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| 00:29.03 | Stanzilla | wtf a new putty release |
| 00:29.09 | Parnic | srsly? |
| 00:29.12 | Stanzilla | yes lol |
| 00:29.20 | Stanzilla | These features are new in beta 0.61 (released 2011-07-12): |
| 00:29.20 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.28 | Parnic | lol |
| 00:29.28 | Stanzilla | bah, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.html there |
| 00:29.30 | Parnic | "updates for windows 7" |
| 00:30.03 | Parnic | hmm. i hope KiTTY gets to integrating the changes pronto. love me some transparency |
| 00:34.56 | A-KO | time to reboot |
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| 00:37.31 | foxlit | "ITworld LIVE" "4 hours 2 min ago" |
| 00:37.37 | foxlit | very live there, guys |
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| 00:45.41 | mckenziemc1 | waves at Cairenn |
| 00:46.02 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 00:48.51 | Parnic | i read that as Tim Messenger from Hot Fuzz |
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| 00:53.37 | kd3 | oh, sony. does your security fail know no bounds? |
| 00:53.38 | kd3 | https://plus.google.com/107276867598285658079/posts/KcJXYamu12X |
| 00:56.11 | foxlit | kd3: parsing those <font> tags is a death trap! |
| 00:56.19 | kd3 | also, speaking of plus, if anyone needs an invite, I have them available |
| 00:56.44 | kd3 | I know. trying to solve problems with regexes just gives you two problems |
| 00:59.35 | Dagmar | Only if you try to be clever |
| 00:59.58 | Dagmar | Keep them simple and obvious and they'll be fine |
| 01:00.07 | Dagmar | If they start spanning lines, light some incence |
| 01:00.50 | Dagmar | They're kind of a one-way coding operation. Technically they're debuggable, but good fuckin luck |
| 01:02.15 | kd3 | I'm just amused by the test I took today in computer architecture |
| 01:02.19 | Dagmar | Also may god strike you down if they're not preceeded with a comment explaining in plain english WTF they're supposed to do |
| 01:02.54 | Dagmar | For some reason you're not allowed to tell freshmen that tho |
| 01:02.55 | airtonix | FUUUUU |
| 01:03.00 | airtonix | disabling right click |
| 01:03.09 | airtonix | KILL KILL KILL KILL STAB STAB STAB |
| 01:03.11 | kd3 | "write a ~50 line program in ibm assembly using the dos api that reads inputs, adds them together, displays that, takes a third input and subtracts that from the first two" |
| 01:03.33 | Kraps | ponders trolling stuff with Nickleback |
| 01:03.58 | Dagmar | kd3: Sweet crap |
| 01:04.11 | kd3 | we had to do it on paper too. wtf |
| 01:04.38 | Dagmar | I wouldn't even do it in practice without a manual in hand |
| 01:04.48 | kd3 | not that assembly really bothers me... spent too much of high school screwing around with m68k assembly for my ti89 |
| 01:05.17 | Dagmar | Yeah I could probably still easily do 6502 assembly, but there was a reason my manual looked like it had been savaged by ferrets |
| 01:05.45 | Dagmar | Gotta make damn sure that screwey little abbreviation means what you think it does |
| 01:06.27 | mckenziemc | "How else are the unit tests supposed to run? Have you ever tried to write a unit test to test a captcha?" derp |
| 01:06.44 | Dagmar | I thought you just hired those out of china and russia |
| 01:06.57 | Dagmar | Or set up a porn site |
| 01:07.21 | Dagmar | The power of masturbation on the internet is truly staggering |
| 01:08.13 | airtonix | https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/services.contact.bbsccms-services-contact-contactlanding.shtml |
| 01:08.21 | airtonix | pro |
| 01:08.22 | Kraps | http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/12/new-pandora/ |
| 01:08.28 | airtonix | you shouldn't doubt guys |
| 01:08.32 | airtonix | they are pro |
| 01:08.48 | airtonix | only awesome people get o put pro on their url |
| 01:11.53 | kd3 | hahaha: http://i.imgur.com/0Lcex.jpg |
| 01:12.27 | Dagmar | Triple-meme bonus |
| 01:14.31 | Kraps | i only see 2 |
| 01:15.06 | airtonix | umad? |
| 01:15.41 | Kraps | at you |
| 01:15.57 | airtonix | not now honey, i've got a headache |
| 01:16.15 | mckenziemc | you're going to have more than a headache soon |
| 01:17.35 | Kraps | this is neat http://www.pandora.com/music/song/delerium/silence |
| 01:18.03 | Dagmar | It's Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulber is why |
| 01:18.25 | Dagmar | I've even got a RITM remix of it. :) |
| 01:19.01 | Dagmar | Those guys also worked under the name Front 242. |
| 01:19.14 | Dagmar | Guess what happened when they found LSD |
| 01:19.19 | Dagmar | :D |
| 01:20.02 | Kraps | heh |
| 01:20.09 | Dagmar | See also: Intermix |
| 01:20.58 | Dagmar | der wait sorry not Front 242. Full Line Assembly |
| 01:21.11 | Dagmar | ...although it's not like they weren't pretty much doing the exact same things at one point |
| 01:21.55 | Dagmar | FLA finds LSD, branches out into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermix_(band) |
| 01:22.36 | Dagmar | Stops doing LSD, mellows out a bit, still has a pile of gear, branches again into Delerium |
| 01:22.38 | Kraps | "Every like, every listen, every comment. *Itâs a bit like Appleâs Ping, but a Ping people will actually use* because it captures what everyone already does on Pandora â again, mainly listen to music and give âthumbs upâ ratings." hoho sick burn |
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| 01:23.49 | Dagmar | Kraps: Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syn%C3%A6sthesia_(band) |
| 01:23.52 | Dagmar | They were busy guys |
| 01:24.00 | Dagmar | ...and it's pretty much across the board all awesome as hell |
| 01:24.45 | Kraps | Due to contractual entanglements Leeb and Fulber were not originally able to admit they were behind the music. The first two albums list them as producers and credit the music to 'R. Deckard', (an allusion to the main character in the film Blade Runner). |
| 01:25.00 | Kraps | print.random |
| 01:25.26 | Dagmar | Kraps: Just the same if you knew of their work it was like someone trying to hide that Danny Elfman did the soundtrack to something |
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| 01:26.43 | Kraps | i used to be big into ambient but not anymore, still enjoy a track here and there |
| 01:27.11 | Dagmar | I have heaps and piles of it |
| 01:28.17 | Dagmar | It's kind of easy-mode for DJs but I made up for it with very busy hands |
| 01:28.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: have you sold your ps3 yet? |
| 01:28.49 | Kraps | i still have this station i made http://www.pandora.com/stations/6120a47337bb46c0486f8da58b1c0973425ba2910f7abf8b |
| 01:29.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: As of today that's on hold for a bit |
| 01:29.32 | Kraps | can you click trough that? |
| 01:29.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: http://kotaku.com/5820540/is-sony-quietly-removing-a-ps3-feature |
| 01:29.40 | Kraps | though* |
| 01:29.42 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If Sony's going to change their chassis like I heard it'll be important to keep it |
| 01:29.52 | Kraps | through** |
| 01:29.57 | Kraps | dur |
| 01:30.05 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: says a software update will make the change apply to all older models |
| 01:30.15 | Dagmar | Yeah like i'm letting htat thing on the network anymore |
| 01:30.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah my ps3 hasnt had a net connection since the firmware update that removed otheros was announced |
| 01:30.54 | Dagmar | I've got the thing using component outs for a reason |
| 01:31.28 | Arrowmaster | cant games still force a firmware update without a net connection? |
| 01:31.47 | Dagmar | I don't see me using it for that again much either |
| 01:32.00 | Dagmar | They can't force it because they don't bundle the firmware on the disc |
| 01:32.16 | Dagmar | ...but they damn well seem to require you install the latest firmware as of _their_ release before they'll run |
| 01:32.36 | foxlit | easy enough to do |
| 01:32.47 | foxlit | just encrypt the disk with keys available only to the lastest firmware |
| 01:33.08 | Dagmar | ATM it's my least-hassle way of doing bluray |
| 01:33.27 | Dagmar | So I'm not letting them screw with it just in case there's actually something I might care about to do with bluray |
| 01:33.47 | Arrowmaster | future blurays might require an update though |
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| 02:29.17 | Kraps | "The doorbell rang -- and we've always been briefed as spouses if they come to your door what they would be dressed in and how many would be there if there was a casualty." well thats depressing |
| 02:29.34 | kd3 | okay, I know old. but lmfao at "Go the Fuck to Sleep" |
| 02:30.01 | Thunder_Child | it never gets old |
| 02:30.26 | kd3 | excellent reading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgCjPjGS7Ck |
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| 02:30.43 | Thunder_Child | especially when jackson is speaking it |
| 02:31.28 | Thunder_Child | kd3: is see your video and raise you http://www.avclub.com/articles/download-samuel-l-jacksons-audiobook-version-of-go,57503/ |
| 02:31.29 | kd3 | ooh, jackson did a reading of it too? |
| 02:31.32 | kd3 | looks for that |
| 02:31.37 | kd3 | ah |
| 02:33.29 | Arrowmaster | kd3: dont bother, you wont be able to use the audio file |
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| 02:42.48 | kd3 | is amused at how breathless the presenter is introducing SLJ |
| 02:44.56 | Kraps | ralph fiennes: Sometimes kids would come to the set, and I could see them looking at me anxiously. I once walked past the young child of a script supervisor, and he burst into tears. I felt very good about myself. |
| 02:45.01 | Kraps | jerk |
| 02:46.28 | Thunder_Child | i like that guy |
| 02:48.25 | airtonix | kd3: I think Noni used to work on playschool or humphrey-b-bear on australian abc |
| 02:48.35 | airtonix | can't remember |
| 02:49.18 | airtonix | those are two moring tv shows for toddlers |
| 02:49.25 | airtonix | morning* |
| 02:50.16 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.28 | airtonix | being australian, yes |
| 02:50.31 | airtonix | but actually |
| 02:50.31 | Thunder_Child | so, similar to mr. rogers reading it |
| 02:50.36 | Thunder_Child | or big bird |
| 02:50.56 | airtonix | she's actually on channel 10s morning show for consumerist capitalists before they go to work |
| 02:51.08 | airtonix | same kind of show |
| 02:51.14 | airtonix | different age bracket |
| 02:51.52 | Kraps | wat's |
| 02:51.57 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIv9XEINhM&feature=player_embedded |
| 02:52.07 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:52.09 | Wobin | playschool |
| 02:52.14 | Kraps | is this allowed to be a thing? |
| 02:52.19 | Kraps | on the net? |
| 02:52.29 | Wobin | she was a playschool presenter for quite some time |
| 02:52.53 | Wobin | I like her presentation of it better than SLJ's |
| 02:53.01 | Wobin | he couldn't deviate from the script, it being an audiobook |
| 02:53.23 | Wobin | but her emotional breakdown throughout that presentation was 5 star |
| 02:55.51 | mikma | Parry Hotter, lol lol lol |
| 02:56.05 | Wobin | interesting to see how much is CGI and how much mechanical |
| 02:56.39 | Kraps | isnt that some kind of copyrighted shit or whatever? |
| 02:57.08 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 02:57.33 | airtonix | ~whaleparry mikma |
| 02:57.33 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry mikma's attacks. |
| 02:58.12 | mikma | airtonix: y u so parry? |
| 02:58.29 | airtonix | i'm not ur hotter bro |
| 02:58.41 | airtonix | oh dear |
| 02:58.57 | mikma | who said anything about hotter, you are just parry |
| 02:59.01 | airtonix | delete delete |
| 02:59.28 | Kraps | wow, acting is really awkward |
| 02:59.40 | airtonix | Kraps: having second thoughts ? |
| 02:59.55 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:01.35 | Kraps | CGI memory liquid, neat |
| 03:01.51 | Trela | Kraps: It is aaaaalllllll greeeeeeen. |
| 03:01.54 | Thunder_Child | i got a sudden craving for a fruit cup |
