IRC log for #wowuidev on 20110717

00:04.51Wobin"See if you can figure out this boss's secret that makes it so hard :3"
00:04.54Wobineh
00:05.11Arrowmasterthat boss looked easy compared to touhou bosses
00:07.32Wobinthey're not 'bosses'
00:07.42Wobinthey're just white holes spewing bullets =P
00:09.49Arrowmasterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZu2O_JQ4vs
00:09.53Arrowmasteri want that song as my ring tone
00:11.29Arrowmasteroh wait the 'safe spot' is in th08
00:11.37Wobin...cranberry trap?
00:12.01Arrowmasterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8lg-WVxKo&feature=player_detailpage#t=215s
00:12.15AckisTorhal|work, Cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/i7zEm
00:12.37WobinArrowmaster: surely that's a bug
00:12.45Arrowmasterhaste: ^^^
00:13.00Adysa general FYI since theres been no announcement
00:13.04Adysgoogle code now supports git
00:13.13Adys(nobody cares because github is better)
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00:22.30TheLifelessOneDoes anyone know how to make category listing like the ones in the Interface menu>>
00:22.32TheLifelessOne?*
00:25.44Trela(Nobody cares because git sucks.)
00:25.53TrelaTheLifelessOne: Let me find the documentation.
00:26.07TheLifelessOneOkay, thanks.
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00:27.27TrelaTheLifelessOne: You can use Ace3/AceConfig to have the AddToBlizOptions function.
00:27.41TheLifelessOneTrela, I'm not using Ace. :/
00:27.54AdysTrela: ... what?
00:28.04Adyswhat versioning system do you use?
00:30.03TrelaTheLifelessOne: I can not find the post any more with the manual way.  It was in a blue post on the old forums that were wiped out.  :(
00:30.29TheLifelessOneTrela, ah well. I guess I'll have to post there. Thanks anyways.
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00:48.12TheLifelessOneAnyone know how to make a tree view in XML?
00:48.40Nechckneww..  ;-)
00:48.47TheLifelessOneWhat? :D
00:50.10NechcknSomething like http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/351
00:50.46TheLifelessOneMaybe, but in XML. I'd have a see a screenshot of it.
00:50.54Nechckngah.. but pastey is down... so, dunno.  That would be the place to look.
00:51.11TheLifelessOneHmm.
00:51.21Nechcknhttp://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/test/FrameXML/InterfaceOptionsPanels.lua
00:52.35NechcknShould get you on the path, anywhoo.. good luck with it!
00:53.05TheLifelessOneAlright, cool. Thanks. :D
00:53.25TheLifelessOneWell, I've gotta go. Later guys.
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02:29.18Synycylis anyone here familiar with using the LDB Icon library?
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02:41.50Shirikhow to know WoW has taken over the world:
02:42.04ShirikWhen typing "Beth" into google, the first auto-complete is "Beth'tilac"
02:42.20kd3that just means you need to log out and clear your cookies when searching
02:44.24DagmarI dunno about that
02:44.50DagmarAll kinds of bizarre and obscure stuff about WoW winds up in the top of search resultsd
02:46.37DagmarI think it's more a matter of Google ranks it high because millions of us are constantly lookin' it up
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02:50.25Shirikhuh
02:50.40ShirikI didn't know there were laws saying sunglasses have to block UV light
02:50.53Shirikmakes sense but I always figured most sunglasses vendors were cheapskates
02:53.25Krapshttp://kotaku.com/5821770/facebook-games-more-likely-to-please-a-woman-than-sex
02:56.25DagmarThey require it because there's a definite link shown between problems in the eye (cataracts, mainly) and overexposure to UV light caused by the widening of pupils from lower levels of visible wavelengths
03:00.44kd3ponders at tonight's wake-up music
03:17.33Krapshttp://imgur.com/eMJDt
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03:44.10CairennAckis: hehehe
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03:46.51alestanecurls up next to Cairenn's side with some chocolate milk.
03:47.08Cairenncries on alestane's shoulder
03:47.24TheLifelessOneDoes anyone know how to make tabs? D:
03:47.37alestaneputs down the chocolate milk and gets the tissues.
03:47.52mckenziemc1press the key to the left of your Q key?
03:48.05TheLifelessOneFunny.
03:48.07TheLifelessOneI meant in XML.
03:48.09TheLifelessOne:(
03:48.19alestaneThere's a template for it, I think, but I haven't used it in ages.
03:48.31TheLifelessOnealestane, any chance you remember what it's called?
03:49.11alestaneI think it's in UIPanelTemplates.xml?
03:49.39TheLifelessOneAlright, I'll take a look. Thanks.
03:50.14TheLifelessOneOh yeah, it's in there.
03:50.20TheLifelessOneJust need to find out how to use it. :D
03:51.35alestaneThat part's not as trivial, but it's not terrible either.
03:52.02TheLifelessOnemaybe, but I'm still rather new. :D
03:52.34alestaneI did use it for something once, although it was an enhancement to a part of the UI that's been replaced since then.
