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| 00:30.42 | Shirik | You know what's great about snail mail? |
| 00:30.59 | Shirik | A few days ago I sold off my 100 shares of AMD for 6.29 and was sad that I was taking a loss on it |
| 00:31.16 | Shirik | Today I got the confirmation, read it, and then go "oh yeah, AMD just dropped to $5 didn't it" |
| 00:31.22 | Shirik | makes you a lot happier :) |
| 00:35.33 | Arrowmaster | what if AMD had just spiked to $8, then you wouldnt be happy |
| 00:35.59 | Shirik | true |
| 00:36.13 | Shirik | but I would have expected it |
| 00:36.27 | Shirik | when stocks continue to go down after you sell, you don't really pay attention to it |
| 00:36.39 | Shirik | until you get the confirmation in the mail and go "wow that's what I sold it at?" |
| 00:41.39 | kd3 | oh wow, MSFT |
| 00:41.51 | kd3 | flagging chrome as a virus? hahaha |
| 00:45.07 | Dagmar | Just proving they have *no* idea what a whitelist is. |
| 00:46.15 | Dagmar | The new menial labor simulator sure is pretty |
| 00:47.15 | Stanzilla | hugs Fisker |
| 00:52.19 | Shirik | I have to wonder how that actually got through "acidentally" |
| 00:52.28 | Shirik | I know there are people at Microsoft using Chrome on their computers |
| 00:52.41 | Shirik | you can't tell me nobody on that team uses it |
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| 01:07.22 | NickG365 | There are people at Microsoft that use Macs... |
| 01:08.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah the guys on the office for mac team |
| 01:11.29 | nebula169 | doubtful |
| 01:11.36 | nebula169 | i'm pretty sure office for mac is just dry coded |
| 01:31.23 | kd3 | oh. :( |
| 01:31.30 | kd3 | tevatron's shutting down now |
| 01:33.10 | Nechckn | That is sad |
| 01:33.46 | Nechckn | Who needs space exploration - or science? We have the scriptures, silly. |
| 01:34.17 | Cide | I'm guessing because LHC is bigger and better and the tevatron won't find anything the lhc won't find |
| 01:34.21 | Nechckn | *Sorry, that just sort of fit my rant. It is really sad, though. Too many forward-looking things being axed lately. |
| 01:34.45 | Cide | so science will go on :) |
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| 01:36.02 | Nechckn | Was speaking more of locally/US in that case. |
| 01:36.29 | Nechckn | http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/tevatron-atom-smashers-close-in-illinois-ends-era-of-big-science/2011/09/29/gIQAR9SK8K_story.html |
| 01:36.50 | Nechckn | ^ talks about all of the findings and the folks who have been trained there. |
| 01:37.19 | Cide | while I can see that it's sad, science is pretty international |
| 01:37.38 | Cide | my girlfriend and I talked about it just the other day |
| 01:37.55 | Cide | the tevatron shutting down, that is |
| 01:37.56 | Nechckn | I do not contest your statement. |
| 01:40.47 | Nechckn | It is passed its real lifespan, but the successor was killed off years ago, leaving only the option of traveling to <Somewhere_that_has_one> for physicists and the like. With all of the theories and studies, the more tools, the better. Maybe China will build a few and open them for international use. =) |
| 01:44.56 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 01:45.02 | Cide | pong |
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| 02:02.51 | kd3 | yay; pumpkins -> pumpkin seeds |
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| 02:09.26 | airtonix | hey kd3 |
| 02:09.32 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 02:09.34 | airtonix | i will destroy you |
| 02:09.43 | kd3 | sure, sure |
| 02:10.02 | airtonix | engages marshmellow directive 34 |
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| 02:58.44 | Dewin | *sigh* I hate when addons randomly lose all of their configuration |
| 02:59.51 | Dewin | Actually, WoW nuked it. The lua file containing the savedvariables is incomplete. >>> |
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| 03:18.46 | mckenziemc1 | heh |
| 03:18.59 | mckenziemc1 | and i thought 'kilowatt hour' was a silly unit |
| 03:19.12 | mckenziemc1 | this article mentions kilowatt hours per year |
| 03:19.36 | bluworkcow | *noms on mck* |
| 03:23.54 | mckenziemc1 | *discharges 20 coulombs through bluworkcow's body* |
| 03:24.55 | bluworkcow | what's a coulomb ? |
| 03:25.02 | bluworkcow | will i enjoy it ? |
| 03:25.04 | bluworkcow | :P |
| 03:25.09 | mckenziemc1 | what's a google |
| 03:25.13 | Dagmar | It's a unit of hair organization. |
| 03:25.13 | kd3 | ~wiki coulomb |
| 03:25.29 | kd3 | damn it, purl, skip the infoboxes... |
| 03:25.31 | mckenziemc1 | lovely infoboxes |
| 03:25.55 | Dagmar | Way to murder the fun there |
| 03:35.38 | Maldivia | *yawn* sooo early |
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| 03:49.28 | starlon | http://i.imgur.com/UsfGk.jpg |
| 03:49.34 | starlon | It's a trap! |
| 03:53.55 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 04:51.47 | karl_w_w | why have the comments vanished from my wowhead page? http://www.wowhead.com/user=karlww |
