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| 00:21.01 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/Nsb4J.jpg |
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| 00:23.14 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:32.54 | Shirik | oh memorial day weekend huh |
| 00:33.16 | Shirik | I get a 3 day weekend |
| 00:33.17 | Shirik | whee |
| 00:35.43 | Arrowmaster | this storm better be over before tickets go on sale |
| 00:36.05 | Shirik | when do they go on sale? |
| 00:36.13 | Arrowmaster | 1.5 hours |
| 00:36.44 | Shirik | orly? |
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| 00:36.54 | Arrowmaster | fuck, radar shows the tail end of the system coming this way |
| 00:37.13 | Shirik | might jump in the queue just in case |
| 00:37.25 | Arrowmaster | do it |
| 00:37.42 | Shirik | I seem to have a fast connection |
| 00:37.46 | Arrowmaster | ill be trying for 4 tickets even though i only need one |
| 00:37.48 | Shirik | maybe because I'm west coast |
| 00:37.53 | Shirik | I can't afford that |
| 00:37.54 | Shirik | right now |
| 00:38.00 | Shirik | very bad timing for selling tickets |
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| 00:43.08 | Arrowmaster | what is with everyones desire to replace irc with a web service, like flowdock, campfire, and even stackexchanges chatrooms |
| 00:45.44 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:45.49 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:45.53 | Shirik | wolfram alpha made a mistake |
| 00:45.55 | Shirik | I am surprised |
| 00:46.05 | Cide | did it say "j" |
| 00:46.12 | Shirik | ...no |
| 00:46.19 | Cide | OH SNAP |
| 00:46.37 | Shirik | It claims simiultaneously that ln(0) is -inf and that e^x=0 has no solution |
| 00:46.50 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:46.51 | Shirik | Those are contradictory statements |
| 00:47.15 | Cide | doesn't it mean that lim x -> 0+ ln(x) = -inf? |
| 00:47.22 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:47.24 | Shirik | no hang on |
| 00:47.25 | Cide | which isn't contradictory with e^x = 0 has no solution |
| 00:47.53 | Shirik | e^x = 0 is equivaent to ln(0)=x |
| 00:48.06 | Shirik | So you cannot tell me ln(0) is -inf and x has no solution |
| 00:48.10 | Cide | INDEED |
| 00:48.13 | Cide | err, indeed |
| 00:48.17 | Cide | but you also cannot say that ln(0) = -inf |
| 00:48.21 | Cide | you can also say that the limit is -inf |
| 00:48.23 | Shirik | I accept that argument |
| 00:48.29 | Cide | err |
| 00:48.31 | Cide | you can only say* |
| 00:48.48 | Shirik | I'm willing to accept either solution |
| 00:48.49 | Shirik | but not both |
| 00:49.10 | Shirik | you cannot say "in this context ln(0) is -inf and in this context ln(0) is undefined" |
| 00:49.54 | Fisker | next you're going to tell me that 10 + 10 x 0 = 10 |
| 00:50.00 | Fisker | i mean what crazy person comes up with that shit? |
| 00:51.00 | Fisker | do you come up with crazy shit like that Shirik ? |
| 00:51.14 | Shirik | obviously it's 20 |
| 00:51.29 | Fisker | actually it's 0 |
| 00:51.42 | Shirik | oh reginald |
| 00:52.34 | Fisker | who is reginald? |
| 00:52.41 | Fisker | and why did you set me up on wikipedia? |
| 00:54.24 | kd3 | oh, that's new |
| 00:54.32 | kd3 | ERR_INSUFF_TRACKED_CURRENCY_IS = "You must earn %d more %s for the season in order to purchase that item."; |
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| 00:54.52 | Fisker | looks old to me kd3 |
| 00:56.21 | Shirik | reginald is the man with which you disagree Fisker |
| 00:56.28 | Fisker | oh ok Shirik |
| 00:56.31 | Fisker | anyway kd3 |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvP7Jv8rUK4 |
| 00:57.04 | Fisker | any details pointing to them not being batshit insane and charge for feature that should've been in the game with at no extra charge? |
| 00:57.18 | kd3 | no news on that front |
| 00:58.03 | Fisker | they probably hired some idiot from trion who's sitting at his office with a serious trollface on |
| 00:58.33 | A-KO | http://www.microsoft.com/security/sir/keyfindings/default.aspx#section_4_2 |
| 00:58.54 | Fisker | old A-KO |
| 00:59.05 | Fisker | in the meantime the mac infection rate is 0% because macdefender doesn't exist lol! |
| 00:59.13 | kd3 | emails away |
| 01:00.30 | Fisker | i should've gone to sleep like 3 hours ago kd3 |
| 01:00.37 | Fisker | what should a free Fisker do? |
| 01:00.51 | kd3 | purchase 4 blizzcon tickets for resale on ebay in an hour? |
| 01:01.04 | Fisker | nah |
| 01:01.08 | Fisker | i'm not that kind of guy |
| 01:01.14 | Fisker | i'd sell 3 and use those to finance the trip |
| 01:01.20 | Fisker | for the 4th ticket |
| 01:02.14 | Fisker | no idea on how i would deal with paypal though |
| 01:02.26 | Fisker | technically they could just go "lol i didn't get it, i want my money back" |
| 01:02.32 | Fisker | and paypal could go like "lol assets frozen" |
| 01:02.59 | Fisker | of course i could go like "lol withdraw" beforehand and then "Problem officer?" when they want their negative balance repaid |
| 01:03.03 | Fisker | then never use Paypal again |
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| 01:17.17 | Lunessa | How many of you are currently camped on the sales page? |
| 01:17.48 | Arrowmaster | me |
| 01:18.38 | Mr_Rabies | too rich for my blood |
| 01:19.12 | Lunessa | If ticket prices rise significantly next year, I'll probably give it a pass too. |
| 01:19.58 | Lunessa | I go mostly for the people. You lot. And friends in So Cal. |
| 01:20.11 | Lunessa | And the booze. |
| 01:27.13 | Jamash | tornado warning |
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| 01:31.01 | Thunder_Child | i think i am just going to drive down for the dinner but not bother staying. |
| 01:31.12 | Cide | in how long is it? |
| 01:31.15 | Cide | purchases |
| 01:31.19 | Arrowmaster | 30 minutes |
| 01:31.23 | Cide | ah |
| 01:31.38 | bluspacecow | how many of you have done this before http://xkcd.com/649/ |
| 01:33.38 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Does this mean I actually have to pony up on the beer I owe you? |
| 01:34.02 | bluspacecow | ya dont put beer on a pony |
| 01:34.05 | bluspacecow | you drink it ! |
| 01:35.45 | Gagorian | So will the one after that be Jelly Bean?! |
| 01:35.58 | Gagorian | Whoops, megascrolled up |
| 01:36.13 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: you didnt have to do it last year |
| 01:36.32 | Lunessa | I don't recall seeing you. I must have already been drunk. |
| 01:37.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont think i saw TC last year either, or i dont remember it |
| 01:39.06 | Thunder_Child | i was there |
| 01:41.06 | Arrowmaster | well if i didnt catch you before we got seated i missed you |
| 01:44.28 | Ackis | for the blizzcon tickets I can change my quantity at the purchase right? |
| 01:44.38 | Ackis | so I don't have to select it at the start? |
| 01:47.04 | Shirik | I didn't see a way to do that |
