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| 00:06.59 | Caribou| | i don't know what's wrong but i can't find a way to make two *equal* variables returning true when testing equality http://paste2.org/p/1760984 and here is the output http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8211966/wowdiff.png |
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| 00:08.38 | bt | Is it possible to realise something like frameName:SetScript("OnClick", buttonEventClick(param)); to call function buttonEventClick(myParam, self, event,id,...) ? Would like a general function for all buttons and wondering if just my syntax is wrong |
| 00:09.01 | Cide | it's wrong |
| 00:09.06 | Cide | it's not haskell |
| 00:09.11 | bt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.16 | Cide | do you know haskell? :P |
| 00:09.20 | bt | i do |
| 00:09.26 | bt | just hoped it would support it |
| 00:09.27 | Cide | there is no partial application |
| 00:09.31 | bt | shame |
| 00:09.36 | Cide | but you can do |
| 00:09.55 | Cide | frameName:SetScript("OnClick", function(...) buttonEventClick(someParam, ...) end) |
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| 00:10.38 | Cide | that will create a new function every time it's called though |
| 00:10.53 | Cide | so if someParam is constant you should pre-create it and pass along the same function every time you call SetScript |
| 00:12.50 | bt | im creating a list and wanted a general functions cause the buttons would do the same on each line, thought to pass that as a parameter and just write it once |
| 00:13.22 | Cide | do you need param to be different for each button? |
| 00:13.42 | Cide | because you could just do frameName.myParam = 5 |
| 00:13.53 | Cide | and then access it as self.myParam inside the buttonEventClick function |
| 00:14.57 | bt | that sounds great didn't think about adding a value to it |
| 00:16.08 | amro | the frame you get isn't a userdata, it's a table wrapping the udata, so you can actually set fields on it |
| 00:17.35 | bt | wonderfull works perfect, thanks alot |
| 00:22.16 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I found a server that does not work very well with pipelining :D |
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| 00:26.45 | maena | Hi all, I recall around the Cata beta time there were some macros that could create simple addons, and thus got /run and /script banned for a good while |
| 00:26.50 | maena | who created those macros? |
| 00:26.58 | Jamash | COGWHEEL |
| 00:27.03 | maena | thanks |
| 00:30.12 | Maldivia | wouldn't call it banned... they were just guarded so only special clients could call them :P |
| 00:30.21 | Jamash | ie GM clients |
| 00:30.54 | amro | Cide: it's done |
| 00:30.59 | Cide | fuuu |
| 00:31.14 | Cide | in my defense I also installed visio |
| 00:31.17 | Cide | but fuuu |
| 00:31.34 | Maldivia | yep - and there were a lot if people who wrote scripts during the no-addon period of the beta, while it was still enabled :P |
| 00:32.31 | amro | don't rage just yet, I'm pretty sure msvc is going to throw another turd at me before I get my application compiling |
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| 00:34.10 | Jamash | ah I got to the pythagoras reference |
| 00:37.20 | Jamash | he's clearly being silly, since I'm sure he knows that zero and negative numbers didn't come along for many centuries after pythagoras |
| 00:37.59 | Cide | I got a linker error :( |
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| 00:47.38 | amro | ouch |
| 00:48.28 | amro | Jamash: his point is that out of 10 types, none are natural numbers. he doesn't haev anything against those types, just the lack of that additional typee |
| 00:55.05 | Jamash | but he speaks of integers |
| 00:55.24 | Shirik | hi cide |
| 00:55.31 | Shirik | do I do 3 sets of 10 reps or 8 sets of 8 reps? |
| 00:55.32 | Cide | hi |
| 00:55.50 | Cide | whichever rates highest on fitocrazy |
| 00:55.58 | Cide | fitocracy |
| 00:56.34 | Shirik | fitocracy? |
| 00:56.35 | Jamash | the integers are precisely the union of the set of natural numbers, zero and the set of negated natural numbers |
| 00:56.51 | Jamash | so if he meant natural numbers he should have said natural numbers |
| 00:57.02 | amro | well, it's a slide |
| 00:57.06 | amro | who knows what he actually said |
| 00:57.17 | amro | but I'm pretty sure he MEANT natural numbers |
| 00:57.31 | Jamash | he uses the phrase "natural numbers" on previous slides, so it was probably just sloppiness |
| 00:57.47 | amro | too much time adding clipart, not enough time copyediting |
| 00:58.16 | Shirik | Cide what is this fitocracy and how do I get an invite |
| 00:58.45 | amro | Cide: do you know where nmake install installs to? |
| 00:59.37 | Maldivia | Jamash: yeah, why would any sane language define an int-type for natural numbers >= 2 |
| 00:59.49 | Shirik | ada would |
| 00:59.58 | Maldivia | Shirik: I said sane |
| 01:00.13 | Jamash | anyway the key is that bounds-checked indices are cheap in terms of storage and cpu time and every language should have them and any language that doesn't is bad and should be consigned to the bit bucket |
| 01:00.53 | amro | I'm sure the bucket would overflow |
| 01:00.59 | Jamash | nice |
| 01:01.00 | amro | you'd encounter an index out of bounds error |
| 01:01.04 | Maldivia | :P |
| 01:01.07 | Jamash | yes, I got it the first time |
| 01:01.34 | Jamash | or rather modified to include mandatory bounds-checking as a mandatory feature in version x+1 |
| 01:01.35 | amro | but did you get it the second time? |
| 01:01.44 | Jamash | no, I was using a single-bit index |
| 01:02.13 | Cide | Shirik: give me your email and I can invite you |
| 01:02.35 | amro | I don't actually encounter oob often, I usually use linked lists |
| 01:02.44 | amro | and I don't pass array pointers around |
| 01:03.24 | jnwhiteh | does anyone see anything tricksy I can do to dislodge Turkey from North Africa or the West Mediterranean? http://droidippy.oort.se/web/game/2317 |
| 01:03.26 | Jamash | by referential transparency does he mean providing all data as explicit parameters to the function instead of throwing pointers to pointers etc around? |
| 01:04.06 | amro | that's what I figured |
| 01:04.35 | Jamash | you know, there's this language that passes everything by value but uses copy-on-write data structures with reference counting to minimize actual duplication of data |
| 01:04.54 | Jamash | I may have mentioned it once or twice, it's called APL |
| 01:05.13 | amro | uh huh |
| 01:05.36 | amro | the requirement isn't *only* pass by val |
| 01:05.44 | Jamash | Those who do not understand LISP, Forth and APL are doomed to reimplement portions of them, poorly |
| 01:06.01 | amro | in fact that requirement can be met in C++ |
| 01:06.24 | amro | remember, he's only talking about one type of code |
| 01:06.38 | amro | the 3 types have different requirements |
| 01:08.56 | Jamash | He's talking about reinventing APL. See slide 50, which describes applying a function over a large array concurrently |
| 01:09.40 | Jamash | that's exactly the use that APL was designed and implemented to do efficiently and correctly |
| 01:10.29 | amro | I think you're missing the point here |
| 01:10.50 | amro | the subtitle is "A Game Developer's Perspective" |
| 01:11.08 | Jamash | exactly |
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| 01:11.25 | amro | so, game developers don't JUST want array processing |
| 01:11.30 | amro | that's ONE of the things they want |
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| 01:16.05 | Jamash | well let's see, APL also has mandatory bounds-checking, no pointers (an entire class of problems eliminated), efficient packing of integer types, functions that operate over an entire array at once, transparent reference counting, trivially simple implicit parallelism, which covers pretty much his entire set of needs in terms of raw computing. The object model can be built on top of that easily. |
| 01:16.25 | amro | quit trolling |
| 01:16.33 | Jamash | I'm not? |
| 01:17.32 | amro | those are the ADDITIONAL requirements |
| 01:17.42 | Jamash | additional to what? |
| 01:17.47 | amro | he's not going over what C++ already provides |
| 01:18.10 | Jamash | C++ doesn't provide anything |
| 01:18.30 | amro | did you just say that about the most complex language there is? |
| 01:18.35 | Jamash | precisely |
| 01:18.37 | amro | if anything, it provides too much |
| 01:18.49 | Jamash | it's a pile of special cases composed of special cases of special cases |
| 01:18.58 | amro | don't even go there |
| 01:19.00 | Jamash | it is not a coherent whole |
| 01:19.11 | amro | which does not matter at all |
| 01:19.15 | Jamash | yes it does |
| 01:19.32 | amro | no it doesn't. we're talking game development, not some weird academic pursuit |
