IRC log for #wowuidev on 20110731

00:01.45IrielFunnily I've just moved a bunch of stuff to a pair of linux VM's running on an OSX machine
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00:05.38aggixxargh, stupid irc client, ignore that.
00:08.45kd3geez... hb#3 just shy of $850k already
00:10.54Fiskerold kd3
00:18.03Torhaleats Fisker's brains.
00:46.58pantsninjacrap. It's been too long since I messed with addon dev last. I forgot how to debug things.
00:47.01pantsninjaDERP
00:47.54Cairenn~dev tools
00:47.59Cairenn~devtools
00:47.59purlIriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at   http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999  Why isn't it in the default client yet?
00:48.08DewinIsn't that kind of outdated?
00:48.12Dewinsince it IS in the default client now?
00:48.25pantsninjaYeah. I was just remembering things like /eventtrace and /run and /dump
00:48.27pantsninjaOH YEAH
00:48.35pantsninjaI forgot about /dump until I wrote it!
00:48.57pantsninjais extra 'special' today
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01:43.50pompyhttp://gamerant.com/enderman-minecraft-mob-riley-98062/
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02:36.14GhostfromTexashttp://wowinterface.com/downloads/info20152-DamnTrain.html
02:42.11Krapshttp://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/30/mlgs-starcraft-2-anaheim-tourney-live/#more-68075
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03:01.59Krapsis MLG in the future for FS? :p
03:06.14Krapswrong channel :/
03:06.39Cideyou should be ashamed of yourself Kraps
03:06.43Krapswhy?
03:06.58Cidewrong channel is a crime
03:07.37Krapsaggravated channeling?
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03:08.36ccoxNote: stupid BAT files only work on Windows
03:08.52Cidenote: stupid sh files only work on linux
03:09.02ccoxand MacOS
03:09.05Cidesame thing
03:09.47Cidemy point being that there isn't really a cross-compatible approach unless you go with like python but that raises the barrier of entry by a fair margin
03:09.58ccoxone has applications, the other has Linus - not the same
03:10.10Cideone is based on the other
03:10.13ccoxOr he could create a bat file for Win and a sh file for unix
03:10.17Torhalo.O
03:10.26TorhalOne is based on the other, eh?
03:10.37Torhal*cough*bullshit*cough*
03:10.43Cideis mac osx not built on linux?
03:10.46TorhalNo
03:10.57TorhalA variant of FreeBSD called Darwin.
03:11.03Cideyeah yeah
03:11.05Torhal:P
03:11.07Cide*nix then
03:11.37Cidemy point is still valid even though technically it was technically inaccurate
03:12.03TorhalYou keep creating paradocies.
03:12.17CideI am confused?
03:12.22Torhal:D
03:13.08Cideregardless
03:13.29Cidebat files are not stupid because they only work on windows
03:13.46Cidejust like sh files are not stupid because they only work on *nix
03:13.59Cideand mac osx yes
03:16.37Dewinw
03:17.27Nobgulwell sh files can work on windows
03:17.49Cidesee barrier of entry above
03:17.57NobgulYea i got ya
03:18.50Cidenaturally bat+sh would have been best, but given that the majority of wow's player base is on windows it's pretty likely that the author is as well
03:20.55DagmarPerl > bat/sh
03:21.24Cidesee barrier of entry above
03:21.37TorhalI thought Perl was "make up syntax as you go".
03:22.00DagmarThat's called flexibility, but it *can* be trusted to work on any platform it's been installed on, and work consistently
03:22.14Cideso can python, java, ...
03:22.17Cidelua
03:22.28DagmarPerl is awesomer.
03:22.30Cidephp, ruby
03:23.01TrelaYou just named one awesome language and it was not Ruby.
03:23.20Cidepython? yes, I'm aware
03:23.32mckenziemcnah, ellipsis is better
03:23.32DagmarOne look at the minecraft forums sez why not java
03:23.53TorhalHuh? The forums are PHP.
03:23.54Krapswhere can i see the list of casters at MLG?
03:24.04Cidefor sc2?
03:24.04Nobgulwrong wroom again eh
03:24.23Cidedjwheat, day9, husky, mr bitter?
03:24.24DagmarNo, because of the number of windows noobs that can't figure out how to launch a jar
03:24.30TorhalAh
03:24.55KrapsCide: what about halo?
03:24.59Cideno idea
03:25.02CideI only watch sc2
03:25.33Krapsi think one of them is that cool guy i like
03:26.16Krapsforgot his name
03:27.34CideI'm not casting no
03:28.20Krapsno Cide just no
03:29.29Cideo ok
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03:54.24airtonixccox: umadbro?
03:59.32Krapsairtonix: youbro bro?
04:00.11IrielDagmar: lamer still is that the windows install has an executable launcher
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04:06.17Kraps"The head of the Iranian military on Saturday accused “the Zionists” of being behind the terrorist attacks in Norway, the Iranian state-owned English-language broadcaster Press TV reported on Saturday. "
04:06.27Krapsoh Iran, u so silly
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04:11.37airtonixwhy
04:12.11mckenziemcbecause you said so
04:12.17airtonixwater fills a cup, so your argument is invalid
04:12.43mckenziemcyou sleeptalk, so your argument is invalid too
04:13.01airtonixstalker
04:13.18TorhalWell, mckenziemc, you sleep-stalk.
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04:15.43mckenziemcyou'd better lock your doors and windows tonight then
04:17.35kd3wth, seriously? http://i.imgur.com/5MSzs.jpg
04:21.17Cideget that processing power for the ultimate minecraft experience yeahh
04:24.00IrielBizarre, unless you're hosting
04:24.05Irielin which case, maybe they're onto something
04:39.24ccoxair - no, just suggesting that his script could be made a bit more useful, and until then should be documented as platform specific
04:41.41Corrodiasaren't scripts kind of platform-specific by default?
04:41.56Corrodiasoh, shell scripts
04:41.59Corrodiasnever mind, other kinds aren't
04:42.48kd3wait, what? http://i.imgur.com/V2wxB.jpg
04:43.12Nobgulhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/1410128207.png
04:43.13Nobgul^^
04:43.30Corrodiasnow that there is some decent upstream
04:43.45kd3I'd say something but I don't want to get pissed off
04:44.05Corrodiassay pudding
04:44.05Nobgulme new connection
04:44.08Nobgulmy*
04:45.04kd3I'll just go to bed with grr: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/610656e053353f863934d5afdb0d940c.png
04:45.34Nobgul=/
04:45.50Nobgulsomeone linked a 7mbps download in here yesterdfay not sure who it was
04:47.13Corrodiasaww. :( that's like low-end dsl on kd3's part there
04:47.41kd3I was paying for more initially but realized the line wouldn't support it
04:47.41Nobgullol
04:47.51kd3so I dropped down to the second-lowest grade
04:48.01kd3seriously, second lowest. that in of itself is pathetic
04:48.02Nobgul2 years ago i had dsl, used to leech at 150k a sec. i feel your pain
04:48.18Irielhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/1410131874.png
04:48.20dolbystop feeling people up Nobgul
04:48.27IrielI just switched to that today
04:48.29Nobgulhides
04:49.25kd3anyway, time for zzz. 6 hour drive today. on "vacation" for a week doing housework at both sets of grandparents' places. blah
04:49.26Iriel(It was installed on thursday, but today I switched where my LAN cable connected)
04:49.26DewinI download torrents by using a pair of binoculars and a guy waving semaphores.  I don't understand how you guys are getting such fast speeds.
04:49.38Irielkd3: FUN! (not)
04:49.47kd3indeed
04:49.47Nobgulnight kd3
04:50.42Dewinwe tried having the guy wave USB sticks instead but the transmission losses were 100% so the bandwidth didn't matter.
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04:51.35airtonixDewin: because they worship the devil
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04:56.39kaidenHey all, i'm trying to find the sound file name of the click sound that occurs when you spam spells, it also occurs when you cast a spell with no target. i've been beating myself up trying to find it, they used to be controlled by the Fizzle sounds... but those dont work anymore, or I don't have all of the Fizzle names, i thought there were only 5 of them, any help would be greatly appreciated!
04:59.09Nobgulerr
04:59.49NobgulI used ot have a dump of all the sound names and the uses, let me see if i backed it up
05:00.53kaideni have the full list of sound names in front of me
05:00.58kaideni just can't find the right one :(
05:01.13kaidenand sadly, it would kill me if i were to go through every single one since there are 34,366 of them
05:01.14kaidenhehe
05:01.38bluspacecow….
05:01.46bluspacecowlolz nobgul
05:01.57Nobgulluzssec?
05:02.09airtonixhe backed up a dump
05:02.12bluspacecowhai2u
05:02.14Nobgullol
05:02.18Nobgulsup bluspacecow
05:02.23airtonixumad?
05:02.28Nobgulnever
05:02.54bluspacecowi'm not sure what the fizzle sound is either
05:03.23kaidendarn, was hoping you'd know since you are the resident sound list maker ;)
05:03.35bluspacecowheh
05:03.41bluspacecowhaven't updated for 4.2 yet
05:03.43bluspacecowi is lazy
05:03.54kaideni've replaced all of the Fizzles, all of the spell casts, all of the Interface sounds
05:04.04bluspacecowi'm showing 10 fillzes
05:04.19bluspacecowno wait
05:04.19bluspacecow5
05:04.21bluspacecow>_>
05:06.23mckenziemcblu's brain fizzled, messing up the count
05:06.29bluspacecowhmmm
05:07.28bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
05:07.35bluspacecowtry that one in game ?
05:08.10kaideni replaced the .wav of that, but maybe i forgot to do the ogg let me try it
05:08.40kaideni hate how when replacing these we have to make a .wav and a .ogg for every single one :(
05:08.47kaidennope not it
05:11.38kaidenfound it
05:11.44kaiden/script PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Interface\\uChatScrollButton.ogg")
05:11.55Blu|HungryBBL
05:11.58kaidenbut why the hell is it playing that when i cast
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05:33.35Stanzillakaiden \o
05:33.43kaidenhey stan how ya been
05:34.09Stanzillastill alive!
05:34.15kaidenthat's always good!
05:34.22kaidenand still posting on G+ i see ;-)
05:34.42Stanzillasometimes :p
05:36.39kaideni'm leveling up a new gobo hunter and i'm just skipping all kinds of quests in HFP
05:36.46kaideni'm almost 66 and i'm still in that zone heh
05:37.20Stanzillaof all the leveling areas I think I hate hfp the most
05:37.28kaidenagree'd
05:37.32kaidenthen again i hate all of outlands
05:37.42kaidenit seriously needs a revamp and if that rumor turns out true, yay
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05:39.38Cidenorthrend is worse :(
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05:40.53kaideni liked northrend, good money
05:40.58kaidenand pretty fast
05:51.14karl_w_wwhats the most gold that can be in a gbank?
05:51.24Stanzilla1million
05:51.30Stanzillapretty stupid cap
05:51.51karl_w_whmm
05:51.53karl_w_wyeah
05:51.58bluspacecowwth
05:51.59bluspacecowhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2926884030
05:52.12Stanzillawe had to make extra bank alts
05:52.16karl_w_wwe're a pretty small guild and we've made 90k in about 3 months without even trying
05:53.20Stanzillakarl_w_w: what we do is create alts, send the gold there and write the amount into the officer note
06:00.43karl_w_whow can you find your own personal cash flow contribution?
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06:09.59mikmahttp://www.rlslog.net/blubberella-2011-bdrip-xvid-swagger/
06:11.43bluspacecowwtf.
06:11.58mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g
06:12.23Zhinjioanyone have any favorite chrome extensions I should take a look at?
06:12.38Corrodiastake a look at in what way?
06:12.53Zhinjioto potentially use myself
06:13.01Corrodiasi don't know what you want ^_^
06:13.17ZhinjioI know that. Thats why I asked if you have any favorites.
