| 00:00.12 | dusf | does anyoen know why the grid frame would change position on reload, despite it being locked in options? |
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| 00:19.28 | kd3 | har; fark: "Iowa orders half the state to evacuate", actual article: "Fremont County Orders Evacuation Of 661 Residents" |
| 00:38.00 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 00:48.51 | Dashkal | You... you mean Fark headlines aren't the literal truth of the situation? |
| 00:54.09 | Gnarfoz | ..but they are |
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| 00:57.55 | Shirik | I just got logged into WoW without my authenticator... |
| 00:58.25 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 00:58.49 | Gnarfoz | I would link to the appropriate blue post, but mmoc is down, and I can't be bothered to search Blizzard's own tracker ;p |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | am I supposed to magically know all blue posts? |
| 00:59.09 | Gnarfoz | yes! |
| 00:59.24 | Gnarfoz | blue.mmo-champion.com is not your home page? |
| 00:59.31 | Gnarfoz | blasphemy |
| 01:00.02 | Gnarfoz | short story: they skip the authenticator step if they already know it's you |
| 01:00.08 | TMc51 | http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker also. CBA finding it there, though. |
| 01:01.00 | Shirik | why would I go to mmo-champion? |
| 01:01.04 | Shirik | Also how do I turn that "feature" off |
| 01:01.34 | mckenziemc | by logging in from a different ip address each time :p |
| 01:01.43 | Gnarfoz | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2674529777 |
| 01:01.54 | Gnarfoz | it's not turn-off-able |
| 01:07.50 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 01:08.03 | Shirik | how do I tell blizzard that they're stupid and that I am going to quit and take my 20 accounts with me? |
| 01:08.11 | Xinhuan | you'd think 10000 people haven't already told blizzard that on twitter and teh forums |
| 01:08.20 | Gnarfoz | you can tell that to the wall or /dev/null |
| 01:08.35 | Gnarfoz | has about the same effect |
| 01:09.14 | Shirik | I think you both missed the joke ._. |
| 01:09.35 | Gnarfoz | you were too close to reality with it |
| 01:09.37 | Gnarfoz | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info19998-ForceAuthenticatoronlogin.html#info < |
| 01:09.54 | Gnarfoz | seems it caches the h/w info it sends over for this |
| 01:10.01 | Gnarfoz | and deleting it makes it ask again |
| 01:10.18 | Xinhuan | btw Shirik |
| 01:10.19 | Xinhuan | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2226276687 |
| 01:10.24 | Xinhuan | fisker made a topic about it last week |
| 01:10.40 | Xinhuan | with instructions on how he thinks it can be turned off, as well |
| 01:11.19 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 01:11.28 | Shirik | that's win |
| 01:11.29 | Mr_Rabies | i see |
| 01:11.35 | Xinhuan | and its similar to that "addon" on wowi |
| 01:11.47 | Xinhuan | other than the fact that fisker's version is a lot more specific |
| 01:12.01 | Xinhuan | than just deleting a whole group of keys that regenerate and have to be redeleted |
| 01:12.06 | Shirik | fisker's version is a lot more awesome |
| 01:12.15 | Mr_Rabies | if the "login from a different location" is the same as the one for the dial in authenticator it's not secure at all |
| 01:12.23 | Gnarfoz | I've done that before for other things, withdrawing registry access permissions |
| 01:12.34 | Mr_Rabies | but it seems like it uses the registry in some fashion too |
| 01:12.43 | Mr_Rabies | which is new |
| 01:13.41 | Xinhuan | still, blizzard have posted several times on their twitter that |
| 01:13.54 | Xinhuan | they look into a lot more things than just the registry and your IP address |
| 01:14.10 | Xinhuan | but this obviously doesn't stop your family members who might know your password from logging in |
| 01:14.22 | Gnarfoz | they shouldn't, blah blah |
| 01:14.34 | Xinhuan | nor can you edit the registry of a computer in a net cafe that you might frequent |
| 01:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | Xinhuan: i'm just saying that i hope it doesn't use the same method as the dial-in authenticaot |
| 01:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | authenticator |
| 01:14.54 | Mr_Rabies | because if it does, it's broken |
| 01:14.56 | Gnarfoz | and thus security is lowered, for those who (ab)used the authenticator as a means of augmenting security that they themselves compromised ;) |
| 01:15.03 | Mr_Rabies | i got hacked with a dial-in authenticator on and my system is clean |
| 01:15.13 | Gnarfoz | "got hacked" lol |
| 01:15.22 | Gnarfoz | obviously something wasn't clean |
| 01:16.03 | Gnarfoz | you are now: a proxy :D |
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| 01:43.03 | Zyn | :(__) |
| 01:43.10 | Zyn | TF2 goes f2p |
| 01:45.48 | Corrodias | i don't get it. is that a joke? |
| 01:46.17 | Corrodias | or do you mean the game client is free whereas it wasn't before? |
| 01:47.21 | Corrodias | i've always associated the "free to play" concept with a lack of subscription fees, since the situation i described would just be called "free". |
| 01:49.11 | Trela | As in, it is free. |
| 01:49.19 | Trela | Instead of $10 to buy. |
| 01:49.25 | JunkHead | http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/23/valve-relaunching-team-fortress-2-as-free-to-play-title/ |
| 01:49.45 | Trela | Also, Meet the Medic is epic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc |
| 01:49.54 | Corrodias | supported by microtrans, ah yes, THAT is what it means. right. |
| 01:50.03 | Zyn | the "Meet the Medic" video confirms it's now F2P |
| 01:50.48 | Trela | Corrodias: They had already been making a shit ton off them. Might as well! |
| 01:50.57 | JunkHead | awesome, so I still wont play it. |
| 01:50.58 | JunkHead | YES! |
| 01:56.34 | A-KO | sigh, so many people bitching about the authenticator change |
| 01:56.49 | A-KO | yet Google and FB have a similar system in place :( |
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| 02:00.12 | Wobin | A-KO: You really think FB is a company to look towards for privacy and security progress? =P |
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| 02:16.14 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/ea-buying-popcap-case-93068/ $1 Billion |
| 02:16.47 | A-KO | Wobin: Well, keep in mind that this class of two-factor is meant to guard against a very specific type of attack. :P |
| 02:18.22 | Kraps | sucker punch is out on dvd |
| 02:20.22 | A-KO | that's a very strange movie |
| 02:20.25 | A-KO | sad :( |
| 02:21.22 | Kraps | no spoilers yet kthnx |
| 02:21.31 | A-KO | if you don't mind strange... |
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| 03:21.07 | TMc51 | so, I'm lookin at laptops, and pretty much dead-set on getting an AMD fusion laptop. Which comapny do people prefer, Toshiba, Gateway, HP, or Sony? |
| 03:22.32 | Shirik | ew |
| 03:22.34 | Shirik | why AMD |
| 03:22.44 | Kraps | dell |
| 03:22.52 | TMc51 | Kraps: NO! |
| 03:22.56 | Kraps | dell |
| 03:23.00 | TMc51 | Shirik: Better price/performance ratio |
| 03:23.02 | Wobin | http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/ |
| 03:23.15 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:23.34 | Kraps | seems legit Wobin |
| 03:23.47 | Kraps | also http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/ is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Phishing |
| 03:23.59 | TMc51 | This was a test. You have failed it. |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | haha Kraps |
| 03:24.18 | Shirik | also, I typed in a bunch of crap just to see what it did |
| 03:24.31 | TMc51 | i left it blank and hit enter |
| 03:25.07 | Shirik | oh, even better :P |
| 03:25.13 | Wobin | A personal fave: "Eye-level arch play devoisters" which is Strine for "I'll have a large plate of oysters". |
| 03:25.20 | Wobin | (as a complete aside) |
| 03:26.03 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:26.11 | Shirik | <!-- wouldn't want to use a visa logo without permission from Visa would we... --> |
| 03:26.13 | Shirik | <!-- <img style="padding-left: 2em;" src="vbvleftnavverified.gif" /> --> |
| 03:26.15 | Shirik | <!--<img src="wesnoth_shield.png" />--> |
| 03:26.40 | Kraps | so far the extra footage in sucker punch is a huge burlesque song and dance number |
| 03:27.21 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 03:27.34 | Shirik | apparently godaddy automatically flagged them as a phishing site too :P http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/anti-phishing.jpg |
| 03:35.17 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: during the credits? |
| 03:35.34 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: no, near the beginning |
| 03:36.24 | Kraps | after she gets into the asylum |
| 03:37.14 | Cide | the delay on guardian spirit is such a fucking bitch |
