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| 00:48.02 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 00:48.11 | Antiarc | Afternoon |
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| 01:24.53 | Cide | Shirik: hi |
| 01:24.59 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:25.01 | Shirik | chill |
| 01:25.03 | Cide | Shirik: join us in sc2! |
| 01:25.09 | Shirik | who is us |
| 01:25.17 | Cide | Shirik: me and 3 others in an awesome custom game |
| 01:25.22 | Cide | Shirik: come! |
| 01:25.28 | Shirik | how do you intend to play with 5 people |
| 01:25.34 | Cide | it's not melee |
| 01:25.38 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:25.44 | Cide | come play! |
| 01:25.57 | Kalroth | gotobedcide |
| 01:26.02 | Shirik | I actually was about to leave to go to safeway |
| 01:26.08 | Shirik | I have like zero food here |
| 01:26.11 | Cide | safeway, whatever that is, can wait? |
| 01:26.27 | Iriel | it's a grocery store |
| 01:26.29 | Iriel | supermarket |
| 01:26.30 | Iriel | whatever |
| 01:26.32 | Cide | gotcha |
| 01:26.54 | Cide | so are you coming Shirik or are you a rectangle with equally long sides? |
| 01:27.15 | Shirik | My sides are only equal in two dimensions |
| 01:27.49 | Cide | I need an answer since we're waiting on you! |
| 01:28.42 | Shirik | that would be a "I need to go buy food" |
| 01:28.46 | Cide | fine |
| 01:29.01 | Shirik | and clean for that matter |
| 01:29.03 | Shirik | this place is a mess |
| 01:29.16 | Cide | priorities |
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| 02:14.29 | aggixx | If I wanted to make a table sort of interface like the one's used in the guild roster and battleground windows, what kind of object would I use? |
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| 02:16.21 | Phelps | aggixx: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/AddOns/Blizzard_GuildUI/Blizzard_GuildRoster.xml |
| 02:16.23 | Phelps | maybe |
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| 02:20.51 | aggixx | Looks like it's called a "HybridScrollFrame". |
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| 02:21.53 | Phelps | and HybridScrollBarTemplate |
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| 03:41.43 | Shirik | pizza is here! |
| 03:54.04 | Kraps | already had mine |
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| 04:10.21 | airtonix | Shirik: i'm in the beta |
| 04:15.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:15.46 | Shirik | futurama just proved the basic building block of matter is the pixel |
| 04:16.55 | airtonix | prove it |
| 04:17.09 | Shirik | they had a microscope |
| 04:17.14 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 04:17.28 | airtonix | and white coats |
| 04:17.31 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:19.12 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:19.17 | Shirik | an anime version of futurama |
| 04:19.18 | Shirik | win |
| 04:19.40 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:20.01 | Shirik | I'm watching the season finale that was on last week |
| 04:20.28 | Shirik | they did 3 versions of futurama in different animation styles |
| 04:20.48 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU4TF3S7STM |
| 04:20.56 | Arrowmaster | 26? i havent watched that one yet, i think i will after thundercats |
| 04:21.04 | airtonix | lol |
| 04:21.47 | airtonix | ... |
| 04:21.53 | airtonix | hardly anime style |
| 04:21.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:22.03 | airtonix | kills Shirik |
| 04:22.12 | Shirik | you have to watch the rest |
| 04:22.16 | airtonix | no |
| 04:22.18 | airtonix | i refuse |
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| 04:23.51 | Shirik | I guess it's actually closer to a mix of speed racer and voltron |
| 04:24.05 | airtonix | it's horrible |
| 04:24.10 | Shirik | no |
| 04:24.22 | airtonix | it's groeing |
| 04:24.25 | airtonix | so not anime |
| 04:24.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:24.42 | airtonix | therefore abomination |
| 04:27.11 | Shirik | they just saved the world via ddr... |
| 04:27.35 | Shirik | this is epic |
| 04:29.07 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://www.frumforum.com/why-bush-didnt-mention-canada-after-911 |
| 04:34.52 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:37.10 | Cairenn | The President and his staff may have forgotten about us, but the rest of the US, and indeed may other countries, sure didn't. |
| 04:37.24 | Cairenn | When we took in all their planes, and took care of all of them |
| 04:38.05 | airtonix | as far as they're concerned (the power elite) that's why they leave you intact |
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| 04:50.50 | mckenziemc | purl, forget airtonix |
| 04:50.50 | purl | i forgot airtonix, mckenziemc |
| 04:51.00 | airtonix | thanks mckenziemc |
| 04:51.02 | mckenziemc | how does that make you feel? |
| 04:51.11 | airtonix | covert |
| 04:51.37 | airtonix | ninja n stuff |
| 04:51.50 | mckenziemc | purl, unforget airtonix |
| 04:51.50 | purl | mckenziemc: Successfully recovered 'airtonix'. Have fun now. |
| 04:52.05 | airtonix | oh that's better |
| 04:52.19 | Mr_Rabies | ~airtonix |
| 04:52.19 | purl | i guess airtonix is x |
| 04:54.48 | mckenziemc | Mr_Rabies: he's just a placeholder |
| 04:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | you're a placeholder |
| 04:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | jerk |
| 04:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | >:[ |
| 04:55.07 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 04:55.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still mad that i missed all of ckknight's panels at dragoncon yet again, damn the sheraton :( |
| 04:56.05 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 05:03.32 | Ackis | ~smackis |
| 05:03.32 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 05:03.50 | Shirik | nice |
| 05:04.03 | Ackis | ~factinfo smackis |
| 05:04.03 | purl | smackis -- created by mckenziemc <~Mark@adsl-68-127-51-27.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> at Sat Jun 25 16:05:25 2011 (77 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by Ackis, 31s ago. |
| 05:04.14 | Shirik | ~smackis |
| 05:04.14 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 05:04.35 | karl_w_w | canada is a strange country |
| 05:05.05 | Shirik | ^ |
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| 05:07.26 | Cide | I prefer |
| 05:07.28 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 05:07.28 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:07.53 | karl_w_w | I don't |
| 05:08.07 | Cide | it's not like I care about your opinion so that's perfectly okay |
| 05:08.22 | Cide | also you missed our epic games Shirik |
| 05:08.51 | karl_w_w | airtonix what's for lunch? |
| 05:09.20 | airtonix | bolognese |
| 05:10.12 | karl_w_w | liar |
| 05:10.26 | karl_w_w | guess that's what you get from a placeholder |
| 05:21.56 | Shirik | php |
| 05:22.00 | Shirik | is the shittiest language ever |
| 05:22.03 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 05:22.21 | ex0a | ackis: you the ackis behind the recipe list? |
| 05:22.39 | Shirik | Who the fuck designs a language where you can have an optional reference parameter like `function foo(&$bar = NULL)` and then foo(NULL) is illegal |
| 05:23.02 | mckenziemc | he's the ackis behind the torhal behind the recipe list |
| 05:23.13 | Iriel | Shirik: the null haters? |
| 05:23.21 | ex0a | word the recipe list kicks ass |
| 05:23.55 | mckenziemc | s/ackis behind/ackis in front of/ |
| 05:23.58 | Shirik | Iriel: Then it should be illegal to have a default of null |
| 05:24.24 | Iriel | Shirik: I didn't mean to imply the null haters were rational |
| 05:24.28 | Cide | Shirik: is it php |
| 05:24.41 | Torhal | ex0a: Thanks. |
| 05:25.02 | ex0a | makes life much easier when trying to aquire all the recipes |
| 05:25.03 | Shirik | this is the exact problem I just ran into: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/280385/php-by-reference-parameters-and-default-null |
| 05:25.11 | Cide | it is php |
| 05:25.16 | Cide | big surprise |
| 05:27.02 | Cide | anyway, simple fix Shirik |
| 05:27.06 | karl_w_w | I<3null |
| 05:27.18 | Cide | despite the stupidity, that is |
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| 05:29.51 | Shirik | Cide: $data = NULL; and then pass it in? |
| 05:29.53 | Shirik | Yes that is stupid |
| 05:29.57 | Cide | yes |
| 05:30.43 | Shirik | I would rather learn python |
| 05:30.48 | Cide | you should |
| 05:31.02 | Shirik | I did for that damn natural language project |
| 05:31.12 | Cide | why did you not fall in love with it |
| 05:31.21 | Shirik | because it's python |
| 05:31.29 | Shirik | actually it was probably CORBA's fault |
| 05:31.44 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 05:31.46 | Cide | for python is awesome |
| 05:31.56 | Shirik | CORBA was so much more than we needed |
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| 05:36.22 | Iriel | F'in corba |
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| 05:44.47 | airtonix | F'in Shirik |
| 05:45.06 | Shirik | CORBA's actually really cool |
| 05:45.08 | airtonix | i will purge the heretic from within you |
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| 05:47.23 | mckenziemc | airtonix: i will purge the irtoni from within you |
