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| 00:33.34 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: ! |
| 00:34.05 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 00:35.02 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: people say you know about LOGIN_NO_BATTLENET_MANAGER |
| 00:40.06 | bluspacecow | live or PTR ? |
| 00:42.31 | Stanzilla | ptr |
| 00:57.40 | kd3 | eesh. big build today |
| 00:57.46 | kd3 | 132MB for the shared stuff |
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| 00:59.43 | bluspacecow | either port 1119 isn't open or the login serve is down |
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| 01:06.50 | Fisker | i'm sick kd3 |
| 01:06.59 | kd3 | like usual? |
| 01:08.22 | Fisker | mean |
| 01:08.30 | mckenziemc | we would be very concerned if you were healthy, Fisker |
| 01:08.35 | Fisker | nah this is all your fault mckenziemc |
| 01:09.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzEiPv4KHms |
| 01:10.06 | Fisker | y u no brain? |
| 01:10.12 | Fisker | Obviously one of it's favorite sleeping spots |
| 01:10.17 | Fisker | y u no brain human? |
| 01:40.59 | kd3 | emails away |
| 01:41.57 | foxlit | out of interest, what are you emailing? |
| 01:42.02 | TC-Away | and arived |
| 01:42.11 | kd3 | diffs of the ui between builds |
| 01:42.17 | Arrowmaster | my phone beeped right after you said that |
| 01:42.20 | kd3 | live->current ptr and prev->current ptr |
| 01:42.28 | foxlit | why? |
| 01:42.45 | kd3 | people asked some time back? I don't mind doing it as I have it nearly all scripted at this point |
| 01:42.56 | kd3 | just a heads-up if something changed in the ui that people have hooked in to |
| 01:43.07 | foxlit | People are weird. |
| 01:43.12 | kd3 | yar |
| 01:43.18 | foxlit | I mean, https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/ , get with the program :) |
| 01:43.34 | Fisker | y u no blizzcon downloader foxlit ? |
| 01:44.32 | foxlit | Hm, though tekkub is a bit slow, I guess. Regardless, it sounds like publishing those somewher would be better than relying on emails :) |
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| 01:45.30 | tekkub | kd3: mine grabs all the glue and stuff that the game exports now |
| 01:45.32 | tekkub | and the patch notes |
| 01:45.38 | tekkub | patch note diffs ftfw |
| 01:45.47 | kd3 | I probably should stop stripping the glue/lcdxml at some point |
| 01:45.52 | kd3 | tweaks his scripts |
| 01:46.06 | tekkub | if the game exports it, I put it in there |
| 01:46.07 | Fisker | tweaks kd3 |
| 01:46.16 | foxlit | glue is boring, though |
| 01:46.23 | Fisker | glue is nice |
| 01:46.25 | foxlit | Not like you can mess with it on any level at all. |
| 01:46.25 | Fisker | cause you can sniff it |
| 01:47.10 | mckenziemc | glues Fisker to a wall |
| 01:47.24 | Fisker | y u do dat mckenziemc ? |
| 01:47.51 | mckenziemc | because i'm nice |
| 01:50.06 | Fisker | why can't we have nice things mckenziemc ? |
| 01:50.15 | mckenziemc | because i have to pee |
| 01:51.51 | Fisker | Google needs to stop using Samsung for their phones |
| 01:55.09 | Ketho | hey thanks kd3 |
| 01:55.15 | kd3 | yw |
| 01:55.32 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 01:55.38 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 01:57.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.32 | Kaelten | ello |
| 02:01.05 | Cairenn | good bye |
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| 02:02.02 | Kaelten | bye! |
| 02:02.25 | Cairenn | sell! |
| 02:02.51 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 02:02.54 | Fisker | buy |
| 02:03.02 | Kaelten | hi Fisker |
| 02:03.05 | Cairenn | give away |
| 02:03.07 | Fisker | it's funny |
| 02:03.24 | Fisker | i thought Google's Nexus devices were developer phones :( |
| 02:04.33 | Arrowmaster | this is what their 4th phone? and i didnt think the first one carried the nexus name |
| 02:04.41 | Arrowmaster | the first one was the true dev phone |
| 02:05.53 | Fisker | it's only the 3rd |
| 02:06.05 | Arrowmaster | G1 then 3 nexus's right |
| 02:06.17 | Fisker | yeah well the G1 is not a nexus phone! |
| 02:06.18 | Fisker | :3 |
| 02:06.48 | Arrowmaster | the G1 had the ability to root it from a menu option didnt it? |
| 02:06.49 | Fisker | but it annoys we yet again have to get the retard version |
| 02:06.59 | Fisker | idk Arrowmaster |
| 02:07.35 | Arrowmaster | it was a pita to root my nexus s because i had to unlock the bootloader to do it, which causes a factory reset wipe of everything |
| 02:07.50 | Fisker | yeah that's default Arrowmaster |
| 02:08.16 | Arrowmaster | and even then the stock rom has a script in it that will reinstall the default bootloader |
| 02:08.20 | Fisker | that's why you root from day one :3 |
| 02:08.41 | Fisker | or unlock the bootloader |
| 02:09.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 02:09.12 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 02:09.17 | Kaelten | hi |
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| 02:27.16 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/2qE8a.jpg |
| 02:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | these next few months are gonna be a good and bad time to be a gamer |
| 02:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's already begun |
| 02:39.54 | Arrowmaster | too much to play |
| 02:40.14 | Arrowmaster | some im catching up on tv shows and anime i missed last week |
| 02:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | resistance 3, space marine, dead island, red orchestra 2, gears 3, ico/shadow hd, arkham city, dark souls, rage, orcs must die, forza 4, bf3, skyrim, saints row 3, halo HD |
| 02:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | and that's mostly just sept, oct, and november |
| 02:42.27 | Dagmar | I only care about Skyrim |
| 02:42.30 | durcyn | you need to refine your taste in games if that's your problem. |
| 02:42.36 | Dagmar | God only knows how much hardware i'll have to buy |
| 02:42.56 | Dagmar | It would sound paranoid if i said Bethesda were probably taking money from hardware vendors |
| 02:42.57 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:42.58 | Mr_Rabies | almost all those games are or will be stellar |
| 02:43.02 | Arrowmaster | ive got rage, arkham city, and bf3 all sitting here to be played |
| 02:43.21 | durcyn | space marine wasn't stellar. rage wasn't stellar. gears of war will never be stellar. |
| 02:43.45 | Dagmar | Yeah but Rage is available for rental at Redbox so it's got that going for it (as far as I care heh) |
| 02:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, i just listed stuff that came to mind, durcyn |
| 02:44.49 | Mr_Rabies | the space marine demo was pretty damned fun |
| 02:44.53 | Mr_Rabies | what wasn't good about it? |
| 02:45.19 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt impressed by the demo |
| 02:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | it basically felt like god of war only kratos also has a selection of heavy guns |
| 02:46.44 | Mr_Rabies | so far though i'm impressed with dark souls |
| 02:46.56 | Mr_Rabies | i'm like 50 hours in and like, maaaybe halfway through my first playthrough |
| 02:47.15 | Dagmar | eek |
| 02:47.40 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably be farther if i had played demon's souls but i haven't |
| 02:47.43 | Dagmar | I think I run out of steam on stuff somewhere around 60 and i just stop smelling roses and start killing people until the game is over |
| 02:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | that's not really an option in dark souls, there are no roses to smell |
| 02:48.23 | Dagmar | Yeah I hear it's mainly just screaming and pain |
| 02:48.57 | Dagmar | I'm more into sandbox-type stuff nowadays, although Fallout 3 I think backslid a bit |
| 02:49.46 | Dagmar | Too many years of playing these games and anything where I can easily see the rules and the dice being rolled, and I become resolutely unimpressed |
| 02:50.06 | Dagmar | The only reason I finished the last FF was out of spite |
| 02:50.26 | Dagmar | LInear is fine. Long and pointlessly wandering and still linear is not |
| 02:50.49 | Dagmar | If I'm going to wander around a landscape like a stoned hippie, I would prefer it be because I'm actually too high to remember where I was going |
| 02:50.53 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls is pretty sandboxy, you can do whatever you want in pretty much any order, though there's an easy way and a hard way |
| 02:51.09 | Dagmar | So long as there's clues about where you're heading into |
| 02:51.15 | Mr_Rabies | the easy way is the way that makes the most sense |
| 02:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, you have quests and if something is so bad it immediately kills you and you can barely scratch it, it's probably best to take an alternate route |
| 02:51.44 | Dagmar | I've seen some J-games where basically it was like EverQuest... Very little warning that you're about to be neck deep in flaming shit while you're still a newbcake |
| 02:51.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's not massive like bethesda games |
| 02:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | but it's a big world with lots of branching paths |
| 02:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | it feels like when i picked up wow for the first time |
| 02:52.12 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 02:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | like, here's a boss fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkF8KNkAdTo mildly nsfw i guess |
| 02:52.50 | Dagmar | Actually I should amend that statemnet about EverQuest. Generally there was NO warning the area you were entering would be swiftly and brutally fatal for you |
| 02:52.58 | Mr_Rabies | well, that's how dark souls is |
| 02:53.02 | Mr_Rabies | the warning is usually you dying |
| 02:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | but dying is a learning experience in dark souls |
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| 02:53.19 | Jamash|defrag | losing is fun! |
| 02:53.29 | Dagmar | So long as I'm not trapped there, or required to go back there and try my luck again just to get my loot back |
| 02:53.50 | Dagmar | Heh. NSFW |
