| 00:05.43 | Jamash | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTg00wIijNY |
| 00:12.04 | Shirik | http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/399182/october-06-2011/tribute-to-steve-jobs?xrs=synd_facebook |
| 00:12.12 | Shirik | probably the best thing I've ever seen him do |
| 00:16.49 | Jamash | always one to turn any event into a celebration of himself |
| 00:17.52 | Jamash | what's an easy peasy client-side http caching proxy |
| 00:19.14 | Jamash | I've looked but most caching proxies seem server-side |
| 00:41.51 | airtonix | hey |
| 00:42.32 | airtonix | Jamash: for windows i assume? (you treasonous bastard) |
| 00:42.54 | Jamash | windows or linux, I has both |
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| 00:43.15 | airtonix | isn't privoxy a client side cacher? |
| 00:43.19 | Jamash | IDK |
| 00:43.23 | airtonix | i think it is |
| 00:43.50 | airtonix | it's also a scruber when you configure it |
| 00:44.19 | Jamash | "Privoxy is a non-caching web proxy" |
| 00:44.48 | airtonix | back in the day when i was a wee squid, and a treasonous bastard myself, there was this site that made damn small .exe utilities |
| 00:45.04 | airtonix | something something something darkside |
| 00:45.17 | airtonix | babylon |
| 00:45.44 | airtonix | http://www.analogx.com/ |
| 00:46.10 | airtonix | http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network.htm |
| 00:46.42 | Jamash | that has a dns proxy... |
| 00:47.15 | Jamash | see, this isn't as easy as it might seem |
| 00:47.25 | airtonix | umad? |
| 00:47.53 | airtonix | if you have a spare machine, just install the Zentyal Ubuntu Server iso on it |
| 00:48.07 | airtonix | it has a 2 click install for dansguardian |
| 00:48.45 | Dagmar | Squid is actually a lot easier than one might at first expect |
| 00:48.53 | airtonix | no |
| 00:48.57 | airtonix | just ... no |
| 00:49.03 | Dagmar | Yes yes. |
| 00:49.04 | Jamash | I read the squid docs and then stopped |
| 00:49.09 | Dagmar | Oh screw those |
| 00:49.14 | airtonix | Dagmar: editing text files is the easy part |
| 00:49.23 | airtonix | la la la la la lolololol |
| 00:49.36 | Jamash | well what am I supposed to read |
| 00:49.37 | Dagmar | There's howtos that tell you the like three or four things you need to do, and half of it is just prodding iptables to redirect traffic through squid so you don't have to configure anytyhing |
| 00:49.47 | airtonix | lol iptables |
| 00:50.07 | Dagmar | The worst part is admitting to yourself that while you have a 100Gb disk you only have enough RAM to safely cache about 2Gb of stuff |
| 00:50.13 | Dagmar | well maybe 20bgb |
| 00:50.21 | Jamash | I don't need iptables, I only want one client to go through the proxy |
| 00:50.29 | airtonix | lawl |
| 00:51.41 | Dagmar | This is a little dated but it doesn't devolve into all the weird edge-cases like a lot of the other docs do http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html |
| 00:52.35 | Jamash | I don't need a transparent proxy, the client software supports proxies |
| 00:52.43 | Dagmar | Note that section 4 lists the four things you need to look for. Practically everything else in squid.conf can be ignores |
| 00:52.49 | Dagmar | er ignored |
| 00:54.00 | Dagmar | FuzzyHarpyBug: In re to the case... if you are a girl or flamingly homosexual, sure |
| 00:54.19 | Arrowmaster | wrong channel |
| 00:54.52 | Dagmar | Bleh. Someone was asking if they shoudl paint their incoming full tower hot pink |
| 00:59.43 | airtonix | incoming full tower? |
| 01:01.27 | Dagmar | As in coming in the mail |
| 01:02.06 | airtonix | wouldn't that make it unreadable? |
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| 01:58.14 | Jamash | well I got the browser to connect to squid and show an access denied error |
| 01:58.17 | Jamash | I guess that's progress |
| 01:58.58 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:01.07 | bluspacecow | @jamash did it ask you "umad?" ? |
| 02:01.27 | Jamash | nope |
| 02:10.35 | Jamash | hm, 25g to deposit and free withdrawals |
| 02:10.48 | Jamash | lua>25*80 |
| 02:10.48 | lua_bot | Jamash: 2000 |
| 02:10.55 | Jamash | that's pretty reasonable |
| 02:11.16 | Jamash | I still want to be able to use stuff in VS for transmogrification |
| 02:11.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont know what that is but it seems backwards |
| 02:11.57 | Jamash | hm? |
| 02:13.02 | Thunder_Child | what are you refering to with the deposit's? |
| 02:13.08 | Jamash | void storage |
| 02:13.42 | Thunder_Child | ah, in that case, it makes perfect sense |
| 02:13.48 | Jamash | Unlock was announced at 1000g, now 100g, deposit was 100g, now 25g, withdraw was 100g, now 0g |
| 02:14.10 | Thunder_Child | public outcry of 'QQ'? |
| 02:14.57 | Jamash | lua>print("Old fees for depositing and withdrawing a full bank = "..(1000+80*100*2).."g") |
| 02:14.58 | lua_bot | Jamash: Old fees for depositing and withdrawing a full bank = 17000g |
| 02:15.16 | Jamash | lua>print("New fees for depositing and withdrawing a full bank = "..(100+80*25).."g") |
| 02:15.17 | lua_bot | Jamash: New fees for depositing and withdrawing a full bank = 2100g |
| 02:16.11 | Jamash | so it's gone from ridiculous to merely annoying (at max level) |
| 02:17.19 | mckenziemc | some would say wanting a full 80 slots at or around release is ridiculous |
| 02:18.27 | mckenziemc | i say 'at or around' because if someone spread out purchasing those slots, the cost wouldn't be as much of a shock |
| 02:19.00 | mckenziemc | purchasing -> filling |
| 02:25.42 | Jamash | I've got a lot of old gear |
| 02:25.54 | Jamash | I've got a *lot* of old gear |
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| 02:26.51 | mckenziemc | it doesn't *have* to go into void storage though |
| 02:27.05 | mckenziemc | do you have an immediate need for 80 free slots? |
| 02:27.07 | Jamash | yes but I'd kind of like to use my bank |
| 02:27.19 | Jamash | depends on what you mean by "need" |
| 02:27.42 | Jamash | if I had 80 free slots I would move a bunch of stuff back from alts to my main, which would be more convenient |
| 02:28.05 | Jamash | I'm logging in to check how much soulbound gear is in my bank |
| 02:32.28 | Jamash | 86 items |
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| 02:40.31 | pnorman | I think I have that much stuff too |
| 02:49.24 | Jamash | dear god MMO-champion needs a clicky expand spoiler tag |
| 02:49.45 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 02:49.49 | Jamash | 12 screens worth on the front page -_- |
| 02:50.14 | kullervo | you've got an awfully small screen |
| 02:50.47 | nebula169 | not really, there are a shit tonne of dialog strings shown |
| 02:53.04 | Bibi | they're mostly both fights, nothing about Thrall's death |
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| 03:19.08 | Jamash | I'm not complaining about the spoilars per se just the fact that it's a ton of scrolling. It should probably be on a subpage, not the front in any case |
| 03:19.41 | bluworkcow | ? |
| 03:19.45 | bluworkcow | umad jamah ? |
| 03:21.05 | Jamash | I like mittens |
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| 03:27.19 | bluworkcow | @Cairenn http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3VLcLH97eRw |
| 03:27.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.23 | ccox | cute |
| 03:45.23 | Sintacks | http://www.speedtest.net/result/639362570.png |
| 03:46.01 | Trela | That is a bit bad. |
| 03:46.31 | kd3 | how the--? |
| 03:46.44 | Sintacks | lol |
| 03:46.46 | airtonix | umad? |
| 03:46.58 | Sintacks | it's a server from softlayer to a test server run by softlayer. |
| 03:47.07 | Sintacks | it's funny though... 600mb/s down... but only 1mb/s up |
| 03:47.15 | airtonix | why is that funny |
| 03:48.39 | Dagmar | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1522940777.png <-- this would be why I don't much care for Comcast's bullshit |
| 03:48.48 | kd3 | ooh, finally. first ep of shana s3 has aired |
| 03:48.54 | kd3 | hopes jc staff does a decent job this time |
| 03:49.15 | Dagmar | A giant grain farm isn't going to come close to the number of orbs that cause a problem |
| 03:49.21 | Dagmar | dratted keyboard |
| 03:49.51 | Sintacks | Dagmar, I would love your upload: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1522932171.png |
| 03:50.14 | Dagmar | No you probably wouldn't actually. |
| 03:50.22 | Dagmar | It's only that for a short period of time per connection. |
| 03:50.27 | Sintacks | lol |
| 03:50.37 | Sintacks | that is the issue with speedtests :| |
| 03:50.40 | Sintacks | they go in bursts |
| 03:50.50 | Sintacks | even more so for upload testing |
| 03:50.58 | Dagmar | It's only like a tenth of that after a bit |
| 03:51.03 | Dagmar | I've done enough ssh transfers to know |
| 03:51.07 | kullervo | that's because your ISPs are cheating |
| 03:51.12 | Sintacks | mine's a pretty steady ~2mb/s up |
| 03:51.25 | Dagmar | THere's a lot of crap they think they're getting away with |
| 03:51.39 | kd3 | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1522944070.png |
| 03:51.41 | kd3 | cries |
| 03:52.07 | Sintacks | earthlink has dsl? |
| 03:52.08 | kullervo | stops his torrents |
| 03:52.11 | Sintacks | i thought that was dialup |
| 03:52.19 | kd3 | earthlink has dsl too |
| 03:52.25 | Sintacks | lol dsl |
| 03:52.26 | Dagmar | The download drops off pretty quickly as well unless you're pulling through Steam or torrenting |
| 03:52.29 | kd3 | lives too far from the road to get cable |
| 03:52.41 | Sintacks | but you can get dsl? |
| 03:52.42 | Sintacks | that's odd |
| 03:52.47 | kd3 | barely |
| 03:52.52 | kullervo | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1522945274.png |