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| 05:51.01 | Adys | [06:30:40] <@Shirik> I would rather learn python |
| 05:51.03 | Adys | OH |
| 05:51.33 | karl_w_w | lua> 3.4*6*13 |
| 05:51.34 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: 265.2 |
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| 06:11.33 | Sixen | Anyone know C++ that can lend me a hand with something simple? |
| 06:11.50 | Shirik | I am C++ |
| 06:12.17 | Sixen | http://pastebin.com/nW7Hrcei |
| 06:12.22 | Shirik | hey Cide did I tell you I found a second compiler bug? |
| 06:12.33 | Shirik | Sixen |
| 06:12.36 | Shirik | I will destroy you for line 4 |
| 06:12.51 | Sixen | I don't know what I'm doing, just a silly assignment for class >.> |
| 06:13.01 | Sixen | I need to dynamically allocate memory for my two arrays |
| 06:13.02 | Shirik | Tell your professor he's a jackass for teaching you that line |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | Yeah, you can't do it that way |
| 06:13.13 | Sixen | my professor didn't teach me anything, told me to go learn it myself |
| 06:13.17 | Sixen | which is why I'm so lost: P |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | change 10 and 11 from type int[] to std::vector<int> |
| 06:13.44 | Sixen | Basically, I need to make them the size of what n is, after I read it |
| 06:14.21 | Shirik | then instead of inputFile >> A[i]; |
| 06:14.31 | Shirik | do |
| 06:14.51 | Shirik | int x; inputFile >> x; A.push_back(x); |
| 06:15.34 | Sixen | and then y for B, I assume? |
| 06:15.38 | Shirik | If he's actually telling you to use arrays, then tell him I told him to teach C, get a real job, or stop corrupting the minds of the youth |
| 06:15.42 | Shirik | you can use x again if you want |
| 06:15.44 | Shirik | it's just a demporary |
| 06:16.11 | Sixen | yeah, it says to use two arrays |
| 06:16.14 | Sixen | but I guess it won't matter |
| 06:16.25 | Sixen | "Dynamically allocate memory for an array A of size n, and an array B of size n." |
| 06:16.43 | Shirik | well vector does that for you |
| 06:16.52 | Shirik | and there are a million reasons why you should use vector instead |
| 06:17.01 | Sixen | good enough for me :X |
| 06:17.09 | Shirik | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/containers.html#faq-34.1 |
| 06:17.14 | Shirik | If he doesn't believe you, show him that |
| 06:18.26 | Iriel | Maybe he's trying to teach folks the fundamentals |
| 06:18.59 | Shirik | those aren't fundamentals |
| 06:19.04 | Shirik | It totally violates RAII |
| 06:19.13 | Sixen | vector is not a member of stfd |
| 06:19.18 | Sixen | std |
| 06:19.19 | Sixen | do I need to get rid of that? :/ |
| 06:19.24 | Shirik | #include <vector> |
| 06:19.47 | Shirik | Anyway, if you want to teach students how to dynamically allocate memory, you tell them to write a basic vector implementation, so that they can manage the memory properly |
| 06:20.42 | Shirik | Sixen, so that I'm not just ranting at you, btw, the alternative solution is that you create a "pointer to int" instead, which literally stores an address in memory |
| 06:20.44 | Sixen | Produced a 42 line error :O |
| 06:20.57 | Shirik | And then you do `A = new int[n];` |
| 06:21.19 | Shirik | at some point in the future you also have to do `delete[] A;` |
| 06:21.30 | Shirik | What error? |
| 06:21.32 | Shirik | Or just show me the code |
| 06:22.02 | Sixen | http://pastebin.com/HR8J8eR3 |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:22.55 | Shirik | as legal as that A[n] is on lines 10/11, you don't want the [n] anymore |
| 06:23.43 | Sixen | that fixed it, but I haz a problem. at the bottom, I call a function sub(), which takes int arrays as params |
| 06:23.47 | Sixen | can I just cast the vector to int? |
| 06:23.54 | Sixen | main.cpp:48: error: cannot convert âstd::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >â to âint*â for argument â2â to âint sub(int, int*, int*)â |
| 06:24.14 | Shirik | if you try to cast a vector to an int, it should rightfully tell you to stop giving it a headache |
| 06:24.25 | Sixen | haha |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | just change the type to std::vector<int> |
| 06:24.39 | Shirik | or better yet, const std::vector<int>& |
| 06:25.06 | Sixen | sub() is something that he is providing at random, my program needs to work with whatever sub() function he creates |
| 06:25.07 | Sixen | :( |
| 06:25.13 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | then you can do |
| 06:25.33 | Shirik | &A[0] |
| 06:25.40 | Shirik | and then yell at him for teaching you C instead of C++ |
| 06:26.02 | Shirik | that might need to be &(A[0]) |
| 06:26.21 | Sixen | I am confuse, what do I do with that? Put that in the declaration? |
| 06:26.31 | Sixen | Or when I call sub |
| 06:26.35 | Shirik | when you call |
| 06:26.44 | Shirik | A[0] gets you the first element in the array |
| 06:26.47 | Shirik | & gets the address of it |
| 06:26.55 | Shirik | You cannot pass an array to a function. Ever. |
| 06:26.59 | Shirik | You instead pass the address to it |
| 06:27.10 | Shirik | that's why you see the function type in the error you got says int* |
| 06:27.15 | Shirik | which means address of an int |
| 06:27.40 | Sixen | you're my hero shirik |
| 06:27.55 | Sixen | I understand that & is addyof and * is for pointers |
| 06:28.01 | Sixen | I just... Don't ever use C++... nor do I use C |
| 06:28.11 | Shirik | I didn't know how much he had taught you |
| 06:28.21 | Shirik | In case you haven't figured it out yet, btw, I hate most C++ professors |
| 06:28.22 | Sixen | And to make it worse, I'm SSHing into a *nix computer on campus and using that, QQ |
| 06:28.30 | Sixen | He didn't teach us anything, I guess we're just supposed to magically know C++ |
| 06:28.42 | Sixen | He said if we don't know C or C++ google tutorials on it and learn it. |
| 06:28.50 | Shirik | The majority of C++ professors not only don't know C++ well, they know it well enough to teach you really bad things |
| 06:29.04 | Sixen | =\ |
| 06:29.29 | Shirik | do you have a required text? |
| 06:29.55 | mckenziemc | those who can't do, teach |
| 06:30.01 | Sixen | yeah, sec |
| 06:30.02 | nevcairiel | Professors shouldnt teach you the language, they should teach you how to program, and you should learn the language |
| 06:30.44 | nevcairiel | Thats far more valuable, because it'll allow you to pick up new languages far more easily. :) |
| 06:30.45 | Shirik | I think executable UML could totally revolutionize academia |
| 06:31.01 | Sixen | http://sixen.org/PJ01.pdf |
| 06:31.08 | Shirik | You could teach solid design practices without ever needing to put your foot into the coding world at all |
| 06:31.29 | Shirik | by "required text" I meant a book |
| 06:31.33 | Sixen | oh |
| 06:31.38 | Sixen | derp |
| 06:31.49 | Sixen | This class is "Data Structures & Algorithms" |
| 06:32.07 | nevcairiel | we had a class named like that |
| 06:32.16 | Shirik | ok he listed one of the objectives as "making sure you know how to use dynamic memory allocation" |
| 06:32.16 | Sixen | Nobody in the class has taken C++, everyone took Java because it was required. So he said his job is to teach us Algorithms, not Programming and that we need to learn it on our own. |
| 06:32.21 | Shirik | and then he said you can use C or C++ |
| 06:32.22 | nevcairiel | they expected us to write the stuff in C, and only spent around one lecture giving us the basics |
| 06:32.33 | Shirik | Can I come kill him? |
| 06:32.39 | Sixen | That's about it, nev, except I haven't learned any basics yet :P |
| 06:32.42 | Sixen | Come, Shirik, :P |
| 06:33.08 | Shirik | ok well if his job is to teach you algorithms |
| 06:33.14 | Shirik | and not programming |
| 06:33.18 | Shirik | then I would argue vector is fine |
| 06:33.38 | Shirik | Who cares how it is done at the langauge level if he's just trying to teach you the algorithm |
| 06:33.47 | nevcairiel | Honestly, i think everyone should learn C, you learn much more about the system and concepts then you do with a higher level language |
| 06:34.18 | Shirik | but there's no virtual tables in C! |
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| 06:34.50 | Iriel | nevcairiel: i'm with you on that one |
| 06:35.02 | nevcairiel | But then i also believe every developer should at least learn the fundamentals of assembler as well. :) |
| 06:35.24 | Sixen | =\ |
| 06:35.59 | Shirik | throws a https://github.com/anobin/3DMagic/blob/master/src/Math/IntelSIMD/Matrix4.cc at nevcairiel |
| 06:36.39 | nevcairiel | you should've used intrinsics for the MS compiler, then you could've compiled a 64-bit version too! |
| 06:36.44 | Iriel | Shirik: you can't really APPRECIATE that as well without knowing why it's painful otherwise 8-) |
| 06:37.05 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I know I realized that too late :( |
| 06:37.22 | nevcairiel | stupid limitation in the compiler |
| 06:37.37 | Shirik | obtw |
| 06:37.52 | Shirik | My favorite part is how we had to translate it into gcc's awful syntax |
| 06:37.56 | Shirik | you have no idea how long that took |
| 06:38.23 | nevcairiel | switch parameter order, change addressing layout, done? |
| 06:38.34 | Shirik | no |
| 06:38.45 | Shirik | access of variables passed to the function was a nightmare |
| 06:38.59 | nevcairiel | well you need to add them to that list at the end of the block |