| 01:47.14 | Shirik | but adys claimed that you could pick 1, then go back and pick 4 |
| 01:47.15 | Arrowmaster | thats what ive been told but i cant comment for sure |
| 01:47.19 | Shirik | and not move in line |
| 01:47.43 | Arrowmaster | i thought he said you could change the number once you got out of the queue and to the checkout page |
| 01:48.41 | Shirik | tbh I wouldn't risk it either way |
| 01:50.22 | Cide | both are correct |
| 01:50.41 | Cide | last year I picked 1, went back and picked 5 and then changed to 3 at checkout |
| 01:50.54 | Cide | and I ended up at like place 150 |
| 01:56.12 | Arrowmaster | i thought Shirik tried that on saturday but it put him to the end of the queue |
| 01:56.25 | Shirik | I have no idea where it put me |
| 01:56.30 | Shirik | but I did get position like 600 |
| 02:00.08 | Arrowmaster | 965 |
| 02:00.10 | cogwheel | 118 |
| 02:00.10 | Arrowmaster | FUCK YES |
| 02:00.15 | Cide | 4643 ^_^ |
| 02:00.15 | cogwheel | fuck yeser |
| 02:00.16 | Arrowmaster | should i get 4 |
| 02:00.20 | kd3 | goddamn it... 8472 |
| 02:00.26 | Arrowmaster | ill get 4 tickets |
| 02:00.34 | Shirik | I beat Arrowmaster |
| 02:00.41 | Arrowmaster | did you beat cog? |
| 02:00.55 | Shirik | not quite :( |
| 02:00.57 | Shirik | 200s |
| 02:01.05 | Shirik | I screwed up and hit refresh one extra time |
| 02:01.15 | Arrowmaster | i only picked 1 ticket but ill change it at checkout |
| 02:01.48 | A-KO | my buddy got 200s |
| 02:01.51 | Arrowmaster | kd3: not getting a ticket from wowpedia? |
| 02:01.56 | kd3 | dunno |
| 02:02.36 | Arrowmaster | queue is not moving |
| 02:02.46 | Arrowmaster | there it goes |
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| 02:05.20 | cogwheel | 4 tickets ordered |
| 02:05.28 | cogwheel | 2 available for resale ;) |
| 02:05.42 | |Jelly| | Dear Shirik: You better be going! <3 Jelly |
| 02:05.54 | Shirik | I had my tickets last saturday |
| 02:06.08 | |Jelly| | Good. |
| 02:06.55 | Ackis | looks like I'll be getting tickets! /dance |
| 02:07.38 | A-KO | I have 8 minutes left |
| 02:07.41 | A-KO | if anyone wants to pp me |
| 02:08.10 | Arrowmaster | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 02:08.13 | Arrowmaster | IT WONT TAKE MY CC |
| 02:08.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:08.24 | A-KO | Arrowmaster |
| 02:09.14 | Arrowmaster | had to use my debit card |
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| 02:09.31 | Arrowmaster | but i have 4 tickets |
| 02:09.37 | Arrowmaster | so i have 3 extras people |
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| 02:13.01 | Arrowmaster | have until june 10th to change the names on tickets |
| 02:14.29 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: za/zg? |
| 02:14.39 | Grum | <cogwheel> 2 available for resale ;) <-- wtb 1 ;) |
| 02:16.04 | Shirik | cogwheel: Charge him $1000 |
| 02:16.07 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: same thing happened to me |
| 02:16.19 | Grum | zomg wtb1 :) |
| 02:16.43 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel: it kept telling me to recheck my cc info but theres no place to edit it, only reenter it all completely |
| 02:16.53 | cogwheel | same |
| 02:16.58 | Arrowmaster | so i just used my debit card instead and it worked instantly |
| 02:17.07 | Shirik | obviously you need a better card |
| 02:17.13 | Arrowmaster | my CC is mastercard and debit is visa |
| 02:17.14 | Shirik | it's probably some crappy discover |
| 02:17.34 | Shirik | does it start with a 54 or 56? |
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| 02:17.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: no its a platinum select mastercard |
| 02:17.47 | Arrowmaster | 51 |
| 02:18.02 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: did you get a ticket? |
| 02:18.04 | Shirik | oh right it's visa that does that |
| 02:18.11 | Xinhuan | umm |
| 02:18.12 | Xinhuan | lets just say |
| 02:18.13 | Shirik | wait no it's not |
| 02:18.15 | Xinhuan | i arrived at work |
| 02:18.23 | Shirik | visa just starts with 4 |
| 02:18.24 | Xinhuan | to find that my work macbook pro refuses to turn on |
| 02:18.30 | kd3 | ouch |
| 02:18.39 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: cog got 2 extras and i got 3 extras |
| 02:18.41 | Xinhuan | the light blinks on, the cd rom tries to find a cd |
| 02:18.42 | Cide | apple's reliability has always been staggering |
| 02:18.48 | Xinhuan | and then the screen is blank |
| 02:18.58 | Xinhuan | i got in the queue on my iphone at 9800, so.... |
| 02:19.00 | cogwheel | grum called mine |
| 02:19.01 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 02:19.05 | Shirik | queue is at 12k |
| 02:19.11 | Arrowmaster | both of them? |
| 02:19.22 | Xinhuan | so cogwheel, all your tickets are reserved now? |
| 02:19.33 | Shirik | ok sleep time |
| 02:19.34 | Shirik | NIGHT |
| 02:19.39 | cogwheel | tentatively |
| 02:19.40 | Cide | night |
| 02:19.51 | Arrowmaster | tentatively until money is exchanged |
| 02:19.52 | Cide | I may actually be able to get tickets |
| 02:20.01 | cogwheel | there are others in queue still |
| 02:20.03 | Cide | 1269 in queue, 47% left |
| 02:20.09 | Cide | started at 4.6k or so |
| 02:20.12 | Xinhuan | i'm on the server room's computer atm :P |
| 02:20.16 | Xinhuan | with a copy of mirc lolol |
| 02:20.28 | Cide | your server room's computer runs windows? |
| 02:20.39 | Xinhuan | its just a home network |
| 02:20.51 | Xinhuan | and it isn't my home |
| 02:20.53 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 02:21.09 | Xinhuan | so "server room" is really just the computer 10m away |
| 02:21.28 | Cide | I see |
| 02:22.03 | Xinhuan | so hmm, what to do with this macbook now |
| 02:22.35 | Xinhuan | screen's blank, hdmi output produces an empty signal, mouse on usb has light, but caps lock doesn't respond |
| 02:22.55 | Lunessa | Is it still under warranty? |
| 02:22.59 | Xinhuan | no idea |
| 02:23.01 | Xinhuan | its not mine |
| 02:23.08 | Lunessa | Is it less than three years old? |
| 02:23.22 | Xinhuan | dunno! |
| 02:23.35 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, i'll probably buy one of your tickets |
| 02:23.43 | kd3 | yeah, I'm not gonna get one... 4500 in queue right now |
| 02:24.03 | Xinhuan | i don't see myself getting one queueing from 9800 (now 5800) |
| 02:24.05 | Lunessa | If it's less than 3 years old, it's under warranty and Apple will fix it. |
| 02:24.15 | A-KO | I have one ticket available |
| 02:24.15 | Arrowmaster | kd3: when do you find out if you get one from wowpedia? |
| 02:24.33 | airtonix | Xinhuan: sell it to a self help musuem group |
| 02:24.44 | airtonix | or whatever |
| 02:24.47 | airtonix | n stuff |
| 02:24.51 | Xinhuan | unfotunately, making iphone apps does require a frigging mac |
| 02:25.03 | airtonix | just don't make iphone apps |
| 02:25.06 | airtonix | simple |
| 02:25.40 | airtonix | how many new iOS users a day are there? |