| 03:52.54 | airtonix | why is it odd |
| 03:52.55 | Sintacks | I live right at the edge of dsl.. i can't get it, but i have cable |
| 03:53.05 | kullervo | the upload does sort of suck |
| 03:53.09 | kd3 | I was paying for a higher tier when I first moved out here but wasn't getting it, dropped to this tier and it's close enough |
| 03:53.12 | Sintacks | the hell do you live, kullervo |
| 03:53.23 | kullervo | Sintacks: Helsinki, Finland |
| 03:53.38 | Sintacks | I couldn't thin kwhere helsinki was <.< |
| 03:53.39 | Sintacks | lol |
| 03:53.44 | Sintacks | and your ISP's name is weird |
| 03:55.07 | airtonix | dertekkubjerbs |
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| 04:04.32 | Shirik | btw |
| 04:04.34 | Shirik | I feel dirty |
| 04:04.42 | Cide | good |
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| 04:05.39 | Sintacks | bluspacecow, what did you do to become a forum MVP |
| 04:05.56 | Thunder_Child | he used kneepads |
| 04:06.04 | Sintacks | lols |
| 04:06.33 | bluspacecow | ^^ |
| 04:06.34 | bluspacecow | naw |
| 04:06.47 | bluspacecow | pretty much made a ton of useful posts for several years |
| 04:06.55 | bluspacecow | started back in 2007/2006 |
| 04:06.55 | Sintacks | too much work |
| 04:07.01 | Dagmar | I suspect it's got a lot to do with her steadfast belief that most of those people don't actually need killing. |
| 04:07.19 | bluspacecow | i was made MVP at BC 2010 ... they told me then i had over 9000 posts made |
| 04:07.27 | bluspacecow | @Dagmar I r female nows ? |
| 04:07.33 | Thunder_Child | no one is that dense Dagmar |
| 04:07.40 | Dagmar | I thought you were. I suppose I could be wrong but it's not like I much care either. |
| 04:07.40 | bluspacecow | *puts french maid uniform on* |
| 04:07.51 | Arrowmaster | kill it with fire |
| 04:07.54 | Thunder_Child | did that go with the kneepads bluspacecow? |
| 04:07.59 | Dagmar | Half this channel has gender issues, and it's not like any of it matters |
| 04:08.02 | Jamash | the beard is a giveaway |
| 04:08.41 | Dagmar | Hell, at least twice a year I wind up having to tell people "Generally, my large penis gives it away" |
| 04:08.43 | Thunder_Child | no one has gender issues here...at least not publicly |
| 04:08.44 | bluspacecow | lolz TC |
| 04:09.23 | Dagmar | I remember seeing a BC pic where a lot of people's names were tagged on and thinking "Ah so that's why I can't keep track of shit in there" |
| 04:09.54 | Arrowmaster | we need to do another one of those this year, we didnt last year |
| 04:10.28 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:11.04 | Thunder_Child | what happened to all the pictures at noranna? |
| 04:11.08 | Thunder_Child | norganna* |
| 04:11.13 | Thunder_Child | or can i just not type a url |
| 04:11.16 | Sintacks | how much does it cost to run wowinterface, riftinterfact, and vanguardinterface... |
| 04:11.27 | Sintacks | er. riftinterface... |
| 04:11.40 | Dagmar | While it's true that on the internet knows if you're a dog, it's handy to know someone's not being racist when they say "goddamn cats" |
| 04:11.49 | Sintacks | riftUI.. whatever. |
| 04:12.15 | Cairenn | Sintacks: meh |
| 04:12.21 | Sintacks | VQinterface.. meh.. and there are more. holy shit |
| 04:12.26 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 04:12.42 | Sintacks | i couldn't get anything for vangard to work ... |
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| 04:12.56 | Cairenn | EQ, EQ2, VG, LotRO, War, WoW, DDO, Rift ... |
| 04:13.15 | airtonix | all the games! |
| 04:13.36 | Cairenn | Not quite all of them, but certainly a lot |
| 04:13.36 | Sintacks | wow addons are so much easier to install then vangard |
| 04:13.45 | Cairenn | Most of the MMORPGs that have addons |
| 04:13.51 | Dagmar | Pfft. All the ones that matter. |
| 04:14.06 | airtonix | even minecraft |
| 04:14.08 | Cairenn | TOR next, most likely |
| 04:14.17 | Cairenn | Nope, don't have a site for minecraft |
| 04:14.22 | airtonix | :< |
| 04:14.28 | Dagmar | Curse does. |
| 04:14.31 | Sintacks | don't get one. let minecraft die |
| 04:14.34 | Dagmar | ...sooo that base is covered. |
| 04:14.35 | airtonix | fuck curse |
| 04:14.44 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower|Work: what happened to the blizzcon pics? |
| 04:14.58 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 04:15.04 | bluspacecow | there were blizzcon pix ? |
| 04:15.07 | bluspacecow | *hides* |
| 04:15.29 | Thunder_Child | yes, but now i can not find them |
| 04:15.37 | kd3 | blizzcon picks rock. it's always amusing getting cairenn in front of a camera |
| 04:15.42 | kd3 | s/picks/pics/ |
| 04:15.44 | Thunder_Child | or trying to |
| 04:15.50 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:15.56 | Sintacks | I want to go to blizzcon :( |
| 04:18.28 | Cairenn | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php is the link, but it (along with many of the other things on the norgs site) seems to be dead :( |
| 04:19.44 | Thunder_Child | well, this is what Dagmar was talking about http://thunder-child.net/images/Misc/Blizzcon2008UIGroupLabeled.jpg |
| 04:20.16 | kullervo | they're all blueshielding! |
| 04:20.26 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:20.29 | kullervo | I'd *insist* my name to be in green |
| 04:20.58 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 04:21.09 | bluspacecow | pretty sure Cog had a beard/goatee at BC 2010 |
| 04:21.28 | Arrowmaster | didnt like half of us? |
| 04:21.43 | bluspacecow | not sure can't remember that well |
| 04:21.44 | Cairenn | Beard |
| 04:21.54 | kd3 | looks at his reflection on his monitor |
| 04:22.03 | kd3 | same goatee (maybe a little thicker) |
| 04:22.06 | Cairenn | Full on, omg, I didn't freaking recognize him, wild hill man, beard |
| 04:22.07 | Sintacks | I see a bunch of geeks in that picture, Thunder_Child |
| 04:22.08 | Arrowmaster | considers shaving his neckbeard off |
| 04:22.08 | bluspacecow | O_O You had beards too Cairenn ? |
| 04:22.15 | kd3 | haha |
| 04:22.16 | Cairenn | cogwheel: |
| 04:22.19 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:22.28 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: Yes, yes you do |
| 04:22.33 | Sintacks | :D |
| 04:22.43 | Cairenn | you were talking about cogwheel, that's who I was answering about |
| 04:22.57 | Sintacks | Cairenn is cute ... |
| 04:22.58 | bluspacecow | imma kidding :P |
| 04:23.04 | Sintacks | goes all stalker mode |
| 04:23.31 | kd3 | holy hell, notch is finally putting dragons in minecraft? |
| 04:23.33 | Sintacks | tekkub looks like someone i know irl |
| 04:23.46 | Thunder_Child | kd3: he is trying to one up skyrim? |
| 04:23.54 | kd3 | http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/122249624407916544 |
| 04:24.50 | pompy1 | kd3: yeah http://www.gamerant.com/minecraft-dragons-screenshots-robk-108297/ |
| 04:25.35 | bluspacecow | is that getting in 1.9 or a later release? |
| 04:25.50 | kd3 | presumably later since 1.9pre3's already out |
| 04:26.17 | Dagmar | Yeah he didn't start talking about dragons until after they did the pre3 release |
| 04:27.06 | Dagmar | The people asking if they can ride the dragons haven't really been paying attention to the way NOtch makes mobs, I suspect |
| 04:27.30 | bluspacecow | 1.9's feature list should be frozen atm .. Real Programmers Ship and all that |
| 04:27.47 | bluspacecow | wait there's a pre3 for 1.9 ? |
| 04:27.48 | Dagmar | Dragons will probably have a rare chance of spawning with an Enderman that shoots creepers at people |
| 04:28.02 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:28.06 | Sintacks | oh god. flying creepers. |
| 04:28.12 | kd3 | blu; http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/121950027227734016 |
| 04:28.14 | Arrowmaster | i want to see that |
| 04:29.11 | Sintacks | So what does it take to be part of that Blizzcon picture? |
| 04:29.22 | kd3 | show up at blizzcon? |
| 04:29.26 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 04:29.36 | kd3 | we took that picture after the UI panel if memory serves |
| 04:29.47 | Sintacks | so you don't have to be an author? |
| 04:29.52 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 04:29.52 | Cairenn | part of the reason the pic never happened last year was the lack of UI panel, yeah |
| 04:30.00 | bluspacecow | Sixen isn't |
| 04:30.01 | kd3 | has written zero wow addons |
| 04:30.09 | Thunder_Child | should do it just before the dinner Cairenn |
| 04:30.10 | Cairenn | the other part being that I disappeared 1/4 the way through the dinner |
| 04:30.14 | Sintacks | lol so i can be part of it next year when I can actually go. lol |
| 04:30.29 | Sintacks | why did i say lol twice |
| 04:30.35 | Sintacks | i should go to sleeep |
| 04:30.36 | Cairenn | because the other years when there was no UI panel, we did it just after we got back from the dinner |
| 04:31.03 | Sixen | i'm not wu |
| 04:31.07 | Cairenn | but I had to leave part way through, and somehow it just never happened last year |
| 04:31.21 | Sixen | oh, i'm not an author. yeah... :( |
| 04:31.22 | Thunder_Child | but there wasnt one for 2K10, and 2K9 was after the concert iirc |
| 04:31.33 | Thunder_Child | checks his pictures |
| 04:31.47 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: as I just said |
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| 04:32.14 | Sintacks | I need to comeup with money for a virtual ticket ... |
| 04:32.17 | Cairenn | (last year was such a bad year for me, it screwed everything up that we usually do) |
| 04:32.22 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: but when did you do it after dinner? |
| 04:32.35 | Cairenn | wasn't 9 after dinner? |
| 04:32.38 | Sintacks | anyone want to buy a WoW+BC license key ... |
