |
| 15:15.46 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 15:16.32 | olafski | are they finally sending people to mars? |
| 15:16.38 | Lunessa | No. |
| 15:16.44 | amro | mars curse still in effect |
| 15:16.48 | olafski | boring :( |
| 15:16.53 | amro | nobody's crazy enough to go |
| 15:17.00 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQ1JlLfLwg ! |
| 15:17.01 | Lunessa | This was the robotic laboratory "Curiosity" |
| 15:17.07 | Lunessa | I'd go. |
| 15:17.15 | Lunessa | In a hot second. |
| 15:17.24 | amro | in fact, statistically, doesn't this have like a 50-50 chance of not failing? I forgot the stats |
| 15:17.47 | karl_w_w | i think deep down people still think that the martians wont show themselves until real people turn up, and they dont want to get eaten |
| 15:18.31 | pompy | 354 million miles it has to go! |
| 15:18.46 | amro | that's a lot of oil changes |
| 15:18.59 | Lunessa | I'd probably crack up (further) along the way to Mars, but I'd go. |
| 15:19.56 | amro | so far there's no reason to go |
| 15:20.37 | Lunessa | I'd go to build the facility to make fuel and air for the guys who would come after me. |
| 15:20.58 | amro | I'd go just to bounce around and send postcards back home |
| 15:21.45 | amro | and I'd make sure to take a roll of duct tape with me so we don't get a repeat of doom3 |
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| 15:24.00 | Lunessa | Good morning Iriel. Up early to login to SW:TOR? |
| 15:25.12 | Iriel | I'm not sure why i'm up early, likely I just woke up when my alarm would usually go off. |
| 15:25.26 | Iriel | But I did figure out i'd get my wow dailies done before SW:TOR goes online |
| 15:25.27 | Lunessa | Habits, they'll get you every time. |
| 15:25.28 | Iriel | just in case |
| 15:25.52 | Lunessa | And in case anyone started a pool, I'm not hung over. |
| 15:28.05 | Iriel | I think you were the only one who was suggesting a pool |
| 15:30.06 | Lunessa | Well, you know… there's always money to be made in betting. (If you're the house). |
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| 15:50.00 | karl_w_w | from the ustream chat |
| 15:50.10 | karl_w_w | 11:47 Deithrian: What will happen to the engine? o_o 11:47 mariokiller64: explodes 11:47 Hello_Universe: It will probably explode 11:47 blahagun: it would have been a lot more exciting if there were people on it |
| 15:51.33 | Lunessa | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595670993?page=1#8 |
| 15:52.26 | karl_w_w | that doesnt make much sense |
| 15:53.00 | Lunessa | It's a parody of this. http://www.youtube.com/user/OldSpice#p/c/B9F260CE56D04E73/4/3R2cnxz27LI |
| 15:53.50 | Arrowmaster | i would join you if i started playing wow again but your alliance |
| 15:54.07 | Lunessa | All I'm hearing are excuses. |
| 15:55.47 | karl_w_w | whats wrong with alliance |
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| 15:56.11 | Arrowmaster | my warlock has been an orc since day one and will always be an orc |
| 15:56.20 | Iriel | So play a different class |
| 15:56.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, level a new toon. We make the experience pretty painless. :) |
| 15:56.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah but what to play |
| 15:58.28 | Iriel | Druid? |
| 15:58.59 | Lunessa | Hrm, we could use some more tanks. But if that doesn't excite you, we could use another reliable healer. And failing that… Well, we could use a 'lock. |
| 15:59.10 | Iriel | I basically asked "what do you have fewer of" - and prayed it wasn't paladin |
| 15:59.48 | Lunessa | We're looking for people to help fill out the "Classy" achievements too. |
| 16:01.08 | Arrowmaster | the what achievements? |
| 16:01.43 | Lunessa | The ones where you get a race/class combo to 85 and honored with the guild rep. |
| 16:02.20 | Lunessa | The only one we've finished so far is "Classy Gnomes" |
| 16:03.13 | Lunessa | Getting "Stay Classy" unlocks the 8th guild bank tab. |
| 16:08.06 | Iriel | Lunessa: Queues on some, but not all realms |
| 16:08.22 | Lunessa | I am shocked. SHOCKED! |
| 16:08.46 | Iriel | Lunessa: approx 8 mins of cinematics so far |
| 16:09.08 | Lunessa | For starting that's not so bad. |
| 16:09.14 | Arrowmaster | swtor? |
| 16:09.19 | Lunessa | Also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV397Ov-w4s - BAM! |
| 16:11.50 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 16:11.53 | Iriel | Lunessa: they're still going |
| 16:12.21 | Lunessa | So, it's more movie than game? |
| 16:12.31 | Arrowmaster | dagmar complained lastnight that it looked like they had licensed the champions/startrek tech instead of coding their own game and that the animations were all horrible |
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| 16:14.18 | nevcairiel | And i didn't agree with his assessment, animations dont seem bad to me |
| 16:14.52 | Xinhuan | so is it worth playing? |
| 16:15.30 | bluspacecow_ | Canasta ? oh definately |
| 16:16.20 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: visually I completely agree with the similaritie to champions/ST |
| 16:16.24 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: now in game yet |
| 16:16.30 | Iriel | Not, even |
| 16:16.34 | Iriel | in char create tho |
| 16:16.35 | amro | am I the only one parsing that as an incomplete ternary op? |
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| 16:16.53 | Stanzilla | if the game would stop crashing on me all the time, I could actually play :o |
| 16:17.00 | nevcairiel | your PC just sucks Stanzilla |
| 16:17.16 | amro | if you would stop playing Stanzilla, the game wouldn't crash |
| 16:17.16 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: yes and it runs all the other games quite well :D |
| 16:17.20 | amro | logic. use it! |
| 16:17.24 | Stanzilla | daaaang |
| 16:17.41 | amro | inorite |
| 16:19.16 | nevcairiel | I dunno about worth playing yet, it seemed fun for a while, but now i'm on coruscant and its soo much walking, damn big city. :p |
| 16:19.50 | Xinhuan | from videos, the environments look bland |
| 16:21.05 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: level? |
