| 00:00.06 | karl_w_w | hes perfectly fine using it |
| 00:00.26 | karl_w_w | festergut is the one who breathes it in and has problems :P |
| 00:00.40 | Fisker | karl_w_w backs down |
| 00:00.43 | Fisker | LIKE A BOSS |
| 00:01.18 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/Sm4e1.jpg |
| 00:01.28 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/xXJVV.jpg |
| 00:01.31 | Fisker | oh god |
| 00:01.33 | Fisker | i gotta sleep |
| 00:01.35 | Fisker | please bye |
| 00:02.19 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standoff_%28TV_series%29 |
| 00:02.24 | Kraps | pretty win |
| 00:02.34 | Kraps | shame its only 1 season |
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| 01:22.10 | dardack_ | ok i know some in here on linux, anyone with nvidia card, upgrade to 275.21 (july 2011) notice graphical glitches esp in FL/Molten Front? Had to downgrade backk to 260.19.44 (didn't try any other driver in between) to get rid of them. Although I was reading forums, even some window users of nvidia said they had to downgrade to a January driver to get rid of graphical issues that appeared in 4.2. Just wierd |
| 01:22.54 | A-KO | I haven't had any graphical issues |
| 01:23.00 | A-KO | and I use the latest drivers |
| 01:23.04 | dardack_ | hmmm |
| 01:23.07 | Arrowmaster | i heard somewhere that 275 was buggy, im using the 280 beta drivers |
| 01:23.26 | dardack_ | like this a-ko http://imageshack.us/f/196/wowgraphic.jpg/ |
| 01:23.45 | dardack_ | 280 beta i couldn't find, maybe 275 is last suppoorted for 260gtx? |
| 01:23.47 | Arrowmaster | anybody got any opinions on sub $300 laptops? walmart.com seems to have quite a few |
| 01:23.58 | Arrowmaster | dardack_: ive got a 275gtx |
| 01:24.46 | dardack_ | doh i did a search for 260m beta, nothing comes up if i change it i can see the 280 beta and it says the 260m is supported, srsly wtf |
| 01:24.56 | A-KO | I'm on 275 |
| 01:24.57 | A-KO | no problems |
| 01:24.59 | A-KO | getting 280 now |
| 01:25.03 | dardack_ | um i was debating getting my wife a sub 300 laptop |
| 01:25.05 | A-KO | 260M is your problem |
| 01:25.08 | Corrodias | i'm using 188.25 or so on windows, with my 260. |
| 01:25.15 | A-KO | don't buy crappy computers and expect to game on them :) |
| 01:25.19 | dardack_ | did you see my link what I was talking about? just like the rocks are wierd |
| 01:25.25 | dardack_ | 260 is bad? |
| 01:25.31 | Corrodias | M is bad |
| 01:25.41 | Corrodias | but how bad? maybe not that bad. |
| 01:25.41 | dardack_ | cause i'm on a laptop? |
| 01:25.43 | Arrowmaster | the laptop my dad got 2 years ago on black friday for $299 got stolen so looking for a replacement |
| 01:25.54 | A-KO | what you are seeing is either the result of crappy hardware or overheating |
| 01:26.06 | dardack_ | a-ko, never had issue |
| 01:26.17 | dardack_ | and i kkeep my stuff cool/clean, never max over 55c at max load |
| 01:26.38 | A-KO | how much did you spend on the laptop? |
| 01:26.58 | dardack_ | right now compiling 2 programs, running wow, along with other stuff, soorry 57c, sorry guess i was off by couple degrees, but still |
| 01:27.05 | dardack_ | on this 2 years ago 1.2k |
| 01:27.10 | dardack_ | no |
| 01:27.10 | dardack_ | 1k |
| 01:27.14 | dardack_ | it was on sale |
| 01:27.25 | A-KO | which brand? |
| 01:27.30 | dardack_ | duo core 2.53ghz, 6 gig ram, gtx260m 1gig |
| 01:27.31 | dardack_ | asus |
| 01:27.44 | A-KO | what's Asus got for its latest driver? |
| 01:28.11 | A-KO | sometimes vendors modify the video bioses in ways the default Nvidia drivers don't like |
| 01:28.13 | dardack_ | i'm just saying i upgraded to 275 at same time as 4.2, and it was giving me those things i linked, as soon as I downgraded to 260.19..44 (the one i used previous) those issues go away |
| 01:28.24 | dardack_ | i'm on linux, so asus don't support me |
| 01:28.29 | A-KO | there you go |
| 01:28.51 | dardack_ | i did say in my original statement i was on linux |
| 01:29.06 | dardack_ | i might try 280 beta and see if those issues are gone |
| 01:29.14 | A-KO | true, but the reality is you should expect problems :P |
| 01:29.15 | dardack_ | but was just curious other peoples experience |
| 01:29.26 | dardack_ | why? never have before and on 260 don't |
| 01:29.36 | dardack_ | raid 25/10 man easy, with mumble or mangler (vent) |
| 01:29.41 | A-KO | Because it's the nature of the beast |
| 01:29.52 | dardack_ | eh |
| 01:30.01 | A-KO | *under Windows* or even OSX for that matter, which are the ONLY two operating systems WoW officially supports, the game runs fine without issue. |
| 01:30.04 | A-KO | You're outside of the bounds |
| 01:30.14 | A-KO | expect problems--period. |
| 01:30.20 | A-KO | nothing's guaranteed. It could work one minute, not the next |
| 01:30.21 | dardack_ | no, there are posts by people in windows with nvidia that have graphical issues like mine |
| 01:30.35 | A-KO | And 50 million people post that they're having game latency, does that means it's the fault of the game? |
| 01:30.36 | A-KO | not really |
| 01:30.45 | dardack_ | i never said it was fault of wow |
| 01:30.56 | A-KO | Does that mean it's the fault of the driver? no. |
| 01:31.01 | dardack_ | was trying to gauge what other drivers people were using, got the info on 280, once i finish compiling gonna try it |
| 01:31.19 | A-KO | almost everyone here is very likely either on WIndows or OSX for gaming |
| 01:31.27 | A-KO | perhaps a few are here or there on linux or something |
| 01:31.29 | dardack_ | let's see, 275 causes issues on windows and for me on linux, not forr everyone but for some, downgrading driver on both systems causees them to go away, so either driver or wow |
| 01:31.39 | A-KO | 275 has caused no issues on WIndows. |
| 01:31.41 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: there are a large number of linux users in this channel |
| 01:31.42 | dardack_ | i know a few in here are on linux, why i asked |
| 01:31.54 | dardack_ | a-ko tell that to the peopel posting it has |
| 01:32.01 | A-KO | dardack: I do, all of the time. |
| 01:32.06 | A-KO | they're idiots :) |
| 01:32.55 | A-KO | and very likely speaking, THEIR graphical issue is not YOUR graphical issue |
| 01:33.04 | A-KO | again |
| 01:33.14 | dardack_ | so when someone posts: Jack, |
| 01:33.14 | dardack_ | I have an NVidia 470 and I had been having these exact same problems for the past 2-3 weeks as well--after the patch and when i started playing again (which points towards last Blizzard's patch). I found that I had to get the video drivers from back in January. Thats right... archived drivers, to get it to where it doesn't give that error message or send me to a blue screen. I have temp software which shows cpu no hotter than 45C a |
| 01:33.14 | dardack_ | t full load, all other MB components 30C or less, and video card no hotter than 75 at full load. I'm waiting for Blizz to start fixing their software so that i can finally start using the newer drivers again., therir an idiot because downgrading caused it to go away? |
| 01:33.32 | A-KO | GTX 460 1GB here, having run 275 even up until this evening where I was in the firelands |
| 01:33.36 | dardack_ | i know they aren't exactly the same |
| 01:33.36 | A-KO | overclocked GTX 460 for that matter |
| 01:33.47 | A-KO | yes, his blue screening is not your problem |
| 01:33.49 | dardack_ | ok but even buggy drivers will work for most people without issues |
| 01:33.51 | A-KO | so why are you caring what he's doing? |
| 01:34.22 | A-KO | for all you know he could have problematic hardware configuration. The only way you could potentially blame the driver is if other people are experiencing your exact issue. |
| 01:34.33 | A-KO | what you just pasted has absolutely nothing to do with your problem. |
| 01:35.12 | Wobin | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/july/ss1433.jpg <-- Blanka? |
| 01:35.24 | dardack_ | nvr said it was my exact issue, my point was others on 275 have had a multitude of issues graphical in nature, not all the same, not all different, but w/e my main reason was to come ask what other linux uses were using, arrow pointed me to 280, so w/e |
| 01:35.25 | A-KO | haha Wobin |
| 01:35.53 | A-KO | dardack: Unless you can pinpoint a specific problem that is reproduceable on multiple computers with similar configurations it is impossible to say where the fault may lie. |
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| 01:36.22 | A-KO | In this case, all you linked was some dude blue screening. For all you know he could be overclocking his GPU or GPU memory but won't admit it "because it worked before why not now?" |
| 01:36.24 | A-KO | etc. |
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| 01:37.54 | A-KO | he could have artifacting he doesn't know of, or perhaps the driver is doing something slightly differently that now does indeed trigger a failure in his hardware overclock that didn't before. FWIW, a BSOD means something is *seriously* wrong with the system. So short of specific out-of-bounds tweaks that one would make to drivers, I suspect he's got hardware issues :P You on the other hand, |
| 01:37.54 | A-KO | who knows. |
| 01:37.56 | dardack_ | true but nvidia forums ahve ton of complaints about 275 and issues, people going back to 260 etc. Anyways, i'm not here to argue about who's fault or w/e, i'll stay on 260 until 280 is released |
| 01:38.14 | A-KO | dardack: That happens with every single driver release, it's happened since they used to be called the Detonator drivers |
| 01:38.22 | A-KO | it's nothing new |
| 01:38.28 | A-KO | it's like WoW's age old joke |
| 01:38.32 | A-KO | "Onyxia deep breathes more" |
| 01:38.37 | A-KO | there's a reason that's a joke |
| 01:38.41 | A-KO | same concept here |
| 01:39.48 | dardack_ | if you say so, most of my researched had ton of issues with 275, but i don't keep up on nvidia's forums much. Anyways back to wow |
| 01:42.16 | Lothrik | O_O |
| 01:42.30 | Lothrik | I think I just went full circle with this function redefinition |
| 01:42.47 | Lothrik | http://www.pastie.org/private/hfnrrwcxr2zqjnpf3c5jw |
| 01:43.13 | Lothrik | redefines a function to a new function with a new function inside of it, which calls the original function |
| 01:44.51 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 01:45.00 | Wobin | Lothrik: I suspect you're setting yourself up for some terrible debugging pain in the future |
| 01:47.13 | Lothrik | I tend to do that |
| 01:50.19 | foxlit | "which calls the original function" << or so you think. |
| 01:50.32 | Wobin | ^ |
| 01:51.10 | Wobin | any particular reason you're overriding the reloadui functionality? |
| 01:52.40 | karl_w_w | A-KO you're suggesting slightly dodgy drivers can't cause BSOD? |
| 01:53.32 | A-KO | karl_w_w: I'm suggesting that in general, under most circumstances, the causes of BSODs for people aren't necessarily driver related and are more related to dodgy hardware concerns that the drivers are exposing anyway. Or perhaps dodgy settings the user set, etc. |
| 01:54.57 | A-KO | That is, you're sooner to be able to fix any issues with your configuration before you'll be able to anecdotally prove there is a specific stability problem with a particular driver. |
| 02:00.21 | Corrodias | i'm not aware of configuration problems generally causing driver crashes |
| 02:00.41 | Corrodias | but then again |
| 02:00.55 | Corrodias | i'm thinking of a pretty narrow range of use cases, in which you don't configure much of importance. |
| 02:01.45 | Wobin | "I downloaded the new driver and installed it" |
| 02:04.32 | Corrodias | that's about all you have to do with most of them. and if that crashes it, i would say that it's usually a driver problem. |
| 02:04.53 | Corrodias | assuming there's even hardware behind them. file system filters, virtual devices, and such don't have that. |
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| 02:29.29 | dardack_ | i believe that for me 275 driver version is faulty, so do a bunch of other people, that was my only point, anyways |
| 02:36.35 | Corrodias | nvidia drivers often have some flaws. it takes a lot of forum-crawling to find what the best ones are within a certain range. |
| 02:37.12 | starlon | fixit with fire |
| 02:40.41 | Lothrik | Wobin: I'm overriding it because if I don't, calling reflux triggers ReloadUI() too quickly and doesn't save certain changes I make to the frame positions |