| 03:02.07 | airtonix | self serve |
| 03:03.52 | Wobin | Kraps: yeah, I reckon actors nowadays have a lot less to work with |
| 03:04.15 | Wobin | "Just pretend this ball on a stick is a giant dinosaur..." |
| 03:05.15 | Trela | It certainly shows an actor can be good if they can react to a ball of a stick like it was a dinosaur. |
| 03:05.20 | Trela | While make it believable. |
| 03:05.45 | Wobin | well, they don't have to worry about laughing at the man in the dinosaur suit at least =) |
| 03:05.48 | Kraps | or this huge gearthingy you're sitting on is a dragon |
| 03:08.23 | Kraps | i'm still curious why this stuff is allowed to be broadcast |
| 03:09.26 | Trela | Go to 16:32. Sounds like they hooked up a 120v treadmill to 240v and dropped the actors on. XD |
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| 03:14.27 | Trela | Some of the scenes of extras flailing wands around is not as hilarious as watching LARPers. |
| 03:15.11 | Trela | 30:08 LOL - Random green dude. |
| 03:16.42 | Kraps | cleavage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIv9XEINhM&feature=player_detailpage#t=1297s |
| 03:17.36 | Trela | Oh my. |
| 03:24.08 | Kraps | the massive hate for negative reviews on rotten tomatoes has already started |
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| 03:44.16 | nebula169 | there are negative reviews? |
| 03:44.53 | Kraps | 2 so far |
| 03:46.21 | Kraps | from the same website, which is weird |
| 03:46.43 | A-KO | lol Kraps |
| 03:46.58 | A-KO | Kraps: the armchair movie makers are out, full force, eh? |
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| 03:57.12 | Kraps | neat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn87N5I2J2I&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s |
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| 04:17.28 | airtonix | http://xkcd.com/806/ |
| 04:17.32 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 04:25.50 | Cide | anyone got an idea why vim refuses to display the visual line highlight with line numbers shown? |
| 04:26.15 | mckenziemc | bc you broke it |
| 04:26.47 | Cide | useless people can be quiet |
| 04:27.37 | Shirik | works fine for me Cide |
| 04:27.48 | Cide | this is via ssh so maybe that affects it |
| 04:27.51 | Kraps | airtonix: did you see the alt text |
| 04:27.58 | Shirik | works fine for me Cide |
| 04:28.02 | Cide | :( |
| 04:28.15 | mckenziemc | usefulness is subjective |
| 04:28.24 | airtonix | Cide: because vim is crap |
| 04:28.30 | Cide | see above |
| 04:28.44 | airtonix | see aboce |
| 04:28.52 | airtonix | whatever |
| 04:28.56 | Cide | take it from here Shirik |
| 04:29.20 | Shirik | I would kick him |
| 04:29.22 | Shirik | but I'm too tired |
| 04:29.28 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.31 | Cide | copy-paste |
| 04:29.41 | airtonix | :l |
| 04:37.11 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7yU1nnvrCy8 |
| 04:42.49 | Wobin | Kraps: I'd watch that |
| 04:44.31 | Olison | yes, yes, oh yes |
| 04:44.59 | Shirik | Cide: Are you really having trouble with highlighting? |
| 04:45.05 | Cide | yes |
| 04:45.07 | Shirik | I can't even think of a reason it wouldn't work |
| 04:45.16 | Cide | it works fine if I :set nonumber |
| 04:45.18 | Shirik | it works if you have no line numbers? |
| 04:45.21 | Shirik | that is bizarre |
| 04:45.32 | Cide | Shirik: pm |
| 04:45.40 | Arrowmaster | Benedict Cumberbatch > Robert Downey Jr |
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| 04:54.51 | Arrowmaster | http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/07/movie-or-manga-what-is-being-adapted-for-spike-lees-oldboy.php |
| 04:54.55 | Arrowmaster | still going to be a failure |
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| 04:56.21 | nebula169 | american's love a good tale of incest |
| 04:57.20 | Thunder_Child | but they like doing it even more |
| 04:57.37 | Arrowmaster | if they try to recreate the hammer in the hallway scene they will fail, if they try to leave it out they will fail, and because its hollywood they are going to tone down the incest and probably not outright have it be a part but only alluded to |
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| 05:03.32 | Xzempt | Does anyone know what menu is called when you right click a name in chat in game |
| 05:04.08 | mckenziemc | i don't, but based on what you asked before, SetItemRef may be worth checking out |
| 05:04.16 | mckenziemc | not sure what exactly you want to do though |
| 05:04.46 | Xzempt | well, i just want to add a few things to the right click menu that pops up when you right click a name in chat |
| 05:07.12 | Xzempt | i thought maybe UnitPopupMenus, but now im thinking thats only for targets? |
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| 05:09.12 | mckenziemc | SetItemRef in ItemRef.lua calls FriendsFrame_ShowDropdown on line 66 |
| 05:09.12 | mckenziemc | that might lead you to what you need |
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| 05:10.24 | Xzempt | hmm |
| 05:10.27 | Xzempt | thanks ill check it out |
| 05:10.44 | kd3 | sanity! |
| 05:10.47 | kd3 | "The Republican effort to repeal light bulb energy efficiency standards -- which saves consumers $12 billion a year and reduces electricity usage -- has failed by a vote of 233 to 193" |
| 05:11.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:11.54 | Shirik | what? |
| 05:12.02 | Shirik | why is that even an option |
| 05:12.14 | kd3 | because the republicans are looking for distractions? |
| 05:12.15 | mckenziemc | what |
| 05:12.18 | Shirik | and why were there 193 in favor |
| 05:13.06 | Arrowmaster | imho that was a stupid law, there are legit uses for old style bulbs that can not be created anymore |
| 05:14.03 | kd3 | http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll563.xml |
| 05:14.34 | Arrowmaster | ive still got some lava lamps and if i ever want to use them again i cant get bulbs for them |
| 05:14.38 | kd3 | the bill in question: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.02417: |
| 05:16.58 | Shirik | giffords didn't vote on it |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | pathetic |
| 05:19.09 | kd3 | in other news; lol: http://i.imgur.com/7MBuD.gif |
| 05:25.55 | Wobin | I can't stop listening to this smooth jazz nyancat |
| 05:26.23 | Shirik | see now why you going to say something like that and make me look it up and get hooked |
| 05:27.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: use google+, its been in my feed at least 3 times |
| 05:27.14 | Shirik | again, why is google+ something I should actually use |
| 05:27.24 | kd3 | because it's not facebook? |
| 05:27.27 | Wobin | http://endlessvideo.com/watch?v=AaEmCFiNqP0 |
| 05:27.34 | Thunder_Child | there is no reason to use it |
| 05:27.34 | Shirik | I never used facebook either, for the same reason |
| 05:27.37 | Shirik | beause there is no reason to use it |
| 05:27.42 | Thunder_Child | people existed just fine with out it |
| 05:28.06 | Wobin | that's a stupid justification |
| 05:28.07 | mckenziemc | people existed just fine without electricity |
| 05:28.18 | Wobin | people existed just fine without a lot of stuff |
| 05:28.25 | Arrowmaster | people existed just fine without fire |
| 05:28.26 | Wobin | doesn't mean -anything- |
| 05:28.38 | Wobin | "And, so?" |
| 05:29.15 | Wobin | has anyone said that without G+, you will die? |
| 05:29.39 | kd3 | a few people in my non-wow circles seem to think so |
| 05:29.54 | Wobin | They possibly need to reevaulate their life requirements |
| 05:30.08 | kd3 | I've told them that on more than one occasion |
| 05:30.09 | Wobin | but I suspect they are being facetious =P |
| 05:31.00 | Arrowmaster | i think im going to goto bed |
| 05:31.25 | kd3 | this just in: beds considered harmful |
| 05:31.33 | Arrowmaster | notes that without class 3 restricted stimulants he seems to goto bed earlier each night instead of later |
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| 05:43.45 | airtonix | kd3: you shouldn't smoke beds |
| 05:44.11 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 05:45.14 | Thunder_Child | but it's ok to smoke weasels |
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| 05:51.56 | airtonix | Wobin: "revaula...wahhhh!??" lawl |
| 05:52.13 | airtonix | hi, this is your wow intervention... |
| 05:56.08 | Wobin | airtonix: eh? |
| 05:56.44 | Shirik | good morning Wobin |
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| 05:57.54 | Wobin | good morning Shirik! |
| 05:58.17 | Shirik | I've a feeling that it's going to be a wonderful day |
| 05:58.19 | Wobin | (is it really morning for you?) |
| 05:58.22 | Shirik | no |
| 05:58.26 | Wobin | nor for me |
| 05:58.34 | Shirik | but the sun in the sky has a smile on his face |
| 05:59.01 | airtonix | smoke less beds |
| 05:59.28 | Shirik | airtonix, did you know he's smiling a salute to the american race? |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik | why the hell is there a tekken movie |
| 06:00.43 | Shirik | I have officially lost all confidence in movie makers |
| 06:00.58 | Thunder_Child | define 'movie maker'? |
| 06:01.09 | mckenziemc | smoke fewer* beds |
| 06:01.17 | Wobin | Shirik: isn't it a uwe bolle movie? |
| 06:01.25 | Shirik | I don't know and I don't care |
| 06:01.28 | Shirik | I just want something original |
| 06:01.30 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:01.47 | Wobin | good luck |
| 06:01.50 | airtonix | transformers 3 is original |
| 06:01.55 | Wobin | everything is a sequel or a remake now |
| 06:01.57 | Shirik | Inception was great |
| 06:02.03 | Shirik | it used to be always like that |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | butno |
| 06:02.38 | Shirik | now it's like "oh 5 years have passed since inception. Let's spend $5 trillion on a new idea so we still get people to go see all our other movies" |
| 06:02.47 | airtonix | primer is awesome |
| 06:03.03 | Kraps | I have over 386 days played on 12 level 80+ characters on WoW. Thatâs over 5% of my entire life. |
| 06:03.04 | Kraps | -Anonymous |
| 06:05.34 | mckenziemc | i wish i could say his stats were worse than mine |
| 06:05.36 | mckenziemc | : / |
| 06:05.45 | mckenziemc | worse as in too much time |
| 06:06.58 | Kraps | When I was a kid, I had caught âem all in Pokemon Blue. I even went to a big event at the mall where you could get Mew added to your game. My parents drove me 2 hours to get it. When we got home my brother saved over my file on purpose. To this day I still resent him and we never talk. |
| 06:06.59 | Kraps | -Moheeb |
| 06:07.16 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 06:08.43 | Shirik | ~wiki Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 06:08.57 | airtonix | interesting |
| 06:08.58 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 06:09.25 | mckenziemc | it was last modified in the future :O |
| 06:09.51 | airtonix | pokes mckenziemc in the eyes |
| 06:10.07 | mckenziemc | pulls airtonix about 19 hours into the past |
| 06:13.44 | Shirik | what do you mean it was modified in the future? |
| 06:14.31 | mckenziemc | it doesn't specify timezone and it said july 13, 6 something iirc |
| 06:14.46 | mckenziemc | it's 11:14 on the 12th here in california |
| 06:15.13 | mckenziemc | 6 am*, 11:14 pm* |
| 06:15.45 | mckenziemc | utc obv |
| 06:15.46 | Shirik | if you're not logged on it's GMT |
| 06:15.54 | mckenziemc | err |
| 06:16.03 | Wobin | pft, it's totally 4:17pm on the 13th |
| 06:17.01 | mckenziemc | i hate that when sites don't include the timezone by default in times : / |
| 06:19.38 | Shirik | passion of the christ 2 |
| 06:19.42 | Shirik | "crucify this" |
| 06:19.47 | Shirik | see THAT would be a good movie |
| 06:20.29 | mckenziemc | Network Activity: firefox.exe -> strangecompany.org |
| 06:20.34 | mckenziemc | D: |
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| 06:24.40 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:24.42 | airtonix | .exe |
| 06:24.45 | airtonix | lawl |
| 06:25.12 | mckenziemc | wow doesn't run well in wine on this computer :) |
| 06:25.24 | airtonix | sucks to be you |
| 06:25.28 | mckenziemc | indeed |
