| 00:02.45 | foxlit | Dagmar: unclear if those are part of the headwear or not |
| 00:03.02 | foxlit | also, looks more like a moustache than tusks |
| 00:08.18 | Cairenn | Hey guys? Anyone know where Shirik is these days? Yes, I see that he is 'logged in' here, but ... |
| 00:08.45 | Dagmar | Did something flying just crash into your apartment? |
| 00:08.59 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 00:09.58 | Thunder_Child | i think someone said he is somewhere |
| 00:10.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:10.11 | Cairenn | That's helpful Thunder_Child :p |
| 00:10.16 | Thunder_Child | you could just call him and ask |
| 00:11.03 | Cide | Cairenn: busy with work |
| 00:11.20 | Cide | busy as in extremely busy afaik |
| 00:38.56 | [Wobin] | foxlit: eh, the leather caster ZA mask makes my worgen look like a troll |
| 00:45.15 | Thunder_Child | Cide: so busy he can not respond to a ping to say "No, I am not infact dead like the rumors suggest". |
| 00:53.57 | Cide | he's using bnc |
| 00:54.02 | Cide | so he isn't actually online |
| 00:55.41 | Shirik | I am not in fact dead like the rumors suggest |
| 00:57.11 | Shirik | I have, however, made a ton of money in the past week |
| 00:57.13 | Shirik | or two |
| 00:57.20 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...i sense a patsy |
| 00:57.23 | Shirik | I started being an active trader on the stock market |
| 00:57.34 | Maldivia | so it's all your fault!? |
| 00:57.35 | Shirik | it's stupider (and thus easier to profit off of) than the WoW AH |
| 01:00.08 | Shirik | Maldivia: What's my fault? |
| 01:02.10 | Maldivia | the turmoils on the stock market |
| 01:02.14 | Thunder_Child | stealing the money of hard working americans |
| 01:14.17 | Shirik | Maldivia: Actually I was doing what every smart person should have been doing |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | buy buy buy buy |
| 01:14.25 | Shirik | stocks so cheap |
| 01:14.32 | Shirik | and for no reason |
| 01:14.42 | Thunder_Child | yes there is |
| 01:14.51 | Thunder_Child | the US no longer has a AAA raiting |
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| 01:14.57 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 01:15.00 | Shirik | you know what the reaction to that was? |
| 01:15.06 | Thunder_Child | stupidity |
| 01:15.08 | Shirik | Move your money to US treasury bonds because they're safer |
| 01:15.21 | Shirik | seriously, US treasury rates dropped instead of going up |
| 01:15.21 | Thunder_Child | like i said |
| 01:15.23 | Shirik | because of the demand |
| 01:15.45 | Shirik | but it's true, that's the safest place |
| 01:19.43 | Maldivia | well, it was only S&P who downgraded their rating for the US |
| 01:21.25 | Thunder_Child | true, but they are the first among equal;s |
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| 02:00.59 | Cide | are you still around Shirik?! |
| 02:01.12 | Shirik | the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated |
| 02:01.18 | Cide | Shirik: http://www.artima.com/cppsource/rvalue.html |
| 02:01.24 | Thunder_Child | but he is still a little dead |
| 02:01.26 | Cide | code snippet right above "References" |
| 02:01.34 | Cide | what is the purpose of the struct? |
| 02:02.13 | Shirik | which struct |
| 02:02.20 | Cide | identity |
| 02:02.22 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:02.46 | Cide | like why "typename identity<T>::type" when type is just T |
| 02:02.52 | Cide | instead of just "T" |
| 02:03.44 | Shirik | Are you sure that's not a simplified example? |
| 02:03.49 | Shirik | I do that in quite a few places |
| 02:03.57 | Cide | no idea |
| 02:03.58 | Shirik | but with a class that actually has things inside of it |
| 02:04.02 | foxlit | "correct me if I'm wrong." << oh so tempted :( |
| 02:04.04 | Shirik | in which case it is very useful |
| 02:04.12 | Cide | just seemed weird that |
| 02:04.21 | Cide | in a simple example they would introduce a totally extraneous struct |
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| 02:06.57 | Cide | also how does forward work differently from move? |
| 02:07.46 | Cide | seems very similar in its definition except for the typename things |
| 02:07.51 | Shirik | oh no it's a definition |
| 02:07.56 | Shirik | not a simplified example |
| 02:08.03 | Cide | yes |
| 02:08.24 | Cide | I'm wondering why the struct is necessary |
| 02:08.26 | Cide | assuming it is necessary |
| 02:09.48 | Shirik | thinking |
| 02:10.10 | Shirik | um |
| 02:10.15 | Shirik | ok that's not actually the definition of forward |
| 02:10.16 | Shirik | so I don't know |
| 02:11.04 | Cide | aw |
| 02:12.01 | Shirik | OH |
| 02:12.02 | Shirik | I see |
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| 02:12.37 | Shirik | It's to eliminate the problem of passing an lvalue reference into forward |
| 02:12.50 | Shirik | if it were T&&, T could not evaluate to a proper type |
| 02:13.21 | Shirik | as identity<T>::type&&, the compiler can infer T to be of the basic type |
| 02:13.49 | Shirik | o btw |
| 02:16.13 | Shirik | does that make sense Cide? |
| 02:19.56 | Cide | almost |
| 02:20.50 | Cide | <Shirik> if it were T&&, T could not evaluate to a proper type |
