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| 01:48.50 | Shirik | interesting: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/choke/201109/why-pretty-girls-can-t-do-math |
| 01:51.55 | Corrodias | hm. |
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| 01:54.03 | Torhal | Shirik: I blame Cairenn. |
| 01:54.20 | Cairenn | Most people do |
| 01:54.29 | Torhal | Cairenn: But did you read the article? :) |
| 01:54.32 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 01:54.35 | Cairenn | no |
| 01:54.43 | Torhal | Bah, then. |
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| 02:29.29 | karl_w_w | so many things wrong with that article |
| 02:29.49 | karl_w_w | the most revolting one being the idea that only pretty girls have romantic thoughts |
| 02:30.37 | karl_w_w | dude/chick has a phd and says that, and also can't spell freshmen |
| 02:31.31 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: where are you getting that from |
| 02:32.17 | karl_w_w | the article Shirik linked |
| 02:32.22 | mckenziemc | i read it |
| 02:32.33 | mckenziemc | my question still stands |
| 02:32.42 | karl_w_w | then i dont understand it |
| 02:33.22 | karl_w_w | the article is titled why pretty girls do maths |
| 02:33.55 | karl_w_w | and the only thing it talks about is studies that link romantic thoughts to lower aptitude for maths and sciences in women |
| 02:34.44 | Dagmar | They don't need to be smart if they're easy. |
| 02:34.46 | mckenziemc | you're misinterpreting the choice of title |
| 02:34.46 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 02:34.51 | mckenziemc | though it was still a bad choice |
| 02:35.18 | karl_w_w | "So, just as the T-shirts suggest, there seems to be a disconnect between being an attractive female and succeeding in academics." |
| 02:35.22 | karl_w_w | last paragraph |
| 02:35.46 | mckenziemc | inconsequential |
| 02:36.08 | mckenziemc | the study is suggesting that there's a dissonance, from whatever cause, hence what you just quoted |
| 02:36.17 | karl_w_w | what |
| 02:36.29 | karl_w_w | I don't understand what you're saying at all :P |
| 02:37.52 | mckenziemc | i don't understand how you're coming to your conclusions |
| 02:38.16 | karl_w_w | I'm not coming to any conclusions, I'm criticizing the writer's. |
| 02:38.31 | mckenziemc | "so many things wrong with that article" |
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| 02:38.51 | karl_w_w | the article basically says this: "There are t-shirts and stuff that says pretty girls can't do maths. Girls with romantic thoughts can't do maths. See, the t-shirts might be right!" |
| 02:39.05 | mckenziemc | no, it doesn't |
| 02:39.58 | karl_w_w | what does it say then |
| 02:42.26 | mckenziemc | that society repeatedly makes this claim that 'pretty girls can't do math' and that a study shows there seems to be /something/ that /is/ making them somewhat mutually exclusive |
| 02:42.49 | mckenziemc | doesn't say what -- could be self-fulfilling prophecy, could be something else, and it doesn't say that society's right |
| 02:43.34 | mckenziemc | the part about the T-shirts is just lead-in to mentioning the study |
| 02:43.36 | karl_w_w | i dont see how you're making the same link |
| 02:43.47 | karl_w_w | the study is about romantic feelings |
| 02:44.30 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 02:44.44 | karl_w_w | the study shows that romantic thoughts make girls bad at maths |
| 02:44.54 | mckenziemc | no |
| 02:45.09 | mckenziemc | there's no mention of causality |
| 02:45.39 | Cide | in case you cannot get enough of me |
| 02:45.40 | Cide | http://www.wdyl.com/#Cide |
| 02:46.34 | karl_w_w | Cide <3 |
| 02:46.54 | karl_w_w | we'll just have to disagree mckenziemc :P |
| 02:47.00 | mckenziemc | people commonly rely on unstated ideas to further an argument, but you seem to be assuming that _must_ be the case here |
| 02:47.20 | karl_w_w | well |
| 02:48.33 | karl_w_w | however you slice it the writer is making an extremely tenuous link between the t-shirts and the studies |
| 02:49.01 | mckenziemc | it's just lead in |
| 02:49.09 | mckenziemc | you never write an article by going straight to the facts |
| 02:49.46 | karl_w_w | no but usually there's a common thread |
| 02:51.41 | mckenziemc | "society perpetuaties the idea that romance and intellect are exclusive" "study shows there seems to be some competition between them" |
| 02:51.53 | karl_w_w | otherwise I could lead in with "Look at all the internet jokes about how women in the kitchen." and justify it with a study that shows women like chocolate |
| 02:52.21 | karl_w_w | "society perpetuaties the idea that romance and intellect are exclusive" <- that's not what the article or the t-shirts are saying |
| 02:53.11 | mckenziemc | 'To some these slogans are merely a joke. To others they suggest that we haven't moved very much beyond the early 1990's when Mattel produced a doll - the Teen Talk Barbie - that, when a cord was pulled, would say things like, "Will we ever have enough clothes?" and "Math class is tough!"' |
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| 02:57.12 | mckenziemc | we can't get inside the writer's head, but i believe that's what he was getting at, and i believe that while it's possible he's making the associations you think he is, there's not enough information to make that any more than a possibility |
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| 03:07.46 | kd3 | huh; a lawn chair got tipped over on vancouver island? |
| 03:07.56 | mckenziemc | D: |
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| 03:22.08 | mckenziemc | Bug: Extension manager utilizes too much CPU |
| 03:22.10 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:25.47 | kd3 | huh; 1.8's been "leaked" |
| 03:26.44 | Shirik | 1.8 of? |
| 03:26.50 | kd3 | minecraft |
| 03:27.16 | kd3 | http://assets.minecraft.net/1_8-pre/minecraft.jar |
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| 03:30.00 | Shirik | meh |
| 03:30.09 | Shirik | I still don't understand the big deal |
| 03:31.53 | karl_w_w | are addons unable to do anything while the game is in the background? |
| 03:31.58 | karl_w_w | or something like that |
| 03:32.02 | mckenziemc | it's .1 more than 1.7 |
| 03:32.49 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: they can when the window is still up but not focused, and i don't remember if they can do anything while the game is minimized |
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| 03:33.27 | karl_w_w | I've been wondering about it for a while actually |
| 03:33.39 | mckenziemc | now i want to test it |
| 03:33.45 | karl_w_w | cos one addon i have detects enemy players based on cleu |
| 03:33.57 | mckenziemc | but i should be getting my other account ready for its expiration tomorrow :( |
| 03:33.58 | karl_w_w | and it always goes off when the game is minimized as far as i can tell |
