| 00:00.35 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hrm. |
| 00:01.01 | jnwhiteh | the galaxy nexus display is just gorgeous |
| 00:01.36 | Fisker | yep |
| 00:01.46 | Fisker | that along with the design is the reason why i would choose it over the SGS2 |
| 00:01.53 | Fisker | but i would definitely not choose an nexus s |
| 00:02.01 | Fisker | it's not like the SGS2 can't get custom roms |
| 00:02.07 | Fisker | and they both void you warranty just as much |
| 00:02.19 | Fisker | so i don't see much point in getting the Nexus S over the SGS2 |
| 00:02.32 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 00:02.33 | trololol | if i install a iphone 4s battary on my 3gs would/it make it faster? |
| 00:02.34 | jnwhiteh | I see now |
| 00:02.54 | jnwhiteh | AOSP doesn't ship with support for herring |
| 00:03.03 | jnwhiteh | so that removes that incentive for doing it |
| 00:03.07 | Cide | can we kill trololol? |
| 00:03.30 | Cide | I meant to say kick but I guess kill works too |
| 00:03.34 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 00:03.53 | Fisker | in b4 umad |
| 00:04.11 | jnwhiteh | but its at least planned for the nexus s |
| 00:04.16 | jnwhiteh | so that's something |
| 00:04.23 | Jamash | welcome to #android enjoy your stay |
| 00:04.25 | trololol | how about eat my nut sacks you geek |
| 00:04.45 | Fisker | www.sgs2ics.com |
| 00:04.53 | Arrowmaster | i got a nexus s but it was free with contract |
| 00:05.04 | kd3 | oh wow. doom3 source just got released |
| 00:05.04 | trololol | Cide: ill do your dads/tight ass no homo |
| 00:05.06 | Jamash | free with money |
| 00:05.10 | *** kick/#wowuidev [trololol!~jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (trololol) |
| 00:05.18 | Jamash | man I should patent that |
| 00:05.29 | Fisker | oh u kd3 |
| 00:05.32 | Cide | lol |
| 00:05.33 | Jamash | free tv with payment of $999 |
| 00:05.56 | Cide | that's the shipping, Jamash |
| 00:06.11 | Jamash | nah this is in-store |
| 00:06.15 | Jamash | you have to pick it up yourself |
| 00:07.14 | Cide | oic |
| 00:07.16 | Fisker | a |
| 00:07.26 | Fisker | b |
| 00:07.31 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: k thanks for the infoz |
| 00:07.41 | Fisker | np |
| 00:07.51 | jnwhiteh | night all |
| 00:11.08 | Cairenn | night jnwhiteh |
| 00:12.55 | KarlKFI|work | free shipping with all in store pickups? |
| 00:17.55 | Fisker | œ |
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| 01:37.47 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/1ExC0.jpg |
| 01:39.41 | Azelphur | Does anyone know if the WoW Viewport issue is gonna be getting any attention soon? |
| 01:39.55 | mckenziemc1 | ? |
| 01:40.13 | Azelphur | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/November%202011/2011-11-23-013648_3840x1200_scrot.png this |
| 01:40.26 | mckenziemc1 | 404 |
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| 01:40.36 | Azelphur | ah sorry, hasn't finished uploading yet give it a sec :) |
| 01:41.37 | Azelphur | mckenziemc1: have a youtube video I found with the same issue as me anyway, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYNgrvAeCo |
| 01:42.31 | Azelphur | certain elements appear to be rendered relative to the entire rendering area, where as they should only be relative to the viewport, which results in general trippyness :( |
| 01:44.44 | Azelphur | my screenshot is up now too, it's really ugly for me as I have a much larger unused viewport area :p |
| 01:45.02 | Arrowmaster | elements such as speech bubbles? |
| 01:45.23 | Arrowmaster | and nameplates |
| 01:45.25 | Azelphur | yea, speech bubbles, player titles, water, etc |
| 01:45.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah that has existed forever |
| 01:45.51 | Azelphur | :( |
| 01:46.25 | Azelphur | I found a thread on the eu tech support forums and the GM's pretty much said gtfo addon issue |
| 01:46.27 | Azelphur | which it clearly isn't :( |
| 01:47.06 | Azelphur | probably will make a post on the customer support forums tomorrow during work hours, see if I can get anything. |
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| 01:52.03 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 01:52.12 | airtonix | what a jerk |
| 01:52.46 | airtonix | anyway Fisker, when was the last time you got knocked upside the head by a troll? |
| 01:53.07 | airtonix | Fisker: my companion lydia got launched by a troll. |
| 02:01.55 | Zyn | J'zargo want you to test these flame cloak scrolls on the undead. |
| 02:02.13 | Zyn | J'zargo forgot to mention it damages your companions and makes them hostile as well. |
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| 02:50.16 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMKJ9fDM2mo&ob=av3e |
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| 03:05.43 | Arrowmaster | when do these credits end |
| 03:08.38 | pompy | for ACR? |
| 03:09.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah, theyre finally over |
| 03:09.29 | pompy | hah yeah |
| 03:09.47 | pompy | im upset at the completing story achievement.. it wasnt as cool as ACB's |
| 03:10.26 | pompy | but wasnt the "secure the apple of eden" and extra optional step after completing the story? |
| 03:10.34 | pompy | an* |
| 03:11.12 | pompy | Arrowmaster: sweet ending though? |
| 03:11.48 | Arrowmaster | well it was better than botherhood |
| 03:11.57 | pompy | yeah |
| 03:14.08 | Arrowmaster | anything is better than brotherhoods ending |
| 03:16.46 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/LpYvB.jpg |
| 03:16.56 | Kraps | science! |
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| 03:24.56 | Dagmar | Solution: They're both dumb as rocks. |
| 03:25.44 | Dagmar | That 555 should rock practically everything |
| 03:33.31 | Jamash | is there a simple way to tell whether a given global function is protected from within wow? |
| 03:34.02 | Arrowmaster | you can check if its secure but not if its protected |
| 03:34.09 | Jamash | :( |
| 03:36.03 | Jamash | I want to be able to warn the user if they try to use a full hook on a protected function |
| 03:40.40 | Arrowmaster | doesnt acehook do that if you try to hook a secure funtion |
| 03:42.28 | Jamash | I dunno, does it? |
| 03:51.20 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3968202/Black_Friday_Sale_-_50_Off_StarCraft_II-11_22_2011 |
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| 03:51.58 | Jamash | !api IsProtected |
| 03:51.58 | lua_bot | Region:IsProtected: Returns whether the region is protected (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/IsProtected) |
| 03:52.18 | Jamash | hrm, that's just for widgets |
| 03:55.28 | durcyn | Fisker, why does Arkham City use GFWL |
| 04:02.34 | kd3 | ars asked the same question |
| 04:02.42 | kd3 | I don't think there's a good answer |
| 04:03.53 | Jamash | because microsoft wanted them to |
| 04:05.57 | durcyn | my god, this is a shameful hack job of a console port |
| 04:06.09 | pompy | durcyn: http://store.steampowered.com/app/57400/ |
| 04:07.03 | Jamash | Other Requirements: Online play requires log-in to Games For Windows – Live. 3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™ |
| 04:07.11 | Jamash | what online play |
| 04:08.01 | pompy | yeah, it uses steamworks |
| 04:08.05 | pompy | has achievements and cloud |
| 04:08.33 | Arrowmaster | it uses steamworks and GFWL? |
| 04:09.07 | Arrowmaster | so can you earn both microsoft and steam achievements? |
| 04:09.47 | Jamash | I wish there was a way to tell steam "put a big red DO NOT BUY THIS" flag on store pages for games that have third-party DRM, GFWL or any other form of non-steam authentication / activation requirement |
| 04:09.58 | Jamash | as a user option |
| 04:09.58 | pompy | http://i.imgur.com/muH2n.jpg |
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| 04:10.20 | Jamash | what |
| 04:10.26 | Jamash | I |
| 04:10.31 | Jamash | what? |
| 04:11.30 | Jamash | hey remember when the xbox was going to be so compatible with the PC that it would be easy to port games from one to the other with no stupid graphical issues |
| 04:11.52 | Arrowmaster | that was the old xbox |
| 04:12.01 | Arrowmaster | which ran a x86 processor |
| 04:12.14 | Jamash | not what I'm talking about |
| 04:12.24 | Jamash | I mean the APIs, not the executable code |
| 04:12.24 | Arrowmaster | the 360 has two powerpc processors |
| 04:12.58 | Jamash | the 360 has a three-core powerpc cpu and an nvidia graphics chip, none of which is germane to my point |
| 04:13.49 | pompy | http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com/forums/showthread.php/10510-Disappointed-by-poor-performance-and-handling-of-PC-version! |
| 04:13.50 | Jamash | no wait, an ati chip, it's the ps3 that has an nvidia chip? |
| 04:14.09 | Arrowmaster | old xbox had nvidia |
| 04:14.13 | Jamash | ah |
| 04:14.16 | Arrowmaster | ps3 has neither afaik |
| 04:14.27 | pompy | haha, http://gamerant.com/skyrim-patch-makes-steam-mandatory-dyce-117938/ |
| 04:14.31 | Arrowmaster | i thought it used one cell for gfx |
| 04:14.51 | Jamash | ps3 has nvidia, it was in theory going to be so turbo-studly it wouldn't need one but it turns out it wasn't so it did |
| 04:16.17 | Jamash | http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Elder-Scrolls-5-Skyrim-Hoarder.jpg uhhh |
| 04:16.45 | pompy | yeah Jamash, theres http://i.imgur.com/yZulN.jpg too |
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| 04:17.31 | Jamash | king of saurkraut |
| 04:22.04 | durcyn | pompy: none of which was disclosed on the preorder iirc |
| 04:22.24 | Arrowmaster | so ask for a refund |
| 04:22.29 | Arrowmaster | theyll give you one |
| 04:22.36 | durcyn | i'd rather complain until nothing happens |
| 04:23.50 | pompy | durcyn: wait, what wasnt disclosed on the preorder? |
| 04:24.18 | Arrowmaster | the drm |
| 04:24.19 | durcyn | pompy: the GFWL and SecuROM bits you linked on the store page |
| 04:24.40 | durcyn | there was special pricing if you let them touch your wallet three months ago or so |
| 04:27.39 | pompy | http://www.giantbomb.com/news/batman-arkham-citys-pre-order-bonus-scheme-is-like-some-terrible-labyrinthine-nightmare/3567/ lol thats crazy |
| 04:29.49 | pompy | durcyn: http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com/forums/showthread.php/6501-DRM-for-the-PC-version-again random thread i found |
| 04:34.24 | pompy | hm well, skyrim is GFW title too.. and now with them releasing a patch that says steam is mandatory, that may be interesting |
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| 04:37.08 | Expop | hi |
| 04:37.20 | Expop | anyone on? |
| 04:39.23 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/diablo-3-console-port-2-trung-117634/ |
| 04:40.58 | Expop | does anyone know if there's a way to get the number of ticks of a damage or healing spell? |
