| 00:00.06 | Cairenn | Hi Ackis |
| 00:00.29 | Ackis | I need a hug from you |
| 00:02.20 | dolby | I probably banned him wrong |
| 00:03.58 | Cairenn | hugs Ackis |
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| 00:08.34 | Nechckn | Cairenn returns to us from yonder nether! |
| 00:08.45 | Cairenn | I do |
| 00:11.19 | mckenziemc | And we're sending you there to fill the void she left! |
| 00:11.25 | starlon | lol |
| 00:11.49 | Nechckn | I would never presume to attempt to fill such a void... |
| 00:12.32 | Nechckn | The nether is likely sorely lacking inspiration at this point; something which it would be lacking were I to make such an attempt. |
| 00:13.05 | Thunder_Child | yea Nechckn, you dont have the ass for it |
| 00:13.15 | Nechckn | That either... |
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| 00:14.27 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 00:18.51 | Kraps | some people... http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/jdnp9/i_am_a_garbageman_in_ny_ama/c2baq8m |
| 00:26.07 | Kraps | wb Cairenn |
| 00:26.20 | Cairenn | Thanks Kraps |
| 00:30.40 | cogwheel | hugs Ackis & Cairenn |
| 00:30.50 | Cairenn | hi cog |
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| 01:12.32 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 01:12.41 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2973390206?page=1#1 |
| 01:12.42 | dafzor | hi there, anyone know's how to get a itemId from an itemName? Tried GetItemInfo but only works if it's in your bags :\ |
| 01:13.15 | foxlit | you can't do that. |
| 01:13.47 | foxlit | kd3: l2serialize :) |
| 01:14.58 | dafzor | foxlit, really? |
| 01:15.05 | foxlit | really. |
| 01:15.14 | kd3 | you can do itemid->name, but not the reverse |
| 01:15.22 | kd3 | largely because there are plenty of items that share names |
| 01:15.24 | foxlit | The client will not resolve a name to an item ID for you unless the player has access to the item. |
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| 01:16.04 | kd3 | unless you're talking about an item in your inventory, where there's no disambiguity |
| 01:16.14 | dafzor | okay, thanks for the help guys :( |
| 01:16.58 | Kraps | thunder at 180db |
| 01:17.06 | Kraps | or something |
| 01:17.14 | SinusPi | What is the currently working solution for extracting fully patched files out of MPQs..? I'm trying Ladik's MPQ Editor 3.2.0.607, but even with the "open with options" and multiple MPQs selected (base + patches from Cache\ ) it either loads them (seemingly) unpatched, or crashes... |
| 01:17.44 | kd3 | it's not cache. get the base files in data (or your locale) and then all of the -patch.mpqs in the same folder |
| 01:18.15 | SinusPi | Tried that too, but the resulting file didn't seem to be patched... |
| 01:18.19 | kd3 | so, if you want maps or something, get locale-enUS.mpq and all of the wow-update-* mpqs |
| 01:19.05 | SinusPi | Precisely, I'm looking at a CreatureDisplayInfo.dbc file I extracted, and there's no entry for either (for example) NPC 3169 "Tarshaw Jaggedscar", while it should be there... And, entries end at about number 36000, while there are many NPCs newer than that... |
| 01:19.47 | Kraps | also raining like the Flodd |
| 01:19.55 | Kraps | Flood* |
| 01:20.10 | SinusPi | Or I got something wrong. Never mind for now. Rechecking. |
| 01:23.59 | SinusPi | Definitely wrong. Okay, another approach: do you have any idea which DBC might have the DisplayInfo data for specific creatures..? |
| 01:24.19 | SinusPi | not CreatureDisplayInfo.dbc, apparently... |
| 01:28.36 | SinusPi | And, as for "take locale-enUS.mpq and all wow-update-*" - when I try that, I get "file unreadable" errors on every attempt to extract anything... |
| 01:33.24 | kd3 | step 1: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bf3901e44693f0567168737c713077ef.png |
| 01:33.29 | kd3 | step 2: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4f0c4bde8e0928f726ef4d0e4639c770.png |
| 01:34.20 | kd3 | then you can right-click on the DBFilesClient folder, choose extract, and dump all of those files somewhere. that's every dbc in the mpqs, patched up to 14480 |
| 01:34.48 | kd3 | just make sure in step 2 you choose patched mode |
| 01:35.10 | SinusPi | That's exactly what I do. |
| 01:35.19 | SinusPi | Though I try to extract just one file. |
| 01:35.29 | kd3 | which? |
| 01:35.35 | SinusPi | It even reports failure on "verify file" in mpqedit. |
| 01:36.09 | SinusPi | CreatureDisplayInfo.dbc , though I seem to no longer need THAT one, as it doesn't seem to contain the data I hoped it to. |
| 01:36.11 | kd3 | yeah, I get that too. but extracting works fine, they're patched wherever mpqedit extracted them too |
| 01:36.59 | kd3 | wait, hold on. |
| 01:37.00 | SinusPi | Well, it yells errors and stops extracting for me. |
| 01:37.05 | kd3 | grrs at his copy of mpqedit |
| 01:39.44 | airtonix | this is where adys pimps his project |
| 01:40.31 | mckenziemc | this is where mckenziemc kills airtonix |
| 01:40.49 | airtonix | hater |
| 01:55.31 | kd3 | hm. looks like something's broken. >.< |
| 01:56.03 | kd3 | does some digging |
| 01:56.25 | Mikk | buuuu refresh my memory... does VP cap reset @4am or 9am? |
| 01:57.10 | Mikk | or put another way: along with quest reset or dungeon reset |
| 01:57.26 | mckenziemc | 12 pacific standard for US |
| 01:57.35 | Mikk | blink |
| 01:57.47 | Mikk | so 3am eastern |
| 01:57.54 | mckenziemc | 4 eastern daylight |
| 01:57.57 | Mikk | nod |
| 02:07.00 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/126833898.html if you're interested |
| 02:07.09 | Cairenn | :( |
| 02:07.10 | Cairenn | *hug* |
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| 02:12.46 | A-KO | anyone here have a logitech G9x? |
| 02:13.46 | foxlit | should get the diablo-branded xai |
| 02:14.22 | foxlit | http://steelseries.com/products/games/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-mmo-mouse-legendary-edition << again? |
| 02:14.51 | foxlit | hm, like what they're doing with the thumb buttons |
| 02:15.46 | foxlit | "-Design that resembles the power of the Legendary Thunderfury weapon." |
| 02:16.31 | Wobin | O.o |
| 02:17.47 | kd3 | is amused at the picture headlining ars' review of the new mac mini |
| 02:17.58 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/08/ars-reviews-the-2011-mac-mini.ars |
| 02:20.53 | Arrowmaster | odd picture |
| 02:21.06 | Thunder_Child | i like how it has 1 firewire but 4 usb |
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| 02:22.45 | Arrowmaster | remember when everything from apple used firewire? yeah i think they learned their lesson |
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| 02:23.54 | Thunder_Child | if they were not so high and mighty more people might actually use the other stuff they make. Though i think appletalk would have died no matter what. |
| 02:26.05 | Kraps | holy shit http://twitter.com/#!/ExtraCreditz/status/101082907388551168 http://www.facebook.com/notes/alexander-macris/a-response-on-extra-credits/10150287107583910 |
| 02:27.04 | foxlit | the facebook is a log-in page |
| 02:27.12 | foxlit | and the twitter is content-free |
| 02:27.18 | Corrodias | duplicated here. http://pastebin.com/pri4L43G |
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| 02:28.11 | Kraps | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/je213/ive_always_figured_the_escapist_were_a_pack_of/c2bcams |
| 02:28.16 | Corrodias | long story short, the people who produce Extra Credits and the site that used to host them are having a little tiff over intellectual property, misuse of charitable funds, and other stuff |
| 02:29.56 | Corrodias | the two sides of the story differ on fundamental points, so a court will probably get involved eventually, which supposedly neither side can afford. |
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| 02:30.43 | foxlit | will this be the end of extra credits? There may be much rejoicing. |
| 02:33.08 | Kraps | feh at you foxlit |
| 02:33.35 | foxlit | what? The show is more annoying than entertaining :) |
| 02:33.54 | Kraps | your opinion is WRONG! |
| 02:36.00 | Kraps | Corrodias: they seem amicable about trading info |
| 02:37.26 | Corrodias | looks like some gross misunderstandings and bad feelings going on. think trading info will clear it up so easily? |
| 02:37.58 | Corrodias | only fools and critics watch a show that annoys them, and we don't have to respect the former. |
| 02:38.35 | Kraps | points accusingly at foxlit |