| 03:37.59 | Wobin | hm, I totally want http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sgfdfgdf-fgdfgdfg/10/659/832 in my linkedin network |
| 03:38.11 | Shirik | I know seriously Cide |
| 03:38.15 | Shirik | what's the deal with that |
| 03:38.22 | Shirik | I've gotten people to die so many times due to that |
| 03:38.36 | Cide | cooldown + death is fun stuff |
| 03:38.38 | Shirik | to the point where my raid team is making fun of me about it now |
| 03:38.55 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: the part that ends with sweet pea? |
| 03:39.37 | Kraps | not sure what you mean Arrowmaster |
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| 03:39.46 | Arrowmaster | maybe its not in my copy |
| 03:40.31 | Kraps | the cook attacks her? |
| 03:41.32 | Shirik | Cide |
| 03:41.41 | Shirik | you should transfer |
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| 03:45.16 | Shirik | o.O |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | A Tsunami Warning is now in effect which includes the coastal areas of Alaska from Unimak Pass, Alaska (80 miles NE of Dutch Harbor) to Amchitka Pass, Alaska (125 miles W of Adak). |
| 03:45.30 | Shirik | At 7:10 PM Alaskan Daylight Time on June 23, an earthquake with preliminary magnitude 7.3 occurred 20 miles/32 Km southeast of Amukta Pass, Alaska . |
| 03:45.36 | TMc51 | Tsunami in Alaska? lol |
| 03:45.40 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:45.45 | Cide | at this point I'm screaming enough at my own raid |
| 03:45.53 | Cide | but I can probably transfer |
| 03:46.05 | Arrowmaster | what hits ice, who cares |
| 03:46.09 | Arrowmaster | water |
| 03:47.15 | TMc51 | but then all of the igloos will be wiped out |
| 03:51.28 | Dagmar | Angry polar bears surfing into town on giant waves of freezing water. |
| 03:51.52 | Dagmar | The only thing worse than a tsunami is a tsunami filled with polar bears |
| 03:51.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:52.20 | TMc51 | nah, there's worse |
| 03:52.35 | TMc51 | a tsunami with penguins surfing on polar bears surfing on large chunks of ice. |
| 03:52.41 | Shirik | yay Cide :D |
| 03:52.48 | Shirik | you should raid with us tomorrow |
| 03:54.12 | Thunder_Child | i'd raid with you baby |
| 03:54.20 | Shirik | o.o |
| 03:54.27 | Dagmar | Maybe if the penguins were rabid or heavily armed or something |
| 03:55.10 | TMc51 | the penguins are rocking out with guitars that shoot lazers |
| 03:55.19 | Dagmar | hehe |
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| 03:59.00 | Shirik | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6463157/what-is-meaning-by-refreshing-when-i-press-f5-key-on-computer |
| 03:59.22 | kd3 | seriously? on stackoverflow? |
| 03:59.34 | TMc51 | no comment |
| 03:59.41 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 04:02.19 | Kraps | i think they mean when you right click the desktop |
| 04:02.30 | Kraps | theres a refresh option |
| 04:06.20 | sylvanaar | i have finally begun to use MQ its actually really neat, any of you used it? |
| 04:08.01 | sylvanaar | stackable shelves |
| 04:09.03 | Dagmar | MQ? |
| 04:09.20 | sylvanaar | mercurial queues |
| 04:10.10 | Dagmar | Oh my! |
| 04:10.15 | Dagmar | Daddy like |
| 04:10.50 | sylvanaar | i cant tell if you are serious |
| 04:11.33 | Arrowmaster | neither can i since you are supposed to make fun of mercurial users in this channel |
| 04:11.53 | sylvanaar | i thought we were past that already |
| 04:12.19 | kd3 | past making fun of hg users? never! |
| 04:12.29 | Arrowmaster | see |
| 04:12.40 | sylvanaar | lets move that to #riftuidev |
| 04:12.57 | sylvanaar | thats the latest hotspot |
| 04:13.19 | TMc51 | the cool kids hang out in #riftuidev |
| 04:13.20 | Dagmar | I gotta use hg at work now |
| 04:13.38 | Thunder_Child | the cool kids dont hang out in irc at all |
| 04:13.58 | Arrowmaster | why would i goto #riftuidev, i dont play rift or develop addons for it |
| 04:13.59 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 04:14.04 | TMc51 | no, the cool kids are all dropouts on the street acting like thugs and living off of welfare. |
| 04:14.16 | Arrowmaster | looks at this channels name |
| 04:14.20 | Dagmar | This thing will expedite what we're using mercurial for |
| 04:14.42 | Thunder_Child | you can be cool and successful, they are not mutually exclusive |
| 04:14.43 | Dagmar | Push config change, mod picks it up, packages, pushes out to machine, logs change entries |
| 04:15.36 | sylvanaar | you lost me |
| 04:17.07 | Dagmar | That's okay because the whole thing makes my head swim and I'm using it |
| 04:17.22 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 04:18.02 | sylvanaar | the only reason i can even attempt to use MQ is that tortoiseHG has an interface for it |
| 04:18.26 | Dagmar | we're not messing about with manually pushing packages to servers individually because it invariably leads to tons of things that are "not quite" the same as the others |
| 04:19.24 | sylvanaar | so you do what |
| 04:19.37 | sylvanaar | push patches? |
| 04:19.47 | Dagmar | We're moving stuff over to system profiles and images |
| 04:20.13 | Dagmar | Gotta change the smart relay target for a buncha hosts at once? No problem. |
| 04:20.34 | sylvanaar | i see |
| 04:20.58 | Dagmar | It boils down to we either start doing it this way, or we stay in troubleshooting hell |
| 04:21.17 | Dagmar | I'd not gotten to the part about queues until you mentioned it |
| 04:21.26 | sylvanaar | oh, i see |
| 04:21.59 | Dagmar | Particularly since we've got multiple RHEL revisions floating around, as well as Solaris |
| 04:23.00 | sylvanaar | is there a git equivalent to MQ? |
| 04:23.09 | Dagmar | DUnno |
| 04:24.06 | Dagmar | I've not looked into git enough to even know if it can do things based on what you push into it |
| 04:25.09 | Thunder_Child | thats what she said? |
| 04:25.53 | Dagmar | I was a little peeved about us getting Yet Another Goddamn RCS until I found out it can fire triggers on the backed |
| 04:25.58 | Dagmar | er backend |
| 04:26.28 | Dagmar | RCS over NFS was always fine with me |
| 04:26.44 | Dagmar | ...then came CVS. Then SVN. Now people want you to learn git as well. |
| 04:26.47 | sylvanaar | you mean shared folders? |
| 04:26.48 | Dagmar | ...and now ANOTHER goddamn RCS |
| 04:26.55 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:27.31 | sylvanaar | hg is really easy if you are familiar with svn. git not so much so |
| 04:29.04 | Kraps | holy crap this movie is win |
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| 04:33.34 | Dagmar | "Wilfred" is just *wrong* |
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| 05:04.06 | Wobin | wilfred is -very- Australian |
| 05:04.17 | Wobin | I'm not sure how well it translates |
| 05:06.27 | Shirik | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6463607/how-to-do-customize-array-in-php |
| 05:07.41 | Cide | Shirik: I told you, I can't raid tomorrow |
| 05:07.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:08.07 | Torhal | sylvanaar: The only thing about Hg/Mercurial (how the FUCK are they the same RCS?!?) that makes me want to kick puppies is the fact that it lacks the staging Git has. |
| 05:08.19 | Shirik | Hg == mercury |
| 05:08.37 | Torhal | With Git, I can code non-stop for hours and then say "Oh, shit. I should commit some changes" then go through and stage hunks of code for a single commit. |
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| 05:08.52 | Torhal | Shirik: I know this, I was just wondering why there are two terms for the same RCS |
| 05:08.57 | sylvanaar | you mean with rebase interactive? |
| 05:09.03 | Shirik | Like p4 and perforce? |
| 05:09.06 | Wobin | because Mercurial is too long to type |
| 05:09.09 | Arrowmaster | he means with git add -p |
| 05:09.15 | Shirik | or svn and subversion? |
| 05:09.17 | sylvanaar | Hg is the symbol for the element Mercury |
| 05:09.23 | Wobin | ^ |
| 05:09.29 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Oh. |
| 05:09.35 | Torhal | Now I won't go all OCD every time I see it then. |
| 05:09.38 | Shirik | isn't that what I said :/ |
| 05:09.50 | Wobin | Shirik: not specifically |
| 05:09.54 | Torhal | Shirik: You lack context. |
| 05:09.59 | Wobin | ^ |
| 05:10.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:10.52 | sylvanaar | you have to use an extension to do what you are talking about in Hg Torhal |
| 05:11.12 | Thunder_Child | it's ok Shirik, the people that took chem understood you |
| 05:11.25 | sylvanaar | histedit is the most like Git |
| 05:11.45 | Torhal | I seriously doubt said extension will work in a graphical environment. Selecting individual lines or hunks and staging them for a pending commit is just sooooo nice. |
| 05:11.53 | Fisker | omg i came Shirik |
| 05:12.08 | sylvanaar | if you want to do individual hunks you can use MQ |
| 05:12.10 | Thunder_Child | so is the fact that TF2 is not free to play a slap in the face for the people that bought it? |
| 05:12.17 | sylvanaar | and tortoiseHG |
