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| 00:18.43 | Arrowmaster | yay got my curse payment |
| 00:19.05 | Arrowmaster | now i have to spend 8 months transfering it to my bank account because of stupid paypal |
| 00:23.27 | Gnarfoz | that much? |
| 00:23.34 | Gnarfoz | or did you just not verify your pp account ^^ |
| 00:23.57 | Arrowmaster | its verified by i have to do something else to get past the $500 a month limit |
| 00:24.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah i can either give paypal my social security number or link a credit card |
| 00:25.31 | TMc51 | isnt the point to using paypal NOT to have to give those out? |
| 00:25.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 00:28.36 | Gnarfoz | says who? |
| 00:28.54 | Gnarfoz | and: my initial alternative was actually the problem: "that much?" |
| 00:29.30 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't you americans have like 5 credit cards to choose from to link there? ^^ |
| 00:30.07 | Arrowmaster | i only have one credit card and one debit crd |
| 00:30.16 | TMc51 | Nope, only the retarded ones have that many. |
| 00:31.30 | TMc51 | Very, very rarely is there reason to have more than 1 credit card. Hell, I only have a debit card, and yet still use cash 90% of the time. |
| 00:32.14 | Arrowmaster | i never use cash |
| 00:33.07 | Xyphoid | what blew my mind in the US was having to pay $1.07 for things |
| 00:34.41 | TMc51 | Good thing about change: assuming you don't suck, you can grab a "free" item out of the crane machine on the way out of the grocery market. |
| 00:36.01 | Gnarfoz | oO crane machine? xD |
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| 00:36.38 | Gnarfoz | is your grocery store at an amusement park? |
| 00:39.31 | TMc51 | Gnarfox: Nah, there's a bunch of candy machines by the exit, as well as a crane game and a small arcade cabnet. Lots of parents tend to bring their bratty kids shopping and most stores like to profit on it as much as possible. |
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| 00:59.07 | Wobin | 'Skill Tester' |
| 00:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 00:59.21 | Mr_Rabies | i never carry cash |
| 00:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | if i get mugged the guy's either gonna have sympathy for me or shoot me |
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| 02:37.54 | airtonix | i am <brand name>ing this to my <brand namer>er so i can <brand name> it at <brand name> day |
| 02:44.49 | mckenziemc | brands airtonix |
| 02:49.32 | Arrowmaster | kd3: add REDLINE to your queue |
| 02:54.33 | airtonix | yes |
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| 03:10.08 | Galvin | does an animationgroup use less cpu than using onupdate for timing? |
| 03:11.22 | airtonix | what does less cpu mean |
| 03:12.00 | Galvin | cpu usage |
| 03:12.12 | Cide | Galvin: are you having performance issues_ |
| 03:12.13 | Cide | ? |
| 03:12.15 | Galvin | like addon profiler to measure it |
| 03:12.31 | Galvin | I'm not but if one is better than the other I rather use it. |
| 03:12.54 | Cide | use whichever is easier. |
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| 03:13.07 | Iriel | Galvin: assuming you're only firing events every X frames for some value of X sufficiently above 1, yes |
| 03:13.08 | Galvin | Dont care about easy care about which is better :) |
| 03:13.15 | Cide | "We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil" - Knuth |
| 03:13.26 | Iriel | Like, "every 10 seconds" |
| 03:13.39 | airtonix | i like ten seconds |
| 03:13.46 | Galvin | yeah my addon uses two timers, one for cooldown bars and the other to update frames X times per second. |
| 03:13.55 | Galvin | and a 3rd for text |
| 03:14.03 | Galvin | its much faster than that |
| 03:15.15 | Galvin | actually I reduced cpu but using instanced functions on onupdate, instead of using index arrays and tables to keep track of counters, but was a pain to code, but worth it. so if animation groups can reduce the cpu some more it wouldn't hurt. |
| 03:16.07 | Iriel | Galvin: animation groups avoid the cost of the "unnecessary" handler invocations, at the potential expense of the calls to configure them |
| 03:16.16 | Cide | jesus |
| 03:16.26 | Iriel | if the timescales you're working with are small enough you're not sure which to use, i'd say go with cide's advice |
| 03:16.27 | Cide | I want to stab whoever came up with the performance hysteria |
| 03:16.43 | Iriel | his pre-stabbing advice, anyway |
| 03:16.45 | Thunder_Child | Cide: the people selling the software |
| 03:16.48 | Wobin | hahah |
| 03:16.55 | Wobin | +1 Iriel |
| 03:17.11 | Cide | not post-stabbing? :( |
| 03:17.19 | Thunder_Child | bad Wobin. Stabbing is good advice. |
| 03:17.37 | Cide | I don't consider the stabbing to be advice though |
| 03:17.42 | Cide | just a personal wish |
| 03:17.48 | Galvin | Well each time my mod needs a new timer it just spawns an onupdate with an instaced function (function defined in a function) and keeps a reference to it to reuse later. |
| 03:18.21 | Galvin | What is considered too much cpu usage, I always hear people talk about it, but never narrowed down a number :) |
| 03:18.22 | airtonix | omg dues ex, do want |
| 03:18.35 | Cide | when your fps drops visibly, Galvin |
| 03:19.04 | Galvin | mine never spikes past 0.70 or so on addon profiler |
| 03:19.10 | Cide | nobody cares |
| 03:19.35 | Thunder_Child | that Sir, is a lie |
| 03:19.38 | Cide | if you have several timers on the screen you may want to combine them into a single onupdate handler as opposed to one per timer |
| 03:19.41 | Galvin | seems some people do, when I had someone check my addon out cpu usage was the first thing they told me about. |
| 03:19.42 | Wobin | what does your mod do, Galvin? |
| 03:19.57 | kd3 | don't go crazy trying to optimize the hell out of your code. as long as you're not doing crazy things every onUpdate... |
| 03:19.59 | Galvin | it's galvin's unitbars, its on curse. been doing major work on it. |
| 03:20.32 | Wobin | generally, try to rely more on events, less on polling |
| 03:20.39 | Galvin | 12 times per second it does a refresh of all the bars, the ones that are turned on. |
| 03:21.09 | Cide | how long are the cooldowns you are dealing with |
| 03:21.12 | Cide | 3 minutes? |
| 03:21.50 | Galvin | it dont track cooldowns, just resources, like rage, mana, energy, health. the runebar is event driven, if it gets called to update it just doesn't do anything and returns, unless it gets an event. |
| 03:22.05 | Cide | all of those have events |
| 03:22.14 | Galvin | yeah but they dont update fast enough |
| 03:22.30 | Cide | they update when the functions have new values to return? |
| 03:22.39 | Wobin | is updating, say six times a second visibly different than 12? |
| 03:22.43 | Galvin | the events don't update as fast as the regen happens. |
| 03:22.52 | Cide | certainly they do |
| 03:22.57 | Cide | if you use _FREQUENT |
| 03:23.12 | Galvin | same thing blizzard does, they use an onupdate so your health,mana etc update smoothly. |
| 03:23.21 | Cide | shrug, do whatever you want |
| 03:23.58 | Galvin | personally I dont consider 12x per second a lot, but it is doing around 10 function calls to the bars each time. |
| 03:24.30 | Cide | honestly who cares |
| 03:24.35 | Cide | it's not going to be a performance issue |
| 03:25.03 | Cide | it will look fine and run fine on every computer capable of running wow on the lowest of settings |
| 03:25.31 | airtonix | on the ones that don't, you'll just have to deal with losing sleep over it |
| 03:25.39 | airtonix | like the rest of us |
| 03:25.42 | Galvin | yeah that I wasn't sure of if it would work well on a slow machine, some people never upgrade. |
| 03:25.53 | airtonix | not your problem |
| 03:27.51 | Galvin | ok thanks guess i'll stick to onupdate then, and get back to working on the real stuff. |
| 03:30.20 | Galvin | oh Cide what did you mean by _FREQUENT? |
| 03:30.43 | Cide | UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT |
| 03:31.09 | Galvin | damn I never heard of that event |
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| 03:32.19 | Thunder_Child | i realise coders dont like to comment code, but this needing that much cleanup is just sad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_(computer_programming) |
| 03:32.39 | Thunder_Child | s/coders/programmers/ |
| 03:33.07 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: not quite following your point? |
| 03:33.34 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: i have a point? |
| 03:34.38 | Cide | point taken |
| 03:35.05 | Galvin | Are there any countries still using wow 3.x ? |
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| 04:04.34 | Thunder_Child | when i get emails from you kd3, i expect substance! |
| 04:04.53 | kd3 | sorry, sorry. that's why this is the only one of those I'm sending for 4.2.2 on the ptr |
| 04:05.41 | Thunder_Child | next time you had better entertain me, i want dancing! |
| 04:07.48 | Thunder_Child | just messing with you kd3, info is always appreciated. |
| 04:07.58 | kd3 | no worries |
| 04:09.26 | Xinhuan | there's a 4.2.2? |
| 04:09.29 | Xinhuan | any UI changes? |
| 04:09.43 | kd3 | just a few; check your inbox for my previous email |
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| 04:33.10 | Ketho | is there any way to make your own "diffs" for multiple files? Tekkub's git framexml repo only has the updated patch notes :/ |
| 04:33.11 | Ketho | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/commit/95c5cf8133877997e8a490d53c92a54e17328fe0 |
| 04:33.42 | tekkub | there have been no lua changes yet |
| 04:33.52 | Ketho | oh |