| 16:21.13 | nevcairiel | 12 |
| 16:21.20 | Stanzilla | I'm 9 now |
| 16:21.52 | nevcairiel | as with all games, it would probably be more fun with 2 or 3 people instead of doing everything alone |
| 16:22.53 | Iriel | Hm, this is Jennifer Hale doing the female cyborg voice |
| 16:23.35 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i found a protocol droid that had c3po's voice |
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| 16:28.35 | bluspacecow_ | @nev yes i can imagine that an entire world that's basically one big city can get tiresome after a while |
| 16:28.56 | Arrowmaster | isnt that what D&DO was |
| 16:32.30 | bluspacecow_ | dunno haven't had experience in what that is :) |
| 16:33.09 | airtonix | let me know if the travel to other planets is just a cutscene or it's a seamless no load screens step into a transporter and walkaround the transporter till end of trip |
| 16:33.13 | bluspacecow_ | isn't coruscant meant to be a city world ? ie a planet that has a city covering every square inch of it ? |
| 16:33.26 | airtonix | otherwise star wars can lick my bowls |
| 16:33.44 | bluspacecow_ | could be worse |
| 16:33.47 | nevcairiel | airtonix: if you take a shuttle, its just a loading screen |
| 16:33.57 | bluspacecow_ | they could be requiring you to spend limited energy to drive the engines |
| 16:34.05 | airtonix | they don't? |
| 16:34.07 | airtonix | that sucks |
| 16:34.46 | airtonix | i wan't to assasinate other passengers en'route to my destination |
| 16:36.34 | airtonix | but i suppose mmo just means : spend money: monthly, do: boring shit |
| 16:43.51 | Lunessa | DO spend_money UNTIL customer_quits |
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| 16:52.31 | Arrowmaster | you arent going to believe what i found in the bestbuy weekend video game sale items |
| 16:52.41 | Arrowmaster | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Fallout+2+-+Windows/1214141.p?id=1218234913503&skuId=1214141&st=Thanksgiving_Day_Sale_Video_Games_Toys&lp=20&cp=4 |
| 16:53.43 | Xinhuan | i think its on steam sale cheaper |
| 16:53.59 | Arrowmaster | i have the double pack of 1 and 2 already anyway |
| 16:54.00 | pompy | $2 off?! |
| 16:54.02 | Xinhuan | or it was |
| 16:54.23 | Arrowmaster | i was playing 1 before i built my new computer |
| 16:54.44 | Arrowmaster | or maybe it was 2 |
| 16:55.17 | Arrowmaster | had to find fan patches for it just to get it to run |
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| 17:25.18 | Jamash | so the swtor opening cinematic is basically pieces of the movies cut and pasted together and then re-rendered in cg |
| 17:25.40 | Jamash | I detected no trace of originality whatsoever |
| 17:27.41 | Jamash | blah blah han solo expy blah star destroyers blah sith dudes in menacing costumes dual lightsabers blah millennium falcon blah strike me down and I will become blah great disturbance blah sith apprentice kills master the end |
| 17:28.23 | Jamash | I think they should sue themselves for copyright infringement |
| 17:29.01 | Lunessa | I LOL'ed |
| 17:29.09 | Maldivia | it's called history repeating itself |
| 17:29.16 | Jamash | it's not even history! |
| 17:29.20 | Jamash | it's the present repeating itself! |
| 17:30.44 | Jamash | I like how neither galactic technology or fashion changes over a period of thousands of years |
| 17:31.17 | Maldivia | they are too busy fighting eachother |
| 17:31.34 | Jamash | aight sith or... ah who am I kidding |
| 17:31.36 | Jamash | SITH |
| 17:32.54 | Maldivia | so sith is the new horde`? |
| 17:35.11 | Jamash | I dunno, is it? |
| 17:35.51 | Jamash | ah yes the other video where not darth vader and not boba fett invade the jedi temple |
| 17:37.38 | Jamash | wow, the twi'lek racial is to dance |
| 17:37.51 | Jamash | I can't make this seem dumber than it already is |
| 17:42.16 | Arrowmaster | so since i havent even downloaded the beta yet im guessing i should just skip it |
| 17:43.13 | Jamash | dialog box allows super long names, but name cannot exceed 15 characters hurr |
| 17:43.22 | Jamash | oh no you should get it for the lulz |
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| 17:44.21 | nevcairiel | A "hardcore" star wars fanboi will find fault in every inconsistency, of course. Otherwise, its not really all that bad, not sure how long term fun is, seems somewhat repetetive the first few levels |
| 17:45.52 | Arrowmaster | well ive not played any mmo's since wow so its going to have to be fairly good to get me to play it |
| 17:46.14 | Arrowmaster | and before wow the only thing i played for any length of time was Anarchy Online |
| 17:49.13 | nevcairiel | I like the concept of story areas, where some small questing cave gives you a "instance" of sorts, so the story quests are not disrupted by overcrowding |
| 17:49.22 | Jamash | the way I see it, there's no way I'm going to subscribe so I'm going to get my lulz in during beta |
| 17:51.30 | Elkano | using the name Han Solo together with TOR hardly makes sense... he lived thousands of years later |
| 17:54.32 | nevcairiel | there is a cocky smuggler in the video, of course he associates that with han solo. :p |
| 17:56.23 | Lunessa | Is it *really* set that long before the events of the movies? |
| 17:56.34 | Lunessa | Because otherwise Han would be around somewhere. |
| 17:58.04 | Lunessa | But then, Daniel Craig is his Wookie Bitch now. |
| 18:01.44 | nevcairiel | its supposed to play 3.500 years before the first star wars movie, who knows how long their years are, though! |
| 18:01.54 | bluspacecow | well you never know |
| 18:02.13 | bluspacecow | "han solo" could be the name of some legendary hero that the han solo in the last hope was named after |
| 18:02.26 | bluspacecow | just retcon it in there |
| 18:02.32 | bluspacecow | worked for transfomers :D |
| 18:02.41 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 18:03.12 | Arrowmaster | when did they do that in transformers |
| 18:07.21 | Xinhuan | steam sale up! |
| 18:07.30 | Xinhuan | new day |
| 18:07.45 | Maldivia | anything good today? |
| 18:07.55 | Xinhuan | civ 5 is at $10 |
| 18:07.57 | Xinhuan | if you haven't got it |