| 02:49.55 | Cairenn | Hey Lothrik? Have you decided what you are doing about your compilation on WoWI? It's still sitting there on hold. |
| 02:56.39 | Computerpunk | do events fire when you're in loading screen/ |
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| 03:02.40 | karl_w_w | they are saved up and all fire when the loading screen is done Computerpunk |
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| 03:04.49 | foxlit | [how could you tell?] |
| 03:07.24 | karl_w_w | how else would things happen :P |
| 03:07.43 | foxlit | fire during the loading screen |
| 03:07.49 | karl_w_w | when you go through a loading screen you dont miss what people say in chat for that period of time |
| 03:08.52 | karl_w_w | how can an addon respond while its on the loading screen |
| 03:09.13 | karl_w_w | especially if its a ui reload |
| 03:10.03 | Computerpunk | karl_w_w: thanks. |
| 03:10.04 | foxlit | It would appear that your argument is "this is the only possible way it could work" |
| 03:10.17 | karl_w_w | thats not my argument |
| 03:10.21 | karl_w_w | that's my question |
| 03:11.14 | foxlit | there's no reason the normal event loop can't run while the loading screen is up :) |
| 03:11.41 | karl_w_w | so how do addons do things with those events? |
| 03:12.10 | foxlit | Hey, I don't know what actually happens. |
| 03:12.22 | foxlit | Presumably, the same way they deal with any other events. |
| 03:12.37 | foxlit | Imagine a giant overlay frame on top of UIParent displaying the progress bar graphic if you will. |
| 03:12.57 | foxlit | It /could/ be done that way. Hence my question: how could you tell whether events fire during or immediately after the loading screen? :) |
| 03:14.28 | karl_w_w | you can't know for sure, but given the evidence it seems more likely that it's immediately after |
| 03:14.45 | mckenziemc | for first login, most of the bar's progress is just addons loading; no events till the bar gets most of the way through |
| 03:15.07 | Iriel | You could know if you stored the time at which each event happens |
| 03:15.08 | Iriel | if you care. |
| 03:15.09 | foxlit | given what evidence? :) |
| 03:15.19 | mckenziemc | two accounts |
| 03:15.29 | mckenziemc | player zones in when the bar is almost full |
| 03:15.45 | mckenziemc | there are some events before that but i think they're all local |
| 03:16.11 | mckenziemc | you can trigger /eventtrace through an addon on load to see them all |
| 03:16.43 | bluspacecow | still trying to figure out what a HSED is |
| 03:16.53 | foxlit | registerall and gettime, basically |
| 03:16.59 | bluspacecow | head mounted sexy elf disguise? |
| 03:17.05 | foxlit | so did anyone actually do that? |
| 03:17.17 | foxlit | bluspacecow: https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ahsed |
| 03:17.39 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 03:17.43 | bluspacecow | kraps is that young ? |
| 03:18.58 | mckenziemc | i forgot why i wanted to see the events, but when i did i looked into blizzard's code for /eventtrace, figured out how to trigger that and didn't bother checking what it did internally |
| 03:23.51 | karl_w_w | foxlit: the evidence that when you reload ui or anything else, you never miss anything |
| 03:24.15 | karl_w_w | if your addons are still loading when an event fires, how is the addon supposed to handle that event |
| 03:24.15 | mckenziemc | that proves that the events are not discarded, not that they fire during the loading screen |
| 03:24.34 | mckenziemc | queues |
| 03:25.05 | mckenziemc | but the queue might still be handled before the loading screen finishes |
| 03:25.38 | Xyphoid | you could test it by an addon that autoreplied to a whisper or whatever, and test that from another client while you /reload |
| 03:27.42 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc: splitting hairs |
| 03:27.59 | karl_w_w | whether they fire right after or at the end of the bar, they are still saved up |
| 03:27.59 | mckenziemc | agreed |
| 03:28.41 | mckenziemc | but it may be important depending on why the question was brought up |
| 03:31.34 | bluspacecow | "504 Gateway Time-out" |
| 03:31.47 | bluspacecow | lolz incgamers diablo forum getting slashdotted. |
| 03:33.49 | karl_w_w | why. do they have the scoop? |
| 03:34.06 | bluspacecow | on D3 apparently yeah |
| 03:34.20 | bluspacecow | i'm waiting on Sixen's post on it myself |
| 03:34.32 | Sixen | ;) |
| 03:35.45 | Computerpunk | I need more axes. |
| 03:36.52 | mckenziemc | use hyperspace |
| 04:10.40 | Lothrik | Cairenn: You can do whatever you like with my compilation for now.. it's probably going to take me at least a day or two to get permissions for the addons included. |
| 04:11.01 | Cairenn | Do you have your description text et al saved? |
| 04:11.05 | Lothrik | yup |
| 04:11.33 | Cairenn | Okay, I'll just poof it for now and you can resubmit it when you are ready :) |
| 04:39.11 | airtonix | :> |
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| 05:10.15 | mckenziemc | poof airtonix too, please |
| 05:17.54 | Torhal | I'm not sure Cairenn would do that, mckenziemc. |
| 05:18.08 | airtonix | i'm not a poof |
| 05:20.37 | airtonix | Torhal: have you ever though about becoming a button man? |
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| 05:21.01 | airtonix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_Man |
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| 05:21.41 | airtonix | Movie rights are owned by Dreamworks, which has co-opted the producers of Wagner's A History of Violence. The film was initially rumoured to be planned for release in 2008[1]. The option has been renewed by Dreamworks most recently in July 2010 so the film may yet see the light of day[2]. |
| 05:21.58 | mckenziemc | Torhal frequently thoughs |
| 05:22.40 | airtonix | i will sell you to distant lands mckenziemc |
| 05:28.23 | Corrodias | the movie industry is weird |
| 05:29.11 | Corrodias | in the game industry, you come up with an idea, then if you're a publisher, you pay someone to make it, and if you're a developer, you court it to publishers until someone pays you to make it. or you go independent. |
| 05:29.34 | Corrodias | in the movie industry, you sell your idea to a studio and then they might some day decide they want to make it, but the important part is that other people can't make it. |
| 05:30.31 | Corrodias | i find that to be the most compelling part of this intellectual property business. buying ideas so they can't be put to use. |
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| 05:34.35 | airtonix | i'm going to patent 23 of the 26 english alphabetic letters |
| 05:34.51 | Ackis | I WANT YOU INSIDE ME Torhal |
| 05:34.56 | Torhal | airtonix: I hadn't thought about it, no. |
| 05:34.57 | airtonix | umad? |
| 05:35.09 | Torhal | However, airtonix, I think Ackis wants to be an Unbutton Man. |
| 05:35.25 | Ackis | what's an unbutton man? |
| 05:35.25 | airtonix | gaylord |
| 05:35.54 | airtonix | Cpt jack is an Unbutton Man |
| 05:36.23 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 05:36.49 | airtonix | ujelly |
| 05:36.57 | Ackis | u guis r fuckin wierd |
| 05:37.08 | airtonix | says the fetish |
| 05:43.47 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 05:43.47 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 05:43.58 | Fisker | i'm sick Ackis |
| 05:44.00 | Fisker | so very sick |
| 05:44.17 | airtonix | as a dog? |
| 05:44.41 | Fisker | no |
| 05:44.45 | Fisker | as an airtonix |
| 05:45.01 | Torhal | Did you hear that, Ackis? Fisker is sick. Again. Still. In perpetuity. |
| 05:45.26 | Fisker | T'orhal |
| 05:46.20 | airtonix | hoho |
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| 05:50.38 | Torhal | Fisk'er |
| 05:52.50 | Stanzilla | guise |
| 05:53.15 | airtonix | Stanzilla: brosephine |
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| 05:57.00 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 05:57.16 | mckenziemc | on the Voluntary Info page for an online employment application: |
| 05:57.23 | mckenziemc | "In the event that you decline to self-identify your gender, race or ethnicity, the information will be determined by visual observation or other appropriate means." |
| 05:57.57 | Ackis | 45ish minute video of LotR universe done in minecraft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhksNvUwaRc |
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| 06:01.12 | Wobin | mckenziemc: "Please remove your lower garments for the visual examination"? |
| 06:01.37 | mckenziemc | D: |
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| 06:15.02 | airtonix | mckenziemc: through my hubble telescope i spy you |
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| 06:24.44 | Torhal | airtonix: mckenziemc has an observatory mounted on the tops of his shoes. |
| 06:25.15 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 06:33.05 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/0HvTw.png =( |
| 06:33.54 | Torhal | Stanzilla: It's player-to-player only. |
| 06:34.05 | Stanzilla | still sa |
| 06:34.06 | Stanzilla | d |
| 06:34.06 | Torhal | They're just saying "Fine. Use real money. Fuck it." |
| 06:35.02 | KarlKFI | seems like a good compromise to cut out the gold sellers |
| 06:35.55 | bluspacecow | yeah stan ? |
| 06:36.03 | bluspacecow | incgamers never attended that press event |
| 06:36.09 | bluspacecow | so their info is third hand at best |
| 06:36.42 | bluspacecow | i'm waiting on sixen's post on it all ⦠he attended and has access to the press kit blizzard gave him |
| 06:37.09 | Sixen | 25 minutes |
| 06:37.17 | Sixen | also, ty blu <3 |
| 06:37.18 | bluspacecow | ! |
| 06:37.21 | bluspacecow | its a sixen! |
| 06:37.23 | bluspacecow | hai2u! |
| 06:37.28 | Sixen | a wild sixen has appeared! |
| 06:37.29 | Sixen | ;) |
| 06:37.46 | Bibi | look who's attentionwhoring instead of working |
| 06:37.54 | Bibi | GIVE ME A S! GIVE ME A I! GIVE ME A XEN BECAUSE I M LAZY! |
| 06:38.08 | bluspacecow | lolz @ bibi |
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| 06:59.28 | airtonix | Torhal: they should really do the plex thing instead |
| 07:00.08 | airtonix | selling auctionable items for straight cash is just going to tell gold farmers "go for it" |
| 07:01.29 | mckenziemc | sells airtonix for cash |
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| 07:09.56 | Torhal | airtonix: We should plex mckenziemc - that way we can split him up for other things. |
| 07:11.20 | karl_w_w | sells mckenziemc for cookies |
| 07:11.37 | airtonix | but don't you agree |
| 07:11.43 | karl_w_w | no |
| 07:12.06 | mckenziemc | sometimes |
| 07:12.16 | airtonix | i think i was only "gold spammed" in eve online once in 6 months |
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| 07:12.20 | airtonix | compared to wow |
| 07:12.31 | airtonix | where i would get spammed at least once a day |
| 07:12.36 | airtonix | thats a good day |
| 07:12.55 | airtonix | on average it would happen every four hours |
| 07:13.11 | KarlKFI | population targeting |
| 07:13.11 | [Wobin] | thanks to BadBoy, I've not been spammed for quite some time |
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| 07:13.21 | KarlKFI | eve already had a real money market |
| 07:13.31 | airtonix | even with badboy you still have to put up with the stuff badboy can't remove |
| 07:13.43 | airtonix | KarlKFI: only recently |
| 07:14.00 | airtonix | which means your argument against plex is invalid |
| 07:14.56 | bleeter | Sixen: bbbbrrraaaaiiiinnnnzzzz |
| 07:14.59 | starlon | Me :) http://starlon.lyrical.net/music/Lagrima.mp3 |
| 07:15.10 | Sixen | bleeterrrrrrr! |
| 07:15.45 | karl_w_w | large hadron collides airtonix |
| 07:15.49 | AcidWeb | EVE could really easy kill any "gold sellers" but entire bot networks have silent permission from CCP to work. |
| 07:16.01 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 07:16.53 | AcidWeb | I hunted that bots some time. CCP dont give a shit. |
| 07:17.30 | AcidWeb | I understand them.. why close hundreds of accounts that give them money. |
| 07:18.21 | AcidWeb | Sometimes they made big wave of bans but that is just a show. |
| 07:19.45 | KarlKFI | designing bots is a meta game of its own |
| 07:20.10 | AcidWeb | EVE is one big metagame ;p |