| 01:19.43 | tlund | how about this |
| 01:19.46 | tlund | talk about LUA |
| 01:19.48 | tlund | or gtfo |
| 01:19.56 | amro | for starters |
| 01:19.59 | amro | it's Lua |
| 01:20.09 | amro | second, how long have you been in this channel? |
| 01:20.36 | jnwhiteh | everyone calm yourself please, no need to get all rowdy =) |
| 01:20.42 | Shirik | :( jnwhiteh beat me |
| 01:21.03 | zenzelezz | let's not act like luanatics |
| 01:21.07 | jnwhiteh | tlund: there's no reason they can't discuss this here |
| 01:21.08 | Shirik | stabs zenzelezz |
| 01:21.11 | jnwhiteh | amro: how long he's been here is irrelevant |
| 01:21.18 | amro | it isn't |
| 01:21.22 | Jamash | if you're trying to, say, use the language to write a game, how many special cases and edge cases and bizarre syntactic gyrations and things that you just plain can't do because the language doesn't support them and you have to write your own domain-specific language to get anything done your language of choice has is of utmost importance |
| 01:21.24 | jnwhiteh | I say it is |
| 01:21.35 | jnwhiteh | he's welcome to his opinion whether or not he's been here for a day or a year |
| 01:21.36 | amro | I mean it isn't relevant |
| 01:21.43 | jnwhiteh | but he should express it in a constructive manner =) |
| 01:21.45 | amro | that's not what I intended by the questino |
| 01:21.45 | jnwhiteh | okay then :P |
| 01:21.49 | jnwhiteh | back to the debate =) |
| 01:21.57 | amro | I wanted to know if he was new and thus unaware that we are often offtopic here |
| 01:21.59 | Shirik | C++ is epic |
| 01:22.01 | Shirik | </thread> |
| 01:22.03 | Shirik | off to gym bai |
| 01:22.06 | Jamash | epic fail |
| 01:22.09 | jnwhiteh | amro: fair enough |
| 01:22.44 | jnwhiteh | my fault for assuming |
| 01:22.51 | Jamash | Are you saying that the fact that C++ is a terrible language isn't relevant for writing games because game programmers aren't computer scientists? |
| 01:22.54 | amro | nah, I can see how it looked like reading back |
| 01:23.18 | amro | Jamash: yes. game developers don't care about purity, they care about getting things done in the real world |
| 01:23.34 | amro | C++ does the job better. whether it's a good or bad language doesn't matter |
| 01:23.36 | Jamash | amro: I can see that you have understood nothing I have written today. |
| 01:23.36 | amro | only the result does |
| 01:24.12 | amro | that's not entirely true, I understood that post-it note you left on the fridge |
| 01:24.15 | Jamash | would you use a backhoe to remove one small clump of crabgrass from your mother's lawn |
| 01:24.27 | jnwhiteh | depends, is my mother being a bitch? |
| 01:24.35 | amro | ~jnwhiteh++ |
| 01:24.45 | Jamash | would you use tweezers to move 50 tons of sand from one state to another |
| 01:24.51 | amro | but that's exactly MY point Jamash |
| 01:25.08 | amro | game developers need a LOT of features |
| 01:25.08 | Jamash | no, it isn't, you're saying using the wrong tool doesn't matter |
| 01:25.12 | amro | that's why C++ is popular |
| 01:25.17 | amro | it's a swiss army knife |
| 01:25.30 | Jamash | C++ is popular because C++ was popular yesterday |
| 01:25.44 | Jamash | don't tell me that language adoption is directly proportional to usefulness |
| 01:25.52 | amro | no |
| 01:25.59 | amro | I'm talking about C++ in game development, not C++ in general |
| 01:26.03 | Jamash | I will point you in the direction of MS Visual Basic, PHP, etc |
| 01:26.16 | amro | Java is popular in general, but not at all with game devs |
| 01:26.30 | Jamash | Game programmers use C++ because game programmers are taught to use C++ because game programmers use C++ |
| 01:26.41 | amro | quick question, are you a game developer? |
| 01:27.16 | Jamash | I am not a professional game developer, no |
| 01:27.21 | amro | I was never taught to use anything, I used a whole lot of languages before settling on C++ |
| 01:27.30 | amro | don't have to be professional, I'm just asking if you worked on games |
| 01:27.37 | amro | indie, professional, never released, whatever |
| 01:28.09 | amro | (those categories are poorly worded but I'm too tired to fix them) |
| 01:28.17 | Jamash | However, tim sweeney *is* and I'm pointing out that the things he's saying he wants in some new language all exist in a language that nobody wants to use because it's "too hard" |
| 01:28.40 | Jamash | it's "too hard" because people are taught that it's too hard |
| 01:28.45 | Jamash | C++ is too hard, APL is easy |
| 01:28.59 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: is there a blog post or something from Tim that I can read |
| 01:28.59 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 01:29.02 | amro | APL is not at all suited for games development |
| 01:29.20 | amro | jnwhiteh: http://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/edu/seminare/2005/advanced-fp/docs/sweeny.pdf |
| 01:29.40 | jnwhiteh | thanks, will flag it and read it tomorrow =) |
| 01:29.40 | Jamash | C++ is not at all suited for games development |
| 01:29.47 | Jamash | See what I did there? |
| 01:29.54 | amro | yeah, you made something up :) |
| 01:29.57 | Jamash | so did you |
| 01:30.15 | amro | no I did not, I spend my days working on a video game engine |
| 01:30.21 | Jamash | and aren't you sorry |
| 01:30.49 | Jamash | I have spent many a day testing video games that were built in C++ to my regret |
| 01:31.04 | amro | hm? I look at APL and I see a lot of things I wish I could do in C++ or Lua, which I'm using, but not APL as a whole |
| 01:31.15 | Jamash | I'm confused by that statement |
| 01:31.33 | Jamash | please elaborate |
| 01:31.52 | amro | just because APL has features I want does not mean the entire package is interesting |
| 01:32.03 | Jamash | I'm still confused |
| 01:32.11 | amro | the opportunity cost of using APL |
| 01:32.22 | amro | which is no longer using C++ and having access to its featuers |
| 01:32.28 | Jamash | oh you mean the opportunity cost of doing things right instead of wrong? |
| 01:32.39 | amro | you're trolling |
| 01:32.40 | Jamash | I've read JWZ's worse is better manifesto, yes |
| 01:33.09 | Jamash | I'm mixing a little bit of trolling into serious statements |
| 01:33.32 | Jamash | there is a substantial opportunity cost in doing things right instead of wrong <-- entirely serious statement |
| 01:33.34 | amro | I already told you, game developers don't care about purity, correctness, right or wrong |
| 01:33.42 | amro | they care about getting a game into the hands of gamers |
| 01:33.44 | Jamash | And that is why you fail </yoda> |
| 01:34.09 | Jamash | I understand what you're telling me and I disagree that it is a better way of doing things |
| 01:34.36 | Jamash | Just because it's industry standard doesn't mean that it's better |
| 01:34.41 | amro | it's not necessarily a better way, it's a way that works |
| 01:34.47 | Jamash | *no it doesn't* |
| 01:35.03 | amro | I supposed I've imagined myself playing all those games over the past decade |
| 01:35.13 | amro | or they were secretly written in APL |
| 01:35.44 | Jamash | it produces buggy, incomplete, difficult to maintain software that gets thrown out the door to either asphyxiate on its own or get patched, patched, patched, patched, again and again until it maybe sort of works |
| 01:36.04 | amro | Shirik: what kind of error would I get for using a 32-bit .lib while linking a 64-bit exe? |
| 01:36.14 | Jamash | You've never bought a game and had it be unplayable before the first patch? |
| 01:36.27 | amro | sure, I've also had games that worked very very well |
| 01:37.03 | amro | you can have a well written app in C++ just as you can have a poorly written one |
| 01:37.12 | amro | it's only your fault if you're bad at C++ |
| 01:37.14 | Caribou| | (how do you pop a message in front of the screen like a raid alert ?) |
| 01:37.25 | Jamash | I assert that C++ is a hindrance to good software, not an asset. Good software can come of it but only with enormous additional effort to address its misfeatures and bad design |
| 01:37.42 | Jamash | amro: if the wings fall off an airplane, is that bad engineering or pilot error? |
| 01:38.16 | amro | it's bad engineering, but that's not what happens. What happens is that the pilot doesn't follow procedure and then goes to the stall to wank, and the plane crashes |
| 01:38.29 | amro | you're seriously mistaken if you think it's not possible to write good code in C++ |
| 01:38.43 | Jamash | I wholly reject the "you're bad at it" argument. If a tool is badly designed, a skilled operator can compensate for it but that doesn't make it badly designed |
| 01:38.47 | Iriel | Caribou|: You could just call the raid alert functions, or else you make a frame with a very high strata and stick a fontstring or somesuch inside it. |