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| 03:03.02 | Thunder_Child | Is Eclipse not user friendly or am i just a moron? |
| 03:04.46 | airtonix | you're just a moron and it's not that user friendly |
| 03:04.59 | airtonix | you have to meet it half way |
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| 03:05.36 | airtonix | that's why i just go back to using gEdit, because I'm not willing to give up being a moron |
| 03:06.09 | airtonix | <shampoo hair advert hair shake/> |
| 03:06.32 | Thunder_Child | thats why i am using notepad++ |
| 03:06.41 | airtonix | that's why I don't use windows |
| 03:09.00 | airtonix | Thunder_Child: omg you broke my alt + tab |
| 03:09.12 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: good |
| 03:09.16 | Thunder_Child | Thunder_Child++ |
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| 03:25.20 | airtonix | airtonix++ |
| 03:25.44 | airtonix | anyway Thunder_Child, whats the problem with eclipse? |
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| 03:39.20 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: it's confusing |
| 03:39.55 | airtonix | yeah the method for changing settings isn't consistent |
| 03:40.22 | airtonix | and the keyboard shortcuts are so extensive and by default so foreign, that setting it up the way you want is such a tedious task |
| 03:40.58 | airtonix | and it behaves differently when selecting blocks of text and auto ident etc etc to what i'm used to with gedit |
| 03:41.19 | airtonix | at the moment the only thing i like about it is the auto format feature in aptana |
| 03:41.22 | mckenziemc | then don't indent or select text |
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| 03:41.27 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 03:41.28 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: eclipse is a total nightmare at first |
| 03:41.35 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:41.37 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Eventually it becomes simply 'less than helpful' |
| 03:42.05 | Iriel | On the plus side, it's refactoring support is excellent, and its emacs bindings actually work |
| 03:42.56 | Thunder_Child | is it worth it to write it in something else then bring it in there to compile? |
| 03:43.08 | Iriel | Personally I'd go with 'no' |
| 03:43.11 | Iriel | learn to deal with it |
| 03:43.14 | Iriel | it grows on you |
| 03:43.30 | Thunder_Child | to less than helpful? |
| 03:43.30 | Iriel | and you start to remember where the sharp edges are |
| 03:43.36 | Thunder_Child | doesnt sound worth it |
| 03:43.51 | Iriel | I was being a little bit sarcastic 8-) |
| 03:44.00 | Iriel | I do java work in eclipse by choice these days. |
| 03:44.03 | Thunder_Child | missed that then |
| 03:44.22 | Iriel | It's not _friendly_ but it is _capable and effective_ |
| 03:44.43 | Iriel | If you learn how it works then it can make your life a lot easier |
| 03:44.50 | Iriel | it's only a pain in the ass when you go off reservation |
| 03:45.40 | Thunder_Child | how does it compare to IntelliJ IDEA and Borland JBuilder? |
| 03:45.48 | Thunder_Child | other than being free |
| 03:46.05 | Iriel | I can't say. |
| 03:46.26 | Iriel | Haven't tried either of those |
| 03:46.40 | Iriel | Some folks at work prefer netbeans |
| 03:46.43 | Iriel | Frankly I find it unusable |
| 03:46.50 | Iriel | but not for reasons of its abilities to handle code |
| 03:51.54 | Kraps | Firefox 7 uses less memory than Firefox 6 (and 5 and 4): often 20% to 30% less, and sometimes as much as 50% less. In particular, Firefox 7â²s memory usage will stay steady if you leave it running overnight, and it will free up more memory when you close many tabs. |
| 03:52.18 | Thunder_Child | uh...by overnight to they mean months at a time? |
| 03:52.20 | mckenziemc | yay |
| 03:53.46 | Kraps | mines usually a week at a time |
| 03:55.26 | Iriel | I shut my desktop down nightly, does that make me a freak these days amongst you lot? |
| 03:56.05 | Thunder_Child | i would guess yes |
| 03:56.12 | Thunder_Child | not sure why you do that |
| 03:56.19 | mckenziemc | i shut mine down nightly but using hibernation |
| 03:56.21 | Thunder_Child | unless it's to save money |
| 03:56.29 | Iriel | No need to keep it on, i'm not here. |
| 03:56.44 | kd3 | minecrafters not reading r/minecraft: these accounts have been compromised: http://pastebin.com/a1xKTX8u |
| 03:57.26 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/jdu2g/these_minecraft_accounts_have_been_compromised/ |
| 03:57.27 | Iriel | cameron1901 is in the list twice |
| 03:59.11 | Xyphoid | what exactly would i do with that info |
| 03:59.28 | Iriel | Presumably if your account was on the list, you'd change your password |
| 03:59.30 | kd3 | if you know anyone with one of those accounts, yell at them for being idiots falling to a phish attempt |
| 03:59.47 | kd3 | though more of a successful phish rather than an attempt... |
| 04:06.07 | Dagmar | Only 37 accounts? Pfft. |
| 04:10.22 | Kraps | lolminecraft |
| 04:15.10 | sylvanaar | anyone tried this http://coderwall.com/sylvanaar |
| 04:16.21 | Xyphoid | gamification is so in |
| 04:16.35 | sylvanaar | someone read HN today |
| 04:17.04 | sylvanaar | what exactly is coderwall marketing? |
| 04:17.17 | Kraps | Xyphoid: i find it hard to buy into |
| 04:27.58 | Wobin | sylvanaar: the actual animals used seem a bit... arbitary |
| 04:29.48 | Iriel | Isn't the kimodo dragon found near Java |
| 04:29.59 | Iriel | and the bear is a symbol for california, where apple is based |
| 04:30.03 | Iriel | it's not THAT arbitrary |
| 04:30.15 | Iriel | Komodo even |
| 04:30.33 | Iriel | I am the walrus - the beatles had 4 members (4 languages) |
| 04:30.58 | Cairenn | Iriel r smrt! |
| 04:31.07 | Iriel | flexes |
| 04:31.13 | Cairenn | swoons |
| 04:31.27 | Iriel | You only want me for my mind |
| 04:31.29 | Iriel | winks. |
| 04:31.38 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 04:34.41 | Iriel | doesn't like the new penny arcade site design |
| 04:35.49 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGGsZZWzZA |
| 04:36.05 | Dagmar | There's a new site design on PA? |
| 04:36.13 | Dagmar | Must be a minor change |
| 04:36.50 | Iriel | http://beta.penny-arcade.com/ |
| 04:40.43 | Kraps | Mercede Johnston will be in playboy |
| 04:41.14 | Kraps | as a comment says, shes the sister of the ex-boyfriend of the daughter of a failed vice presidential candidate. |
| 04:42.46 | Dagmar | Iriel: Oh weird |
| 04:44.02 | Iriel | Dagmar: I dont mind the comic page, but I dont like that they've moved the focus of the landing page from the article to that horrific hero area at the top |
| 04:45.15 | Iriel | Dagmar: and I dont really like the removal of the home button (in favor of you having to know to click the logo) |
| 04:45.25 | Dagmar | I don't like the flipbook. |
| 04:45.52 | Dagmar | Clicking on a logo is something I expect to take me to the top of a site tho |
| 04:46.22 | Iriel | nods, it's not that unusual, I just prefer to have the button at the top |
| 04:48.06 | kd3 | wait, what? http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219022/Microsoft_patches_1990s_era_Ping_of_Death_ |
| 04:48.45 | Dagmar | What about it |
| 04:48.52 | Dagmar | They never actually fixed most of that stuff, kd3 |
| 04:49.18 | Dagmar | Mostly what they did was add a hook to catch the specific nasty packet that was being circulated at hte moment |
| 04:49.36 | Dagmar | Teardrop kept working for me for like six months after it was supposedly patched (for example) |
| 04:49.44 | karl_w_w | no they did fix it in vista |
| 04:49.55 | Dagmar | ...because I just modified my rinky-dink tool to abuse the victim host in a marginally different way |
| 04:50.27 | Iriel | karl_w_w: They probably replaced the network stack rather than fix the bug |
| 04:51.26 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 04:51.49 | karl_w_w | how is that different? |
| 04:52.49 | karl_w_w | idk about you but when I complete rewrite something I consider bugs on the old version to be irrelevant :P |
| 04:53.31 | Iriel | Yes, but if you've got several million deployed instances of the old version, and upgrading isn't a trivial or free operation, it's different |
| 04:54.43 | Iriel | I view "making a bug irrelevant" as different from "fixing a bug" as the 2nd implies you know what was wrong and what to do to correct a defect, the 1st simply implies you can (probably) avoid causing the exact same bug the second time around. |
| 04:54.48 | karl_w_w | im just waiting for the patch that fixes programs stealing focus all the time |