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| 06:43.38 | airtonix | i just noticed soundwave in transformers 3 doesn't transform into a beatbox like he is supposed to |
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| 06:56.40 | Wobin | airtonix: whut? =( |
| 06:56.46 | Wobin | he was one of the coolest transformers |
| 06:57.50 | airtonix | yeah in transformers3 it's hard to tell if all these forms are his cassettes or himself |
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| 06:58.45 | airtonix | at one point he steps out of this monumental Dune like worm |
| 07:00.09 | airtonix | but also, concept drawings for him show car windows and headlights on his humanoid form |
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| 07:02.12 | airtonix | he's pretty much the coolest transformer in tha latest movie |
| 07:02.58 | airtonix | maybe thats what they were aiming for when they so heretically defied canon |
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| 07:19.36 | mckenziemc1 | does Judgement count as a spell or melee ability for its chance to miss |
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| 07:33.21 | Xzempt | http://i53.tinypic.com/9ur7za.jpg <- whats wrong there? |
| 07:33.23 | Xzempt | lol |
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| 07:48.42 | airtonix | regarding- git add ./something -p where do i get a explanation of what all the initials in "Stage this hunk [y,n,q,a,d,/,e,?]? " mean ? |
| 07:50.50 | mckenziemc1 | ~man airtonix |
| 07:50.50 | purl | No manual entry for airtonix |
| 07:50.58 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 07:51.06 | airtonix | obviously y = yes, n = no, but the rest? |
| 07:51.20 | karl_w_w | quitely |
| 07:51.32 | mckenziemc1 | qq, assault, destroy, slash to bits, evade |
| 07:51.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 07:51.58 | airtonix | jerk |
| 07:52.23 | karl_w_w | jersk? |
| 07:52.54 | airtonix | assist me Torhal |
| 07:53.11 | airtonix | deposits cookies in Torhals bank account |
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| 07:54.42 | Torhal | sprays napalm on mckenziemc1's big toes. |
| 07:54.50 | Torhal | hands airtonix a Zippo. |
| 07:55.05 | airtonix | i'm not sure how to use it |
| 07:55.43 | mckenziemc1 | "slash to bits" woops |
| 07:56.02 | mckenziemc1 | thinking too fast : / |
| 07:56.28 | Xzempt | any reason why info.justifyH = "LEFT" won't move the text in this tooltip to the left? |
| 07:57.00 | airtonix | because it affects the frame i think |
| 07:57.03 | airtonix | not the text |
| 07:57.33 | Xzempt | what affects the text then lol |
| 07:57.38 | airtonix | your face ? |
| 07:57.49 | Xzempt | =( |
| 07:57.53 | airtonix | there you go |
| 07:58.09 | airtonix | did you anchor it too ? |
| 07:58.29 | airtonix | maybe it's not wide enough |
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| 07:59.14 | Xzempt | not sure what you mean for anchoring it, i just hooked the player menu and added an option to it, but the text it shows is centered, while the rest is left justified |
| 07:59.24 | Xzempt | http://i53.tinypic.com/9ur7za.jpg <-- see |
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| 08:06.23 | mckenziemc1 | i don't have experience with tooltip coding myself, but perhaps if you linked to pastebin showing your code, someone could help |
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| 08:16.14 | mckenziemc1 | waves goodbye to Cairenn |
| 08:17.04 | Xzempt | jnwhiteh fixed me up, i wasnt defining info.notCheckable = 1 |
| 08:17.15 | Xzempt | so it was leaving room for the checkmark |
| 08:17.16 | Xzempt | lol |
| 08:17.19 | mckenziemc1 | ah |
| 08:19.35 | jnwhiteh | you have likely, however, tainted the dropdown now =) |
| 08:19.40 | jnwhiteh | but who knows :P |
| 08:19.43 | jnwhiteh | i'm off |
| 08:20.01 | Xzempt | lol |
| 08:20.57 | Xzempt | Thanks again jnwhiteh |
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| 08:26.41 | mckenziemc1 | when the glyph frame gets tainted, is there a command i can type to apply a glyph without having to reload ui and hope the taint doesn't come back? |
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| 08:49.44 | harl | hey |
| 08:50.05 | bleeter | hey |
| 08:50.22 | karl_w_w | yes mckenziemc1, rm -r Interface\ |
| 08:51.05 | bleeter | rm -fr /usr |
| 08:51.57 | bleeter | rm -fr Fisker |
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| 09:05.54 | mckenziemc1 | karl_w_w: but that requires a ui reload! |
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| 09:23.14 | jnwhiteh | hrm, I wonder if I left my IRC client at home open. |
| 09:23.16 | jnwhiteh | it seems like that's very likely =/ |
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| 09:28.45 | Kalroth | two jnwhitehs one irc channel? |
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| 09:31.13 | Wobin | double jnwhiteh |
| 09:31.15 | Wobin | so intense |
| 09:32.18 | airtonix | double the technicolour dreamcoat |
| 09:32.21 | airtonix | anyway |
| 09:32.48 | airtonix | falling skies is pretty average... fairly indicative of Steven Spielberg |
| 09:35.03 | airtonix | its alot like that larry niven & jerry pournelle book called footfall |
| 09:35.09 | airtonix | but the book is much better |
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| 09:36.43 | Kalroth | falling skies reminded me a lot of that zombie series |
| 09:36.48 | Kalroth | reminds* |
| 09:37.25 | Kalroth | create empty and isolated world, put a bunch of people in a random building, add zombies or aliens to the daily issues |
| 09:37.29 | Kalroth | repeat until cancelled |
| 09:37.49 | airtonix | V ? |
| 09:37.58 | airtonix | hoho |
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| 09:38.18 | Kalroth | V wasnt in a "post-nuclear" world |
| 09:38.44 | Kalroth | regardless, falling skies is better than alphas for sure |
| 09:38.50 | airtonix | well i missed that requirement of yours |
| 09:38.56 | airtonix | is it? |
| 09:39.00 | Kalroth | "create empty and isolated world" |
| 09:39.07 | Kalroth | it was the first requirement :P |
| 09:39.09 | airtonix | steel cube? |
| 09:39.21 | Kalroth | ice's brother? |
| 09:39.29 | airtonix | hide yo sef |
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| 09:44.25 | airtonix | imagine this thing launching into orbit |
| 09:44.30 | airtonix | http://www.up-ship.com/apr/michael.htm |
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| 09:45.18 | mckenziemc | imagine launching airtonix into orbit |
| 09:46.05 | TMc51 | Or better yet, launching fisker into orbit. |
| 09:46.50 | mckenziemc | launch Fisker into orbit, then launch airtonix into orbit around Fisker |
| 09:47.45 | airtonix | i don't think you could organise enough fissionable material to produce a sufficient amount of thrust that would get fisker into orbit |
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| 09:48.44 | foxlit | jewelcrafting daily quests are weird. |
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| 10:06.07 | karl_w_w | airtonix: fissile, scrub |
| 10:06.33 | airtonix | noob |
| 10:06.55 | karl_w_w | herpes! |
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| 11:25.12 | Xzempt | am i suppose to hook something else to display a submenu from a already hooked player menu |
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| 11:59.48 | airtonix | omfg |
| 11:59.51 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va1-JK3pu2o |
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| 12:14.02 | foxlit | /castsequence is such a cheater. |
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| 12:23.54 | Fisker- | so jnwhiteh |
| 12:23.56 | Fisker- | SO JNWHITEH? |
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| 12:24.29 | Fisker- | hey kd3 |
| 12:24.40 | airtonix | just ignore him |
| 12:29.01 | Fisker- | hey airtonix |
| 12:29.02 | Fisker- | umad? |
| 12:29.04 | Fisker- | UMAD?! |
| 12:29.14 | airtonix | imglad |
| 12:29.36 | Fisker- | umad |
| 12:30.50 | Fisker- | yusomad airtonix ? |
| 12:31.03 | airtonix | mispent youth |
| 12:41.22 | GhostfromTexas | wee Linkepedia is submitted to WoWInterface now |
| 12:41.35 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/jmH46.jpg if Fiske was a dog |
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| 13:12.06 | luc2 | hello |
| 13:12.52 | luc2 | is there a library which would allow to display a table with sortable columns ? |
| 13:13.20 | AcidWeb | http://www.wowace.com/addons/lib-st/ |
| 13:13.24 | airtonix | no |
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| 13:15.12 | luc2 | thanks very much |
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| 13:29.28 | Kraps | http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8247399 /sigh |
| 13:31.25 | airtonix | a gold car? |
| 13:31.38 | airtonix | what is this? a james bond nemsis? |
| 13:31.43 | airtonix | nemisis |
| 13:32.20 | airtonix | it's always the ultra wealthy that do the most disgusting of things |
| 13:32.24 | Kraps | d'you suppose the guy has an evil laugh? |
| 13:32.44 | airtonix | no evil laughs are to theatrical |
| 13:32.56 | airtonix | this guys probably just has a condecending smirk |
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| 13:37.28 | airtonix | you'd think the easiest way to perform a pixelated filter on an image would be to shrink it then enlarge it right? |
| 13:37.44 | Kalroth | no |
| 13:38.11 | airtonix | if i didn't have a image.filter("pixelate", 10,10) |
| 13:39.48 | airtonix | so Kalroth, explain your heresy |
| 13:40.28 | Kalroth | well im an atheist |
| 13:41.02 | airtonix | which means you don't think there are gods |
| 13:41.06 | Xinhuan | because "enlarging" an image doesn't necessarily just blow it up pixel by pixel - most programs do it by using bilinear or trilinear filtering |
| 13:41.17 | airtonix | ah yes well |
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| 13:41.26 | airtonix | maybe i turn off bi-linear |
| 13:42.03 | Kalroth | select block of 10x10 pixels, find most dominating color, paint all 10x10 pixels in dominating color, repeat until out of pixels |
| 13:42.17 | Xinhuan | that's how MS Paint does it |
| 13:42.25 | Xinhuan | and its about the only program that does it that way |
| 13:42.44 | Kalroth | ms paint can pixelate? |
| 13:42.50 | airtonix | wtf |
| 13:42.58 | airtonix | shrink image |
| 13:43.01 | Xinhuan | it doesn't actually have an option not to |
| 13:43.05 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 13:43.56 | Kalroth | use html5 airtonix http://www.codediesel.com/tech/pixelation-of-images-using-html5-canvas/ |
| 13:44.13 | Xinhuan | i'm sure you can find ways of doing it in photoshop - just google for it |
| 13:44.42 | Xinhuan | video editing software can do it on faces of criminals or those below 16 |
| 13:44.44 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 13:44.45 | Kalroth | http://www.codediesel.com/demos/pixel/ hot |
| 13:44.48 | airtonix | Kalroth: this needs to happen server side in python |
| 13:44.59 | Kalroth | python smython |
| 13:45.10 | Kalroth | use imagick or something |
| 13:45.23 | airtonix | imagemagick is for php |
| 13:45.53 | airtonix | and i've already done what i need in php, but i want it in python too |
| 13:45.59 | Kalroth | http://www.imagemagick.org/download/python/ |
| 13:46.43 | Kalroth | or http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/pythonmagickwand |
| 13:47.05 | Kalroth | or http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ |
| 13:47.15 | Kalroth | google iz hard |
| 13:47.24 | Kalroth | whoa |
| 13:47.28 | Kalroth | new putty version |
| 13:47.50 | airtonix | umad |
| 13:48.12 | airtonix | get a real terminal |
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| 13:58.40 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5820717/middle+aged-man-arrested-over-plastic-schoolgirl-stupidity-ensues |
| 14:00.04 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5820705/starcraft-ii-brings-its-players-closer-together |
| 14:02.48 | Kraps | racism ensues |
| 14:02.58 | airtonix | i don't even |
| 14:03.26 | Ackis | my work made teh news! |
| 14:04.32 | Ackis | http://www.edmontonjournal.com/health/Four+suspected+fraudulent+billings/5093802/story.html |