| 02:54.01 | Jamash|defrag | I am of course referring to http://www.timdenee.com/oilfurnace/ |
| 02:54.04 | Dagmar | They didn't cater to the 14y old boys there at all |
| 02:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | well, you lose souls and humanity when you die in dark souls, and you do have to return to get them back, but it's not a huge loss to lose them |
| 02:54.33 | Jamash|defrag | oh great a giant evil spider queen with tits |
| 02:54.46 | Mr_Rabies | souls are your currency and humanity is your item drop rate, generally speaking |
| 02:55.02 | Dagmar | Jamash: That needs to be a game. |
| 02:55.16 | Dagmar | I would drop $100 on something that successfully combined Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress |
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| 02:55.21 | Mr_Rabies | you also lose your "human" state and become undead when you die, but you can become human again by consuming a humanity |
| 02:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | being human lets you do things like summon other players in, and also increases your item drop rate |
| 02:55.38 | Jamash|defrag | Dagmar: inorite |
| 02:55.51 | Dagmar | Dude I was seriously looking for the download link on that page |
| 02:55.51 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:55.59 | Jamash|defrag | we need to kidnap toady and notch and make them have software babies |
| 02:56.06 | Mr_Rabies | being undead lets you be summoned in to human players' games |
| 02:56.11 | Dagmar | I can get behind that plan |
| 02:56.29 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Now that's an interesing MP mechanic |
| 02:56.33 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately almost everyone is undead because being human is really damned hard on your first playthrough |
| 02:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot of cool mp mechanics |
| 02:56.41 | Jamash | DF is a game without a UI and Minecraft is a UI without a game :-/ |
| 02:56.46 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | like, you can invade other peoples' games and kill them |
| 02:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | and you get a portion of their souls and stuff |
| 02:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | but doing so puts you on a list of sinners |
| 02:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | and people who join a certain covenant (kinda like a game mechanics guild) can invade you with no warning and kill you too |
| 02:57.31 | Jamash | I bet it would be possible to bolt the minecraft renderer onto DF if we had the source code, but of course we don't |
| 02:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | kill sinners that is |
| 02:58.04 | Dagmar | Now that I can absolutely get behind |
| 02:58.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm in a covenant whose goal is to protect a forest area |
| 02:58.17 | Mr_Rabies | if anyone enters the forest i can invade and kill them and it's not a sin |
| 02:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | almost all the convenants match up to D&D alignments |
| 02:58.39 | Dagmar | the one major failing of most PvP systems is that there's really no downside to it for a greifer |
| 02:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | there's a covenant where you join up with the sister of the spider lady there |
| 02:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | you grow an egg on your head and get all kinds of crazy new abilities |
| 02:59.15 | durcyn | and then you kill yourself because you realize you spent an actual measurable portion of your life protecting a forest in a video game. |
| 02:59.15 | Jamash | so it's ranma 1/2? |
| 02:59.28 | Mr_Rabies | nah it owns durcyn |
| 02:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty fun, it's a really unconventional game |
| 03:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't have true multiplayer, but it's better that it doesn't |
| 03:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't be as fun if you could predictably have someone in your game and do co-op all the time |
| 03:00.25 | Jamash | durcyn: you're in a channel for people who write free addons for someone else's commercial MMORPG |
| 03:00.30 | Jamash | glass houses |
| 03:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's the kind of game where you'll die to the same boss 20-30 times in a row |
| 03:01.04 | Mr_Rabies | but on that last attempt you feel like a damned champion |
| 03:01.06 | Jamash | you mean, like wow? |
| 03:01.09 | Mr_Rabies | and you've learned so much in those 30 deaths |
| 03:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | so when you go back to killing "trash mobs" you're tearing them a new one |
| 03:01.44 | Mr_Rabies | until you get to a new area where they bite your damned head off or something |
| 03:02.31 | Ketho | raid finder seems to be up on PTR |
| 03:02.58 | Mr_Rabies | the combat is intense and really really fun, it's really easy to forget you're playing a game after a while |
| 03:03.13 | Mr_Rabies | even though it's third person |
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| 03:03.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically exactly what i wanted from skyrim |
| 03:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt skyrim can live up to my expectations now |
| 03:04.01 | Mr_Rabies | now that i know it's possible to make a more awesome version of it |
| 03:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | dovahkiin is awesome, but this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93LFz_j5fQA is amazing :p |
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| 03:12.45 | Mr_Rabies | oh mannn |
| 03:12.51 | Mr_Rabies | i wanna play it but i have a paper due tomorrow |
| 03:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGEPwOkE8AI&feature=relmfu |
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| 03:26.07 | Stanzilla | Fisker: why are GMs taking so long to respond to my ticket? :< |
| 03:28.22 | Megalon | you are fuskered beyond believe Stanzilla |
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| 03:42.37 | Fisker | because Stanzilla |
| 03:42.48 | Fisker | they're busy wasting time on answering MoP and Annual Pass questions |
| 03:43.27 | bluspacecow | hai2u fiskery fisker |
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| 03:58.23 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 03:58.32 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:58.38 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:59.12 | Cairenn | Was so good seeing you two! |
| 03:59.20 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 04:02.41 | bluspacecow | kk BRB |
| 04:02.55 | Mr_Rabies | notes that Cairenn is in cahoots with the burning legion |
| 04:03.11 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | look lady you just hugged sargeras, i got irc logs :O |
| 04:04.04 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 04:05.32 | Cairenn | What can I say, he's just too sexy for words |
| 04:06.04 | Torhal | Is that why he doesn't speak? |
| 04:06.05 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:06.19 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 04:07.59 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 04:08.09 | bluspacecow | yessum |
| 04:08.31 | Fisker | hey |
| 04:08.45 | Fisker | wanna be bb's? |
| 04:09.13 | A-KO^ | bluspacecow is my buddy |
| 04:19.49 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 04:37.22 | Sargeras | thanks Cairenn |
| 04:37.26 | Sargeras | was great to see you too :) |
| 04:37.27 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:37.40 | Sargeras | havent used the cuffs yet |
| 04:37.44 | Sargeras | but soon |
| 04:37.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:39.03 | bluspacecow | cuffs |
| 04:39.06 | bluspacecow | and cairenn |
| 04:39.15 | bluspacecow | should we be fasicinated ? |
| 04:39.21 | Cairenn | whistles an innocent little tune |
| 04:39.57 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:42.56 | Nechckn | Yet another year we have been deprived of the ever-so-popular CairennCam Live Feed!!! |
| 04:43.35 | Cairenn | Heh, and it would have been a good year for it, at that |
| 04:44.14 | Nechckn | See!! =) |
| 04:44.14 | Cairenn | I handed out handcuffs, I was looking FINE at the dinner Thursday, danced my ass off (and that of a few others, right Torhal?) on Friday night |
| 04:45.00 | Nechckn | Argh... |
| 04:45.07 | Nechckn | covers my ears with my wings. |
| 04:45.08 | Cairenn | And not a single picture of any of them to prove it, RAWR! |
| 04:45.23 | Nechckn | Mmmmhmmm.. I'm sure there was a spy somewhere. |
| 04:47.09 | Arrowmaster | i was there, i dont need any more proof |
| 04:47.41 | Nechckn | Memories fade, silly - and many of us do not have said memories to even fade! |
| 04:47.47 | Sargeras | I didnt see the dancing (poop), but I was one of the lucky recipoents of said handcuffs |
| 04:48.25 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 04:48.30 | bluspacecow | dancing poop ? |
| 04:48.33 | Sargeras | I've been trying to get Dolby to dance for YEARS |
| 04:48.35 | Sargeras | YEARS |
| 04:48.39 | Sargeras | and I misseed it |
| 04:48.40 | Sargeras | *@$^(*&&%)(*)% |
| 04:48.43 | Arrowmaster | i saw him dance! |
| 04:48.58 | dolby | >:) |
| 04:49.06 | Sargeras | YOU |
| 04:49.10 | Sargeras | I will make you dance |
| 04:49.11 | Sargeras | someday |
| 04:49.40 | Sargeras | so I'm sitting at my account management page |
| 04:49.48 | Sargeras | debating about resubbing for the annual pass |
| 04:49.54 | dolby | haha |
| 04:50.00 | dolby | doit |
| 04:50.04 | Sargeras | april is asleep |
| 04:50.23 | Sargeras | it's either sub, or go watch DS9 on Netflix |
| 04:50.31 | Arrowmaster | DS9 |
| 04:50.31 | Sargeras | and eat ice cream |
| 04:50.35 | Sargeras | I love ice cream |
| 04:51.10 | dolby | do all 3 |
| 04:52.03 | dolby | i wont tell |
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| 04:58.45 | Shirik | http://i.imgur.com/oaDyU.jpg |
| 04:59.59 | Sargeras | There you are.... frieeennndddd.... |
| 05:00.15 | Sargeras | I want that outside my door for the kids |
| 05:01.14 | Shirik | I swear to god |
| 05:01.16 | Shirik | I work with morons |
| 05:02.15 | Shirik | "We can't make a VSI because sometimes we get 2 altitude values and sometimes we only get 1, and when we get 2 then we think we're not climbing so we go to 0" |