| 02:26.21 | Xinhuan | no clue |
| 02:26.31 | Xinhuan | but its probably growing due to ipad2 |
| 02:26.38 | Cide | ok |
| 02:26.42 | Cide | Xinhuan wants a ticket? |
| 02:26.50 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 02:26.50 | Cide | anyone else? |
| 02:26.57 | Arrowmaster | he said he would take one of mine |
| 02:27.03 | Cide | oh |
| 02:27.12 | Cide | I thought you said all others were tentatively taken |
| 02:27.18 | Arrowmaster | that was cog |
| 02:27.18 | Xinhuan | that was cogwheel |
| 02:27.22 | Cide | ah |
| 02:27.30 | Arrowmaster | buy 4 if you can afford it though |
| 02:27.31 | Xinhuan | i didbuy from cide last year though |
| 02:27.54 | Xinhuan | but i stayed with arrowmaster (shared room) last year too |
| 02:27.58 | Cide | I probably won't buy any unless people are interested right now |
| 02:28.09 | Cide | I need to book an expensive flight and all |
| 02:28.19 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: im not staying in that hotel again this year, i want closer |
| 02:29.22 | kd3 | yeah, I need to buy one from someone in here. not going to get to the front of the line before the queue runs out. |
| 02:29.45 | kd3 | s/queue/stock/ |
| 02:30.44 | Cide | Arrowmaster got extra or do you need one from me? |
| 02:30.50 | Ackis | so should I have my hotel reserved already? |
| 02:30.51 | Arrowmaster | i got extra |
| 02:32.05 | kd3 | and there goes the stock |
| 02:32.08 | Cide | ok then |
| 02:33.29 | Xinhuan | yeah Arrowmaster |
| 02:33.36 | Xinhuan | i probably want hilton this year |
| 02:33.40 | Xinhuan | or mariotte |
| 02:33.44 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking mariotte |
| 02:33.59 | Xinhuan | any paticular reason? |
| 02:34.09 | Arrowmaster | i figured it would be cheaper than hilton |
| 02:34.16 | Xinhuan | is it? |
| 02:34.17 | Arrowmaster | how much did you pay total for the room last year? |
| 02:34.21 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 02:34.26 | Xinhuan | 650ish i think |
| 02:34.37 | Xinhuan | for 4d3n |
| 02:35.23 | bluspacecow | anyone still needing tickets ? |
| 02:35.33 | Xinhuan | you managed to buy some bluspacecow? |
| 02:35.45 | bluspacecow | nah i has a friend who got 8 extras |
| 02:35.55 | Grum | this is not a good time to be awake ... 4am :P |
| 02:35.58 | Xinhuan | your friend is a hacker |
| 02:36.00 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:36.16 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: damn i was thinking about saying on sunday and going home on monday, with that extra day it makes it over double what you paid last year |
| 02:36.37 | Xinhuan | the 650 includes your 300 btw |
| 02:36.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah i figured |
| 02:37.00 | Xinhuan | mariotte is what 180 per night? |
| 02:37.07 | Arrowmaster | 250 |
| 02:37.17 | Xinhuan | and hilton? |
| 02:37.33 | bluspacecow | anyone need tickets ? i has a friend who s got 8 .... email CurtM@cmdigital.org an email .... face value of course |
| 02:37.52 | bluspacecow | had a few friends back out |
| 02:37.55 | Arrowmaster | 205? |
| 02:37.56 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 02:38.13 | Arrowmaster | hilton doesnt have free wifi though |
| 02:38.14 | Xinhuan | i do expect hilton to be pricier |
| 02:38.39 | Xinhuan | hilton's has wired ethernet in the rooms - 12 usd per 24 hours |
| 02:38.51 | Xinhuan | about 6mbps i think |
| 02:39.01 | Lunessa | A bunch of folks go to Disney on Sunday. |
| 02:39.04 | Arrowmaster | the way this site describes it, hilton has free internet |
| 02:39.11 | Xinhuan | its not free |
| 02:39.12 | Arrowmaster | but im doubting that |
| 02:39.24 | Xinhuan | its $12 per mac address per 24 hour block from time of payment |
| 02:39.37 | Arrowmaster | "Standard room contains two queen beds. In-room amenities include TV with free HBO,CNN, ESPN and the Disney Channel as well as pay-per-view movies,hairdryer, coffee maker, alarm radio, high speed Internet access, iron and ironing board, telephone with voice mail, 24 hour housekeeping." |
| 02:40.04 | Xinhuan | yeah internet access doesn't say free |
| 02:40.15 | Xinhuan | it just says it has those amenities |
| 02:41.04 | Xinhuan | you're looking at a 5d4n trip? or 4d3n? |
| 02:41.34 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 02:42.09 | Arrowmaster | the flights im finding are all better if i fly in thursday morning or wednesday night |
| 02:42.34 | Arrowmaster | i kinda liked how we did it last year where i could fly in in the morning and have a room waiting |
| 02:43.19 | Arrowmaster | trying to find a flight that is late enough to be able to check in when i get there but early enough to do everything thursday is a bitch |
| 02:44.34 | Kraps | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/05/26tbs-pipes-you-say-be-still-my-beating-heart.ars |
| 02:45.36 | kd3 | the url for that one is amusing |
| 02:45.58 | Ackis | blizzcon tickets AND heroic maloriak down! |
| 02:46.48 | Arrowmaster | the price at the mariotte goes up the more people you say you will have |
| 02:46.54 | Arrowmaster | but its still the same room |
| 02:47.05 | Kraps | you sure are winning the lottery of life Ackis |
| 02:47.48 | kd3 | Arrowmaster, ping |
| 02:47.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah just saw the pm |
| 02:49.56 | Ackis | so which are the two hotels close to the convention centre? mariot and something else? |
| 02:50.31 | Arrowmaster | hilton |
| 02:50.42 | Arrowmaster | they are really close |
| 02:50.53 | Arrowmaster | the rest arent that bad though |
| 02:51.13 | Ackis | Fri/Sat is blizzcon, Sun is disneyland? |
| 02:51.22 | kd3 | I stayed at the hilton garden inn last year (I'm on the hilton rewards program), short walk, way the hell cheaper |
| 02:51.24 | Lunessa | I stayed at the Super8 on Katella last year. Not bad, really. |
| 02:51.54 | Torhal|work | Foo |
| 02:52.04 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: get a ticket? |
| 02:52.19 | pompy | *4 |
| 02:52.30 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: Got four but I didn't have the money for 'em so a co-worker used his card. |
| 02:52.51 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: me and cog both had issues with it accepting our cards |
| 02:52.55 | Ackis | hey Torhal|work guess who's going to blizzcon? |
| 02:53.01 | pompy | :O |
| 02:53.08 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Chantelle and three pomeranians? |
| 02:53.12 | Xinhuan | TOrhal is |
| 02:53.13 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 02:53.22 | airtonix | Torhal|work |
| 02:53.25 | Ackis | Torhal|work: Pompy is |
| 02:53.45 | airtonix | beware the plume |
| 02:53.49 | Torhal|work | Ackis: So I heard. Is this where we surprise him with night-sticks in a dark alley? |
| 02:53.57 | airtonix | kinky |
| 02:54.04 | pompy | oh boy |
| 02:54.07 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 02:54.10 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 02:54.30 | Ackis | s/night sticks/penises/ |