| 07:20.31 | KarlKFI | however, using bots isn't really all that fun unless you have to do some clever configuration |
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| 07:51.39 | Trela | starlon: That is the most annoying thing I have ever heard. *Clicks* SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 07:52.42 | Trela | It is a war on people who still have their full range of hearing. |
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| 08:25.37 | starlon | You must dislike Spanish guitar? lol |
| 08:33.16 | starlon | This one's Canadian I guess. lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23RF9K5lR0I&feature=channel_video_title |
| 08:35.20 | Torhal | starlon: I see what Trela is talking about - the background noise makes me want to kill things. |
| 08:35.33 | starlon | Ah. |
| 08:35.39 | Torhal | VERY high pitched. |
| 08:35.44 | starlon | air conditioner |
| 08:35.46 | starlon | probably |
| 08:44.04 | starlon | my headphones aren't the greatest. I can sort of hear it. That's really loud? http://starlon.lyrical.net/music/sound.mp3 |
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| 09:54.44 | karl_w_w | if you dark simulacrum a spell, when you cast it does it use the original caster's spell power/crit etc? |
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| 10:09.04 | airtonix | whose mad? |
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| 10:12.13 | airtonix | i am |
| 10:20.03 | airtonix | Wobin: you know if hitler was assasinated and ww2 never happened. australia wouldn't have pizza |
| 10:21.10 | Wobin | really? |
| 10:21.13 | Wobin | wow |
| 10:21.22 | zenzio | given what my Australian friends said about our pizza when they visited here, compared to the Australian pizzas, it wouldn't be a bad thing |
| 10:23.01 | airtonix | the secret is to never visit brand name pizza bars |
| 10:23.22 | airtonix | i'm sure dominos is crap all over the world |
| 10:24.28 | airtonix | Wobin: well a large majority of the italians in australia came here when the snowy mountains hydro electric dam project started |
| 10:25.29 | zenzio | think I heard about that; you Australians didn't have much expertise about those things so you imported people who had |
| 10:25.36 | airtonix | yeah |
| 10:25.43 | airtonix | and they were cheaper too |
| 10:27.27 | Wobin | So if hitler were assassinated, the italians would never have come over? |
| 10:27.37 | Wobin | or the SMH would never have been built |
| 10:30.54 | airtonix | well my theory is there would be less pressure for them to leave for better prospects |
| 10:32.18 | airtonix | ww2 was defnitely a catalyst for many european populations migration to america and australia |
| 10:32.30 | zenzio | http://www.bluesnews.com/s/124099/on-steam-and-direct3d - I always wondered about this... sounds interesting to me that a helper library is so version-specific, but I assume they know better than me |
| 10:37.47 | Corrodias | it kind of is. you get the monthly d3d update dlls. |
| 10:38.13 | Corrodias | as far as i know, though, running the dx9 web installer DOES install all the dlls up to the current version, though. |
| 10:39.18 | zenzio | but what do the monthly D3D updates do? I didn't think they'd add or change behaviour, only be bug fixes that wouldn't change the interface. Then again, I am not at all familiar with the DX architecture |
| 10:39.36 | Corrodias | i really don't know, sorry |
| 10:39.58 | Corrodias | games DO require having at least the version they were built for, i can confirm that |
| 10:40.21 | zenzio | I trust Valve know what they're talking about :) |
| 10:40.29 | zenzio | I'm just a curious person |
| 10:44.58 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1981 |
| 10:47.56 | zenzio | Adys: lol |
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| 11:07.43 | blueberry1 | hello |
| 11:09.16 | airtonix | a blue imposter! |
| 11:09.30 | blueberry1 | hey, maybe you can aswer a question for me |
| 11:09.37 | airtonix | that depends |
| 11:09.45 | blueberry1 | you know how everytime someone sends you a message the game makes a ding noise |
| 11:09.58 | airtonix | vaguely |
| 11:10.19 | blueberry1 | on my computer that noise is usually pretty low,i wonder if there's a way to tie it to my computer's sound and make that noise louder |
| 11:10.32 | blueberry1 | i'm talking about wow, and i guess rift as well |
| 11:10.38 | airtonix | not unless you use an addon like prat i think |
| 11:10.45 | blueberry1 | ok that's what i was thinking, via an addon |
| 11:10.49 | blueberry1 | so prat does that? |
| 11:10.59 | blueberry1 | gonna go look up prat, thanks. |
| 11:11.06 | airtonix | from memory blizzard didn't separate volume channels into usefully separate functions |
| 11:11.40 | blueberry1 | hmm... |
| 11:12.48 | airtonix | yeah so only way to gain granular control over individual sound events is to override those events with your own addons and provide a config gui to change those volumes maybe |
| 11:13.20 | airtonix | things might have changed |
| 11:14.26 | blueberry1 | okay. I dont play wow anymore just Rift, barely. It would be nice if i can do that for rift, but i dont think there is an api to do that yet. |
| 11:14.44 | airtonix | you can ask in #riftuidev |
| 11:14.52 | blueberry1 | they're all sleeping. |
| 11:14.54 | airtonix | i assume |
| 11:15.08 | blueberry1 | i just wanted to know if this was possible in general |
| 11:15.42 | blueberry1 | thank you btw |
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| 11:38.21 | Adys | blueberry1: in wow, you have the possibility to control the global volume and the volume of 3 different type of sound sources; UI sounds are exempt though iirc |
| 11:39.00 | Adys | you cant control the volume of a *specific* sound, but you could replace it/trigger your own sound and make sure that one plays at full volume |
| 11:41.05 | blueberry1 | adys, I see. |
| 11:41.21 | blueberry1 | so how would you replace it to trigger a sound of your own? |
| 11:41.39 | Adys | events |
| 11:41.54 | Adys | as for removing the current one i dont know, i dont mess with sounds |
| 11:42.23 | blueberry1 | so you have an addon register the event, then you have a script replacing that event with a sound you'd place into that addon folder? |
| 11:42.31 | Adys | um |
| 11:42.43 | Adys | something like that |
| 11:42.51 | blueberry1 | okay |
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| 12:04.17 | bleeter | FISKER: !!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
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| 12:04.57 | airtonix | please die |
| 12:05.15 | bleeter | NO U |
| 12:05.27 | airtonix | yumadtho? |
| 12:08.09 | mikma | haste: http://www.rlslog.net/wolverine-2011-s01e01-mariko-hdtv-xvid-momentum/ |
| 12:19.46 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/JBv5o |
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| 12:43.43 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:43.46 | angayelle | morning people |
| 12:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. Got any aloe for a sunburn? Morning, angayelle. |
| 12:44.44 | angayelle | I'm trying to get something working, looks like it's very simple but can't get the grasp of it, though i looked around alot. |
| 12:44.46 | zenzio | can't say I do |
| 12:44.56 | zenzio | I probably should, my skin doesn't meet the sun very often |
| 12:45.08 | angayelle | storing a function in an array with : table = {function() prout = 1+1 return prout end,} |
| 12:45.47 | angayelle | can't get to produce the right result, print(table.[1]) obviously return function: 0x8d1c718 |
| 12:46.03 | Ackis | morning *.* |
| 12:46.08 | Ackis | everyone having a nice long weekend? |
| 12:46.08 | angayelle | print(table[1]) rather |
| 12:46.09 | zenzio | what is the "right" result, and what does it actually return? |
| 12:46.21 | angayelle | should return 2 |
| 12:46.34 | mitch0 | print(table[1]()) |
| 12:46.36 | zenzio | but it does return? |
| 12:46.48 | angayelle | it return : function: 0x8d1c718 |
| 12:46.53 | zenzio | then what mitch0 said |
| 12:47.06 | Lopeppeppy | I fried myself crispy, Ackis, and got sun poisoning. Very spiffy weekend. :P |
| 12:47.08 | angayelle | pff stupid me, thanks mitch0 |
| 12:48.24 | zenzio | ooh, fancy question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6895522/is-0-a-decimal-literal-or-an-octal-literal |
| 12:48.50 | mitch0 | zenzio: does it _matter_? :) |
| 12:49.03 | zenzio | mitch0: nope, but it's fun to know! |
| 12:49.19 | Ackis | puts some ketchup on Lopeppeppy |
| 12:49.21 | Ackis | OM NOM NOM NOM |
| 12:49.43 | zenzio | I don't know if putting something salty on sunburned skin is a very kind thing to do |
| 12:50.30 | Arrowmaster | vinegar |
| 12:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | Very mean! I wanted aloe, not salt. |
| 12:54.17 | zenzio | here you go peppy: http://www.wowhead.com/item=49140 |
| 12:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | The sunburn I could live with, the sun poisoning was hideous. |
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| 12:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | knows zenzio loves her truly, he found in-game aloe! |
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| 13:04.00 | bluspacecow | @peppy hai2u |
| 13:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, bluspacecow. Do YOU have aloe in the fridge? |
| 13:04.52 | bluspacecow | no i don'ts |
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| 13:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. This redhead is lacking in aftercare! |
| 13:07.45 | Ackis | thinks Lopeppeppy burned because she HAS NO SOUL |
| 13:07.51 | zenzio | is aloe kept in the fridge? |
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| 13:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | If you keep aloe gel in the fridge, it has extra cooling power for a sunburn, zenzio, beyond just being aloe. Every bit counts. :) |
| 13:09.34 | bluspacecow | not for this maori |
| 13:09.38 | zenzio | oh, so it's not a requirement? |
| 13:09.41 | bluspacecow | we has a tree of it |
| 13:09.57 | bluspacecow | little aloe pot plant |
| 13:10.10 | angayelle | remove thorns before applying |
| 13:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | not required, no. |
| 13:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | I can't keep plants in the house - cat kills them, and I'm allergic to mold. So I'm stuck with the bottled goo, although I'd prefer to slit a leaf and just bind it right on my shoulder. |
| 13:11.39 | zenzio | don't suppose shampoo (or whatever it is) with aloe would count? |
| 13:12.06 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. That's "aloe" the way that soda is "water". |
| 13:12.37 | zenzio | you mean improved? |
| 13:12.55 | airtonix | you can't hang a basket plant outside? |
| 13:13.37 | Ackis | The aloe I buy has medicine in it for pain... it's a win win |
| 13:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | It would die in about 2 months, airtonix, when the temps go below freezing. |
| 13:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm immune to the *caine meds, Ackis. :( |
| 13:14.36 | Ackis | is that because you don't have a soul? |
| 13:14.37 | Ackis | :) |
| 13:14.42 | Lopeppeppy | Totally. |
| 13:15.17 | zenzio | it seems to me that the people who keep repeating "ginger"-jokes are more likely to have no soul |
| 13:15.25 | airtonix | well i'd be making a hanging greenhouse then |
| 13:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | Actually... there's some statistical correlation between red hair and decreased effectiveness of pain medications, as well as lower tolerances for pain... So yeah, it's because I'm a redhead. :P |
| 13:15.48 | airtonix | or just a greenhouse |
| 13:16.16 | airtonix | i used to make greenhouses with just plastic 2 litre coke bottles |
| 13:16.21 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw |
| 13:16.31 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: did you see the Mythbusters episode where they tested pain tolerance? Redheads came out better than non-redheads |
| 13:17.22 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: ^^ |
| 13:17.42 | mitch0 | maybe you just born whiny |
| 13:17.58 | angayelle | my middle girl is redhead and yes she complain alot about pain, more than her sister, bizarre bizarre |