| 03:34.24 | karl_w_w | but other stuff seems to stop when it minimized, like census+ scans, AH scans |
| 03:34.31 | mckenziemc | i suppose the question is whether it goes off while minimized, or only once the window's brought up again |
| 03:34.52 | karl_w_w | the enemy player one has an audio alert |
| 03:35.00 | mckenziemc | anything relying on OnUpdate might stop when the game's minimized, that could explain it |
| 03:35.10 | karl_w_w | hmm yeah |
| 03:35.24 | mckenziemc | ah, you've heard it play the sound when the game was minimized then, i take it? |
| 03:35.34 | karl_w_w | yeah |
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| 04:15.41 | airtonix | hey mckenziemc |
| 04:16.12 | airtonix | i think you're exceedng your cereberal quotant for the month |
| 04:17.03 | mckenziemc | what's a quotant |
| 04:17.16 | airtonix | i see |
| 04:17.21 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 04:17.45 | mckenziemc | ~lobotomy |
| 04:17.46 | purl | I feel different somehow. |
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| 04:55.37 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7woSjMPreA mind=blown |
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| 07:42.51 | Sintacks | what's the best CPU cooler, period... (highlight with responce) [amsg] |
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| 07:44.44 | Sintacks | that isn't watercooled ... [amsg] |
| 07:45.21 | Jamash | Sintacks: liquid nitrogen |
| 07:45.36 | Sintacks | i should have said that isn't liquid nitrogen too |
| 07:45.37 | Sintacks | lol |
| 07:49.13 | Jamash | so who else is looking forward to DIII RMT not to make real money but to get someone else to pay for their WoW race/faction/realm changes |
| 07:51.15 | Sintacks | <- |
| 08:11.24 | airtonix | thanks for wasting my time karl_w_w |
| 08:11.46 | mckenziemc | umad? |
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| 08:15.16 | airtonix | <input x-webkit-speech="" speech="" id="search_box" type="text" name="q" value="" autocomplete="off" placeholder="Search query"> |
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| 08:53.05 | airtonix | aD6u0GHX |
| 08:53.13 | airtonix | :< |
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| 09:05.43 | mckenziemc | hacks airtonix |
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| 09:06.28 | airtonix | i don't have any wan visible machines with that password anyway |
| 09:06.49 | airtonix | except my justin beiber fan club account |
| 09:06.52 | mckenziemc | not a problem |
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| 09:29.57 | olafski | ackis: nice :P |
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| 09:37.07 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 09:37.19 | olafski | bleh so they make a 50k gold looted achievement, but no 5000 fish or 1000 archaeology projects completed achieves =( |
| 09:42.59 | Fisker | hey olafski |
| 09:43.01 | Fisker | hey harl |
| 09:43.04 | Fisker | not so hey mckenziemc |
| 09:44.38 | olafski | dungeon difficulty set to 5 player, fisker |
| 09:44.50 | Fisker | oh ok? |
| 09:45.52 | airtonix | olafski: he's mad that i got into beta and he didn't so he doesn't really care about much else. |
| 09:47.32 | olafski | this is not news airtonix :P |
| 09:47.48 | olafski | whenever he speaks it's obvious what he's thinking about.. it's always only one thing at a time |
| 09:48.02 | olafski | some tablet, new phone, package he's getting delivered but hasn't arrived yet or beta |
| 09:48.18 | mckenziemc | you forgot the biggest one |
| 09:48.19 | mckenziemc | being sick |
| 09:49.09 | olafski | I only signed up for the D3 beta to laugh at people.. have no intention of playing it until the game hits retail :] |
| 09:49.47 | airtonix | olafski: i got bored of playing |
| 09:50.04 | airtonix | after i realised i'd played this game 5 years ago |
| 09:50.27 | olafski | :) |
| 09:50.27 | airtonix | olafski: back when it was called something else |
| 09:50.33 | olafski | I played diablo 2 last week |
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| 09:50.45 | airtonix | i played linux last week |
| 09:50.54 | olafski | that sounds less fun |
| 09:51.09 | airtonix | well |
| 09:51.20 | airtonix | i was playing for longer than i was playing beta |
| 09:51.22 | olafski | isn't that the practical joke that people keep harassing microsoft with? |
| 09:52.05 | olafski | I leveled a barbarian to about level 40 and a sorceress and necromancer each to about 25-30 |
| 09:52.11 | airtonix | also olafski, isn't it hilarious that it being labeled beta implies it will venture further than beta state? |
| 09:52.23 | Fisker | airtonix you're not in the beta |
| 09:52.30 | airtonix | prove it |
| 09:52.41 | Fisker | not my burden of proof |
| 09:52.50 | airtonix | oh but it is |
| 09:52.56 | Fisker | no |
| 09:53.06 | airtonix | in my country, it's innocent until proven guilty |
| 09:53.21 | mckenziemc | your country is wrong |
| 09:53.25 | Fisker | this is not a criminal court airtonix |
| 09:53.37 | olafski | you're the one doubting him fisker :P |
| 09:54.09 | Fisker | he's the one making claims about what i feel based on a lie |
| 09:54.11 | Fisker | so no olafski |
| 09:54.22 | Fisker | even if i were doubting him, it's his burden of proof, not mine |
| 09:54.51 | airtonix | feeling aren't justification for repealing precidence |
| 09:55.02 | mckenziemc | wat |
| 09:55.23 | olafski | you're making a claim about what airtonix feels is a lie too fisker :) |
| 09:55.23 | Fisker | this is not a criminal court airtonix |
| 09:55.33 | airtonix | it's a shame mckenziemc exceeded his monthly intellectual quota |
| 09:55.42 | olafski | what quota |
| 09:55.47 | Fisker | saying that the claim is not proven is not a claim i have to prove |
| 09:56.03 | Fisker | sneak back into your creationist holes |
| 09:56.17 | mckenziemc | creates holes in Fisker |
| 09:56.17 | airtonix | but i'm agnostic |
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| 10:14.53 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/oopsthatsnotfunny.gif |
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| 10:15.50 | airtonix | you can dish it out but you can't take it eh? |
| 10:23.22 | mckenziemc | is this news? |
| 10:23.35 | airtonix | the question of it must be |
| 10:24.31 | mikma | airtonix: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ijustcametoaconclusionthatyouhaveadirtymind.jpg |
| 10:24.47 | mikma | cog|away: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ice_giants.jpg |
| 10:25.10 | airtonix | gigidy |
| 10:25.52 | airtonix | mikma: btw ice giants is another name for reptile people |
| 10:26.26 | airtonix | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/ |
| 10:28.15 | mikma | i've been seeing that cover since i was 8, but i've never actually seen the movie |
| 10:28.27 | Alram | its a good movie |