| 05:02.29 | Shirik | "So you add up the difference in altitude over 1 second and compute it that way" |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | "oh wow we didn't think of that" |
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| 05:02.39 | Shirik | like really? |
| 05:02.58 | Sargeras | I have no idea what you just said... but it sounds important |
| 05:03.01 | Arrowmaster | VSI? |
| 05:03.52 | Shirik | vertical speed indicator |
| 05:03.59 | Shirik | tells you how fast you're climbing or descending |
| 05:04.49 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:05.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:05.24 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 05:05.53 | Shirik | yes Fisker |
| 05:06.14 | Fisker | oh ok Shirik |
| 05:07.24 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 05:07.27 | Shirik | did I tell you my new idea? |
| 05:09.04 | bluspacecow | suprise butt sex with Fisker ? |
| 05:09.10 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 05:09.33 | Shirik | Thrall, Guardian of the Elements. Unique. You pay 8 less to play this ally if you control each of the following: Fire card, frost card, melee card, and nature card. <p>Other abilities, allies, and equipment you control can't be destroyed. |
| 05:09.45 | Shirik | Great-Father Winter. Unique. 0 >>> Target player gains control of target ability, ally, or equipment you control. Use only once per turn. |
| 05:10.02 | Shirik | Hesriana. Pet(1). When hesriana enters play, you may remove target opposing ally from the game, and hesriana has that card's printed powers while it remains removed from the game. |
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| 05:10.45 | Shirik | Play thrall, give him to opponent, play another thrall, play hesriana, eat thrall, all of your abilities/allies/equipment are now indestructable |
| 05:11.46 | Arrowmaster | what does unique mean? |
| 05:11.55 | Shirik | You can only have one in play at one time. |
| 05:11.55 | Arrowmaster | only one in play or only one in deck? |
| 05:12.49 | Arrowmaster | sounds like it will be nerfed if anybody actually dares to play it |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik | It's kinda complicated |
| 05:13.19 | Shirik | which is its downside |
| 05:15.45 | Fisker | i played thrall |
| 05:15.46 | Fisker | like a bitch |
| 05:17.38 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3430937603 |
| 05:17.39 | bluspacecow | wtf |
| 05:18.51 | Arrowmaster | look at the post dates |
| 05:19.12 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what the wtf was over |
| 05:19.27 | bluspacecow | 1st post from today 2nd post reply from feb ? |
| 05:19.41 | Arrowmaster | blizzes forum software is probably reusing old id's or something |
| 05:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | that or seerah is a time traveler |
| 05:21.10 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 05:21.29 | bluspacecow | her tardis corrupted the thread |
| 05:24.41 | kd3 | gack |
| 05:24.49 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/FYXlD.jpg |
| 05:30.38 | Torhal | Cairenn: Yes, I definitely saw other people dancing. |
| 05:30.40 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:32.16 | kd3 | for various values of the word "dancing" |
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| 05:38.06 | Cairenn | Torhal: heh, nice try |
| 05:38.23 | bluspacecow | *dances with Cairenn* |
| 05:38.26 | bluspacecow | the charleston! |
| 05:38.32 | Torhal | Thanks! |
| 05:38.35 | Cairenn | You just don't want to admit that it was you up there too |
| 05:38.44 | Cairenn | bluspacecow: heehhe |
| 05:38.45 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:38.53 | Torhal | Screenshot or it didn't happen? |
| 05:38.57 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 05:45.41 | pompy | Torhal was definitely on the dance floor |
| 05:45.48 | Cairenn | That he was |
| 05:46.55 | Torhal | Identity theft! |
| 05:47.01 | Torhal | Some hippy stole my badge! |
| 05:47.15 | Megalon | and your face |
| 05:47.34 | Torhal | You weren't there! |
| 05:47.56 | Megalon | which makes it more like an identity unburden than theft |
| 05:48.17 | Megalon | doesn't mean i can't spout truths Torhal, you know |
| 05:48.20 | Torhal | o.O |
| 05:48.46 | Torhal | throws Megalon at bluspacecow and heads for the door. |
| 05:49.00 | Megalon | don't make those eyes Torhal |
| 05:49.11 | Megalon | you wanna be friends with christopher walken? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73a0h6h1IKQ |
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| 05:57.33 | Arrowmaster | i think i got a cold one the way home, been getting worse since tuesday, just took some suphedrine and going to try to sleep it off |
| 06:02.50 | haste | drink water |
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| 06:25.31 | Fisker | haste |
| 06:25.34 | Fisker | bitches |
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| 06:32.33 | Megalon | Fisker, sometimes i rub vaseline on my stomach and pretend im a slug |
| 06:33.24 | Fisker | oh ok Megalon |
| 06:33.27 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 06:33.32 | Fisker | you getting a galaxy nexus? |
| 06:34.15 | Shirik | btw Fisker |
| 06:34.22 | Shirik | I have an iphone 4s |
| 06:34.28 | Fisker | so what Shirik ? |
| 06:35.02 | Shirik | Fisker: so u mad |
| 06:35.14 | Fisker | so even a muscle contracted Shirik |
| 06:44.21 | Shirik | So I looked up the word "misogyny" |
| 06:44.29 | Shirik | Definition: See "misandry" |
| 06:44.34 | Shirik | I looked up misandry |
| 06:44.49 | Shirik | "on the model of misogyny" |
| 06:45.06 | Shirik | I'm so confused |
| 06:45.59 | Megalon | well, it's the same, you just s/men/women/ |
| 06:46.28 | Shirik | I still don't know what either is |
| 06:46.34 | Shirik | since they just point at each other |
| 06:47.03 | Megalon | oh |
| 06:47.17 | Megalon | misogyny is the hatred towards females |
| 06:47.24 | Megalon | misandry the same towards males |
| 06:48.29 | Shirik | ok |
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| 06:53.07 | Wobin | and misanthropy is just people |
| 06:54.53 | Iriel | misanthropy is soylent green? |
| 06:55.38 | Megalon | misynthropy is the love for soylent green |
| 06:55.52 | Iriel | Well, it IS delicious |
| 07:07.27 | Wobin | and nutritious! |
| 07:07.30 | Wobin | is what he eats |
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| 07:22.09 | tekkub | rarw |
| 07:22.14 | tekkub | s/rarw/rawr/ |
| 07:25.39 | Maldivia | heh |
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| 08:18.17 | haste | on windows, can I remap keys without having to relog? or will I have to create another layout with the changes I want? |
| 08:22.40 | haste | hm, looks like I'm stuck with relogging |
| 08:22.53 | haste | can't modify tab,shift,control,etc through the layout files |
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| 08:59.46 | [Wobin] | haste: yeah, you can only relog |
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| 09:20.16 | Maldivia | ok - is it possible to pipe stderr, but ignore stdout? |
| 09:21.35 | Antze | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2342826/how-to-pipe-stderr-and-not-stdout |
| 09:22.03 | Maldivia | Antze: yeah, just found that as well, after having tried 100 different combinations :P |
| 09:22.23 | Antze | :) |
| 09:22.39 | Maldivia | having the redirects in the correct order helps :P |
| 09:22.49 | Maldivia | but thanks :) |
| 09:23.18 | Antze | actually I just typed in "pipe stderr" into google... though if I had to do it myself, I'd probably spend a lot of time trying to recall that it's called piping |
| 09:23.22 | Antze | but you helped me :) |
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| 09:24.38 | Maldivia | guess I should limit what I type in google next time, heh |
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| 09:45.32 | bluspacecow | kk home tiems |
| 09:48.20 | Cairenn | night blu |
| 10:00.52 | Cairenn | Night guys |
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| 10:17.02 | bluspacecow | Heh |
| 10:17.17 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 10:17.23 | jnwhiteh | ohai |
| 10:17.29 | bluspacecow | Free wifi @ bakery's working tonight |
| 10:18.18 | Fisker | imad jnwhiteh |
| 10:18.28 | bluspacecow | Y? |
| 10:18.33 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 10:18.43 | Fisker | no 32GB Galaxy Nexus here :( |
| 10:19.18 | Megalon | you can always buy the 16GB and just download more ram Fisker |
| 10:19.33 | bluspacecow | Awwqqqqqq |
| 10:20.35 | jnwhiteh | I mean unless you keep your entire music collection on the device, I don't see tha tbeing a problem. |
| 10:21.46 | bluspacecow | Om nom no |
| 10:21.55 | bluspacecow | >_< dang autocorrect |
| 10:22.53 | Fisker | owned |
| 10:23.02 | Megalon | jnwhiteh: Fisker as 29GB of ragemusic |
| 10:23.05 | Megalon | has :< |
| 10:23.11 | jnwhiteh | RAEG |
| 10:23.19 | Megalon | TROGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR |
| 10:23.48 | jnwhiteh | BURNINATING THE PEOPLE |
| 10:24.08 | bluspacecow | I had roast beef |
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| 10:49.40 | jnwhiteh | Okay, so what the heck has all this got to do with you? Well, today Brad has just revealed a brand new code which could make you rich... very, very rich. Now, have I got your attention...? Thought so. |
| 10:50.04 | jnwhiteh | so much wowspam, this was sent to like.. everyone |
| 10:50.16 | jnwhiteh | zam, wowguru, curse, wowprogramming, stratics, tcgplayer, etc. |
| 10:50.19 | jnwhiteh | try harder fail |
| 10:50.25 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.11 | Maldivia | ok... |
| 10:52.27 | haste | [Wobin]: *sadface* |
| 10:52.33 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/M7AKDYa3ZBsm36oGzBBM/ |
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| 10:55.14 | Fisker | laughs at jnwhiteh's sandals |
| 10:55.17 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:56.59 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 10:57.06 | Fisker | so |
| 10:57.12 | Fisker | looking forward to the galaxy nexus? |
| 10:57.38 | haste | still not sure! |
| 10:58.34 | Fisker | you should be |