| 02:20.55 | Cide | why is that? |
| 02:20.58 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:20.59 | Cide | and what is a proper type specifically |
| 02:21.03 | Shirik | Let's say you pass in an lvalue |
| 02:21.11 | Shirik | and you did T&& |
| 02:21.47 | Shirik | let's say you have a Foo |
| 02:21.50 | Shirik | so you pass in a Foo& |
| 02:22.23 | Shirik | If you do T&&, T is assumed to be Foo so you're getting a Foo&& |
| 02:22.49 | Shirik | However if you do identity<T>::type&&, T is assumed to be Foo& |
| 02:23.07 | Shirik | which means the end result of using forward is that you get an lvalue reference out of it |
| 02:23.32 | Cide | why is T assumed to be Foo&? |
| 02:23.43 | Cide | if T is Foo, identity<Foo>::type should be Foo as well |
| 02:23.52 | Cide | ? |
| 02:25.26 | Shirik | sec let me see if I can get a better example for you |
| 02:25.29 | Shirik | but I'm in an RBG |
| 02:28.36 | Cide | np |
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| 03:03.53 | kd3 | eesh. 32-block diameter spheres take a lot of glass to make. |
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| 04:20.48 | Corrodias | grumble, i should probably try to contact a wikia administrator about somebody spamming a scratchpad page |
| 04:20.52 | Corrodias | now if i can just figure out how... |
| 04:23.02 | Shirik | ok I give up Cide |
| 04:23.08 | Shirik | Visual Studio's implementation is not compliant |
| 04:23.31 | Shirik | but basically it boils down to whether you're returning an lvalue or an rvalue |
| 04:27.22 | Cide | returning from std::forward()? |
| 04:28.00 | Arrowmaster | wow Shirik is back |
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| 04:28.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: perma ban *.chatmosphere.org, eir keeps removing the ban |
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| 04:30.02 | Shirik | why |
| 04:30.10 | Shirik | yes Cide |
| 04:30.20 | Shirik | std::forward needs to treat lvalues as lvalues |
| 04:30.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: are you sure eir isnt going to remove it in 24 hours? |
| 04:30.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:30.54 | Cide | std::move also returns an rvalue though? |
| 04:32.05 | Shirik | correct |
| 04:33.19 | Shirik | basically what happens |
| 04:33.36 | Shirik | you get an rvalue reference to a lvalue |
| 04:33.41 | Shirik | if I haven't confused you yet |
| 04:33.50 | Shirik | an rvalue reference to an lvalue reference |
| 04:34.05 | Ackis | what's wrong with chatmosphere.org Arrowmaster? |
| 04:34.27 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: have you been gone for the past week too? |
| 04:35.34 | Shirik | Cide: Keep in mind this only applies to templates |
| 04:35.42 | Shirik | you wouldn't use std::forward except in a template |
| 04:35.45 | Shirik | it makes no sense |
| 04:36.29 | Shirik | it's to be used for cases where we don't know what we're dealing with until template instantiation time |
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| 04:37.41 | Shirik | I think I confused Cide to death |
| 04:37.49 | Shirik | but that's what he gets for trying to understand rvalue references |
| 04:39.42 | Cide | you did |
| 04:39.49 | Cide | also I'm raiding |
| 04:43.19 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: my brother-in-law died, so yes I've been gone |
| 04:45.41 | Cairenn | hugs Ackis |
| 04:46.49 | Fisker | i'm the sickest of sick Ackis |
| 04:47.01 | Shirik | Ackis, you should come to PAX Prime |
| 04:49.25 | Ackis | I'm coming to blizzcon |
| 04:49.38 | Shirik | but I'm not working blizzcon |
| 04:49.42 | Shirik | I'm having fun |
| 04:51.35 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/QqKuL.jpg |
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| 04:53.10 | Corrodias | who's that? |
| 04:53.21 | Ackis | my brother-in-law |
| 04:53.28 | Ackis | and his daughter |
| 04:53.50 | Corrodias | i see |
| 04:54.09 | Ackis | taken about a week before he died, I have it printed out and in a frame (did that today) |
| 04:56.01 | Corrodias | my uncle went recently. last direct relative on my mother's side. |
| 04:56.10 | Corrodias | aside from her |
| 04:56.47 | Fisker | makes a few farts on Ackis |
| 05:01.35 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 05:01.36 | Fisker | you jerk? |
| 05:02.03 | Ackis | hi was wiping on heroic stomping boss |
| 05:03.42 | Fisker | you suck |
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| 06:00.32 | Ackis | Cairenn: ^ |
| 06:00.41 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:02.11 | bluspacecow | hes got his "like a boss" face on |
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| 06:24.45 | karl_w_w | ~logs |
| 06:24.46 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 06:26.19 | Thunder_Child | ~poo logs |
| 06:26.19 | purl | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at logs |
| 06:26.29 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 06:29.32 | karl_w_w | not quite the result you were hoping for TC? :P |
| 06:29.57 | Thunder_Child | something like that |