| 02:54.43 | Torhal|work | Oh, I forgot who I was dealing with. |
| 02:55.01 | airtonix | you frequently do |
| 02:55.01 | Arrowmaster | one of my tickets is officially taken (the money ended up in my paypal before i even asked for it), only 2 left but Xinhuan has first dibs |
| 02:55.53 | cogwheel | Torhal|work: Arrowmaster i just got a call from a 1800 number that i declined to answer. it may have been my CC co warning me of potential fraud |
| 02:56.23 | Torhal|work | D'oh |
| 02:56.32 | Lunessa | Ackis - Thursday is UI Community Dinner, Fri/Sat is BlizzCon, Sunday is usually Disney. |
| 02:56.38 | Torhal|work | Better that than flat-out declining like I've had happen. |
| 02:56.58 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: im wondering if that happened to me but it shouldnt have |
| 02:57.21 | Ackis | Lunessa: danke |
| 02:57.44 | Arrowmaster | i have a fucking platinum select card, they shouldnt be declining me for anything unless i go over my limit |
| 02:57.45 | Lunessa | And every night is late night drinking in bars. |
| 02:58.27 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: Well, I need to have a chat with my bank. I keep forgetting to so I've been paying my Hotel in installments. The whole month always declines even though I have more than enough money for it. |
| 02:58.48 | Torhal|work | So they're tellingh me how much of my money I'm allowed to spend at one time. |
| 02:58.50 | Arrowmaster | hotel? |
| 02:59.01 | Torhal|work | Yah - I've been staying in an extended-stay |
| 02:59.14 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten doesnt have a pool house? |
| 02:59.19 | Torhal|work | Haha |
| 02:59.20 | Thunder_Child | Torhal|work: thats not uncommon for a bank |
| 02:59.38 | Thunder_Child | especially if it is a new one |
| 02:59.41 | Torhal|work | It is. |
| 03:00.55 | bluspacecow | @cog should of warned them of BC tickets sales then |
| 03:01.42 | Arrowmaster | wheres the 'im going to blizzcon' button on facebook? |
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| 03:09.39 | Wobin | http://www.news.com.au/technology/chinese-labour-prisoners-world-of-warcraft-jixi-re-education-camp-scam/story-e6frfro0-1226063275491 |
| 03:11.29 | Cairenn|afk | unh, riiiight |
| 03:13.01 | Ackis | so does anyone have a preference for hotels? |
| 03:13.23 | Arrowmaster | have you checked that site linked from the blizzcon page? |
| 03:13.42 | Ackis | yeah I know which ones are around, just curious if there was a personal pref here for the UI folkers |
| 03:13.55 | pompy | cogwheel: was it amex? |
| 03:13.56 | Cairenn | Ackis: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35040 |
| 03:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | what's the best tool to download youtube videos nowadays, all these sites use java applets and scare the heck out of me :[ |
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| 03:14.31 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i would stick around 1 block from the convention center, dont stray too far down the road on your first visit |
| 03:14.38 | Ackis | thanks Cairenn |
| 03:14.41 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: not my first visit |
| 03:14.46 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:15.21 | Arrowmaster | well we did a lot of drinking at the marriott last year |
| 03:15.38 | Ackis | sounds good |
| 03:15.48 | Cairenn | Ackis: Esamynn and MentalPower usually stay at Stovall's, you typically find Iriel at Hilton. Dolby used to always be at the Hilton as well, but he may be moving over to the Marriott this year |
| 03:15.52 | Arrowmaster | marriott seems the most expensive though |
| 03:16.08 | Arrowmaster | im looking at the hilton |
| 03:16.27 | Cairenn | and yeah, frequently the UI community seems to end up on that patio at the Marriott, best hope of being able to all hang together |
| 03:16.50 | Cairenn | Hilton is normally standing room only for the post-con-evening drinking |
| 03:16.56 | Arrowmaster | the place me and xin stayed last year seems to have been renamed Anaheim Desert Palms Hotel & Suites |
| 03:17.16 | Cairenn | so we've gotten into the habit of using the Marriott instead |
| 03:17.22 | Arrowmaster | at least thats the same spot on the map from the looks of it |
| 03:17.41 | Iriel | Cairenn: I've actually been about 50/50 hilton and marriott |
| 03:17.51 | Iriel | with a brief excursion for the err, other place. |
| 03:18.05 | Cairenn | yeah .. still feel bad about that |
| 03:18.07 | Cairenn | jerks |
| 03:18.09 | Arrowmaster | seems the 5+ rooms at the best western are already gone |
| 03:19.35 | Arrowmaster | haha one of the hotels has listed in its amenities "Nintendo 64®" |
| 03:21.05 | Ackis | so I need to be in California for Thursday night |
| 03:21.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:21.30 | Arrowmaster | thursday night is also the night you stand in line to get your badge and goodie bag |
| 03:21.38 | Cairenn | Ackis: we will probably be doing the UI community dinner on Thursday night again, it seems to work best for everyone |
| 03:21.52 | Ackis | I'll try to make it this year ;) |
| 03:21.58 | Ackis | unless cogwheel scares me again |
| 03:22.10 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel can scare people? |
| 03:22.36 | Arrowmaster | hes just a big teddy bear |
| 03:25.04 | Ackis | he was the only person I met at the blizzcon I went to before |
| 03:25.15 | Ackis | and that was blind luck because he was in line at the store behind me |
| 03:26.33 | Cairenn | yeah, ya big dummy |
| 03:26.48 | Cairenn | not like we were all that hard to find! :p |
| 03:27.10 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:27.35 | Ackis | I'm a shy person |
| 03:27.50 | Arrowmaster | well you were kinda hard to find at times last year |
| 03:28.06 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: last year was rather an exception to the rule, for me |
| 03:28.17 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: I don't even want to think about it :p |
| 03:28.30 | Arrowmaster | and dont get me started on trying to find Adys last year |
| 03:30.56 | Arrowmaster | hmm hilton checkin time is 4pm |
| 03:31.18 | Iriel | Often places can get you in earlier, or at least store your bags |
| 03:31.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know the two big ones will do that |
| 03:32.13 | Arrowmaster | the problem is all the flights from dayton ohio either leave im the morning or evening |
| 03:32.15 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 03:32.51 | Arrowmaster | so ive got like 4 different cheap choices with AA but they all have the same first flight so really i just get to choose how long i want to sit in dallas |
| 03:33.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:33.05 | Ackis | I'm driving down not going to fly |