| 10:30.07 | airtonix | anything john carpenter makes is good |
| 10:32.16 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWy2LBXjkxw&hd=1 |
| 10:32.20 | mikma | lol lol lol? |
| 10:32.32 | airtonix | hoho |
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| 10:51.15 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 10:51.34 | AcidWeb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAmyJGHQRl4 |
| 10:53.05 | Fisker | ctrl+w AcidWeb |
| 10:53.07 | Fisker | ctrl+w |
| 10:55.09 | airtonix | i'm awesome |
| 11:08.00 | Torhal | imad, Fisker. You should stop planking and owling. |
| 11:08.47 | airtonix | owling? |
| 11:08.59 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 11:13.38 | airtonix | you should probably explain it instead of assuming it's common knowledge |
| 11:15.41 | mckenziemc1 | you should probably know what it means instead of assuming it's not common knowledge |
| 11:16.27 | airtonix | hey mckenziemc1 |
| 11:16.42 | mckenziemc1 | hey airtonix7 |
| 11:16.55 | airtonix | what happened to just-mckenziemc |
| 11:17.40 | mckenziemc1 | dropped call lead to limbo |
| 11:18.40 | Torhal | suggests that airtonix learns the uncommonality of common knowledge. |
| 11:18.53 | Torhal | also offers mckenziemc1 a cheese-stuffed burrito. |
| 11:19.28 | mckenziemc1 | finds Torhal to be in violation of common law |
| 11:19.42 | Torhal | Good thing we're not married, you sick bastard. |
| 11:20.27 | mckenziemc1 | Your play time expires in 10 minutes. |
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| 11:47.55 | Fisker | Gnarfoz my friend |
| 11:47.56 | Fisker | respond! |
| 11:48.04 | airtonix | code 4 |
| 11:50.31 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
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| 11:58.02 | mckenziemc1 | yeh reksif |
| 11:58.21 | mckenziemc1 | m'i yrgnuh |
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| 12:25.24 | airtonix | hey is it still not possible to add new words to the spell checking dictionary on iOS ? or do we still have to put up with the iOS constantly changing what we actually wanted to type? |
| 13:00.58 | airtonix | hey mikma |
| 13:02.23 | mikma | yes |
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| 13:06.21 | airtonix | are you in the beta? |
| 13:08.27 | mikma | airtonix: in one beta, yes |
| 13:08.46 | airtonix | i'm in the beta |
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| 13:32.13 | Fisker | you here? |
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| 14:25.44 | kaiden | mmmmmmmm green tea + honey NOM NOM NOM |
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| 14:38.20 | Aelobin | Is there any way to stop a model frame from animating? SetSequence doesn't seem to be permanent and i tried SetSequenceTime in an OnUpdate but that seems a bit messy :p |
| 14:41.06 | Xinhuan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ieJN9S6Mo |
| 14:41.06 | Xinhuan | woo |
| 14:41.09 | Xinhuan | notch tweeted this |
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| 14:42.04 | Fisker | no care Xinhuan |
| 14:42.07 | Fisker | until minecraft on steam |
| 14:42.09 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 14:42.15 | Fisker | my remote is bootlooping |
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| 14:43.47 | Tuppence | hi! |
| 14:44.30 | Tuppence | looking for a bit of coding help, anyone got a sec? |
| 14:44.42 | Industrial` | ~asktoask |
| 14:44.42 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 14:45.16 | Tuppence | what a convenient rule! okay; |
| 14:49.38 | Tuppence | ah nvm, sorted it - thanks! |
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| 15:40.50 | Jamash | Endermen. |
| 15:41.18 | Jamash | aka I SEE WHAT NOTCH DID THERE |
| 15:41.45 | Fisker | Jamashmen |
| 15:41.48 | Fisker | hello Gnarfoz |
| 15:42.19 | Jamash | Fiskerspycrab. |
| 15:43.18 | Fisker | no! |
| 15:43.33 | Jamash | which reminds me |
| 15:43.50 | Jamash | how does Ghostcrawler type with those stubby crab claws? |
| 15:45.33 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/electronic-arts-online-pass-profits-trung-103573/ |
| 15:46.28 | Dagmar | This, to me, is madness. |
| 15:47.43 | Jamash | what about it? |
| 15:47.47 | Dagmar | They're claiming to have made ten million dollars by... making other people not resell their games? |
| 15:48.01 | Jamash | makes sense to me |
| 15:48.44 | Dagmar | How did they come up with this figure? Ask new customers "If you could have bought this in a used game store for $5, would you?" |
| 15:49.59 | Jamash | presumably by tracking players who go from purchasing the $10 online pass to entering the single-use code that comes in the box when bought new |
| 15:50.27 | Dagmar | Yes, but that's not what they're saying |
| 15:50.36 | Jamash | isn't it? |
| 15:50.37 | Dagmar | I think they're just making this shit up |
| 15:50.50 | kaiden | it's called Creative Figure Estimation |
| 15:50.59 | Dagmar | Celarly |
| 15:51.00 | kaiden | it's doubtful they made 15$ from it let alone 15 million |
| 15:51.01 | kaiden | =) |
| 15:51.16 | kaiden | everyone knows EA's a bunch of jerkwads anyway |
| 15:51.24 | kaiden | stupidheads not allowing games to be sold over steam anymore |
| 15:51.35 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 15:51.42 | Dagmar | That would be the reason why they'd want to make some shit up |
| 15:52.04 | Dagmar | Them screwing around with Valve doesn't do their future profit outlook any great favors |
| 15:53.05 | Dagmar | To make my complaint clearer, their Online Pass is apparently supposed to make people not buy used games |
| 15:53.21 | Dagmar | ...which would mean for it to be successful, they'd have to actually make people not buy used games. |
| 15:53.25 | Jamash | eh, minecraft isn't on steam for the same reason as EA games aren't going to be on steam |
| 15:53.54 | Dagmar | If they made ten million dollars by selling one million Online Passes to people who *bought* used games and wanted to play them online, that would be money, but it would be counter to their stated goal |
| 15:54.24 | Dagmar | I don't see much point in putting MInecraft on Steam yet |
| 15:54.30 | Jamash | I do |
| 15:54.36 | Dagmar | It's still unfinished |
| 15:54.37 | Jamash | you could sell it to people via Steam |
| 15:54.43 | Jamash | oh whatever |
| 15:54.51 | Dagmar | It's launcher is also more lightweight |
| 15:54.57 | Dagmar | (Although that's just funny0 |
| 15:55.21 | Dagmar | Maybe after he gets to a final release it would make sense |
| 15:55.38 | Jamash | of course they're releasing minecraft on ecksblah which is ten times more restrictive than Steam...? |
| 15:56.22 | Dagmar | Brown is quoted in that article as saying the $10 fees have amounted to "$10-15 million" |
| 15:56.26 | Dagmar | This article's just crap |
| 15:56.41 | Jamash | no he's not |
| 15:56.51 | Dagmar | WTF is ecksblah |
| 15:57.22 | kaiden | that's what iw as wondering |
