| 00:00.05 | Fisker | umad Torhal |
| 00:00.16 | Torhal | Fiskermeme! |
| 00:00.41 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 00:00.47 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 00:00.48 | Fisker | beta report |
| 00:00.55 | Stanzilla | still negative |
| 00:00.58 | Fisker | same |
| 00:01.01 | Fisker | also |
| 00:01.04 | Fisker | where's the next patch? |
| 00:01.11 | Fisker | they haven't patched for like a month :( |
| 00:01.53 | Gnarfoz | earlierererest chance besides random invites hitting you is Sunday, btw |
| 00:02.07 | Gnarfoz | you're not even on "that list", yet |
| 00:02.17 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 00:02.23 | Fisker | looks like they screwed up the forums |
| 00:02.41 | Gnarfoz | guy was sick wednesday and his shift-weekend is thu/fri/sat ;) |
| 00:03.14 | Fisker | should get a job in management and fire him for not being on the job on a wednesday :( |
| 00:04.20 | Fisker | oh god |
| 00:04.23 | Fisker | and i have to tank today |
| 00:04.27 | Fisker | wway to set back our raid :( |
| 00:04.28 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 00:04.45 | Fisker | our main tank left the pug |
| 00:04.56 | Fisker | (incidentally after cashing in 10k from BOE sales) |
| 00:07.40 | Ryuken | Is anyone planning on developing for SWTOR? |
| 00:10.31 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I just realized we could do 5 mans with Fisker :o |
| 00:11.01 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: heaven forbid |
| 00:11.40 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: that would be fun though :D |
| 00:13.00 | Thunder_Child | it is if you go for that sort of thing |
| 00:13.38 | Stanzilla | I would love to see Fisker tanking |
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| 00:15.13 | Gnarfoz | I do that main-spec tho |
| 00:15.14 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 00:15.19 | Gnarfoz | uber tankz |
| 00:15.50 | Gnarfoz | I could dps with RF on and we could make it a threat contest! |
| 00:15.52 | Stanzilla | with your paladin? |
| 00:16.59 | Stanzilla | and for a threat contest I'd have to use my warrior |
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| 00:25.31 | Sintacks | 24:11|[RL][85:Enileca:5]: Fatality: Sintacks > 1.6k [Spirit Link] [Spirit Link Totem] |
| 00:25.32 | Sintacks | LOL |
| 00:29.25 | Fisker | i can't sleep Stanzilla |
| 00:29.37 | Fisker | someone who claims to be know shit is wrong |
| 00:29.39 | Fisker | on the internet |
| 00:29.48 | Fisker | he's this self-proclaimed "hardware god" |
| 00:29.48 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what where who |
| 00:29.57 | Stanzilla | #mmo-c? |
| 00:30.14 | Fisker | and he doesn't understand that it's possible to have audio through DVI by converting to HDMI |
| 00:30.18 | Fisker | nah |
| 00:30.21 | Fisker | on some danish forum |
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| 00:36.58 | Torhal | You can also have audio through Fisker by converting energy to pain. |
| 00:47.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 00:47.12 | Shirik | every day is a winding road |
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| 01:34.15 | A-KO^ | okay, honest question, anyone here go to blizzcon regularly and know the approx times when badge pickup is? I went in 2009 but can't remember what time it was. |
| 01:34.37 | A-KO^ | I'm trying to schedule a dinner to happen on either THurs/Fri nights but need a reservation...and it's clear across town |
| 01:35.55 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/event-info/tickets/badge-information |
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| 02:19.55 | BlackNet | any way to copy chat window settings from another toon? |
| 02:21.33 | pompy | BlackNet: chat-cache.txt i think |
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| 02:49.05 | frostfever | looking for a little direction. im having trouble with smallblizzradframes resetting the raid ui placement everytime i make an adjustment in the raid ui setup page. |
| 02:50.19 | frostfever | i make a single column down the left side of the screen and then everytime there is a change, like an invite or i change the slider in the ui,, i get this long row of raid frame across the bottom of my screen |
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| 02:52.10 | frostfever | hey iriel, you know anything about raid frames? |
| 02:52.32 | Iriel | very little, I dont raid much |
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| 02:52.48 | Iriel | though many of the general UI mechanisms are familiar |
| 02:52.49 | Iriel | what |
| 02:52.54 | Iriel | what is the issue you're having? |
| 02:52.59 | frostfever | 'dang. im having a problem with an addon resetting the raid ui bs |
| 02:53.13 | frostfever | im using small blizz raid frames |
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| 02:53.29 | frostfever | nad i set the raid frames to one tall column at the left |
| 02:53.53 | frostfever | and if anyone joins the group or i move a slider in the ui, it resets to a doubl.e row of names across the bottom |
| 02:54.24 | frostfever | pita in the middle of raid when someone drops raid and my frames dissappear behind my action bars |
| 02:54.52 | Iriel | is that because blizzard's code re-triggers and undoes your rearrangement? |
| 02:55.23 | frostfever | id say yes, but it resets to an odd arrangement at the bottom of the screen rather than blizz default |
| 02:55.29 | Iriel | if so, can you configure blizzard's code to do what you need (ideal), or a mechanism to "fix" them in secure code if they get broken. |
| 02:55.55 | frostfever | eek.. thats why i came to see the smart guys, and girls |
| 02:56.33 | frostfever | i used grid to make a column but it requires writing the layout code and it seemed simpler to use a different addon |
| 02:56.58 | frostfever | and since then, ive lost all those files |
| 02:57.31 | Iriel | Hm.. When you said "Set the raid frames to one tall column at the left" -- how do you do that? |
| 02:57.36 | Iriel | Re-anchoring them or dragging them or what? |
| 02:58.02 | frostfever | clicking the default 'unlock' in the slide out ui at the left |
| 02:58.21 | frostfever | then drag the arrow tabs to stretch the frame and then click 'lock' again |
| 02:58.44 | Iriel | Oh, so youre doing it manually |
| 02:58.55 | Iriel | It feels sort of wrong that blizzard's code would un-do what you've done. |
| 02:59.17 | frostfever | it seems odd that it would reset to a non-default position |
| 02:59.59 | Iriel | Have you used addons to reposition raid frames in the past? |
| 03:00.24 | Iriel | It's possible (perhaps unlikely) that your layout cache has old information about some frames in unpleasant locations |
| 03:00.42 | frostfever | not this time around.. its a fresh install and i chose sbrf because its been updated with better ui settings than when i first used it months ago |
| 03:01.03 | frostfever | hmmm |
| 03:01.26 | frostfever | are you suggesting 'delete the wtf and cache'? |
| 03:02.32 | Iriel | it would be layout-cache.wtf, (while the game isn't running) |
| 03:02.42 | frostfever | o.. and if sbrf is disabled, it goes back to default actions.. no resetting when the group changes. |
| 03:02.51 | Iriel | oh, ignore that then |
| 03:02.57 | Iriel | let me look at SBRF's code |
| 03:03.17 | frostfever | k, do you want the pastbin or wanna look it up? |
| 03:03.29 | Iriel | I grabbed a DL, just looking now |
| 03:03.32 | Iriel | you using v1.2.2? |
| 03:03.55 | frostfever | yes, |
| 03:04.20 | frostfever | i got the file pulled up as well |
| 03:05.04 | frostfever | so i can follow you |
| 03:05.23 | frostfever | brb 40 seconds bio |
| 03:06.33 | frostfever | back |
| 03:06.50 | Iriel | frostfever: my guess is that the culprit is function SBRF.FixMagnetism(manager) or SBRF.FixFrame |
| 03:07.27 | Iriel | Try commenting out lines 259-261, |
| 03:07.28 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.28 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.28 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:09.07 | frostfever | what about 263, do i need an end line in tere? |
| 03:10.04 | Iriel | no, those 3 are a balanced set |
| 03:10.07 | Iriel | the end balances the if |
| 03:10.11 | Iriel | just leave 263 as-is |
| 03:10.30 | frostfever | ahhh, im a simpleton when it comes to lua. im learning enough to be curious |
| 03:10.59 | frostfever | checking if that helped |
| 03:11.11 | frostfever | oh noes |
| 03:11.43 | frostfever | it broke the addon |
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| 03:11.58 | frostfever | lawl and reset it to the bottom of the screen anyways |
| 03:12.54 | frostfever | resetting back to original file and checking again |
| 03:14.02 | frostfever | eeek, kk. im deleting the addon and redownloading the original file |
| 03:17.18 | frostfever | kk im back to where i was when we started |
| 03:17.23 | Shirik | this is my melody |
| 03:17.29 | Shirik | and it's just the raver's fantasy |
| 03:17.47 | frostfever | just a simple little melody? |
| 03:18.16 | Iriel | frostfever: I still suspect that method, i'm just not sure how you verify that |
| 03:18.42 | Iriel | (for the pedants out there, I mean "function" not "method") |
| 03:19.05 | frostfever | i appreciate you taking the time to help |
| 03:19.42 | Iriel | frostfever: you could try sticking a print statement between line 259 and 260 |
| 03:19.51 | Iriel | and see if it fires exactly when things mess up |
| 03:20.00 | Iriel | e.g. print("resetting container position") |
| 03:22.58 | frostfever | reloading ui |
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| 03:23.29 | frostfever | kk,, got something new |
| 03:24.06 | frostfever | while loading the ui. of course loads so fast its hard to tell. but now i get an 'ERROR' in the load notes in the chat window |
| 03:24.13 | frostfever | and it resets to the bottom |
| 03:24.27 | Iriel | Hm, you shouldn't get an error |
| 03:24.31 | Iriel | that's a bit odd. |
| 03:24.39 | frostfever | is there a way to determine what order addons load? |
| 03:24.47 | Shirik | Iriel: It's ok, I forgive you for being a Java nut |
| 03:24.49 | Iriel | Not reliably |
| 03:24.51 | Iriel | Shirik: thanks |
| 03:25.23 | frostfever | I Interrupted That -- /iit for more. |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | variables were loaded. |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | event was unregistered. |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | MobMap v4.20 loaded |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | Hooking up LoadUI |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | Quest Completist: Thanks for using Quest Completist. You have gathered 18 updates so far. Every now and then, please consider sending me your Saved Variables file so that I can include these updates in the next version. |
| 03:25.24 | frostfever | RageBar: RageBar v2.00 loaded. |