| 04:32.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 04:33.05 | Thunder_Child | i think by then we did the dinner on thursday |
| 04:33.20 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:33.47 | Cairenn | 9 and 10 we did both at Bubba Gump's (sorry, making it 3 years in a row :p ) and did it on the Thursday |
| 04:34.06 | Cairenn | maybe the 9 was after the concert |
| 04:34.09 | Cairenn | that could be |
| 04:34.13 | kd3 | bubba gump's++ |
| 04:34.22 | Thunder_Child | or maybe i was at the 07 and 08 |
| 04:34.29 | bluspacecow | you guys must really like bubba gumps |
| 04:34.33 | Thunder_Child | instead of 08 and 09 |
| 04:34.40 | Cairenn | I had people grumping at me about using Bubba Gump's for a 3rd year in a row |
| 04:34.50 | Cairenn | So I was sort of looking for somewhere else this year |
| 04:35.18 | Cairenn | But hell, they have treated us so well, the location is great for walking distance, the venue is perfect with that back area |
| 04:35.49 | Cairenn | and I like the food well enough /shrug |
| 04:36.02 | Sintacks | sounds like good enough reasons ... |
| 04:36.13 | Sintacks | have you tried taking a poll on the location? |
| 04:36.28 | Cairenn | If people are really sick of it though, I can more seriously look for somewhere else for next year, just need to know sooner, so I can have more time |
| 04:36.28 | Sintacks | and only people who are actually going can vote on it |
| 04:36.33 | Thunder_Child | oh, ok, i was there '08, '07 and... '10 i think, when did they release cata? |
| 04:36.42 | Jamash | I wish I could actually get a ticket to blizzcon |
| 04:36.46 | Arrowmaster | theres a place i want to go but its too far to walk |
| 04:36.47 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 04:36.56 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: where? |
| 04:36.59 | Jamash | I'd love to meet all yall guise |
| 04:37.02 | TMc51 | so, I'm planning a blizzcon trip for next year, definitely. assuming $500-600ish for flights, what should I expect for hotels/food and spending money? |
| 04:37.15 | Sintacks | $9001 |
| 04:37.18 | Jamash | plan about $500/ticket for ebay |
| 04:37.18 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: the catch, they have the giant hamburger |
| 04:37.22 | Thunder_Child | TMc51: 1 Billion dollars |
| 04:37.22 | Cairenn | ah |
| 04:37.25 | BlackNet | ok |
| 04:37.37 | BlackNet | wtf is the deal with the raid frame markers bugging out all the time. |
| 04:37.39 | Cairenn | TMc51: where are you located again? |
| 04:37.40 | kd3 | It's on average around $1100-1200 for me all things considered, flying from atlanta |
| 04:37.50 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:37.57 | TMc51 | Thunder_Child: I read that in Doctor Evil's voice :s |
| 04:38.01 | Cairenn | I was going to say 1 - 1.5k |
| 04:38.16 | Sintacks | they're a protection function and something taints it |
| 04:38.18 | Cairenn | with flights & hotel & food, etc |
| 04:38.20 | Thunder_Child | TMc51: I typed it in his voice |
| 04:38.33 | Arrowmaster | around $1000 ish for me, probably cheaper considering im sharing the room cost which is the most expensive |
| 04:38.36 | Cairenn | if you book flights & stuff early enough, you can get better prices |
| 04:38.40 | Jamash | I typed this on his keyboard |
| 04:38.48 | Cairenn | and sharing room cost is great if you can |
| 04:38.51 | Arrowmaster | i got my fights for $300 total |
| 04:38.59 | Jamash | problem is booking flights when you don't know if you're going to get a ticket :-/ |
| 04:39.05 | Cairenn | (being female, well, my options for roommates is limited :p ) |
| 04:39.15 | Jamash | bow chicka wow wow |
| 04:39.33 | Cairenn | unless I want to start the rumour mill going, yes |
| 04:39.41 | TMc51 | so basically, $2,000 should cover it and still provide me with enough spending money to grab some stuff. Might have to hock a few pieces of recording equipment, or old photography stuff, but I should have enough then. =D |
| 04:39.46 | Cairenn | TMc51: yeah |
| 04:39.58 | Sintacks | How did everyone in here get their Blizzcon ticket? Were you one of the people who got it when they soldout instantly, or eBay |
| 04:40.05 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: well theres always tekkub or clad but are they even going this year? |
| 04:40.14 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: Clad is |
| 04:40.17 | Jamash | starts the rumour mill going |
| 04:40.29 | Cairenn | TMc51: presuming you are in the US or Canada, 2k should more than cover you |
| 04:40.38 | airtonix | burns Jamash |
| 04:40.40 | TMc51 | NY |
| 04:40.43 | Cairenn | coming over from Europe or Asia, well ... |
| 04:40.54 | Cairenn | TMc51: City? |
| 04:40.59 | TMc51 | Nah |
| 04:41.00 | Jamash | is impervious to airtonix |
| 04:41.04 | Arrowmaster | xin spent over $1500 on his flight alone last year |
| 04:41.14 | Cairenn | Was going to say, next time I am down, we should meet up, but |
| 04:41.17 | TMc51 | toss a dart at the center of the state, and that's the general location of Syracuse. |
| 04:41.28 | Cairenn | Ahhh |
| 04:41.37 | Cairenn | So you're less than 4 hrs from |
| 04:41.40 | Cairenn | me |
| 04:41.45 | Cairenn | I'm in Ottawa |
| 04:41.54 | Jamash | you mean there are cities other than NYC in new york state? |
| 04:42.02 | Thunder_Child | and we all feel sorry for you Cairenn |
| 04:42.20 | Jamash | Cairenn: is that in new zealand? |
| 04:42.33 | Cairenn | Yeah, well, I still wish I was back in NS, but if I have to be in Ontario, Ottawa is actually a really nice city |
| 04:42.42 | TMc51 | Jamash: Yes, there are. It might even surprise you, but Washington DC is also not even in Washington. OMG head == blown |
| 04:42.54 | Cairenn | Jamash: Ottawa, national capital of Canada |
| 04:43.01 | Jamash | wait |
| 04:43.08 | Jamash | canada has a capital city??? |
| 04:43.08 | Thunder_Child | i meant sorry for you having to be in Canada |
| 04:43.26 | Jamash | I thought your capital was london |
| 04:43.31 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I'd rather be here, for most things, than in the US :p |
| 04:43.31 | Jamash | england |
| 04:43.33 | TMc51 | So, is Canada America's hat, or is America Canada's trousers? |
| 04:43.36 | Cairenn | Jamash: :p |
| 04:43.40 | Cairenn | TMc51: the latter |
| 04:43.51 | Thunder_Child | damit Cairenn, rise to the bait! |
| 04:43.56 | TMc51 | that would mean that Florida is the, err, nevermind. |
| 04:43.57 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: newp |
| 04:44.17 | ccox | TMc51 - been done |
| 04:44.17 | BlackNet | a google search is telling me it's a UIDropDownList taint issue |
| 04:44.32 | Sintacks | makes sense |
| 04:44.37 | Jamash | Submit yourself to the taint! |
| 04:44.47 | TMc51 | you mean the gulf of mexico? |
| 04:44.56 | TMc51 | certainly smells like it in most places at least. |
| 04:45.09 | Thunder_Child | Texas i think TMc51 |
| 04:45.13 | Sintacks | Blizzard needs to remove the dropdown for them.. the same they the raid markers don't have a dropdown. |
| 04:45.15 | nicoli_s | man im looking forward to blizzcon |
| 04:45.21 | Cairenn | me too :) |
| 04:45.24 | nicoli_s | and airtonix:whats with the curse hate? |
| 04:45.26 | bluspacecow | @blacknet /taintlog 1 and examine taint.log then |
| 04:45.30 | TMc51 | more like Louisiana |
| 04:45.32 | Cairenn | Going to be better (for me) than last year |
| 04:45.36 | bluspacecow | or if you're feeling adventorous |
| 04:45.38 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.45 | Sintacks | what does taintlog 2 even do |
| 04:45.48 | kd3 | winces |
| 04:45.54 | BlackNet | dont you mean /console taintlog 1? :) |
| 04:45.56 | bluspacecow | it's like normal taintlog |
| 04:46.02 | bluspacecow | but in more detail |
| 04:46.04 | kd3 | you want logs? how does gigs of log data sound? |
| 04:46.10 | TMc51 | except now with twice the taint |
| 04:46.13 | bluspacecow | like lists _every_ interaction not just the erroring ones |
| 04:46.16 | nicoli_s | i just hope i dont end up having to go to disney land :( |
| 04:46.23 | Sintacks | o.o |
| 04:46.27 | BlackNet | restarting now. |
| 04:46.30 | bluspacecow | seriously it logs like 500 MB of data in like minutes |
| 04:46.35 | BlackNet | everyone is getting it. |
| 04:46.42 | BlackNet | unable to set raid markers, etc. |
| 04:46.46 | bluspacecow | @blacknet yes /console not sure if you can access it directly by slash command |
| 04:46.58 | Sintacks | does turning taintlogging on/off require a reload/restart? |
| 04:47.01 | BlackNet | the /taintlog gave the syntax msg bs |
| 04:47.06 | BlackNet | think so |
| 04:47.36 | BlackNet | and i know that apps like atlast loot is greatly affected by it |
| 04:48.25 | Jamash | solution: create two uidropdowns, one for blizzard code only and one for addons |
| 04:48.25 | Sintacks | I want to know what keeps killing the Dungeon Jican'tspellforshit |
| 04:48.28 | Jamash | BAM |
| 04:48.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:48.44 | BlackNet | :) yup |
| 04:48.47 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: 'Have to'? |
| 04:48.47 | BlackNet | that would do it |
| 04:49.18 | BlackNet | a quick and dirty one |
| 04:49.28 | Sintacks | so secure, untaintable Blizzard dropdown menues, and unsecure, taintable addon dropdown menues? |
| 04:49.47 | BlackNet | or fix the damned bug that has been in there for a long time now |
| 04:49.52 | Sintacks | lol |
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| 04:50.02 | bluspacecow | anyone got the PTR installed wanna test something for me ? |
| 04:50.07 | Sintacks | i have it installed |
| 04:50.08 | bluspacecow | work in the Inn in Undercity |
| 04:50.14 | bluspacecow | *walk in |