| 14:06.18 | airtonix | stalk mode |
| 14:06.21 | Kraps | buch of jerks at your work Ackis |
| 14:06.40 | Fisker- | hey Ackis |
| 14:07.13 | Ackis | no Fisker- |
| 14:07.26 | Fisker- | oh ok Ackis |
| 14:07.42 | Fisker- | i hate you Ackis |
| 14:08.11 | airtonix | lolumadbro |
| 14:08.15 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:08.17 | Fisker- | umadbro |
| 14:09.04 | Ackis | I only talk to Fisker not to Fisker- |
| 14:09.14 | Fisker- | oh ok |
| 14:09.18 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 14:09.40 | Fisker | dick |
| 14:09.43 | Ackis | oh hello Fisker |
| 14:09.44 | Ackis | how are you? |
| 14:09.49 | Fisker | i'm fine |
| 14:09.50 | Fisker | you? |
| 14:10.20 | Ackis | doing well, thank you for asking |
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| 14:12.40 | Kalroth | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/13/1317252/Zuckerberg-Quits-Google-Over-Privacy-Concerns wat |
| 14:13.40 | airtonix | do you think he's mad? |
| 14:13.45 | Kalroth | Steve Ballmer says he doesn't want to a buy an iPhone over proprietary software concerns. |
| 14:13.51 | Kraps | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/io2u9/dearest_pirates_of_reddit/c25askj i dont get it |
| 14:13.51 | Kalroth | Fox News is banning MSNBC from their studios over 'bias'. |
| 14:13.55 | airtonix | Kalroth: LAWL |
| 14:14.23 | Kalroth | Kraps: what dont you get |
| 14:16.29 | Kraps | is pirating stealing? |
| 14:16.48 | airtonix | well |
| 14:16.53 | airtonix | stealing implies removal |
| 14:18.40 | Fisker | s/implies/means/ |
| 14:19.37 | Xinhuan | pirating is not stealing |
| 14:19.40 | Xinhuan | pirating is pirating |
| 14:20.23 | airtonix | i thought it was the use of sailing ships, parrots and eye patches |
| 14:20.46 | airtonix | leg pegs and heavy alcohol usage |
| 14:21.14 | airtonix | thorough does of sun, bandannas, being marooned on islands |
| 14:21.19 | airtonix | dose? |
| 14:21.44 | Xinhuan | in that context, pirating is stealing! |
| 14:22.07 | airtonix | removal of propoerty without permission |
| 14:22.31 | Kraps | so heres this: pirating doesnt remove the product, it removes money that would have gone to the people who created the thing |
| 14:22.39 | Kraps | so, stealing |
| 14:22.43 | Xinhuan | pirating - "One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation" |
| 14:22.46 | airtonix | just ignore my spelling and imagine i'm an awesome property lawyer |
| 14:23.07 | Xinhuan | Kraps, that isn't stealing - that just removes potential profit |
| 14:23.14 | Xinhuan | since the profit was never made, it can't be stolen |
| 14:23.15 | airtonix | Kraps: you can't remove something that wasn't there in the first place |
| 14:23.45 | Ackis | the ctrl-alt-delete comments about the star wars beta is funny |
| 14:24.05 | gsnerf | well by definition it still is stealing, as you remove a copy of the product ;) |
| 14:24.19 | Xinhuan | you don't remove a copy - you instead make a copy |
| 14:24.20 | gsnerf | not that it would matter in the digital world we're in ^^ |
| 14:24.26 | Fisker | what star wars beta? |
| 14:24.33 | Kraps | you are preventing profit of the value of the item from reaching the creators, which they would have gotten had you bought it? |
| 14:24.34 | gsnerf | old republic |
| 14:24.50 | gsnerf | thats just different points of views vor the same thing kraps |
| 14:25.03 | gsnerf | it doesn't change the outcome |
| 14:25.06 | Xinhuan | that's the wrong view Kraps |
| 14:25.09 | airtonix | Kraps: but what if you never had the money, intention or ability to make the purchase ? |
| 14:25.16 | Xinhuan | because many people who pirate a product had no intention of paying in the first place |
| 14:25.25 | Xinhuan | so there never was any profit to be made in the first place |
| 14:25.31 | airtonix | so no lost sale |
| 14:25.47 | airtonix | the world is still spinning |
| 14:26.04 | Xinhuan | simply put - piracy is not stealing - piracy is exactly what it is: piracy |
| 14:26.17 | Fisker | stealing = loss |
| 14:26.21 | Fisker | "piracy" = no loss |
| 14:26.34 | Xinhuan | piracy can also have the complete opposite effect |
| 14:26.49 | Xinhuan | if your a pirate likes the product a lot, he tells a few friends about it, some of them buy it |
| 14:27.05 | airtonix | when are you submitting your thesis? |
| 14:27.30 | Xinhuan | piracy can also act as indirect advertising |
| 14:28.06 | nicoli_s | fisker:what star wars are you talking about? |
| 14:28.16 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 14:28.20 | Kraps | [10:25:28]Xinhuanso there never was any profit to be made in the first place <---- that reasoning only applies to so-called altruistic pirates, which i'm betting is a tiny minority of actual pirates |
| 14:28.56 | gsnerf | that one: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110706 |
| 14:29.02 | Xinhuan | well, there ARE people that are like "I'm not buying dragon age 2 ever - i'll only play it if i pirate it" |
| 14:29.17 | nicoli_s | id love to get in SWTOR |
| 14:29.24 | nicoli_s | damn media blockout :( |
| 14:29.31 | Kalroth | pirating isnt stealing, it's breaking copyright |
| 14:29.37 | Xinhuan | ^ that |
| 14:29.46 | Xinhuan | piracy breaks copyrights |
| 14:29.56 | Fisker | i wouldn't love to get into swtor |
| 14:30.05 | Xinhuan | in any case, sometimes people also pirate because the game/product isn't sold in their country |
| 14:30.15 | Kalroth | to steal something implies removal |
| 14:30.27 | airtonix | umad |
| 14:30.33 | nicoli_s | Fisker:why not, ive heard good things |
| 14:30.38 | airtonix | i haven't |
| 14:30.41 | Kalroth | there are a lot of reasons to pirate, more or less morally viable :) |
| 14:30.59 | airtonix | i'm not a pirate |
| 14:31.08 | airtonix | thats why i stopped using windows |
| 14:31.13 | Kalroth | yarr |
| 14:31.17 | airtonix | :> |
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| 14:31.26 | Xinhuan | that implies you have used a pirated windows in the past |
| 14:31.32 | Xinhuan | once a pirate, always a pirate! |
| 14:31.39 | Xinhuan | until you have paid for it |
| 14:31.47 | airtonix | we'll i can't vouch for the origin of the OS on second hand computers i bought |
| 14:31.50 | Kraps | in the majority of cases pirating clearly lessens revenue |
| 14:32.26 | Xinhuan | nobody can prove whether piracy actually increases revenue |
| 14:32.37 | airtonix | and in all cases use of opensource software always reduces revenue for the replaced |
| 14:32.42 | Kalroth | Kraps: did you know that second hand sale hurts the industry more than piracy? |
| 14:32.52 | Xinhuan | what kalroth said |
| 14:32.58 | Kalroth | I guess second hand sale is immoral too |
| 14:33.03 | Kalroth | since it lesses revenue |
| 14:33.05 | Xinhuan | there's lots of second hand bargain bins for old games |
| 14:33.06 | Kalroth | lessens* |
| 14:33.14 | nicoli_s | anything that hurts any major media industry is clearly bad |
| 14:33.24 | Kalroth | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/19734/fable_3_dev_used_game_sales_hurt_industry_more_than_piracy_say_what/index.html |
| 14:33.25 | Fisker | i agree with second hand sales actually |
| 14:33.34 | Fisker | well i wouldn't mind it happen person to person |
| 14:33.44 | airtonix | it's alot like brave new world : Don't repair, throw it out, buy it new. |
| 14:34.18 | Kalroth | Thats why most publishers attaches the game to various accounts |
| 14:34.30 | Kalroth | PSN, Steam, GFWL, etc. |
| 14:34.57 | Kalroth | hell, I think Nintendo is even looking into hardcoding a max number of replays on their NDS games |
| 14:35.12 | karl_w_w | pretty sure the second hand game scene has been around a lot longer than widespread piracy |
| 14:35.15 | Fisker | max number of replays = retarded |
| 14:35.16 | Xinhuan | i haven't actually seen any effective forms of DRM |
| 14:35.19 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: wat |
| 14:35.27 | karl_w_w | yet somehow it's only becoming an issue now |
| 14:35.37 | Kalroth | im pretty sure piracy and second hand sale was born on the same day :) |
| 14:35.45 | airtonix | wut |
| 14:35.49 | airtonix | WUT |
| 14:35.55 | Xinhuan | the only "effective DRM" is to make your game only multiplayer-and-online-based |
| 14:35.59 | airtonix | i say old chap, WHAT! |
| 14:36.17 | airtonix | Xinhuan: yeah that worked out well for blizzard right |
| 14:36.18 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: and even then people will just emulate your shit |
| 14:36.20 | airtonix | lulz |
| 14:36.49 | Kalroth | the only effective DRM is OnLive (and similar services) |
| 14:36.53 | Kalroth | You get the picture, nothing else |
| 14:36.56 | Xinhuan | you could say Steam is very effective DRM, but honestly, there isn't any steam game that hasn't been also piratable and playable without Steam |
| 14:37.19 | Kalroth | Steam is very effective because its DRM works without being super invasive |
| 14:37.33 | Kalroth | and Steam actually provides games without a ton of hassle |
| 14:37.48 | Xinhuan | its not effective in the sense that any game you can buy on steam, you can also torrent a pirated version |
| 14:37.54 | Kalroth | Personally I buy everything (I can) on Steam because it is easier than pirating |
| 14:38.08 | karl_w_w | steam being successful has very little to do with drm and a lot to do with how easy it is to buy a game |
| 14:38.22 | Kalroth | most games* |
| 14:38.27 | Kraps | and cheap |
| 14:38.29 | Kalroth | EA is getting pissy at Steam :) |
| 14:38.36 | Kalroth | but DRM matters a lot too |
| 14:38.41 | Kalroth | I avoid DRM ridden games on Steam |
| 14:38.44 | Kalroth | like Fable 3 |
| 14:38.50 | Kalroth | POS game! |
| 14:38.52 | Adys_ | Dagmar: ping |
| 14:39.06 | Arrowmaster | i avoid PC games |
| 14:39.14 | Arrowmaster | solves the DRM problem |
| 14:39.18 | Adys | comodo was crap; it slowed down my friend's pc to a crawl |
| 14:39.24 | Kalroth | heh, the console is one big DRM |
| 14:39.28 | Adys | any light antivirus someone can recommend? |
| 14:39.41 | Kalroth | also console owners, get out - you're making our games look like they were made in 2001 |
| 14:39.43 | karl_w_w | damn |
| 14:39.47 | Kraps | i never had a problem with drm |
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| 14:39.53 | Xinhuan | Adys: microsoft security essentials |
| 14:39.56 | Arrowmaster | Adys: if you find one tell me, used to run AVG on my moms laptop but since the 2011 version its been crap |
| 14:39.58 | Adys | Xinhuan: not mse |
| 14:40.03 | karl_w_w | i couldnt think of an antivirus with a light source related name |
| 14:40.06 | Kalroth | Adys: I like MSE, avira is supposedly most optimized though |
| 14:40.17 | Xinhuan | MSE hasn't got any complaints about being bad |
| 14:40.25 | Adys | i'd use it but the license i gave him is not exactly legal and mse tends to make his license go back to non-genuine |
| 14:40.27 | Xinhuan | or at least, not as much as others |
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| 14:40.53 | airtonix | Fisker: no-key-ah |
| 14:41.06 | Arrowmaster | MSE doesnt really do active scanning though on access, just schuduled scans afaik |
| 14:41.20 | Kalroth | it does active scans |
| 14:41.24 | Xinhuan | it does do active scans |
| 14:41.34 | Arrowmaster | on the version for XP? |
| 14:41.39 | Kalroth | yes |
| 14:41.50 | Kalroth | you're thinking of the trojan remover thingy |
| 14:42.01 | Kalroth | anti malware or something |
| 14:42.29 | Adys | so; any more feedback on avira? |
| 14:42.48 | Kalroth | http://www.av-comparatives.org/en/comparativesreviews/performance-tests Adys |
| 14:43.01 | Kalroth | its from december 2010, so close enough |
| 14:43.13 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: http://i.imgur.com/OMRff.png |
| 14:43.16 | Adys | well i just want some actual user feedback on it tbh |
| 14:43.20 | Adys | hence why i ask in the chan |
| 14:43.23 | karl_w_w | panda cloud? |
| 14:43.44 | Kraps | wow this is legit http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YEj3UsAl0K8 |
| 14:43.53 | airtonix | not this again |
| 14:44.17 | karl_w_w | airtonix hates pandas? |
| 14:44.52 | airtonix | karl_w_w: ukrapsbro? |
| 14:45.29 | karl_w_w | Kraps: umebro? |