| 03:25.25 | frostfever | ---Simple shadow timers loaded--- |
| 03:25.25 | frostfever | ERROR |
| 03:25.26 | frostfever | AutoRepair mode: repair only from own money |
| 03:25.26 | frostfever | [GTFO] v4.9.4 loaded. |
| 03:25.27 | frostfever | Guild Message of the Day: Heroic Rag |
| 03:25.28 | frostfever | SmartFrameMover v4.1a loaded |
| 03:25.29 | frostfever | /sfm to display movable setup fram |
| 03:25.38 | frostfever | sorry spam,, but you see the error? |
| 03:25.47 | Seerah | frostfever: please don't do that again :p |
| 03:25.49 | Iriel | Pastebin may be more appropriate for that. |
| 03:26.01 | frostfever | sorry seerah. ima noob |
| 03:26.05 | Iriel | I see it say ERROR, did you do print("ERROR") or something? |
| 03:26.22 | frostfever | i copy pasted what you typed |
| 03:26.52 | Iriel | Did the addon load otherwise? can you use its slash command/ |
| 03:26.53 | frostfever | i may have it on the wrong level.. or tier? what do you say to describe the tab indents |
| 03:26.59 | Iriel | perhaps the EROR has always been there |
| 03:27.01 | Iriel | ERROR, even |
| 03:27.31 | frostfever | the addon loads, and is doing the shrinking thing it was designed to do |
| 03:27.48 | frostfever | ill disable the addon and check for error |
| 03:27.54 | Iriel | Well first |
| 03:28.02 | Iriel | if you manually move your frames, then change the slider |
| 03:28.09 | Iriel | does it mess up your layout, and does the print fire? |
| 03:28.18 | frostfever | ooo. let me check |
| 03:29.09 | frostfever | it resets, no message |
| 03:29.21 | Iriel | Bah |
| 03:29.24 | Iriel | I dunno then, sorry. |
| 03:29.52 | frostfever | its ok,, you did great,, at least now we inow for sure what wont work,, hehe |
| 03:29.55 | Iriel | Maybe someone who knows how the blizzard frames handle their anchors will show up |
| 03:30.06 | frostfever | i appreciate the time |
| 03:30.23 | frostfever | i still wonder where its getting the info to reset where it does |
| 03:32.32 | frostfever | anyways, thanks again |
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| 03:36.53 | Shirik | I finally figured out the purpose of the two antennas in the 4S |
| 03:37.03 | Shirik | It's so that if you hold your hand in that position that blocks the antenna, the other one works |
| 03:37.16 | Iriel | clever |
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| 04:15.38 | Shirik | http://i.imgur.com/DiHfU.png |
| 04:16.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 04:32.23 | Shirik | MY PIZZA IS HERE |
| 04:32.28 | Shirik | VICTORY DANCE TIME |
| 04:32.34 | mckenziemc1 | :( |
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| 04:32.49 | Nobgul | what time is it Shirik |
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| 04:32.53 | Nobgul | where your at anyway |
| 04:32.58 | Shirik | 932 |
| 04:33.08 | Nobgul | blarg |
| 04:33.15 | Nobgul | rhad pizza like 5 hours ago |
| 04:33.24 | Nobgul | and want more but the kids killed it |
| 04:33.32 | mckenziemc1 | hehe |
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| 04:34.55 | Nobgul | sup blue |
| 04:34.59 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 04:35.50 | mckenziemc1 | hey greenbluspacecow |
| 04:35.56 | mckenziemc1 | your name is green in my irc client |
| 04:36.07 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 04:36.12 | Shirik | o/ |
| 04:36.30 | mckenziemc1 | i see you grew an arm back already blu |
| 04:36.36 | bluspacecow | long day. |
| 04:43.55 | bluspacecow | the white 64 GB ipod is rarely then a nineteen fingered elephant with syphillis i've found. |
| 04:44.14 | Nobgul | the what with who |
| 04:44.22 | Shirik | so check out what happens when wall street figures out your components are in the iphone: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:TQNT |
| 04:44.35 | bluspacecow | they arrived 2 days ago now and most big stores i went ordered below 5-6 units |
| 04:44.40 | bluspacecow | *went to |
| 04:45.29 | Nobgul | well Shirik, sure wish i had that stock. |
| 04:45.46 | Shirik | well it's easy to say that in retrospect |
| 04:46.18 | Nobgul | of course |
| 04:46.34 | Shirik | I find that wishing for those kinds of returns is pointless. Actively pick good, solid companies and eventually it will happen |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | case in point: Google today |
| 04:46.50 | Shirik | up about 7% |
| 04:46.54 | Shirik | http://www.google.com/finance?q=GOOG |
| 04:46.56 | Shirik | off earnings |
| 04:47.02 | Nobgul | My stock has been blah at best. got it for free so I can't complain but ugh i should have sold years ago lol |
| 04:47.43 | Shirik | I'm a trader, not an investor, so it's not really fair for me to be giving out buy-and-hold advise |
| 04:47.51 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:48.32 | Nobgul | Still well above what i got it at. You wanna buy it? |
| 04:49.02 | Shirik | I rarely hold positions for more than a couple days :) |
| 04:49.18 | Shirik | I have very strict criteria I operate on |
| 04:49.21 | Nobgul | I have had mine for 14 years |
| 04:49.24 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:50.36 | Shirik | for example |
| 04:50.40 | Nobgul | Like I said was given to me. So I have not had the the need to sell due to finincial reasons |
| 04:51.02 | Nobgul | Although I should have when it traded like 50$ above where it was at |
| 04:51.48 | Nobgul | But I was 19 then and well, Money was not a issue lack of beer was. |
| 04:54.54 | Shirik | (drew in the yellow arrows with MS paint, sorry it's so ugly) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/19af9f4109f9f6e7a8f20fca07227486.png |
| 04:55.10 | Shirik | bought on the breakout, sell on the bounce off resistance |
| 04:55.31 | Shirik | I lost another $15 today but that's like nothing so whatever |
| 04:55.39 | Shirik | the position going up was a lot bigger :P |
| 04:56.30 | Nobgul | Yea but you have to be a active trader ^^ see above^^ in order to do that =P |
| 04:56.46 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 04:57.34 | Nobgul | HIDE! |
| 04:57.52 | mckenziemc1 | drops a smoke grenade |
| 04:58.18 | Nobgul | but yea cause i got the stock for 0 i don't really check it all that often. Im not gonna sell no reason to |
| 04:59.10 | Shirik | you should only sell when you don't trust the companay to profit anymore |
| 04:59.20 | Shirik | so long as you still trust the company... |
| 04:59.36 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:59.56 | Nobgul | they are all over. So yer im good. When i see them going down then ill consider it. |
| 05:00.17 | Shirik | aw :( |
| 05:00.34 | Shirik | well at least you didn't lose anything :D |
| 05:00.36 | Nobgul | Trust in the company is something diff. I haven't trusted them in a long time. And they have lost a lot of ground. |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik | is it apple? |
| 05:01.08 | Shirik | oh, lost ground |
| 05:01.11 | Shirik | must be RIMM |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik | sorry, RIM |
| 05:01.24 | Shirik | it's sad that I think in tickers :( |
| 05:01.31 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 05:01.37 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:02.02 | Shirik | I spelled apple aaple the other day |
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| 05:02.20 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:02.51 | Nobgul | So what the hell happened with rim/blackberry anyway. I don't own one but ever one of my contractors that do are pissed. |
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| 05:03.00 | Nobgul | every |
| 05:03.07 | Iriel | They claim they had a switch failure in their non-US data center |
| 05:03.11 | Shirik | well the latest is |
| 05:03.15 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:03.20 | Shirik | a switch failure that affected THE ENTIRE WORLD |
| 05:03.20 | Iriel | |
| 05:03.24 | Shirik | I haven't quite figured that one out |
| 05:03.25 | Iriel | They only have 2 data centers |
| 05:03.29 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:03.45 | Nobgul | A switch faliure at 2 data centers. |
| 05:04.00 | Nobgul | that means that 1 failed and the other was shut off |
| 05:04.03 | Iriel | They claim the US data center impact is due to backlog from the other |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik | but I mean, between loss of market share, failure to innovate, and now this |
| 05:04.13 | Iriel | they have dual switches in each DC, but the failover didn't work |
| 05:04.22 | Nobgul | hrmm |
| 05:04.22 | Iriel | (This is what I read YESTERDAY so they may have a new story now) |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | that's about what I've heard |
| 05:04.38 | Nobgul | Well all i know is i check my backups |
| 05:04.40 | Shirik | well except for the 2 data center thing |
| 05:04.43 | Iriel | My boss is a BB user and he was twitchy all day yesterday |
| 05:04.49 | Shirik | I'm a BB user |
| 05:04.58 | Shirik | and I was going "thank god my iphone is coming on friday" |
| 05:04.59 | Nobgul | get apple |
| 05:05.08 | Nobgul | Welcome to the world get apple |
| 05:05.24 | Nobgul | and this new keyboard is double spacing and it pisses me off. |
| 05:05.25 | Shirik | looking forward to playing with siri |
| 05:05.31 | Shirik | even if just for fun |
| 05:05.35 | Iriel | Not the greatest timing on RIM's part I must say |
| 05:06.11 | Shirik | Iriel: I'm really tempted to short them when their earnings are about to be released, but I don't think I will |
| 05:06.20 | Shirik | but I really don't see them sticking around for much longer |
| 05:06.27 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if they get bought out by google or something |
| 05:06.33 | Iriel | The question is will they lose ENOUGH market share |
| 05:06.42 | Iriel | We were discussing whether google should do that for their patent portfolio |
| 05:06.43 | Nobgul | I don't think they will |
| 05:06.50 | Shirik | well they're even starting to lose in the business world |
| 05:07.03 | Nobgul | look at nextel |
| 05:07.03 | Shirik | for example, my company doesn't get blackberries anymore |
| 05:07.17 | Nobgul | virgin mobile |
| 05:07.22 | Iriel | Most of my peers have iPhones or androids |
| 05:07.26 | Nobgul | they have to find thier niche |
| 05:07.32 | Iriel | it used to be BB or nothing |
| 05:08.06 | Nobgul | I would not buy a bb i have and would not again. |
| 05:08.14 | Iriel | Ditto |
| 05:08.19 | Nobgul | and this doulbe spacing is killing me! |
| 05:08.24 | Shirik | You know what I think is hilarious |
| 05:08.30 | Shirik | They're releasing phones running on QNX |
| 05:08.37 | Shirik | and spinning it off like they made the OS |
| 05:09.07 | Nobgul | but that requires 4g doesnt it? |
| 05:09.22 | Shirik | QNX is just an operating system. I used it on a robot I made a while back |
| 05:09.31 | Iriel | it's been around forever |