| 05:06.40 | Kraps | look at the bottom of the OP O_o http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.305971-So-Extra-Credits-is-no-longer-on-The-Escapist-UPDATED |
| 05:08.32 | Kraps | it may have no bearing on the EC problem, but where there's smoke... |
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| 05:34.20 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: i dont know what you dont like about NetBeans, it is more user friendly. |
| 05:37.11 | Iriel | I'm an emacs user, their emacs binding is horribly deficient |
| 05:37.14 | Iriel | I find it unusable |
| 05:37.51 | Iriel | I wish that wasn't the case, there are some things it does very well from a code perspective |
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| 05:48.18 | Wobin | haha, cunning: http://www.news.com.au/world/right-wing-rockers-punked-by-free-t-shirts-at-berlin-festival/story-e6frfkyi-1226112122299 |
| 05:51.17 | haste | click Wobin's link on IRC, click Wobin's link on twitter |
| 05:51.23 | haste | fffuuu slightly |
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| 05:51.42 | Wobin | haste: haha |
| 05:51.50 | Wobin | you could click it on G+ tioo! |
| 05:52.51 | haste | no, G+ reveals too much to fool me :P |
| 05:53.02 | karl_w_w | so what message replaces it? |
| 05:53.44 | kd3 | "Hi, I'm a right-wing extremist idiot too stupid to notice my shirt changed after washing it." |
| 05:55.43 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 05:55.57 | airtonix | kd3: are you happy with your kkk membership? |
| 05:56.26 | kd3 | you betcha. love the smell of white supremacy in the morning |
| 05:56.49 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 06:00.05 | starlon | o.O |
| 06:00.13 | starlon | jewmad |
| 06:00.28 | airtonix | dials the JDL hotline |
| 06:00.43 | starlon | JDL? |
| 06:00.50 | airtonix | are you american? |
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| 06:00.54 | starlon | yep |
| 06:01.02 | airtonix | and you don't know what the JDL is ? |
| 06:01.04 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:01.10 | starlon | I suck at acronyms |
| 06:01.18 | airtonix | Jewish Defense League |
| 06:01.25 | starlon | Oh never heard of it :) |
| 06:01.40 | starlon | Is that like the NWO or something? |
| 06:01.46 | airtonix | keep making non arse licking comments about jews in public and you will |
| 06:01.53 | starlon | lol |
| 06:02.41 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:10.55 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: i'm american and jewish and i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 06:11.04 | airtonix | shame on you |
| 06:11.08 | starlon | lol |
| 06:11.19 | Thunder_Child | gee, it's like you are a family member |
| 06:11.40 | airtonix | Theodor Herzl would be rolling in his grave had he heard you say that |
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| 06:16.09 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: had to look up who that was |
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| 06:17.10 | airtonix | how are you a jew then? |
| 06:17.15 | airtonix | by relation? |
| 06:17.17 | Thunder_Child | birth |
| 06:17.22 | airtonix | yeah so |
| 06:17.49 | airtonix | not every child that is born of christian parents is a christian |
| 06:18.06 | Thunder_Child | but you are in judisim |
| 06:18.10 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:18.15 | airtonix | anway |
| 06:18.23 | airtonix | how's eclipse going? |
| 06:18.31 | Thunder_Child | i prefer beans |
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| 06:40.04 | Fisker | i'm sick kd3 |
| 06:50.47 | Fisker | what about you Sixen ? |
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| 06:53.17 | Sixen | I'm getting over being sick |
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| 07:03.19 | Fisker | yay Sixen |
| 07:03.32 | Fisker | so did you know whether or not artisans were per character or account? |
| 07:03.55 | Sixen | per character |
| 07:05.23 | Fisker | k |
| 07:05.35 | Fisker | i was thinking that is kinda silly |
| 07:05.45 | Fisker | because you'll just use your mains artisan anyway? |
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| 07:19.02 | Fisker | oh btw Sixen |
| 07:19.04 | Fisker | if you're still there |
| 07:19.10 | Fisker | when i login to the Diablo 3 forums |
| 07:19.12 | Fisker | i appear just fine |
| 07:19.25 | Fisker | but when i want to make a post it asks me to login to "Battle.net english" |
| 07:19.31 | Fisker | so i tried the same credentials |
| 07:19.33 | Fisker | they won't work |
| 07:19.37 | Fisker | my battle.net info won't work either |
| 07:19.39 | Fisker | so i QQ'd |
| 07:19.41 | Fisker | any idea+ |
| 07:19.43 | Fisker | ? |
| 07:20.11 | nevcairiel | you got banned |
| 07:21.49 | Fisker | i had sex with your mother nevcairiel |
| 07:22.00 | nevcairiel | how was it? |
| 07:22.18 | Fisker | idk |
| 07:22.22 | nevcairiel | i figure it might be a bit odd, with her being dead and all |
| 07:23.34 | Sixen | you need to use a D2 or LoD cdkey |
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| 07:26.07 | Fisker | yeah Sixen |
| 07:26.13 | Fisker | fuck them for having me install D2 |
| 07:27.11 | Fisker | i verily much remember posting their with my warcraft 3 account though |
| 07:27.13 | Fisker | deymad? |
| 07:29.16 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if we subject blizzard to an in person visit from Fisker we can get D3 faster. |
| 07:29.28 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:30.06 | zenzio | I'm sure it'd change their view on what "diabolical" meant |
| 07:30.21 | Thunder_Child | heh, final boss of the game has Fisker's face |
| 07:30.49 | Thunder_Child | and trolls you to death |
| 07:31.16 | nevcairiel | nah, they would just give it to some smallish side-boss |
| 07:34.57 | Fisker | see Sixen |
| 07:35.03 | Fisker | and now some Warcraft jerk is posting |
| 07:35.10 | Fisker | so he used his warcraft 3 account with a d2 key or what? |
| 07:35.15 | Fisker | is confused |
| 07:35.34 | Sixen | ya |
| 07:35.35 | Sixen | you can do that |
| 07:36.15 | Fisker | jerks |
| 07:36.21 | Fisker | so i made a diablo 2 account without having to |
| 07:38.20 | Fisker | btw Sixen |
| 07:38.27 | Fisker | they removed citation needed from the beta boxart |
| 07:38.30 | Fisker | so beta today |
| 07:38.32 | Fisker | amirite? |
| 07:38.35 | Sixen | lol, nah |
| 07:38.55 | Sixen | imo, they'll probably announce it at gamescom next week or somethin |
| 07:39.02 | Fisker | probably |
| 07:39.17 | Fisker | they need something to counter Valve in nerdgasm |
| 07:39.18 | haste | beta today, Fisker tomorrow |
| 07:39.19 | Fisker | hoho |
| 07:39.23 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:39.26 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 07:39.50 | haste | I'm typnig with qwerty, it hurts :( |
| 07:40.09 | Fisker | btw Sixen |
| 07:40.38 | Fisker | if i recall correctly the reason why you could install SC2 early was that you could exploit the regional lockouts if i recall correctly |
| 07:40.44 | Fisker | don't think you could actually login though |
| 07:40.57 | haste | Fisker: if I recall correctly ....... if I recall correctly |
| 07:41.17 | Fisker | haste |
| 07:41.23 | Fisker | I had sex with your mom last night |
| 07:41.25 | Fisker | uglad+ |
| 07:41.26 | Fisker | ? |
| 07:42.07 | Fisker | doesn't look like it |
| 07:42.08 | Fisker | bam |
| 07:42.43 | haste | Fisker: shiiiiiiiii- |
| 07:46.58 | Thunder_Child | i dont think the beta is going to be out soon |
| 07:47.36 | Fisker | the beta of your mom Thunder_Child ? |
| 08:00.02 | Thunder_Child | she has already been released Fisker |
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| 08:08.11 | starlon | does a robot dance. |
| 08:08.16 | starlon | kicks up some dust. |
| 08:16.15 | haste | http://www.businessinsider.com/trojan-t-shirts-neo-nazis-2011-8 with pictures after the wash as well |
| 08:18.28 | starlon | lol |
| 08:21.53 | Fisker | u sound mad |
| 08:24.57 | karl_w_w | airtonix what's a "bar back" |
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| 08:26.59 | airtonix | urdum |
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| 08:27.51 | zenzio | think you typoed Uldum |
| 08:28.10 | starlon | O.O |
| 08:28.37 | blu|hungry | *eats starlon* |
| 08:28.48 | starlon | was poisonous. |
| 08:29.07 | blu|hungry | O_O |
| 08:29.14 | blu|hungry | time to go pump my stomach brb |
| 08:29.37 | karl_w_w | he was poisonous until I sanitised him last week |
| 08:29.43 | starlon | ssh |