| 03:33.17 | Cairenn | I know that feeling, happens to me all the time too Arrowmaster |
| 03:33.27 | Arrowmaster | and if i choose to sit in dallas for 4 hours they dont give me a discount |
| 03:33.59 | ccox | 4 hours - isn't that the time to walk between gates in Dallas? |
| 03:34.12 | Arrowmaster | there is a train now |
| 03:34.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:34.19 | Arrowmaster | and its slow |
| 03:34.25 | kd3 | so, 3 hours? |
| 03:34.31 | Arrowmaster | i almost missed my 40 minute connection last year |
| 03:34.36 | kd3 | is too used to atlanta's system |
| 03:35.24 | Arrowmaster | i was seriously fucking running through the terminals as fast as i could carrying a backpack and got to the gate as they were doing final boarding call |
| 03:35.38 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: guh |
| 03:36.04 | ccox | been there, sprinted that |
| 03:36.07 | Arrowmaster | it was a 40 or 45 minutes between flights but my flight arrived late |
| 03:36.08 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:36.11 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, i only had 10 min connection last year going home :P due to plane departtre delay |
| 03:36.20 | Dagmar | DFW Is fucking *big* |
| 03:36.32 | Xinhuan | and candy cane inn isn't renamed |
| 03:36.39 | Dagmar | I had to make one of those Hertz runs and had four or five security officers trailing behind me before I was done |
| 03:36.42 | Xinhuan | its just part of a bigger group of inns/hotels |
| 03:36.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah DFW is like 40 gates per terminal |
| 03:36.50 | Arrowmaster | 5 terminals |
| 03:37.09 | Dagmar | They're literally forbidden to book you a change of planes to that airport with less than 20m between them. |
| 03:37.29 | Arrowmaster | i had to change terminals |
| 03:37.42 | Dagmar | Yeah I went from A to E at about 20mph on foot |
| 03:37.45 | Dagmar | No choice. |
| 03:38.21 | Arrowmaster | so seriously my only choices for flights here are leave at 6:35AM or 5:55PM |
| 03:38.42 | Arrowmaster | those are the only cheap DAY to DFW flights every day |
| 03:39.54 | Arrowmaster | so arive at LAX at 10:00AM or 9:30PM |
| 03:40.21 | Cairenn | which day, though? |
| 03:40.26 | Arrowmaster | which ever i want |
| 03:40.35 | Arrowmaster | these flights run every fucking day at these times |
| 03:40.43 | Cairenn | if Thursday, 10 am - if Wednesday, 9:30pm |
| 03:41.45 | Cairenn | well, if you want to go to the dinner on Thursday that is - and get your tickets that day instead of waiting till gates open on Friday |
| 03:42.18 | Cairenn | if you wait and arrive Thursday morning, though, it means one less night hotel fees |
| 03:42.35 | Arrowmaster | if im going to arive on wednesday i could take the next DFW to LAX flight and arrive at 11AM, still another 1 hour shuttle from LAX so i wouldnt get there till noon |
| 03:42.41 | Cairenn | (does my Scottish heritage show?) |
| 03:42.50 | Cairenn | nod |
| 03:43.06 | Arrowmaster | what goes on wednesdays? |
| 03:43.09 | Cairenn | normally part way through the day on Wed folks start showing up |
| 03:43.13 | Kraps | "They kill women and children daily." |
| 03:43.16 | Kraps | derp |
| 03:43.20 | Cairenn | we just find each other, grab food, grab drinks |
| 03:43.28 | Iriel | We stand around aimlessly under signs, and then have ribs |
| 03:43.30 | Cairenn | and gab |
| 03:43.31 | Iriel | and mock Ess |
| 03:43.31 | kd3 | generally drinks |
| 03:43.36 | Iriel | the mocking is required |
| 03:43.38 | Cairenn | see? ^^ |
| 03:43.39 | Iriel | everything else, optional |
| 03:43.47 | Cairenn | no, drinks are required too |
| 03:43.50 | Cairenn | and mocking |
| 03:43.53 | Cairenn | and drinking |
| 03:43.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah wednesday sounds like a good drinking day, nothing to do thursday morning |
| 03:43.57 | Cairenn | then maybe some mocking |
| 03:44.06 | Iriel | Drink assisted mockery |
| 03:44.11 | Cairenn | and perhaps some more drinking |
| 03:44.14 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:44.15 | Iriel | (and Mock assisted drinkery) |
| 03:44.19 | Cairenn | indeed! |
| 03:44.21 | Arrowmaster | wednesday morning it is! |
| 03:44.35 | kd3 | where's ess to defend himself from this mockery? |
| 03:44.37 | kd3 | chuckles |
| 03:44.39 | Arrowmaster | writes a note to brink lots and lots of boose money |
| 03:44.57 | Cairenn | notes that it seems Arrowmaster has already started ! |
| 03:45.17 | Arrowmaster | dolby paid for most of mine last year |
| 03:45.26 | Arrowmaster | well dolby and curse |
| 03:45.40 | kd3 | I'm still amused that they said we wouldn't hit the cap |
| 03:45.47 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:45.55 | Cairenn | yeah, that was a DUMB challenge to throw down |
| 03:46.08 | Kraps | "Hassidim is some sort of Satanic 'Angel' if you check up on Angelology and Cherubim, Seraphim, etc. Dim? Probably." ...i dont even |
| 03:46.35 | Arrowmaster | i think i finished off the mojitos twice that night |
| 03:47.15 | Arrowmaster | one point i think they gave me half a mojito and half a margarita |
| 03:47.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:52.21 | Kraps | http://gawker.com/5805628/watch-the-final-moments-of-the-last-oprah-winfrey-show |
| 03:52.28 | airtonix | stop it |
| 03:52.38 | Ackis | wheee I got two pieces of loot tonight! heroic gloves and heroic wand! /dance |
| 03:53.19 | airtonix | Ackis: how do you feel about the "new content" |
| 03:53.55 | Ackis | firelands or the nerfs? |
| 03:54.05 | Arrowmaster | you know i think these flight prices are cheaper than yesterday |
| 03:54.19 | Arrowmaster | only $134 per direction |
| 03:54.37 | airtonix | Ackis: well it's all "NewLAWL" if you haven't "seen" it "yet" |
| 03:54.55 | Arrowmaster | and i just realized im about to spend $2000 to goto blizzcon |
| 03:55.08 | Cairenn | nod, that's about right |
| 03:55.14 | Ackis | I hate recycled content. |
| 03:55.18 | Cairenn | if you have to travel any distance |
| 03:55.38 | Arrowmaster | $700 on tickets, $1025 on room, $310.80 on flights |
| 03:55.39 | airtonix | Cairenn: it takes me an hour to get to work and 2.30$ |
| 03:56.00 | Ackis | how many nights are you staying Arrowmaster? |
| 03:56.03 | airtonix | 1.80 if i travel between 9am-3pm |
| 03:56.05 | Cairenn | airtonix: and your point? |
| 03:56.13 | airtonix | i'm awesome? |
| 03:56.16 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: 5, going to arive wednesday and leave monday |
| 03:56.58 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: but if i stayed at a different hotel it would probably be cheaper |
| 03:57.46 | Ackis | i'm going to drive down |
| 03:58.03 | airtonix | won't that be expensive? |
| 03:58.13 | Ackis | cheaper than a flight from Canada IMO |
| 03:58.16 | Ackis | for two of us |
| 03:59.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah i can cut my hotel cost in half if i pick something other than hilton |