| 05:09.34 | Shirik | and they most certainly didn't make it |
| 05:09.46 | Iriel | did they buy the company that did? |
| 05:09.46 | Nobgul | yea but the version on the phone has constant updates. |
| 05:10.05 | Nobgul | naw |
| 05:10.18 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 05:10.25 | Shirik | it will be interesting to see how they do it though |
| 05:10.30 | Nobgul | its open source |
| 05:10.30 | Shirik | open source they could do it for free |
| 05:10.37 | Nobgul | it is |
| 05:10.43 | Shirik | did they announce that? |
| 05:10.46 | Shirik | because QNX is dual-licensed |
| 05:10.52 | Shirik | they could do it commercially |
| 05:11.01 | Nobgul | i am almost 100% that they are |
| 05:11.11 | Shirik | it would be a smart move I think |
| 05:13.38 | Nobgul | The real question is Is apple viable after what happened. |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:14.06 | Nobgul | After steve |
| 05:14.07 | Shirik | what do you mean is apple viable? |
| 05:14.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:14.16 | Shirik | so there's two sides to that |
| 05:14.29 | Nobgul | they lost massive market shares he las time he left. |
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| 05:14.54 | Shirik | but most people I know that are long apple believe that steve has already been out of the apple picture long enough, and the new guy was close enough to him, that things shouldn't change too much |
| 05:15.18 | bluspacecow | apparently steve left plans for apple products and services for the next 4 years |
| 05:15.21 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:15.27 | Nobgul | that is something we wil have to see i guess. |
| 05:15.30 | Nobgul | night Cairenn |
| 05:16.02 | bluspacecow | and most people like to bring up the loss of market shares not realizing shares bounce back , often daily |
| 05:16.26 | bluspacecow | for example when he decleared he was resigned the stock price was back up the morning after he announced it |
| 05:16.37 | Shirik | Trends are intraday, daily, monthly, yearly, and decade-ly |
| 05:16.50 | Shirik | Always pay attention to one shorter and one longer, but go no further |
| 05:17.03 | Shirik | in other words, if you're planning to hold it for years, ignore the daily movement |
| 05:17.51 | Shirik | (then again, I have a very "technician" view on the market; there are a lot of people that have a problem with that statement) |
| 05:17.54 | Nobgul | eh |
| 05:19.16 | bluspacecow | seriously my comments to those who said apple was going out of business was to link a lmgtfy link for AAPL |
| 05:19.27 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:19.31 | bluspacecow | oh look it's already gone back up ! |
| 05:20.10 | bluspacecow | iirc it dipped to $324 / share end of closing was $387 and in a few days was nearing the $400 mark |
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| 05:22.26 | Shirik | I gladly profit off the stupidity of the masses :) |
| 05:32.52 | Jamash | apple's the new microsoft |
| 05:33.26 | Jamash | they're not going to go out of business, just very, very slowly fade into irrelevance |
| 05:34.09 | Shirik | it will take someone to replace them first |
| 05:34.12 | Shirik | unless you think it's google |
| 05:34.49 | Jamash | I'd like to see all the proprietary OS companies go out of business and have nobody replace them tbh |
| 05:35.11 | Shirik | well someone has to make the devices |
| 05:35.22 | Jamash | and they can put linux or whatever on them |
| 05:35.28 | mckenziemc1 | open hardware! |
| 05:35.33 | Jamash | I think google should buy nintendo |
| 05:35.42 | Shirik | you know, that's not a bad idea |
| 05:35.44 | Jamash | I think that it would be the smartest business decision of all time |
| 05:36.10 | Jamash | but only if they bought them, said "ok your new hardware platform is android, go do your thing" and left them the hell alone |
| 05:37.57 | Jamash | nintendo has what google desperately needs, which is awesome entertainment software, and google has what nintendo desperately needs, which is a platform that people actually want to purchase and carry around with them |
| 05:38.26 | Shirik | both google and nintendo are innovators too |
| 05:38.33 | Shirik | nintendo just doesn't get it quite right |
| 05:38.39 | Jamash | nintendo has innovated itself into a corner yet again |
| 05:39.18 | Jamash | I mean, what was so innovative about the SNES, compared to the NES? |
| 05:39.33 | mckenziemc1 | it was super |
| 05:39.34 | Jamash | it had, uh, more buttons |
| 05:39.48 | Jamash | and yet the SNES is arguably the best console ever made in terms of software |
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| 05:40.17 | Shirik | still, they had the wii before the kinect and whatever that sony thing is called |
| 05:40.21 | Corrodias | it had good audio and video hardware |
| 05:40.22 | Shirik | they made the 3DS |
| 05:40.31 | Shirik | I think game boy came out before game gear |
| 05:40.49 | Shirik | they made the first 3D system |
| 05:41.15 | Jamash | that's what I mean innovating themselves into a corner: They sold a bajillion wiis on the grounds of being different and accessible to the masses |
| 05:41.19 | Shirik | (p.s., I used to think the N64 had awesome graphics. I revisited it a year ago and played goldeneye and was sitting there like "what's with this flat face") |
| 05:41.38 | Corrodias | well, it did have awesome graphics compared to its primary competitors |
| 05:41.54 | Jamash | but then they did the nintendo thing of failing to get third-party support in any meaningful way |
| 05:41.59 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:42.12 | Corrodias | scale up the resolution and they still look... acceptable. mario 64 is a very elegant design. |
| 05:42.24 | Jamash | so now they're trying to make a console that is supar new and innovative and also will have good third-party support |
| 05:42.41 | Jamash | except the way to get good third-party support is to be the same as everyone else |
| 05:43.03 | Jamash | so they are basically dooming themselves to fail at one or both objectives |
| 05:43.26 | Jamash | thus, android, imo |
| 05:44.19 | Jamash | stop trying to be so innovative that you leave both gamers and developers behind |
| 05:45.20 | Shirik | so what I need to do is buy a ton of shares of nintendo, become a 50% owner, and elect Jamash CEO |
| 05:45.29 | Jamash | oh god no |
| 05:45.34 | Jamash | I'd make a terrible ceo |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | lua> 1.51/2 |
| 05:45.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.755 |
| 05:46.04 | Shirik | I'd only need 755B yen |
| 05:46.06 | Shirik | what is that |
| 05:46.27 | Shirik | 9,817,944,500 |
| 05:46.29 | Shirik | USD |
| 05:47.22 | Jamash | my point is nobody should go around making any westerner CEO, they should just say "we don't care what kind of magic mushrooms you're smoking as long as you make games for us" |
| 05:48.24 | Jamash | http://www.zoion.com/~erlkonig/writings/programmer-beekeeping.html |
| 05:51.23 | Corrodias | truly, mister Card wrote that? |
| 05:55.01 | Shirik | ha, "To them C++ is a decent grade, almost a B" |
| 05:57.13 | Shirik | that's interesting Jamash; my team lead has been with the company for years, and refuses to become management despite him being asked several times |
| 05:57.50 | Jamash | Shirik: He knows that to become management is to cease to exist |
| 05:59.04 | Shirik | that's a really interesting little snippet |
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| 06:03.34 | Jamash | I have this odd attitude towards Card; on the one hand he wrote two of the best science fiction novels of all time and that excellent piece on programmers and management, and on the other hand he's a giant flaming pile of poo |
| 06:06.22 | Corrodias | is he? |
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| 06:18.51 | Jamash | http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.5075687/apps/s/content.asp?ct=6938473 |
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| 07:27.38 | airtonix | yep damn civis |
| 07:28.25 | karl_w_w | http://static.winningateverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/WA_engorgio.jpg |
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| 08:37.16 | airtonix | so |
| 08:40.51 | karl_w_w | so |
| 08:40.56 | haste | so |
| 08:41.37 | karl_w_w | airtonix get me orb whisperer 25 man |
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| 08:56.25 | harl | wuff |
| 09:04.44 | Fisker | haste |
| 09:04.47 | Fisker | i farted :( |
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| 09:16.08 | Grum | Fisker: did you at least sit in it like a man? |
| 09:16.21 | Fisker | of course Grum |
| 09:17.44 | Grum | i'm so proud of you |
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| 09:37.17 | karl_w_w | simple question, how can I get localized class & race names? |
| 09:39.06 | karl_w_w | or are they the same on all locales |
| 09:43.59 | AcidWeb | karl_w_w: FillLocalizedClassList |
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| 09:59.03 | Leonassan | Morning all |
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| 12:36.44 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 12:38.04 | foxlit | morning |
| 12:42.15 | dardack_ | morn |
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| 12:56.29 | dardack_work | sigh MS finalized aq of skype, better not f my skype on linux |
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| 13:05.45 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:05.48 | Fisker | skype on linux? |
| 13:06.03 | Fisker | pretty sure skype beat them to it |
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| 13:29.12 | airtonix | hey |
| 13:30.00 | airtonix | Fisker: i will cause you trouble |
| 13:31.32 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 13:32.17 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
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| 13:48.33 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/DiHfU |
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| 13:56.10 | airtonix | hey mikma |
| 13:56.48 | airtonix | is it on fire------ always ok! |
| 13:58.14 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 13:58.16 | airtonix | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/419599 |
| 13:58.18 | airtonix | lawl |
| 13:58.30 | airtonix | i got high score with space bar |
| 13:58.50 | mikma | airtonix: is it moving when it's on fire? |
| 14:00.17 | airtonix | also |
| 14:00.19 | airtonix | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/241664 |
| 14:05.13 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2011/10/bill-gates-he-jumps-desk-chairs-in-inter.php |
| 14:05.28 | airtonix | this better be funny |
| 14:06.49 | airtonix | Thanks to Khisk, who once jumped a cubicle wall and choked a coworker out for talking on the phone too loud. |
| 14:07.00 | airtonix | i don't know what to say |