| 04:50.27 | Sintacks | US PVE realm? |
| 04:50.34 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 04:50.55 | TMc51 | whats supposed to be in there? |
| 04:51.00 | Sintacks | i think all my toons are alli.. hope one of them has a faction transfer up |
| 04:51.31 | Sintacks | heh.. patch |
| 04:51.38 | Sintacks | 11 mb |
| 04:51.45 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 04:51.48 | bluspacecow | build number ? |
| 04:51.56 | nicoli_s | Thunder_Child:curse group meetup is before blizzcon |
| 04:51.59 | Sintacks | not sure |
| 04:52.06 | bluspacecow | currently i'm getting reports of people crashing before going in there |
| 04:52.12 | nicoli_s | one of the activities planned might be disneyland |
| 04:52.16 | Sintacks | "this download is not authorized" lol what |
| 04:52.17 | bluspacecow | @sintacks its at the top of the launcher |
| 04:52.25 | bluspacecow | 4.3.build_number |
| 04:52.29 | kd3 | there's a new build--14809 |
| 04:52.35 | Sintacks | the launcher hadn't shown up yet |
| 04:52.39 | Sintacks | 14791 |
| 04:52.45 | bluspacecow | yeah that was the one that come out today |
| 04:52.46 | kd3 | dunno if it's out officially yet |
| 04:52.49 | bluspacecow | 14809 |
| 04:52.55 | TMc51 | sooo, been over a year since I played Horde until yesterday. Where in UC IS the inn? |
| 04:53.05 | kd3 | ask a guard? |
| 04:53.06 | Sintacks | yeah. i haven't been on today. it's not that much. i'll be on in a couple minutes |
| 04:53.08 | bluspacecow | ,, |
| 04:53.15 | bluspacecow | i'm allie |
| 04:53.17 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 04:53.20 | bluspacecow | *runs* |
| 04:53.24 | nebula169 | middle upper mailbox |
| 04:53.26 | Sintacks | You're alli in the horde inn? |
| 04:53.27 | Sintacks | lol |
| 04:53.30 | nebula169 | track innkeeper |
| 04:53.56 | Sintacks | I love the new tracking options... |
| 04:54.02 | TMc51 | I hear that works great while you're sitting at the launcher patching up. |
| 04:54.06 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: and opting out is gauche |
| 04:54.16 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 04:54.17 | nicoli_s | Thunder_Child:basically |
| 04:54.28 | nicoli_s | i think it might even be mandatory |
| 04:54.28 | Sintacks | does Cairenn even play wow |
| 04:54.35 | nicoli_s | i mean they are paying so i cant complain too much |
| 04:54.40 | Cairenn | Sintacks: I have 2 85's |
| 04:55.00 | Sintacks | race/class? |
| 04:55.00 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:55.06 | kd3 | Cairenn has more 85s than I do |
| 04:55.08 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: of course you can, you are american |
| 04:55.23 | BlackNet | ouch |
| 04:55.29 | BlackNet | 400meg taintlog file |
| 04:55.33 | BlackNet | i did taintlog 2 |
| 04:55.37 | Cairenn | both hunters (shut up, I like playing hunter), 1 alliance, 1 horde |
| 04:55.47 | TMc51 | heh |
| 04:55.47 | Sintacks | yay. i had a faction transfer up |
| 04:55.56 | Sintacks | nothing wrong with two hunters |
| 04:56.08 | BlackNet | and apparently looking at elements will cause taints |
| 04:56.39 | TMc51 | My highest Hordes are 80 and Alliance at 85, so my duplicates are, 2 Rogues, 2 Druids, 2 Shaman, and I'm working on a 3rd Druid, this time on a PVP server. |
| 04:56.44 | Sintacks | horse shit. i forgot to turn load out of date back on |
| 04:57.20 | TMc51 | wow |
| 04:57.35 | TMc51 | UC elevators cause a crash to desktop |
| 04:57.45 | Sintacks | lol that's bad |
| 04:58.16 | TMc51 | I'm not even going to try logging back into that char. I learned my lesson last time it happened on a PTR. hehe |
| 04:58.46 | Sintacks | lol |
| 04:58.56 | Sintacks | i got stuck in the FL instance portal on live the other day... |
| 04:59.09 | Sintacks | tried to zone in after a wipe.. DC.. log back in.. DC.. three times. |
| 04:59.14 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOL |
| 04:59.17 | TMc51 | I can either copy a new char, or just go back to SW:TOR beta. Hmm, think I know what to do. |
| 04:59.21 | bluspacecow | nsfw https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150334006743143&id=519768142 /NSFW |
| 04:59.29 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 04:59.30 | Sintacks | i finally got in and stable and didn't want to move, so i just hearthed |
| 04:59.32 | bluspacecow | wrong link! |
| 04:59.39 | bluspacecow | NSFW http://nowthatyourebig.blogspot.com/ |
| 05:00.23 | Sintacks | lawl.. i didn't even make it any where near the eleator in UC and i crashed |
| 05:01.04 | Sintacks | illegal client GUID dereference at .\Movement_C.cpp:125! Provided GUID blahblahblah |
| 05:01.07 | Sintacks | heh |
| 05:01.09 | kd3 | blu; lmao |
| 05:01.29 | bluspacecow | yeah that's the one. |
| 05:01.41 | bluspacecow | thanks sintacks |
| 05:01.52 | Sintacks | what about it? o.O |
| 05:02.37 | bluspacecow | thats what i wanted you to test. |
| 05:02.39 | Sintacks | hmm. if GM tickets are automacticly closed, how do you get a toon unstuck |
| 05:02.49 | bluspacecow | reroll? |
| 05:03.02 | bluspacecow | do another copy from a toon placed o/s of the Undercity? |
| 05:03.02 | Sintacks | o.. change race or faction or something |
| 05:03.04 | kd3 | by deleting it and copying another? or hoping it's unstuck in the next build |
| 05:03.09 | kd3 | or that |
| 05:03.21 | Sintacks | i already have a race change for that toon. lol |
| 05:03.30 | Sintacks | atempting to login to again though |
| 05:03.36 | Sintacks | instant crash |
| 05:03.43 | Sintacks | same error. same GUID |
| 05:03.59 | Sintacks | so, note to self: stay the fuck away from UC on PTR |
| 05:04.11 | kd3 | reminds me of alphas gone by |
| 05:04.35 | Sintacks | and then i make the toon an Undead. lol |
| 05:05.04 | Sintacks | instant crash as undead. |
| 05:05.06 | Sintacks | so something is broken in UC |
| 05:05.37 | mckenziemc | does firefox have a page that displays detailed CPU usage info, like about:memory does for RAM? |
| 05:05.43 | BlackNet | hmmmm |
| 05:05.47 | Jamash | about:about |
| 05:05.47 | mckenziemc | i already tried about:cpu and it didn't work |
| 05:06.00 | BlackNet | looks like taintlog 1 does not show up the problem with atlasloot |
| 05:06.26 | Sintacks | hmm.. maybe the toon wasn't moved... cuz i made it back to troll and i instant crashed |
| 05:06.43 | kd3 | you have to faction change to get a move |
| 05:06.56 | kd3 | race changes in the same faction won't cause you to go anywhere |
| 05:06.59 | Sintacks | heh.. i guess that make sense |
| 05:07.48 | Sintacks | and now it's not going to give me a faction change... |
| 05:07.53 | Sintacks | at least i was done with the hunter testing |
| 05:08.00 | kd3 | check back next hour |
| 05:08.14 | Sintacks | i'll change it whenever i get a faction change on it |
| 05:08.58 | Sintacks | the baot frmo stormwind to kalimdor is bugged as well |
| 05:09.05 | Sintacks | according to PTR bug forums |
| 05:09.13 | kd3 | sounds like a standard ptr, then |
| 05:09.16 | TMc51 | wtb captain placeholder |
| 05:10.59 | Thunder_Child | "I Am CAPTAIN PLACEHOLDER!" |
| 05:11.10 | Sintacks | half of the first page of the bug forum is "ERROR 134 ON LOGIN HALP" |
| 05:17.41 | Thunder_Child | heh, i just found an old picture that shows when i had 2 CRT monitors. They look so ugly now. |
| 05:19.26 | Sintacks | http://us.acidcow.com/pics/20090727/pics/14/picdump_53.jpg |
| 05:19.33 | Sintacks | which of you would be that guy at a LAN party |
| 05:19.45 | Jamash | I'm the guy with a laptop |
| 05:20.09 | Thunder_Child | i'm the guy with one that big, that is /not/ in 3D |
| 05:20.45 | Thunder_Child | though i do like the number of fans on that case next to him |
| 05:21.20 | Sintacks | i played wow on a 60" dlp.. i didn't like it |
| 05:21.58 | BlackNet | to big. head will be strained looking all over for stuff |
| 05:22.18 | Thunder_Child | i want to play something at an imax |
| 05:22.44 | kd3 | email away |
| 05:23.01 | Sintacks | I want to play an FPS on an imax screen |
| 05:23.20 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: a driving or flight sim would be even better |
| 05:23.30 | Sintacks | yeah true |
| 05:24.04 | pnorman | Thunder_Child: Imax isn't great if the movie isn't designed for it |
| 05:24.22 | Thunder_Child | pnorman: we were talking about games |
| 05:24.42 | pnorman | The same would apply to games - they wouldn't run at the resolution required for imax |
| 05:25.04 | kd3 | lmao; got a bounce because I sent a raw diff |
| 05:25.06 | pnorman | I volunteered at a science center with an omnimax screen |
| 05:26.49 | Thunder_Child | 10,000Ã7000? i think we can find a game to run in that |
| 05:27.30 | Thunder_Child | and the place to do it would seem to be in Sydney |
| 05:29.39 | kd3 | hey MentalPower|Work, ping |
| 05:30.05 | Thunder_Child | i tried that earlier kd3, never got a response :( |
| 05:35.46 | sintAcks | http://us.acidcow.com/pics/20110404/acid_picdump_103.jpg |
| 05:35.51 | sintAcks | that's fucking tripp |
| 05:35.53 | sintAcks | trippy* |
| 05:36.26 | Thunder_Child | only because of the eye, the rest is normal |
| 05:48.02 | Cairenn | kd3, Thunder_Child, can always try Esamynn|Away |
| 05:48.14 | kd3 | no worries, got him on gmail |
| 05:48.21 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:48.45 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-74-177-26-66.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:48.45 | kd3 | but yah, that would make sense too, now that I think about it |
| 05:48.46 | bluspacecow | *has image of Esamynn on a horse* |
| 05:48.51 | bluspacecow | "hi-ho silver away" |
| 05:48.51 | Thunder_Child | except he is away.... |
| 05:49.05 | TMc51 | my stomach's gonna hate me in a few hours, but Sal's Sassy Sauce is so good, the heartburn is going to be worth it. |