| 01:38.59 | Jamash | amro: I can find you cases when the wings have fallen off of airplanes due to bad engineering |
| 01:39.49 | Caribou| | Iriel, thanks ! i guess that the raid alert functions only work when... in raid !? |
| 01:40.16 | amro | I never said it's perfect, I said it works. anyway, let's agree to leave it at that, someone needs lua help |
| 01:40.50 | Jamash | *doesn't make it not badly designed |
| 01:41.43 | Iriel | Caribou|: You'd have to look, I didn't mean try and create a raid alert, I meant, find what the raid alert handler calls, and call it yourself |
| 01:42.06 | Caribou| | allright |
| 01:47.30 | Jamash | I think it would be easier to add the features missing from APL that it would need to make it good for game engines than it would be to redesign the entirety of C++ to address its fundamental flaws as a language for any purpose never mind game engines |
| 01:48.50 | amro | I think you don't know what it would need to make it good for game engines |
| 01:49.00 | Jamash | Probably not |
| 01:49.08 | amro | is it possible to link to 32-bit libraries from a 64-bit binary on windows? |
| 01:50.08 | Ackis | thanks jnwhiteh *points at topic* :D |
| 01:50.36 | amro | oh hey, congrats |
| 01:51.05 | Ackis | thanks |
| 01:53.04 | Jamash | blah blah heteronormative oppressor blah, also congrats |
| 02:06.04 | Kraps | oh snap http://imgur.com/LGJK6 |
| 02:08.40 | bt | what others see: "please pirate me" |
| 02:11.17 | bt | considering that pirates get it always beeing a normal buyer just got worse once more with the preorder-extras you will never see normally |
| 02:12.52 | amro | am I the only one concerned that more and more developers feel the need to take your money before you know what the game is like? |
| 02:14.42 | bt | on the bright side betas run rampant that are basically demos |
| 02:16.10 | amro | on the dark side, they're selling betas as preorder bonuses |
| 02:16.56 | bt | on the darker side "big sites" ban any info and leaks so the public opinion wont be lead much astray from the hype |
| 02:22.40 | Sintacks | http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3583wb/ --- I lol'd |
| 02:25.09 | bt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0AxCtYl7g |
| 02:25.19 | Cide | millions upon millions of planets; one of them contains 100% of me |
| 02:25.22 | Cide | OCCUPY MARS |
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| 02:31.08 | amro | Cide: do you use libfreetype? |
| 02:31.13 | Cide | nop |
| 02:31.16 | Cide | should I? |
| 02:31.35 | amro | for good font support, yes |
| 02:31.59 | amro | I'm trying to compile it as a DLL on windows and msvc is giddy at yet another opportunity to kick me in the balls |
| 02:32.12 | maena | what is so special about setmetatable? |
| 02:32.21 | maena | I can't find any specific documentation about its usage |
| 02:32.53 | amro | maena: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 |
| 02:32.54 | Cide | it sets a metatable on a table |
| 02:34.34 | maena | whats a metatable? |
| 02:34.53 | amro | maena: read the link I pasted, it explains it |
| 02:34.54 | Cide | gee |
| 02:34.58 | Cide | I wonder what amro linked |
| 02:35.02 | Cide | let's take a look shall we |
| 02:35.07 | Cide | oh it explains what metatables are |
| 02:35.09 | Cide | surprising |
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| 02:36.45 | pompy | Parnic: http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-to-honor-late-fan-as-an-npc-in-borderlands-2-215160.phtml nice |
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| 03:58.00 | Arrowmaster | kd3: new fate/zero, my jaw dropped midway into the ep |
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| 04:12.55 | Shirik | Cide: holy shit |
| 04:12.57 | Shirik | 8x8 is insane |
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| 04:16.49 | Cide | 8 reps of 8? |
| 04:16.57 | Cide | or 8 sets of 8 or whatever |
| 04:17.38 | Shirik | 8 sets of 8 reps |
| 04:17.49 | Shirik | for the first 4 you're like /yawn |
| 04:17.56 | Shirik | and on the 5th you're like "ow" |
| 04:18.06 | Cide | did you level up?! |
| 04:18.06 | Shirik | and on the 8th you're like "who put this elephant on my weights" |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | I haven't put it in yet |
| 04:19.35 | Shirik | also you should totally play starcraft with me |
| 04:19.40 | Cide | no |
| 04:19.41 | Cide | bf3 |
| 04:19.49 | Shirik | I came so close to picking it up yesterday |
| 04:19.53 | Shirik | and then I was like "nah" |
| 04:20.06 | Cide | wat |
| 04:20.09 | Cide | you bastard |
| 04:20.12 | Cide | it's super fun |
| 04:20.20 | Shirik | I used to kick ass at bf2 |
| 04:20.53 | Shirik | on my CAL team for larger maps 8v8 I was the air superiority guy |
| 04:20.56 | Shirik | which meant on the apache |
| 04:21.04 | Shirik | I was both the pilot and the TV missile gunner |
| 04:21.11 | Shirik | that was badass |
| 04:21.38 | Cide | I am also the heli pilot |
| 04:21.43 | Cide | I never get to shoot tv missiles |
| 04:21.46 | Cide | but they're bugged atm |
| 04:21.50 | Shirik | you should |
| 04:21.54 | Shirik | practice switching seats mid-air |
| 04:21.59 | Shirik | then shoot |
| 04:22.01 | Shirik | hit something |
| 04:22.03 | Shirik | switch back |
| 04:22.05 | Shirik | regain control |
| 04:22.08 | Shirik | /win |
| 04:22.17 | Cide | or just get a gunner |
| 04:22.19 | Shirik | no |
| 04:22.22 | Shirik | not enough people |
| 04:22.27 | Shirik | can't spare the extra person |
| 04:22.29 | Shirik | need him on the ground |
| 04:22.45 | Cide | clearly if I was playing 8v8 it would be different |
| 04:22.59 | Shirik | when you get REALLY good you learn to roll before you switch |
| 04:23.07 | Shirik | so you can strafe the enemy chopper while shooting it |
| 04:23.10 | Shirik | making you harder to hit |
| 04:23.21 | Shirik | that's the easy part |
| 04:23.26 | Shirik | the hard part is not crashing into the ground |
| 04:23.30 | Cide | I bet |
| 04:23.45 | Shirik | now if they had one of my unmanned aircraft |
| 04:23.46 | Shirik | no probs |
| 04:23.51 | Shirik | but noooooooo |
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| 04:24.35 | Cide | but you should buy it |
| 04:24.37 | Cide | so we can shoot shit |
| 04:24.48 | Cide | leveling the heli goes super fast with a pilot |
| 04:25.18 | Cide | www.origin.com |
| 04:25.21 | Cide | NO TIME TO WASTE |
| 04:27.37 | Shirik | leveling heli? |
| 04:27.37 | Shirik | what |
| 04:28.18 | Cide | I didn't play bf2 so not sure how it was then |
| 04:28.28 | Cide | but in bf3 you need to unlock the different perks by playing |
| 04:28.33 | Cide | tv missile is the last unlock |
| 04:28.39 | Cide | takes ~60k score in chopper to get to it |
| 04:28.53 | Cide | so you unlock a bunch of vehicle upgrades/gadgets/weapons |
| 04:29.13 | Shirik | what |
| 04:29.19 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 04:29.23 | Cide | it's fun |
| 04:29.29 | Shirik | yeah in bf2 there was no leveling up |
| 04:29.36 | Shirik | well aside from the whole ranking thing |
| 04:29.37 | Cide | could you customize the chopper loadout? |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik | but that didn't actually unlock anything |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik | no |
| 04:29.47 | Cide | bf3 is better then! |
| 04:30.25 | Cide | for vehicle upgrade you can choose either stealth (takes longer to lock on, spotting is removed faster), air radar, proximity scan, laser painter, etc |
| 04:30.42 | Iriel | Ah.. BF2, I used to enjoy that |
| 04:30.51 | Shirik | bf2 was a great game |
| 04:30.54 | Cide | and then you can choose between ecm jammer (disables locks for ~5s), ir flares, extinguisher (removes fires/heals to 53%) |
| 04:31.02 | Iriel | I was more a 'find a tall building, snipe' player |
| 04:31.04 | Cide | and a bunch of other stuff for the gunner |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | I was one of the people everyone got mad at |
| 04:31.20 | Shirik | because I was "cheating" |
| 04:31.29 | Shirik | for bunny hop crouch, etc. |
| 04:31.36 | Cide | you need to get bf3 then Shirik |
| 04:31.38 | Cide | so we can play |
| 04:32.25 | Cide | in a month we'll also get Strike at Karkand, Wake Island, Gulf of Oman and Sharqi Peninsula! |
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| 04:32.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:32.38 | Shirik | those are bf2 maps |
| 04:34.44 | Cide | yes |
| 04:34.51 | Cide | they're being remade into bf3 maps! |
| 04:34.57 | Shirik | they'll ruin them |
| 04:35.08 | Shirik | also strike at karkand was my favorite map |
| 04:35.12 | Shirik | which means they'll REALLY ruin it |
| 04:35.21 | Cide | or maybe not? |
| 04:35.26 | Shirik | it's EA |
| 04:35.31 | Cide | it's DICE |
| 04:35.36 | Shirik | whatever |
| 04:35.48 | Cide | do you say "it's activision" about blizzard's games? |