| 08:32.59 | starlon | sicks http://i.imgur.com/dPbvf.jpg on karl_w_w. |
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| 08:39.48 | karl_w_w | sicks on starlon |
| 08:39.49 | Fisker | blu|hungry |
| 08:39.50 | Fisker | imad |
| 08:40.24 | Fisker | Hi all.Im playing world of warcraft since it cames.I was trying to play with a new characther so i went to Dragonmaw.Today im trying to login but i cant login.The realm selection screen comes and there is onlt a realm named Arena Pass 1.Please help me |
| 08:40.26 | Fisker | MYTH BUSTED |
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| 08:42.08 | starlon | frisks Fisker. |
| 08:42.19 | starlon | you got any WMDs? |
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| 08:44.20 | blu|hungry | â¦.. |
| 08:44.25 | Fisker | whey blu|hungry |
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| 08:44.29 | blu|hungry | playa needs to be taught about the maintence |
| 08:44.44 | blu|hungry | *places fisker on a pizza , cooks and eats him* |
| 08:45.01 | Fisker | you sound mad blu|hungry |
| 08:45.02 | Fisker | umad? |
| 08:45.13 | starlon | hey's hungry |
| 08:45.16 | starlon | and blue |
| 08:46.22 | starlon | blu, what's with the morse code? |
| 08:47.42 | starlon | prepare for the politics |
| 08:47.45 | starlon | Pranab Mukherjee was right when he said GDP will rise this year. He meant Gas, Diesel & Petrol. |
| 08:47.48 | starlon | (via @Mayank_G_007 on Twitter) |
| 08:47.53 | starlon | snickers and dies. |
| 08:54.35 | airtonix | Fisker: my transformer is better than yours |
| 08:55.09 | Fisker | no |
| 08:55.21 | airtonix | oh yes but it is |
| 08:56.34 | blu|hungry | om nom nom nom nom |
| 08:58.32 | airtonix | hey Arrowmaster doesn't the intro animation style of Michiko to Hatchin remind you of cowboy bebop? |
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| 09:28.33 | Fisker | e/me airtonix |
| 09:28.35 | Fisker | damnit |
| 09:28.51 | airtonix | noob |
| 09:29.28 | airtonix | airtonix: 1, fisker: 0 |
| 09:29.47 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 09:29.49 | Fisker | 1-1 |
| 09:29.50 | Fisker | dick |
| 09:29.58 | airtonix | yumadtho? |
| 09:31.19 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 09:32.37 | airtonix | hello |
| 09:35.12 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 09:35.14 | Fisker | i like you |
| 09:35.17 | Fisker | not so much you though bluspacecow |
| 09:35.29 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 09:35.48 | starlon | is Fisker why you're so blue? |
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| 09:37.51 | bluspacecow | no |
| 09:38.19 | starlon | is it me? |
| 09:38.24 | starlon | nah you just met me |
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| 09:41.12 | bluspacecow | nah its cause back when BC just hit |
| 09:41.25 | bluspacecow | there was some random dranei in SW and someone went "there goes a bluspacecow" |
| 09:41.32 | bluspacecow | i thought that was a good name for a toon so â¦. |
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| 09:47.05 | Thunder_Child | my friend calls them space goats |
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| 09:59.15 | karl_w_w | Fisker why does my right trainer have a cavity? |
| 09:59.45 | Fisker | your mom karl_w_w |
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| 10:00.26 | zenzio | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1988 |
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| 10:01.52 | jnwhiteh | there we go, sorry about that >< |
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| 10:19.51 | karl_w_w | my guild 135 members, 0 dwarves |
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| 10:21.48 | haste | that's because you play horde! |
| 10:21.53 | haste | ~rimshot |
| 10:21.53 | purl | badum-TISH! |
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| 11:00.38 | starlon | We're being watched. |
| 11:01.18 | starlon | That used to incite chuckles, but today it's the undeniable truth. |
| 11:04.14 | zenzio | http://lolpics.se/pics/27254.jpg |
| 11:05.53 | haste | so glad it doesn't run correctly under wine |
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| 11:15.30 | Fisker | why haste ? |
| 11:15.47 | Fisker | Then every time someone mentions deus ex you just install it and spend several hours trying to get it to work |
| 11:16.05 | haste | no, I spent about 15min |
| 11:16.15 | haste | and now I just fallback to "it doesn't work" |
| 11:17.55 | Fisker | but new versions of wine are released all the time |
| 11:18.03 | Fisker | and there are even modified versions of deus ex |
| 11:18.06 | Fisker | it could work! |
| 11:18.19 | haste | yes, but I'm too lazy to re-test ofte! |
| 11:18.28 | haste | s/!/n!/ |
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| 11:24.45 | Fisker | you're not going to be |
| 11:25.35 | nevcairiel | isnt the new deus ex coming out soonish |
| 11:25.46 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:25.53 | Fisker | but that won't run on wine either LOL |
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| 15:11.17 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: tell the person it's NAT their problem |
| 15:11.18 | airtonix | watch, but don't touch |
| 15:11.34 | airtonix | touch, but don't taste |
| 15:12.33 | zenzelezz | sounds like boring sex |
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| 15:24.14 | airtonix | zenzelezz: you mean there's other kinds? |
| 15:26.22 | alestane | "Mr. Raven describes sex as 'an over-rated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds,' and then goes on to wonder why anyone bother translating the erotic textbooks of medieval India. Perhaps one reason to do so is that so many people still consider sex an over-rated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds...may I assure Mr. Raven that the performance he attended was not of concert standard." |
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| 15:29.17 | airtonix | hoho |
| 15:29.36 | airtonix | the feeling of anticipation |
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| 15:42.35 | Korale | anyone do rated bgs? |
| 15:43.32 | alestane | http://news.yahoo.com/midwestern-mom-sends-wall-street-message-plane-190339109.html |
| 15:51.56 | starlon | sex is a concert? |
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| 15:53.58 | Maldivia | intro, high notes, low notes, slow numbers, fast numbers, ending and encore... sure |
| 15:54.38 | durcyn | and something most people in this channel will never see |
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| 15:55.15 | Maldivia | define "see" ;) |
| 15:55.16 | Corrodias | hot damn, you burned them good, son. |
| 15:55.26 | Corrodias | yee haw. |
| 15:59.28 | Kraps | i think durcyn is confusing this channel with wow/youtube/reddit etc |
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| 16:02.02 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:02.12 | Cairenn | wagon |
| 16:07.06 | Kraps | http://chzmemeafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/naughty-memes-untitled5.jpg |
| 16:09.02 | bleeter | http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/ |
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| 16:10.10 | Cairenn | that's just wrong |
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| 16:17.20 | vhaarr | bleeter: awesome, that's pure win |
| 16:17.21 | vhaarr | thank you |
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| 16:19.09 | Arrowmaster | quite awesome |
| 16:25.58 | bleeter | Cairenn: well I lol'd, so ... pffft |
| 16:26.07 | bleeter | :P |
| 16:26.24 | Cairenn | Didn't say I didn't laugh ;) |
| 16:27.05 | Fisker | shit |
| 16:27.13 | Fisker | so apparently germany is the hero europe needs |
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| 16:28.59 | robokitty | there's a surprise |
| 16:32.28 | Kraps | but not the hero it deserves |
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| 16:40.11 | bluspacecow | If your initials are MA and you just added me on G+ pls /query me |
| 16:41.24 | alestane | Can anyone explain just why "printData(string word, ofstream fout)" throws a member-access error at compile time, but "printData(string word, ofstream& fout)" doesn't? |
| 16:42.32 | zenzelezz | got any code to show? |
| 16:42.44 | bluspacecow | what langauge is that ? swahilli ? |
| 16:42.50 | zenzelezz | C++ |
| 16:43.05 | bluspacecow | ahh |
| 16:43.07 | bluspacecow | ignore me |
| 16:43.10 | bluspacecow | people often do :) |
| 16:43.59 | nevcairiel | ofstream is a object, passing those around by value isnt always really useful |
