| 00:00.11 | Ycarene | I've heard that there's an internal linux version, but it's probably just the devs playing around. |
| 00:02.13 | Arrowmaster | that was back in alpha |
| 00:02.20 | Ycarene | Ahh |
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| 00:15.37 | Shirik | how to know something hasn't been tested: |
| 00:15.40 | Shirik | void ceateOrthograhicMatrxi(Scalar xMin, Scalar xMax, Scalar yMin, Scalar yMax, Scalar zMin, Scalar zMax); |
| 00:15.57 | Shirik | that's supposed to say createOrthographicMatrix |
| 00:17.41 | Ackis | 89**********.03 |
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| 00:19.11 | Fisker | 128-bit is so last gen |
| 00:33.38 | foxlit | hm, depots can be killed off. |
| 00:37.56 | karl_w_w | Isn't there supposed to be an empty line after the ## lines and another after the last lua file in a toc? or did I just imagine that? |
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| 00:42.45 | foxlit | no |
| 00:42.57 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:43.01 | foxlit | In that order. |
| 00:45.32 | foxlit | http://wow.curse.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1111163 http://wow.curse.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=4453707 |
| 00:45.42 | foxlit | click in sequence; they seem to lead to the same profile for me. |
| 00:45.53 | foxlit | Forcing a refresh on the last one fixes it, though. Odd, Curse. |
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| 00:52.49 | Shirik | Penguin survival is a game that requires two players. |
| 00:52.49 | Shirik | To play it, you must keep the penguin alive for as long as possible, if you are the human. The current record is held by Manny Herrera for 55 min. |
| 00:52.50 | Shirik | WAYS TO DIE: ICE STAB, ICE HARD FALL, GRAPPLE STAB, ANYTHING STAB |
| 00:52.55 | Shirik | why would you put this on wikipedia |
| 00:53.22 | Shirik | and then when it was deleted, it was recreated with "LISTEN! I keep telling you, STOP DELETING! STOP! Penguin Survival is not "patent nonsense"! It's not a hoax, It's not a "no significance subject"! It's just something cool I made up." |
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| 00:53.42 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.03 | Shirik | any time you create an article and have to start it with "Administrators and bureaucrats, please do not delete this article because this is not a hoax, and it's just an idea for a game I made up. I just want to show it to people." it probably shouldn't be made |
| 00:59.22 | Fisker | won't you penis with me Shirik ? |
| 00:59.30 | Shirik | Ù©(â¢Ì®Ì®Ìâ¢Ì)Û¶ |
| 00:59.53 | Fisker | what does that mean? |
| 01:00.40 | Shirik | it means |
| 01:00.41 | Shirik | Ù©(â¢Ì®Ì®Ìâ¢Ì)Û¶ |
| 01:00.47 | Cide | what's "penising with one another" mean exactly |
| 01:04.50 | Ackis | Shirik: can I create an Ackis wikipedia article? |
| 01:04.55 | Shirik | no |
| 01:04.57 | Ackis | "famous addon author and uber fish" |
| 01:06.10 | Shirik | fish? |
| 01:06.19 | Ackis | star wars galaxies days |
| 01:07.00 | Shirik | you were a fish in swg? |
| 01:07.03 | Ackis | yeah |
| 01:07.05 | Ackis | mon cal |
| 01:07.14 | Shirik | so you were a calamari |
| 01:07.27 | Ackis | http://members.shaw.ca/ackis/images/swg/self-imphof.jpg |
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| 01:42.55 | karl_w_w | how do you make a code patch in a file? |
| 01:43.52 | kd3 | ah, this is why I have fark in my rss... article: Just to put a cap on its history, the shuttle Endeavor alerts a woman to car thieves as its final in-flight trick |
| 01:44.02 | kd3 | comment: "In the Florida Criminal Justice System the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Goddamn BatShuttle. These are their stories." |
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| 01:54.19 | PProvost | Anyone know of a shortcut to find the itemid/link for a glyph when all you have is its name? |
| 01:54.28 | PProvost | GetItemInfo() doesn't work |
| 01:54.44 | Cide | scan the guild professions? |
| 01:54.49 | Cide | should work most of the time |
| 01:54.53 | PProvost | interesting idea |
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| 01:58.30 | ben_alman | omg |
| 01:58.46 | ben_alman | now i have yet another channel to be in |
| 01:58.49 | ben_alman | hi all |
| 01:59.18 | ben_alman | do people talk in here, or is this a dead channel |
| 02:00.45 | Cide | people talk, sometimes |
| 02:01.06 | tekkub | god damnit cide |
| 02:01.12 | Cide | okay okay |
| 02:02.53 | ben_alman | i've been trying to figure out events for ages and i just finally found the keystone |
| 02:02.58 | ben_alman | Cowboy:SetScript('OnEvent', function(self, event, ...) self[event](self, event, ...); end); |
| 02:03.07 | ben_alman | without that... heh |
| 02:03.27 | Cide | without that it's still simple :) |
| 02:03.36 | ben_alman | yes but i had no idea what i was missing |
| 02:03.43 | Cide | missing? |
| 02:04.04 | Cide | you don't need the whole self[event](self, event, ...) part |
| 02:04.22 | ben_alman | no but i thought (mistakenly) that obj:RegisterEvent(method) called obj:method |
| 02:04.27 | ben_alman | until i saw that line |
| 02:04.30 | Cide | that requires you to do "function Cowboy:ADDON_LOADED(event, ...) blah end" |
| 02:04.45 | Cide | though I believe ace addons like to do it that way |
| 02:04.46 | ben_alman | yeah but i wasn't connecting the two in now |
| 02:04.47 | Cide | which could have misled you |
| 02:04.50 | ben_alman | in=until |
| 02:05.02 | ben_alman | yeah, i'm not sure. i like this pattern though |
| 02:05.32 | ben_alman | i haven't coded in lua for years |
| 02:05.49 | ben_alman | and even then i had no idea what i was doing, i understand programming quite a bit more now |
| 02:06.13 | ben_alman | so it's neat.. but of course, there's plenty of things / patterns / etc to learn |
| 02:06.33 | Cide | http://i.imgur.com/kQrWm.jpg |
| 02:08.26 | [Wobin] | Cide: someone is thinking -way- too hard |
| 02:08.35 | Cide | I liked |
| 02:08.49 | Cide | "1:30 am -- The clock is counting time until the assassination. Less than 12 hours left." |
| 02:09.05 | Wobin | JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TIME ON THE CLOCK =P |
| 02:10.07 | ben_alman | is there a difference between obj:foo = function; end and obj:setScript('foo', function; end) ? |
| 02:10.24 | ben_alman | like, are those the same thing? |
| 02:11.54 | A-KO | okay |
| 02:11.57 | A-KO | anyone here run a minecraft server? |
| 02:12.01 | A-KO | damn thing won't let me break anything... |
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| 02:12.52 | karl_w_w | this is probably my second most active channel |
| 02:12.55 | Cide | you're too close to your spawn point |
| 02:13.02 | Cide | move away 20 blocks in any direction |
| 02:13.04 | ben_alman | any insights on :setScript ? |
| 02:13.04 | Cide | (thanks Adys) |
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| 02:13.21 | Cide | they are not the same thing at all |
| 02:13.24 | ben_alman | ok |
| 02:13.26 | Cide | SetScript() is a wow construct |
| 02:13.31 | ben_alman | gotcha |
| 02:13.33 | Cide | for use on frame-like objects |
| 02:13.40 | Cide | obj:foo is a lua construct for tables |
| 02:13.43 | ben_alman | is it for event handlers specifically? |
| 02:13.47 | Cide | no |
| 02:13.57 | ben_alman | just for adding a method to a frame? |
| 02:14.00 | Cide | obj:foo(blah) is the same as obj.foo(obj, blah) |
| 02:14.26 | Cide | it is just a way of calling a function in a table, passing in the table itself to the function |
| 02:14.30 | ben_alman | ok, so using the : operator implicitly sets the context |
| 02:14.34 | ben_alman | gotcha |
| 02:14.52 | Cide | it's not special in any other way |
| 02:15.29 | Cide | obj:SetScript("<SomeScript>", someFunction) (capital "S") makes the wow engine call someFunction every time <SomeScript> happens |
| 02:15.46 | ben_alman | when you say <SomeScript> happens |
| 02:15.58 | Cide | for instance obj:SetScript("OnEvent", function() print("hi") end) obj:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_SAY") |
| 02:16.08 | Cide | will print "hi" to your chat frame every time somebody /say's something around you |
| 02:16.29 | ben_alman | the only examples i see using :SetScript are related to events |
| 02:16.47 | Cide | there are tons of others |
| 02:17.00 | Cide | OnMouseDown, OnMouseUp, OnDoubleClick, OnUpdate, OnShow, OnHide, ... |
| 02:17.08 | ben_alman | yes, events |
| 02:17.12 | Cide | no, those are not events. |
| 02:17.24 | ben_alman | they look like event names to me |
| 02:17.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_handlers |
| 02:17.37 | Cide | they're widget handlers in wow terms |
| 02:17.40 | ben_alman | ok |
| 02:17.52 | Cide | wow events call the OnEvent widget handler for every frame that has the event registered |
| 02:17.59 | Cide | and the events are things that happen in the game world |
| 02:18.00 | ben_alman | but in terms of a general pattern, they're like events that i can observe by using SetScript |
| 02:18.07 | Cide | like a raid member loses health |
| 02:18.13 | Cide | yes |
| 02:18.17 | ben_alman | ok |
| 02:18.43 | ben_alman | is there a way I can trigger the execution of a :SetScript-bound handler explicitly? |
| 02:18.52 | ben_alman | or is it reserved for WoW internals |
| 02:19.01 | Cide | you can but it depends on what you want to do |
| 02:19.42 | ben_alman | well it sounds like SetScript is pretty much used for "Widget Script Handlers" |
| 02:19.46 | Cide | you can do obj:GetScript("OnEvent")(obj, "CHAT_MSG_SAY") and it will print "hi" |
| 02:19.52 | Cide | in my earlier example |
| 02:20.41 | Cide | but when you call SetScript("OnEvent", foo), foo must be a function, so you could just store the function someplace and call that right away |
| 02:21.05 | ben_alman | sure, i understand |
| 02:22.31 | ben_alman | can i define a method like obj:foo dynamically like obj['foo'] ? |
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| 02:23.58 | ben_alman | well, i'll try it |
| 02:24.32 | Cide | obj['foo'] = function(self, blargh) end works fine |
| 02:24.42 | ben_alman | lua is like crack for my dynamic language habit |
| 02:24.49 | ben_alman | ok, self. right |
| 02:25.01 | ben_alman | only when you use the : operator is self implid, right? |
| 02:25.03 | ben_alman | implied |
| 02:25.06 | Cide | that's equivalent to function obj:foo(blargh) end |
| 02:25.19 | Cide | yep -- www.lua.org/pil |
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| 02:25.33 | ben_alman | yeah, i'll read it for sure |
| 02:25.40 | ben_alman | i'm just trying to power through |
| 02:25.45 | ben_alman | i hope you don't mind too much |
| 02:26.00 | ben_alman | i've got experience with OOP and dynamicism in a few languages |
| 02:26.07 | Cide | I'll just not reply anymore ^_^ |
| 02:26.10 | ben_alman | i'm just coming back to lua after a long break |
| 02:26.12 | ben_alman | lol ok |
| 02:26.25 | Cide | can always buy http://wowprogramming.com/ |
| 02:26.26 | ben_alman | but thanks anyways, it's helpful to understand how what i already know maps to lua |
| 02:26.29 | ben_alman | haha |
| 02:26.45 | Cide | it's a nice book |
| 02:26.49 | Cide | I only have three copies |
| 02:27.04 | Cide | of the first edition, sadly |
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| 02:28.10 | ben_alman | is there an invocation pattern for functions that allows you to specify what self is inside that function, if it wasn't defined as the 1st arg? |
| 02:28.25 | Cide | just don't call it with : |
| 02:28.36 | Cide | instead of obj:foo() do obj.foo(someOtherSelf, ...) |
| 02:29.01 | ben_alman | hmmn |
| 02:29.12 | ben_alman | ok let me step back a sec |
| 02:29.50 | ben_alman | actually |
| 02:30.04 | ben_alman | is there a lua REPL i can work in? |
| 02:30.13 | ben_alman | then i don't have to axe questions so much |
| 02:30.15 | ben_alman | i can just hack |
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| 02:31.14 | ben_alman | haha lua is in homebrew |
| 02:31.16 | ben_alman | sweet |
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| 02:35.41 | ben_alman | is there a lua editor for in-wow hacking? |
| 02:35.46 | ben_alman | like, an addon? |
| 02:36.46 | Cide | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7366-WowLua.html |
| 02:38.07 | ben_alman | before i know it, i'm going to be redoing my website back end in lua |
| 02:38.08 | ben_alman | heh |
| 02:41.04 | Nobgul | lol |
| 02:43.38 | ben_alman | Cide, thanks, that's pretty cool |
| 02:43.45 | ben_alman | syntax highlighting and everything |
| 02:46.47 | Cide | thank jnwhiteh |
| 02:46.50 | Cide | he wrote it |
| 02:46.58 | ben_alman | jnwhiteh, thx |
| 02:47.16 | nicoli_s | so anybody planning on switching to rift now that its gonan support addons? |
| 02:47.30 | Cide | lawl |