| 14:45.54 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.14 | Kraps | huh? |
| 14:47.04 | karl_w_w | Adys: well in that performance test avast beat avira and mse, and I can say avast is good |
| 14:47.44 | karl_w_w | and symantec beats avira... who's been suggesting avira?! :P |
| 14:47.51 | Kraps | karl_w_w: why would i be ubro? |
| 14:48.13 | Kalroth | I suggested Avira because I used it for years before MSE :) |
| 14:48.30 | Kalroth | besides, who in their right mind would install Symantec software? |
| 14:48.32 | Adys | karl_w_w: gf uses avast yeah |
| 14:48.38 | Kalroth | whats next? Mcafee? |
| 14:48.49 | Adys | hmm |
| 14:48.52 | Xinhuan | i don't see why people dont like MSE - is it just because it has Microsoft's name in it? |
| 14:49.06 | Wobin | Kraps: looks awesome |
| 14:49.07 | Adys | Xinhuan: because it actively breaks non-genuine w7 licenses |
| 14:49.14 | karl_w_w | yes Xinhuan |
| 14:49.15 | Kalroth | Adys: it doesnt :P |
| 14:49.16 | airtonix | would it be better if it had facebook instead ? |
| 14:49.24 | Wobin | Kraps: Snowy kicks arse, as usual |
| 14:49.30 | Adys | Kalroth: im speaking from experience |
| 14:49.37 | Kraps | lol Wobin |
| 14:49.38 | Adys | i had installed mse on his computer |
| 14:49.51 | Xinhuan | so you're using a non-genuine copy of windows? |
| 14:49.52 | Adys | and after the reboot, suddenly it was nongenuine |
| 14:49.57 | Adys | yes |
| 14:50.05 | Kalroth | It was probably another Windows update then, MSE doesn't fuck around with the license |
| 14:50.27 | Kalroth | I've used MSE since it was released, on a non-genuine copy of Windows 7 |
| 14:50.34 | Adys | hm |
| 14:50.39 | airtonix | PIRATE! |
| 14:50.39 | Kraps | Wobin: i know the 2 cops are comic relief but they always annoyed me |
| 14:50.42 | Adys | you absolutely sure? |
| 14:50.43 | Xinhuan | i googled "microsoft security essentials non genuine windows" |
| 14:50.48 | Xinhuan | it appears Adys is right |
| 14:50.50 | Xinhuan | on that part |
| 14:50.52 | Wobin | Kraps: yeah, Thompson and Thompson |
| 14:50.59 | Adys | well |
| 14:51.05 | Adys | mse will NOT run on nongenuine windows Xinhuan |
| 14:51.11 | karl_w_w | its not worth pirating your os |
| 14:51.16 | Adys | but it breaks fake-genuinity |
| 14:51.32 | Adys | karl_w_w: its not my os; id install linux on it in a heartbeat |
| 14:51.56 | Adys | these guys have like 10 different xp and vista licenses they cant use because they lost the keys and dont have the money to buy a proper w7 upgrade |
| 14:52.23 | Kalroth | oh in that way |
| 14:52.31 | Kalroth | well I used Windowsloader by Daz or something |
| 14:52.33 | Wobin | Kraps: those two are the only ones that aren't particularly uncanny valley though |
| 14:53.09 | Xinhuan | i'm quite sure there's many ways to extract a valid windows cd-key from any windows installation |
| 14:53.11 | airtonix | omg |
| 14:53.18 | karl_w_w | Adys: tell them in future buy one of those things where you whistle and it beeps so they can find them :P |
| 14:53.35 | Adys | karl_w_w: funny guy |
| 14:53.43 | Kraps | Wobin: i never really notice uncanny valley unless its shown specifically |
| 14:54.00 | Xinhuan | in any case, i keep most of my product keys in a text file somewhere |
| 14:54.03 | Xinhuan | on my disks |
| 14:54.13 | Adys | yes, and no lambda user does that |
| 14:54.43 | Kalroth | Adys: fix their Windows and install MSE, problem solved! |
| 14:54.45 | Kraps | what the what http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/products/microsoft-signature-windows-7-training.aspx |
| 14:54.46 | Adys | karl_w_w: when you buy a laptop and the license key is on a sticker right under the fan, the revendors don't tell joe-buy-microsoft to save the key before it becomes a charred plastic sheet |
| 14:55.09 | karl_w_w | indeed |
| 14:55.41 | Kalroth | airtonix: also i believe my not-a-pirate penis is larger than yours! |
| 14:55.50 | Kalroth | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/kalroth |
| 14:55.57 | Fisker | if you think i could live in the sauce don't you think i would live in the sauce? |
| 14:56.06 | airtonix | meat sauce |
| 14:56.10 | Adys | Fisker: I KNOW WHERE THATS FROM |
| 14:56.11 | Adys | HAHA |
| 14:56.16 | Adys | im awesome at quotes. |
| 14:56.17 | airtonix | that's a spicy meatballs |
| 14:56.21 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:56.34 | Adys | Fisker: look who thinks he's smarter than sauce |
| 14:56.41 | Kalroth | Fisker: der sidder en frikaduns i min nums |
| 14:56.53 | Fisker | nej Kalroth |
| 14:57.07 | Wobin | Kraps: that's kinda scary |
| 14:58.02 | karl_w_w | holy smokes Kalroth |
| 14:58.14 | Wobin | er |
| 14:58.17 | Wobin | Kalroth ^ |
| 14:58.31 | Kalroth | what! |
| 14:58.40 | airtonix | this! |
| 14:58.48 | karl_w_w | 4 grand in 2 years |
| 14:58.48 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_19298_7-terrifying-things-they-dont-tell-you-about-pregnancy.html |
| 14:59.03 | karl_w_w | there's a script... |
| 14:59.05 | karl_w_w | finds |
| 14:59.07 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: to be fair, a lot of them were on sale |
| 14:59.12 | Kalroth | at least half of it |
| 15:00.15 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/imb1a/i_wrote_a_script_to_see_how_much_of_your_steam/ |
| 15:00.28 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:00.33 | Wobin | I can't do my account |
| 15:00.44 | Kalroth | on a side note: today I celebrate having replaced our inhouse VB/Pascal homemade script language with Lua! |
| 15:01.10 | Kalroth | Total games: 291 |
| 15:01.10 | Kalroth | Played games: 75 (25.77%) |
| 15:01.10 | Kalroth | Unplayed games: 216 (74.23%) |
| 15:01.12 | Kalroth | eeep |
| 15:01.12 | karl_w_w | congratulations |
| 15:01.16 | karl_w_w | you must be proud |
| 15:01.19 | Kalroth | i am |
| 15:01.22 | Kalroth | its like a new baby |
| 15:01.26 | Kalroth | and this time its pretty |
| 15:01.31 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 15:01.34 | Fisker | tee hee |
| 15:02.04 | Kraps | borderlands MP requires a gamespy account |
| 15:02.10 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 15:02.12 | Kraps | who does that? |
| 15:02.14 | Kalroth | Kraps: yes, thats why I never did MP |
| 15:02.46 | karl_w_w | i have a gamespy account i set up years and years ago to play a command and conquer renegade demo |
| 15:02.49 | karl_w_w | and never did |
| 15:03.12 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.14 | Ackis | Total games: 345 Played games: 134 (38.84%) Unplayed games: 211 (61.16%) |
| 15:03.30 | Kalroth | i made a gamespy account once when it was needed for some shooter, quake 2 I think? not sure |
| 15:03.33 | Wobin | ah there we go |
| 15:03.36 | Wobin | had to set up a custom url |
| 15:03.37 | Wobin | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/wobin |
| 15:03.37 | Kalroth | original team fortress? |
| 15:03.52 | Wobin | I'm such a cheap arse =P |
| 15:04.05 | Kalroth | Wobin: http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/zoid this is my secret stealth account, honestly! |
| 15:04.11 | Kalroth | (ignore the red username) |
| 15:05.24 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 15:05.31 | Kalroth | Fisker |
| 15:05.38 | Fisker | u suck |
| 15:05.53 | Kraps | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/krapsy |
| 15:06.10 | karl_w_w | the calculator is wrong |
| 15:06.16 | karl_w_w | doesnt take into account sales |
| 15:06.23 | Kalroth | it cannot |
| 15:06.35 | Kraps | hoho Wobin |
| 15:06.44 | karl_w_w | wobin is not a ho |
| 15:06.45 | Fisker | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/yamaOG3 <-my alt account |
| 15:06.53 | Kalroth | Fisker: dont lie |
| 15:07.19 | Wobin | Fisker: that looks nothing like you =) |
| 15:07.21 | Kalroth | yama is a member of the japanse Steam Fan Group |
| 15:07.39 | Kalroth | where the goal is to have as many games as possible and he buys everything (and then some ) |
| 15:08.22 | karl_w_w | thats so sad :P |
| 15:09.03 | Kalroth | his wishlist is always games that can be preordered :p |
| 15:09.18 | Kalroth | hahah, and game guides too |
| 15:09.41 | Kalroth | welp, it's time |
| 15:11.30 | Parnic | fisker did you win your wishlist? |
| 15:11.37 | Fisker | no i did not |
| 15:11.39 | Fisker | like a boss |
| 15:11.51 | Parnic | did they post that they've done the drawing yet? |
| 15:11.56 | Fisker | did you scam people out of their hard earned money by pricing the game too high? |
| 15:11.59 | Fisker | not yet |
| 15:12.14 | Fisker | but atleast according to the rules they should've been done by now |
| 15:12.14 | Parnic | why are you still on about that? people can choose to buy or not buy whatever they want |
| 15:17.29 | Fisker | Parnic lives in the sauce |
| 15:18.42 | Kraps | Parnic: Fisker is still in denial that he waited all these years for the game, so hes looking to blame someone |
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| 15:19.05 | Fisker | ITT: Kraps doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 15:19.13 | Fisker | just like with piracy and second hand sales :) |
| 15:19.31 | Kraps | see? classic denial! |
| 15:19.35 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 15:20.30 | Fisker | FYI: I wasn't talking about DNF |
| 15:20.57 | Kraps | same difference |
| 15:21.23 | Ackis | DNF is on my wishlist! |
| 15:21.34 | Xinhuan | DNF is not on my wishlist |
| 15:21.55 | Arrowmaster | mine too, BoS edition has dropped $20 on amazon and im still waiting for it to drop more |
| 15:22.16 | Fisker | that was some grade A living in the sauce by Jake Gyllenhaal there |
| 15:22.33 | Arrowmaster | oh wait its $30 off now |
| 15:23.09 | Fisker | better off buying DNF and then a pair of steelballs hoho |
| 15:24.31 | Xinhuan | i won't even buy it at $5, such a bad game |
| 15:24.54 | Ackis | wonders if Parnic will sign his balls of steel. |
| 15:25.02 | Parnic | i won't |
| 15:25.13 | Ackis | darn |
| 15:25.49 | TMc|sleep | I bought some trucknutz instead of DNF. Much better purchase, and now I literally have a pair of BALLS OF FUCKIN STEEL. |
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| 15:29.03 | Fisker | will you sign my balls of regular skin Parnic ? |
| 15:29.43 | Wobin | probably best not to use the rusty scalpel to do it, though |
| 15:29.51 | Fisker | very |
| 15:29.57 | Fisker | i'll bring the thing to sign with |
| 15:31.01 | Ackis | everytime I talk in French on vent, I get hate tells :( Bibi: help me! |
| 15:31.17 | Bibi | punches Ackis in the face |
| 15:31.19 | Bibi | feeling helped yet? |
| 15:31.40 | Fisker | you can't punch people in the face over vent |
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| 15:31.50 | Fisker | that's very unhelpful of you |
| 15:31.52 | Arrowmaster | YET! |
| 15:32.10 | Ackis | everytime I ask Bibi a question he abuses me! help me Fisker~ |
| 15:32.26 | Bibi | I might get my kitchenaid KPRA tomorrow Ackis! |
| 15:32.28 | Bibi | aren't you happy? |
| 15:33.00 | Ackis | I'm always happy for you |
| 15:33.06 | Ackis | except when you're not happy |
| 15:33.11 | Ackis | or are banned from IRC channels |
| 15:35.30 | Fisker | KRPA is that french for some kind of sexually transmitted disease? |
| 15:35.57 | Arrowmaster | 3rd box in a week has arrived with pointy metal objects in it |
| 15:36.16 | Bibi | it's the kitchenaid pasta attachment! |
| 15:36.28 | Arrowmaster | no its a sword |
| 15:36.50 | Arrowmaster | yesterday was a pair of Ulaks |
| 15:38.37 | Fisker | i once sworded a guy |
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| 15:42.38 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 15:43.06 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 15:43.11 | Ackis | I'm eating yogurt from a tube |
| 15:43.14 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
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| 15:48.01 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:48.17 | Kraps | is rescue me a good show? |
| 15:48.43 | TMc51 | yo |
| 15:50.06 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 15:50.08 | Fisker | you will be stopped |
| 15:50.25 | Lunessa | Kraps: I liked the first season. |
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| 16:03.27 | Ackis | Fisker: you're a smartphone nerd right? |