| 16:44.09 | Korale | ^ |
| 16:44.26 | Korale | printData/2 doesn't want a reference of ofstream |
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| 16:45.05 | zenzelezz | lack of usefulness alone shouldn't give such an error |
| 16:45.21 | Korale | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_(C%2B%2B) |
| 16:45.45 | alestane | My supposition is that it has something to do with having to instantiate another object on the stack. |
| 16:45.46 | nevcairiel | it probably lacks a constructor or operator to pull that off |
| 16:46.01 | alestane | http://pastebin.com/HDUDtzX4 |
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| 16:46.02 | zenzelezz | possibly |
| 16:46.17 | alestane | It gives me the dreaded C2248 error. |
| 16:46.50 | alestane | If the contents of printData are commented out, still get the error. If the whole function is commented out, no error. |
| 16:47.06 | Korale | is this homework or something? |
| 16:47.06 | alestane | Ergo, it's the declaration pissing it off. |
| 16:47.15 | alestane | My brother's learning to program. |
| 16:47.33 | nevcairiel | C++'s STL isnt really the best place to start programming |
| 16:47.36 | Korale | go read up on the diff between objects, pointers and references |
| 16:47.38 | nevcairiel | its full of odd looking errors |
| 16:47.47 | Korale | nevcairiel: I wouldn't go that far |
| 16:49.30 | alestane | Korale, I *know* the difference. The main question becomes, "why does passing that as an object actually break, rather than just be ugly?" |
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| 16:49.59 | alestane | And yes, presumably it's because the STL doesn't want two objects owning the same file. |
| 16:50.49 | [Wobin] | bluspacecow: if you figure it out, let me know =P |
| 16:50.51 | zenzelezz | "You are trying to copy a stream, which is not possible. " -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6661257/error-c2248-stdbasic-ios-elem-traitsbasic-ios-cannot-access-private-m |
| 16:50.54 | [Wobin] | as to who MA is |
| 16:51.00 | zenzelezz | so as nevcairiel said, no copy constructor |
| 16:51.10 | bluspacecow | figure what out wobin ? |
| 16:51.17 | Kraps | hey Jamash |
| 16:51.29 | [Wobin] | <bluspacecow> If your initials are MA and you just added me on G+ pls /query me |
| 16:51.37 | nevcairiel | Ah, they made the baseclasses constructor private |
| 16:51.43 | nevcairiel | that would trigger that error, indeed |
| 16:51.46 | bluspacecow | its not you silly wobin |
| 16:52.05 | [Wobin] | yeah, I dunno who he is either, but he added me |
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| 16:52.40 | [Wobin] | which is my point of, "If you figure out who he is, let me know too" |
| 16:53.32 | alestane | Yes, it was complaining that a derived class was trying to access a private member of a base class. |
| 16:54.11 | nevcairiel | I always get a headache reading those errors resulting from templates as it is |
| 16:54.38 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 16:56.06 | Korale | alestane: Why go c++ out the gate instead of something like python |
| 16:56.09 | alestane | The sad thing is that the reason it doesn't work is much simpler than the explanation the error message gives you. |
| 16:56.17 | alestane | He learned Visual Basic first. |
| 16:56.21 | Korale | ah |
| 16:56.30 | nevcairiel | Like i said, C++ STL is full of odd looking errors. :p |
| 16:57.00 | alestane | Then he wanted to get more advanced, so he took a class on C++. THe class is over but he's still doing homework to keep learning and practicing. |
| 16:57.10 | Korale | nevcairiel: Granted I'm biased, but I don't think the errors are too bad until you start o do crazy meta-template stuff |
| 16:57.33 | Korale | alestane: you should direct him to some of the projects on github |
| 16:57.38 | zenzelezz | Korale: perhaps, but they could most certainly be much clearer ;) |
| 16:57.50 | Korale | yeah, suppose I can't argue |
| 16:57.54 | nevcairiel | The errors very rarely directly point you to the problem |
| 16:57.55 | alestane | And yeah, I've been programming for years, including C++, and I still had to resort to trial-and-error to identify where the message was coming from. |
| 16:58.00 | nevcairiel | its always very vague |
| 16:58.54 | nevcairiel | I do C++ on a daily basis, and those errors still have me looking stuff up alot |
| 16:59.06 | nevcairiel | How is a newbie supposed to understand them? :p |
| 16:59.28 | zenzelezz | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/08/10/1615234/Google-Pulls-Plug-On-Programming-For-the-Masses |
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| 17:07.58 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow, [Wobin]: yeah he added me too |
| 17:08.13 | Fisker | kiss me |
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| 17:08.58 | Fisker | hey Torhal|work |
| 17:09.00 | Fisker | umad? |
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| 17:15.15 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 17:15.26 | bluspacecow | 4 posts from 5000 posts on the new forums |
| 17:16.02 | Korale | which? |
| 17:16.15 | bluspacecow | blizzard forums |
| 17:17.06 | Korale | "GAMES, ENTERTAINMENT AND TECHNOLOGY" ? |
| 17:17.13 | bluspacecow | all of them |
| 17:17.23 | bluspacecow | i post to MTS , CSF , TS and others i can find |
| 17:17.27 | bluspacecow | i drift around a lot |
| 17:20.22 | Fisker | i had like 3k posts |
| 17:20.25 | Fisker | but they're gone now bluspacecow |
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| 17:21.01 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 17:21.03 | Fisker | GONE |
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| 17:26.11 | [Wobin] | Cairenn: http://mind-killer.tumblr.com/post/8717543517/omfg-so-perfect |
| 17:27.20 | Cairenn | I never understand why people do shit like that to their pets |
| 17:27.36 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 17:27.51 | Fisker | buys a banana and eats it |
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| 17:31.33 | zenzelezz | this on the other hand, Cairenn: http://failblog.org/2011/08/06/epic-fail-photos-win-shark-week-sleeping-bag/ |
| 17:31.46 | Lunessa | It's bad enough people put them in costumes and sports jerseys |
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| 17:34.53 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: hehehehe |
| 17:35.42 | Cairenn | Lunessa: indeed ... but when they start dying their fur? I don't care if they use 'safe' dye, it's still just wrong, imo |
| 17:35.54 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 17:37.12 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 17:37.14 | Fisker | not so hey Lunessa |
| 17:38.07 | Cairenn | When I was a little kid, I would occasionally put ribbons in their hair or something silly like that, but I was a *child*, not a grown adult |
| 17:40.12 | Kraps | http://www.pixelpoppers.com/2011/08/blizzard-and-two-level-deception.html |
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| 17:45.50 | durcyn | everything bobby kotick touches turns to shit, this isn't news |
| 17:46.37 | Lunessa | gold-plated shit from a corporate standpoint. |
| 17:50.24 | Kraps | this guy seems pretty mad tho http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.306109-An-open-letter-to-James-and-Alexander |
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| 18:06.31 | blu|shower | dood that poor dog |
| 18:06.35 | blu|shower | weebo to the max |
| 18:08.49 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0051NPKS8/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending |
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| 18:14.10 | Fisker | hurr hur Kraps |
| 18:14.12 | Fisker | he stoopid |
| 18:14.16 | Fisker | "OMG BLIZZARD CAN SPAWN ITEMS" |
| 18:14.40 | Fisker | Obviously Blizzard could not just make accounts and characters at their own leisure to achieve the same thing |
| 18:14.59 | Fisker | hoho |
| 18:15.11 | Fisker | comparing WoW interface enhancements to Diablo 3 game conversions |
| 18:15.13 | Fisker | ell oh ell |
| 18:16.17 | bluspacecow | @xinny |
| 18:16.28 | bluspacecow | http://www.tuaw.com/2011/08/09/lions-ios-like-automatic-termination-not-ideal-for-some-users/ |
| 18:16.38 | bluspacecow | i go beds nows |
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| 18:18.37 | Fisker | nice feature bluspacecow |
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| 18:24.12 | TMc51 | hey |
| 18:26.51 | Cairenn | hi TMc51 |