03:52.57alestaneBut if NativeOptions is still on wowinterface.com, it has an example.
03:53.11TheLifelessOneAlright
03:53.18TheLifelessOneI'll take a look at that too. Thanks. :D
03:54.12alestaneLook at UIPanelTemplates.lua, the tabs stuff is right at the beginning.
03:54.23TheLifelessOneahhh, I just got a tab like on the Character page to work.
03:54.35TheLifelessOneDimensions are waaay off, but that can be fixed. :D
04:02.36TheLifelessOneWell, I've gotten the tab buttons to work, now I just need to add functionality.
04:06.16TheLifelessOneWell that's an odd error.
04:06.39TheLifelessOne"UIPanelTemplate.lua:20: Attempt to index local 'tab' (a nil value)".
04:06.43TheLifelessOneAny idea what that means?
04:08.01alestaneI think so, let me check.
04:08.05TheLifelessOneOkay, fixed that issue
04:08.10TheLifelessOneI forget to set the tabs.
04:08.15TheLifelessOneBut now I have another error.
04:08.33TheLifelessOne"UIPanelTEmplaes.lua:18: 'for' limit must be a number".
04:08.49alestaneThe tabs system, like a lot of older UI code, depends on frame names to find what it needs.
04:09.09TheLifelessOneWhat does that mean, in relation to the error?
04:09.17alestaneThe parent frame that you've put the tabs on doesn't have numTabs set yet.
04:09.36TheLifelessOneOkay.
04:09.40TheLifelessOneHow do I set that?
04:09.56alestaneGenerally, you should make a frame whose purpose is just to hold the tabs and their panes.
04:10.09TheLifelessOneI have, it's called "ConfigFrame".
04:10.21alestaneThe tabs should have the same name as that frame, plus "Tab" followed by the tab ID of the tab.
04:10.37TheLifelessOneIs that a standard, or needed?
04:10.42alestaneIn your case, then, ConfigFrame.numTabs should be set to the number of tabs.
04:10.49alestaneIt looks like it's needed.
04:11.04TheLifelessOneAlright
04:11.21alestaneUnless you want to roll your own tab-management code, which you can certainly do, it doesn't depend on any special support from WoW.
04:11.49TheLifelessOneI'd rather use the templates, right now. Not too experienced with the XML UI code.
04:12.19TheLifelessOneAh, that worked!
04:12.24TheLifelessOneBuuut there's another error. -_-
04:12.39TheLifelessOne"Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:7: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value)". :(
04:12.45alestaneWelcome to our woeld.
04:12.48alestaneworld*
04:12.50TheLifelessOneIndeed...
04:13.01TheLifelessOneOh I see it.
04:13.33TheLifelessOneForgot to update a couple of values
04:13.38TheLifelessOneOH COME ON WITH THE FOR LIMIT ERROR
04:13.41TheLifelessOneDIDN'T I FIX THAT?
04:14.09alestaneIs it on the same line?
04:14.14TheLifelessOneYep. :(
04:14.25alestaneThen check your spelling.
04:14.33TheLifelessOneI CnP'd the name. :(
04:14.35alestaneRemember that Lua is case-sensitive, maddening as that is.
04:15.56TheLifelessOneMaybe I should start doing this within the XML, and use self:...
04:16.24TheLifelessOneEh, I'm gonna go eat an apple. :D
04:18.18alestaneHard to go wrong there.
04:22.46TheLifelessOneAaaand I'm back, with an apple! :D
04:23.21TheLifelessOneI'm considering moving my UI code to Lua... :/
04:24.04alestaneIt really doesn't matter.
04:24.17TheLifelessOneIs one slower than the other?
04:24.23alestaneOther than the extra complexity of understanding how the two systems interconnect.
04:24.42TheLifelessOneI don't think it would be two hard.
04:25.19TheLifelessOneI would think that XML UI code is just a wrapper around the Lua functions, which the values (attributes) retrived during parsing, and sent to the proper places
04:25.22alestaneThe two will run equally quickly. XML can load slightly faster, but we're talking nanoseconds unless you have many dozens of frames.
04:25.54TheLifelessOneI'll have a lot of frames, but a second or two probably wouldn't hurt.
04:26.58alestaneAnd creating frames from XML templates is slightly faster than creating them in Lua and running the appropriate config functions. But again, for practical purposes, it's a tiny fraction of time, and only occurs during startup in most cases. So they spend a fraction of a second longer reading the helpful tip about not standing in the fire or how to make friends and group with people.
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04:27.16alestaneOnce frames are created or loaded, it doesn't matter how it was done.
04:27.43TheLifelessOnealestane, so then once it's all said-and-done (loading, that is), it doesn't matter what it's coded in, as it'll be just as fast as the other?
04:27.58alestaneAnd I hope this doesn't sound too harsh, but that's the third time I've explained that to you.
04:28.20TheLifelessOneSorry, I tend to forget things sometimes.