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| 04:53.31 | pompy | so bethesda made skyrim not recognize more than 2gb of ram on 64 bit systems? thats odd |
| 05:01.17 | pompy | doh http://www.geek.com/articles/games/skyrim-ps3-save-bug-renders-game-unplayable-20111117/ |
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| 05:06.59 | Iriel | pompy: hope they fix that before i'm impacted |
| 05:12.26 | pompy | Iriel: "My one hope is that Bethesda can fix this without informing PS3 players that their previous save games will no longer be valid after the patch has been applied"... that would suck |
| 05:13.18 | Iriel | pompy: no kidding |
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| 06:22.26 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, Shirik: http://www.woot.com/ |
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| 06:27.01 | Arrowmaster | never heard of the brand |
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| 07:42.02 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5862094/eb-gamesgamestop-gets-rid-of-used-games-section |
| 07:42.23 | Arrowmaster | "all games will be lumped into the one section, and all games will be stickered with the same white price tags" |
| 07:43.47 | Arrowmaster | if you are stupid enough to purchase a 'new' game from eb/gamestop from the shelf then what does it matter, you are purchasing a game thats already been opened and gutted by the staff and going on their word that you are getting a 'new' disc and other contents when they put them back in for you at the register instead of getting a used disc |
| 07:44.26 | Arrowmaster | imho it can only be considered new if its still sealed up and in the case of 360 games still has the microsoft sticker across the edge |
| 07:45.54 | Dagmar | That's not really different from before |
| 07:46.09 | Dagmar | They had a very annoying habit of taking serial numbers out of boxes and sometimes forgetting to give them to you |
| 07:47.43 | Arrowmaster | which is why i dont consider anything thats already opened to be new |
| 07:49.28 | Dagmar | This was a shrink-wrapped box. |
| 07:49.32 | Dagmar | Twice this happened. |
| 07:49.46 | Dagmar | They've got no qualms about re-shrinkwrapping packages |
| 07:50.06 | Arrowmaster | also why i mentioned the case of 360 games needing the microsoft seal |
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| 07:55.09 | Mr_Rabies | i bought a copy of tribes 2 in ~2002 that had a used cd key already, and upon closer inspection of the box they had resealed it and tried to sell it to me as new |
| 07:55.42 | Mr_Rabies | returned it and bought that junk at walmart for like 10 bucks cheaper :3 |
| 07:56.10 | Dagmar | I got a copy of that space MMO Richard Garriot was doing with no CD key inside because they'd removed it and rewrapped the box. |
| 07:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | tabula rasa, right? |
| 07:56.31 | Dagmar | Yeah, I couldn't remember the name of it |
| 07:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:56.36 | Arrowmaster | i preordered that and never picked up my copy |
| 07:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | i forgot if that was his |
| 07:56.41 | Dagmar | I was a little pissed since I bought it for my brother |
| 07:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | i preordered metal gear solid 4 about 4 times for the bonus dvd :v |
| 07:57.26 | Dagmar | I Steam. |
| 07:57.36 | Dagmar | No curveballs there. |
| 07:58.28 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.amazon.com/Tropico-4-Xbox-360/dp/B004H0H890/ $20 |
| 07:58.30 | Mr_Rabies | it came with this rad summary DVD if you preordered it |
| 07:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 07:58.39 | Mr_Rabies | well, the preorder did |
| 07:58.44 | Arrowmaster | pompy: not interested |
| 07:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | so $5 got you a dvd on the spot with some cool stuff on it |
| 07:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | i got 4 because hey, maybe it'll be worth something (like a full copy of subsistence is like $70 now) |
| 08:00.05 | Arrowmaster | ive got a full copy of subsistence, never played it though |
| 08:03.21 | Arrowmaster | wtf is with the price of the MGS HD collection limited edition, it just came out yet seems to be rare already |
| 08:07.09 | Cairenn | night all |
| 08:07.19 | Arrowmaster | same, sleepy time |
| 08:14.15 | ccox | http://www.google.co.uk/ |
| 08:14.43 | Fisker | because durcyn |
| 08:14.45 | Fisker | they're stupid |
| 08:15.42 | Fisker | wow |
| 08:15.48 | Fisker | i can get Diablo 3 for free in 90 days |
| 08:15.55 | Fisker | too bad i already got the beta and the game |
| 08:15.58 | Fisker | they should know that |
| 08:20.42 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 08:24.00 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 08:24.05 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 08:24.10 | Fisker | cease and desist |
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| 08:29.38 | Maldivia | :) |
| 08:34.15 | Fisker | hey Maldivia |
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| 08:53.13 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 08:53.22 | Fisker | did you call up samsung norge and fus ro dah'd in their face? |
| 08:57.05 | haste | no |
| 08:57.12 | haste | you should do it |
| 08:57.16 | haste | not like they would understand danish |
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| 10:03.37 | airtonix | hey Fiskaste |
| 10:07.25 | airtonix | Dagmar: lulz >> http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/182912622/p1 |
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| 10:14.43 | airtonix | GunStop worker. I was returning this weapon I purchased because my OH MY!.. Your leg thrust is so powerful! And the placement of thy crotch upon this brow is flawless... Incredible. |
| 10:16.51 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 10:17.46 | Maldivia | indeed |
| 10:18.09 | Maldivia | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20111122 :P |
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| 10:30.41 | Fisker | it is done Maldivia |
| 10:30.43 | Fisker | fukken gaem |
| 10:32.56 | Adys | https://github.com/TTimo/doom3.gpl |
| 10:33.23 | Fisker | old! |
| 10:33.41 | Adys | *exactly* like the brother of yours you've been ogling |
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| 10:54.43 | Adys | Back in 2009, many of the official Google discussion groups moved from Google Groups to a new platform called "Google Help Forums". Now it's time for them to go back to Google Groups. |
| 10:54.49 | Adys | ~fail google |
| 10:54.49 | purl | google, you Fail! |
| 10:55.13 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.39 | Adys | Then maybe you shouldve spent your time improving the dog-shit interface of google groups AT THE TIME. |
| 10:57.10 | Fisker | can't just call it dog shit because it's true |
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| 11:14.25 | Adys | On its face, this sounds like one of those "it took a study to show this?" moments. |
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| 11:29.06 | Maldivia | Fisker: all of it, or 10k gold? |
| 11:31.04 | airtonix | i'm kinda mad |
| 11:31.36 | Maldivia | starts humming... I'm going slightly mad |
| 11:44.01 | starlon | Fisker never sleeps. |
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| 11:44.42 | starlon | slept for 2 hours tonight. ;) |
| 11:44.47 | Nefarion | hey there |
| 11:44.53 | starlon | hiya |
| 11:46.27 | Nefarion | got a little lua problem here -.- if i use "object = setmetatable(object, frame_metatable)" then object is empty but if i use "object.__index = frame_metatable.__index" then object got all the functions from my metatable -.- anyone got a suggestion? |
| 11:48.28 | Fisker | 10k gold Maldivia |
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| 11:48.42 | Fisker | i think the coop one is bugged beyond acquisition |
| 11:48.53 | Fisker | elite kills that is |
| 11:49.42 | Fisker | get over here Stanzilla |
| 11:50.06 | Stanzilla | what |
| 11:51.02 | haste | Fisker |
| 11:51.09 | airtonix | haste |
| 11:51.19 | haste | airtonix |
| 11:51.48 | Nefarion | haste == oUF author? |
| 11:51.53 | airtonix | umad? |
| 11:52.02 | haste | Nefarion: true |
| 11:52.09 | airtonix | he's lying |
| 11:52.17 | airtonix | i can tell from the pixels |
| 11:53.06 | Fisker | hey haste |
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| 12:07.55 | Fisker | haste |
| 12:08.00 | Fisker | did you fus ro dah my samsung norway? |
| 12:09.00 | starlon | tilts. |
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| 12:18.01 | harl | [wuff!] |
| 12:18.11 | Nefarion | anyway where is the difference between "o = setmetatable{....}" and o={} \newline setmetatable{....}? |
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| 12:24.23 | airtonix | yes? |
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| 12:56.01 | airtonix | well i guess that answers that question |
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| 13:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Halloween! |
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| 13:53.59 | amro | Lopeppeppy: but it's not until 3 weeks ago! |
| 13:57.12 | Lopeppeppy | Get in the Tardis and make it so. |
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| 14:04.59 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u Peppy |
| 14:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, bluspacecow. Wanna come over tomorrow to hang up the holiday lights and stuff? |
| 14:06.26 | bluspacecow | lawlz |
| 14:06.29 | bluspacecow | im in nz ? |
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| 14:07.37 | Lopeppeppy | Does that devalue the invitation in some way? *sniff* |
| 14:07.59 | bluspacecow | no silly :D |
| 14:10.26 | karl_w_w | somebody suggest some guitar driven melodic rock |
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| 14:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | Any of the 80's hair bands. |
| 14:20.27 | bluspacecow | metallica and brian eno |
| 14:21.12 | karl_w_w | they need to name a new sub-genre for metallica |
| 14:21.17 | karl_w_w | pop metal |
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| 14:38.09 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 14:38.11 | Fisker | not so hey karl_w_w |
| 14:38.13 | Fisker | however hey haste |
| 14:38.19 | bluspacecow | hey hey hey |
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| 14:41.18 | Fisker | hey |
| 14:42.23 | karl_w_w | fisker my computer overheats and turns itself off, what do i do? |
| 14:45.24 | Fisker | don't buy a mac |
| 14:46.12 | karl_w_w | i would never |
| 14:46.31 | Fisker | but you had |
| 14:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | Get it some more ventilation? |
| 14:47.01 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:50.29 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap large trout |