| 04:36.25 | Shirik | no, it's activision-blizzard |
| 04:36.32 | Cide | fuu |
| 04:36.41 | Shirik | Activision Blizzard, Inc. (Public, NASDAQ:ATVI) |
| 04:36.42 | Cide | regardless |
| 04:36.44 | Shirik | proof |
| 04:36.44 | Cide | go buy it |
| 04:36.54 | Cide | I need a pilot and/or gunner |
| 04:37.06 | Shirik | I'll work on it |
| 04:37.14 | Cide | despite your past experiences flying solo is not acceptable with larger player counts! |
| 04:37.37 | Cide | I gave you a fitocracy invite! |
| 04:43.36 | Iriel | Cide: so you consider it worth the price? (BF3?) |
| 04:44.01 | Cide | definitely |
| 04:44.04 | Cide | it's a bit buggy |
| 04:44.08 | Cide | but I love it when it works |
| 04:44.26 | Iriel | What BF game hasn't launched buggey |
| 04:46.20 | Cide | indeed |
| 04:46.28 | Cide | they've patched several times and it's a lot more stable now |
| 04:46.33 | Cide | plus I think a fair bit of it is driver issues (amd) |
| 04:46.40 | Cide | but I've had an absolute blast |
| 04:48.33 | Iriel | A friend of mine went to work at origin.com (right when it was launching) so if it sucks i'll yell at her 8-) |
| 04:48.40 | Kraps | http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2011/11/04/steve-jobs-and-apples-influence-on-gaming-massively-overstated/ |
| 04:52.16 | Iriel | Cide: Downloading |
| 04:55.47 | Cide | that was fast :) |
| 04:55.52 | Cide | hopefully you enjoy it as much as I have |
| 04:56.32 | Iriel | Looks like it'll be about an hour |
| 04:59.44 | Cide | take a hint from Iriel, Shirik |
| 04:59.53 | Cide | there is a man of action |
| 05:25.59 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:26.03 | Shirik | I would rather have the CD |
| 05:26.21 | Shirik | TV time |
| 05:26.37 | Cide | what for |
| 05:28.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:32.45 | Shirik | so groupon is now a publicly traded company |
| 05:33.01 | Shirik | and I can't figure out for the life of me why someone would want to buy it |
| 05:33.41 | Iriel | Shirik: i've been puzzled by that also |
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| 05:34.07 | Shirik | I considered buying it on the open just to sell it a few minutes later, but I didn't have the settled cash for the trade |
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| 05:34.24 | Shirik | just because I expected an initial spike (like it did) because of the "ooo social media" |
| 05:35.01 | Shirik | but I have a feeling google is going to pound groupon into the ground soon |
| 05:35.13 | Shirik | I suspect they weren't too happy about not getting the buyout deal :) |
| 05:38.38 | robokitty | also, BFV > any BF game after that |
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| 06:00.18 | pompy | and gained an hour! |
| 06:07.28 | Iriel | Cide: going to check out the campaign first, remember how the hell to play |
| 06:11.40 | kd3 | oh, yay. back to standard time |
| 06:11.45 | kd3 | fixes clocks |
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| 06:44.22 | Iriel | … and it crashed |
| 06:44.42 | Cide | make sure you grab the newest drivers |
| 06:44.45 | Cide | for your graphics card |
| 06:44.46 | Iriel | I did |
| 06:44.57 | Iriel | it nagged me to do so |
| 06:45.20 | Cide | yeah, it still crashes like once every few hours for me |
| 06:45.31 | Cide | usually more often in the beginning of a session, not sure why or if that's just me |
| 06:57.01 | Iriel | Why on earth can't they put the server browser iN the game |
| 06:58.20 | Cide | I've come to rather like battlelog actually |
| 06:58.23 | Cide | I guess more rapid development |
| 06:59.54 | Cide | plus it has a ton of really useful stats |
| 07:00.13 | Cide | and it was only yesterday that they put out a large update to the server browser, something that would probably take much longer if it was ingame |
| 07:00.15 | Cide | but /shrug |
| 07:00.24 | Cide | it sucks having to launch the game every time you switch servers, indeed |
| 07:00.29 | Cide | takes a bit longer |
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| 07:16.50 | Iriel | Wow, there are people who suck more than i do |
| 07:16.56 | Iriel | this is encouraging |
| 07:17.06 | Cide | hehe |
| 07:41.28 | Iriel | Cide: I look forward to playing more when i'm more awake |
| 07:43.42 | Cide | yeah, the vehicle combat is really fun imo |
| 07:43.55 | Cide | and infantry isn't too bad either (though I favor helicopters) |
| 07:49.14 | Esamynn | Cide: which game is this? |
| 07:49.48 | Iriel | Cide: I used to do passably well in the jets, with a joystick anyway |
| 07:49.50 | Iriel | Esamynn: BF3 |
| 07:49.53 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 07:52.47 | Cide | I fail at jets personally |
| 07:53.01 | Cide | but they're playable without a joystick at least |
| 07:53.09 | Cide | I tried helicopters without a joystick... it's awful |
| 07:53.20 | Cide | but with a joystick they're really fun to fly |
| 07:58.24 | Iriel | Im not sure if I even have drivers for mine |
| 07:58.53 | Cide | which one is it? |
| 07:59.00 | Esamynn | good night |
| 07:59.11 | AcidWeb | I failed miserably with jets... but it is much better when you use only keyboard. |
| 08:00.25 | Iriel | A Sidewinder, w/ force feedback |
| 08:11.32 | Cide | ah, no idea |
| 08:11.47 | Cide | I got a logitech extreme pro 3d which is a few years old but it has pretty good drivers |
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| 08:20.49 | Shirik | you all are doing it wrong |
| 08:21.06 | Shirik | saitek controllers are the way to go |
| 08:21.45 | Shirik | I have the saitek x52 but they make even better ones |
| 08:22.45 | Iriel | sleeps |
| 08:22.55 | Shirik | waves |
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| 10:30.08 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 10:30.14 | Fisker | us.battle.net doesn't seem to like it at all |
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| 10:39.39 | Mischanix | wut |
| 10:43.33 | Fisker | umad? |
| 10:43.45 | Fisker | i'm talking about http pipelining |
| 10:43.52 | Fisker | when i have it enabled us.battle.net is weeeeeeeeird |
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| 10:58.45 | amro | lining a stranger's pipe is usually weird |
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| 11:00.30 | Fisker | umad? |
| 11:00.39 | Stanzilla | Fisker: wowace/curseforge is broken, too |
| 11:00.55 | Fisker | eu.battle.net doesn't seem to mind that much |
| 11:01.00 | Fisker | which is odd |
| 11:04.14 | amro | it's not, europeans are more comfortable with weird things |
| 11:18.04 | Fisker | oh ok amro |
| 11:26.43 | jnwhiteh | amro: 1694 =/ |
| 11:26.46 | jnwhiteh | idiots. |
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| 11:27.40 | amro | jnwhiteh: still on ew? |
| 11:28.46 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:28.56 | jnwhiteh | i wouldn't have been dropping if i had =) |
| 11:29.08 | jnwhiteh | did have one bad ew game recently |
| 11:29.15 | jnwhiteh | against a 2000 mmr smurf hag |
| 11:29.40 | jnwhiteh | and naturally, my team spent the entire time trying to kick me and say it was all my fault. |
| 11:29.43 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:30.38 | jnwhiteh | it was funny... the hag was like "He didn't do anything wrong, he did really well actually, given what he was up against" |
| 11:33.49 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 11:35.15 | Fisker | i completely destroyed people jnwhiteh |
| 11:36.39 | jnwhiteh | k |
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| 11:53.10 | amro | jnwhiteh: it's ridiculous how often people try to kick players, as if that could possibly improve their chances |
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| 11:58.36 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 11:58.39 | jnwhiteh | we were conceding |
| 11:58.47 | jnwhiteh | but he refused to pass a concession before I was kicked |
| 11:58.59 | jnwhiteh | he was not a bad player, either |
| 11:59.06 | jnwhiteh | he just seemed to not realise that neither am I =) |
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| 12:08.38 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 12:08.41 | Dagmar | People get stupid and want an easy win |
| 12:08.46 | Fisker | i got my engineer service star today |
| 12:08.53 | Dagmar | Then they bitch when they get bored becasue they got the easy fight |
| 12:08.56 | Fisker | and i'm a gunnery sergeant |
| 12:09.00 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/OAe1Z.jpg |
| 12:09.29 | Dagmar | bluspacecow; That little dog is *so* happy |
| 12:09.52 | Torhal | peers at bluspacecow. |
| 12:09.57 | Torhal | raises an eyebrow. |
| 12:09.59 | Torhal | Oddnes. |
| 12:10.01 | Torhal | +s |
| 12:10.13 | bluspacecow | ody ness ? like that dog off garfield ? |
| 12:10.16 | bluspacecow | *lick* |
| 12:11.04 | Fisker | i would be jelly too bluspacecow |