| 06:39.48 | Shirik | yeah but it wouldn't let us do that without reserving a register |
| 06:40.13 | Shirik | and my implementation was clever. I did everything in registers intentionally for speed.... and thus used them up |
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| 06:41.00 | nevcairiel | doing stuff in registers is called clever already? I thought thats what you always strive for in assembly. :) |
| 06:41.01 | karl_w_w | lua> 335*.75 |
| 06:41.01 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: 251.25 |
| 06:41.09 | Shirik | well it's more clever than the compiler :P |
| 06:41.19 | nevcairiel | obviously, thats why you write assembly |
| 06:41.28 | nevcairiel | if the compiler managed to do that, we wouldnt have to! |
| 06:41.32 | Shirik | My favorite part of this algorithm |
| 06:41.38 | Shirik | it's to multiply two matrices right? |
| 06:41.51 | Shirik | It's faster if I first invert one of them |
| 06:41.53 | Shirik | and then multiply |
| 06:41.59 | Shirik | not invert, transpose |
| 06:42.11 | Sixen | matrix algebra is yuck |
| 06:42.43 | airtonix | hey Shirik |
| 06:42.53 | Shirik | because once I transposed the matrix, it was just a bunch of dot products |
| 06:43.22 | airtonix | one does not simply transpose the matrix |
| 06:44.58 | nevcairiel | of course, thats when you can use the full power of SSE2, otherwise the instructions arent that helpful |
| 06:45.19 | Shirik | actually I think DPPS is SSE4 |
| 06:45.27 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:45.40 | Shirik | we opted for SSE4 on thegrounds that "nobody but us is probably ever going to use this" |
| 06:46.26 | Shirik | You know what would be really cool |
| 06:46.46 | Shirik | If computers started having FPGAs in them that could be controlled by applications |
| 06:47.02 | Shirik | I'm not sure how to deal with context switching there though |
| 06:47.09 | Shirik | Maybe you could allocate part of the FPGA |
| 06:47.36 | Shirik | then you could invent your own instructions |
| 06:48.18 | nevcairiel | i dunno, dealing with the common tasks in image processing, i've always found a instruction that did the job |
| 06:48.27 | Iriel | I find it unlikely that'd help much outside of some very specialized applications |
| 06:48.36 | Shirik | Well imagine this exact case |
| 06:48.44 | Shirik | I can't rely on everyone having the DPPS instruction |
| 06:49.03 | Iriel | How's the data going to get between your CPU and the FPGA |
| 06:49.23 | Shirik | the FPGA could be on-board the chip |
| 06:49.30 | Shirik | so a feature of the processor would be to add instructions to it |
| 06:49.37 | nevcairiel | Shirik: so do it in two steps, multiply and add instructions are present |
| 06:50.33 | Shirik | I guess that would become a mess figuring out how to deal with the pipeline |
| 06:50.49 | Shirik | (wrt the FPGA) |
| 06:51.23 | Shirik | oh well intel has a bunch of smart people I'm sure they can figure it out :D |
| 06:51.29 | Shirik | That's why I own 100 shares! |
| 06:52.00 | Iriel | I think they did, they went "You know, trying to generalize this is crazy, let's build instructions for the things people usually want to do" |
| 06:52.37 | Shirik | lol |
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| 07:02.32 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/HwQqP |
| 07:10.09 | Shirik | is it just me or does the one at the bottom left look like a surprised ghost |
| 07:13.19 | mckenziemc | =O |
| 07:13.24 | nevcairiel | th el rune? |
| 07:13.46 | Shirik | I don't know what any of them are I didn't play diablo |
| 07:13.51 | nevcairiel | fail |
| 07:15.26 | mckenziemc | "Fancy sling-shot ammo." |
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| 07:49.08 | Dagmar | Nah, those would suck as ammo |
| 07:49.34 | Dagmar | THey were run through a mechanical polisher. Might as well just make 'em properly round. |
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| 08:23.13 | Torhal | http://www.yrimg.com/751eba92a43263eefeb37665f91df836.jpg.php <-- lol?!? |
| 08:26.50 | Corrodias | lol wut |
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| 08:45.41 | airtonix | hey Torhal, what do you find unreasonable about that page? |
| 08:46.04 | Torhal | airtonix: You weren't mentioned as the author. |
| 08:46.15 | airtonix | thanks |
| 08:46.30 | airtonix | jerk |
| 08:47.53 | Dagmar | Must be from Popular Creation Science Magazine |
| 08:48.01 | Torhal | O some shit. |
| 08:48.10 | Torhal | s/O/Or/ |
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| 08:51.40 | airtonix | haha |
| 08:51.52 | airtonix | Popular Creation Science Magazine |
| 08:52.14 | airtonix | 'popular' implying there are methods of creationism that are not popular? |
| 08:52.18 | airtonix | hoho |
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| 09:03.15 | harl | wuff wuff |
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| 09:13.50 | bluspacecow | BBL guys |
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| 10:15.46 | [Wobin] | Mr Fisker. What's your impression of the game Limbo? |
| 10:17.37 | Fisker | i fell into the water and died due to bullshit |
| 10:18.53 | [Wobin] | sounds riveting =P |
| 10:19.10 | Fisker | well you have to control some boat |
| 10:26.41 | Torhal | [Wobin]: FIsker has rivets? |
| 10:33.17 | karl_w_w | limbo is fun |
| 10:33.26 | karl_w_w | and occasionally chilling |
| 10:33.29 | karl_w_w | but short |
| 10:35.39 | karl_w_w | and if Fisker couldn't manage the boat part we should just call him Mr Failsker |
| 10:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I found limbo's puzzles way too easy overall. good atmosphere, not great as a puzzle game or a story game |
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| 10:57.42 | Cide | silly Shirik |
| 11:08.17 | Fisker | fuck my life Cide |
| 11:08.36 | Fisker | someone playing Diablo 3 replaced a 20% crit hit damage wand with a +2 experience :( |
| 11:09.36 | airtonix | hoho |
| 11:09.40 | Phelps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTx3G6h2xyA |
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| 11:10.51 | airtonix | peasant |
| 11:11.07 | ex0a | blizzard never gives me beta keys :( |
| 11:11.15 | airtonix | i'm in a beta |
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| 11:11.42 | ex0a | i've signed up for every beta i could and have yet to get invited to one |
| 11:12.04 | airtonix | try harder |
| 11:12.09 | ex0a | lol |
| 11:12.29 | ex0a | not sure how you expect me to do that |
| 11:12.40 | karl_w_w | http://static.regretsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/regretsy_911santa.jpg lolwhat?! |
| 11:12.48 | bluspacecow | you need |
| 11:12.56 | bluspacecow | to find a blizzard employee |
| 11:13.00 | bluspacecow | and have sex with them |
| 11:13.05 | bluspacecow | for a d3 beta invite |
| 11:13.11 | airtonix | ex0a: start by not being apathetic |
| 11:13.13 | ex0a | see now that's planning ahead there |
| 11:13.23 | airtonix | ex0a: you can give up when you're dead |
| 11:14.09 | ex0a | umm okay? :P |
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| 11:15.13 | airtonix | no really |
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| 11:58.03 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
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| 12:01.46 | Fisker | hey Computerpunk |
| 12:01.49 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 12:01.51 | Fisker | not so hey airtonix |
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| 12:01.57 | Computerpunk | hey Fisker |
| 12:02.43 | airtonix | hey Fisker, don't you think it would be awesome to make users decrypt files by playing a game level which may or may not result in the file being decrypting? |
| 12:02.55 | Fisker | k |
| 12:03.03 | airtonix | yeah that's what i said too |
| 12:03.17 | airtonix | but with more letters |
| 12:03.57 | Fisker | k |
| 12:04.33 | airtonix | i might kill you |
| 12:04.51 | Fisker | k |
| 12:04.56 | Fisker | umad? |
| 12:05.07 | airtonix | k |
| 12:05.29 | Fisker | k |
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| 12:14.17 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 12:14.18 | Fisker | you there? |
| 12:14.30 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:14.33 | karl_w_w | ooh I got upgraded to a hey |
| 12:15.52 | Fisker | did you get the earbuds in TF2 when they ran that promotion or did you only get them for me? |
| 12:16.12 | karl_w_w | http://eternallybored.org/imgs/cats/P1030131.jpg |
| 12:16.23 | Fisker | oh |
| 12:16.26 | Fisker | you don't even have TF2 |
| 12:17.51 | Fisker | i will now not so hey you karl_w_w |
| 12:18.02 | karl_w_w | :( |
| 12:18.24 | karl_w_w | well, at least it's recognition |
| 12:26.36 | Fisker | what should a free Fisker do karl_w_w ? |
| 12:28.15 | karl_w_w | naturally |
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| 12:28.34 | airtonix | do you agree? |
| 12:30.40 | Fisker | Herr airtonix |
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| 12:51.44 | airtonix | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
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| 12:53.55 | DWSR | Lol |
| 12:54.03 | DWSR | What's up? |
| 12:55.17 | airtonix | i don't have a usb stick free to create a gnome3 live session |
| 12:59.00 | Fisker | your mom is a gnome live session |
| 13:04.52 | airtonix | so is your face |