| 13:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | I said correlation - there's research that goes both ways. |
| 13:18.57 | zenzio | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/where_the_memes_came_from.gif |
| 13:18.58 | Ackis | tehehe goes both ways theehehe |
| 13:19.29 | angayelle | shuld have stayed home, never hear about LCDburn |
| 13:19.47 | zenzio | CRTburn |
| 13:19.48 | mitch0 | angayelle: my middle daugher is no redhead yet she has no pain-tolerance to speak of ;) maybe it's the middle girls? :) |
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| 13:20.17 | mitch0 | s/typo// |
| 13:21.50 | angayelle | 13 |
| 13:21.52 | angayelle | oops |
| 13:22.16 | zenzio | let's hope that wasn't part of your A/S/L |
| 13:22.44 | bluspacecow | or yr a/s/l/p_l |
| 13:22.56 | airtonix | lulz |
| 13:23.02 | zenzio | p_l? |
| 13:23.11 | bluspacecow | or yr a/s/l/b_m |
| 13:23.13 | airtonix | preference of lube |
| 13:23.27 | bluspacecow | well my last one was age/sex/langague/breast measurement |
| 13:23.40 | angayelle | ehe |
| 13:23.41 | bluspacecow | sure you can fill in the blank for the other one there zenzio |
| 13:23.50 | zenzio | "language"? Back in the day it was always "location" |
| 13:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | You people are weird. |
| 13:24.02 | mitch0 | yeah, who cares about language? :) |
| 13:24.11 | angayelle | middle girl learn very fast how to get that they want, either by whining or bullying their big sister |
| 13:24.11 | zenzio | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_women.jpg |
| 13:24.29 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 13:25.13 | bluspacecow | @peppy you'll only just coming to terms with that now ? |
| 13:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | I re-visit it from time to time, blue. |
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| 13:42.32 | airtonix | i'm awesome |
| 13:57.43 | Arrowmaster | day 18 and im still locked out of my XBL account |
| 13:57.58 | zenzio | what did you do? |
| 13:58.32 | Arrowmaster | didnt use a secure enough password |
| 13:58.52 | Xinhuan | locked out? |
| 13:58.58 | zenzio | ah, so it was closed because someone else did something bad? |
| 13:59.17 | Xinhuan | what does that mean? can't play any games on it? |
| 13:59.25 | Arrowmaster | was closed because somebody else spent my points and i called to get a refund so they closed it to investigate |
| 13:59.34 | Arrowmaster | i cant even login to the account |
| 13:59.46 | Arrowmaster | my entire windows live id is locked |
| 13:59.47 | Xinhuan | how many points |
| 13:59.53 | Arrowmaster | 4000 |
| 13:59.58 | Xinhuan | how much is that worth |
| 14:00.05 | Arrowmaster | $50 |
| 14:00.27 | Xinhuan | so you got points spent from your account on your own account? |
| 14:00.59 | Arrowmaster | they tell me the wait time is upto 21 days so hopefully they unlock my account in the next few days |
| 14:01.15 | Xinhuan | :/ |
| 14:01.18 | angayelle | 21 days... this is not serious |
| 14:01.34 | Arrowmaster | they sent me a free 1 month code though..... |
| 14:01.47 | Xinhuan | what does that entitle you to do? |
| 14:01.49 | angayelle | at least |
| 14:01.56 | Xinhuan | i'm not familiar with XBL |
| 14:02.19 | Arrowmaster | i would rather they sent me 1600 point code because i missed out on last weeks deal of the week which would of saved me 1200 points |
| 14:02.41 | Arrowmaster | the 1 month code is to extend my gold subscription for a month |
| 14:03.04 | Xinhuan | ok, what's a gold subscription lol |
| 14:03.19 | Arrowmaster | required to play online multiplayer |
| 14:03.39 | Xinhuan | for any/all games? |
| 14:03.44 | Arrowmaster | all |
| 14:03.53 | Xinhuan | gold implies there are other levels, like platinum or silver |
| 14:04.18 | Arrowmaster | there is silver which lets you access the marketplace but not multiplayer for free |
| 14:04.38 | Xinhuan | how much is the monthly sub? |
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| 14:05.13 | Arrowmaster | you can get 12 month cards for around $50, for less than 12 months they get more expensive per month |
| 14:07.03 | Xinhuan | well, i suppose you can't really complain |
| 14:07.20 | Xinhuan | did you get bruteforced with a weak password? or something else? |
| 14:07.48 | Arrowmaster | guessing somebody got my password from one of the spree of website hackings lately |
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| 14:11.30 | Ackis | Fisker: I have a problem. his name is Torhal |
| 14:13.06 | airtonix | Torhal: I have a problem, his name is Ackis |
| 14:13.11 | Xinhuan | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2397-Diablo-3-Auction-House-Announced-Spend-and-Earn-Real-Life-Money |
| 14:13.13 | Xinhuan | wowowow |
| 14:13.20 | angayelle | old news is old |
| 14:13.21 | airtonix | old |
| 14:13.43 | airtonix | gee Xinhuan did you goto sleep in the last 48hrs or something |
| 14:13.44 | angayelle | shocking nonetheless |
| 14:13.45 | karl_w_w | airtonix always seems to know about everything that's old |
| 14:13.56 | Xinhuan | you know i don't play wow right |
| 14:13.58 | karl_w_w | you like 100 years old airtonix? |
| 14:14.06 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 14:14.07 | Xinhuan | so i have little reason to visit mmo |
| 14:14.09 | Xinhuan | :( |
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| 14:17.12 | angayelle | i have mixed feelings about it |
| 14:17.21 | angayelle | and no addons allowed on d3, that suck |
| 14:17.28 | Xinhuan | i am quite positive about the irl money AH |
| 14:17.39 | Xinhuan | i had friends in the past that bought items with irl money |
| 14:17.48 | Xinhuan | and going through 3rd parties suck |
| 14:17.53 | angayelle | oohh i'm so seeing you farming all day |
| 14:18.05 | Xinhuan | i also have a friend who literally scammed other people off some 10000 dollars |
| 14:18.18 | Xinhuan | with the same pair of whatever bow was the strongest then |
| 14:18.19 | Fisker | cool Ackis |
| 14:18.27 | angayelle | you have nice friends |
| 14:18.49 | Xinhuan | well i'm positive this change is only for the better |
| 14:18.55 | karl_w_w | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/188586/dear-blizzard-the-dc-issue |
| 14:18.58 | karl_w_w | bollocks^ |
| 14:19.14 | Arrowmaster | i mostly played D2 offline with mods that majorly changed the game, the online only and no mods of D3 sucks |
| 14:20.00 | bluspacecow | ahh newbie tech support blue poster |
| 14:20.00 | bluspacecow | well to be fair the only place i've heard them not having mods is on the D3 AH |
| 14:20.05 | Xinhuan | i only played online D2, and only in hardcore mode |
| 14:20.10 | Xinhuan | (permanent death) |
| 14:20.38 | Xinhuan | i had 7 chars in the top 100, and a hardcore sorceress guide written :) |
| 14:20.56 | bluspacecow | hardcore toons can only access the gold using AH ,,, and a special version at that... they can't access the real money AH |
| 14:21.12 | Xinhuan | that's fine |
| 14:21.17 | Xinhuan | i can play both hardcore and normal modes |
| 14:21.43 | Xinhuan | blizzard is clever |
| 14:21.51 | Xinhuan | about not allowing irl purchases for HC mode |
| 14:22.12 | Xinhuan | since people could try to claim blizzard's servers for causing their perma deaths and trying to get refunds or compensation |
| 14:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Whine whine whine cheeeeeeeeze! |
| 14:23.40 | bluspacecow | all sales are final ... what happens after that is up to the player |
| 14:23.50 | bluspacecow | *grabs some cheese and wine from peppy* |
| 14:24.32 | Xinhuan | diablo2 was also a maintenance cost on hosting their servers, they get no income |
| 14:24.35 | Torhal | pours kerosene on Ackis. |
| 14:24.41 | Xinhuan | with the AH in D3, they get money now! |
| 14:28.32 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/dragon-age-2-steam-origin-ea-robk-98163/ oh please EA |
| 14:29.52 | bluspacecow | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226644_185771541475525_100001280418307_546752_4516203_n.jpg |
| 14:30.10 | Arrowmaster | "some key EA titles that were already on Steam, have started disappearing, namely Dragon Age 2, which made headlines last week. But that one wasnât exactly EAâs faultâ¦" |
| 14:30.13 | Arrowmaster | bullshit lies |
| 14:30.34 | angayelle | bad steam don't let EA sell stuff via ingame without getting money |
| 14:31.16 | Arrowmaster | EA knew exactly what they were doing when they made it so it could only be purchased ingame |
| 14:31.18 | Xinhuan | both sides are greedy |
| 14:31.26 | Xinhuan | EA obviously wants its money, and so does Steam |
| 14:31.32 | angayelle | selling stuff and bypassing steam wasn't something steam would let pass anyway |
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| 14:31.52 | Xinhuan | also http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/ |
| 14:31.55 | Xinhuan | pretty damn good |
| 14:31.58 | Xinhuan | graphics on there |
| 14:32.36 | Xinhuan | does the US govt really have that big of a deficit? |
| 14:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 14:33.06 | Xinhuan | does this mean we will see the US dollar plummet in the next year? |
| 14:33.31 | Arrowmaster | the deficit doesnt really effect the worth of the dollar |
| 14:33.47 | Arrowmaster | its how they handle the deficit that effects it |
| 14:34.04 | Xinhuan | i think you know what i mean - would they handle it right? |
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| 14:34.46 | pompy | if the democrats and republicans can agree on something together |
| 14:36.25 | Arrowmaster | one article was saying the us mint could just produce a platinum coin with a face value of 5tillion dollars and solve the deficit debate but that would weaken the dollar (many other countries have done similar things every 100 years or so and its weakened their currency) |
| 14:37.01 | Xinhuan | that is essentially just injecting money (and weakening it) |
| 14:37.20 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt cause inflation as long as it doesnt enter circulation but by law it provides something to barrow against |
| 14:37.56 | Xinhuan | it only has the value of 5 tillion dollars if and only if there is someone who would want it for that price |
| 14:38.22 | Arrowmaster | no by law it has a value of whatever the face value of it is |
| 14:38.23 | Xinhuan | else i could say it is worth 1gadzillion dollars and it means nothing |
| 14:38.54 | Arrowmaster | http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/07/30/1351209/Seigniorage-Hack-Could-Resolve-Debt-Limit-Crisis |
| 14:38.55 | Xinhuan | you can't produce money out of nothing without backing it up by an actual resource |
| 14:39.03 | Xinhuan | or the money just devalues |
| 14:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | Back ups are for computers! Not for economies! |
| 14:41.02 | Arrowmaster | some the comments from that "Not quite, it would only increase inflation if it hit the economy. The effect of having a $5tn coin to borrow against would be more or less identical to issuing another $5tn in bonds. This is just a loophole of sorts the effect on the economy would be mostly the same, although it probably would make the price of platinum spike if they actually went through with trying to mint |
| 14:41.08 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.52 | Arrowmaster | yes its bad but its not an instant inflation as soon as its minted |
| 14:42.22 | Xinhuan | it just makes things worse when the shit happens 5 years later |
| 14:43.04 | Arrowmaster | right, one of the points was that the reason the US has a 'AAA' rating right now is that they have never done something like that but other countries like greece have |
| 14:45.00 | Xinhuan | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3002880?start=0&tstart=0 |
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| 15:05.06 | starlon | Is Credit a Resource? Night all. |
| 15:08.48 | cbreak | starlon: credit is a resource like reputation |
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| 15:10.33 | Arrowmaster | ok while my XBL account has been locked so far i have done a complete playthough of bioshock1 and swtfu1 saving the game right before the final boss fights to get the last achievements i need in them, now what else can i play |
| 15:11.08 | Arrowmaster | i could do bionic commando but that game really really fucking sucks |