| 18:28.04 | Fisker | cries while eating a banana that he bought for less than 20 cents |
| 18:29.13 | Fisker | all aussies are basically raging at my inexpensive bananas |
| 18:29.17 | TMc51 | is it just me, or is youtube a lot slower these days? Been trying to up a 200MB vid, and it's taking longer than 500MB+ vids usually do. |
| 18:29.34 | Fisker | some videos are slow others are not |
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| 18:29.52 | durcyn | it's you, it's entirely you, it's always been you, and it will always be you. |
| 18:30.46 | TMc51 | durcyn: Sounds almost like Obama's speach the other day. Replace 'you' with AAA, and it's pretty much word for word. =P |
| 18:31.27 | durcyn | be that as it may, the answer to the question "is my upstream saturated with porn and torrents or is google seriously fucking up" is always the obvious one |
| 18:32.00 | TMc51 | a little column a, a little column b. |
| 18:32.47 | Lunessa | TMc51 - Are you doing video of Cho'Gall last night? |
| 18:32.54 | TMc51 | yeah |
| 18:33.20 | TMc51 | i always tend to fraps fights when I've got space. |
| 18:45.35 | mikma | http://www.amusingplanet.com/2011/08/bubble-baba-challenge-2011-rafting-on.html |
| 18:45.42 | Kraps | i like pandora's new layout but its a bit "big" |
| 18:48.01 | Kraps | and i cant delete a station unless i'm listening to it lolwut |
| 18:48.50 | Lunessa | To heck with Pandora - Spotify it is |
| 18:49.37 | Kraps | nou |
| 18:54.00 | zenzelezz | http://27bslash6.com/chris.html |
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| 19:02.21 | Kraps | what the shit zenzelezz |
| 19:02.58 | zenzelezz | surely you're familiar with David Thorne? |
| 19:03.45 | Kraps | the name is nudging something in my brain |
| 19:04.16 | zenzelezz | he's a master of funny, fake articles |
| 19:04.56 | zenzelezz | poke around the site, look at the gems like: http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html -- http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p.html -- http://www.27bslash6.com/matthewsparty.html |
| 19:05.31 | Kraps | but those are real? |
| 19:05.41 | zenzelezz | nah |
| 19:05.42 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Thorne_%28writer%29 |
| 19:08.20 | Kraps | it doesnt say they're fake, at least one is real |
| 19:08.59 | Kraps | or am i being obtuse |
| 19:09.52 | zenzelezz | dpesm |
| 19:09.54 | zenzelezz | *doesn't say where? |
| 19:10.16 | Kraps | in the wiki article |
| 19:12.26 | zenzelezz | you're right, it doesn't, but being named "humourist, satirist" strongly suggests that everything is at the very least spiced up heavilyh |
| 19:12.29 | zenzelezz | *heavily |
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| 19:15.01 | durcyn | look at me, i'm incapable of recognizing humor in text, i live on the internet but really in a basement somewhere |
| 19:15.27 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 19:17.18 | zenzelezz | Thorne is somewhat like Fisker, except he writes on a website |
| 19:20.04 | olafski | this was one of the less fun ones tbh |
| 19:20.18 | zenzelezz | it started out better than it ended |
| 19:20.32 | zenzelezz | sadly I linked it after roughly the first third |
| 19:22.46 | durcyn | santorum on the kitchen cabinets is certainly a topic. |
| 19:25.02 | olafski | agreed zenzelezz.. nice try though ;-) |
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| 19:33.25 | Kraps | http://imgur.com/gallery/3YFTG |
| 19:36.38 | Lunessa | Chuck Norris. |
| 19:37.54 | Kraps | not sure what a technician is though. its a bit general |
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| 19:47.56 | olafski | megan fox |
| 19:48.09 | Kraps | http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/170/6/1/earth_colossus_by_chase_sc2-d3jdoxw.jpg |
| 19:48.20 | Kraps | shes hot |
| 19:48.28 | olafski | agreed |
| 19:48.37 | olafski | most of the things in that picture look pretty accurate ;) |
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| 19:53.07 | JoBbZ | does anyone have a recommendation for a piece of software to extract the current region blp's from MPQ files that works on windows? |
| 19:53.08 | Nechckn | waves to JoBbZ |
| 19:53.21 | JoBbZ | heya Nechckn :) |
| 19:54.05 | Torhal|work | JoBbZ: Start WoW in console mode, then at the log-in screen hit "~" to bring up the console and type "ExportInterfaceFiles art" |
| 19:54.29 | JoBbZ | Sweet, thanks! |
| 19:54.39 | JoBbZ | resurecting a 2yr dead mod :P |
| 19:54.43 | Torhal|work | Hehe |
| 19:54.54 | JoBbZ | all its blp's are pre-cata... doesn't work well ;) |
| 19:55.03 | AcidWeb | Necromancy! ;p |
| 19:55.21 | JoBbZ | that should be the next new class ;) |
| 19:55.24 | Fisker | you calling me a troll zenzelezz ? |
| 19:55.46 | Nechckn | recommends chicken bones and goat's blood to aid in your goal. |
| 20:01.29 | JoBbZ | completely seperate question -- Anyone know a good guide on making scaling interface bars? I have an addon I maintain that allows you to move the petbar around, and someone requested I make it scalable |
| 20:02.42 | AcidWeb | JoBbZ: SetScale is your new friend. |
| 20:03.19 | AcidWeb | JoBbZ: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetScale |
| 20:03.21 | JoBbZ | perfect, thanks! |
| 20:03.44 | JoBbZ | although I think they wanted to grab the corner and pull it to scale |
| 20:04.00 | JoBbZ | I can work with this ;) |
| 20:04.02 | AcidWeb | That is also doable. |
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| 20:23.22 | Kraps | http://www.virtualshackles.com/img/green_eggs_and_diablo.jpg |
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| 20:24.31 | Cide | win, Kraps |
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| 20:36.54 | JoBbZ | lol |
| 20:41.31 | Kraps | theres still no progress on the escapist vs EC story, although the Alex guy from the escapist is posting on their forums |
| 20:41.52 | foxlit | http://slacktory.com/2011/08/entire-facebook-terms-of-service-in-bro-speak/ |
| 20:47.40 | Kraps | foxlit: its twice as funny when you look at the real terms to compare |
| 20:48.21 | alestane | Actually, I think that version makes at least as much sense. |
| 20:48.42 | Dagmar | This whole load of shit seems to be increasing their site load |
| 20:48.49 | foxlit | "Why would we give you more notice for the shit that doesnâtinvolve money changing hands? Câmon. Think about it. You know why." |
| 20:49.49 | Kraps | the editorializing is great too "Donât put viruses on Facebook. In fact, donât runany code that hurts computers. (Holy fuck, I canât believe we have to tell people that.)" |
| 20:50.44 | foxlit | "LEGALLY WEâRE REQUIRED TO YELL THIS PART BECAUSE ITâS FUCKING IMPORTANT." |
| 20:51.06 | Kraps | lol |
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| 20:58.21 | foxlit | sigh, all the cool stuff is being released later :( |
| 20:58.33 | foxlit | it's like 5 days to Bastion :/ |
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| 21:02.42 | Dagmar | So would it be wrong to take a picture of that whackjob who shot up the political rally and his "crazy face" and put it next to a picture of Bachmann on Newsweek subtitled, "Separated At Birth"? |
| 21:02.53 | Dagmar | Both pictures definitely have the same crazy eyes |
| 21:03.49 | Kraps | foxlit: have you tried limbo or dungeons of dreanor (sp) |
| 21:03.49 | batbot | Kraps, nothing found. |
| 21:04.01 | foxlit | Kraps: limbo sounds meh |
| 21:04.29 | foxlit | dredmor, according to google |
| 21:04.49 | Kraps | have you tried that |
| 21:04.54 | foxlit | no |
| 21:05.30 | foxlit | looks like nethack with graphics? |
| 21:05.43 | Kraps | no idea |
| 21:06.00 | Torhal|work | Damn UK riots: http://i.imgur.com/C5XQm.gif |
| 21:06.42 | Dagmar | Heh. That's in Florida |
| 21:06.59 | Torhal|work | :D |
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| 21:09.00 | Dagmar | i'm thinking that for five bucks it's not a bad risk |
| 21:13.03 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: lol |
| 21:13.13 | Torhal|work | Heh |
| 21:20.02 | Dagmar | Okay, props to MOtorola for thinking ahead |
| 21:27.58 | Fisker | tickles Dagmar |
| 21:30.58 | Cide | dungeons of dredmor is like rogue |
| 21:31.08 | Cide | limbo is pretty nice but I have only played like 30 min |
| 21:33.19 | Kraps | what is rogue |
| 21:33.41 | Cide | basically dungeon crawler where you try to get as far as possible before dying |
| 21:33.41 | Arrowmaster | nethack |
| 21:33.48 | Cide | with lots of randomly generated stuff |
| 21:34.06 | Cide | and death is permanent so once you die you get to try all over again |
| 21:34.32 | Kraps | is it fun? |