| 15:57.23 | kaiden | never heard of it |
| 15:57.41 | Dagmar | It doesn't even Google |
| 15:57.53 | Jamash | it's how Yahtzee pronounces XBLA |
| 15:58.47 | Dagmar | That's for the console port |
| 15:58.53 | Jamash | ...and? |
| 15:59.09 | Dagmar | You can't really sell downloadable games for Xbox without going through XBLA |
| 15:59.16 | Jamash | ...and? |
| 15:59.29 | Dagmar | The Xbox is not the only platform out there. |
| 15:59.47 | Jamash | I'd say ...and? again but I don't want to get spamblocked |
| 15:59.50 | Dagmar | The five million or whatever players are PC users. |
| 16:00.45 | Jamash | so giving up control of hat sales is OK as long as it's on xbox but not on pc? |
| 16:01.08 | Dagmar | gives you a look |
| 16:01.23 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 16:01.26 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure there's not even hats in the 1.8-pre |
| 16:01.28 | Fisker | would even hey Jamash |
| 16:01.33 | Fisker | but he called me a spycrab |
| 16:01.36 | Fisker | which i don't like |
| 16:02.04 | Adys | Dagmar: yay http://dpaste.com/612449/ |
| 16:02.26 | Jamash | Dagmar: http://notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch |
| 16:03.05 | Jamash | "It would effectively split the Minecraft community into two parts, where only some of the players can access all of the weird content we want to add to the game." <---- which is exactly what putting it on XBLA does |
| 16:03.09 | Dagmar | Adys: So you've got an in-place recycle bin? |
| 16:03.41 | Adys | Dagmar: and a lib for it |
| 16:03.52 | Adys | https://github.com/adys/python-trash |
| 16:04.41 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 16:04.43 | Fisker | stop being so wrong |
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| 16:05.24 | Dagmar | Jamash: He says "probably". I know it sounds like a thin out, but the guy just put together the company this year. Mucking about with doing more than merely making the occasional comment about whether Steam or XBLA is time he's _starting_ to figure out he doesn't have |
| 16:07.31 | Jamash | I think you left out part of that last sentence |
| 16:07.42 | Dagmar | Since XBLA is _required_ to sell to Xbox users, if they want to sell it there they have to go through XBLA. Beyond that there's not really any overhead in man-hours |
| 16:07.59 | Jamash | that has nothing to do with it |
| 16:08.02 | Dagmar | And no, I didn't leave anything out in that last sentence |
| 16:08.23 | Dagmar | I've been somewhat amusing myself watching Notch's productivity go up and down based on what media people have wanted of his time |
| 16:08.30 | Jamash | "Mucking about with doing more than merely making the occasional comment about whether Steam or XBLA" <--- whether steam or xbla what |
| 16:08.45 | Dagmar | Nope. Didn't leave anything out. |
| 16:08.54 | Jamash | whether steam or xbla what |
| 16:09.06 | Dagmar | He is time-constrained. |
| 16:09.21 | Jamash | Is there an echo in here or is it the inside of your skull |
| 16:09.41 | Dagmar | No, but there's someone who acts like they're new to English. |
| 16:09.58 | Jamash | I know but I'm trying to be patient with you about it |
| 16:10.56 | bluspacecow | i seepy |
| 16:11.10 | Dagmar | Dude, there's work involved in going to either platform. Work that Notch is somewhat finally turning over to hirelings, but just the same has clearly been sucking up time from the other actual coding projects he's doing. |
| 16:11.30 | Shirik | this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl4vwhwkW8&sns=em |
| 16:11.34 | Jamash | if I write "I'm not sure whether tea or coffee" there's part of that sentence missing |
| 16:12.13 | Dagmar | No you're not. There's this little thing called context. |
| 16:12.15 | Jamash | such as "I want to drink" or "is cheapest" or "burns the hottest" |
| 16:12.24 | Jamash | I'm not what? |
| 16:12.34 | Dagmar | If you're a doctor and you're standing over patient's bed with an empty needle in your hand and you say that, the patient is going to freak out |
| 16:12.38 | Jamash | Dagmar: Are you high? |
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| 16:13.08 | Dagmar | If you're at a cafe and you say that, should anyone in their right mind assume you're talking about say, deciding whether or not you want to inject tea or coffee directly into your own eyeballs? |
| 16:13.13 | Fisker | hey Shorok |
| 16:13.14 | Dagmar | Or perhaps the eyeballs of passers-by? |
| 16:13.23 | bluspacecow | sounds good dagmar |
| 16:13.24 | Jamash | Are we at a cafe? |
| 16:13.34 | bluspacecow | can i get mine with a swedish blonde with large boobs ? |
| 16:13.38 | Dagmar | No, we're talking about selling a game on fucking vendor platforms. |
| 16:13.43 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.49 | Fisker | sup bluspacecow ? |
| 16:13.50 | Jamash | And does "whether steam or xbla" mean anything? |
| 16:13.55 | bluspacecow | i sleepy |
| 16:13.56 | Dagmar | It should be goddamn obvious that any choosing has to do with choosing whether or not to ship through that vehicle. |
| 16:14.14 | Dagmar | As opposed to "having anal sex with the company sales reps" |
| 16:14.21 | Jamash | you left out the word "choosing" brah |
| 16:14.28 | Dagmar | No, I did not. |
| 16:14.51 | Jamash | also a few other words |
| 16:15.02 | Fisker | and i'm the channel troll apparently |
| 16:15.12 | Dagmar | Fiker: You are slacking today, mate |
| 16:15.14 | Jamash | "choosing whether to release his game on Steam and/or XBLA" would make a real sentence |
| 16:15.29 | Dagmar | To an anal-retentive English teacher, perhaps |
| 16:15.39 | bluspacecow | *hands random troll saying signs to fisker* |
| 16:15.43 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 16:15.48 | Fisker | isad bluspacecow |
| 16:15.52 | Dagmar | Note the lack of "bro". |
| 16:16.00 | bluspacecow | i fail @ trolling |
| 16:16.05 | Dagmar | "u mad bro?" is apparently terribly racist now. |
| 16:16.06 | bluspacecow | i maid |
| 16:16.32 | Shirik | don't tase me bro |
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| 16:16.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:16.48 | Dagmar | Watch in suspense as I dangle this helpless participle, squirming and struggling, over a deep chasm of ennui |
| 16:16.53 | Jamash | also, he's not talking about not having enough time to figure it out, he's talking about the specific details of the digital distribution model of steam that make it so he doesn't want to sell minecraft on it, but which are less restrictive than the XBLA model |
| 16:17.41 | Dagmar | Dude, as far as I've been able to tell, Steam would be slightly more coding work involved |
| 16:17.53 | Jamash | The justification he gives for not selling on Steam is not the coding work |
| 16:18.05 | Dagmar | That may or may not be true, but either way, nothing's being shipped through XBLA yet either |