| 12:17.15 | airtonix | vomits on Fisker |
| 12:17.23 | Fisker | licks |
| 12:21.08 | airtonix | hey Fisker, when you arrive at a forum thred, where the original post occupies nearly 14 screen lengths of your life... do you : |
| 12:21.17 | Fisker | no |
| 12:21.18 | airtonix | a) quote the entire post and reply : No |
| 12:21.23 | Fisker | too late airtonix |
| 12:21.32 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.09 | airtonix | anyway fisker, i'm using irc |
| 12:26.40 | airtonix | pretty grown up since the days of using apple products i would say. |
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| 12:53.38 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/oWugh.jpg |
| 12:56.08 | Torhal | airtonix: Seems legit. |
| 12:57.12 | airtonix | Torhal: it's hilarious |
| 12:57.44 | Torhal | airtonix: So is this: http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/SHAQwhitechicks.jpg |
| 12:58.05 | airtonix | man that guy is seriously big |
| 12:58.31 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 13:00.04 | amro | right after that, he dunked her through the mp3 and ipod banner |
| 13:00.15 | Torhal | Hah |
| 13:00.50 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/pdMsq.gif |
| 13:01.05 | Torhal | .. |
| 13:02.16 | amro | I'm not sure whether to ask what or why |
| 13:04.07 | airtonix | umad? |
| 13:04.52 | amro | I should have asked that, yes |
| 13:05.10 | airtonix | is this a case of neglect ? |
| 13:05.12 | airtonix | http://dl.ziza.ru/other/062009/22/pics/038_pics.jpg |
| 13:07.07 | amro | needs a cigarette |
| 13:14.10 | airtonix | hey Torhal, checkout gource |
| 13:15.11 | airtonix | http://vimeo.com/11876335 |
| 13:17.00 | Torhal | Interesting |
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| 13:17.28 | airtonix | i think the colours are filetypes |
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| 13:44.38 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
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| 13:44.46 | airtonix | Explorer/NTOSKRNL is awesome distro right? |
| 13:46.12 | Maldivia | well, it's very popular |
| 13:46.25 | airtonix | like taxes |
| 13:46.56 | Maldivia | no, they are just very common |
| 13:48.02 | airtonix | no what i meant to say is that it's not very popular, it is how ever very common like taxes |
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| 13:48.15 | airtonix | like corners on streets |
| 13:48.18 | airtonix | you can't avoid it |
| 13:49.16 | Kaso | My damn mouse has started treble clicking on the middle button >< |
| 13:49.29 | Kaso | I wonder if i can crack it open a fiddle around |
| 13:50.16 | airtonix | i'm going to solve your problem by releasing a mouse without a middle button (or a right button) |
| 13:50.41 | Kaso | Oh look, it's Steve Job's reincarnated! |
| 13:50.49 | airtonix | umad? |
| 13:50.50 | Kaso | s/'// |
| 13:51.02 | Kaso | not that ' purl! |
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| 13:58.28 | amro | perl regex 1 - 0 Kaso |
| 14:00.03 | Kaso | does purl support /g i wonder |
| 14:00.10 | Kaso | s/p/P/g |
| 14:00.15 | Kaso | cool |
| 14:00.33 | Maldivia | you could atleast have fixed your s/i/I/ instead :P |
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| 14:05.22 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 14:36.08 | airtonix | google chrome crashed when i asked it "what is mylyn" |
| 14:36.51 | airtonix | oh no it didn't |
| 14:36.56 | airtonix | just refused to answer |
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| 17:14.48 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3530335213 |
| 17:14.49 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 17:14.50 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 17:15.43 | Adys | http://satwcomic.com/worthless |
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| 17:16.29 | Fisker | .... |
| 17:16.31 | Fisker | ........................ |
| 17:16.32 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 17:16.34 | Fisker | many dots |
| 17:16.36 | Fisker | handle them |
| 17:16.46 | Fisker | I was wondering if anyone knew who would actually be reading my cover letter, I've currently put down the CEO Mike Morhaime |
| 17:16.49 | Fisker | ................................ |
| 17:16.49 | bluspacecow | ZOMG |
| 17:16.56 | Fisker | yes |
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| 17:16.58 | bluspacecow | fisker totally ellipsed me |
| 17:17.07 | Fisker | Mike Morhaime will be reading your application for an internship |
| 17:17.18 | Fisker | just like he reads every million other applications |
| 17:17.53 | Adys | relink from Wobin |
| 17:17.54 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfouqNtKtoQ |
| 17:21.55 | Arrowmaster | what am i watching? |
| 17:22.30 | bluspacecow | @adys that satwcomic .... is the blond guy in red Fisker ? |
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| 17:24.51 | bluspacecow | hai2u alestane |
| 17:24.54 | bluspacecow | wot doin |
| 17:25.08 | alestane | Updating profiles at internet IT contracting sites. |
| 17:25.13 | alestane | You? |
| 17:25.38 | bluspacecow | @work , just about to let go to go home , watching blizzcon virtual ticket stuff |
| 17:25.40 | bluspacecow | the art panel |
| 17:30.45 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 17:43.07 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:43.18 | Fisker | still enjoying summertime eh? LOL |
| 17:46.20 | haste | don't think so |
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| 17:51.51 | Fisker | no haste |
| 17:51.53 | Fisker | it's a joke |
| 17:51.56 | Fisker | since after like 2 years |
| 17:52.02 | Fisker | apple still haven't fixed their dst bugs |
| 17:52.06 | Fisker | get it? |
| 17:52.51 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:54.54 | haste | lol |
| 17:55.05 | haste | we had people who overslept due to that bug :P |
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| 18:04.33 | amro | yeah I'm sure they "overslept" |
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| 18:17.55 | haste | might be that my boss wanted to sleep longer as well amro |
| 18:19.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand people using phones as alarm clocks, they are never loud enough for me |
| 18:19.39 | nevcairiel | maybe you need a better phone |
| 18:19.49 | nevcairiel | or duct-tape it to your ear |
| 18:20.13 | haste | I just use vibrate |
| 18:20.17 | haste | is a light sleeper. |
| 18:20.37 | Arrowmaster | im a heavy sleeper, ive got one of these as an alarm clock http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/8f1a/ |
| 18:20.47 | nevcairiel | i use the "intelligent" alarm in mine, which starts off with some mild sounds, before it goes all out *beep*beep*, and i usually am awake before the beeps |
| 18:20.56 | haste | only time I use sound is when I'm sleeping with IEMs |
| 18:22.36 | Arrowmaster | and yes i have slept through that 113db alarm clock with bed shaker |
| 18:23.00 | Arrowmaster | thats how heavy a sleeper i am |
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| 18:24.01 | haste | I have custom molded earplugs |
| 18:24.11 | Iriel | I switched to one of these: http://www.now-zen.com/cgi-bin/orders/shop.pl?ACTION=SHOP&thispage=Digital-Zen-Alarm-Clock-Walnut-E-Tone-Silver&ORDER_ID=%21ORDERID%21 |
| 18:24.26 | Iriel | it seems to work much better than a traditional buzzer + snooze |
| 18:24.35 | haste | "You must Enter the shop from the beginning again. " |
| 18:25.07 | Iriel | Obviously they need to hire less retarded web designers |
| 18:25.14 | haste | yep |
| 18:25.15 | Iriel | It's the Digital Zen Alarm Clock |
| 18:25.33 | Arrowmaster | ive though about trying to build a custom alarm clock before with multiple shaker units and flashing lights on both sides of the bed |
| 18:25.34 | haste | hosting wave files as well :D |
| 18:25.43 | amro | is that a ramen bowl alarm clock? |
| 18:26.23 | haste | seems nice Iriel |
| 18:28.01 | Iriel | haste: Im glad I switched -- the device has a couple of slightly awkward UI features, but Ive been able to wake up on time reliably |
| 18:28.15 | Iriel | (I think knowing there is no snooze helps) |
| 18:28.25 | haste | yeah, snooze is evil |
| 18:30.10 | haste | someone should make a alarm clock for android where you have to solve a math puzzle to be able to snooze |
| 18:30.17 | haste | or simply to be able to turn it off :P |
| 18:34.04 | Arrowmaster | wonder when i should stop idle boosting gears3 |
| 18:34.21 | Arrowmaster | ive gone from level 42 to 70 by doing nothing since friday night |
| 18:34.39 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: When ever you realize it's pointless |
| 18:34.57 | Arrowmaster | but i got 2 achievements from doing nothing! |
| 18:35.32 | Iriel | Obviously meaningless achievements |