| 04:00.31 | Adys | Arrowmaster: try the portofino; it's a bit further but it's good and not expensive |
| 04:00.37 | Adys | though by now it's probably full |
| 04:00.41 | Dagmar | You want someplace with a "colorful" name, like the "Colonel Benbow" or the "Stabbed White Guy" |
| 04:00.55 | Dagmar | Those are usually _really_ cost-saving |
| 04:00.56 | Arrowmaster | Adys: were you at the red lion last year? |
| 04:01.02 | Adys | ya |
| 04:01.28 | Arrowmaster | how was it? |
| 04:01.29 | kd3 | I was there two years ago. it was good. only reason I didn't go back last year is because I'm on the hilton rewards program |
| 04:01.31 | Adys | it was okay for the price but we had a bunch of people booking rooms there |
| 04:01.44 | Adys | i dont know what kind of price it is for 1 person |
| 04:02.03 | Adys | tbh find 1-2 other people to book a room with, it's your best move |
| 04:02.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was going to find at least 1 other to share with |
| 04:02.38 | Ackis | will be having sex so he can't share a room. |
| 04:02.50 | kd3 | says who? |
| 04:03.04 | Adys | thats exactly what Kalroth says every year |
| 04:03.05 | Ackis | the fact that I'm going with my fiancee :P |
| 04:03.07 | Dagmar | Whattaprude |
| 04:03.09 | Adys | dammit he's not even online |
| 04:03.35 | Wobin | there's a joke about bringing enough for everyone, somewhere in there =P |
| 04:03.48 | Dagmar | Joke? |
| 04:03.52 | Cairenn | was behaving for a change |
| 04:04.00 | Adys | look who's talking |
| 04:04.00 | Adys | :P |
| 04:04.06 | Ackis | lol Wobin |
| 04:04.06 | Dagmar | That there is a frelling mission statement |
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| 04:05.51 | Adys | Anyone still missing tickets? I might be able to arrange something |
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| 04:27.14 | Arrowmaster | hmm i can get a 2 bed suite at Clarion Hotel for $120 a night, suite means sofabed so could share it with 2 other people instead of just 1 |
| 04:29.31 | Xinhuan | Adys, got tickets for yourself? |
| 04:29.53 | Adys | Xinhuan: not coming |
| 04:30.26 | Adys | anyone used s3 before? |
| 04:35.34 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 04:37.10 | mckenziemc | i'm reading an old article about a chrome-targetting social engineering attack: "Your system affected by numerous virus attacks, Google Chrome recommends you to install proper software to protect your computer" "That's terrible grammar, and this social-engineering attack is likely to fail with an English-speaking victim, who would be suspicious of the odd wording." <- riiiiiiiight |
| 04:37.43 | Adys | um |
| 04:37.48 | Adys | ive seen much worse grammar |
| 04:38.11 | Corrodias | even one of my irl friends will write sentences separated only by commas, in professional software |
| 04:38.13 | Corrodias | i have to fix it |
| 04:38.51 | Shirik | hey Adys |
| 04:38.58 | Shirik | all the crazy shit you did tonight |
| 04:39.02 | Shirik | those will be the best memories |
| 04:39.44 | Adys | okay |
| 04:41.56 | Shirik | fortune is fun |
| 04:42.54 | Shirik | http://pastebin.com/EyVuUcx6 |
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| 04:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get it, why doesn't blizzard just move blizzcon to a bigger venue :[ |
| 04:48.55 | Shirik | it's close |
| 04:49.03 | Shirik | besides nothing could possibly be big enough |
| 04:49.14 | Cairenn | Vegas would be a good start |
| 04:49.21 | Shirik | maybe if they rented the entire city |
| 04:49.25 | Wobin | There's that small country in Europe that's renting itself out |
| 04:49.31 | Shirik | what |
| 04:49.47 | Shirik | hmmmmmm |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | something's very wrong with my laptop battery |
| 04:49.53 | Wobin | http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/rent-a-country-for-40-000-a-night-2011-04-17-1.381856 |
| 04:50.00 | Shirik | it says it's at 0% charge and it's been plugged in for a while now |
| 04:50.07 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: are you going to keep that same post of hotels for this year but update it? or make a new thread? |
| 04:50.10 | Mr_Rabies | :[ |
| 04:50.20 | Cairenn | Probably just bump it |
| 04:50.40 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes reseating it might help shirik but if it doesn't work right away leave it unplugged and try again in the morning, if still nothing it might be dead :[ |
| 04:50.49 | mckenziemc | bumps Cairenn |
| 04:50.52 | Shirik | I really need a new computer |
| 04:51.03 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: ive been checking out various hotels all around convention way there, the cortona says it has free wifi now |
| 04:53.08 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: it said that before, but it was only in certain 'public' spaces, and it sucked regardless |
| 04:53.13 | Cairenn | from what I remember |
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| 04:55.37 | Ackis | I didn't really like the cortona =/ (nothing against your recommendation) |
| 04:56.07 | Cairenn | I don't recommend it :p |
| 04:56.12 | Cairenn | not any more |
| 04:56.24 | Cairenn | I just have it on there for info, just like all the rest |
| 04:56.27 | Ackis | the year I went it was recommended is what I'm getting at |
| 04:56.36 | Cairenn | nod |
| 04:56.52 | Cairenn | I haven't recommended it for a few years now |
| 04:57.25 | Ackis | what really upset me was we asked them to call a cab for us and they called a private company thingy... the type of cab you aren't supposed to take |
| 04:57.51 | Cairenn | >< |
| 04:59.27 | Arrowmaster | i was happy with Candy Cane Inn last year although the wifi was overloaded, but i would like something a little closer this year |
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| 05:00.33 | Shirik | ok so Mr_Rabies that was an extraordinarily awful idea |
| 05:00.49 | Shirik | I pulled out the battery and my computer was like "oh ok" and turned off |
| 05:00.57 | Shirik | on the bright side it's charging now :) |
| 05:01.00 | Shirik | something was severely jacked up though |
| 05:01.03 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | because that does not make any sense |
| 05:01.07 | Dagmar | I've done that before. |
| 05:01.16 | Shirik | My computer's always let me pull out the battery before |
| 05:01.28 | Shirik | something was really hosed |
| 05:01.56 | sylvanaar | laptop? or the clock battery? |
| 05:01.57 | Cairenn | I know that Esamynn and MentalPower have been very happy with Stovalls |
| 05:02.03 | Shirik | laptop |
| 05:02.07 | Cairenn | and it's not actually very far |
| 05:02.17 | Esamynn | Cairenn: SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!! |
| 05:02.19 | Esamynn | it's a SECRET! |
| 05:02.21 | Cairenn | Esamynn: heh |
| 05:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | ruh roh shirik |