| 16:18.08 | Fisker | He's not giving any justification for anything |
| 16:18.12 | Jamash | he is actually |
| 16:18.17 | Fisker | he isn't actually |
| 16:18.31 | Fisker | since you're being such a dick about other peoples english, perhaps you should need some lessons yourself? |
| 16:18.41 | Dagmar | XBLA doesnt' care. Steam wants content-like stuff to go through their servers so that it will always be there |
| 16:18.51 | Jamash | "we just don’t want to limit what we can do with Minecraft" is a justification for not selling minecraft on steam |
| 16:19.02 | Jamash | which applies ten times over for XBLA |
| 16:19.06 | Dagmar | Ah but it IS a justification for not bothering at the present time |
| 16:19.16 | Dagmar | I think you're trying to read too much into the things he says |
| 16:19.24 | Dagmar | He is still way too casual with his pronouncements |
| 16:19.29 | Fisker | Jamash read the whole thing, then come back |
| 16:19.32 | Jamash | Dagmar: are you serious about XBLA not caring whether you go through Microsoft for every penny of every transaction? |
| 16:19.46 | Dagmar | ...or rather, far more casual with what he puts on his blogs than one would expect from a VP of somewhere. |
| 16:20.11 | Jamash | Fisker: I've read the whole thing three times |
| 16:20.12 | Dagmar | You did note that he was talking about a map exchange, right? |
| 16:20.17 | bluspacecow | *thunk* |
| 16:20.18 | Fisker | you really haven't Jamash |
| 16:20.19 | bluspacecow | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 16:20.28 | Dagmar | One of the beefs Valve had with EA was that godforsaken Sims Exchange |
| 16:20.43 | Dagmar | ...which made the whole thing into a big ass mess because their site STILL isn't reliable and doesn't work properly half the time. |
| 16:20.50 | Dagmar | Steam detests that sort of thing |
| 16:21.27 | Dagmar | A map exchange is highly unlikely to involve money in any way |
| 16:21.44 | Dagmar | ...but it *would* need to go through Valve's infrastructure. |
| 16:21.55 | Jamash | aight, if you can't read words I'm done |
| 16:22.00 | Dagmar | Fair enough. |
| 16:22.11 | Fisker | ell oh ell Jamash |
| 16:22.34 | Fisker | The entire discussion is sparked by your inability to read words |
| 16:22.35 | Dagmar | One also _must_ have Steam to get content through Steam. The game must be purchased through Steam, even. |
| 16:22.39 | Jamash | Dagmar: I'm just curious how you operate a computer with your learning disorder |
| 16:23.05 | Dagmar | I make up the difference by managing them in bulk. |
| 16:23.32 | Dagmar | You, on the other hand, get to explain how one could do a content exchange through Steam that wouldn't involve setting up two entirely separate stores of data |
| 16:23.57 | starlon | Is Cygwin the best way to interface GIT on Windows, or is there some GUI? |
| 16:24.25 | Jamash | tortoisegit? |
| 16:24.31 | starlon | k |
| 16:24.32 | Dagmar | starlon: Ther'es probably a Tortoise git by now, but whether or not that's more useful than Cygwin I guess relies on how much you care about dpkg |
| 16:24.48 | Jamash | dpkg? |
| 16:24.59 | Jamash | is there dpkg for cygwin now? |
| 16:25.10 | starlon | what's dpkg? |
| 16:25.25 | Jamash | package manager for debian-based linux distributions |
| 16:25.29 | starlon | oh |
| 16:25.34 | Dagmar | I didnt look too closely but the last time I actually paid attention to Cygwin it looked like it was using a package manager very similar to dpkg if not actually dpkg |
| 16:25.54 | Dagmar | The gui looked _way_ much like what I saw the last time I used Debian's gui for it |
| 16:25.57 | Shirik | isn't the setup system essentially dpkg? |
| 16:26.14 | Jamash | they use a windows native package manager because (they claim) they can't upgrade cygwin.dll from a cygwin package manager |
| 16:26.23 | Dagmar | Shirik: Thank you. Otherwise Jamash would probably be accusing me of leaving more things out of a sentence |
| 16:26.51 | Jamash | also the cygwin setup exe looks nothing like any dpkg front end I've ever seen |
| 16:26.53 | starlon | forgot a period |
| 16:26.56 | starlon | grins. |
| 16:27.08 | Shirik | what it looks like is irrelevant compared to what it actually does |
| 16:27.13 | Dagmar | The last one I used had the same columns and crap as graphical dpkg interfaces. |
| 16:27.40 | Dagmar | Cygwin itself might be an MSI file for all I care, but all the packages it downloaded were sure as hell not windows installer packages. |
| 16:27.54 | Dagmar | Your control panel screen would be fucking MILES long |
| 16:28.40 | Jamash | Shirik: I was responding to dagmar's comment about how the gui looks |
| 16:28.42 | Dagmar | Last time I used it it pulled down 200+ more packages |
| 16:28.54 | Dagmar | Jamash is clearly in tunnel-vision mode today |
| 16:29.21 | Dagmar | The setup.exe is not all of Cygwin. |
| 16:30.38 | Jamash | Well, cygwin's package manager is divided into categories by default, I guess you could be forgiven for confusing the heinous and useless cygwin category view for the heinous and useless debian category view |
| 16:31.08 | Dagmar | Or I could go download the thing, start the setup.exe which is an installer, and then post a screenshot of that, but I simply can't be bothered to give a shit. |
| 16:31.37 | Dagmar | If you wanna believe that Cygwin fits in a <1Mb installer exe, that's all you. |
| 16:31.51 | Jamash | I was just hoping that they'd given up on the lousy Win32 GUI and switched to apt-get/dpkg |
| 16:32.19 | Dagmar | Ah but lewk! There's a screenshot all ready to go in their docs. |
| 16:32.27 | Dagmar | http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/figures/cyi07packages.png |
| 16:33.00 | Dagmar | THat is all very much outside windows package space |
| 16:33.25 | Jamash | anyway they use their own custom package format |
| 16:34.34 | Jamash | pokes around |
| 16:34.47 | Jamash | actually it's just .tar.bz2 |
| 16:36.18 | Jamash | I wasn't trying to pick nits, I genuinely thought you meant that cygwin had started using dpkg and I thought that would be awesome |
| 16:37.08 | Jamash | 'cause cygwin setup.exe isn't as good |
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| 16:38.27 | Dagmar | Oh lord know. |
| 16:38.29 | Dagmar | er no |
| 16:38.48 | Dagmar | I've watched people struggling to try and get actual dpkg working under Cygwin |
| 16:39.35 | durcyn | you people will argue over fucking anything |
| 16:39.44 | Dagmar | Cygwin's installer just looks dead up like early GUIs from before Synaptic's slightly fancier one. |
| 16:39.49 | Jamash | durcyn: it's true |
| 16:40.06 | Jamash | I think it's the defining aspect of humanity |
| 16:40.18 | Dagmar | All the same things are in there, up to and including pinning individual packages to a given release or particular branch (unstable, experimental, stale, etc) |
| 16:40.59 | durcyn | and speaking of pointless arguments, Dagmar, i should probably mention that cygwin's installer existed before synaptic |