| 14:50.29 | purl | ACTION slaps large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 14:50.46 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 14:50.47 | Fisker | no |
| 14:50.52 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 14:50.58 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 14:51.08 | Fisker | no smile pls |
| 14:51.19 | bluspacecow | P: |
| 14:52.17 | Fisker | D: |
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| 15:02.14 | Fisker | i could kiss you bluspacecow |
| 15:02.30 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 15:03.23 | Trela | Torhal_: Get out of bed! |
| 15:03.49 | Torhal_ | Just did. Feel like deep. |
| 15:03.53 | Torhal_ | derp |
| 15:03.58 | Torhal_ | Goddamn autocorrect. |
| 15:04.01 | Trela | Derp derp. :D |
| 15:04.03 | Torhal_ | stabs his Mac. |
| 15:04.25 | Trela | Waiting for my pants to dry. |
| 15:04.41 | Torhal | So I'm to assume, then, that you're NOT currently in the office. |
| 15:07.18 | Alram | i thought everyone at curse wears no pants |
| 15:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Only when Cairenn and I steal them. |
| 15:12.17 | Maldivia | so more or less all the time? |
| 15:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | You don't need them for coding anyway, am I right? |
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| 16:35.50 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:38.15 | Lunessa | They really, really, really want to sell me SCII |
| 16:39.14 | Torhal|work | Did you offer a dollar? |
| 16:39.25 | Torhal|work | http://i.imgur.com/4IjbT.jpg |
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| 16:40.17 | durcyn | yes, Torhal, we know you like blowjobs |
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| 16:41.14 | Lunessa | Torhal: Heh, no. |
| 16:42.03 | Torhal|work | Would whomever is doing so, please stop pissing in durcyn's Wheaties? Thanks. |
| 16:42.16 | Arrowmaster | but its funny |
| 16:42.21 | Torhal|work | Oh, ok then. |
| 16:42.26 | Lunessa | Ah man, does this mean I have to piss in Fisker's Wheaties? |
| 16:42.35 | Torhal|work | You don't already? |
| 16:42.42 | Torhal|work | I thought it was tradition. |
| 16:42.43 | Lunessa | Well, there too. |
| 16:42.47 | Arrowmaster | ive tried that, he doesnt eat wheaties |
| 16:42.50 | Thunder_Child | People still eat wheaties? |
| 16:43.03 | Lunessa | It's like Holy Ground for Highlanders. |
| 16:43.36 | pompy | http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/250x250/10/11163/11431806.jpg |
| 16:44.21 | Lunessa | Did you fuck with his mammoth? |
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| 16:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, mammoths |
| 16:45.51 | Lunessa | But Lopeppeppy bestiality is a significant risk factor for penile cancer. |
| 16:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | So I have heard. Poor chickens. |
| 16:46.03 | pompy | heh |
| 16:47.00 | Arrowmaster | so im curious who thought it was a good idea to put xbox dashboard themes on sale this week |
| 16:47.10 | Arrowmaster | since on december 6th they will be useless |
| 16:47.39 | Lunessa | FIRESALE! GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! BUY BUY BUY |
| 16:47.41 | nevcairiel | sounds like a good idea to sell them now, because soon they'll be useless and you wont sell any anymore |
| 16:48.06 | Fisker | lol firesale Lunessa |
| 16:48.07 | nevcairiel | the question you have to ask who is stupid enough to buy them. :) |
| 16:48.11 | Arrowmaster | well after the 6th theyll just have to start creating new themes that work for the new dashboard |
| 16:48.16 | Fisker | we all know that is terrorists taking over the united states |
| 16:48.27 | Fisker | nothing to do with something going out of business lol |
| 16:49.00 | nevcairiel | the us gov't going out of business |
| 16:49.14 | Fisker | no! |
| 16:50.01 | Lunessa | Fisker: In the US business have what are called "Fire sales" even if they didn't have a fire. Often they will have a fire sale and a going out of business sale at the same time. So I was just making a joke about the kinds of ads they do for those "events." |
| 16:51.02 | durcyn | inventory reduction sales for digital goods. okay. |
| 16:51.36 | nevcairiel | those bits just have to go |
| 16:51.47 | Fisker | fire? |
| 16:51.52 | Fisker | who talked anything about a fire? |
| 16:51.57 | Fisker | i was talking about taking over the US |
| 16:53.16 | durcyn | you say that like the US is worth taking over |
| 16:53.42 | durcyn | you'll get access to such lovely places as the appalachias and Trenton, New Jersey |
| 16:54.09 | Fisker | atleast we get to decide a new motto |
| 16:55.03 | durcyn | you think you can do better than joseph mccarthy on that one? |
| 16:55.25 | Lunessa | Oh man, you went straight to HUAC. |
| 16:55.30 | Fisker | i was thinking something along the lines of "FUS RO DAH" |
| 17:01.47 | karl_w_w | wtf, i am legend 2? |
| 17:01.51 | karl_w_w | how... wtf?! |
| 17:02.28 | Fisker | o l d karl_w_w |
| 17:02.29 | Fisker | mad? |
| 17:02.32 | wereHamster | the cow isn't dry. you milk it until it's dry... |
| 17:02.34 | Fisker | also prequels and shit |
| 17:02.34 | karl_w_w | o thank god |
| 17:02.37 | karl_w_w | its a fake |
| 17:02.43 | Fisker | :< |
| 17:02.43 | wereHamster | or rather, the movie industry milks it.. |
| 17:02.53 | AcidWeb | karl_w_w: Quite simple. http://www.wowhead.com/spell=2008 |
| 17:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's always cloning. |
| 17:04.52 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/1u8UA.png |
| 17:05.02 | Fisker | captcha's now double as your yearly physical |
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| 17:05.46 | karl_w_w | s/captcha's/captchas/ |
| 17:06.08 | Fisker | umad karl_w_w ? |
| 17:06.15 | karl_w_w | you're welcome |
| 17:07.21 | karl_w_w | ooh official talent calc |
| 17:07.29 | karl_w_w | old, right Fisker? |
| 17:10.28 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy does that mean you will no longer abuse me? |
| 17:11.03 | Lopeppeppy | I make no promises this close to Christmas. You be good, and see what arrives in your stocking. |
| 17:11.05 | Nechckn | "[11:46] <+Lopeppeppy> So I have heard. Poor chickens." |
| 17:11.15 | Nechckn | =P |
| 17:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | Read what Lunessa wrote. I think it was males abusing chickens, so I'm cleared of all charges. |
| 17:15.04 | Nechckn | Yikes! |
| 17:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | Quoting out of context often bites you in the behind. :) |
| 17:15.55 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy isn't allowed to get penile cancer, anyway. |
| 17:16.11 | Fisker | yep karl_w_w |
| 17:16.11 | Fisker | old |
| 17:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that would be... awkward to explain to The Boyfriend, you know? |
| 17:17.28 | karl_w_w | frost mages losing fingers of frost |
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| 17:18.22 | Lunessa | … brain explodes … |
| 17:20.39 | bluspacecow | lolz Peppy |
| 17:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | I sowwwy, Lunessa. |
| 17:20.54 | bluspacecow | bad mental images |
| 17:21.27 | Lunessa | Sorry, I just didn't want to think of sweet, innocent Peppy doing Tranny Porn. |
| 17:21.52 | durcyn | "innocent" |
| 17:21.59 | Lunessa | shush you. |
| 17:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | Pure and innocent and sweet, just like the driven snow. |
| 17:22.25 | bluspacecow | *giggles* |
| 17:22.30 | Torhal|work | The driven-on snow? |
| 17:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. You be nice or I'll hang holiday lights in the shower. |
| 17:23.41 | bluspacecow | kinky |
| 17:24.57 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 17:25.08 | Torhal|work | Why would you electrocute bluspacecow? |
| 17:25.18 | Torhal|work | You already rained down drywall... |
| 17:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | He won't come and help me, so he's gonna suffer! |
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| 17:28.22 | Lopeppeppy | Can't wait to be putting that stuff up tomorrow, soooo awesome. |
| 17:28.58 | durcyn | you're hanging gypsum board on your holiday? |
| 17:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | If I can manage it, sure! |
| 17:34.29 | karl_w_w | i can see blizz dont want me playing my mage in mop |
| 17:35.15 | Maldivia | why? |
| 17:35.39 | karl_w_w | atm, they're crap :P |
| 17:36.28 | nevcairiel | blizz dont want you playing, period! |
| 17:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | less mages sounds like a good thing to me |
| 17:36.50 | karl_w_w | nothing new and exciting, except the alter time thing, and they're breaking the only spec i play |
| 17:36.55 | Mr_Rabies | they're like cockroaches now |
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| 17:39.20 | nevcairiel | awesome, resto druids get the mushrooms. :D |
| 17:40.14 | Fisker | mad nevcairiel ? |
| 17:40.25 | nevcairiel | also, Symbiosis sounds like fun |
| 17:40.30 | nevcairiel | wonder wth it gives you |
| 17:40.44 | Maldivia | more interested in what you get :P |
| 17:40.56 | Maldivia | boomkin-warlock... Doomkin ? |
| 17:41.16 | nevcairiel | its just one ability, but yeah, will be interesting for both parties, of course |
| 17:42.16 | Maldivia | and is it class or specialication specific? |
| 17:42.36 | nevcairiel | says "based on their class and combat role" |
| 17:42.55 | nevcairiel | so if you target a healer, you most likely get a healing ability |
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| 17:42.59 | nevcairiel | or something to that effect |
| 17:43.22 | bluspacecow | target a mage = get vending machine ability |
| 17:43.45 | nevcairiel | actually, i read it wrong. It matches it to both your spec and their spec |
| 17:44.04 | Cide | target a resto shaman = shaman becomes useful lol! |
| 17:44.05 | nevcairiel | so you're healer, you get something healy, but the target is mage, wont get something healy |
| 17:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | So if you're a tank and they're a mage, you get... |
| 17:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | Pizza! |
| 17:44.22 | nevcairiel | Cide: why would i do that, nothing useful to gain! |
| 17:44.25 | bluspacecow | yay pizza! |
| 17:44.38 | Cide | this is true |
| 17:44.45 | Cide | but the shaman would get a restokin heal |
| 17:44.51 | Cide | so it would become viable |
| 17:45.12 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 17:45.15 | Fisker | i got my achievement |
| 17:45.21 | Fisker | now i just need elite kills :( |
| 17:45.30 | Dagmar | Oh oh. The author of the Dragonhumpers of Pern series has passed away |
| 17:45.53 | Cide | nice Fisker |
| 17:45.57 | Cide | is it unbugged now |
| 17:46.01 | Cide | or does it just take forever? |