| 04:34.15 | tekkub | speaking of I need to grab the latest, though kd3's email says no changes here either |
| 04:36.45 | kd3 | there was a diff from 14480 (live) to 14492 (first ptr build). no change between that build and tonight's (14505) |
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| 04:39.14 | Ketho | I'd really like to see the diffs from 14480 to 14492 then =) |
| 04:39.49 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.25 | tekkub | uhm maybe I missed something on live then |
| 04:40.40 | tekkub | why does gitx hate my repo |
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| 04:41.04 | tekkub | yup I have live at 14333 |
| 04:47.02 | Wobin | I don't get today's xkcd |
| 04:48.51 | Xyphoid | he's calling back to http://xkcd.com/445 |
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| 05:08.10 | Wobin | Xyphoid: wow, talk about needing to know every strip to get the reference =P |
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| 05:19.34 | ccox | @%@#%@#$ bear tank had less HP than the healer, at the same level |
| 05:21.36 | kd3 | holy hell what a brick joke |
| 05:24.42 | kd3 | and true to form, tvtropes has already added it... |
| 05:29.06 | Wobin | kd3: ? |
| 05:29.13 | kd3 | today's xkcd |
| 05:29.20 | kd3 | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrickJoke |
| 05:29.22 | mckenziemc | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrickJoke |
| 05:29.25 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 06:40.04 | kd3 | ha; the gif of shame: http://i.imgur.com/sjuM5.gif |
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| 06:53.41 | Thunder_Child | kd3: that would have been even better if they had put that into microsoft synth |
| 06:54.00 | Thunder_Child | photosynth* |
| 07:02.25 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 07:04.05 | Fisker | bahey Blu|shower |
| 07:04.11 | Fisker | joins Blu|shower in the shower |
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| 07:11.21 | Blu|shower | lolz |
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| 07:29.20 | Cairenn | Night all |
| 07:33.04 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn |
| 07:41.58 | Ackis | anyone know a website that lets me compare a 2h with a 1h/oh (caster stuff)? |
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| 07:47.20 | mitch0 | 1h/oh always wins |
| 07:47.40 | mitch0 | except for druids, 'cos they look better with a staff |
| 07:48.45 | Ackis | I prefer staves |
| 07:48.56 | Ackis | what logic dictates that 1h/oh always wins? |
| 07:49.07 | mitch0 | fuzzy logic |
| 07:49.16 | Ackis | (aside from this case where the 1h == rag loot which is higher ilvl) |
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| 08:16.46 | nevcairiel | 1h/oh usually gives you more green stats, while a staff gives you more white stats |
| 08:17.03 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt say there is a general rule that one is always better |
| 08:21.44 | Ackis | http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=71615.0.4097:71448.0.4091;71774.0.4097.0.52207;71355.0.4097:71022.0.4091;71775.0.4097.0.52207;71086.0.4097.0.52207.52207.52207&weights=Priest%20-%20Holy%20(Healing);Priest%20-%20Discipline%20(Healing);23:24:123:103:170:96;23:24:123:170:103:96;100:80:75:75:70:50;100:80:75:60:50:40 |
| 08:21.51 | Ackis | long URL is long |
| 08:22.10 | Ackis | but it did the "job" for me... except I can't reforge dragonwrath |
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| 09:11.20 | Fisker | looks like we'll have to sue nevcairiel |
| 09:13.28 | bluspacecow | oks! |
| 09:13.41 | bluspacecow | *turns nevcairiel into a small blonde haired girl called sue* |
| 09:13.43 | bluspacecow | there! |
| 09:14.27 | karl_w_w | sue barker? |
| 09:15.01 | Fisker | sue Eidos |
| 09:15.10 | Fisker | they're pulling a regional lock stunt on Deus EX: HR |
| 09:15.20 | Fisker | so people who bought it from the UK won't be able to activate their copies |
| 09:15.42 | Fisker | which is probably illegal due to the shit EU passed on free trade within the EU |
| 09:16.41 | mckenziemc1 | hands Ackis a pencil, paper, and calculator |
| 09:17.05 | bluspacecow | *and a small white apron* |
| 09:17.57 | mckenziemc1 | don't make me get out the flamethrower... |
| 09:25.15 | mitch0 | fisker: the g400 is cheaper than the mx518. explain |
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| 09:27.51 | harl | [wuff!] |
| 09:28.11 | karl_w_w | aroo |
| 09:32.34 | Fisker | supply and demand mitch0 |
| 09:37.04 | karl_w_w | nice, if an addon finishes downloading while you're dragging a tab firefox crashes |
| 09:37.31 | karl_w_w | ah no it doesnt, it just stops responding to the mouse |
| 09:49.24 | airtonix | karl_w_w: don't get upset |
| 09:58.43 | karl_w_w | thanks airtonix, I can always rely on your calming influence |
| 10:00.43 | airtonix | i try |
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| 10:14.25 | karl_w_w | oh facepalm |
| 10:17.00 | karl_w_w | curse client doesnt backup addons as they are, they just backup what version you have so if you've modified one it wont remember |
| 10:17.27 | nevcairiel | obviously it doesnt upload your local modifications somewhere for storage |
| 10:17.44 | nevcairiel | people modifying addons is really an edge case. :p |
| 10:22.12 | karl_w_w | well "addonsync" implies that they'll be the same in all locations |
| 10:25.02 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: that sucks |
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| 10:25.26 | jnwhiteh | so I think I like HoN more than dota2 |
| 10:25.32 | jnwhiteh | but I suppose I must try it first |
| 10:25.45 | jnwhiteh | its just.. the same game.. just with a new graphics engine |
| 10:25.59 | jnwhiteh | I was expecting more after such a long development time |
| 10:30.26 | Fisker | HoN sucks |
| 10:30.41 | karl_w_w | ty Fisker |
| 10:31.01 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 10:31.11 | jnwhiteh | because you're bad at it? |
| 10:31.21 | Fisker | no |
| 10:31.26 | karl_w_w | because you can't improve on dota |
| 10:31.29 | Fisker | because it's a shit game built around a shit community |
| 10:31.34 | jnwhiteh | well, its not a shit game |
| 10:31.37 | jnwhiteh | but the community IS shit |
| 10:31.39 | jnwhiteh | I'll give you that =) |
| 10:32.25 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: then lol/hon/dota2 all suck |
| 10:32.26 | Fisker | yeah and as long Valve can manage strengthening the community it'll beat any of the "DotA" clones |
| 10:32.29 | jnwhiteh | I'm happy with that |
| 10:32.44 | jnwhiteh | well, you do realise that dota is a dota clone.. right? |
| 10:32.47 | jnwhiteh | err dota2 |
| 10:32.52 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 10:32.55 | jnwhiteh | they just got the primary author, and thus the name |
| 10:33.09 | jnwhiteh | LoL is windows only, or it might do better |
| 10:33.14 | jnwhiteh | dota2 at least will have a mac client |
| 10:33.17 | karl_w_w | actually they called it Dota 2 instead of DotA 2 to avoid name issues |
| 10:33.38 | jnwhiteh | but watching these games |
| 10:34.03 | jnwhiteh | yeah, it looks like LoL art, with a better engine, and the exact same mechanics as dota |
| 10:34.18 | jnwhiteh | I'll buy it, almost certainly |
| 10:34.30 | jnwhiteh | but when diablo3 comes out =) |
| 10:34.53 | karl_w_w | the exact same mechanics as dota <- to me that's the good part :P |
| 10:35.05 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: its not just the mechanics |
| 10:35.07 | jnwhiteh | its the entire game |
| 10:35.09 | jnwhiteh | which worries me |
| 10:35.17 | jnwhiteh | DoTA has been finely polished for years |
| 10:35.26 | jnwhiteh | you lose all of that when you reinvent the entire thing |
| 10:35.29 | Fisker | i know it's a dota clone |
| 10:35.33 | jnwhiteh | next match starting: http://dota2.com/tournaments/international/?q=hd&c=English |
| 10:35.35 | karl_w_w | except there were certain limitations in the war3 engine which I imagine are gone now |
| 10:35.40 | Fisker | i was under the impression that HoN, LoL, etc. all tried something new |
| 10:35.45 | jnwhiteh | yes, that is the good thing |
| 10:35.47 | jnwhiteh | oh, no Fisker |
| 10:35.47 | Fisker | like HoN has their shitty new F2P model |
| 10:35.49 | jnwhiteh | they're all the same |
| 10:35.53 | jnwhiteh | why is it shitty? |
| 10:35.54 | Fisker | LoL has a similar thing |
| 10:35.56 | Fisker | etc. |
| 10:35.59 | jnwhiteh | LoL started free to play |
| 10:36.01 | jnwhiteh | its never charged |
| 10:36.08 | jnwhiteh | HoN had paid accounts for a year and a half |
| 10:36.16 | jnwhiteh | and those accounts have a major advantage over the f2p ones now |
| 10:36.25 | Fisker | exactly |
| 10:36.25 | jnwhiteh | I have both a legacy account and a f2p |
| 10:36.30 | jnwhiteh | exactly what, though? |
| 10:36.34 | Fisker | don't sell power jnwhiteh |
| 10:36.35 | jnwhiteh | what are you saying? |
| 10:36.46 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 10:36.49 | Fisker | rule nr. 1 of making it F2P and not Pay2Win |
| 10:36.54 | jnwhiteh | its not pay2win |
| 10:37.03 | jnwhiteh | you just have access to the entire hero pool |
| 10:37.18 | jnwhiteh | whereas with f2p you need to buy those heroes with the currency you get from playing games |
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| 10:37.27 | jnwhiteh | you *can* pay $$ to get heroes, but most people don't do that |
| 10:37.28 | nevcairiel | and are some heros better then others? |
| 10:37.33 | jnwhiteh | I've bought four heroes on my f2p |
| 10:37.36 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: not really |
| 10:37.44 | jnwhiteh | team comp is much more important than individual heroes |