| 18:08.00 | nicoli_s | ive enjoyed the game so far Arrowmaster |
| 18:08.02 | Xinhuan | witcher2 at $24 |
| 18:08.10 | Xinhuan | and limbo at $2.50 |
| 18:08.15 | Xinhuan | rage at $30 |
| 18:08.16 | Maldivia | have both |
| 18:08.18 | Xinhuan | the rest probably sucks |
| 18:08.24 | nicoli_s | the story is pretty interesting, and they do a good job of having some really difficult story decisions |
| 18:08.59 | Xinhuan | oh isn't today the last day of the autumn sale? |
| 18:08.59 | nicoli_s | and ive enjoyed the combat so far, feels a bit more like an action game than wow to me |
| 18:09.06 | Xinhuan | says Nov 23-27 |
| 18:09.45 | nevcairiel | 27 is tomorrow |
| 18:10.01 | Xinhuan | its 27 here :P |
| 18:10.08 | Xinhuan | anyway, maybe i will buy some of the civ5 DLCs |
| 18:10.12 | Xinhuan | since they are also on sale |
| 18:10.40 | Xinhuan | hmm, $16.71 to buy ALL the civ5 DLCs |
| 18:11.21 | nicoli_s | i need to play civ5 more |
| 18:11.28 | nicoli_s | i bought it to play ckknight and then forgot |
| 18:11.33 | Lunessa | Hasn't all of that been bundled up somewhere I can get it on DVD? |
| 18:11.34 | Xinhuan | ok i guess that's a bit too pricy |
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| 18:21.18 | Vladinator | hey |
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| 18:27.06 | Vladinator | hi cairenn :) |
| 18:27.08 | pompy | WTS nintendo 3ds zelda bundle ;p |
| 18:27.21 | Cairenn | hi Vladinator |
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| 18:30.13 | Fisker | i'll buy it pompy |
| 18:30.14 | Fisker | for free |
| 18:30.20 | pompy | you wish. |
| 18:31.14 | Fisker | not really |
| 18:31.22 | Fisker | if you paid me for it |
| 18:31.25 | Fisker | then i'd wish for it |
| 18:36.22 | Vladinator | is it legal to talk about a bit borderline illegal TOS related blizzard thingy stuff on the IRC here? |
| 18:37.58 | bluspacecow | depends on what it is |
| 18:39.02 | nevcairiel | if you have to ask, then its not |
| 18:39.28 | Arrowmaster | well there some things that are against tos that we do anyway like datamining |
| 18:39.44 | Arrowmaster | so it really does depend |
| 18:39.55 | Vladinator | net traffic redirecting |
| 18:40.21 | Vladinator | of http traffic from blizzard to a custom server :P |
| 18:40.33 | Arrowmaster | for what purpose |
| 18:40.35 | Mr_Rabies | what's legal and what the mods want you to talk about are two different things |
| 18:40.45 | Mr_Rabies | er, don't want you to |
| 18:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | private servers are usually not really a good thing to discuss in here, but you might wanna check with Cairenn or another mod |
| 18:42.46 | Arrowmaster | those are a big no no |
| 18:43.12 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 18:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | anything that violates the terms of service is usually not a good discussion point, as wowinterface is an official fansite |
| 18:44.16 | Vladinator | more specifically; editing hosts file to redirect the ingame support traffic to custom server, proof of concept stuff only |
| 18:44.56 | Cairenn | No |
| 18:45.18 | Vladinator | so I figured :3 |
| 18:45.36 | Maldivia | ok, one thing I know from the swtor testing... Bioware sucks at calculating estimated wait time for queues :P |
| 18:45.36 | Cairenn | I appreciate that you asked, though |
| 18:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | there's plenty of other places for that i'm sure, but here's not really a good one |
| 18:45.47 | Vladinator | better here than making thread about it before asking :P |
| 18:45.48 | Cairenn | [permission] |
| 18:45.53 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 18:46.10 | Mr_Rabies | even if it was okay, i don't think anyone knows anything about it in here anyway :p |
| 18:46.13 | Cairenn | Making a thread would just get it locked and a warning |
| 18:46.14 | Vladinator | but you dont directly edit the game when you edit the hosts tough |
| 18:46.20 | Vladinator | so does it still fall under TOS stuff? |
| 18:46.30 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: yeah we're only mac users in here |
| 18:46.38 | Arrowmaster | i would say it doesnt but i still wouldnt discuss it |
| 18:46.56 | Mr_Rabies | you do have to edit game files to even connect to a private server though |
| 18:47.24 | Maldivia | no you dont |
| 18:47.35 | airtonix | so how bout those dragons |
| 18:47.38 | airtonix | eh |
| 18:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much though, if a moderator says it's not good to discuss it, it's best you listen to them |
| 18:47.41 | airtonix | EH ? |
| 18:47.44 | Vladinator | the game and the HTTP traffic are different things tough |
| 18:48.06 | airtonix | hey Vladinator, umadbro? |
| 18:48.31 | Vladinator | no, just curious if someone else have noticed this and made something useful :P |
| 18:48.36 | Maldivia | Vlad, so basically, you want to show a proof-od-concept of breaking out of the sandbox, by changing the hosts file, so the help topics go to another server than blizzards? |
| 18:48.38 | Mr_Rabies | they have a say in what you can and can't discuss in their channel (and their website) |
| 18:49.13 | Vladinator | yes |
| 18:49.17 | Vladinator | in a nutshell :p |
| 18:49.31 | Vladinator | had some fun making like wowhead browseable trough the game, nothing serious |
| 18:49.32 | airtonix | Vladinator: sounds like you need a mac bro |
| 18:49.39 | mikma | http://youtu.be/ncR2_pnzngM?hd=1 |
| 18:49.53 | Arrowmaster | Vladinator: there was a way to edit the url it used from ingame and somebody did that to make a wowhead like browser ingame but blizz patched it very very quickly |
| 18:50.48 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: changing the OS hosts file (/etc/hosts, C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts) can do the same thing |
| 18:51.03 | Arrowmaster | right |
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| 18:51.34 | Vladinator | I dont really have a good grasp on the blizzard TOS and how much it covers, editing exe and ram I know, but hosts file, hmm |
| 18:51.38 | mikma | cairenn: http://youtu.be/arKpdxjHamI?hd=1 |