06:13.21ZhinjioI'll make my own judgements
06:13.21Adysgrr
06:13.36Adysim trying to find a good comparison table for UK broadband/fiber upload speeds
06:13.53Adyscant find anything up to date :/
06:14.13kaidenthey have broadband in the uk? :P
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06:14.23CorrodiasAPNG, flashblock, kill evil, postponer, web developer, smooth gestures
06:14.23kaideni kid i kid
06:14.33kaideni'm lucky, here in the US and i have 105mbps
06:14.41Cidethe one and only in the us?
06:14.45Cideyour broadband is shit
06:15.04nebula169copper > fiber
06:15.07kaidenthere are many broadband providers in the US
06:15.11Adyskaiden: how much you paying for it? lemme guess.. more than your rent? :P
06:15.12nebula169thats how the us rolls
06:15.17kaidenAdys, 99$ a month
06:15.24CideLOL
06:15.32Nobgulfor what speed down?
06:15.33Adysand whats the data cap
06:15.34Adys5gb?
06:15.34Adys:P
06:15.39kaiden105mbps
06:15.43kaidenthere is no data cap
06:15.47CideI have 100mbps for... $9/month
06:15.48Adyswell thats new
06:16.00kaidenwell there's a theoretical 250gb soft cap but they dont enforce it
06:16.08Adys250gb?
06:16.16Adysblinks
06:16.26NobgulWe are paying about $600 a month for 2000gbps
06:16.28kaideni download about 600 or so gb a month and never get fap'd
06:16.29Adysconsumes multiple terabytes every month
06:16.41Nobgulerr 2gbps
06:16.47Adyslol Nobgul
06:16.49kaidenif i could get a 2gb connection in the US i'd pay 600$
06:17.00Adysalso kaiden out of curiousity
06:17.05Adyswhats your upload?
06:17.14Adysand Cide too
06:17.20kaidensadly only 20mbps currently but i dont care about upstream that much
06:17.25CideI have 100/100 here and 100/10 in stockholm
06:17.41kaidenthe connection is being bumped as well, 300mbps by next summer
06:17.41Adyskaiden: 20mb upload isnt to be spat on
06:17.56Adyshm thats not bad
06:17.57kaidenand the upstream is going to be bumped to 50mbps here in just a few weeks
06:18.05Adysim only getting 200mbps by next summer
06:18.16kaidencomcast is actually a pretty good provider in my area
06:18.19nebula169what do you have? fios is like 200$/mo for 150
06:18.21Adyshaha comcast
06:18.23nebula169ah
06:18.30Cideyou only pay 10x what I do though
06:18.33Cidethat's a pretty good deal
06:18.51AdysCide is in a stupid country though
06:18.57kaidenCide, sorry we dont have euro prices here, broadband still costs us, but not nearly as much as some stuff
06:19.11Cideeuro prices? :)
06:19.44kaidenkroners yoinkers, gbp, wgaf, you know.. those
06:20.05kaiden:p
06:20.41Adysblinks again
06:21.30CideI don't actually know any of those :P
06:21.48Cidebut regardless I just think you guys are getting ripped
06:21.51nebula169internet and cell service prices are silly here ;[
06:22.01kaidenCide, i dont :)
06:22.07kaidenit's quite simple
06:22.08nebula169we are
06:22.11kaidenwhat's average pay per year there
06:22.25Cidewhat kind of job?
06:22.35kaidensay, middle tier it
06:22.40airtonixsuper villan
06:22.52airtonixone million dollars
06:23.03nebula169<PROTECTED>
06:23.07nebula169pinky*
06:23.09nebula169damit
06:23.11Cideum
06:23.30Cideentry level CS major median is about $63/year or so
06:23.43Cideand by $63 I mean $63k obviously
06:23.48airtonixoh ok
06:23.50Adys(he doesn't)
06:23.57Cide(nope)
06:23.58DagmarDepends on where you are
06:24.03airtonix(he does?)
06:24.39NobgulGet lightpath from cablevision if you have them near you
06:24.58kaidenaccording to Google's Data Platform that stores world dat, average net monthly income as of 2010 in Germany for a Entry Computer Programmer was 2,320$
06:25.02NobgulI just need to fogure out how to bridge all the gateways into a switch or a hub or something.
06:25.11kaideni bring home 3 times that per month
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06:25.18kaidenso no, 99$ is not hurting :-)
06:25.21Cideare you an entry computer programmer
06:25.44kaidenNo i'm roughly as I said Middle Tier IT
06:25.54Cideso why would you compare the two? :P
06:26.07kaideni'm a Senior Network Operations Engineer
06:26.16CideI don't speak titles, only data
06:26.18kaidenbecause looking at pretty much all of the values on this page
06:26.26kaidenthat's the highest pay per month
06:26.49kaideni would imagine that expert level is only a few hundred more a month maybe a thousand
06:26.56Cidelike I said
06:27.19Cideentry level CS major is about $5k here in sweden
06:27.25Cidefor my uni at least
06:27.26kaideni find it funny that you ask me if i'm an entry computer programmer, and i told you what i was and you are like i don't speak titles
06:27.28IrielUnless you factor in things like cost of living in area these comparisons are pretty worthless
06:27.41kaidenall i did was answer your question heh
06:27.49Cidekaiden: I asked you since you cited the numbers for entry level programmers in germany
06:27.54kaidenIriel, we're talking about strictly cost of internet
06:27.55nebula169cost of service vs income is pretty retarded, aswell
06:28.10IrielWell, you're measuring income and bandwidth penises also
06:28.16Irielwhich is starting to get pretty childish
06:28.21mckenziemclol
06:28.37Adysshows his penis to Iriel
06:28.39AdysMEASURE IT!
06:28.41Cidethat's not really the case, Iriel
06:28.46kaidenhow so? it was just a question of cost, as you said, cost of living....
06:28.47IrielAdys: let me find my microscope
06:28.52kaidennobody is measuring anyones penis
06:28.59airtonixumad?
06:29.14AdysIriel: You wanna meet at the hubble telescope?)
06:29.15CideI just find it interesting how the US pays so much for internet service whereas most everything else IT related is much cheaper in the US compared to sweden
06:29.15kaidenCide, i would imagine out on the east coast where cost of living / income is lower their internet for the same thing i have is a lot lower
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06:29.23nebula169relative incomes has no bearing on what it costs a company to provide a service
06:29.26kaidenCide, they just charge us a lot more here due to the average cost of living / income
06:29.40Irielnebula169: that;s completely untrue
06:29.45kaidennebula169, what it costs a company to provide a service, and what a company charges for a service are unrelated
06:29.50Irielnebula169: salaries, insurance, rent, utilities, etc
06:29.56AdysCide: because the US is full of shit when it comes to broadband
06:30.05Adysand citizens are just used to that
06:30.18kaidenyeah we really dont have the proper infrastructure
06:30.33kaidenthe countries that have super cheap broadband are lucky because they got on the bandwagon late
06:30.41nebula169Adys: pretty much what i'm trying to get at
06:30.42CideI was told the us government paid some company a bit back to provide broadband infrastructure to all of the us?
06:30.43kaidenso they didn't have to renovate what was already there
06:30.52AdysCide: yeah its improving
06:30.57Cideno like years ago
06:31.00kaideni would waiger if Germany was a pure copper network, they wouldn't be full fiber right now
06:31.02kaiden:)
06:31.03Adysthe fact whatshisname is getting 300mbps next summer proves it
06:31.04Adysalso
06:31.15Adyswrt broadband speeds, you only ever complain if you get less than you've gotten at least once in your life
06:31.29Adysif a whole country is stuck to 1mbps, nobody will complain
06:32.05kaidenplaces like korea / germany / japan have it lucky because they had the money / smaller area to be able to put in the necessary fiber
06:32.12DagmarCide: What it amounts to is that the telecommunications infrastructure for entire cities falls well behind what's possible, and then the gov't starts prodding the local monopolists and asking them what the hell is going on
06:32.26DagmarThe monopolists then say "OH MY GOD IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO UPGRADE"
06:32.28kaidenthink of it this way cide, the US is HUGE therefore it's an extremely large amount of money to refit our entire infrastructure with fiber
06:32.29IrielThe other problem the US has is size
06:32.40Irielkaiden: exactly
06:32.44Adysyeah
06:32.46Cidewith size you get greater GDP and such as well though
06:32.49DagmarThe gov't then hands them a big pile of money in order to rebuild their entire infrastructure, which is never seen again.
06:32.49kaidenthey are doing it city by city when they can
06:33.00Cideso naturally it will be more expensive in an absolute measure
06:33.14DagmarWhat would be nicer and more workable is if the fuckers would just upgrade their damn network over time.
06:33.17kaideni hope this google service really takes off to be honest
06:33.19Cidebut relatively it's probably more expensive still but much more so, I don't know?
06:33.28Dagmar...but since they can get the gov't to pony up ALL the money for it on a regular basis, they don't do shit.
06:33.37DagmarTHis has happened in Nashville _twice_ now.
06:33.40AdysCide: the problem is a lot of people don't understand how much of a benefit and how important fast broadband can be
06:33.44kaidengoogle tends to create change, so if their internet service really hits it, then i think a lot of places will start footing the fiber switchover bill
06:33.56CideAdys: that's not the point when the money has already exchanged hands afaik
06:34.06AdysCide: it quite is
06:34.25Cideif a company was paid to provide infrastructure and it's not happening then what the fuck?
06:34.53Adysgod bless america huh? :P
06:35.41kaidenthough back to the original conversation, adys, yes i'm very glad that comcast is rebuilding their entire network here to provide Docsys 3.0
06:35.52kaidenthat's why our bandwidth is slowly moving up and it doubles about every 6months
06:36.12StanzillaI have DSL 2k
06:36.17Stanzillanow what?
06:36.21kaidenhehe
06:36.25nebula169they've been "rebuilding their network" for docsis 3 since like 2009 ;[
06:36.37DagmarTHey're waiting on more money from the local govt
06:36.49kaidennebula169, and? it takes time
06:37.07kaidenhave you ever had them put in a new freeway onramp where you live, if you have any freeways close?
06:37.14kaidenlook at how long just that simple process takes
06:37.16kaidenusually years
06:37.33Dagmarkaide: Seriously that's not the way it works here.
06:37.53DagmarTelecoms in the US are intersted in one and only one thing and that thing is taking _in_ money.  They don't spend it on upgrades.
06:38.22kaidenwell comcast is, and it's not a question of your word vs my word
06:38.25DagmarTHe only reason AT&T is bothering upgrading their wireless is that they were catching heat from the FCC and seriously losing customers
06:38.33kaidenthe facts can be seen in their product list over the past 2-3 years
06:39.03DagmarHere, they've upgraded pretty much nothing
06:39.07Irielcombat and AT&T are engaged in a bitter war in some areas, I suspect that's driving a lot of the upgrades
06:39.22IrielIf one of the groups "wins" we may start to see issues
06:39.25DagmarAt one point about a fifth of the city was so oversubscribed at peak times people had about the same as 128k DSL
06:39.42kaidenDagmar, well that really sucks for you. they beta test all of their new products in Seattle where i live, then as far as i know they move them out
06:39.58kaidenas far as i'm aware they beta test in the nw and in the ne in boston/etc areas
06:40.02DagmarHere they mainly test anything new in Richville first
06:40.39kaidenIriel, AT&T is trying to merge with my mobile provider T-Mobile and i really hope it goes throguh
06:41.11Irielkaiden: I'm also a T-Mobile subscriber and i'm disappointed that it probably will go through
06:41.45kaideni'm in favor because it will give us a LOT more coverage, i'm against it because i do enjoy having fast speeds in the areas i do have coverage, but the pro's outway the cons
06:42.26kaideni was on Verizon up until last month, i got sick of paying 300$ a month for my cell phone bill
06:42.35kaidenthen they charged me 1200$ to disconnect my service
06:43.12IrielI have not been overwhelmed with my past experiences with AT&T's customer service for cell service
06:43.29kaidenoh i imagine they would keep T-Mobile's customer service
06:43.41kaidenthey are world class and touted for their amazing support
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06:44.10Irielkaiden: have you BEEN an AT&T customer before? 8-)
06:44.31kaidenyes
06:44.35Irielkaiden: I applaud your optimism, but i'm not going to hold my breath
06:45.06IrielThe only good AT&T service i've gotten has been when i've been on a business plan rather than a consumer one.