| 16:41.07 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean a _ways_ back. The last time I dealt with Debian directly was shortly after people started announcing how "easy" it was to get Debian installed |
| 16:41.32 | Dagmar | They'd tell you "Oh you just boot this and tell it to install the X package and it will pull in all the otehr dependencies |
| 16:42.03 | Dagmar | What they didn't tell you (or realize) that that would leave you with only the dependencies to get X on the screen, and not a damn thing else. |
| 16:42.12 | Jamash | someone needs to set "tasksel" on fire |
| 16:42.47 | Dagmar | ...so you'd be staring at a herringbone pattern on your screen and no window managers, no apps, nothing else that wasn't directly required for launching the X server. |
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| 16:43.40 | Jamash | Dagmar: I haven't used debian in a while but that's what the "<desktop environment>-desktop" meta-packages in ubuntu are for |
| 16:43.48 | Dagmar | Thank god for those lol |
| 16:43.48 | durcyn | Dagmar: most xfree86 packages at the time still included twm |
| 16:44.18 | Dagmar | durcyn: Yeah but at the time it was either not shipping with X or they culled it |
| 16:44.31 | Dagmar | I do absolutely mean "just a herringbone pattern" |
| 16:44.37 | Jamash | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 |
| 16:44.55 | Dagmar | This was around Slackware 3.3 days or thereabouts |
| 16:44.56 | Jamash | I hate tasksel so much |
| 16:45.23 | Dagmar | I decided to stick with the distro that didnt' invite me to make bad guesses about dependencies |
| 16:46.07 | Dagmar | Bleh I'm not having any luck digging up dpkg interfaces in motif widgets screenshots, but that's not suprising |
| 16:46.33 | Jamash | Dagmar: wait, are you talking about 1997? |
| 16:46.48 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding when I say I've been using Linux a long goddamn time |
| 16:47.10 | Dagmar | The only thing I kept WfWg around was for work stuff. |
| 16:47.29 | Jamash | oh yeah, I got started around...1999? |
| 16:47.47 | Dagmar | You got to miss the wonderful days of floppy disksets then. ;) |
| 16:47.58 | Jamash | back when getting sound to work was about like getting sound to work in DOS |
| 16:48.16 | durcyn | oh god, OSS, fuck OSS forever |
| 16:48.20 | Jamash | set the IRQ, probe the io port, blah blah |
| 16:49.00 | durcyn | specific kernel args to get your ISA sound blaster to halfway work |
| 16:49.04 | Jamash | Dagmar: I have installed OSes from floppies, but not linux |
| 16:49.52 | Jamash | I had a red hat 5 book with a cd in it |
| 16:50.20 | pnorman | I installed FreeBSD from a floppy |
| 16:50.27 | Jamash | even then I could tell that RPM was bad and for bads |
| 16:50.38 | Jamash | "why doesn't dependency management ever work?" |
| 16:50.39 | Dagmar | Yeah I generally ordered CDs from Cheapbytes, but there were still many passes of downloading small stacks of floppies in the lab |
| 16:50.58 | Dagmar | Meh. Mainly the reason it didn't work was people expected it to be psychic then |
| 16:51.15 | Dagmar | ..not like that's changed much, and it's gotten worse in other ways with some distros |
| 16:51.37 | Jamash | I'm not talking about being psychic, I'm talking about working at all |
| 16:51.41 | Dagmar | There's some crap in RHEL that results in what would normally be a headless machine downloading half of both KDE and GNOME anyway |
| 16:52.01 | Jamash | as in, install package, not all dependencies are installed, package doesn't work, weep softly to self |
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| 16:52.28 | durcyn | fifteen years later red hat is still backporting thousands of patches just because of their shitty pegged version number RPMs |
| 16:52.32 | durcyn | the whole format should die |
| 16:52.33 | Dagmar | Yeah there was still an expectation that as the admin, you're supposed to actually realize which things are needed in all cases |
| 16:53.01 | Jamash | so basically they expected the sysadmin to be psychic |
| 16:53.01 | Dagmar | durcyn: No arguments there, particularly since it still doesn't appear to handle selinux labels |
| 16:53.32 | Dagmar | No, like Volkerding was pretty vocal about, they expected the sysadmin to actually understand how what they're installing worked because it was part of the job description. |
| 16:54.10 | Jamash | then why were they selling it to the general public in books, that's what I want to know |
| 16:54.23 | Dagmar | Because the CD was worth more than the book. |
| 16:54.33 | Jamash | I mean if it had a sticker that said "YOU MUST BE THIS BEARDED TO RIDE" that would have been different |
| 16:54.42 | Dagmar | You were lookking at downloading hundreds of megabytes over bloody modems which weren't even close to 56k |
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| 16:55.10 | durcyn | depends on the book. my first linux book was SuSE ca 1996, and it taught me how to build a kernel before i lit it on fire. |
| 16:55.18 | Dagmar | ...and there were also all those middle-aged "admins" who still didn't believe in man pages. |
| 16:55.31 | Dagmar | Some of the paper documentation worship levels were unreal |
| 16:55.37 | Jamash | wait, what |
| 16:55.47 | Dagmar | VMS docs came on a bloody rolling cart with three ring binders attached to the top of it |
| 16:55.53 | Jamash | pa-per doc-u-men-tation? |
| 16:56.06 | Jamash | I am unfamiliar with these words of yours |
| 16:56.20 | Dagmar | Yeah NOW it sounds like lunacy, but pre 90's if it wasn't printed, the corporate world believed it didn't actually exist |
| 16:56.27 | Jamash | oh, back when the documentation would have taken up more room on disk than the OS itself |
| 16:56.33 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 16:56.38 | Dagmar | An entire bloody rolling cart |
| 16:56.43 | Jamash | eek |
| 16:57.09 | Dagmar | A stack of three ring binders containing about two stacked feet of paper |
| 16:57.28 | Dagmar | The addendums were generally kept on two shelves below this rolling documentation altar/podium |
| 16:57.53 | Dagmar | *grin* I can also remember when you could print out a map of the internet on greenbar and it would only take up one wall |
| 16:58.28 | Dagmar | Now you could cover all of Wrigley Field in iPhone displays and still not be able to keep up |
| 16:58.50 | Dagmar | (It would be awesome to walk around on tho) |
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| 17:00.27 | Jamash | Red Hat Linux Unleashed; Paperback: 1020 pages http://amzn.com/067231410X |
| 17:00.40 | Jamash | made a good doorstop |
| 17:01.48 | Jamash | I doubt I read even a tenth of it |
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| 17:15.35 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 17:15.40 | Fisker | got your tactical enhancements yet? |