| 02:48.22 | Nobgul | lol |
| 02:49.06 | nicoli_s | guess that answers my question |
| 02:49.56 | Cide | if you copy wow except the addons, only to then implement addons and copy the addons ui |
| 02:50.01 | Cide | yeah no |
| 02:54.25 | Shirik | I never thought I'd say this |
| 02:54.29 | Shirik | but fuck C++ references |
| 02:57.21 | Cide | owned |
| 02:58.27 | Shirik | Cide: I just got a warning you'll never see in your life |
| 02:58.33 | Cide | try me |
| 02:58.38 | Shirik | warning C4537: 'm2' : '.' applied to non-UDT type |
| 02:58.44 | Cide | yeah probably not |
| 02:58.54 | Shirik | It detected an error in inline assembly |
| 02:58.58 | Shirik | which is kinda crazy |
| 02:59.00 | Shirik | a very subtle one too |
| 02:59.12 | Shirik | It detected that m2 was a reference, so I need to dereference it first before I try to grab its data |
| 02:59.58 | Cide | silly Shirik |
| 03:00.05 | Cide | who told me references are implemented as poniters |
| 03:00.13 | Cide | pointers too |
| 03:00.33 | Cide | but that's a nice catch by vs |
| 03:00.54 | Shirik | it's such an esoteric thing to catch too |
| 03:01.00 | Shirik | but I guess it might happen frequently enough |
| 03:01.45 | Shirik | but this is pissing me off now |
| 03:01.46 | Shirik | error C2425: '*' : non-constant expression in 'second operand' |
| 03:01.55 | Shirik | MOVAPS xmm1, [eax]m2.data + (4 * sizeof(Scalar)) |
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| 03:02.26 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 03:02.28 | Cide | interesting |
| 03:04.18 | Shirik | If I change it to just + 4 it works fine |
| 03:04.25 | Shirik | (aside from the fact that it's logically wrong) |
| 03:04.36 | Shirik | I can't figure out what it thinks is non-constant about sizeof(Scalar) |
| 03:04.39 | Cide | I have no idea how that works |
| 03:04.54 | Cide | but you can't define a variable outside ("const int size = sizeof(Scalar);")? |
| 03:05.24 | Shirik | nop[e |
| 03:05.28 | Cide | owned |
| 03:05.30 | Shirik | because then it really would be non-constant |
| 03:05.35 | Cide | constexpr? :P |
| 03:05.40 | Shirik | not supported by VS2010 |
| 03:05.56 | Shirik | and I can't use a #define because that would just be replacement |
| 03:06.31 | Cide | what happens if you remove the "4 *" part |
| 03:06.47 | Cide | same error I'm guessing |
| 03:06.50 | Cide | but with 2 |
| 03:06.56 | Cide | but with + |
| 03:06.58 | Cide | rather |
| 03:07.08 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 03:07.10 | Shirik | it's really confused |
| 03:07.14 | Shirik | it looks like it doesn't know what sizeof is |
| 03:07.49 | Shirik | whee http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wxh0awwe.aspx |
| 03:07.59 | Shirik | apparently I have to use some other operator |
| 03:08.05 | Cide | ah |
| 03:08.14 | Cide | that'd do it |
| 03:08.46 | Shirik | MOVAPS xmm1, [eax]m2.data + (4 * TYPE Scalar) |
| 03:08.48 | Shirik | that worked |
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| 03:09.49 | Shirik | isn't this so much better than C++ Cide? |
| 03:09.56 | Cide | it is |
| 03:09.59 | Shirik | all I'm trying to do is transpose a matrix. It's fun to make it take 2 hours. |
| 03:10.12 | Kraps | "Activision on Call of Duty Elite: âEven Haters Can Play for Freeâ" |
| 03:15.12 | ben_alman | can you only use ... at the end of a function arguments list? |
| 03:15.40 | Cide | yes |
| 03:15.44 | ben_alman | bummer! |
| 03:15.52 | Cide | there's no other use case for it |
| 03:15.57 | ben_alman | haha |
| 03:16.10 | ben_alman | yeah, there totally is |
| 03:16.15 | Cide | such as? |
| 03:16.29 | Cide | give me an example |
| 03:16.36 | Cide | of a function definition where it would be useful to have it elsewhere |
| 03:16.37 | ben_alman | sure thing |
| 03:16.41 | ben_alman | 1 sec |
| 03:16.51 | ben_alman | let me pastie |
| 03:18.47 | ben_alman | https://gist.github.com/7f5698a8899e3b184989 |
| 03:19.22 | Cide | first of all, you can't do pairs(...) |
| 03:19.24 | ben_alman | the way ruby 1.9.2 does it is pretty sweet |
| 03:19.29 | ben_alman | hmmn, it works here |
| 03:19.36 | ben_alman | maybe it doesn't |
| 03:19.37 | Cide | only if there's one entry and it's a table |
| 03:19.37 | ben_alman | seemed to tho |
| 03:20.01 | Cide | I raise you function Cowboy:Slash(...) local num = select('#', ...) local name, fn = select(num-1, ...) <rest of your function> |
| 03:20.39 | ben_alman | do you see why i wanted the ... at the beinning tho? |
| 03:20.48 | Cide | what I gave you is equivalent to that |
| 03:20.54 | ben_alman | sure |
| 03:20.58 | ben_alman | just saying, it would be nice :) |
| 03:21.24 | Cide | not really that nice |
| 03:21.29 | ben_alman | lol |
| 03:21.35 | ben_alman | it's pretty nice |
| 03:21.53 | Arrowmaster | its overly complex and confusing |
| 03:22.31 | ben_alman | but if you could specify it with the spalt (...) at the beginning it wouldn't be complex at all |
| 03:22.34 | ben_alman | it would just be awesome |
| 03:22.39 | ben_alman | er splat |
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| 03:22.55 | Arrowmaster | no im saying doing that would be overly complex |
| 03:23.21 | ben_alman | you should see how ruby does it.. you can put the equivalent of ... at the beginning, middle, or end |
| 03:23.30 | ben_alman | it's pretty awesome |
| 03:23.49 | Cide | ruby does a lot of flashy things that are all equally useless |
| 03:23.52 | ben_alman | haha |
| 03:23.56 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 03:24.17 | Arrowmaster | and ruby also lacks some very important things that are impossible to do in it |
| 03:24.21 | ben_alman | like allow you to create beautiful APIs with a minimum of effort |
| 03:25.16 | Arrowmaster | well ruby does an assload of behind the scenes processing |
| 03:25.37 | ben_alman | hey, i understand that lua is small and fast and awesome |
| 03:25.40 | ben_alman | but so is ruby |
| 03:25.43 | ben_alman | it's just different |
| 03:25.47 | Arrowmaster | ruby is not fast |
| 03:25.56 | ben_alman | sorry i mean awesome |
| 03:25.59 | ben_alman | not small or fast |
| 03:26.10 | ben_alman | ruby is really fun for metaprogramming |
| 03:26.15 | ben_alman | something i've been getting more into |
| 03:26.24 | ben_alman | but i've heard lua is too |
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| 03:28.54 | Kraps | wonders if the Earths rotation will reverse if Duke Nukem gets bad reviews |
| 03:29.24 | Cide | it will probably get vastly mixed reviews depending on the perspective of the reviewer |
| 03:30.32 | Arrowmaster | i tried the demo on 360 |
| 03:30.57 | Arrowmaster | i want to punch the idiot that thought it was a good idea to have the normal and zoomed sensitivity the same |
| 03:31.13 | Cide | haha what |
| 03:31.20 | Cide | that's insane |
| 03:31.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah, its way too fucking sensitive when zoomed in, so you have to lower the normal sensitivity |
| 03:31.48 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: ^^^ I EXPECT A PATCH!!!!! |
| 03:32.02 | Parnic | i'll phone up the developers right now |
| 03:32.07 | Parnic | it's ringing |
| 03:32.18 | Arrowmaster | just give me an address so i can deliver a face punching |
| 03:32.47 | Arrowmaster | seriously how did that get past qa/playtesting |
| 03:33.03 | Parnic | you should totally cancel your preorder over aim sensitivity |
| 03:33.16 | Cide | he just might |
| 03:33.19 | Arrowmaster | i thought about it |
| 03:33.21 | Parnic | then take to the forums like a raging alcoholic and complain about how it broke the entire franchise |
| 03:33.31 | Parnic | and you're never buying a gearbox game again |
| 03:33.38 | Cide | he just might not |
| 03:33.38 | Parnic | and telling all of your friends to not buy gearbox games |
| 03:33.45 | Parnic | unless they fix the aim sensitivity while zoomed in dnf |
| 03:33.52 | Arrowmaster | if i cancel i can probably pick up the special edition for half the price in a few months |
| 03:34.07 | Parnic | fyi: consoles patches cost no less than $30,000 from microsoft |
| 03:34.15 | Parnic | some obscene amount of money from the publisher to staff the testing |
| 03:34.23 | Parnic | and salaries for all developers involved spending time on new code |
| 03:34.36 | Parnic | then the patch has to be submitted to ms once everyone's vetted it |
| 03:34.45 | Parnic | and they take up to 2 weeks to certify the patch |
| 03:34.50 | Parnic | if it fails, we owe them another 30k to do it again |
| 03:35.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know its stupidly complex, and thats why ill never buy valve games on 360 |
| 03:36.11 | Parnic | gamers wonder why near-rlelease-date dlc is not "included on the disk" - well, the game is actually finished months before it gets released. it has to be certified and manufactured. so the people who care about the game keep working on new stuff during that time |
| 03:36.22 | Shirik | done Cide |
| 03:36.27 | Shirik | I have successfully transposed a matrix: http://pastebin.com/9ekSUqKi |
| 03:36.32 | Parnic | then gamers wonder why we don't deliver new content for free, but it's ridiculously expensive to develop new content, on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars |
| 03:36.34 | Shirik | though it's scattered a bit in registers |
| 03:36.35 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 03:36.57 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: that i completely understand, the retarded shit like bioshock2's on disc dlc is what makes me hate developers/publishers |
| 03:37.27 | Parnic | if it really is on-disk, then that's another story entirely and your disdain is justified :) |
| 03:37.38 | Cide | I prefer python Shirik |
| 03:37.44 | Cide | zip(*matrix) |
| 03:37.59 | Parnic | when it's not on disk and is available for purchase on game release day, that's called commitment to a product, not shafting the gamer :P |
| 03:38.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah on that one the download for the dlc was 4KiB so it was all already on disc, there was no title update either |
| 03:38.40 | Shirik | Cide: and do it all in software? |
| 03:38.46 | Parnic | unless the 4kb was an authorization token that allowed their external servers to live-deliver the new stuff to you when you connect to them |
| 03:38.52 | Cide | I'm well aware of which is faster :P |
| 03:38.54 | Parnic | and that's all handled behind the scenes so you wouldn't know it's going on |
| 03:39.00 | Cide | technically it's all handled by hardware still! |
| 03:39.13 | Cide | just with a few more round trips |
| 03:39.50 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: it wasnt, i believe supermeatboy was the first game that figured out they could have the game download stuff without using the marketplace |
| 03:40.06 | Parnic | far from it, but i know what you're referring to :) |
| 03:40.21 | Parnic | how do you think playlist updates have happened in CoD and Halo all these years without patches? |
| 03:40.28 | Parnic | game balance tweaks, etc. |
| 03:40.55 | Arrowmaster | i mean downloading actual content without using the marketplace |
| 03:41.00 | Parnic | same thing |
| 03:41.06 | Parnic | just presented to you in a different way |
| 03:42.01 | Arrowmaster | still trying to decide what to play first on the 14th |
| 03:42.39 | Arrowmaster | ill probably have child of eden at midnight, but amazon will be delivering duke and alice later in the day |
| 03:42.55 | Parnic | i'm excited about alice |
| 03:42.59 | Parnic | i hope it's good |
| 03:43.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:43.14 | Arrowmaster | way more excited about alice than duke |
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| 03:43.45 | Arrowmaster | duke im only getting because its fucking duke |
| 03:44.05 | Parnic | hopefully there are several million people with that same desire. then i can buy a new tv |
| 03:44.24 | Parnic | even though i wasn't involved in its development in any way. gearbox rules. |
| 03:44.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah i noticed the 4 fucking developers listed during the demo intro |
| 03:45.27 | Arrowmaster | at least it can joke about how much of a fucking disaster its been |
| 03:45.32 | Parnic | i haven't even fired up the demo. there are 4 listed in the intro? :P |
| 03:46.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah something like 'created by 3d realms, with labor from tryptech, blah blah blah some other dev, in association with gearbox' |
| 03:47.04 | Parnic | oh, studios. okay |
| 03:47.10 | Parnic | triptych, piranha, gearbox |
| 03:47.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:47.33 | Parnic | i thought you meant 4 individuals were credits :P |
| 03:47.34 | Arrowmaster | but it goes on like a movie intro does with studios |