| 16:05.01 | Fisker | maybe |
| 16:05.53 | Fisker | i sneezed |
| 16:07.33 | Ackis | HTC Wildfire S, HTC Sensation 4G, HTC Incredible S <-- know anything about those? |
| 16:08.35 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:08.37 | Fisker | they all suck |
| 16:08.44 | TMc51 | <3 my 1st gen Incredible, and the Sincredible S is supposed to be a good bit better. |
| 16:08.44 | Fisker | look at how it says "HTC" in front |
| 16:09.27 | Ackis | Samsung Galaxy phones? |
| 16:09.43 | TMc51 | Fisker: Beats saying "Apple" in front. =P |
| 16:09.57 | Fisker | very |
| 16:10.46 | Fisker | Samsung Galaxy S2 is probably like the bestest android phone on the market |
| 16:10.54 | Ackis | Samsung Galaxy 550 or Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant |
| 16:11.47 | Ackis | bestest selling != good phone |
| 16:11.54 | Ackis | apple products sell quite well |
| 16:12.06 | Parnic | Fisker: can't wait for the new samsung windows phone. i'm using a Focus right now |
| 16:12.15 | Fisker | lol windows phone |
| 16:12.16 | Parnic | new one is basically a Galaxy, but WP7 |
| 16:12.35 | Parnic | i know, lol. why would anyone use anything else? |
| 16:13.45 | nicoli_s | im loving my windows phone |
| 16:13.48 | nicoli_s | the focus is quite nice |
| 16:13.56 | nicoli_s | and there is no better price than -25$ |
| 16:14.30 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s: -$26 |
| 16:14.57 | nicoli_s | this isnt the price is right Arrowmaster |
| 16:15.33 | Arrowmaster | that was just on or is still on right now |
| 16:15.49 | Fisker | Galaxy != Galaxy S2 :3 |
| 16:16.09 | Ackis | is it possible to have a cell phone call transfered to a land line hand set? |
| 16:16.41 | A-KO | Ackis: google voice? |
| 16:16.44 | A-KO | have it ring all of them at once :P |
| 16:16.48 | A-KO | and you can transfer between phones |
| 16:16.49 | A-KO | on voice |
| 16:17.39 | Ackis | I don't think google voice is outside of the US? |
| 16:17.42 | Parnic | nicoli_s: do you also have a samsung flatscreen tv, by chance? |
| 16:17.54 | Parnic | i wrote a remote control app, wanted to see if it works on other peoples' tvs :P |
| 16:18.07 | Ackis | basically I was thinking of cancelling my land line, but when I'm at home I'd like to talk on my handset and not on the cell phone itself |
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| 16:18.40 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: cancel all your extra services on your landline like long distance |
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| 16:19.09 | Ackis | oh I just have basic landline with voicemail/call display right now |
| 16:19.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have that |
| 16:19.30 | Arrowmaster | just a basic landline |
| 16:19.31 | TMc51 | Ackis: PBX server and get an adaptor to connect the handset. |
| 16:21.28 | Ackis | eh so I'd have to hook my cell phone up to the PC and then have a land line coming from my PC as well |
| 16:22.25 | TMc51 | when you said handset, I thought you meant a landline handset. |
| 16:22.39 | Ackis | I did |
| 16:22.43 | Ackis | I must be confused about something |
| 16:22.43 | TMc51 | but yeah, it'd be like a landline, but using google voice/skype |
| 16:23.21 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: if you want to use a landline handset just buy one of these http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/7830/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ |
| 16:24.25 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:24.27 | TMc51 | http://pcprob.blogspot.com/2011/03/howto-use-google-and-asterisk-for-free.html |
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| 16:31.30 | Ackis | hmm I thought it would be simpler |
| 16:31.43 | Fisker | i wish verified by visa would stop being shit |
| 16:31.52 | Ackis | some sort of adapter that you just plug your cell phone in to and it rings through to the landline handset |
| 16:32.06 | Arrowmaster | they have those too i think |
| 16:32.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont know where to get one though |
| 16:34.38 | Ackis | like it'd be nice to walk in to the house and just put the phone down and have all calls routed from my cell to my landline, and when I walk out of the house they go to my cell |
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| 16:36.49 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: YOU SUCK AT GOOGLE SEARCH |
| 16:36.52 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: http://amzn.com/B00135XU7Q |
| 16:37.22 | Seerah | why not just have a cell? |
| 16:37.46 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: do you carry your cellphone with you throughout your house? |
| 16:37.53 | Seerah | yes |
| 16:37.58 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I don't fail at google search |
| 16:38.04 | Ackis | I never DID a google search |
| 16:38.09 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: is that what you want? |
| 16:38.14 | Ackis | yup |
| 16:38.19 | Arrowmaster | then order it |
| 16:38.26 | Ackis | .com != .ca |
| 16:38.33 | Seerah | Ackis: if I had a landline, I'd have to carry that throughout the house too :p |
| 16:38.39 | Seerah | or have like 3-4 phones |
| 16:38.53 | Ackis | we have a 4 cordless phone system that's set up throughout the house |
| 16:38.59 | Arrowmaster | we probably have about 10 different landlines in the house |
| 16:39.44 | Arrowmaster | i can think of 11 that are wired up in the house right now |
| 16:39.57 | Arrowmaster | well 1s out in the garage |
| 16:40.45 | Seerah | how much money on electricity are you spending to keep all those running? ;) |
| 16:41.48 | Arrowmaster | $0 |
| 16:42.01 | TMc51 | none of them are cordless? |
| 16:42.07 | Arrowmaster | they are only connected to the phone line, well except the one on the fax machine |
| 16:42.11 | Seerah | you just said 4 of them were at least |
| 16:42.12 | Arrowmaster | none of them are cordless |
| 16:42.21 | Seerah | oh, that was Ackis |
| 16:42.29 | Seerah | wow - I need to drink more of my Diet Coke |
| 16:42.48 | TMc51 | PFFFT! |
| 16:43.02 | TMc51 | has Diet Dr. Pepper. |
| 16:43.03 | Seerah | :p |
| 16:43.27 | Seerah | Diet Dr. Pepper does *not* taste more like regular Dr. Pepper |
| 16:43.38 | Ackis | it tastes better |
| 16:43.45 | Seerah | nuh uh |
| 16:43.47 | Parnic | Dr Pepper does *not* have a period after the Dr :) |
| 16:43.48 | TMc51 | Agreed. |
| 16:44.25 | Seerah | Then it's not "doctor" Pepper - it's "dr" Pepper |
| 16:44.35 | Parnic | drpepper.com <- observe :) |
| 16:44.35 | Seerah | "durr" |
| 16:44.46 | alestane | Wouldn't you like to be a Peppy too? |
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| 16:48.32 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:56.38 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: the funny thing about that product you linked is that its a Canadian company but not on Amazon.ca |
| 17:00.46 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/18551/secret_room.jpg <- want |
| 17:01.12 | karl_w_w | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Hopscotch_to_oblivion.jpg <- win |
| 17:01.28 | karl_w_w | Fisker, wanna play hopscotch? |
| 17:12.08 | Fisker | 21 games left karl_w_w |
| 17:13.18 | Lunessa | Diet soft drinks are evil! |
| 17:13.30 | karl_w_w | agreed |
| 17:13.37 | karl_w_w | except pepsi max |
| 17:15.46 | Fisker | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/89710-the-fanless-spinning-heatsink-the-heatsink-is-the-fan |
| 17:15.56 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 17:16.00 | Fisker | and especially no karl_w_w |
| 17:16.31 | Lunessa | Fisker: I linked that yesterday. |
| 17:16.37 | karl_w_w | why always with the wrongness Fisker? |
| 17:16.39 | Fisker | no Lunessa ! |
| 17:16.45 | Fisker | that was in another reality |
| 17:16.51 | Fisker | says karl_w_w |
| 17:16.59 | Fisker | you would think that the w's in your nick stands for wrong |
| 17:18.41 | karl_w_w | you might, because of all your wrongness |
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| 17:51.00 | foxlit | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 17:52.29 | Kraps | asscreedbro is now available for mac os |
| 17:54.03 | foxlit | Kraps: tell me more about its network connectivity requirements |
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| 17:54.43 | Kraps | about fifty |
| 17:55.02 | foxlit | "requires ubi account to play"? |
| 17:55.33 | Ackis | hahahahhahha my dog doesn't like the ring tone for my work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJVdtZ7lPoY |
| 17:55.41 | Kraps | yeah, so you can connect it to the FB game |
| 17:56.10 | foxlit | screw them. |
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| 17:56.37 | luc2 | re |
| 17:57.10 | luc2 | is it possible to create a movable AceGUI:Create("Frame") ? |
| 17:59.56 | Ackis | Fisker: did you watch my video?!?! |
| 18:02.38 | mikma | foxlit: that's awesome |
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| 18:14.51 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 18:14.52 | Fisker | i farted |
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| 18:26.13 | Maldivia | grrr, why is that damn nyan cat melody so catchy... ( and Bollywood dancing doesn't make it worse ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdw64aHYXA ) ) |
| 18:29.27 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzq2O54LLIw << Husky's expression during the car scenes is awesome |
| 18:31.52 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 18:32.14 | Fisker | old foxlit |
| 18:32.22 | foxlit | also, "who's slightly favored now?" should totally be on a t-shirt. |
| 18:38.24 | Kraps | "Mercede Johnston of the Wasilla Johnstonsâa girl famous for being the sister of a guy who put his dick inside the daughter of a lady who did not become vice presidentâis following in her brother's autoerotic footsteps, and posing for Playboy." |
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| 18:41.46 | Kraps | http://gawker.com/5820840/casey-anthony-found-disguised-as-black-man-in-philly |
| 18:42.48 | TMc51 | lol |
| 18:42.59 | TMc51 | the last part of that article is the best. |
| 18:44.02 | Kraps | 2 of his sons are are also named Casey Anthony, wat |
| 18:44.27 | AcidWeb | How many reward points guys you make daily on curse? I want to have some comparison ;p |
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| 18:51.17 | Fisker | don't you find me attractive Kraps ? |
| 18:51.29 | Kraps | pics or gtfo |
| 18:51.34 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 18:52.18 | foxlit | AcidWeb: not enough! |
| 18:52.22 | foxlit | is the only proper answer to that |
| 18:52.31 | AcidWeb | Haha. Right. |
| 18:53.49 | foxlit | You know, curse fails |
| 18:54.12 | foxlit | As in, sony-style failing |
| 18:54.40 | AcidWeb | I added my project there only because ppl want that. |
| 18:55.04 | foxlit | Oh, not as an addon site |
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| 18:55.26 | foxlit | I mean about security their author rewards logs |
| 18:55.47 | foxlit | https://www.curseforge.com/home/reward-points/1/ << It doesn't check whether you really should have permission to view them. |
| 18:56.10 | Fisker | i'm just gonna come |
| 18:57.08 | AcidWeb | O.o |
| 19:00.06 | TMc51 | Foxlit: I don't see how not hiding reward logs is anywhere remotely near Sony level failure. It's not like any personal information is shared. |
| 19:00.14 | Fisker | aha! |
| 19:00.18 | Fisker | stalkd nevcairiel |
| 19:00.23 | Fisker | 134 points for Bartender4 |
| 19:01.21 | foxlit | TMc51: I was referring more to the mechanism and less to the impact :) |
| 19:13.14 | kd3|netbook | I'm still laughing at the sony captcha fail |
| 19:13.20 | kd3|netbook | that's just pathetic, even for them |
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| 19:22.12 | TheLifelessOne | Hey, I have a couple of questions about making addons. |
| 19:22.27 | TheLifelessOne | First, can I use subfolders as a location for XML and Lua files? |
| 19:22.53 | TheLifelessOne | Second, do XML tags need to have the first letter capitalized? |