04:28.22TheLifelessOne:/
04:28.35alestaneConsider XML to be an optimized way to run load-time code.
04:28.46TheLifelessOneOkay.
04:31.15TheLifelessOneHmm. This error makes me thing something is wrong with the XML being rendered.
04:31.43TheLifelessOneYeah, I think it is. The error is reporting it as a null value.
04:32.05alestaneLook in the WoW folder for a Logs directory and look in there for a FrameXML.log text file.
04:32.21alestaneThat will tell you if errors were encountered parrsing any XML files.
04:32.23TheLifelessOneAlright
04:32.24alestaneparsing*
04:32.41TheLifelessOneYeah, it says it couldn't parse it.
04:33.27TheLifelessOneSomething to do with a <Frames></Frames> declaration, according to a validator I found (might be outdated, but hey...)
04:34.43TheLifelessOneaaaand now I'm getting the for error again.
04:34.45TheLifelessOnesighs.
04:35.02alestaneAny XML validator that understands XSD files can use the file Ui.xsd to validate your XML and tell you where in the tree it's getting confused.
04:35.14alestaneI use XMLNanny, but I think it's Mac-only.
04:35.16TheLifelessOneYep, I know. :D
04:35.47TheLifelessOneI come from a web development background (not professional, just a hobby), so I'm familiar with XML. :D
04:36.38TheLifelessOneHmm.
04:36.50TheLifelessOneHow would you, in Lua, access a child widget of a frame?
04:37.22alestaneWhen you created it with CreateFrame, you would save the result of the function into a field of the parent frame table.
04:37.39TheLifelessOneAnd if it was created in XML?
04:37.55alestaneThere are two attributes that you can put in an XML Frame declaration that affect access.
04:38.27alestaneIf the "name" attribute is present, the Lua global variable with the value of that attribute is set to the frame value.
04:38.42TheLifelessOneYeah, the name is set.
04:38.51alestaneIf the key $parent is present in the string, first it is replaced with the name of the parent.
04:39.21alestaneIf the parentKey attribute of the frame is set, then the field with that value in the parent frame table is set to the child frame.
04:39.54TheLifelessOneHow does parentKey work?
04:40.48alestaneSo if you have <Frame name="ConfigFrame"><Frames><Frame name="$parentTab1" parentKey="tab1" /></Frames></Frame>, then the child can be referred to as the global ConfigFrameTab1, or as ConfigFrame.tab1
04:41.20TheLifelessOneOkay.
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04:42.27alestaneparentKey is a regularly new addition. Originally the UI depended entirely on hacks like asking your parent's name, concatenating some suffix to it, and looking up that global, because every frame was stored in a global variable or not at all.
04:42.41TheLifelessOneOh wow.
04:43.08TheLifelessOneHmm, wait, I think I may have done something wrong.
04:43.36TheLifelessOneIndeed I did, I think.
04:44.11alestaneJust keep failing forward.
04:44.16TheLifelessOneIndeed.
04:45.17alestaneI have a game I'm writing in Lua using a different engine. I just finished recoding part of it, and I'm afraid to run it for fear of the bugs that I'll find.
04:45.25alestaneThis is a terrible habit.
04:45.27TheLifelessOneHeh.
04:45.57TheLifelessOneYay, I got rid of the errors. :D
04:46.16TheLifelessOneand it seems to work. I just need to add content to the tabs though
04:49.56TheLifelessOneHmm, that doesn't work./
04:50.05TheLifelessOneAny chance you know how to actually add content to a tab?
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04:50.38alestaneThere's a pane frame that's associated with each tab, that's shown when the tab is activated.
04:50.49TheLifelessOneOkay.
04:53.01alestaneOr I thought there was.
04:53.20TheLifelessOne:D
04:53.29alestaneOr more accurately, that's how it's done. What I'm having trouble tracking down is how much inherent support there is for it.
04:53.39TheLifelessOneMhm.
04:55.31Arrowmasterhmm my gmail isnt loading
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04:57.38TheLifelessOneWell, both UIPanelTemplates.lua/.xml and CharacterFrame.lua/.xml aren't very helpful.
04:58.22alestaneIt looks like you add the panes yourself, and give each tab an OnClick that shows that pane, hides the others, and calls PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(self, self:GetParent()).
04:59.18TheLifelessOneWait, how do I do that?
04:59.41alestaneOr alternatively, show the pane in OnDisable, hide it in OnEnable, and have the OnClick just call PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick.
05:00.06TheLifelessOneAny chance you have an example of that?
05:01.54alestaneNot handy, it was added after I did that coding IIRC.
05:02.02TheLifelessOneAlright.
05:02.21TheLifelessOneDo you know of a UI file that has an example of this?
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05:03.00alestaneDo a multi-file search?
05:03.07TheLifelessOneAlrighty.
05:05.06alestaneThere isn't much. They just use it mostly for texture swaps.
05:05.33TheLifelessOneAlright.