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| 18:57.42 | Jamash | I tamed Skitterflame :3 |
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| 19:29.31 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:30.00 | mckenziemc1 | crit |
| 19:31.16 | Fisker | nope mckenziemc |
| 19:32.44 | Stanzilla | mastery |
| 19:33.10 | Fisker | nope Stanzilla |
| 19:33.13 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:34.26 | Stanzilla | haste is the best stat anyway |
| 19:36.10 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I just got mail on my bnet account email |
| 19:36.12 | Stanzilla | freaked out |
| 19:36.14 | Stanzilla | checked |
| 19:36.20 | Fisker | oh god Stanzilla |
| 19:36.23 | Stanzilla | and it was the pandaria newsletter :( |
| 19:36.25 | Fisker | my mind just blew |
| 19:36.37 | Fisker | http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0101833/ |
| 19:38.27 | Fisker | anyway Stanzilla |
| 19:38.32 | Fisker | Blizzard are dicks |
| 19:38.37 | Fisker | and you know they don't invite in the weekend |
| 19:38.46 | Fisker | which is why they're dicks |
| 19:39.32 | Fisker | y u 3d button me youtube? |
| 19:46.55 | Shirik | Cide I am now level 3! |
| 19:49.22 | Iriel | Shirik: BF3? |
| 19:49.27 | Shirik | no |
| 19:49.31 | Shirik | fitocracy |
| 19:49.54 | Adys | /home/adys/src/git/silver/src/silver/ui/text.cc:58:83: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘(&(& operator<<(QDebug, const QMap<aKey, aT>&) [with aKey = QString, aT = QString]((*(const QMap<QString, QString>*)(& tags))).QDebug::operator<<(i))->QDebug::operator<<(fragments.QList<T>::size [with T = silver::ui::TextFragment]()))->QDebug::operator<<((*(const QString*)(& silver::ui::TextFragment::getText()()))) << c’ |
| 19:49.56 | Adys | christ |
| 19:50.18 | Iriel | Shirik: you should send me an invite, once you have some |
| 19:50.20 | Shirik | and you wonder why concept checking NEEDED TO BE IN C++0X |
| 19:50.25 | Adys | it's bad when you need indented and syntax-highlighted error messages |
| 19:50.32 | Shirik | Iriel: ok, or maybe Cide has some extras |
| 19:50.47 | Shirik | oh wait apparently I have some |
| 19:50.49 | Shirik | send me your email |
| 19:51.00 | Shirik | Adys: I once had a 500 line error message |
| 19:51.27 | Shirik | it resulted from combining generated code with template metaprogramming |
| 19:51.36 | mikma_ | iriel: what invites? :P |
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| 19:57.38 | cbreak | Adys: looks fun :) |
| 19:58.04 | cbreak | seems you're trying to qDebug() << someQMap |
| 19:58.43 | Adys | i am, but that works |
| 19:58.49 | Adys | its some other type that breaks |
| 19:59.41 | Iriel | mikma: I was referring to fitocracy |
| 20:00.05 | cbreak | fitocracy? Is that the sequel to idiocracy? |
| 20:01.35 | Kraps | http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/internet-memes-first-world-problems-its-taking-forever-to-close.jpg |
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| 20:13.50 | Shirik | cbreak: It turns fitness into a game |
| 20:15.13 | cbreak | soccer? :) |
| 20:15.45 | Shirik | ._. |
| 20:15.49 | Shirik | you don't level up in soccer |
| 20:15.53 | Shirik | unless it's made by EA Sports |
| 20:15.55 | Shirik | then you probably do |
| 20:15.57 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 20:16.08 | cbreak | tell that to the professionals who get traded around like merchandise |
| 20:16.18 | Thunder_Child | but soccer is still a game |
| 20:16.43 | Shirik | soccer's not fitness though |
| 20:16.45 | Shirik | it's acting |
| 20:17.13 | cbreak | news to me. |
| 20:18.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you go run around on a field for a few hours a day and tell me if you dont get fit |
| 20:18.49 | Shirik | this is soccer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yLDq0iK4U |
| 20:19.36 | mckenziemc | looks like youtube to me |
| 20:20.53 | cbreak | Shirik: here in europe this is soccer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8casK-wWILQ |
| 20:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | I'm pretty sure that's from the german tour of NBA Jam, cbreak |
| 20:23.00 | cbreak | nah, it's a recent soccer match |
| 20:23.23 | cbreak | they actually had to cancel it because some morons threw pyrotechnical explosion devices on families |
| 20:23.34 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 20:23.46 | Thunder_Child | because you can? |
| 20:23.47 | cbreak | hooligans |
| 20:23.59 | cbreak | well, happens all the time |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baby_Got_Back&diff=next&oldid=386459689 |
| 20:26.47 | foxlit | "You cannot view this diff because one or both of the revisions have been removed from the public archives. Details can be found in the deletion log for this page." |
| 20:26.53 | foxlit | wth happened later? |
| 20:27.57 | Shirik | what |
| 20:27.59 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 20:28.06 | foxlit | Your link is fine. |
| 20:28.10 | Shirik | oh the next one |
| 20:28.11 | foxlit | Click "next edit" for that message. |
| 20:28.39 | Shirik | er wtf |
| 20:28.46 | Shirik | who deleted that |
| 20:28.56 | Shirik | it's just putting the entire section back |
| 20:29.09 | Shirik | oh I see |
| 20:29.12 | Shirik | it was a stopgap |
| 20:29.46 | Shirik | apparently reddit was raiding the page by giving an old link to that page and telling them to hit "save" so it gets restored |
| 20:29.52 | Shirik | so it was deleted to prevent the link from being used |
| 20:30.28 | foxlit | wouldn't the previous version work just as well? |
| 20:30.35 | Shirik | HAHAHA |
| 20:30.44 | Shirik | there was actually an edit war about this |
| 20:30.44 | Shirik | wow |
| 20:31.24 | Shirik | (Reverted good faith edits by Cameron Scott; Deletion of entire section needs prior discussion. (TW)) (del/undel) | (there is one here Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Regulate_.28song.29; repeat additions of silly OR such as this will result in blocks) (del/undel) | (Reverted 1 edit by Ohnoitsjamie; That discussion is for the song Regulate and, although Baby Got Back is mentioned later on the page, |
| 20:32.04 | Shirik | edit wars on wikipedia are always amusing |
| 20:32.24 | cbreak | they should just close editing of wikipedia for all but registered people... |
| 20:32.36 | Shirik | those WERE registered AND established people |
| 20:32.51 | cbreak | then they should close editing for all registered people. |
| 20:32.59 | cbreak | easy. :) |
| 20:33.10 | Sintacks | that defeats the purpose of wiki ... |
| 20:33.22 | cbreak | so do edit wars |
| 20:33.45 | sylvanaar | they need a time out |
| 20:33.50 | Thunder_Child | "Wikipedia is a great idea, except when it is not" |
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| 20:35.15 | sylvanaar | Citation Needed |
| 20:35.25 | foxlit | tautology, imo |
| 20:35.41 | Shirik | I still think this was the best edit war ever http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Foot_Amputation.JPG&action=history |
| 20:36.00 | sylvanaar | is it a tautology, hm.. lets look on wikipedia |
| 20:36.21 | foxlit | sylvanaar: consult the handy [[List of tautologies]]? |
| 20:37.39 | sylvanaar | i really like the list of linguistic phases or whatever, link the 500 pord poem that is just the chinese word 'she' |
| 20:37.56 | sylvanaar | wow typing is bad today |
| 20:40.21 | sylvanaar | Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
| 20:40.24 | sylvanaar | that one |
| 20:40.43 | sylvanaar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo |
| 20:41.25 | sylvanaar | heres the chinese thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den |
| 20:41.56 | Moolgar | hey, can someone please help me 2 sec. i have this code (6 lines) : http://pastebin.com/dK90Aisi anyway when i go from stormwind to elwyn forest this reurn 30 in wowlua . but when i copy paste exactly same text in addon it return 301.. |
| 20:42.32 | Moolgar | sw = 301 and elwyn = 30 |
| 20:42.50 | Shirik | that was one of my unit tests for my natural language interpreter |
| 20:43.19 | sylvanaar | really, thats funny |
| 20:44.03 | Shirik | what is wowlua |
| 20:44.13 | Moolgar | ingame interpreter |
| 20:44.19 | Shirik | oh right |
| 20:44.25 | Shirik | I knew that |
| 20:44.34 | sylvanaar | its more like an editor |
| 20:44.42 | sylvanaar | and script store |
| 20:44.44 | Moolgar | but u understand why it work there, but not in addon ? |
| 20:44.56 | Moolgar | or why it return different value |
| 20:45.13 | Shirik | actually that seems impossible |
| 20:45.28 | Shirik | I mean wowlua doesn't really do anything special |
| 20:45.31 | sylvanaar | !api GetCurrentMapAreaID |
| 20:45.31 | lua_bot | GetCurrentMapAreaID: Returns an ID number for the current map zone (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapAreaID) |