06:45.14kaidenI was a cingular customer and i got munched up into AT&T when they were purchased i think used an iPhone from day 1 with them until they banned me for jailbreaking
06:45.18kaidenand i left them for Verizon
06:45.36IrielDid that not set off any alarm bells?
06:45.50kaideni absolutely HATE AT&T for their short sighted and arrogant ways, but, with T-Mobile getting bought into them, i pray for good things
06:46.01IrielI guess I see it the other way
06:46.08IrielI fully expect AT&T's short sightedness to win
06:47.44airtonixwut
06:49.10kaidenwelp, i'm all tuckered out, night all :-)
06:55.37Cairennnight kaiden
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07:21.39karl_w_w[15:20:02] player is not in your party.
07:21.41karl_w_w:(
07:21.50karl_w_wstill havent worked out what addon is doing that
07:24.04Adyskarl_w_w: whats your addon list
07:24.11karl_w_wextensive
07:24.26Adyswhen does it happen
07:24.49karl_w_wwhen I leave a bg
07:24.58karl_w_wpossibly when i leave parties and raids as well
07:25.00karl_w_wnot sure
07:25.03karl_w_wbut not every time
07:25.16Adysim guessing its a misuse of the cross-realm api
07:25.28karl_w_whttp://codepad.org/XrBpbYWF addon list
07:25.42Adysif its only bgs, try some addon that messes with the bg score list
07:25.58Adysif its also parties/raids... maybe a threat meter, some kind of damage meter or some shit like that
07:26.29karl_w_wcould be xperl
07:26.33karl_w_wrecount
07:26.43Adysi doubt it, those are popular enough to have been fixed by now
07:26.48Adysunless you didnt keep them up to date
07:27.08karl_w_wactually i have recount disabled in bgs
07:27.16karl_w_wso maybe that causes it somehow
07:27.29karl_w_wxperl is riddled with minor bugs :P
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07:35.24airtonixlol xperl
07:35.51airtonixwho even uses that anymore? i thought people stopped using that when windows 3.1 came out
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07:46.17Mr_Rabieskarl_w_w: it's probably something that automatically whispers someone in a raid about something
07:46.23Mr_RabiesRSA does it for me
07:46.38Mr_Rabiesi have it set to whisper people when i cast dark intent on them and again when it fades
07:46.54Mr_Rabiesi get that when i or they leave a dungeon because the spell falls off
07:47.17Mr_Rabiesparty/raid
07:47.20karl_w_whave nothing that whispers :P
07:47.29karl_w_wmaybe something that uses addon comms
07:47.33Mr_Rabiesit probably doesn't error if whoever it's whispering is on your realm
07:47.41Mr_Rabiesyeah, easily could be
07:48.10Mr_Rabiesis there a way to monitor addon coms anymore? forgive me, i'm inept when it comes to development of addons :p
07:48.23karl_w_wshrugs
07:48.35Mr_Rabiesi mostly just use them and harass people in here to fix things/add new features
07:49.50Mr_Rabiesdbm whispers people, maybe something wonky is going on with that
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08:22.34bluspacecowhmmmm  stay home and play video games or go to gym ?
08:23.11airtonixstay home and smoke weed
08:25.55karl_w_wgo to the gym and play computer weed
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08:55.07bluspacecowwtf
08:55.15bluspacecowwhats the wickerman event ?
08:55.20bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
08:55.42nevcairielhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Wickerman_Festival
08:58.59AcidWebMr_Rabies: Check all registered addon comms prefixes and make small piece of code that will print it.
09:01.20bluspacecowty nevvy
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09:45.51Fiskerbluspacecow
09:45.55Fiskeri'm a sick person
09:46.11bluspacecowand im cold
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09:57.36pantsninjasilly question, but do we have Lua math library? I just want to do a simple math.min()
09:59.12bthow is wow lua if  defined? true only for boolean true or also like c  where   if  x   then   is true for x !=0 ?
10:00.42hastepantsninja: yes
10:00.50pantsninjahaste: thanks
10:00.52hastebt: only false and nil are false, rest is true
10:01.01airtonixwhat do you say aye?
10:01.04airtonixaye
10:01.11pantsninjafuck... too tired to think straight :(
10:01.24airtonixlol
10:01.33airtonixugaybro?
10:01.40bluspacecowkk BBL gots works nows
10:09.11Fiskerhaste
10:09.15Fiskeri hate haste
10:09.30airtonixyumad?
10:09.39airtonixyou should explain
10:11.49Fiskermaybe i should
10:14.38Fiskeri'm the maddest of mad due to stoopid rng
10:15.05Thunder_ChildI <3 RNG
10:16.03Fiskerit would be ok if i didn't have to do all dailies to get to the damn quests that are so rng
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10:41.45airtonixi can fix that for you
10:47.31airtonixlol
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10:47.56airtonixsuulluu he's the star of the show, other guuyyyys just along for the ride
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12:19.48Adysjnwhiteh: is it common for brits to pronounce "ate" as "et"?
12:22.10robokittyFisker, skilled skills
12:22.16robokittyMaster Angler on 2nd char :<
12:30.38Fiskerownt robokitty
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12:35.29robokittyHAHAHA
12:35.34robokittywent to do TB fishing daily
12:35.42robokittyfirst cast in Stonebull = One That Didn't Get Away
12:37.30Fiskerbam
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12:39.38airtonixFisker
12:39.49Fiskerwhy is post danmark lying robokitty ?
12:41.03airtonixwhat's the truth?
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12:48.15airtonix:<
13:20.43foxlit"According to ITavisen, retail chains Coop Norway and Platekomaniet have both pulled the the following games from their shelves: [...] World of Warcraft"
13:23.41robokitty:|
13:25.12zenzelezzfoxlit: yeah, because apparently the killer had played WoW, and obviously that's how he came up with the idea
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13:26.38hastewe need to outlaw breathing as well
13:26.41haste'cause he did that
13:28.07zenzelezzand he was unhappy with politicians, so we should also ban politics
13:29.09AcidWebzenzelezz: Unfortunately you can not ban stupidity ;p
13:31.21bluspacecowhttp://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=1446
13:31.22bluspacecowlolz
13:34.00cleverlol
13:40.52zenzelezzhttp://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/funny-facebook-fails-o-o1.jpg
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13:50.24cleverbluspacecow: http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=43
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14:13.47Krapshttp://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html
14:18.08Fiskerbluspacecow
14:18.10Fiskeri lol'd
14:18.36Fiskerhttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2463657562
14:19.12Fiskerit's not stupidity AcidWeb
14:19.37foxlitKraps: awesome.
14:20.00AcidWebFisker: yup i know... that is populism.
14:20.23AcidWebadvanced form of stupidity
14:20.33Fiskeri disagree
14:20.37KrapsFisker: i dont even
14:21.39Kraps"it's general  not General Discussion:
14:21.41airtonixhttp://iwastesomuchtime.com/img_active/July-28-2011-07-25-36-flasherbieberfunny.PNG
14:22.02AcidWebFisker: I assume that you dont belive that games increase aggressiveness?
14:22.26Fiskerno
14:22.53AcidWebThen tellme why that move was not just plain stupid?
14:23.50Fiskerfree advertising AcidWeb
14:24.07AcidWebBecause i not understand how pulling some games from the shelves will improve situation.
14:24.09AcidWebOh
14:24.12AcidWebYou right.
14:24.25AcidWebI did not think about that.
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14:42.54jnwhitehAdys: yes, particularly the Welsh and northerners
14:43.09jnwhitehand Irish
14:43.09jnwhitehapparnetly
14:43.09jnwhitehsays my Irish friend
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14:47.45Adysmmh ok
14:48.05bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
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14:52.37Fiskerlikes jnwhiteh
14:52.38Fiskerbtw bluspacecow
14:52.41Fiskerdid you see the lulz?
14:52.53bluspacecowyes i did
14:52.54bluspacecowand i lolzed
14:54.08Adysi didn't
14:54.10Adyswhere the hell is it?
14:56.08Fiskerhttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2463657562
14:56.45Adysclicked
14:56.46Adysclosed
14:57.01Fiskerthat's what happens when you click the close button
14:58.23WobinCairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/dmgtc.jpg
14:58.50btwhy do you even official forums
14:59.41Adysi'd ~bt++ but im afraid it would reflect on the company's karma
15:05.15karl_w_w~ping
15:05.15purl~pong
15:08.15haste~pong
15:08.15purl~ping
15:09.25Fiskerhastemen
15:09.37hasteFiskerman
15:09.54Fiskergentlemen
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15:21.37Jamashgoo goo kachoo
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15:31.36Cairenn|afkWobin: lol and awww
15:32.40AlramRIP Kalroth
15:32.53Arrowmasterso i had thought my 2nd monitors vga cable was going bad, turned out it was my dvi to vga adapter, the thing literally broke in half on me
15:33.37Kalrothwhat!
15:33.54nevcairielyou still use analog connections? i feel sorry for you
15:33.55Fiskershouldn't have sex with the dvi adapter then
15:34.30Fiskerstares at nevcairiel
15:34.37Kalrotha dvi adapter? how does that even .. actually, nevermind
15:34.55nevcairieldvi also have analog
15:35.20Jamashdvi to vga adapters are like ps/2 to usb adapters
15:35.22Arrowmasterand crts only have analog
15:35.31DagmarNot all DVI ports tho.  Read up a bit and know which pins to look for
15:35.42nevcairielyou still use crts? i feel even more sorry for you!
15:35.45DagmarIf yer DVI port supports analog, it'll be recognizable visually
15:35.46Jamashthey map one set of pins to another but the device has to recognize that and switch output modes
15:36.07nevcairielthe analog pins are those near that longish metal thingy
15:36.11nevcairiel4 pins around it
15:36.11nevcairielor so
15:36.16Fiskerthat's what your mom said
15:36.16Fiskerhoho
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15:47.06bluspacecow@Cairenn i spawned an infinite loop and got this : http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=1487
15:47.14Cairennlol
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16:00.49Lothrik.. ugh.
16:01.05Lothrik"Your upload cannot be accepted because you did not agree to the rules for uploading files."
16:01.26Lothrik(except I did, I even made sure and tried to upload again, lol)
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16:04.32Jamashwotcher!
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16:10.07btscripts blocked?
16:12.28NobgulLothrik:
16:12.46mikmalul
16:12.53Nobgulthere is a weird bug sometimes when you submit the first time and forget to check that box or another one. basically uncheck the box and resubmit.
16:13.12NobgulIt should allow it. Has happened to me 2 times but i thought i was crazy
16:13.38Lothrikbleh
16:13.44LothrikI figured that out
16:13.49Lothriknew problem though.. heh
16:13.53Nobgulwhats that?
16:14.24Lothrikcan't upload 7z files even if I name them .rar (WinRAR can open them, but apparently wowinterface can't).. and if I compress it with anything else it's too big :)
16:14.39Arrowmasterjust use .zip
16:14.49NobgulYea just use zip.
16:15.04Lothrik38,774KB when compressed with 7-zip on ultra, 60MB+ when compressed with regular zip
16:15.47Lothrikit's around 188MB uncompressed
16:16.30mikmawhat the hell?
16:17.14NobgulWhat are you uploading?