| 14:07.26 | airtonix | mikma: that's like hearing your mother recount her teenage sexual exploits |
| 14:08.05 | airtonix | or indeed any parental figure re-imagining their childhood.... vocally |
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| 14:08.28 | mikma | airtonix: ok |
| 14:08.50 | mikma | airtonix: how about a drill that drills square holes? http://www.geekologie.com/2011/10/machine-shop-magic-drill-press-drills-sq.php |
| 14:12.04 | Maldivia | weekend! |
| 14:14.42 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG no wai. |
| 14:15.44 | Dagmar | Blasphemy! |
| 14:16.20 | Dagmar | Freaking witchcraft! |
| 14:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I *am* a witch, so you shouldn't be too surprised. |
| 14:17.59 | airtonix | burn her |
| 14:18.02 | Dagmar | Dancing and singing typically don't punch holes in steel. |
| 14:18.05 | airtonix | after using duct tape |
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| 14:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | It does if you dance and sing while holding a drill, or a hammer and an ice pick. |
| 14:19.40 | Chamenas | hehe |
| 14:20.07 | Lopeppeppy | Magic is in the action. :P But drilling a square hole isn't all that hard, really. |
| 14:20.58 | airtonix | mikma: that is genius |
| 14:22.20 | mikma | airtonix: also scary |
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| 14:24.27 | airtonix | also |
| 14:24.40 | airtonix | bit disapoint that eric banna isn't the hulk in the avengers |
| 14:25.04 | airtonix | missed seing Poita the VB sculling holden driving Yobbo smashing things |
| 14:29.46 | Arrowmaster | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/10/newest-muppet-trailer-includes-toilets.php Neil Patrick Harris doing manomnana |
| 14:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | He rocks the world. |
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| 14:34.19 | airtonix | anyway Lopeppeppy |
| 14:37.37 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 14:39.33 | airtonix | hey |
| 14:39.47 | airtonix | umuppet? |
| 14:42.40 | Lopeppeppy | Me, a muppet? I wish. I'd kick Piggy's ass and rock out harder than Janice. |
| 14:43.03 | Chamenas | Lopeppeppy is a muppet |
| 14:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | You don't want to know what my hair is made of. |
| 14:46.41 | airtonix | Chamenas: umad? |
| 14:46.54 | airtonix | i think you're jealous |
| 14:52.01 | Chamenas | :P |
| 14:52.03 | Dagmar | Janice didn't rock out too terribly hard. SOmething to do with being high all the time I think. |
| 14:52.33 | Dagmar | I do find it curious tho that the rasta muppet seems to be generally clear-headed. |
| 14:56.18 | Lopeppeppy | Janice is always ready to play, has a good outlook on life. She's awesome. |
| 15:01.43 | Chamenas | I cant access my bank's website to see if my money is there :( |
| 15:01.45 | Chamenas | Guess I can call |
| 15:02.13 | Dagmar | For varying scopes of "if my money is there" you can just assume it's not actually there and be fine |
| 15:02.26 | Chamenas | I need to pay bills though :P |
| 15:03.50 | Dagmar | well, if you wanna get picky about whether or not the bank thinks it owes you money then I suppose you probably should lean on them a bit, yes. ;) |
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| 15:06.15 | Chamenas | I called |
| 15:06.23 | Chamenas | "Your account information is currently unavailable" |
| 15:07.38 | Dagmar | BofA? |
| 15:07.49 | Chamenas | No |
| 15:07.51 | Chamenas | Citizens |
| 15:07.52 | Dagmar | *whew* |
| 15:08.22 | Dagmar | BofA' |
| 15:08.36 | Chamenas | I think I would hoard my money under my mattress if BofA was the only bank left |
| 15:08.47 | Dagmar | BofA's had so many issues lately I was about to seriously consider rushing my "get my money back from them" plans |
| 15:09.59 | Ackis | http://www.marryyourpet.com/ |
| 15:14.10 | Chamenas | wow |
| 15:14.22 | Chamenas | God dammit. TELL ME WHERE MY MONEY IS. >.> |
| 15:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | I ate it? |
| 15:16.47 | cogwheel | I love the nightlife. I got to boogie on the disco round! |
| 15:16.52 | Chamenas | ?? |
| 15:17.01 | cogwheel | *dances* |
| 15:20.14 | Lopeppeppy | Action - I got so much to give. I want to give it, I want to get some too! |
| 15:25.15 | foxlit | Silly Lion scrolling changes |
| 15:26.06 | foxlit | You can turn off their inverted vertical scroll, but all of the horizontal gestures are still inverted :/ |
| 15:26.41 | foxlit | Or maybe I'm being silly. |
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| 15:43.27 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 15:44.00 | pompy | Gnarfoz: you use SmartGit right? They released 2.1 today. |
| 15:44.43 | Fisker | oh ok cogwheel |
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| 15:49.10 | pompy | oh so thats why there was a million ppl outside a verizon store this morning at 5am ... the iphone 4s lol |
| 15:50.34 | Shirik | you didn't know? :P |
| 15:50.36 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 15:50.38 | Shirik | Fisker Fisker fisk |
| 15:50.39 | Shirik | er |
| 15:50.55 | Shirik | my phone is "on vehicle out for delivery" |
| 15:51.14 | airtonix | i hate you Shirik |
| 15:51.54 | airtonix | pompy: hey we should package communism in a white box with a chrome logo and charge $999 for it |
| 15:51.58 | airtonix | YES? |
| 15:52.24 | pompy | totally |
| 15:52.29 | airtonix | i think hitler was doing it wrong |
| 15:52.48 | airtonix | what a noob |
| 15:52.55 | pompy | Shirik: i knew bout the phone but not the release date! |
| 15:54.23 | Shirik | airtonix: Just make sure you put an "a" in front of everything |
| 15:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, delivery. |
| 15:55.10 | pompy | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/samsung-event-2011-10-13.jpg love that logo, ice cream sandwich |
| 15:55.37 | airtonix | decorates Lopeppeppy as Commander in Chief of Cookies |
| 15:55.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yes! |
| 15:55.57 | airtonix | seel cookies yes? |
| 15:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | I really wish I could bake you guys cookies for Blizcon. I had tons of fun. |
| 15:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | Seals are not good cookie ingredients, too fishy. |
| 15:56.50 | airtonix | why you make fun |
| 15:57.23 | pompy | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/dennis-ritchie-pioneer-of-c-programming-language-and-unix-repo/ rip |
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| 16:03.15 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:05.05 | Cairenn|afk | base |
| 16:05.15 | Lunessa | belong to us. |
| 16:05.21 | Cairenn|afk | *giggle* |
| 16:05.23 | Cairenn|afk | *poof* |
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| 16:05.43 | Chamenas | Cairenn! |
| 16:05.46 | Chamenas | No poof :( |
| 16:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | Mine! |
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| 16:18.29 | pompy | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/duke-nukem-3d-is-coming-to-android-old-rope-shares-soar/ |
| 16:20.34 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 16:33.57 | Fisker | oh ok Shirik |
| 16:34.02 | Fisker | i hope you enjoy your blood phone |
| 16:37.12 | karl_w_w | come mr tallyman tally me banana |
| 16:37.36 | Lopeppeppy | Daylight come and me wanna go hooo-ome! |
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| 16:40.35 | Lunessa | Six foot, Seven foot, Eight foot, BUNCH! |
| 16:40.58 | Lopeppeppy | Now I'm seeing the dinner scene from Beetlejuice. :) |
| 16:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | When shrimps attack. |
| 16:41.21 | Lunessa | Day-O! |
| 16:41.43 | Shirik | Lunessa has been sipping the red red wine |
| 16:42.01 | Lunessa | Makes me feel so fine. |
| 16:42.23 | Cide | Shirik: pong |
| 16:43.15 | Shirik | Cide: How do you do rhyolith? I think the person I have doing the steerring is just driving like they do in Jamaica, I was wondering if you had a simple algorithm to steer him |
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| 16:43.58 | Lunessa | Smash the hell out of one leg. Then, when you want him to turn the other way, smash the hell out of the other leg. |
| 16:44.16 | Cide | we have 3 melee on the legs usually, one on each leg going all out |
| 16:44.28 | Cide | and the driver switching between them and going all out |
| 16:44.32 | Shirik | yeah but how do you decide where to drive |
| 16:44.41 | Shirik | do you have any algorithm for that |
| 16:44.41 | Cide | toward the next active volcano |
| 16:44.46 | Cide | straight ahead |
| 16:44.49 | Shirik | wait, so you only have the driver switching? |
| 16:44.52 | Cide | yes |
| 16:44.54 | Shirik | why |
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| 16:45.00 | Cide | more dps on each leg |
| 16:45.03 | Cide | more consistent turning |
| 16:45.33 | Cide | we have all people switch to one leg if we need to do a super-fast turn but otherwise just the driver |
| 16:45.50 | Shirik | we don't seem to be able to turn fast enough even when everyone is on the same leg |
| 16:45.57 | Cide | then you are bad |
| 16:46.03 | Cide | turn fast enough for what? |
| 16:46.05 | Shirik | well I already knew that |
| 16:46.11 | Shirik | for anything |
| 16:46.14 | Cide | just head for the active volcano, then head for the next active volcano |
| 16:46.18 | Cide | repeat |
| 16:46.24 | Shirik | YAY |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | FEDEX TRUCK IS HERE |
| 16:46.28 | Shirik | OMGOMG |
| 16:46.32 | Shirik | brb |
| 16:46.35 | Cide | grats on your iphone LOL |
| 16:46.41 | Cide | brb grocery store |
| 16:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | whee! |
| 16:47.08 | Shirik | haha |
| 16:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | Now let's take bets on how long it will take him to get it running ios 5 |
| 16:47.18 | Shirik | the fedex guy goes "verizon huh? I got tons of these today." |
| 16:48.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy :( |
| 16:49.15 | pompy | http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/160513/iphone-4s-launches-att-chokes.html |
| 16:49.17 | pompy | owned |
| 16:50.12 | Shirik | AT&T sucks |
| 16:51.00 | airtonix | umad? |
| 16:52.15 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik sweetie, there are people still working on their bricked phones. ios 5 is as cranky as old-school WoW updates. |
| 16:53.52 | pompy | lol apple started a bbm knockoff i see |
| 16:53.58 | pompy | iMessage |
| 16:54.12 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: lawl |
| 16:54.43 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: i told my co-worker to think rationally before installing ios5 |
| 16:54.47 | airtonix | didn;t work |
| 16:55.05 | airtonix | he was already foaming at the mouth by the end of my 20 sec speech |