| 17:46.10 | Maldivia | it requires 50 in the same game |
| 17:46.28 | Fisker | you have to pickup 10k in a single game Cide |
| 17:46.29 | Fisker | also |
| 17:46.32 | Cide | oh |
| 17:46.41 | Fisker | you others got the battle.net website as a breaking news as well? |
| 17:46.56 | Fisker | 7k from 100k :O |
| 17:47.08 | Cide | hm? |
| 17:47.14 | Cide | 7k from 100k? |
| 17:47.17 | Fisker | gold |
| 17:47.23 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/EokQE.jpg |
| 17:47.38 | Cide | why can I not find a linux distribution that works... |
| 17:47.43 | Cide | fedora is bugged as shit |
| 17:47.46 | Cide | ubuntu is laggy as shit |
| 17:47.52 | Cide | suggestions? |
| 17:48.04 | Cide | nice, Fisker |
| 17:48.06 | bluspacecow | serious suggestions only ? |
| 17:48.16 | Maldivia | Cide: FreeBSD :P |
| 17:48.17 | Cide | preferably? |
| 17:48.21 | Cide | never |
| 17:48.27 | bluspacecow | kk i'll shut up |
| 17:48.33 | Fisker | i could buy another bank tab |
| 17:48.36 | Fisker | but not sure if want |
| 17:49.09 | bluspacecow | they may do another beta wipe ! |
| 17:49.15 | Fisker | they probably will |
| 17:49.26 | Fisker | and probably before i get the overachiever achievement |
| 17:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | Why are achievements fun in a beta? |
| 17:51.26 | Dagmar | Perhaps instead of merely declaring the thing to be laggy, it might be useful to address the actual problem |
| 17:51.42 | Fisker | why aren't they Lopeppeppy ? |
| 17:51.47 | Dagmar | There's a number of reasons a box might appear "laggy". "Being in a VM" being right at the top of the list |
| 17:52.01 | Cide | naturally, Dagmar |
| 17:52.11 | Cide | if I was asking for tech support I would have been more technical |
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| 17:52.26 | Dagmar | There's also a few NIC drivers that are I suspect, actually made from rabid monkey feces |
| 17:52.27 | Cide | in any case applications randomly freeze for 2-3 seconds |
| 17:52.46 | Cide | but since I run an ati card I have kinda gotten used to linux running like shit so shrug |
| 17:52.59 | Dagmar | Cide: You should try VMWare sometime. There's some things it does that just defy description |
| 17:53.24 | karl_w_w | oh wow, mage armors will have a 3 second cast time |
| 17:53.27 | Dagmar | "Ballooning" being one excellent example of IO and clockcycles just randomly reducing to a mere trickle on a VM |
| 17:53.29 | nevcairiel | who even mentioned a VM? :d |
| 17:53.37 | karl_w_w | where's the sense in it all |
| 17:53.59 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Anything like what Cide was talking about is usually inside a slightly wonky VM environment is why |
| 17:54.31 | Dagmar | On working hardware without incredible load happening, Linux boxes just don't randomly freeze processes for whole seconds no matter what kind of crazy decisions someone made about which scheduler to use |
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| 17:55.15 | Dagmar | There's also some exciting edge cases with power management on CPUs that don't take kindly to having their clock rates diddled rapidly, but most of those CPUs are no longer in use (doesn't really affect any of the 64-bit chips made in the last 5 years afaik) |
| 17:55.39 | harl | [.ffuwuff.] |
| 17:55.51 | haste | ~=[,,_,,]:3 |
| 17:56.30 | Cide | Dagmar: should have seen the fedora 16 bug I had also |
| 17:57.10 | Cide | where any active window would steal every single keyboard and mouse event |
| 17:57.22 | Cide | so I could not change focus (and not even ctrl+alt+del) |
| 17:57.27 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:57.43 | Dagmar | Cide: OMG I'd kill that with fire lol |
| 17:57.43 | Cide | with no active window it all worked fine however |
| 17:58.04 | Dagmar | Modal window behaviours and anything even remotely like them are a pet peeve |
| 17:58.54 | Kraps_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-calculator |
| 17:58.58 | Dagmar | We use a help desk ticketing system here that only runs under IE and likes to pop up a modal window every 9 minutes to warn you you'll be auto-logged out |
| 17:59.12 | Dagmar | I'd like to brutally flog the person responsieble for it |
| 17:59.21 | Fisker | mad? |
| 17:59.48 | Dagmar | Considering sometimes it'll jump up and grab the keyboard while I'm in the middle of typing a freaking 18-character password? |
| 17:59.56 | Dagmar | No, not mad. "Homocidal" |
| 18:00.09 | Fisker | sounds fair |
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| 18:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | I have my wishes that I could even *have* a ticket system. *le sigh* |
| 18:00.16 | Dagmar | Truth |
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| 18:05.56 | bluspacecow | *submits ticket to Peppy "Am I sexy"* |
| 18:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | closes the ticket. "User equipment checks out okay, no problems found." |
| 18:06.35 | Dagmar | heh |
| 18:07.07 | Fisker | burps |
| 18:07.26 | Dagmar | $wpdb->query("I"."NSERT INTO <-- doesn't look suspicious, at all |
| 18:09.49 | Nechckn | Blah.. talent revamp is rather boring... perhaps a bit easier to figure out for some, but takes so much of the 'cusom' feel out of the game. |
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| 18:11.32 | amro | Nechckn: no, it only takes away the illusion |
| 18:12.06 | amro | now some of the choices are actual choices and you get real customization |
| 18:12.09 | Kraps_w | hey at least everything is equal now! :p |
| 18:12.09 | Nechckn | Yeah, I guess... |
| 18:12.22 | amro | none of that "I'm role X so I haev to go Y/Z/W" |
| 18:15.09 | Fisker | yay |
| 18:15.13 | Fisker | steam sales are up |
| 18:15.44 | Kraps_w | i bout arkham city yesterday |
| 18:15.49 | Kraps_w | bought |
| 18:16.10 | Nechckn | likes Steam sales! |
| 18:16.18 | Nechckn | Will have to take a gander |
| 18:16.21 | Fisker | poor soul Kraps_w |
| 18:18.11 | Kraps_w | good so far |
| 18:18.44 | starlon | gobbles. |
| 18:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | That's... interesting slang you're using there... |
| 18:21.07 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:21.12 | haste | Fisker |
| 18:21.13 | Fisker | i need a time travelling machine |
| 18:21.31 | nevcairiel | i can give you one, but it only goes into the future |
| 18:21.39 | nevcairiel | you cannot come back |
| 18:22.03 | Fisker | that would be acceptable |
| 18:22.05 | Lunessa | Ugh. Day before a holiday, and someone snafus the email server. *sigh* |
| 18:22.16 | Fisker | and it needs to not be initiated by physical trauma or otherwise unconciousness |
| 18:22.20 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: whiffle bat them |
| 18:22.37 | Lunessa | Um, yeah, about that… Can I use a real bat? |
| 18:22.46 | Arrowmaster | whiffle bats are more fun |
| 18:22.53 | Arrowmaster | the beatings can last much much longer |
| 18:23.29 | Nechckn | Aww... that bites... |
| 18:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, use a real bat, with NAILS in it. |
| 18:23.41 | Nechckn | If they expect you to fix it, that is. |
| 18:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | They should know better than to do actual *work* the day before a holiday. |
| 18:26.38 | Lunessa | Someone mangled up all the CSS for our OWA install, and something else needed fixing, so they rebooted the front-end/loadbalancers… and … now I have a tons of calls and freaked out people. |
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| 18:27.26 | Lopeppeppy | They touched a CSS on what is effectively a Friday? For shame! |
| 18:27.48 | nevcairiel | friday? today is wednesday |
| 18:27.54 | foxlit | it's friday |
| 18:27.56 | foxlit | friday |
| 18:27.57 | foxlit | friday? |
| 18:28.00 | foxlit | in the us |
| 18:28.08 | nevcairiel | who cares about the us |
| 18:28.21 | foxlit | no one besides the people there, presumably |
| 18:28.27 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 18:28.45 | amro | that's what you want to believe |
| 18:28.49 | Arrowmaster | we dont care about it most the time though |
| 18:28.50 | nevcairiel | also, i already hate them for having a holiday, because that means that most of my tv series probably wont air |
| 18:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa and I care, obviously. :) |
| 18:29.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: No, someone mangled the CSS earlier in the week. |
| 18:29.58 | Lunessa | They were just 'fixing' that and something else (that they didn't specify) and for like 30 minutes… NO EMAIL! |
| 18:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oh for the sake of cats. |
| 18:30.14 | Arrowmaster | hmm i think i may have to do a full wipe of my phone soon, i keep finding it in the sleep of death and have to pull the battery |
| 18:30.42 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: how does changing CSS break email? |
| 18:31.06 | foxlit | mail {deliver: none} |
| 18:31.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:31.13 | durcyn | pretty easily if it's a content services switch load balancer in front of a webmail instance |
| 18:31.19 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: In itself, it doesn't. It just removed our customizations to OWA. |
| 18:31.22 | durcyn | not all of your abbreviations mean what you think they do |
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| 18:32.04 | Lopeppeppy | I could say the same thing right back at ya. :) |
| 18:33.55 | durcyn | apparently so |
| 18:33.57 | foxlit | OWA is clearly Occupy Wall Avenue |
| 18:35.05 | starlon | Occupy Wide Area |
| 18:35.23 | Lunessa | OWA = Outlook Web Access for Exchange, CSS in this case is Cascading Style Sheet. |
| 18:35.34 | Arrowmaster | eww outlook |
| 18:35.42 | Cide | * { display: none; } |
| 18:35.50 | Cide | remove that and it will work |
| 18:35.54 | Cide | protip |
| 18:36.05 | Fisker | Lunessa wouldn't that be OWAFECSITCICCSS? |
| 18:36.13 | Fisker | hides |
| 18:36.23 | Fisker | also missing an I |
| 18:36.25 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke fisker |
| 18:36.25 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around fisker with his mind powers. |
| 18:36.25 | Fisker | but still |
| 18:36.43 | Fisker | can't nuke what you can't see |
| 18:36.43 | Cide | you also have an extra S |
| 18:36.45 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 18:36.55 | Fisker | oh damn Cide |
| 18:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 18:37.02 | purl | :), Lopeppeppy |
| 18:37.14 | Fisker | purl, gtfo |
| 18:37.14 | purl | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. |
| 18:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, be nice! Jeez, you big bully. |
| 18:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, happy happy turkey day, I get to leave at 2! *snoopy dance* |