| 05:12.39 | Torhal | sylvanaar: I use SourceTree on the Mac. |
| 05:12.45 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 05:12.57 | sylvanaar | does it support MQ/ |
| 05:13.05 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: not f2p? |
| 05:13.20 | Torhal | Not that I'm aware, but I haven't looked to see if it has plugin-support for extensions. |
| 05:13.31 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: "Thereâs no catch! Play as much as you want, as long as you like!" |
| 05:13.43 | Wobin | I thought it -was- f2p |
| 05:13.54 | Thunder_Child | oh...i meant to say now |
| 05:13.57 | Thunder_Child | not not |
| 05:13.58 | Wobin | ah |
| 05:14.06 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: undoubtedly |
| 05:14.11 | Arrowmaster | its free now? |
| 05:14.15 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:14.16 | sylvanaar | Torhal: it says "not yet" on their website |
| 05:14.20 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/ |
| 05:14.26 | Torhal | Urk |
| 05:14.48 | Thunder_Child | i think that game has the most steam Achievements |
| 05:14.55 | Thunder_Child | 378 is a lot |
| 05:15.11 | Fisker | yeah Thunder_Child |
| 05:15.14 | Fisker | i demand a refund |
| 05:15.22 | Thunder_Child | good luck on that |
| 05:15.34 | Arrowmaster | i got it as part of orange box |
| 05:16.07 | Arrowmaster | "172 of 378 Achievements Earned" |
| 05:16.30 | Thunder_Child | i think i have 5 |
| 05:17.11 | Arrowmaster | every now and then i screw around and start up TF2 and go earn a bunch of class achievements |
| 05:17.14 | Thunder_Child | i lied, i have 10 |
| 05:17.53 | sylvanaar | Torhal: http://jasonfharris.com/machg/ has a gui for histedit |
| 05:19.08 | sylvanaar | it isnt that special i guess: http://jasonfharris.com/machg/screenshots/files/collage_lb_image_page6_25_1.png |
| 05:20.08 | airtonix | someone mad? |
| 05:20.13 | airtonix | Torhal: ustalin? |
| 05:20.24 | airtonix | broseph |
| 05:21.09 | Torhal | airtonix: Woor! |
| 05:21.21 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Hrm. I may loot into that |
| 05:22.13 | airtonix | i loot you |
| 05:22.50 | Kraps | OMG I DONT GET THIS MOVIE |
| 05:23.08 | airtonix | #wowuidev, the movie |
| 05:23.36 | Kraps | off to wiki and tvtropes |
| 05:24.02 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: sucker punch? yeah i didnt get it either |
| 05:24.10 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:24.35 | Arrowmaster | other than a lot of T&A, i got that part |
| 05:24.49 | Thunder_Child | i was impressed at their level of detail in the CGI, but it was still a meh movie |
| 05:25.22 | airtonix | Kraps: it's because you're a guy |
| 05:25.39 | Kraps | t & a, guns, dragons, mechs, i get all of that |
| 05:25.42 | airtonix | and you're obviously not mentally scarred |
| 05:26.09 | airtonix | Crazy People(tm) like me on the other hand. |
| 05:26.22 | airtonix | endured the trials of the SnakePit(tm) |
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| 05:28.45 | Kraps | soundtrack is great |
| 05:29.50 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 05:30.04 | mckenziemc | hey Fiskraps |
| 05:30.07 | mckenziemc | mmm Fiskraps |
| 05:31.00 | Kraps | basically everything is real, just the whole brothel thing was imagined |
| 05:31.00 | Fisker | hey mckenziemc |
| 05:31.01 | Fisker | i farted |
| 05:35.58 | Fisker | what should a free fisker do Kraps ? |
| 05:36.14 | Kraps | play TF2, for free |
| 05:37.26 | Fisker | no thank you |
| 05:38.41 | Kraps | its freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 05:47.04 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: baby doll isnt the protagonist |
| 05:47.22 | Kraps | probably |
| 05:47.38 | Kraps | this calls for http://inception.davepedu.com/ |
| 05:50.34 | Thunder_Child | i have gone through 5 SC2 patches so far while updating |
| 05:51.08 | Shirik | Kraps: awesome |
| 05:52.24 | Thunder_Child | 6 |
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| 05:59.19 | Thunder_Child | why has steam still not implemented the option to play a game and have downloads continue to run. |
| 06:00.31 | Corrodias | you can force it to continue after launching a game by pausing and resuming the download |
| 06:00.41 | Corrodias | to answer your question, i have no idea why. |
| 06:03.13 | Thunder_Child | didnt know that, thanks |
| 06:03.46 | Corrodias | be advised that network traffic can actually take a notable amount of cpu time. that's probably why it pauses them by default. |
| 06:04.32 | Thunder_Child | any different than running a torrent in the background? |
| 06:04.57 | Corrodias | i wouldn't think so. |
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| 06:38.31 | AcidWeb | So... Any drastic API changes in 4.2? Not counting CLEU. |
| 06:41.12 | AcidWeb | I hope they not mess MMR fields in GetBattlefieldScore() |
| 06:41.23 | Corrodias | yes: all addons are banned now |
| 06:41.35 | AcidWeb | As they removed MMR column from arena score screen. |
| 06:44.02 | Corrodias | they're replacing it with MMX |
| 06:44.16 | Corrodias | you will now pvp by playing Mega Man X competetively |
| 06:44.41 | AcidWeb | YAY |
| 06:44.59 | AcidWeb | I hope that my resto shaman also will get banana bombs. |
| 06:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | that makes me want to replace my raid warning sound with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5TBeX405bc [possibly NSFW audio, i forget] |
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| 07:45.22 | zenzio | "The difference between long long and long is long." |
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| 07:56.26 | airtonix | really? |
| 07:57.13 | Kalroth | No, the difference between long long and long is dumb. |
| 07:58.45 | zenzio | it is, but I'm not sure what else they could've called it. verylong? |
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| 08:10.55 | zenzio | "Why do I need such weird syntax for "reference to array of fixed size"?" -- "Because the C declaration syntax was designed to punish mankind for its sins." |
| 08:20.19 | airtonix | Cide: i don't like solr |
| 08:21.06 | airtonix | why is `manage.py build_solr_schema > filename` not dumping the stuff it puts on stdout into the file |
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| 08:25.45 | zenzio | airtonix: unless something's going wrong in the file and it's not generating output, maybe it's writing to stderr? |
| 08:26.49 | airtonix | manage.py build_solr_schema | wc returns the screens of solrsschema xml and then 0 0 0 |
| 08:27.29 | airtonix | whats that thing that redirects stdout stderr and all that ? &1>&2 ? |
| 08:28.29 | airtonix | manage.py build_solr_schema 2> ./schema.xml |
| 08:29.01 | airtonix | ffs i know why it was doing that |
| 08:29.10 | zenzio | how come? |
| 08:29.45 | airtonix | when you run manage.py it loads up your django project like the wsgi would when it gets served by apache |
| 08:30.02 | airtonix | now the previous developer has put in the top of the settings module : |
| 08:30.12 | airtonix | sys.stdout = sys.stderr |
| 08:30.28 | airtonix | so now i have to go through the code and replace ALLL the stupid shit he did |
| 08:30.39 | airtonix | search for : print, replace it with proper python logging |
| 08:30.56 | airtonix | effing rofl |
| 08:31.07 | zenzio | ouch :) |
| 08:31.15 | airtonix | he did that so he could print to the apache error logs |
| 08:31.19 | airtonix | :< |
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| 08:35.38 | zenzio | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/funny-celebrity-pictures-lady-gaga.jpg |
| 08:41.18 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/job-fails-love-for-dorks.jpg |
| 08:41.30 | Cairenn | ROFL! |
| 08:41.31 | zenzio | TC would love that one |
| 08:41.42 | Cairenn | I like that. I like it a lot. |
| 08:46.22 | Momro | Hmmm, Ackis? |
| 08:46.34 | airtonix | i don't understand |
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| 10:11.14 | karl_w_w | how do you do that inline citation needed thing on wikipedia? |
| 10:15.11 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: edit a page and see |
| 10:15.14 | jnwhiteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communicating_sequential_processes&action=edit for example |
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| 10:17.58 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed |
| 10:20.35 | karl_w_w | ty |
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| 10:59.09 | Wobin | http://www.dianeduane.com/images/csi-medieval-times.jpg |
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| 11:48.45 | Xubera | okay, so im trying to make this bag sorter, and i have my disheveled inventory, then I run my function, and my sorted inventory forms correctly, but how can i move my items in my bags around to coorespond with my sorted list. I tried assigning original bag locations, then moving the items based off their old location, but I cant figure out a way to update a location if two items end up switching places |