| 04:56.39 | bluworkcow | you got drunk last night and deleted them in a fit of rage over the boston red sox |
| 04:57.22 | Iriel | \ |
| 04:58.25 | karl_w_w | i dont care about the boston red sox and the clown sport they play :P |
| 05:00.10 | starlon | just say no to clown sports |
| 05:00.55 | karl_w_w | exactly :P |
| 05:01.13 | karl_w_w | clowns should be shot, not pitted against each other |
| 05:01.16 | karl_w_w | wait... |
| 05:01.26 | karl_w_w | give them guns! |
| 05:01.42 | starlon | and bullets! |
| 05:03.12 | bluworkcow | strip them half naked and give them large boobs ! |
| 05:05.29 | karl_w_w | somebody should teach purl to ignore infoboxes |
| 05:06.02 | bluworkcow | and clowns |
| 05:06.07 | karl_w_w | or better, all templates |
| 05:07.09 | starlon | clowns around. |
| 05:07.14 | karl_w_w | ~define purl |
| 05:07.14 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 05:07.21 | karl_w_w | ~dict purl |
| 05:07.31 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 05:16.33 | kd3 | hahaha, wtf. chinese state tv played an instrumental version of "america the beautiful" for their coverage of the Tiangong-1 launch |
| 05:16.51 | kd3 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15123830 |
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| 05:40.04 | starlon | sheeps bluworkcow. moobaah |
| 05:40.16 | bluworkcow | lolz |
| 05:40.18 | bluworkcow | Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 05:40.24 | starlon | :) |
| 05:40.28 | bluworkcow | http://us.media2.battle.net/cms/user_avatar/UTAAHI5Q61XZ1300914873634.gif |
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| 05:51.34 | starlon | happy happy |
| 06:10.52 | Antiarc | tekkub: The problem isn't ME losing things |
| 06:10.57 | Antiarc | It's other people losing my things for me./ |
| 06:11.09 | tekkub | whateva |
| 06:11.28 | Antiarc | Don't lie, you would RFID all the things if there was an easy consumer solution |
| 06:11.31 | Antiarc | Minimap for your life! |
| 06:11.52 | Antiarc | I would RFID tag my wife and make it show on my scanner as a gold exclamation mark |
| 06:12.05 | Antiarc | (Because I'm sure she'll always have errands for me to run) |
| 06:12.32 | tekkub | I doubt I would |
| 06:12.33 | Antiarc | As far as I can tell, though, there's basically no existing consumer RFID solution, though |
| 06:12.36 | tekkub | I don't lose things |
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| 07:37.11 | Yoshimo | do we know how wow calculates voidstorage costs for items? |
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| 08:24.17 | airtonix | i'm sure shirik is busy drawing supporting diagrams in charcoal all over his prision cell to figure it out |
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| 09:34.35 | Gnarfoz | Yoshimo: 100g per item, at the moment |
| 09:35.13 | Yoshimo | does not ´scale with rarity or ilvl? |
| 09:37.50 | Gnarfoz | didn't seem to on PTR just 15min ago |
| 09:38.07 | Gnarfoz | 1000g to unlock, 100g per item, can put/get a maximum of 9 items at a time |
| 09:38.13 | Gnarfoz | probably not final costs |
| 09:42.12 | airtonix | lol voidstorage |
| 09:42.24 | airtonix | did they get rid of banks and player bags a while ago or something? |
| 09:43.14 | nebula169 | its itemid storage for rp/stupid shit |
| 09:43.30 | Alram | oh u Gnarfoz |
| 09:44.08 | Gnarfoz | did they get rid of wow news sites, or something? (probably the reason airtonix doesn't know what this is! :D) |
| 09:44.21 | Alram | go and shop please |
| 09:44.24 | Gnarfoz | Alram: pre-dinner mayonnaise... it's good for you |
| 09:44.34 | airtonix | hey Gnarfoz, umad? |
| 09:44.50 | Gnarfoz | no, uuninformed? :> |
| 09:45.06 | airtonix | soyumadtho? |
| 09:45.34 | Gnarfoz | soya? |
| 09:47.53 | Alram | fucking go shopping already Gnarfoz goddamn |
| 09:48.02 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 09:48.07 | Gnarfoz | procrastinating! |
| 09:48.09 | Alram | no |
| 09:48.13 | Alram | gtfo |
| 09:48.21 | Gnarfoz | I'll go to your damn country and shop there! |
| 09:48.26 | Alram | thats ok |
| 09:48.26 | Gnarfoz | you can't stop me, Fisker |
| 09:48.40 | airtonix | lolumadalram |
| 09:48.45 | Alram | rlymad |
| 09:48.46 | Alram | u? |
| 09:52.01 | airtonix | lawl |
| 09:52.15 | airtonix | i love it when noobs think they have the answer to goldspammers and bots |
| 09:52.16 | airtonix | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3342240#c-3229244673 |
| 09:59.40 | Industrial | is logging in with a hardware key / generator able to be automated? |
| 09:59.52 | Industrial | if not, it also prevents account jacking doesnt it? |
| 10:03.06 | Industrial | airtonix: :D? |
| 10:07.29 | airtonix | hilarious |
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| 10:20.03 | cbreak | there's a trade channel? |
| 10:28.40 | starlon | >.> |
| 10:30.16 | Fisker | why not Gnarfoz ? |
| 10:33.00 | airtonix | because you're shit |
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| 10:40.13 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:40.25 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u |