| 03:47.35 | Parnic | credited* |
| 03:48.16 | Parnic | http://www.noob.us/humor/family-guy-is-the-movie-starting-yet/ |
| 03:49.15 | Arrowmaster | yet another site that doesnt work with 64bit flash |
| 03:50.29 | Parnic | anyway, sorry to hear about the aim sensitivity. FWIW, they're taking posts from our forums and entering bug reports in our database for items reported |
| 03:50.40 | Parnic | so if you seriously do want it changed, the best thing you can do is post about it in the gbx forums |
| 03:51.21 | Arrowmaster | was the demo based on an older build? guessing i shouldnt expect that it might have been fixed before going gold |
| 03:51.52 | Parnic | it was older than the released content, yes, but something like that is extremely unlikely to change between demo and final release |
| 03:52.29 | Parnic | every single change is extremely dangerous in that you have no idea what other part of the game you may have just affected, so we only fix the most critical stuff at the very end of the project |
| 03:53.00 | Parnic | 'very end' in this instance meaning the last few months or so |
| 03:56.06 | Parnic | gets to go to E3 next week |
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| 03:58.54 | Arrowmaster | gearbox forums are saying the demo was created last year for pax |
| 03:59.18 | Parnic | the levels that are playable in the demo are the same ones from the demo that went to pax |
| 03:59.29 | Parnic | the actual code and content is from a few weeks ago |
| 03:59.36 | Parnic | so despite being the same level, it's not the same demo :) |
| 03:59.55 | Arrowmaster | ok so dont listen to forum idiots |
| 04:00.08 | Parnic | well, they're half right and they don't have any way of knowing otherwise :) |
| 04:03.07 | Arrowmaster | oh one of the first things i did in the demo was draw a penis on the whiteboard |
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| 04:03.26 | Parnic | i bet you're the only person who thought of that |
| 04:03.38 | Arrowmaster | exactly as was intended im guessing, i mean why else would you put a whiteboard in a duke game |
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| 04:05.38 | Ackis | I drew a penis on the monster |
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| 04:14.09 | airtonix | is it possible to sell stuff for secondlife from a website and have that item show up in the customers possession in game without doing the transaction in-game? |
| 04:17.21 | Shirik | Cide |
| 04:17.22 | Shirik | my head hurts |
| 04:17.31 | Cide | why |
| 04:17.47 | airtonix | too many diamonds |
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| 04:20.21 | Dagmar | Airtonix: Not through any mechanism that I'm aware of |
| 04:20.58 | Dagmar | They might have added something along those lines in the last few years since I've looked at it |
| 04:21.20 | Dagmar | Last I checked as close as you could get was in-game code that could talk to external sites |
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| 04:27.41 | ben_alman | i think this is enough for now https://gist.github.com/974269 |
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| 04:34.07 | airtonix | Dagmar: that's dissapointing |
| 04:34.40 | airtonix | i guess second life will remain a fringe thing until nueral interfaces become mainstream |
| 04:34.43 | Shirik | Cide |
| 04:34.47 | Shirik | wanna see something epic? |
| 04:34.50 | Cide | OK |
| 04:35.00 | Shirik | this is how you do matrix multiplication |
| 04:35.09 | Dagmar | airtonix: I'd say the bigger problem is a matter of everything in there looks garish |
| 04:35.12 | Shirik | well, 1/4 of it |
| 04:36.30 | Shirik | Cide: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5995/matrixys.jpg |
| 04:37.01 | Cide | good to know |
| 04:37.10 | Cide | I always used the mathematical definition but I'll keep yours in mind too |
| 04:38.52 | Shirik | I like my definition better |
| 04:39.51 | Cide | it has quite a compelling visual component, yes |
| 04:42.38 | Shirik | Everyone should have a P4 by now right? |
| 04:45.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: I should hope so |
| 04:46.06 | Dagmar | Anything not at least a P4 is over 10 years old |
| 04:46.22 | Dagmar | Well, 8 maybe but still |
| 04:51.29 | Arrowmaster | fires up the P1 |
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| 04:59.11 | kd3 | har. gotta love MSDNAA... "File Size:3.9 GB. Dial-Up (56K): 1 Hours 17 Minutes. Cable/DSL (1Mbps): 8 Hours 55 Minutes" |
| 04:59.23 | kd3 | I wish I had that kind of dialup |
| 04:59.37 | Arrowmaster | i think its missing the days part |
| 04:59.50 | Arrowmaster | or in that case weeks |
| 05:00.35 | Dagmar | Truth |
| 05:00.57 | Dagmar | It should say "Dial-Up (56K): You should probably warm up the car." |
| 05:00.59 | Shirik | Cide: http://pastebin.com/HLGGp3MS |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik | What do you think of my comments? |
| 05:02.26 | Cide | pleasing on the eyes |
| 05:02.35 | Cide | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/doomhammer/sigher/simple |
| 05:02.41 | kd3 | even more amusingly... http://pastebin.com/1piPVy9z |
| 05:02.43 | Cide | trinkets :( |
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| 05:32.37 | airtonix | Dagmar: no it should say, "Now redirecting you to our Nigerian Pidgeon Packet Service" |
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| 05:55.03 | Shirik | Cide how is your matrix math? |
| 05:55.11 | Shirik | Assume T(A) means "tranpose of A" |
| 05:55.17 | Shirik | is this true? A * B = T(B) * T(A) |
| 06:13.08 | nevcairiel | T(A*B) is T(B) * T(A), i doubt yours is true |
| 06:14.09 | nevcairiel | well yours is only true if A*B is a symmetric matrix |
| 06:32.35 | Galvin | Just updated the libs to my mod. and libsharedmedia 3.0 is giving me tons and tons of textures for background. I didn't see anything in the docs about all those exta background textures. its too many |
| 06:33.44 | nevcairiel | LSM-3.0 itself has only around 10 background textures, all starting with "Blizzard" in their name |
| 06:33.53 | nevcairiel | other textures are most likely added by other addons |
| 06:34.11 | Galvin | Running this on ptr only got this one addon enabled. |
| 06:34.31 | nevcairiel | i'm looking at the file right now, there is only 10 textures specified |
| 06:35.22 | nevcairiel | actually, its 12 |
| 06:35.31 | Galvin | does acegui add any? |
| 06:35.34 | nevcairiel | but still all starting with "Blizzard" and one called "Solid" |
| 06:35.37 | nevcairiel | no |
| 06:35.46 | Galvin | must be coming from someplace. |
| 06:36.29 | Galvin | Seeing stuff like Worgen, WorldMapBG, Yellow-Orange, etc |
| 06:36.42 | Galvin | weird stuff like Wood vert. Frame |
| 06:37.40 | Galvin | going to try and see if its acegui brb |
| 06:37.53 | nevcairiel | AceGUI doesnt use LSM at all |
| 06:38.05 | bluspacecow | anyone got a link to the 720p version of Episode 607 (the latest) of Dr Who ? |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | top one on eztv.it |
| 06:39.29 | Galvin | stupid me forgot I installed a mod to add all those. doing too many things at once. nevermind, move on nothing to see here :) |
| 06:39.30 | bluspacecow | ty arrow |
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| 06:46.44 | nebula169 | nevcairiel: why doesn't LAB-1.0 do pet buttons ;; all i want is to make it so my pet bar doesn't move because of the stance bar, but blizzard hates me so |
| 06:46.47 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:47.03 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 06:48.01 | Galvin | How difficult is it to create a greyscale bar texture using paint.net? |
| 06:48.04 | Sargeras | hallo my favorite Canadian |
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| 06:57.21 | Aqua | million dollar question... are CFM's of fans Additive of Multiplicative |
| 06:58.24 | Aqua | so (fan1cfm + fan2cfm + fan3cfm ... fanNcfm) or (fan1cfm x fan2cfm ... fanNcfm, with some equation for airflow in a rectangular box) |
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| 07:05.57 | Dagmar | Additive assuming you have matching outflow |
| 07:06.22 | Shirik | nevcairiel: true |
| 07:06.30 | Shirik | I think I missed that piece |
| 07:06.33 | Aqua | thats what i thought but always got one of those friends |
| 07:06.38 | Aqua | thanks dagmar |
| 07:06.38 | Shirik | Here's the problem. I wrote up this awesome algorithm for matrix multiplication |
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| 07:06.51 | Shirik | Then the guy I wrote it for went "Oh yeah these are column-major matrices" |
| 07:07.09 | Shirik | I'm trying to verify that all I have to do is say "ok then do m2 * m1 instead of m1 * m2" |
| 07:07.16 | Shirik | I THINK that's right |
| 07:08.44 | Aqua | oh the things i'd do for MSDN access and a copy of Autocad right now |
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| 07:33.47 | Galvin | when I do LSM.Register('statusbar', 'GUB', 'Interface\Addons\GalvinUnitBars\Textures\GUB-StatusBar.tga'). the libsharedmedia registercallback throws an error what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:35.53 | Shirik | lua> print '\t' |
| 07:35.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 07:35.57 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 07:36.00 | Shirik | Galvin: Replace \ with \\ |
| 07:36.20 | Galvin | just tried that no change |
| 07:36.26 | Shirik | well regardless you need to :) |
| 07:36.46 | Shirik | I don't use LSM so I can't speak much more to it |
| 07:36.50 | Shirik | what is the error? |
| 07:37.14 | Galvin | 1x LibSharedMedia-3.0-100001:181: attempt to index field 'callbacks' (a nil value) |
| 07:37.15 | Galvin | GalvinUnitBars-68\Main.lua:2706: in main chunk |
| 07:37.41 | Galvin | if I rem out the register call no errors happen |
| 07:39.17 | Shirik | are you sure it's not LSM:Register? |
| 07:41.47 | Galvin | yeah that was it |
| 07:41.53 | Galvin | thanks |
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| 08:14.58 | mckenziemc | hmm, ptr won't let me use the same graphics settings i'm able to use on live |
| 08:15.06 | mckenziemc | says my card can't handle some of the stuff |
| 08:19.14 | airtonix | Aqua: go talk to Big Bubba down on the street corner, mention that you'll work for him un-conditionally. After that i can grant your request. |
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| 08:41.57 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/PTR/BlizzardInterfaceCode.14199.zip |
| 08:42.04 | bluspacecow | latest PTR interface code extract |
| 08:42.07 | bluspacecow | if anyone needs it |
| 08:50.59 | haste | kd3 sends out mails with the diffs to those who want them |
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| 09:11.33 | Fisker | hey Blu|Shower |
| 09:11.37 | Fisker | or should i say dickbutt |
| 09:13.31 | Fisker | haste |
| 09:14.17 | haste | Fisker |
| 09:14.27 | Fisker | wtf are you doing? |
| 09:14.38 | haste | fisk-ing |
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| 09:18.52 | Fisker | don't do it haste |
| 09:18.57 | Fisker | it's not safe |
| 09:22.08 | mckenziemc | safer than dickbutting blu |
| 09:23.38 | Cairenn | guys ... |
| 09:29.33 | airtonix | sometimes my christian sensibilities are knocked sideways when fisker uses english here. |
| 09:29.45 | airtonix | :< |
| 09:30.11 | airtonix | i mean if i were christian |
| 09:30.28 | airtonix | lucky i'm not, but still it feels like i am when Fisker does |
| 09:37.04 | airtonix | Dagmar: what's better dnsmasq or bind9 ? |
| 09:39.00 | mckenziemc | you lied to me Blu|Clean |
| 09:39.03 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 09:39.14 | mckenziemc | ptr worgen roars are the same as the 4.0 worgen roars |
| 09:39.29 | airtonix | mckenziemc: is that game breaking for you ? |
| 09:39.56 | Blu|Clean | noooooos |
| 09:40.00 | mckenziemc | why would it be |
| 09:40.01 | Blu|Clean | did you install the PTR then |
| 09:40.07 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 09:40.24 | bluspacecow | 4.2 build 14199 |
| 09:40.37 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 09:41.09 | bluspacecow | want me to check ? I'm kinda not dressed ror works here |
| 09:41.25 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:41.41 | bluspacecow | yessum ? |
| 09:42.25 | airtonix | how is that relevant |
| 09:42.51 | mckenziemc | how are you relevant |
| 09:42.58 | airtonix | are you ? |
| 09:44.28 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 09:44.34 | mckenziemc | is realid usable on the ptr? |
| 09:44.39 | karl_w_w | I remember when warhammer was going to replace wow. I remember when aion was going to replace wow. I remember when rift was going to replace wow. Anyone else? :P |
| 09:44.47 | mckenziemc | ofc |