| 10:37.55 | Fisker | paid customers also get access to heroes not accessible to the F2P crowd as i understood it |
| 10:37.57 | jnwhiteh | thats the best and worst part of all dota-based games |
| 10:38.12 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: only in early access |
| 10:38.21 | jnwhiteh | they enter the f2p pool quite soon afterwards |
| 10:38.36 | jnwhiteh | LoL has had this model from the get-go :p |
| 10:38.45 | jnwhiteh | also, LoL.. seriously. .who thought that was a good name. |
| 10:39.33 | mitch0 | erm, why does that dota2 site keep changing the language? |
| 10:39.33 | jnwhiteh | http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/player_stats.php?aid=4168967 my f2p account |
| 10:39.38 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: NO clue. |
| 10:39.40 | jnwhiteh | I keep getting russian |
| 10:40.03 | mitch0 | I had .fr, .de, .en, and now some chinese... |
| 10:40.07 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 10:40.13 | mitch0 | also .ru |
| 10:40.18 | jnwhiteh | I've had no allihilations =( |
| 10:40.23 | jnwhiteh | I've been close on a few games |
| 10:40.43 | mitch0 | is it possible to watch previous games? |
| 10:40.53 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: i think its only live stream right now |
| 10:41.23 | jnwhiteh | I actually like the f2p accounts now |
| 10:41.32 | jnwhiteh | the limited hero pool is SO Much easier for people to learn about the heroes |
| 10:41.48 | jnwhiteh | there's something like 80 heroes in the full pool, and that's just too many for a starting player to be able to cope with |
| 10:42.05 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: you don't have a game up though, just the splash? |
| 10:42.18 | mitch0 | no game |
| 10:42.53 | mitch0 | ah, now something changed |
| 10:43.11 | mitch0 | server not found |
| 10:43.38 | mitch0 | could be our proxy eating the thing :( |
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| 10:47.04 | airtonix | wassup homie |
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| 10:59.28 | airtonix | hoho fisker sighting : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffTZ-Qc-JU |
| 10:59.58 | airtonix | why doesn't someone tell him to shutup |
| 11:03.20 | jnwhiteh | game started |
| 11:22.07 | Fisker | it really is kinda not so good with all the technical issues :( |
| 11:22.18 | Fisker | though of course maybe someone is haking their server |
| 11:29.38 | Fisker | troll airtonix |
| 11:30.24 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2nn1X9Xlps |
| 11:30.28 | airtonix | skynet |
| 11:34.03 | airtonix | i had a sales guy try to tell me that google doesn't remember your search pattern when you use an iphone or android |
| 11:34.23 | airtonix | because he knows how googles works |
| 11:35.43 | Fisker | i came airtonix ? |
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| 11:57.57 | airtonix | Fisker: entertrain me |
| 11:58.06 | Fisker | no |
| 11:58.10 | Fisker | hey [Wobin] |
| 11:58.15 | airtonix | why nrot? |
| 11:58.18 | [Wobin] | hey Fisker |
| 11:58.29 | Fisker | wanna not so hey airtonix? |
| 11:58.44 | airtonix | something something something ? |
| 12:04.31 | karl_w_w | so much for curse client restoring addon settings |
| 12:19.31 | jnwhiteh | next dota2 match is up |
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| 12:28.11 | Fisker | ELL |
| 12:28.12 | Fisker | OH |
| 12:28.12 | Fisker | ELL |
| 12:28.13 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 12:28.43 | Fisker | they're reasoning their region lock on Deus Ex with that they couldn't fit all languages on their DVD |
| 12:28.48 | Fisker | Because obviously |
| 12:29.21 | Fisker | If a customer went out of his way to IMPORT THE GAME FROM ENGLAND, then of course he doesn't understand english, and can't be bothered spending the additional download to get the proper language pack from steam |
| 12:29.22 | Fisker | hurr durr |
| 12:29.32 | Fisker | the customer would MUCH rather just get the game and then it just doesn't work |
| 12:29.45 | Fisker | than having to download like a few GB of extra data |
| 12:29.55 | Fisker | (Which isn't nessecary if the person understands english) |
| 12:30.20 | Fisker | (Which given the fact he's importing it from England, probably means that he does to some extent, or atleast can play the game without understanding them) |
| 12:33.18 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 12:33.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't happen to know the name of the spectator right? |
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| 12:39.35 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 12:39.39 | Fisker | i'm going afk for a bit |
| 12:39.46 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 12:39.54 | Fisker | so if you would please write down the tournament spectator dude's name i would appreciate it :O |
| 12:40.13 | Fisker | look at the chat box when the game ends |
| 12:40.19 | Fisker | it was some guy named something with "tournament" |
| 12:40.33 | Fisker | it'll say he left the game if they don't stop the stream before that :P |
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| 13:13.31 | Fisker | did you get it jnwhiteh ? |
| 13:13.52 | karl_w_w | i saw |
| 13:13.59 | karl_w_w | it said Fiskersmum |
| 13:14.23 | jnwhiteh | no |
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| 13:17.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:17.22 | Fisker | btw mind = blown jnwhiteh |
| 13:17.26 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 13:17.35 | Fisker | the username/password combination you have to enter when you get 5 incorrect screen lock patterns |
| 13:17.42 | Fisker | what if you got an authenticator attached? |
| 13:17.47 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
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| 13:18.14 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: then you have an application specific password as well |
| 13:18.21 | jnwhiteh | you don't get asked for authenticator when you're not on the web |
| 13:18.33 | jnwhiteh | so you'd need to use a one-time-pad or have the password stored |
| 13:18.36 | jnwhiteh | or create a new one |
| 13:18.49 | jnwhiteh | mind = unblown |
| 13:18.51 | karl_w_w | dun dun dun |
| 13:20.13 | Fisker | but jnwhiteh |
| 13:20.32 | Fisker | you could be locked out of your control panel |
| 13:20.44 | Fisker | That was kind of what i was thinking |
| 13:21.06 | jnwhiteh | then you have your backups |
| 13:21.12 | jnwhiteh | there's a reason they force you to choose a backup method |
| 13:21.25 | jnwhiteh | if you choose sms and didn't save your one-time-pads, you are dumb |
| 13:21.34 | Fisker | i had sex with your mother jnwhiteh |
| 13:21.37 | Fisker | anyway |
| 13:21.40 | Fisker | that wasn't what i meant |
| 13:21.55 | Fisker | i just wonder if they want the real password or the "legacy" token-less password |
| 13:22.28 | jnwhiteh | you cannot sign into your android device using your normal password |
| 13:22.33 | jnwhiteh | it will not accept it |
| 13:22.38 | jnwhiteh | if you have app specific passwords enabled |
| 13:22.45 | jnwhiteh | which you do, if you have an authentithicator |
| 13:22.52 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 13:22.59 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:25.10 | Fisker | sweet |
| 13:25.12 | Fisker | they're about to lose |
| 13:25.19 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:25.25 | jnwhiteh | they let anti-mage farm up |
| 13:25.31 | jnwhiteh | he probably should be banned in most of these gaems |
| 13:26.10 | karl_w_w | am is quite weak |
| 13:26.14 | Fisker | did the anti-mage just kill his own creep? |
| 13:26.21 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:26.24 | Fisker | he's on radiance |
| 13:26.26 | karl_w_w | he has like the lowest strength |
| 13:26.27 | Fisker | i thought he was a dire hero |
| 13:26.33 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: regardless, denies are acceptable |
| 13:26.54 | Fisker | well in this case there was noone there :P |
| 13:26.59 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: weak, yes, but once farmed (with a heart) easy |
| 13:27.05 | Fisker | also i really wish they soften up the denial mechanic |
| 13:27.12 | karl_w_w | there are better carries :P |
| 13:27.15 | jnwhiteh | his mana drain is just painful against a heavy int/agi team, which is what support always is |
| 13:27.19 | Fisker | make it powerful for progamers and less of a downside if you're kinda new to it |
| 13:27.25 | jnwhiteh | oh certainly |
| 13:27.44 | jnwhiteh | two games in a row he's been the carry and destroyed |
| 13:28.27 | Fisker | i wonder what happens to the old dota after dota 2 gets released |
| 13:28.45 | nevcairiel | people still play sc1, so there you go |
| 13:28.56 | karl_w_w | given how similar the 2 are i cant imagine active development of old dota |
| 13:29.16 | jnwhiteh | well the main dev of dota hasn't been on it for 2 years |
| 13:29.21 | jnwhiteh | and its still being updated =) |
| 13:29.27 | jnwhiteh | so I dunno |
| 13:29.28 | karl_w_w | eh? |
| 13:30.26 | karl_w_w | yes he has |
| 13:30.33 | jnwhiteh | I don't think IceFrog has been the primary maintainer of dota, has he? |
| 13:30.34 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:30.37 | jnwhiteh | so says wikipedia |
| 13:30.40 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 13:30.40 | jnwhiteh | then who knows, honestly =) |
| 13:31.43 | jnwhiteh | They should have called it Defense of the Steam. |
| 13:33.10 | Fisker | I was kinda hoping that when DotA2 gets released the old gets "abandoned" (by IceFrog, not nessecarily the community) and they take DotA 2 in their own direction |
| 13:33.23 | Fisker | would love if they like added things from valve games to dota |