| 15:11.41 | AcidWeb | Arrowmaster: VVVVVV on one life ;p |
| 15:12.03 | Arrowmaster | doing xbox games |
| 15:12.22 | cbreak | locked? |
| 15:12.30 | cbreak | what kind of evilness did you perform? |
| 15:12.37 | cbreak | install linux? |
| 15:12.43 | cbreak | called yourself gaylord? |
| 15:12.57 | cbreak | or used a wrong name on google+? |
| 15:12.59 | Arrowmaster | somebody got into my account and spent my points, its locked while under 'investigation' |
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| 15:14.30 | cbreak | does your password suck? wonder if it's generally vulnerable |
| 15:14.45 | Arrowmaster | same pass for multiple sites |
| 15:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | Does it suck to explain it over and over again? *hugs* |
| 15:15.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 15:15.07 | cbreak | :/ |
| 15:15.17 | cbreak | maybe I should stop doing that too then... |
| 15:15.22 | Torhal | files an injunction against Arrowmaster's explanations. |
| 15:15.27 | cbreak | needs a good password manager |
| 15:18.13 | Arrowmaster | guess i can go spend some time fishing for Rusted Buckets and Rusted Clumps in Nier for a while till its too boring to continue |
| 15:19.38 | cbreak | you can play starcraft |
| 15:19.53 | cbreak | or this one: http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/z-type/ |
| 15:19.57 | Arrowmaster | i suck at starcraft |
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| 15:32.33 | Fisker | Sixen please |
| 15:33.53 | bluspacecow | fiskery fisker fiskered the fisker fisker |
| 15:34.21 | airtonix | [insert derp] |
| 15:35.00 | Fisker | Sixen looks kinda like that guy from big bang theory |
| 15:35.02 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
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| 15:47.26 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 15:47.38 | Fisker | don't you think a stone with recall with unlimited cooldown sucks? |
| 15:54.51 | airtonix | http://www.damnlol.com/pics/649/f62b961ce8bbe04217c2716aba40a306.gif |
| 15:58.27 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/diablo-3-will-let-you-buy-and-sell-items-for-real-world-cash.ars |
| 15:58.54 | mikma | old |
| 15:59.27 | nevcairiel | Its the old golden rule - if you can't stop them, control them |
| 16:03.00 | airtonix | http://www.damnlol.com/pics/705/7576c4a3e218fc9c473108d4fdc63b03.jpg |
| 16:03.10 | mikma | wanna guess will AH take a cut when you are using real money? ;) |
| 16:03.27 | nevcairiel | of course it will, the FAQ says so |
| 16:03.53 | nevcairiel | every auction house takes a cut - ever sold something on eBay? :p |
| 16:05.40 | airtonix | http://www.damnlol.com/pics/965/de6b79c6ecefbb264e9e28215811e621.jpg |
| 16:05.48 | airtonix | cocaines, i has it |
| 16:05.49 | Fisker | even your creditcard operator does |
| 16:05.57 | Fisker | though some stores pays it for you |
| 16:05.59 | airtonix | Fisker: so does your mum |
| 16:06.04 | Fisker | i fucked your mom airtonix |
| 16:06.05 | Fisker | also |
| 16:06.14 | Fisker | atleast it's a fixed fee |
| 16:06.40 | Fisker | so it's not like they're exploiting it beyond breaking more than even |
| 16:08.51 | cbreak | hmm... someone said in the comments of that article that you can't play diable 3 on your own computer |
| 16:09.18 | nevcairiel | why would you want that? thats silly |
| 16:10.43 | Fisker | playing on your own computer is silly? |
| 16:11.00 | cbreak | I'd say it's a convenient thing when you're not connected to the internet to play on some server |
| 16:11.28 | cbreak | maybe the piratebay version supports that. |
| 16:11.30 | nevcairiel | Its true that it apparently is claimed to not have a "offline" modus |
| 16:11.49 | Antze_Kaynier | people begin to forget about localhost, that's sad |
| 16:11.54 | nevcairiel | but the way you phrased it made it sound stupid, like i cannot play it on my own computer, not related to internet or something. :p |
| 16:12.10 | cbreak | nevcairiel: it sounds stupid to me either way :/ |
| 16:12.26 | nevcairiel | you cant play wow offline, and people never complained |
| 16:12.28 | airtonix | your face is stupid |
| 16:12.30 | nevcairiel | well, i guess they did |
| 16:12.32 | nevcairiel | but shrug! |
| 16:13.31 | Antze_Kaynier | there's a difference though: wow was never supposed to be playable offline but diablo was |
| 16:13.48 | Corrodias | i have a suggestion |
| 16:13.56 | Corrodias | play Titan Quest. don't buy Diablo 3. |
| 16:14.14 | nevcairiel | Antze_Kaynier: you thought it was supposed to, who said blizzard did? :p |
| 16:14.18 | cbreak | or: Play Diablo 3, don't buy Diablo 3 :) |
| 16:14.32 | Corrodias | that's an option, but i'm starting to wonder why you'd want to. |
| 16:14.34 | cbreak | just rent it somewhere |
| 16:14.42 | Antze_Kaynier | and the actual difference is the possibility of playing D3 on a laptop in a train if there's no available internet connection for some reason |
| 16:14.51 | cbreak | if you can't have it, no point buying it |
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| 16:15.11 | cbreak | Antze_Kaynier: exactly |
| 16:15.24 | nevcairiel | Playing d2 solo was always kinda boring, if you ask me. It only was real fun with some other dudes |
| 16:15.46 | Xinhuan | also playing alone meant you couldn't show off your character/spec/gear/loot |
| 16:15.47 | cbreak | I wanted to play sc2 on the train originally, but without a mouse, that game is a pain to play |
| 16:15.55 | Antze_Kaynier | nevcairiel: who said I was complaining ;) it would be better if they announced it earlier though |
| 16:16.02 | Corrodias | i, on the other hand, had a much more fun time with d2 solo, because i could go at my own pace. |
| 16:16.09 | Antze_Kaynier | people usually have expectations based on the previous series |
| 16:16.13 | Corrodias | groups were just rushes to destroy and then grab everything. |
| 16:16.23 | nevcairiel | you played with the wrong groups |
| 16:16.35 | Corrodias | any group 9_9 |
| 16:16.48 | Antze_Kaynier | play with me! |
| 16:16.52 | nevcairiel | some random dudes you found in the lobby? |
| 16:16.56 | nevcairiel | those are all like that. :p |
| 16:17.00 | Corrodias | unless you had friends from somewhere, i suppose |
| 16:17.32 | Corrodias | i never have friends from somewhere else that play games with me, so fuck that. |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | its the same in WoW, if you play with a PUG, there really isnt that much fun to be had, they are all only in there to grab some loot or finish it for the reward, or something |
| 16:17.42 | nevcairiel | but if you play with a guild, its actually fun |
| 16:17.44 | Corrodias | the one exception to that rule was Left 4 Dead. i did play with some friends. |
| 16:17.52 | cbreak | friends? That's almost as problematic to satisfy a requirement as permanent internet connection. |
| 16:17.55 | Corrodias | sorry, i didn't see the d2 guild mechanics! :o |
| 16:18.22 | Corrodias | cbreak: i guess we're just dumb because we didn't plan ahead and make enough friends |
| 16:18.26 | nevcairiel | i was comparing to WoW. :P |
| 16:18.43 | Corrodias | yeah, i noticed you keep doing that. you should probably stop. diablo and WoW are kind of different. |
| 16:18.46 | cbreak | Corrodias: yeah. Maybe I should get that facebook thing and buy a few friends. |
| 16:18.50 | Antze_Kaynier | hmm the next step would be to blame blizzard for not giving you enough friends |
| 16:18.52 | nevcairiel | Its not, really |
| 16:19.08 | Corrodias | you may not see it that way, but they have been until now |
| 16:19.15 | Antze_Kaynier | but whatever. that's why I prefer playing something like Diablo on a laptop in a train |
| 16:19.24 | AcidWeb | Ok that is new. |
| 16:19.28 | cbreak | solo playing ftw |
| 16:19.41 | AcidWeb | WoW caused a bluescreen and now launcher want to redonwload 17gb |
| 16:19.44 | nevcairiel | You have a character, which you need to level and gear up. You can do it solo, or in groups. You can pick those groups up randomly, or form some kind of circle of friends around you whom you run with frequently, if you call that guild or not, who cares. :p |
| 16:19.46 | cbreak | I found solo portal2 rather nice. |
| 16:19.52 | cbreak | yet to test the 2 player mode |
| 16:20.51 | cbreak | the most fun I had with diablo was hacking it to get new spells and abilities. |
| 16:21.06 | cbreak | if I did that in multi player, that would be unfair |
| 16:21.20 | Corrodias | i must go to work; back later! |
| 16:21.25 | cbreak | (and blizzard would probably not like it) |
| 16:22.31 | nevcairiel | Didnt D2 basically have those "open" server, where you could join with your offline profiles, where everyone would basically have a hacked character, and then the closed ladder thing? |
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| 16:24.27 | Mr_Rabies | yeah nevcairiel |
| 16:25.02 | Mr_Rabies | your character was stored on blizzard's servers for the ladder realms |
| 16:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | it was almost exactly like wow, except they got deleted after a period of inactivity |
| 16:25.35 | nevcairiel | i remember that, that was kinda sad |
| 16:25.51 | nevcairiel | guess back then storage was still expensive |
| 16:26.02 | Antze_Kaynier | actually, the best "gameplay" option would be having single-player-only local characters without possibility of multi-player, and then separate secure battle.net characters for playing with others |
| 16:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | that's what they basically did with d2 |
| 16:26.28 | Mr_Rabies | except they had the open server |
| 16:26.30 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 16:26.37 | nevcairiel | no-one really played the open servers seriously |
| 16:26.40 | Antze_Kaynier | but the first option has been dropped apparently, because... because if there's no such option, you can't steal the game |
| 16:26.43 | nevcairiel | just for trading hacked items. :p |
| 16:26.44 | Xinhuan | storage was "expensive" only because any player can create as many accounts as they wanted, nevcairiel |
| 16:26.47 | Mr_Rabies | you could take your hacked characters online but only on the open server |
| 16:26.52 | cbreak | sure you can steal the game |
| 16:26.57 | cbreak | wanna bet? :) |
| 16:27.03 | Xinhuan | so there was essentially no char limit |
| 16:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 16:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | i mean eventually people got hacked chars on realms i'm sure |
| 16:27.14 | cbreak | there are even WoW servers not operated or sanctioned by blizz... |
| 16:27.14 | nevcairiel | You'll need private servers, i bet |
| 16:27.16 | cbreak | or so I've herad |
| 16:27.19 | nevcairiel | and those for WoW all suck |
| 16:27.20 | Antze_Kaynier | but how are you going to play it? well... with hacker servers, yes |
| 16:27.31 | Antze_Kaynier | which is way more complicated |
| 16:27.38 | Antze_Kaynier | and much less percentage of people does that |
| 16:27.40 | nevcairiel | granted, wow is probably far harder to emulate, but still |
| 16:27.46 | nevcairiel | i dont see it really being the full experience |
| 16:27.56 | cbreak | single player is single player |
| 16:28.04 | cbreak | you can use the bought version when you're online |
| 16:28.19 | cbreak | best of both worlds :) |
| 16:28.31 | Antze_Kaynier | aye but you can't use the "freely downloaded" version to play single player ;) |
| 16:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | tbh single player diablo is boring as heck |
| 16:28.51 | nevcairiel | thats what i've been saying. :P |
| 16:29.07 | nevcairiel | Who knows how D3 feels playing, maybe it'll focus even more on group interaction |
| 16:29.16 | cbreak | are you still playing WoW at the moment? |
| 16:29.29 | cbreak | those anoying daily quests feel quite a bit like single player |
| 16:29.51 | cbreak | I still do it. |
| 16:29.57 | cbreak | I bet I'd be fine in single player Diablo |
| 16:29.57 | haste | damn you wine! |
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| 16:30.05 | nevcairiel | i never really was much a fan of grinding or doing those quests |
| 16:30.09 | haste | why are you changing the umask on every single file in my add-on folder |