| 16:55.10 | Fisker | of course not |
| 16:55.14 | Fisker | already had an iphone |
| 16:55.15 | Fisker | duh |
| 16:55.18 | airtonix | and rapidly clicking Install |
| 16:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not going near the update until at least next week. |
| 16:56.28 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: i would sell the phone |
| 16:56.31 | Fisker | not you Lopeppeppy :( |
| 16:57.10 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: carve up a wooden plank the same size and draw the interface on it |
| 16:57.10 | Lunessa | I wanted to get all my devices updated before I left for my trip. |
| 16:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | It works happily just as it is, airtonix. |
| 16:57.10 | airtonix | sell for 500$ |
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| 16:57.10 | airtonix | profit |
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| 17:00.09 | airtonix | Lunessa: but it works now right? |
| 17:00.09 | airtonix | Lunessa: think rationally about this and just move your mouse cursor away from the itunes update button |
| 17:00.09 | Lunessa | airtonix: Yeah, everything is working fine. I think I'm going to give up on a bunch of the location-aware features though. Battery life is too short with them on. |
| 17:00.09 | Fisker | at that point you can't think rationally airtonix |
| 17:00.09 | Lunessa | And all my devices are updated. |
| 17:00.09 | airtonix | ok i might become a iphone counseller |
| 17:00.09 | Fisker | i've been there once airtonix :( |
| 17:00.09 | Fisker | my brother got an iphone |
| 17:00.10 | Fisker | and because he didn't have a CC |
| 17:00.10 | Fisker | i let him use mine to get some apps |
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| 17:00.10 | Fisker | big mistake ;_; |
| 17:00.10 | airtonix | hey nicoli_s |
| 17:00.10 | nicoli_s | hey |
| 17:00.10 | airtonix | Fisker is buying an iphone |
| 17:00.10 | Fisker | try harder airtonix |
| 17:00.10 | nicoli_s | poor him, 4s? |
| 17:00.10 | airtonix | anyway |
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| 17:00.11 | Fisker | http://www.hockeydrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/iphone_4s_upgrade.png <-at most i'm getting that for my nexus one |
| 17:00.26 | airtonix | hoho |
| 17:00.34 | Lunessa | Fisker: Save your credit rating. Get him a gift card for iTunes. |
| 17:01.07 | Fisker | credit cards don't work like that anyway |
| 17:01.09 | kaiden | speaking of phones, i just updated my Rom that i was using on my android (htc sensation 4g (brilliant phone)) to miui-us, and oh em, effen gee |
| 17:01.11 | kaiden | Gorgeous rom! |
| 17:01.19 | Fisker | and he just got to pay all of it eventually :P |
| 17:01.30 | Dewin | heh, that reminds me, I need to see if Cyanogen has a stable build for vibrants yet. |
| 17:01.43 | airtonix | kaiden: why is it gorgeous |
| 17:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | I use iTunes gift cards so I'm never tempted to go all crazy. |
| 17:02.20 | kaiden | airtonix, well, it is completely themeable, from the lockscreen down to every single object in the phone, and it has many hundreds of themes out for it already from china as they have been out a while over there, and are being ported over here |
| 17:02.36 | kaiden | it also has a very nice looking default ui, and a ton of custom applications they have written |
| 17:02.48 | kaiden | that all handle doing things in ways i've never seen done on the android so far |
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| 17:02.59 | airtonix | kaiden: link? |
| 17:03.03 | kaiden | the apps system is a lot like the iPhone in that you can have both an apps drawer and all your apps get put on your screen |
| 17:03.07 | kaiden | http://www.miui.us |
| 17:03.20 | kaiden | though i have to say the screenshots dont do it justice |
| 17:03.33 | kaiden | i took the plunge thinking it would be fugly and i was very happily proven wrong |
| 17:03.34 | kaiden | :) |
| 17:04.11 | kaiden | to describe the way it looks, think of a themed iPhone using Winterboard, with the ability to do widgets built in |
| 17:04.26 | airtonix | i don't know what winterboard is |
| 17:04.44 | kaiden | a jailbreak app for iPhone that allows themeing of the ui |
| 17:05.22 | Dewin | Hmm, MIUI is a fork of Cyanogen? |
| 17:05.31 | kaiden | airtonix, just give it a whirl :) what can it hurt, you can always just back up before you install then reinstall if you dont like it |
| 17:05.48 | kaiden | Dewin, i think it was a fork way back when, as far as I know now it has been 100% custom for a long while |
| 17:05.57 | kaiden | though, as i said, i think, i very well may be wrong :) |
| 17:06.07 | Dewin | Heh, the guide I just skimmed says to flash 'old CM7' at some point |
| 17:06.34 | kaiden | uhm, i didn't read any of that, and didn't do it that way |
| 17:06.44 | kaiden | i think that may be if you dont have a rooted phone? |
| 17:06.51 | Dewin | Mine is. |
| 17:06.54 | kaiden | since the cm7 rom roots your phone (i believe at least) |
| 17:07.03 | Fisker | btw airtonix |
| 17:07.08 | Fisker | i'm mad btw |
| 17:07.11 | kaiden | well yeah mine was rooted too, so all i did was download it, go into rom manager, clicked Install ROM from SDCard |
| 17:07.12 | Dewin | Most roms root your phone by default, though some require you to get it rooted in the first place to install it |
| 17:07.15 | kaiden | and selected the rom, and there you go |
| 17:08.39 | Dewin | Looks like I'm going to wait though, since CM/Miui apparently have some battery-killing issues on my phone. |
| 17:08.52 | kaiden | pro tip, since some of the themes for it are chinese ports, you may get stuck on one that can't unlock, to unlock just press volume-up + power, that's what i experienced with Voluer theme |
| 17:08.54 | Dewin | whereas Bionix will let me go a full day and then some without charging depending on use. |
| 17:09.13 | kaiden | Dewin, ah, Good Idea =) |
| 17:10.29 | Dewin | Of course, I'm thinking about buying a new phone and conning my brother-in-law who wants to jump onto our wireless plan into buying my old one :-p |
| 17:11.58 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, I am confused |
| 17:12.02 | kaiden | i am quite happy with my phone / service, at least mostly :( |
| 17:12.05 | Shirik | you seemed to indicate I would have to download ios 5 |
| 17:12.09 | Shirik | I seem to disagree |
| 17:12.10 | kaiden | T-Mobile has a couple of problems where i am |
| 17:12.27 | kaiden | only some small areas though as I drive home |
| 17:12.40 | Dewin | kaiden:I occasionally get a bad data connection but, incidentally, it's only noticable in the two places I can get consistent wifi access anyways. |
| 17:13.08 | Dewin | Other then that, my phone works great aside from the well-known Galaxy S GPS issues. |
| 17:13.24 | Dewin | Sadly, they weren't well-known at the time I got the phone. |
| 17:14.00 | kaiden | ah, i hear the Galaxy S2 is pretty spiff |
| 17:14.04 | kaiden | checked it out yet? |
| 17:14.25 | Dewin | Nah, I haven't shopped for a new phone since I don't (yet) have the budget for it. Plus we're still under contract for another... 10 months or so |
| 17:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh la la, it comes on your new phone already? Lucky lucky. |
| 17:14.51 | Dewin | Our phones before these went like 7 years, so the idea that we could switch to the lower out-of-contract rate after 2yrs was appealing. |
| 17:15.24 | Dewin | As long as I don't have to go back to Verizon (they still owe me $100 in wrongfully collected taxes...) |
| 17:16.14 | Dewin | When we moved to OR, we updated our address with Verizon. All of our bills and such had the new Oregon address. We then realized they were still! charging WA sales tax. |
| 17:18.03 | kaiden | Dewin, I hate Verizon due to that |
| 17:18.15 | kaiden | I also hate Capital One / Comcast for bullshit like that |
| 17:18.30 | kaiden | comcast contacted me last month and told me they had been charging me 50$ a month too much for almost 3 years |
| 17:18.44 | kaiden | i said well are you going to refund it, they said sadly the time for us to do that has passed |
| 17:18.57 | Dewin | What? They've been pretty good about refunding me when they screwed stuff up. |
| 17:18.58 | kaiden | so i'm talking to a lawyer right now about how to approach the issue |
| 17:19.01 | kaiden | and get it taken care of |
| 17:19.21 | Dewin | Not to mention that when we initially got our phones, they said "Yeah, you can do buy one get one free and still do the rebate on the one you bought" and it took us months to get the rebate sorted out since at first they tried to apply the rebate to the free one, which of course wasn't eligible since it was free. |
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| 17:20.21 | Dewin | My only big beef with tmo is the tmo/AT&T merger business, and I actually complained anough to write an email to the FTC's anti-trust division (and got a reply back with a case#, which was pretty cool.) |
| 17:21.02 | Dewin | Since half my reason for choosing tmobile was not wanting AT&T. |
| 17:21.32 | kaiden | i think the merger is a FANTASTIC idea |
| 17:21.34 | kaiden | personally at least |
| 17:21.50 | Jamash | for me to poop on |
| 17:21.55 | kaiden | T-Mobile is a great service in itself, but sparse, and they are going to go out of business if they dont merge with someone |
| 17:22.04 | kaiden | they just can't sustain themselves / expand without extra funds |
| 17:22.19 | kaiden | so the merger with AT&T would benefit everyone, i mean yeah, there's the chance AT&T will screw the pooch on it and ruin stuff |
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| 17:22.21 | Jamash | well, not AT&T then |
| 17:22.26 | Jamash | haha, chance |
| 17:22.29 | kaiden | but there's also a chance that it might go well |
| 17:22.40 | Jamash | if by chance you mean 100% chance then yes |
| 17:22.40 | kaiden | oh wow, a dialup address |
| 17:22.44 | kaiden | i haven't seen one of those in years =) |
| 17:22.50 | mckenziemc | ): |
| 17:23.01 | kaiden | sorry mckenziemc didn't mean any offense =) |
| 17:23.08 | kaiden | just nostalgia |
| 17:23.10 | Jamash | poor mckenziemc |
| 17:23.39 | Dewin | kaiden:My thought is that if the merger goes, AT&T's going to kill a lot of the reasons we went T-Mobile in the first place, and it also sucks for phone makers since now they have less carriers to market phones. The phone manufacturers have to deal with the same 'Only 4 real companies' business that we do. |
| 17:24.06 | Dewin | The flipside is there's apparently a provision in there where AT&T has to give tmo a bunch of money and spectrum if the acquisition deal falls through, so that's a plus. |
| 17:24.28 | kaiden | well chances are the deal is going to fall through |
| 17:24.37 | kaiden | based on the fact that multiple states are filing suit |
| 17:24.39 | kaiden | heh |