| 17:16.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:16.54 | Jamash | tactiwhoo? |
| 17:17.32 | Jamash | oh deus ex |
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| 17:42.00 | Fisker | hey Elkano |
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| 17:58.46 | zenzelezz | well this is pretty website... http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ |
| 18:09.19 | cbreak | zenzelezz: not as good as this one: http://zlib.net/ |
| 18:11.36 | zenzelezz | I'd argue zlib's site looks cleaner |
| 18:12.01 | cbreak | yes. |
| 18:12.17 | cbreak | has to search for libgif |
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| 18:12.21 | cbreak | I heard it belongs to compuserve |
| 18:12.25 | cbreak | it can only be a nightmare :) |
| 18:12.40 | zenzelezz | in case I wasn't being clear, I was being utterly sarcastic when I linked the libpng site |
| 18:13.11 | cbreak | I thought you liked retro ware :( |
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| 18:35.57 | Maldivia | Adys, did DW show early tiday? |
| 18:36.47 | Maldivia | nvm |
| 18:38.35 | Fisker | old |
| 18:38.41 | Fisker | you should play more D3 |
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| 18:48.08 | airtonix | hey Fisker |
| 18:48.25 | airtonix | my world has been destroyed |
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| 18:56.25 | Fisker | great |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker | i hope you die with it |
| 19:00.00 | airtonix | well it only lasted 10min and 38 secs |
| 19:00.28 | airtonix | so it wasn't really much of a life |
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| 19:45.23 | olafski | "wts vial of the sands, also crafting it for a fee" first question: do u craft it for free? / second question: can u craft? |
| 19:45.29 | olafski | maybe I should include a tldr next time= ( |
| 19:49.03 | Fisker | aww olafski |
| 19:49.07 | Fisker | hey again kd3 |
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| 19:57.20 | airtonix | i was just playing beta again |
| 19:57.34 | airtonix | i was deep dark and scary |
| 20:21.37 | Fisker | i am bored Sixen |
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| 20:28.00 | Adys | olafski: are you selling it? |
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| 20:47.10 | Adys | cbreak: i have an app that runs in the background (a volume control); how am I supposed to catch when a specific key (volume up/down) is pressed? |
| 20:47.39 | cbreak | hmm... while in the background? |
| 20:47.43 | Adys | yea |
| 20:47.44 | Adys | well |
| 20:47.50 | Adys | its not focused |
| 20:48.14 | cbreak | don't know. for apps that are in the foreground I usually put some QAction into the menu bar |
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| 20:48.34 | Maldivia | add a global keyboard hook for it ? |
| 20:48.53 | Adys | how? |
| 20:48.54 | cbreak | I don't think Qt has an api for that |
| 20:48.55 | Adys | (python) |
| 20:49.01 | cbreak | so you might have to do something platform specific |
| 20:50.17 | aggixx | Is there a function to limit the number of lines in a multi-line editbox? Looked and I couldn't find one. |
| 20:50.25 | Adys | cbreak: I dont even know where to start |
| 20:50.31 | Adys | aggixx: i doubt it |
| 20:50.58 | Maldivia | Adys: for X, add a listerner on the root window - on Windows: SetWindowsHookEx |
| 20:51.22 | Adys | that would require xlib |
| 20:51.23 | Adys | ugh |
| 20:51.30 | aggixx | Guessing my best option is to just constantly check for too many lines and then delete the new line if it goes past the limit? |
| 20:51.32 | Adys | ill have to find bindings again |
| 20:51.38 | Adys | aggixx: probably |
| 20:51.45 | Adys | aggixx: why not a char limit instead of line? |
| 20:52.06 | aggixx | going for a fixed box size, I don't care if the lines are super long. |
| 20:52.32 | Adys | not sure i understand; textbox has scrollbars |
| 20:53.03 | cbreak | aggixx: constantly? no, just when someone enters new text |
| 20:53.09 | aggixx | well, yeah |
| 20:53.32 | aggixx | the idea is it's going to print the text in the editbox to chat, so putting in a line limit would be a spam constraint |
| 20:55.52 | cbreak | easier: |
| 20:56.00 | cbreak | just print the first n lines and ignore the rest |
| 20:58.16 | aggixx | easier yeah, but wouldn't make for a very clean UI |
| 20:58.34 | cbreak | then just remove the text you sent |
| 20:58.35 | aggixx | I'd still have to at the very least check if they've gone past the max lines to tell them that it's not all going to get printer |
| 20:58.38 | cbreak | and leave the left over lines in the box |
| 20:58.40 | airtonix | who cares? |
| 20:58.49 | airtonix | most of your users use windows |
| 20:58.58 | airtonix | they're used to crap user interfaces |
| 21:00.33 | Phelps | airtonix: lol |
| 21:01.03 | airtonix | :< |
| 21:01.21 | Phelps | what OS do you use ? |
| 21:01.28 | Phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.32 | airtonix | none of your business |
| 21:01.49 | Phelps | probably linux or mac |
| 21:01.58 | Thunder_Child | airtonix uses his imagination, tits the only UI thats good enough for him |
| 21:02.03 | cbreak | (psst... he's an iOS user) |
| 21:02.04 | Thunder_Child | s/tits/its/ |
| 21:02.11 | airtonix | giggidy... tits |
| 21:02.32 | airtonix | now there's an interface that provides affordance |
| 21:03.00 | Phelps | my guess is linux, from the build string |
| 21:03.00 | Phelps | dist-611ebcc |
| 21:03.17 | Phelps | Kubuntu, possibly |
| 21:03.23 | airtonix | you know assumptions are going to be your downfall |
| 21:03.39 | Phelps | i gotta go somewhere |
| 21:05.09 | aggixx | second dumb question: Anyone see a problem with this code? Text isn't showing up. http://pastebin.com/THTehTKj |
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| 21:06.24 | airtonix | ~api setpoint |
| 21:06.25 | purl | !api setpoint |
| 21:06.25 | lua_bot | Region:SetPoint: Sets an anchor point for the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint) |
| 21:06.48 | airtonix | i seem to remember using the longer syntax for that |
| 21:06.53 | aggixx | Oh. I see. |
| 21:06.58 | airtonix | point, x,y, point |
| 21:06.59 | Phelps | airtonix: is Quassel nice ? |
| 21:07.09 | Phelps | I've never heard of that client before |
| 21:07.17 | airtonix | i don't know, is it? |
| 21:07.25 | aggixx | I've used it as (point, x, y) in other places and it works fine 0.o |
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| 21:08.29 | Iriel | aggixx: is the font valid (have you tried using SetFont(ChatFontNormal) or somesuch |
| 21:08.32 | Phelps_q | its kinda ugly :p |
| 21:09.14 | Phelps_q | but I can do this, mwahaha |
| 21:09.14 | airtonix | probably because you'r using windows |
| 21:09.22 | Iriel | aggixx: is the frame visible? /dump BossAssigns_BossName_FontString:IsVisible(), it it on screen /dump BossAssigns_BossName_FontString:GetRect() |