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| 07:15.11 | zenzelezz | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/epic-fail-photos-type-of-friends-fail.jpg - I can't help but wonder if anyone actually does not understand how that will be read, or if they make those things *because* they know how they'll be read |
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| 07:50.55 | karl_w_w | ~logs |
| 07:50.55 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 07:53.42 | bluspacecow | anyone remember the cvar for saving macros server side ? |
| 07:54.11 | bluspacecow | nvm think i find it |
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| 08:41.21 | Cairenn | night all |
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| 11:59.20 | airtonix | this is how i feel right now : http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2067893/Worthless-Shady-Criminals-A-Defense-Of-SEO |
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| 12:04.37 | airtonix | kinda like : FUUUUUUUUUU |
| 12:11.32 | haste | so much text airtonix |
| 12:11.39 | haste | such a cmplex feeling it has to be |
| 12:12.44 | airtonix | it's a simple feeling as most human ones are , but the cause is complex |
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| 12:25.05 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Sh-b1jtX0 |
| 12:25.15 | bluspacecow | not sure if want. (Bastion) |
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| 12:41.23 | Arrowmaster | ill wait for a sale |
| 12:42.28 | bluspacecow | you think so ? |
| 12:42.40 | bluspacecow | how long ago did caireen go to bed ? |
| 12:43.09 | Arrowmaster | she claimed to goto bed 4 hours ago but we all know she doesnt sleep |
| 12:43.19 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 12:43.22 | bluspacecow | http://lovemeow.com/2011/08/blankie-kitty/ |
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| 13:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, Mercury is in retrograde in Leo! Exactly the reason why life is full of asshattery this week. *serious nod* |
| 13:20.26 | nevcairiel | wha? |
| 13:20.50 | nevcairiel | astrology is not a science |
| 13:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | You seriously want me to get all astrological on ya? *laugh* It's FUN! |
| 13:21.28 | Lopeppeppy | Luna Lovegood fun. |
| 13:21.35 | nevcairiel | people usually need no reason for asshattery |
| 13:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh so very true, nevcairiel. |
| 13:23.41 | bluspacecow | hai2u2 peppy |
| 13:24.05 | bluspacecow | why peoples want to wear ass on hat ? |
| 13:24.13 | bluspacecow | or hat on ass ah nvm |
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| 13:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | O. M R schtooop'd. C D E D B D brainz. |
| 13:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, blueberry delight. |
| 13:27.16 | bluspacecow | please supply me with brain bleach peppy |
| 13:27.29 | bluspacecow | i imagined fisker with a hat on his ass |
| 13:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooooh. Was it a fez? |
| 13:27.47 | bluspacecow | yep! |
| 13:29.00 | airtonix | nevcairiel: iashatu |
| 13:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | Draino, bleach, and a scrub brush being Fed Ex'd! |
| 13:29.52 | airtonix | so Lopeppeppy |
| 13:30.43 | bluspacecow | kk thanks |
| 13:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sew, airtonix. |
| 13:32.58 | airtonix | Make it |
| 13:33.09 | airtonix | like it was 1984 |
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| 13:35.11 | Kraps | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/jmcwa/in_1938_tolkien_was_preparing_to_release_the/ |
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| 13:52.26 | kd3 | ooh; a natural river in mc: http://i.imgur.com/6MeBH.jpg |
| 13:55.04 | airtonix | umad? |
| 13:55.44 | kd3 | nope. looks neat |
| 13:56.15 | airtonix | so ravines + open air + accident of water = river? |
| 13:56.36 | kd3 | http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/104185682674728960 |
| 13:57.03 | bluspacecow | rivers ? |
| 13:58.44 | karl_w_w | how is it natural |
| 13:59.05 | jnwhiteh | kd3: that's awesome! |
| 13:59.05 | karl_w_w | it's make believe :P |
| 13:59.15 | karl_w_w | somebody carved that out of pure pixel |
| 13:59.40 | bluspacecow | whats the difference between that and an ocean in MC ? |
| 14:01.42 | bluspacecow | sooooo i has this link from the old forums ..;... anyone know a site that archived the threads there so i can track down a copy of what was in teh thread ? |
| 14:02.57 | jnwhiteh | bluspacecow: the same difference between a river and an ocean in real life? =) |
| 14:03.10 | bluspacecow | no in minecraft silly |
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| 14:23.36 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/zmnZi.png |
| 14:26.18 | Fisker | i imagined your mom with a hat on her ass bluspacecow |
| 14:26.39 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 14:26.42 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 14:26.48 | airtonix | my hat off to you sir |
| 14:26.57 | airtonix | a top hat |