| 05:49.20 | Thunder_Child | the name doesnt sound good however |
| 05:50.07 | TMc51 | there's a CNY chain called Sal's Bird Land. Bestest chicken wings ever, and they have a special sauce they make, and sell in stores. |
| 05:51.24 | TMc51 | you can actually find it on amazon, now, it seems. http://www.amazon.com/Sals-Birdland-Sassy-Sauce/dp/B002HMQI0K |
| 05:54.02 | TMc51 | it's sort of spicy like a good hot sauce, and then real sweet and tangy like sweet and sour or duck sauce. |
| 05:58.27 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5847831/holy-sht-a-virus-has-infected-the-us-drone-fleet you know Shirik has something to do with this |
| 05:59.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:59.19 | Shirik | I actually already knew about that |
| 05:59.48 | Thunder_Child | thats my point |
| 06:00.18 | TMc51 | inb4 skynet |
| 06:00.18 | Shirik | that being said, whoever wrote this article doesn't know what they're talking about |
| 06:00.28 | Shirik | One theory is that because the Predator and Reaper crews use removable hard drives to load maps and videos, the virus could have spread from those drives. The drives have been used in both classified and unclassified computers so confidential data could have been logged and sent somewhere else. |
| 06:00.31 | Shirik | that is complete BS |
| 06:00.44 | TMc51 | it's gizmodo, of course they dont know wtf they're talking about. |
| 06:01.01 | TMc51 | if it isnt an apple product, they dont know anything about it |
| 06:01.13 | Thunder_Child | it's from http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/ |
| 06:01.16 | Shirik | the data is always loaded onto classified systems via a data diode |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | it is literally impossible to get data off a classified system, even if you hack into it |
| 06:01.54 | Thunder_Child | "In the meantime, technicians at Creech are trying to get the virus off the GCS machines. It has not been easy. At first, they followed removal instructions posted on the website of the Kaspersky security firm. âBut the virus kept coming back,â a source familiar with the infection says." this is security experts we have? |
| 06:02.28 | Shirik | they ran antivirus software |
| 06:02.32 | TMc51 | sounds like either an inside job, or one of the techs is watching a bit too much porn on government computers. |
| 06:02.33 | Shirik | isn't that all they're supposed to do? |
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| 06:02.42 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 06:02.42 | purl | whacks Shirik with a giant beaver's tail |
| 06:02.50 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:03.09 | kullervo | I hear they're not connected to the internet but receive map updates on flash dongles |
| 06:03.17 | Shirik | on a more amusing note, they sent one of our networks into lockdown a few days ago actually |
| 06:03.37 | TMc51 | lol he said dongles |
| 06:03.39 | Shirik | NAVAIR connected a laptop up to one of our systems and it was detected |
| 06:03.51 | TMc51 | cue beavis and butthead laugh track |
| 06:03.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: regardless of data diodes, if you have access to transmit data to the HDD, something can pick that up and transmit it. |
| 06:04.11 | Shirik | we just ended up wiping the computers clean, since it was locked down |
| 06:04.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Sure, but you can't get information off of the thing you were transmitting to |
| 06:05.20 | Shirik | anyway |
| 06:05.30 | Shirik | It's probably nothing, and I'm not surprised they have no idea how to get rid of it |
| 06:05.40 | Shirik | I don't really have much respect for the military "IT professionals" |
| 06:07.57 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 06:09.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: i have been thinking about this....the only way to know that the HDD has been plugged into something with a higher classification is if there is some info on the HDD itself. that could be manipulated |
| 06:09.25 | Shirik | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 06:10.32 | Shirik | like, basically, rule #1 is you do not share disks between classified systems and unclassified systems. If they really were doing that, someone's going to get bitched at. |
| 06:10.48 | Thunder_Child | you were saying that you can not transfer info off the HDD because the HDD would read it as a less secure connection. Something within the HDD would have to make the validation |
| 06:12.26 | Shirik | this is basically how it works http://www.isode.com/images/data-diode-2.png |
| 06:12.45 | Shirik | on the unclassified side, the server sends back an acknowledgement saying "ok got it" |
| 06:13.03 | Shirik | and then translates it into an error correcting unidirectional transmission to the server on the classified side |
| 06:13.11 | Shirik | it is assumed that it got there |
| 06:13.18 | Shirik | (there's no way around that little tidbit) |
| 06:13.39 | Shirik | on the other side, the server translates that back into the original format, and you're done |
| 06:13.56 | Shirik | usually the diode itself is just a one-way fiber optic, etc. |
| 06:14.41 | Thunder_Child | "Use of the drives is now severely restricted throughout the military. But the base at Creech was one of the exceptions, until the virus hit. Predator and Reaper crews use removable hard drives to load map updates and transport mission videos from one computer to another. The virus is believed to have spread through these removable drives. " |
| 06:14.55 | Shirik | I see |
| 06:15.03 | Thunder_Child | yes, the drives were being loded on the low side as well, allowing for data transfer off |
| 06:15.17 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 06:15.24 | Thunder_Child | (i do understand a data diode ^_^) |
| 06:15.30 | Shirik | the government imposes stricter requirements on contractors than themselves |
| 06:15.50 | Thunder_Child | that goes for people in general |
| 06:16.26 | Dagmar | Honestly now I'm wondering did they have a bug in the USB drivers or were they actually using Windows with fucking autoplay enabled |
| 06:19.56 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.10 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.04 | Shirik | Ù©(â¢Ì®Ì®Ìâ¢Ì)Û¶ |
| 06:21.06 | Shirik | also, night |
| 06:21.32 | bluspacecow | day! |
| 06:21.52 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.41 | Cairenn | night Shirik |
| 06:23.56 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:24.08 | Shirik | go to sleep |
| 06:24.32 | Thunder_Child | this is early for her Shirik |
| 06:26.28 | Cairenn | Yeah, I've got another 1/2 hr yet! |
| 06:27.31 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juCHINBUj80 |
| 06:28.55 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: you mean 1.5 |
| 06:29.00 | Cairenn | No |
| 06:29.18 | Cairenn | I've been trying to be a good dooby lately, trying to stick to a 3am bed time |
| 06:29.26 | Cairenn | I'm not always successful, but I'm tryng |
| 06:29.29 | Cairenn | trying* |
| 06:29.31 | Thunder_Child | good for you |
| 06:29.32 | TMc51 | I think she really meant 12. |
| 06:30.03 | Thunder_Child | i meant 1.5 hours, not 1:30 AM (or 4 for her) |
| 06:30.08 | Thunder_Child | 4:30* |
| 06:30.21 | Cairenn | I knew what you mean :) |
| 06:30.30 | Cairenn | +t |
| 06:30.55 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: http://gizmodo.com/5847599/galaxy-nexus-and-ice-cream-sandwich-are-gonna-be-a-little-late |
| 06:31.09 | Thunder_Child | want a wambulance? |
| 06:31.55 | mckenziemc | Fisker's dead |
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| 06:33.00 | Thunder_Child | on the other hand here is a sneak peek for Fisker http://gizmodo.com/5847584/ice-cream-sandwich-and-the-galaxy-nexus-get-the-video-treatment |
| 06:45.40 | airtonix | Thunder_Child: uuid dmesg connection logs on said classified systems |
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| 06:48.13 | p3lim | hm just got an weird error on git |
| 06:48.14 | p3lim | http://i53.tinypic.com/oshci1.png |
| 06:50.30 | p3lim | ~seen tekkub |
| 06:50.33 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowuidev #wowace, last said: 'I don't lose things'. |
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| 07:06.31 | Jamash | I think I know what your problem is |
| 07:06.43 | Jamash | You're using git. |
| 07:06.54 | Jamash | Try not using git and see if it clears up. |
| 07:12.24 | Fisker | old Thunder_Child |
| 07:12.25 | Fisker | as dust |
| 07:13.13 | Thunder_Child | dust is rather new actually, it comes from shedding skin cells |
| 07:13.56 | Thunder_Child | primarily from* |
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| 08:15.32 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 08:16.03 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 08:16.07 | Fisker | why? |
| 08:16.16 | Thunder_Child | why not? |
| 08:16.36 | bluspacecow | *fiskery fiskers Fisker* |
| 08:17.21 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 08:17.43 | Fisker | have someone made like a list of various vanity items from quests? |
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| 09:28.07 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 09:41.27 | karl_w_w | Fisker I once made a list of people you killed |
| 09:45.25 | Fisker | ok karl_w_w |
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| 09:47.16 | sigg | hello |
| 09:47.32 | sigg | do you know where we can download the PTR wow ui source ? |
| 09:48.59 | BlackNet | there is some switch options you can put in the client to do that |
| 09:54.10 | jnwhiteh | sigg: you just extract it from the ptr |