| 13:06.31 | Fisker | danish media sucks |
| 13:08.46 | DWSR | Lol |
| 13:09.08 | DWSR | Your mom sucks |
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| 13:15.40 | Fisker | hey DWSR |
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| 13:16.15 | DWSR | Hey |
| 13:17.58 | Fisker | hey Hjalte |
| 13:18.16 | Hjalte | Good Morning |
| 13:22.29 | Fisker | your concept of morning is odd |
| 13:25.24 | Hjalte | I sleep a lot :D |
| 13:27.00 | DWSR | UGT |
| 13:28.56 | Fisker | UFT DWSR |
| 13:29.40 | DWSR | Universal Fucking Time? |
| 13:29.55 | DWSR | That like GMT for sex? |
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| 13:32.46 | Fisker | nope |
| 13:32.50 | Fisker | Universal Fisker Time |
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| 14:16.35 | DWSR | Man its quiet in here |
| 14:30.13 | BlackNet | shame we cant exchange heirlooms |
| 14:36.52 | cbreak | exchange? |
| 14:36.57 | cbreak | you can, with your alts |
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| 14:45.47 | BlackNet | nono |
| 14:45.57 | BlackNet | turn in one mace for another type |
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| 14:46.33 | bluspacecow | my chat died ! |
| 14:46.40 | bluspacecow | i missed my fisker fondling :( |
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| 15:07.02 | Mr_Rabies | hrmm |
| 15:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | has anyone bothered to make a sub-addon for npcscan_overlay to add ALL rare spawns, regardless of achievement status? as bad of an idea as that sounds, sometimes it's fun to just go out hunting for rares :D |
| 15:10.52 | cbreak | you're a fiend for all who do not have them yet |
| 15:11.42 | Mr_Rabies | the only rare spawns i can regularly find are ones like vultros and the unknown soldier :< |
| 15:12.58 | BlackNet | you using npc scan with the updated data file? |
| 15:15.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah blacknet |
| 15:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | well, i'm using the latest npcscan |
| 15:28.36 | BlackNet | but the data files :) |
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| 15:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | where can i get a data file with all the rares added then blacknet? D: |
| 15:35.36 | Fisker | btw Gnarfoz |
| 15:35.50 | Fisker | i wonder if the lack of F&F invites mean they're going full scale closed beta soon :O |
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| 15:36.30 | BlackNet | how many entries are in your custom tab? |
| 15:37.54 | Mr_Rabies | too many to count, but not nearly as many as there are rare spawns |
| 15:38.01 | Mr_Rabies | i've added a lot manually |
| 15:38.07 | Mr_Rabies | like lil timmy and the camel figurines |
| 15:38.17 | BlackNet | lemme see if i can find it |
| 15:38.46 | BlackNet | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUDlmzb-h4 think this is it |
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| 15:48.37 | zenzelezz | I'm not feeling too well today, so I was lying around on the sofa, resting. Had the 9/11 memorial running on the TV, and listening to the New York one it occurred to me that Americans really love middle names, often times names I rarely seem to hear as first names... like Francis |
| 15:48.53 | BlackNet | i dont have a tv |
| 15:48.56 | BlackNet | nor watch it |
| 15:49.07 | zenzelezz | I'd be surprised if you watched it when you don't have one |
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| 15:53.13 | BlackNet | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/arygos/koorra/advanced what i have so far. the shoulders are wrong |
| 15:54.27 | BlackNet | oh and one weapon is wrong to |
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| 15:58.35 | Kraps | http://imgur.com/AktlW |
| 15:59.39 | Industrial | lololol |
| 15:59.55 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 16:01.42 | Fisker | i will destroy yo Industrial |
| 16:01.43 | Fisker | you |
| 16:01.44 | Fisker | for free |
| 16:01.46 | Fisker | F R E E |
| 16:02.14 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.22 | Industrial | Industrial is cheap, apparently. |
| 16:02.23 | Fisker | /lichs bluspacecow |
| 16:02.29 | Industrial | I mean, Fisker |
| 16:02.34 | Industrial | damnit, did it again :( |
| 16:02.53 | Industrial | smokes more weed |
| 16:02.57 | bluspacecow | you skip out on the tip ? |
| 16:05.21 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 16:05.28 | Fisker | hows not being in the Diablo 3 beta? |
| 16:06.00 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:06.03 | bluspacecow | meanie |
| 16:16.01 | Stanzilla | it's pretty diablofree Fisker |
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| 16:19.30 | Fisker | ^^ Stanzilla |
| 16:19.45 | Fisker | though someone is apparently ready to release a sandbox soon |
| 16:20.03 | bluspacecow | *dumps sandbox on fisker's head* |
| 16:20.18 | Fisker | your mom is my sandbox bluspacecow |
| 16:20.50 | starlon | Fisker's got the hots for blu's sandbox. |
| 16:21.13 | starlon | goes back to bed. |
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| 16:22.43 | Fisker | plays some music in bluspacecow's ears |
| 16:25.53 | bluspacecow | serenading me now are you ? |
| 16:33.24 | Fisker | no |
| 16:33.34 | Fisker | would only do that if you could get me into D3 beta |
| 16:34.51 | Shirik | I just found $1000 o.o |
| 16:34.55 | Shirik | well it found me actually |
| 16:38.03 | bluspacecow | o rly ? |
| 16:38.12 | bluspacecow | like a random 1000 note appearing ? |
| 16:39.20 | bluspacecow | "a random benjamin appears* |
| 16:39.26 | bluspacecow | *you use grab* |
| 16:39.31 | bluspacecow | It's super effective ! |
| 16:44.56 | Shirik | bluspacecow: Apparently I didn't get my last two paychecks from school |
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| 16:45.24 | Shirik | and they just sent me a letter saying "if you don't fill this out in the next 30 days we're sending it off as unclaimed funds to the state" |
| 16:47.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:47.30 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:47.33 | cbreak | check? |
| 16:47.48 | cbreak | why didn't you give them one of your bank account number? |
| 16:49.08 | Fisker | damn Shirik |
| 16:49.10 | Fisker | what should i do now? |
| 16:49.24 | Shirik | go find the only game on steam you don't already own and play it |
| 16:50.49 | Fisker | still several games |
| 16:50.56 | Fisker | but i was like "Hey Shirik" |
| 16:51.01 | Fisker | and now my life has been fulfilled |
| 16:51.06 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:51.13 | Shirik | well I am user-friendly |
| 16:53.21 | Ackis | hey Shirik did you know I tried planking last night? |
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| 16:55.10 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:56.22 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 16:56.23 | Ackis | sup |
| 16:56.45 | Fisker | i don't know Ackis |
| 16:56.48 | Fisker | i'm like |
| 16:56.53 | Fisker | i want to d3 beta |
| 16:58.04 | Shirik | what is planking |
| 16:58.29 | Fisker | being as intelligent as a plank |
| 16:58.31 | Fisker | and acting like one |
| 17:01.14 | bluspacecow | it is the practice of lying flat on random horizontal surfaces Shirik |
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| 17:01.48 | Fisker | that's what i said bluspacecow |
| 17:01.49 | Fisker | umad? |
| 17:02.07 | bluspacecow | umad bro ? |
| 17:02.49 | Fisker | naw bluspacecow |
| 17:03.34 | Stanzilla | iMad |
| 17:04.13 | Fisker | wtf Thunder_Child |
| 17:04.21 | Fisker | there's a portal back when you hearthstone? |
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| 17:04.50 | Fisker | or stone of recall or whatever you wanna call it |
| 17:05.18 | Stanzilla | fusion of town portal scrolls and hearthstone? |
| 17:06.28 | Fisker | well as i understood it they said you had to continue at your last waypoint if you HS'd |
| 17:06.32 | Fisker | or SoR'd |
| 17:07.12 | Fisker | i need to be playing Diablo 3 |
| 17:07.16 | Fisker | don't you agree Gnarfoz ? |
| 17:07.22 | Fisker | my very survival depends upon it |
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| 17:15.13 | Gnarfoz | how could I not? |
| 17:19.29 | Fisker | indeed Gnarfoz |
| 17:19.33 | Fisker | still no invite i presume? |
| 17:23.17 | Fisker | who is greyscarr |
| 17:23.19 | Fisker | that is the question |
| 17:24.59 | Fisker | the plot thickens |
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| 17:28.22 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 17:28.22 | Gnarfoz | of course no invite, yet... wouldn't I mock you as soon as I had one? |
| 17:28.25 | Fisker | who is Greyscarr? |
| 17:28.30 | Fisker | i wish Gnarfoz |
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| 17:29.35 | Fisker | i'm thinking that they might be at capacity Gnarfoz :O |
| 17:29.39 | Fisker | and that next wave = closed beta |
| 17:29.40 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 17:30.53 | Phelps | someone help me test this |
| 17:30.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm thinking that they might be assholes and that's it |
| 17:31.01 | Phelps | http://chat.64bits.co/ |
| 17:31.25 | Phelps | PM me a chat link please, if you're not busy |