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| 14:32.03 | airtonix | so U2 are playwrights now? |
| 14:32.11 | airtonix | how amusing |
| 14:36.17 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 14:36.18 | Fisker | umad? |
| 14:36.36 | airtonix | indiddly deed |
| 14:36.49 | airtonix | ugigiddy? |
| 14:45.38 | bluspacecow | hai fisker |
| 14:45.39 | bluspacecow | http://iwastesomuchtime.com/img_active/b.php?src=August-16-2011-17-04-36-heylookadolfin6795.png&w=700&q=50 |
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| 15:12.12 | karl_w_w | http://iwastesomuchtime.com/img_active/August-11-2011-21-47-40-image3631.jpg |
| 15:13.01 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 15:13.06 | nevcairiel | and canadians on a evening stroll are not suspicious? |
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| 15:15.44 | bluspacecow | http://iwastesomuchtime.com/img_active/b.php?src=August-04-2011-18-02-11-ScreenShot20110726at11.49.18AM.jpeg&w=499&q=50 |
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| 15:26.23 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 15:26.24 | Fisker | umad? |
| 15:26.42 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 15:26.53 | Fisker | is rivers a new type of "terrain" so to speak? |
| 15:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | No, River is a stealth ninja on a space ship out in the 'verse. |
| 15:31.05 | airtonix | don't you have rivers where you live? |
| 15:31.14 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: win. |
| 15:33.59 | Kraps | what jnwhiteh said |
| 15:34.05 | airtonix | no |
| 15:34.15 | Kraps | umad? |
| 15:34.20 | airtonix | btw kd3 that picture is fake |
| 15:34.24 | airtonix | i can tell |
| 15:36.36 | Kraps | time for the daily PONIES The Anthology viewing |
| 15:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss, jnwhiteh. How're the wasp stings? |
| 15:37.27 | jnwhiteh | less itchy |
| 15:37.30 | jnwhiteh | which is good =) |
| 15:38.21 | airtonix | at least you're not dead |
| 15:38.26 | jnwhiteh | true! |
| 15:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | I feel happy? |
| 15:38.59 | airtonix | bring out ur dead |
| 15:39.21 | airtonix | ok so new idea: |
| 15:39.25 | airtonix | online funerals |
| 15:39.31 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 15:39.34 | airtonix | bad idea |
| 15:39.37 | Torhal|work | slathers Nutella on airtonix. |
| 15:39.40 | Torhal|work | lets the dogs out. |
| 15:39.48 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 15:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | Why bad, airtonix? Skype a funeral for very distant relatives who can't be there. |
| 15:40.22 | airtonix | yeah ok $2000, and we send you the cardboard box |
| 15:40.29 | Torhal|work | o.O |
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| 15:40.40 | airtonix | diy funeral just skype us |
| 15:41.01 | Kraps | bad idea because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJVolaC8pw |
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| 15:41.20 | Torhal|work | old Kraps |
| 15:41.22 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 15:41.36 | Kraps | orly Torhal|work |
| 15:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | That's an online funeral in a public setting, Kraps. I'm talking about Skype or a video feed, something private for the family. |
| 15:43.48 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you know, many viral videos started because people didnt know how to make their youtube uploads private #justsayin |
| 15:47.17 | airtonix | what channel is that |
| 15:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | Why upload something private to YouTube? *boggles* |
| 15:50.08 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:50.26 | airtonix | because i don't have a c: drive |
| 15:50.53 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 15:51.04 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh |
| 15:51.08 | Fisker | what does you says? |
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| 15:51.44 | jnwhiteh | I say 'penis' |
| 15:51.48 | jnwhiteh | freuqnelty |
| 15:51.49 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 15:52.03 | Fisker | but regarding the rivers in minecraft |
| 15:52.12 | jnwhiteh | what about them? |
| 15:52.23 | Fisker | doesn't that like fuck up the world? |
| 15:52.31 | airtonix | come on rivers! |
| 15:52.49 | jnwhiteh | why would it fuck up the world? |
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| 15:52.51 | bluspacecow | http://t.iloveyouxi.com/game/qiqi.php?placeid=16136 |
| 15:52.58 | bluspacecow | kinda weird but cool ad |
| 15:53.10 | Fisker | because you already built it jnwhiteh |
| 15:53.20 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 15:53.22 | jnwhiteh | built what? |
| 15:53.23 | Fisker | suddenly rivers going through your house |
| 15:53.25 | Fisker | bam |
| 15:53.26 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 15:53.33 | jnwhiteh | it would only happen on newly generated chunks |
| 15:53.37 | jnwhiteh | like everything that's ever been added.. |