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| 11:21.08 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh Android isn't an operating system |
| 11:21.18 | Fisker | because it has multiple versions |
| 11:21.29 | Fisker | meaning pretty much every OS isn't one |
| 11:21.30 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 12:24.21 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/599 |
| 12:24.22 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 12:27.54 | BlackNet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.56 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 12:35.16 | Kalroth | http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/e/e6/Okay_guy.jpg |
| 12:36.07 | BlackNet | here's one. seeing glyphs in game on inspect. |
| 12:36.19 | BlackNet | didn't we have that ability at one time? |
| 12:36.43 | jnwhiteh | you can get the talents |
| 12:36.48 | jnwhiteh | it might be available in the same way |
| 12:37.14 | BlackNet | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424906781?page=1 <- ran into this problem |
| 12:37.51 | jnwhiteh | I mean, not quite a problem, it's just not supported |
| 12:37.55 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 12:37.59 | Fisker | beta and patch tonight? |
| 12:38.08 | jnwhiteh | What are you trying to see from someone's glyphs? |
| 12:38.15 | jnwhiteh | out of curiosity? |
| 12:38.38 | BlackNet | which ones they are using. note the armory link i posted in the thread |
| 12:39.37 | jnwhiteh | you can go to the website |
| 12:39.39 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 12:40.03 | jnwhiteh | perhaps they'll add support for it at some point |
| 12:41.11 | BlackNet | would have been picked up earlier if inspect did show that info. |
| 12:41.12 | jnwhiteh | I think it's a bit .. bizarre that you think Blizzard has any interest in helping you to "school up noobs, scurbs [sic], rejects and other non-desirable players", however. |
| 12:41.16 | jnwhiteh | but perhaps that's just me |
| 12:41.39 | BlackNet | i was in vent lissening to what was going on and a guildie ask me to look him up because they had some major problems with this guy |
| 12:41.48 | BlackNet | that's what they said at blizzcon |
| 12:42.26 | jnwhiteh | I was at Blizzcon and I don't recall that being any of their goals |
| 12:42.35 | BlackNet | said they want to turn scrubs into raiders so they could experience content |
| 12:42.36 | Fisker | lol sandals jnwhiteh |
| 12:43.12 | jnwhiteh | I'd hope that Blizzard wouldn't refer to their subscribers/playerbase as 'scrubs' |
| 12:43.15 | Fisker | umad BlackNet ? |
| 12:43.22 | BlackNet | Fisker ? |
| 12:43.31 | jnwhiteh | and they're working with the raid finder to make content more accessible to people who have not raided before |
| 12:43.31 | BlackNet | what would i be mad about? |
| 12:43.47 | Fisker | people experiencing content you're also experiencing |
| 12:44.17 | BlackNet | Fisker why would that make me mad? |
| 12:44.19 | jnwhiteh | I just think you had a bit of a bad attitude =/ |
| 12:44.22 | jnwhiteh | but perhaps that's just me |
| 12:44.25 | Fisker | umad BlackNet |
| 12:45.08 | jnwhiteh | having the players help to educate newer players is fine, but I doubt the ability of someone who refers to them as 'noobs and scurbs' to be able to do that in a way that is beneficial to anyone |
| 12:45.26 | BlackNet | ok so you have me on wording :) |
| 12:46.09 | Fisker | umadbro |
| 12:46.21 | jnwhiteh | It would be nice if they would build something in-game that checks to make sure a character is 'ready' |
| 12:46.34 | jnwhiteh | i.e. do they have bags in all slots, do they have glyphs chosen, talents set |
| 12:46.43 | jnwhiteh | but it'll all become less confusing in 5.0 as well |
| 12:47.27 | Fisker | LFM Firelands must have all bagslots filled with Illusionary Bags |
| 12:47.42 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:51.06 | BlackNet | also what would be super helpful is when you goto the vendors if you could sort the display by recomended talent spec |
| 12:51.21 | BlackNet | i.e. i want to see only prot paly gear at the valor vendor |
| 12:51.51 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that would be a whole new system needing to be exposed |
| 12:51.53 | jnwhiteh | but would be nice |
| 12:52.17 | jnwhiteh | when talents go away and 'spec' is everything, that will allow for some things to be cleaned up |
| 12:52.19 | BlackNet | or have a 'recomended for' tag on some gear |
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| 12:56.53 | BlackNet | Fisker one of the things my guild does is bring new people into raids and help teach them the fights |
| 13:02.06 | Kraps | I fear my enthusiasm flags when real work is demanded of me. - H. P. Lovecraft |
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| 13:23.56 | Fisker | sounds like uguilty BlackNet |
| 13:33.28 | karl_w_w | can u do chimeron by just stacking for the whole fight? |
| 13:34.03 | Fisker | no karl_w_w |
| 13:34.04 | Fisker | umad? |
| 13:34.10 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/63Ig7.jpg |
| 13:34.31 | BlackNet | karl_w_w have often wondered that |
| 13:34.35 | BlackNet | try it and see |
| 13:35.01 | karl_w_w | sadly im not there :P |
| 13:36.09 | [Wobin] | it's a whole lot more healing |
| 13:36.24 | BlackNet | that's ok i dont take out the worms on alysrazor |
| 13:36.44 | Fisker | owned Kraps |
| 13:37.05 | BlackNet | have like 4 worms up in tornado phase is enjoyable |
| 13:37.07 | [Wobin] | that's healing everyone 10k for everyone for each caustic slime, instead of one |
| 13:37.47 | BlackNet | chain heals, most healers have it :) |
| 13:37.57 | [Wobin] | druids don't =P |
| 13:38.15 | BlackNet | uhm sure about that? |
| 13:38.23 | [Wobin] | well, wild growth has a cooldown |
| 13:38.32 | [Wobin] | as does efflorescence |
| 13:38.46 | BlackNet | and circles |
| 13:38.56 | Cide | you can do it now I'm sure |
| 13:38.58 | [Wobin] | swiftmend also has a cooldown |
| 13:38.59 | Cide | not when the content was current however |
| 13:39.08 | [Wobin] | yeah, they have nerfed it a lot |
| 13:39.36 | Cide | now you also only get 2 caustic slime waves per massacre instead of 3 |
| 13:40.11 | Kraps | the thread is utterly flooded with sarcasm, awesome http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lqaks/my_25_character_unlock_key_for_battlefield_3/ |
| 13:40.45 | [Wobin] | everyone will also have a reduced chance to hit |
| 13:40.54 | [Wobin] | but I dunno if that's even relevant |
| 13:42.09 | Cide | it is |
| 13:42.12 | Cide | it's -75% |
| 13:42.19 | Cide | for like 5s |
| 13:42.22 | Cide | so it's significant |
| 13:43.44 | [Wobin] | ah |
| 13:43.56 | [Wobin] | but with increased dps for that 25%? =) |
| 13:45.01 | Cide | hm? |
| 13:45.16 | [Wobin] | I guess, depending on overgearedness |
| 13:45.37 | [Wobin] | and the amount nerfed for the encounter, facerolling by disregarding the usual technique can be overcome |
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| 13:54.41 | BlackNet | so world bosses should be up today |
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| 14:06.34 | Kraps | this is awesome http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/612 |
| 14:19.52 | karl_w_w | priest t13 is the best one obviously |
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| 14:21.27 | karl_w_w | paladin just looks comical |
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| 14:27.14 | Kraps | wat i didnt realize the extent of this http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/27/blizzcons-peculiar-homophobic-moment/ |
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| 14:31.31 | bluspacecow | is it me or are they implying that the unedited version if the clip was played ? |
| 14:32.02 | bluspacecow | "Introduced on stage by Blizzardâs art director, Sam Didier, the singer, George Fisher, then joined Didierâs band. The unedited version of the clip played, which you can watch here (please be warned, it really is a non-stop stream of swearing and homophobic crap), shows some really grim stuff" |
| 14:32.30 | Kraps | idk |
| 14:32.34 | karl_w_w | just poor language skills bluspacecow |
| 14:32.56 | karl_w_w | they mean the unedited version of what was played shows some really grim stuff |
| 14:33.47 | jnwhiteh | yeah, what karl_w_w said |
| 14:34.02 | jnwhiteh | saying that its in bad taste because it came from a really caustic diatribe |
| 14:35.02 | alestane | i.e., it would have been far better for Blizzard to show zero tolerance for this kind of behavior, rather than even conditional endorsement. |
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| 14:35.58 | jnwhiteh | Personally, I don't think it matters, in the context of the setup/song what was played made sense |
| 14:36.04 | Kraps | blizzard already gets shit for "horde favoritism", why would they do this? and the clip is YEARS old |
| 14:36.20 | jnwhiteh | because its a fun song |
| 14:36.24 | jnwhiteh | about Thrall |
| 14:36.45 | Kraps | ok? |
| 14:36.47 | jnwhiteh | that the alliance dont' particularly like because there isn't anyone even remotely as bad-ass on the alliance |
| 14:36.52 | jnwhiteh | and they were playing their songs |
| 14:37.12 | jnwhiteh | TAFKATAFKAL80ETC is not Blizzard |
| 14:37.21 | jnwhiteh | it contains Blizzard fanbois who happen to work for Blizzard :P |
| 14:37.34 | Kraps | i dont agree :/ |
| 14:37.38 | jnwhiteh | none of whom work on any warcraft product right now |
| 14:37.54 | jnwhiteh | afaik |
| 14:38.02 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure how its anything *but* |
| 14:38.25 | jnwhiteh | if someone complains about there not being a protoss statue at Blizzcon, should they hide the Kerrigan one? |
| 14:38.27 | bluspacecow | dear silly forum goer |
| 14:38.34 | Kraps | i'm not talking about the song itself, just the corpsgrinder bit |
| 14:38.36 | bluspacecow | the word is "you" not "u" |
| 14:38.39 | bluspacecow | thank you |
| 14:39.29 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: because when they caught word that someone from a death metal band they enjoyed liked WoW, they called him in to do.. the death metal part of the song |
| 14:40.04 | jnwhiteh | Samwise certainly made it out to be a pretty cool moment for him, having someone truly death metal helping with the song |
| 14:40.06 | Kraps | again, that clip is YEARS old. way to jump on the bandwagon |