| 18:51.47 | Cairenn | Yeah, seen it |
| 18:52.13 | Maldivia | Vlad: well, basically you're changing the service by doing it, so it might be considered a breach |
| 18:52.14 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: it covers intercepting traffic, not specifically hosts file editing |
| 18:52.32 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 18:53.11 | Lunessa | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/were-watching-malls-track-shoppers-cell-phone-signals-to-gather-marketing-data.ars |
| 18:53.26 | Shadowed | I would imagine it's "allowed" in that they aren't going to ban you for editing your hosts file. And if you used it to write a bot anyway, they can already ban you for the bot rather than the hosts file edit. |
| 18:53.32 | mikma | cairenn: what about this one? http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-11/worlds-lightest-material-9999-percent-air |
| 18:53.47 | Cairenn | mikma: neat |
| 18:53.53 | Shadowed | but technically they can ban you for whatever they want anyway |
| 18:53.59 | Shadowed | soo! |
| 18:55.17 | Vladinator | just weird, we shouldnt talk about this yet its not directly against the TOS (considering what Maldivia said is true) |
| 18:56.17 | Shadowed | If you have a working proof of concept, you should send it to someone like Cairenn so it can get forwarded to Blizzard though |
| 18:56.35 | Vladinator | oh |
| 18:56.43 | Vladinator | I asked once long ago, didnt get much attention :p |
| 18:57.06 | Vladinator | tough I feel if it does, they probably just fix it by adding to the TOS :P |
| 18:57.19 | Shadowed | I doubt that |
| 18:57.39 | foxlit | not the interesting sandbox anyway |
| 18:57.43 | Cairenn | Okay, lemme ask this, even though I'm pretty sure I know what response I'll get, whether it's true or not ... |
| 18:57.49 | Vladinator | if someone made a twitter/facebook statups update when you get achievements, they would get on it to fix it I am sure |
| 18:57.49 | Arrowmaster | well theres really nothing blizzard could do other than either switch to HTTPS and make it only work with their cert or put the webserver for it on the same hostname as a login server so editing the hosts file breaking logging in |
| 18:58.09 | foxlit | Probably still around just to prevent addons from accidentially DDOS'ing websites while no one is looking. |
| 18:58.25 | mikma | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/11/expendables-2-poster-exactly-what-youd-f.php |
| 18:58.32 | Cairenn | Are you wanting to talk about this because you want to make Blizz aware of a hole that needs fixing, or are you wanting to be able to take advantage of it for your own private server(s)? |
| 18:59.09 | olafski | vladinator: didn't they already have a twitter for wow thingy? |
| 18:59.37 | Vladinator | Cairenn, I dont consider it a hole, nor a disatvantage. It can be used for good, even on live. |
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| 19:01.21 | Vladinator | sorry for DC |
| 19:01.22 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 19:01.25 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 19:01.30 | Cairenn | bye blu :) |
| 19:01.41 | mikma | wohoo! 21~crashes with 12 hours of Batman 2 |
| 19:01.41 | Vladinator | DCed right after my msg :p |
| 19:02.22 | Vladinator | but Cairenn, I was just curious if someone else had noticed this and made something neat out of it, just for the sake of coding :P |
| 19:03.09 | Cairenn | Vladinator: okay, well, the rule I ask people to follow is that discussion of something as a hypothetical is okay |
| 19:03.33 | Vladinator | I get it |
| 19:03.43 | Vladinator | all I needed to know |
| 19:04.35 | Cairenn | So you're okay |
| 19:04.43 | Cairenn | Just be careful not to step over that fine line |
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| 19:05.14 | Vladinator | I know it's a grayzone thingy |
| 19:05.24 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:05.43 | Cairenn | I would very much appreciate it, though, if you keep the conversation in here and not make a thread on the site about it |
| 19:05.51 | Vladinator | I know |
| 19:05.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:06.18 | Vladinator | had no plans to make thread really :) |
| 19:06.30 | foxlit | "I know" << too much, and now must perish. |
| 19:06.34 | nicoli_s | can you acces the data from that site via lua? |
| 19:06.41 | Vladinator | in theory yes |
| 19:06.50 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 19:07.06 | Vladinator | you can query the knowledge base by searching, so the server can receive data from you that way |
| 19:08.32 | Vladinator | the lame part is that if this were to be acknowledged as a "okay thing to do" and addons were made, I fear there would come a LOT of malicious addons that talks to servers that sole aim is to steal information, anything the game can provide them about you as a user |
| 19:08.53 | Vladinator | and that is not what I want at all, ruins it for us that just want to make other peoples lives easier by coding stuff :P |
| 19:09.02 | Shadowed | They are not going to bless this. |
| 19:09.10 | Iriel | At best they'll ignore it. |
| 19:09.24 | Iriel | Medium - they'll close anything exploitable |
| 19:09.41 | Iriel | Worst - the TOS will change to explicitly forbid it (unlikely, but possible) |
| 19:10.19 | Cairenn | Vladinator: -do- you have a working PoC? |
| 19:10.35 | Vladinator | hmm, I do, made a simple chat thingy |
| 19:11.04 | Cairenn | Would you consider giving it to me so I can run it past Blizz? |
| 19:11.06 | Vladinator | send chat message by "searching" and the articles listed was the chat messages |
| 19:11.26 | Vladinator | if you give me a moment to clean it up a bit, I can :P |
| 19:11.48 | Shadowed | (kind of unnecessary to clean it up unless you really want to) |
| 19:11.49 | Iriel | Can you actually USE the response content in code? |
| 19:11.52 | Iriel | Or is it protected? |
| 19:12.02 | Vladinator | its XML |
| 19:12.05 | Vladinator | all of it |
| 19:12.07 | Xinhuan | interesting |
| 19:12.08 | Cairenn | Okay, thanks. cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 19:12.10 | Shadowed | Iriel: If you can get it into the game I imagine you can |
