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| 00:44.32 | Mikk | well ".." makes sense in a sub folder of a zip fs |
| 00:44.55 | Mikk | ~wowalert |
| 00:44.55 | purl | i heard wowalert is http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 00:53.26 | Phelps | hah |
| 00:53.31 | Phelps | a random prefix ? |
| 00:53.38 | Phelps | ~wowalert |
| 00:53.39 | purl | somebody said wowalert was http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 00:53.42 | Phelps | :p |
| 00:54.44 | mckenziemc1 | what? |
| 00:55.01 | mckenziemc1 | ~trout Phelps |
| 00:55.01 | purl | ACTION slaps Phelps around a bit with a large trout! |
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| 01:22.24 | mckenziemc | ~trout Torhal |
| 01:22.24 | purl | ACTION slaps Torhal around a bit with a large trout! |
| 01:23.00 | Torhal | stuffs mckenziemc into a pitted olive. |
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| 02:07.19 | kd3 | hahaha; http://www.king5.com/news/Boy-trhowing-rocks-from-overpass-shot-by-crossbow-128674563.html |
| 02:07.29 | Dagmar | Justice! |
| 02:08.56 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 02:09.14 | durcyn | you'd think if they fixed the typo in the article title, they'd also adjust the SEO-bait URI |
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| 02:35.57 | n4ru | Anyone know about the changes to SendAddonMessage(); this hotfix? |
| 02:36.03 | n4ru | Apparently it's not limited for starter accounts. |
| 02:36.09 | n4ru | Anyone know what's up with that? A LOT of my addons broke. |
| 02:37.03 | Seerah | how are your addons broken? |
| 02:37.16 | n4ru | Anything communicating with other addons ceased to work. |
| 02:37.26 | n4ru | With other players' addons. |
| 02:37.48 | n4ru | Because they removed the ability to use "CHANNEL" target apparently, and "WHISPER" on trial accounts. |
| 02:37.56 | n4ru | Subscribed accounts have had no problems. |
| 02:38.15 | kd3 | that sounds like the standard restrictions on trial accounts? |
| 02:38.18 | Seerah | SendAddonMessage only uses the addon communication channel |
| 02:38.19 | n4ru | No |
| 02:38.26 | n4ru | Prior to this hotfix it worked perfectly. |
| 02:38.26 | Seerah | not public channels or whispers |
| 02:38.47 | n4ru | I'm not completely sure as to how the API is handled but I know it communicates with other player addons |
| 02:38.54 | n4ru | And all my addons using it broke. |
| 02:39.06 | Seerah | what addons? Carbonite spams all users, I know. |
| 02:39.17 | n4ru | Pretty much all my RP addons are completely dead. |
| 02:39.23 | n4ru | But only on starter accounts |
| 02:39.26 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 02:39.31 | n4ru | Works perfect on my other account. |
| 02:39.41 | kd3 | make sure you look at the last bullet point. are you registering your prefixes? |
| 02:39.52 | Seerah | These would use SendChatMessage and (try to) keep a chat channel hidden to the user. |
| 02:40.02 | Seerah | and ^^ - that was added in the last patch or two |
| 02:40.03 | n4ru | It is not my addon that broke. |
| 02:40.25 | n4ru | I just decided to investigate and found the SendAddonMessage API to be the root cause. |
| 02:40.44 | Seerah | but, like I said, SendAddonMessage does not use CHANNEL or WHISPER |
| 02:40.57 | kd3 | it can use whisper in a few limited cases, though |
| 02:41.07 | Seerah | oh? |
| 02:41.08 | n4ru | Hold on let me find an example of something broken in another addon. |
| 02:41.21 | kd3 | points at the article |
| 02:41.29 | n4ru | I checked out the article |
| 02:41.31 | n4ru | It was the first thing I did. |
| 02:41.43 | mckenziemc | that was for seerah |
| 02:42.00 | Seerah | kd3: oh, I see you can communicate between people whispering eachother. |
| 02:42.05 | n4ru | ChatThrottleLib:SendAddonMessage("NORMAL", addonChannel, msg, "WHISPER", name) |
| 02:42.10 | n4ru | No longer works. |
| 02:42.34 | n4ru | (on starter accounts) |
| 02:43.10 | kd3 | note that starter accounts cannot normally whisper other users either. they may have finally enforced that limitation on the addon message equivalent |
| 02:43.24 | n4ru | So does that seem to be the case? |
| 02:43.25 | Seerah | which means patching a hole |
| 02:43.27 | kd3 | unless they're on each others' friends list |
| 02:43.29 | Seerah | if that is the case |
| 02:43.33 | n4ru | Right |
| 02:43.39 | n4ru | they are on each other's friends lists |
| 02:43.52 | kd3 | hrm |
| 02:43.55 | mckenziemc | idk if that could really be considered a hole |
| 02:43.57 | n4ru | This particular addon was used to communicate between trial players' addons after adding them to their friends list. |
| 02:44.14 | n4ru | From what I can see there was nothing bugged or exploitive in nature about using that. |
| 02:45.25 | Seerah | mckenziemc: well... if it was intended to be restricted in the first place... :p |
| 02:45.37 | mckenziemc | big if there |
| 02:46.11 | n4ru | It wasn't restricted for how long? 7 years? |
| 02:46.12 | n4ru | x_X |
| 02:46.23 | Seerah | hey, I'm just going off of what kd3 said. :p I don't have trial accounts, nor do I (knowingly) know people on my server that do. |
| 02:46.29 | mckenziemc | whispers are limited so spammers can't whisper random people without a real account |
| 02:46.37 | Seerah | yes |
| 02:46.54 | Xyphoid | are you using trial accounts for RP purposes? |
| 02:46.59 | Seerah | they restricted that because gold farmers would have an infinite supply of trial accounts otherwise |
| 02:47.05 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 02:47.10 | kd3 | trial accounts have had limitations on whispering and such shortly after their inception. more limits have been made explicit in the move to f2p |
| 02:47.27 | mckenziemc | but that doesn't tranlsate to addon whispers |
| 02:47.38 | mckenziemc | ofc this assumes there's no other reason for whispers to be limited |
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| 02:48.04 | Seerah | why would a trial account, someone new to the game and only getting a feel for it, need to use addons? |
| 02:48.14 | Seerah | or at least need to use addons that communicate with other users |
| 02:48.19 | mckenziemc | that's not the question |
| 02:48.28 | mckenziemc | the question is why would addons need to be restricted |
| 02:48.38 | Seerah | no, it's not exactly the question, but it may be along the line of thinking |
| 02:49.31 | Seerah | "let's restrict whispers" "but what if they want to use addons that communicate through whispers?" "why would they have need to? non-issue" |
| 02:49.33 | Seerah | shrugs |
| 02:50.03 | n4ru | I'm rather confused why they chose to do so all of a sudden x_X |
| 02:50.12 | n4ru | I used a few RP addons between a small group of friends that aren't trials. |
| 02:50.26 | Seerah | or maybe there was an addon that was spamming to other users by using a trial account over teh addon channel. |
| 02:50.39 | Seerah | thus they discovered the "hole" |
| 02:50.43 | n4ru | But what would that do? |
| 02:50.47 | mckenziemc | addon problem |
| 02:50.49 | n4ru | unless you had an addon that did something with that spam |
| 02:51.18 | n4ru | Aren't addon channel messages useless to anyone without the addon the message is targeting? |
| 02:51.45 | Seerah | Ah, I introduce you to the shady world of 3rd party addon sites :) |
| 02:52.06 | Seerah | even one or two cases is one or two too many |
| 02:52.08 | n4ru | But that's just addon malware then? |
| 02:52.13 | Seerah | (if this is what happened) |
| 02:52.15 | n4ru | What does that have to do with blizz, sounds like the addon is to blame. |
| 02:52.33 | Seerah | but I'm done with theories and devil's advocate. no one wants to hear it anyway |
| 02:53.04 | Seerah | no one said that Blizz was the cause. Only that it caused them to find a way that made it possible |
| 02:53.19 | Seerah | goes back to her work |
| 02:53.47 | n4ru | Thanks for the wise words Seerah. And thanks mckenziemc for somewhat agreeing with my speculations. |
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| 02:58.52 | mckenziemc | hmm, looks like trial accounts can't receive addon messages either, even from friends (yes i registered the prefix) |
| 02:59.41 | n4ru | So I was right then? |
| 02:59.44 | n4ru | Is it throwing errors? |
| 02:59.49 | n4ru | Or is it simply not working? |
| 02:59.55 | mckenziemc | no error, just silent |
| 02:59.57 | n4ru | I guess it's not a bug then, and it was in fact disabled? |
| 03:00.25 | mckenziemc | unless it was disabled because of a bug :P |
| 03:00.34 | n4ru | Only on Starter Accounts? |
| 03:00.35 | n4ru | O_o |
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| 03:00.58 | Seerah | possibly. |
| 03:01.02 | Seerah | or just disabled |
| 03:01.09 | Seerah | goes back *again* to her work >< |
| 03:01.37 | mckenziemc | not saying it wasn't intentional ;) |
| 03:01.39 | mckenziemc | just that bugs *can* do weird things |
| 03:01.45 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 03:02.00 | Seerah | hides IRC >< |
| 03:02.18 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:03.21 | mckenziemc | oh yay |
| 03:03.45 | Thunder_Child | focus Seerah, focus. |
| 03:03.50 | Thunder_Child | *evil grin* |
| 03:04.02 | mckenziemc | on the plus side, it looks like they fixed the issue where you'd show as online to your friends if you logged onto a trial account |
| 03:04.16 | mckenziemc | (they'd be able to whisper you and not know you didn't get their messages) |
| 03:04.38 | Seerah | bad TC >< |
| 03:04.48 | Thunder_Child | i know, but i couldnt help it |
| 03:07.36 | mckenziemc | although, if trial accounts can't do anything with addon messages, that means addon developers can't use them for testing :( |
| 03:07.40 | n4ru | The realID thing mckenziemc? |
| 03:07.43 | mckenziemc | granted they got by before trial accs |
| 03:07.45 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 03:07.51 | n4ru | Finally. |
| 03:07.56 | mckenziemc | before the change to trial accs* |
| 03:07.59 | n4ru | My friends would get pissed off and say I was ignoring them. |
| 03:08.03 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:10.22 | Phelps | you can talk to people over whispers, you just cant initiate the conversation |
| 03:10.34 | Phelps | you have to be spoken to first |
| 03:10.38 | mckenziemc | Phelps: we're talking about realID |
| 03:11.03 | Phelps | yeah, not sure about that |
| 03:11.24 | Phelps | i would be surprised if the friends list even worked tbh |
| 03:11.37 | Phelps | trial accounts are soooo limited its stupid |
| 03:12.11 | mckenziemc | realID is disabled for starter edition wow accounts even if the b.net account has active full accounts. If someone logged onto a starter edition account, their realID friends would see that person as logged on, but the person wouldn't receive and couldn't send any realID whispers |
| 03:12.39 | Phelps | thats pretty stupid |
| 03:12.52 | mckenziemc | luckily it was fixed :P |
| 03:13.13 | Phelps | where any lua functions added ? |
| 03:13.20 | Phelps | or changed |
| 03:13.32 | Phelps | ~wowluaonlinedocsofawesome |
| 03:13.35 | Phelps | nope? |
| 03:13.41 | mckenziemc | don't think so |
| 03:17.07 | kd3 | in 4.2.2? not much |
| 03:18.03 | Phelps | i get all these awesome idea, just to have them crushed |
| 03:22.18 | mckenziemc | !api LoadURLIndex |
| 03:22.18 | lua_bot | LoadURLIndex: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/LoadURLIndex) |
| 03:25.22 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.33 | Phelps | lol |
| 03:25.36 | mckenziemc | nvm |
| 03:25.36 | Phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.42 | Phelps | opens the bnet login page |
| 03:26.08 | mckenziemc | oh, because i'm an idiot >< |