| 21:09.32 | aggixx | using the same font in a different part of the code, so doubt that's it |
| 21:09.56 | Phelps_q | no airtonix, much worse (at least thats what everyone in here thinks) |
| 21:10.16 | airtonix | oh ok, so you're on windows 7 mobile then |
| 21:10.20 | Phelps_q | http://goo.gl/51YXj |
| 21:10.25 | Iriel | aggixx: if you're using it more than once you should make a Font out of it, and share that |
| 21:10.36 | Iriel | aggixx: rather than repeatedly initializing it on fontstrings |
| 21:10.43 | airtonix | i'm not clicking that link |
| 21:10.54 | Phelps | what the longer dropbox link ? |
| 21:11.00 | Phelps | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19145606/grabs/20110910161008.png |
| 21:11.07 | airtonix | i don't want any of your smelly links |
| 21:11.53 | aggixx | noted. GetRect returned nil, but a FontString isn't a region, right? |
| 21:11.58 | Phelps | http://d3invites.64bits.co/ |
| 21:12.35 | Iriel | if it returns nil it usually means you're not fully anchored |
| 21:12.54 | airtonix | seems legit |
| 21:12.54 | Iriel | do you get nil from a GetRect on the parent frame? |
| 21:12.56 | aggixx | well the fontstring returned nil, the frame returns all 4 values |
| 21:13.11 | Iriel | Try doing a :SetAllPoints() on your font string |
| 21:13.29 | Iriel | and yes, a FontString is a region |
| 21:13.42 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 21:14.27 | aggixx | GetRect returns now, but it's still not (anecdotally) visable. |
| 21:14.38 | aggixx | Or visible, rather. |
| 21:14.46 | Iriel | but it's "IsVisbile" visible? |
| 21:14.52 | aggixx | yeah |
| 21:14.57 | Iriel | And the rect is on the screen? |
| 21:15.05 | Iriel | and you're not doing anything bizarre with alpha or scale? |
| 21:15.11 | aggixx | yep |
| 21:15.15 | aggixx | nope |
| 21:15.23 | Iriel | How annoying |
| 21:15.58 | Iriel | I'd be inclined to create a texture, anchor it to the font string, and make it bright blue or something just to see it for sure, but that'd be a sanity check, it wouldn't really help 8-) |
| 21:16.10 | aggixx | heh, ok |
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| 21:16.57 | Maldivia | and go djokovic! |
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| 21:20.24 | aggixx | wait, wat. |
| 21:20.29 | aggixx | I just did that, and now it shows up. |
| 21:21.22 | Iriel | did you forget to save or reload in there somewhere/ |
| 21:21.38 | Iriel | that's usually been my "WTF" moment explanation |
| 21:21.46 | aggixx | highly doubt it |
| 21:22.48 | aggixx | I appreciate the help though! |
| 21:25.40 | Iriel | That or running the code twice so the global points at the wrong frame 8-) |
| 21:25.44 | Iriel | Anyway, glad it's working now |
| 21:25.46 | Iriel | Enjoy. |
| 21:28.32 | Adys | Phelps: you use quassel? |
| 21:28.46 | Phelps | nah, I use Linkinus |
| 21:29.04 | Phelps | quassel is ugly on mac :p |
| 21:29.24 | Adys | anyone who uses quassel here could tell me whether its possible to use the client without the core (or something like that - I just want the client basically) |
| 21:31.07 | nevcairiel | you can use the monolithic client, its basically client+core melted into one |
| 21:31.20 | nevcairiel | but i would wonder why. the client is really not that great |
| 21:31.25 | nevcairiel | its only great because of the core features |
| 21:32.23 | Adys | well i just want an xchat that uses qt |
| 21:32.30 | Adys | im tired as fuck of xchat's gtk stupidshittiness |
| 21:32.46 | Adys | im trying to set up the core now anyway |
| 21:32.49 | Adys | but ive no idea how |
| 21:33.03 | Maldivia | Adys, pssh... grow up and use a console client... ;) |
| 21:33.23 | nevcairiel | core setup is rather trivial, just start it. :) |
| 21:33.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: did, but its asking me for account name in the client |
| 21:33.56 | cbreak | on a linux I'd use irssi |
| 21:34.14 | Adys | i tried console clients, i just dont like them |
| 21:34.16 | cbreak | if you want a gui with windows, no idea :( |
| 21:34.21 | Adys | you know, I like being able to right click :P |
| 21:34.22 | Maldivia | cbreak: BX is too bitchy for you ? :) |
| 21:34.27 | cbreak | on OS X, colloquy isn't bad |
| 21:34.45 | cbreak | Maldivia: nah, I just tried irssi first. and why switch? :) |
| 21:35.07 | nevcairiel | Adys: on first connection it should show some kind of core-configuration guide |
| 21:35.07 | Fisker | hello nevcairiel |
| 21:35.29 | Maldivia | cbreak: hehe, I used to use BX, but switched to irssi :P |
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| 21:36.07 | Jamash | I use pidgin and znc |
| 21:36.11 | Adys | nevcairiel: i just see the client, nothing else |
| 21:36.18 | Adys | "add core account" |
| 21:36.20 | Adys | is that it? |
| 21:36.31 | nevcairiel | You started the core, right? |
| 21:36.36 | Adys | yea |
| 21:36.43 | Adys | altho |
| 21:36.43 | Adys | QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv2_server_method |
| 21:36.55 | Jamash | we heard you like logging in to irc, so we added an irc login to your irc login |
| 21:36.58 | nevcairiel | in the config under remote cores, just add it |
| 21:37.06 | nevcairiel | when you connect, it should ask some config questions |
| 21:37.31 | Adys | got it |
| 21:37.52 | airtonix | Adys: you can use quassel without the core |
| 21:38.17 | airtonix | but you need to install different package for client |
| 21:39.13 | Adys | i compile it |
| 21:39.28 | airtonix | oh you so strong |
| 21:51.35 | olafski | < Adys> olafski: are you selling it? <-- yes, how did you guess :-) |
| 21:51.50 | Adys | is it the vial of the sands |
| 21:53.00 | Jamash | can you craft me the vial for free, and also pay for the vendor reagents and also the gathered reagents? |
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| 22:21.14 | olafski | sure jamash, whisper me ingame |
| 22:21.30 | Adys | olafski: are you ingame |
| 22:22.02 | olafski | not right now! |
| 22:22.10 | Adys | ok |
| 22:22.15 | Adys | so are you saying i cant whisper you right now? |
| 22:22.20 | olafski | playing warcraft 3 keke |
| 22:24.59 | Adys | okay |
| 22:25.06 | Adys | so it's warcraft 3 you're playing, not wow? |
| 22:31.30 | Ackis | why are you not in game olafski? |
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| 22:37.58 | Ackis | http://animalsbeingdicks.com |
| 22:38.02 | Ackis | win website |
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| 22:55.25 | Jamash | I'm hungry |
| 22:58.13 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 23:02.42 | Jamash | how do you duel a bot, anyway? |
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| 23:23.32 | Fisker | Jamash is awesome |
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| 23:39.17 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kbfwd/so_im_in_an_area_that_flooded_the_local_petco/ |
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