| 10:41.18 | Fisker | Gnarfoz pls |
| 10:47.59 | Industrial | airtonix: I'm serious though, would it just be cant and mouse algorithm cracking? |
| 10:48.14 | Industrial | s/cant/cat/ |
| 10:48.23 | Industrial | thanks purl |
| 10:48.31 | Industrial | purl: thanks |
| 10:48.31 | purl | pas de quoi, Industrial |
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| 11:00.02 | airtonix | i hate you Fisker |
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| 11:18.41 | Computerpunk | (?°?°)?? ???.\ |
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| 16:50.54 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:51.13 | TMc51 | hey |
| 16:51.50 | Stanzilla | Fisker: did you play fable 3? |
| 16:52.06 | mikma | he only plays with his own fable |
| 16:57.55 | Fisker | yes Stanzilla |
| 16:57.58 | Fisker | hello Gnarfoz |
| 16:58.10 | Gnarfoz | not so hello Fisker |
| 16:58.20 | Fisker | why can't i stop you? |
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| 17:03.16 | airtonix | kills Fisker |
| 17:16.19 | Fisker | umad Gnarfoz ? |
| 17:16.33 | mikma | umbro |
| 17:32.18 | Gnarfoz | shadow? |
| 17:34.44 | Stanzilla | yes, hi |
| 17:36.13 | Gnarfoz | any tips for cho'gall hc |
| 17:36.14 | airtonix | upyro? |
| 17:39.06 | kullervo | don't stand in the fire |
| 17:39.55 | Fisker | reduce the hp of the boss to 0 while keeping your own HP above 0 |
| 17:40.30 | mikma | airtonix: disco inferno |
| 17:44.19 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: what's teh problim |
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| 18:09.51 | tardmrr | Anyone remember in a targa with alpha channel which color means opaque? |
| 18:10.04 | Cairenn | white/black |
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| 18:10.53 | tardmrr | well yeah |
| 18:11.01 | Cairenn | :p |
| 18:11.08 | tardmrr | but which is opaque and which is transparent |
| 18:11.12 | tardmrr | I'm thinking white is opaque |
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| 18:11.47 | nebula169 | false |
| 18:13.05 | Lunessa | Solid Black is the opaque color in the TARA standard. |
| 18:13.08 | tardmrr | well I'll know in a minue when this texture loads up if it's invisible or now |
| 18:13.10 | tardmrr | not |
| 18:14.05 | nebula169 | black fully is opaque, white is fully transparent |
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| 18:18.55 | tardmrr | nope |
| 18:19.03 | tardmrr | Solid Black is fully transparent |
| 18:19.08 | tardmrr | I should have gone with my gut |
| 18:23.28 | tardmrr | Hmm. does wow have a minimum size for targas? |
| 18:23.39 | tardmrr | I know there's a max |
| 18:23.51 | tardmrr | It doen't like my 12x12 |
| 18:24.00 | tardmrr | but it took it a minute ago when it was a 14x14 |
| 18:24.55 | tardmrr | oh I bet it just doesn't want me resizing the texture while the game is running |
| 18:28.46 | foxlit | I'll take that bet |
| 18:28.50 | foxlit | You owe me 10000$ |
| 18:30.33 | mckenziemc | sorry, the bet amount was -1 mil |
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| 18:45.21 | tardmrr | I think there is a mimum at 16x16 |
| 18:47.57 | zenzelezz | coding becomes more exciting after some Captain Morgans |
| 18:48.37 | A-KO | mmmmm |
| 18:48.47 | A-KO | I've got some Private Stock I brought to the local hackerspace earlier this week |
| 18:49.45 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 18:49.46 | Lunessa | Got a little Captain in you? Why stop there? Drink a lot! |
| 18:50.56 | foxlit | Quick, how do you counter mass banshee/viking/raven? |
| 18:51.45 | foxlit | (as zerg) |
| 18:51.56 | Jamash | mass queens |
| 18:51.56 | Lunessa | No clue. |
| 18:52.08 | foxlit | banshees will eat the queens. |
| 18:52.13 | Jamash | mass scourge |
| 18:52.21 | foxlit | wrong game. |
| 18:52.29 | Jamash | mass effect |
| 18:53.25 | foxlit | The answer, I think, is infestors |
| 18:53.43 | Jamash | oh you mean the zerg anti-air unit? never would have guessed |
| 18:53.44 | foxlit | the viking/banshee ball tends to clump; fungals should work. Nobody ever thinks of that, though |
| 18:53.59 | foxlit | you're probably thinking of corruptors |
| 18:54.04 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:54.06 | Jamash | I am |
| 18:54.15 | Fisker | hello foxlit |
| 18:54.27 | Jamash | also the banshees will eat the infestors |
| 18:55.08 | foxlit | fungal outranges banshees, but you're right -- with outrageous amounts of micro, you could probably counter infestors |
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| 18:55.29 | foxlit | corruptors wouldn't work for two reasons: you need a lot of them lest vikings kill them, and their attacks are countered by PDD. |
| 18:56.28 | Jamash | I think the zerg answer to mass banshee/viking/raven is don't let them build mass banshee/viking/raven |
| 18:56.29 | zenzelezz | offers Cairenn some of the Morgans |
| 18:56.38 | Cairenn | mmmmm |
| 18:56.42 | foxlit | Jamash: that's a counter to everything, though |