05:05.45TheLifelessOneBlizzard should really start commenting their code...
05:06.26alestaneYou can attach each pane to its tab as a child of it, and preferably set it to a predictable field, like "tab.pane = CreateFrame("Frame", tab)"
05:06.53alestaneWhen they do comment their code, it's generally edifying observations like "-- table for reuse! Yay reuse!"
05:07.13TheLifelessOneHeh
05:08.15alestaneSo once you do that, you can say "tab:SetScript('OnDisable', function(self) self.pane:Show() end); tab:SetScript('OnEnable', function(self) self.pane:Hide() end)".
05:09.35alestaneAdd "tab:SetScript('OnClick', function(self, ...) PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(self, self:GetParent()) end)" and you *should* be all set.
05:09.47TheLifelessOneOkay, I'll try that.
05:10.20TheLifelessOneLemme ask though, should I be doing all of these events in a single "OnEvent" handler, or in separate "OnX" handlers?
05:11.52alestaneOr in XML, you would have a tab template that would inherit from TabButtonTemplate and added the section "<Scripts><OnClick>PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(self, self:GetParent()) end)</OnClick><OnDisable>self.pane:Show()</OnDisable><OnEnable>self.pane:Hide()</OnEnable></Scripts>".
05:12.09alestane(with appropriate line breaks for readability)
05:12.20alestaneOnEvent is for something totally different.
05:12.35TheLifelessOneHow so?
05:13.00alestaneOnEvent receives client notification events like "The player character just entered combat" or "some unit nearby just took damage."
05:13.22TheLifelessOneAnd "OnX" recieves specific notifications.
05:13.39alestaneWhereas things like OnClick and OnEnable inform the frame of UI layer changes.
05:13.48TheLifelessOneOkay, cool.
05:14.00alestaneBasically, OnEvent receives notifications about game state, and all the others receive notification about UI state.
05:15.51TheLifelessOneThat XML you gave me didn't work/
05:15.54TheLifelessOne:/
05:17.09alestaneWell, that's only part of the picture. Each tab that inherited from your template would need its own OnLoad to create and populate its pane.
05:18.00TheLifelessOneOk
05:20.16alestaneOr its own XML <Frames> child with <Frame parentKey="pane">
05:20.37TheLifelessOneAlright
05:20.50TheLifelessOneSo then if I add that, the code you gave me :should: work?
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05:23.05alestaneMore or less...there is really no substitute for grasping the intent of the code yourself, though.
05:23.12TheLifelessOneMmm.
05:23.26TheLifelessOneI guess I'll take a look at the FrameXML code then. :D
05:23.30alestaneUntil you can do that, you're a blind man trusting someone else to tell you where to step.
05:23.59TheLifelessOneIndeed
05:24.07alestaneHere's the main key to understanding the FrameXML code that's in the Tabs section...all it does is manage the actual bar of tabs.
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05:24.33alestaneIt's up to each tab button itself to individually manage its pane.
05:26.48alestaneThe CharacterFrameTabs, for instance, inherit from a template that adds an OnClick: "PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(self, CharacterFrame); CharacterFrameTab_OnClick(self, button);"
05:27.22alestaneSo the function CharacterFrameTab_OnClick (presumably in CharacterFrame.lua) is the one actually responsible for showing and hiding the tabs.
05:27.35TheLifelessOneOkay
05:27.50TheLifelessOneOh I see that function
05:28.02TheLifelessOneIt's a wrapper to ToggleCharacter();
05:28.17alestaneIt's rather ugly.
05:28.21TheLifelessOneIndeed.
05:28.25alestaneIt doesn't try to do anything generically.
05:28.26TheLifelessOneNot sure how it works though...
05:36.13alestaneHave to sleep now, good luck.
05:36.20TheLifelessOneThanks. :D
05:36.23TheLifelessOneAnd good night. :P
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07:00.10GnarfozStanzilla: see g+ ;p
07:00.21Gnarfozvideo = nice
07:00.23Stanzillaoh!
07:02.13Gnarfozand still stupid that by re-sharing, I create an entirely new comment thread. :(
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08:36.43airtonix_which means you have to stop using visualbasic
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09:35.55Fiskeri had a dream Gnarfoz
09:35.56karl_w_w-0.45 - (Health: 77775 (39%)) Beth'tilac Melee Flippys Hit -81616 (Physical)
09:35.59Fiskeri had a dream Stanzilla
09:36.01Fiskeri had a dream karl_w_w
09:36.11karl_w_wwhy is our tank getting hit for 82k
09:36.52karl_w_won normal
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10:38.50Yoshimois there an addon that hides the blizzard raidframes by default? they pop up each new raid
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11:52.37Fiskertime to see if the prophecy is true karl_w_w
11:53.14FiskerOMG
11:53.23FiskerYES
11:53.25FiskerMY DREAM
11:53.27FiskerMY DREAM CAME TRUE
11:59.03Fiskerso Adys
11:59.24karl_w_wfisker
11:59.34karl_w_wwhy wont rhyolith turn properly
11:59.54karl_w_wwe all smashing the legs and he doesnt turn
11:59.57Fiskerbecause your raid sucks
11:59.59Fiskerbtw karl_w_w
12:00.00Fiskermy dream
12:00.05Fiskerhttps://eu.battle.net/account/local-common/images/game-boxes/en-gb/d3-big.png
12:02.49karl_w_wyou and every other diable fangirl Fisker
12:03.20AdysFisker: ?