| 18:40.16 | Lunessa | Yay for you Lopeppeppy. I work until 6, then off until 8am on Saturday. |
| 18:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *hug* |
| 18:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'm home all day on Thursday, hanging the lights, if you need company! |
| 18:42.32 | Cairenn | wants turkey! |
| 18:42.43 | starlon | gobble gobble |
| 18:43.26 | starlon | I'm more excited about the green bean caserole. |
| 18:43.26 | Arrowmaster | we just gave away the turkey thats been in our freezer since last year and got another one for free |
| 18:43.51 | Arrowmaster | and are wondering if we will get another free one tonight |
| 18:44.04 | starlon | Bingo? |
| 18:44.04 | amro | you had it for a year and you never cooked anything out of it? |
| 18:44.06 | foxlit | "Nozdormu captures all players within a finite timeloop" |
| 18:44.15 | amro | you'd better have a good explanation, like free chicken every day |
| 18:44.19 | foxlit | I wonder what a finite timeloop is, and how it compares to an infinite timeloop. |
| 18:44.29 | Arrowmaster | its a fucking frozen turkey, you have to plan when to thaw and cook it |
| 18:44.45 | amro | as it turns out, people eat on a daily basis |
| 18:44.55 | Arrowmaster | we were going to deep fry it over the summer but it never happened |
| 18:45.02 | Nechckn | Lights, as in Christmas ones, Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:45.03 | Cide | foxlit: I would assume people outside the timeloop experience regular time |
| 18:45.19 | Cide | and so a finite timeloop could be one that expires after a finite amount of time as measured by somebody outside the timeloop |
| 18:45.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Nechckn. Although I don't celebrate Christmas, I adore blinky-lights. |
| 18:45.36 | amro | is that just fancy talk for a stun? |
| 18:45.45 | Cide | whereas an infinite timeloop would be one that exists indefinitely outside the timeloop itself as well |
| 18:45.54 | Cide | amro: I don't believe so |
| 18:45.59 | Cide | but I didn't research the encounters yet |
| 18:46.05 | Nechckn | Ah... was just curious. We do ours on Friday, since Thursday is busy with face-stuffing. =) |
| 18:46.14 | amro | bah, it's just more repackaged bullshit |
| 18:46.38 | amro | it's still going to be the same dance with different music |
| 18:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | It's just me, Nechckn. There's no cooking, no face-stuffing. I do crafts and housework, like any weekend day. |
| 18:47.12 | Cide | while that may be true for several bosses I liked the ping pong |
| 18:47.38 | amro | right, now ask yourself if that makes up for the rest of the grind' |
| 18:47.44 | Cide | it does |
| 18:47.58 | Cide | I have no problem seeing several reused mechanics |
| 18:48.02 | Cide | every boss still poses new challenges |
| 18:48.19 | amro | nah, just new steps |
| 18:48.26 | Cide | and? |
| 18:48.47 | Cide | as long as I can't go in and oneshot a new dungeon it's new enough for me |
| 18:48.55 | Cide | especially when the heroics last quite a bit longer |
| 18:49.09 | amro | if you say so |
| 18:49.13 | Cide | I do |
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| 18:50.32 | amro | a new sudoku puzzle is still a sudoku puzzle. give it a few less starter hints to make it harder, it's still the same thing |
| 18:50.37 | amro | you do it once and you're done |
| 18:50.55 | Cide | that is not even close to a valid analogy |
| 18:51.10 | amro | it is for the point I was trying to make |
| 18:51.14 | amro | you just missed it |
| 18:51.22 | Cide | then it was a /bad/ analogy |
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| 18:51.30 | amro | no, you're just missing the point |
| 18:51.38 | Cide | then you're not explaining your point clearly enough |
| 18:51.50 | amro | [19:48] <Cide> as long as I can't go in and oneshot a new dungeon it's new enough for me |
| 18:52.01 | Cide | so you're trying to say that you disagree |
| 18:52.03 | Cide | then simply say so |
| 18:52.27 | amro | I think that's quite clear |
| 18:52.36 | amro | if I meant to say you're wrong, I would say Cide you're wrong motherfucker |
| 18:52.50 | Cide | you still did not explain your sudoku analogy |
| 18:53.02 | Fisker | you're wrong motherfucker :( |
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| 18:53.38 | amro | the challenge is only there because of the unknown in a sudoku puzzle. once you go through it, that's it |
| 18:53.50 | amro | minus dumbasses who can't do their shit, that's the same challenge in raids |
| 18:54.02 | amro | yuo die because you don't know, and once you know, you newegg |
| 18:54.04 | Cide | except every encounter has unique rules |
| 18:54.08 | amro | er, I think I may have lost my thoughts there |
| 18:54.10 | Cide | that is not true of sudoku puzzles |
| 18:54.36 | Cide | naturally if you dig deep enough you will find similarities |
| 18:54.37 | amro | again, you're missing the point. I was only making the analogy with regards to how hard it is the first time, and how it's much easier once you do it |
| 18:54.46 | Cide | of course |
| 18:54.46 | amro | I never said anything about WHY it's easier |
| 18:54.58 | Cide | once you kill a boss, a repeat kill is much simpler |
| 18:55.17 | foxlit | Cide: out of interest, why? |
| 18:55.18 | Cide | it's the initial challenge that I like |
| 18:55.23 | Cide | why it's easier? |
| 18:55.44 | foxlit | indeed. |
| 18:56.04 | amro | because the game is easy |
| 18:56.06 | Cide | for one it takes a while to develop a viable strategy |
| 18:56.06 | Arrowmaster | Cide: except for bosses like chromag and nef |
| 18:56.14 | amro | if you know what to do, all you have to do is hit the buttons in order |
| 18:56.22 | Cide | for two it takes a while to get people to execute it properly |
| 18:56.28 | foxlit | My personal experience that I'm doing basically the same thing on attempts 3 through N |
| 18:56.32 | amro | the second part isn't relevant unless you want to be a drillmaster |
| 18:56.38 | Cide | yes, foxlit |
| 18:56.55 | Cide | I subscribe to the notion that I would have killed heroic ragnaros months ago if my group consisted of 10 cides |
| 18:56.57 | Cide | but it doesn't |
| 18:57.12 | Cide | and so I get to wipe endlessly until people figure out their shit |
| 18:57.43 | Cide | but after you have developed a viable strategy it takes time for all 10/25 people to execute it properly, whatever their duty |
| 18:57.58 | amro | yeah, but that's an implementation detail as far as I'm concerned |
| 18:58.09 | Cide | because ultimately a given encounter is more or less identical every time you execute it |
| 18:58.33 | Cide | and while that may be your point amro, I don't think it detracts from the initial challenge and entertainment one bit |
| 18:58.55 | amro | oh, I'm discussing this from a game design POV |
| 18:59.08 | amro | dicking around in crossroads is fun if you have 10 people on voice chat |
| 18:59.09 | Cide | that part wasn't very clear |
| 18:59.29 | Cide | but I think encounters would be very unforgiving if you changed the rules every attempt |
| 18:59.55 | Cide | for instance it would take forever to clear firelands if you were to encounter a random boss every attempt |
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| 18:59.59 | amro | you're assuming that's all you change, in which case you'd be correct |
| 19:00.04 | amro | blizzard designed themselves into a corner |
| 19:00.09 | amro | years ago in fact. they can't change raids |
| 19:00.17 | foxlit | wait, game design POV? Raiding is masochism to begin with |
| 19:00.48 | amro | raiding has its merits from a game design pov, which cide has been advocating |
| 19:00.50 | foxlit | precisely because of this "waiting for other people to get things" element |
| 19:01.04 | amro | but it's wrapped in so much bullshit that what you get is very little compared to what you should be getting |
| 19:02.45 | amro | mostly the fact that underneath the strategy there's absolutely nothing, which is why 99% of fights are only fun when you're wiping and tweaking the strategy |
| 19:04.03 | Cide | well for heroic ragnaros execution is pretty difficult also |
| 19:05.18 | amro | in a non-interesting way I'd imagine, like everything else in wow that manages to be hard |
| 19:05.24 | amro | I haven't done rag though |
| 19:05.37 | amro | btu I don't see anything interesting happening with wow's engine and rules |
| 19:05.53 | Cide | yes, I know you subscribe to that notion :P |
| 19:06.09 | amro | usually, 'hard' is just 'unforgiving' |
| 19:06.29 | amro | you don't? |
| 19:06.43 | Cide | I think the engine and rules make for several interesting mechanics |
| 19:06.59 | Cide | some are quite old, indeed, but still decently interesting |
| 19:07.10 | Cide | it's quite difficult to juggle World in Flames, Molten Elementals and Sulfuras Smash |
| 19:07.28 | Cide | if you screw up any of them you die, granted, which is very unforgiving |
| 19:07.50 | amro | that's exactly the philosophy that I think takes so much away from the players |
| 19:07.56 | Cide | but it's not "trivial and unforgiving", it's "difficult and unforgiving" |
| 19:08.02 | Cide | same as most platform games, for instance |
| 19:08.08 | Cide | (super meat boy anyone?) |
| 19:08.19 | amro | you have to follow the script. there's no deviation. there's no being such a badass motherfucker that you sit in a void and survive, or whatever |
| 19:08.36 | Cide | whereas rogue clones are usually easy on paper but extremely unforgiving |
| 19:08.39 | amro | so yes it can be hard, like guitar hero can be hard |
| 19:08.44 | Cide | one slipup and back to chapter 1 you go |
| 19:09.04 | Cide | how would you do that without trivializing it though |
| 19:09.18 | amro | oh, you wouldn't, not in the state wow is in |
| 19:09.26 | Cide | I mean in any game |
| 19:09.32 | amro | I'm speaking in general terms. there's too much shit that feeds into raids and affects how they work |
| 19:09.42 | amro | plenty of ways |
| 19:09.45 | Cide | if you can just buff up and decide to sit in a mechanic designed to hurt you, how is it ever going to be difficult? |
| 19:10.10 | amro | well voids were the first thing that came to my mind, but yeah let's stick to it |
| 19:10.27 | amro | if you can buff up to the point where you survive it, it means (presumably) that you're sacrificing a lot elsewhere |
| 19:10.32 | amro | such as DPS |
| 19:10.39 | amro | so you trivialize voids, but now you have another problem |
| 19:11.00 | amro | wow doesn't let you do that. there's one way, maybe to to the finish line |
| 19:11.05 | amro | two* |
| 19:11.28 | amro | but like I said, I'm not suggesting this be done for wow now. too many things would have to be changed |
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| 19:13.06 | amro | I'm just not a fan of X heal, Y DPS, Z tank, and mostly binary avoidance for environmental shit like voids. they shuffle up those mechanics and call it a new fight for the most part |