| 15:54.04 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 15:57.28 | bluspacecow | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/15/sorry-dude-thought-you-were-pikachu/ |
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| 16:10.05 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6jkDikBSmg&NR=1 |
| 16:10.06 | bluspacecow | LOLZ |
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| 16:22.17 | Torhal|work | generates Fisker in chunks. |
| 16:23.41 | Fisker | i chunked your mom Torhal|work |
| 16:23.54 | Torhal|work | You must have been bored. |
| 16:27.20 | airtonix | or mad |
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| 16:44.49 | zenzelezz | http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/08/18/1341233/Coming-Soon-Shorter-Video-Games - "'Make a game worth my time and money, and I'll be happy,' says Casey Willis. 'After all, 10 hours of awesome is better than 20 hours of boring.'" |
| 16:45.32 | zenzelezz | I would agree, but I don't recall being overly fond of any short game for a while; certainly not given their cost |
| 16:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | IIRC, the first Portal game was about 10 hours for the average player? |
| 16:50.11 | zenzelezz | I have no idea. The Portal games were too short for my taste |
| 16:50.29 | zenzelezz | but better than many other short games |
| 16:53.54 | nevcairiel | I liked the first portal game much more then the second |
| 16:54.29 | zenzelezz | me too, but I couldn't quite decide if that was because it was more of a new thing or just the "story" part putting me off in P2 |
| 16:54.49 | nevcairiel | 1 was more a fun game, maybe that was it |
| 16:55.18 | zenzelezz | P1 seemed to be just a brainteaser game, P2 tried to add a story... that didn't work for me |
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| 16:58.54 | Fisker | Portal 2 was a greater game |
| 16:59.02 | Fisker | But Portal 1 had greater impact |
| 16:59.38 | Fisker | Also they might've dumbed down the puzzles a little too much, but coop makes up for it |
| 16:59.42 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 16:59.49 | bluspacecow | a non troll comment by fisker ? |
| 16:59.50 | bluspacecow | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:59.54 | bluspacecow | *runs away* |
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| 16:59.57 | Fisker | i'm always non trolling blu |
| 17:00.00 | Fisker | fuck you |
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| 17:01.55 | Kraps | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lolkiaJlRa1qadhgmo1_500.jpg |
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| 17:08.22 | moop | do :Hide() and :SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) terrminate OnUpdate in the same way? |
| 17:08.57 | moop | i.e. if there's no visible frame to hide and I just want to stop the onupdate |
| 17:09.32 | zenzelezz | if there's no visible frame, the OnUpdate shouldn't be getting called |
| 17:09.46 | zenzelezz | unless you mean "shown, but with no visible elements" |
| 17:09.50 | moop | yeah, that's what i mean |
| 17:10.21 | zenzelezz | do you want to reintroduce the OnUpdate again at some later point? |
| 17:10.33 | moop | yeah, so I guess it's best to go with SetScript, right? |
| 17:10.41 | moop | so avoid having to show and hide all the time |
| 17:10.42 | zenzelezz | I'd just go with Hide and Show |
| 17:10.45 | moop | oh |
| 17:10.49 | zenzelezz | well, I don't know how often you do this |
| 17:11.05 | zenzelezz | but since your frame apparently doesn't show anything anyway, showing and hiding wouldn't matter much to the user |
| 17:11.26 | moop | let's say once every minute or so on average the onupdate will be called |
| 17:11.31 | zenzelezz | as to whether there's any significant difference between hiding and clearing the script, I do not know |
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| 17:12.02 | nevcairiel | Hiding always seemed easier for me |
| 17:13.06 | nevcairiel | As long as the frame has no visible regions, it doesnt introduce any overhead |
| 17:13.44 | moop | so, just to clarify it for myself - when :Hide() is called, the OnUpdate is temporarily "paused" until :Show() is called? |
| 17:14.16 | nevcairiel | I don't think paused is the right word, but yes, OnUpdate will not be called when the frame is hidden |
| 17:14.29 | zenzelezz | OnUpdate is only called if the frame it belongs to is shown |
| 17:14.34 | moop | oh |
| 17:14.44 | moop | I see, got it |
| 17:15.07 | nevcairiel | is it only shown, or visible? (ie. all parents also shown)? |
| 17:15.21 | nevcairiel | I should go find that out! |
| 17:15.50 | zenzelezz | I don't know, I keep getting those two confused |
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| 17:16.24 | nevcairiel | well a pure OnUpdate frame would probably not have any parent anyway |
| 17:16.46 | nevcairiel | and for some graphical animations .. they dont have to run when its not visible. :P |
| 17:17.43 | zenzelezz | "I don't always update my frames, but when I do, I do it without making it visible to the user" |
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| 17:21.53 | moop | thanks for the help guys, i'll be off now :) |