| 11:51.10 | Xubera | so like if my hearthstone is in bag 0 slot 1, and my guild tabard is in bag 0 slot 2 and my Pygmy oil is in bag 0 slot 3, if my sorted list wants the order to be Pygmy oil, hearthstone, guild tabard, it will move oil to the first slot, (and using PickupContainerItem) will move my hearthstone to the 3rd slot, but that doesnt update my data, so it sitll thinks the hearthstone is in bag 0 slot 1, when my pygmy oil is |
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| 12:03.23 | Wobin | Xubera: I'd suggest looking at MrPlow, but that might not help... the actual sorting has been somewhat abstractde |
| 12:03.36 | Wobin | Xubera: but you basically want to do a few passes of your inventory |
| 12:03.49 | Xubera | well i have it set up to be able to do multiple passes |
| 12:03.55 | Xubera | because of the locked inventory slots |
| 12:03.58 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:04.05 | Wobin | well, either you update your own information as you go |
| 12:04.15 | Wobin | or you rescan the bags for what it -thinks- is the current setup |
| 12:04.26 | Xubera | but the issue is im not sure how to update my info, unless I just need to do a ipairs and search every table |
| 12:04.42 | Wobin | well, you have a table of the initial order of items |
| 12:04.51 | Xubera | oh, like maybe do one pass, then resort my bags |
| 12:04.52 | Wobin | and a table with the finished sorted order |
| 12:05.18 | Xubera | yeah, i was trying to do that, but i was wondering on how i should update the info |
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| 12:05.41 | Wobin | the inventory is pretty fast to update, internally |
| 12:05.44 | Wobin | aside from locked slots |
| 12:06.02 | Xubera | like if i moved my oil to slot 1, and my hearthstone is now in slot 3, i was trying to figure out what I should do to update the hearthstones new location before processing it |
| 12:06.02 | karl_w_w | jnwhiteh: can I suggest a lightheaded parse before/when 4.2 lands? :P |
| 12:06.14 | jnwhiteh | i can do before, if the sntax hasn't changed |
| 12:06.21 | Wobin | Xubera: you'll have to update your own data |
| 12:06.23 | jnwhiteh | but i have to wait for stuff to be on the db before I can parse for post-4.2 |
| 12:06.41 | Wobin | Xubera: or, as I've ended up doing, just rescan the bags to get the new positions of the items |
| 12:07.18 | karl_w_w | yeah |
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| 12:22.57 | Xubera | Wobin: Thanks for your help, ill work on it tomorrow, I think im attacking this from the wrong angle, so I'll get a fresh start tomorrow |
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| 12:25.09 | Wobin | nods |
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| 12:55.53 | Adys | I'm IRCing on a 52" tv |
| 12:55.55 | Adys | \o/ |
| 12:56.19 | zenzio | 1920x1080? |
| 12:56.45 | Adys | i dont know and I dont care |
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| 13:03.27 | Adys | zenzelezz: i just opened yesterday's mythbusters |
| 13:03.50 | Adys | "On this episode of mythbusters... can you really use mirrors and the sun..." |
| 13:03.55 | Adys | i thought "what not again" |
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| 13:06.51 | cbreak_work | I am IRCing on a computer with two 1920x1200 screens. |
| 13:07.43 | Kalroth | I'm IRCing on my 1.4" pocket watch |
| 13:07.46 | TMc51 | Well, I'm IRCing on three 2560x100 screens. |
| 13:07.55 | TMc51 | *2560x1600 |
| 13:08.16 | TMc51 | Nah, I wish. /cry |
| 13:22.39 | Dagmar | adys: That they failed is just kinda sad |
| 13:25.53 | Adys | Dagmar: failed what? |
| 13:26.01 | Dagmar | At burning things with solar power |
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| 13:50.25 | Kraps | Cars 2 37% dawwwwwww |
| 13:51.37 | Kraps | there goes pixars streak |
| 13:53.35 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:53.47 | Dagmar | Cars 2: Francise Cash-in Theater |
| 13:54.08 | Kraps | aint that the truth |
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| 13:58.11 | Kraps | cant find the article about the inevitable cars 3, cars 4, cars 5, and cars vs predator |
| 14:00.45 | Elkano | cars vs transformers? ;) |
| 14:01.25 | Kraps | the guy was saying that cars is one of disneys biggest merch franchises in history, so it gets sequels by default |
| 14:02.03 | airtonix | Adys: pfff, i'm irc on a 1.5m lcd screen at the moment |
| 14:03.55 | airtonix | Kraps: Oil, the sequel? |
| 14:04.25 | Kraps | wat |
| 14:04.51 | bluspacecow | that sounds like the kinky remake of it |
| 14:06.02 | airtonix | It's made by Dubbya |
| 14:08.27 | Xubera | im IRCing with smoke signals |
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| 14:27.39 | Ackis | ~seen momro |
| 14:27.44 | purl | momro <~Miranda@HSI-KBW-109-192-043-161.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5h 41m 22s ago, saying: 'Hmmm, Ackis?'. |
| 14:28.15 | Ackis | anyone really smrt with bios settings? |
| 14:28.44 | bluspacecow | erm |
| 14:28.46 | Xinhuan | what about it? |
| 14:28.52 | bluspacecow | i may know how to set it to blow up your car |
| 14:29.09 | bluspacecow | don't think you want that |
| 14:29.26 | Xinhuan | you can also typically download the motherboard manual free |
| 14:29.30 | Ackis | I need to know what "Controller Mode" (AHCI/IDE) for my J-Micron SATA/PATA controller should be, and I need to know what "Configure SATA as (AHCI/RAID/IDE)" should be set as |
| 14:29.32 | Xinhuan | which includes all the bios settings |
| 14:29.46 | Ackis | currently have the first one set to IDE and the second set to AHCI |
| 14:29.59 | Xinhuan | probably ACHI for all of them |
| 14:30.28 | Xinhuan | if windows doesn't boot properly, then switch it to IDE |
| 14:30.44 | Ackis | on the Controller all I have is my dvd-drive |
| 14:31.21 | Xinhuan | are you installing windows or? |
| 14:31.36 | Ackis | windows 7 |
| 14:31.43 | Ackis | my bios got reset on this machine |
| 14:32.00 | Xinhuan | just set everything to ACHI |
| 14:33.00 | Xinhuan | it shouldn't be IDE unless your harddrive is an IDE one (lol) |
| 14:33.12 | Ackis | and do you have any experience with Asus motherboards? I have an option for AI overclock and its set to auto |
| 14:33.25 | Xinhuan | just use the defaults |
| 14:33.39 | Xinhuan | after you get your OS installed and working, THEN you worry about overclocking |
| 14:34.06 | Ackis | it is installed :P |
| 14:34.13 | Xinhuan | the reason why you want to set the controllers to ACHI is because if you set them to IDE, and later switch them to ACHI, windows 7/vista won't boot up |
| 14:34.15 | Ackis | I'm on it right now |
| 14:34.43 | Xinhuan | because windows wouldn't install the needed ACHI drivers at first install |
| 14:36.06 | Xinhuan | IDE mode is mainly a legacy support mode for operating systems that don't recognize SATA devices |
| 14:36.13 | Xinhuan | something like that |
| 14:39.57 | Ackis | thanks <3 |
| 14:42.04 | sylvanaar_work | AHCI lets you use NCQ |
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| 15:17.54 | Thunder_Child | there is no need to ping me for puns zenzelezz, really. |
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| 15:28.30 | Kraps | my gosh, hulu played an ad for hulu + xbox with voice commands |
| 15:28.49 | Kraps | ITS QUICKER TO HIT A BUTTON ON A REMOTE |
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| 15:50.21 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:50.50 | Kraps | http://www.hulu.com/watch/252871/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-youre-welcome-hacker-threat#s-p1-sr-i1 |
| 15:51.42 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M |
| 15:51.48 | bluspacecow | why no bike helmets ? |
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| 16:00.52 | Fisker | fuck bender |
| 16:00.57 | Fisker | he said macs were superior :( |
| 16:01.15 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 16:01.18 | bluspacecow | who did ? |
| 16:01.22 | Fisker | bender |
| 16:01.39 | bluspacecow | was he trolling yopu ? |
| 16:01.44 | Fisker | maybe he was |
| 16:02.16 | TMc51 | Did you bite his shiny metal ass? |
| 16:03.26 | Fisker | i wish |
| 16:05.00 | airtonix | http://screamyguy.net |
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| 16:14.11 | airtonix | lol |
| 16:14.12 | airtonix | http://screamyguy.net/fractal/index.htm |
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| 16:16.47 | Thunder_Child | oh, look, yet another FPS where the player is a target prioritized over all others. |
| 16:16.55 | Lunessa | Macs are superior computers. They are elegant and easy to use. They are well-designed for visual appeal. They are rugged and enduring. They are not perfect, but no modern computer is. |
| 16:17.23 | Lunessa | watches Fisker's head explode. |
| 16:17.44 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 16:24.46 | Thunder_Child | actually, yes |