| 19:13.38 | durcyn | and you pay them for it |
| 19:13.48 | amro | I don't |
| 19:14.19 | amro | but whether I do or not isn't relevant |
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| 19:14.52 | amro | trouble is, they can't do anything interesting with class mechanics because we all know what happens when you need classes A B but don't need C for a raid |
| 19:14.58 | amro | somebody's gonna wait by the portal |
| 19:15.44 | Dagmar | That's mainly an issue with thickwitted players nowadays |
| 19:15.51 | amro | they'd be able to get away with more interesting shit if their class system wasn't min/max based, and had true customization |
| 19:15.58 | amro | what do you mean Dagmar? |
| 19:16.07 | Dagmar | They made pretty good progess with their "bring hte player, not the class" initiative |
| 19:16.56 | amro | actually it's more like "bring the role, not the class" |
| 19:16.57 | Gnarfoz | ...which they abolished again, already (i.e. it doesn't apply for heroic mode, by their own admission) |
| 19:17.01 | Dagmar | ...but when raid leaders are dimwitted about it and try to engineer things to just max DPS and say to hell with everything else like reliability or the ability to compensate for unpleasant suprises or minor things going wrong, then shit breaks |
| 19:17.36 | Dagmar | They whine that the game is too simple and an equally large issue is that they engineered their raid group to _be_ simple |
| 19:17.45 | amro | Dagmar: well, I wasn't talking about specific buffs. I mean a mechanic like that slime in AQ, where you need frost spells. a super cool mechanic, but try that with a 10 man raid |
| 19:18.06 | Dagmar | What, it was immune to everything but frost? |
| 19:18.10 | Gnarfoz | frost effects |
| 19:18.10 | foxlit | amro: that was cool why, exactly? |
| 19:18.12 | Gnarfoz | not spells |
| 19:18.27 | amro | you had to freeze up the mob with frost spells |
| 19:18.28 | Gnarfoz | i.e. you didn't need mages or shaman ;) |
| 19:18.30 | amro | then you had to shatter it |
| 19:18.34 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you had to hit it with a number of frost effects, damage didnt mean anything |
| 19:18.37 | amro | then you dps'd the little shits that came out |
| 19:18.37 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:18.55 | amro | foxlit: I'm gonna be a dick and say it's cool because of the frost |
| 19:19.01 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowpedia.org/Viscidus |
| 19:19.05 | foxlit | Clearly a pun there. |
| 19:19.13 | amro | yeah, I'm such a smart guy. |
| 19:19.14 | foxlit | But anyway, I'd contend that that mechanic was moronic |
| 19:19.19 | Arrowmaster | so casters all brought frost wands, and everybody else would bring weapons with frost damage procs |
| 19:19.25 | Dagmar | I can see where that one might be a problem, but it's not like fire mages are forbidden by law to cast frost spells or they'll be banned from the game |
| 19:19.36 | amro | no, see what Arrowmaster said |
| 19:19.38 | Dagmar | If damage doesn't matter the newbie frostbolt would work |
| 19:19.47 | Lunessa | That mechanic made that a "skip that headache" boss. |
| 19:19.52 | amro | the way players optimize for fights breaks this kind of mechanic |
| 19:19.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah mages would either wand or chain rank1 frost spells |
| 19:20.09 | durcyn | visc was optional to start with, for a reason |
| 19:20.22 | Dagmar | I know my ex has a frost mage and she'd practiclaly throw a fit about frost-immune mobs |
| 19:20.37 | foxlit | the reason being that their AQ design was "RESISTANCE CHECKS ARE COOL, GUYS!" |
| 19:20.39 | amro | indeed durcyn, they just can't have that kind of mechanic in wow |
| 19:20.48 | Lunessa | There are all kinds of "that would be neat" or "that makes sense" or "that might be cool" things that they could do, but don't work well as game mechanics. |
| 19:20.57 | Dagmar | She'd stand there and _not cast_ rather than stoop to casting a fire spell unless I fussed at her |
| 19:21.04 | amro | it depends on the game Lunessa |
| 19:21.09 | foxlit | Honestly, the Tear of Elune part of the Archimonde fight > Visc. |
| 19:21.14 | Dagmar | On my hunter if it doesn't say "IMMUNE" in big letters, I just keep shooting |
| 19:21.34 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: except for it being buggy |
| 19:21.49 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: works for me(tm) |
| 19:21.57 | Arrowmaster | i died many times on archimonde and had combat logs showing that i gained the buff but still went splat |
| 19:22.02 | durcyn | anyone who ever claims tears of elune were buggy is a terrible player who fucked it up, the end |
| 19:22.08 | foxlit | so gain the buff sooner |
| 19:22.22 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 19:22.23 | amro | you just need balance in the design. a very very simple example: dps. if you need X dps, it doesn't matter how you get it, dps is dps, that's why you get whatever dps classes as long as it all adds up to what you need |
| 19:22.25 | Dagmar | How much longer after gaining hte buff tho |
| 19:22.38 | amro | mkaing things add up to what you need with a design like visc isn't easy, and in a game like wow it's not really doable |
| 19:22.46 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: multiple seconds |
| 19:23.00 | Dagmar | Hmm... that sounds like a bug. I was hoping for a race condition explanation. Oh well |
| 19:23.10 | Arrowmaster | i think it was a lag condition |
| 19:23.17 | foxlit | It gave you like a multi-second slow fall buff |
| 19:23.20 | Dagmar | Well that would be a race condition |
| 19:23.23 | foxlit | And reset your fall damage |
| 19:23.44 | foxlit | You could click the thing like 3 seconds before you'd hit the ground, and still survive. |
| 19:23.46 | Gnarfoz | amro, it's funny how you keep saying "the way wow works, you can't do X", then you follow up with "if the game mechanics were different, then!", but so far you haven't made any suggestion what "different" could actually be |
| 19:24.06 | Gnarfoz | so please, make an example |
| 19:24.07 | amro | Gnarfoz: I could get into it, but it's a really long list and we wouldn't be takling about wow anymore |
| 19:24.16 | Gnarfoz | of course we wouldn't, isn't that your entire point |
| 19:24.37 | Cide | I think amro has a point but I think wow's design is sufficiently open to still allow for interesting mechanics |
| 19:24.50 | Dagmar | "This problem wouldn't exist if we could buy Ultra Balls from pokevendors" |
| 19:24.51 | Cide | but naturally it is constrained, but so is every other design in other ways |
| 19:25.01 | Cide | so /shrug |
| 19:25.02 | amro | indeed Cide |
| 19:25.20 | Cide | take magicka's design |
| 19:25.23 | Cide | pretty cool concept |
| 19:25.25 | Lunessa | Resistance checks are an example of "interesting idea, doesn't work out in practice" mechanic. |
| 19:25.34 | Cide | but after a while you just did QWASASD or whatever the combo was |
| 19:25.36 | Cide | and kill everything |
| 19:26.31 | Gnarfoz | what do you mean by "doesn't work out"? "is not popular"? |
| 19:26.49 | Cide | amro: I also managed to get cmake to work the way I want |
| 19:26.51 | amro | Gnarfoz: here's an example: heal efficiency. the way the game is now, healers have better heal efficiency. which means if you're a dps and you have the choice between more dps or more survival, you go more dps |
| 19:26.54 | Cide | but it was fucking ugly |
| 19:26.56 | amro | the entire game is minmaxed like this |
| 19:27.03 | amro | you pick your role and you max the shit out of it |
| 19:27.20 | amro | so there's no interesting middle ground for you to be getting survival shit on a dps or healer |
| 19:27.38 | amro | you just max your primary, and it works out better than anything else assuming all of your raid is doing the same |
| 19:27.40 | Gnarfoz | and now, your example for how doing this differently would make a game more interesting |
| 19:27.55 | Gnarfoz | you're back to pointing out how utterly limited wow is |
| 19:28.15 | Lunessa | What I mean is that if you require people to gear for resist over their other stats, they don't gear for it. If you give the resists + their other stats, why bother needing the resists? If you want they to carry multiple gear sets, why why make inventory space a part of the game mechanics? It's just an idea that seems like it will be cool, but just makes for unappealing game-play. |
| 19:28.17 | amro | yes. you don't think it would be more interesting if you could get stuff like ice barrier for raiding? |
| 19:28.55 | foxlit | fixed by making all talents equally useless. |
| 19:28.56 | amro | Lunessa: yeah, it just ends up being a static hurdle |
| 19:29.16 | amro | that's indeed how they're fixing it foxlit |
| 19:29.32 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: uhm... "if you require people to gear for resist over their other stats... THEY DO IT" |
| 19:29.35 | Gnarfoz | not "they don't do it" |
| 19:29.36 | foxlit | Having said that, I have no problem with the new talents |
| 19:29.39 | foxlit | They seem kind of awesome |
| 19:29.43 | Cide | I like the new talent trees |
| 19:29.46 | Cide | but I feel like they should complement the old ones, not replace |
| 19:30.02 | amro | maybe Cide, but I get the idea that they don't have a clue how to fix the old trees |
| 19:30.08 | amro | at least now they figured out what was wrong with them |
| 19:30.13 | Cide | the current trees are not really broken |
| 19:30.21 | amro | I'm super excited about the talent revamp, hoping they design good tiers |
| 19:30.24 | Cide | they just didn't accomplish what they wanted |
| 19:30.25 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: No, only if you require it for EVERYTHING. If you just need it for one fight, you end up with the gear + inventory mechanic struggle. |
| 19:30.37 | Gnarfoz | amro: so, by extension (me getting Ice Barrier resulting in me being able to avoid more damage than others in the raid, hence healers having to be aware of this and heal me less, thus making their job more complicated), you're saying more complicated = more interesting? |
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| 19:30.51 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: sure, but that doesn't make it an ineffective mechanic? |
| 19:31.05 | Lunessa | No, it makes it an unappealing/unfun mechanic. |
| 19:31.17 | Gnarfoz | so, <Gnarfoz> what do you mean by "doesn't work out"? "is not popular"? |
| 19:31.18 | amro | Gnarfoz: 1) yes 2) you'd have the CHOICE then. you can do it simple if that's how you like it |
| 19:31.30 | amro | but the point is that you'd then have 10 strategies to beat a fight, not 1 |
| 19:31.59 | Gnarfoz | if "heal X less than everyone else" is a different strategy ._. |
| 19:32.14 | amro | bring X less healers IS a different strategy |