| 14:40.07 | jnwhiteh | They're people too |
| 14:40.19 | karl_w_w | <jnwhiteh> TAFKATAFKAL80ETC is not Blizzard <- putting them on stage = endorsement |
| 14:40.19 | jnwhiteh | Since when has Blizzard *ever* been timely? |
| 14:40.31 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: so? |
| 14:40.42 | karl_w_w | so what does it matter if they work for blizz or not |
| 14:40.45 | jnwhiteh | you can endorse someone without the thing you're endorsing BEING you |
| 14:41.02 | jnwhiteh | what bothers you about the cannibal corpse video? |
| 14:41.15 | karl_w_w | nothing i havent seen it :P |
| 14:41.27 | jnwhiteh | I was asking Kraps |
| 14:41.42 | jnwhiteh | and for that very reason, I'm not going to have a principled discussion about the state of moral and ethics in corporate america |
| 14:41.46 | jnwhiteh | at least not with this as the premise :P |
| 14:42.02 | jnwhiteh | but I don't mind discussing what actually happened and how we as fans/customers can react to it |
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| 14:42.28 | karl_w_w | i am going to write a strongly worded letter to my local political representative |
| 14:42.37 | alestane | http://lab.jeffbatterton.com/iphone-css3/ |
| 14:42.42 | Kraps | it was poor desicion |
| 14:43.00 | jnwhiteh | Could they have found a better clip to present George? Yes. Do they have film production companies that could have prompted and recorded anything they wanted? Yes. Was it in poor taste? Yes. |
| 14:43.11 | dardack_work | most corp's would back away from anything homophobic, listening to the bleeped version I didn't realize it was homophobic tho, however why they would choose this as they are always being blamed for being horde biased (which I can see the argument at times) but eh i didn't see a big deal with it |
| 14:43.13 | jnwhiteh | But.. get over it? |
| 14:43.28 | jnwhiteh | The 'horde biased' thing is just plain bullshit |
| 14:43.33 | jnwhiteh | the accusations and the reality of it |
| 14:43.45 | jnwhiteh | and people need to grow up if they continue pushing that argument |
| 14:44.02 | Kraps | there is certainly an "air" of it |
| 14:44.04 | dardack_work | i don't push it, i can see how some people think that way, even tho I dno't agree, and I play alliance only |
| 14:44.06 | jnwhiteh | as far as gameplay goes they are equal |
| 14:44.11 | jnwhiteh | lore and art wise they will NEVER be |
| 14:44.29 | jnwhiteh | anyone how picked up WoW without understanding this was deluded, or had never seen a single WoW-world game before |
| 14:44.30 | dardack_work | i don't think people are talking about gameplay when they say biased, they are talking lore |
| 14:44.42 | jnwhiteh | well, one story is compelling, the other isn't. |
| 14:44.51 | jnwhiteh | they've done quite a bit to make the alliance story more compelling |
| 14:44.55 | jnwhiteh | but that's not their job |
| 14:44.56 | Kraps | and the impression of blizzard employees |
| 14:45.05 | dardack_work | how is it not their job? |
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| 14:45.23 | jnwhiteh | where did they promise you that the factions would have lore/art/story parity? |
| 14:45.24 | jnwhiteh | they didn't. |
| 14:45.29 | jnwhiteh | therefore, its not their job to deliver that |
| 14:45.41 | jnwhiteh | not even close to an implied contract |
| 14:45.41 | karl_w_w | it's their job to keep people happy so they keep paying |
| 14:45.52 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 14:45.57 | karl_w_w | treating one faction as lesser than the other in lore is not fulfilling that |
| 14:46.00 | jnwhiteh | and the best investment there is *gameplay* |
| 14:46.08 | jnwhiteh | there's plenty of alliance love at Blizzcon |
| 14:46.12 | jnwhiteh | Again, I was there, the whole time. |
| 14:46.20 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: ... you could argue that they dont need any story at all? |
| 14:46.30 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: yes.. I could |
| 14:46.33 | jnwhiteh | anyone could |
| 14:47.06 | karl_w_w | saying that's not their job is ridiculous |
| 14:47.10 | Kraps | they could just cancle the game too |
| 14:47.12 | karl_w_w | there is a story department |
| 14:47.17 | jnwhiteh | Yes, there is, I've been there |
| 14:47.21 | karl_w_w | what are they, only doing horde story dev? |
| 14:47.25 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 14:47.33 | jnwhiteh | as evidenced by the rich Alliance lore |
| 14:47.43 | jnwhiteh | see Worgen/Goblin |
| 14:47.53 | bluspacecow | "jnwhiteh: TAFKATAFKAL80ETC is not Blizzard" <-------------- They're all Blizzard Employees |
| 14:47.54 | jnwhiteh | the Worgen storyline is 100% original to WoW and has been coming for a long time |
| 14:47.57 | jnwhiteh | bluspacecow: and? |
| 14:48.15 | jnwhiteh | bluspacecow: just because the individuals of a group are all part of another group doesn't mean the first group IS the second. |
| 14:48.21 | jnwhiteh | that's ludicrous |
| 14:48.36 | jnwhiteh | The goblin storyline doesn't THINK about being compelling, compared to the Worgen |
| 14:48.43 | jnwhiteh | see Draenai/Blood elves |
| 14:48.48 | jnwhiteh | teh Draenai were supposed to be Pandaren |
| 14:48.55 | jnwhiteh | they would have been just as rich and compelling |
| 14:49.02 | jnwhiteh | instead we got space goats with retconned lore |
| 14:49.16 | jnwhiteh | but that wasn't what they wanted |
| 14:50.39 | jnwhiteh | people who don't know what they're talking about can say all they want. I've followed the warcraft franchise from day 1, and that makes a difference. |
| 14:51.00 | jnwhiteh | Metzen has been searching for a "For the Horde" for years, he says so every year |
| 14:51.44 | Kraps | the impression that prominent blizzard employees give off at blizzcon severely colors peoples opinions |
| 14:51.51 | jnwhiteh | why? because they enjoy the Horde? |
| 14:52.12 | Kraps | more than enjoy |
| 14:52.15 | jnwhiteh | because Thrall is a badass that they helped create? |
| 14:52.53 | jnwhiteh | I would rather have a group of people that play, enjoy, and engage in the game they create for me than one that is completely detached and concerned with nothing more than balancing some story. |
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| 14:53.12 | jnwhiteh | Metzen walked out with an Alliance hoodie and a Doomhammer for the opening ceremonies. |
| 14:54.07 | jnwhiteh | You can't look at it in isolation |
| 14:54.15 | jnwhiteh | I was actually there, and I've been there three time, and I'm an Alliance player |
| 14:54.20 | Kraps | words+actions are louder that just words :p |
| 14:54.42 | jnwhiteh | If you don't see the steps they've taken to make the alliance story compelling, then I don't know what to tell you |
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| 14:55.21 | Dagmar | Did they arrange for Varian to meet some horrible and suitably graphic fate? |
| 14:55.28 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_mIQaTG4BE |
| 14:55.39 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: hopefully, Varian needs to die. |
| 14:55.46 | [Wobin] | +1 |
| 14:55.48 | Dagmar | jnwhite: Too right |
| 14:55.50 | Kraps | again, i'm talking only about employees at blizzcon |
| 14:56.15 | jnwhiteh | and? |
| 14:56.16 | jnwhiteh | were you there? |
| 14:56.28 | Dagmar | Bronzebeard might be a little stodgy, but he's not a pompous ass |
| 14:56.30 | alestane | I have noticed that when Blizzard employees talk about their experiences playing the game, it always seems like they play Horde. But what can you do? Require at least 45% of your top employees to play Alliance? |
| 14:56.30 | jnwhiteh | or are you taking the things that individual people did without considering the whole |
| 14:56.44 | jnwhiteh | alestane: there are a fair amount who play alliance |
| 14:57.09 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: Bronzebeard for presient! |
| 14:57.12 | jnwhiteh | presidne, rather |
| 14:57.32 | alestane | There probably are. They don't seem quite as visible. But I don't take that to mean the Blizzard hates the Alliance and wants the Horde to be cooler or more powerful. |
| 14:57.45 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm kinda thinkin' we've got one king on that continent already... but nooooo... people want a monarchy and that's all about who your mom slept with and nothing to do with any actual redeeeming qualities |
| 14:57.57 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: You can promote almost any view if you take enough out of context and don't consider everything else involved. |
| 14:58.04 | Kraps | i'm trying to say what alestane just said |
| 14:58.14 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 14:58.18 | Kraps | but my wordmachine is broken |
| 14:58.30 | Dagmar | So you know... maybe if Varian falls down a deep hole or something--it could be slippery and there might or might not be pushing involved... and fire--and the kid takes over, I think the humans would still do pretty well. |
| 14:58.55 | jnwhiteh | You also implied that it was their 'job' to provide equally compelling stories |
| 14:59.05 | Dagmar | That little blonde Anduin hasn't seemed to be anything but a straight shooter, which they desperately need. |
| 14:59.15 | jnwhiteh | Anduin is a priest now tho =/ |
| 14:59.15 | Kraps | its the perception given off at blizzcon |
| 14:59.16 | jnwhiteh | so tainted |
| 14:59.23 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: have you been to Blizzcon? |
| 14:59.25 | jnwhiteh | I'll ask it again |
| 14:59.36 | jnwhiteh | because if not, please stop acting like you have any clue what the 'perception given off at Blizzcon' is |
| 14:59.44 | jnwhiteh | if so, I wonder why my question wasn't answered the first few times =) |
| 14:59.46 | Kraps | i've had the stream for a few years |
| 14:59.50 | jnwhiteh | The stream is not the con |
| 15:00.01 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: Even if they have some kinda vow of celibacy I'm quite inclined to look the other way if he picks a queen and who mysteriously becomes pregnant to continue the bloodline |
| 15:00.06 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: truth. |
| 15:00.11 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: Anduin/Jaina fanfic, go! |
| 15:00.14 | jnwhiteh | too easy |