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| 17:39.36 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/tumblr_loqn8mbyuu1qlbjuqo1_500.gif |
| 17:41.55 | bluspacecow | @Phelps http://chat.64bits.co/chat/bf987d75e3-Blu_is_sexy |
| 17:42.34 | Phelps | you're sharing the wrong link :p |
| 17:42.48 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 17:43.30 | bluspacecow | but then it doesn't have what i called the channel |
| 17:43.31 | bluspacecow | http://chat.64bits.co/bf987d75e3 |
| 17:43.37 | bluspacecow | == boring |
| 17:43.38 | Phelps | thats fine |
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| 17:43.42 | Phelps | :p |
| 17:43.55 | Phelps | i still see it |
| 17:44.02 | Phelps | http://goo.gl/CFrK9 |
| 17:44.38 | Phelps | I need to add in Joined and Left messages huh |
| 17:44.43 | Phelps | and make it not so god damn ugly |
| 17:45.24 | Phelps | bluspacecow: what browser you using |
| 17:45.47 | bluspacecow | firefox portable |
| 17:45.59 | Phelps | on windows ? |
| 17:46.21 | bluspacecow | 6.0 on windows 7 enterprise |
| 17:46.26 | Phelps | nice |
| 17:46.29 | bluspacecow | FF 6.0 that is |
| 17:46.37 | bluspacecow | i happen to be @ work |
| 17:46.42 | Fisker | suuuuuuuuuure bluspacecow |
| 17:46.43 | Fisker | p |
| 17:46.43 | Fisker | i |
| 17:46.44 | Fisker | r |
| 17:46.44 | Fisker | a |
| 17:46.45 | Fisker | t |
| 17:46.45 | Fisker | e |
| 17:46.48 | bluspacecow | so they get to pay for the more expensive license :P |
| 17:47.10 | A-KO | meh, firefox |
| 17:47.12 | Phelps | same as ultimate but for bulk licenses |
| 17:47.13 | A-KO | IE9 all the way :P |
| 17:47.15 | Fisker | hey the piratest pirate bluspacecow |
| 17:47.22 | Phelps | still, windows is expensive af |
| 17:47.31 | Phelps | my OS upgrades cost me $30 |
| 17:47.45 | bluspacecow | oh noes! |
| 17:47.50 | bluspacecow | a mac elitist! |
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| 17:48.02 | Phelps | nope |
| 17:48.13 | bluspacecow | im kidding of course |
| 17:48.14 | Fisker | windows is pretty cheap |
| 17:48.20 | Phelps | o.O |
| 17:48.28 | Phelps | not if you buy it |
| 17:48.28 | olafski | not to mention pretty awesome |
| 17:48.31 | bluspacecow | try refuting silly anti Mac fanbois on the forums and you get called that |
| 17:48.49 | Phelps | windows 7 is pretty awesome |
| 17:49.00 | Phelps | though, im not sure about windows 8 |
| 17:49.07 | Fisker | know anything that's cheaper bluspacecow ? |
| 17:49.13 | bluspacecow | your mum. |
| 17:49.18 | Phelps | oooooo |
| 17:49.42 | Fisker | umad? |
| 17:49.52 | Phelps | utimeout? |
| 17:51.29 | A-KO | Windows 8's "Metro" UI sucks, but so far the technical details behind Windows 8 really makes me want to use it |
| 17:51.31 | A-KO | which is sad |
| 17:51.43 | Phelps | yeah |
| 17:51.47 | A-KO | but that hybrid hibernate is *awesome*. I applaud that decision. I use hibernate *extensively* |
| 17:51.58 | Phelps | im not sure why they think it needs to work like a tablet |
| 17:52.04 | Fisker | wthey already have hybrid hibernate? |
| 17:52.12 | Phelps | Ubuntu is doing the same thing |
| 17:52.42 | Fisker | don't use the ui if you don't like it A-KO |
| 17:53.03 | A-KO | Fisker: yeah the problem is you might not be able to escape the UI, in that rather than Metro being an application over Explorer, Explorer is the application over Metro |
| 17:53.19 | Phelps | yeah, the UI is the OS |
| 17:53.25 | Fisker | no |
| 17:53.46 | Phelps | so I can go back to my trust windows2k layout ? |
| 17:53.47 | A-KO | "Explorer" will exist as nothing more than an application, with Metro being the core UI of Windows |
| 17:53.54 | Fisker | no |
| 17:53.57 | A-KO | it'll be interesting to see how it works, maybe I'll like it |
| 17:54.11 | A-KO | maybe I'll be able to customize it enough to enjoy it |
| 17:54.19 | A-KO | MS is aiming big with Windows 8 though |
| 17:54.27 | A-KO | Fisker: are you saying no to me? |
| 17:54.30 | Phelps | lets hope its not vista2.0 |
| 17:54.32 | A-KO | Because that's very much the truth |
| 17:54.39 | Fisker | yes A-KO |
| 17:54.40 | A-KO | Metro will be the core Windows 8 UI |
| 17:54.50 | A-KO | Sinofsky has said as much |
| 17:55.21 | Fisker | i'm not sure what you think he's said but you won't be forced to use their tablet ui no |
| 17:56.04 | Phelps | actually, all OSs are doing stupid tablet shit |
| 17:56.07 | A-KO | sec, I'll dig it up |
| 17:56.10 | Phelps | like people touch their screens |
| 17:56.28 | Phelps | mac added the same UI as the ipad in its latest update... so stupid |
| 17:56.35 | Fisker | also remember that metro isn't an ui, but a design language |
| 17:56.47 | Phelps | lol html5 |
| 17:56.50 | Fisker | the entire UI can be metro without it being the tile-based interface |
| 17:57.04 | Fisker | so that might be what you have confused him as saying |
| 17:57.33 | Phelps | your whole OS is rendered by IE9 |
| 17:57.34 | Phelps | gg |
| 17:58.10 | A-KO | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/31/designing-for-metro-style-and-the-desktop.aspx < This is one blog post where he tries to rationalize the Metro decision |
| 17:58.14 | A-KO | Metro will *always* be there |
| 17:58.18 | A-KO | there's no turning it off |
| 17:58.36 | A-KO | the flip side is that "you can launch your regular apps from Metro" and "Metro works fine with a keyboard and mouse" |
| 18:01.02 | A-KO | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/02/reflecting-on-our-first-conversations-part-2.aspx |
| 18:01.06 | Fisker | actually there is if you read the post |
| 18:01.07 | A-KO | a much more in depth discussion |
| 18:01.22 | A-KO | We said the desktop is like an app in Windows 8âyou can use it or not, as much or as little as you want. Some have said âit feels jarringâ to go to the desktop. My perspective is that it is no more or less jarring that switching between any other apps if you embrace diversity or experiences that are built for a specific task or purpose. |
| 18:02.11 | A-KO | The animations will work. Copy / Paste will work. Even bridging between âlegacyâ control panel applets will work. |
| 18:02.59 | olafski | you don't have to upgrade you know =) |
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| 18:03.21 | A-KO | Metro is the core of Windows 8's new experience with the UI. The "desktop" is an app, just like any other app. |
| 18:03.36 | A-KO | who knows, it might be cool, it might not be |
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| 18:03.46 | A-KO | but I know my initial reaction is "wtf?" and "why?" |
| 18:04.08 | olafski | I think my reaction will be "I'll wait for windows 9" :) |
| 18:04.32 | olafski | managed to skip 7 so far, though I guess if I happen to buy a new pc it will come with whatever version is current installed |
| 18:04.32 | A-KO | yeah when they rip the whole metro thing out of the UI and realize trying to integrate a tablet interface to the PC is a bad idea |
| 18:04.51 | A-KO | 7 is probably the nicest OS they've released since 98SE |
| 18:04.57 | A-KO | XP was pretty solid at release though |
| 18:04.59 | olafski | but even as a windows fanboy I will have to agree that I thought the same :P |
| 18:05.01 | A-KO | but 7 is just so much better |
| 18:05.11 | olafski | "we're putting the phone 7 UI on windows 8" "why?" |
| 18:05.30 | olafski | I haven't really found much advantage in win7 over XP.. nor vista |
| 18:06.08 | A-KO | 7's not as big of a difference over vista until you get into really, deeply working with it as a systems administrator and engineer, then you recognize 7 for all the improvements it made over Vista's tools. There are still some major jarring points to it though. |
| 18:06.09 | olafski | installed 7 on my "server" a few months ago because for some reason I couldn't install XP anymore, and I still use vista on my game pc.. it all kinda works the same in my opinion =) |
| 18:06.10 | A-KO | but it's much better |
| 18:06.23 | A-KO | 7 is a "well rounded" vista |
| 18:07.00 | olafski | possibly.. I haven't really found much in 7 that I would like in vista.. except those nice win_key+arrow shortcuts :D |
| 18:08.00 | A-KO | olafski: I was going to write a massive post on deploying Windows, and I probably still will as a project at some point (I need to start writing stuff down). But by and large, one of the key feautres is Vista introduced a much better way of deploying Windows (Windows PE)--the only problem is, they left out the tools to put on a boot sector. |
| 18:08.06 | A-KO | a MBR boot record, for that matter. |
| 18:08.29 | zenzelezz | a master boot record boot record? |
| 18:08.39 | A-KO | yes |
| 18:08.40 | A-KO | :P |
| 18:08.51 | A-KO | but no, the deployment tools they give you with vista don't allow you to write an MBR |
| 18:08.53 | olafski | yeah.. so nothing I will actually notice ;) |
| 18:09.00 | A-KO | 7 fixed that :P |
| 18:10.13 | Phelps | windows needs to take some of the small UI changes that are present in OSX and KDE |
| 18:10.15 | olafski | installing or deploying windows is something I leave to our hosted business suite people :D |
| 18:10.17 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: yes, D3 is sadly easymode in all respects |
| 18:10.25 | A-KO | auto defrag came with Vista, but 7 improved on it a bit further by allowing it to move stuff it couldn't move before. 7 had a lot of speedup improvements, boot is noticeably faster, and SSD usage (if you have one) is significantly better. :P |
| 18:10.41 | olafski | auto defrag.. hm |