| 18:58.56 | foxlit | http://i.imgur.com/kymA3.jpg |
| 18:59.38 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:00.17 | Jamash | do PDD work on mutas? |
| 19:00.26 | foxlit | yes |
| 19:02.01 | Jamash | 100 hydras |
| 19:02.16 | foxlit | cloak |
| 19:02.23 | Cide | why would you pdd mutas -_- |
| 19:02.41 | foxlit | because we're playing "counter the terran air-ball" |
| 19:02.56 | Cide | oic |
| 19:03.02 | Jamash | the answer is "you're screwed" |
| 19:03.25 | Cide | but yeah, I would probably go hydra+infestor |
| 19:04.06 | Cide | and I don't see how you could outmicro the infestors |
| 19:04.11 | Cide | just drop a few fungals and burrow |
| 19:04.40 | tardmrr | PDD works on ANYTHING zerg has that can hit air |
| 19:04.51 | tardmrr | it seems like it could be a pretty serious problem |
| 19:04.54 | foxlit | Aren't hydras instant? |
| 19:05.06 | Cide | instant? |
| 19:05.18 | foxlit | not projectile, that is. |
| 19:05.24 | foxlit | And no, they aren't :( |
| 19:05.26 | Cide | they have projectiles |
| 19:05.28 | Cide | and also |
| 19:05.47 | Cide | how many ravens would you need for PDD to become a serious problem |
| 19:06.04 | Cide | not to mention banshees and vikings |
| 19:06.26 | Cide | hydra+infestor would own them |
| 19:07.29 | Jamash | apparently infested terrans can kill PDD |
| 19:07.40 | tardmrr | oh actually I'm wrong |
| 19:07.41 | foxlit | yeah, same deal as marines. |
| 19:07.46 | tardmrr | infested terrans don't have a projectile |
| 19:07.54 | tardmrr | and neither does fungal so that would work too |
| 19:08.07 | Cide | yeah I don't see how you could go wrong with infestor hydra |
| 19:08.25 | tardmrr | how about the part where you made hydras? |
| 19:08.26 | foxlit | fungal does less for you if the ball is not in a ball |
| 19:08.39 | Cide | vs terran air, tardmrr |
| 19:09.09 | tardmrr | honestly, I'm just going to kill a terran going air before I would consider making hydras |
| 19:09.27 | tardmrr | I just need to be better at smelling blood in the water |
| 19:09.31 | foxlit | hydras in general are problematic -- they're slow off creep, expensive, and die to banshees relatively easily |
| 19:10.06 | foxlit | plus you wouldn't normally go hydra against terran, and by the time you scout the air transition, you're probably in trouble. |
| 19:10.55 | Cide | wut |
| 19:11.02 | Cide | how many banshees are we talking |
| 19:11.47 | foxlit | upwards of 10. |
| 19:12.35 | foxlit | let me see wht I can dig out of the replay |
| 19:17.43 | foxlit | 13 |
| 19:17.58 | foxlit | along 16 vikings and a pitiful single raven :( |
| 19:18.25 | mckenziemc | hmm, the GTA 3 police just donated a police car to me |
| 19:18.44 | mckenziemc | they chased me into my garage |
| 19:19.10 | Cide | say 10 banshees |
| 19:19.42 | Cide | that's 1.5k minerals, 1k gas, which gives 15 hydras with gas to spare |
| 19:19.55 | Cide | add in ravens and vikings and you should be able to handle that |
| 19:20.55 | mikma | haste: http://imgur.com/gallery/uH7h0 |
| 19:22.39 | foxlit | banshees both outdps hydras and have more health :) |
| 19:22.40 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU75uz0b8EU < good stuff |
| 19:23.19 | Cide | except they get outranged I'm sure |
| 19:23.22 | Cide | and is that per resource? |
| 19:23.33 | Cide | you get more than 1.5x the number of banshees in hydras |
| 19:23.40 | foxlit | no, that's 1:1 |
| 19:23.44 | foxlit | same range, too |
| 19:23.49 | Cide | with upgrade? |
| 19:23.54 | foxlit | with upgrade |
| 19:24.03 | Cide | interesting |
| 19:24.52 | Cide | banshees have insane range then |
| 19:24.56 | foxlit | just 6 |
| 19:25.45 | Cide | lua> 250/150 |
| 19:25.46 | lua_bot | Cide: 1.6666666666667 |
| 19:26.13 | foxlit | like 1.75x health, and 1.32x dps. |
| 19:26.35 | Cide | lua> 14.5*250/150 |
| 19:26.35 | lua_bot | Cide: 24.166666666667 |
| 19:26.46 | Cide | higher dps per resource for hydras though |
| 19:27.27 | Cide | naively assuming minerals and gas are equal whereas in reality it's probably skewed even more toward hydras |
| 19:28.26 | foxlit | There are some annoying assumptions. |
| 19:28.33 | Cide | indeed |
| 19:28.48 | Cide | plus fungal does 30 hp |
| 19:29.06 | Cide | but if you bring in infestors you have to bring in ravens I guess |
| 19:33.12 | tardmrr | yay done updating shako |
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| 20:07.14 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 20:07.15 | Fisker | beta? |
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| 20:32.36 | Fisker | naw Sixen |
| 20:32.37 | Fisker | naaaaaaaaaw |
| 20:34.26 | Fisker | NOT COOL Kaelten |
| 20:34.29 | Fisker | not cool :( |
| 20:36.57 | Alram | stop Fisker |
| 20:36.58 | Alram | stop |
| 20:37.14 | Fisker | you stopping me Alram ? |
| 20:37.15 | cbreak | A coworker of mine has the beta. |
| 20:37.30 | Alram | just did |
| 20:37.48 | Fisker | oh ok cbreak |
| 20:37.52 | Fisker | call him a dick for me will you? |
| 20:37.58 | cbreak | no. |
| 20:38.07 | Fisker | why not? |