| 03:26.18 | mckenziemc | i was trying /who on horde cities... on an alliance char |
| 03:26.29 | Seerah | >< |
| 03:26.32 | Phelps | i did that once.. felt like a total dumbass after too |
| 03:26.34 | kd3 | even then, you'll probably get a result or two, usually |
| 03:26.48 | Phelps | i spent about 5 minutes at it though |
| 03:26.52 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.30 | Phelps | not on my realm, rofl |
| 03:27.50 | n4ru | not on mine either |
| 03:28.11 | Phelps | so |
| 03:28.20 | Phelps | LoadURLIndex opens |
| 03:29.01 | Phelps | http://enus.nydus.battle.net/WOW/enUS/client/in_game_mail_link_<index> |
| 03:29.39 | Phelps | looks like its all for trial upgrade stuff |
| 03:30.08 | kd3 | that's what all of the loadurlindex calls seemed to link to when I skimmed over the 4.2.0a-4.2.2 diff |
| 03:32.39 | mckenziemc | so... blizzard sees the potential in expanding hyperlinks to do more than the few things they were used for in wotlk, yet still doesn't give us a clean way for addons to extend it without causing taint :( |
| 03:33.41 | Phelps | i wanna see what uses it |
| 03:33.56 | mckenziemc | ~framexml |
| 03:33.56 | purl | rumour has it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 03:34.13 | mckenziemc | FrameXML\ItemRef.lua |
| 03:34.47 | Phelps | i love the prefix stuff :p |
| 03:39.39 | Phelps | seems to not be used in the ui |
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| 03:40.43 | mckenziemc | hmm? |
| 03:41.46 | Phelps | LoadURLIndex is used once, and the function its used in, isnt used in its context anywhere |
| 03:42.11 | kd3 | that's because the rest of the time it's being used in a urlstring. look in globalstrings.lua. do a search for "urlIndex:" |
| 03:42.18 | kd3 | sans quotes |
| 03:42.30 | kd3 | FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua:CHAT_RESTRICTED = "A trial account may only send whispers to characters that have you on their friends list. \124cffffd000\124HurlIndex:2\124h[Click To Upgrade]\124h\124r"; |
| 03:43.24 | kd3 | the only valid indices appear to be 1 and 2 |
| 03:45.59 | Iriel | That sounds appropriately sandboxed |
| 03:46.09 | kd3 | yup |
| 03:53.29 | Phelps | i did a search for "urlIndex" |
| 03:53.43 | Phelps | my search filed me |
| 03:54.01 | Phelps | failed... sigh <_< |
| 03:54.57 | Adys | ppppppppffffff |
| 03:55.07 | Adys | finally got a working QZip |
| 03:55.30 | Adys | emulating filesystems sucks when you can't use / as a reliable root |
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| 04:29.03 | Antiarc | So |
| 04:29.17 | Antiarc | I got one of our raiders to sneak onto her boyfriend's computer and macro his PTT button to "/run FlipCameraYaw(360 * 7 / 19)" |
| 04:29.22 | Antiarc | Evil or evilist? |
| 04:29.57 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 04:30.22 | Antiarc | we're going to see how long it takes him to throw his computer out the window |
| 04:30.58 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:32.57 | mckenziemc | releases manhacks in Antiarc's neighborhood |
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| 04:33.50 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/flipper/commits/master |
| 04:33.52 | Adys | this is fun |
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| 05:31.57 | Fisker | Antiarc |
| 05:32.00 | Fisker | i'm not feeling so well |
| 05:32.08 | Fisker | btw Adys you having issues patching the launcher? |
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| 05:57.25 | mckenziemc1 | Fisker: is your launcher sick too? |
| 06:02.25 | Thunder_Child | is it a good thing or a bad thing that i am noticing that i own evertything that comes up on sale on steam |
| 06:09.45 | Cairenn | Well, it's good that you're noticing, so you don't end up buying the stuff a second time ... |
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| 06:18.08 | Adys | Fisker: nope why? |
| 06:18.29 | Fisker | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 06:18.36 | Fisker | apparently mine is broken |
| 06:18.43 | Adys | upload what exactly? |
| 06:18.57 | Fisker | just the launcher |
| 06:19.02 | Adys | launcher.exe? |
| 06:19.10 | Fisker | yep |
| 06:19.29 | Adys | Fisker: http://dedimine.com/public/Launcher.exe |
| 06:19.41 | mckenziemc | ^ keylogger |
| 06:21.15 | Fisker | i wish |
| 06:21.18 | Fisker | i'm also sick |
| 06:21.45 | zenzio | Cairenn: you can't buy the same thing twice on Steam |
| 06:21.47 | Fisker | apparently it's trying to download the patch even though i applied it manually :O |
| 06:21.51 | Fisker | sure you can zenzio |
| 06:21.55 | Cairenn | It still made for a funny |
| 06:21.55 | Fisker | just need to buy it as a gift |
| 06:21.56 | Fisker | :3 |
| 06:22.06 | zenzio | but you can't gift it to yourself if you already have it |
| 06:22.13 | zenzio | don't even know if you can gift to yourself |
| 06:22.15 | Cairenn | He asked if it was good that he was noticing |
| 06:22.24 | Cairenn | Not if it was good if he had it |
| 06:22.27 | Cairenn | but that he was noticing |
| 06:22.28 | zenzio | Cairenn: I agree; I just wasn't sure if you knew |
| 06:22.30 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:22.55 | Fisker | man |
| 06:23.00 | Fisker | i'm so sick :( |
| 06:25.31 | zenzio | this is not news, Fisker |
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| 06:27.44 | Fisker | can't even fit my headphones anymore |
| 06:27.55 | Fisker | and the realms are down |
| 06:28.01 | Fisker | except they're not apparently |
| 06:28.11 | Fisker | servers up 3 hours before they're scheduled to be |
| 06:28.12 | Fisker | must be a bug |
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| 06:28.23 | Fisker | OUT OF DATE ADDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOONS |
| 06:28.41 | Adys | onwdeyd |
| 06:28.55 | Fisker | how i wish Blizzard only retoggled that only on a patch that actually changes shit |
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| 06:29.55 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 06:29.56 | Fisker | help me |
| 06:30.27 | Fisker | i'm like freaking mickey mouse over here |
| 06:31.12 | zenzio | how can you not fit your headphones? Did your head grow? |
| 06:33.13 | Fisker | no |
| 06:33.15 | Fisker | my ears did |
| 06:34.31 | zenzio | ah, so you've got enclosed headphones (whatever the proper name may be) and your ears no longer fit inside? That sucks |
| 06:34.51 | Adys | zenzio: press-ear |
| 06:34.57 | Adys | er |
| 06:35.00 | Adys | on-ear |
| 06:35.04 | zenzio | that's the name? Cheers |
| 06:35.32 | Fisker | earcup? |
| 06:35.35 | Adys | press-ear is tight fit; on-ear/over-ear is when the ear fits inside the cup |
| 06:36.18 | zenzio | aha, good to know :) |
| 06:36.52 | zenzio | finally found some good on-ear ones that didn't end up hurting after a few hours (due to my glasses, most seem to do that) |
| 06:38.03 | Adys | which? |
| 06:39.21 | zenzio | http://www.corsair.com/audio/gaming-headsets/gaming-audio-series-hs1a-gaming-headset.html |
| 06:39.28 | Adys | aha corsair |
| 06:39.31 | Adys | i stick with creative |
| 06:39.39 | Adys | im deeply disappointed with the Jack one i bought |
| 06:39.49 | Adys | i didnt want to buy a fucking jack headphone but meh |
| 06:40.07 | zenzio | how did it disappoint you? |
| 06:40.27 | Adys | not as good as i hoped, and the microphone is really shit |
| 06:40.34 | Adys | not the quality |
| 06:40.40 | Adys | but it cant be moved over the head |
| 06:40.52 | zenzio | I see; a common problem in my experience |
| 06:40.56 | Adys | well |
| 06:40.59 | Adys | you can unplug it |
| 06:41.06 | Adys | but i dont do that because its extremely hard to replug |
| 06:41.20 | zenzio | I got these mostly because they were among the few I could find that stated outright they didn't require any USB-stuff (had jack-ones before but they still needed USB for power for some reason) |
| 06:41.29 | zenzio | was surprised how happy I was with these |
| 06:42.14 | Adys | i cant stand jack |
| 06:42.24 | Adys | i mean... actually i dont know |
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| 06:42.42 | Adys | i like the engine not dying in pulse every few hours |
| 06:43.26 | zenzio | I've never had real USB headphones (where everything is USB), so I can't really say one way or the other |
| 06:43.48 | Adys | USB is really nice quality wise, and it has a better feel to it |
| 06:43.51 | Fisker | how is dolphins using shells for fishing "evolution"? |
| 06:43.55 | Fisker | rages |
| 06:47.53 | mckenziemc | dispells |
| 06:48.08 | Adys | mckenziemc: i think he just wants his shot |
| 06:48.09 | mckenziemc | dispels* |
| 06:49.10 | Fisker | i so want my shot |
| 06:49.16 | Fisker | stupid doctor won't see me for another 6 hours |
| 06:49.33 | Fisker | i'm gonna die before that |
| 06:49.58 | mckenziemc | sounds good to me |
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| 08:53.04 | bluspacecow | http://www.ihaveapc.com/2011/08/linux-distributions-explained/ |
| 08:53.46 | Thunder_Child | no FC? |
| 08:56.32 | Adys | that was disappointingly bad |
| 08:57.03 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.33 | Kalroth | why? it seems spot on |
| 08:59.39 | Kalroth | ubuntu is for babbies, debian is for chavs, redhat suxx, knoppix is a live cd, slackware tries to be more outdate than debian stable and you might as well build your own system instead of gentoo |
| 09:00.55 | zenzio | Slackware doesn't *try* to be outdated, it's just slow |
| 09:01.01 | zenzio | and you can't dislike an OS with version 13.37 |
| 09:01.21 | Adys | speaking of |
| 09:01.23 | Adys | % wine --version |
| 09:01.23 | Adys | wine-1.3.27-100-gc268c40 |
| 09:01.25 | Adys | almost there |
| 09:01.32 | Adys | 20 more weeks |
| 09:01.34 | Adys | twitches |
| 09:03.35 | Maldivia | :P |
| 09:03.42 | Maldivia | unless it goes to 1.4 before that? |
| 09:04.07 | Adys | well thats what im hoping doesnt happen :P |
| 09:04.20 | Adys | 10 versions is a long shot |
| 09:04.47 | Adys | its 19 more weeks.. and considering most of the 1.4 features are in, bah |
| 09:05.15 | Adys | plus theres like 2-3 rcs |
| 09:07.57 | haste | and they usually let the bugfix version hit 45ish before they make a new major |
| 09:08.51 | Fisker | Pakistan bans encryption because of âterrorists' |
| 09:08.53 | Fisker | sounds legit |
| 09:09.01 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:09.02 | Fisker | umad? |
| 09:09.15 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 09:09.17 | bluspacecow | umad |
| 09:09.28 | Fisker | yes |
| 09:09.31 | Fisker | but only because i'm sick |
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| 09:15.25 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 09:15.28 | Fisker | kill me |
| 09:15.29 | Fisker | please |
| 09:25.11 | starlon | Fisker never sleeps. |
| 09:26.03 | starlon | Oh you're sick. :( Get well soon. |
| 09:28.44 | karl_w_w | gives Fisker soup |
| 09:29.00 | haste | I'll tade the pain in my right hand for your sickness Fisker ! |
| 09:29.07 | haste | s/a/ra/ |
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| 09:29.30 | Fisker | i don't think you do haste |
| 09:31.14 | Fisker | I'm gonna find Bibi though |
| 09:31.18 | Fisker | and destroy him |
| 09:31.24 | karl_w_w | thats not nice |
| 09:32.34 | Fisker | all of this is his fault |
| 09:33.20 | Fisker | sits in the chair with a cigar and a bottle of whisky or whatever it is and complains about not asking for this |
| 09:34.58 | Fisker | haste please |
| 09:35.02 | Fisker | i didn't ask for any of this |
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| 09:37.07 | Fisker | 10/10 for effort |
| 09:37.08 | Fisker | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/swindled-by-wooden-ipad-859632 |
| 09:37.15 | Fisker | "Can i see the iPad before i buy it?" |