| 20:45.39 | Shirik | I suspect that your test is flawed |
| 20:45.39 | Moolgar | exactly |
| 20:45.45 | Moolgar | thats what i thought too |
| 20:46.02 | Moolgar | i tryed copy paste it 3 times now :S |
| 20:46.03 | Arrowmaster | you arent setting the map to the current area |
| 20:46.09 | Moolgar | so im 100 % sure its same text |
| 20:46.15 | Shirik | do you need to update to current area? |
| 20:46.22 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:46.22 | Shirik | oh Arrowmaster beat me :( |
| 20:46.35 | Moolgar | setting map to current area ? |
| 20:46.43 | Arrowmaster | !api setmapto |
| 20:46.43 | lua_bot | SetMapToCurrentZone: Sets the world map to show the zone in which the player is located (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetMapToCurrentZone) |
| 20:46.56 | Shirik | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 20:46.58 | Shirik | DAMN IT |
| 20:46.59 | Shirik | stop that |
| 20:47.05 | Arrowmaster | ~failrik |
| 20:47.06 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:47.06 | Moolgar | thats not the problem |
| 20:47.10 | Moolgar | look |
| 20:47.11 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 20:47.14 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 20:47.17 | Iriel | Here's the issue |
| 20:47.25 | Iriel | In one case, you register the event BEFORE the game UI does |
| 20:47.27 | Iriel | and in the other you dont |
| 20:47.31 | nevcairiel | Really gotta hate all those stateful APIs |
| 20:47.35 | Iriel | the game UI calls SetMapToCurrentArea on the event |
| 20:47.47 | Iriel | SetMapToCurrentZone, sorry |
| 20:47.51 | Moolgar | but in that case why does it manage to return 301 in elwyn forest ? |
| 20:48.00 | Moolgar | when it should be 30 |
| 20:48.00 | Shirik | because your code is non-deterministic |
| 20:48.01 | Iriel | because you just transitioned zones |
| 20:48.13 | Iriel | You WERE in 301, you move to elwynn, now you're in 30 |
| 20:48.25 | Iriel | but if you ask before you call SetMapToCurrentArea you get the old value |
| 20:48.30 | Iriel | Try this.. |
| 20:48.38 | Iriel | keep the code you have |
| 20:48.41 | Arrowmaster | because the map is still on the old zone, the function you are calling only gives the id of the zone the map is set to, not the id of the zone you are in |
| 20:48.44 | nevcairiel | The map doesnt update on its own, it needs something to call the function - and getcurrantmapareaid responds to the map, not your actual position |
| 20:48.45 | Iriel | add SetMapToCurrentZone() after the print |
| 20:48.49 | Iriel | then do the Get and print a second time |
| 20:49.10 | Moolgar | okey, thx, i will try that |
| 20:49.16 | Iriel | When your code "works" you'll see the same number twice |
| 20:49.22 | Iriel | when you code "doesn't work"; you'll see different numbers |
| 20:49.25 | Shirik | btw I'm pretty sure my technical lead would die if I ever tried to explain the map system to him |
| 20:49.34 | Iriel | and then you can come back and say "Oh, Iguess you were right afterall" to the folks who helped you |
| 20:49.50 | Iriel | Shirik: I died a little inside when I first figured out how it was working |
| 20:49.56 | nevcairiel | I really wish they would de-couple the whole position system from the map |
| 20:50.04 | Iriel | nevcairiel: we've asked a few times |
| 20:50.13 | Iriel | nevcairiel: I guess it's not that easy, and not a high priority |
| 20:50.29 | nevcairiel | equally so, i wish they would do the same for the guild info systems being independent from the guild ui |
| 20:50.34 | sylvanaar | they need to add a new parameter like this "new_zone, current_return, old_zone, = GetCurrentMapAreaID" |
| 20:50.48 | sylvanaar | you see how much better that is |
| 20:51.15 | sylvanaar | i kept the old parameter right in the middle - for clarity |
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| 20:52.06 | Moolgar | i added SetMapToCurrentZone() and then i print print(ZoneName) another time. but that didnt work, still return 2 times 301 |
| 20:52.17 | Moolgar | but i'll try load the event later on like u said too |
| 20:52.20 | Arrowmaster | really its just a case of their UI doesnt need anything except the map position so they arent putting much effort into making the api better for us |
| 20:52.46 | sylvanaar | i think we all know that by now |
| 20:54.33 | sylvanaar | how you been Arrowmaster havent seen you in a while |
| 20:54.41 | Arrowmaster | fine |
| 20:55.06 | Arrowmaster | finally over the cold i got on the way home from blizzcon |
| 20:55.26 | sylvanaar | i have never been |
| 20:55.28 | Moolgar | i guess problem is like u said earlyer Iriel that it try to regiser before game UI does, but what kinda game ui should i register, after ? , like after map addon is loaded or ? |
| 20:56.07 | sylvanaar | Monolit: look at the source for the map |
| 20:56.31 | Arrowmaster | tab fail |
| 20:56.37 | sylvanaar | maybe theres an event like maybe... |
| 20:56.38 | Shirik | Moolgar: You shouldn't concern yourself with that |
| 20:56.47 | Shirik | let me see your new code |
| 20:56.52 | sylvanaar | !api zone_changed |
| 20:56.52 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'zone_changed': ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS, ZONE_CHANGED, ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
| 20:57.05 | Shirik | you should be trying to reduce coupling, not increase it |
| 20:57.19 | Shirik | trying to force a load order against the built-in UI is just asking for pain when a patch comes out |
| 20:57.50 | Iriel | underlines what shirik said and nods emphatically |
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| 20:58.14 | Arrowmaster | i would probably do something funny like using a dummy function that is registered to the event first and it unregisters and reregisters the proper function the first time its run |
| 20:58.41 | Iriel | Moolgar: You did call GetCurrentMapAreaID() a second time right? |
| 20:58.45 | Moolgar | http://pastebin.com/1YDQ8m8v |
| 20:58.49 | Iriel | Moolgar: not just print the old value twice |
| 20:59.00 | Iriel | You need to copy line 6 between lines 8 and 9 |
| 20:59.02 | Iriel | without the local |
| 20:59.09 | Iriel | Otherwise you're just printing the value from the first call |
| 20:59.21 | Arrowmaster | he can keep the local |
| 20:59.24 | Moolgar | ahh, damn oke, sec i'll try that |
| 20:59.25 | Iriel | he can |
| 20:59.28 | Iriel | but he shouldn't |
| 20:59.29 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 21:00.19 | sylvanaar | he can just move it out into the main chunk |
| 21:00.44 | Arrowmaster | nah then it would keep the value around for no reason |
| 21:02.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1868dd4ed2e4b4dccb8b63a36c825a47.png |
| 21:02.19 | Shirik | oops |
| 21:02.22 | Shirik | wrong channel |
| 21:02.51 | sylvanaar | wow you use proportional fonts |
| 21:03.07 | sylvanaar | ** my eyes ** |
| 21:03.17 | Shirik | wow you use technology from the 80s! |
| 21:03.29 | Moolgar | oke, everyone, thx a lot, works now ! wish i could help u guys back some way >< but rly thx a lot ! |
| 21:03.32 | Shirik | also, how are you supposed to see this |
| 21:03.33 | sylvanaar | so do you, mr vim |
| 21:03.33 | Shirik | ٩(•̮̮̃•̃)۶ |
| 21:03.40 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:04.09 | sylvanaar | what is that |
| 21:04.22 | nevcairiel | you can use monospace fonts and still get unicode support |
| 21:04.24 | Shirik | well what do you see |
| 21:04.57 | Moolgar | but still dont make much sense to me why it work in wowlua :S |
| 21:05.02 | nevcairiel | any good application will use the proper font interfaces, which means if your current font doesn't support some glyph, it'll go look for one that does |
| 21:05.11 | sylvanaar | either i dont have utf8 set up or i dont have those code points in my font |
| 21:05.17 | Shirik | sylvanaar: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1def78c04fe143c61a7c51b4f67ac77d.png |
| 21:05.17 | Moolgar | without the SetMapToCurrentZone() i mean |
| 21:05.31 | sylvanaar | ha |
| 21:05.34 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 21:05.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: thats not what it looks like for me |
| 21:05.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:05.56 | nevcairiel | Looks like that for me |
| 21:06.02 | nevcairiel | and i still have monospace! |
| 21:06.14 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 21:06.17 | foxlit | monospace for IRC? |
| 21:06.23 | nevcairiel | the left and right "ear" seem to be swapped for me |
| 21:06.23 | sylvanaar | um, yes |
| 21:06.25 | foxlit | you're reading text, mostly :P |
| 21:07.14 | nevcairiel | makes for easier reading, imho |
| 21:07.21 | sylvanaar | send it again |
| 21:07.22 | Shirik | need more heiroglyphics imo |
| 21:07.25 | Shirik | ٩(•̮̮̃•̃)۶ |