| 20:38.19 | cbreak | that's unfriendly |
| 20:38.32 | Fisker | so? |
| 20:38.43 | Alram | Fisker wouldnt know he has never had coworkers |
| 20:39.10 | Fisker | your mom is my coworker |
| 20:39.18 | Alram | umad? |
| 20:39.43 | Fisker | umad |
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| 20:51.58 | Stanzilla | Fisker: no beta |
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| 20:56.22 | Arrowmaster | why cant it be christmas yet |
| 21:00.20 | zenzelezz | because then the year would be off by three months |
| 21:00.38 | Fisker | oh ok Stanzilla |
| 21:02.50 | olafski | sir nevcairiel, are you around? :) |
| 21:05.16 | nevcairiel | nope |
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| 21:05.44 | olafski | damn :( |
| 21:06.44 | olafski | I was wondering if I can set up the scroll wheel on the G500 to "unlock" when I scroll fast, like I could on my mx revolution.. not sure how else to describe it, but I can't find it in setpoint =( |
| 21:07.10 | acethebunny | rawr. takes at least 80 seconds for me to load into a toon ... |
| 21:07.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:07.47 | Shirik | one of the "ads" when I log into bank of america: |
| 21:07.48 | nevcairiel | you can press the button just below the scroll wheel to unlock it |
| 21:07.49 | Nobgul | acethebunny, running a lot of addons? |
| 21:07.50 | Shirik | "Retirement is getting closer. Isnât it time you learned the basics of retirement investing? We can help»" |
| 21:07.54 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i hate LA weather |
| 21:07.54 | acethebunny | yes, Nobgul. :x |
| 21:08.04 | Shirik | They called me old |
| 21:08.10 | acethebunny | I need to turn on WarmUp and see what is causing the slowness... |
| 21:08.12 | Nobgul | Ever thought of using acp and loading them in game. |
| 21:08.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: no, retirement is always getting closer |
| 21:08.40 | Thunder_Child | even if you are 5 |
| 21:09.02 | nevcairiel | shirik is 5? |
| 21:09.04 | Shirik | but you would have to admit when you're 5 it isn't "time to learn the basics of retirement investing" |
| 21:10.06 | Thunder_Child | you also can not have your own bank account at 5 either so you would never see that message, so thats irrelephant |
| 21:10.33 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: in AI years or human years? |
| 21:10.38 | acethebunny | Nobgul, UI reloads are slow too, so loading them in ACP after logging in wouldn't really make it any faster. Would probably make it longer, having to log into a toon, and then reload to turn on addons. |
| 21:11.14 | olafski | nevcairiel: yeah.. my previous mouse would do that automatically :P |
| 21:11.18 | Nobgul | Hrmm, i guess with my wifes laptop it seems to be quicker. She has the same issue 2 minute load ups |
| 21:11.32 | nevcairiel | olafski: i dont think any mouse except that could ever do that. :P |
| 21:11.41 | olafski | bah. it's a great feature imo |
| 21:11.59 | olafski | scroll precise when you need it, but when you need to cruise through a page quickly, it'd do that too :{ |
| 21:12.17 | acethebunny | Nobgul, is her laptop not that great, or does she run just way too many addons? |
| 21:13.15 | Nobgul | To many addons |
| 21:13.23 | Nobgul | It is a brand newish i5 |
| 21:14.26 | Mikk | running warmup is always instructive |
| 21:14.27 | Mikk | do it =) |
| 21:14.37 | cbreak | reloadui takes maybe 5 to 10 seconds here |
| 21:14.47 | acethebunny | Pawn is taking .850 sec - RaidAchievement is taking .635 - ZygorGuidesViewer is taking .530 (and has 18MB of garbage...) - epgp is taking .885 |
| 21:14.57 | acethebunny | avg load time per addon is about .180 |
| 21:15.12 | acethebunny | total time was 57 seconds |
| 21:15.16 | acethebunny | on this toon at least. |
| 21:15.22 | cbreak | whoa. |
| 21:15.25 | Cide | get a faster computer or fewer addons? |
| 21:15.44 | cbreak | get an SSD, more RAM and delete the addons you don't need :) |
| 21:15.47 | Nobgul | Yea that would drive me nuts. I have far to many 85's and seitch to often for that |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | an avg of .180 and a total of 57 seconds, you must be running a whole shitload of addons. :P |
| 21:16.02 | acethebunny | lol Nobgul |
| 21:16.03 | Mikk | install addonloader if you havent already |
| 21:16.30 | Mikk | not that every addon in the world supports it but a fair few does |
| 21:16.36 | Mikk | so it helps to take some pain out |
| 21:16.39 | foxlit | just kill saved variables |
| 21:16.44 | acethebunny | <.< ACP shows about 300 addons, but a lot of them are modules for other addons (like there's a ton of addons for BigWigs and other addons) |
| 21:16.59 | Mikk | the bigwigs modules you dont have to worry about |
| 21:17.04 | Mikk | they just get loaded when you zone into that raid |
| 21:17.09 | acethebunny | I know. the are all LOD |
| 21:17.32 | acethebunny | that was just an example of some of the ones that inflate the number. |
| 21:17.35 | foxlit | just go through wtf/*/*/SavedVariables |