| 16:30.28 | nevcairiel | and i stopped playing half a year ago, it was finally enough, after what, 6 years? |
| 16:31.12 | cbreak | I still play. But most in my guild stopped. |
| 16:31.26 | cbreak | We went from having 1.5 groups raiding to having maybe 3 or 4 people online at most :( |
| 16:31.50 | nevcairiel | my guild died in wotlk already, around end of ulduar |
| 16:31.52 | cbreak | I'll probably play until they shut down my server :) |
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| 16:32.10 | cbreak | well. Mine was dieing since burning crussade |
| 16:32.20 | Xinhuan | my guild died 5 months ago |
| 16:32.21 | cbreak | but we usually got ressurected near the start of expansions |
| 16:32.30 | Xinhuan | i still have a pretty much near complete set of 358 gear lol |
| 16:32.36 | nevcairiel | same, basically. |
| 16:33.08 | cbreak | I guess my guild was much more stable than normal raiding guilds, because we were not very hard core |
| 16:33.09 | nevcairiel | We survived BC barely, WotLK brought some new people, but i guess Naxx was too boring to really keep people interested in the long run |
| 16:34.09 | nevcairiel | We were server #1 in classic (because we were the first actual raiding guild to form), fighting for #1 in BC, went to 3-4 in WotLK, and then everything ended. |
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| 16:34.25 | nevcairiel | We never considered us hard-core, it just worked |
| 16:34.28 | nevcairiel | for a while. :p |
| 16:35.45 | cbreak | we were 2 in classic |
| 16:35.54 | cbreak | then 3 or 4 in bwl |
| 16:35.56 | cbreak | and nax |
| 16:36.01 | cbreak | maybe 10th |
| 16:36.06 | nevcairiel | those are still classic |
| 16:36.14 | cbreak | and lower and lower each new instance |
| 16:36.38 | cbreak | there were almost no guilds doing nax on my server |
| 16:38.03 | nevcairiel | I kinda miss the good old days, back when i had the time to play as much as i wanted, and the motivation and friends/guild to enjoy it with |
| 16:38.22 | cbreak | has 7 splinters of atiesh |
| 16:38.28 | cbreak | the only legendary items I own |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | too bad they are worthless now |
| 16:38.55 | cbreak | no. |
| 16:38.59 | cbreak | sentimental value |
| 16:39.17 | nevcairiel | i supposed. but you'll never manage to finish it |
| 16:39.28 | nevcairiel | I think the whole naxx-revival was what really killed WotLK |
| 16:39.51 | nevcairiel | I still knew every boss by heart when we entered it again |
| 16:39.52 | cbreak | I liked it |
| 16:40.07 | cbreak | my guild only killed spider wing and the instructor |
| 16:40.17 | cbreak | (the instructor was quite a bit different in the new incarnation too) |
| 16:40.24 | cbreak | and all was so much easier |
| 16:40.34 | cbreak | but somehow ulduar wasn't well received in my guild |
| 16:40.37 | cbreak | apparently too hard |
| 16:40.50 | nevcairiel | I personally enjoyed ulduar |
| 16:41.25 | nevcairiel | but more so in our 10man runs, not in the main 25man run. I guess too many of the people in the 25 were not motivated enough, so we sucked |
| 16:41.28 | cbreak | I have not much attachment to it |
| 16:41.37 | cbreak | I like new bosses, and after a few times I find them boring |
| 16:41.45 | cbreak | so I find ulduar boring. because I did it many times |
| 16:42.05 | nevcairiel | And you still manage to get yourself to do dailys every day? :p |
| 16:42.23 | cbreak | I am a collector... |
| 16:42.31 | cbreak | I want the pets/achievements/... |
| 16:43.04 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 16:43.06 | Antze_Kaynier | I want the title but have already begun to skip these dailies for 1-2 days |
| 16:43.49 | cbreak | I am not sure if that's a bug or working as intended |
| 16:43.58 | cbreak | but I have to do all the molten front quests to unlock that wind thing |
| 16:44.04 | cbreak | and go into the underground areas |
| 16:44.05 | cbreak | every day |
| 16:44.42 | Antze_Kaynier | firehog day or something |
| 16:44.58 | Antze_Kaynier | firegroundhog |
| 16:45.00 | Antze_Kaynier | whatever |
| 16:45.43 | Antze_Kaynier | pretty strange way of giving players "unique experience that allows them to feel as if they are actually progressing", if you ask me |
| 16:46.24 | cbreak | "progress" is not "same every day" :) |
| 16:46.35 | Antze_Kaynier | yes, my point |
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| 16:47.01 | Antze_Kaynier | there was progress in Quel'Danas because the quests kept changing through the unlock phase |
| 16:47.23 | cbreak | I found the AQ unlocking progress |
| 16:47.24 | Antze_Kaynier | I was hoping for something similar but on a character basis, via phasing |
| 16:47.27 | Fisker | it kinda sucks that they made Diablo 3 so you can't even play singleplayer and therefor mod it |
| 16:47.29 | cbreak | because it was over. |
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| 16:47.47 | Antze_Kaynier | with old quests being removed and outposts actually conquered |
| 16:48.04 | Antze_Kaynier | but now I'm left with this groundhog day experience, conquering forlorn spire every day |
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| 16:49.47 | Ackis | what are those plastic things that you put into drywall when you want to screw something to it? |
| 16:50.22 | Antze_Kaynier | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_plug ? |
| 16:50.29 | Ackis | holy fuck |
| 16:50.35 | Ackis | google actually worked when I typed that in |
| 16:50.42 | Antze_Kaynier | lol |
| 16:50.55 | Ackis | wall anchors |
| 16:50.58 | Jamash | google is watching youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 16:53.41 | Ackis | I think my stud finder is broken |
| 16:53.48 | Ackis | it only works when I point it at myself |
| 16:53.50 | Ackis | HAH |
| 16:53.53 | Ackis | Torhal|work: ^ |
| 16:55.25 | Ackis | you know, battle LA would be better if the aliens won :( |
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| 16:57.25 | nevcairiel | did the aliens every win in any movie |
| 16:58.21 | Jamash | technically speaking, in the Alien movies the humans are also aliens on the various planets |
| 16:58.22 | Wobin | Cocoon? |
| 16:58.36 | Torhal|work | nails a 2x4 to Ackis. |
| 16:58.39 | Wobin | Event Horizon? |
| 16:58.44 | nevcairiel | I guess in Avatar the aliens won |
| 16:58.53 | nevcairiel | but they were good aliens |
| 16:58.56 | nevcairiel | so meh |
| 16:59.10 | Ackis | nevcairiel: some Outer Limits episodes the aliens won (tv show, not movie though) |
| 16:59.17 | Wobin | The ewok endor movie? |
| 16:59.23 | nevcairiel | the what? |
| 16:59.28 | Jamash | the who? |
| 16:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yub yub! |
| 16:59.38 | Ackis | you never watched Out Limits? |
| 16:59.48 | nevcairiel | i was respoding to wobin |
| 16:59.50 | Wobin | ET? |
| 16:59.51 | Ackis | ah |
| 16:59.52 | Jamash | do not attempt to adjust your set |
| 16:59.58 | Wobin | oh, I can't recall specifically |
| 17:00.04 | Wobin | I just remember some ewok movie |
| 17:00.07 | Wobin | caravan of something or other |
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| 17:00.11 | Ackis | shit some of those outer limit episodes still haunt my dreams |
| 17:00.15 | Ackis | needs to buy that series |
| 17:00.21 | nevcairiel | lets rephrase that, when did the bad aliens ever win? :p |
| 17:00.29 | Wobin | Event Horizon =P |
| 17:00.45 | bluspacecow | Domino's Pizza |
| 17:00.54 | Jamash | except on modern tvs you can no longer adjust your horizontal or vertical synchronization |
| 17:00.59 | nevcairiel | hollywood strongly believes in the happy end |
| 17:01.16 | Wobin | Jamash: which makes the instruction even more valid! |
| 17:01.24 | Jamash | nevcairiel: man is the real monster |
| 17:01.46 | Wobin | nevcairiel: that's why I liked all the chinese tragedies they did, like CTHD and Hero |
| 17:01.51 | Jamash | District 9 has an ambiguous ending which is nice |
| 17:02.07 | Jamash | Wobin: Hero is pro-chinese propaganda fyi |
| 17:02.24 | Wobin | Jamash: they're -all- pro chinese propaganda |
| 17:02.27 | Wobin | it's what china -does- |
| 17:02.33 | Jamash | *pro-unification chinese propaganda |
| 17:02.55 | Wobin | Jamash: but it's also very -pretty- propaganda =P |
| 17:03.13 | Jamash | CTHD is more about the people, Hero is about how awesome dictatorships are |
| 17:03.16 | Wobin | They did awesome things with the colour themes |
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| 17:03.43 | Jamash | or rather, how dictatorships are terrible but better than the alternatives |
| 17:03.48 | Wobin | Jamash: I dunno. they're all tragedies |
| 17:03.58 | bluspacecow | BBL |
| 17:04.01 | Wobin | ie, everyone you relate to dies in the end =P |
| 17:04.37 | Wobin | but it's nice to have stories where there isn't necessarily a -happy- ending |
| 17:04.42 | Wobin | like Hollywood would have you believe |
| 17:04.50 | Jamash | also, Qin Shi Huang is M. Bison |
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| 17:09.30 | Jamash | "to you, that was the most important day of your life, but to me... it was apricot 15" |
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| 17:10.57 | Ackis | so I got mad at someone in my guild the other day and I told him if he keeps this shit up I'm going to punch him through the internet |
| 17:11.18 | Jamash | FALCON... |
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| 17:12.02 | Jamash | actually, mail him one of those jack-in-the-boxes with a boxing glove on a spring |
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| 17:15.25 | Ackis | I need to get smart, apparently my DNS-323 has a UPnP AV server and can support bit torrents |
| 17:17.09 | Jamash | so where's Fisker? I figured he'd be in here have a trollgasm over the DIII RMT announcement |
| 17:17.15 | Jamash | *having |
| 17:17.22 | Fisker | there's nothing to troll Jamash |
| 17:17.25 | Fisker | it's fucking awesome |
| 17:17.38 | Jamash | speak of the devil! |
| 17:17.43 | Fisker | Blizzard is literally amazing |
| 17:17.56 | Fisker | They basically solved issues i had with Diablo 2 |
| 17:18.01 | Jamash | I look forward to the drama when people get their accounts haxored and their items sold for real money |
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| 17:18.26 | Fisker | If they're any smart they'll probably have like a 30-day release period on money |
| 17:18.44 | Fisker | meaning that they can always wire back the transactions if something like that happens and it's reported just somewhat immediately |
| 17:18.47 | Jamash | they should require an authenticator for DIII |
| 17:18.57 | Jamash | no exceptions |
| 17:18.58 | nevcairiel | real money leaves a bigger paper trail then wow gold, it might not be the best idea. :p |
| 17:19.00 | bluspacecow | unfortunately Jamash |
| 17:19.03 | Kraps_w | i just logged on to say WHOA |
| 17:19.15 | bluspacecow | Fisker troll-ploded from extra trollingness |
| 17:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | Whoa! |
| 17:19.25 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 17:20.25 | Jamash | I kinda wish they hadn't brought back the barbarian |
| 17:20.33 | Kraps_w | this stuff is pretty crazy |
| 17:20.35 | nevcairiel | my only issue with the whole thing is that you probably wont be able to buy anything good on the gold-AH |
| 17:20.42 | Jamash | least interesting class imo |
| 17:20.45 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 17:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, check out my crispy sunburn picture on G+. :) |
| 17:20.48 | Fisker | that's the thing |
| 17:21.00 | Fisker | The two are intertwined |
| 17:21.13 | Jamash | nevcairiel: you will, it will just cost a zillion gold from people buying gold to use on the gold AH |
| 17:21.33 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:22.06 | nevcairiel | The only link between those auction houses seems to be that i can sell my gold for money, and in turn buy stuff on the money-AH |
| 17:22.10 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: oh OWW, that looks painful |
| 17:22.12 | Fisker | exactly |
| 17:22.20 | Jamash | I want wholly separate servers for RMT and non-RMT characters |
| 17:22.22 | Kraps_w | so battle.net will have a bank, this will make hackings infinity times worse |
| 17:22.24 | Fisker | That's what makes it great imo |
| 17:22.38 | nevcairiel | Jamash: they said thats not going to happen |