16:17.32zenzelezzgiven how well it compresses, I'd say ASCII porn
16:17.36zenzelezz;)
16:17.36Lothrika UI compilation
16:17.52CairennLothrik: are you Maximius on WoWI?
16:17.56Lothrikyup
16:18.08CairennI was just about to send you a PM, but since you're in here ...
16:18.20mikma188mb compilation
16:18.23mikmaban that shit!
16:18.27Cairennwhat the hell do you have in there?
16:18.30zenzelezzI assume just renaming your .7z to .rar doesn't work because they actually (automatically) extract and scan your addon
16:18.36Cairenn188MB?  WTF?
16:18.41CairennLike, seriously
16:18.42bluspacecow1/2 of his porn collection clearly
16:18.47Lothrikthere's 110 addons in it
16:18.53airtonixel oh el
16:19.00mikmano, no no no.
16:19.06airtonixmikma: umad?
16:19.11mikmaairtonix: furious.
16:19.14zenzelezzLothrik: that sounds a bit excessive, do they all do very limited things?
16:19.23airtonixohrightousfury!
16:19.35airtonixmikma: HADOOKEN
16:19.38Fiskerbluspacecow
16:19.41mikmalothrik: do you have permission from all of the authors of the addons in the compilation?
16:19.56mikmaairtonix: HAIDOYOUDOKEN
16:20.16zenzelezzSORRYUKEN
16:21.01Nobgul188 megs is a bit excessive. Could you generate a addon list and pastebin it. I would like to see what you are including.
16:21.03airtonixi'm now fully trained for street fighting
16:21.33CairennI'm dealing with it guys :p
16:21.43Nobgulmah thundah
16:21.48airtonixyeah, in a street fighter way
16:21.50zenzelezzCairenn: but he's awoken our curiosity, now we're being left out
16:21.52CairennLothrik: PM
16:22.10Cairennpoints at the other IM window
16:22.28airtonixlooks at the other IM window
16:22.44airtonixoh but it's not there
16:22.50airtonix:<
16:22.53airtonixyou decieved me
16:23.00Lothrikhmmmm
16:23.06Lothrikalright
16:23.08Lothrikaddon list
16:23.10Lothrikhttp://pastebin.com/ny8ySpkt
16:23.28airtonix"Bandwidth for this page has been exceeded"
16:23.32LothrikCairenn: all I see in my PM box on wowinterface is stuff from 2010, is that what you're referring to?
16:23.51zenzelezzthen I guess she means on IRC
16:23.53mikmai am about 100% sure jnwhiteh doesn't like you including LightHeaded
16:24.06CairennYou should have just gotten a ping Lothrik, in another IRC window
16:24.20Lothrikodd, I didn't for some reason
16:24.25Lothrik=|
16:24.41NobgulLothrik: Cairenn is speaking about in your irc client
16:24.48mikmaor TomTom
16:25.04mikmaand tekkub will eat your head because of VendorBait
16:25.16mikmaand Panda ^^
16:25.37zenzelezzLothrik: what IRC client are you using?
16:26.04Nobgulmikma: lol
16:26.08LothrikPidgin
16:26.17CairennWe're sorted :)
16:26.21LothrikI think I have it setup to just ignore messages from people I don't have on my friends list
16:26.26Lothriksince I tend to get a LOT of spam
16:27.07mikmalul
16:28.02Nobgulwonders what type of network Lothrik hangs out on.
16:28.14mikma#sex prolly
16:28.20Nobgullol
16:29.09Nobgullooks like a large comp there Lothrik, good luck with it. im'a go buy a new keyboard mine is brokeded
16:29.16airtonixhey guys, outlook is an awesome email program
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16:29.52airtonixwhy would you buy eudora on mac when you don't need to interact with exchange servers?
16:29.55LothrikNobgul: I have Pidgin connected to like 10 different IRC networks
16:30.04Lothrikand pretty much every type of IM network it supports
16:30.16airtonixpidgin is a horrible irc client
16:30.28airtonixit's good at one to one though
16:30.36mikmalolololo 10 networks
16:30.54NobgulI am to anti-social for that much human interaction. I only keep irc open in a few rooms and my im client when someone needs something.
16:31.03Lothrikwhen you have >1000 contacts across more than a dozen different protocols.. you don't really care whether or not it's a bit shabby on some protocols
16:31.11Lothrikall-in-one is what matters, lol
16:31.17airtonixwut
16:31.22Nobgul=P right be back later
16:31.25airtonixyou put your waht in your where?
16:31.29LothrikI have like 600 MSN contacts alone, lol
16:32.40AntzeKaynierseems you really like immensity
16:32.47AntzeKaynier600 MSN contacts, 180 Mb of addons
16:32.53Lothriklol
16:33.20Lothrikoh here's another
16:33.29Lothrikthe two biggest space-eaters in my UI
16:33.35LothrikPowerAuras at 33MB
16:33.39LothrikLightHeaded at 42MB
16:34.00airtonixthis is how useless australia postal service is : Processed Through Sort Facility, July 26, 2011, 3:59 pm, ISC CHICAGO IL (USPS) ...
16:34.16airtonixapparently it takes 4 days to get something here by plane
16:34.17Lothrikatlas at 38.8MB
16:34.39Lothrik188 - 33 - 42 - 38.8 = 74.2
16:34.56Lothrikthree addons take up more than half of my Interface folder in terms of space
16:35.20mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Os-CACRwM8
16:35.47Lothrikand most of that remaining 74.2MB is probably a dozen duplicates of Ace3 libs
16:35.59Lothrikwhich is why it compresses so well! :P
16:36.49Nobgulhehe
16:36.55mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxi73RQlLB8&hd=1
16:36.57mikmaclap clap clap
16:37.20airtonixmikma: wtf
16:37.43Nobgulscared to click
16:37.48airtonixJust wait until the party moves to your ass.
16:37.54airtonixlulz
16:38.37mikmaairtonix: clap clap snap
16:41.33airtonixlol 1,195,336 views
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16:44.44jnwhitehLothrik: you're not allowed to include LightHeaded
16:44.48jnwhitehso that saves you 42Mb
16:44.52Nobgulhehe
16:44.53jnwhiteherr MiB
16:44.56jnwhitehproblem solved
16:44.57Nobguli was waiting for that.
16:45.05jnwhitehwell the license is QUITE clear
16:45.14airtonixlike your face
16:45.23jnwhitehmy face, super clear, it's true.
16:45.30airtonixtypical
16:45.56mikmajnwhiteh: how you like your eggs
16:45.57airtonixare you blonde?
16:46.01mikmafried or fertilized
16:46.07airtonixhoho
16:46.10jnwhitehwhy do I have to choose
16:46.12jnwhitehcan't I have both?
16:46.13airtonixyes
16:46.20airtonixsicko
16:46.26jnwhitehfried chicken is (in some form) fried fertilized eggs
16:47.05airtonixi would say something except....
16:47.10jnwhitehyeah
16:47.12jnwhitehthat's what I thought
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16:48.14Krapswtb SC2 starting already
16:49.01mikmajnwhiteh: there's also tomtom in there, and tekkub's vendorbait + panda :P
16:49.24jnwhitehat the very least, I should be asked.
16:49.29jnwhitehThat's how its always supposed to be.
16:49.35mikmaoh, lots of tekkub's addons. friendswithbenefits, gnomish**shrinker..
16:49.46jnwhitehtek's are wtflicense
16:49.47jnwhitehso that'ps fine
16:50.00jnwhitehafaik
16:50.55jnwhiteha complication author should, however, probably check and be aware =)
16:51.17Lothrikjnwhiteh: bit of a noob to this process :) removed LH from it and reuploaded
16:51.47NobgulLothrik: Should check some of the others, one of mine in there as well as a feww that are arr
16:51.59mikmalothrik: remember to ask the permission for tomtom, too
16:52.23CairennLothrik: just put it back on hold until you've had a chance to go through the rest of them
16:52.37CairennSince you are probably going to be deleting some others.
16:53.17CairennIt would be really *REALLY* good if you got it down to the point that you can use a regular .zip or .rar compression format, most people won't have a clue what 7z is
16:53.35mikma7up
16:53.58CairennI'd suggest taking out the other really large ones and just linking to them in your description telling people to grab them too
16:54.16jnwhitehreally you should only include what you need to include
16:54.44mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvUtKK1ueQ0&hd=1
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17:01.02Mr_RabiesCairenn, I hear you're a connoisseur of fine cat videos and pictures
17:01.13Cairennhehehe
17:01.19Mr_Rabieshttp://tubedubber.com/#WxGS-2M6_5I:_FXoyr_FyFw:0:100:0:0:true
17:01.33Mr_Rabiesi added a little soundtrack to that one for atmosphere
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17:03.44mikmamr_rabies: almost funny
17:04.48Lothrikalright.. baffled
17:05.12Lothriklike 80% of the addons that are absolutely essential to my UI are "all rights reserved"
17:05.37NobgulYou have to ask premission. It is ok for you to use them but not redistribute them.
17:05.54Nobguland give ample credit.
17:05.56Nobgul=)
17:07.42Nobgulbe back in a bit need to reboot this thing, i got 4 instances of virtualbox stuck and i can't kill -9 them =/
17:08.04DagmarYou should probably use libvirtd if you can
17:08.20AntzeKaynieris there a license that allows easy redistribution in compilations without requesting permisson but not anything else?
17:08.26DagmarWith the GUI it's *finally* as easy to use as VirtualBox
17:08.42Nobgulill have a look at that when i get back on.
17:08.47Nobgulcheers for the tip
17:09.16CairennMr_Rabies: lol, what freaked that poor cat out?
17:09.43Cairennor do you have a string attached to it or something?
17:10.00Mr_Rabiesi couldn't even venture to guess the reason that cat did what it just did there
17:10.07Mr_Rabiesi don't know, some russian dude uploaded that
17:10.13Cairennah, okay
17:10.20Mr_Rabiesmaybe he's close to pripyat
17:10.33Gnarfozdoubtful, that's not in russia
17:10.33AntzeKaynierrussian? did he left any comments or description?
17:10.52karl_w_wim scared
17:10.59karl_w_wmy infinity cat is still going
17:11.02karl_w_wwhen will it end?
17:11.12Mr_Rabieshere's the original video, sans soundtrack
17:11.13Mr_Rabieshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGS-2M6_5I
17:11.14bluspacecowTO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
17:12.42AntzeKaynieraww, no explanations in there
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17:13.51bluspacecowblue screen
17:13.52Nobgulmuch better
17:14.00bluspacecowhave someone go in and grab the cat
17:14.06bluspacecowedit the guy out and sub in the background
17:14.38Lothrikpretty much getting the drift that I'm not cut out to distribute a UI compilation.. digging through 110 addons to figure out who to contact for what, contacting them, waiting a few weeks for responses, removing the addons made by anyone who says no, creating a list of those who said yes.. ugh
17:15.19Xinhuanby Law, that's what you are required to do, otherwise the site hosting your compilation can get into trouble
17:15.19LothrikI used to make addons for Oblivion and Morrowind and always found people who emailed me asking for permission to do this that and the other thing with them irritating.. now I feel a bit sad for them though
17:17.11karl_w_wthey have to get permission whatever license the addon is under?
17:18.31foxlitWhich is why Curse is awesome
17:18.45Lothrikit's just a bit nauseating the number of addons that aren't even under a license and are just "copyright me, go away".. I think I'll save playing lawyer for another day
17:18.56foxlitTheir approach to compilations seems to just be linking addons together.
17:19.15Xinhuanyou can blame WoWMatrix for that Lothrik
17:19.31Cairenn^^
17:20.03AcidWebI heard many things about WoWMatrix... and none of them are nice? What they do extractly?
17:20.04Fiskerhey bluspacecow ?
17:20.07Xinhuanthey used to have a client that hotlinked directly to curse/wowinterface's addons, and allowed users of it to bypass all the advertisements on curse/wowi
17:20.18AcidWebWithout "?" after nice.