| 16:27.14 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/chatroulette-trolling-untitled39.jpg |
| 16:29.00 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: who then should the game pioritize, npcs? |
| 16:30.15 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i was behind a tiny slit in the wall behind all of my npc teamamtes, yet the majority of the baddies targeted me |
| 16:30.34 | bluspacecow | awwwwww |
| 16:30.38 | bluspacecow | they just love you i guess |
| 16:30.48 | Thunder_Child | love me with bullets.... |
| 16:31.05 | Kraps | not sure what your complaint is |
| 16:31.21 | Thunder_Child | why would they be targeting me over them? they were far more exposed |
| 16:32.09 | bluspacecow | 'cause you're sexier |
| 16:32.50 | Kraps | you're the protagonist, the catalyst, the killer, the player, the enemy slayer |
| 16:33.03 | Thunder_Child | and they are going for 'realism' |
| 16:33.08 | Thunder_Child | or so they say |
| 16:34.09 | Kraps | story-wise, MoH is more realistic gameplay-wise |
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| 16:46.44 | Fisker | hey Lunessa |
| 16:58.30 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: who was talking about MoH? |
| 16:59.07 | Kraps | i just did :p |
| 16:59.34 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kraps |
| 16:59.34 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Kraps |
| 17:00.00 | Kraps | ~whaleparry Thunder_Child |
| 17:00.00 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Thunder_Child's attacks. |
| 17:00.16 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap Kraps |
| 17:00.17 | purl | ACTION slaps Kraps around with a slice of rocquefort |
| 17:00.57 | Lunessa | It's probably a result of biological impulses, but we human males like to "push" or "throw" or otherwise convey emotion but making something physical cross space to impact/splash or penetrate the object of our emotions. |
| 17:01.30 | Kraps | ~whaleblock Thunder_Child |
| 17:01.30 | purl | ACTION shields Thunder_Child with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 17:01.39 | Kraps | oh crap |
| 17:01.45 | Thunder_Child | ~whalenuke Kraps |
| 17:01.45 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Kraps with his mind powers. |
| 17:01.49 | Thunder_Child | oh, heh |
| 17:01.58 | Thunder_Child | wrong target |
| 17:02.24 | Kraps | stupid whales dont come with instructions |
| 17:02.41 | Thunder_Child | there is also ~whaleshiled and ~dodge |
| 17:02.49 | Thunder_Child | shield* |
| 17:02.57 | Fisker | Thunder_Child is spy |
| 17:03.14 | Thunder_Child | for whom? |
| 17:03.38 | Kraps | biologically dissects Lunessa |
| 17:04.15 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: bullets only convey 2 types of emotion |
| 17:04.36 | Thunder_Child | love is not one of them |
| 17:04.54 | Lunessa | Yeah, well monkeys squib on those they hate as much as those they love. |
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| 17:11.33 | Gnarfoz | most android owners probably have heard of Google Goggles... I just took a picture of my screen while standing before Omnotron (listening to tactics blah on Voice): Goggles fucking recognized "Omnitron Defense System". What the hell? :D |
| 17:12.51 | Thunder_Child | yea, because google isnt filled with geeks or anything |
| 17:13.29 | Gnarfoz | google image search (by images) is pretty good ;) |
| 17:14.58 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: hahaha |
| 17:16.15 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTR52YWIUnI&feature=related |
| 17:16.31 | Wobin | you should all watch this series, cause Warren Ellis is badass |
| 17:17.44 | bluspacecow | ~whalenuke purl |
| 17:17.44 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around purl with his mind powers. |
| 17:26.08 | Lunessa | Warren Ellis is more than just bad ass. He's brilliant, funny, and BADASS! |
| 17:29.18 | Lunessa | ": What do you consider when looking at whether a class is doing too much or too little damage? â Merovin (LA) |
| 17:29.18 | Lunessa | A: As you probably suspect, we have a simple counter that measures the number of forum posts on a given class and we buff or nerf accordingly." - The first bit of the answer is a joke, and it's hilarious. |
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| 17:33.01 | olafski | I can't find the spot where you can pose your character for the armory.. anyone remember where it is? :) |
| 17:34.09 | bluspacecow | th g-spot |
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| 17:34.57 | Lunessa | olafski: I think that feature isn't active currently. |
| 17:37.11 | olafski | oh damn |
| 17:37.22 | olafski | my human was posed nicely.. now I switched him to orc and I can't pose him anymore :( |
| 17:37.27 | Lunessa | I think it went out with the revamp to the noew armory format |
| 17:39.05 | airtonix | yo Fisker , spy this : http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/f/f8/Shoe_on_head.jpg |
| 17:39.11 | olafski | shame =( though that 3d display was annoying |
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| 17:43.29 | foxlit | Dear EA: No I don't want an unchangeable slug to identify me on your webpages forever. Love, me. |
| 17:45.20 | GhostfromTexas | hey guys having a problem... still new to LUA http://pastebin.com/ZYjq9CmD working on creating my own objects to use in my addon... the object seems to be created just fine, but doing card:print() is giving me a nil value error.. |
| 17:45.30 | GhostfromTexas | i've tried to setup this member function several different ways.. |
| 17:45.39 | GhostfromTexas | any insight on the problem will be appreciated! |
| 17:46.52 | foxlit | teehee, OO in Lua. |
| 17:47.47 | foxlit | You're basically going to have to fake the entire paradigm if you want to go that way, which doesn't sound very friendly if you're still getting started. |
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| 17:48.20 | GhostfromTexas | well what's interesting is that i can do print(card.name); and stuff which works fine |
| 17:48.34 | GhostfromTexas | but you are saying that member methods are not that easy to achieve? |
| 17:49.12 | foxlit | It's a one liner, but it's one that shouldn't really be entered into lightly :) |
| 17:49.24 | GhostfromTexas | why is that? |
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| 17:49.39 | foxlit | Because Lua, internally, is blissfully unaware of any object semantics. |
| 17:50.00 | GhostfromTexas | yeah was reading that |
| 17:50.02 | foxlit | Your new method simply creates a new table (no relation to CardObject) and sets a pair of keys on it before returning. |
| 17:50.23 | foxlit | So when you try calling print, it'll go "what print? I don't know any print!" at you |
| 17:50.38 | GhostfromTexas | ahh ok.. |
| 17:50.41 | GhostfromTexas | that makes sense |
| 17:50.46 | foxlit | You could, for instance, add self.print = CardObject.print |
| 17:50.58 | foxlit | which would take the function you define and add it to the table you return |
| 17:51.06 | GhostfromTexas | because in lua functions can be used as variables.. |
| 17:51.35 | foxlit | Indeed. It's just another value type. |
| 17:52.09 | foxlit | then, when you end up doing :new():print(), it'll look up print in the table your new method returns, find a function, and call it |
| 17:52.43 | foxlit | However, you probably don't want to add a key/value pair for every method you intend to support |
| 17:54.05 | GhostfromTexas | hmm |
| 17:54.40 | foxlit | To that end, Lua supports metatables -- which can be used to specify what should be done when various operations on an table are performed; for instance, what should be returned if the key you're looking up is not found in the table. |
| 17:54.55 | foxlit | You could use that mechanism to provide your method functions rather than including them in every table. |
| 17:55.52 | Wobin | But, to reiterate the initial statement, if you're only just learning Lua, you're better off not trying this =) |
| 17:56.12 | GhostfromTexas | well i know a bit of lua.. i figured this was common practice haha |
| 17:56.14 | bluspacecow | why start out too complicated ? |
| 17:56.16 | GhostfromTexas | i've made a few addons |
| 17:56.41 | GhostfromTexas | i made a module for Auctioneer called EasyBuyout.. and another addon called Cancelator |
| 17:56.53 | GhostfromTexas | i figured this was a basic thing |
| 17:56.59 | GhostfromTexas | so i stated i was new haha |
| 17:57.56 | Wobin | the hoops you have to jump through to get OO, generally aren't worth it, for addons |
| 17:58.03 | foxlit | I don't think it's actually a common thing to implement -- most of the time it's actually not that convinient. |
| 17:58.09 | GhostfromTexas | and I am actually a software engineer irl :P just don't mess with lua much |
| 17:58.15 | GhostfromTexas | hmm |
| 17:58.43 | foxlit | I'm thinking you're trying to translate what you've learned in another object oriented language into Lua, which is sometimes not the best course of action. |