| 18:10.48 | olafski | never heard of that, is it something I should enable? :) |
| 18:10.52 | Fisker | baw Thunder_Child |
| 18:10.52 | A-KO | it's on by default |
| 18:10.54 | Phelps | just remove the use for defrag... |
| 18:10.58 | Fisker | i thought they said they didn't allow you to portal bacak |
| 18:10.59 | olafski | ah ok |
| 18:11.00 | Fisker | back* |
| 18:11.02 | A-KO | Phelps: you always need defrag, even on linux |
| 18:11.06 | zenzelezz | one of the major advantages of using 7 over Vista is people won't go "you're using Vista?" |
| 18:11.10 | zenzelezz | -s |
| 18:11.17 | A-KO | Phelps: they're building a defrag tool for btrfs :P |
| 18:11.19 | A-KO | just an fyi |
| 18:11.21 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: i dont know what they said, but using the stone lets you do it, and there is no cooldown |
| 18:11.22 | zenzelezz | wtf, I incorrectly corrected myself... I lose |
| 18:11.23 | olafski | zenzelezz: yeah.. if you're one of those people who actually cares when other people say that ;) |
| 18:11.25 | Fisker | and also for your blasphemy you should be stricken from the beta tester list and i put in |
| 18:11.39 | zenzelezz | olafski: obviously I was joking :) |
| 18:11.46 | olafski | people do say that though |
| 18:11.58 | olafski | but when I ask why, they never really get beyond "but 7 is much better" or "vista sucks" :) |
| 18:12.12 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:12.32 | A-KO | olafski: if you get an SSD, 7 really shines. It makes a bunch of tweaks for services and OS usage that makes working with an SSD that much better. That said, there's still a long way to go for OS support for SSDs. |
| 18:12.35 | Fisker | btw bluspacecow |
| 18:12.36 | Fisker | umad? |
| 18:12.47 | Phelps | A-KO: OS X doesn't come with a defrag utility, and you really shouldn't ever need to, but their are some 3rd party tools to do it |
| 18:12.49 | A-KO | We are still in very very early stages of SSD optimization, which I hope Windows 8 will help make use of. |
| 18:13.11 | olafski | ah.. but I don't have an ssd ;) I considered buying one a few times, but never did.. I think because of the "you can only write to it X times" bit :s |
| 18:13.11 | A-KO | Phelps: technically speaking on a rotational drive you always need to, even the people who design the filesystems say as much--the point is really a matter of degree. |
| 18:13.19 | Dagmar | DOubtful, unless it just decides to seriously delay write transactions. |
| 18:13.20 | A-KO | olafski: I've had an SSD for 3 years now :P |
| 18:13.36 | olafski | isn't 3 years about the life span they give those things? |
| 18:13.42 | A-KO | no |
| 18:13.45 | Phelps | I have a 120gb SSD and a 2tBb for storage |
| 18:13.47 | Dagmar | SSD stuff has wear-leveling built into it, otherwise you'd definitely have bits of the thing being worn out far earlier than expected. |
| 18:13.54 | A-KO | well yeah Dagmar |
| 18:14.09 | A-KO | the point is the final product doesn't wear out in 3 years :P |
| 18:14.11 | Dagmar | If, however, you mainly reserve them for read-only operations, they'll last well beyond 3 years |
| 18:14.30 | Phelps | i've wondered that, just how long will a ssd last? |
| 18:14.37 | cbreak | HDDs have error correcting code and hot swap blocks en masse, otherwise you'll end up with dead blocks before S.M.A.R.T. can say "Backup!" |
| 18:14.42 | olafski | if it's less than 8-10 years I don't want it ;) |
| 18:14.55 | A-KO | olafski: Unfortunately that has to be tested :P |
| 18:15.05 | olafski | yeah.. so I'll stick with my current solution |
| 18:15.06 | A-KO | I don't count on regular modern HDDs to last beyond 5 years though |
| 18:15.19 | A-KO | back in the day though :( |
| 18:15.19 | olafski | I've never had a HDD break on me, and as such I don't keep backups |
| 18:15.19 | Phelps | once you use a SSD though, the speed increase you get just cant be beat |
| 18:15.24 | Dagmar | Yeah but with hard disks smart might slice out a handful of sectors on a good drive, and then pretty much you hear nothing else out of it until the disk starts seriously failing |
| 18:15.40 | A-KO | olafski: yeah the thing about an SSD is that it simply prevents you from writing. Worst case, you buy a new drive, read everything from it |
| 18:15.42 | A-KO | done :P |
| 18:15.52 | olafski | hm that sounds reasonable :) |
| 18:16.02 | A-KO | rotational drives just flat out fail, head crashes and the like. |
| 18:16.21 | cbreak | I'd say modern SSDs and modern HDDs are similarly reliable |
| 18:16.25 | olafski | thankfully never happened to me.. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if my disk would crash |
| 18:16.28 | olafski | yet I'm too lazy to do backups :) |
| 18:16.30 | cbreak | just that hard disks are much cheaper and ssds are much faster |
| 18:16.38 | A-KO | cbreak: more or less |
| 18:16.43 | A-KO | I'm looking at picking up a Crucial M4 for my laptop |
| 18:16.50 | A-KO | my desktop's experience is just so much nicer |
| 18:16.54 | A-KO | I attribute that to the SSD in it |
| 18:17.24 | cbreak | I have a Vertex 2 on my desktop and what ever apple puts into the mac book pros in the laptop. It's very nice. |
| 18:17.25 | olafski | I guess I should never get to experience that SSD stuff.. "ignorance is bliss" and all, I'm still pretty happy with my 5 year old desktop pc ;) |
| 18:17.38 | A-KO | My desktop has 8GB ram, C2D 2.33 Ghz, 80GB SSD, and 3x 1.5TB drives in RAID5. THe system is significantly more responsive and quicker to boot and use applications than my laptop, which is an i7 2630QM with 8GB of ram |
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| 18:17.55 | cbreak | and for mass storage lots of internal SATA hdds, and for backups lots more SATA hdds and a swap case. |
| 18:18.09 | bluspacecow | kk i go homes nows |
| 18:18.21 | A-KO | I was going to either go with an Intel 510 or an M4, but I think the M4 is beating it out |
| 18:18.27 | olafski | mine has 4GB, C2D 2.6 (I think) and 2x 320GB :) still runs my games so I'm fine with it.. my laptop is significantly better but I think I have that one on for at most 1 hour a week |
| 18:18.28 | A-KO | due to the much higher random read/write perforamnce |
| 18:18.56 | A-KO | the 510 has higher sequential throughput but it gets destroyed in random read/write. |
| 18:19.05 | A-KO | so I'll probalby go with the M4 for that reason |
| 18:19.33 | cbreak | my desktop has 240gb sata and maybe 4tb in hard disk space internally |
| 18:19.48 | A-KO | nice |
| 18:20.01 | cbreak | A-KO: have you looked at the pci ssd things? |
| 18:20.10 | Fisker | omg |
| 18:20.12 | A-KO | yeah, I have, but I can't load that into my laptop :P |
| 18:20.18 | cbreak | they don't run on macs, so I didn't look at them in detail, but speed wise they are way superior to sata |
| 18:20.22 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 18:20.27 | cbreak | right. :) |
| 18:20.33 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ <-this changes everything |
| 18:20.35 | A-KO | and right now desktops don't typically have a decent amount of PCI-E x16 slots for it. |
| 18:20.46 | A-KO | unless you get the much higher end boards |
| 18:20.51 | cbreak | you need more than one? :) |
| 18:21.12 | Arrowmaster | its the chipset thats limited on PCIe slots |
| 18:21.16 | A-KO | I know Arrowmaster |
| 18:21.17 | Arrowmaster | lanes |
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| 18:21.25 | A-KO | just saying that they don't provide enough to realy make more flexibility on PCI-E an option |
| 18:21.48 | A-KO | ideally you should be able to buy a board with 4-8 PCI-E x16 slots that all operate up to x16 as needed. |
| 18:21.56 | Arrowmaster | unless you get a board like mine that has 2x nf200's for 7 16x slots |
| 18:21.57 | A-KO | none of those "well if you have a card here ,these 2 operate at 8." |
| 18:22.32 | A-KO | then again, at least you do get told those numbers right now. The PCI bus back in the day wasn't all that great. |
| 18:22.38 | A-KO | fighting for IRQs and bus bandwidth |
| 18:23.06 | Fisker | 4.2 million Arrowmaster |
| 18:23.08 | A-KO | if you put your sound card too far down the PCI bus then something higher up might interrupt it and cause stuttered audio/etc. |
| 18:23.13 | cbreak | I have no idea. HW stuff on macs just works, or doesn't ;( |
| 18:23.15 | Fisker | Arrowmaster NF200 sucks |
| 18:23.23 | A-KO | god I'm a nerd :( |
| 18:23.25 | Fisker | don't even need it |
| 18:23.32 | alestane | KarlKFI (or anyone who feels like chiming in), does Java have an equivalent to the way a method in C++ can be declared "const", informing the compiler that it can be called against a const (or final) instance? |
| 18:23.38 | Fisker | 8x PCI-E is fine for Dual SLI |
| 18:23.57 | Fisker | and Tri/Quad SLI is for huge cockmongering somethings |
| 18:24.06 | A-KO | that's assuming you want to use PCI-E as video only |
| 18:24.14 | A-KO | the point is for a more general purpose connector |
| 18:24.15 | cbreak | sli is irelevant for ssd pci cards |
| 18:24.22 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: the point is that boards need more flexibility in PCI-E layout to go beyond only using PCI-E for video cards |
| 18:24.25 | Fisker | oh cbreak |
| 18:24.28 | A-KO | yeah |
| 18:25.02 | Fisker | well Ivy Bridge should solve that :3 |
| 18:25.13 | Fisker | Didn't they talk about 32 lanes of PCI-e 3? |