| 17:24.49 | kaiden | so maybe TMO will get a bit of a infusion of life from the money they get |
| 17:25.10 | Dewin | AT&T really just wants tmobile for their spectrum and towers anyways. |
| 17:25.19 | Jamash | we need real telecom regulation in this country |
| 17:26.04 | Arrowmaster | they need to split up the companies like they did for power and natural gas |
| 17:26.11 | Dewin | I actually like what I've heard about how stuff works in Europe. No subsidized plans, you buy the phone outright, and you aren't charged for things like... incoming text messages. |
| 17:26.14 | kaiden | I dont know but, do the CLEC rules apply to the mobile spectrum as well? |
| 17:26.26 | kaiden | or is that only for copper lines / etc |
| 17:26.35 | airtonix | WUT? you're charged for incoming text messages? |
| 17:26.40 | Arrowmaster | have one company per region that does nothing but maintain the towers and then other companies that sell to customers and buy from the company maintaining the towers |
| 17:26.40 | airtonix | WHAT? |
| 17:26.56 | Dewin | airtonix: If you don't have an unlimited messaging plan and you have pretty much any US carrier, yes. |
| 17:26.59 | Dewin | Also incoming calls. |
| 17:27.06 | airtonix | not in australia |
| 17:27.11 | Dewin | Not anywhere but here. |
| 17:27.12 | airtonix | sucks to be american |
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| 17:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Our internet costs are different than in Europe too. |
| 17:27.47 | Dewin | It's ridiculous too, because SMS actually requires zero bandwidth. |
| 17:27.57 | neidz11 | Is this a room to discuss personal addon development? |
| 17:28.11 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 17:28.20 | Cide | Shirik: haven't you killed rhyolith already though? |
| 17:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | neidz11, yes it is. :) |
| 17:28.41 | neidz11 | Awesome! Glad I found it! |
| 17:29.04 | kaiden | Dewin, well, not 0 :) |
| 17:29.07 | kaiden | but very very small amounts hehe |
| 17:30.11 | Dewin | kaiden: It actually is zero, since SMS occupies a previously-reserved area of whatever the communications channel is that's being transmitted whether there's SMS data encoded in it or not. |
| 17:30.36 | airtonix | Cide: shirik is an apple zealot now |
| 17:30.38 | mckenziemc | so it's not zero, but it's part of the baseline |
| 17:30.44 | Cide | I still love him |
| 17:30.48 | airtonix | we need to have an intervention |
| 17:30.52 | Cide | doit |
| 17:31.01 | Dewin | zero 'additional' bandwidth, I should have said. |
| 17:32.11 | mckenziemc | so wait, people are actually always paying for text messages essentially, and double on sending/receiving? |
| 17:33.13 | Dewin | mckenziemc: Pretty much. Well, most anyone who seriously texts gets a plan for several hundred/unlimited texts. |
| 17:33.20 | dardack_work | wait are we talking about SMS, cause like I've been on that for years that the cell phone co's in USA are milking us since it costs them NOTHING at all |
| 17:33.29 | Dewin | dardack_work: Exactly. |
| 17:33.42 | dardack_work | sigh i hate cell phone co's in USA |
| 17:33.48 | dardack_work | UK does it much better |
| 17:33.51 | dardack_work | only charge on out calls |
| 17:33.58 | dardack_work | no charge for inc texts |
| 17:34.12 | Dewin | Well, there is a tiny bit of cost I imagine in processing the messages and figuring out which tower to relay them to (presumably over the internet) and such, but that's fractions of a penny per message |
| 17:34.33 | dardack_work | yea it's not 35 cents per message or w/e they are charging now |
| 17:34.58 | neidz11 | I'm a web developer and very new to addon development. In a nutshell, is it possible to have an addon push data to a web server, and for a web server to push info into an ingame addon? |
| 17:35.08 | Chamenas | no |
| 17:35.27 | airtonix | are you a web developer? |
| 17:35.37 | Dewin | neidz11: There is no way for addons to communicate with the outside world short of the user copy/pasting data or a program that reads/writes Lua files when WoW is not running. |
| 17:35.41 | airtonix | or just someone who knows how to use photoshop and upload wordpress |
| 17:35.41 | Chamenas | At best you can have a third-party program use data from your files and exchange with a server and update the files from outside info. |
| 17:35.51 | mckenziemc | hush airtonix |
| 17:35.52 | Fisker | i cost your internet in europe Lopeppeppy |
| 17:35.58 | airtonix | mckenziemc: umad? |
| 17:36.07 | kaiden | lol |
| 17:36.07 | dardack_work | imad |
| 17:36.08 | airtonix | mckenziemc: did i just describe you? |
| 17:36.16 | mckenziemc | yes, trolling newbies is shameful |
| 17:36.21 | airtonix | sorry |
| 17:36.53 | dardack_work | i think the first time i came in here airtonix trolled me |
| 17:36.59 | airtonix | dardack_work: umad? |
| 17:37.02 | dardack_work | imad |
| 17:37.05 | airtonix | oh |
| 17:37.10 | Lunessa | shameful describes the internet pretty well as a whole. |
| 17:37.15 | Chamenas | umad? Get an ipad! |
| 17:37.24 | neidz11 | airtonix Web Developer means I develop in PHP/ActionScript/Objective C Does that pass your definition of a web developer? |
| 17:37.31 | airtonix | no |
| 17:37.47 | neidz11 | OK. I stand corrected, I'm not a web developer |
| 17:38.03 | neidz11 | I'll let my Project Manager know ASAP! |
| 17:38.04 | Lunessa | Script Monkey. Be proud. |
| 17:38.08 | airtonix | you're missing graphics neidz11 |
| 17:38.18 | neidz11 | ah, damnit...I hate graphics. |
| 17:38.20 | Cide | who the fuck cares |
| 17:38.22 | airtonix | yeah so |
| 17:38.27 | airtonix | not a duck |
| 17:38.32 | Chamenas | Cide is awesome |
| 17:38.33 | Cide | you cannot get stuff into/out of wow |
| 17:38.48 | airtonix | Cide: i can type characters |
| 17:38.53 | Dewin | neidz11: The problem with "web developer" is the term is so overloaded to mean anything from "Hai, my blog has a guestbook and I don't check my inputs" to "I work for Google" |
| 17:38.58 | Lunessa | neidz11: The wow client's scripting is competently sandboxed. Internets don't leak in or out. |
| 17:39.13 | airtonix | Lunessa: internets? |
| 17:39.42 | dardack_work | neidz11 not sure what info your looking to get, you can hook in the Armory API for stuff from there, or if like a DKP thing at end of the night you can log out and then upload the file to a website that parses it or w/e, but while WoW is running you can't get anything in or out |
| 17:39.45 | Lunessa | (it's reference to something Lopeppeppy said a couple years ago, don't worry your manly head about it. ) |
| 17:39.56 | Dewin | The one time an addon reads data 'from the outside world' is when it loads its savedvariables on login/reload, and writes them on logout/reload. |
| 17:39.57 | airtonix | ok honey bunch |
| 17:40.11 | dardack_work | i loves dem internets |
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| 17:40.45 | Lunessa | But the client only reads data from specific files at load time, and only writes data at reload of the UI or logout (combat log and cheat log are exceptions, but write times are randomized). |
| 17:40.51 | airtonix | neidz11: ^ saved variables |
| 17:41.07 | Dewin | cheat log? |
| 17:41.10 | Lunessa | chat, not cheat |
| 17:41.16 | kaiden | lol |
| 17:41.18 | kaiden | was about to say |
| 17:41.19 | airtonix | oh |
| 17:41.22 | Lunessa | danmed auto-correct has infected mu IRC client. |
| 17:41.22 | kaiden | oh noes i've been caught! |
| 17:41.44 | Dewin | and you can't arbitrarily write to the combat or chat logs either. Well, maybe whispering yourself and filtering. |
| 17:41.50 | airtonix | Lunessa: you can't blame something that doesn't exist. |
| 17:42.10 | Lunessa | Colloquy supports MaC OSX's auto-correct feature for common typos. |
| 17:42.34 | airtonix | you might want to update the dictionary |
| 17:42.40 | Lunessa | And since I MAKE almost all of the common typos I had it on. |
| 17:42.43 | neidz11 | OK. That answers my questions. Thank you for the info. I was looking to make an addon that could basically submit a "form" to a web server. And the addon could also read information from a web server....like an xml feed or something of that sort. |
| 17:43.06 | Lunessa | neidz11: Nope. Never going to happen in real-time. |
| 17:43.08 | airtonix | neidz11: do you hate vi? |
| 17:43.11 | Chamenas | Glad we could help. |
| 17:43.32 | neidz11 | Cool. Thank you. |
| 17:43.37 | neidz11 | airtonix I love VI! |
| 17:43.40 | airtonix | i hate you |
| 17:43.42 | neidz11 | lol |
| 17:43.51 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 17:43.59 | Jamash | vi is for cannabalistic lobsterboys |
| 17:44.07 | Jamash | emacs is for people who hate life |
| 17:44.07 | airtonix | hulk smash |
| 17:44.13 | kaiden | do lobsterboys taste good with butter? |
| 17:44.18 | Jamash | kinky |
| 17:44.25 | Dewin | I use nano. My... shame... knows no bounds. |
| 17:44.27 | neidz11 | vi is so convenient |
| 17:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | ... lobster. |
| 17:44.29 | kaiden | just askin cuz i do lub me some lobster! |
| 17:44.39 | kaiden | nano is the preferred editor Dewin |
| 17:44.42 | kaiden | =) |
| 17:44.48 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/FGbLu.jpg bawwwwwwww |
| 17:44.48 | Dewin | But really I do most of my development in Notepad++ and SCP files over :-p |
| 17:44.51 | Chamenas | Lopeppepp is still here? |
| 17:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I'll give you my Guinness if I can have your lobster! |
| 17:45.05 | Lunessa | Deal. |
| 17:45.13 | Chamenas | Left cat in top picture is so not into it |
| 17:45.19 | neidz11 | I use UEStudio for most development. I like SFTP right there. |
| 17:45.30 | Chamenas | Probably the same in bottom picture, but we can't really tell. |
| 17:46.03 | Chamenas | I have to go kill a dog, brb |
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| 17:46.36 | airtonix | i have to go report an animal cruelty case, brb |
| 17:47.09 | Jamash | I have to go troll an irc channel, brh |
| 17:47.43 | Chamenas | Need my address, airtonix? |
| 17:47.46 | Chamenas | Dog is dead btw |
| 17:47.53 | Chamenas | Or, at least, it's no longer barking its head off. |
| 17:48.56 | kaiden | neidz11, i use notepad++ and then for my file explorer i use Directory Opus which is the KING of explorer replacements |
| 17:48.56 | airtonix | you should move house |
| 17:49.17 | airtonix | kaiden: it would ideal if explorer just supported ssh natively |
| 17:49.26 | airtonix | kaiden: you know... like finder and nautilus do |
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| 17:53.26 | airtonix | neidz11: i tried ultraedit before |
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| 17:53.42 | airtonix | neidz11: pales in comparison to gEdit with all its plugins |