| 09:37.18 | Fisker | looks legit |
| 09:37.30 | Adys | iplank |
| 09:37.38 | Adys | that sounds like a troll |
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| 09:49.09 | airtonix | Fisker: Problem, Bieber? |
| 09:51.05 | Fisker | i had sex with your mother airtonix |
| 09:51.11 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.33 | airtonix | btw Fisker, i'm going to use specialised tools to break into your wallet |
| 10:05.24 | Fisker | oh ok airtonix |
| 10:05.43 | Fisker | too bad that there's like 25 cents in it in your silly moneys |
| 10:07.57 | Thunder_Child | only retards keep change in a wallet |
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| 10:09.33 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I guess I'm a retard then? |
| 10:09.34 | Fisker | i don't do that either anyway |
| 10:09.53 | haste | Thunder_Child just called a lot of people retarded |
| 10:09.53 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: purse != wallet |
| 10:09.56 | Fisker | well if i have a lot of change i do |
| 10:10.09 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I have a wallet inside my purse, and it has change in it. |
| 10:10.28 | Fisker | what holds your purse btw? |
| 10:10.45 | Cairenn | My shoulder :p |
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| 10:11.07 | Thunder_Child | my hatred is for change in general |
| 10:11.59 | Cairenn | That's a different matter completely |
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| 10:14.57 | airtonix | time to consumer products of the first world |
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| 10:21.20 | airtonix | so fisker, need a generalised ARML viewer |
| 10:21.42 | airtonix | http://technotecture.com/content/mobile-augmented-reality-sstt-mobile |
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| 11:03.50 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU |
| 11:06.05 | airtonix | hoho i simply can't work without photoshop |
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| 11:07.00 | zenzio | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/9591958270/ -- this explains so many websites |
| 11:07.36 | airtonix | zenzio: i hate peasants |
| 11:07.43 | Fisker | old airtonix |
| 11:07.43 | zenzio | :) |
| 11:16.01 | zenzio | I have to say, this looks a bit underwhelming to me... http://news.discovery.com/space/juno-looks-back-snaps-earth-moon-system-110830.html |
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| 12:15.29 | Maldivia | hmmm.... foo fighters and the video "promoting" their tour.... |
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| 12:41.20 | Torhal|work | stubs bluspacecow's toe on Fisker. |
| 12:41.30 | bluspacecow | ow! |
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| 12:46.04 | airtonix | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 12:46.18 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU |
| 12:46.41 | airtonix | apparently it's fake |
| 12:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's on YouTube, why did you expect it to be real? |
| 12:47.21 | zenzio | I don't think peppy is fake |
| 12:47.32 | airtonix | :< |
| 12:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, those are very real, zenzio, although I'm hoping to have them altered one day. |
| 12:48.40 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 12:48.55 | airtonix | my earlobes are real too |
| 12:49.57 | Lopeppeppy | just as nature intended! |
| 12:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | Mine aren't, I had them surgically altered when I turned 10. |
| 12:50.22 | zenzio | is confused |
| 12:50.37 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: zenziois a noob |
| 12:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | (I got my ears pierced, which is technically an alteration. The posts were surgical steel, to prevent the holes from closing. Surgical alteration!) |
| 12:52.49 | Dagmar | You should have had the eye lasers installed. |
| 12:52.59 | airtonix | Installed 32371 object(s) from 1 fixture(s) |
| 12:53.12 | airtonix | lol json |
| 12:53.21 | Dagmar | THEN no one would dare ask silly questions about alterations |
| 12:54.17 | Lopeppeppy | My eyes are very delicate, I'm afraid that I would just replace the entire orbs if I could. |
| 12:55.08 | zenzio | how come? |
| 12:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | Because, in the great genetic gamble of life, I got shitty genes, which will likely result in me being blind before I'm 60. |
| 12:56.57 | zenzio | :-o |
| 12:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hence the dream of replacements. |
| 12:59.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.07 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: "You'll go blind if you keep doing that" |
| 13:00.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, that means I have nothing to lose! :P |
| 13:00.56 | zenzio | and it's untrue anyway; my vision has gotten a bit better over the years |
| 13:02.52 | bluspacecow | SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:03.21 | Maldivia | the final frontier |
| 13:04.14 | Lopeppeppy | These are the voyages of the Starship Booby Prize. |
| 13:04.31 | zenzio | I must have missed that ST series |
| 13:04.41 | zenzio | unless it's some kind of porn spoof |
| 13:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Star trekkin', across the universe, on the starship Booby Prize, under Captain Kirk! |
| 13:05.29 | Lopeppeppy | thinks she makes up her own lyrics to even the weird Al songs. |
| 13:05.32 | zenzio | Kirk? And I thought you were a proper lady |
| 13:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | You thought what? *splutters and dies laughing* |
| 13:06.28 | Maldivia | no proper lady would be under Capt Kirk |
| 13:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, she'd be on top? |
| 13:06.55 | zenzio | how anyone could find Kirk a worthy captain is beyond me |
| 13:07.19 | Maldivia | depends which incarnation you're refering to :P |
| 13:07.51 | zenzio | as much as I dislike Shatner, he's the only real Kirk; but he's still no worthy captain |
| 13:09.12 | Maldivia | no love for Chris Pine? :) |
| 13:09.36 | zenzio | who? |
| 13:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | He was some kind of ugly. At least I could say Kirk was decently handsome. |
| 13:09.46 | zenzio | is that from the Enterprise series? |
| 13:10.10 | TMc51 | Picard or bust |
| 13:10.14 | zenzio | ^ |
| 13:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | 7 of 9, beeyotches. |
| 13:15.39 | TMc51 | hawt |
| 13:15.57 | zenzio | meh, she's overrated |
| 13:16.03 | zenzio | and she wasn't a captain as far as I know |
| 13:16.13 | TMc51 | doesn' even try to hide that his LAN's name is 7 of 9, and his computer name is BorgCube. |
| 13:16.39 | zenzio | my computers are zenzelezz, stalin, zenzio and veronica o_O |
| 13:16.40 | Maldivia | heh, reminds me of monday nights Warehouse 13 episode :P |
| 13:16.45 | Lopeppeppy | I never said she was, just that she's the hottest, and SHOULD be captain over all. |
| 13:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Warehouse 13! |
| 13:17.11 | Maldivia | haven't seen this weeks episode yet?! |
| 13:17.12 | zenzio | Warezhouse :-o |
| 13:17.21 | TMc51 | this weeks episode was good |
| 13:17.59 | Maldivia | yeah, really great |
| 13:18.47 | TMc51 | Wasn't that one regent lady the one who played Janeway on Voyager? |
| 13:18.53 | Maldivia | yep :P |
| 13:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have cable, so I'm not current on shows. |
| 13:19.08 | Maldivia | and her name was Jane in the show :P |
| 13:19.15 | Maldivia | (just Jane, no last name, heh) |
| 13:21.05 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 13:21.09 | Fisker | fuck that was awesome |
| 13:21.10 | TMc51 | so, given all the trek talk, anybody listen to Warp 11? |
| 13:22.01 | zenzio | how can one listen to warp 11, it exceeds all limits |
| 13:24.53 | Kalroth | People at Warp 12 |
| 13:25.04 | TMc51 | http://warp11.com/ |
| 13:25.36 | Fisker | no TMc51 |
| 13:25.53 | TMc51 | yes fisker :) |
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| 13:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I very have the cranky. Your lack of prior planning should not constitute my emergency. |
| 13:50.01 | Ackis | aren't you always cranky? :) |
| 13:50.04 | Ackis | hides |
| 13:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah yeah. |
| 13:50.48 | Ackis | wishes you were going to blizzcon :( |
| 13:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. Vacation? Nev-ar! |
| 13:52.56 | Cairenn | huggles the Lopeppeppy |
| 13:53.22 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Cairenn. I really hate the week before classes start, ya know? |
| 13:53.27 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 13:54.31 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, thanks for breakfast Fisker. |
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| 14:19.49 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/1ICjA.jpg |
| 14:19.52 | Ackis | hey Torhal|work |
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| 14:19.58 | Ackis | slap prencher for me today pls |
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| 14:20.28 | bluspacecow | silly kitty is going "i is hiding!" |
| 14:20.32 | bluspacecow | BBl |
| 14:20.40 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Naw. You go ahead. |
| 14:20.50 | Ackis | but you're with him :( |
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| 14:25.17 | DWSR | hey, anyone got suggestions for quiet case fans? |
| 14:25.19 | DWSR | as a brand? |
| 14:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | Is your case as a whole quiet? Sometimes the most quiet fan doesn't help you, because the case chassis is loose, or other racks in the case are loose, etc.... |
| 14:29.27 | airtonix | DWSR: i'm mad |
| 14:29.40 | DWSR | airtonix: Why? |
| 14:29.45 | airtonix | DWSR: because xapian |
| 14:29.48 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I used rubber mounts for my hdds. |
| 14:29.56 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: And everything's in tight. |
| 14:29.59 | airtonix | anyway go with the german brand of case fans |
| 14:30.05 | airtonix | norgia |
| 14:30.08 | airtonix | or something |
| 14:30.09 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I need more air into the case. |
| 14:30.12 | DWSR | airtonix: ? |
| 14:30.59 | airtonix | noctua |
| 14:31.04 | airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9_413 |
| 14:31.12 | airtonix | dead quiet |
| 14:31.31 | DWSR | thanks |
| 14:31.40 | DWSR | piss. |
| 14:31.56 | DWSR | don't have them in my size |
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| 14:32.15 | airtonix | http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=start |
| 14:32.24 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 14:32.30 | DWSR | I need 2 60s and 2 90s. |
| 14:32.53 | DWSR | I could use the 92s. |
| 14:33.03 | DWSR | but I still need something to replace the 60s. |
| 14:34.18 | airtonix | you could use the fans out of a set of 3.5hdd coolers |
| 14:34.37 | airtonix | that's what i did for my atom in the m351 case |
| 14:34.48 | airtonix | those are 10mm high |
| 14:36.08 | DWSR | It's for a media pc. |
| 14:36.18 | DWSR | And I don't have that many spare power adapters. |
| 14:36.25 | DWSR | I think I only have 2 or 3. |
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| 14:37.17 | ckknight | hey beautiful people |
| 14:37.38 | ckknight | Anyone know when WoW beta became available way back in the day? |
| 14:41.05 | Computerpunk | ckknight: sec |
| 14:41.21 | ckknight | I'm working on a history of WoW addons, collecting infoz |