| 21:34.33 | TMc51 | watch out for that grue |
| 21:34.41 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: whats nethack |
| 21:34.46 | Kraps | :D |
| 21:35.07 | Cide | haven't tried it |
| 21:35.07 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nethack |
| 21:35.11 | Cide | I read good stuff about it though |
| 21:35.25 | Arrowmaster | i got completely addicted to nethack one year, i still didnt get very far in the game though |
| 21:35.29 | Cide | psh, rogue was years before nethack |
| 21:35.33 | Cide | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_(video_game) |
| 21:36.50 | Xyphoid | angband was what ate my brain |
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| 21:52.17 | Cide | c++ question |
| 21:52.36 | Cide | I have a third-party library for parsing xml which lets me get a string as an int |
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| 21:53.10 | Cide | however I'm storing it as a short and I'd like to be able to tell if the int value does not fit in a short (in order to throw a parser error) |
| 21:53.12 | Cide | any ideas? |
| 21:53.44 | Cide | something that doesn't resort to bit checking or otherwise hacky solutions ideally |
| 21:54.22 | alestane | Store it into a long, first, and then compare it to the long cast of the maximum short constant? |
| 21:55.06 | Cide | not a bad idea |
| 21:55.11 | Cide | sounds about as good as I'll get |
| 21:55.42 | Cide | I'm thinking I should just document it as undefined behavior if there is no language feature to check for that though |
| 21:55.49 | Cide | thanks alestane |
| 21:56.06 | Cide | anything over a short is extremely unreasonable in my case |
| 21:56.39 | alestane | I don't recall i f static_cast<short>(convertedVal) will throw an exception or not if it gets an overflow. |
| 21:56.53 | Cide | it doesn't, I checked |
| 21:57.00 | Kraps | um halp? http://imagebin.org/167355 |
| 21:57.11 | Cide | it's basically a C-style cast that checks that the types aren't vastly incompatible |
| 21:57.19 | Cide | but no runtime checks |
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| 22:00.31 | Dagmar | Kraps: Maybe tell NoScript to let scripts run? (guess) |
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| 22:00.40 | Cide | Kraps: switch to the steam browser or the steam webpage, whichever you're not using in that screenshot? |
| 22:00.51 | Kraps | i dont have any blockers |
| 22:01.05 | Kraps | Cide: i was using a browser |
| 22:01.12 | Cide | try steam client then |
| 22:02.36 | alestane | I found a reference to a language feature for enforcing range safety, but it applies to C#. |
| 22:02.40 | Kraps | same blankness O_o |
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| 22:03.34 | kd3 | clear your IE cache and try again? |
| 22:03.53 | Dagmar | s/clear your IE cache/stop using IE/ |
| 22:04.12 | kd3 | kinda tough if you're using the steam browser |
| 22:04.22 | Arrowmaster | i thought steam used webkit now |
| 22:04.29 | Kraps | i'm not using ie and am offended at the suggestion |
| 22:04.41 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:04.55 | kd3 | wine keeps complaining that I need to install gecko when I run steam in a clean wineprefix |
| 22:05.07 | kd3 | so I would assume that it's still using mshtml |
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| 22:06.04 | alestane | And there is a class overflow_error defined in stdexcept, but it's not really stated that any built-in action will ever throw it. I presume it's a convenience, or maybe used by something in the STL. |
| 22:06.15 | Cide | nod |
| 22:06.44 | Cide | could just be a utility error provided for application use |
| 22:07.01 | Kraps | i could just click purchase and see what happens... |
| 22:07.39 | Dagmar | It's not OSX, so sure |
| 22:07.46 | Dagmar | It's not like it will charge you for the game 122 times |
| 22:07.55 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 22:07.55 | Kraps | hey it worked! |
| 22:08.00 | Cide | maybe you get it for free |
| 22:08.06 | Cide | what game did you get? |
| 22:08.10 | alestane | It does say that bitset uses it. |
| 22:08.19 | foxlit | maybe it couldn't fit all the 9s into the space |
| 22:08.35 | Kraps | Dungeons of Dredmor |
| 22:09.11 | Cide | Kraps: cool |
| 22:09.15 | Cide | let me know if it's fun |
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| 22:15.57 | Lunessa | This is promising: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/antiviral-0810.html |
| 22:16.41 | Dagmar | Holy shit gime |
| 22:16.44 | Dagmar | er gimme |
| 22:17.14 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5829210/gamification-is-bullshit |
| 22:17.16 | Dagmar | That's pretty awesome |
| 22:18.51 | alestane | Interesting, Lunessa, but if used carelessly I just see it forcing the hand of evolution again. |
| 22:19.18 | Kraps | the supervirus is closer than we think! |
| 22:19.31 | Lunessa | alestane: Life seeks survival. Even if it's microscopic and non-self-aware. |
| 22:20.10 | alestane | Doesn't even seek. But it creates variety, and selects from it ruthlessly. |
| 22:21.01 | alestane | If people start prescribing this for every little thing, I see a sudden explosion of prion morbidities, or something similar. |
| 22:27.15 | Dagmar | In the meantime there's a massive pile of good that can come from being able to eliminate many of the viruses that are basically just running rampant |
| 22:27.36 | starlon | fooking prawn |
| 22:28.29 | Lunessa | alestane: If it works and we can destroy, say Dengue Fever or HIV this way, then that's a risk I'm willing to run. :) |
| 22:28.34 | alestane | Pretty much all life includes codes for enzymes called polymerases that copy the genes. Some versions make more mistakes than others. The human version is pretty good, miscopying an average of three base pairs per cell division. |
| 22:29.13 | alestane | The one that's packaged with AIDS makes about one mistake per 10,000 base pairs IIRC, vastly more frequent. |
| 22:29.23 | Cide | like antibiotics I'm sure it must be used with the same restrictions |
| 22:29.29 | JoBbZ | anyone have a suggestion on a good BLP viewer for windows? |
| 22:29.35 | Cide | (don't stop halfway through treatment, don't overprescribe, etc) |
| 22:29.51 | Cide | naturally people have failed on both counts countless times |
| 22:30.12 | alestane | I'm not saying that the drug won't have useful applications. I'm saying that along the way it will likely be misused and plant the seeds of its own obsolescence. |
| 22:30.39 | Cide | could be |
| 22:30.50 | alestane | In other words, retroviruses like HIV have enormously high mutation rates compared to things like chordates. |
| 22:31.40 | Cide | depends, though |
| 22:31.49 | alestane | This is another example of selection at work...viruses packaged with efficient, accurate polymerases actually die out faster, and don't leave branch descendants. |
| 22:32.00 | Cide | my, albeit limited, understanding is that the mutation mostly prevents antigens from attaching |
| 22:32.58 | Cide | whereas a general approach that affects something like the double-stranded RNA production would have to be combated by a larger mutation that may very well alter the way the HIV virus functions |
| 22:33.10 | Cide | (I'm just speculating here) |
| 22:34.10 | alestane | Probably. It sounds like they're trying to attack a root mechanism that's currently exclusive to conventional viruses. That's a solid approach. But it won't last forever. It probably won't last 50 years. |
| 22:34.49 | Cide | I'd say that depends a lot on how it's used |
| 22:35.21 | alestane | Generational turnover in microorganisms is incomprehensibly faster than for complex individuals. |
| 22:35.39 | Cide | as far as I know bacteria's resistance to antiobiotics mostly comes from overprescription and not finishing the dose |
| 22:36.38 | Lunessa | Still, it's an interesting and clever approach, and if it turns out to be safe for use (nothing is ever 100% safe, but you get my point) then we may be able to save a lot of lives that otherwise wouldn't get saved, and we might be able to get rid of the common cold. |
| 22:36.48 | Dagmar | alestane: It would be long enough for the people with say, HIV, to die of natural causes |
| 22:36.56 | Cide | and from what I read a while back cutting down on prescriptions actually decreases resistance (since there is no longer an advantage having resistance when the antiobiotica is not being used, and bacteria mutate constantly, it goes away over time) |