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| 13:33.36 | jnwhiteh | hrm, I can't find the dota beta signup |
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| 13:33.57 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: so you want hats in dota2? |
| 13:34.11 | jnwhiteh | definitely hats. |
| 13:34.11 | Fisker | i think it disappeared when the stream went live jnwhiteh |
| 13:34.16 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: bah |
| 13:34.24 | jnwhiteh | did you sign me up? |
| 13:34.27 | Fisker | naw Arrowmaster |
| 13:34.33 | Fisker | i can't jnwhiteh |
| 13:34.42 | Fisker | but give me your username and password and i'll do it the next time i see it |
| 13:35.23 | Fisker | anyway Arrowmaster i was thinking about designing heroes around special infected in L4D2 or even around some Team Fortress characters |
| 13:35.27 | Fisker | would be kinda funny i think |
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| 13:54.21 | zenzelezz | http://satwcomic.com/tiny-giant-monsters |
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| 14:00.11 | Fisker | don't you think Arrowmaster ? |
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| 14:02.25 | Lunessa | station |
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| 14:09.35 | Rock26M | hey people!!! |
| 14:09.45 | alestane | ~hello |
| 14:09.45 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 14:10.01 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:10.10 | nevcairiel | hey purl is back |
| 14:10.13 | Rock26M | hey ale how u doing |
| 14:10.19 | jnwhiteh | Remember that scene in Game of Thrones where Tyrion chose a trial by battle in the Aerie? Well, letâs do that instead! I challenge Bethesda to a game of Quake 3. Three of our best warriors against three of your best warriors. We select one level, your select the other, we randomize the order. 20 minute matches, highest total frag count per team across both levels wins. - notch |
| 14:11.21 | Rock26M | any nice girl? |
| 14:11.59 | Rock26M | i guess not |
| 14:12.09 | Kalroth | ask Fisker, she's kinda cute |
| 14:12.17 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Rock26M!~jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (31/male/Oxford UK. Now leave.) |
| 14:13.17 | alestane | That was...different. |
| 14:13.33 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 14:14.44 | alestane | Why do I have the feeling that they didn't know nor care what the channel is about |
| 14:14.47 | alestane | ? |
| 14:14.53 | jnwhiteh | because you are smrt :P |
| 14:15.58 | nevcairiel | we had someone in here just a short while ago, maybe 2 days |
| 14:16.02 | nevcairiel | also using chatmosphere |
| 14:16.05 | nevcairiel | same behaviour. :p |
| 14:17.51 | jnwhiteh | drow and windrunner. |
| 14:17.52 | jnwhiteh | awesome. |
| 14:18.09 | Lunessa | this is ... hilarious - http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/16/idUS229371+16-Aug-2011+HUG20110816 |
| 14:18.15 | alestane | Pwhawhothehuh? |
| 14:18.29 | jnwhiteh | this is going to be a good match |
| 14:19.29 | alestane | LoL or something? |
| 14:19.34 | jnwhiteh | Dota2 tournament |
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| 14:21.31 | Fisker | i know where you live jnwhiteh |
| 14:22.57 | Fisker | wow Lunessa |
| 14:23.00 | Fisker | do want free money |
| 14:23.04 | jnwhiteh | given that I've sent things to you with return addresses, that's not difficult. |
| 14:23.19 | jnwhiteh | although to be fair, you know my mailing address and the city I live in |
| 14:23.24 | jnwhiteh | not the address where I live |
| 14:23.32 | Lunessa | If A&F made clothes for guys my size, I'd wear them and be douchey on TV until they paid me off too. |
| 14:23.33 | Fisker | i know your face |
| 14:24.52 | alestane | I'm still trying to figure out if that's a real press release. |
| 14:25.15 | Fisker | what is jersey shore anyway? |
| 14:25.26 | Fisker | people on the beach acting stupid? |
| 14:26.01 | Lunessa | alestane: It's the sort of marketing ploy some brands would use to generate "buzz" - it's also the sort of thing someone would dream up as a gag. So, either way, I get to be entertained. |
| 14:26.51 | Lunessa | Fisker: I've never seen the show, but apparently it's a bunch of 20-somethings being drunk, rude, and strange on TV as a "reality" show. |
| 14:27.21 | Fisker | so those shows still exist? |
| 14:27.52 | Lunessa | They multiply, like roaches. |
| 14:28.47 | Fisker | just figured people would've grown tired of those by now |
| 14:29.14 | Lunessa | That's the first thing you've said all day that makes me think you might actually be human under all that trolling. |
| 14:29.20 | Fisker | but hey we're still running our clone of that survivor show |
| 14:30.03 | foxlit | http://store.steampowered.com/app/107100 << go, now. |
| 14:30.51 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg |
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| 14:40.23 | Cide | foxlit: is it good? |
| 14:40.37 | foxlit | It's quite fun |
| 14:41.21 | foxlit | A bit on the short side, but the price reflects that, I think. |
| 14:41.34 | alestane | I saw that demo'd at PAX East. |
| 14:41.47 | alestane | Couldn't decide if the narrator was cool or annoying. |
| 14:41.53 | alestane | Or "Yes." |
| 14:41.58 | foxlit | Highest resolution is like 1900x1200, though |
| 14:43.11 | foxlit | The narrator didn't annoy me, at least |
| 14:44.46 | sylvanaar_work | anyone have any intel? is Star Wars: The Old Republic going to be any good? |
| 14:45.19 | nevcairiel | I have a intel cpu, but i think thats not going to help here. :) |
| 14:48.53 | [Wobin] | foxlit: short? |
| 14:49.00 | sylvanaar_work | im trying to decide: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Republic-Collectors-Bundle-Pc/dp/B005B8DRVU |
| 14:49.35 | foxlit | Steam says 9 hours played |
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| 15:08.41 | Kraps_w | so the question on npr is "why hasn't there been widespread social unrest in the US?" |
| 15:09.52 | Kraps_w | all the cool countries are doing it! |
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| 15:14.07 | Fisker | foxlit__ for free |
| 15:14.11 | Lunessa | Kraps_w: that's a question which is designed to prime a particular set of answers, not a legitimate question. |
| 15:14.50 | foxlit__ | hm? |
| 15:16.09 | foxlit__ | Curse you, 3G |
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| 15:52.03 | nevcairiel | someone fix damn google code project hosting already |
| 15:52.09 | nevcairiel | its been down half the day already! |
| 15:52.51 | Fisker | umad nevcairiel |
| 15:53.13 | Stanzilla | imad Fisker |
| 15:54.34 | Kraps_w | there was a mad guy named Stan, Eminem made a song about him |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | i heard about that |
| 16:04.12 | Lunessa | A song that Elton John played piano on. |
| 16:05.26 | Kraps_w | he did? |
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| 16:07.20 | Kraps_w | was it during the "i have friends who are gay!" concert? |
| 16:08.59 | [Wobin] | isn't that all his concerts? |
| 16:10.10 | Kraps_w | [Wobin]: Eminem does? |
| 16:10.27 | [Wobin] | well, maybe he does too |
| 16:12.10 | Kraps_w | naw, he made a concert with Elton John once so it would be _impossible_ to say that he was an extreme homophobe |
| 16:14.27 | [Wobin] | hm, the asscreedrev gameplay trailer looks good |
| 16:17.58 | Lunessa | It was an awards show on MTV |
| 16:23.31 | Kraps_w | [Wobin]: the one with the exploding boats? |
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| 16:24.33 | [Wobin] | hm, I wonder if misdirect will need to be run on cooldown anymore |
| 16:24.47 | [Wobin] | or kept for emergency accidental patrol pulls |
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| 16:30.23 | Phelps | Is there a way to hook into the player right clicking on a unit ? |
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| 16:31.49 | foxlit | yes. |
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| 16:34.01 | cogwheel | ([](){})() is now legal C++ |
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| 16:35.33 | foxlit | well, at least it's balanced. |
| 16:38.23 | Cide | calling a no-op lambda that captures no variables and has no parameters? :P |
| 16:38.58 | [Wobin] | but it's LEGAL! |
| 16:41.07 | Maldivia | just because it's legal, doesn't make it right.... (likewise, just because it's unlegal doesn't make it wrong) |
| 16:41.30 | Maldivia | s/unlegal/illegal/ |
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| 17:07.12 | Kraps_w | unlegal is the proper newspeak term |
| 17:07.46 | Cide | lua> 1.1^15 |
| 17:07.47 | lua_bot | Cide: 4.1772481694157 |
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| 17:08.02 | Cide | float 1.1^(-15) |
| 17:08.05 | Cide | lua> 1.1^(-15) |
| 17:08.05 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.23939204936916 |
| 17:09.41 | mckenziemc | that's xor not exponentiation |
| 17:09.44 | mckenziemc | isn't it? |
| 17:10.27 | foxlit | you seem confuzzled. |
| 17:10.36 | Kraps_w | 3 new 5-man instances - Including one in the Caverns of Time. |
| 17:11.30 | Maldivia | Kraps_w: double plus ungood kind of newspeak ? |
| 17:11.39 | Kraps_w | yes |
| 17:11.48 | foxlit | imo they should just do 5 new 3-man instances |
| 17:12.06 | Kraps_w | haha foxlit |
| 17:12.06 | mckenziemc | :o |
| 17:12.21 | Kraps_w | tank/dps/heals? |
| 17:12.28 | foxlit | dps/dps/dps |
| 17:12.39 | Kraps_w | umm |
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| 17:13.24 | foxlit | What, I'm sure you could make that work |
| 17:13.29 | foxlit | Also, revenge! |
| 17:14.55 | Cide | that is not xor, no |
| 17:15.32 | Fisker | Cide |