17:20.19Xinhuanbasically another 1-click-install all updater
17:20.29AcidWeb...
17:20.34Xinhuanso wowi/curse took steps to block wowmatrix
17:20.34Krapswhy do you hate the free distribution of addons, man? information is free, dude
17:20.38AcidWebK. No more questions.
17:20.38Arrowmasterand their client didnt check versions, it would download everything when people clicked update
17:20.54Xinhuanand wowmatrix started hosting those same addons themselves - without permissions from authors
17:21.03Xinhuanand wowmatrix would more often than not, MODIFY the addons they hosted
17:21.09Xinhuanso they appeared updated to the users when it was not
17:21.09foxlitlet's blame ace instead. Them and their silly updates and release-right-this-moment culture :P
17:21.25Xinhuan(by modifying the TOC and other stuff)
17:21.42LothrikI might have to look into curse's method of compilations
17:21.44Xinhuanas a consequence, many authors pulled their copylefts off their addons
17:21.50Xinhuanand made them full copyright
17:21.51Lothrikif I could just have it link to all the addons I haven't modified
17:21.57Lothrikand get permissions for the 5-6 that I have
17:22.02Lothrikthat would make this a lot less painful
17:22.05Xinhuanand issued DMCA letters to their hosting site
17:22.16Xinhuanthat's the summary of it
17:22.35AcidWebThank you for clarification Xinhuan
17:22.44Xinhuanallowing a 3rd party site to modify your addon is very bad - and leads to conflicting error reports for the authors
17:23.12bluspacecowthey also removed copyright and turned off display Lua errors didn't they xinny ?
17:23.17Xinhuanalso many authors do not approve of addon compilations
17:23.25Xinhuanbecause it makes their distribution of their addon less controlled
17:23.30DagmarProbably because of the atrocities that result
17:23.41Xinhuanauthors may have fixed a bug, but because another compilation author is distributing an older version of an addon
17:23.46Xinhuanthey get bug reports they shouldn't be getting
17:24.26AntzeKaynieronce again, could you please say if there's a license that allows people to include your addon into their compilation but disallows anything else?
17:24.34bluspacecowwow matrix also did a lot of scrapping - they never had direct URLs of the addon pages - they would load every addon page several times to get the URL
17:24.34AntzeKaynierme not very experienced with them licenses
17:24.38bluspacecowBRB
17:24.44ArrowmasterAntzeKaynier: you can make your own license that allows that
17:24.55GnarfozAntzeKaynier: if someone wanted to, they could just say that that's their license
17:25.03Xinhuanif its not explicitly stated, in any file, AntzeKaynier, that right doesn't exist
17:25.19AntzeKaynieraha I see, thanks... well that requires some writing skills
17:25.35Arrowmasternot really
17:25.37AntzeKaynieryep I'm just thinking of what license to use for my addons
17:25.51Gnarfoz"you can put my addon into compilations, as long as you do not modify it." < there's your license! ^^
17:26.01Xinhuanby Law, the author retains all rights by default on creation of a piece of work - unless permission is explicitly granted by writing in any form
17:26.14Xinhuanso you could just add a single line that gives that permission - its that simple
17:26.33Gnarfozi.e.: copyright and licenses are not the same =]
17:27.02AntzeKaynierwell, I remember WTFPL, but always thought proper licenses gotta care a bit about wording
17:27.06Lothrikcopyright is the default position, licences basically describe exceptions
17:27.26Xinhuannow, if you gave the right in version X, but withdrew that right in version Y, that right still exists in version X
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17:28.07Xinhuanso generally, most online games/sites/whatever force you to reaccept their terms/EULA on any software update
17:29.20Xinhuanso if addonX is GPL in an earlier version, but full copyright in a new version, wowmatrix can legally still host the old copy because the GPL license of the earlier version allows it, but not the new version
17:29.34Xinhuancopyright is tricky, like that
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17:29.56AntzeKaynierand actually they can update toc interface number, I guess
17:30.02AntzeKayniersince it's derivative work
17:30.12Xinhuanthat's correct too
17:31.38mikmafisker: fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker
17:31.52Fiskerlooking forward to the weekend?
17:32.18mikmahow's E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy like?
17:32.33Fiskertold you yesterday
17:32.36Fiskeri hate it to hell
17:32.45mikmaso that means i must buy it
17:32.55karl_w_wpart of the reason gpl and similar licenses are so wordy is that those licenses try to insure that all derivatives of the licensed work stays under the same license
17:32.55Fiskermaybe
17:33.34Lothrik=|
17:34.08Lothrikalways something, isn't it. "You have selected too many addons."
17:34.12LothrikxD
17:34.25Lothrik"You may only select up to 100 addons per UI pack."
17:34.58Xinhuanlol... why would anyone want to use an addon pack that has 300 different things -.- (personal opinion)
17:35.21AcidWebMore 100 addons in one compilation? Lothrik that is overkill.
17:35.36karl_w_wlol... why would anyone want to use an addon pack that has >1 things -.- (personal opinion)
17:35.39bt<PROTECTED>
17:36.03Xinhuanyes
17:36.12Xinhuanlook at :SetTexCoord()
17:36.21btwill do thanks
17:36.27Xinhuanthere's 2 versions of it, 4 args, and 8 args
17:36.47Xinhuanwhich set 2 corners, or 4 corners
17:38.47Lothrikheh, amusing
17:39.04Lothrikthe curse UI Wizard won't let you make a ccip file with >100 addons in it.. but you can just add them to it
17:39.13Lothrikas it's just an xml file
17:40.31karl_w_wbut why would you want to
17:40.52Arrowmasterbah i thought about downloading and watching todays formula1 grand prix but its a 5gig video
17:41.50Lothrikkarl_w_w: because this is a viable way for me to include addons in a compilation without breaking the law and without having to send out hundreds of emails asking for permission?
17:42.21Lothrikunless there's some new law that says I can't give people a link to download an addon without asking first, this saves me a lot of time
17:43.23karl_w_ws/to/to make a compilation of over 100 addons/
17:44.02Lothrikdo you consider BigWigs 1 addon
17:44.07Lothrikor 30 addons
17:44.16Lothrikbecause my interface folder says around 30, but I say 1
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17:44.29Xinhuan1 addon, generally
17:44.42Lothrikand do you consider altoholic 1 addon, or 30
17:44.57Xinhuanjust because it is installed as 30 (it functions and loads faster when installed that way) doesn't mean its 30 addons
17:45.09Lothrikcase in point then
17:45.16karl_w_wits 1 addon
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17:45.19Lothrikit's not really 100 addons effectively
17:45.27karl_w_wyou download 1 addon
17:45.27Lothrikbut for the purposes of a curse ccip file
17:45.29Lothrikit is
17:45.38Xinhuanyou couldn't just list Bigwigs alone?
17:45.46Xinhuanwithout the 30 subfolders?
17:46.00NobgulDepends
17:46.05Lothriknot even sure what the argument is about anymore
17:46.08NobgulIf they are distributed as individual addons then no.
17:46.10Lothrikall I said is I made a CCIP file
17:46.18Lothrikand it had 104 "addons"
17:46.28Lothrikwhich realistically is about 1/4th of that
17:46.34Lothrikbut there's a lot of "plugins"
17:46.39Lothrikand "load on demand" stuff
17:46.41Seerahwhat's a ccip?
17:46.46Xinhuanso its counting each plugin as 1 addon?
17:47.02Lothrik.ccip is a XML file the curse client can parse
17:47.04Lothrikto download addons
17:47.10Xinhuani suggest you temporarily backup your interface folder
17:47.23Seerahso what is this argument/discussion about?  (I just got on)
17:47.24Xinhuanand reinstall all the addons as single packages that are not disembedded
17:47.34Xinhuanso they actually exist in 1 folder and not 30
17:47.42Xinhuansee if that works
17:48.01Lothrikdon't know what you mean by disembedded, the majority of my addons are installed and updated thru the curse client
17:48.03Xinhuan(that is, turn off the disembedded libraries options, or automatic unpacking option)
17:48.25Seerahthat's not the best option for addons like BigWigs
17:48.25Xinhuanmost addons that use libraries or plugins can be installed in 2 ways
17:48.31LothrikLibraries are packed
17:48.35Lothriknot seperate
17:49.04Xinhuanas a single folder, or as 20-30 folders, with a single addon representing each library - so it only exists once in your addon folder and not 20 copies in 20 addons
17:49.13Lothrikjust go look up bigwigs on curse
17:49.18Lothrikthere are 4 pages of bigwigs "addons"
17:49.40airtonixhttp://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/07/nielsen-smartphone-share-7-11.jpg
17:49.40Xinhuanbigwigs has a further unpacking option that allows you to install each subcomponent as a separate load on demand addon
17:50.08Xinhuanor can be installed as a single folder that loads everything into memory whether you are going to raid in that instance or not
17:50.13SeerahXinhuan: I believe it's modularized by default
17:50.18Xinhuanyeah
17:50.20Xinhuanit is
17:50.24Lothrikregardless it's a pointless conversation
17:50.27Seerahand should stay that way
17:50.30AntzeKayniersilence is golden... just wanted to ask for advice on how to distribute my addon, but already got the answer I needed
17:50.30Lothrikthere just happen to be a lot of modules
17:50.38Lothrikand you guys are all going GASP 100+ ADDONS?
17:50.55Xinhuanit is not a pointless conversation - i'm pointing out if you install bigwigs differently, curse client MIGHT treat it as 1 addon instead of 30
17:50.59Seerahthat's not a big deal.  my addons folder has 212 items
17:51.08LothrikXinhuan: but, it won't
17:51.08Seerah(granted, not every single one is enabled)
17:51.08Xinhuanfor theh purposes of creating the CCIP
17:51.14Xinhuanhave you tried it?
17:51.22Lothrikthere's no point, it won't
17:51.47Xinhuanif you haven't tried it and don't want to, then yes, the conversation is pointless
17:51.49Lothrikgo try to get curse client to treat Bigwigs Bossmods and BigWigs_Cho'gall_Worship_Marker as one addon
17:51.55Lothrikyou can't do it, because that's not how it works
17:52.19Xinhuani'm asking you to install bigwigs as 1 folder, not split into 30.
17:52.22Seerahhe's talking about separate downloadable plugins
17:52.31Seerahusually by different authors
17:52.43Xinhuanoh. now that's different
17:53.30Xinhuani don't think there is a solution to that one
17:53.34Xinhuanin that case
17:53.37foxlitSo, that one-unit-wide backdoor into the natural on Ruins of Tarsonis
17:53.59Xinhuanyou can however, make TWO addon compilations :P
17:54.01foxlitTotally intentional or just gross negligence?
17:54.02Xinhuanand ask users to install both
17:54.08Xinhuanwould that work? lol
17:54.14Seerahthe main question is whether or not the CC is smart enough to not try to download modules
17:54.31AntzeKaynieroh well, maybe I still have a question
17:54.40Seerahokay, now I'm lost again.  I'm going to drink my caffeine
17:55.13XinhuanSeerah, the main discussion is that he wants to create an addon compilation - but realizes trying to email 100 authors is not a good way to do it
17:55.39Seerahoh, to request permission to redistribute?
17:55.41Xinhuanso he's trying to use curse client's feature of creating a compilation list of addons that he can share with others
17:55.53XinhuanCC calls it a CCIP file
17:55.54alestanefoxlit, not sure I've spotted it yet.
17:56.12alestaneBut I'm not playing much right now.
17:56.16Xinhuanits essentially just that - a list of addons
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17:56.32AntzeKaynierthe question is slightly off-topic
17:56.39AntzeKaynierif I'm writing an addon that consists of several small modules and I would like to let people disable and exclude some of them, yet I think they're best used as one, should I create several curse projects for each one of them plus one more for "all-in-one" version?
17:56.47Seerahthat's how curse handles their ui section, no?