| 14:41.30 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowpedia.org/End_of_beta_event |
| 14:41.40 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowpedia.org/Beta |
| 14:41.43 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 14:41.43 | Computerpunk | this one |
| 14:41.58 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/Timeline_%28World_of_Warcraft%29#2004 |
| 14:42.23 | ckknight | oh sweet, karl_w_w |
| 14:42.37 | Computerpunk | karl_w_w: nice. |
| 14:43.33 | ckknight | I'm giving a talk at Dragon*Con about WoW Addons in a few days, part of what I'm gonna talk about is the history and consequentially the future of addons in WoW |
| 14:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | You have no chance. Make your time. |
| 14:44.54 | ckknight | this is true |
| 14:46.17 | Arrowmaster | will the talk be recorded? |
| 14:47.03 | ckknight | um, probably not, but I'll post up my slideshow and such after-the-fact |
| 14:47.26 | ckknight | I'm gonna have to use a lot of rough dates for things... |
| 14:47.36 | ckknight | specifically everything before 2006 |
| 14:48.18 | ckknight | lemme ask about recording. |
| 14:50.27 | Dagmar | Well, if you use a good safe word you probably shouldn't need a recording going |
| 14:50.51 | ckknight | mine is Ruth Bader Ginsburg |
| 14:51.26 | Fisker | ckknight |
| 14:51.30 | ckknight | Fisker. |
| 14:51.30 | Fisker | ckknight Dagmar Arrowmaster |
| 14:51.33 | Fisker | hello ckknight |
| 14:51.34 | Fisker | btw Sixen |
| 14:51.46 | Fisker | did the beta client you tried have an ESRB logo or some shit? |
| 14:53.05 | airtonix | umad? |
| 14:55.05 | Maldivia | assuming you're refering to D3 - can't see how it would, since it's not yet rated, but it'll probably have a M rating, like all the other games in the series |
| 14:55.28 | Fisker | why not? It's basically content complete anyway |
| 14:55.40 | Fisker | Anyway yeah i figured that |
| 14:55.58 | Dagmar | ckknight: Timeline stuff: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2004/3/22/ |
| 14:56.01 | Fisker | just want to own some QQ'ing n00b saying it looks like wow and shit :P |
| 14:56.11 | airtonix | it looks like wow n shit |
| 14:56.26 | Fisker | Could of course also just say "Lol, no" but i would just slap the age rating in his face |
| 14:56.26 | Maldivia | the current rating for D3 is RP |
| 14:56.31 | Fisker | your mom is RP |
| 14:56.39 | ckknight | I RP'd your mom last night, Fisker |
| 14:56.46 | airtonix | umad? |
| 14:56.51 | airtonix | Fisker: UMAD? |
| 14:56.51 | Dagmar | I definitely remember the commentary from Penny Arcade about the current state of everyone's video cards making simply hopping a gryphon a chance to experience frame rate crappery. |
| 14:57.02 | Fisker | umad airtonix |
| 14:57.17 | airtonix | goddamn outraged |
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| 14:58.15 | Dagmar | I'm reasonably sure that their posting about it was what made people consider the idea that the game was no longer a rumor. |
| 14:58.23 | Dagmar | well, not all people but a lot of people |
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| 15:06.40 | Torhal|work | ~lart Telshin |
| 15:06.40 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Telshin into court suing for $200 million |
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| 15:15.10 | durcyn | nice, the DOJ just nixed the AT&T-TMobile acquisition |
| 15:16.12 | Dagmar | Good. |
| 15:17.31 | nevcairiel | thats the DOJs job now? I would've thought that goes through the FTC or something |
| 15:17.37 | Dagmar | Buying competitors to make up for serious shortcomings in your infrastructure/management is how you get things like G4TV. |
| 15:18.19 | Fisker | ell oh ell durcyn |
| 15:18.36 | Fisker | i was looking forward to AT&T&T...Mobile |
| 15:21.17 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i thought that one was about killing the competition |
| 15:26.19 | ckknight | anyone know when WowInterface launched? |
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| 15:32.00 | Ackis | anyone familiar with a facebook spam filter for messages? I just got a legit message and I can only see it on my phone, I can't see it on the website itself. |
| 15:32.29 | Dagmar | Yes, it's called "Google Plus" |
| 15:32.35 | airtonix | hoho |
| 15:32.50 | airtonix | only nerds use google plus |
| 15:33.10 | airtonix | just like only thieves use wireshark, so i'm safe with my crappy security stance |
| 15:33.14 | airtonix | wut |
| 15:34.24 | haste | what about tcpdump? |
| 15:34.35 | airtonix | obviously you're a terrorist |
| 15:34.39 | haste | shit. |
| 15:34.51 | airtonix | but thats ok |
| 15:34.53 | haste | _and_ I almost installed wireshark the other day |
| 15:34.58 | airtonix | because i'm safe for two reasons |
| 15:35.10 | airtonix | 1. you'll blow yourself up in the next two weeks |
| 15:35.21 | airtonix | 2. 0.001% of people are terrorists |
| 15:35.54 | foxlit | ckknight: you might enjoy http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79 |
| 15:36.09 | ckknight | ah, thanks |
| 15:40.24 | Fisker | what about only bank thieves use vault breaking tools airtonix ? |
| 15:41.09 | Dagmar | WHere the hell have you been living these last 15 years? |
| 15:41.29 | airtonix | Dagmar: fisker lives in an ice cave |
| 15:41.37 | Dagmar | Bank theives don't use "vault breaking tools"--they use lobbyists and "credit default swaps" |
| 15:41.50 | airtonix | well then |
| 15:42.01 | airtonix | you're safe, because your neighbour doesn use those things |
| 15:42.19 | airtonix | so it's ok to leave your back door open |
| 15:42.28 | Fisker | but airtonix |
| 15:42.41 | Fisker | why would anyone but bank thieves legitimately use vault breaking tools? |
| 15:42.58 | airtonix | to rescue trapped cats |
| 15:43.07 | Nimhfree | to open a vault that you no longer have the combination for? |
| 15:44.00 | Fisker | pretty sure you might as well just replace it then Nimhfree |
| 15:44.23 | airtonix | and the cocaine therein |
| 15:44.31 | Fisker | i had sex with your mother airtonix |
| 15:44.35 | Fisker | anyway airtonix |
| 15:44.41 | Fisker | tell me |
| 15:44.45 | Nimhfree | when I opened the wall safer here I found that there was nothing left in it. :-( |
| 15:44.57 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 15:45.37 | airtonix | well fisker that's the point |
| 15:45.59 | airtonix | if only the evil minority use the tools that a normal citizen wouldn't |
| 15:47.09 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 15:47.21 | Fisker | that's the point |
| 15:47.32 | Fisker | IF YOURE USING VAULT BREAKING TOOLS YOU'RE A BANK THIEF |
| 15:47.33 | Fisker | GET IT? |
| 15:47.34 | Fisker | LOL |
| 15:47.47 | airtonix | well yeah |
| 15:47.49 | airtonix | duh |
| 15:47.57 | airtonix | what are you? |
| 15:48.02 | airtonix | retarded or something? |
| 15:48.14 | airtonix | :> |
| 15:48.15 | Fisker | your mom is retarded airtonix |
| 15:48.56 | Fisker | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22586 <-looks like dey mad |
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| 15:59.17 | Fisker | contest vigorously |
| 15:59.19 | Fisker | deymad |
| 16:00.11 | airtonix | YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I LOVE APPLE |
| 16:00.29 | Ackis | I'm turning in to a pokemon nerd :( |
| 16:01.14 | Fisker | kackis |
| 16:11.07 | Dagmar | Ackis: You should probably stop now |
| 16:11.21 | Dagmar | You can not possibly catch them all unless you are a japanese schoolchil |
| 16:11.23 | Dagmar | d |
| 16:11.30 | Dagmar | Several require trading |
| 16:12.40 | Dagmar | Actually, if you bought Black, *many* require trading |
| 16:12.56 | Dagmar | ...and if you are not a japanese schoolchild, your Black City will pretty much remain a ghost town |
| 16:13.05 | Dagmar | gives the finger to GameFreak for that one |
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| 16:16.56 | Ackis | I have black, fiancee has white |
| 16:17.34 | Fisker | that's racist Dagmar |
| 16:20.18 | airtonix | i need conky for android |
| 16:20.37 | foxlit | grumble |
| 16:21.09 | foxlit | I seem to be requiring a way to differentiate an existing key with associated with a nil value from a non-existing key :( |
| 16:21.52 | Computerpunk | use a value other than nil? |
| 16:21.56 | Computerpunk | for existing keys? |
| 16:22.48 | foxlit | this would be simpler if this wasn't based in existing code. |
| 16:24.43 | foxlit | ... and I validate based on the type of the default value. |
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| 16:25.22 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:25.26 | cog|work | morning |
| 16:25.38 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa |
| 16:26.48 | Nimhfree | foxlit: can you just walk through the table and examine each of the keys. then you can tell it is not present |
| 16:27.56 | foxlit | so the background is that I store a set of default option values in a table (option name => default value). |
| 16:28.15 | foxlit | When you change option values, I validate that the new type is the same as the default type. |
| 16:28.33 | foxlit | Now, if I wanted to make an option with a default nil value, I have issues. |
| 16:29.06 | Nimhfree | one assumes if the default is nil then the user can set any type to be their value because nil cannot be compared for type |
| 16:29.12 | Fisker | ~wiki pølsevogn |
| 16:29.24 | foxlit | lua> type(nil) |
| 16:29.24 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil |
| 16:29.27 | cog|work | wonders what the quickest way to get 86 guild rep would be, considering i've already done all my dailies... |
| 16:29.32 | foxlit | lua> type(nil), type(type(nil)) |
| 16:29.33 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil, string |
| 16:29.34 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%B8lsevogn ~wiki P%C3%B8lsevogn |
| 16:29.44 | Fisker | ~wiki P%C3%B8lsevogn |
| 16:29.46 | Fisker | do it purl |
| 16:29.48 | Fisker | you can do it |
| 16:29.49 | Fisker | damnit |
| 16:30.07 | Fisker | i don't like that wikipedia translates it as "sausage wagon" :( |
| 16:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Blow... nevermind, cogwheel. |
| 16:30.21 | foxlit | nil clearly has a type; while you could make assumptions, I do not share that particular one :) |
| 16:30.24 | cog|work | looks around for Ghostcrawler |
| 16:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 16:30.41 | foxlit | basically, the check is an assert(type(default[key]) == type(value), "Invalid option type") |
| 16:31.36 | Nimhfree | that looks to me like you cannot have a default value of nil. however, my LUA is not the best |
| 16:33.21 | foxlit | it's more like I'm welcome to do it, but then that's the only value the option will ever have |
| 16:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | Je voudrais une baignoire pleine de Ben et Jerry's crème glacée. |
| 16:35.51 | alestane | What do you want full of Ben & Jerry's ice cream? |
| 16:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | Bath tub. |
| 16:36.36 | alestane | One of those days, huh? |
| 16:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm realllly tired of being monkey in the middle, and it's the week before classes start. |
| 16:40.25 | Lunessa | cog|work: If you haven't already reached the cap you can get guild rep doing pretty much any quest. |
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| 16:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | I am your singing telegram! |
| 16:55.30 | cog|work | Lunessa: yeah. i can't find any >level 83-ish so they're all giving me like 1-4 rep |
| 16:55.35 | Lunessa | Do you tap dance and wear the little Western Union hat? |