| 18:25.25 | Arrowmaster | theres already 32 lanes i thought |
| 18:25.48 | A-KO | they're working on it |
| 18:25.53 | Arrowmaster | but they get used up by stuff like the southbridge and any extra stuff they add onto the board |
| 18:25.59 | A-KO | but yeah, x32 would be nice |
| 18:26.35 | Arrowmaster | i think theres 40 lanes in the original i7 chipset |
| 18:26.36 | cbreak | http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-pci-express-ssd.html |
| 18:27.35 | A-KO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci-e#PCI_Express_3.0 |
| 18:27.43 | cbreak | that thing only needs pci express x4 |
| 18:28.04 | A-KO | I ws really hoping they'd have a new generation of SSDs by now |
| 18:28.16 | A-KO | something to improve on Intel's elm crest drives and something newer like Vertex 4 or something |
| 18:28.18 | A-KO | sadly they do not |
| 18:28.25 | cbreak | or this: http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-pci-express-ssd.html |
| 18:28.36 | cbreak | pci-e x4, 1.5gb/s read |
| 18:28.44 | cbreak | 1.2gb/s write |
| 18:29.02 | cbreak | mine gets a fifth of that, if at all :( |
| 18:30.08 | A-KO | hm, it seems the 510 is better than the m4? odd.. |
| 18:35.16 | A-KO | still might go m4 due to price though |
| 18:40.10 | cbreak | when I buy new storage, I always buy backup storage for it too |
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| 18:41.35 | Thunder_Child | i cant fit backup for 5TB |
| 18:41.55 | A-KO | yeah, once you get large enough it makes it difficult. Perhaps RAID16? :P |
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| 18:42.11 | A-KO | a buddy of mine picked up a Synology NAS |
| 18:42.21 | Thunder_Child | if 4 and 5 slot NAS's were cheap enough i would get one |
| 18:42.22 | A-KO | once you start really looking at the pricing, a pre-built NAS system seems like a better option. |
| 18:42.26 | cbreak | I use loose external hard disks |
| 18:42.34 | cbreak | and back up parts of my internal storage |
| 18:42.38 | A-KO | Synology's stuff sits around $3K |
| 18:42.41 | A-KO | give or take |
| 18:42.52 | A-KO | right now I'm just riding on RAID5 |
| 18:43.05 | cbreak | the synology thing a friend has is maybe 700$ |
| 18:43.10 | cbreak | but that's home grade |
| 18:43.20 | cbreak | and I am not too impressed by it |
| 18:43.55 | A-KO | http://www.synology.com/us/products/RS2211RP+/index.php |
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| 18:55.32 | cbreak | the one he has has 5 drive bays |
| 18:55.51 | cbreak | so enough for 10+ tb of raw storage |
| 19:08.19 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/a3luN |
| 19:12.42 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/LWhGl |
| 19:12.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:13.57 | Fisker | shoves Thunder_Child |
| 19:18.13 | Thunder_Child | snot my fault Fisker |
| 19:19.13 | Fisker | i think it is |
| 19:21.40 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you had better hope the beta is on easy or else people are going to tralalalala their way through it. |
| 19:22.12 | Thunder_Child | you can sell and salvage from anywhere |
| 19:22.21 | Thunder_Child | portal is unlimited |
| 19:22.22 | Fisker | that's the point |
| 19:22.32 | Thunder_Child | identify is only on rare or above items |
| 19:22.45 | Fisker | that's not a matter of difficulty |
| 19:22.48 | Fisker | and i already knew that |
| 19:22.53 | Thunder_Child | it is |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker | only didn't know you could portal back |
| 19:22.56 | Fisker | no it isn't |
| 19:23.03 | Thunder_Child | limited resources makes things harder |
| 19:23.15 | Thunder_Child | dificulty is not just bout beating on monsters |
| 19:23.21 | Fisker | people would just sell in town anyway |
| 19:23.24 | Fisker | so point = moot |
| 19:23.42 | Thunder_Child | right, because of the stone, hence the game is easy everywhere |
| 19:23.47 | Thunder_Child | this is a porblem |
| 19:23.53 | Thunder_Child | problem* |
| 19:24.03 | Thunder_Child | and not one that is going to be solved by making the mobs harder |
| 19:24.34 | Thunder_Child | what happens when you die? 10% durability loss....you still have all of your gold. |
| 19:24.55 | mckenziemc | i can take care of that |
| 19:25.02 | Thunder_Child | a reason one of the threads was named World of diablocraft |
| 19:26.51 | Fisker | Thunder_Child in Diablo 2 you had unlimited TP's anyway so not an issue |
| 19:27.27 | Thunder_Child | it was not unlimited |
| 19:27.37 | Fisker | practically it was yes |
| 19:28.01 | Fisker | and the gold practically had no value anyway so losing it wasn't a big deal |
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| 19:36.57 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: I am now calling it Jordans Chamber Pot, because you shit in items and it comes out as gold. |
| 19:37.20 | Fisker | umaaaaaaaaaaaad |
| 19:37.25 | Thunder_Child | very |
| 19:37.57 | Fisker | i got a solution though |
| 19:38.01 | Maldivia | TC: Well, apparenly Jordan was an alchemist?! |
| 19:38.05 | Fisker | email your sponsor and tell them to invite me instead |
| 19:40.13 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia: we shit out trace metals, not exactly the same. Plus it would need a large energy source |
| 19:40.50 | Maldivia | TC: Magic :P |
| 19:40.57 | Fisker | man Thunder_Child |
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| 19:41.05 | Fisker | you should post your revelations on the beta forums |
| 19:41.12 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: the unlimited portal thing sounds like something people would bitch about if they were limited consider there is no single player where you can pause the game right? |
| 19:41.14 | Fisker | would be neat if they still threw out people like you :3 |
| 19:42.31 | Fisker | Arrowmaster people just need to get over the fact that in Diablo 2 TP's were sold from an infinitely renewable source with a currency that had zero value |
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| 19:48.28 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: there is nothing that is time based so simply stoping somewhere where you are not being attacked is roughly equal to pausing |
| 19:48.52 | Thunder_Child | and there is no timeout that has been implemented yet...though i assume there will me |
| 19:48.56 | Thunder_Child | be* |
| 19:49.07 | Maldivia | TC: there are timed event, like Jar of Souls |
| 19:49.49 | Arrowmaster | what happens if you fail? |
| 19:50.00 | Fisker | you fail? |
| 19:50.03 | Thunder_Child | well a portal isnt going to stop that either |
| 19:50.29 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: well, the jar of souls is a "survice a horde of undead for a minute", so if you fail, you die :P |
| 19:50.38 | Arrowmaster | can you try again? |
| 19:50.43 | Maldivia | no idea |
| 19:51.45 | Arrowmaster | for people that just want to play the game as a single player game it wont have a pause button like just about every other single player game |
| 19:52.06 | Fisker | It's a random generated event Arrowmaster |
| 19:52.18 | Fisker | so not only can you probably try again, you can probably complete it several times as well |
| 19:52.23 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: but there isnt a need to pause it |
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| 19:53.06 | Arrowmaster | what if you are in the middle of a group of enemies and you need to step away from the computer |
| 19:53.27 | Maldivia | touch luck |
| 19:53.32 | Fisker | wyou need to get out of combat anyway Arrowmaster |
| 19:53.36 | Thunder_Child | then you wont be able to use the stone, it's channeled |
| 19:53.37 | Maldivia | tough* |
| 19:53.42 | Fisker | though technically mobs could patrol/spawn on you i guess |
| 19:53.58 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: that doesnt happen |
| 19:54.13 | Arrowmaster | right its still a bad side effect of the no true single player change |
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| 19:54.46 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: when playing D2 solo on b.net, there's no pause either |
| 19:55.02 | Arrowmaster | there is when playing D2 solo not on b.net |
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| 20:12.30 | Fisker | Klrth is the worst spammer the world has ever known |
| 20:15.55 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: age of empires online has a pause functionality for game play when you're in single player games, even when online... but not in co-op/head to head |
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| 20:22.53 | Phelps | http://chat.64bits.co/ |
| 20:23.05 | Phelps | someone help me test that |
| 20:23.21 | Phelps | create a chat and send me the link you get |
| 20:24.39 | Fisker | i don't like you Ackis |
| 20:24.56 | Fisker | looks like AOE Online is a shitty game Ackis |
| 20:34.48 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:34.50 | Fisker | can you stop me? |
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| 20:46.36 | Fisker | Does something like dropbox/live mesh exist that you can host yourself? |
| 20:49.18 | Maldivia | libsync? |
| 20:49.37 | Phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.44 | Cide | sparkleshare? |
| 20:50.01 | Fisker | i could kill you Phelps |
| 20:50.21 | Phelps | dont be mad |