17:56.48AcidWebThere are any performance differences between declaring frames in XML and in LUA?
17:57.11Xinhuanthat's really your decision AntzeKaynier
17:57.17Seerahno, imo
17:57.28Xinhuanif your modules are small enough that having them loaded in memory is irrelevant, just let them disable them in game
17:57.40AntzeKaynierI currently have only "all-in-one" project
17:57.41Seerahyou should just code it so that the core doesn't throw a fit if it doesn't find a module
17:57.46Xinhuanbut if they are large enough, make the default package for the addon unpack them into several addon folders that are LoD
17:58.02alestaneAcidWeb: a tiny amount at load time only. Not enough to care about.
17:58.02Xinhuanand make sure none of your modules are dependant on each other completely
17:58.19AcidWebalestane: Ok. Thank you.
17:58.37AntzeKaynierthere's a core module, the others depending on it, no cross dependencies
17:58.38alestaneOnce the frames are loaded, they work the same way regardless.
17:58.40Xinhuanthere aren't any performance differences after the addon is loaded (between lua vs xml)
17:59.19Xinhuansome authors find it easier to create frames in Lua because it is less verbose and Lua errors are caught more easily than XML ones
17:59.36AntzeKaynier>> make the default package for the addon unpack them into several addon folders -- that's a hosting server's feature?
17:59.38Xinhuanbut some authors like to separate the visual elements from the functional code
18:00.00Xinhuanthat's mostly a Curse Client (and any other installer like Minion)'s feature
18:00.15AntzeKaynierI mean, I currently have only LUA, it doesn't unpack anything anywhere... I see, thank you
18:00.25Xinhuanit reads the metadata included with the addon and determines if it should do further unpacking
18:00.52AntzeKaynieraha, thank you, I think I know which doc page to read about it
18:00.55Xinhuanthe zips on the download side are also generated differently
18:01.04Xinhuanbased on a config file
18:01.12Xinhuanusually on the repo side
18:02.02Xinhuanso with a proper config file, it could instruct the packager to checkout the latest version, of BLAH, move some folders and rename them, and so on
18:02.16Xinhuanbefore zipping it up for download
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18:15.02bluspacecow*slips hat on Xinny's head that reads "Mr Answer Guy"*
18:15.11bluspacecowDoes this top make me look fat Xinhuan ?
18:15.22Xinhuanstabs bluspacecow with a pillow
18:15.55mckenziemcbluspacecow: yes
18:16.11bluspacecowthat takes some skill xinny.
18:16.37mckenziemctorhal trained him well
18:17.07Xinhuanevery pillow has a pointy end
18:18.03Lothrikphew
18:18.28Lothrikmy list of addons to get permission for is now a mere 7 items long
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18:18.44Xinhuano_O
18:18.57LothrikAPT, Reflux, ncBiggerMacros, GridAutoFrameSize, BasicBrokers, Bartender4 and Bagnon
18:19.14Xinhuanwhat happened to the other 90+
18:19.19Lothrikeverything else I'm able to pipe through the curse client
18:19.36SeerahI'm confused
18:19.48SeerahBartender4, for example, is available through the CC
18:19.57Xinhuani'm confused too, reflux and Bt4 are both available on curse
18:20.05Lothrikif an addon exists on curse.com and I haven't modified it, I can just have the person download it through curse client
18:20.17Seerahoh, you have modified them?
18:20.19Lothrikyes
18:20.25Seerahthen you may have a harder time getting permission
18:20.32Seerah(depends on the author, though)
18:20.36Lothrikyeah, I know
18:20.38Xinhuanwould it be possible for you to modify them via an addon of your own?
18:20.45Lothriknot sure
18:20.47Seerah^^
18:20.53Xinhuani.e, have your compilation modify them in Lua after the fact
18:20.58Xinhuanwith your own addon
18:20.59Seerahwhat did you change?
18:22.14LothrikBagnon I simply disabled Bagnon_Forever, Bartender I made customizations (PetBar and StanceBar are only active for specific classes)
18:22.31LothrikBasicBrokers_Durability, I disabled an otherwise unconfigurable (irritating) popup message
18:22.51LothrikGridAutoFrameSize I made it always display pets if the raid size is <40
18:23.09LothrikncBiggerMacros I fixed the display of tooltips
18:23.27SeerahBagnon - that's just disabling a plugin addon, no?  That's controllable via the addons list.  Plus, I <3 Bagnon_Forever, but anyway...  Bartender... doesn't it do that already?  (I thought Dominos did...)
18:23.28Lothrikand Reflux.. well, I'm currently hijacking that for loading the configuration for my UI automatically
18:23.41LothrikBartender? nope, it doesn't
18:23.50Lothriknot the way I have it setup anyways
18:24.00Xinhuanyou can find BT4 and Reflux's authors on here or #wowace, the others... you'll have to email
18:24.00Lothriksome classes have both a stance and a pet bar
18:24.09SeerahStill, for Bagnon, you don't need to alter it at all for that
18:24.12Lothrikbut I only want one or the other
18:24.29Seerahwhat will you tell users that want both?
18:24.30ArrowmasterLothrik: pet bar is needed for some raid encounters and other stuff
18:24.51bluspacecowkk i go homes nows
18:24.55Seerahbai
18:25.27LothrikArrowmaster: petbar is currently disabled like this:
18:25.29Lothrikif playerClass == "DRUID" or playerClass == "SHAMAN" or playerClass == "DEATHKNIGHT" or playerClass == "PRIEST" then return end
18:25.41Xinhuanpet bar is also needed for some quests
18:25.49Lothrikand stancebar like this: if playerClass == "HUNTER" or playerClass == "PRIEST" then return end
18:25.55Xinhuanyou get pets sometimes
18:26.06LothrikI've been raiding and playing every class for 6+ months like this and haven't had any issues
18:26.10Seerahdo DKs get a pet bar if they're unholy?  (mine is not)
18:26.21Lothrikyes, DKs can get a pet bar
18:26.34Seerahbut you're turning it off?
18:26.37Lothrikyup
18:26.46Seerah... why?
18:27.13Lothrikreal answer? I have the pet bar and the stance bar in the exact same position in my UI
18:27.22Xinhuandoesn't mind control give a pet bar too? or is it a stance bar?
18:27.31mckenziemcpossess bar
18:27.50Seerahare hunter aspects in the stance bar now?
18:28.04mckenziemcyeah
18:28.31airtonixhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/31/0013236/SFPD-Arrests-Suspect-In-Airbnb-Rental-Trashing
18:28.31SeerahI'm sorry, Lothrik, but I would not use your configurations :)
18:28.33Seerahand I foresee confused users in your future :)
18:29.03SeerahMy suggestion is that you find a better way to provide both :)
18:29.06Seerahbut that's me.
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18:30.18Lothrikquestion: have you ever actually used the pet bar for a shamans ghost wolves?
18:30.22Lothrikor a druids treants?
18:31.21Lothrikor even a priests shadowfiend, for that matter
18:31.36Xinhuani don't think those provided pet bars
18:31.41Xinhuanthey are uncontrollable iirc
18:31.42Lothrikyes, they all do
18:31.56Lothriktrust me, if they didn't, I wouldn't of disabled them
18:32.19Xinhuanok, so why do you want it disabled? is there an alternative provided?
18:32.47Lothrikalternative?
18:32.56Lothrikput the pet commands in a macro or on a normal bar
18:33.02Xinhuani see
18:33.13Seerahbut that takes up normal bar space
18:33.25Xinhuanyou can ping nevcairiel regarding permission for BT4
18:33.33Xinhuanhe's probably awake now anyway
18:33.46Lothrikwell, in over a year of playing every class I've never had a problem with running out of bar space Seerah
18:33.54Lothrikeven with the pet bar disabled
18:34.04XinhuanPvPers always complain to me about lack of hotbar space lol
18:34.14Seerahyou haven't, sure :)  but when you upload your UI, you have to think about more than just yourself.
18:34.26SeerahUnless you're just saying "look at what I use!"
18:34.33Lothriknot really
18:34.42LothrikI posted my UI on my guild forums
18:34.52Lothrikand one of the officers commented on it and suggested I upload it somewhere
18:34.53Seerahthis is the difference between UI authors and great UI authors
18:36.15Xinhuana friend told me he needs like 12 macros just for his pet
18:36.41Seerahthere is (and I'm speaking personally here) a difference between those who like the ego-boost because one or two people liked it and asked for an upload and the people that actually want to help make other players' UI experience better, give them something they can work with, and actually support and keep the UI updated
18:36.50Seerahwhich are you?
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18:37.22FiskerXinhuan
18:37.24Fiskeri ated food
18:37.34Xinhuani drank water
18:37.59Seerahif you belong in the second group, we are offering you constructive criticism.  If you are in the first, then your UI is fine for you.  Don't worry about complaints from users.
18:38.16Seerahwhoever likes it will download it, whoever can use it will use it
18:38.34LothrikI'm not deluding myself into thinking I'm designing the end-all UI everybody will use
18:38.44Seerahyou don't have to :)
18:38.52LothrikI know there's tons of UIs out there that I hate, and probably tons of people that will hate my UI
18:39.08LothrikI'm not going to bend over backwards to please everybody, but I'm not going to ignore legitimate complaints either
18:39.18Seerahand that's fine :)
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18:39.25Seerahyou cannot make everyone happy all of the time :)
18:39.32Lothrikrealistically I'm just working on a UI for me and my group of friends, and trying to make it open to the public as well
18:39.40Lothriksince strangers are just friends I haven't met yet and all that
18:40.06Seerahbut you do have to think of more than just yourself.  which means providing alternatives (or at least pointing them in the right direction) for useful things that you take away
18:40.16Seerahthat is all :)
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18:41.09LothrikI'm totally aware that it's not ideal for everybody out there as-is
18:41.30LothrikI mean hell, it still shows decursive on my death knight
18:41.30airtonixlothrik I am unhappy. fix this.
18:41.52Lothrikhugs airtonix
18:41.57airtonix:<
18:41.58mckenziemckills airtonix
18:42.01mckenziemcbetter?
18:42.08airtonixI
18:42.11mikmacog|away: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/you_wont_be_needing_this.jpg
18:42.14airtonixwill
18:42.17airtonixkill
18:42.20airtonixyou
18:42.22Xinhuani think Seerah put it across quite elegantly, i wasn't quite as polite :)
18:42.57Seerahyou know me... little miss polite :p
18:43.12Lothrikwe could have a day long argument about whether or not grid should be in the middle of the UI or off to the side
18:43.26Lothrikor one about pitbull vs bartender
18:43.51Lothriksome things are preference, others are "I haven't gotten around to it yet!"
18:44.01SeerahAh, but as long as someone could move Grid to where they are most used to having it, you're fine :)
18:44.07Xinhuanthat's more of a personal opinion than one about practical usage and possibility of confusing users though
18:44.13SeerahHard-coding a bar to be disabled (or even created) is different
18:44.20Xinhuana lot of people complain about Pitbull not having Sane defaults for example
18:44.22airtonixseerah, do you like
18:44.32Seeraha better idea, would be to use the class-based profiles for Bartender.
18:45.06Xinhuanmost addon compilations simply instruct their users to "once you install this, type /reflux blah blah"
18:45.10Xinhuanin any case
18:45.36Xinhuanalong with complete instructions on how to install their user configurations into the WTF folder
18:46.07Xinhuanor, it comes along with a addon that has dependency enabled on just about everything
18:46.11Xinhuanand does the /reflux for the user
18:46.19Xinhuanthen disables itself
18:46.24Lothrikor, like me
18:46.27Lothrikhijacks reflux
18:46.31Lothrikand makes it do it automatically
18:46.45Seerahyou can do it automatically from an external addon
18:46.47Xinhuanyes but consider this, if you just make a mini addon that has depenency on reflux
18:46.58Xinhuanand make your addon tell reflux to switch profiles
18:47.03Xinhuanit does the same thing no?