| 09:45.22 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w is going to replace wow |
| 09:45.33 | karl_w_w | damn straight |
| 09:45.48 | Arrowmaster | im waiting for people to start claiming titan will replace wow |
| 09:46.39 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 09:48.39 | bluspacecow | i found my pants fisker ! |
| 09:48.43 | bluspacecow | *yay* |
| 09:48.46 | airtonix | titan will replace wow |
| 09:48.49 | Fisker | lets dump them and make love |
| 09:48.54 | bluspacecow | kk |
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| 09:54.31 | karl_w_w | wow2 will replace wow |
| 09:55.46 | bluspacecow | mck |
| 09:55.50 | mckenziemc | it did |
| 09:55.53 | mckenziemc | we're on wow4 now |
| 09:55.54 | bluspacecow | you! |
| 09:55.58 | airtonix | nou |
| 09:56.05 | bluspacecow | are you on a worgen on the PTR in worgen form mckenziemc ? |
| 09:56.11 | mckenziemc | yes |
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| 09:56.30 | bluspacecow | do you have emote sounds turned on ? |
| 09:56.34 | mckenziemc | premade worgen female and new worgen male dk with voice modulation off |
| 09:56.35 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 09:56.48 | bluspacecow | and /roar produces ? |
| 09:57.10 | mckenziemc | the same sounds as the EmoteRoar files in this pre 4.1 mpq i have |
| 09:57.40 | mckenziemc | didn't even look in the 4.1 files but i assume the files are in there too |
| 09:57.49 | bluspacecow | do you have the playsound string handy ? |
| 09:58.08 | mckenziemc | i can get it |
| 09:58.10 | mckenziemc | which do you want |
| 09:58.41 | bluspacecow | EmoteRoar |
| 10:00.11 | mckenziemc | sound.MPQ:\Sound\Creature\WorgenFemale\WorgenFemale_EmoteRoar_05.ogg |
| 10:04.32 | bluspacecow | you are correct sir |
| 10:04.38 | bluspacecow | the sound files are the same |
| 10:04.47 | bluspacecow | but what has is tghe /roar command actually playing the sound |
| 10:05.03 | mckenziemc | what |
| 10:05.11 | bluspacecow | copy and pasting |
| 10:05.16 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.22 | bluspacecow | produces the same sound |
| 10:05.33 | bluspacecow | but /roar in live on a worgen has no sound |
| 10:05.44 | bluspacecow | but /roar on the PTR on a worgen has sound |
| 10:05.48 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 10:05.53 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 10:05.56 | mckenziemc | but it did before 4.1 |
| 10:06.04 | bluspacecow | it did ? |
| 10:06.09 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 10:06.15 | bluspacecow | i don't have a copy of 4.0.6 on live so i can't check |
| 10:06.27 | mckenziemc | remember they said they *removed* the sound? :p |
| 10:07.00 | bluspacecow | lies ! |
| 10:09.15 | mckenziemc | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2416197458?page=4#62 |
| 10:15.32 | Torhal | roars at mckenziemc. |
| 10:16.06 | bluspacecow | *cleans spittle off mckenziemc* |
| 10:21.54 | Shirik | Ù©(â¢Ì®Ì®Ìâ¢Ì)Û¶ |
| 10:24.38 | mckenziemc | gnome roars don't scare me, Torhal |
| 10:24.57 | Torhal | Good thing I'm an orc, mckenziemc. |
| 10:25.12 | mckenziemc | you mean a deluded gnome |
| 10:26.22 | bluspacecow | BBL |
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| 10:45.39 | airtonix | Torhal: i used a macbook the other day |
| 10:45.46 | airtonix | worst day of my life |
| 10:46.44 | airtonix | my hands kept freezing because of the aluminum frame |
| 10:47.22 | mckenziemc | shoulda stuck it in a microwave for a few minutes |
| 10:47.33 | airtonix | i'll suggest that next time |
| 10:48.22 | Jamash | karl_w_w: also champions online, conan, lotro |
| 10:48.39 | airtonix | and that superhero/villan thing |
| 10:48.45 | airtonix | ncwest lawl |
| 10:49.34 | Jamash | I really don't understand why companies keep trying to compete with WoW head to head |
| 10:49.50 | airtonix | yes you do |
| 10:49.59 | airtonix | you just saying it to look cool |
| 10:50.01 | Jamash | instead of trying to peel off customers who want a different kind of experience |
| 10:50.23 | Jamash | airtonix: okay, well, yes, but "they're stupid and egotistical" isn't a satisfactory explanation |
| 10:50.28 | Cairenn | lotro didn't try to compete with WoW 'head to head' |
| 10:50.30 | airtonix | why not |
| 10:50.50 | airtonix | Cairenn: ok neither did aion then |
| 10:50.58 | airtonix | or warhammer |
| 10:51.03 | Jamash | oh and D&DO |
| 10:51.04 | Cairenn | warhammer did |
| 10:51.08 | airtonix | orly |
| 10:51.20 | Jamash | anyone remember D&DO? |
| 10:51.31 | airtonix | that thing that is free now? |
| 10:51.38 | Jamash | yuuuuuuuuuuuup |
| 10:51.38 | karl_w_w | <Jamash> I really don't understand why companies keep trying to compete with WoW head to head <- they either don't or they have no other choice, it's the players who go "uhhh herpa derp, another game where people play online together, it must be competing with wow" |
| 10:52.03 | Jamash | "we're not in azeroth anymore" |
| 10:52.05 | airtonix | karl_w_w: uyogibro? |
| 10:52.26 | karl_w_w | airtonix u jelly? |
| 10:52.33 | airtonix | most certainly not |
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| 10:53.45 | mckenziemc | Jamash: that could still fall under "they have no other choice" |
| 10:53.53 | Jamash | uh, yeah they do |
| 10:54.00 | Jamash | look at EvE |
| 10:54.42 | airtonix | yeah eve is awesome |
| 10:54.48 | Jamash | "(6:49:13 AM) Jamash: instead of trying to peel off customers who want a different kind of experience" |
| 10:55.56 | Jamash | what I mean is that instead of making ye generic fantasy kill giant rats etc mmorpg why not try something completely outside that space that still scratches the mmo itch |
| 10:56.34 | Jamash | and the answer to that question is "lack of imagination combined with stupidity and egotism" |
| 10:57.55 | Jamash | so many publishers are stuck in the rut of "see someone succeed -> try to copy them" thinking |
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| 10:58.43 | mckenziemc | isn't that how humanity works |
| 11:00.27 | Jamash | blue ocean brah |
| 11:07.59 | Jamash | publishers keep trying to make a "WoW killer" by making a better WoW (and failing), instead of trying to make a game for people who are sick of / were never interested in WoW |
| 11:11.45 | Corrodias | oh, they DO make those games, too. they aren't mmorpgs. |
| 11:11.54 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 11:12.02 | Jamash | this is true |
| 11:12.11 | Corrodias | although i think some microtrans-driven, free-to-play mmos are doing okay. |
| 11:12.14 | mckenziemc | i think it's more an issue of WoW having a monopoly on the fantasy theme, and the fantasy theme having a near monopoly on the mmorpg genre |
| 11:15.44 | Jamash | I think minecraft is a good example of a new game that exists in a space close to, but separate from WoW |
| 11:17.43 | Jamash | http://store.steampowered.com/app/105414/ <--- what |
| 11:18.55 | Corrodias | cosmetic DLC |
| 11:19.45 | Corrodias | on the one hand, the game should be moddable enough for people to make that already. on the other, nobody would have made it because it's fucking stupid. so i guess if you always wanted it but couldn't make it yourself, now's your chance to pay money for it. |
| 11:19.59 | Jamash | generally cosmetic dlc makes you look better instead of worse |
| 11:20.25 | Corrodias | Actual dollar money. The kind you could buy coffee or chocolate with instead. |
| 11:21.23 | Jamash | then there's railworks dlc |
| 11:21.39 | Jamash | "dynamic cylinder cock steam, ejector operated brake vacuum creation including leakage management" |
| 11:22.04 | Corrodias | There's always railworks dlc. It's like some kind of religious force on Steam. Knocking on your door, offering the salvation of railroad christ. |
| 11:22.59 | Jamash | I wonder if there's anyone who's downloaded and played all $1326.25 of railworks II dlc |
| 11:23.02 | Corrodias | This week: another train! Only $15! |
| 11:25.00 | Jamash | they're probably counting on the model railroad crowd who are already used to spending ridiculous amounts of money on little metal trains, so spending ridiculous amounts of money on virtual trains seems like a natural progression |
| 11:26.22 | Jamash | I mean, http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Intermountain-N-AC-12-p/imr-79007.htm is $239.99 |
| 11:27.23 | Jamash | with sound chip addon for only $111.99 |
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| 11:47.07 | mikma | haste: http://i.imgur.com/oE6zV.jpg |
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| 11:53.19 | bluspacecow | guys am i correct in saying scan.dll is warden or at the very least part of warden ? |
| 11:54.46 | foxlit | Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 11:55.01 | foxlit | are you correct in wanting to comment on warden? :) |
| 11:56.05 | mckenziemc | eyes bluspacecow suspiciously |
| 11:56.19 | bluspacecow | *hides* |
| 12:00.53 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 12:01.06 | bluspacecow | *neighs* |
| 12:01.18 | bluspacecow | *om nom nom nom nom* |
| 12:01.43 | Fisker | anyway no |
| 12:02.03 | Fisker | as far as i know scan.dll is just the shit they use for checking for malware and cheat engine and shit |
| 12:02.45 | mckenziemc | wouldn't that be warden... |
| 12:02.59 | Fisker | no |
| 12:03.57 | bluspacecow | warden is not a horsie |
| 12:03.58 | Torhal | I'm sorry, mckenziemc - I thought you knew; Fisker is Warden. |
| 12:04.05 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 12:04.10 | bluspacecow | wat. |
| 12:04.16 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2151761773?page=1#2 |
| 12:04.16 | Torhal | <.< |
| 12:04.17 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooooooooooh |
| 12:04.19 | Torhal | >.> |
| 12:04.52 | Fisker | it's a shame that my post, along with the topic, will be gone shortly |
| 12:05.25 | Fisker | GEDDIT? |
| 12:05.33 | Fisker | It's not a big glitch because the glitch is his cooooock |
| 12:06.03 | mckenziemc | yawns |
| 12:06.05 | bluspacecow | ooooo your so nordy |
| 12:06.09 | Fisker | nordy? |
| 12:06.21 | bluspacecow | naughty |
| 12:06.30 | mckenziemc | fiskrish |
| 12:07.58 | Fisker | oh phew because i thought you meant nerdy |
| 12:08.35 | mckenziemc | phail phisker |
| 12:10.26 | karl_w_w | is there any sane reason anyone would start the last al'akir phase at the top and work their way down? |
| 12:11.32 | foxlit | The top is more visually appealing |
| 12:12.31 | foxlit | There is no mechanics reason, in any case. You might try reasoning about people's normal camera angles, but meh, that's quite a leap. |
| 12:18.13 | Fisker | bluspacecow please |
| 12:18.50 | bluspacecow | wassup fiskery fisker |
| 12:19.18 | Fisker | baw |
| 12:23.45 | bluspacecow | baw |
| 12:23.47 | bluspacecow | black sheep |
| 12:23.52 | Jamash | WORLD ENLARGER |
| 12:23.54 | bluspacecow | Havveee you aaaaaannyyy woool |
| 12:24.56 | mckenziemc | Fisker Fisker on the wall, who's the bluspacecowardliest of them all |
| 12:25.34 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 12:25.36 | bluspacecow | wot ? |
| 12:25.40 | bluspacecow | *hides again* |
| 12:25.42 | bluspacecow | who me ? |
| 12:26.19 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 12:26.35 | mckenziemc | bluspacecowardenliest* |
| 12:28.07 | airtonix | derp |
| 12:28.51 | mckenziemc | u jelly airtonix |
| 12:29.10 | airtonix | does pruning trees in minecraft cause rapid growth acceleration? |
| 12:29.26 | bluspacecow | no |
| 12:29.29 | airtonix | i just saw a 16 block high tree double in size instantly after i pruned it |
| 12:29.36 | bluspacecow | humping them dog style does |
| 12:29.53 | bluspacecow | go ride em cowboy ! |
| 12:30.11 | airtonix | the cograil that passes through my compound has a overgrowth problem now |
| 12:30.19 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 12:33.13 | airtonix | what the nerfing derp! |
| 12:34.28 | ben_alman | looking at addons i wrote 4 years ago when i used to play wow is enlightening |
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| 12:40.55 | bluspacecow | was it horrifying ben ? |
| 12:41.01 | ben_alman | well |
| 12:41.05 | ben_alman | it's really interesting |
| 12:41.13 | ben_alman | let me show a comparison |
| 12:43.19 | ben_alman | this is how i was handling events before http://gyazo.com/1bb4e925873312525a8bf290d2cf4243.png |
| 12:44.08 | ben_alman | and this is how i'm writing them now http://gyazo.com/4be8a2b06c28fc8c1e9f557c4b41c915.png |
| 12:44.30 | ben_alman | (i'm heavily influenced by all the javascript work i've done) |
| 12:45.31 | bluspacecow | giggity |
| 12:45.36 | bluspacecow | sounds sexah |
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| 12:46.07 | ben_alman | i just wish i still had my old Cowboy.lua file from back when i used to play |
| 12:46.12 | ben_alman | i can't find it anywhere |