| 17:27.31 | Kraps | know whats worse than a sharktopus? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bearsharktopus |
| 17:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooooh. |
| 17:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | I like. |
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| 17:55.21 | Lunessa | I'm on my way, I don't know where I'm going but I'm on my way. Takin' my time 'cause I don't know when. |
| 17:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Good bye Rosie, the queen of Verona. |
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| 18:14.42 | Kraps | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jessi-slaughter#death |
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| 18:16.52 | Kraps | there are no words |
| 18:20.21 | Kraps | so she cries about being bullied and then embraces her e-celebrity, her father cant handle the stress and becomes abusive (assuming he wasnt before) and then dies from the stress |
| 18:20.43 | Kraps | and they all lived fuckingly ever after |
| 18:31.19 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:31.20 | Fisker | old |
| 18:42.14 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 18:42.16 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
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| 18:56.42 | karl_w_w | sad, war of the ancients wont be a raid : |
| 18:56.44 | karl_w_w | ( |
| 18:58.38 | dolby | huh, guess he eats at subway http://i.imgur.com/xd61f.jpg |
| 19:05.35 | karl_w_w | uh |
| 19:05.51 | karl_w_w | there was a thread on mmo-c that started with that |
| 19:05.55 | karl_w_w | it was quite epic |
| 19:08.52 | dolby | guess it moved to reddit |
| 19:11.21 | karl_w_w | can't find thread :( |
| 19:11.33 | karl_w_w | oh wait I know how to find it, I posted in it :P |
| 19:18.04 | karl_w_w | ah, my memory was a bit off, not sure which came first: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/887781-Photoshop-Thrall |
| 19:18.27 | karl_w_w | guess it was just bolvar |
| 19:22.10 | dolby | lol the keanu park bench one is good |
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| 19:40.38 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
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| 19:48.08 | cog|away | Fisker Sixen around a bit with a large Ackis |
| 19:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad I'm not into that. |
| 19:49.09 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 19:49.11 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:52.38 | Sixen | lol cog |
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| 19:54.33 | cogwheel | Sixen: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2973017236?page=1#11 how long sohuld i wait to mention i'm going to blizzcon? ;) |
| 19:54.51 | cogwheel | do want free beer! |
| 19:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, beerz. |
| 19:56.02 | Sixen | hahaha :P |
| 19:56.17 | Sixen | You should ask if he'll take you out to dinner too first p |
| 19:58.36 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 19:58.44 | Sixen | hi |
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| 20:02.24 | Fisker | oh wow |
| 20:02.26 | Fisker | you hi'd me |
| 20:02.28 | Fisker | whats wrong? |
| 20:04.08 | Thunder_Child | he is dying |
| 20:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | TC! Geez. |
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| 20:07.47 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:08.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes. |
| 20:09.07 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:09.08 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEES |
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| 20:11.17 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/KoovL.jpg |
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| 20:13.55 | Kraps | also, ubisoft lied about "from dust"s DRM |
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| 20:14.21 | olafski | I'll take two for that price kraps |
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| 20:15.04 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 20:21.06 | Kraps | wat http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/mass-effect-vote-2-pick-a-pretend-ladys-hair/ |
| 20:21.33 | Kraps | red is still better than blond though |
| 20:22.18 | Lopeppeppy | Redheads RULE! /high fives Cairenn |
| 20:22.36 | Kraps | gah, i missed so much gaming news this week |
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| 20:24.04 | cogwheel | The fact that I would never say such a thing is why I don't consider myself a gamer :P |
| 20:24.32 | Lunessa | Redheads, do, in fact rule. |
| 20:25.02 | Kraps | cogwheel: was that an insult? i cant tell |
| 20:26.35 | cogwheel | nah |
| 20:26.49 | cogwheel | just randomly connecting with a past topic of discussion |
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| 20:32.03 | Kraps | oh ok |
| 20:32.53 | karl_w_w | fucking hate this msn video player |
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| 20:37.49 | Ackis | gingers have no soul :( |
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| 20:38.08 | cogwheel | only a ginger can call another ginger ginger |