12:03.26Adysah
12:03.41FiskerPixel probably know they put it up weeks ago :P
12:05.04Adysyea its been there a little while at least
12:05.37Fiskerweird part is that i dreamt about it
12:06.18Kraftmananyone know about tropical fish?
12:06.57Fiskerask my cousin Kraftman
12:06.59FiskerTropeFisker
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12:07.28Kraftmanlol
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12:16.14Fiskerlol
12:16.24Fisker"You just photoshopped "Beta" onto the bottom didn't you :\"
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12:19.23luc2hello
12:19.54luc2is there a library to parse dates like "2011-07-17 14:19:06" ?
12:22.01Fiskerso apparently i have 5 characters on "Blizzcon Event"
12:22.26Fiskeri wonder why that is
12:23.55AcidWebluc2: Define "parse"
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12:24.23luc2AcidWeb: to convert "2011-07-17 14:19:06" to epoch date
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12:43.29GnarfozStanzilla: video reminded me of http://youtu.be/aWxPxJsrvnM btw ^^
12:44.12Fiskerso Gnarfoz
12:44.14FiskerD3 beta?
12:44.18Gnarfozsure
12:44.25Gnarfozcertainly before you ever get it
12:44.29Gnarfoz(getit?)
12:44.30Fisker:(
12:44.33Fiskerjerk
12:53.48karl_w_wrofl
12:54.00karl_w_wour tank healer 1 shot himself with hand of sacrifice on baleroc
12:54.47Cidebeen there, had that happen
13:05.52airtonixFisker: umadbro
13:06.19Fiskerumadbro
13:07.44airtonixwarner bros are going to fuck up the akira movie
13:09.49Wobinairtonix: I thought they wiped that
13:09.59airtonixhttp://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-14/variety/jaume-collett-serra-to-direct-live-action-akira-film
13:10.00Wobinthe stupid whitewashed one
13:10.53airtonixit will be shit unless vin disiel has a part to play in it
13:11.00WobinI do hope they manage to hire actual asians in it
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13:23.07Kraftmanhttp://i.imgur.com/XFUJ5.jpg
13:23.09Kraftmanopinions?
13:23.26Cidesure
13:23.31Cide"why?"
13:23.42airtonixur inerface is bad
13:24.18KraftmanIt's to easily show which buttons have keys bound to them
13:24.26airtonixoh ok
13:24.39airtonixwell i need to find something else to order pizza with then
13:25.45Kraftmanand oyu can drag and drop spells/items to bind
13:25.45GnarfozKraftman: interesting
13:26.02Kraftmanand right click to bind to interface/macro actions
13:26.52Cidedon't really see the use case but looks fine
13:27.37Kraftmani made it after i stopped playing for a long time, and couldnt remember what each key was bound to
13:27.51Kraftmanits easier to see than scrolling down the default keybind list
13:28.52airtonixfor me it was just easier to not play
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14:15.00KrapsKraftman: if that would be a UI option that you can show/hide, it could have serious potention
14:15.07Krapspotential*
14:15.53Kraftmankraps: it is
14:21.33karl_w_woh wow
14:21.42karl_w_wso downloading that addon
14:22.10karl_w_wwhat's it called? :P
14:22.28Kraftmanhttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/keybind.aspx
14:22.49Kraftman:)
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14:27.03karl_w_wdoes it bind if you drag a macro straight out of the macro ui onto it?
14:27.11karl_w_wor does the macro have to be on a bar
14:27.40Kraftmani think with macros you have to use the menu (right click on the key)
14:27.47Kraftmani cant remember tbh
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14:30.18karl_w_wi never remember my binds
14:30.31karl_w_wit must be some mental issue I have lol
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14:43.11Ackishttp://mycatisadick.com/
14:43.14AckisCairenn|afk: ^
14:43.18Ackisnicoli_s: ^^
14:43.20FiskerAckis  btw
14:43.23Fiskerget this
14:43.23Fiskerhttps://plus.google.com/103645468886267896368/posts/duZtZWrDvoS
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14:46.27AdysI'm looking for a good parser for gcc's errors/warnings
14:47.09Adysin order to create pretty warning stats for projects
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15:04.20mitchnullheyho
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15:16.51MikkAdys I have a better idea. Instead of using hours on making powerpoints, use them to fix the warnings :D
15:22.10AdysMikk: adys@azura ~/src/_wine-nolibs % ./generate-warning-report| wc -l
15:22.10Adys499872
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15:32.13Mr_Rabiesmannnn i'm getting tired of some addon or addons breaking frames randomly, i wish there was an easier way to pinpoint the culprit :(
15:32.21Synycylanyone online that could help me with getting my LDB Icon to show up?