| 12:46.19 | ben_alman | just the public addons i had on wowinterface |
| 12:46.23 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 12:46.38 | ben_alman | (Cowboy.lua was my personal addon for misc whatevers) |
| 12:47.34 | Fisker | do you like me bluspacecow ? |
| 12:47.46 | mckenziemc | no |
| 12:48.07 | bluspacecow | lolz cowboymasterbaiter |
| 12:48.53 | ben_alman | i showed that to a friend a minute ago and he said "<coldhead> you haven't changed at all" |
| 12:48.57 | ben_alman | heh |
| 12:51.15 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 12:53.16 | Amis | points at foxlit |
| 12:53.19 | Fisker | hurr hurr bluspacecow |
| 12:53.24 | Fisker | guy complains about raids being nerfed |
| 12:53.29 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 12:53.32 | Fisker | have experienced 0 raid content :o |
| 12:53.37 | Fisker | in cata anyway |
| 12:53.44 | bluspacecow | HERP DERP |
| 12:58.28 | foxlit | Trees are hard :( |
| 12:59.14 | ben_alman | how do you get an array length in lua? |
| 12:59.30 | ben_alman | i can't believe that this doesn;t mention it anywhere http://www.lua.org/pil/11.1.html |
| 13:00.00 | nevcairiel | the online PiL is for Lua 5.0, even if it would say it, it would be outdated |
| 13:00.13 | nevcairiel | anyhow, #array gives you the length |
| 13:00.19 | nevcairiel | note that it only works on pure arrays |
| 13:00.28 | nevcairiel | no nils in the middle |
| 13:01.02 | ben_alman | i'm not sure what you mean by #array |
| 13:01.10 | ben_alman | instance method? |
| 13:01.33 | nevcairiel | lua> t = {1, 2, 3}; return #t |
| 13:01.33 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 3 |
| 13:01.47 | ben_alman | oh. |
| 13:01.56 | ben_alman | # is an operator |
| 13:01.57 | ben_alman | gotcha |
| 13:06.56 | ben_alman | what lua is wow? |
| 13:07.02 | Torhal | 5.1 |
| 13:07.26 | ben_alman | and there's no free online lua 5.1 reference? |
| 13:07.55 | Torhal | Just this: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 13:07.56 | mckenziemc | lua.org's reference manual |
| 13:08.00 | mckenziemc | grr |
| 13:08.35 | Torhal | Heres the direct link: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 13:08.44 | ben_alman | wow, that seems pretty.. brief |
| 13:08.46 | Torhal | duct-tapes mckenziemc to Fisker's back. |
| 13:08.53 | Fisker | thanks |
| 13:13.25 | ben_alman | so function foo(...) print(select('#', ...)); end; foo('a', 'b') -- prints 2, and i know i can get the 'a' with select(1, ...) but how can i get 'b' ? |
| 13:14.32 | ben_alman | wait, i have that backwards |
| 13:15.05 | ben_alman | is there some way i can turn ... into a table i can manipulate? |
| 13:15.21 | mckenziemc | function pack(...) return {...} end |
| 13:15.33 | ben_alman | yeah i was thinking of that |
| 13:15.38 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:15.41 | ben_alman | nothing builtin though? |
| 13:15.41 | Fisker | sexy guy |
| 13:15.43 | mckenziemc | if there's nils in there you'll need to expand the code |
| 13:15.44 | mckenziemc | no |
| 13:15.56 | ben_alman | what do you mean "expand the code" ? |
| 13:16.10 | mckenziemc | handle it somehow |
| 13:16.16 | ben_alman | k |
| 13:16.31 | mckenziemc | since # won't be defined when there are nils in the "middle" |
| 13:16.38 | ben_alman | oh, gotcha |
| 13:16.42 | ben_alman | wacky |
| 13:16.58 | ben_alman | so is there any way to programmatically get the Nth item of ... without using an intermediary function? |
| 13:17.14 | mckenziemc | select(N, ...) |
| 13:17.28 | ben_alman | that will get all items from N to the end |
| 13:17.33 | mckenziemc | or (select(N, ...)) if you need to cut off the others |
| 13:17.42 | ben_alman | hmmn |
| 13:17.56 | ben_alman | ah, that works |
| 13:18.00 | mckenziemc | correct me if i'm messing up again torhal |
| 13:18.02 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 13:18.27 | ben_alman | so if you have a, b = 1, 2; it will set a = 1; b = 2 |
| 13:18.38 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 13:18.59 | foxlit | Stop thinking of lists as things you programmatically get things out of |
| 13:19.31 | mckenziemc | lua> Torhal, Fisker = Fisker, Torhal |
| 13:19.31 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: No output |
| 13:19.58 | ben_alman | foxlit, well when i think of function arguments, i think of a list |
| 13:20.04 | ben_alman | what's a better way to think of function arguments |
| 13:20.13 | foxlit | an explicit list of arguments. |
| 13:20.37 | foxlit | function foo(a,b,c) > function foo(...) |
| 13:20.53 | mckenziemc | where practical |
| 13:20.56 | ben_alman | if lua didn't have ... i'd have to think of arguments as explicit |
| 13:21.11 | ben_alman | but the mere fact that it has ... means that some dynamicism was intended |
| 13:21.33 | Torhal | The elipsis is for cases where you can't know how many arguments there are. It does not give license to be lazy. |
| 13:21.46 | Torhal | It also imposes a runtime overhead for extracting the actual number. |
| 13:22.21 | ben_alman | you'll have to forgive me, i'm used to (apparently) much more dynamic languages |
| 13:22.52 | foxlit | A horrible horrible thing :P |
| 13:23.18 | ben_alman | heh |
| 13:23.27 | ben_alman | well, i heard lua was really dynamic |
| 13:23.33 | ben_alman | and i can see that its tables are |
| 13:24.19 | foxlit | The thing about the vararg expression is that it doesn't support a bunch of operations that you'd expect if you are thinking of lists |
| 13:24.33 | ben_alman | right |
| 13:24.36 | foxlit | You cannot store it. You cannot have two. You may not concatenate. You cannot splice. |
| 13:24.46 | ben_alman | so i was trying to coerce it into an array-like structure |
| 13:25.00 | ben_alman | which i'm guessing pack(...) return ...; end would do |
| 13:25.12 | ben_alman | it would effectively coerce ... into a table |
| 13:25.14 | ben_alman | or something |
| 13:25.17 | foxlit | Right, you can put it in a table if you want |
| 13:25.25 | foxlit | But as a pattern, that is almost never useful |
| 13:25.47 | ben_alman | it's so damn useful in javascript :/ |
| 13:26.01 | foxlit | In short, forget you ever saw that |
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| 13:26.44 | foxlit | Use tables, be happy. If at some point you *have* to handle an API that requires an inconvenient number of arguments (cough, COMBAT_LOG_EVENT), you can dig it up again :) |
| 13:27.28 | airtonix | ben_alman: these people use vim so if you express any interest in time saving methods don't be surprised by the jeering or expression of love for richard stalman |
| 13:27.48 | ben_alman | i've almost switched to vim a few times |
| 13:27.50 | airtonix | i my self use microsoft word for all my programming |
| 13:27.53 | ben_alman | lots of my colleagues use it |
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| 13:29.15 | Torhal | ben_alman: By the way, you're being trolled. |
| 13:29.26 | ben_alman | s'ok |
| 13:29.32 | Torhal | stabs airtonix with mckenziemc1. |
| 13:29.37 | mckenziemc1 | somebody needs to program a killswitch into airtonix :( |
| 13:31.42 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 13:31.44 | Fisker | y u troll? |
| 13:32.12 | Torhal | Fisker: Don't worry, I won't stop you or airtonix from being the trolls you are. |
| 13:32.27 | Fisker | you didn't answer the question |
| 13:32.35 | mckenziemc | stabs Fisker with mckenziemc1 |
| 13:35.01 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/X429T |
| 13:35.05 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 13:35.22 | airtonix | http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-16/1245114521120.jpg |
| 13:37.59 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:38.10 | bluspacecow | yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 13:38.18 | A-KO | sup blu |
| 13:38.35 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:39.03 | bluspacecow | wot u want |
| 13:39.38 | Fisker | wot u want? |
| 13:39.41 | mckenziemc | food |
| 13:39.42 | mckenziemc | now |
| 13:39.48 | mckenziemc | bring me some sleep too |
| 13:40.16 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 13:40.34 | Fisker | k |
| 13:40.36 | Fisker | bluspacecow ? |
| 13:40.45 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 13:40.50 | Fisker | sup? |
| 13:41.14 | bluspacecow | what time is it in fiskery crazy danish person land ? |
| 13:41.44 | mckenziemc | 25 pm |
| 13:42.32 | Fisker | :O |
| 13:42.35 | Fisker | but it's 15:42 |
| 13:42.41 | Fisker | get it bluspacecow ? |
| 13:42.55 | bluspacecow | not weally |
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| 13:50.38 | Fisker | oh ok bluspacecow |
| 13:50.45 | Fisker | so why did you ask about warden? |
| 13:50.47 | Fisker | lulzy post? |
| 13:51.05 | bluspacecow | the 54 bit client argument on mmo champion |
| 13:51.14 | bluspacecow | >_< /s/54/64 |
| 13:51.51 | bluspacecow | someone was wanting to know what scan.dll was for |
| 13:52.07 | bluspacecow | either the non specific hardware survey they do or warden ... i can't confirm either way |
| 13:52.29 | bluspacecow | its not like blizzard is forthcoming with how exactly warden works ... if they did it means people would find ways around it |
| 13:52.43 | Fisker | It's for the pre-game scan as i said |
| 13:53.01 | bluspacecow | there's apparently a X64_BUILD string in GlueStrings.lua |
| 13:53.07 | Fisker | you know when it pops up saying you have a trojan, or you're using glider, or using cheatengine etc. |
| 13:53.28 | bluspacecow | but there's also strings about gm builds , internal builds , and other builds that never see the light of the day in the public |
| 13:54.29 | Fisker | neat where? |
| 13:54.29 | mckenziemc | (6:53:10 AM) Fisker: you know when it pops up saying you have a trojan, or you're using glider, or using cheatengine etc. |
| 13:54.30 | mckenziemc | ^ Fisker has experience with this |
| 13:54.41 | Fisker | yeah mckenziemc |
| 13:54.42 | airtonix | outside the box? |
| 13:54.43 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 13:54.44 | Fisker | with cheat engine :D |
| 13:54.49 | mckenziemc | ;) |
| 13:54.51 | Fisker | it's annoying |
| 13:54.59 | airtonix | outside the box? |
| 13:55.00 | Fisker | you can "skip" messages about keyloggers and shit |
| 13:55.06 | Fisker | but not the message about cheat engine |
| 13:55.08 | Fisker | that's pretty derp |
| 13:55.21 | Fisker | "Hey your account is about to be hacked, but we don't care, just go ahead" |
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| 13:55.33 | airtonix | ok |
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| 13:58.20 | bluspacecow | it's in GlueStrings.lua |
| 13:58.39 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/4.2%20PTR/BlizzardInterfaceCode.14199.zip |
| 13:58.48 | bluspacecow | open GlueStrings.lua , scroll to the end |
| 14:00.02 | mckenziemc | ~framexml |
| 14:00.03 | purl | methinks framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 14:00.36 | mckenziemc | the first link at least has an online copy iirc |
| 14:01.07 | mckenziemc | oh, idk if it'll have ptr stuff |
| 14:01.10 | Kraps | ok, i keep getting calls that i miss from "unavailabe" who keeps waiting till voicemail comes on then doesnt leave a message |
| 14:01.17 | Kraps | its pissing me off |
| 14:01.19 | mckenziemc | doesn't look like it :( |
| 14:02.16 | mckenziemc | do they call back after a few minutes too |
| 14:02.58 | Kraps | like 30 minutes later but i was still out |
| 14:04.10 | bluspacecow | tekkub's one doesn't seem to be updated for the latest PTR build. neither is the wow programming one |
| 14:04.23 | bluspacecow | the go heroes one only does frame xml and not glue xml where the new stuff about the 64 bit client is |
| 14:06.57 | Maldivia | moe interesting than the strings is the Is64BitClient() function |
| 14:07.29 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 14:07.33 | bluspacecow | you've tracked that down ? |
| 14:07.53 | bluspacecow | i mean the definition of it not the use of it in code |
| 14:09.33 | Maldivia | it's defined in the exe, so... |
| 14:09.49 | Maldivia | but then again, so is IsLinuxClient |
| 14:11.16 | Cide | Is64BitClient is newly defined though, is it not? |
| 14:12.55 | Maldivia | yeah, where as IsLinuxClient has been ther since release of 1.0 |
| 14:13.06 | Maldivia | or something like that |
| 14:14.17 | nevcairiel | could just be some developer doing internal testing, i wouldnt put too much value into it |
| 14:14.47 | Maldivia | but internal testing is still a step in the right direction :P |
| 14:15.07 | nevcairiel | didnt they have a half-finished linux client before that project was completely stopped .p |
| 14:15.38 | Torhal | I thought they had a fully-functioning one during Beta (likely due to Sam's work with Linux) |