| 19:12.12 | Xinhuan | and nobody discovered this before? |
| 19:12.14 | Shadowed | since you could just read the FS's |
| 19:12.19 | Vladinator | Its weird no one has ye :P |
| 19:12.37 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Something popped up years back but it was quickly closed |
| 19:12.38 | Iriel | Shadowed: Some text is protected |
| 19:12.40 | Xinhuan | i guess people just assumed the knowledge base is part of the wow servers |
| 19:12.48 | Shadowed | Iriel: Is there? |
| 19:12.50 | Xinhuan | and not something external |
| 19:12.55 | Shadowed | Iriel: afaik, no text is protected |
| 19:12.57 | Cairenn | Write up the details and stuff and send it on through, Vladinator |
| 19:12.58 | Shadowed | maybe that changed |
| 19:13.04 | Vladinator | I will |
| 19:13.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:13.10 | Vladinator | Not smart to tank and IRC :( |
| 19:13.15 | Cairenn | whoops! |
| 19:13.16 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:13.19 | Iriel | Ok, maybe I should say "Some text WAS protected" I haven't looked recently. |
| 19:13.22 | Vladinator | imagine IRC in wow now :P |
| 19:13.25 | Shadowed | Iriel: What was it out of curiosity |
| 19:13.26 | foxlit | Just the fact that you're able to initiate outgoing communication is a problem. |
| 19:13.38 | Shadowed | the only thing i know of that was explicitly "protected" is minimap drawing, but that;s the graphics on it |
| 19:13.53 | foxlit | Combine that with the "show the login screen model and ask for password" trick, and you can basically phish in-game, and have results delivered to your mailbox. |
| 19:13.56 | Iriel | I thought it was text coming from "outside" - like help text etc |
| 19:14.03 | Vladinator | but it requires (1) client to change hosts (2) a server to be publicly made available to handle the requests |
| 19:14.04 | Shadowed | huh interesting |
| 19:14.14 | Xinhuan | so a virus could do it |
| 19:14.16 | Vladinator | shut down (2) and (1) is useless |
| 19:14.17 | Shadowed | You're likely right |
| 19:14.18 | Shadowed | interesting |
| 19:14.27 | Xinhuan | otherwise, it has to be something the user actively does |
| 19:14.40 | nevcairiel | there is nothing to be gained from extracting information from inside wow, nothing in there you couldnt gain from the outside |
| 19:15.25 | Xinhuan | nah, i'm 99% sure this isn't intended |
| 19:15.28 | airtonix | yeah i'm going to kick you out of my guild now Vladinator |
| 19:15.30 | foxlit | nevcairiel: what's wrong with my show log-in screen, ask for password plan? :) |
| 19:15.38 | Shadowed | it requires the hosts file to be modified |
| 19:15.51 | foxlit | only if you want to do something other than send it to trade chat |
| 19:15.53 | Vladinator | lol |
| 19:15.55 | Shadowed | at that point you might as well just fake the WoW exe if you can get it modified |
| 19:16.04 | Shadowed | also you can't show login screen animations in game |
| 19:16.23 | Shadowed | you would have to hand animate it all |
| 19:16.27 | foxlit | Can we agree that the amount of code required to show a model and write a fake wow.exe is wildly different? |
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| 19:16.43 | Shadowed | foxlit: Read what Vladinator said. You need to modify the hosts file to use it to get data out |
| 19:17.15 | Shadowed | At which point, you might as well just fake wow.exe rather than trying to come up with something overcomplicated like modifying the hosts file on top of putting a fake login screen that looks nothing like the actual one |
| 19:17.43 | foxlit | Shadowed: you'd have a chance of being right if my question was in response to Vlad; it was, however, in response to nev :) |
| 19:17.46 | Xinhuan | well Shadowed, a dedicated hacker could just record the user/pass, and just have it whisper a level 1 character that is always online |
| 19:17.52 | Xinhuan | on all servers :P |
| 19:17.56 | Xinhuan | and hide that whisper |
| 19:17.59 | Xinhuan | from the user |
| 19:18.27 | Xinhuan | you don't necesarily need a connection, if you want to phish that way |
| 19:18.28 | Vladinator | tough if you get compromised like that, you have bigger problems than just wow user account |
| 19:18.44 | airtonix | whispers fiskers password to Xinhuan, a level 1 gnome rogue. |
| 19:19.20 | Shadowed | Doing an in-game keylogger like that is hilariously pointless |
| 19:19.24 | Shadowed | you've always been able to do it |
| 19:19.34 | Shadowed | it's just always been impractical to do anything useful |
| 19:19.54 | Xinhuan | is an addon able to automate a knowledge base query without user input? |
| 19:19.59 | Vladinator | yes |
| 19:20.06 | Vladinator | the API can be used by addons |
| 19:20.15 | foxlit | "Shadowed: also you can't show login screen animations in game" << you're wrong there |
| 19:20.19 | Xinhuan | so making it protected would be the easiest way |
| 19:20.20 | Shadowed | No I'm not |
| 19:20.22 | nevcairiel | they might just change that to require hardware actions or even be protected, and your thing is fixed |
| 19:20.23 | Shadowed | I looked into it a while ago |
| 19:20.30 | Shadowed | The login screen animations use a format that you can't play in game |
| 19:20.40 | Vladinator | you can still just use blizzards ingame addon |
| 19:20.53 | Vladinator | it wouldnt notice the difference between the XML from blizz and thecustom server |
| 19:21.07 | Xinhuan | ok that would be obtuse heh |
| 19:21.12 | Vladinator | but |
| 19:21.21 | Vladinator | you wouldnt then allow any other custom addons from extracting data at least ;) |
| 19:21.29 | Vladinator | unless blizz makes their own code do it and send it and such |
| 19:22.01 | Xinhuan | well, the next easiest is simply to make the knowledge base originate from the wow server you are connected to, rather than some other server :P |
| 19:22.16 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 19:22.32 | Arrowmaster | like i said just make it use HTTPS with the cert hardcoded into the client exe |
| 19:22.36 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Or make it https and verify certs |