| 05:02.41 | Arrowmaster | plugin-container segfaulted and took my firefox3.6 with it |
| 05:02.45 | Mr_Rabies | your dc jack might be going out |
| 05:02.46 | Arrowmaster | that is not supposed to happen! |
| 05:02.48 | Shirik | obtw |
| 05:02.57 | Mr_Rabies | or your adapter |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik | I now have access to fare rules, etc. |
| 05:03.17 | Shirik | so if anyone's looking for a cheap flight I may be able to help |
| 05:03.21 | Dagmar | If the OS thinks it's on battery and the battery goes away, it's likely to decide that means "0% power left" and it's time to die |
| 05:03.27 | Shirik | ALSO I found someting else while reviewing southwest's rules |
| 05:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | but if it's charging now somethin was probably not connecting right and causing a short or something |
| 05:03.59 | Shirik | Southwest is about to raise their prices so if you want to get a ticket to blizzcon you probably should do it soon |
| 05:04.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: can you beat $310.80 out of DAY? |
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| 05:04.05 | Shirik | (sec while I find the date again) |
| 05:04.38 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Need dates |
| 05:05.03 | Arrowmaster | 19th and 24th |
| 05:05.20 | Xinhuan | do you do international flights? |
| 05:05.54 | Shirik | The new rules start on 6/9 |
| 05:06.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont think i saw any southwest flights when i was looking, did they pull their flights from expedia and orbitz too? |
| 05:06.37 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Also where to where |
| 05:06.41 | Shirik | well I assume LAX or SNA |
| 05:06.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah either one |
| 05:06.51 | Shirik | I think only Southwest sells southwest |
| 05:07.04 | Shirik | yeah but where are you coming from Arrowmaster |
| 05:07.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i said DAY |
| 05:07.16 | Shirik | oh that's an airport |
| 05:07.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:07.25 | Arrowmaster | DAYton |
| 05:07.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Wa (~wa@c-24-22-87-1.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:07.54 | Arrowmaster | we got a good code |
| 05:08.06 | Shirik | hm |
| 05:08.08 | Shirik | $268? |
| 05:08.16 | Arrowmaster | that include the tax? |
| 05:08.34 | Shirik | GS14ZXCFLG Round-Trip268.00(USD)E |
| 05:08.35 | Shirik | one sec |
| 05:08.39 | Dagmar | get crazy with it. Go for three legs. :) |
| 05:08.46 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 05:08.49 | Shirik | holy shit they go up to $5000 |
| 05:09.04 | Dagmar | Code starts with F right? |
| 05:09.10 | Dagmar | Or more likely Y |
| 05:09.18 | Arrowmaster | im flying from dayton, 1 stopover tends to be 2-3 hours unless i find the right flights |
| 05:10.49 | Shirik | this should be nonstop |
| 05:11.07 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 05:11.12 | Arrowmaster | nonstop from dayton |
| 05:11.19 | Arrowmaster | thats a good one |
| 05:11.30 | Dagmar | Not from a secondary airport heh |
| 05:11.38 | Shirik | I can't tell how the fare was constructed |
| 05:11.47 | Shirik | I need to do more searching |
| 05:11.57 | Shirik | I don't envy travel agents anymore |
| 05:12.03 | Dagmar | The "14" part means it's 14 days in advance |
| 05:12.10 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember if i got a nonstop when i went to boston or not, but before that i know i never have |
| 05:12.13 | Shirik | Yes that much I know |
| 05:12.18 | Dagmar | 21 would likely be cheapr |
| 05:12.25 | Shirik | They didn't have anything beyond 14 |
| 05:12.35 | Dagmar | I spent about a year working for CitiTravel going through those for hours on end |
| 05:12.36 | Shirik | This was their cheapest fare basis |
| 05:12.51 | Shirik | what the fuck is this "CHARGE USD 50.00 FOR LOST TICKET." |
| 05:12.51 | Arrowmaster | from aa.com i get $268 also, but then taxes are added to bring it to $310.80 |
| 05:13.00 | Dagmar | It's a ticket replacement fee. |
| 05:13.02 | Shirik | can you see the fare basis Arrowmaster? |
| 05:13.05 | Dagmar | Basically it's a "we had to look at you" fee. |
| 05:13.22 | Shirik | wait it shouldn't be AA |
| 05:13.25 | Dagmar | It's $50 to get a new ticket printed, it's $50 to change the reservation (same thing... have to print again), etc etc |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | oh I see AA here too |
| 05:14.01 | Shirik | I was looking at FL |
| 05:14.05 | Shirik | but yeah they show the same |
| 05:14.17 | Arrowmaster | FL? |
| 05:14.22 | Shirik | airtran |
| 05:14.34 | dolby | airtran has wifi! |
| 05:14.45 | Arrowmaster | ive flown the most with AA so i tend to go with them |
| 05:15.11 | Kraps | "Rumor of the Day: Megan Fox wants to star in Carrie remake " |
| 05:15.16 | Arrowmaster | AA has wifi to, just not all flights |
| 05:15.37 | Shirik | yeah you're right Arrowmaster it's pre-surcharge/tax :( |
| 05:15.39 | dolby | airtran business class upgrade the day of is not bad because you buy that instead of paying for checked bags |
| 05:15.41 | Shirik | so it comes out to $310 |
| 05:15.50 | dolby | since business class checked bags are free |
| 05:16.09 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i forgot about checked baggage fee |
| 05:16.24 | kd3 | check bags? |
| 05:16.58 | Shirik | wait a second |
| 05:16.59 | Wobin | how long are you staying? |
| 05:17.03 | Dagmar | Pay attention to Thu and Tue. |
| 05:17.17 | Shirik | FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO FORM SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT ROUND TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. |
| 05:17.18 | Dagmar | There might be enough difference in fare price to pay for just staying a few days in the room |
| 05:17.27 | Kraps | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/05/25/final-minutes-of-last-harry-potter-film-to-be-split-into-seven-separate-movies/ |
| 05:17.32 | Shirik | Does this mean "no matter how you construct the fare, so long as you meet these rules it's the same price"? |
| 05:17.43 | Shirik | that's really awkward |
| 05:17.49 | Dagmar | "half round trip" basis means you have to be making a round trip, eventually |
| 05:18.20 | Dagmar | ...but yeah, all the rest means "You can fly in stupid directions if you like' |
| 05:18.55 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 05:19.02 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: There's one more rule you really should be aware of |
| 05:19.05 | Shirik | TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 26MAY11. |
| 05:19.06 | Dagmar | You could go from DAY to DFW to SEA and then to SFO or even completely screw around and go from DAY to JFK then maybe to tampa (can't remember the code) and so on |
| 05:19.24 | Dagmar | It's a nonrefundable fare, of course. |