| 09:54.13 | jnwhiteh | same as always |
| 09:54.15 | jnwhiteh | ~framexml |
| 09:54.15 | purl | i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 09:56.09 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 09:56.13 | Fisker | do you like music 4.0.1? |
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| 10:04.24 | Corrodias2 | ~cheesecake |
| 10:04.24 | purl | methinks cheesecake is statistically the most popular dessert ordered in restaurants, or goozbach fuel |
| 10:04.43 | Corrodias2 | it deserves the distinction of popularity |
| 10:05.53 | sigg | thanks you |
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| 10:33.55 | sigg | there is a bug in the secureGroupHeader.lua file on PTR |
| 10:34.03 | sigg | Interface\FrameXML\SecureGroupHeaders.lua:810: attempt to get length of local 'display' (a number value) |
| 10:34.35 | sigg | line 810 local deadIndex = #display + 1; should be replace by local deadIndex = display + 1; |
| 10:34.52 | jnwhiteh | odd |
| 10:34.54 | jnwhiteh | very very odd |
| 10:35.02 | jnwhiteh | someone has created a battle.net account with my alternate gmail account |
| 10:35.09 | jnwhiteh | on the taiwanese battle.net |
| 10:36.13 | jnwhiteh | but the email I got was in English |
| 10:36.14 | jnwhiteh | confusing. |
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| 10:48.32 | jnwhiteh | and my email account wasn't compromised either |
| 10:48.33 | jnwhiteh | bizarre |
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| 11:15.11 | Fisker | not at all jnwhiteh |
| 11:15.30 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 11:15.33 | jnwhiteh | you did it, didn't you |
| 11:15.40 | Fisker | i would if i could |
| 11:15.45 | Fisker | but no my name isn't zhang |
| 11:16.48 | jnwhiteh | the name on the account is 'kwf' |
| 11:17.21 | airtonix | lled with fisker |
| 11:17.25 | airtonix | ki |
| 11:17.37 | Fisker | oh ok jnwhiteh |
| 11:17.46 | Fisker | looks like mr. zhang isn't doing it anymore then |
| 11:18.04 | airtonix | how do you know it was mr zhang |
| 11:18.18 | airtonix | or that it wasn't always mrs zhang |
| 11:18.49 | Fisker | because airtonix |
| 11:19.47 | airtonix | oh ok, that sounds like a fairly comprehensive and reasonable explanation |
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| 11:33.41 | karl_w_w | anyone done BT lately at 85? how many people do you need? and a tank? |
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| 12:49.33 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSyQslrNFPA |
| 12:49.41 | airtonix | get a wolf, GET ALL THE WOLVES! |
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| 13:03.49 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 13:03.51 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 13:04.09 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
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| 14:55.57 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 14:55.58 | Fisker | beta? |
| 14:56.22 | Stanzilla | no |
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| 14:58.50 | Fisker | me neither Stanzilla |
| 14:58.57 | Fisker | wanna group suicide? |
| 14:59.18 | Stanzilla | ye ofc |
| 14:59.56 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/s6w2l |
| 15:00.42 | Fisker | seen bigger |
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| 15:05.02 | airtonix | umad? |
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| 15:06.35 | airtonix | hey Fisker, your mamma is so fat : http://i.imgur.com/K83lG.jpg |
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| 15:07.44 | foxlit | pokes foxlit. |
| 15:08.58 | mikma | fisker: http://imgur.com/gallery/mcV1Z |
| 15:09.56 | foxlit | "Why does this matter? If you can type without looking at the keys, this won't inconvenience you typing at all lol" |
| 15:10.05 | foxlit | I find myself disagreeing with this tatement. |
| 15:10.56 | foxlit | For some reason I find myself confused when the OS keyboard layout does not match what's on the physical keyboard, even though I don't actually look at the thing to type. |
| 15:11.32 | foxlit | worst offender: danish physical keyboards combined with enUS logical kayout. |
| 15:13.25 | Cide | I disagree |
| 15:13.42 | Cide | my keys are blank so I wouldn't look ever |
| 15:13.57 | foxlit | That's nice but not really interesting. |
| 15:14.13 | foxlit | If you're at your own keyboard, you obviously don't have a problem. |
| 15:14.31 | foxlit | If you're dealing with someone else's setup, misplaced keycaps are nasty. |
| 15:14.32 | Cide | what I'm saying is if one can type flawlessly with blank keys, what does it matter if it says some random shit on them? |
| 15:15.08 | foxlit | Yes, assuming you know more than one keyboard layout. |
| 15:15.27 | foxlit | Though perhaps that's a separate problem. |
| 15:15.40 | Cide | I'd think so, but that would naturally make it more painful |
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| 15:17.08 | Arrowmaster | the keys from different rows are also sometimes different shapes so doing that could make the rows uneven which would be confusing |
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| 15:50.16 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 15:50.54 | Mikk | plenty of locales have differently-shaped keys yes |
| 15:51.11 | Mikk | like swedish for instance has a huge enter button that goes from the shift key all the way up to the backspace key |
| 15:51.44 | Mikk | other locales have single-line enter keys |
| 15:51.56 | Arrowmaster | no i mean depending on the keyboard model the top and bottom row might have a different angle on them |
| 15:52.17 | Arrowmaster | i have seen this on an old gateway keyboard from 96 or so |
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| 15:53.34 | Mikk | and this wasn't because of an extra key between the left shift and the z ? |
| 15:53.59 | Arrowmaster | no each row was shaped slightly different |
| 15:54.03 | Mikk | erk |
| 15:55.08 | Arrowmaster | i mean they were still square and all but you know how they arent perfect squares, the top and bottom of the key cap arent parallel, that angel was different on each row |
| 15:55.37 | Arrowmaster | angle |
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| 15:59.35 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:59.37 | Fisker | isad |
| 15:59.54 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 15:59.59 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.02 | bluspacecow | and now ? |
| 16:03.23 | Fisker | imad? |
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| 16:04.49 | bluspacecow | naw |
| 16:05.28 | Fisker | ok |
| 16:11.51 | foxlit | psionic storm :( |
| 16:21.37 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 16:21.54 | Fisker | i heard that using aoe stuns on ragnaros' adds is a good thing |
| 16:23.17 | Stanzilla | Fisker: yeah, holy wrath is amazing for the intermissions |
| 16:26.30 | airtonix | hey fisker |
| 16:26.43 | airtonix | you're just a bat shit crazy insane priest |
| 16:26.51 | airtonix | therefore |
| 16:26.52 | airtonix | mad |
| 16:27.42 | airtonix | i mean lol, who goes into the desert wearing plate to fight a holy war based on the delusional rantings of a drug addict? |
| 16:27.47 | Fisker | k airtonix |
| 16:27.56 | Shirik | umad airtonix? |
| 16:28.05 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:28.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:28.11 | Fisker | humps Shirik's leg |
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| 16:53.50 | foxlit | "This bug makes rotating frames infinitely impossible. " |
| 16:53.57 | foxlit | I take it that's worse than just being finitely impossible? |
| 16:59.16 | airtonix | well yes |
| 16:59.26 | airtonix | obviously it means it will never be possible |
| 16:59.37 | airtonix | not ever |
| 17:02.15 | Fisker | then it's not a bug |
| 17:09.06 | Fisker | what the fuck is going on blu |
| 17:09.09 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:09.14 | Fisker | what is going on in here? |
| 17:09.19 | Fisker | getting 3 digs on the same spot |
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| 17:20.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:20.16 | Shirik | archeology sucks |
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| 17:20.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:20.25 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:20.28 | Fisker | but i'm bored |
| 17:20.46 | airtonix | Shirik: so does your face |
| 17:22.33 | foxlit | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/samsung-950-series-3d-led-monitor-now-shipping-25-05-2011/ |
| 17:22.35 | foxlit | wait, what? |
| 17:23.14 | foxlit | "and features a 27 inch screen size with 1920 x 1080 pixels" it's a tv. meh. |
| 17:26.33 | Fisker | old foxlit |
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| 17:26.50 | Fisker | and it's not a tv :< |
| 17:27.09 | foxlit | why isn't it a tv, Fisker? |
| 17:27.41 | Fisker | says right there in the name |
| 17:28.06 | foxlit | a tv by any other name is still a tv. |
| 17:28.39 | Fisker | monitor with a tv tuner |
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| 17:30.12 | Arrowmaster | so does it have a tuner or not? doesnt sound like it but still seems like its intended for use as a tv |
| 17:30.37 | Arrowmaster | that small of a pixel density doesnt make it a good monitor |
| 17:31.11 | Arrowmaster | and im bored |
| 17:31.32 | Fisker | they have a version with and without a tuner |
| 17:32.02 | foxlit | basically, that resolution + that size == TV |
| 17:32.11 | Fisker | And "Full HD" retards gonna be "Full HD" retards |
| 17:32.47 | Antiarc | https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Izab__HOXTs/TpCIOV3OaZI/AAAAAAAADjg/B5eQ12veDmI/s833/99percent.jpg |