| 19:22.42 | Iriel | Like Arrowmaster said |
| 19:22.46 | Xinhuan | well yeah ok, i guess that's easy |
| 19:22.49 | Xinhuan | way easier |
| 19:22.51 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 19:23.07 | nevcairiel | dont even have to hardcode the cert, just make it a domain you control, and check if its valid |
| 19:23.31 | Iriel | How does that work exactly if you dont have a root cert encoded? |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | although i guess if you used windows cert store, you could still add your own root cert in there |
| 19:24.23 | Arrowmaster | just hardcode the cert fingerprint or a fingerprint for a cert that will sign the cert |
| 19:24.33 | Arrowmaster | OR USE DNSSEC! |
| 19:25.40 | Vladinator | there are many ways to fix it, easiest would be just have the game somehow validate the origin of the data, right? ;) |
| 19:25.53 | Vladinator | I guess they need the kb to be separate for load reasons |
| 19:26.04 | Vladinator | since the kb takes info from the webpage and hasn othing to do with the game itself |
| 19:26.18 | Xinhuan | the KB is the same across all servers/regions i assume |
| 19:26.21 | Xinhuan | so its just centralized |
| 19:26.26 | Vladinator | you got eu/us |
| 19:26.29 | Arrowmaster | i doubt regions |
| 19:26.47 | Iriel | I suspect the argument is the reverse - it doesn't need to be part of the game, so it isn't. |
| 19:27.01 | Arrowmaster | since they put stuff for holiday events in there which would be divided by NA/EU and all the asian realms |
| 19:27.01 | Iriel | Also, separating it gives them flexibility in how quickly they update the KB |
| 19:27.45 | Vladinator | my LFD is finally done, time to PM Cairenn ;) |
| 19:27.55 | Cairenn | Thanks Vladinator :) |
| 19:28.14 | Vladinator | Worst case they fix it and I have 1 less project to work on for fun :P haha |
| 19:28.24 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:28.43 | Vladinator | I can always go back to my flightpath calculations now that I know the formula used between the nodes xD |
| 19:28.56 | Xinhuan | flight path calculations...? |
| 19:29.01 | Lunessa | So, working the Saturday after a holiday sucks. The Telecomm team screwed up the phone routing so calls are getting misdirected, and even better the OWA page is rejecting valid logins. |
| 19:29.08 | Lunessa | Yay. |
| 19:29.12 | Shadowed | It sounds like they just need the KB to do HTTP stuff due to search? |
| 19:29.16 | Shadowed | Otherwise they could precache this on login |
| 19:29.37 | Shadowed | as opposed to having to do all of the search in-game |
| 19:30.02 | Iriel | Shadowed: I doubt they want the footprint of all that content on the client either |
| 19:30.24 | Shadowed | KB can't be that big is it? |
| 19:30.35 | Shadowed | I think the last time I used it was maybe 5 years ago so :p |
| 19:31.05 | karl_w_w | Failed to load web page (unknown error).-401 :( |
| 19:33.59 | Vladinator | Cairenn, should I use [CODE] tags? |
| 19:34.06 | Cairenn | Sure |
| 19:34.08 | Vladinator | k |
| 19:34.15 | Cairenn | Err, hang on |
| 19:34.18 | Vladinator | :P |
| 19:34.25 | foxlit | "Shadowed: The login screen animations use a format that you can't play in game" << no they don't |
| 19:34.29 | foxlit | also, you owe me 15 minutes. |
| 19:34.30 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 19:34.32 | Cairenn | Do you mean on the site? I'd prefer an email rather than a PM |
| 19:34.36 | Vladinator | kk |
| 19:34.38 | Vladinator | then I mail |
| 19:34.41 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 19:34.49 | Cairenn | cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 19:34.54 | Shadowed | foxlit: If you can play it in-game, then it's something they likely need to fix. |
| 19:34.57 | Shadowed | Since you weren't able to before. |
| 19:35.03 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9726-WorldofWorldofWarcraft.html |
| 19:35.18 | foxlit | I presume it worked as far back as BC. |
| 19:36.30 | Shadowed | yea mdx's didn't use to work when I tried them |
| 19:36.33 | Shadowed | interesting |
| 19:36.48 | foxlit | and by trivial modification, http://go-hero.net/i/dwagon.jpg |
| 19:36.56 | Shadowed | It's really not much of an issue |
| 19:37.21 | Vladinator | should I snip away repeating code, like XML languages declaration can get long and is not crucial to the example... unless you want to be able to copy the code and run it without any editing... |
| 19:37.31 | Shadowed | I would just laugh if someone did that |
| 19:37.39 | Shadowed | Vladinator: You're overthinking it :P |
| 19:38.03 | Vladinator | no I am just trying to make a forward easy to read and get to the keypoints example, but not sure on the level of details I should use :P |
| 19:38.11 | Vladinator | never done a POC before |
| 19:38.13 | Shadowed | giving something that runs should be plenty |
| 19:38.52 | Shadowed | but I wouldn't worry about say, providing detailed source code for the server itself that runs a chat client or whatever you're doing |
| 19:39.00 | Shadowed | just whatever addon bits that are necessary and the host file mod |
| 19:39.05 | Vladinator | ye |
| 19:39.19 | Vladinator | no addon needs, only hosts, htaccess and php files :3 |
| 19:40.29 | Lunessa | "AT&T has temporarily withdrawn its application with the FCC to acquire T-Mobile, and will instead focus on getting approval from the Justice Department for the merger." http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/11/att-withdraws-tmobile-merger/ |
| 19:56.43 | Vladinator | I will attach the text I wrote as TXT to the mail, so its easier to forward if needed :P |
| 19:58.20 | Vladinator | Cairenn, mail delivered. |
| 19:58.33 | Cairenn | thanks Vladinator |
| 19:58.44 | Vladinator | please don't ban me |
| 19:58.51 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 20:00.33 | Xinhuan | tsk tsk |
| 20:00.43 | Vladinator | I won't lie, I started this in TBC and had a full working ingame wowhead browser, but I got bored, waited a year or two, came back to it as the game changed, the old code was really bad and wanted to update it, so I've known about this for a very long time. Really surprised no one else did. :P |