| 19:24.34 | Lunessa | First: Yes - but you have to make sure you give the whole path to the files. Second - the cases must always match. <Tag> is not the same as </tag> - for this reason lots of people put XML tags in all caps. |
| 19:25.35 | TheLifelessOne | Lunessa, First: the full path in relation to the WoW folder? Second: All caps as in "<TAG>", or "<Tag>"? |
| 19:26.22 | Lunessa | First: relative to the "root" folder of you addon. Second: <TAG> |
| 19:26.35 | TheLifelessOne | Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. :D |
| 19:30.19 | alestane | Most WoW XML tags are Cap first IIRC. <Frame> |
| 19:30.53 | Maldivia | aren't they upper camel case ? |
| 19:31.24 | alestane | In the cases where it's multiword like ScrollFrame, I think so. |
| 19:31.30 | TheLifelessOne | The only ones I've seen so far have the first letter capitalized. |
| 19:31.39 | TheLifelessOne | But then again, I'm just beginning with addons. |
| 19:31.47 | Maldivia | well, in case of "single words", it's still upper camel case :P |
| 19:32.21 | alestane | Ambiguously, yes. |
| 19:33.41 | TheLifelessOne | Does anyone know of a resource to learn how to create various UI elements (minimap, actionsbars, unitframes, etc.) |
| 19:33.55 | alestane | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:33.55 | purl | hmm... wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:34.10 | TheLifelessOne | Thanks. |
| 19:34.32 | Maldivia | TheLifelessOne: you can look in the UI file for all the XML names and their attributes etc |
| 19:34.43 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, Which UI file? |
| 19:35.21 | Maldivia | UI.xsd |
| 19:35.24 | TheLifelessOne | Alright. |
| 19:35.31 | TheLifelessOne | Now stupid question, where do I get that? :D |
| 19:35.31 | Maldivia | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/UI.xsd |
| 19:35.37 | TheLifelessOne | Ah, thanks. |
| 19:35.50 | Maldivia | but might not be the most userfriendly file to read |
| 19:35.55 | TheLifelessOne | and just so I know, this is the actual interface code for the WoW UI? |
| 19:36.05 | Maldivia | but it's the file that describes how the XML files must look to be valid |
| 19:36.12 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, Probably, but it wouldn't be the first time I've had to look at ugly code. I work with JavaScript a lot. :D |
| 19:36.17 | TheLifelessOne | Oh, alright. |
| 19:36.32 | TheLifelessOne | Is there a file though, that defines the default UI? |
| 19:36.37 | Maldivia | for the code behid the default UI: |
| 19:36.39 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 19:36.39 | purl | hmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 19:36.53 | TheLifelessOne | Alright. |
| 19:37.03 | Maldivia | as you'll see from any of the above links, it's aboout 100 files or so :P |
| 19:37.10 | TheLifelessOne | Yep. :D |
| 19:37.11 | Maldivia | or more |
| 19:37.18 | TheLifelessOne | Looks like I have a lot of work cut out for me. |
| 19:38.45 | Maldivia | well, the files are named in a (mostluy) logical way |
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| 19:39.00 | TheLifelessOne | Alright |
| 19:39.52 | Maldivia | and the majority of Blizzard's code use xml to create the frames |
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| 19:41.04 | TheLifelessOne | Is it possible to use something other than XML to create frames? |
| 19:41.23 | Maldivia | you can do it programically with Lua |
| 19:41.32 | TheLifelessOne | Is it more efficient to do it that way? |
| 19:41.42 | TheLifelessOne | (in terms of computational resources required) |
| 19:42.13 | Maldivia | doesn't matter much |
| 19:42.18 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 19:42.19 | TheLifelessOne | Alright. |
| 19:42.28 | TheLifelessOne | Which do you think it eaiser to work with? |
| 19:42.35 | Lunessa | The only time you have to use XML is when you're creating templates. |
| 19:42.37 | TheLifelessOne | Or is generally considered easier. |
| 19:42.41 | TMc51 | if one is more efficient than the other, I highly doubt it'd be anywhere near noticable at all. |
| 19:42.50 | Maldivia | note: once a frame is created it exists forever (till you reload ui / logout), there is no garbage collection of frames |
| 19:43.11 | TheLifelessOne | Lunessa, Are templates useful in WoW (I know what the concept is.)? |
| 19:43.23 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, Non at all? |
| 19:43.35 | Maldivia | none at all |
| 19:43.44 | alestane | The only time it really makes ANY difference which one you use is at load time, where XML is supposed to be a little faster. But we're talking fractions of a second. |
| 19:43.46 | Lunessa | Well, if your addon requires lots of frames based around a common design, then you'll want templates. Otherwise, it's not that important. |
| 19:44.10 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, is there any way to force garbage collection, without a reload/logout? |
| 19:44.24 | Maldivia | frames cannot be garbage collected, period. |
| 19:44.27 | TheLifelessOne | Lunessa, Alright. |
| 19:44.36 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, Well, now that sounds like a design flaw. :/ |
| 19:45.04 | Lunessa | No, not a flaw. A design consideration. |
| 19:45.19 | Lunessa | As in, you must consider this when doing your design. |
| 19:45.20 | TheLifelessOne | Possibly, but garbage collection is important to have, even if it isn't active by default. |
| 19:45.41 | TheLifelessOne | And even if it isn't being used, having the possibility to use it can't be a bad thing. |
| 19:45.44 | Lunessa | Frames don't get garbage collected for good reasons. |
| 19:45.52 | TheLifelessOne | Why's that? |
| 19:45.55 | Maldivia | GC on frames would be a nightmare |
| 19:46.04 | TheLifelessOne | How so? |
| 19:46.29 | Lunessa | Because they're the foundation of all else. Nothing happens in the UI that's not attached to a frame (I'm taking liberties, but this is essentially true). |
| 19:46.36 | TheLifelessOne | Okay. |
| 19:47.50 | Maldivia | Lunessa: well, not that many liberties... the only exception I can think if is the error handler |
| 19:48.55 | alestane | When would you consider a frame valid for garbage collection? |
| 19:48.56 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I try to make my blanket statements with an escape clause when I don't lay out all the exceptions. |
| 19:49.17 | Maldivia | Lunessa: hehe :P |
| 19:50.24 | TheLifelessOne | Okay, so I downloaded the UI customization pack-thingy from the Blizzard website, and it had a folder named "FrameXML". Is this the UI code for the default interface? |
| 19:50.34 | Maldivia | yep |
| 19:50.39 | TheLifelessOne | Excellent. |
| 19:51.16 | Maldivia | wasn't aware it was available for download from blizard's site though |
| 19:51.28 | Maldivia | but FrameXML is the name of the deafult UI :P |
| 19:52.14 | kd3|netbook | the ui customizaiton pack on the website no longer works |
| 19:52.18 | kd3|netbook | I thought they pulled it |
| 19:52.55 | Maldivia | well, from the sound of the above, it's the actual files and not the extraction util anymore? |
| 19:55.38 | kd3|netbook | the one on the website is for 4.0 |
| 19:55.46 | kd3|netbook | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 |
| 19:55.52 | kd3|netbook | FrameXML.toc says 40000 |
| 19:55.57 | kd3|netbook | so... |
| 19:55.59 | kd3|netbook | ~framexml |
| 19:55.59 | purl | i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 19:56.17 | kd3|netbook | up-to-date versions of the UI can be had by following those instructions |
| 19:57.49 | Kraps | http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/13/blizzcon-2011-will-host-two-starcraft-2-global-tournaments-and-m/ |
| 19:58.23 | Kraps | idk, blizzcon and tournies dont seem to mix |
| 19:59.24 | kd3|netbook | they've been doing that for years now |
| 20:02.44 | kd3|netbook | blah. we get a handy red "google+ wants more of your day" icon on top of every page, but no gmail indicator? |
| 20:02.45 | kd3|netbook | only seems to notice mail coming in when his phone buzzes |
| 20:08.39 | TheLifelessOne | Will this work for the current interface version: http://addonstudio.codeplex.com/ |
| 20:08.41 | Maldivia | yeah - you'd imagine a simple "GMail (4)" on the top-line would be easy to do |
| 20:09.30 | TheLifelessOne | Anyone? |
| 20:09.54 | Maldivia | it's 2½ years old, so... |
| 20:10.21 | TheLifelessOne | yes, but old software can still work correctly... |
| 20:10.22 | Maldivia | but guess the basic UI stuff should still work |
| 20:10.27 | TheLifelessOne | Alright |
| 20:10.44 | Maldivia | but don't know how complete that software is |
| 20:11.31 | alestane | AddOnStudio was, when it was being maintained, usually regarded as a deception that misled aspiring authors. |
| 20:11.50 | TheLifelessOne | alestane, what do you mean by that? |
| 20:12.09 | alestane | It was incomplete or buggy in several places, to start. |
| 20:12.25 | TheLifelessOne | Okay. |
| 20:12.43 | alestane | It overwrote user code attempting to keep its files conformant to its own standards. |
| 20:12.52 | TheLifelessOne | Are there any working alternatives to it? |
| 20:13.06 | Maldivia | any text editor will work :P |
| 20:13.20 | TheLifelessOne | :/ |
| 20:13.55 | alestane | There are no graphical editors for frame layouts, which was the principle feature that made it look attractive. If you wanted to use it for that only it might still work. |
| 20:14.21 | alestane | Lay out the frames of the your add-on, then insert all the action code using a standard text editor. |
| 20:16.04 | Maldivia | doing it by hand, you also learn rather quickly to figure out how things will look simply by looking at the code :P |
| 20:16.44 | TheLifelessOne | Okay. |
| 20:16.49 | foxlit | pastey died? |
| 20:17.15 | alestane | THe simple fact is that WoW already contains all the code to lay out and texture frames, and it hasn't been worthwhile to duplicate all that code in an outside environment. |
| 20:17.28 | alestane | pastey.net seems to have been dead for some weeks now. |
| 20:17.50 | foxlit | Hm. I'm contemplating the wisdom of pseudo-objects versus some form of flat API |
| 20:18.45 | foxlit | In particular, something like lib:get(...):info() vs id = lib:get(...); lib:info(id) |
| 20:18.55 | Fisker | passes gas to kd3|netbook |
| 20:19.33 | Maldivia | foxlit: does it make sense to have the info function on lib, or does it only apply to what you "get"? |
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| 20:20.37 | foxlit | Maldivia: the latter, I would imagine |
| 20:21.56 | foxlit | You wouldn't be able to guess the id without :get(), and calling :info() without an id is madness. |
| 20:22.58 | Maldivia | well, there's the answer for you then? |
| 20:23.32 | foxlit | It's one kind of answer |
| 20:23.44 | foxlit | On the other hand, to return an object, I'd have to spawn a table on each get call. |
| 20:23.52 | foxlit | That sounds kinda meh. |
| 20:24.11 | Maldivia | hmm - anyone watched Sirens (British TV show) ? |
| 20:24.43 | TheLifelessOne | How do I use an XML template? |
| 20:24.44 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, if there isn't anything else to do with the return than :info(), then it might be a bit overkill to objectify it :P |
| 20:25.32 | Lunessa | TheLifelessOne: You're really breaking into the "Read the book" territory. |
| 20:25.37 | alestane | You pass the name of it to CreateFrame in Lua or use it as the value of an inherits="" attribute in XML, TheLifelessOne. |
| 20:25.48 | TheLifelessOne | Lunessa, Touche. |
| 20:25.50 | TheLifelessOne | alestane, thanks. |
| 20:26.45 | alestane | And yes, I'm trying to field questions from two different beginning programmers at once who barely even know what it is they're trying to do. |
| 20:27.10 | foxlit | Maldivia: and that's another kind of answer. I think I'll actually just go with an index. |
| 20:35.03 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:36.02 | Kraps | This past weekend, the winners of each regional Pokémon Video Game Championship bracket faced off in Indianapolis, weeding out the top eight trainers from the Junior (born after 2000), Senior (born 1995 - 1999) and Master (born before 1995) divisions. |