| 21:17.38 | Mikk | of course another way to reduce load time is to install libraries separately |
| 21:17.39 | Mikk | it does help |
| 21:17.41 | foxlit | find the ones with the largest size |
| 21:17.43 | foxlit | and blame those addons |
| 21:17.52 | acethebunny | Last time I counted the different addons I have, It was 130. |
| 21:18.03 | acethebunny | One of the big things that makes it slow is Aucctioneer scandata. |
| 21:18.17 | nevcairiel | so only load it when you go to an auction house |
| 21:18.35 | acethebunny | i want it else where and dnot' want to manually load it after logging in. if |
| 21:18.37 | olafski | and I thought I use a lot of addons :P |
| 21:19.03 | acethebunny | if i knew a way to have it load after logging in/reloading, that'd be nice. would speed up load and just make a bit of fps lag when it does load the scan data |
| 21:19.16 | acethebunny | that's what everyone says to me, olafski :x |
| 21:20.38 | nevcairiel | my addon folder has 183 folders, but that includes modules of stuff, blizzard addons, and libraries |
| 21:20.54 | acethebunny | i'm scared to check mine |
| 21:21.10 | acethebunny | 538 folders .... |
| 21:21.33 | olafski | 160 here.. but there are quite a few addons that are for 1-2 chars only |
| 21:21.43 | acethebunny | i have a few like that |
| 21:22.15 | Nobgul | I have a ton of addons as well. Just got a new pc too. Runs like a champ |
| 21:22.26 | acethebunny | Raven for example. i only use on my druid. and it's got a few folders. RSA has a folder for every class, but i only play 4 |
| 21:22.29 | olafski | do you really need all of those addons? :s |
| 21:22.50 | cbreak | per character config |
| 21:23.05 | acethebunny | there are maybe 20 i could live without, last i checked. but i wouldn't be happy. |
| 21:23.11 | acethebunny | and i have a lot of addons that do tiny things |
| 21:23.21 | olafski | :) |
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| 21:23.43 | nevcairiel | as long as the addons don't do a whole lot of things, but you only use a tiny thing out of them... |
| 21:24.07 | olafski | yeah should be ok.. but like 3 times as many addons as me, I wonder what all of them do :) |
| 21:24.09 | acethebunny | clearing recount and deathnote and forcing garbage collection, i'm sitting at 120MB of addon memory usage |
| 21:24.32 | olafski | 37 here |
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| 21:24.40 | acethebunny | lol. you can see my whole list of addons in a ticket for InspectFix |
| 21:24.48 | olafski | but memory itself doesn't matter too much I think |
| 21:25.06 | acethebunny | I've hit 280MB of addon memory in a 25 man raid >.> |
| 21:25.22 | acethebunny | i have an addiction |
| 21:25.26 | olafski | obviously :) |
| 21:25.31 | olafski | you could start by replacing recount + omen with skada ;) |
| 21:25.33 | acethebunny | and it gets worse if i get on curse, wowi or wowace and browse... |
| 21:25.41 | acethebunny | I tried skada. |
| 21:25.43 | acethebunny | didn't like it |
| 21:25.55 | olafski | hm I prefer it.. but that's up to you +) |
| 21:26.00 | olafski | looks pretty much the same to me |
| 21:26.12 | acethebunny | i could get a lot better FPS if i got rid of some of the addons that parse the combat log though :| |
| 21:26.12 | Nobgul | I prefer recount as well |
| 21:26.28 | olafski | acethebunny: what do all those addons that parse the clog do? |
| 21:26.31 | acethebunny | The ONLY thing I like about skada, is that you can have multiple windows at once |
| 21:27.39 | olafski | the thing I don't like about recount is that it has a bunch of stuff I never use :P |
| 21:28.32 | acethebunny | Recount, mSBT, DeathNote, WhoInterrupted, AdiCCMonitor(if i typed it right). Those are the ones I can think of that I know parse the log. there are probalby a couple more |
| 21:28.33 | olafski | not like I much look at damage meters anyway but it fills the screen |
| 21:29.53 | olafski | those shouldn't make your memory usage so high though.. but I guess they can kill performance a bit :) |
| 21:30.10 | acethebunny | memory isn't what kills my fps. addons using CPU time is |
| 21:30.45 | olafski | you did the cpu profiling thingy I assume |
| 21:30.51 | acethebunny | yes |
| 21:31.04 | acethebunny | i could also turn that off when i don't actually need it <.< |
| 21:31.26 | cbreak | in general, memory usage can be in two forms: dynamic and static memory |
| 21:31.36 | cbreak | static memory just makes GC runs slower |
| 21:31.50 | cbreak | but dynamic memory costs you a lot of time for collecting and allocating memory |
| 21:31.51 | acethebunny | turning off forcing of loading auctioneer scan data lowered load time to 48 seconds. |
| 21:32.05 | olafski | lol, yes, you should really turn off CPU profiling when you're not using it :P |
| 21:32.13 | acethebunny | lol. |
| 21:32.27 | acethebunny | I always forget to turn it off |
| 21:32.34 | olafski | :s |
| 21:32.39 | olafski | my fps like halves when I turn that on |
| 21:32.41 | olafski | how can you forget :P |