| 20:01.03 | Arrowmaster | like i said before, they did |
| 20:01.14 | Xinhuan | oh they won't ban you :P |
| 20:01.15 | Vladinator | who? :o |
| 20:01.23 | Vladinator | (to Arrowmaster :P) |
| 20:01.26 | Arrowmaster | they just didnt have to redirect the traffic because they found a way to make the game use a different url |
| 20:01.36 | Arrowmaster | then blizz fixed it |
| 20:01.37 | Xinhuan | i once accidentally figured out how to dupe any stack of prospectable ore :P |
| 20:01.44 | Xinhuan | i sent it in and it got fixed 24 hours later |
| 20:01.44 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 20:01.45 | Vladinator | I know, there was a global variable defining the URL |
| 20:01.57 | Vladinator | nice xin :3 |
| 20:02.10 | Xinhuan | of course, in the process, i kept all the duped ore |
| 20:02.19 | Xinhuan | or rather, the prospected stuff |
| 20:02.20 | Vladinator | reward for finding it :P |
| 20:02.45 | Xinhuan | it involved the mailbox, when they changed mails to be able to attach multiple items |
| 20:02.48 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: well you had to be sure you understood the dupe and all the different ways it could and could not be triggered right |
| 20:02.56 | Xinhuan | and zoning :P |
| 20:03.00 | olafski | riding 100 miles on Ruin is fun :< |
| 20:03.12 | Xinhuan | i even got 2 guildies to test it lol! |
| 20:03.29 | Xinhuan | just to make sure it worked in general |
| 20:03.55 | olafski | I had some accidental duping too.. reported it to a GM, not sure if it was fixed :s |
| 20:04.16 | Vladinator | I found out about this when I was reading network data from my router and wrote a script to read the ingame chat, saw a lot of plain text traffic when I browsed (randomly) the KB :D |
| 20:04.25 | Vladinator | (this = knowledge base thingy) |
| 20:05.19 | Vladinator | funny enough the chat hasnt really changed so if I fire it up I can read anyone in the house and their chats :P tough I changed router so can't do it anymore, old one broke :< |
| 20:05.51 | Vladinator | but I know this isnt favored by the TOS/TOU so no point talking about it lol. |
| 20:06.12 | Vladinator | it's in the past anyway. can't blame me for being curious. |
| 20:07.21 | Vladinator | was it inappropriate? since its so quiet lol |
| 20:08.06 | Vladinator | who knew talking about programming could ever be so akward like talking about politics with someone who is from the opposite party :P |
| 20:08.45 | Lunessa | Or perhaps no one has had any additional comments to make. |
| 20:08.49 | foxlit | There's nothing awkward about programming talk. |
| 20:08.51 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 20:09.00 | Cairenn | (to both Lunessa and foxlit's comments) |
| 20:09.17 | Vladinator | I tought we were sharing past experiences :p |
| 20:10.05 | Vladinator | did I write my text file well, cairenn? |
| 20:10.14 | Cairenn | It works |
| 20:10.22 | Cairenn | If they need anything more, I'll let you know :) |
| 20:10.55 | Vladinator | yes, anything more, like when it's best to call the police to come and arrest me. it's best after 1800 when I am home from university :P |
| 20:11.42 | olafski | you may want to specify a time zone |
| 20:11.50 | olafski | though I guess they'll know that from your address |
| 20:11.52 | Vladinator | they know my profile :P |
| 20:12.24 | Vladinator | I bet they know our playing habbits better than we know us ourselves |
| 20:15.07 | Vladinator | anyone been banned from wow before, like permanent? :p |
| 20:16.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:16.08 | Vladinator | I guess everyone are angels :p |
| 20:16.20 | Cairenn | the lol was about your police comment |
| 20:16.28 | Cairenn | I was scrolled up checking something |
| 20:16.34 | Vladinator | lol |
| 20:16.38 | Cairenn | And sure people get banned from the game |
| 20:17.13 | foxlit | They have no way to enforce a permanent ban, imo. |
| 20:17.24 | foxlit | But can certainly disable your battle.net account. |
| 20:17.26 | Vladinator | I've been banned for being involved when someone started to be racist, just typing in between even if trying to stop it got me locked away -but I had many other small bans like exploring bans, I loved to wallwalk :P |
| 20:17.34 | Cairenn | Oh, didn't say it was overly effective, just that they do do it |
| 20:18.18 | Vladinator | they just make you have to buy new account for the game really, nothing else |
| 20:19.01 | Vladinator | btw, anyone not using an authenticator on their acc? |
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| 20:20.48 | Vladinator | thats nice, I think its kind of mandatory now adays |
| 20:20.53 | Vladinator | since mail being login and all |
| 20:24.10 | foxlit | I don't think that reasoning is valid. |
| 20:24.44 | Vladinator | my mail is plastered all over the internet |
| 20:24.48 | foxlit | As long as you don't share your battle.net email address, it's just as secure as using a dedicated username. |
| 20:24.51 | Vladinator | so they know what that is at least |
| 20:25.01 | foxlit | Perhaps you should use a different email for your battle.net account. |
| 20:25.12 | Vladinator | can I change it? |
| 20:25.17 | foxlit | yes |
| 20:25.29 | Vladinator | hmm, havent researched that tbh |
| 20:25.34 | Vladinator | since I got an authenticator at least |
| 20:26.23 | Vladinator | I actually got the mobile one, java S60 one |
| 20:27.02 | Lunessa | You can change your battle.net email at any time. |
| 20:27.13 | olafski | just use a mobile authenticator in an emulator ,-) |
| 20:27.16 | Vladinator | found out that the java stores some data in a file on the phone, extracted it and based on some sources to how the authenticator works, I wrote my own java program so I can now either use my phone or the computer program to get a code :D |
| 20:27.19 | foxlit | even yesterday! |
| 20:27.37 | foxlit | btw, Java. |
| 20:27.52 | Lunessa | foxlit: But then you can't login today! PARADOX! |
| 20:28.08 | ccox | http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being/ |
| 20:29.31 | foxlit | Using Executors.newSngleThreadExecutor(), why do I get a faster result with two tasks than with a single task, considering they're doing the same amount of combined work? |