| 16:56.36 | cog|work | we planning to do BoT or FL trash tonight? (obv depending on attendance) |
| 16:58.04 | TMc51 | it's very likely I'll be there tonight, so scrubtastic rogue dps inc. |
| 16:58.36 | cog|work | TMc51: you should look in the gbank... there's a bunch of boe rogue purples |
| 16:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I will tap dance if that's your pleasure. |
| 16:59.42 | TMc51 | cog|work: I'll check in a bit. The only one I knew was in there was Unheeded Warning, which is worse than my old blue trinket post-nerf. |
| 17:00.04 | cog|work | heh |
| 17:00.32 | TMc51 | I blame OP feral droodz! *shakes fist* |
| 17:00.35 | amro | any tips on optimizing a windows 7 laptop for 3d? |
| 17:01.33 | Maldivia | get a desktop instead :P |
| 17:01.38 | cog|work | ssd |
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| 17:01.46 | cog|work | although that's s/3d/gaming/ |
| 17:01.47 | TMc51 | amro: http://tweakhound.com/ lots of tweaks for Windows 7 in general. No clue what you need for 3D, though. |
| 17:02.00 | amro | Maldivia: I have one |
| 17:02.04 | cog|work | i can't imagine you'd be able to do anything outside of the video drivers that would make a difference |
| 17:02.04 | amro | but it's across the atlantic atm |
| 17:02.18 | cog|work | except maybe turn off aero, but even that doesn't change much if you have a decent gpu |
| 17:02.23 | amro | cog|work: I'm more concerned about any background processes affecting performance |
| 17:02.38 | TMc51 | disabling unneeded crap running anf stuff helps overall performance, so should do well for 3D and whatnot. |
| 17:02.39 | Maldivia | biggest performance boost for a laptop, in regards with 3d - plug in the power supply |
| 17:02.47 | cog|work | it won't matter unless you have less than 2 cores imo |
| 17:02.48 | Maldivia | if on battery, the gpu clocks down |
| 17:02.59 | cog|work | fewer* |
| 17:03.53 | cog|work | and most of the performance hit on a laptop is from the slow ass HDs imo. so SSD or a thumb drive for ReadyBoost would reduce loading times |
| 17:03.53 | amro | cog|work: I've seen some pretty weird shit with apps that use the gpu, such as running vlc killing framerate |
| 17:04.00 | amro | loading times are fast I just need 60fps |
| 17:04.07 | Maldivia | what gpu do you have in the laptop? |
| 17:04.18 | amro | some shitty ati chipset |
| 17:04.22 | amro | 4200 |
| 17:04.29 | TMc51 | ./puke |
| 17:04.40 | amro | indeed |
| 17:04.44 | amro | wobin had to leave |
| 17:05.47 | Maldivia | that's shared memory, right? |
| 17:07.00 | Maldivia | but I wouldn't expect 60 fps from that chipset, unless you're looking directly into a solid wall |
| 17:07.45 | amro | not wow |
| 17:08.07 | amro | there's actually no variation in framerater |
| 17:08.38 | amro | its at 48fps, need 60 |
| 17:10.18 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:10.21 | Fisker | i'm not dying anymore |
| 17:10.35 | cog|work | dam |
| 17:10.36 | Fisker | lies TMc51 |
| 17:10.41 | Fisker | Firefox 6 is not a tweak for Windows 7 |
| 17:11.03 | cog|work | amro: is vsync on in the game? |
| 17:11.57 | amro | no |
| 17:12.09 | cog|work | and what do you mean by "need 60"? |
| 17:12.18 | amro | I mean the game is not playable below 60fps |
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| 17:12.27 | cog|work | if your GPU is too shitty, with enough polygons you might never be able to hit 60 even with flat shaded polygons |
| 17:12.53 | cog|work | turn down the resolution |
| 17:12.55 | amro | I get the feeling polygons aern't the issue, the game won't let me disable certain efects |
| 17:12.58 | amro | yeah it's low |
| 17:13.38 | cog|work | seems like this is a question for that game's tech support. there's nothing you can do in general to make your gpu faster besides overclocking it |
| 17:17.19 | Lunessa | amro: http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Radeon-HD-4200.20493.0.html |
| 17:17.55 | Fisker | you're a good friend cog|work |
| 17:18.01 | Lunessa | "Because of the missing graphics memory, the performance of the card is a bit lower than of the HD 3400." |
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| 17:26.38 | Lunessa | amro: Some folks posted (http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/what-can-i-play-with-ati-radeo/1038272) about what they could play on that card |
| 17:30.25 | foxlit | gah, Lua. Half a kingdom for a ternary operator that doesn't fall through! :( |
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| 17:42.36 | alestane | Or there's the Go documentation: "What's the ternary operator in Go? if p {foo = a} else {foo = b}" |
| 17:42.59 | foxlit | if p then foo = a else foo = b end doesn't sound as good |
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| 17:43.41 | foxlit | also, if p then foo = a else if q then foo = b else if r then foo = c else if s then foo = d end end end end |
| 17:44.55 | alestane | Would the syntax allow Python-style "foo = bar if fudge else baz" constructs, or does that crete ambiguities? |
| 17:45.17 | foxlit | perl-style, surely. |
| 17:46.41 | alestane | I don't know perl, I learned the center-condition alternative expression from its addition to Python. |
| 17:48.22 | foxlit | http://www.tutorialspoint.com/perl/perl_conditions.htm |
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| 18:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | I dinnae think she can take the strain, Captain! |
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| 18:06.36 | Ackis | if anyone wants to contribute to this thread: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3082083399 |
| 18:06.43 | Ackis | it's about ptBR translations |
| 18:06.45 | alestane | That page appears to provide the standard C-style ternary, foxlit. |
| 18:07.47 | foxlit | However, the very first example is cute |
| 18:07.54 | alestane | Unless perl does automatic value pass-up and block reduction. |
| 18:08.49 | alestane | I think the Lua parser could distinguish the two cases based on whether the condition after if was followed by then, or by else. |
| 18:09.41 | alestane | The challenge would be that it would have to parse the expression preceding the if differently based on what it found after the condition. |
| 18:10.23 | foxlit | I'm not sure I like the idea of putting the if keyword into expressions. |
| 18:10.26 | Dagmar | Perl expects coders to not be stupid and to specify blocks {} so that certain things arne't as ambiguous as they could be. |
| 18:10.29 | foxlit | ?: is much more elegant :) |
| 18:10.47 | alestane | It is not, however, consistent with Lua. |
| 18:11.10 | foxlit | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 18:11.14 | alestane | Lua's syntax is founded on keywords. |
| 18:11.29 | alestane | Except for the most atomic operations. |
| 18:12.01 | foxlit | the discussion of where to draw the atomicity line isn't interesting to me. |
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| 18:12.18 | alestane | In a Lua expression, I would expect to see words for cases where symbols would be non-obvious. |
| 18:12.19 | foxlit | I'm sure Shirik would be happy to argue that ^ doesn't belong in a language. |
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| 18:14.36 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: email sent |
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| 18:18.39 | ckknight | alestane: Lua's grammar is completely deterministic |
| 18:18.41 | foxlit | Hm, if I have an inventory slot ID (like 13), can I get its name? |
| 18:19.20 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: isnt there a global with its name |
| 18:19.39 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: those map the other way :( |
| 18:19.57 | Arrowmaster | create a reverse map |
| 18:20.01 | foxlit | ew! |
| 18:20.17 | alestane | ckknight: What exactly do you mean by that in this case? |
| 18:20.39 | ckknight | alestane: there is absolutely no abiguity as far as the lua syntax is concerned |
| 18:20.55 | ckknight | given input, there is a deterministic AST derived from it |
| 18:21.37 | alestane | Okay; what impact does that have on the discussion? |
| 18:21.58 | foxlit | (it's more like it'll whine at you if you write ambiguous code, and refuse to load it) |
| 18:22.30 | ckknight | oh, I totally misinterpreted what you said |
| 18:22.30 | ckknight | :P |
| 18:24.54 | industrial | a = foo and b or c, ternary, yes yes? |
| 18:25.13 | foxlit | it's all well and good until b is false. |
| 18:25.46 | industrial | i guess |
| 18:26.38 | industrial | who needs a ternary anyway |
| 18:26.53 | Dagmar | Fucking LAZY people. |
| 18:27.28 | industrial | https://github.com/disnet/contracts.coffee |
| 18:27.32 | industrial | this is awesome |
| 18:27.40 | alestane | I like the Python ternary because it's the only one that reads remotely like an English sentence. |
| 18:27.43 | industrial | runtime function and object contracts for coffeescript / javascript |
| 18:28.03 | Fisker | Sixen is spy |
| 18:28.20 | alestane | So, sort of like Go type assertions. |
| 18:28.39 | ckknight | industrial: but it requires Proxies |
| 18:28.50 | ckknight | Hey, anyone know when /readycheck was added to WoW? |
| 18:29.04 | Fisker | why is that thread a question Ackis ? |
| 18:29.10 | industrial | it's being discussed on github now to put them in comments instead |
| 18:29.12 | Fisker | ckknight is pyro |
| 18:29.13 | ckknight | nvm, found it: Patch 1.11 |
| 18:29.21 | industrial | Fisker: I'm scout |
| 18:29.45 | Fisker | yus |
| 18:29.47 | industrial | at least, I was in UKTFCL div2 in 2001 :3 |
| 18:30.55 | ckknight | how am I Pyro? |
| 18:31.33 | Fisker | idk |
| 18:31.44 | industrial | cause of the flames |
| 18:31.46 | Fisker | but why is it that engineers and spies always have 100% chance on hit to crit on spies? |
| 18:31.47 | industrial | OH SNAP |
| 18:32.20 | industrial | cuz they getto Fisker |
| 18:32.36 | Fisker | err |
| 18:32.39 | Fisker | spies = snipers btw |
| 18:32.53 | industrial | oh, snipers arent getto :( |
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| 18:50.39 | foxlit | Hm, something is making audible noises while accessing data on an SSD via the network |
| 18:50.46 | foxlit | Mildly annoying :/ |
| 18:51.50 | Torhal|work | ckknight: Pepto/vodka shots on Saturday? |
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| 18:53.05 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: you going to dragoncon too? |
| 18:53.49 | ckknight | Torhal|work: *shudder* |
| 18:54.41 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: Naw, but Xtek is under the impression that ckknight will be at his going-away party. |
| 18:54.57 | ckknight | oh, I'm gonna be out of town |
| 18:55.03 | ckknight | Xtek never gave me a date when he was having it |
| 18:55.06 | ckknight | just "6:30 PM" |
| 18:55.30 | ckknight | so I'd figured it had come and gone |
| 18:55.37 | Torhal|work | Ah, no, it's the 3rd |
| 18:55.45 | Torhal|work | I don't think he realized there was overlap/ |
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| 18:59.17 | ckknight | yeah, I'm gone until Monday |
| 18:59.17 | ckknight | leaving tonight at 2 AM |
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| 19:00.16 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt that be tomorrow morning? |
| 19:00.17 | Arrowmaster | you got my email with the details right? i had to remember your email address |
| 19:02.03 | Fisker | why would the SSD being on the network have any significance foxlit ? |
| 19:02.18 | Fisker | you leaving me ckknight? :( |
| 19:03.13 | foxlit | Fisker: I don't know. |
| 19:03.19 | foxlit | It's just the scenario I'm able to replicate. |