| 21:33.02 | acethebunny | i should have checked what my fps was before reloading to turn it off... |
| 21:33.19 | olafski | if you don't notice the difference between normal and half I guess you're fine :P |
| 21:33.39 | olafski | my usual fps is between 30 and 60, I notice it when it halves without looking at the number :P |
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| 21:34.23 | acethebunny | turning off profiling didn't make loading any faster. =p |
| 21:37.23 | Cide | do you have taint logging enabled |
| 21:37.31 | acethebunny | heh.. i have fps capped at 60 and i was getting 60 i think with profiling on and with it off... but in a raid it might be different. |
| 21:37.41 | acethebunny | i'm not sure, Cide, to be honest... |
| 21:37.56 | acethebunny | I turned it on once, but i dont remember if i turned it off. |
| 21:37.56 | Cide | then check? |
| 21:38.15 | nevcairiel | taint logging will most definately give you issues, especially if its set to 2 |
| 21:38.40 | acethebunny | I appear to have it on. las addition to it was 140am last night |
| 21:38.59 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 21:39.41 | Cide | then I suggest you turn it off |
| 21:39.43 | acethebunny | what's the cvar to turn tainting logging off, if anyone knows it off the top of their head |
| 21:40.21 | Gnarfoz | /console taintLog 0 |
| 21:40.38 | acethebunny | k |
| 21:40.40 | Gnarfoz | !api taintlog |
| 21:40.40 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'taintlog'. |
| 21:40.42 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 21:40.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's correct |
| 21:41.10 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 21:41.17 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 21:41.20 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 21:41.23 | Gnarfoz | who's the girl? |
| 21:41.25 | Fisker | me |
| 21:41.39 | Gnarfoz | you're a girl? |
| 21:42.04 | Fisker | no |
| 21:42.14 | Gnarfoz | that's what I thought |
| 21:51.45 | acethebunny | 50:46|You have spent 2.6% (9.1% since release) of your life in-game, divided among 4 character(s) on 2 realm(s). |
| 21:51.50 | acethebunny | :| |
| 21:52.06 | olafski | definitely sounds like a useful addon |
| 21:52.09 | olafski | need to know information! |
| 21:52.15 | acethebunny | 9.1% since release... and I started playing in 3.2 |
| 21:52.34 | acethebunny | lol olafski, yeha, that's one of the useless addons, but it's very small |
| 21:52.49 | olafski | I had 4000 hours played when I sold my account 2 months before TBC released |
| 21:53.06 | olafski | excluding chars I deleted |
| 21:53.09 | acethebunny | not even in my top 50 memeoy usage addons (and 50th is using354KB |
| 21:53.20 | olafski | I think I calculated that averaged like 7 hours a day since release :P |
| 21:53.24 | acethebunny | lol |
| 21:53.52 | olafski | my 15th uses 250kb :P |
| 21:55.04 | foxlit | so, dw. |
| 21:55.08 | foxlit | Anticlimactic or what? |
| 21:56.05 | olafski | what be dw :[ |
| 21:56.08 | olafski | dual wield? |
| 21:56.18 | olafski | dragon's wrath? |
| 21:57.19 | foxlit | doctor who. |
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| 22:00.09 | Lunessa | Ciao, tutti. |
| 22:00.17 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: is it christmas yet? |
| 22:00.32 | foxlit | no preview, Arrowmaster? |
| 22:00.54 | Arrowmaster | i didnt see one in the copy i downloaded |
| 22:01.38 | acethebunny | olafski, my 15th uses 2.2MB |
| 22:05.33 | olafski | oh.. never watched that :P |
| 22:05.42 | olafski | acethebunny: you _are_ addicted :P |
| 22:15.15 | acethebunny | olafski, yes, yes i am |
| 22:15.45 | Stanzilla | foxlit: hate waiting till christmas :( |
| 22:15.48 | acethebunny | I try to stay away from curse and wowi... i don't even like getting on wowi to check for updates... cuz i always find some new addon ... |
| 22:15.58 | foxlit | what are you waiting for, anyway? |
| 22:16.40 | Stanzilla | something, idk |
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| 22:22.28 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 22:22.42 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 22:22.47 | Stanzilla | I got a mail today |
| 22:22.55 | Fisker | scams suck Stanzilla |
| 22:22.57 | Stanzilla | it had "welcome" and "beta" in the subject |
| 22:23.03 | Stanzilla | but it was for battlefield :( |
| 22:23.14 | Fisker | umad |
| 22:23.17 | Stanzilla | imad |
| 22:27.49 | haste | Fisker: maybeshewill - not for want of trying! |
| 22:30.54 | Zasurus | Hi guys. Is there a maximum array size in lua (for wow)? |
| 22:31.12 | Fisker | you betrayed the law haste |
| 22:31.59 | Arrowmaster | theres a theoretical max but not a max you are likely to ever hit |
| 22:32.17 | Arrowmaster | unless you want to save the array to savedvars then there is a different max |
| 22:33.17 | Zasurus | no just in memory. It's just icons on a minimap (like gatherer points) so fairly sure it wouldn't hit it just wanted to make sure it wasn't something stupidly small! ;) |
| 22:33.22 | Zasurus | Thaks Arrowmaster |