| 17:56.12 | neidz11 | Just to make sure I understand correctly. I can have an addon read info from my webserver? It just won't be real time? Example, I have a website that has an XML feed and I want that feed viewable in my addon? |
| 17:56.32 | Lopeppeppy | Not real time is correct. |
| 17:56.46 | mckenziemc | no, the file has to be on the user's system, in the addon folder |
| 17:56.53 | neidz11 | ahh, gotcha!! |
| 17:56.55 | Dewin | you'd have to have some program that fetches the feed and writes it to the addon's savedvariables before you log in. |
| 17:56.59 | mckenziemc | so you'd need to have the user run an extra program to sync that file with the web server |
| 17:57.07 | neidz11 | yup NOW I understand |
| 17:57.38 | neidz11 | So like wowlogs they have something that grabs a combat log in the directory and uploads it to the website. |
| 17:57.49 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 17:57.50 | Dewin | Combat logs are different and are semi-realtime |
| 17:58.00 | Dewin | but that only gets data out and you can't add custom stuff to it |
| 17:58.13 | Fisker | it's dawwwwwwwwww Kalroth |
| 17:58.17 | neidz11 | Right and still has to use a thirdparty to push the log onto a web server? |
| 17:58.21 | Dewin | yup. |
| 17:58.36 | neidz11 | cool. Thanks guys. Sorry for the n00b flood lol |
| 17:58.45 | airtonix | umad? |
| 17:58.50 | neidz11 | noez, u? |
| 17:59.07 | airtonix | my blood pressure is fine |
| 17:59.30 | mckenziemc | airtonix: are you hypovolemic? |
| 17:59.38 | Ackis | I started packing for blizzcon and my dog is looking at me with sad puppy dog eyes :'( |
| 18:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | Pets know what the suitcase means, Ackis. They're not dumb. |
| 18:03.13 | Ackis | on a side note, I had pulled games out to give to my brother-in-law :( I just put them away :( |
| 18:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs and love* |
| 18:03.41 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 18:04.48 | Ackis | he's still an asshole for drowning |
| 18:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | In some ways, yes he is. *more hugs* |
| 18:06.01 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: how does facebook work? |
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| 18:07.39 | Adys | [Google] Code Search, which was designed to help people search for open source code all over the web, will be shut down along with the Code Search API on January 15, 2012. |
| 18:07.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think it sucks your soul out, sells it to marketers, and then rents it back to you. But I haven't confirmed that theory yet, airtonix |
| 18:07.58 | Adys | Several years ago, we gave people the ability to interact socially on iGoogle. With our new focus on Google+, we will remove iGoogle's social features on January 15, 2012. <- YES |
| 18:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | is having lobster for lunch |
| 18:08.51 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:08.56 | Adys | Fisker: In a few weeks weâll shut down Google Buzz and the Buzz API, and focus instead on Google+. |
| 18:09.02 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:09.03 | Fisker | i heard |
| 18:09.06 | Fisker | i'm glad |
| 18:10.07 | Fisker | i'm sad their search engine can't search source code of a webpage :( |
| 18:10.14 | Fisker | i wanted to abuse it for the lulz |
| 18:12.11 | Seerah | wanna hear something funny? My cell provider, Cellular South, just rebranded itself as CSpire with a brand new, "high tech", "personalized service" website. Alongside the facebook (wow! they made a facebook page and called it part of their new personalized service) and twitter buttons was a button for Buzz. >.< |
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| 18:17.52 | airtonix | Seerah: i would be mad about that |
| 18:18.14 | Lunessa | Heh.. Trip prep includes: Printing hotel and flight info, BlizzCon ticket confirmation, and ⦠loading the iPad with Dr. Who, Podcasts, and a novel. I feel⦠so modern. |
| 18:18.18 | airtonix | so much so that I would write a flaming email and save it in my drafts folder |
| 18:18.55 | Seerah | it actually did immediately lower my opinion of the company :p |
| 18:19.01 | Arrowmaster | im taking a hardback book with me, i feel so oldschool |
| 18:19.14 | Seerah | who wants to shove me in their suitcase? ;) |
| 18:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Who, that's it? |
| 18:19.30 | Lunessa | I would Seerah, but it's cold as checked baggage. |
| 18:19.43 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:19.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I need to get caught up on the 2nd half of season 2. So⦠like 6 episodes. |
| 18:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | Not what I was saying, Lunessa. |
| 18:20.36 | Lunessa | Well⦠I'm not loading porn on it. ;) |
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| 18:21.06 | airtonix | so you say |
| 18:21.44 | Lunessa | Well⦠Ok, the actress who plays Amy Pond is hot⦠but this still isn't porn. |
| 18:22.19 | airtonix | erotica |
| 18:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty pictures! |
| 18:23.07 | airtonix | so how do you feel about dragons in minecraft |
| 18:23.19 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/KfMeq.jpg |
| 18:24.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: not so hey |
| 18:28.02 | Fisker | not so hey Gnarfoz |
| 18:28.41 | neidz11 | OK...what about this? Is it possible to have an iFrame type setup in an addon that reads a website? One other thing, I've seen how HealBot is able to tell you in your chat console that there is a new version available...how is the addon able to check installed versions to online versions? |
| 18:28.43 | mckenziemc | hey not so Fisker Gnarfoz |
| 18:29.01 | Arrowmaster | neidz11: no |
| 18:29.17 | mckenziemc | can't access the internet at all from an addon |
| 18:29.17 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: this was a coded message |
| 18:29.31 | mckenziemc | version check works by asking other players what their version is |
| 18:29.35 | Fisker | i see |
| 18:29.35 | Arrowmaster | neidz11: there is no outside communication, addons that have update info like that are just getting it from other players |
| 18:29.43 | neidz11 | ah lol thanks |
| 18:32.24 | Fisker | oh god Gnarfoz |
| 18:32.27 | Fisker | look what i just got in my mail |
| 18:32.33 | Fisker | EA newsletter |
| 18:32.34 | Gnarfoz | viagra? |
| 18:33.05 | airtonix | haha |
| 18:33.21 | airtonix | Fisker: old |
| 18:34.19 | Fisker | old airtonix |
| 18:34.26 | airtonix | thta |
| 18:34.40 | airtonix | rages |
| 18:39.19 | Ackis | long but bwaaa *sad) http://i.imgur.com/7aSnt.jpg |
| 18:40.48 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkhugyKmDEY |
| 18:44.46 | Fisker | so kd3 |
| 18:44.52 | Fisker | i just messed my pants |
| 18:46.38 | Fisker | what about you kd3 ? |
| 18:47.14 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/pyPDq.png |
| 18:47.16 | Fisker | this is awesome |
| 18:51.42 | Gnarfoz | is there still a way to get the raid lock ID? |
| 18:58.57 | Dagmar | Hmm... It's looking like EA is the psycho in the "why dod mommy and daddy fight" thing going on with them and Steam |
| 18:59.07 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: /raidinfo? |
| 18:59.14 | Fisker | of course Dagmar |
| 18:59.31 | Fisker | how wasn't this already apparent? |
| 18:59.35 | Dagmar | I really hope Steam eventually speaks out about the crap they're spewing |
| 19:00.07 | Dagmar | Fisker: Dunno. I just spent 20 minutes trying to figure out where the hell in Steam the Felicia Day DLC went to |
| 19:00.15 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: no |
| 19:00.19 | Fisker | felicia day dlc? |
| 19:00.21 | Fisker | for what? |
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| 19:00.32 | Dagmar | Dragon Age II, Mark of the Assassin |
| 19:00.42 | Gnarfoz | that just opens the window ;) |
| 19:00.46 | Dagmar | It's just... not in there. |
| 19:00.58 | Dagmar | ...because EA pulled DAII from Steam. |
| 19:01.13 | Fisker | Current owners should still have it |
| 19:01.18 | Dagmar | I do. |
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| 19:01.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.36 | Gnarfoz | !api lock |
| 19:15.36 | lua_bot | Found 52 possible matches for 'lock'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 19:16.32 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 19:16.37 | Fisker | you should oh god with me |
| 19:17.00 | Gnarfoz | I did |
| 19:17.49 | Fisker | oh no you didn't! |
| 19:17.56 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/pyPDq.png <-oh god it |
| 19:25.14 | Stanzilla | hax Fisker |
| 19:25.24 | Fisker | sup Stanzilla |
| 19:26.25 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:26.59 | Stanzilla | hi |
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| 19:42.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/images/f/f2/Ability_deathwing_shrapnel.png |
| 19:42.32 | foxlit | Hm, that's new. |
| 19:43.20 | foxlit | The icon border style, that is |
| 19:43.37 | Kaelten | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UnC87WWaf6c/Tpdw-g8yvRI/AAAAAAACb-4/GcCyn6KVHCQ/s1600/siri_assistant_11.jpg |
| 19:43.43 | Fisker | i disagree foxlit |
| 19:43.59 | Fisker | however old Kaelten :( |
| 19:45.36 | sylvanaar_work | u has 4gs Kaelten? |
| 19:45.58 | Fisker | pls no sylvanaar_work |
| 19:46.12 | Fisker | http://www.hockeydrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/iphone_4s_upgrade.png |
| 19:46.48 | sylvanaar_work | does it talk to you? |
| 19:46.59 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:47.27 | sylvanaar_work | i skipped upgrading and got a macbook air instead |
| 19:47.59 | Fisker | skipped both and paid my dentists bill |
| 19:48.37 | sylvanaar_work | you have to pay for the dentist where you live? (Denmark?) |
| 19:54.55 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_work not yet, it's on the way |
| 19:55.00 | Kaelten | should be here any time |
| 19:55.01 | Kaelten | fucking ups |
| 19:55.02 | Kaelten | :( |
| 19:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | Out for delivery, dear. |
| 19:55.24 | Kaelten | sylvanaar love my macbook air |
| 19:55.42 | sylvanaar_work | i know right, i love it. and i am not a laptop guy at all |
| 19:58.44 | sylvanaar_work | tgif guys - see ya |
| 19:59.25 | Fisker | pls Kaelten :( |
| 19:59.29 | Fisker | get yourself some nexus prime |
| 19:59.35 | Fisker | or galaxy nexus as they call it now |
| 19:59.49 | Kaelten | Fisker I'm good, my iphones work well enough for me :) |
| 20:03.48 | airtonix | waves hand |
| 20:03.52 | airtonix | no they don't |
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| 20:19.07 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I have zero actual need for a macbook air⦠and yet I covet it with almost one-ring like intensity. |
| 20:19.32 | foxlit | is the giant right margin on wowi forums new? |