15:37.47SynycylI currently have this code in place http://pastebin.com/rVMhfvgz .  I get no Lua errors but the MMButton doesn't show up.
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16:00.19Fiskerhey kd3
16:00.21Fiskeri am Fisker
16:00.24Fiskerdun dun dun dun dun
16:00.34karl_w_wdoes unleash elements work with healing rain?
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16:02.27Maldiviakarl_w_w: how would it ?
16:02.32Wobinkarl_w_w: next direct heal
16:02.44Wobinso, unfortunately not, I suspect
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16:02.56karl_w_wah
16:02.56WobinMaldivia: with earthliving weapon
16:03.05MaldiviaWobin: yeah, but that's direct heal :P
16:03.18Fiskerhealing rain is a direct heal
16:03.51WobinWhat's the use of Rockbiter weapon?
16:03.52karl_w_wfiskertrolling
16:04.00karl_w_wits to grief tanks wobin
16:04.06WobinI reckon =\
16:04.19Wobinalthough I can see where a force taunt would be useful in pvp
16:04.33Maldiviasince when has taunt worked in pvp?
16:04.51Wobinnever =(
16:04.53karl_w_won pets i think it does?
16:04.55Wobinbut I was hoping =P
16:05.09karl_w_wuntil the owner sends another command
16:05.10WobinIt's a bizzare wep ench
16:05.28Wobinwho has the time to put rockbiter on, and taunt a mob off the healer, if that's what it could be used for?
16:05.55karl_w_wyeah but the thing is
16:06.21karl_w_wthe only healers that dont have threat reduction are other shammies
16:06.52karl_w_wshammies only have wind shear which is piss weak
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16:07.05Wobindruids?
16:07.21karl_w_wcower :P
16:07.23WobinI guess we could.. uh.. catform and cower =P
16:07.33WobinI think windshear is more effective =P
16:07.44AdysTorhal|work: watched burn notice s5e4?
16:07.54karl_w_wi have never once lost threat by wind shearing lol
16:08.21moopI wonder if anyone can help; I'm trying to parent my addon to a Blizzard frame on player login or UI reload, but it seems to be nil until a few seconds after the UI loads - which event should I be waiting for before checking if the frame exists yet?
16:08.30karl_w_wand druids can go bear as well fi they're that desperate
16:08.31Wobinwindshear is off gcd anyway
16:08.41Wobinkarl_w_w: it hardly helps much =P
16:08.42moopIt's the auction house frame, if that makes any difference
16:08.44karl_w_win practice there's no time using rockbiter is useful
16:08.54WobinAfter some research...
16:09.05Wobinall I can find, is for ele shamans to ranged tank certain bosses
16:09.16karl_w_wyeah
16:09.42karl_w_wbut then they dont have many defensive abilities in the way mages or locks do against spells
16:10.01karl_w_wand hunters and mages are much more effective for kiting
16:10.28karl_w_whttp://www.wowhead.com/spell=57994 <- wind shear is -5 threat? o.O
16:10.35karl_w_wmaybe its 5%
16:10.47karl_w_will have to test that out
16:11.22Wobinhaha -5 =)
16:11.23Maldiviait is, look at feint
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16:12.09karl_w_wfeint is shitty as well lol
16:12.37karl_w_wfeint is a different effect though
16:12.37Maldiviait's good for damage mitigation
16:12.43karl_w_wyeah
16:13.00karl_w_woh no it isnt
16:13.01Maldiviano, feint is also 125, same as cower
16:14.25Wobinhttp://www.wowhead.com/spell=1966
16:14.32Wobinthat's '-5' also
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16:15.47Wobinthe -50% damage from aoe is nice though
16:16.01AftermathhHai der
16:18.58mikmajnwhiteh: http://imgur.com/gallery/09d2m
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16:29.32AftermathhO.o
16:29.38Aftermathhthat's wierd
16:30.55AftermathhAnyone else jumped in to this problem? i'm trying to setshadowoffset on quest font, but it doens't happen anything it seems. http://imageshack.us/g/62/wowscrnshot071711182134.jpg/
16:31.13AftermathhBut it seems its working propperly on every other font that i have in my little addon
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16:45.41Fiskermusic mikma
16:46.01mikmadance fisker
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17:10.06Cidehttp://www.wowhead.com/spell=33206 is 5% but isn't even mentioned
17:13.05jnwhitehanyone here good at physics?
17:13.24karl_w_wI'd like to think so
17:14.06karl_w_wdidnt this chan's topic used to say "don't ask to ask, just ask"?