| 20:38.32 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw |
| 20:39.04 | Ackis | cogwheel: is that like if you're fatter than someone you're allowed to call them fat but they can't call you fat? |
| 20:39.20 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:39.26 | Ackis | cogwheel: you're a fatty! |
| 20:39.27 | Ackis | :D |
| 20:39.31 | cogwheel | see the song! |
| 20:39.48 | cogwheel | You...you're.... you..... ..... Can't.. form. word... |
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| 20:39.52 | cogwheel | see! it works! |
| 20:40.11 | Ackis | just call me a dummy ;) |
| 20:40.58 | cogwheel | hmm... i think that was an insult but i'm not sure :P |
| 20:41.16 | cogwheel | do listen to the song though. it's awesome |
| 20:41.21 | Ackis | if you call me a dummy it means you're dummer than me :P |
| 20:41.23 | Kraps | [AssCreedRev] "The release date is November 15th 2011, so itâll probably be out some time in March 2012." |
| 20:41.31 | Ackis | talking to mother in law so can't put headset on now :P |
| 20:41.36 | mckenziemc | dummer eh |
| 20:41.40 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 20:41.44 | Ackis | ;) |
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| 21:09.16 | kd3|netbook | ugh; taking 17 hours this semester. what the hell was I thinking? |
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| 21:13.00 | Lunessa | Masochism |
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| 21:14.02 | kd3|netbook | that and I want the get the hell out of school. even taking a few years off for other reasons I've been in college since 2003 |
| 21:14.10 | foxlit | kd3: "17 hours" |
| 21:14.25 | kd3|netbook | all but one of which are 4000-level CS classes |
| 21:14.39 | kd3|netbook | the other is intro to japanese because I need a foreign language credit |
| 21:14.44 | foxlit | 17 hours of what, exactly? |
| 21:15.48 | kd3|netbook | operating system internals, distributed systems design, advanced networking, etc... |
| 21:15.55 | Lunessa | Credit Hours. |
| 21:16.15 | foxlit | What's a credit hour, though? |
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| 21:16.40 | kd3|netbook | you get 2-4 credit hours per semester a class, depending on how much you meet every week |
| 21:16.51 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_credit |
| 21:17.10 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Credit_Transfer_and_Accumulation_System is the one I understand :P |
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| 21:19.22 | foxlit | still having trouble translating that to actual work load. Silly wikipedia article with all those numbers |
| 21:19.58 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Unit_and_Student_Hour << same thing? |
| 21:20.25 | kd3|netbook | that's for highschool. kinda. |
| 21:20.38 | foxlit | "used by American universities and colleges" |
| 21:20.38 | kd3|netbook | grades 9-12 |
| 21:20.43 | kd3|netbook | !? |
| 21:20.45 | kd3|netbook | looks again |
| 21:20.59 | foxlit | it contradicts itself within the lead-in |
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| 21:22.07 | foxlit | "As it is used today, a Student Hour is the equivalent of one hour (50 minutes) of lecture time for a single student per week over the course of a semester, usually 14 to 16 weeks." << aha. |
| 21:22.26 | kd3|netbook | I only ever heard about carnegie units in highschool. a 3-credit hour class (I need ~127 credit hours to get my CS degree) is a 75 minute class 2 days a week for... 14? 16? weeks plus the hours outside of class I spend studying |
| 21:23.41 | kd3|netbook | s/75 minute class/75 minute lecture/ |
| 21:23.59 | foxlit | when you say CS degree |
| 21:24.08 | kd3|netbook | a bachelor of science in computer science |
| 21:24.53 | foxlit | hm, so that's 180 ects |
| 21:29.14 | foxlit | so about a 1.41 factor... 23.97 credits |
| 21:29.35 | foxlit | hey, that seems sane. We do about 25 in 13 weeks. |
| 21:32.33 | foxlit | kd3: how much are you actually expected to take, per semester? |
| 21:33.04 | kd3|netbook | 15 on average. each "year" of school is 30 credit hours |
| 21:33.19 | Kraps | Jamash: http://tinyurl.com/3dkj7sj |
| 21:33.21 | foxlit | ~127 seems weird then :) |
| 21:33.21 | kd3|netbook | which isn't so bad when it's low level stuff |
| 21:34.25 | kd3|netbook | pulls up his course catalog... |
| 21:34.48 | foxlit | the topics sound fun, though |
| 21:36.52 | kd3|netbook | http://catalog.kennesaw.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=10&poid=627&returnto=444 |
| 21:36.57 | kd3|netbook | 123 hours, actually. close guess, though |
| 21:37.12 | Kraps | http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1007/gameindustry.jpg |
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| 21:37.37 | kd3|netbook | that's the CS-specific bit, there's another 44 hours not listed for general education requirements (lit, us government, world history, etc...) |
| 21:39.10 | foxlit | there are no course descriptions beyond those one-liners? |
| 21:39.59 | kd3|netbook | click on them |
| 21:40.00 | Lunessa | The hours/credits also assume a significant amount of time spent in study/assignments that isn't class time. |