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| 20:50.54 | Fisker | i'm not :( |
| 20:51.00 | Fisker | anyway thanks Cide |
| 20:51.03 | Fisker | not so thanks Torhal|work |
| 20:51.06 | Fisker | useless as always |
| 20:51.18 | Phelps | lol, no windows links |
| 20:51.33 | Fisker | better than nothing |
| 20:52.05 | Phelps | looks like it works well on mac |
| 20:52.07 | Phelps | go me |
| 20:52.17 | Phelps | imma try this out |
| 20:52.59 | Torhal | drops Fisker into an extinct volcano. |
| 20:53.17 | Fisker | you just blew up the world Torhal |
| 20:53.22 | Fisker | that was a super volcano :( |
| 20:53.27 | Torhal | AWRITE |
| 20:53.48 | Phelps | 'bout that time aye chaps |
| 20:53.50 | Fisker | like that movie there |
| 20:54.06 | Phelps | someone click this |
| 20:54.09 | Phelps | and join chat |
| 20:54.09 | Phelps | http://chat.64bits.co/9a2b8bb6a2 |
| 20:54.12 | Phelps | idc what you type |
| 20:54.18 | Phelps | try to break it |
| 20:57.11 | Phelps | i gotta fix that unicode stuff |
| 20:57.16 | Phelps | didn't even cross my mind |
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| 21:00.50 | Phelps | Fisker: whats that shit called that really messes up IM clients, the text goes all over the place |
| 21:00.54 | Phelps | looks like matrix stuff |
| 21:01.13 | Fisker | :3 |
| 21:01.17 | Fisker | zalgoo btw |
| 21:01.25 | Fisker | or zalgo |
| 21:01.27 | Fisker | actually |
| 21:01.47 | Phelps | thanks :p |
| 21:01.55 | Phelps | nice |
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| 21:02.14 | Phelps | it works haha |
| 21:02.15 | Phelps | http://goo.gl/1a8yA |
| 21:20.43 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 21:20.51 | Fisker | we need to remove someone from the beta |
| 21:21.07 | Fisker | if i email Thundgot will you email your friend in the US? |
| 21:22.49 | Gnarfoz | I have friends in the US? If I had, I'd probably be in the beta right now |
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| 21:28.41 | Phelps | i have friends, but they have more important friends |
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| 21:49.51 | Fisker | you said you did Gnarfoz |
| 21:50.06 | Gnarfoz | I'd never |
| 21:50.10 | Gnarfoz | USians are evul |
| 21:50.13 | Fisker | but you did |
| 21:50.28 | BlackNet | whut! my level 12 enh shammy did 2.4 dps on a raid training dummy |
| 21:50.55 | Fisker | who do you know in the eu then? |
| 21:51.08 | Gnarfoz | some GM-type |
| 21:51.30 | Fisker | :O |
| 21:51.39 | Fisker | he should invite some danes |
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| 21:51.41 | Fisker | it's like |
| 21:51.45 | Fisker | we helped you during WW2 |
| 21:51.51 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 21:51.58 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 21:53.00 | Gnarfoz | not so hey |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | (because not so d3 beta :( ) |
| 21:53.34 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:53.41 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 21:53.46 | kd3 | hm? |
| 21:53.48 | Fisker | can't you contact people? |
| 21:53.54 | Fisker | Thunder_Child said he doesn't want to beta test Diablo 3 |
| 21:54.02 | Fisker | might as well not let an invite be wasted |
| 21:57.38 | Fisker | yarrgh :( |
| 22:02.32 | Fisker | defibs kd3 |
| 22:02.41 | Gnarfoz | fizzled |
| 22:03.13 | Fisker | damn |
| 22:03.31 | Fisker | btw Gnarfoz your GM should leak stuff so he gets fired |
| 22:03.59 | Fisker | GM friend that is |
| 22:05.30 | Gnarfoz | he's aware of the risks, so... ;] |
| 22:05.47 | Fisker | no risks in inviting me though :( |
| 22:05.51 | Fisker | unless thundgot finds out |
| 22:05.54 | Fisker | he'll be frs |
| 22:06.19 | Fisker | it's not like anyone at blizzard cares about your friends invites ell oh ell |
| 22:07.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:15.14 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard doesn't care about EU, remember? |
| 22:19.51 | cbreak | blizzard doesn't care about people with laptops either |
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| 22:44.25 | karl_w_w | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d81mhfEmdHg/TZPawUtC85I/AAAAAAAABCw/4sCu0nIEKEw/s1600/i-laugh-at-stupid-puns-10782-1243529921-2.jpg |
| 22:46.25 | BlackNet | ok so leveling in burning stepes at level 13 is not cool |
| 22:47.04 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 22:47.07 | Phelps | lol |
| 22:49.16 | Stanzilla | awesome idea |
| 22:49.30 | BlackNet | i could do it on my pally around that level |
| 22:50.09 | Phelps | rofl |
| 22:50.18 | Phelps | Mac or PC? One is the toast of the creative industry with each unit being delicately hand crafted on a silk pillow by a choir of angels. The other is a clunking black hole sucking the cool out of the universe and replacing it with narcoleptic accountants and device driver errors. |
| 22:50.23 | Phelps | http://www.djtechtools.com/2011/08/14/optimizing-windows-for-djing-part-i-power-script/ |
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| 23:00.03 | karl_w_w | macs don't give device driver errors, they just give you "nah, can't do that" instead |
| 23:04.21 | Nechckn | A kinder, gentler sort of "FU!", karl_w_w =) |
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| 23:27.04 | Fisker | baw Gnarfoz |
| 23:27.05 | Fisker | i just woke up |
| 23:27.08 | Fisker | checked for beta |
| 23:27.09 | Fisker | no beta |
| 23:27.26 | Gnarfoz | apropos waking up, I should go sleep |
| 23:29.55 | Fisker | i should join you Gnarfoz |
| 23:30.01 | Fisker | maybe that's a way to get beta access |
| 23:30.03 | Gnarfoz | no thanks |
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| 23:48.56 | Adys | is it possible to invite low level players in a raid in some way? |
| 23:49.18 | Adys | or well, specifically, create a group and convert it to raid with a low level player in it |
| 23:49.30 | cbreak | how is it not possible? |
| 23:49.36 | cbreak | just convert it to a raid? |
| 23:49.38 | Adys | hasnt been since 4.1 |
| 23:49.46 | Adys | or 4.0 |
| 23:49.52 | cbreak | oh |
| 23:50.00 | cbreak | how do they define low? |
| 23:50.04 | cbreak | below 60? |
| 23:50.07 | Adys | <10 |
| 23:50.16 | cbreak | hmm |
| 23:50.23 | cbreak | must be for the free-to-play wow players |
| 23:50.50 | kd3 | it's been that way since before f2p |
| 23:50.52 | kd3 | around 4.0? |
| 23:51.02 | tem | much sooner than that |
| 23:51.15 | tem | I don't remember when it was, but I know I haven't tried it since 4.0 |
| 23:51.17 | Phelps | i hate that people call it "free to play" |
| 23:51.28 | Phelps | its a trail with no time limit |
| 23:51.32 | kd3 | wow ads call it f2p |
| 23:51.32 | tem | your first one is free. |
| 23:51.39 | Phelps | its stupid |
| 23:51.55 | Phelps | you cant do anything on a "free to play" account |
| 23:52.02 | Phelps | its hardly playing |
| 23:52.08 | kd3 | like every other f2p? |
| 23:52.12 | Phelps | no |
| 23:52.24 | Phelps | you can reach max level on most F2P games |
| 23:52.32 | Phelps | there is no gold limit |
| 23:52.37 | Phelps | you can chat with other players |
| 23:52.47 | Adys | f2p means free to play |
| 23:52.48 | Phelps | 90% of game features are not blocked from you |
| 23:52.52 | Adys | free to play means you can play it for free |
| 23:52.55 | Adys | thats ALL it means |
| 23:53.04 | Adys | the style you're describing is micropayment games |
| 23:53.27 | Phelps | wen 90%+ of game features are missing, i would hardly call that playing the game |
| 23:53.41 | Phelps | when * |
| 23:54.24 | Phelps | its still a trial |
| 23:54.28 | Phelps | imho |
| 23:54.43 | Phelps | and calling it free to play, implies that it isn't a trial |
| 23:55.08 | cbreak | to me it just means that you can play it and that you don't have to pay for it |
| 23:55.23 | cbreak | it is without doubt true that you don't have to pay for it |
| 23:55.33 | cbreak | and you can play it somewhat |
| 23:55.39 | mckenziemc | yet we never call time-limited trials free to play |
| 23:55.43 | Phelps | then they need to call it |
| 23:55.48 | Phelps | "free to kinda almost play" |
| 23:56.07 | Phelps | which translate to |
| 23:56.12 | Phelps | "free to try out" |
| 23:56.13 | Phelps | or |
| 23:56.15 | Phelps | free trial |
| 23:56.32 | cbreak | sc2 is free to play after you bought it :) |
| 23:56.39 | Phelps | sure |
| 23:57.09 | cbreak | wonder if I can still level alts in trial mode if I'd stop paying for the wow sub |
| 23:57.17 | Phelps | nope |
| 23:57.34 | Phelps | once you upgrade out of "free to play" mode, you have to pay the sub |
| 23:57.46 | cbreak | so it's true. The first one is free. |
| 23:57.47 | mckenziemc | don't think so |
| 23:58.17 | Phelps | caus I was gonna try to use my second account to sell some AH stuff, but it just says "You have used your prepaid game time for this account" |
| 23:58.40 | cbreak | before the char select screen? |
| 23:58.43 | Phelps | yeah |
| 23:58.58 | Phelps | you dont even login all the way |
| 23:59.14 | Phelps | and on a free account the gold limit is 10g |
| 23:59.19 | Phelps | you cant use the AH either |
| 23:59.34 | Phelps | or chat in anything other than /s or /p |
| 23:59.45 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.47 | Phelps | nope |
| 23:59.52 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 23:59.53 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