17:14.13jnwhitehi'm typing
17:14.15karl_w_wor am I thinking of another chan
17:14.16jnwhitehthta was the warmup =)
17:14.38jnwhitehso in writing a minecraft server, I'm trying to take a yaw (in degrees) and a pitch above/below the horizontal (in degrees) and a momentum and computing an initial velocity vector for the object
17:14.39Cidejnwhiteh: depends on what level!
17:14.44jnwhitehI'm wondering if you have any suggestions/pointers
17:15.05Cidemomentum is a vector, unless you mean the magnitude of it
17:15.23jnwhitehits the magnitude, just named 'momentum' in the code =)
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17:16.22jnwhitehThis is the code as it stands ,and its obviously wrong in that the object it sent out on the horizontal, rather than along the pitch
17:16.24jnwhitehhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/440889/
17:16.42jnwhitehI'm also not convinced that the x,z calculation is correct, but I'm trying to figure it out =)
17:17.18Cidesec
17:20.27Cidewhat coordinate system does minecraft use?
17:20.43Cidexy along the ground, z for height?
17:20.52jnwhitehx,z along the ground, y for height
17:21.21Fiskernah jnwhiteh
17:21.26Fiskerit's z,y and x
17:21.41jnwhitehexcept not?
17:21.49karl_w_wfiskertrolling
17:22.48jnwhitehCide: pitch is negative when above the horizonal, and position below
17:23.49karl_w_wso alt+enter in explorer opens properties
17:23.51Cidedo you have pitch as positive or negative for above the horizontal?
17:23.56karl_w_wyou learn something new every day
17:24.01jnwhitehCide: negative above
17:25.04Cideso you should have (x, y, z) = magnitude/mass * (cos(yaw)*sin(pitch), sin(yaw)*sin(pitch), cos(pitch))
17:25.04CideI believe
17:25.17jnwhitehalright
17:25.37jnwhitehI'll give that a shot!
17:25.46Cideyou may need to alter a sign :)
17:25.46jnwhitehin radianland
17:25.48jnwhitehor does it matter?
17:26.00Cidedefinitely radianland
17:26.13Cidethe vector is only a 1-vector in radians
17:26.43Cideso it would be too long or short in degrees most likely
17:27.26Cide(by magnitude above I mean the magnitude of the momentum)
17:27.34jnwhitehk
17:27.50eXemplarwhat's a good multi-column scrollable list library/widget to use?
17:29.09Cidewidget? FauxScrollFrame
17:31.58Cidejnwhiteh: err
17:32.05Cidejnwhiteh: it should be (x, z, y)
17:32.08jnwhitehyeah
17:32.11jnwhitehfigured that much out =)
17:32.34Cidejnwhiteh: it's also possible you'll end up with it going the opposite direction along the ground because conventionally positive angle is above the horizon, if so just negate the x and z :)
17:32.49jnwhitehyeah
17:33.02Fiskerbtw jnwhiteh
17:33.04Fiskerdid you see?
17:33.05Fiskerhttps://plus.google.com/103645468886267896368/posts/duZtZWrDvoS
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18:52.34FiskerNeoTron is a signficant n00b
18:54.36karl_w_wnobody is as significant as you Fisker <3
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18:56.33Fiskeri know
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19:06.17Fiskerdo you have sex with men karl_w_w ?
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19:20.57Thunder_Childdo you Fisker?
19:22.20Fiskerpervert
19:22.34mikmahe does
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19:23.54CairennUmmm, Fisker?  You're pushing it.
19:24.55mikmatempban him
19:24.57mikmafor like, 12 years
19:25.16mikmathat's what it takes from him to grow up into 16 year old girl
19:25.32Cairennmikma: Have you forgotten?  I'm a girl.
19:25.47mikmacairenn: yes, but fisker still needs that time
19:26.29mikmacairenn: it's like, tits or gtfo ;)
19:26.30Maldiviawonders if he fetch popcorn...
19:26.37Cairenn:p
19:26.46mikmaand cause fisker doesn't have any, gtfo!
19:27.39Maldiviadon't underestimate moobs?
19:28.17mikmacairenn: imho he's been pushing it since the day he joined
19:28.53Thunder_Childthe difference is we have been saying "yes, baby more!"
19:38.08karl_w_wFisker: are you offering?
19:41.13Thunder_Childmake sure to use protection karl_w_w, the man gets 'around' if you catch my meaning.
19:42.03Fiskermaybe karl_w_w
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19:57.37Mikkvotes for tempban Fisker... couple years ought to do it
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20:28.14Gnarfozso I extracted the VoIP account data from my locked-down IAD (integrated access device, basically router, pppoe/atm bridge, all in one package)... turns out that, most likely, there is no external SIP registrar server that will take these credentials. :(
20:29.48Mikkwell duh?
20:32.49Gnarfoznot so duh, really... proper SIP services have registry servers that are reachable over the internet for obvious reasons, but since this data belongs to what passes for a landline around here these days, well
20:33.50GnarfozI've not exhausted all options, yet, perhaps the appropriate registry server does have a globally reachable name, too ;)
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20:56.29Maldiviatalk about sleeping with the fishes - http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/dc/d-151355
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21:11.17airtonixFisker: emabdro?