| 17:22.48 | Jamash | nevcairiel: they say a lot of things |
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| 17:23.23 | nevcairiel | I dont think thats a point that makes sense to split the playerbase on |
| 17:23.32 | Jamash | I do |
| 17:23.36 | Kraps_w | Jamash: We want to provide a secure, fun environment for our players |
| 17:23.39 | Kraps_w | k? |
| 17:24.13 | Jamash | Kraps_w: n |
| 17:24.18 | Fisker | y? |
| 17:24.21 | Kraps_w | pls |
| 17:24.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm immune to lidocaine too, Cairenn, so it's me and the aloe. Never again with the sunlight!! |
| 17:24.42 | nevcairiel | D2 gold was basically worthless - i guess it depends on what D3 gold is worth to see if farming gold is actually a viable alternative to just getting a job and spending that money on items instead. :P |
| 17:24.42 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.39 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy not if i report Cairenn for not using her real name |
| 17:25.50 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I can imagine (no more sun). |
| 17:26.00 | Kraps_w | Lopeppeppy: had an amazing revelation this summer with spray-on suntan lotion, its way awesome |
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| 17:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | No sun at Pennsic. Yeep! |
| 17:26.49 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: eh, that's going to be hard to do |
| 17:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, that's what I use, SPF 70. I sweated off the narrow band at my neckline - nowhere else got burned. Not my ears, nose, arms, legs, other side of my neck. Just there. |
| 17:27.14 | Kraps_w | "To that end, it may be necessary to change stats or alter abilities of items from time to time. Itâs very important to note that Blizzard will not be providing refunds or making other accommodations if a purchased item is later altered in a patch. Given this, it's up to players to determine whether they're comfortable purchasing items in the currency-based auction house." |
| 17:27.39 | Kraps_w | hmm |
| 17:27.42 | bluspacecow | ie if they change the item to have better stats in the future sucks to be you ! |
| 17:27.44 | Fisker | damnit Cairenn |
| 17:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | I have a big ugly floppity hat, and a scarf/wrap for Pennsic. And I shall be sitting down by the bog from noon to 5, every day. :) |
| 17:27.50 | Fisker | Who is Tu-Anh Tran? |
| 17:27.58 | bluspacecow | "Pennsic" |
| 17:28.02 | bluspacecow | what is that ? |
| 17:28.16 | Cairenn | Why on earth does everyone keep asking -me- who Tu-Anh Tran is? |
| 17:28.27 | nevcairiel | well who is he? |
| 17:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | I go camping with 15K of my best SCA friends, bluspacecow. Very awesome. |
| 17:28.36 | Cairenn | bluspacecow: big time good fun with 13k+ of your closest friends |
| 17:28.52 | Kraps_w | I accidentally lost or dropped an item I just purchased -- can I get a refund? |
| 17:28.54 | Kraps_w | No. After a purchase is made, players will be responsible for what they do with the item. |
| 17:29.19 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: have they actually finally given in and admitted that they're at or over 15k? |
| 17:29.24 | bluspacecow | g+ invite from random person who hasn't filled out their profile page of who their toon is ? |
| 17:29.57 | Fisker | Cairenn you're girl you care about that stuff on a daily basis :( |
| 17:30.13 | Fisker | I only care about it when someone unknown comes up and i'm like "who the fuck is that?" |
| 17:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | On a daily basis, no way, Cairenn! Overall for the event, yes. I think that's their loophole. |
| 17:30.30 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 17:30.47 | Fisker | SCA btw? |
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| 17:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | Googlefy it! Society for Creative Anachronism - medieval reenactment |
| 17:31.19 | Cairenn | I couldn't see them admitting it daily, they'd have so many things they'd have to 'have' if they did. Logistical nightmare. |
| 17:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. They'll move heaven and earth to swear they're under whatever the minimum cutoff is for all the "major event" things. |
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| 17:32.14 | Cairenn | Well, it's more than just 'major event', even |
| 17:32.15 | Kraps_w | why, is there a tax bracket? |
| 17:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Like hospital services and stuff, Kraps. Big time infrastructure jump. |
| 17:33.02 | Cairenn | No. If on a daily basis they are over [x] people ... yeah, what she said. |
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| 17:33.35 | Cairenn | ... [x] people, they are actually considered a town and have to have an actual honest to god hospital, etc. |
| 17:33.55 | Kraps_w | wow |
| 17:34.00 | Cairenn | Yep |
| 17:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | It's a big jump, so they twist and turn and wiggle to not ever have to make it. :) |
| 17:34.53 | Cairenn | No way the campground is going to want a hospital built on their grounds, simple because for 2 weeks out of the entire year, the pop. goes over [x] |
| 17:35.31 | Cairenn | s/simple/simply/ |
| 17:37.04 | Kraps_w | so... in anyone raging yet over D3 having a constant connection? /checks reddit |
| 17:37.46 | Cairenn | or that it's going to have RMT? |
| 17:37.58 | bt | after sc2 no supprise there |
| 17:38.19 | bt | also did someone say torchlight? |
| 17:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | Hospital, police presence, I've heard lots of things... they all come down to *expensive, do not want* |
| 17:38.37 | Cairenn | Yep |
| 17:39.12 | Kraps_w | Cairenn: the saving grace for the RMT is that blizzard wont be selling stuff and the will be level caps on items |
| 17:39.43 | Kraps_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/j5hjk/diablo_3_to_require_always_on_internet_connection/?sort=top 2000+ comments |
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| 17:39.55 | Kraps_w | yep, rage |
| 17:40.51 | Ackis | it pissed me off |
| 17:41.04 | Ackis | WoW requires an always on internet connection |
| 17:41.07 | Ackis | like wtf! |
| 17:41.37 | Kraps_w | wat |
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| 17:44.10 | Kraps_w | i must work |
| 17:46.32 | TC-Laptop | what is RMT? |
| 17:46.41 | cralor | real money transaction? |
| 17:46.51 | TC-Laptop | ah |
| 17:47.22 | TC-Laptop | instead of pay-to-play it's play-to-pay |
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| 17:49.05 | cralor | I haven't read up on it yet, but from what I saw I believe you can trade with other players over RMT |
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| 17:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | I like that phrase, TC-Laptop. |
| 17:49.17 | Ackis | doesn't SC2 require a 100% active account? |
| 17:49.27 | cralor | initial login, yes |
| 17:49.31 | cralor | subsequent, no |
| 17:49.49 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:50.23 | cralor | Yeah you get offline access to the Singe Player window |
| 17:50.42 | Ackis | would it make sense to merge my fiancee and my battle.net account? I have a few extra blizzcon goodies she doesn't have so she'd get them if they were merged, but we have 6 wow licenses between us and two SC2 CE's... so would we be able to play SC2 against each other if we merged em? |
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| 17:53.20 | cralor | I don't think so |
| 17:54.37 | Dewin | I don't see why not? You can still play multiple wow accounts under one BN account after all. |
| 17:55.44 | cralor | Would you get the option to be a different SC2 char though? |
| 17:55.56 | Lopeppeppy | Survey says.... if you don't want to lose it, I wouldn't merge it... |
| 17:56.14 | cralor | I agree :) |
| 17:57.24 | bluspacecow | *steals Peppy's floppy hat and puts it on* |
| 17:58.02 | mckenziemc | sharing a b.net account is against ToU too |
| 17:58.21 | cralor | Yeah |
| 17:58.30 | Ackis | I promise to only log in when I'm inside her, that way we're one person |
| 17:58.31 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:58.37 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 17:58.39 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 17:58.40 | bluspacecow | giggity ! |
| 17:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | No way. Gimme my ugly hat. I'll get sick without it. You won't want me sick. |
| 17:59.23 | bluspacecow | *jams thick wooley hat on peppy* |
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| 18:06.07 | bluspacecow | yay i go homes nows |
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| 18:27.12 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 18:27.13 | Fisker | reported |
| 18:27.17 | Fisker | R E P O R T E D |
| 18:29.36 | TC-Laptop | i agree Fisker, he is never inside a woman. |
| 18:30.08 | TC-Laptop | Lopeppeppy: yea, i had a vision in my head of 'legal gold farming' |
| 18:30.15 | TC-Laptop | blizz is smart to embrace it |
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| 18:38.47 | olafski | I do so wonder how it will play out |
| 18:38.57 | olafski | I wasn't going to get diablo 3 but I think I will now |
| 18:39.34 | olafski | I can't really imagine prices going to be very high.. certainly not as high as on the screenshots we've seen |
| 18:39.35 | nevcairiel | i already pre-ordered it :d |
| 18:39.44 | olafski | I don't really see a reason to do that :P |
| 18:39.53 | olafski | and I can't believe they still haven't "fixed" that + sign for a T :< |
| 18:39.57 | TC-Laptop | olafski: what changed your mind? |
| 18:40.16 | Fisker | i preordered it |
| 18:40.18 | olafski | the latest announcement of course :) |
| 18:40.26 | Fisker | but i'm not sure if i should cancel, then get a new CC then preorder again |
| 18:40.35 | TC-Laptop | olafski: the part where you can make monies from it? |
| 18:41.19 | Fisker | what do you think nevcairiel ? |
| 18:41.32 | nevcairiel | why do i care about what CC you use to preorder |
| 18:41.39 | olafski | no I just want to see what happens tc-laptop :) |
| 18:41.49 | olafski | I really don't think I'd be able to make any money off of that |
| 18:41.58 | olafski | didn't they say they wanted to reduce the "MF'ing" by the way? |
| 18:42.11 | olafski | e.g. no equipping a set with +800% MF and doing repeated boss runs |
| 18:43.19 | Fisker | i didn't say you care |
| 18:43.23 | Fisker | just asked if i should |
| 18:43.48 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with your CC |
| 18:44.13 | nevcairiel | olafski: the whole MF attribute was stupid |
| 18:44.29 | olafski | indeed |
| 18:44.59 | bt | UnitSpellHaste equals meele haste? |
| 18:45.25 | Fisker | nothing nevcairiel |
| 18:45.28 | Fisker | but it expires in 01/12 |
| 18:45.35 | Fisker | so not sure if it keeps the preorder through that |
| 18:45.41 | Fisker | in the event it's not out before 2012 |
| 18:46.18 | nevcairiel | i pre-ordered on amazon, can always change shipment and payment options without canceling the order |
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| 18:47.30 | TC-Laptop | i wonder if the D3 CE will be worth it |
| 18:50.36 | olafski | a box instead of a digital download, no ty ;) |
| 18:51.32 | TC-Laptop | but you can have both |
| 18:51.39 | TC-Laptop | since blizz now offer digital DL's |
| 18:51.44 | TC-Laptop | offers* |
| 18:52.37 | Arrowmaster | can you have both without paying extra? |
| 18:53.12 | TC-Laptop | i assume so since the digital DL is something blizz just does |
| 18:53.39 | Arrowmaster | i mean without purchasing the game once from blizz and once from somewhere else |
| 18:53.56 | Arrowmaster | does blizz sell the boxed CE themselves |
| 18:54.07 | TC-Laptop | you put in the key to battle.net |
| 18:54.14 | TC-Laptop | once it is there you have the digital DL |
| 18:54.31 | durcyn | way to misunderstand the question |
| 18:54.32 | Arrowmaster | not the same as what i was meaning |
| 18:54.57 | nevcairiel | He probably wants the DL on release night, and get the box per mail a day later. :p |