| 21:07.27 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 21:07.32 | sylvanaar | i didnt have utf8 on |
| 21:07.59 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ab78ed2b99d8e7260ee2e420f1e36ed7.png |
| 21:08.12 | Shirik | ha |
| 21:08.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:08.19 | Shirik | it looks deformed |
| 21:08.43 | nevcairiel | i still think its rather odd that i see the two ears swapped |
| 21:08.43 | Arrowmaster | i blame your proportional font for making you think it looks right |
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| 21:08.56 | nevcairiel | the "q" shaped ear is on the right for me. :p |
| 21:09.18 | sylvanaar | its on the left for me |
| 21:09.19 | Shirik | a̟̥͖̤̙̟ͣ̈̀͡t̢͓̤͉̮̻̘̾̓͗̈͟͜ ̴̨̠̯͍̪̼͔̼ͭ͜l̢̝͙ͨͪ̀͢e͇̝̫͔̠͐̅̀ͣͨ̓͗ͦ͢͟a͔̖͉̲̺̜̳̣͋̔̉̔̓̅ş̡̥̹̓ͨt̶̯̞̩͖̯̰͉̲̀ͅ ̵̞͍̻̺̯̖̺ͫͭ͆̀ͨͫi̵̦͖̎͜t̡̡̞͎̰̱̭̫ͧ̾̆̒͌ͪ͂'̴̛͈̜͍̈́̈́̇͋̀͂ͣ̉ͥ͜ͅş̱̙̅ͧ͋ͯͭ͌́̅̀ ̢̼̼͇̣̝̳̰̗̻̒́͜n̟͎͕̝̮͊̈̾͂ͯ̅̑̋ͦȏ̧̦͕̍͒ͫ͋̇̽͡t͎̰̱͖ͤ̾ͣ̅ͦ̔͌͞ Ì |
| 21:09.36 | Arrowmaster | !ops Shirik is spamming |
| 21:09.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:09.46 | Shirik | ok seriously I gotta go though |
| 21:09.48 | Shirik | bai |
| 21:17.12 | sylvanaar | i have been working on improving the autocompletion in my Lua editor, anyone have any thoughts on a fast method for infering the possible fields on a table. avoiding if possible using special "hints" |
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| 21:17.47 | Iriel | sylvanaar: that sounds particularly awkward unless you know exactly where the table came from |
| 21:17.53 | Iriel | sylvanaar: even then it's not easy |
| 21:18.03 | foxlit | textmate just keeps all of your identifier tokens in an autocomplete list. |
| 21:18.06 | Iriel | sylvanaar: perhaps just remember names from all tables and guess |
| 21:18.28 | foxlit | then probably biases completion to what you've used recently, as you're more likely to want to complete the same phrase twice |
| 21:18.52 | sylvanaar | yes, that is true |
| 21:19.13 | sylvanaar | and honestly many times that is what you want |
| 21:20.59 | Arrowmaster | i still wish there was a textmate for linux |
| 21:21.47 | sylvanaar | my idea was to take all the assinments in the code and track what fields are used on those variables. and build a map of fields that imply the existance of other fields |
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| 21:23.27 | sylvanaar | that way i an define things for the standard Lua API using plain Lua, or at least what fields go together e.g file:* |
| 21:33.09 | foxlit | I wish textmate would do folding properly |
| 21:33.20 | foxlit | not this half-assed "if the line matches this regex but not that regex" stuff :( |
| 21:34.06 | Arrowmaster | i wish i could find a text editor on linux i liked, everything powerful has horrible gui's |
| 21:34.18 | Arrowmaster | and everything with a good gui is weak |
| 21:34.59 | sylvanaar | i use 2 editors - a plain text mode editor and intelliJ |
| 21:35.51 | Arrowmaster | cream actually manages to give vim an awesome gui but nerfs it to hell in the process |
| 21:36.15 | sylvanaar | vim is very trendy again |
| 21:36.29 | Arrowmaster | i just cant stand gvim |
| 21:38.12 | sylvanaar | this was my idea on how to make table fields inferable using just lua source http://pastebin.com/he5JdxyJ if anyone was interested |
| 21:38.46 | sylvanaar | i dont like vim that much but, im not a text mode person either |
| 21:39.21 | foxlit | "Why is it that 1% of the Time Lords own 100% of the TARDISes?" thanks, reddit |
| 21:39.57 | sylvanaar | reddit has been overrun by OWS, i need to take a break from it |
| 21:41.14 | Kaso | Well there's only time lord left, so that maths doesnt add up. |
| 21:41.43 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 21:42.18 | foxlit | "left" is a weird concept |
| 21:42.23 | sylvanaar | is that another tautology |
| 21:42.41 | foxlit | all tautologies are tautologies. |
| 21:42.55 | sylvanaar | you have been saving that one up |
| 21:43.23 | foxlit | lies, it's just about bad enough to be thought up on the spot. |
| 21:43.36 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 21:43.55 | sylvanaar | but you didnt deny it |
| 21:44.25 | foxlit | calling it a lie is denying it :) |
| 21:44.55 | sylvanaar | semantics |
| 21:45.45 | foxlit | semantics are important :) |
| 21:48.47 | sylvanaar | the irony is i just spent the weekend working on a semantically aware editor. maybe i have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation |
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| 22:43.53 | Iriel | Cide: What's your BF3 soldier id |
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| 23:25.55 | Caribou| | is there a way to trigger something just before a disenchant, to prevent it ? |
| 23:26.14 | Sintacks | press esc |
| 23:26.17 | Sintacks | or jump |
| 23:26.23 | Sintacks | or stop casting |
| 23:26.42 | Kaso | i think he mean programmatically |
| 23:26.44 | Sintacks | Is there a scriptable event to do so? no.. i think... |
| 23:27.17 | Caribou| | i meant programmatically yes :) |
| 23:27.53 | Sintacks | pretty sure stopcasting is protected |
| 23:28.00 | Caribou| | i'm making an addon to prevent accidental sales, and while it works for selling i'm actually also looking to extend it to disenchant accidents |
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| 23:28.49 | cbreak | just remove the disenchant "spell" from the toolbar |
| 23:28.55 | Caribou| | but i want to be sure that i can't stop that kind of event before digging it |
| 23:29.59 | Caribou| | cbreak, programmatically ? :3 |
| 23:30.08 | cbreak | how ever you want |
| 23:30.20 | Caribou| | but if that want person actually want to disenchant !? |
| 23:30.26 | Caribou| | -want |
| 23:30.27 | cbreak | spellbook |
| 23:30.33 | Sintacks | Panda addon |
| 23:30.38 | Sintacks | or spellbook |
| 23:30.40 | Sintacks | or don't be stupid |
| 23:30.51 | Sintacks | there might be some event that would cause a stopcasting |
| 23:30.54 | Sintacks | but i can't think of one |
| 23:31.07 | Sintacks | I actually came up with a way to bring back ForeverAFK one day ... |
| 23:31.08 | Caribou| | wtf, this is an addon i'm starting from the state of mind that users will be stupid |
| 23:31.25 | Sintacks | I'm just being an ass, Caribou|. calm down brah |
| 23:31.39 | Caribou| | sorry i didn't detect it :( |
| 23:31.53 | Sintacks | find out if stopcasting is protected outside of combat |
| 23:31.56 | Sintacks | and if it isn't, use it |
| 23:32.14 | Sintacks | the hard part i think, is doing to be detecting if you are DE'ing something you aren't supposed to |
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| 23:33.16 | cbreak | you could just move the icon of the item into an other slot if someone points with a disenchant spell hand thing at it |
| 23:33.18 | foxlit | isn't there an "are you sure you want to disenchant?" warning anyway? |
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| 23:33.40 | Caribou| | cbreak indeed :o |
| 23:34.14 | Caribou| | foxlit, yes but the problem is that it's too common to ignore it if you are going to disenchant a bunch of items |
| 23:34.22 | Caribou| | to not* |
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| 23:41.51 | Caribou| | (apparently i can stopcast a disenchant :) |
| 23:43.25 | Kaso | Yeah the problem is stopcast is a protected function so you cant call it |
| 23:43.35 | cbreak | just make the victim enter the name of the thing he wants to disenchant |
| 23:44.36 | Caribou| | yes but then he'll have to do that for every disenchant |
| 23:44.43 | cbreak | yes |
| 23:44.47 | cbreak | isn't it great? |
| 23:45.02 | cbreak | it'll be like Windows Vista UAC! |
| 23:45.22 | cbreak | after that, sell your Windows 7 version of the addon that allows you to disable all the anoying stuff |
| 23:45.33 | cbreak | you'll be rich |
| 23:45.39 | Caribou| | not really :/ i keep a list of items a user want to protect and then i compare events items with that list |
| 23:45.45 | Caribou| | (haha) |
| 23:46.42 | Cide | Iriel: Sighed |
| 23:49.47 | Caribou| | if i can grab the even when the person is clicking "disenchant" i should be able to say, if the next onclick event is on [item blocked] then ALERT, shouldn't it ? note that i don't even know if that onclick event exists :/ |
| 23:50.01 | Caribou| | i* |
| 23:50.14 | Iriel | You might be able to pop your own window up over the top of the wow one |
| 23:50.26 | Iriel | (conditionally) |
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| 23:51.13 | cbreak | or you could just make new button widget things that look like a stop sign |
| 23:51.20 | cbreak | and put them onto all items you want to protect |
| 23:51.24 | cbreak | so the user can't click them :) |
| 23:51.40 | cbreak | (only when the disenchanting hand is active) |
| 23:52.24 | Caribou| | ahhh that's a nice idea :D |