18:47.06Seerahslash commands are globally accessible
18:47.20Seeraheven if the functions they call are not
18:47.26Xinhuanthen you don't have to worry about getting permission for reflux, and the user can update it as usual
18:47.36Xinhuaninstead of having you to provide a custom copy every patch
18:49.47Lothrikthe only problem with that is I'm actually directly calling the functions and not slash commands.. and I'm not entirely sure how I'd replicate the current behaviour otherwise
18:50.07Xinhuanlook into reflux and see how it takes in the arguments from the slash commands
18:50.19Seerahif the functions are global, then you do it the exact same way.  If the functions are local, you use the slash command.
18:50.19Lothrikeh
18:50.40Xinhuanusually its nothing more than _G[SLASH_REFLUX1](arg1, arg2, arg3)
18:51.01Lothrikhm
18:51.08Xinhuanbecause all slash comamnds are stored in a global table
18:51.13LothrikI suppose I could do this outside of reflux
18:51.16Xinhuanwhich is just a table of functions
18:51.21SeerahSlashCmdList["REFLUX"](profile)
18:51.22Xinhuanwith the key as the slash command name
18:51.27Xinhuanyesh what seerah said
18:51.31Xinhuani didn't have the exact table name
18:51.36Lothrikactually, yeah
18:51.41Lothrikit should work outside of reflux
18:51.49Seerahyeah ;)
18:51.51Lothrikall it needs access to is some globals from RefluxDB
18:52.05Xinhuanyou only have to make sure you execute your command after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and only after all other addons have loaded
18:52.28LothrikI'll paste this code somewhere
18:52.43airtonixnot only Cyber but they use in the Excel sheets Comic Sans as default font.
18:52.46Lothrikit's pretty much completely seperate from reflux actually.. don't know why I even thought i needed to put it inside there
18:52.50airtonixlulz
18:52.53Seerahthis is assuming that "REFLUX" is the name kagaro passes to the SlashCmdList table
18:53.01Xinhuanyou can do pretty much the same to most addons
18:53.10Xinhuanthat is, actively modify it after they have loaded
18:53.11Lothrikhttp://www.pastie.org/private/hivjmhjh6jzqqflflysqg
18:53.15airtonixfisker
18:54.03SeerahAnother option that UI authors use is to directly modify the saved variables files of each addon.  AddonADB = this setting, etc.  Then have the user reload the UI (which you can also provide a button for)
18:54.48Seerahis that where you are disabling bagnon_forever?  cause that's not modifying bagnon at all
18:54.55Seerahor did you just write that?
18:55.25Lothrikthat's what i have in reflux.lua
18:55.29Lothrikat the very bottom
18:55.44Xinhuanbtw the { LothUI_InstalledVersion = nil } in line 1 there, does nothing :P
18:56.27Seerahwell, it creates a table for the svs with key LothUI_InstalledVersion and value nil :p
18:56.37Seerahno?
18:56.41Xinhuanassigning nil to a table key removes the key
18:56.48Seerahah, true
18:56.49Xinhuanso its as good as just declaring it as {}
18:56.57Seerahgoes to drink more Diet Coke
18:57.14Seerahwhich is the usual method anyway
18:57.23SeerahLothDB = LothDB or {}
18:57.28Cairennchuckles at Seerah
18:57.28Xinhuanbut i can see value in it, where it can later just be updated from nil to something like a string or integer
18:57.41Seerahmy can is empty :(
18:57.54Fiskerairtonix
18:57.55CairennThe way you said that, it came across as if you were saying you were going to drink the coolaid
18:57.58Fiskerdestroys Cairenn for free
18:58.05SeerahCairenn: :P
18:58.08Cairennhehehe
18:58.12Xinhuanalso, does the TOC file actually state LothDB as a savedvar?
18:58.24Lothrikit's per character, yes
18:58.36alestaneKeys can exist in a table with value nil, but only until the table gets rehashed.
18:58.41Xinhuanif all of that is just at the end of reflux.lua
18:58.52Xinhuanyou can just move all that code to a new addon, and have it reqdep reflux
18:59.17alestaneAnd things like next and pairs will pass over nil keys
18:59.18Fiskerairtonix  please
18:59.25Xinhuani don't see an issue with the code otherwise, at first glance
19:00.17Seerahwhere is teh CleanSetPoint function defined?  is that part of reflux's faux profiles stuff?
19:00.28Xinhuanits defined 3 lines up you noob
19:00.30Xinhuan:)
19:00.35Seerahoh :p
19:00.44SeerahI don't like black backgrounds :(
19:00.57Seerahthere - much better
19:01.20Seerahoh, defined inside another function - no wonder I didn't see it :p
19:01.42Xinhuanits pretty clean code, see no issues
19:02.27Arrowmasterhow stupid can people be, i just saw dvd rips using 10bit h264
19:02.33Seerahugh - you're hardcoding the bindings???
19:02.45Seerahthat could make some people cry
19:02.53Seerahlike me
19:03.31TorhalArrowmaster: Did you see that they rebooted Thundercats? Heh.
19:03.32Seerahone rule in UIs is let the users keep (or set up) their own bindings
19:03.36airtonixFisker: i can't sleep
19:03.40airtonixit's your fault
19:03.50ArrowmasterTorhal: yes i downloaded it the other day, havent watched it yet
19:03.51SeerahTorhal: did you see it?  I didn't
19:03.51Lothrikstill a work in progress Seerah
19:03.59LothrikI'll add some sort of prompt
19:04.06Seerah:)
19:04.23TorhalSeerah: Not yet. The guy who did the voice of Lion-O now voices his father so that's kinda o.O
19:04.43SeerahI thought that voice tickled my brain when I saw the clip
19:05.41airtonixwhat brain?
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19:05.51airtonixoh hat one
19:05.53Seerah~lart airtonix
19:05.53purlcuts off airtonix's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper
19:06.08airtonixsee there's my brain
19:07.01Seerahglad I could help!
19:07.15airtonixbtw, why would you rent your apartment out to internet stalkers while your stuff is still in it?
19:07.30SeerahI wouldn't!
19:07.54airtonixwell apparently someone did
19:08.11Seerahnot the sharpest tool in the shed, I presume
19:08.17airtonixthen decided it was shocking that someone ransacked her house and used it for a dump
19:08.50airtonixdie hard 5: Facebook Apartment Rentals
19:09.34airtonix"The taste of ash was heavy in the air... the aftermath of the bomb left everything pale in a blanket of white ash..."
19:10.36airtonixi wouldn't even rent a room in my house to people i know while i'm still living in it
19:12.39alestaneSainty check...in C++, "char c[15][50]" is an array of 15 50-char buffers, right?
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19:12.59airtonixalestane: can the iphone have widgets on its homescreen ?
19:13.11alestane...what?
19:13.22airtonixor is there something funky you can do with the applications icon on the homescreen?
19:13.26alestaneLike working clocks or things?
19:13.34airtonixsort of yeah
19:13.43airtonixnotifications summaries, graphs etc
19:14.08alestaneThe only App I've seen do that at all is the calendar.
19:14.36airtonixis it restricted to apple created applications ?
19:16.54alestaneI don't know.
19:17.08alestaneI haven't tried to make anything that would use that functionality yet.
19:18.19airtonixi'm just thinking of some happy middle ground for our companies mobile applications for our customers, it would be neat if the application would keep our clients alerted to any new customers they had via a notification widget and service on the homescreen
19:18.41airtonixalthough im not sure what is possible on the iphone, i know it has notifications but not sure about the homescreen
19:19.04airtonixi've seen numbers overlay the docked icons
19:19.41Xinhuanyes alestane :P
19:19.53alestaneIndicating how many notifications have come in, yes.
19:20.01alestaneYes to arrays, Xinhuan?
19:20.04Xinhuanyeah
19:20.42alestaneThen I know what's wrong with my brother's program.
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19:33.35Krapshttp://kotaku.com/5826170/sitting-on-your-ass-playing-halo-for-12-hours-the-silent-killer
19:34.55Thunder_Child"The Sun showed remarkable restraint in reporting this tragedy without hacking Staniforth's cell phone." heh
19:35.17Krapsyeah :p
19:36.02Krapsmy brother got pretty sick after a plane trip in similar fashion
19:36.36Krapsah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_vein_thrombosis#Traveller.27s_thrombosis
19:52.26jnwhitehAnyone here know Stockholm?
19:52.47Xinhuanit is a city
19:53.06jnwhitehhelpful, thanks =)
19:53.49alestaneI believe Cide would be the one to ask.
19:53.56jnwhitehyeah, pinged him externally
19:54.09jnwhitehor in PMs.. not sure
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20:36.49Nobgulok so thats cool vent on ipad =P
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20:40.37airtonixumad?
20:43.52Nobgulare you?
20:44.51Nobgulhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/1411068664.png
20:50.00Thunder_ChildNobgul: so you pay ~$125/mo for that?
20:52.07Nobgul$600 ish
20:52.38Nobgullightpath for business we switched to voip lines.
20:54.54Thunder_Childoptimum online offers thoes speeds to residential for about what i said.
20:55.26NobgulThe fastest I was able to get out of them was the bosst plus. which is 30mbit
20:55.28Thunder_Childlove how buisnesses get shafted
20:55.38NobgulThe ultra is 100mbit for about 125$
20:55.51Thunder_Childright....isnt that what i said?
20:56.07Nobgulexcept you cannot get ultra for residential
20:56.09Arrowmasteryou only get 15mbit up for that price?
20:56.16Nobgulyou have to convert to a business account
20:56.41NobgulArrowmaster: thats 1 gateway of 4 i can't get them to combine with the hardware i have. =(
20:57.01Arrowmasterah
20:57.14Arrowmasterso really you have 400mbit/60mbit?
20:57.30Nobgulworking on it though. we have 5 gateways, 1 for the phone and the other 4 for internet for the hotel / office.
20:58.10Nobgulfrom what they said it sould be 500mbps per gateway but i have only been able to pull down 100mbit
21:00.17Nobguloh well i give up for now they are comming tuesday to fix it
21:01.33Arrowmasteryou do have a gigabit lan right?
21:01.43NobgulYea.
21:02.15NobgulI bought all new cards for the pc's,  i have 2 in my pc and i can bridge them just fine. But i want to bridge them in the switch then be able to run 1 cable to each pc.
21:02.17Arrowmasterif you are only getting 100mbit instead of 500mbit each my first though would be to check everything to make sure its all in gigabit mode and not 100mbit
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21:02.35NobgulAll the lights say 1000bit.
21:02.39Thunder_Childload balance
21:03.06Thunder_Childthough even then they are not really merged
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21:05.17Nobguli dunno. all i know is this equipment was expensive and the company we got it from has crappy support.
21:05.34Kraps"Shark Week, the brainchild of a stoned Discovery Channel employee that became a national holiday, starts officially tonight at 9PM. "
21:05.52Nobgullol
21:06.01Arrowmasteri still dont get what shark week is
21:06.32TMc51grrrrrr
21:06.42Nobgula week dedicated to everything sharks.
21:06.50NobgulI would rather watch a weed week. but ya know
21:06.58TMc51right after i JUST ordered new cans and mics, this goes on freaking sale. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826626004
21:07.18AlramFisker got trolled back by blizz
21:07.29TMc51permabanslapped?
21:07.37Alramhttp://eu.battle.net/account/local-common/images/game-boxes/en-gb/d3-big.png
21:07.59TMc51lol
21:08.02Krapsoh snap
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21:13.46airtonixTMc51: be mad with me?