| 15:00.16 | Dagmar | euwww |
| 15:00.17 | jnwhiteh | and dirty |
| 15:00.27 | jnwhiteh | Here's what I hope |
| 15:00.38 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: my hand is much slower than my mouth |
| 15:00.53 | jnwhiteh | that the Pandaren show both the Alliance and the Horde that Varian and Grom are twats and need to be ousted! |
| 15:01.34 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: I'm trying to tell you as someone who sits there, saves seats for friends, goes from panel to panel and loves this universe that yes, the Horde fans are more vocal, but I think that's where it ends. |
| 15:03.49 | jnwhiteh | But perhaps those are just my opinions and we just disagree =) |
| 15:04.49 | Kraps | what i'm saying is, the Horde fans who work at blizzard are also more vocal, and that colors the perceptions of the people at home |
| 15:05.09 | Kraps | and that the corpsegrinder bit didnt help |
| 15:06.40 | jnwhiteh | certainly, but I don't think its a problem that there is a bias there |
| 15:06.54 | jnwhiteh | as long as the Alliance lore continues to be compelling (as it can) and the gameplay doesn't reflect the bias. |
| 15:06.55 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 15:07.34 | Kraps | yes |
| 15:10.04 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/27vXw |
| 15:13.28 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/pocket_knots.jpg |
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| 15:32.37 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: port 1119 didn't help btw |
| 15:32.49 | bluspacecow | oh? |
| 15:33.46 | bluspacecow | when was the last time you tried logging on the PTR ? |
| 15:34.52 | Stanzilla | just now |
| 15:35.00 | Stanzilla | and it is a friend of mine that has that problem btw |
| 15:35.06 | Stanzilla | but I'm on his pc via remote |
| 15:36.21 | bluspacecow | what happens when you just type gibberish in to logon the PTR ? |
| 15:37.17 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: the same error |
| 15:37.30 | Arrowmaster | http://www.carbon-project.org/comScore_Nedstat__a_larger_Phish_market.html |
| 15:37.32 | Stanzilla | there was an error during login blabla |
| 15:37.38 | bluspacecow | which error in particular shows up on screen ? |
| 15:37.46 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you will particularly be interested in that link |
| 15:37.53 | bluspacecow | is it speficially telling you the password is wrong? |
| 15:38.08 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: no, just telling me that there was an error during login and please try again later |
| 15:38.21 | bluspacecow | i can has screenshot ? |
| 15:38.38 | Stanzilla | it's in german :p |
| 15:38.52 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
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| 15:39.02 | bluspacecow | i can has translate ? |
| 15:39.26 | bluspacecow | nslookup public-test.logon.battle.net <---------------- what's that giving you on the machine that's not working |
| 15:39.47 | Stanzilla | "There was an error login in. Please try again later." |
| 15:40.42 | bluspacecow | google translated what I get when i put in a bad password = http://pastebin.com/S2VYUYhe |
| 15:40.43 | Stanzilla | Name: public-test.logon.battle.net |
| 15:40.43 | Stanzilla | Address: 12.129.236.251 |
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| 15:40.47 | bluspacecow | does it look like that ? |
| 15:41.03 | Stanzilla | no, as I said, it's not the password is wrong message |
| 15:41.15 | bluspacecow | â¦. oh soz missed that |
| 15:41.35 | bluspacecow | well that means it can't contact the PTR login server on port 1119 |
| 15:41.43 | bluspacecow | try telnetting to it on that port |
| 15:42.09 | bluspacecow | telnet public-test.logon.battle.net 1119 |
| 15:42.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: holy crap... I would have thought people would have more sense than to even do that |
| 15:43.10 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: what should be the result of that? |
| 15:43.19 | bluspacecow | hang on |
| 15:43.55 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: try http://public-test.logon.battle.net:1119/ -- uf using chrome should give you an err empty response |
| 15:44.14 | Maldivia | if it takes a long time, then you have a problem .P |
| 15:44.29 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/8mLHe51Q |
| 15:44.31 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: gives me err empty response |
| 15:44.35 | bluspacecow | is what you should see |
| 15:44.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: as always, profit is more important than security |
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| 15:45.06 | Dagmar | Well, at least they're not doing proxy redirects |
| 15:45.12 | Dagmar | ...but that's little comfort |
| 15:45.21 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: i only get a blinking _ :p |
| 15:45.27 | Stanzilla | and then connection to host lost |
| 15:45.29 | bluspacecow | â¦. |
| 15:45.32 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 15:45.39 | bluspacecow | -speechless- |
| 15:45.50 | bluspacecow | data's never getting to the PTR login server |
| 15:46.17 | Stanzilla | more ports to forward in the router? and why the hell did this only start after a ptr update? |
| 15:46.22 | bluspacecow | try with no port 1119 ? it should throw you straight out |
| 15:46.29 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 15:47.10 | bluspacecow | maybe a firewall/antivirus thing saw new code executing and freaked the f**** out |
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| 15:47.12 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: btw how slow would you expect luks on a usb2 external harddrive to be? |
| 15:47.26 | Dagmar | WHen it's talking aobut "Escape character is" that generally means the socket connected |
| 15:48.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: not particularly hampered by USB being involved mainly |
| 15:48.18 | Dagmar | The load the crypto layer imposes isn't much. |
| 15:48.30 | Dagmar | You have to be using a pretty damn slow machine for it to not be able to encrypt and transfer at USB 2.0 speeds |
| 15:48.48 | Arrowmaster | well it was going at around 1MB/s |
| 15:49.14 | Dagmar | You might wanna make sure something didn't throw the works into 1.0 mode or that you're connecting to a 1.0-only port |
| 15:49.18 | Dagmar | Some motherboards still have them |
| 15:49.29 | Dagmar | 1Mb/s would definitely be in line with USB 1 speeds |
| 15:49.48 | bluspacecow | i sleepy |
| 15:49.52 | bluspacecow | *sleeps on fisker* |
| 15:51.15 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: [1338396.937198] usb 8-1: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub |
| 15:51.18 | Arrowmaster | good call |
| 15:51.43 | Arrowmaster | this is really strange since its connected directly to a port on the mobo which should all be usb2 |
| 15:51.54 | Arrowmaster | its a usb3 device though |
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| 15:52.59 | bluspacecow | basically stanzilla the reason why you put a wrong password in at first is to test if the login server is even there responding to login requests |
| 15:53.10 | Dagmar | Screwing around with `time` and `dd` and really obvious file sizes should reveal whether or not it's the crypto layer mucking things up (which I doubt) |
| 15:53.12 | Stanzilla | I know :( |
| 15:53.16 | bluspacecow | i also tried logging into the PTR myself to check it wasn't just your end |
| 15:53.21 | bluspacecow | and i was able to actually |
| 15:53.21 | Dagmar | Just write to the raw device mind you, not the filesyste,m |
| 15:53.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well i already nuked the crypt layer |
| 15:53.54 | Stanzilla | works for me, too. just not on my friend's pc |
| 15:53.54 | bluspacecow | something's blocked it at your friend's PC |
| 15:53.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Ah well then! dd is a handy tool to have then. :) |
| 15:54.07 | Stanzilla | he only has the windows firewall (tried with it turned off, though) and avira antivir |
| 15:54.19 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 15:54.23 | bluspacecow | imma go to bed |
| 15:54.32 | Stanzilla | good night and thank you :) |
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| 16:09.31 | Arrowmaster | ok i unplugged something i wasnt using and moved the drive to the other port on the usb header and now its fast |
| 16:10.18 | Dagmar | If that something was a USB 1.0 device (usually a keyboard or mouse) it may have been dropping that whole bus to 1.0 speeds |
| 16:11.41 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 16:11.51 | Arrowmaster | its a microsoft xbox wireless receiver |
| 16:12.46 | Arrowmaster | now i get to redo the entire luks setup and see about getting pam_mount working again |
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| 16:14.24 | Azelphur | Using the smart mount macro from wowwiki, it seems to cause an error when I try to use it in arenas, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/DXyPWXRe |
| 16:15.43 | Maldivia | Azelphur: replace GetMapInfo() with GetMapInfo()or"" |
| 16:15.55 | Azelphur | Maldivia: ty :D |
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| 16:18.56 | BlackNet | Azelphur you are looking for the mount me plugin |
| 16:18.57 | Azelphur | yep that works, shall edit the wowwiki example too :) |
| 16:19.46 | Azelphur | *shrug* I'm happy with the macro, it just bugged in arenas that was all, now it doesn't \o |
| 16:20.22 | BlackNet | i stoped using that macro due to char limitations |
| 16:20.43 | Arrowmaster | Azelphur: just use wowpedia |
| 16:22.46 | Azelphur | I use macaroon so have very long macro support :D |
| 16:23.51 | foxlit | how long is very long? |
| 16:24.13 | foxlit | also, @#$@# division by 0. |
| 16:24.25 | Azelphur | think 1024 chars |
| 16:24.32 | foxlit | not very long, then. |
| 16:24.51 | Azelphur | long enough for me |
| 16:24.55 | foxlit | longish :P |
| 16:27.58 | foxlit | frame.count == 0 and 0 or -360/frame.count |
| 16:28.11 | foxlit | @#$@#. |
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| 17:12.27 | Mikk | euh is there even a reason for macaroon to have an upper limit? |
| 17:12.30 | Mikk | (does it have one?) |