| 19:32.18 | Gnarfoz | well, I guess it's just the result of the example that that doesn't quite result in different strategies |
| 19:32.36 | Lunessa | If you're going to need a frost resist/arcane resist/fire resist/nature resist set for special bosses… how soon do your players say "fuck this dungeon, I'll do something else"? I can tell you how it went for the 172 people in my TBC guild. They said "Fuck this" right away and went to play something else. |
| 19:32.46 | foxlit | you cannot really compare ice barrier to a healer |
| 19:32.50 | amro | rush teh fight with super dps is a strategy. take it slow and safe with extra healers is another strategy |
| 19:32.53 | Gnarfoz | except that, of course, ONE player taking less damage doesn't result in bringing less healerS, just the ones that are there healing less |
| 19:33.01 | foxlit | It's so laughably insignificant |
| 19:33.06 | amro | again, you're assuming that ice barrier is the piece of shit that it is now |
| 19:33.10 | Gnarfoz | amro: so? that kind of choice can be made in wow today, too |
| 19:33.11 | amro | and we're back to if the game mechanics were different |
| 19:33.51 | amro | Gnarfoz: nah it can't. you still need min dps for some fights, and min healing for others and there's nothing you can do to go below those limits |
| 19:34.28 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: your "guild" (172 people != one raid) apparently didn't have any drive to kill raid bosses, then? resist fights were in the game up to TBC's end... |
| 19:34.43 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Doesn |
| 19:34.44 | Gnarfoz | amro: min healing? min healing in X time, you mean. and tadah, you can. |
| 19:34.52 | Lunessa | Doesn't make my case or point any less valid. |
| 19:35.19 | Gnarfoz | your point was my point, I'm not sure why you even elucidated :p |
| 19:35.20 | amro | Gnarfoz: change what I mean to say and then tell me it's wrong, sure |
| 19:35.34 | Gnarfoz | I can only read what you say, not your mind (i.e. what you meant to say) |
| 19:35.37 | Gnarfoz | amro: check out the BlizzCon 2011 live raid |
| 19:35.42 | Lunessa | People flocked to the fights they could do without resist gearing and skipped or ignored content because it was more annoying than it was worth. ergo, the mechanic didn't work to make the game more interesting. |
| 19:36.10 | amro | what about it? |
| 19:36.17 | Gnarfoz | they're doing shit differently than they normally would, too, increasing dps to unsafe levels, sacrificing healers |
| 19:37.18 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: flocked to fights? raids were mostly linear. bailing out because you can't be bothered to craft shadow resist gear means just that: they didn't actually care ;) (and again, it being unpopular was exactly my understanding of what you said, even before you elaborated) |
| 19:37.27 | amro | on a much much much smaller scale than what I'm talking about |
| 19:38.01 | Lunessa | let me reduce this for you… Unpopular can also mean DOES NOT WORK. |
| 19:38.13 | Lunessa | But that's not the entirety of my argument. |
| 19:38.21 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm curious then what your intended scale would be. 1 to 10 healers, 2-20 dps, 5-15 $roleThatDoesn'tExistInWoW - and you can still beat the encounter? |
| 19:38.24 | amro | so, you can do the fight 3 different ways. I'll be generous, you can do it 5 ways. it's still less than 15+ ways you should be able to given all the damn information and choices in the game |
| 19:38.42 | amro | and it's not just raid composition, that was just an example that I was giving |
| 19:38.49 | amro | we could talk about this all week |
| 19:39.09 | amro | if you're arguing that you can't have more choices in a game than wow provides, I don't know what to say |
| 19:39.21 | Gnarfoz | well, I'd like that, if it wouldn't take so long to keep you on the "your ideas" side of things, not the "wow can't do it because X" side |
| 19:39.56 | amro | wow can't do it because of certain things, those are facts |
| 19:41.01 | amro | if your raid isn't beating say patchwerk, you can't show up as a tanky mage. you wanna be a tanky mage too fucking bad, spec your dumbass for dps |
| 19:41.03 | Gnarfoz | have you thought about starting a game company or applying to one, btw, or do you just enjoy the mental challenge |
| 19:41.21 | amro | I'm currently developing a game, and I do enjoy the mental challenge |
| 19:41.32 | Gnarfoz | good for you, both =) |
| 19:41.35 | amro | thanks |
| 19:43.12 | Gnarfoz | it's an interesting point of thought... "what if wow was a lot more flexible" (which invevitably results in heightended complexity in groups)... would it have been as successful as it has? even more so? or would 10M people now be playing something else |
| 19:44.51 | amro | I've wondered that actually, and the truth is I don't have a clue |
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| 19:46.21 | amro | I don't think it would have mattered much. wow started exlpoding back when it was still pretty hardcore. I think it succeeded on polish, proper market timing and just snowballing from there |
| 19:46.26 | amro | but yeah I'm talking out of my ass here |
| 19:47.35 | Fisker | a |
| 19:50.01 | amro | Cide: re cmake, how? |
| 19:54.04 | Shadowed | Torhal: ping |
| 19:56.01 | Shadowed | actually I guess wowace is faster |
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| 19:57.51 | Cairenn | waves, "Later all, taking my Mom and Dad to see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra's concert as an early Christmas gifty." |
| 19:58.20 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: have fun |
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| 20:19.48 | Lunessa | Worth a watch: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-diablo-iii-marketplace |
| 20:24.00 | Cide | amro: http://pastebin.ca/2095062 |
| 20:24.44 | Cide | pretty ugly -_- |
| 20:24.50 | Cide | but it works |
| 20:28.33 | amro | Cide: I don't get it |
| 20:28.40 | amro | that gets organized folders in msvc? |
| 20:28.44 | Cide | no |
| 20:28.49 | Cide | I switched to linux |
| 20:29.03 | Cide | I have all my games on windows so I can't work there .. |
| 20:29.11 | amro | I'm in the same boat |
| 20:29.16 | amro | but what does that do? |
| 20:29.20 | amro | I mean |
| 20:29.33 | amro | you can avoid the for loops and just do SET(FOO_SRC foo/blah foo/blah2) |
| 20:29.44 | Kraps_w | ahhhh i found an email i sent blizzard asking about account security before i signed up |
| 20:30.03 | Cide | then each folder needs to know its full path from the project root |
| 20:30.16 | Cide | or each CMakeLists.txt I mean |
| 20:30.22 | amro | no |
| 20:30.28 | amro | it only needs to know the paths from the cmakelistst |
| 20:30.30 | amro | -t |
| 20:30.32 | amro | that its defined in |
| 20:30.45 | Cide | no? |
| 20:30.49 | amro | foo/CMakelists.txt references a "bar", cmake checks foo/bar.cpp |
| 20:30.50 | Cide | if it defines a target yes |
| 20:30.57 | Cide | but this is all for the same target |
| 20:31.22 | amro | oh I see what you mean, you define parts of a target in separate makelists |
| 20:31.27 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:31.42 | amro | but why? you just end up cluttering the place with CMakeLists.txt |
| 20:31.47 | amro | you can organize using varnames |
| 20:32.08 | Cide | I don't like the idea of a big monolithic CMakeLists.txt in the root I guess |
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| 20:32.19 | Cide | seems more organized to let each folder manage its own files |
| 20:33.19 | amro | what's the point if they're not independant though? |
| 20:33.28 | amro | I see your point, but I think it will just bite you in the ass in practice |
| 20:34.03 | amro | or maybe there's a way to make an object target (.o or .obj) and make it link them at the end? |
| 20:34.08 | Cide | independent how? |
| 20:34.18 | amro | as in you can compile a folder without all the others |
| 20:34.29 | amro | if it depends on the main cmakelists.txt, it might as well be in there |
| 20:34.38 | Cide | shrug |
| 20:34.47 | Cide | maybe |
| 20:34.54 | amro | well, it's the same thing I guess, you're just typing in different places |
| 20:34.55 | Cide | maybe I'll go back to that, not sure |
| 20:35.49 | amro | here's something else you can do: set a var with paths to your various folders as search paths |
| 20:35.59 | amro | then sub cmakelists doesn't need to know the full path |
| 20:36.13 | amro | not clean, but cleaner than FOREACH imo |
| 20:36.26 | Cide | laggy fucking piece of shit ubuntu |
| 20:36.27 | Cide | grrrrr |
| 20:36.57 | Kraps_w | use windows |
| 20:37.29 | amro | I'm sure I told you already, but get kdevelop |
| 20:37.42 | amro | it natively supports CMakeLists.txt and it's so much better than msvc |
| 20:39.43 | Cide | I know |
| 20:39.51 | Cide | gonna try fedora with kde I guess |
| 20:39.57 | Cide | brb in an eternity |
| 20:40.09 | amro | kubuntu is fine imo |
| 20:40.17 | Cide | not when it lags like shit |
| 20:40.27 | amro | lags how? |
| 20:40.29 | Cide | pidgin froze and I had to reboot |
| 20:40.37 | Cide | programs randomly freeze and the whole system gets unstable |
| 20:40.48 | amro | tried disabling compositing? |
| 20:40.52 | amro | sounds like a pos driver |
| 20:40.57 | Cide | f that |
| 20:41.00 | Cide | brb |
| 20:41.05 | amro | ok |
| 20:43.27 | mikma | http://youtu.be/1ifEeKW20AY?t=4m54s |
| 20:47.49 | amro | mikma: that's awesome |
| 20:48.03 | Fisker | no! |
| 20:48.07 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/VbS8W.jpg |
| 20:48.07 | Fisker | awesome |
| 20:49.15 | Kraps_w | hey Fisker |
| 20:49.21 | Fisker | hey Kraps_w |
| 20:49.24 | Fisker | hey Kraps_w |
| 20:49.32 | Kraps_w | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 20:50.06 | Kraps_w | listen |
| 21:14.44 | Cide | my view of :3 will never be the same |
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| 21:17.39 | Fisker | exactly Cide |
| 21:33.51 | amro | it's only a matter of time before 4chan catches up with the rest of the smiley |
| 21:33.52 | amro | s |
| 21:49.30 | Maldivia | hmm... so google music, you can upload 20000 files of your own files, if 320kbit that's about 10mb/file, that's 200gb... why is gmail still limited to 7 gb then? |
| 21:50.54 | Fisker | because Maldivia |
| 21:50.55 | Fisker | your mom |
| 21:50.57 | Fisker | and also |
| 21:51.07 | Fisker | they're expecting most of those files to match their local copies |
| 21:51.09 | Fisker | = bam |
| 21:51.10 | nevcairiel | probably because thats also 20000 emails, not limiting by size, but by count! |
| 21:52.35 | Fisker | no bam? :( |
| 21:52.42 | nevcairiel | never bam |
| 21:52.46 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 21:57.48 | Fisker | i'm mad nevcairiel |
| 22:00.15 | durcyn | google isn't doing matching yet, though |