| 21:40.04 | Sixen | You start class today too kd3? |
| 21:40.11 | kd3|netbook | yup |
| 21:40.17 | Sixen | You're a senior now right? |
| 21:40.23 | Lunessa | And 17 hours is a pretty heavy load. Especially if you work in addition. |
| 21:40.23 | foxlit | kd3: the contents of the yellow box are what I'm calling one-liners |
| 21:40.25 | Sixen | Or are you a graduate? |
| 21:40.28 | foxlit | though I clicked on Operating Systems. |
| 21:40.30 | kd3|netbook | I'm a senior |
| 21:40.37 | Sixen | Ah fasho. I'm a junior now. |
| 21:40.42 | foxlit | "An introduction to fundamental operating systems concepts. Topics include job scheduling, memory management, and process interactions. " |
| 21:40.45 | Sixen | Sitting in Data Structures & Algorithms, >.> |
| 21:41.40 | kd3|netbook | oh, huh. that's odd. |
| 21:41.46 | kd3|netbook | looks at his professor's page |
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| 21:41.54 | Sixen | wtf, you didn't have to take Calculus 3? |
| 21:41.59 | Sixen | Calc3 is required for me :( |
| 21:42.01 | foxlit | http://www.kurser.dtu.dk/02159.aspx?menulanguage=en-GB << our OS course description. |
| 21:42.18 | kd3|netbook | I took it at my previous university. I was kinda surprised to see it not required here |
| 21:42.29 | Sixen | I'm jelly! :( |
| 21:43.09 | Sixen | Alright, gotta run. Linear Algebra. |
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| 21:45.55 | kd3|netbook | most of our course descriptions are one or two sentences. that's kinda annoying. I thought they had more detail than that. |
| 21:46.19 | kd3|netbook | the syllabus looks a lot like your course description, but I can't link to it easily |
| 21:46.30 | kd3|netbook | grrs at WebCT |
| 21:47.12 | kd3|netbook | got a seat override into the class today and still doesn't have access to course content |
| 21:49.30 | kd3|netbook | are your courses taught in dutch? english? |
| 21:49.52 | foxlit | it's on there. The CS stuff is predominantly english |
| 21:51.11 | foxlit | the bachelor program is mixed language; the math/physics/chemistry/algorithms 1 required courses are in danish, the other CS stuff is in english. Masters is entirely in english. |
| 21:52.44 | kd3|netbook | wait, how'd I get dutch? .dk is denmark |
| 21:52.46 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
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| 21:54.05 | Lunessa | http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/35251.wss - interesting |
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| 21:59.22 | foxlit | âImagine traffic lights that can integrate sights, sounds and smells and flag unsafe intersections before disaster happens ..." |
| 21:59.44 | foxlit | I'm imagining traffic lights that go "Hm, that car stinks, better switch to red" |
| 22:02.08 | cogwheel | wow... when did bnet forums start censoring STFU? |
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| 22:13.04 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/490054/1/Cogwheel/ |
| 22:13.12 | foxlit | A wild cogwheel appears. |
| 22:14.30 | cogwheel | MRGGRLLRGRLRGRGLRLLLRRRRRR |
| 22:14.57 | cogwheel | i suppose i should play moar but Lunessa is a harsh master! |
| 22:15.09 | Lunessa | *whipcrack* |
| 22:15.48 | cogwheel | is there any reason to do the molten front once you've finished all the quest lines besides rep? |
| 22:16.00 | Lunessa | Money? |
| 22:16.04 | cogwheel | true |
| 22:16.17 | Stanzilla | there is a pet in those bags you can buy |
| 22:16.19 | Lunessa | The caches are full of greens. |
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| 22:16.21 | Stanzilla | if you care about pets |
| 22:16.32 | cogwheel | pets > greens |
| 22:16.37 | cogwheel | works for me! |
| 22:16.38 | Stanzilla | it's only one |
| 22:16.46 | Xyphoid | capital city rep *snicker* |
| 22:16.49 | Stanzilla | and it's the one you got in the old summer festival stuff |
| 22:17.07 | cogwheel | oh heh |
| 22:17.28 | cogwheel | Xyphoid: cheap repairs and offrace mounts ftw :P |
| 22:17.28 | Lunessa | I have a lot of pets on my main - but I managed to miss this years midsummer pet. :/ |
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| 22:43.12 | foxlit | qq, uiconfpanel |
| 22:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | Lunessa: did midsummer have a different pet this year? |
| 22:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | last year was the ice chip or whatever |
| 22:47.28 | Lunessa | it had a small frost elemental |
| 22:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | ah, so same as last year |
| 22:47.47 | Lunessa | I have the fireling |
| 22:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | rock elemental model with a frosty texture, right |
| 22:48.36 | Dagmar | UNfortunately does not fit inside a beer stein. |
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| 22:59.54 | Lunessa | OK, I'm out. |
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| 23:13.06 | zenzelezz | http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/5129/is-predators-gui-java-based o_O |
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