| 14:15.58 | nevcairiel | beta is always half-finished, point stands! |
| 14:15.58 | bluspacecow | afaik they use a linux client internally don't they (correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 14:15.58 | Torhal | Or maybe that was alpha |
| 14:16.06 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN7_8Yholm4&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:16.12 | nevcairiel | why would they use a different client internally |
| 14:16.23 | nevcairiel | doesnt help the bug finding process :p |
| 14:16.25 | bluspacecow | for the lolz! |
| 14:18.23 | ben_alman | if i have function obj:Foo(); end what's the best way to "delete" that function? |
| 14:18.29 | ben_alman | set obj.Foo = nil ? |
| 14:18.45 | nevcairiel | thats the only way |
| 14:18.48 | ben_alman | great. |
| 14:19.06 | Cide | and you do not delete the function, only that way of accessing it |
| 14:19.19 | ben_alman | does it get GCed? |
| 14:19.25 | nevcairiel | eventually |
| 14:19.38 | ben_alman | k |
| 14:19.58 | ben_alman | functions are first class? |
| 14:20.20 | Cide | what happened to "for sure" reading www.lua.org/pil ? :) |
| 14:20.31 | ben_alman | Cide, i've been reading it, but it's out of date |
| 14:20.34 | ben_alman | so i have the other one |
| 14:20.39 | nevcairiel | buy the book |
| 14:20.42 | nevcairiel | its up to date |
| 14:20.44 | ben_alman | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 14:20.50 | Cide | and yes, they are |
| 14:20.59 | ben_alman | cool |
| 14:21.04 | Cide | (and were even in the outdated version) |
| 14:21.11 | Cide | barely anything has changed |
| 14:21.13 | nevcairiel | not that many things changed |
| 14:21.14 | ben_alman | don't think i haven't been reading.. i'm just also coding etc |
| 14:21.19 | ben_alman | ok |
| 14:21.22 | nevcairiel | just the one thing about array length changed |
| 14:21.26 | nevcairiel | and some other things |
| 14:21.30 | ben_alman | well the first thing i tried to do was different :P |
| 14:21.31 | nevcairiel | but nothing major. :p |
| 14:22.17 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:23.10 | ben_alman | inside an anonymous function, is there anyway to get a reference to that function? |
| 14:23.20 | ben_alman | given no named identifier |
| 14:24.04 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:24.08 | ben_alman | k |
| 14:24.15 | bluspacecow | dang |
| 14:24.24 | bluspacecow | just thought of something |
| 14:24.42 | bluspacecow | will running strings on the PTR wow client produce anything about Is64BitClient() |
| 14:24.46 | bluspacecow | or w/e the call is |
| 14:25.38 | Fisker | try it and see |
| 14:25.59 | foxlit | let us know when you figure out what to do with the eventual result, blu. |
| 14:26.17 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7vcKJqDz4 |
| 14:28.33 | Fisker | it does btw bluspacecow |
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| 14:31.40 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: why would it produce anything about Is64BitClient? |
| 14:31.56 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 14:31.59 | bluspacecow | just musing |
| 14:32.28 | Fisker | Is64BitClient |
| 14:32.28 | Fisker | IsLinuxClient |
| 14:32.28 | Fisker | IsMacClient |
| 14:32.28 | Fisker | IsWindowsClient |
| 14:32.48 | Jamash | IsFiskerTrolling |
| 14:32.55 | Fisker | n |
| 14:32.55 | Jamash | (always returns true) |
| 14:33.00 | bluspacecow | IsToasterClient |
| 14:33.09 | Fisker | IsAndroidClient |
| 14:33.10 | Jamash | IsIphoneClient |
| 14:33.14 | Jamash | oh snap |
| 14:33.15 | Fisker | dick Jamash |
| 14:33.41 | Kraps | you keep setting yourself up Fisker |
| 14:33.53 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 14:34.00 | Jamash | mad magazine |
| 14:34.29 | Jamash | Is3DSClient |
| 14:34.48 | Kraps | did you see Lara Croft being all sexy and troubled? |
| 14:34.55 | Jamash | no |
| 14:35.36 | Jamash | Bovine Fiskerform Encephalitis |
| 14:35.42 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN7_8Yholm4&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:36.00 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 14:36.09 | Fisker | is your imaginary ipod an iOS one? |
| 14:36.29 | Jamash | my ipod is a 2GB 1st gen nano |
| 14:36.29 | Kraps | what other OS would it be? |
| 14:37.10 | Jamash | Is that Lara Croft or the radeon chick? |
| 14:38.02 | Kraps | thats weird Jamash |
| 14:38.07 | mckenziemc | an imaginary OS |
| 14:38.52 | Jamash | what's weird Kraps |
| 14:39.23 | Kraps | that radeon had a mascot |
| 14:39.35 | Jamash | I guess they sold her to squeenix |
| 14:40.02 | Kraps | haha |
| 14:40.13 | bluspacecow | has tomb raider always been an square ennix product ? |
| 14:40.26 | Maldivia | no |
| 14:40.30 | Maldivia | eidos |
| 14:40.39 | Jamash | mergers, acquisitions, etc |
| 14:40.44 | Kraps | bluspacecow: its gritty reboot time! |
| 14:41.07 | Jamash | <gritty voice> I'm Batman </gritty voice> |
| 14:41.22 | Jamash | I think there was some ion storm in there as well |
| 14:41.22 | Cide | pretty cool trailer though |
| 14:41.45 | Jamash | or maybe not |
| 14:42.43 | Jamash | I need to make a screenshot comic of batman / bateman |
| 14:42.45 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 14:43.05 | Jamash | ah good, someone did it for me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-kkKPa1Xg |
| 14:43.26 | bluspacecow | another scence release thats a multipart rar file in a folder that's been put in another rar file then split again |
| 14:43.27 | bluspacecow | sigh |
| 14:44.08 | Jamash | that's a good start, but it needs some uuencode and HQX |
| 14:44.29 | Kraps | "A few weeks ago my mother gave birth to my little brother. My parents named him Damian. My name is Tim and my two older brothers are Richard and Jason. It took me a couple of days to discover we are named after each of the Robins from Batman. Shouldnât have been much of a surprise considering my fatherâs name is Bruce.-Tim" |
| 14:44.38 | Jamash | wow |
| 14:45.07 | Jamash | isn't jason todd dead |
| 14:45.41 | Jamash | oh, he's been unkilled |
| 14:45.43 | Jamash | great |
| 14:45.58 | airtonix | why you rejoice? |
| 14:47.07 | Jamash | is there anyone in marvel or dc that has been killed and stayed dead? |
| 14:47.47 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:47.49 | Fisker | deadman |
| 14:48.05 | Jamash | I'm like 90% sure that doesn't count |
| 14:48.19 | Fisker | oh :( |
| 14:48.23 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/gOvSW.jpg |
| 14:49.09 | Jamash | lulz |
| 14:50.02 | airtonix | meh tomb raider still sucks |
| 14:50.09 | airtonix | weak story is weak |
| 14:50.16 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 14:50.26 | Jamash | I guess uncle ben is still dead |
| 14:51.22 | Jamash | except in house of m |
| 14:51.43 | Jamash | anyone want to help me blow up marvel and dc headquarters? |
| 14:51.53 | Wobin | poor DC comics |
| 14:51.57 | Wobin | they'll never regain sanity |
| 14:52.06 | Jamash | detective comics comics |
| 14:52.21 | Wobin | hang on |
| 14:52.22 | airtonix | Fisker: i'm a ninja |
| 14:52.24 | Wobin | did superman come back? |
| 14:52.45 | bluspacecow | fuuuuuuuu |
| 14:52.47 | Jamash | silicon graphics incorporated incorporated |
| 14:52.52 | bluspacecow | something in firefox's XML has crashed |
| 14:52.54 | Jamash | Wobin: which time? |
| 14:53.01 | Wobin | the most recent one |
| 14:53.02 | Fisker | oh ok airtonix |
| 14:53.09 | bluspacecow | so i can't bring up any pref windows or any settings iwndow full stop |
| 14:53.10 | bluspacecow | BBL |
| 14:53.12 | Jamash | Wobin: You'll have to be more specific |
| 14:53.27 | Wobin | I'm not knowledable enough to pinpoint it |
| 14:53.45 | Jamash | there was The Death of Superman |
| 14:53.51 | Wobin | was it really? |
| 14:53.57 | Jamash | he got better |
| 14:54.01 | Wobin | ah |
| 14:54.11 | Wobin | just 'mostly' dead |
| 14:54.24 | Jamash | and mostly dead is still partly alive |
| 14:55.12 | Jamash | anyway that was in 1992 |
| 14:55.19 | Wobin | really? |
| 14:55.22 | Wobin | wow, how time flies |
| 14:55.33 | Jamash | is supes in blackest night? |
| 14:55.42 | Jamash | 'cause an awful lot of people die in that one |
| 14:57.02 | Jamash | "Guys? I don't think we actually survived that continuity reboot." |
| 15:05.11 | Kraps | too bad |
| 15:05.22 | Kraps | everyone >superman |
| 15:05.39 | Kraps | everyone except aquaman |
| 15:05.51 | Kraps | and spiderman |
| 15:05.58 | Kraps | fucking whiner |
| 15:06.18 | Wobin | aquaman is pretty goddamn powerful really to any human |
| 15:08.53 | Aqua | my starcraft 2 idea is aquaman... |
| 15:08.57 | Aqua | *id |
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| 15:16.22 | Fisker | writes penis on Kraps |
| 15:17.59 | airtonix | y |
| 15:18.24 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/CQddF.jpg |
| 15:18.50 | karl_w_w | http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=7814 <- assuming that's a type :P |
| 15:18.53 | karl_w_w | typo |
| 15:18.57 | karl_w_w | oh the iron |
| 15:19.00 | karl_w_w | IRONY |
| 15:19.06 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
| 15:19.15 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 15:19.37 | airtonix | btw karl_w_wthe msy website is CRAP |
| 15:19.43 | airtonix | they don;t know how to internet |
| 15:19.47 | karl_w_w | yes it is |
| 15:19.54 | karl_w_w | I just go off the pdf |
| 15:20.00 | karl_w_w | and phone them half the time |
| 15:20.03 | airtonix | that's CRAP too |
| 15:20.09 | karl_w_w | no the pdf is perfect |
| 15:20.13 | airtonix | no it's not |
| 15:20.21 | airtonix | try copy something and paste it |
| 15:20.28 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 15:20.34 | airtonix | OH WAIT YOU PASTED ANOTHER COLUMN |
| 15:20.37 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:20.44 | Fisker | fail karl_w_w |
| 15:20.45 | mckenziemc | because airtonix is crap too |
| 15:21.16 | Fisker | that's pretty normal for retarded stores to price shit at something completely unrealistic because they don't want people ordering it |
| 15:21.17 | airtonix | mckenziemc: you're just jealous you don't have the ld |
| 15:21.57 | airtonix | Fisker: lol that's because they don't know how to put a delete product button or a 'do not publish' tick box in the product creation form |
| 15:22.06 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc is just jealous he doesn't have msy |
| 15:22.08 | Fisker | exactly airtonix |
| 15:22.09 | airtonix | lawl jsp |
| 15:22.14 | mckenziemc | umad airtonix |
| 15:22.23 | Fisker | we have a store here th at can figure that out |
| 15:22.28 | airtonix | i'm histerical |
| 15:22.32 | airtonix | hysterical |
| 15:22.33 | Fisker | but if you look through the source code you can still find out what the prices are |
| 15:22.34 | Fisker | etc. |
| 15:22.38 | Fisker | which is lulzy |
| 15:22.38 | airtonix | batshit insane |
| 15:22.46 | mckenziemc | historical |
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| 15:23.28 | Fisker | jersk mckenziemc |
| 15:23.29 | airtonix | lawl they advertised for a webdeveloper on their facebook page about 6mths ago... |
| 15:23.46 | airtonix | i was liek fuck that shit, jsp... LAWL |
| 15:28.23 | karl_w_w | I'll advertise for your face airtonix |
| 15:28.52 | Fisker | it's getting hot in here |
| 15:29.17 | karl_w_w | so take off all your clothes |
| 15:30.24 | Fisker | aww |
| 15:30.30 | Fisker | Kalroth won't participate |
| 15:32.07 | Wobin | oh god |
| 15:32.18 | Wobin | I went to tvtropes to find why Aquaman was awesome |
| 15:32.28 | Wobin | You can figure out my problem with the first half of that previous statement |
| 15:34.58 | Kraps | ahaha |
| 15:35.01 | Jamash | this recipe says to chill for two hours so I put on my shades and the cowboy bebop soundtrack |
| 15:35.17 | Wobin | Is it working? |
| 15:35.28 | Jamash | not really, it's hard to read IRC |
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| 15:40.26 | Maldivia | use TTS then |
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| 15:52.00 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 15:52.05 | Wobin | I have finished this page on tvtropes |
| 15:52.13 | Fisker | this is comedy gold |
| 15:52.13 | Wobin | And I will refrain from clicking any links |
| 15:53.20 | airtonix | what about that one? |
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| 16:22.39 | Ackis | http://i51.tinypic.com/2w6xp92.jpg |
| 16:24.43 | Ackis | is mine bigger than yours Fisker? |
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| 16:38.00 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:38.34 | Adys | Maldivia: just watched yesterday's DW |
| 16:38.48 | Adys | was really nice but what's with Lardo |
| 16:38.50 | Fisker | you came bukkets of lactic fluid? |