| 20:36.07 | TheLifelessOne | Gah, WoW's XML UI code makes no sense to me. -_- |
| 20:37.08 | Maldivia | TheLifelessOne: as soon as you get a grasp of how anchors work, it gets alot easier :P |
| 20:37.13 | Fisker | apparently it's time to kill Kraps |
| 20:37.28 | TheLifelessOne | I have a fairly good understanding of anchors, I'd like to think. |
| 20:37.40 | Kraps | are you the very best, Fisker? |
| 20:37.47 | TheLifelessOne | It's using premade Blizzard stuff and what-not I don't get. |
| 20:38.26 | TheLifelessOne | I'm trying to create custom action bars right now. I read every source file I can that relates to it, and still, I don't get it. |
| 20:38.46 | Maldivia | well, you've also started at one of the hardest places :P |
| 20:38.59 | TheLifelessOne | Indeed, but it's not like I don't know anything about programming. |
| 20:39.10 | TheLifelessOne | I understand a lot of these concepts, but Blizzard UI code is just so terrible... |
| 20:39.26 | Maldivia | especially if you want it to work as an action bar, since all the action bars require you to use the secure templates |
| 20:39.33 | Seerah | perhaps you're just having difficulty following it. I admit it's not the best, but... |
| 20:39.40 | TheLifelessOne | Seerah, Probably... |
| 20:39.44 | Seerah | do you want to alter the default bars or make your own? |
| 20:39.48 | TheLifelessOne | Make my own. |
| 20:39.53 | foxlit | XML is for layouts, anyway |
| 20:40.08 | Seerah | it's easier and lighter to reuse default button ids |
| 20:40.08 | TheLifelessOne | foxlit, XML itself is used to describe data. |
| 20:40.12 | Maldivia | Seerah: well, the secure stuff can be a bit tricky to get the first time you look at it :P |
| 20:40.19 | Seerah | yes, I haven't even bothered :) |
| 20:40.29 | TheLifelessOne | Seerah, Well, I can use the default ones, I guess, I just don't want all the graphics and stuff. |
| 20:40.40 | TheLifelessOne | I just want light-weight, working actionbars. |
| 20:40.52 | Seerah | you don't need the graphics :p you can even just use the main menu bar but hide all the graphics ;) |
| 20:40.56 | TheLifelessOne | Like you would get in BT4 or Dominos. |
| 20:40.59 | Seerah | look at rActionBarStyler |
| 20:41.08 | Seerah | ^^ simpler |
| 20:41.25 | TheLifelessOne | Well this is for a part of a larger project to overhaul my UI with hand-written code |
| 20:41.36 | Seerah | I'm not saying you have to use it |
| 20:41.45 | TheLifelessOne | to remove the functionality I don't need, and hardcode in values to improve performance. |
| 20:41.46 | Seerah | but looking at other addons that do what you want to do is the way to learn |
| 20:41.58 | TheLifelessOne | All the other addons use Ace. :/ |
| 20:41.59 | TMc51 | Pretty much look through it, see how it was done, and impliment it in your own way. |
| 20:42.18 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12168-rActionBarStyler.html |
| 20:42.23 | Maldivia | as for the default action bars, you'll want to look at MainMenuBar first, that's the background for the action buttons, the bag buttons, and the mini buttons |
| 20:42.49 | Seerah | most addons that move around the default bars have learned from rABS |
| 20:43.02 | Maldivia | TheLifelessOne: and if you're saying you just want to customize the existing, then you can't do anything with xml :P |
| 20:43.36 | TheLifelessOne | Maldivia, right now, I'm just trying to get actionbars not unlike what Bartender4 has. |
| 20:43.57 | TheLifelessOne | Seerah, What is rABS? |
| 20:43.59 | Maldivia | then download Bartender :P |
| 20:44.05 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12168-rActionBarStyler.html |
| 20:44.21 | TheLifelessOne | Okay, thanks. |
| 20:52.34 | Fisker | the best of the best Kraps |
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| 21:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think i'm addicted to addons, help |
| 21:06.47 | Mr_Rabies | like, i check the curse client pretty much constantly for updates and i'm always on the lookout for more |
| 21:06.56 | Mr_Rabies | god help me if i knew how to write them |
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| 21:11.37 | TheLifelessOne | Any reason why SetPoint is giving me the error 'Couldn't find region named "BOTTOM"'? |
| 21:12.05 | jnwhiteh | because your argument order is wrong |
| 21:12.15 | TheLifelessOne | How so? |
| 21:12.25 | jnwhiteh | the argument you are giving for parent is the string "BOTTOM" |
| 21:12.30 | jnwhiteh | so it looks that up, can't find it, and tells you so |
| 21:12.33 | TheLifelessOne | Oh. |
| 21:12.34 | TheLifelessOne | Right. |
| 21:12.40 | TheLifelessOne | What should I pass it, then? |
| 21:12.48 | jnwhiteh | the correct arguments? |
| 21:13.01 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint |
| 21:13.30 | TheLifelessOne | Well I have the Wowpedia page on the function open, and it seems as if I've got it right, but then again, it is giving me errors... |
| 21:15.45 | jnwhiteh | then you're calling it with a . |
| 21:15.48 | jnwhiteh | instead of a : |
| 21:16.06 | TheLifelessOne | Nope, I'm using ':'. |
| 21:16.12 | jnwhiteh | paste the line here. |
| 21:16.49 | TheLifelessOne | barFrame:SetPoint("BOTTOM", "BOTTOM", UIParent, -1, 22) |
| 21:17.01 | jnwhiteh | yes, you're doing it wrong |
| 21:17.05 | jnwhiteh | look at the page I linked you |
| 21:17.11 | TheLifelessOne | Alright. |
| 21:17.13 | TheLifelessOne | Thanks |
| 21:17.23 | jnwhiteh | the second argument is relativeTo, not relativePoint |
| 21:17.46 | TheLifelessOne | Okay. |
| 21:19.19 | TheLifelessOne | Aha, I've gotten it to work, I think. Thanks! |
| 21:20.39 | Ackis | is anyone here this person: https://plus.google.com/117971490408514876602 |
| 21:20.56 | jnwhiteh | not that I know. |
| 21:23.30 | TheLifelessOne | I still haven't gotten a + invite. :/ |
| 21:28.40 | Kraps | http://movies.ign.com/articles/100/1002569p1.html Ginny Weasley ranked lower than Gilderoy Lockhart, i dont even |
| 21:29.22 | TheLifelessOne | Okay, I have a stupid question. I'm reading an addon's source, and there if a function '_G". I figured this was a custom function, but I can't find it anywhere in the source. Does that mean it's a part of the WoW API? |
| 21:29.32 | jnwhiteh | TheLifelessOne: its not a function |
| 21:29.37 | jnwhiteh | its a table, and its the global environment in Lua |
| 21:29.41 | TheLifelessOne | Okay. |
| 21:29.45 | jnwhiteh | lua> pairs == _G.pairs |
| 21:29.46 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: true |
| 21:29.54 | jnwhiteh | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 21:29.55 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: string, xpcall, tostring, print, lpeg, strtrim, os, unpack, strjoin, getfenv, strconcat, setmetatable, next, assert, tonumber, strsplit, rawequal, md5, collectgarbage, getmetatable, rawset, pp, prettyprint, bit, math, pcall, table, newproxy, type, coroutine, _G, select, gcinfo, pairs, rawget, ipairs... (result truncated) |
| 21:29.56 | TheLifelessOne | Ohhhhhh... |
| 21:30.07 | TheLifelessOne | Thanks. :D |
| 21:35.21 | alestane | ...what's prettyprint? |
| 21:36.04 | nicoli_s | prints tables with proper indentation and stuff |
| 21:37.30 | alestane | Is that undocumented core Lua? |
| 21:38.43 | nicoli_s | dunno |
| 21:40.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:41.22 | jnwhiteh | its not core lua |
| 21:41.27 | jnwhiteh | its just a function Cide wrote |
| 21:41.32 | jnwhiteh | and it doesn't do indentation, actually |
| 21:41.39 | jnwhiteh | but handles self-referential tables |
| 21:42.09 | jnwhiteh | lua> t= {}; s = {t}; s.s = s; pp(s) |
| 21:42.10 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { { } (#2), ["s"] = <table: #1> } (#1) |
| 21:46.53 | Cide | oh, did you reuse mine? I always thought you wrote your own |
| 21:47.10 | Cide | not that it matters :) |
| 21:48.30 | jnwhiteh | nope, its your code |
| 21:55.46 | pompy | http://news.yahoo.com/minnesota-wi-fi-hacker-gets-18-years-prison-032803295.html |
| 21:57.15 | Dagmar | That dude has *issues* |
| 21:57.30 | pompy | lol |
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| 21:58.42 | Dagmar | Rational people would just go take a poop in the neighbor's mailbox and be done with it |
| 21:59.21 | Dagmar | Okay so, that's not particularly rational either, but going to the effort of setting up a whole bunch of shit to try to frame them for child porn is extremely overkill |
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| 22:02.15 | Mihau | Surprised they even managed to figure out it was a neighbor fucking with them. |
| 22:02.48 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing they started out with "who is not on good terms with us at the moment?" |
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| 22:23.45 | Kraps | youtube has a new seek bar, no wait they just made it black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxaH1kqhljA |
| 22:23.56 | Ycarene | You have to be invited into google+ right? |
| 22:26.51 | Kraps | google+ http://i.imgur.com/wv30D.png |
| 22:45.34 | Mr_Rabies | Bugs I'm tired of: 1) castsequence macros resetting on their own accord before the set reset conditions 2)whatever makes me keep targeting dead mobs when i'm fighting multiple mobs |
| 22:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | :[ |
| 22:46.53 | mckenziemc | regarding 2, do you use mouseover macros that don't include [nodead] ? |
| 22:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use any mouseover macros at all as far as i can recall |
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| 22:50.31 | Mr_Rabies | 4.1 added 1, 4.2 added 2 |
| 22:50.48 | Kraps | holly crap my 6 year-old cousin is annoying |
| 22:51.56 | Mr_Rabies | p. much |
| 22:52.05 | tem | ooh shiney new ui on youtube |
| 22:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | putting off having kids hopefully forever |
| 22:52.23 | Mr_Rabies | my nephew is great but dear god can he be annoying |
| 22:53.37 | Kraps | hes actually my cousins son, which makes him...? |
| 22:55.29 | pompy | second cousin? |
| 22:59.06 | Kraps | tem: they just changed the color of the bar |
| 22:59.17 | tem | it's prettier |
| 22:59.17 | Kraps | it does look better |
| 22:59.23 | tem | and it matches the g+ ui |
| 23:00.33 | Kraps | oh is that it? |
| 23:00.58 | Kraps | i was idly wondering if it was related :) |
| 23:02.01 | tem | I'm pretty sure the audio icon is different too |
| 23:02.53 | Kraps | well 3 cheers for progress! |
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| 23:15.22 | mckenziemc | wut |
| 23:24.55 | Kraps | i lold http://www.dump.com/2011/07/07/hogwarts-which-house-are-you-video/ |
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| 23:32.43 | TheLifelessOne | Can anyone tell me what stupid mistake I made here? http://pastebin.com/FVnVYwjx |
| 23:34.36 | Thunder_Child | are you missing a "," somewhere? |
| 23:35.00 | TheLifelessOne | I don't think so. |
| 23:36.09 | TheLifelessOne | Thunder_Child, the only error it gives me is "Attempt to call a table value". |
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| 23:49.40 | airtonix | Dagmar: he didn't even do it properly... this is what happens when noobs think they can mastermind shit |
| 23:50.05 | airtonix | "omg i have a computer. i'm a hacker now!!!!oneonepony!!111" |
| 23:50.16 | A-KO | 1337 h4x0rs |
| 23:52.41 | Duman | speaking of haxors |
| 23:52.59 | Duman | vodafone = fail |
| 23:53.02 | Duman | http://thcorg.blogspot.com/2011/07/vodafone-hacked-root-password-published.html |
| 23:54.25 | airtonix | gold |
| 23:54.58 | Kraps | david letterman is great |
| 23:55.13 | airtonix | isn't he dead? |
| 23:55.25 | airtonix | i thought he died of old age |
| 23:55.34 | airtonix | or lack of viewers |
| 23:57.42 | TheLifelessOne | Does anyone know how to make action bars using the XML UI interface, or the Lua interface? |
| 23:57.59 | TheLifelessOne | I've gone over Blizzards FrameXML files, and I haven't found anything that helps. |
| 23:58.58 | Seerah | TheLifelessOne: did you look at rABS? |
| 23:59.14 | TheLifelessOne | I did, but it didn't help much either. |
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