| 17:15.33 | Xinhuan | https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe |
| 17:15.36 | Xinhuan | wow its out already? |
| 17:16.05 | Xinhuan | think its only creative mode though, atm |
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| 17:16.32 | Cide | lua> 1.1^(1/15) |
| 17:16.32 | lua_bot | Cide: 1.0063742415447 |
| 17:16.50 | foxlit | now why would you want to know the 15th root of 1.1? |
| 17:17.09 | Cide | because I'm calculating 1.1^(x/15) |
| 17:17.20 | Cide | which is (1.1^(1/15))^x |
| 17:18.31 | foxlit | still odd. |
| 17:18.43 | Xinhuan | lua> 1.1^(30/15) |
| 17:18.44 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.21 |
| 17:18.52 | Xinhuan | lua> (1.1^(1/15))^30 |
| 17:18.52 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.21 |
| 17:19.00 | Xinhuan | damn straight |
| 17:19.26 | Xinhuan | it didn't even have rounding error? |
| 17:19.33 | Maldivia | 30/15 = 2 |
| 17:19.33 | Xinhuan | lua> 1.0063742415447^30 |
| 17:19.34 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.2099999999997 |
| 17:19.40 | Maldivia | not that hard to do :P |
| 17:19.49 | Cide | foxlit: the C pow() function is pow(double, int) |
| 17:20.11 | Cide | so I'm just rewriting the base so that the exponent can be integer |
| 17:20.12 | Xinhuan | yeah well the second one didn't have rounding error |
| 17:20.33 | Xinhuan | compared to if i took the printed result |
| 17:20.34 | mckenziemc | becauese it's 1.1 * 11 |
| 17:20.45 | mckenziemc | 1.1 * 1.1 |
| 17:20.52 | Maldivia | Cide: the one in math.h - that's double, double |
| 17:20.53 | Xinhuan | (1.1^(1/15))^30 ====== 1.0063742415447^30 |
| 17:20.59 | Xinhuan | notice the difference |
| 17:21.05 | Cide | Maldivia: yeah, but that's also slower I'm sure :) |
| 17:21.10 | Xinhuan | the first gave 1.21, the second gave 1.2099999999997 |
| 17:21.23 | foxlit | Cide: you're sure? |
| 17:21.29 | Cide | yes |
| 17:22.11 | Xinhuan | C or C++? |
| 17:22.11 | foxlit | not (double, double)? |
| 17:22.23 | Cide | C++ |
| 17:22.31 | Xinhuan | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cmath/pow/ |
| 17:22.34 | mckenziemc | entering 1.0063742415447 is not quite the same as using the internal value that prints that way though |
| 17:22.38 | Maldivia | $ grep pow /usr/include/math.h |
| 17:22.38 | Maldivia | double pow(double, double); |
| 17:22.42 | Xinhuan | it has overloaded versions |
| 17:22.46 | Cide | yes |
| 17:22.48 | Xinhuan | (doubel, double) is one of them |
| 17:22.55 | Cide | yeah yeah, I'm switching |
| 17:23.05 | Cide | get off my lawn |
| 17:23.08 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 17:23.15 | Xinhuan | still one pow() call is cheaper than 2 |
| 17:23.18 | Xinhuan | but less accurate |
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| 17:23.36 | Xinhuan | since you would have rounded off to 1.0063742415447 |
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| 17:27.28 | foxlit | grumble, have to decide how many courses to ta this semester :( |
| 17:27.55 | zenzelezz | 3 |
| 17:28.05 | foxlit | not 7? |
| 17:28.44 | Xinhuan | Transmogrify |
| 17:28.45 | Xinhuan | what |
| 17:28.48 | Xinhuan | WHAT |
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| 17:30.17 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I have no idea what number is usual |
| 17:31.40 | mckenziemc | 42 |
| 17:31.45 | Xinhuan | Threat generation for all tanks has been increased to 500%, up from 300%. |
| 17:31.47 | Xinhuan | REALLY |
| 17:31.49 | Xinhuan | rofled. |
| 17:31.58 | Xinhuan | is today april 1 |
| 17:32.51 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 17:32.56 | zenzelezz | read the latest watercooler |
| 17:33.12 | zenzelezz | they essentially want to get as close to getting rid of threat as they can within the current state |
| 17:33.32 | zenzelezz | instead, they want tanks to hit Shield Block |
| 17:34.14 | jnwhiteh | but druids can't wear shields! |
| 17:34.16 | jnwhiteh | nerf warriors |
| 17:34.32 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 17:34.52 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: you'll just have to hit Paw Block |
| 17:34.55 | zenzelezz | obviously I oversimplied things, but they did say they want tanking to be more "active survival" and less "generate threat" |
| 17:35.09 | Xinhuan | i should start reading mmo-champ everyday again |
| 17:35.16 | Xinhuan | i am only readint it like once a week now |
| 17:35.21 | jnwhiteh | rss readers ftw |
| 17:35.29 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 17:36.27 | zenzelezz | I never found an RSS reader I liked |
| 17:36.48 | jnwhiteh | google reader |
| 17:36.50 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 17:36.58 | jnwhiteh | especially with vim-key navigation |
| 17:36.59 | karl_w_w | redlights Fisker |
| 17:37.07 | foxlit | Pulse |
| 17:37.15 | jnwhiteh | pulse is good as well |
| 17:37.24 | jnwhiteh | but i'm on too many computers, i need a ZOMG CLOUD solution |
| 17:37.58 | zenzelezz | Google Reader just didn't click with me. It seems slick, but not to my taste |
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| 17:38.21 | Xinhuan | heh i notice how the watercooler blogs avoids specific mention of any mod's name |
| 17:38.59 | foxlit | "Greg âGhostcrawlerâ Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft, and lead eater at the dinner table." |
| 17:39.11 | zenzelezz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/17/0341201/Collar-Bomber-Tracked-By-Gmail-Accesses |
| 17:39.16 | foxlit | You were saying, in? |
| 17:39.19 | Xinhuan | "We expect the community to gradually stop using threat-tracking mods as players realize they donât need them." |
| 17:39.24 | Xinhuan | What! |
| 17:39.29 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:39.30 | Parnic | lol |
| 17:39.34 | Xinhuan | REALLY |
| 17:39.35 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 17:39.36 | nevcairiel | you should sue blizzard for killing your income |
| 17:39.39 | Parnic | "players don't need a visualization of this hidden, crucial mechanic" |
| 17:39.43 | foxlit | The man has a point :P |
| 17:40.10 | foxlit | This hidden, crucial mechanic hasn't been used in 4.x content. |
| 17:40.14 | zenzelezz | I think they're right; assuming their threat adjustment scheme goes well, there should be no need for meters |
| 17:40.16 | foxlit | There's no Lady Deathwhisper. |
| 17:40.19 | nevcairiel | Parnic: the context of that line is that they increased the threat generation of the tanks significantly, and its really unimportant now |
| 17:40.32 | nevcairiel | after the recent hotfix, anyway |
| 17:40.40 | Parnic | i saw, i just don't see threat meters ever being unnecessary |
| 17:41.06 | nevcairiel | if even the fury warrior in full out dps rotation cannot get aggro anymore, then they are. :) |
| 17:41.33 | foxlit | plus the usual problem of Omen being senseless. |
| 17:41.57 | Xinhuan | i think people would probably still use meters to hold back in the first 5 seconds, just to feel secure |
| 17:41.57 | nevcairiel | It'll take some time, people will still have it, but look at it even less, at some point hide it for most fights, and then eventually disable it |
| 17:41.58 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 17:42.10 | Xinhuan | and every time there's a threat wipe |
| 17:42.36 | zenzelezz | you assume they'll keep making threat wipe fights |
| 17:42.49 | nevcairiel | There will only be problems on untauntable bosses that threat-wipe mid-fight, but seriously, as if Omen helps in those cases. :P |
| 17:42.49 | zenzelezz | it sounds more like they're trying to edge everything away from threat |
| 17:43.30 | alestane | I wouldn't be surprised if they do make fights that include some sort of "aggro swap", just to wake players up. |
| 17:43.39 | zenzelezz | swap, sure |
| 17:44.03 | karl_w_w | it has great potential to turn out really shit |
| 17:44.10 | alestane | "Kill the one in the dress, you fools!" |
| 17:44.29 | foxlit | It's funny because Nef doesn't follow his own advice. |
| 17:44.31 | nevcairiel | A tank must have great insulting skills |
| 17:44.50 | Xinhuan | well |
| 17:45.05 | Xinhuan | in T11, i've had a lot of cases where i can almost outthreat the tank |
| 17:45.08 | karl_w_w | nef makes the mistake of trying to aoe down the whole raid at once |
| 17:45.23 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: and now they basically doubled tank threat generation |
| 17:45.25 | Xinhuan | but because all the bosses are |
| 17:45.28 | Xinhuan | tauntable |
| 17:45.33 | Xinhuan | it has generally not been an issue |
| 17:45.42 | zenzelezz | Xinhuan: in existing content, sure. The thing is, they're now saying "we no longer agree with our previous stance on threat" |
| 17:45.45 | Xinhuan | because the tanks know to look at Omen, and see my Mirror Image runs out in 5 seconds |
| 17:45.47 | Xinhuan | and taunt |
| 17:45.58 | Xinhuan | with that change, its probably redundant now |
| 17:46.13 | Xinhuan | that's a 60% threat tank increase right? |
| 17:46.27 | Xinhuan | err |
| 17:46.28 | nevcairiel | from 3 times damage to 5 times damage |
| 17:46.36 | Xinhuan | lua> 5/3 |
| 17:46.37 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.6666666666667 |
| 17:46.40 | Xinhuan | yeah pretty close |
| 17:46.44 | karl_w_w | no it was a 300% increase |
| 17:46.46 | Xinhuan | about 60% |
| 17:46.58 | karl_w_w | so doesnt hat mean it's gone from 400% total to 600% total |
| 17:47.04 | Xinhuan | since the 3x to 5x only applies to damage done |
| 17:47.14 | Xinhuan | many abilities still have a flat threat value |
| 17:47.17 | Xinhuan | which don't scale with it |
| 17:47.24 | nevcairiel | they removed those mostly in 4.x |
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| 17:48.06 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: "Threat generation for all tanks has been increased to 500%, up from 300%." |