| 17:32.58 | Fisker | i'm hoping they create a 30" version with that there 26xx x something resolution |
| 17:33.00 | kullervo | even if it doesn't have a tuner it could be a TV without a tuner if the design suggests it's not originally meant for desktops |
| 17:33.40 | kullervo | ... that hardly made sense |
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| 17:33.47 | foxlit | Antiarc: arenas were never interesting to begin with :) |
| 17:33.59 | Arrowmaster | at first when i read the specs i thought it was complete crap because of the 2ms then i saw the OLED so im rather confused about it |
| 17:34.46 | Arrowmaster | anytime i see 2ms on a monitor spec i just assume TN panel so it must be crap |
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| 17:51.21 | airtonix | so you want a SLOWER rate? |
| 17:51.40 | Arrowmaster | no i want a better quality panel |
| 17:52.18 | Arrowmaster | speed is about the least useful metric of a panel |
| 17:52.41 | airtonix | you know what that is for right? |
| 17:52.59 | Arrowmaster | yes its the gray to gray measurement |
| 17:53.11 | airtonix | and you don't think this is useful why? |
| 17:53.40 | airtonix | mayb e you like inbuilt motion blur effect ? |
| 17:53.49 | TMc51 | minimize ghosting at the cost of banding, and poor color? not worth it imo. |
| 17:54.07 | Arrowmaster | because its not, panels are fast enough that you dont really see ghosting from them being too slow, you get shit like inverse ghosting caused by the overdrive they use to get that 2ms time |
| 17:54.20 | airtonix | TMc51: maybe you should buy a mac, i hear they make all their own hardware |
| 17:54.29 | TMc51 | lolmaclol |
| 17:54.34 | TMc51 | IPS panel or bust |
| 17:54.40 | airtonix | umad? |
| 17:54.55 | Arrowmaster | still using my dell 2001FP with an IPS panel from 04 |
| 17:55.09 | TMc51 | no, I just /point and /lol at mac users for loving their overpriced white boxes. :) |
| 17:55.19 | airtonix | Inespensive Piece of Shit |
| 17:56.41 | foxlit | let's play: find me a macbook air that isn't a macbook air |
| 17:57.38 | airtonix | iNotMacbook Air pro |
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| 18:08.21 | Arrowmaster | damnit why do the grand prix video files not show up in the usual places |
| 18:08.31 | Arrowmaster | cant find Formula1.2011.Japanese.Grand.Prix.Qualifying.HDTV.XviD-FTP.avi |
| 18:10.19 | pnorman | uses a cPVA display |
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| 18:10.48 | Arrowmaster | PVA/MVA displays arent bad |
| 18:11.23 | pnorman | I've been considering getting a calibrator |
| 18:12.09 | Iriel | pnorman: I have a Spyder 3 elite,it does a good job |
| 18:12.34 | pnorman | I have three monitors the same, except one is newer, so the lamps are aged differently |
| 18:14.06 | Iriel | The software has a "Studio Match" mode for multi-monitor setups |
| 18:14.31 | Iriel | Helps you create a calibration target within the range of all monitors |
| 18:14.36 | Iriel | then calibrate each to the same target |
| 18:14.42 | pnorman | I'm not sure what my next monitors will be when these go. Either IPS or 3D |
| 18:15.20 | Iriel | though there's obviously a point if one of the monitors is MUCH older or newer where the target can be pretty feeble |
| 18:15.28 | Arrowmaster | i want a 120hz IPS if they ever create one |
| 18:15.49 | TMc51 | ./drool |
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| 18:15.57 | Fisker | fuck IPS Arrowmaster |
| 18:22.22 | Fisker | umad |
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| 18:39.26 | nicoli_s | man i love when you have a long running app and you check back in on it right as it finishes |
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| 18:46.21 | Fisker | oh ok nicoli_s |
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| 19:30.36 | olafski | iriel: I've always wondered how those spyder things work.. I can get that they measure the colors on your screen somehow.. but a friend told me they also set up your monitor for you.. I can't see how that works :s |
| 19:30.59 | Arrowmaster | they create an ICS profile for you to load up |
| 19:31.01 | Iriel | Well, they both give you feedback on how you should adjust the monitor itself |
| 19:31.20 | Iriel | and they create an ICS Color Profile that tells the video driver how to modify the signals it sends the monitor |
| 19:31.33 | Arrowmaster | the really really good ones combined with a really really good monitor that has hardware LUT tables will directly configure the settings in the monitor |
| 19:34.11 | olafski | aha.. never heard of this ICS stuff.. is that similar to what that adobe gamma loader thing does in my startup? ;) |
| 19:34.16 | Arrowmaster | the NEC LCD2490WUXi is one of those really really good monitors and even comes with a calibrator if you get the right model |
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| 19:35.01 | Arrowmaster | ICS has been builtin for a long time |
| 19:35.09 | Arrowmaster | that adobe gamma loader does something similar i think but not |
| 19:35.23 | olafski | oh, ICS is something you feed directly to the video driver then I guess |
| 19:36.42 | Iriel | I suspect exactly how ICS manifests itself depends on you OS |
| 19:37.11 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/animals/einstein/IMG_0730.JPG.html what my cat looks like now |
| 19:37.29 | olafski | wtf :P |
| 19:37.30 | Arrowmaster | why |
| 19:37.40 | olafski | why would you shave a cat? did it have surgery? |
| 19:37.56 | BlackNet | she had some serious matting going on and didnt' have an option but to shave |
| 19:37.58 | olafski | also, can we catch "winter fish" in wow yet? :$ |
| 19:38.21 | olafski | matting.. is that like "knots" in the fur? |
| 19:38.38 | BlackNet | scissors and brush didn't work |
| 19:38.42 | BlackNet | only thing left was clippers |
| 19:39.12 | Fisker | ice cream sandwich? |
| 19:39.37 | olafski | ah.. well better keep it warm for a while I guess blacknet :) |
| 19:39.43 | BlackNet | she's indoors |
| 19:40.03 | olafski | yeah should be fine |
| 19:40.10 | olafski | I want a cat too =( |
| 19:40.19 | Fisker | you can get one of mine olafski |
| 19:40.20 | olafski | but only if I live somewhere I can let it play outside |
| 19:40.27 | BlackNet | didnt' have much of a matting problem till i moved her indoors last year |
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| 19:48.34 | Fisker | wanna fap Stanzilla ? |
| 19:53.41 | Stanzilla | together? |
| 19:56.51 | Fisker | maybe |
| 19:57.17 | karl_w_w | Fisker why don't people interrupt on corla? |
| 19:57.22 | Fisker | k |
| 19:58.22 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 19:58.31 | Fisker | right now our heroic strat for ragnaros is to bore him to death |
| 19:58.43 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 19:58.47 | BlackNet | because interrupting is not common place for one. |
| 19:58.50 | Stanzilla | sounds good Fisker |
| 19:59.11 | BlackNet | tank should be doing that on corla |
| 19:59.43 | karl_w_w | i did it a few times while healing |
| 19:59.47 | karl_w_w | and doing 1 of the adds |
| 20:00.07 | karl_w_w | but when one of the other guy's adds transformed i switched to interrupting the add |
| 20:00.22 | karl_w_w | then i got feared off my add and it transformed so i lef group |
| 20:00.25 | karl_w_w | seems fair |
| 20:00.46 | BlackNet | if your doing ach run there youhave to have 2 interrupts going out |
| 20:01.59 | Stanzilla | Fisker: do you need help? |
| 20:02.23 | Fisker | don't think so |
| 20:02.27 | Fisker | we just need to stop afk'ing |
| 20:03.04 | Fisker | we're still going through Phase 2 though |
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| 20:12.56 | moop | how can I make sure I iterate this following table in order: http://pastebin.com/DqgYgnk1 |
| 20:13.31 | moop | for example: for class,ability in pairs(CrowdControl["Beast"]) do print(class,ability) end |
| 20:13.43 | moop | doesn't print them in order |
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| 20:15.13 | Arrowmaster | only arrays have order |
| 20:16.28 | moop | hmm |
| 20:19.01 | moop | so there's no way, using the current structure, to iterate the table in the order I want? |
| 20:20.23 | BlackNet | what order do youwant them to show up |
| 20:21.22 | moop | in the same order they are in |
| 20:22.00 | moop | i.e. top to bottom, so if you look at the Beast table, it should be Druid -> Mage -> Hunter -> Rogue -> Shaman -> Warlock |
| 20:23.36 | moop | but when I iterate through it using the loop I pasted above, it's in the order Druid -> Shaman -> Rogue -> Mage -> Warlock -> Hunter |
| 20:25.11 | BlackNet | so what does the order matter? |
| 20:26.47 | moop | the addon marks a mob and automatically announces which class should CC which mark - I want to prio classes which have a CC that's specific to a creature type before classes that can CC anything. so in the case of a Beast, I'd rather have a Druid use Hibernate than a Mage use Polymorph |
| 20:27.38 | BlackNet | i see |
| 20:27.48 | moop | I thought I could could arrange it such that Druids would be chosen first, if I made sure to include them above Mages in the Beast table |
| 20:27.50 | moop | but no dice |
| 20:27.50 | BlackNet | so best to use a 3rd column to show the areas |
| 20:28.46 | moop | can you elaborate, please? :P |
| 20:29.36 | BlackNet | there is a raid comp addon i use. it shows broken down by catagory, i.e. beast: a,b,c as for classes that has cc for them |
| 20:30.02 | moop | what's its name? i'll take a look |
| 20:30.09 | BlackNet | rc |
| 20:30.17 | BlackNet | it's from mmo champ |
| 20:30.19 | BlackNet | lemme find it |