21:14.30Arrowmasterhttp://www.ranker.com/list/the-10-greatest-comic-con-2011-casual-encounters-posts/greg
21:14.50Fiskeronly because Bibi posted it Alram :(
21:14.55Fiskerotherwise they would never have noticed
21:14.58Alramyeah
21:15.00Alrambut still
21:15.02Alramyou got countertrolled
21:15.08Fiskerjust like how i found that exploit with certain NPC's being unable to cast spells
21:15.12Alramand there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
21:15.15Fiskerwent unfixed for like 3 major patches
21:15.20Fiskerthen i put it on warcraftmovies
21:15.25Fiskerfixed next patch
21:15.28Fiskermaybe even hotfixed
21:15.30Fiskeri don't recall
21:15.35airtonixFisker:
21:19.28Fiskerairtonix
21:20.00Fiskeranyway Alram
21:20.03Fiskerbeta started yet?
21:20.15Alramwhat beta
21:20.19Alramwow x4?
21:21.17Fiskeroh u
21:21.18FiskerD3 of course
21:21.28airtonixwhat peasant country are you is?
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21:21.44FiskerDenmark
21:21.54Alramoh diablo tree
21:21.59Alramhow should i know im dutch
21:22.14Fiskerok
21:22.18Fiskeri hate the dutch
21:22.28Alramok
21:22.33airtonixoh ok
21:22.43airtonixis that like the self loathing jew?
21:23.08airtonixFisker: why would you hate ?
21:26.54Fiskeri feel bad airtonix
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21:27.25FiskerSixen or whoever is running the diablocast on diablofans is basically calling me a loser i think :(
21:27.27Fisker:(
21:27.30FiskerAlram :(
21:27.41Alramwhy
21:27.42airtonixumad?
21:27.47Sixeno/
21:27.47TMc51fisker: are you saying you aren't?
21:27.51Sixenhemad
21:27.57Fiskerno TMc51
21:28.56Fiskerbut Sixen
21:28.58Fiskerseriously
21:29.02Fiskeri dreamt about finding the boxart
21:29.06Fiskerso i looked if it was there
21:29.07Fiskerand it was
21:29.18Fiskeri'm not sure if that's helping my case or just making it worse though
21:29.36Alramworse
21:29.45Alramdefinitely worse
21:29.48TorhalI'm thinking you should start using apostrophes in all the wrong places, Fisker.
21:30.10Fiskerk T'orhal
21:30.23Fiskerwhat do you say Sixen ?
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21:30.49airtonixTorhal: are you conspiring against the crown?
21:30.58Sixenwut
21:31.06Fiskerread up
21:31.07Fisker:O
21:31.10airtonixhe says "wut"
21:34.20Fiskerno airtonix
21:35.46airtonixoh ok
21:35.47airtonixbut
21:36.11airtonixturns out postler can't write emails
21:38.04Torhalairtonix: Don't make me charge you with treason.
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21:51.39foxlitew, this problem sucks
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21:56.32Fiskersounds hot foxlit
21:58.22foxlit:9
21:59.36foxlitI'd like to present the user with an ability to select an entry from some form of hierarchical structure
22:00.25StanzillaFisker: what exploit with npc spells was that?
22:00.27foxlitproblematically, that structure probably needs to draw from multiple sources
22:00.29Krapshey airtonix http://i.imgur.com/dAGdX.jpg
22:00.42foxlitwhich may change their contents while you're selecting
22:00.48FiskerStanzilla basically casters wouldn't cast spells
22:00.57Krapssend it to all your countryfolk
22:01.04Fiskerof course it was only NPC's
22:01.07Fiskerbut it was kinda funny
22:01.15StanzillaFisker: is the video still online?
22:01.21Fiskerdon't think so
22:01.50Fiskeri'll see if i can find my user profile again
22:03.19Fiskerguess not
22:03.20foxlithttp://i.imgur.com/0EaJ3.gif
22:03.23foxlitpretty fireworks
22:03.32Fiskerwarcraftmovies claim i uploaded no movies
22:04.37foxlitYou know what would be awesome? Some sort of automatic script to parse a SC2Replay, and generate amusing gifs
22:05.08Nobgulwhy is it can't find just ouf grr a zillion themes but not the base
22:05.36foxlitparse error: object expected near "it"
22:05.51Nobgullol
22:06.37Fiskeranyway Stanzilla
22:07.00Fiskerit was basically, if i recall correctly, that you could gouge an NPC and then just stand still
22:07.07Fiskerif you stood still they would never cast a spell
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22:08.20Fiskerif i recall correctly i still used it back in the silithus times with the prophet dude with the texts
22:08.24Fiskerbefore it was fixed
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22:12.07Fiskeralso spent some time convincing them that there was a pretty serious security breach with the authenticator :P
22:12.28Fiskerback when they were kinda "Authenticators can't be hacked lol"
22:13.37NobgulYou can only reg dungeon with bnet firends not raid right?
22:13.43Nobgulfriends*
22:13.44Fiskerbtw
22:13.49Fiskeri need some views on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60h5gYBpdBI
22:13.50Fiskergogo
22:13.55Fiskeryes Nobgul
22:14.01Nobgulcheers Fisker
22:14.12Fiskergo click my youtube link like a boss
22:14.20TMc51"Adding comments has been disabled for this video."   BOOOO FAIL!   *clicks thumb down*
22:14.27Nobgulalready done but it locked up my firefox
22:14.51Nobguland its still locked up wtf
22:16.36Fiskerit's ok TMc51
22:16.39Fiskerit's views i'm after
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22:21.21KrapsFisker: that makes no goddam sense
22:22.26hasteNobgul: I blame dolby
22:22.52Nobgulhaste: I balme everyone but myself
22:23.13hasteI could blame myself for not pushing a new release, which would bump it to the top of the search list again
22:23.16hastebut I won't
22:23.20haste(blame myself that is)
22:24.22Nobgulhaste:  what is the license of ouf?
22:24.35foxlitspamware :)
22:25.03foxlit(you must create a bazillion addons starting with oUF :) )
22:25.24Fiskerumad Kraps ?
22:25.27hasteNobgul: MIT
22:25.35hasteNobgul: layouts I've created are public domain tho'
22:25.50hastefoxlit: already done
22:25.51FiskerKraps  umad?
22:25.53haste!addon oUF
22:25.55lua_botFound 251 addon results for 'oUF': http://is.gd/snLo48
22:26.04Krapsno, watching Alphas
22:28.01NobgulKraps: good show
22:28.20Fiskerthat shitty show Kraps
22:28.34Fiskerare they still unable to hack nokias phone signals because they use another protocol ELL OH ELL
22:28.47Nobgullol
22:29.10NobgulHe doesnt "hack" he pick up the electro siugnal
22:30.07Krapsoh i'm not at that part yet
22:30.15Krapsbut thats pretty funny
22:30.16hasteSPOILERS
22:30.37Fiskerwhatever Nobgul, point is that he's wrong as fuck
22:30.49Fiskeralso they investigate shit that's GLARINGLY FUCKING OBVIOUS
22:30.55Fiskerhurr we need special powers herp derp
22:31.37Nobgulumad?
22:33.23Fiskerumad?
22:33.27Nobgulnevah
22:33.49Fiskeryou seem tense
22:33.59Nobgultoo much coffee
22:34.10hasteforgot to drink coffee yesterday =/
22:34.50Nobgulhrmm cowboys and aliens >_<
22:35.00Krapsthe script is pretty funny though
22:35.48hasteI bought 1kg of marshmallows today Fisker
22:36.00Fiskerusing it for a marshmallow bomb?
22:36.08hastehush
22:36.14hastePST might be on to me
22:36.27Fisker:O
22:36.39Fiskeri hate pacific standard time
22:37.44hastesilly Fisker, PST is politiets sikkerhetstjeneste in Norway
22:38.26Fiskeri know
22:38.49hasteno
22:38.59Fiskerok :(
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22:39.48Fiskeratleast i'm getting my package tomorrow
22:40.30Krapsthey try to give a biological basis for the powers but the only one thats even slightly "possible" is is the rage guy
22:43.18Fiskeri'm sure if i can read electromagnetic waves i can watch youtube too
22:44.54Krapsthese are broadcasted waves though
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22:46.32Fiskerat some point he watches youtube (or some copy) from the internets Kraps
22:46.46Krapsyeah i remember
22:54.22Krapsnice shot
22:58.16karl_w_wshoots Kraps
22:58.22karl_w_wsnake eyes :(
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22:59.42Krapscan you shoot the metal sign behind me and ricochet the bullet into my back though?
22:59.54karl_w_wno
23:00.02pantsninjais there a way for me to reference local variables inside my lua file from /dump or /run on the command line?
23:00.13karl_w_wno
23:00.25pantsninjaok, thanks
23:01.00karl_w_wother than making themm global of course :P
23:01.47pantsninjaYeah. I don't want to have to worry about stuff conflicting with other addons, so I swap certain vars to local before i publish. I suppose I could just try to make a unique name for them
23:02.55karl_w_wlocal are slightly better for performance :P
23:03.48pantsninjamy project is pretty small and is <200 lines of code (about 20% of which is comments and debug code that only gets run when the flag is true)
23:03.49karl_w_wand it's just good practice to use locals wherever you can imo
23:03.49hasteyou can keep them within a global table scope as well
23:04.08pantsninjaI'm not super concerned about small improvements in performance at my scale
23:04.20pantsninjahaste: yeah, I was considering that
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23:11.22karl_w_wwhy isn't there an item that turns you into a kobold
23:11.34karl_w_wan enchanted candle or something
23:12.19Fiskeri'm sick karl_w_w
23:12.34karl_w_wfully sick?
23:13.16Fiskerfully sick as in make a bomb, copy/paste a 1500 page manifesto and then kill a lot of people?
23:13.18Fiskernot that sick
23:13.24Fiskerbut my stomach doesn't feel so well
23:15.41karl_w_wdrink ginger beer Fisker
23:16.41Fiskermixing ginger with ginger doesn't work well karl_w_w
23:17.23karl_w_wthats what she said
23:17.46karl_w_wmy infinity cat is still going :(
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23:37.08karl_w_whttp://iwastesomuchtime.com/img_active/July-24-2011-01-43-27-Firefox.jpg
23:46.17foxlitThe 15-game streak achievements continue to elude me :(
23:49.19karl_w_wa whatnow foxlit?
23:49.36foxlitsc2 coop
23:52.34foxlitevery 7 games or so, someone decides to go 2rax reaper, or something equally useless
23:53.51Fiskerit's ok foxlit
23:54.03Fiskerif you coop'd with me i'd go 6 supply proxy gateway
23:54.25Fiskeractually i did a pretty epic maneuver in a coop game
23:54.25cbreak3 racks ghost!
23:54.31cbreakwith nukes!
23:54.57Fiskerbaww
23:55.04Fiskerdoesn't look like i put it on youtoob or anything
23:55.09Fiskerbasically cbreak
23:55.26Fiskeri held like a billion zerglings because of an epic block in the last second
23:55.40Fiskerthen i had massed like 20 void rays and attack moved to his based ELL OH ELL
23:55.42Fiskerbase*
23:56.04Fiskeri did 4 stargate on 1 base
23:56.05Fisker:D
23:56.56cbreakyou must have more problems with gas than Professor Putricide
23:57.20Fiskercbreak nah
23:57.28karl_w_wyou mean festergut
23:57.28Fiskerit was basically all i did
23:57.34Fiskerthey both use gas
23:57.36Fiskerell oh ell
23:57.49Fiskeri had like a zealot and a stalker
23:57.55karl_w_wno pp uses slime
23:57.58Fiskerand then void rays
23:58.00Fiskerno karl_w_w
23:58.01Fiskerfuck you
23:58.07karl_w_wif you like
23:58.11karl_w_wbut ill still be right
23:58.33cbreakkarl_w_w: just go through his voice samples :)
23:58.44Fiskeri'd find you a professor putricide movie but i'm going to sleep now
23:59.10karl_w_wpp is more about slime
23:59.17karl_w_wfestergut is more about gas
23:59.55karl_w_wbesides, pp doesnt have problems with gas

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