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| 16:50.52 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:50.55 | Fisker | splainin |
| 16:50.57 | Fisker | you got some to do |
| 16:54.36 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/77415535532449792 |
| 17:12.33 | Maldivia | Adys :) |
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| 17:15.21 | airtonix | i lol;d |
| 17:15.50 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45tXuAF52E4 |
| 17:18.31 | airtonix | Energy released by two chickens being converted into energy: |
| 17:18.43 | airtonix | ~5lbs each ~= 2.25kg each (4.5kg total) |
| 17:18.53 | airtonix | E = mc^2 = 4.5*(3*10^8)^2 J |
| 17:19.05 | airtonix | E = 405,000,000,000,000,000J ~= 97megatons |
| 17:22.19 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ujjeNZoto |
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| 17:51.46 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 17:51.49 | Fisker | why is cogwheel a jerk? |
| 17:52.33 | Mikk | you turn people into jerks |
| 17:53.11 | Mikk | 's like... "Fisker: troll troll troll" *kneejerk reaction* |
| 17:53.24 | Fisker | disagree |
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| 17:55.50 | Torhal | King of all jersk, Fisker |
| 17:56.54 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 17:56.59 | Fisker | why are you king of all jersk? |
| 17:57.15 | Torhal | That would be you. |
| 17:57.51 | Fisker | commoners can't be kings |
| 18:00.57 | mikma | http://imgur.com/r/Minecraft/NKklq |
| 18:03.03 | airtonix | Fisker: yumadtho |
| 18:03.03 | mikma | http://imgur.com/r/Minecraft/cyAQt |
| 18:03.12 | Fisker | inotmadbro |
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| 18:06.39 | airtonix | fuuuuuuuu |
| 18:06.49 | airtonix | time to be mad |
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| 18:21.21 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/18224/why_gabe_newell_invented_steam.jpg |
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| 18:23.34 | Shirik | that's mean :P |
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| 18:25.47 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cooldog9.jpg |
| 18:26.00 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5808661/hackers-who-hit-sony-now-breach-nintendos-us-website |
| 18:47.59 | Kraps | i cant send an executable through gmail, what do i do instead? |
| 18:50.31 | Caleb| | zip it |
| 18:50.39 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: hrm, rift isn't terribly exciting right now. |
| 18:50.43 | jnwhiteh | maybe its better in a few minutes =) |
| 18:51.27 | Kraps | Caleb|: its zipped :/ |
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| 18:52.31 | Kraps | ok it went |
| 18:52.43 | Kraps | rezipped it |
| 18:52.56 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: did you just start? |
| 18:53.20 | mckenziemc | Kraps: change it to a .txt file! |
| 18:53.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah, like minutes ago |
| 18:53.27 | jnwhiteh | i'm already bored :P |
| 18:53.29 | mckenziemc | i seriously did that once xD |
| 18:53.35 | jnwhiteh | maybe its cause i'm a warrior/paladin |
| 18:53.37 | jnwhiteh | probably a bad idea |
| 18:53.45 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: what faction? |
| 18:53.51 | jnwhiteh | the 'd' one. |
| 18:54.08 | Kraps | *snicker* |
| 18:54.34 | Kraps | casters are indeed flashy |
| 18:54.58 | jnwhiteh | mebbe i'll make a new one :P |
| 18:55.00 | Kraps | havent played melee yet |
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| 19:04.35 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: :( I like it |
| 19:04.40 | Ackis | you're tankish |
| 19:04.45 | jnwhiteh | i'm on now |
| 19:04.49 | jnwhiteh | as an elementalist |
| 19:05.04 | jnwhiteh | it seems to have auto-friended us |
| 19:05.05 | Ackis | "Seriously, how do blind people know when to stop wiping?" "Same way everybody does. When you stop tasting shit on the toilet paper." "Hellen Smeller" |
| 19:05.09 | Ackis | roshea right? |
| 19:05.12 | Ackis | that's my fiancee |
| 19:05.17 | Ackis | I'm ackis |
| 19:05.26 | Ackis | what's your toons name? |
| 19:06.07 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: yep, and pyromancer for fiery goodness |
| 19:06.18 | jnwhiteh | Mallaithe |
| 19:06.53 | Cide | who is the author of prat_ |
| 19:06.54 | Cide | ? |
| 19:07.06 | Cide | yes I am that lazy! |
| 19:07.18 | Cide | sylvanaar? |
| 19:07.21 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:07.21 | Ackis | sylvanaar |
| 19:07.23 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 19:07.25 | Cide | ping |
| 19:07.25 | Ackis | @project prat |
| 19:07.29 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-14506/. Prat. Game: WoW. sylvanaar (Manager/Author). Updated: 979 days ago |
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| 19:10.35 | Cide | maybe someone else can enlighten me if they've had this bug |
| 19:10.42 | Cide | or if it's a stupid feature |
| 19:11.05 | Cide | when I click where the editbox is placed (while it's hidden), it sometimes decides to pop up |
| 19:11.15 | Cide | which is pretty bad when raiding |
| 19:11.45 | Cide | but since I only a day ago moved it closer to the center of my screen I can't tell if it's a bug or a feature I did not know about |
| 19:15.10 | Cide | sylvanaar: ping. |
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| 19:24.54 | sylvanaar | si |
| 19:25.02 | sylvanaar | Cide: ^ |
| 19:25.04 | Cide | awful feature or bug? |
| 19:26.17 | Cide | it stems from modules/Editbox.lua, function mod:ChatEdit_SetLastActiveWindow(frame) |
| 19:26.21 | sylvanaar | that when you click on it it appears? |
| 19:26.25 | Cide | yes |
| 19:26.31 | Cide | despite it being hidden |
| 19:26.40 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 19:26.46 | Cide | you have frame:EnableMouse(true) for both branches |
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| 19:26.57 | Cide | but the SetAlpha(0) should be accompanied by frame:EnableMouse(false) |
| 19:27.33 | Cide | anything else is extremely stupid in my opinion :) |
| 19:27.51 | sylvanaar | :) |
| 19:27.53 | foxlit | At that point, you might as well :Hide |
| 19:28.05 | Cide | there's a comment |
| 19:28.07 | Cide | -- changed the Hide to SetAlpha(0), the new ChatSystem OnHide handlers go though some looping |
| 19:28.07 | Cide | -- when in IM style and Classic style, cause heavy delays on the chat edit box. |
| 19:31.13 | sylvanaar | kagaro and I worked on this together - i can't recall why the enablemouse call is like that it's been a while |
| 19:32.12 | sylvanaar | ill see the source history, sec |
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| 19:39.12 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/self_defence.jpg |
| 19:39.33 | Shirik | Cide |
| 19:39.40 | Cide | Shirik |
| 19:39.53 | Fisker | 3hey Shirik |
| 19:39.56 | Fisker | with a 3 |
| 19:39.59 | Shirik | Why is this giving me a warning |
| 19:40.26 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/YgGbTgvN |
| 19:40.27 | Fisker | because Shirik |
| 19:40.40 | Shirik | warning C4094: untagged 'struct' declared no symbols |
| 19:40.50 | Shirik | ALIGN(n, foo) is just __declspec(align(n)) foo |
| 19:40.57 | Shirik | which for your purposes might as well be foo |
| 19:41.04 | Shirik | I know the ALIGN() macro works |
| 19:41.09 | Fisker | you didn't tag struct or declare symbols |
| 19:41.34 | Fisker | http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm7t07meU31qikjlio1_500.jpg |
| 19:41.47 | mckenziemc1 | tags fisker's mouth with duct tape |
| 19:41.58 | Fisker | why would you do that? |
| 19:42.37 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/priest-of-evil-2010-dvdrip-xvid-fico/ <- lawl finnish movie |
| 19:43.58 | sylvanaar | Cide: im trying to reproduce the problem - can you tell me when it becomes clickable? |
| 19:44.06 | Cide | no idea |
| 19:44.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:44.16 | Cide | I have it in free-floating locked mode |
| 19:44.21 | Cide | Shirik: oh, you don't know the answer? |
| 19:44.23 | Shirik | no |
| 19:44.27 | Shirik | fine, next question |
| 19:44.34 | Shirik | How do I move something from ST(0) to xmm0 |
| 19:45.02 | Cide | yeah I'm not the person to ask |
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| 19:46.08 | Cide | sylvanaar: I have it in the center of the screen, free-floating locked |
| 19:46.12 | sylvanaar | Cide: well, it isnt a feature at least :) |
| 19:46.25 | Cide | sylvanaar: it doesn't seem to happen right after I open it normally (with enter) |
| 19:46.36 | Cide | but if I wait a while and spam mouse clicks over the general area, it eventually pops up |
| 19:47.12 | Cide | I'm guessing whenever prat invokes mod:ChatEdit_SetLastActiveWindow |
| 19:47.19 | Cide | I don't know when it does that though |
| 19:47.25 | Cide | (make sure you have the editbox module loaded :P) |
| 19:47.31 | sylvanaar | :P |
| 19:47.52 | sylvanaar | im trying now with the setup you mention |
| 19:48.08 | sylvanaar | but i cant seem to reproduce it |
| 19:48.36 | Cide | hit enter twice to show/hide it |
| 19:48.43 | Cide | and then wait a minute and then spam clicks where it sits |
| 19:49.19 | Cide | or just invoke the method yourself with the relevant frame and watch it happen :) |
| 19:50.16 | mckenziemc1 | working as intended! |
| 19:50.34 | mckenziemc1 | if user == Cide then |
| 19:53.36 | sylvanaar | Cide: even if i call the function directly i cant reproduce the issue |
| 19:54.13 | sylvanaar | you certain you arent running another addon that could be making interfering? |
| 19:54.27 | Cide | pretty sure |
| 19:54.38 | Cide | are you calling the functions directly using said editbox? :P |
| 19:55.07 | sylvanaar | heres what i am doing /script editbox:ChatEdit_SetLastActiveWindow(ChatFrame1EditBox) |
| 19:55.29 | Cide | and after that is executed a bunch of other code runs |
| 19:55.40 | Cide | you need to do it from a keybind or something without interfering with the editbox |
| 19:55.43 | Cide | most likely |
| 19:56.05 | Cide | not a macro since that may interfere too |
| 19:56.24 | Jamash | shirik: you defined an anonymous struct with no instances. |
| 19:57.33 | sylvanaar | Cide: /script ChatFrame1EditBox:EnableMouse(true) doesnt even make it clickable |
| 19:57.45 | Cide | don't do it in the editbox :P |
| 19:57.58 | Cide | since that code is executed and *after* that a bunch of other code runs as a result of it closing |
| 19:58.23 | Cide | here's a better version |
| 19:58.39 | Jamash | Shirik: Also, use a better compiler |
| 19:58.51 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.59 | Cide | ^ reproduces |
| 19:59.34 | Cide | Jamash: does YOUR compiler detect undereferenced access to a reference in inline assembly HUH? |
| 20:00.19 | sylvanaar | Cide: lol that doesnt even make it clickable for me |
| 20:00.43 | Cide | you must be lacking a setting then or something |
| 20:00.59 | sylvanaar | must be - can you try with just Prat though |
| 20:03.21 | Cide | what is db.profile.hideDialog? |
| 20:03.30 | sylvanaar | unused setting |
| 20:03.34 | sylvanaar | apparently |
| 20:03.39 | Cide | is it set for you? |
| 20:03.45 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 20:03.48 | Cide | unset it |
| 20:03.57 | Cide | nil it, that is |
| 20:03.59 | Cide | it's nil for me |
| 20:04.05 | Cide | and try the script I gave you again |
| 20:05.04 | Fisker | sylvanaar |
| 20:05.24 | Cide | brb |
| 20:05.29 | sylvanaar | Fisker |
| 20:06.13 | Fisker | hey |
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| 20:08.54 | sylvanaar | Cide: nothing I have done so far has made it happen. did you try without any addons? maybe pastey or send me your saved variables |
| 20:09.13 | Kraps | know whats great about rift? it has a "look behind" button |
| 20:09.35 | Fisker | LOL |
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| 20:12.49 | Maldivia | Kraps: you never played with "mirrors" in wow? |
| 20:13.44 | Maldivia | although, that stopped working around patch 1.12 or so :) |
| 20:14.03 | Kraps | no, what was that? |
| 20:14.04 | Cide | sylvanaar: meh |
| 20:14.05 | Jamash | Cide: Your words are unfamiliar to me |
| 20:14.15 | Cide | Jamash: good to know |
| 20:14.29 | Jamash | I don't do assembly |
| 20:14.36 | Cide | sylvanaar: I'll just keep my locally fixed copy and if it works for everyone else, all the better |
| 20:14.40 | Cide | me neither |
| 20:15.00 | Cide | the chat resize bug was from an incompatibility with CT_Core, but I disabled that |
| 20:15.00 | sylvanaar | Cide: ok |
| 20:15.08 | Cide | I don't believe any other addon I have should do anything with chat |
| 20:15.09 | Maldivia | Kraps: you could create multiple WorldFrame objects, and have the cameras in them look in different directions |
| 20:15.28 | Cide | sylvanaar: but you probably want my fix anyway |