| 22:00.33 | durcyn | and how are you going to deduplicate everyone's music when the metadata is guaranteed to be mismatched |
| 22:00.53 | Fisker | how do you know it's not doing matching yet? |
| 22:01.11 | Fisker | also i guess audio analysis? |
| 22:01.27 | Fisker | i mean at first it probably just does an ID3 tag match or something |
| 22:01.31 | Fisker | but eventually goes through the files |
| 22:01.47 | durcyn | acoustic fingerprinting isn't 100% either |
| 22:02.00 | durcyn | and i'm guessing based on how loudly the labels shit themselves over apple doing it |
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| 22:02.31 | Fisker | well google is saying they're already doing it |
| 22:03.41 | durcyn | link |
| 22:04.09 | Fisker | they said it during their google music reveal |
| 22:04.22 | Fisker | "If the program knows your song the "upload will be quicker"" |
| 22:04.30 | Fisker | we obviously know what "the upload will be quicker" means |
| 22:04.42 | durcyn | only fanboys watch google product announcements |
| 22:04.45 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 22:04.47 | Fisker | sorry |
| 22:04.48 | Arrowmaster | tell me when i can upload some shitty mp3 rip i pirated^H^H^H^H^H^H^H quickly ripped and get a perfect flac rip back and then ill be interested |
| 22:05.57 | Fisker | why not use the one that simply deletes the past word? |
| 22:07.17 | Maldivia | Fisker: the stream I got back, was the same I uploaded (although IDv3 info stripped) |
| 22:08.05 | durcyn | what is "id v3" |
| 22:08.18 | Maldivia | ID3v2 :P |
| 22:08.40 | Fisker | i wouldn't know Maldivia |
| 22:08.42 | Fisker | i flac'd it |
| 22:08.48 | Fisker | after they finally fixed their annoying as hell bug |
| 22:09.03 | Fisker | also google music is only available in the US |
| 22:09.04 | Fisker | pirate |
| 22:09.07 | Arrowmaster | is that ID3v2.3 or ID3v2.4 |
| 22:10.01 | foxlit | Future<List<Integer>> |
| 22:10.18 | foxlit | The class name is clearly awesome |
| 22:10.31 | Maldivia | Someone's playing with ExecutorServices ? |
| 22:10.44 | foxlit | yes |
| 22:10.51 | Maldivia | I love them |
| 22:12.00 | Maldivia | although, I'm annoying I have to remember to shut them down, that they don't enter daemon state whene the last submitted job is done |
| 22:12.29 | Fisker | so Maldivia |
| 22:12.34 | Fisker | you admit to being a pirate? :O |
| 22:12.55 | Maldivia | In regards to Google Music? No |
| 22:13.17 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 22:13.26 | Fisker | but since you say in regards to it must mean you are otherwise a pirate |
| 22:14.02 | Maldivia | Well, I can't say I've never pirated anything, so |
| 22:14.12 | Fisker | well you could |
| 22:14.29 | Maldivia | I could, but I would be lying |
| 22:23.26 | foxlit | google should identify javadocs |
| 22:23.38 | foxlit | and remember which version you were searching for before |
| 22:28.42 | foxlit | Hm, any neat solutions to getting TextMate to edit remote files through SSH? |
| 22:29.00 | amro | does osx have anything like kioslaves? |
| 22:29.02 | foxlit | [on an unrelated note, the lion autocorrection feature seems to be pretty awesome] |
| 22:29.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: It irks me a bit, but I mostly like it. |
| 22:29.51 | foxlit | I can't seem to get it to autocorrect something wrong on purpose |
| 22:30.40 | foxlit | amro: dunno. |
| 22:30.52 | Lunessa | I'm a terrible typist, so it sometimes mis-corrects based on my terrible typos. |
| 22:31.31 | foxlit | The solutions I'm seeing range from using a different app that gets notified when a file is modified and uploads it; and using MacFUSE to trick things into thinking remote things are locally mounted |
| 22:31.49 | foxlit | [things I learned today: privilege is spelled with an i, not e] |
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| 22:38.16 | Lunessa | As I get older, I need fewer doors in my life: http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/27476-walking-through-doorways-causes-forgetting-new-research-shows/ |
| 22:40.10 | Maldivia | just reading the headline made me thing of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy |
| 22:40.15 | Maldivia | think* |
| 22:40.50 | Lunessa | Because you can find doors growing somewhere in the galaxy. Or the smug doors with GPP? |
| 22:41.35 | Maldivia | the latter |
| 22:42.16 | kd3 | eesh; steam decided to discount... all the things! today apparently |
| 22:42.31 | Lunessa | ALL the things? |
| 22:42.56 | Maldivia | black friday started early? |
| 22:43.09 | Lunessa | BLACK WEDNESDAY! |
| 22:43.19 | Maldivia | autumn sale, 23-27th |
| 22:43.54 | Maldivia | 1615 titles on sale |
| 22:43.57 | Cide | duke nukem forever 6.79 euro lolo |
| 22:43.58 | Cide | l |
| 22:44.30 | Maldivia | now if only some of the pre-orders were on sale as well :P |
| 22:45.20 | Maldivia | ike ACR for instance :P |
| 22:48.27 | KarlKFI|work | Cide: not quite low enough |
| 22:48.46 | Maldivia | it's been lower |
| 22:48.57 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5862376/follow-gameloft-on-twitter-for-free-android-games-all-weekend-long |
| 22:51.44 | Maldivia | cute google doodle :P |
| 22:52.05 | Arrowmaster | so im trying to kill my battery to recalibrate it, its currently at 6%, wonder if this download will finish before the battery dies |
| 22:52.07 | Xyphoid | the Lem one? |
| 22:52.08 | Xyphoid | it's amazing |
| 22:52.38 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: the thanksgiving one |
| 22:52.52 | Xyphoid | http://www.google.co.uk/ is wonderful |
| 22:53.27 | Maldivia | but yeah, that as well |
| 22:53.41 | Maldivia | try .com |
| 22:53.52 | Maldivia | for an "animated" turkey |
| 22:55.43 | Maldivia | for some reason, the Lem doesn't work here, it freezes |
| 23:07.48 | Dagmar | Someone had fun with clip art on this PDF |
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| 23:14.50 | Fisker | i'm not sure my body is ready Maldivia |
| 23:14.52 | kd3 | well, that's amusing. the swtor site is broken... I'm trying to log in |
| 23:14.58 | Fisker | old kd3 |
| 23:15.13 | kd3 | "We have encountered an error: This page is not available. This may be because you are currently not logged in." |
| 23:15.17 | Fisker | apparently only the matriarch event counts as elite kills |
| 23:15.20 | Iriel | kd3: It sort of melted down yesterday |
| 23:15.21 | Fisker | and you have to do them in one sitting |
| 23:15.31 | Iriel | kd3: Though the beta isn't open until friday anyway so theres no hurry |
| 23:18.33 | Fisker | wow |
| 23:18.52 | Dagmar | EA still hasn't figured out the whole "server availability" thing. |
| 23:19.01 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/jp1Q8.jpg <-never seen this before |
| 23:19.03 | Dagmar | It's been up and down like a cheap w***e this week |
| 23:19.16 | Iriel | Fisker: that room layout? |
| 23:19.19 | Iriel | Fisker: or something else? |
| 23:19.33 | Iriel | Fisker: I've seen that room tile show up exactly twice so far |
| 23:20.04 | Fisker | yeah |
| 23:20.06 | Fisker | just saw it again |
| 23:20.08 | Fisker | ell oh ell |
| 23:20.38 | Iriel | There's an encounter room i've only seen once, involving a chest in the middle of a room. |
| 23:21.19 | Iriel | Holy steam sale batman |
| 23:21.43 | Dagmar | Holy crap hide your wallets |
| 23:21.47 | Cide | hmm |
| 23:21.53 | kd3 | yah. had to just purge my steamgamesales rss feed just to get back to the regular news |
| 23:21.57 | Cide | amro: are you good at cmake in general? |
| 23:26.12 | amro | Cide: I've dug around a fair bit, but not too much |
| 23:26.58 | Cide | I need to figure out how to make all my #includes from the project root |
| 23:27.09 | Cide | so I can #include "foo/bar/baz.h" |
| 23:27.26 | Cide | at the moment I need to #include "../bar/baz.h" or so which is awful |
| 23:28.09 | amro | include_directories(. ${projectname_SOURCE_DIR}) |
| 23:28.52 | Maldivia | Fisker: seen that time ONCE while playing the beta... it's very very rare |
| 23:28.55 | Maldivia | tile* |
| 23:29.47 | Cide | yes |
| 23:29.49 | Cide | you are a god |
| 23:29.51 | Maldivia | Iriel: the chest, that spawns four pillars and skeletons when you try to open it? |
| 23:30.23 | Iriel | Maldivia: Something like that, lots of things spawned.. |
| 23:30.37 | Iriel | Maldivia: IIRC there's 3 round holes in the ground |
| 23:31.06 | Lunessa | kd3: They did a lot of invites yesterday (I got mine too) and I think they found a few flaws in their system. :) |
| 23:31.18 | kd3 | indeed |
| 23:31.33 | Fisker | were they mobs? |
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| 23:33.54 | Fisker | 6th matriarch run |
| 23:33.59 | Fisker | 44 to go before i head to bed |
| 23:34.12 | Cide | 3 mobs spawn per? |
| 23:34.15 | Cide | so should only take 50/3 |
| 23:34.33 | Fisker | that's what you think |
| 23:34.34 | Cide | and that does not make sense |
| 23:34.40 | Fisker | will know for sure in 10 kills |
| 23:34.42 | Cide | how did we get the 5-35 ones so easily |
| 23:34.49 | Fisker | your mom apparently |
| 23:34.58 | Cide | if only matriarch runs count for the 50? |
| 23:35.09 | Cide | makes no sense whatsoever sir |
| 23:35.24 | Maldivia | Iriel: similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxOUxwkoLyw&t=4m30s ? |
| 23:35.47 | Fisker | i figured it's only the last one it bugs for |
| 23:37.03 | Iriel | Maldivia: yes |
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| 23:38.17 | Cide | Fisker: are you at least doing them in coop? :P |
| 23:38.34 | Fisker | yes Cide |
| 23:38.45 | Cide | good boy |
| 23:39.13 | Lunessa | Cide: Remember, when you train them, you give them a treat for doing it the 'right' way. |
| 23:40.12 | Cide | hmm |
| 23:40.15 | Cide | good point |
| 23:41.52 | Fisker | i should sue Blizzard Cide |
| 23:42.13 | Lunessa | Blizzard should sue you? |
| 23:45.45 | amro | not if you sue them first |
| 23:50.07 | Fisker | YES |
| 23:50.13 | Fisker | i can finally fuck this beta |
| 23:50.44 | nebula169 | it's finally legal? |
| 23:50.50 | nebula169 | congrats |
| 23:51.27 | Fisker | i am an overachiever Cide |
| 23:52.51 | Fisker | weird |
| 23:52.59 | Fisker | i used to have like 20 of those training books |
| 23:53.01 | Fisker | now i have none |
| 23:54.00 | Lunessa | "As God is my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly!" - http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoafYtDe.html |
| 23:58.04 | Arrowmaster | didnt that really happen |
| 23:58.10 | Fisker | nice timing as well Cide |
| 23:58.15 | Fisker | posting stuff on AH broke my account |
| 23:58.19 | Fisker | and now i can't fix it anymore |
| 23:58.50 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I don't think so, but WKRP had a talent for making the implausible seem believable on TV. |
| 23:59.09 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/MAwZt.jpg |
| 23:59.45 | Maldivia | grats |