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21:14.36Stanzillaumettbrot?
21:16.16airtonixi think you have a case of the mandelbrots
21:18.13mckenziemci think you have a case of brain damage
21:19.50airtonixman i hate php but open-atrium is nice
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21:37.32Maldiviahmm... I'm starting to question my mental health... was zapping through various TV channels, and one of them was showing Grease, the final few minutes... and I knew all the lyrics (yes, including all the nonsense in we go together)
21:37.52Thunder_Childsame
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21:38.07nevcairieli also question your mental health now.
21:39.27MaldiviaThunder_Child, same as in you know the lyrics, or ? :)
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21:47.32Thunder_ChildMaldivia: yes, lyrics
21:48.10Fiskerhey Thunder_Child
21:49.17Thunder_Childyes?
21:52.10karl_w_wi cant respect a guy who suggests corsair psus across the board
21:52.50Fiskerwhats wrong with corsairs psu's ?
21:53.21karl_w_wgenerally, nothing is wrong with them
21:53.45karl_w_wthat doesn't make them god's gift to computer power
21:55.50karl_w_won a loosely related subject, who remembers which website/forum does that table of good computer hardware in different price brackets?
21:55.54Fiskeri'm not sure if others are better but i prefer them not only because they make good PSU's (whether or not they are just rebrands), they also provide very good support
21:56.04Fiskerhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ !
21:56.45karl_w_wand they publish it in one huge jpeg
21:56.59Fiskeroh
21:57.00airtonixkarl_w_w: they are gods gift to computer power
21:57.01Fiskerthat one sucks
21:57.09Xyphoidare you talking about the video card hierarchy things
21:58.18Thunder_Childkarl_w_w: tom's hardware?
21:59.03Thunder_Childkarl_w_w: eg. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/
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21:59.36karl_w_whttp://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png
21:59.38Fiskerit's noname Thunder_Child
21:59.38Fisker^^
21:59.44karl_w_wnot sure if that's the latest version
22:00.07Thunder_Childjune 27th?
22:00.14karl_w_wah
22:00.17karl_w_wyeah
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22:02.33Krapsamg this is real http://harrypotterspage.com/news.php/2005/02/02/jkr-s-cousin-to-apparate-to-a-tv-near-you123.html
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22:20.37TheLifelessOneYou can embed a frame within another frame by putting between <Frames></Frames>, right?
22:21.30Cideyes
22:21.48TheLifelessOneI wonder why my content isn't showing up then
22:22.07Cideno size, no anchor, no visibility, no opacity?
22:22.17Cidethe first 3 must be specified explicitly
22:22.18TheLifelessOneLemme check
22:23.12TheLifelessOneYep, I forgot size.
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22:31.09Tullernachos
22:31.26airtonixi think not
22:31.40karl_w_wdammit Tuller
22:32.01Tuller?
22:32.04karl_w_wif you're going to mention nachos you better make damn sure you've got some to give me
22:32.08airtonixthis transgression shall cost you dearly
22:33.25Tullersadly, I don't actually like nachos
22:33.41TheLifelessOneI really hate WoW's XML error reports (or lack thereof...)
22:34.52Tulleropen in firefox
22:34.57TheLifelessOnederp
22:37.00TheLifelessOneAH, FINALLY.
22:37.06TheLifelessOneWORKING TABs.
22:37.08TheLifelessOneTHANK YOU.
22:37.18TheLifelessOneI'm so happy right now.
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22:38.17Fiskeri'm playing a game utl
22:38.18FiskerTuller
22:38.35Tuller?
22:38.43Fiskeri'm playing a game
22:38.51Fiskerv
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22:54.48TheLifelessOneUh, stupid question. In XML, how can I apply a solid color to a frame?
23:00.44Krapspaint
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23:12.31Cideyes
23:12.42Cidemake a texture, give it a color
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23:17.24WraithanHaving a hard time searching for this, so I figure I'll ask before I write it. Is there an addon that can give you your current HPS/DPS for a give spell if you were chain casting it, as well as how many seconds until you run OOM if chaincasted?
23:18.26Wraithanpreferabling in a HUD manner, looking for it specifically for healing, but could see it being useful in other cases
23:21.04Fisker27 hours Cide
23:24.06Cideok
23:25.25Fiskeri lulzed btw
23:25.49Fiskersome guy was dissing me for not being able to aim in TF2
23:26.03Fiskera few seconds later i killed him again and got a domination
23:26.04Fiskerhoho
23:26.59Fiskeroh god this is unacceptable
23:35.42nebula169Wraithan: DrDamage puts that kind of info in the tooltip of the spell
23:36.14Wraithanyeah, the tooltips, but that isn't as useful during combat
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23:37.04nebula169ah
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23:54.27Krapshey airtonix http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/demotivational-posters-have-you-ever-been-so-mad.jpg

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