| 17:13.36 | Mikk | "Macros the size of Texas! Up to 1024 characters in length!" |
| 17:13.38 | Mikk | how silly |
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| 17:15.24 | nevcairiel | Mikk: I think the secure attribute for macros is actually limited |
| 17:15.43 | Mikk | oho |
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| 17:16.02 | Mikk | mm i guess blizzard wants an upper limit of how smart a macro can get then |
| 17:16.11 | Mikk | (then again ... /click - but i guess they overlooked that possibility) |
| 17:17.26 | nevcairiel | It might just be to keep the macro parser from going insane |
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| 17:22.44 | DJJeff | anyone know a dev NERINO1 ? |
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| 17:23.15 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/users/nerino1 |
| 17:23.38 | DJJeff | he made a great addon BOSSINFO would love to update it for ZA ZG content |
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| 17:39.33 | alestane | I think the macro execuion buffer has a limited size or something. |
| 17:40.16 | alestane | I don't think it's so much about "We need to make sure they can't make complex macros" as "we need a sanity limit on our implementation and how many people will suffer from a limit this large?" |
| 17:42.29 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/scary_sale_2011 |
| 17:50.31 | foxlit | It's RunMacro that presents a hard cap. |
| 17:50.55 | foxlit | You could work around it as long as your lines are reasonably short, but I suppose most people don't run into that problem. |
| 17:51.23 | foxlit | I really really really hate whoever made division by zero throw an error. |
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| 17:58.34 | kd3|netbook | grr. I'm connected over ethernet yet I'm still uploading at ~1.5MB/s |
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| 18:27.29 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | Why is it snowing? Whyfore the white sprinkles? |
| 18:27.52 | Cairenn | NOoooooo |
| 18:28.07 | Cairenn | covers her ears, "Lalalala, I can't hear you!" |
| 18:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. I'm not staying for studio time tonight, because either it's going to turn to ice, or people are going to drive stupidly. I refuse to cope with either at 9pm. |
| 18:28.40 | kd3|netbook | holy crap steam; why's everything on sale? |
| 18:29.11 | Stanzilla | they want your monies |
| 18:29.33 | Thunder_Child | kd3|netbook: only 97 items |
| 18:30.25 | Thunder_Child | kd3|netbook: halloween sale |
| 18:30.41 | kd3|netbook | ah |
| 18:30.47 | Thunder_Child | the advert didnt pop up for some reason |
| 18:30.53 | Thunder_Child | when i first went there |
| 18:32.15 | Thunder_Child | the scary part is i own most of the games |
| 18:32.35 | kd3|netbook | yup; was skimming through the list going "bought that, bought that, bought that at full price..." |
| 18:33.42 | kd3|netbook | adys; done. let me know if that works ok |
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| 18:45.00 | alestane | One of my fellows in NH declared this morning that the next person to tell him that snow is expected tonight would get a punch in the face. |
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| 18:46.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm resigned. It's started, I'm just going to go home, watch a movie, fold some laundry. I don't deal with "first snow" idiot drivers. |
| 18:47.17 | Torhal|work | foxlit: It was supposedly for performance reasons in Blizzard's own UI code. |
| 18:47.54 | foxlit | Torhal|work: I don't see how |
| 18:48.32 | Torhal|work | Kaelten known why, but I don't see him in his office. |
| 18:48.43 | foxlit | They can't avoid the FPE trap anyway |
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| 18:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | I need... a PONY! |
| 18:55.42 | alestane | They don't skid in the snow as much as cars, anyway. |
| 19:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | depends on the shoe, actually |
| 19:01.50 | alestane | A horse will also resist running over the edge of a gulch or face first into a tree, even if its rider is drunk. |
| 19:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | ... The hell you say. Horses are just as prone to the stupids as humans. |
| 19:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | It's hard to force a horse to knowingly do it, but the silly beasts will do it on their own just because. |
| 19:04.01 | alestane | But with two brains on the problem of not crashing, there's generally a higher chance that at least one of them will be trying to not die...cars do whatever you do (or don't) tell them to. |
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| 19:09.08 | Stanzilla | http://designyoutrust.com/2011/10/18/50-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-best-breakfasts/ *_* |
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| 19:36.03 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 19:38.02 | syrae | OK |
| 19:38.24 | syrae | I want to make a terrible sci-fi movie. Possibly called, "Space Harpies!: The Musical!" |
| 19:38.50 | daev | Change it to Herpes and I'll pay to watch it |
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| 19:46.42 | Adys | http://adwords.blogspot.com/2011/10/retiring-support-for-internet-explorer_27.html |
| 19:46.44 | Adys | finally |
| 19:47.18 | nevcairiel | they should do that to the google main page. :) |
| 19:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | Someone should just shoot IE with a bazoooooka. |
| 19:47.40 | nevcairiel | I think they already did mail and youtube, though |
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| 19:52.49 | Kaelten | Torhal|work: ? |
| 19:55.26 | Torhal|work | Kaelten: [12:51:23] <foxlit> I really really really hate whoever made division by zero throw an error. |
| 19:58.01 | Kaelten | oh that? |
| 19:58.02 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 19:58.24 | Kaelten | what's even more fun is that on live it'll work |
| 20:00.36 | foxlit | Hm? So it's just their PTR builds that are silly? |
| 20:06.27 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
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| 20:21.16 | Kaelten | hi |
| 20:21.23 | Kaelten | foxlit: kinda, |
| 20:21.30 | Kaelten | but really we need to get rid of them in our code too |
| 20:21.35 | Kaelten | otherwise testing is impossible on ptrs |
| 20:21.50 | foxlit | "we" "need" |
| 20:22.10 | foxlit | screw that. They can disable their debug assertions when they want to. |
| 20:22.23 | Kaelten | "we" == addon authors, "need" == we really should, they're not going away |
| 20:22.39 | foxlit | why bother with it in the first place, though? |
| 20:22.49 | Kaelten | performance and bugs |
| 20:23.31 | foxlit | it probably takes more energy to throw that error than behave properly |
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| 20:25.26 | foxlit | And honestly, do division by zero bugs really happen all that often? |
| 20:26.32 | Kaelten | more often than youd think |
| 20:27.09 | foxlit | Out of the 7 places I had to replace division and modulo with conditional division and modulo today, none were bugs |
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| 20:28.06 | foxlit | so yeah, probably more often than I think. However, I can think of more instances of basic syntax mistakes in FrameXML than issues with division. |
| 20:28.27 | Torhal|work | I love some of the variable name misspellings. |
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| 20:28.32 | Torhal|work | Some of them are actually consistent. |
| 20:28.54 | Torhal|work | "boarder" instead of "border", for example |
| 20:30.43 | Shadowed | Let's not forget Langauge |
| 20:31.03 | Shadowed | I think that lasted until 3.0 when chat got redone |
| 20:31.13 | Fisker | Shadowed |
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| 20:31.25 | Shadowed | NOT A JURY IN THE WORLD |
| 20:31.38 | Shadowed | and by jury I mean Cairenn |
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| 20:33.14 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 20:33.17 | Shadowed | SUCCESS |
| 20:33.21 | Cairenn | Nope, sick of him, along with a couple others |
| 20:33.29 | Cairenn | looks at mckenziemc and airtonix_ |
| 20:33.30 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 20:34.00 | Cairenn | Told you guys repeatedly I'm fed up with the trolling, the horrendous SNR |
| 20:34.02 | foxlit | "4+ years Java experience with multi-threaded, client/server experience and expertise" teehee |
| 20:34.15 | foxlit | Poor Shirik :( |
| 20:34.24 | Cairenn | foxlit: ? |
| 20:34.55 | foxlit | The two are only mildly related. |
| 20:35.08 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:35.10 | Cairenn | is confused, but that's okay |
| 20:35.20 | foxlit | As someone with no experience with anything, I find X+ years requirements to be slightly absurd; but that's a personal thing. |
| 20:35.30 | Kaelten | hrm, I wonder if I just accidently spent money |
| 20:35.36 | Kaelten | :/ |
| 20:35.40 | alestane | Did Fisker do something especially bad, this time, or was that just the straw that broke the Shadowed's back? |
| 20:35.46 | Shadowed | I knew what he was going to say |
| 20:35.50 | Shadowed | and so I prebanned him to save time |
| 20:35.59 | Shadowed | I know what he was going to say since he's said the same thing for the last year |
| 20:36.14 | Mihau | Kaelten: Accidentally how? O.o |
| 20:36.30 | Shadowed | also cause I was bored |
| 20:36.30 | Kaelten | I think I may have accidently purchased an upgrade to garage band |
| 20:36.31 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:36.40 | Mihau | D'oh. |
| 20:36.44 | foxlit | As for the second comment, it's a byproduct of my perception of the lack of any interesting news on the Minion front, coupled with this job posting :) |
| 20:36.55 | Cairenn | naw, this is Zam |
| 20:37.27 | foxlit | soylent green is people :) |
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| 20:37.34 | Fisker- | umad? |
| 20:37.35 | nicoli_s | did you kick anyone off a cliff when you said that Cairenn? |
| 20:37.49 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: huh? |
| 20:37.59 | Cairenn | Fisker-: don't go there |