| 17:58.45 | GhostfromTexas | could probably just use the table method then to store grouing of info.. and any functions i want to use, just make general functions |
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| 17:59.00 | GhostfromTexas | yeah i am fluent in c++/c |
| 17:59.09 | GhostfromTexas | so many differences between them haha |
| 17:59.19 | GhostfromTexas | i will redesign what i am trying to do then |
| 17:59.28 | foxlit | The python guys have a term called "unpythonic" -- for when you're trying to do something that would make sense, but not in python, and end up making your life overly complicated. |
| 17:59.56 | GhostfromTexas | so stay away from an OOP design in lua.. |
| 18:00.18 | foxlit | Unless you feel like you really need OO, yeah. |
| 18:00.45 | GhostfromTexas | well i can get around it for this addon, i just want my code to be clean and nice, OOP would have worked well, but it's not necessary |
| 18:01.17 | GhostfromTexas | making an addon called DeckMaker, going to keep track of the DMF cards on all your characters, show you what's missing to make a deck |
| 18:01.43 | GhostfromTexas | all that jazz |
| 18:02.42 | GhostfromTexas | but i appreciate the input foxlit and wobin |
| 18:02.48 | GhostfromTexas | but now.. foodz |
| 18:03.14 | foxlit | I wish SC2 picked up on the authenticator magic :( |
| 18:03.56 | foxlit | keeps the log-in button disabled until you actually type out the code. |
| 18:04.10 | Kraps | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/308933/news/sony-laid-off-security-staff-two-weeks-before-psn-hack/ |
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| 18:07.03 | Wobin | Kraps: It was too late at that point probably, anyway =P |
| 18:07.47 | Wobin | also, that article really says nothing at all =P |
| 18:08.09 | Wobin | and tries to emphasise the loss of security, when in fact, it appears to be general workforce layoffs =P |
| 18:08.41 | Wobin | the amount of scare quotes in that article render it useless =P |
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| 18:12.18 | Kraps | well this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdeY1v6jC7Q |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker | a wild gaben appears Kraps ? |
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| 18:39.51 | sylvanaar_work | foxlit: use winauth |
| 18:40.20 | foxlit | hm? |
| 18:40.22 | sylvanaar_work | for authenticator magic |
| 18:41.35 | foxlit | That kind of ruins the point, though |
| 18:41.40 | sylvanaar_work | it is so awesome, you can hotkey it to enter your authenticator for you |
| 18:44.57 | Lunessa | I'm beginning to loathe people who can't be bothered to remember passwords. |
| 18:46.13 | Mr_Rabies | i can't remember passwords :( |
| 18:46.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really bad |
| 18:46.20 | mckenziemc | well |
| 18:46.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've got terrible password policy |
| 18:46.37 | mckenziemc | you can't trust sites to keep your password safe, so you need a separate one for each site |
| 18:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | i've improved it since geting my gmail/wow accounts hacked a it |
| 18:46.50 | Torhal|work | Mr_Rabies: Maybe you'd be better at it if you weren't afflicted with rabies. |
| 18:46.51 | bluspacecow | and a separate email too ! |
| 18:46.52 | mckenziemc | with so many sites used by an average individual nowadays |
| 18:46.52 | Mr_Rabies | bit* |
| 18:47.08 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | i've resorted to writing them down |
| 18:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 18:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | there's a limited number that i can write down before it becomes stupid |
| 18:47.57 | Torhal|work | Mr_Rabies: http://agilebits.com/products/1Password |
| 18:49.23 | Mr_Rabies | verrrry tempted |
| 18:50.42 | Torhal|work | It also synchs with DropBox. |
| 18:53.17 | sylvanaar_work | I use roboform |
| 18:53.17 | foxlit | new plan: use different usernames per site |
| 18:53.35 | sylvanaar_work | since forever |
| 18:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could change my steam username |
| 18:54.36 | Mr_Rabies | right now it's an email address, from when it had to be an email address |
| 18:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | one i no longer use :/ |
| 18:57.58 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmScRy-BrYo |
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| 19:23.46 | Lunessa | "I donât write many reviews these days, but as far as Iâm concerned, eviscerating shitty games with snappy sarcasm is a public service. If 500 words of my resentment are more entertaining than 10 hours of your game, then you wrote a crappy game." ~http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/06/alt-text-duke-nukem-pr/ |
| 19:30.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:36.42 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/funny-facebook-fails-i-hope-its-fun-fun-fun-fun.jpg |
| 19:36.51 | cbreak | that game seems to be generally hated |
| 19:37.02 | cbreak | but still I read that it got an average score |
| 19:37.26 | cbreak | why do people give average scores to a game that they say sucks that much? |
| 19:39.41 | Kraps | nostalgia |
| 19:44.23 | TC-Laptop | http://www.inetvideo.com/Items/N01-0146237?CAWELAID=909070226 |
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| 19:51.48 | foxlit | blueflame helions : |
| 19:51.49 | foxlit | ( |
| 19:52.42 | TC-Laptop | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0025VLEMK what is screwhead edition? |
| 19:55.45 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 19:55.48 | Fisker | however not Lunessa |
| 19:56.17 | Lunessa | TC-Laptop: I believe it's the one where he says "Listen up you primitive screwheads. This is my BOOM STICK!" |
| 19:56.41 | Fisker | ITT: Retards dissing duke sucking the cock that is shitty milked games like MW2 |
| 19:57.31 | Fisker | though to be fair the netcode in MW2 is better than in DNF |
| 19:57.36 | Fisker | but that's about it |
| 20:02.54 | Lunessa | Also - apparently Canadian law enforcement believes manga = kiddie porn - http://cbldf.org/homepage/cbldf-forms-coalition-to-defend-american-comics-reader-facing-criminal-charges-in-canada/ |
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| 20:06.57 | Dagmar | Well? Your point being? |
| 20:08.30 | Fisker | hey Lunessa |
| 20:08.44 | Fisker | you're way too late on that front |
| 20:08.55 | Fisker | already illegal in sweden and i think australia too |
| 20:09.06 | Fisker | how i love batshit insane laws |
| 20:09.35 | Dagmar | Actually, there's a pretty serious problem with Canadian law with respect to how it's defined |
| 20:10.10 | Dagmar | First off, in the US, a wholly generated pic of two underaged kids getting it on doesn't count because the image isn't real in the slightest |
| 20:10.28 | Dagmar | In Canada, merely depicting such a thing, drawn, painted, computer generated, etc counts as the actual thing |
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| 20:11.09 | Dagmar | ...and then you've got the slippery-slope of what's actually defined as pornography, as well as how the crap you're supposed to determine whether or not a manga character is of any particular age at all |
| 20:11.35 | Dagmar | Just being naked thankfully doesn't cut it in US law. I'm not super sure about Canadian law. |
| 20:11.53 | Dagmar | There's got to be an explicitly sexual "setting" to the image. |
| 20:12.21 | Dagmar | At the base of it all, the real issue is to use TrueCrypt and when they ask for the password you say "HAHAHAH fucking no" |
| 20:13.48 | Lunessa | Yeah, at best they can just say "Entry denied" and send you home. |
| 20:13.54 | Dagmar | ...and I'll bet that guy is really looking back and thinking "But they could have confiscated my equipment if I refused and I'd have to lawyer up to get it back and it would be so much expense and bother" |
| 20:14.13 | Dagmar | ...and probably cursing himself for *not* encrypting the data anyway. |
| 20:16.49 | Dagmar | I've been down that particular road arguing with my mom who's practically a chimp when it comes to computers |
| 20:17.25 | Dagmar | Also, shit you ship via FedEx is probably safer anyway |
| 20:17.46 | Dagmar | Airline workers like to do things like, throw guitar cases overhand |
| 20:18.15 | Dagmar | Awesomely, FedEx is now actually cheaper than baggage fees |
| 20:18.30 | Lunessa | If I have to travel internationally (not very often lately) I encrypt everything. |
| 20:18.48 | Lunessa | I also lock phones and such and don't give out the passcode. |
| 20:21.35 | Gnarfoz | send that shit ahead by mail, as Dagmar describes |
| 20:21.40 | Gnarfoz | safest road these dayts |
| 20:21.41 | Gnarfoz | -t |
| 20:23.02 | cbreak | wipe the computer clean for travel, transfer data over a secure link |
| 20:23.25 | Fisker | a |
| 20:25.43 | Dagmar | They will occasionally menace laptops that don't boot with a screwdriver |