| 20:19.32 | Kaelten | Lunessa hehe |
| 20:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | They're preeeeeety, Lunessa. |
| 20:19.51 | Lunessa | my presciousssssss. |
| 20:19.53 | Kaelten | It's the best laptop I've owned |
| 20:20.36 | foxlit | wtb 15 inch version? |
| 20:21.11 | airtonix | hey i notice you can resize windows from any edge now in macosx |
| 20:21.52 | Lunessa | About time that was added. |
| 20:21.56 | airtonix | previously i was told by foaming raving luntatic macosx zealots that i was stupid for wanting the x11 alt grab window resizing and that only superior beings need to use the bottom right corner to resize a window |
| 20:22.09 | airtonix | seems that the bible has changed |
| 20:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | See some peoples on Monday! |
| 20:23.14 | Lunessa | I'm about good UI design. That "resize handle" wasn't good design. |
| 20:23.17 | Lunessa | By peppy! |
| 20:23.45 | airtonix | Lunessa: people who c all themselves UI experts simply because they use a mac would disagree with you |
| 20:24.08 | Lunessa | airtonix: They didn't bother reading "Human Interface Guidelines" then. |
| 20:24.09 | airtonix | Lunessa: anything created by apple must be good ui design |
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| 20:24.23 | airtonix | RIGHT? |
| 20:24.26 | Lunessa | Which, by the way, was published by Apple. |
| 20:24.35 | airtonix | ironic? |
| 20:24.41 | Lunessa | Much. |
| 20:25.04 | airtonix | so maybe they will get a clue and include alt grab resize next |
| 20:25.18 | airtonix | because my co worker saw me using it on linux |
| 20:25.21 | airtonix | and he thought |
| 20:25.55 | airtonix | Oh hey Apple is so awesome there is no way that they wouldn't have this awesome feature before some peasent thing like linux |
| 20:26.05 | airtonix | so he tried it |
| 20:26.07 | airtonix | and nothing |
| 20:26.13 | airtonix | he was disapoint |
| 20:26.14 | Lunessa | Maybe. I don't use X (since I don't use Linux or other non-Mac OS flavor of Unix) often enough to make use of it. But it might be handy. |
| 20:27.21 | airtonix | i also sold my magic mouse |
| 20:27.41 | Thunder_Child | it's a good idea, but it has poor feet |
| 20:27.44 | Lunessa | I use a trackball. other sorts of mice are usless to me. |
| 20:27.45 | airtonix | no |
| 20:27.45 | Thunder_Child | i almost never use mine |
| 20:27.51 | airtonix | the feet were great |
| 20:27.55 | Thunder_Child | no |
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| 20:28.00 | airtonix | lack of real buttons pissed me off |
| 20:28.04 | Thunder_Child | they were rough on everything |
| 20:28.12 | airtonix | maybe yours was shit |
| 20:28.18 | Thunder_Child | if it works i dont care that it doesnt 'click' |
| 20:28.48 | airtonix | well i was actually referring to not being able to rest my left finger on the mouse while clicking with my right finger |
| 20:29.07 | Thunder_Child | huh? i have both fingers on when i click |
| 20:29.15 | airtonix | for right click ? |
| 20:29.18 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:29.20 | airtonix | you can not |
| 20:29.25 | airtonix | it only left clicks |
| 20:29.32 | Thunder_Child | uh...no |
| 20:29.36 | airtonix | um yes? |
| 20:30.14 | airtonix | to right click you have to lift your left finger and only touch the mouse on the right |
| 20:30.25 | airtonix | other wise it registers as a left click |
| 20:30.42 | airtonix | i tried this on several mice and machines and operating systems |
| 20:31.38 | Fisker | damnit Gnarfoz |
| 20:31.46 | Fisker | i saw create thread not being greyed out |
| 20:31.50 | Fisker | almost messed my pants |
| 20:31.55 | Fisker | then saw i wasn't logged in |
| 20:32.26 | Gnarfoz | umad? |
| 20:32.29 | Gnarfoz | uban'd? |
| 20:32.35 | Gnarfoz | and y u no realid |
| 20:32.36 | Fisker | bah |
| 20:32.38 | Fisker | nah |
| 20:32.41 | Fisker | i real id |
| 20:32.44 | Fisker | y u no real id? |
| 20:32.50 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla wants to have dirty instance threesomes |
| 20:32.56 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 20:33.00 | Fisker | anyway |
| 20:33.04 | Fisker | when you beta access |
| 20:33.09 | Fisker | you get posting privileges on the us forums |
| 20:33.21 | Stanzilla | go Fisker |
| 20:34.52 | foxlit | So, archaeology triangulation addons |
| 20:35.07 | Fisker | useless |
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| 20:35.31 | Fisker | apparently there's a 180 degree cone on the archaeology shit anyway |
| 20:36.14 | foxlit | Distances are probably accurate to some degree. |
| 20:36.19 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:36.30 | Gnarfoz | works fine for me, mostly |
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| 20:39.28 | Fisker | so cogwheel |
| 20:39.34 | Fisker | looking forward to 64-bit wow client? |
| 20:39.51 | Arrowmaster | laughing pretty good at this, just wish i had a link to something other than facebook for it https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=144422455647634 |
| 20:41.27 | Fisker | pls cogwheel |
| 20:41.29 | Fisker | enjoy with me |
| 20:43.38 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: don't get it. |
| 20:44.24 | Arrowmaster | you watched all of it? |
| 20:44.42 | foxlit | I ignored the start, which was probably fatal |
| 20:50.33 | airtonix | umad Fisker |
| 20:52.28 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRMvg5TAl8 |
| 20:53.03 | Arrowmaster | thanks |
| 20:54.47 | Thunder_Child | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/311855_10150415904801273_695781272_10260386_1448029423_n.jpg |
| 20:55.15 | Ackis | I have successfully washed my keyboard and put it back together /danceofjoy |
| 20:56.23 | Fisker | umad airtonix ? |
| 20:56.28 | Torhal|work | dips Ackis in a vat of honey. |
| 20:56.38 | Torhal|work | carries Ackis to a fire ant mound. |
| 20:56.42 | Torhal|work | drops Ackis. |
| 20:56.47 | karl_w_w | Fisker who invented bread? |
| 20:56.53 | Fisker | i did |
| 20:57.09 | Fisker | i get it Thunder_Child |
| 20:57.11 | karl_w_w | nice |
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| 20:58.40 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: that sounded very boring Ackis |
| 20:58.54 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 20:58.55 | Thunder_Child | it was so boring i had to say your name twice >.< |
| 20:59.06 | Thunder_Child | Fisker! |
| 20:59.16 | Fisker | The redundant bureau of redundancy called |
| 21:05.17 | Fisker | so real id me Stanzilla |
| 21:07.14 | Stanzilla | giev email |
| 21:07.53 | Fisker | it starts with t |
| 21:07.55 | Fisker | ends with k |
| 21:10.21 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: we have a problim |
| 21:10.32 | Fisker | you're alliance lulz |
| 21:10.42 | Stanzilla | yes that's it :D |
| 21:10.46 | Torhal|work | waves a tactical nuclear missile at Stanzilla. |
| 21:10.49 | Torhal|work | No more problem! |
| 21:10.49 | Fisker | biggest joke if i've ever seen one |
| 21:10.55 | Gnarfoz | haha he fails |
| 21:11.18 | Stanzilla | Fisker: 2:1, you have to faction change, sry bro |
| 21:12.00 | Fisker | i despise alliance :( |
| 21:12.12 | Fisker | items look good on them though |
| 21:12.18 | Stanzilla | I have 2 undergeared horde chars though |
| 21:12.22 | Fisker | maybe i should change back to blood elf |
| 21:12.56 | Stanzilla | no more RetBull? |
| 21:13.18 | Fisker | T12 is a joke on tauren :( |
| 21:13.36 | bleeter | u r a joek, Fisker |
| 21:13.40 | Fisker | umad bleeter ? |
| 21:13.46 | bleeter | very |
| 21:13.47 | Torhal|work | JERSK! |
| 21:14.32 | Fisker | you should be happy bleeter |
| 21:14.38 | Fisker | 64-bit client on the way |
| 21:14.53 | bleeter | crazy mad, not angry mad |
| 21:15.23 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:15.43 | Stanzilla | wonder what will be different in their 64bit client |
| 21:16.20 | Fisker | hopefully no out of memory errors |
| 21:21.03 | Fisker | give me that damn trinket foxlit |
| 21:21.47 | Stanzilla | which one |
| 21:21.50 | bleeter | kill me now, I just spent 3 minutes in #pidgin |
| 21:21.58 | Fisker | archaeology one |
| 21:22.01 | Fisker | or the shield from fossil |
| 21:22.02 | Fisker | pls |
| 21:26.19 | karl_w_w | its not worth it fisker |
| 21:27.00 | Fisker | says who karl_w_w + |
| 21:27.01 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:27.04 | karl_w_w | me |
| 21:27.23 | Stanzilla | PTR Raid Testing Schedule - Oct 14 |
| 21:27.25 | Stanzilla | noo blizz |
| 21:27.27 | Stanzilla | nooo |
| 21:27.32 | karl_w_w | i know somebody who did over 400 night elf solves before they got that trinket |
| 21:27.40 | karl_w_w | just get other shit |
| 21:27.57 | Fisker | the other shit isn't that trinket karl_w_w |
| 21:28.14 | karl_w_w | shit comes and goes |
| 21:28.31 | karl_w_w | hundred of solves scars you for life |
| 21:28.36 | Fisker | maybe |
| 21:28.40 | Fisker | but i need it |
| 21:28.49 | Fisker | also already got 250 solves |
| 21:28.57 | karl_w_w | get justice trinket and dmc |
| 21:29.09 | Fisker | those are useless |
| 21:29.13 | karl_w_w | or kill chogall and get his boss trinket |
| 21:29.26 | Fisker | can't use either of them |
| 21:29.58 | karl_w_w | pfft |
| 21:32.04 | Fisker | i don't get it |
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| 22:04.34 | Lunessa | Ciao tuttil. See those of you going to BlizzCon at BlizzCon, see the rest of you in a couple of weeks. |
| 22:05.54 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:06.01 | Fisker | lets pick on cogwheel |
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| 23:25.55 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 23:26.20 | foxlit | £10 gift cards are 311 points, £20 623 points, and £50 1558 |
| 23:26.53 | foxlit | That's like an anti-discount. |
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| 23:33.13 | Fisker | umad? |
| 23:35.34 | Cide | lua> 311/10, 623/20, 1558/50 |
| 23:35.34 | lua_bot | Cide: 31.1, 31.15, 31.16 |
| 23:35.38 | Cide | lol |
| 23:35.43 | Cide | great discount |
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| 23:49.50 | foxlit | So I was contemplating buying Anathem, but then the look-inside came up to a dictionary I remembered that xkcd comic about made-up words and quality of fiction. |
| 23:50.02 | Iriel | foxlit: I really liked it |
| 23:50.24 | Iriel | foxlit: and they do serve a point |
| 23:51.01 | foxlit | eep, the alt text for that comic actualy mentions Anathem by name |
| 23:51.15 | Iriel | It was written in response to Anathem |
| 23:51.34 | foxlit | And judging by the first few pages, I'd agree -- it seems like a wreck to read. |
| 23:51.43 | Iriel | Like I said, I really liked it. |
| 23:51.51 | Iriel | It's strange at first, but that's I think the idea |
| 23:51.57 | Iriel | it's supposed to be familiar, but not. |
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