| 20:38.03 | nicoli_s | this is Zam, this is sparta...sorry cheesy joke |
| 20:38.11 | Cairenn | (4:34:01 PM) Cairenn: Told you guys repeatedly I'm fed up with the trolling, the horrendous SNR |
| 20:38.14 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: lol |
| 20:38.23 | Kaelten | SNR? |
| 20:38.25 | nicoli_s | i finally got my wife to watch the movie so its fresh in my mind :P |
| 20:38.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:38.30 | Kaelten | lol nice |
| 20:38.43 | Cairenn | Kaelten: you know what SNR stands for |
| 20:38.52 | Kaelten | snot nosed retards? |
| 20:38.55 | nicoli_s | snarky, nasty,racist? |
| 20:38.57 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:39.01 | alestane | Signal/noise ratio. |
| 20:39.03 | Cairenn | Signal to Noise Ratio |
| 20:39.13 | nicoli_s | ahh that makes more sense than mine |
| 20:39.25 | Kaelten | yeah mine too |
| 20:39.25 | Kaelten | but I think mine was funnier |
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| 20:40.00 | alestane | Well, I don't know if removing Fisker will improve the level of signal, but it will at least bring the noise down to a dull roar. |
| 20:41.16 | jankly | Just a note for the WOWI site admins and such. Your site bugs when hovering on "ADDONS" and "FORUMS" with the ads in the top right of the page in Chrome build 15.0.874.106 beta-m. The ad completely disappears and comes back when you leave the onmouseover menu. |
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| 20:41.34 | Cairenn | dolby: ^^ |
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| 20:43.11 | mckenziemc | anyone know of a website that lets you find the intensity of an earthquake at a location away from the epicenter |
| 20:43.15 | dolby | ads disapear when you use the drop down menus because flash ignores z-index |
| 20:43.24 | dolby | we did that on purpose |
| 20:43.29 | nicoli_s | i was wondering how other sites handle that |
| 20:43.58 | foxlit | window mode on flash tags |
| 20:43.58 | Kaelten | I've heard that in some of the newer browsers you don't have to worry about that |
| 20:43.59 | jankly | First time I noticed it is all. |
| 20:44.05 | Kaelten | but it's been a while since I've had to mess with it |
| 20:44.50 | foxlit | http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/127/tn_12701.html#main_Using_Window_Mode__wmode__values_ |
| 20:46.08 | Fisker- | http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02512.x/abstract <-ell oh ell |
| 20:46.38 | Valdarix | Hey guys question for you. Long time WoW player/mod user and Delphi Programmer by dayâ¦.how difficult you think it would be to pick up add-on programming with no LuA or XML experience. |
| 20:47.00 | Xyphoid | i knew no lua and managed to get someone to do what I wanted in a long weekend |
| 20:47.40 | Xyphoid | it's pretty nice to pick up, particularly since the language itself is so small |
| 20:47.50 | foxlit | Can you program your way out of a paper bag? |
| 20:47.54 | Valdarix | yse |
| 20:47.58 | alestane | Lua is a straight-forward language with an intuitive syntax for basic procedural or functional tasks. It only really starts to get confusing when you get into complex constructions like classes. |
| 20:48.01 | Arrowmaster | Valdarix: you should read the PiL book first, it covers a lot of details, after that it shouldnt be hard |
| 20:48.04 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 20:48.05 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:48.05 | foxlit | If so, you'll be fine |
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| 20:48.24 | mckenziemc | ~pil |
| 20:48.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:48.51 | pompyphone | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 20:48.51 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up mckenziemc |
| 20:48.57 | pompyphone | Yes |
| 20:49.03 | mckenziemc | sorry if mine was the duplicate, i'm lagging |
| 20:49.04 | nicoli_s | yeah picking up lua is very easy if youve done programming before, and remember to look at existing mods for help |
| 20:49.13 | nicoli_s | the joy of everything being open source by nature |
| 20:49.16 | mckenziemc | typed it before i saw arrow's :P |
| 20:49.35 | Valdarix | Thanks guys. pretty encouraging. I write mostly business software in Delphi and have small amounts of free time to dedicate to picking up a new language so I was hoping LuA wouldn't be too overwhelming |
| 20:50.23 | Arrowmaster | the PiL book covers most of the details you need to know to not step all over your feet trying to learn it |
| 20:50.23 | mckenziemc | site note, it's just Lua |
| 20:50.26 | mckenziemc | not an acronym |
| 20:50.55 | mckenziemc | side* |
| 20:52.02 | Valdarix | and on that note it's time to clock out. Will be lurking around I'm sure asking silly questions in the futureâ¦knew about Lua not sure why I typed it as LuA, long day I guess..thanks again everyone |
| 20:52.08 | nicoli_s | also, although xml is supported youll find that you dont need it |
| 20:53.00 | Valdarix | I was under the impression that it was required for the UI element, at least that is what a friend of mine (author of Pesky Text) led me to believe. |
| 20:53.10 | Arrowmaster | it used to be |
| 20:53.14 | Arrowmaster | its not anymore |
| 20:53.44 | kd3|netbook | it used to be... a very long time ago |
| 20:53.59 | kd3|netbook | pre-2.0 iirc |
| 20:54.55 | kd3|netbook | also, rofl at the "worst candy ever" thread on reddit |
| 20:54.56 | nicoli_s | yeah it can be useful if you want to prebuild your gui, but if yer trying to learn the code just do lua first |
| 20:55.19 | Valdarix | that long? dang he is behind then, he just wrote that in Wrath. Have to fill him in. Thanks again. Really gone this time or I will set here all day picking brains. |
| 20:55.20 | nicoli_s | man this is the most wow talk ive seen in here in months, gj cairenn :P |
| 20:55.25 | Fisker- | so Stanzilla |
| 20:55.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:55.43 | Xyphoid | you can still use xml if you like, right? |
| 20:55.46 | kd3|netbook | ya |
| 20:55.49 | kd3|netbook | blizz does |
| 20:55.49 | Arrowmaster | does blizzcon talk not count as wow talk? |
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| 20:58.09 | Stanzilla | so Fisker- |
| 20:58.16 | Fisker- | beta and patch today? |
| 20:58.48 | kd3|netbook | the fu--the ptr /just/ patched |
| 20:59.45 | mckenziemc | to what build number |
| 21:00.01 | kd3|netbook | 14890->14899 |
| 21:00.13 | mckenziemc | how big? |
| 21:00.36 | kd3|netbook | 2.4M data, 113k locale, 21.6M update |
| 21:00.43 | kd3|netbook | chump change compared to the last build |
| 21:00.58 | mckenziemc | ugh |
| 21:01.18 | mckenziemc | i just brought over updated ptr files last night from my laptop on dsl : / |
| 21:01.33 | mckenziemc | and 20 for the launcher is more like 40; not sure why it's so inefficient |
| 21:02.43 | mckenziemc | not sure why dialup makes it so inefficient* |
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| 21:04.03 | alestane | So, I just saw an ad for a luxury wristwatch that described it as "The timepiece that reinvents accuracy time and again." |
| 21:04.08 | kd3|netbook | er |
| 21:04.25 | kd3|netbook | has images of constantly having to fix the time |
| 21:04.35 | alestane | I don't now about you, but it seems to me that watchmakers would want the definition of accuracy to remain fairly consistent. |
| 21:04.46 | Fisker- | well that's ok kd3|netbook |
| 21:04.50 | Fisker- | but i was talking about D3 :( |
| 21:05.48 | kd3|netbook | ..wtf? "There's "lost it," and then there's "332 wounds inflicted with a metal bar, hammer, wrench, knife, rope and mannequin peg lost it" [Scary]" |
| 21:06.10 | Fisker- | i don't get it :( |
| 21:06.11 | kd3|netbook | http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/brittany-norwood-lost-control-in-attack-on-jayna-murray-in-yoga-store-defense-says/2011/10/26/gIQAFaGHKM_story.html |
| 21:09.39 | nicoli_s | for people who are really interested in AI/Sc2 http://graphics.stanford.edu/~mdfisher/GameAIs.html |
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| 21:10.05 | dolby | Cairenn: SNR == Sexy Naughty Redheads |
| 21:10.17 | Cairenn | purrs at dolby |
| 21:10.39 | nicoli_s | the best kind of redheads |
| 21:10.52 | foxlit | that is actually pretty neat |
| 21:11.27 | nicoli_s | he must have had a crazy amount of time on his hands |
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| 21:18.20 | Torhal|work | You always have to have crazy amounts of time for Sexy Naughty Redheads. |
| 21:19.20 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wyx6JDQCslE |
| 21:19.21 | Computerpunk | nsfw |
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| 21:26.39 | kd3|netbook | huh. that sc2 thing is crazy |
| 21:33.07 | nicoli_s | whats scary is going into the breakroom and finding everyone talking about how awesome the Iphone 4S is |
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| 21:57.41 | Shirik | foxlit? |
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| 23:22.04 | bluspacecow | Fisker |
| 23:22.14 | bluspacecow | I'm on space |
| 23:22.37 | bluspacecow | Spaaaaaaaaaace |
| 23:23.02 | Megalon | i think you mean acid bluspacecow |
| 23:23.49 | bluspacecow | >_< Dang autocorrect , /s/on/in |
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| 23:47.05 | karl_w_w | I think Megalon was right |
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| 23:51.36 | karl_w_w | ey live Q&A is in 10 mins |
| 23:52.06 | Valdarix | anyone know of a plugin for Notepad++ for Lua? |
| 23:52.20 | bluspacecow | Fuuiuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 23:52.59 | karl_w_w | ohgod |
| 23:53.09 | karl_w_w | people still use notepad++? :P |
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| 23:53.26 | Valdarix | only on my windows machine |
| 23:53.40 | Valdarix | prefer BBedit but can't get to my mac atm |
| 23:55.14 | bluspacecow | Text Wrangler |
| 23:55.20 | bluspacecow | does the same thing pretty much |
| 23:55.24 | bluspacecow | but i don't code with it |
| 23:55.28 | bluspacecow | so not sure what you need there |
| 23:55.32 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 23:55.38 | bluspacecow | nvm nvm soz soz |
| 23:58.10 | karl_w_w | intellij has a lovely lua plugin :P |
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