| 22:36.36 | olafski | acethebunny: just counted, I use 33 addons on my main, and a few modules for those addons :] |
| 22:36.59 | olafski | (and while counting that I managed to spot one that I didn't need and turned it off.. actually found a few I don't "need" but I left them on :P) |
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| 23:15.19 | Silversage | Anyone else getting locked out of their WoW account almost weekly? |
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| 23:21.57 | cbreak | Silversage: never ever. |
| 23:22.04 | cbreak | define "Locked Out"? |
| 23:22.20 | cbreak | you got parents with parental control? :) |
| 23:22.43 | cbreak | one of the raid group I am in had his authenticator run out of electrical power :( |
| 23:22.52 | Silversage | "We think your account might have been hacked. Please go to us.blizzard.net/.../...html to prove you're who you say you are." |
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| 23:23.48 | cbreak | scam? |
| 23:24.06 | Silversage | No, it's real. |
| 23:24.19 | Silversage | Shows up on the login screen. |
| 23:24.47 | Silversage | I go there, give my authenticator code, answer a security question, they send email to my account, I click a link there, and they make me changed my password. Again. |
| 23:25.19 | cbreak | have you ever given your password to someone else? |
| 23:25.30 | cbreak | or log in from different computers/IPs? |
| 23:25.35 | Silversage | It's not a scam. |
| 23:25.46 | Silversage | It's Blizzard trying to catch scammers. |
| 23:26.07 | cbreak | if you have given your password to anyone else |
| 23:26.10 | Silversage | I log in from about 5 different IP blocks. |
| 23:26.12 | cbreak | or are logging from different computers |
| 23:26.21 | Silversage | I use an authenticator. |
| 23:26.22 | cbreak | then they might detect that as abuse |
| 23:26.35 | Silversage | They couldn't log in even if they did know my password. Which they don't. |
| 23:26.45 | cbreak | espcially if the different IP blocks are in different countries, or maybe just different providers |
| 23:27.28 | Silversage | Not different countries. But different providers. Yes, that what they're detecting. But it's becoming a pain in the ass. I don't want my password changing weekly. Ergo, my question. |
| 23:28.07 | cbreak | I haven't met anyone who logs in from such different subnets. |
| 23:28.20 | mckenziemc | i did when i was logging in from a couple different places |
| 23:28.25 | cbreak | I've done it with two, which works |
| 23:28.55 | mckenziemc | idk if logging into each place more frequently would keep it from complaining |
| 23:29.22 | mckenziemc | it seemed like i would only get locked out when switching if i hadn't logged in from that location for over a week |
| 23:29.39 | Silversage | They keep telling me that. But I've been locked out 3 times in 4 weeks. |
| 23:29.43 | mckenziemc | but the DSL modem may have been switching IPs that often |
| 23:30.11 | Silversage | I log in from 3 places, but one places has multiple, rotating wireless access points. |
| 23:30.19 | Silversage | *place |
| 23:30.56 | mckenziemc | if you have multiple accounts, logging onto eeach one seemed to lock the whole b.net account, even right after you've changed teh password |
| 23:31.00 | mckenziemc | which was very annoying |
| 23:31.53 | Silversage | I have 2 accounts, but both tied to the same master account. Never had a problem with one account having access and the other not, though. |
| 23:32.52 | Silversage | And my usage pattern with the 2nd account is that I log onto it only when I'm going to dual-box, and I'm already logged into my main account. So I never see the lock-out on the 2nd account. |
| 23:33.40 | mckenziemc | it usually happens the next time i log onto either account |
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| 23:34.31 | Silversage | What's stupid is this: If they're going to believe that I'm me, in the end, and they *know* I have an authenticator, there's no reason for them any longer to believe that a hacker might have logged into my account. Therefore, there's no reason to make me change my password. |
| 23:35.09 | Silversage | If I didn't have an authenticator, making me change passwords would be a reasonable precaution. But with one, it's just stupidity. |
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| 23:36.58 | foxlit | you know, I have an authenticator |
| 23:37.06 | foxlit | But I haven't typed it in while logging into wow for ages |
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| 23:56.10 | Silversage | foxlit: If you keep coming in from the same IP address, they think that's good enough. |
| 23:57.22 | foxlit | I think they've said that that's not how it works |
| 23:59.16 | NickG365 | Silversage: Have you tried calling account services? They can prevent it from locking you out if you tell them what's up. |
| 23:59.57 | Silversage | I haven't tried calling them. But when I've sent email to them, they respond with "Working as intended." |