| 20:26.06 | Dagmar | In that, they're *probably* doing the right thing, but anyone working for the TSA is clearly too fucking stupid to do it without risking the hardware. |
| 20:28.21 | Dagmar | Lord knows I could sure as hell rig a laptop bomb that actually worked for a few minutes |
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| 20:28.38 | Dagmar | It would just be a lot harder to make one that can still boot up |
| 20:28.57 | Lunessa | I tell this great story about the last time I drove to Canada. The border guard asked me if I /owned/ a gun. I answered "Yes." - The searched my vehicle. Finally in exasperation they asked where the gun was. I said "in a gun safe at my residence 1500 miles from here. You asked if I owned one, not if I was carrying one. Is this why you're searching my SUV?" |
| 20:29.14 | Dagmar | They're not real bright about some things yeah |
| 20:29.31 | Dagmar | Last time I went through I had the woman ask if I planned on pirating any music while I was in Canada |
| 20:29.39 | Lunessa | The supervisor apologized and they helped me repack my stuff. |
| 20:29.50 | Dagmar | Like, who the fuck flies to Canada to pirate music |
| 20:30.17 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You got off pretty nice then |
| 20:30.37 | Dagmar | I've got some coworkers who have had the cops freak out over their carry permits |
| 20:30.41 | Lunessa | I like Canada, but border people on both sides are not always smart. |
| 20:31.05 | Dagmar | Searching the car like mad, *finally* thinking to ask them "okay, where's the gun?" |
| 20:31.18 | Dagmar | SOmetimes actually first asking what *kind* of gun it is |
| 20:31.22 | Lunessa | Yeah - Seriously. |
| 20:33.09 | Dagmar | At least they've got the sense to realize in retrospect that when they panic and act like asses and have someone do the whole perp stance over their own hood, that they're not likely to volunteer anything as useful as "It's not here you jackass" |
| 20:33.10 | cbreak | I've occasionally seen people travel on the train with machine guns here |
| 20:33.37 | cbreak | on the way to or from military service |
| 20:33.39 | cbreak | it's anoying |
| 20:33.44 | cbreak | they take up so much space |
| 20:35.05 | Lunessa | When I was in Italy it was somewhat unnerving to see that the military policed airports and they were walking around with machine-guns. |
| 20:35.29 | kd3 | yah, that spooked me when I was over in the netherlands a decade ago |
| 20:35.33 | cbreak | the ones we have here are as long as an arm, or longer |
| 20:35.38 | cbreak | very inconvenient |
| 20:36.12 | Lunessa | Yeah. Not that I have a problem with it. I was just... unprepared for the sight. |
| 20:36.47 | cbreak | imho, soldiers should not have to take their guns home |
| 20:37.08 | cbreak | they should be able to leave it with the military after their training is completed for the year |
| 20:38.13 | Cairenn | (4:34:30 PM) Lunessa: When I was in Italy it was somewhat unnerving to see that the military policed airports and they were walking around with machine-guns. |
| 20:38.13 | Cairenn | (4:34:54 PM) kd3: yah, that spooked me when I was over in the netherlands a decade ago |
| 20:38.13 | Cairenn | (4:35:38 PM) Lunessa: Yeah. Not that I have a problem with it. I was just... unprepared for the sight. |
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| 20:38.46 | Cairenn | I've flown and taken the train in to NY. and the military are there policing the airport/train station, with machine guns |
| 20:38.53 | Cairenn | NYC* |
| 20:39.14 | Cairenn | You don't have to go to Europe to see that. |
| 20:39.22 | Lunessa | If I had known going in I would see machine-guns at the airport I wouldn't have thought anything about it. But seeing them there when I'm used to not seeing them there... |
| 20:39.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:40.07 | Cairenn | Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I agree. It freaked the hell out of me the first time I saw it in NYC. |
| 20:40.37 | Lunessa | It just happened to be Italy where I saw it ('86) |
| 20:41.11 | Cairenn | Because it was just such a completely foreign concept to me, to see military personnel there policing the area with machine guns ... go go 9/11 |
| 20:41.50 | Dagmar | Hell, you should try one of the bridges in SF |
| 20:41.51 | Lunessa | It seems to happen in any country where terrorists have finally managed to scare people shitless. |
| 20:41.54 | Cairenn | Thus far, that isn't happening in Canada .. yet |
| 20:41.58 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:42.10 | Dagmar | They've got a sniper permanently in position at either end of hte bridge, complete with tripod on the hood of his truck |
| 20:42.23 | Dagmar | Im like wow that's so classy |
| 20:42.42 | Lunessa | Drive across the Hover Dam - get stopped and searched at both ends. |
| 20:43.07 | cbreak | what for? |
| 20:43.22 | Dagmar | You might be a dangerous water smuggler |
| 20:43.32 | cbreak | maybe you look too attractive |
| 20:43.38 | cbreak | or too dangerous |
| 20:43.44 | Lunessa | The Dam is a tourist attraction so you could exchange dangerous things with someone in the middle at the tour station! |
| 20:43.47 | Dagmar | I'd certainly just refuse the search at the far end |
| 20:43.48 | durcyn | ho, SWG is shutting down, good job Sony |
| 20:44.00 | Dagmar | "Read my lips; Get a fucking warrant because I *do* have all damn day" |
| 20:44.03 | cbreak | durcyn: did it get hacked? |
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| 20:44.20 | Dagmar | The suck finally reached critical mass? |
| 20:44.34 | durcyn | cbreak: only inasmuch as SOE's user data was stolen as previously known, not SWG specifically as far as they're letting on |
| 20:44.43 | durcyn | more like LucasArts told them to fuck off with SWTOR coming out |
| 20:45.24 | cbreak | hmm... seems there is still the old one: http://hassonybeenhackedthisweek.com/ |
| 20:45.41 | Dagmar | Come on. ONce Sony got that property they began fucking it's skull into pudding |
| 20:46.17 | Dagmar | Lore nodrop items for jedi rendered tradeable on eBay, for instance |
| 20:47.01 | Dagmar | Silly crap like that and the whole aspect of pay-to-win going to insane lengths with those expansions |
| 20:47.08 | cbreak | "You have acquired 'Lukes Lost Hand'" |
| 20:48.17 | Dagmar | Seriously, two days after the expansion that allowed space combat, i'd made more cash just shooting targets than I'd made in the last six months of farming |
| 20:48.32 | Dagmar | They didnt' even fuck over EQ users that hard |
| 20:48.39 | cbreak | sounds like daily quests :) |
| 20:48.52 | Dagmar | Dail quests don't drop 250g apiece |
| 20:59.27 | Dagmar | Seriously, the EQII expansion that added more kobolds had all the new areas dropping 35% more platinum |
| 20:59.39 | Dagmar | THe space zones in SWG were more like 1,000 times more money |
| 20:59.55 | Dagmar | ...and you didn't need to be any particular level at all to get to them. |
| 21:00.05 | Dagmar | Sony *sodomizes* games. |
| 21:00.56 | cbreak | sony likes easy money |
| 21:01.06 | cbreak | they probably assumed their customers felt the same |
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| 21:03.23 | Dagmar | That would show they actually don't know shit |
| 21:03.47 | Dagmar | People don't like games where you can bribe the GM unless it's in the rules that you can bribe the GM. |
| 21:04.27 | Dagmar | Plus making that much money in about five hours of just shooting bots down made me feel like all my previous work was a big fucking waste of time |
| 21:06.03 | cbreak | that's how soloing onyxia made me feel |
| 21:06.12 | cbreak | ... oh, wait, I didn't solo her... BUFF MAGES! |
| 21:07.20 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: http://wowprogramming.com/forums/website/50#1 in case you hadn't gotten that |
| 21:07.23 | jnwhiteh | and it seems to work fine. |
| 21:07.28 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/f7471f8001700b8dc87d89e66590f342.png |
| 21:07.53 | Dagmar | cbreak: At least you clearly outleveled the content tho |
| 21:08.01 | Dagmar | cbreak: ...and didn't go do that at level 5. |
| 21:19.03 | Maldivia | hmm, SWG shutting down come December |
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| 21:22.26 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: wow... any word on whether it's SW:TOR's fault or just general "not doing well enough (for SOE)"? |
| 21:22.36 | foxlit | "Fixed a bug where players would spawn beside mineral patches instead of destructible rocks" |
| 21:25.10 | zenzelezz | "We also plan to go out with a bang with a galaxy-ending in-game event in December" -- so the Sith will win SWG? |
| 21:26.03 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: hm, I wonder |
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| 21:28.10 | foxlit | ah, those |
| 21:31.18 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: dunno - just saw the news, but SW:TOR is bound to be a factor, considering it's scheduled to be released sometime this fall |