| 17:48.13 | zenzelezz | not "increased by" |
| 17:48.39 | nevcairiel | yeah, they do 500% threat per 100% damage |
| 17:48.53 | foxlit | You know what they need to do? Give tanks Kick. |
| 17:49.01 | nevcairiel | tanks have kicks |
| 17:49.04 | foxlit | And put a cooldown on DPS kicks |
| 17:49.20 | nevcairiel | I think every tank class can interrupt now |
| 17:49.27 | Cide | they can |
| 17:49.30 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 17:49.33 | Cide | with normalized cooldowns |
| 17:49.34 | foxlit | It should just be more central |
| 17:49.41 | foxlit | As opposed to Wind Shear. |
| 17:49.53 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 17:50.27 | foxlit | Point is, tanks should be responsible for interrupting important spells as part of their job description. |
| 17:50.44 | nevcairiel | They always did for us |
| 17:50.47 | foxlit | (which they mostly are, though that message is a bit slow to reach some people) |
| 17:50.58 | nevcairiel | but on some fights its not always possible |
| 17:51.08 | zenzelezz | I'm so going to use the Transmogrifier to turn my armor into looking like some grey-quality item |
| 17:51.09 | foxlit | Adjust encounter design until it is:) |
| 17:51.15 | Cide | why |
| 17:51.17 | karl_w_w | spriests and locks are the only people without interrupts |
| 17:51.22 | karl_w_w | and some hunters |
| 17:51.24 | nevcairiel | like on tron council, if the tank had to move or something, it wouldnt work, so there always were dpsers responsible |
| 17:51.26 | Cide | dps should get more responsibilities, not tanks |
| 17:51.29 | foxlit | Also, did I mention Wind Shear cooldown? |
| 17:51.35 | Cide | also, one class |
| 17:51.39 | Cide | dps should get more responsibilities, not tanks |
| 17:51.56 | foxlit | why? |
| 17:52.21 | mckenziemc | spriest silence, felhunter spell lock? |
| 17:52.31 | karl_w_w | in pve |
| 17:52.40 | Cide | because tank duties are usually more involved than dps |
| 17:52.54 | karl_w_w | spriests dont have to points to take silence and locks use dps pets |
| 17:53.17 | Cide | and there are between 6 to 17 times more dps players in the raid |
| 17:53.19 | foxlit | your underlying assumption is "Everyone should have equal responsibilities" |
| 17:53.29 | Cide | no |
| 17:53.36 | nevcairiel | why should the tanks and healers carry all dpsers through the raid? :p |
| 17:53.42 | Cide | but dps barely have any responsibilities as it is |
| 17:53.48 | foxlit | Because that design has fewer points of failure |
| 17:54.03 | Cide | clearly it's about making raids fool proof as opposed to interesting and challenging |
| 17:54.19 | karl_w_w | i actually find heals have less responsibility than dps |
| 17:54.28 | Cide | lol? |
| 17:54.39 | nevcairiel | dps stands there and presses their dps buttons, how is that for challenging? :d |
| 17:54.46 | zenzelezz | back when I was with a hard-core raid guild in WotLK, the DPSers were always the first to complain about how boring raids became after clearing a few times |
| 17:54.55 | karl_w_w | yeah cos every fight is patchwerk right |
| 17:55.05 | Cide | basically for dps, yes |
| 17:55.09 | Cide | they have to move sometimes but so do healers |
| 17:55.13 | Cide | and tanks |
| 17:55.18 | karl_w_w | so you dont dps then cide? |
| 17:55.23 | foxlit | Do people raid for interest and challenge, I wonder? |
| 17:55.23 | karl_w_w | all heals have to do is heal people and not stand in the bad |
| 17:55.26 | nevcairiel | alot of fights have a central boss without much special needs |
| 17:55.28 | karl_w_w | how is that hard? |
| 17:55.46 | zenzelezz | foxlit: that's the only reason I ever did |
| 17:55.48 | Cide | and prioritize the right people, use the right spells, use cooldowns at the right times, dispel |
| 17:55.55 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: all dps have to do is dps and not stand in the bad. :P |
| 17:56.02 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I notice past tense there :) |
| 17:56.04 | karl_w_w | good dps dispel as well |
| 17:56.13 | Cide | most dps cannot dispel |
| 17:56.20 | foxlit | dispel mechanics in 4.x are a joke |
| 17:56.21 | karl_w_w | all those other things are easy and not so far from what dps do |
| 17:56.26 | Cide | foxlit: sinestra? |
| 17:56.30 | foxlit | A nicely done joke, but not a "ZOMG BURDEN OF RESPONSIBILITY" |
| 17:56.33 | karl_w_w | most dps cannot dispel now? |
| 17:56.37 | karl_w_w | since when |
| 17:56.46 | zenzelezz | foxlit: the aforementioned hard-core raid guild's attitude after we put things on farm in WotLK really turned me off, and I haven't had the time/chance to find a new worthwhile guild |
| 17:56.49 | Cide | name which classes commonly dispel magic that are dps |
| 17:57.18 | Cide | surely some classes have the ability to, but it's almost always up to healers |
| 17:57.28 | Cide | just like interrupts are not up to resto shamans or holy paladins 99% of the time |
| 17:57.33 | karl_w_w | i dont see why |
| 17:57.45 | Cide | dps need more responsibilities |
| 17:57.47 | karl_w_w | i interrupt on my shammy all the time |
| 17:57.51 | Cide | it's not about their capabilities |
| 17:57.56 | karl_w_w | i dispel on my mage all the time |
| 17:57.56 | Cide | karl_w_w: in what raid instance |
| 17:58.03 | Cide | you can't even dispel on your mage |
| 17:58.07 | karl_w_w | whenever it comes up |
| 17:58.10 | Cide | you're talking about offensive dispel which is a joke |
| 17:58.13 | karl_w_w | no |
| 17:58.16 | karl_w_w | decurse |
| 17:58.16 | foxlit | "Cide: dps need more responsibilities" we disagree; or, rather, I don't think you've explained why this is a good idea to my satisfaction. |
| 17:58.34 | Cide | there are barely any curses in the past two raid tiers |
| 17:58.40 | Cide | good idea? |
| 17:58.51 | nevcairiel | all important debuffs are magic now, and only healers can cure magic |
| 17:58.52 | Cide | I would kill myself if my dpsers would have to do more |
| 17:58.54 | karl_w_w | im not presenting a case here, im stating fact, healing is easier than dpsing in my experience |
| 17:58.58 | Cide | because they are all awful players |
| 17:59.12 | Cide | I'm just saying as a game designer dps have far too little to do |
| 17:59.19 | foxlit | And that's entirely fine |
| 17:59.29 | Cide | no |
| 17:59.34 | nevcairiel | because dps are usually bad players |
| 17:59.35 | nevcairiel | there! |
| 17:59.42 | Cide | yes |
| 17:59.47 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: healing as which class(es)? |
| 17:59.48 | Cide | that's not an excuse though |
| 17:59.52 | Cide | raising the skill cap is good |
| 17:59.54 | karl_w_w | shammy |
| 18:00.03 | nevcairiel | i find dpsing uterly boring |
| 18:00.04 | karl_w_w | havent played priest since bc so idk |
| 18:00.11 | karl_w_w | boring yes |
| 18:00.11 | Cide | I constantly have to put responsibilities that should belong to dps on tanks and healers |
| 18:00.16 | Cide | just to get through content |
| 18:00.18 | karl_w_w | doesnt mean theres less to do |
| 18:00.20 | foxlit | Basically, dps minigame design is the only thing that actually scales well. |
| 18:00.27 | foxlit | They can kill stuff faster if they get better. |
| 18:00.34 | foxlit | Healers can't heal people any more alive. |
| 18:00.49 | Cide | and downright encouraging that behavior is sad |
| 18:01.16 | Cide | foxlit: you're under the assumption that every encounter is flawless |
| 18:01.17 | nevcairiel | The problem with the whole design is, the longer you farm some content, the better your healers get, and suddenly you start cutting healers |
| 18:01.24 | nevcairiel | so if you get better, you risk your goddam spot. :P |
| 18:01.31 | Cide | with gear healers can get you through major screwups |
| 18:01.34 | Cide | that you would otherwise wipe to |
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| 18:02.06 | foxlit | So by the time the content you run is irrelevant, your failures are too? |
| 18:02.15 | Cide | same goes for your dps argument |
| 18:02.26 | foxlit | Hey, it's a competition in its own right. |
| 18:02.38 | foxlit | The olympics are irrelevant, doesn't stop those people from trying to win the gold. |
| 18:03.01 | Cide | and I wish it wasn't |
| 18:03.19 | Cide | or our dps would care more about not standing in the fire |
| 18:03.44 | foxlit | at some point someone mentioned dps-reducing fires. |
| 18:03.46 | karl_w_w | maybe you should find new dps |
| 18:03.55 | foxlit | which are probably a better solution than death-inducing fires. |
| 18:03.57 | nevcairiel | 90% of all dps are like that |
| 18:04.21 | karl_w_w | we're a 1 night a week casual guild and none of our dps is like that |
| 18:04.35 | Cide | karl_w_w: exactly |
| 18:04.39 | Cide | dps players are bad |
| 18:04.51 | Cide | because the only interesting roles are tank/healing |
| 18:05.29 | nevcairiel | well, casuals might not be like that, but once you start going up into hardcore regions, most dpsers are like that |
| 18:05.35 | nevcairiel | their dps is all that matters to them |
| 18:06.04 | karl_w_w | that doesnt make any sense |
| 18:06.07 | nevcairiel | those ranking sites should weight dmg taken/healing received into the dps numbers. :p |
| 18:06.17 | karl_w_w | you dont get far in the game by standing in fire |
| 18:06.17 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: don't try to apply sense/reason to raiders |
| 18:07.04 | karl_w_w | well actually you do get far, instant trip to the nearest gy generally |
| 18:07.13 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: its not like they really stand in the fire, but they maximize their cast time before moving out, iow. finishing that one cast, which doesnt kill them, but brings them to 50%, and a healer has to pick up the slack |