| 20:30.45 | BlackNet | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/arc.aspx |
| 20:32.09 | moop | thanks |
| 20:33.16 | BlackNet | hunters have me use it on every group im in now that they knwo i have it |
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| 20:33.46 | BlackNet | it keeps track of players spec, ms/os. you can run simulations and show history |
| 20:33.54 | BlackNet | pet raid buff's ec. |
| 20:33.55 | BlackNet | etc |
| 20:34.03 | moop | I see |
| 20:38.51 | Fisker | yus Stanzilla |
| 20:38.57 | Fisker | got my damn T12 4P bonus |
| 20:39.00 | BlackNet | find that many ppl dont know their class esp when it comes to cc |
| 20:41.45 | BlackNet | that what you are trying to do? |
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| 21:22.26 | BlackNet | Fisker grats |
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| 21:46.47 | Stanzilla | gz Fisker |
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| 21:56.11 | Fisker | Stanzilla pls? |
| 21:56.14 | Fisker | beta? |
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| 21:56.18 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 21:56.21 | Fisker | it's already been friday |
| 21:56.24 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU- |
| 21:58.52 | Stanzilla | no |
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| 22:17.48 | Jamash | I am happy to report a satisfactory solution to the authenticator problem |
| 22:17.58 | Jamash | I cable-tied my authenticator to my power cord |
| 22:18.27 | Fisker | no you're a power cord |
| 22:18.56 | Jamash | pure electricity baby |
| 22:18.59 | Jamash | in my pants |
| 22:31.16 | Fisker | goodbye Jamash |
| 22:32.19 | Jamash | hello Fisker |
| 22:32.43 | Jamash | hello hello |
| 22:36.41 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: that solution makes geeks and engineers cry. |
| 22:52.37 | Fisker | y u harass me Jamash ? |
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| 23:14.16 | Silversage | Git question: if I have a directory with a git repo in it, is it safe to rename the .git-containing directory? |
| 23:14.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:14.54 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 23:14.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 23:15.17 | Arrowmaster | you can rename the parent directory of the .git directory, thought you were asking if you could rename the .git directory at first |
| 23:15.35 | Silversage | My ... confidence is inspired. |
| 23:15.42 | Silversage | Thanks. :D |
| 23:15.52 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: what's wrong with it? |
| 23:16.17 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: besides an eyesore? |
| 23:16.18 | Silversage | I created the git repository in the addon directory, not in the addons directory. Unfortunately, the addon no longer fits its name, ergo the rename. |
| 23:16.32 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: huh? |
| 23:17.25 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: seeing your dongle dangle is not a pretty sight |
| 23:17.49 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: That's nice, dear |
| 23:18.27 | Thunder_Child | i'm talking about your authenticator perv |
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| 23:18.58 | Jamash | uh huh |
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| 23:27.13 | Jamash | I'm unclear how a laptop with an authenticator attached to the power cord is less aesthetically pleasing than a laptop with the authenticator attached to a blizzcon lanyard hung around the body of the laptop |
| 23:28.23 | Mikk | hid the authenticator inside his cellphone |
| 23:28.29 | Mikk | .. without cablestraps |
| 23:28.57 | Jamash | then I'd have to attach the cell phone to my computer |
| 23:29.13 | Mikk | that would be annoying |
| 23:29.34 | Jamash | dood, swords http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/b20/sword-and-shield.html |
| 23:29.57 | Mikk | Jamash: http://ambroseandrew.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/handsfree_cell_taped_to_head.jpg |
| 23:30.08 | Arrowmaster | i have 6 of those |
| 23:30.35 | Jamash | 6 swords or 6 cellphones rubber banded to your head? |
| 23:30.41 | Arrowmaster | 6 of those swords |
| 23:31.06 | Jamash | have you been burgling blizzard employees' houses? |
| 23:31.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:31.37 | Jamash | so... |
| 23:31.50 | Arrowmaster | i got them from the same place blizz got them, the guy that makes them |
| 23:34.15 | Jamash | I don't really want any weapons I can't hit people with |
| 23:34.27 | Jamash | that's why I stick to plastic / foam rubber / inflatable |
| 23:37.14 | Gnarfoz | but Arrowmaster, aren't they unique designs? I checked and did see similarities, but none looked identical |
| 23:37.35 | Arrowmaster | they look identical to what ive got |
| 23:37.55 | Jamash | according to the page I linked they get a batch of the same swords for each year but they vary from year to year |
| 23:38.28 | Jamash | but unless they write it into the contract there's nothing stopping the swordsmith from selling that design to other people |
| 23:38.58 | Arrowmaster | 2001-05 and 2007 |
| 23:39.35 | Arrowmaster | the 04 one i actually had before 04 since it came out in 01 |
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| 23:44.44 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: probably the other way around, though, he makes a series of these |
| 23:45.03 | Jamash | w/e |
| 23:45.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah one of them apprears to be a LOTR replica from the tolkien elven writing on it |
| 23:47.46 | Arrowmaster | the 6 i mentioned each cost at least $149 each when they were new, though i suspect they got them cheaper for getting a bunch at once |
| 23:50.51 | Jamash | I'm not gonna pay money for a sword unless I intend to use it |
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| 23:51.16 | Shirik | wow, yet another reason not to live in california |
| 23:51.21 | Jamash | or any weapon for that matter |
| 23:51.34 | Shirik | (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown on Saturday signed a bill giving illegal immigrant college students access to state-funded financial aid, the second half of two-part legislation known as the "Dream Act." |
| 23:51.41 | Jamash | awesome |
| 23:51.52 | Jamash | California's too good for you, Shirik |
| 23:52.08 | Dagmar | Kick him out of office. |
| 23:52.16 | Dagmar | That was irresponsibly stupid. |
| 23:52.18 | Jamash | Impeach Shirik |
| 23:52.35 | Jamash | Are you kidding me? This should go nationwide. |
| 23:52.43 | Shirik | hell no |
| 23:52.52 | Shirik | I'm already annoyed I'm paying for everyone else's laziness |
| 23:52.56 | Arrowmaster | doesnt that just make it easier for INS to locate them? |
| 23:53.03 | Shirik | at least those "everyone else" are generally still taxpayers |
| 23:53.05 | Dagmar | That state in particular is generally deep in the red because of the cost of illegal aliens. |
| 23:53.07 | Jamash | yeah because immigrants don't pay taxes, oh, wait, they do |
| 23:53.20 | Dagmar | Not _illegal_ immigrants. |
| 23:53.26 | Jamash | ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| 23:53.58 | Dagmar | Illegals _can't_ pay taxes. |
| 23:54.04 | Jamash | https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html |
| 23:54.21 | Jamash | You are entirely wrong. |
| 23:54.32 | Arrowmaster | seriously doesnt having something specifically for illegals to signup for just provide a way to identify them for deportation? |
| 23:54.48 | Jamash | Not if the records are closed |
| 23:55.05 | Dagmar | Jamash: No, you're entirely wrong. That place will get roflstomped once they figure out he's working illegally and probably has forged papers. |
| 23:55.24 | Jamash | "Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," |
| 23:55.39 | Jamash | $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990s |
| 23:55.50 | Dagmar | Which means they're committing fraud as well. |
| 23:55.50 | Jamash | You are wrong and ignorant |
| 23:55.53 | Jamash | So? |
| 23:56.02 | Dagmar | Where do you think those valid SSNs come from? |
| 23:56.07 | Jamash | So? |
| 23:56.21 | Dagmar | They're stolen. |
| 23:56.23 | Arrowmaster | well for the work that guy in the article is doing, its not like theres non illegal immigrants that want those jobs |
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| 23:56.44 | Jamash | I'm unclear what part of "immigrants pay taxes" you think your statements are relevant to |
| 23:56.50 | Arrowmaster | but here my friend lost his job at a place that hired tons of illegals |
| 23:56.50 | Dagmar | Working a 70 hour week making below minimum wage? |
| 23:57.01 | Dagmar | There's a reason minimum wage is a law, not a suggestion. |
| 23:57.39 | Jamash | Again, undocumented immigrants pay taxes. That is a fact. Refusing them in-state tuition and grants is foolish. |
| 23:58.10 | Dagmar | Not unless they're breaking a host of other laws in the process. |
| 23:58.21 | Jamash | What not unless what? |
| 23:58.33 | Dagmar | They cannot legally be employed. |
| 23:58.50 | Jamash | are you being dense on purpose or does it come naturally |
| 23:59.03 | Dagmar | No, dipshit. I actually know what the fucking rules are. |
| 23:59.28 | Dagmar | If they're not legal immigrants, they cannot legally work in the US. |
| 23:59.35 | Jamash | So? |
| 23:59.47 | Jamash | How is that relevant to the discussion? |
| 23:59.47 | Arrowmaster | which is why they buy fake ids and green cards |
| 23:59.54 | Dagmar | If they _are_ working in the US, they have committed fraud, identity theft, and very likely their employer is looking at a shitstorm if they get caught. |