| 19:03.19 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/offline-google-mail-hands-on/ <-so email is better than facebook apparently? |
| 19:03.40 | Torhal|work | e-mails Fisker to Facebook. |
| 19:03.42 | Fisker | sure it isn't caching some shit from the drive? |
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| 19:04.46 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: yeah, I did |
| 19:04.55 | foxlit | Why would that make noise? |
| 19:05.07 | Fisker | because the cache is on your local machine? |
| 19:05.17 | Fisker | ckknight please? |
| 19:05.17 | foxlit | It's not the local machine that's making noise. |
| 19:05.30 | ckknight | yes, Fisker, I'm leaving you. |
| 19:05.44 | Fisker | oh god no |
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| 19:11.03 | Jamash | your ssd must have a dirty head, try running it through your dishwasher |
| 19:13.04 | Lopeppeppy | I heard that Ben and Jerry's ice cream fixes that sort of thing. |
| 19:13.24 | Torhal|work | dips Lopeppeppy into a vat of B&J. |
| 19:13.26 | Jamash | and even if it doesn't, you don't care about the problem anymore |
| 19:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty frellin' much. |
| 19:16.31 | ckknight | anyone know when WoW added instance/raid maps in? |
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| 19:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | can't you check through the patch notes on the time line you were looking at earlier? |
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| 19:34.23 | Ackis | small world |
| 19:34.53 | mckenziemc | large Ackis |
| 19:35.08 | Ackis | when Jay died, there were two paramedics from Edmonton at the lake who performed CPR/etc on him before the ambulance got there. They know one of my sisters friends. |
| 19:44.26 | Fisker | i know one of your sisters friends Ackis |
| 19:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, be nice. |
| 19:44.46 | Kraps | catsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 19:45.03 | ckknight | would someone mind looking through a google docs presentation I made on the history of WoW and tell me if it seems good? Note: a lot of the content I'll be speaking, the display is just an aside. |
| 19:46.11 | Fisker | i'm always nice Lopeppeppy :( |
| 19:46.14 | Fisker | btw hello Sixen |
| 19:46.14 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: sure |
| 19:46.48 | Fisker | why would you use WoW to present Google Docs? |
| 19:46.51 | Fisker | Doesn't make any sense ckknight |
| 19:46.52 | olafski | bleh attumen just yelled "Cowards! Wretches!" and then despawned :< |
| 19:47.05 | Fisker | i once soloed attumen olafski |
| 19:47.09 | Fisker | for the first time |
| 19:47.11 | olafski | glad to hear it |
| 19:47.13 | Fisker | then mount dropped |
| 19:47.41 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: shared |
| 19:47.51 | Arrowmaster | already looking at it |
| 19:47.54 | ckknight | it's basically just a simple timeline where the left is game stuff, e.g. content introduced, and the right is UI-related stuff |
| 19:48.02 | Arrowmaster | you made my phone beep |
| 19:48.06 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:48.33 | Fisker | did you mention how Blizzard screwed over Rogues then spent an expansion ignoring my suggestion? :( |
| 19:48.44 | ckknight | I don't go into any class specifics |
| 19:48.47 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:48.53 | ckknight | I will talk about how Goblins are awesome, though |
| 19:48.55 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: omg old ass image of addon window |
| 19:49.02 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: lol, I know |
| 19:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | It's a history presentation, after all. :) |
| 19:49.09 | ckknight | see the memory available thing? |
| 19:49.11 | Arrowmaster | 'Ace 1.3' |
| 19:49.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 19:49.18 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:49.22 | Fisker | memory available = old |
| 19:49.44 | ckknight | when I talk about patch 2.0, I'll go into how lua 5.1 is important and made it so we wouldn't get 5-second freezes every minute |
| 19:49.48 | ckknight | and such |
| 19:49.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, freezes! |
| 19:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | Those were the best fun ev-er. |
| 19:50.15 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: would you mind checking out this thing? |
| 19:50.27 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: are you going to talk about the big addons of the past like ctraid |
| 19:50.31 | ckknight | yep |
| 19:50.37 | ckknight | and cosmos in beta and onward |
| 19:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | I can't, ckknight. I'm on some hardcore deadlines this week with students coming in. :( |
| 19:50.42 | ckknight | and how compilations were so big |
| 19:50.50 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: students are for nerds |
| 19:51.02 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: and how oRA or CTRaid were a requirement for guilds |
| 19:51.06 | cog|work | FlexBar! |
| 19:51.12 | ckknight | I remember FlexBar |
| 19:51.20 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 19:51.23 | ckknight | and I'm going to go into how addons die and come to life |
| 19:51.42 | cog|work | FexBar is what introduced me to lua scripting in wow |
| 19:51.46 | Arrowmaster | takes credit for the Cartographer killing blow |
| 19:52.15 | TMc51 | :o |
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| 19:52.44 | ckknight | a lot of the UI points are things that were previously addon functionality from several patches prior, and I'm gonna talk about that |
| 19:52.58 | Arrowmaster | 'September 25, 2006: Curse v3' isnt curse still v3? |
| 19:53.00 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: oh yeah, I'll mention that |
| 19:53.03 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: nah, v6 |
| 19:53.13 | ckknight | but v3 was hated more than anything |
| 19:53.16 | ckknight | so I'll mention it |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | 3 versions in 4 years, they are relaunching every year. :) |
| 19:53.34 | ckknight | nah, v4-v6 were all on the same technology, just new features |
| 19:53.52 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: LFG was not in 2.0.1 |
| 19:53.56 | ckknight | yes it was |
| 19:53.58 | ckknight | but not LFD |
| 19:54.07 | ckknight | I'll mention how it was a horribly shitty thing that no one used |
| 19:54.08 | nevcairiel | LFG was in BC beta, we used it alot |
| 19:54.13 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 19:54.19 | nevcairiel | funny thing, on live no-one uised it anymore |
| 19:54.20 | ckknight | LFD came in 3.3 |
| 19:54.23 | nevcairiel | but on beta, everyone did. :D |
| 19:54.42 | Arrowmaster | we tried to use it on live |
| 19:54.42 | ckknight | hey nevcairiel, you wanna check this presentation out? |
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| 19:55.10 | nevcairiel | since i'm chatting from my tablet, comfortably in my bed, probably not |
| 19:55.35 | ckknight | and you can't check out google docs presentations? |
| 19:55.37 | zenzelezz | you mean your tablet can't show presentations? |
| 19:55.44 | zenzelezz | damnit ckknight, stop typing faster than me |
| 19:55.47 | nevcairiel | probably can, but i'm lazy |
| 19:55.52 | ckknight | blargh |
| 19:55.55 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: 2.1.0 page has strange wording |
| 19:56.07 | Arrowmaster | needs a newline i think |
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| 19:56.15 | ckknight | it has one, just not obvious |
| 19:56.16 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:56.23 | ckknight | I added one regardless |
| 19:56.25 | Arrowmaster | add another is what i mean |
| 19:56.51 | Arrowmaster | UI Scaling in 2.2? |
| 19:56.57 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 19:57.06 | nevcairiel | wasnt ui scale there from way earlier? |
| 19:57.13 | Arrowmaster | thats what i thought |
| 19:57.57 | ckknight | yeah |
| 19:58.05 | Arrowmaster | and what do you mean by "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" on 2.3 |
| 19:58.25 | Seerah | re. UI Scale - yes |
| 19:58.44 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: That's when the message appeared |
| 19:58.58 | Torhal|work | I believe it silently failed before. |
| 19:58.59 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: that's when it was added and caused tons of error reporting that could really not be tracked down easily |
| 19:59.02 | ckknight | correct |
| 19:59.04 | Sintacks | Why can you not use window shake after turning on nameplates anyway... |
| 19:59.10 | Arrowmaster | i thought i remembered it before that |
| 19:59.11 | ckknight | hey Torhal|work, you mind taking a gander at this? |
| 19:59.15 | Torhal|work | ckknight: Sure. |
| 19:59.20 | nevcairiel | Sintacks: because nameplates turn the worldframe into a secure frame |
| 19:59.44 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: remember to give 2 or 3 people a shoutout for the 2.4 combatlog |
| 19:59.50 | Sintacks | and even better... why does omen shake warnings work after reloading my UI, with nameplates still on... |
| 19:59.59 | Sintacks | OR, even better... what is turnin them on and then off when first logging in :| |
| 20:00.10 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I'm not really gonna shout out to people, but I will stress how important a change it was and how it broke everything |
| 20:00.21 | Sintacks | Have yet to turn off TidyPlates to see if it still does it though. :| |
| 20:01.10 | olafski | wasn't LFG in vanilla somewhere? |
| 20:01.16 | Kraps | Greg "Ghostcrawler" Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft and he probably listens to your podcast. |
| 20:01.16 | olafski | I wrote an addon to filter it.. |
| 20:01.25 | nevcairiel | olafski: LFG in vanilla was a joke |
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| 20:01.37 | ckknight | olafski: there was a looking for group channel |
| 20:01.37 | Arrowmaster | LFG in vanilla was meetingstones |
| 20:01.48 | Sintacks | leaves to go to store. ckknight, if you answer more of what i said, highlight me with the answer and i'll read it when i get back |
| 20:01.49 | olafski | I'm talking about the channel arrowmaster :P |
| 20:01.58 | olafski | that was a good idea imo.. should've kept it like that :P |
| 20:02.01 | Arrowmaster | that you clicked on then they would sometimes magically add people to your party but most of the time did nothing |
| 20:02.20 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/195358/bought-winged-lion---4-blizzard-store-pets-for-30k-gold |
| 20:02.21 | nevcairiel | at some point, they made the inn keepers act as the meeting stones |
| 20:02.41 | Kraps | why cant blizz get his stuff back? |
| 20:02.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah but it still did nothing |
| 20:02.49 | Kraps | gold |
| 20:02.52 | ckknight | okay, I have to go out and find a Dexter costume |
| 20:08.33 | olafski | because he bought out of game stuff for ingame gold I guess kraps |
| 20:08.51 | olafski | ckknight: green shirt and leather gloves? :) |
| 20:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's kind of against the TOS, isn't it? |
| 20:09.02 | olafski | or hawaii shirt |
| 20:09.05 | ckknight | a brown henley shirt, brown cargo pants, black gloves, olafski |
| 20:09.57 | Phelps | i have sold mount codes (the $25 ones) for in game gold for quite some time now, open in trade, and have never been banned or suspended |
| 20:09.59 | olafski | so specific +) |