| 18:55.01 | Arrowmaster | i was meaning like how with the last wow expansion you could purchase it from blizz and play the second the servers went live |
| 18:55.08 | Fisker | with Cataclysm they let you add Cataclysm to a new account |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker | but generally no |
| 18:55.32 | TC-Laptop | well blizz has a store, they might do that |
| 18:55.37 | durcyn | i don't believe you can get a boxed copy directly from blizzard, i ended up using amazon last time |
| 18:55.41 | durcyn | for the CE |
| 18:55.44 | TC-Laptop | but i would guess no from a brick and mortar |
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| 18:55.51 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:56.08 | TC-Laptop | keeping |
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| 19:12.54 | Fisker | can't do that here nevcairiel |
| 19:12.57 | Fisker | atleast i don't think so |
| 19:16.18 | AcidWeb | Sigh... that is something new. Man dont want send me his entire arena/battleground database so i cant debug error that he reported -.- |
| 19:17.01 | Fisker | ell oh ell? |
| 19:17.22 | Torhal|work | Fisker: double-ewe tee eff? |
| 19:17.27 | Lunessa | There a huge effort out there to protect data on your computer and you - a total stranger - want him to send you files from it. Can you blame him? |
| 19:17.42 | Fisker | umad Torhal|work ? |
| 19:17.54 | Torhal|work | chillax, Fisker |
| 19:17.54 | Fisker | i want to punch you Lunessa |
| 19:18.45 | AcidWeb | Lunessa: I dont ask him for CC detalis. Only one big array with list of his arena matches. |
| 19:19.00 | Lunessa | he doesn't know what in that file. |
| 19:19.33 | AcidWeb | He know. Because he pasted me only one of 3 arrays here. |
| 19:20.28 | AcidWeb | Anyway. |
| 19:20.31 | AcidWeb | His loss. |
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| 19:34.50 | olafski | tc-laptop: I meant that I don't want a box ;) |
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| 19:48.14 | TC-Laptop | olafski: companies do make digital CE's |
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| 20:37.29 | bt | is it possible to get the number of enemies in radius x from the player? |
| 20:42.07 | Lunessa | No, not really. |
| 20:42.22 | Lunessa | Unless they do something that shows in the combat log. |
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| 20:47.30 | bt | how would you determine distance? there seems no function that is not boolean, check if spells are usable eg target in range and aproximate over that ? |
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| 20:53.06 | Arrowmaster | you cant get exact distance unless the unit shows on the worldmap like party/raid members do |
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| 20:54.39 | bt | what about tracking? |
| 20:54.52 | bt | ah nvm my error |
| 20:54.56 | bt | worldmap not minimap |
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| 20:59.19 | alestane | !api GetItemInfo |
| 20:59.19 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 20:59.36 | alestane | !api ItemCooldown |
| 20:59.37 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'ItemCooldown': GetContainerItemCooldown, GetQuestLogSpecialItemCooldown, GetInventoryItemCooldown, GetItemCooldown |
| 21:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | is there any kind of extension for npcscan_overlay that adds ALL rarespawns? |
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| 21:23.44 | olafski | even the common ones that don't give anything good? oO |
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| 21:40.54 | foxlit | fable 3 is amusing |
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| 21:46.57 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVqkjYRbw-U < They've given up all pretense of being serious. |
| 21:47.04 | foxlit | [note: game within a game.] |
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| 21:59.37 | Lunessa | ROFL - http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldqx02Gd6d1qbt3dyo1_500.png |
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| 22:04.47 | pompy | http://blog.dota2.com/2011/08/announcing-the-international/ |
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| 22:31.04 | Fisker | Sixen please |
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| 22:32.13 | Kraps_ipod | http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9172865.jpg |
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| 23:11.10 | Cide | that's pretty silly Kraps |
| 23:11.22 | Kraps | why |
| 23:12.02 | Cide | blizzard has no authority over internet websites unless they sue and even so that takes a long time |
| 23:12.42 | Cide | it's pretty much impossible for them to stop RMT on the "black market" so to say; all they can do is prevent the transaction in-game from taking place |
| 23:12.56 | Cide | and that isn't so bad in wow when most transactions are about money |
| 23:13.28 | Cide | but doing it in a game where it's about a single item there is no real distinction between a black market RM trade and a legit transaction between two players |
| 23:13.52 | Cide | unlike other games that have RMT they don't create any items themselves |
| 23:13.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah now the transactions not conducted through blizzards store will carry an increased fear of possibly being ripped off because otherwise why not just use the blizzard provided method |
| 23:14.01 | Cide | they just let players trade with each other |
| 23:14.26 | Cide | whereas you have other games where they actually provide infinite amounts of items to willing buyers |
| 23:14.52 | Cide | and the whole taxing thing is stupid |
| 23:15.15 | Cide | every single transaction costs money for blizzard (in terms of third party service providers taking a cut) |
| 23:15.38 | Cide | so for them not to lose money they need to take a cut as well (and it's flat and not percentage based anyway) |
| 23:15.45 | Arrowmaster | payment processor will also take a cut |
| 23:15.51 | Cide | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 23:16.00 | Cide | so the whole argument seems pretty silly |
| 23:16.16 | Cide | only real problem is dealing with botters that heavily inflate the amount of items in the economy |
| 23:16.22 | Cide | hopefully they can deal with that |
| 23:16.49 | Lunessa | I suspect that there will be a lot of people who try it and then decide it's not for them. |
| 23:17.11 | Cide | real money ah? |
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| 23:20.11 | Lunessa | No, the effort and the costs (listing, cuts to the processor and Blizzard) and they'll just not be interested in being sellers for real cash. |
| 23:21.23 | Cide | why not? |
| 23:21.39 | Cide | we're not sure what the cuts will amount to in the first place |
| 23:22.33 | Dagmar | Half a dumpling. |
| 23:22.41 | Lunessa | Say a subscription fee is $15/month (i'm going to use US dollars 'cause Euros don't make sense to me) |
| 23:22.54 | Lunessa | How much extra are you willing to spend to gear up? |
| 23:23.04 | Cide | diablo 3 won't have a subscription-based model will it? |
| 23:23.57 | Lunessa | That's my cut off for pricing. If my buyers aren't willing to pay enough to make the transactions costs worth the time/fees then many potential sellers won't list things for Real Money and inststead will opt for in-game currency. |
| 23:24.17 | Dagmar | Maybe for sellers. I can't see a single-player game requiring a subscription. |
| 23:24.26 | Cide | even so, all it takes is for some people to establish a real money pool |
| 23:24.34 | Lunessa | I don't know. But it depends on what people will be willing to spend. (I've never really looked into RMT business as a potential seller) |
| 23:24.38 | Cide | and then I can sell and buy using that currency without ever using my credit card |
| 23:24.59 | Cide | of course that's just what gold essentially is at that point, but meh |
| 23:25.23 | Xyphoid | what's weird is that i guess the D2 real-money sellers is a relatively small proportion of the people who ever played d2, but a large proportion of the people currently playing d2 |
| 23:25.27 | Lunessa | I just suspect that some majority of players will try it once or twice, be disappointed in their $3.50 and stop doing it. |
| 23:25.40 | Xyphoid | but now it'll be there for everyone, worth considering for every drop |
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| 23:25.53 | Cide | I just play diablo 3 to have fun myself and I don't really enjoy buying my way to awesomeness |
| 23:26.01 | Cide | or rather, I will just play (since it's not out yet) |
| 23:26.13 | Dagmar | ..or worth ignoring. |
| 23:26.14 | Arrowmaster | its probably only going to be the super rare expensive things that go up on the RMT market |
| 23:26.29 | Cide | but if people are willing to pay for the awesome item I found but have no use for, /shrug |
| 23:26.53 | Xyphoid | i mean, when you think about d3, do you want a sequel to d2 as you remember it fondly or d2 as it is now, a hive of scum and botters |
| 23:27.21 | Dagmar | I want to hear that we'll be allowed to skin spammers and make hats and satchels. |
| 23:27.22 | Lunessa | Cide: Me too. (especially if I can remap the controls from what I saw in the demos) - I just suspect the buyer's will out-number the sellers by a very large margin and only those with a real keen interest in the RMT part will keep at it. |
| 23:27.40 | Cide | I would expect it to go the other way |
| 23:28.01 | Cide | anyone can sell for real money, but to *buy* for real money you either need to use your credit card or establish a real money balance by selling before |
| 23:28.16 | Lunessa | We'll see when it ships, huh? It'll be fun to watch. |
| 23:28.36 | Cide | indeed |
| 23:28.45 | Lunessa | I expect they'll end up with someone like PayPal and not something like BitCoin. |
| 23:28.48 | Cide | knowing blizzard they'll get it right eventually if not right away |
| 23:28.50 | Xyphoid | i wonder what currency it'll use, USD the whole way? |
| 23:29.04 | Lunessa | They said in the FAQ dollars and Euros. |
| 23:29.37 | Lunessa | Possibly some other currencies for other regions (china anyone?) |
| 23:30.14 | Kraps | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/j5uez/america_needs_to_take_a_lesson_from_blizzard/c29e79j |
| 23:31.05 | Cide | even so |
| 23:31.21 | Cide | if it doesn't turn out useful for me, I don't see what the controversy is all about |
| 23:31.49 | Cide | it doesn't really hurt me that some random guy across the globe bought his way to a bigger sword than I have |
| 23:32.45 | Lunessa | Right. And they apparently don't let you buy/sell in Hardcore mode (or have some other limits). I don't care if you have better stuff - I might envy it, but I get to play the same game. |
| 23:33.16 | Cide | and since I'll be playing with friends I doubt I'll pass said person's path anyway |
| 23:33.56 | Lunessa | I expect that you're right. |
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| 23:37.01 | foxlit | It's cute how quickly this turns from complete farce to complete seriousness. |
| 23:37.53 | Cide | nou |
| 23:38.24 | foxlit | this being fable 3 |
| 23:43.24 | foxlit | Help this blind guy cross the desert? Yes/No? Yes? You can abandon him at any time by pressing Q. Oh, screw it, we're just going to ignore your decision in a cutscene. |
| 23:45.39 | Lunessa | foxlit: So abandoning him doesn't leave him to desiccate and become a monster you fight later? I am disappoint. |
| 23:48.02 | foxlit | Lunessa: the villain is being awesome, though |
| 23:48.19 | Lunessa | One of these days I suppose I should play these "Fable" games. |
| 23:48.24 | Arrowmaster | the brother? |
| 23:48.39 | foxlit | not the brother. You don't see much of the brother, really |
| 23:48.54 | foxlit | But when you do, he's impersonating the queen of hearts |
| 23:48.55 | Arrowmaster | or the 'new' villain that was just introduced |
| 23:49.37 | foxlit | reaver is awesome too |
| 23:50.20 | karl_w_w | fable schmable |
| 23:52.40 | Arrowmaster | reaver ruins the ending of the 2nd game |
| 23:53.32 | foxlit | 2 isn't on PC |
| 23:53.38 | foxlit | So I'm blissfully ignorant :) |
| 23:53.48 | Arrowmaster | 2 was much better than 3 |
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| 23:54.57 | foxlit | I seem to like 3. |
| 23:57.57 | Arrowmaster | god damn sniper |