| 18:08.06 | nevcairiel | athramedes was great to spot those people, eventually they would get bombed. :D |
| 18:08.10 | foxlit | hence: anti-magic fires |
| 18:08.26 | foxlit | "stand here and deal 90% less damage" |
| 18:08.40 | Lunessa | Cide: FWIW I mostly agree with you. DPS classes could stand to shoulder a bit more of the load than just "don't stand in fire" and "do your biggest numbers" - More DPS players need to learn to use their CC and interrupts much more oftne. |
| 18:08.50 | mckenziemc | "stand here and deal 0% damage" |
| 18:09.13 | nevcairiel | I was really hoping there would be some truth to the whole "you need CC again, even in raids" talk before cata came out |
| 18:09.15 | foxlit | Lunessa: problematically, interrupts are a horrible mechanic |
| 18:09.22 | foxlit | Forcing them onto more people is a mistake. |
| 18:09.23 | karl_w_w | Lunessa no they don't need to, and that's the problem :P |
| 18:09.25 | nevcairiel | but it only held up for like a week in 5mans, until you had gear |
| 18:10.07 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yes, I know. I use Wind Shear a lot in lots of fights - unless I'm healing, in which case I yell at our other slacker DPS to do it, I'm fucking busy. |
| 18:10.15 | karl_w_w | bot trash is the only place i remember CC actually counting for something |
| 18:10.48 | karl_w_w | oh and the lovely ring of frost placement on maloriak :P |
| 18:10.55 | foxlit | descent trash had those adorable enraging dragons |
| 18:11.02 | nevcairiel | those were fun |
| 18:11.06 | nevcairiel | i actually was useful as a druid! |
| 18:11.11 | Azelphur | the trick is to just do enough dps that it doesn't matter what anyone else does :D |
| 18:11.42 | Lunessa | Azelphur: Not big on "team play" are you? |
| 18:11.45 | nevcairiel | I always wished one of my druid abilities would come to some use in a boss-fight, but it really never happend |
| 18:12.03 | Azelphur | Lunessa: haha, I used to multibox so I guess that answers that question :) |
| 18:12.04 | karl_w_w | druids have abilities? |
| 18:12.05 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Sure it is... Rejvu! |
| 18:12.14 | foxlit | But anyhow, to me, it seems like dps is the role of least concern in terms of interest and balance -- they have a relatively straightforward way to do objectively better. |
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| 18:12.38 | foxlit | Tanks with active survivability abilities sound like something you'll be able to automate easily. |
| 18:12.57 | nevcairiel | I hope there needs to be some decision making involved |
| 18:13.12 | nevcairiel | not back to the "press shiedblock on cooldown" mechanic |
| 18:13.21 | foxlit | Healing is just weird. I don't have an answer for it -- short of making every fight Valithria, someone is going to suffer. |
| 18:13.39 | Lunessa | Yeah, it's not like there's a meter that tells you how well you manipulated the boss aggro and mechanics as a tank. "Joe, Fred really outshone you on the tank-meters tonight, you need to check out EJ forums, re-spec, re-gem, etc. to bring your numbers up." |
| 18:14.12 | nevcairiel | tanks are mostly judged by their reactions and movements |
| 18:14.29 | nevcairiel | plus the obvious, gear and talent choices |
| 18:14.41 | karl_w_w | stacking stam ftw |
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| 18:15.43 | foxlit | nevcairiel: any interesting decision ideas? |
| 18:15.57 | nevcairiel | on what? |
| 18:16.04 | foxlit | tank cooldowns. |
| 18:16.06 | Lunessa | I play a paladin tank. Stacking Stamina FTL |
| 18:16.17 | nevcairiel | stacking stamina isnt good for anyone. .p |
| 18:16.23 | karl_w_w | stacking stamina is always ftl |
| 18:18.13 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i guess if the cooldown is too short, it'll end up being used on cooldown, but if its too long you might be too careful to not waste it, its really non-trivial to properly balance it |
| 18:18.36 | nevcairiel | of course thats also aimed at the next content, not the current, so who knows |
| 18:18.54 | nevcairiel | (also, i have never set foot into firelands) |
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| 18:31.38 | foxlit | "WoW QA wanted to thank you all for all the help you all provided during the Beta phase for Cataclysm! Through your forum reports and bug submissions through feedback filter, we were able to put in over 700 unique bugs!" |
| 18:31.54 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 18:32.13 | kd3 | that was amusing |
| 18:32.24 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 18:33.06 | foxlit | It'd be funnier still if they threw a "despite" in there |
| 18:34.25 | karl_w_w | ok limbo is a scary game |
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| 18:41.17 | Lunessa | Firelands - Where the Trash is a Boss |
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| 18:44.12 | karl_w_w | firelands - where the bosses are trash |
| 18:44.33 | Mr_Rabies | seriously |
| 18:44.47 | Mr_Rabies | comparitively, the first time you fight the turtles is way harder than the first time you fight baleroc |
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| 18:47.16 | Lunessa | I took guildees for our first official trash run the other day. I said "Leave the Turtles the FUCK alone." They insisted they wanted to kill them. I shrugged and like a parent I let them pull one set to teach them a lesson. |
| 18:47.47 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: doesn't sound like an American parent, if we're to believe the media |
| 18:48.32 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Every parent has to let their child do something that will be unpleasant once to learn the lesson. |
| 18:48.56 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 18:48.58 | Fisker | signups are back up |
| 18:49.06 | karl_w_w | the turtles are easy |
| 18:49.52 | karl_w_w | but then you guys dont seem to know any dps who know how to do anything other than top meters so I can understand why they might cause trouble :P |
| 18:50.53 | karl_w_w | they should have made all the trash like the turtles |
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| 18:55.24 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I agree, I was joking that the perception over here seems to be "American parents are so afraid of their kids getting hurt that they never let them do anything, ever" |
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| 18:56.51 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: That's because the media likes to cover the insane and the bizarre so that's all you 'furriners" see. |
| 18:57.07 | zenzelezz | I know :-) |
| 18:57.22 | zenzelezz | that's why I added "if we're to believe the media" |
| 18:57.53 | Lunessa | Which is why we believe that all other countries are full of terrorists, rioters, and places you can smoke dope legally. |
| 18:58.08 | zenzelezz | hehehe |
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| 19:06.19 | Kraps_w | witch |
| 19:06.23 | Kraps_w | which |
| 19:06.27 | Kraps_w | ah |
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| 19:29.16 | Lunessa | This ... is AWSOME: http://jezebel.com/5831788/gerard-depardieu-officially-does-not-give-a-shit-pees-on-airplane-carpet |
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| 19:35.00 | Kraps_w | whos this guy |
| 19:36.37 | Maldivia | gerard depardieu? the french actor with the big nose? |
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| 19:41.43 | Kraps_w | wonders if he'll be able to start the last part of vacation today instead of tomorrow |
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| 19:43.14 | Kraps_w | ~8ball |
| 19:43.15 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: It is certain |
| 19:43.22 | Kraps_w | sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 19:43.38 | Kraps_w | wait, what's certain |
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| 19:44.54 | karl_w_w | reinstalling your o/s and most of your programs would be a lot easier if programs that say they sync actually do sync |
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| 19:54.36 | cogwheel | Lunessa: i have a feeling magritta will be VERY happy about the threat changes :P |
| 19:55.21 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I've gotten 4 texts on the subject already. |
| 19:55.29 | cogwheel | haha |
| 19:56.56 | cogwheel | i assume those scorpion packs are still going to be a bitch though? |
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| 20:03.40 | Phelps | Is there a way to hook into the player right clicking on a unit ? |
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| 20:05.28 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 20:05.36 | Parnic | and you never will |
| 20:05.40 | Fisker | Windows Mail was discontinued shortly after Vista |
| 20:06.03 | Fisker | why does their latest server codebase still have it? |
| 20:08.31 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 20:08.47 | Fisker | why do people keep reporting that borderlands will be out in 2013? |
| 20:08.52 | Fisker | don't they know how fiscal years work? |
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| 20:09.06 | Parnic | i don't know |
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| 20:25.28 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: dont they know that borderlands was already released? |
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| 20:35.06 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 20:36.39 | kd3 | o_O; http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/sanitation_truck_plows_through_repair_Or43vEg04ePgJgHjqckHbJ |