| 22:37.16 | alestane | Also, while I'm in favor of making efforts to contain or eliminate most of these serious epidemics, I'm wary of anything that sounds like it's likely to be overused and give peoples' immune system less work. Could be we'll end up with a planet were no-one has AIDS, but every mast man, woman and child is fatally allergic to peanuts. |
| 22:37.57 | Dagmar | Like certain viruses that were only really around during the middle ages, but are now _almost_ nonexistant, we could make a lot of headway if we could eliminate, figuratively speaking, it's "installed base" |
| 22:37.57 | Cide | so I think you could prevent a lot of resistance by educating people not to stop treatment as soon as they feel healthy and by educating doctors to not overprescribe |
| 22:38.22 | alestane | Lunessa, what's the point of trying to get rid of the common cold? Firstly, it's actually something like 300 different viruses, and secondly, you miss work for a couple of days. We've got that one covered already. |
| 22:39.00 | Lunessa | alestane: Missing work for a couple of days adds up. Also, I'd like to live without it, ever again. |
| 22:39.01 | Cide | no real reason to unless it proves to be side-effect free (unlikely) |
| 22:39.31 | alestane | People make it sound like a triumph of the Grand Society, but I'm betting that Wells' martians thought they were making huge progress by eliminating its equivalent. |
| 22:41.03 | Dagmar | That sounds like someone declaring that cars will murder people on an hourly basis, and that people's heads will spontaneously hemmorhage at blinding speeds of 40mph |
| 22:42.45 | alestane | Let me just say that while it might be nice if we knew exactly what we were doing, it's just not that high on my priority list. |
| 22:43.37 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm interested in the potential. I concede your point about the law of unintended consequences. It's AGES from human trials. |
| 22:44.18 | Dagmar | Particularly since the medical industry is currently making a fortune from just treating symptoms |
| 22:44.33 | alestane | And I won't disagree about the potential, Lunessa. It's huge. I'm just saying that people will be people, and at least 7 times out of 9, that means that people will be idiots. |
| 22:44.43 | Dagmar | hah only 7? |
| 22:44.53 | alestane | I did say "at least". |
| 22:44.56 | Lunessa | mmm... 7 of 9 ... Jerri Ryan... |
| 22:45.10 | alestane | .....aaaand he's gone for a while. |
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| 22:45.40 | Thunder_Child | no kidding alestane |
| 22:48.29 | Lunessa | Work, work, work, work. Hello boys. |
| 22:48.46 | Thunder_Child | Blazing Saddles? |
| 22:49.04 | TMc51 | Where all da white women at? |
| 22:49.10 | alestane | And it could turn out that someone makes this thing, it's completely safe to use, and doesn't suffer from diminishing returns. How long before someone discovers that mixing it with methane and ammonia in their basement creates something that either renders people insensibly blissed-out, or reduces living flesh to an all-devouring proto-cellular sludge? |
| 22:49.44 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yes. |
| 22:50.15 | alestane | Pseudephedrine Hydrochloride is cheap, effective, and has a high toxicity threshold. But you can't get it in the States anymore without being treated like a criminal. |
| 22:51.46 | nevcairiel | thats because you have a ton of meth heads over there |
| 22:52.03 | Lunessa | Meth-heads everywhere |
| 22:52.53 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/no-not-that-kind-of-flash-pass/13030 |
| 22:56.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:01.23 | alestane | I don't know if it has anything to do with where meth-heads are. It was pushed through under cover of a public fear that drug money was funding terrorism. Which might even be true, but I'm curious how much restricting Sudafed has cut back on terrorism. |
| 23:02.22 | Thunder_Child | that notalwaysright post is shady, at one point it says 'him' |
| 23:07.00 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: It's pure fiction. But it made me laugh anyway. |
| 23:10.10 | kd3 | the sudafed thing is a joke |
| 23:10.24 | kd3 | worked as a pharmacy tech for a while at target |
| 23:10.56 | kd3 | we had what the pharmacists liked to call a "meth bus" come in every month or so. even though we knew that's what they were buying PSE for, we couldn't get the cops to do anything |
| 23:11.12 | Dagmar | alestane: Believe it or not here the meth heads have actually been stupid enough to go round buying a box or two at ten different stores in an afternoon |
| 23:11.42 | Dagmar | Soo... while that restricton is useless against terrorism, it's definitely resulting in the arrest of morons |
| 23:11.49 | kd3 | bunch of shady-ass suspicious people all coming in a few minutes apart with ID cards (not drivers' licenses... ID cards) all buying a box of PSE each |
| 23:12.03 | Dagmar | So long as the stores keep selling the good stuff to me, I'm fine with a bit more paperwork |
| 23:12.21 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah for that you just call the cops |
| 23:13.51 | Kraps | well cide, its actually pretty dificult |
| 23:14.00 | Cide | Kraps: naturally :) |
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| 23:15.14 | Kraps | never played a roguelike so i cant say what the pros vs cons are compared |
| 23:15.14 | Cide | that's the whole point |
| 23:15.22 | Cide | me neither, I just read a lot about it |
| 23:15.43 | Cide | gotta figure out a good build and don't do stupid things and have some luck |
| 23:15.48 | Dagmar | Kraps: You've _never_ played a Rogue-like? |
| 23:15.54 | Dagmar | boggles |
| 23:15.55 | Cide | ? |
| 23:16.00 | Cide | they're not particularly common these days |
| 23:16.03 | Dagmar | ...and you call yourself a gamer. |
| 23:16.03 | Cide | and not everyone is fifty years old |
| 23:16.07 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:16.26 | Dagmar | Go play Torchlight. |
| 23:16.27 | Dagmar | It's close. |
| 23:16.46 | Dagmar | Not as detailed as Nethack or something, but it's roughly the same thing |
| 23:16.48 | Cide | except torchlight is easy :/ |
| 23:16.51 | Kraps | ive played it, i found it pretty boring |
| 23:16.55 | Dagmar | Randomly generated dungeons, piles of loot |
| 23:17.17 | Dagmar | well, if you can deal with ASCII graphics (anyone whose played Dwarf Fortress won't even blink) then you can handle NetHack |
| 23:17.35 | Cide | torchlight is more action rpg in my understanding |
| 23:17.39 | Cide | but I guess there are similarities |
| 23:18.00 | Cide | wikipedia mentioned diablo as the "successor" of rogue-like games and torchlight is a total diablo ripoff |
| 23:18.38 | Dagmar | s/ripoff/munchkinization/ |
| 23:18.53 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/feeder-mice-not-included/13033 |
| 23:20.56 | Kraps | look, THIS is a computer, THAT is an animal, computers have NOTHING to do with animals, ERGO PYTHON CANNOT MEAN A SNAKE IN THIS CONTEXT |
| 23:25.08 | Kraps | anyway, i have a hard time with retro graphics |
| 23:25.25 | Cide | Shirik: why do you hate irc |
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| 23:48.53 | Chat4347 | who wants to chat sex to me? |
| 23:49.33 | Chat4347 | i am am a female who loves sex if anyone is tempted |
| 23:49.40 | Arrowmaster | go away |
| 23:50.21 | kd3 | hahahah |
| 23:50.22 | kd3 | hey Cairenn, dolby , jnwhiteh, Shadowed, Shirik ^ |
| 23:50.30 | Shadowed | hai? |
| 23:50.34 | Shadowed | !kb Chat4347 |
| 23:50.37 | Shadowed | oh we don't have that right |
| 23:50.43 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Chat4347!~Shadowed@li157-188.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (Chat4347) |
| 23:50.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@app9.chatmosphere.org] by Cairenn |
| 23:51.00 | dolby | damnit i wanted to chat |
| 23:51.00 | Cairenn | banned |
| 23:51.12 | Arrowmaster | it needs to be *!*@*.chatmosphere.org |
| 23:51.25 | Shadowed | it would be faster if we just banned Arrowmaster! |
| 23:51.40 | Cide | less whine about lack of bans, certainly! |
| 23:51.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@*.chatmosphere.org] by Cairenn |
| 23:52.32 | Cide | now he's doubly banned |
| 23:52.37 | Cide | eat that, sexchatters |
| 23:52.48 | Cide | or she, apparently |
| 23:54.32 | Cairenn | Yeah ... right |
| 23:54.50 | dolby | no fun :( |
| 23:57.12 | Cairenn | sowwy dolby |
| 23:57.32 | Cairenn | you could try /msg chat4347, might not have gotten the requested k-line yet |
| 23:57.37 | Cairenn | :p |