| 20:15.30 | mckenziemc1 | would that actually work though |
| 20:15.36 | Jamash | Maldivia: ...could you? |
| 20:15.55 | Cide | sylvanaar: if you look just lines below in mod:ChatEdit_DeactivateChat, you see the same if statement but it also has EnableMouse(false) like I suggested |
| 20:16.05 | Maldivia | Jamash: yeah, and only the most recently created would be controllable :P |
| 20:16.11 | Maldivia | Jamash: was fun playing with back then :P |
| 20:16.13 | Cide | whereas in SetLastActiveWindow() it only sets the alpha to zero, but keeps the mouse enabled |
| 20:16.17 | Jamash | that's weird |
| 20:16.32 | Jamash | so you could have a rear-view mirror |
| 20:16.37 | Maldivia | let me see if I can find the screenshot somewhere |
| 20:16.37 | Cide | (which leads to it accepting mouse clicks which leads to it showing, at least for me) |
| 20:16.49 | mckenziemc1 | Maldivia: does it still work? |
| 20:16.52 | sylvanaar | Cide: ill put your fix in and see if anyone reports any issues |
| 20:17.05 | Maldivia | mckenziemc1: no, havne't for a long time |
| 20:17.07 | Cide | cool |
| 20:17.12 | Cide | less local changes for me! |
| 20:17.15 | Jamash | "(4:12:56 PM) Maldivia: although, that stopped working around patch 1.12 or so :)" |
| 20:17.16 | mckenziemc1 | aww |
| 20:17.24 | Maldivia | mckenziemc1: only secure code can create WorldFrame objects now |
| 20:17.58 | mckenziemc1 | Jamash: "mirrors" may have been referring to something different |
| 20:18.04 | Jamash | you could put a static texture in a frame and pretend it was a world frame |
| 20:18.33 | Jamash | while crying softly to yourself |
| 20:19.32 | Jamash | I spent about four hours yesterday debugging grub2 (evil piece of crap) and I finally got my server up and booting and all |
| 20:19.55 | Jamash | and today my dad says it's not booting and there's a faint smell of smoke :( |
| 20:20.24 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
| 20:20.33 | Jamash | I hope I didn't fry anything while moving hard drives around inside the case |
| 20:21.43 | Maldivia | Jamash: can't remember where my screenshots from back then are stored, so can't find the screneshot right now |
| 20:21.59 | Jamash | Maldivia: you should upload them to the clouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud |
| 20:22.14 | Maldivia | meen |
| 20:22.16 | Maldivia | meeh |
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| 20:36.46 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
| 20:36.48 | Fisker | do you hate me? |
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| 20:39.14 | Jamash | hate is a kind of love |
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| 20:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | oh wow, namechanging certainly does some interesting things with addons |
| 20:50.21 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 20:51.02 | Mr_Rabies | bartender and guppet seemed to revert to defaults but everything else seems okay for now |
| 20:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | it could have been because i had a profile named after the character or something, i dunno |
| 20:51.36 | mckenziemc1 | the former use "name - server" keys in a db, the latter probably use per character saved variables |
| 20:51.40 | Jamash | anything that's stored in globals indexed by character name would go blooey |
| 20:51.44 | mckenziemc1 | actually, latter would still break |
| 20:51.54 | Jamash | yeah |
| 20:52.08 | Jamash | global search and replace? |
| 20:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | and it seems my character saved vars folder was deleted for that char |
| 20:52.20 | Jamash | oh crap I need to finish making pasta salad |
| 20:52.21 | Jamash | brb |
| 20:52.29 | Mr_Rabies | though deleting the char doesn't delete them @_@ |
| 20:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it renamed it but some stuff was global |
| 20:55.13 | Fisker | btw cogwheel |
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| 20:58.51 | zenzelezz | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny-celebrity-pictures-i-am-not-good-with-computers.jpg |
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| 20:59.52 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 20:59.54 | Fisker | I AM THE LAW |
| 21:02.32 | mikma | fuck them, and their law |
| 21:05.51 | Hjalte | http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/live/starcraft_2_red |
| 21:06.02 | Hjalte | Can everyone select high quality? |
| 21:07.05 | Fisker | works fine yeah |
| 21:07.32 | Hjalte | I wasn't able to find anywhere that would let me buy higher quality, so I guess they just made it free for this tournament. |
| 21:07.38 | Fisker | kinda sad how both Halo and CoD is an esport |
| 21:09.59 | Hjalte | At least MLG figured out that most people want to watch SC2 |
| 21:10.17 | Hjalte | and got two streams up |
| 21:12.01 | Fisker | btw you can destroy the n00b depots |
| 21:12.21 | Hjalte | Did you watch the three last games? |
| 21:12.38 | Fisker | no |
| 21:12.53 | Fisker | i shouldn't really watch idra playing at all |
| 21:12.59 | Hjalte | Idra quit within a few minutes in each of them |
| 21:13.11 | Hjalte | He's kind of cool and kind of a jerk. |
| 21:15.19 | Fisker | yeah |
| 21:15.21 | Fisker | he's a twat |
| 21:15.32 | Fisker | he betrayed the law |
| 21:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | hrmmm |
| 21:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | before i try to figure out the logic involved |
| 21:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | is it even possible to write a macro that "if the target is hostile, i cast on the target's target; if it's friendly I cast on the target?" that's possible with a macro, right? |
| 21:19.22 | zenzelezz | hm, not sure about the first part |
| 21:19.42 | zenzelezz | might be possible, but if it is it's beyond my limited experience |
| 21:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | hrmmm |
| 21:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | i thought target=targettarget was possible but i'm not seeing that listed |
| 21:23.26 | mckenziemc1 | you can't check a different unit (except yourself) than what you want to cast at |
| 21:23.51 | mckenziemc1 | well |
| 21:23.57 | mckenziemc1 | you can use priorities |
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| 21:26.21 | Overfl0wz | Hey |
| 21:26.39 | Fisker | that was nice Hjalte |
| 21:26.48 | Fisker | i like idra disses |
| 21:26.59 | Hjalte | Fisker: Haha, that other guy, he's a jerk too. |
| 21:27.21 | Fisker | being a jerk against jerks is ok |
| 21:27.28 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: could try something like /cast [@target,help] Greater Heal;[@targettarget,help] Greater Heal |
| 21:27.47 | Fisker | so is tasteless not casting for gom anymore? |
| 21:29.50 | Fisker | guess that answers that |
| 21:34.38 | karl_w_w | http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Power-and-Cables/AV-Cables/BE2230206 |
| 21:34.45 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 21:35.14 | karl_w_w | would anybody actually buy an hdmi cable for $80? |
| 21:37.24 | Gnarfoz | lots of people |
| 21:38.25 | Fisker | generally the whole connector/cable business is one giant scam |
| 21:39.07 | Fisker | i still remember having to pay like 50 euro for a freaking vga to dvi connector |
| 21:39.10 | Fisker | i was mad |
| 21:39.18 | foxlit | buy a graphics card, Fisker. |
| 21:39.47 | Fisker | most graphics cards in that range got dvi/vga/hdmi anyway |
| 21:40.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.37 | foxlit | Also on youtube already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yOw-hYMbDY |
| 21:42.51 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:43.07 | Fisker | what a dick |
| 21:43.51 | mckenziemc1 | daww |
| 21:44.11 | mckenziemc1 | i wanted to test some realid stuff with invites but there seems to be a silent throttle on it |
| 21:44.15 | foxlit | totally spoilerific title on that video, though |
| 21:44.35 | mckenziemc1 | had to unfriend to try again but it silently fails -- makes sense to prevent abuse, but makes my testing harder :( |
| 21:44.46 | mckenziemc1 | sending another invite silently fails* |
| 21:56.48 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 21:56.51 | Fisker | why do you hate me? |
| 21:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah something kinda like that zenzelezz worked |
| 21:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | /cast [help] Mind Sear; [target=targettarget] Mind Sear |
| 21:59.42 | Overfl0wz | Hi when we have for e.g function(...) Manage:LoadOther(...) |
| 21:59.46 | Overfl0wz | what (...) means? |
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| 22:07.07 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/11440/ "Notice: Does not support Windows 7" |
| 22:07.12 | Kraps | can i lol? |
| 22:07.16 | Kraps | lols |
| 22:10.47 | Fisker | old |
| 22:12.01 | mckenziemc1 | Overfl0wz: the first occurrence means "collect everything that's passed to this function, no matter how many arguments are passed" and the 2nd means "now pass all those arguments to the LoadOther function" |
| 22:12.29 | mckenziemc1 | it's called a vararg, because it allows handling of a variable number of arguments |
| 22:13.44 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: heh |
| 22:15.34 | Fisker | you're afk Cairenn|afk |
| 22:16.05 | mckenziemc1 | you're Fisker Fisker |
| 22:16.13 | Fisker | thank you mckenziemc1 |
| 22:16.49 | mckenziemc1 | you're Fisker your Fiskerness |
| 22:17.00 | Fisker | thank you mckenziemc1 |
| 22:17.15 | Overfl0wz | Thanks mckenziemc |
| 22:17.28 | Overfl0wz | *mckenziemc1 |
| 22:19.12 | Fisker | i wat'd |
| 22:26.22 | kd3 | neat. my system is dirty now |
| 22:26.30 | kd3 | currently installing win7x64 inside a vm for class |
| 22:33.21 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 22:33.27 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 22:33.27 | Fisker | how is it dirty? |
| 22:33.39 | kd3 | because this is the first time windows has ever touched it? |
| 22:34.07 | Kraps | so windows is now a filthy whore? |
| 22:35.00 | Fisker | i don't think so |
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| 22:39.21 | Kraps | Fisker: whats new with windows 8? |
| 22:39.40 | Fisker | what isnt? |
| 22:39.49 | Cide | THE BRAND NAME. |
| 22:40.15 | Fisker | sure is |
| 22:40.22 | Fisker | unless you mean "Windows" |
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| 22:43.27 | Cide | I do |
| 22:43.51 | Fisker | NEWER THAN LINUX LOL |
| 22:51.34 | sylvanaar | i love these new shoes http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-KSO-Trek-Mens.htm |
| 22:51.43 | Kraps | "We're reactivating all accounts inactive prior to June 1, 2011 (no banned or trial accounts, sorry) to let you get a free taste of the new content and features of the Aion 2.5 MMORPG update, Aion Empyrean Callingâ¢." |
| 22:52.44 | sylvanaar | "Kangaroo Leather" |
| 22:52.51 | sylvanaar | hop hop |
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| 23:07.57 | Kraps | spammer |
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| 23:12.30 | Overfl0wz | ". TSMAPI:RegisterSidebarFunction("TradeSkillMaster_Auctioning", nil, "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_AvengineWrath", |
| 23:12.31 | Overfl0wz | L["Auctioning - Post"], function(...) private.readyStatus = true LoadSidebarFrame("Post", ...) private.readyStatus = false end, function() Manage:HideSidebarFrame("Post") end). " |
| 23:12.47 | Overfl0wz | how can i save what is passed on (...) in order to call onclick |
| 23:12.48 | Cide | good to know |
| 23:13.06 | Cide | you confuse me |
| 23:13.09 | Overfl0wz | LoadSideBarframe("Post", ...) |
| 23:13.16 | Cide | what about it |
| 23:13.27 | Overfl0wz | function is LoadSideBarFrame(stype, frame) |
| 23:13.32 | Overfl0wz | frame is a table right? |
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| 23:13.42 | Cide | if it's a wow frame, yes |
| 23:13.58 | Overfl0wz | i want to click on a button call this LoadSideBarFrame(stype, frame) |
| 23:14.23 | Cide | so do local frame = ... |
| 23:14.27 | Cide | and then save it somewhere |
| 23:14.30 | Cide | and call it with that variable |
| 23:14.32 | Cide | also |
| 23:14.34 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 23:14.57 | Overfl0wz | i didnt think local frame = ... |
| 23:15.13 | Overfl0wz | would work lets test, yeah sorry i know i should read a little about lua before start in edits -.- |
| 23:19.42 | Kraps | http://chzheroes.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/tumblr_l6k5jglivd1qd44ano1_500.gif |
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| 23:38.50 | foxlit | http://i.imgur.com/SyPBE.jpg |
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