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| 20:38.38 | mckenziemc | "A wave of flame radiates outward from the target location, damaging all enemies caught within the blast for 1707 Fire damage and are slowed by 70% for 3 sec." : / |
| 20:45.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/win12.jpg that's pretty fuckin extreme |
| 20:47.13 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://mikma.eu/mining/2011-08-17%2010.36.52.jpg |
| 20:48.24 | karl_w_w | <Vaati_> i dont want to spend $20 on an hdmi transmitter chip, so Im making my own <- some channels are just so much cooler than this one :P |
| 20:48.37 | kd3 | mikma; o_O |
| 20:48.55 | mikma | 1700kg of explosives is a good sunbed |
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| 21:01.59 | alestane | Anyone have experience with Norton 360's backup solution? |
| 21:02.28 | cogwheel | no and if i did i wouldn't want it |
| 21:02.45 | Lunessa | I have experience with Symantec's DLO which is similar. (PS. I hate it) |
| 21:03.40 | alestane | Well, my landlady told me her computer is complaining of low space and is very slow. I found that her 70GB HD was stuffed to the gills, despite having 6GB in Documents and Settings, 2G in program files, and 13GB in WINDOWS. |
| 21:03.53 | alestane | Then I found 45GB+ in N360_BACKUP. |
| 21:04.18 | cogwheel | http://xkcd.com/627/ imo |
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| 21:05.10 | alestane | Initial internet searches turned up a lot of people having the same problem, and getting answers from people who didn't read their question very thoroughly ("My only backup set is 3GB and it's taking up 50GB." "Sounds like you have too many backup sets.") |
| 21:05.16 | Lunessa | got in himmel! |
| 21:05.36 | alestane | So finally I disabled the Backup option and started it deleting the backup data. |
| 21:06.45 | alestane | Haven't yet discerned just how Norton can spend 45GB of drive backing up 6GB of data. I presume it's doing some sort of incremental backup with no snapshots or expiration. |
| 21:07.37 | cogwheel | any large binary file that gets changed couldn't be backed up incrementally |
| 21:08.46 | alestane | Anyway, she's not the only one with this problem, where Norton eventually eats every unused portion of the drive with an ever-growing backup. No obvious solution other than "stop letting Norton do backups." |
| 21:09.07 | cogwheel | never have norton in the first place is a good one imo |
| 21:09.09 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:10.09 | alestane | Not that I have a problem with this solution, mind you. Kat's experiences in server management have left us with a "You can't pay us enough to use Symantec" attitude. Their tech support is a customer service nightmare. |
| 21:10.17 | Lunessa | Time Machine will also eat up huge amounts of space if you're making back ups to a local volume. |
| 21:11.00 | foxlit | Lunessa: it's backing up the back up? |
| 21:11.03 | alestane | Plus, the backup was on her C:\ drive, yes, so I sort of wonder if it was somehow attempting to back up the backup. |
| 21:11.40 | karl_w_w | where's the sense in backing up to the same drive? |
| 21:11.51 | foxlit | deleted/modified files, karl |
| 21:11.55 | alestane | It's a default setting of some kind, I think. |
| 21:12.05 | Lunessa | foxlit: No, but Time Machine is a pretty space hungry thing. I forget the specifics of the issues relating to it filling up a chuck of space on the root volume, but google will turn it up |
| 21:12.08 | alestane | She got it from her ISP and it came set up that way. |
| 21:13.04 | karl_w_w | yes but backing up to the same drive is equivalent of "when you most desperately want this backup, it'll be inaccessible" |
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| 21:13.29 | alestane | As far as I can tell, Symantec support operates on the principle that for every amount of support they give you, they must inflict an equal or greater amount of technical failure and inconvenience on you or someone else. |
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| 21:14.09 | karl_w_w | symantec are good for 1 thing |
| 21:14.26 | karl_w_w | those little virus-specific removal programs they do |
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| 21:26.24 | alestane | cogwheel: The problem with the DIY approach is that she's looking at Add/Remove Programs going, "It looks like these Microsoft updates are taking up space; I don't need them anymore, do I?" |
| 21:26.41 | foxlit | alestane: you can uninstall them? |
| 21:26.47 | cogwheel | alestane: i meant that as advice for figuring out norton :P |
| 21:26.54 | cogwheel | (not srs) |
| 21:28.56 | Kalroth | Fisker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ItSe4Q-gw Gee gee gee gee!! |
| 21:29.08 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/cpp.png << deplorable, though |
| 21:33.15 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: and Mcafee's one good thing is making all other AV programs look better. |
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| 21:36.44 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 21:39.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/probz1.jpg <- I actually facepalmed |
| 21:39.53 | Thunder_Child | see, now how does she know she is not wearing glasses in her dream? |
| 21:40.20 | Thunder_Child | after 60 years of wearing glasses, i would be surprised if she didn't dream with glasses on. |
| 21:41.09 | karl_w_w | cos you take your glasses off to sleep, silly |
| 21:41.29 | Thunder_Child | yes, but she might be wearing them in her dream! |
| 21:42.02 | Arrowmaster | you mean you dont have dreams where you are wearing what you fell asleep wearing? |
| 21:42.28 | Arrowmaster | i often dream i dont have any shoes on, and some times no pants |
| 21:42.30 | Thunder_Child | i never remember my dreams so thats kinda moot |
| 21:42.32 | karl_w_w | that's crazy talk |
| 21:42.52 | alestane | Okay, that's a phrase to remember for later: |
| 21:42.59 | alestane | "Get thee behind me, Norton." |
| 21:43.45 | Thunder_Child | why would you want to remember that? |
| 21:44.54 | karl_w_w | is it the secret code to make norton behave sensibly? |
| 21:45.12 | alestane | It SHOULD be. |
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| 21:59.42 | Dagmar | I thought it was uninstall.exe |
| 22:00.55 | cogwheel | Dagmar: No you're thinking of Norton_Removal_Tool.exe |
| 22:00.58 | foxlit | dear ubisoft: @#$!#!@#!@# !@#!@#!@! $#@$!@#!@ uplay !@#!@#!! |
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| 22:07.03 | Dagmar | Ahhhhh |
| 22:08.42 | Dagmar | I moved on to whitelisting for that so long ago I woudln't even know if they changed their logo to a giant eggplant. |
| 22:10.25 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/astute5.jpg <- must do this |
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| 22:30.18 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: while i hate puns, if that was placed on a signpost that would be amazing, because that is not one. |
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| 22:38.06 | Thunder_Child | ~seen iriel |
| 22:38.09 | purl | iriel <~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19h 21m 26s ago, saying: 'his pre-stabbing advice, anyway'. |
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| 22:42.35 | Lunessa | pre-stabbing advice sounds ominous. |
| 22:43.10 | Thunder_Child | it was in reference to something Cide said |
| 22:43.32 | Thunder_Child | which should be no surprise there |
| 22:44.00 | Lunessa | I don't talk about violence on the internet. I don't want it used against me at trial. :P |
| 22:44.30 | Thunder_Child | prove that it was you who said it. |
| 22:44.37 | Thunder_Child | or typed it rather |
| 22:46.34 | durcyn | people in the UK are being sent to jail for allegedly inciting violence on social networks, it's not like every jurisdiction even cares about your 'proof', pal. |
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| 22:53.31 | Kraps | the 8ball was right, vacation starts today |
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| 22:54.41 | Kraps | durcyn: 6 years for inciting violence on social networks is, as the brits say, rubbish |
| 22:55.43 | Kraps | lashes needs to make a comeback |
| 23:01.24 | Maldivia | lashes? |
| 23:01.41 | Kraps | lashing |
| 23:02.08 | Maldivia | there's a fetish for that, isn't that enough for you? |
| 23:02.23 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation |
| 23:03.00 | Lunessa | And ... with Kraps devolving into S&M in channel, it's time for me to bail. |
| 23:03.11 | Kraps | dude |
| 23:03.21 | Kraps | as punishment |
| 23:03.44 | Kraps | :( |
| 23:03.54 | Kraps | time for bbq |
| 23:04.26 | TMc51 | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEWx1LHEWAc |
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| 23:20.07 | Tuller | potato |
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| 23:39.24 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/static-render/us/madoran/155/85034139-avatar.jpg?alt=/wow/static/images/2d/avatar/8-0.jpg |
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| 23:43.05 | Corrodias | i don't even know what that's supposed to be :o |
| 23:47.04 | mckenziemc1 | a troll with one of the funky headpieces from ZA/ZG? |
| 23:48.40 | Maldivia | here's the whole picture: http://us.battle.net/static-render/us/madoran/155/85034139-profilemain.jpg |
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| 23:49.10 | foxlit | yeah, the avatar is just puzzling |
| 23:49.30 | foxlit | You can probably tell it's a troll by the ear. |
| 23:57.45 | Dagmar | ...or the tusks. |
| 23:57.59 | Corrodias | it looked liked just a splotch of color to me |