| 21:32.20 | Mikk | Re: airlines and baggage... I've been flying alot. And i mean alot. The only place in the world where they fucked over my baggage (twice!) is the US. |
| 21:32.50 | Dagmar | You should pack several mousetraps. |
| 21:33.13 | Dagmar | Maybe even some strong enough to take fingers off. |
| 21:33.14 | Mikk | #1 was tearing the shoulder strap off of a bag |
| 21:33.40 | Mikk | after that event i was laughed at by americans for not taking the strap off (wtf never needed anywhere else in the world) |
| 21:33.46 | Dagmar | At the moment they're allowed to search your bags however they like out of your sight and without any oversight taking place |
| 21:33.58 | Mikk | #2 mashed a fucking samsonite |
| 21:34.01 | Mikk | how the hell do you do that |
| 21:34.06 | Mikk | jump on it? |
| 21:34.11 | Dagmar | A judge has set a precedent that it's not a violation of the law for them to be stupid |
| 21:34.20 | Dagmar | Mikk: Probably so |
| 21:35.09 | Dagmar | So, if they like shoving their fingers into people's medicine bottles and so forth, there shouldn't be a problem with having a mousetrap snap off a finger at the second knucke that's not covered by standard medical insurance |
| 21:36.37 | zenzelezz | what's a samsonite? Sounds like an explosive |
| 21:36.52 | Maldivia | a brand |
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| 21:37.13 | cbreak | samsonite is great. My favorite portable container brand |
| 21:37.15 | Mikk | zenzelezz: "the unbreakable bag" |
| 21:37.28 | Mikk | s/bag/suitcase/ |
| 21:37.50 | zenzelezz | oh, right... wonder what I was confusing it with |
| 21:38.27 | Maldivia | Mikk: re " jump on it? " -- well, it's Strong Enough to Stand On |
| 21:38.34 | Maldivia | they didn't say jump on :) |
| 21:38.51 | Mikk | wtf do they have working the luggage lines in the US.. gorillas? |
| 21:40.07 | cbreak | Mikk: please, don't slander gorillas |
| 21:40.09 | Maldivia | I would guess americans... but if you want to call them gorillas, I can't stop you :P |
| 21:40.19 | Lunessa | Mikk: In the 70s and 80s Samsonite used gorillas in their ads. They would put a suitcase in the cage with one and let it mash it like crazy. |
| 21:40.55 | Mikk | haha i didn't even know :P |
| 21:40.59 | Torhal|work | Does anyone know if there's a way to remove click registrations from buttons? I can't seem to find the opposing method to RegisterForClicks() |
| 21:41.17 | Mikk | Torhal|work: it replaces old registrations |
| 21:41.34 | Torhal|work | Then I have a timing issue, because that's what I thought and it didn't work. |
| 21:41.40 | Maldivia | EnableMouse(false) :P |
| 21:41.43 | Torhal|work | Goddamn NavBar API. |
| 21:41.43 | Mikk | lal |
| 21:41.59 | Torhal|work | No, I want the NavButtons to accept right-clicks only in certain cases |
| 21:42.25 | Mikk | wonders wth a NavBar is |
| 21:42.57 | Mikk | is it something you can only see from inside an oven? |
| 21:43.00 | Torhal|work | Blizzard came up with a doesn't-work-like-other-implementations breadcrumb system for 4.2 that they use in the Encounter Journal and their revamped Help panel |
| 21:43.14 | Mikk | aa |
| 21:43.52 | Torhal|work | It's brainded if you want it to work like a normal breadcrumb nav system, so I'm making on-the-fly adjustments and that's one that I need to peg down. |
| 21:44.00 | foxlit | Torhalwork: It's RegisterForClicks, still |
| 21:44.46 | Torhal|work | foxlit: Yah - I thought as much but apparently there's something in their Lua that screws with that so I need to re-register at a different point in my code |
| 21:44.46 | zenzelezz | does RegisterForClicks override previously set calls? |
| 21:44.58 | Mikk | that's what my memory says yes |
| 21:45.00 | foxlit | It is my impression that it should |
| 21:45.00 | Torhal|work | But with the PTR down, it's moot. |
| 21:46.26 | cbreak | I have a Samsonite Pro-DLX3 Laptop Backpack, the best backpack I ever owned |
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| 22:02.03 | foxlit | " More recently, popular UI compilation Tukui was targeted because of beta editions for the PTR of the compilation were only available to donators and premium subscribers to the community." |
| 22:02.05 | foxlit | what the who? |
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| 22:09.12 | Torhal|work | foxlit: Where did you read that? |
| 22:09.22 | foxlit | wowinsider |
| 22:09.49 | foxlit | Who didn't link http://www.tukui.org/blog/33 . Bastards. |
| 22:10.29 | zenzelezz | of course not, that would take you away from WoWinsider -- why would you possibly want to do that? |
| 22:12.11 | zenzelezz | "I'm responding directly to Blizzard through our blog and I expect the community to support us." -- that's funny, I'd think responding directly would be through e-mail |
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| 22:29.17 | Ackis | penis |
| 22:34.45 | Caleb| | ohh Ackis you so dirty! |
| 22:34.58 | Caleb| | dirty dirty dirty! |
| 22:37.33 | Ackis | bioware hacked =/ |
| 22:43.41 | cbreak | hacked? |
| 22:43.56 | cbreak | or something lame like sql injection or using the password 12345? |
| 22:44.30 | Ackis | db compromised with user names, passwords and cd-keys |
| 22:44.32 | A-KO | likely one of the above |
| 22:45.23 | cbreak | CD keys aren't really that important... |
| 22:45.33 | cbreak | but why the hell do those morons still store passwords? |
| 22:47.30 | foxlit | cbreak: because they have to allow you to log in |
| 22:47.43 | foxlit | And explaining what a public key is would take too long |
| 22:47.44 | cbreak | what does that have to do with it? |
| 22:47.53 | cbreak | they could just store a hash... |
| 22:47.58 | cbreak | preferably salted |
| 22:48.03 | foxlit | "encrypted passwords" was what was leaked. |
| 22:48.07 | cbreak | with many rounds of hash applications |
| 22:48.32 | foxlit | You're inventing a security scheme. Stop it before someone gets hurt :) |
| 22:48.37 | cbreak | no |
| 22:48.42 | cbreak | encrypting is bad |
| 22:48.53 | cbreak | it offers reversibility, which is not needed |
| 22:49.07 | cbreak | foxlit: I am not inventing anything |
| 22:49.20 | foxlit | "HASH! SALT! HASH SOME MORE!" |
| 22:49.23 | foxlit | sounds like you are :) |
| 22:49.24 | cbreak | foxlit: I am trying to explain to you what is best practice, as recommended by people with an actual clue |
| 22:49.50 | foxlit | On the other hand, I can still run a dictionary attack against a hash |
| 22:50.01 | foxlit | I cannot run a dictionary attack against an encrypted string. |
| 22:50.13 | foxlit | It really depends on what level of confidence you have in your ability to keep your encryption key secure. |
| 22:52.11 | cbreak | foxlit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 |
| 22:52.32 | cbreak | you can run dictionary attacks against encrypted strings |
| 22:52.41 | cbreak | that is known as a "known cleartext attack" |
| 22:53.26 | cbreak | against hashes, you would not run ordinary dictionary attacks |
| 22:53.32 | foxlit | Are we quoting wikipedia now? |
| 22:53.34 | cbreak | much more efficient you'd use rainbow tables |
| 22:53.41 | foxlit | "The known-plaintext attack (KPA) is an attack model for cryptanalysis where the attacker has samples of both the plaintext (called a crib), and its encrypted version (ciphertext)." |
| 22:54.06 | cbreak | yes... I am aware what it is. |
| 22:54.33 | cbreak | if you run a dictionary attack on encrypted passwords, you have the cypher text (the encrypted password) and the clear text (your guess from the dictionary) |
| 22:54.41 | foxlit | You're misapplying the term, then |
| 22:55.02 | foxlit | You're supposed to know the /actual/ plain text, not your guess. |
| 22:55.17 | cbreak | but really, if your password database is stolen, the encryption key probably got stolen too |
| 22:55.20 | cbreak | so no point even attacking |
| 22:55.51 | cbreak | (because you need to know the encryption key to validate the users entered password at runtime) |
| 22:56.56 | foxlit | probably, but not necessarily. |
| 22:57.22 | cbreak | only other way I see is to have a blackbox encrypter, like some USB device or a different server |
| 22:57.26 | foxlit | anyhow, hypotheticals. Off to get 4-gated :( |
| 22:57.50 | cbreak | good luck :) |
| 22:59.42 | Ackis | hey Bibi there are only 24 hours in a day, not 25 |
| 23:00.13 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 23:14.29 | foxlit | heh, a 4-star-gate |
| 23:14.52 | cbreak | what are you, zerg? |
| 23:16.11 | foxlit | Random. |
| 23:16.37 | foxlit | In that case, protoss. |
| 23:16.53 | foxlit | Stalkers cleaned voids up nicely. |
| 23:18.17 | cbreak | yeah... |
| 23:18.33 | cbreak | I am not sure if lots of stargates make sense against non-zergs, at least not as primary |
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| 23:46.42 | foxlit | whee, broodlords win games! |
| 23:48.33 | foxlit | And I really don't make enough drones :( |