| 20:10.11 | olafski | it's still against the rules though phelps |
| 20:10.38 | olafski | hence why blizzard won't help a guy who has been scammed |
| 20:10.46 | Phelps | I dont think blizz really enforces it that hard, not as hard as gold selling anyways |
| 20:10.58 | olafski | though I imagine if someone reported you, you might be infracted |
| 20:11.11 | Phelps | I'm 100% sure i have been reported |
| 20:11.28 | Lopeppeppy | Then count yourself lucky and don't complain that you haven't been sanctioned! |
| 20:13.12 | olafski | also, stop doing it :P |
| 20:13.18 | Phelps | i always figured since they really don't lose anything, they dont mind |
| 20:13.22 | Phelps | what! never :p |
| 20:13.52 | olafski | how much do people pay for it? |
| 20:14.02 | Phelps | TGH in wrath, ~10k |
| 20:14.15 | Phelps | the $10 pets, about 15k now |
| 20:14.28 | olafski | they mind, because it "encourages" account haxxing |
| 20:14.44 | olafski | i.e. exactly what happened in that thread that kraps linked |
| 20:14.44 | Phelps | and Guardian mount sells for quite a bit, 35-40k |
| 20:15.18 | olafski | interesting though that the blue poster didn't mention this being against the tou oO |
| 20:15.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xigekW6UgI8&feature=related |
| 20:15.33 | Kraps | wrong channel |
| 20:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | It's in the FAQ that I think was linked, why do they have to repeat it? |
| 20:16.50 | olafski | hm I thought they linked to a scam faq.. I figured it wouldn't be in there :P |
| 20:16.55 | olafski | didn't read the faq obviously =( |
| 20:17.22 | Phelps | "Blizzard does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game" |
| 20:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | There's a section on which scams are against the TOS |
| 20:17.32 | Phelps | this isn't OUTSIDE |
| 20:17.35 | Phelps | its all inside the game |
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| 20:17.40 | Phelps | right ? |
| 20:18.00 | olafski | how do you give them the mount? |
| 20:18.00 | Phelps | ingame item, for ingame gold |
| 20:18.22 | Phelps | same way you get TCG loot |
| 20:18.28 | Phelps | well, not exactly |
| 20:18.33 | karl_w_w | rule of thumb is if you cant put the item in the trade window it's not an in game trade |
| 20:18.46 | olafski | tcg loot you turn in a code to landro and get an item that you can sell, that's allowed |
| 20:18.53 | Phelps | its a code |
| 20:18.59 | olafski | yeah.. trading the code isn't allowed |
| 20:19.01 | olafski | trading the actual item is |
| 20:19.14 | Phelps | -_- |
| 20:19.33 | olafski | and I imagine this mount isn't bind on use ;) |
| 20:19.45 | Phelps | well |
| 20:19.54 | Phelps | i think its a grey area |
| 20:20.02 | olafski | and it's a code you turn in on the website afaik, not one you turn in in game |
| 20:20.17 | olafski | nothing grey about it, blizzard have stated that this is against the rules :P though I don't think I can be bothered to find a quote on that |
| 20:20.41 | olafski | this "encourages" using stolen credit cards to scam people, which is why they don't want you to do it |
| 20:21.01 | Phelps | well |
| 20:21.07 | Phelps | they better get used to that with D3 |
| 20:21.22 | olafski | D3 isn't wow :P |
| 20:21.38 | Phelps | nope, but can you imagine the number of stolen CCs thats gonna be used |
| 20:21.42 | Phelps | poor poor paypal |
| 20:22.26 | olafski | I'm more worried about the attitude of people in game :P |
| 20:22.40 | olafski | item dropped I can't use, but you can? well I'm keeping it because it's worth money now ;) |
| 20:22.47 | Phelps | yeah |
| 20:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | So you're saying... that because stolen credit cards will be used commonly for D3, Blizzard should just allow it to happen? |
| 20:23.08 | Lopeppeppy | is kind of confused about this idea. |
| 20:23.11 | olafski | then again, I really don't care about that because I don't play with other people |
| 20:23.32 | Arrowmaster | olafski: solution would be a need/greed type system, maybe with items you need on not being AH'able |
| 20:23.44 | olafski | yeah but that's not how diablo works afaik |
| 20:23.44 | foxlit | the solution to that problem is not playing with jerks. |
| 20:23.54 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 20:23.56 | Phelps | he said it encourages people to use stolen CCs, im saying a money AH is an even larger encouragement |
| 20:24.10 | olafski | that still doesn't make this allowed though, phelps :P |
| 20:24.12 | Arrowmaster | the D3 AH will likely not work the same way |
| 20:24.20 | olafski | and I imagine blizzard has some kind of measure against this for D3 |
| 20:24.25 | olafski | surely they've considered the stolen CC thing |
| 20:24.30 | Lopeppeppy | I would say that means that Blizz should be cracking down harder, not "getting used to it". |
| 20:25.16 | Dagmar | I'm not sure people really understand how CC transactions work |
| 20:25.36 | olafski | I'm still wondering if my platform of choice will even have a RMAH.. though I guess it will |
| 20:25.39 | Dagmar | Hell would freeze over before they would have no way to handle pushback from the CC vendor about a transaction that was reported fraudulent |
| 20:26.08 | Dagmar | Just like right now if you try and pay for your WoW monthly with stolen digits, they lock your account. |
| 20:26.32 | Phelps | who decides if its a stolen CC ? |
| 20:26.33 | Dagmar | ...and it takes more than a single phone call to get it turned back on. |
| 20:26.41 | Dagmar | Phelps: The person who owns the fucking card |
| 20:26.58 | Dagmar | ...although occasionally Visa has been known to step in when some of their software spots obvious trends. |
| 20:27.07 | Phelps | and what if they dont know its been stolen yet? |
| 20:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | That's for them and their bank, and banks are pretty good at that stuff nowadays. |
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| 20:27.32 | Dagmar | Like, if you buy an "antivirus" program from some companies in Russia, Visa will cancel your card on the spot and have your bank reissue |
| 20:27.43 | Dagmar | Phelps: It really does not matter. |
| 20:28.02 | Phelps | there will be plenty of valid transactions from stolen CCs |
| 20:28.03 | foxlit | They've already stated that they'll reverse fraudlent transactions in D3. |
| 20:28.04 | Arrowmaster | im guessing the D3 AH will probably be more of either a system where you buy a token currency that is used and later can sell it back to blizz, or they will require the CC to be on the account for a certain period of time and verified before allowing you to make a purchase |
| 20:28.13 | Dagmar | IF five months down the road you realize your card's been getting used fraudulently, you can still call and dispute things, and that will still cause pushback |
| 20:28.39 | Dagmar | Also, we're talking about very tiny purchases |
| 20:29.28 | olafski | didn't they already confirm the token currency thing? |
| 20:29.37 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 20:29.40 | foxlit | that too. |
| 20:29.43 | Phelps | i think you need to load money, so it will probably be like $10, $20, $50 |
| 20:29.44 | olafski | well, "blizzard dollars" I guses |
| 20:29.46 | Dagmar | I can't see them making people wait to buy things. |
| 20:29.50 | olafski | since the screenshot showed prices in $ |
| 20:29.55 | Dagmar | I can see them making people wait to get money back *out* of the system |
| 20:29.55 | foxlit | It's more like you'll have a balance associated with your battle.net account |
| 20:30.04 | Phelps | yeah, thats how it will work |
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| 20:30.10 | Dagmar | I can also see the hundreds of clueless fuckwits raising a stink about having to wait 30 days to get their five bucks |
| 20:30.11 | Phelps | i've read that in a blue somewhere |
| 20:30.29 | Phelps | haha |
| 20:30.32 | Arrowmaster | the token currency could just be $ where you transfer money into the account and back out of it |
| 20:30.38 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:30.44 | Fisker | why does Sixen hate me? |
| 20:31.01 | Phelps | yeah, you just load money into your bnet account, where you can buy ANY blizzard product |
| 20:31.03 | Arrowmaster | the the point is that the CC transaction does not occur when the AH transaction occurs |
| 20:31.51 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 20:31.55 | Fisker | they can get his stuff back |
| 20:31.57 | Fisker | but they won't |
| 20:32.28 | Dagmar | Gaming companies get pretty heavy-handed about CC fraud |
| 20:32.41 | Dagmar | You have to go through a shitload of trouble to get a Steam account back under control, for example |
| 20:33.10 | Fisker | isn't it because it costs them a shitload of money each time someone does that? |
| 20:33.15 | Dagmar | Some company screwed up last fall and did a pushback on *the wrong account* which happened to belong to a coworker |
| 20:33.23 | Dagmar | Fisker: no. |
| 20:33.30 | Fisker | weird |
| 20:33.41 | Arrowmaster | i had a hell of a time getting my XBL account back and i never even lost control of it |
| 20:34.04 | Sixen | funny thing is, everytime I get a beep from here, I know it's fisker |
| 20:34.04 | Sixen | >.> |
| 20:34.07 | Fisker | i remember some Valve dude saying it cost them like 100-150$ when someone did a chargeback |
| 20:34.07 | Dagmar | Valve locked down the Steam account, with it's several hundred dollars' worth of stuff attached |
| 20:34.08 | Arrowmaster | i reported a fraudulent transaction and they locked my account on me |
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| 20:34.43 | Dagmar | It would have been sorted in five days, had his podunk bank manage to not drop the ball a second time |
| 20:35.11 | Dagmar | The claimed they called and talked to his wife about it. She *never* answers the phone. Some kind of social anxiety disorder. |
| 20:35.14 | Fisker | Apparently they've gone over to only locking the game down now |
| 20:35.36 | Dagmar | so of course, whatever lady they did call knew not a damn thing about the transaction |
| 20:35.41 | Arrowmaster | a month later, after the fraud department had said 'no fraud detected' i got a CSR that put 2 and 2 together and figured out that i changed my password and knocked the 'hackers' out of the GFWL client before they could even download what they purchased and refunded my points |
| 20:35.42 | Dagmar | Damn hillbillies |
| 20:37.17 | Dagmar | So basically, no, I don't think there's going to be a bunch of CC piracy with D3. |
| 20:37.34 | Dagmar | There'll be just shitloads and shitloads of phishing and outright malware trying to steal credentials. |
| 20:37.57 | Fisker | The Baconing is so unfair marketing |
| 20:38.11 | Arrowmaster | steal account, transfer items to another account, sell items on AH |
| 20:38.25 | Dagmar | ...which, considering that there's apparently plenty of dumbasses STILL buying WoW gold for cash, and certain fucktard mod groups who merrily take their banner-ad money, isn't a whole lot different from the usual |
| 20:39.22 | Fireymerlin | I'm looking for a way to close all open wow windows. Is there a simple command or maybe a "/run script" I could put in a macro? |
| 20:39.24 | Dagmar | I begin to think it's time to circulate another phony gold purchase generator |
| 20:39.51 | Dagmar | There's nothing like hundreds upon hundreds of completely bogus purchase attempts to take all the profit right out of that crap |
| 20:40.21 | Dagmar | ...and cause the shitheads a small fortune in transaction fees, because Visa just does not care whether you got money or not. |