| 20:30.27 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 20:31.33 | Vladinator | maybe it has something to do with the time in between tasks, not used it before myself but perhaps you have some methods to call or the threads you make have to call something for quicker shutdown, not sure really :S |
| 20:33.09 | Vladinator | aw man I am so hungry right now, and we start our night of dead island 4 player soon :P |
| 20:34.46 | Vladinator | hmm, never really liked irc so much, feels like I go to a big hall with many people and sit in a corner silent |
| 20:35.07 | Vladinator | like in real life if bored I leave lol and forget to turn on irc until I want to talk about something >.< |
| 20:37.12 | olafski | just set it so it starts up with windows, or just don't shut it down :) |
| 20:37.19 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZNXn6QU7rc if I remember correctly, then this is related |
| 20:39.28 | Arrowmaster | haste: irc, not aol chatrooms |
| 20:39.36 | Iriel | foxlit: is it possible your test is flawed? |
| 20:40.11 | foxlit | Iriel: I hesitate to declare absolute correctness, but I couldn't find anything wrong with it |
| 20:40.21 | Iriel | foxlit: is it simple enough to pastey? |
| 20:41.15 | foxlit | nope. |
| 20:41.34 | Vladinator | the parlor = parody of chatrooms? |
| 20:41.37 | haste | Arrowmaster: sorry, havne't seen it in aeons |
| 20:41.45 | Vladinator | I've actually seen it before lol, it's funny :) |
| 20:45.10 | Iriel | foxlit: that makes little sense then. |
| 20:45.41 | Vladinator | lol |
| 20:45.42 | Vladinator | this is funny |
| 20:45.48 | Vladinator | I havent see nthe whole clip before :P |
| 20:47.52 | Vladinator | haste, thanks for sharing |
| 20:48.49 | Lunessa | http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/its-decorative-gourd-season-motherfuckers |
| 20:48.52 | haste | think I've ended up in the worst heroic group yet |
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| 20:50.12 | ccox | haste - you mean the one where the bear tank just respec'd and is tanking for the first time, and the healer is on his brother's toon, but he and the huntard are together and drunk? |
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| 20:51.06 | haste | ccox: been in it for 7min now, and so far we've replaced 11 people |
| 20:51.14 | ccox | wow |
| 20:51.21 | ccox | that fail, or just folks leaving randomly? |
| 20:51.26 | haste | 12 ! |
| 20:51.36 | haste | people suck, die and pull stuff |
| 20:51.38 | haste | and go afk |
| 20:52.12 | ccox | time to bail, and maybe play an alt for an hour until your bad luck wears off |
| 20:52.34 | ccox | (or me, I'll go roll a hunter just to prove they can be played correctly) |
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| 20:55.12 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/13363057532 |
| 20:59.27 | haste | group is now stable! |
| 21:24.31 | Lunessa | haste is that like "The tickets are now diamonds!" ? |
| 21:28.07 | Cairenn | *chuckles* |
| 21:28.32 | Lunessa | Thank you, thank. I'm here all week. Try the fish. |
| 21:28.52 | haste | Lunessa: yeah |
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| 21:45.59 | airtonix | haste |
| 21:46.56 | haste | airtonix |
| 21:47.22 | airtonix | haste |
| 21:47.32 | airtonix | i'm tired |
| 21:48.19 | haste | I'm healing an heroic! |
| 21:49.04 | haste | my lw has 14 stacks :90 |
| 21:49.31 | haste | 13 now that I've clicked it again |
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| 22:08.47 | harl | [wuff wuff] |
| 22:09.17 | Cide | no |
| 22:16.18 | haste | abort |
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| 22:28.54 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 22:30.09 | Arrowmaster | off to dinner and then some opera or musical or something |
| 22:31.57 | Cide | enjoy |
| 22:47.30 | Jamash | haste: I've been there, I feel ya mang. Group wipes once, tank leaves. Group wipes twice, second tank leaves. Group wipes three times, healer leaves, etc. etc. |
| 22:48.24 | Jamash | I don't remember the exact number of dropouts but it was at least 8 by the time I had to drop out :P |
| 22:48.37 | Jamash | for all I know that pug is still going, like charlie on the MTA |
| 22:48.52 | Lunessa | It's the PUG that never returned? |
| 22:49.15 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:49.21 | haste | is the healer. |
| 22:50.01 | Jamash | http://www.mit.edu/~jdreed/t/charlie.html |
| 22:51.01 | haste | love how the skull mob always dies last |
| 22:51.50 | Jamash | skull means "really mean, avoid at all costs", didn't you know? |
| 22:53.00 | haste | our mage is paying our tank to tank, awesome~ |
| 22:53.21 | Lunessa | Jamash: Does its wife go down to the station every day at quoter past two? |
| 22:53.34 | Jamash | do pugs have wives? |
| 22:53.37 | Lunessa | s/quoter/quarter |
| 22:53.59 | haste | my god, someone other than my clicked the LW! |
| 22:54.14 | Jamash | I was going to ask "what's a LW" but then I figured it out |
| 22:54.31 | Jamash | my priest is disco specced :P |
| 22:54.54 | Lunessa | What light well needs is Samuel L. Jackson saying "Click it, Motherfickers! |
| 22:55.19 | Jamash | it should follow people around and /poke them |
| 22:55.33 | Jamash | hey you, click me for healing, hey, hey you, hey |
| 22:55.46 | Jamash | no, wait |
| 22:55.52 | Jamash | "HEY! LISTEN!" |
| 22:56.11 | Jamash | that would probably get holy priests kicked though |
| 22:56.13 | haste | zelda! |
| 22:56.18 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.00 | Lunessa | I tell groups to click the light well, and then don't heal people who don't. |
| 22:57.13 | haste | I don't do that :P |
| 22:57.13 | Jamash | I use lightwells when available which is not that often because priests don't cast lightwell because people don't click on lightwells |
| 22:57.17 | Lunessa | Naturally, I don't get to PUG a lot on my priest. |
| 22:57.35 | Jamash | bbl food tiem |
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| 23:53.56 | Jamash | mm pie |
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