| 20:40.36 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.19 | Arrowmaster | Fireymerlin: ignore Fisker, hes just a troll |
| 20:41.21 | olafski | fireymerlin: alt+z ;) |
| 20:41.28 | Fisker | how so Arrowmaster ? |
| 20:41.44 | Fireymerlin | I'm just starting with programming in lua...would rather not write an addon for this. |
| 20:41.49 | Phelps | killall -9 World\ of\ Warcraft.app |
| 20:42.27 | Fisker | why so mac Phelps ? |
| 20:42.37 | Phelps | haha |
| 20:42.50 | olafski | that does explain why he's buying gold with dollars though ;) |
| 20:43.02 | TMc51 | rm -rf ./* always works quite well I hear |
| 20:43.04 | Phelps | nope, buying gold with ponies |
| 20:43.12 | Phelps | and pandas |
| 20:43.12 | olafski | which you bought with dollars :< |
| 20:43.26 | Phelps | i dont look at it that way |
| 20:43.28 | olafski | or euros or whatever |
| 20:43.36 | Phelps | I think buying gold with ponies is more fun |
| 20:44.08 | Fisker | taskkill /IM wow.exe /F then |
| 20:45.16 | Phelps | unplug from wall.exe |
| 20:45.57 | olafski | here's your grey area btw phelps : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/900711104#7 |
| 20:46.02 | olafski | in case you hadn't read that yet ;) |
| 20:46.51 | Fisker | Sixen is making quite the amount of assumptions |
| 20:47.12 | Phelps | well, yup |
| 20:48.15 | Fisker | A response from SIXEN is far off from confirmation of anything. |
| 20:48.15 | Fisker | He does not work for Blizzard. |
| 20:48.15 | Fisker | But he does run http://diablo.incgamers.com/ and I think they would know. |
| 20:48.16 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 20:49.47 | foxlit | hm, anyway |
| 20:49.53 | foxlit | Doesn't all diablo loot drop for /you/? |
| 20:49.56 | foxlit | Not for /your party/? |
| 20:50.05 | olafski | only one person sees each item yeah |
| 20:50.24 | Fisker | there are drops for everyone |
| 20:50.34 | olafski | hm like quest items and gold I guess? |
| 20:50.38 | foxlit | so yeah, that situation from like 10 minutes ago won't occur. |
| 20:50.44 | Fisker | i.e. 4 pieces of loot tables are created for one monster if you are 4 players |
| 20:51.29 | olafski | foxlit: back in diablo 2 I remember people going "oh I found a good ring for an amazon, want it?" now it'll be "hah I found this lvl 5 mace, I'll check how much it goes for on the AH" ;-) |
| 20:51.40 | olafski | but again, not my problem as I solo |
| 20:52.08 | foxlit | chances are you won't find items you can't use. |
| 20:52.28 | olafski | that sounds quite unlike the diablo "system" |
| 20:52.38 | olafski | but maybe they changed it =) |
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| 20:52.42 | foxlit | sounds more fun, though. |
| 20:52.56 | olafski | disagree, but that's up to you =) |
| 20:53.22 | Fisker | thanks for answering my question i asked you like several days ago Sixen in a random post on the US forums though |
| 20:55.51 | olafski | I've been playing D2 again lately.. don't remember the game being so brutal |
| 20:56.07 | nicoli_s | Fisker:sixen doesnt run incgamers |
| 20:56.11 | nicoli_s | he runs diablofans |
| 20:56.11 | olafski | but I guess 1.10 changed things a lot, and ladder characters apparently have it tougher than non ladder too |
| 20:56.38 | Sixen | yeah, some kid is going around on the official forums saying that |
| 20:56.44 | Sixen | so people will go to incgamers instead |
| 20:56.54 | Fisker | probably elly or some shit |
| 20:57.12 | olafski | elly is bad? |
| 20:57.16 | Fisker | i never met elly but he is the kinda guy i would physically harm without ever having met him real life |
| 20:57.28 | Fisker | unless she's a chick, then it's the kinda chick i would harm |
| 20:57.34 | olafski | nice |
| 20:57.36 | Sixen | elly is a chick, flux is the doucher |
| 20:57.39 | olafski | what did he/she do wrong? |
| 20:57.44 | olafski | yeah flux is a douche iirc :P |
| 20:57.48 | olafski | though I didn't really like elly either |
| 20:58.12 | olafski | don't really remember what she did to wrong me but I do remember not liking her |
| 20:59.12 | Fisker | incgamers themselves pretty much also lost any respect with their countless compromises and attempts to deny/cover it up |
| 20:59.44 | olafski | so diablofans is better? I better go there then |
| 21:00.03 | Fisker | of course! |
| 21:00.10 | Fisker | Basically as i recall it |
| 21:00.15 | Fisker | back in the addon wars |
| 21:00.17 | olafski | ah diablowiki belongs to that then.. nice |
| 21:00.19 | Fisker | where there was more than 2 sites |
| 21:00.26 | Fisker | and a bunch of dicks stealing bandwitdh |
| 21:00.43 | Fisker | Incgamers kept having a client that was compromised every few days or so |
| 21:00.59 | Fisker | and every time someone posted about it, the post got deleted, and usually the user banned |
| 21:01.02 | olafski | addon wars for diablo? or was this the wowmatrix kind of thing |
| 21:01.06 | Fisker | until they could no longer hold back the publicity |
| 21:01.09 | Fisker | for WoW |
| 21:01.11 | Cide | flux is funny |
| 21:01.16 | olafski | ah |
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| 21:01.17 | Fisker | and then it was like "OH LOL WE DIDN'T KNOW" |
| 21:01.25 | Cide | every post he makes is passive-aggressive toward blizzard |
| 21:01.29 | Fisker | and they cleaned house, kept on for a few more days, rinse and repeat |
| 21:01.58 | Fisker | And i think in the end it turned out that basically some of their servers where compromised by rootkits and shit |
| 21:01.59 | olafski | haven't read any recent flux posts.. but the articles he wrote on diabloii.net were annoying |
| 21:02.12 | Fisker | fun times |
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| 21:03.06 | Dagmar | Yeah it's kinda hard to keep a colo host secure unless you actually know your shit. They clearly didn't. |
| 21:04.17 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt a colo host |
| 21:04.29 | Arrowmaster | it was a shared box |
| 21:04.54 | Cide | like "They are essentially identical to the WoW/SC2 sites/forums, and will presumably bring you all the Blizzard PR-approved news that you could ever want." |
| 21:05.02 | Arrowmaster | a page on another customers site was being used to gain access and modify the incgamers downloads |
| 21:05.03 | Cide | or the full quote rather |
| 21:05.05 | Cide | "The new official D3 âcommunityâ blog is now online, as are the new D3 Battle.net forums. They are essentially identical to the WoW/SC2 sites/forums, and will presumably bring you all the Blizzard PR-approved news that you could ever want. " |
| 21:06.00 | Fisker | :D |
| 21:06.42 | Fisker | surely they can't be volunteering |
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| 21:07.56 | olafski | though I do like seeing some quality flux bashing, I think I better sleep.. another day to work in amsterdam tomorrow.. good thing this thing is only 4 days :] |
| 21:08.35 | Ackis | you only have 4 day work weeks? |
| 21:08.47 | olafski | no, they sent me to amsterdam for 4 days |
| 21:09.01 | olafski | I work 40 hours a week (8 a day :-)) |
| 21:09.27 | olafski | though this friday I took the afternoon off |
| 21:09.52 | olafski | should do that more often, I'll never run out of vacation days otherwise :P |
| 21:11.35 | olafski | so yeah nn ackis! |
| 21:11.42 | olafski | gattling gears is 400 msp this week btw if you're gold |
| 21:20.31 | foxlit | are CVars always current? |
| 21:22.10 | Fisker | sometimes they're voltage |
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| 21:28.52 | mckenziemc | doubles Fisker's impedance |
| 21:29.04 | Fisker | fuck you mckenziemc |
| 21:29.24 | cog|work | doubles Fisker's impotence |
| 21:29.54 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 21:29.58 | Fisker | sexy cog|work |
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| 21:39.26 | Fisker | whey nicoli_s |
| 21:41.43 | mckenziemc | curds Fisker |
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| 21:59.37 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/195411/forum-moderators-are-garbage-%EF%BC%88%E2%95%AF%E0%B2%A0%E7%9B%8A%E0%B2%A0%EF%BC%89%E2%95%AF%EF%B8%B5-%E2%94%BB%E2%94%81%E2%94%BB |
| 21:59.43 | Kraps | best url ever |
| 22:00.17 | Dagmar | Ah... THat explains the weird whistling sound we were hearing at the office. |
| 22:00.33 | Dagmar | ...the banhammer coming down. |
| 22:00.47 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:05.01 | Torhal | e |
| 22:05.43 | mckenziemc | f |
| 22:06.49 | Fisker | g |
| 22:26.02 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 22:26.14 | Fisker | i got the beta email now as well |
| 22:26.28 | Sixen | so delete it? |
| 22:26.42 | Fisker | it's legitimate i think |
| 22:26.42 | Fisker | Dear players |
| 22:26.43 | Fisker | blizzard entertainment notifies you that your wow account has been chosen to participate in cataclysm bata |
| 22:27.03 | Fisker | giggles all the way over to the TV |
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| 22:39.12 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: any more feedback? |
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| 22:39.45 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 22:40.12 | nicoli_s | ckknight:did you ever get anywhere with yer FB game? |
| 22:43.01 | ckknight | nope, never started ;-) |
| 22:44.48 | nicoli_s | considering playing around with it myself, they added xna support to silverlight in the browser recently, gonna play around with it |
| 22:46.10 | cog|work | this hurts my brain |
| 22:46.12 | cog|work | http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmoriarty/2011/08/25/sarah-palins-pre-presidential-power/ |
| 22:47.15 | nicoli_s | very much so |
| 22:47.52 | nicoli_s | do people really think that is sarah palin runs shes going to kick everyone elses ass? |
| 22:48.07 | cog|work | the comments ... oh the comments |
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| 22:52.57 | Thunder_Child | the Summer Glau of politics? |
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| 23:00.58 | kd3 | ok. math question. took me a few minutes to figure out... |
| 23:01.02 | kd3 | given any positive integer, can you represent it as the sum of the square of three integers? m = x^2+y^2+z^2 |
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| 23:07.15 | mckenziemc | maybe |
| 23:08.27 | cog|work | is pythagorus involved in any way? |
| 23:08.29 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s: why would you ever want to use silverlight? |
| 23:08.48 | kd3 | nope. just a universal "can this be done or not?" kinda question |
| 23:09.03 | cog|work | well i assumed there was a "explain why" implied |
| 23:09.15 | Xyphoid_ | 7 is a counterexample isn't it? |
| 23:09.20 | kd3 | yah. it's a discrete math question. |
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| 23:09.28 | kd3 | also, yup. that's the answer I gave |
| 23:09.46 | cog|work | any prime number should be a counterexample |
| 23:09.58 | kd3 | except 3 or 5 |
| 23:09.58 | mckenziemc | huh |
| 23:09.59 | Xyphoid_ | 5 is not a counterexample (1+0+4) |
| 23:10.01 | Xyphoid_ | snap |
| 23:10.02 | cog|work | oh nm |
| 23:10.11 | Xyphoid_ | 11 is 1+1+9 |
| 23:10.25 | cog|work | 16:10 < cog|work> oh nm |
| 23:10.27 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:10.36 | mckenziemc | cheats and uses i |
| 23:11.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: he would use silverlight because he's a ms suckup and loves .net :P |
| 23:11.44 | Arrowmaster | flash at least sorta works on linux |
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| 23:38.42 | ckknight | Torhal: come up with any advice/suggestions? |
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| 23:54.17 | ckknight | Marxists say God doesn't exist, cog|work |