| 05:19.43 | Shirik | oh yeah I ignored that |
| 05:19.47 | Shirik | that's kinda a given these days |
| 05:19.51 | Shirik | unless you pay an arm and a leg |
| 05:19.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: one of them on orbitz.com wanted to send me to Baltimore then LAX |
| 05:19.55 | Dagmar | if you could see the fare codes, you'd note that the ones starting with 'Y' cost a pile because they are refundable |
| 05:20.04 | airtonix | "Hi if you can understand this noodle of fare pricing structure, let us know and we'll thank you by giving you a free flight" |
| 05:20.06 | Shirik | I actually intentionally buy B/Y codes often |
| 05:20.17 | Shirik | just because they give me 150% EQM/EQS |
| 05:20.18 | Dagmar | ...but Tuesday and Thursday are generally cheaper to fly on than Friday and Monday |
| 05:20.23 | Shirik | and 5000 mile upgrades |
| 05:20.40 | Dagmar | ...and you absolutely need to be staying "out" over the weekend or most of the schedules won't apply and you're looking at buying a 'y' fare |
| 05:20.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im doing wednesday monday |
| 05:20.54 | airtonix | Shirik: download yourself into a 500gb usb hardrive and send it by pidgeon |
| 05:21.06 | Shirik | anyway Arrowmaster, the 26 may thing is kinda worrisome. It probably means prices will go up on the 27th. Though they might go back down again on tuesday or something. |
| 05:21.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: thursday monday had the same prices |
| 05:21.21 | Dagmar | It means you have to pay for the flight now |
| 05:21.32 | Shirik | most of the other fares have dates way in the future |
| 05:21.35 | airtonix | it's the 26th of may right now |
| 05:21.44 | Shirik | 25th to me :/ |
| 05:21.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i was looking at prices this morning at like 5am edt and they were more expensive than now |
| 05:21.49 | airtonix | you live in the past |
| 05:21.59 | Shirik | no you live in the future |
| 05:21.59 | airtonix | this is the future speaking |
| 05:22.03 | airtonix | hi |
| 05:22.03 | Dagmar | a 24 hold is all you can get with some fare schedules |
| 05:22.16 | Dagmar | You either pay for it within 24 hours or it goes away |
| 05:22.16 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:22.34 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:22.36 | Dagmar | I really wish the airlines made it a *bit* easier to find out what their current fare codes are |
| 05:22.44 | Shirik | would you like a list? :D |
| 05:22.54 | airtonix | i think virgin airlines makes it easy? |
| 05:23.16 | Dagmar | A list isn't nearly as helpful as seeing them arrayed |
| 05:23.30 | Dagmar | The system I used to use would just lay them out iteratively |
| 05:23.31 | airtonix | they need to provide a REST api |
| 05:23.57 | Dagmar | It would start with the Y7's and NFs at the top and work it's way down |
| 05:24.32 | Shirik | come to think of it why are there no NFs on this list |
| 05:24.37 | Dagmar | There is always the option of finding out if someone you know just died and is being buried htere. ;) |
| 05:25.28 | Dagmar | Shirik: Because mainly only people with the title of Executive Assistant ever book them, and they do it through an agency |
| 05:25.30 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:25.40 | Arrowmaster | can i use that excuse on both directions? |
| 05:25.42 | Shirik | sure but I should see all fares here, even ones that aren't valid |
| 05:25.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You only need it in one for a bereavement rate. Heh |
| 05:26.26 | Shirik | for example, there's an invalid fare for Arrowmaster at $238 |
| 05:26.27 | Dagmar | I suppose you could just call the airline and tell them "I'd actually like to pay double for this first-class ticket" and they could arrange that |
| 05:27.07 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were supposed to charge less |
| 05:27.40 | Dagmar | Charge less? Bereavement is usually 50% discount |
| 05:27.57 | Dagmar | However, if you're booking this far in advance and expecting a funeral the police might want to have a word with you |
| 05:28.23 | Dagmar | As a travel agent I would personally consider that pretty suspect. |
| 05:28.36 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:29.36 | Dagmar | ...and I was pretty thick about some things on the phone. |
| 05:29.48 | Shirik | Dagmar this is so much more complicated than I thought |
| 05:29.50 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 05:29.54 | Shirik | never becoming a travel agent |
| 05:30.00 | Dagmar | My boss called me into her cubicle to review a call with me once after I'd spent about 15 minutes chasing down dates and seats for some woman claiming to be very ill |
| 05:30.07 | Dagmar | Her headset was a lot nicer than mine. |
| 05:30.33 | Dagmar | On the tape, you could pretty clearly hear two people breathing hard, and some more suggestive noises. |
| 05:30.41 | Dagmar | I'd *no* idea at hte time |
| 05:31.02 | Dagmar | I'd have probably gotten written up at least had I figured it out |
| 05:31.22 | Shirik | I found one cheaper |
| 05:31.27 | Shirik | It's marked "Employee Travel and Confirmed Flight Changes" |
| 05:31.30 | Shirik | do you qualify for that Arrowmaster? |
| 05:31.32 | Dagmar | I mean, wtf... Someone calls you up to make travel plans while they're f**king and you're not supposed to look for double entendres? |
| 05:31.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: whats a confirmed flight change? |
| 05:31.55 | Dagmar | Shirik: He isn't an employee of the airline or you probably wouldn't need to be looking for him. Heh |
| 05:32.46 | Arrowmaster | i could probably get a job as ground crew at DAY, does that count? |
| 05:32.47 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: What you get when you fly on UA with a closely timed gate change |
| 05:33.01 | Dagmar | Heh that actually might |
| 05:33.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: You're not half right about not wanting to be a travel agent, man |
| 05:33.58 | Shirik | ~weather KDTW |
| 05:34.05 | Dagmar | I left that job because I learned the hard way about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome |
| 05:34.12 | Shirik | how close is detroit to you Arrowmaster? |
| 05:34.20 | Arrowmaster | not far |
| 05:34.27 | Shirik | Just curious because one of the flights from there to you is already practically sold out |
| 05:34.35 | Shirik | It's a CRJ but still |
| 05:34.39 | Dagmar | They gave me a nice network, as much overtime as I could ever want during fare wars, and then three solid months of it |
| 05:34.55 | Dagmar | I was making three times over again my wages in commission |
| 05:35.07 | Dagmar | ...but it'll just about break ya |
| 05:35.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ive flown on some tiny ass planes to nearby airports, some of them i dont think we ever got to curising altitude |
| 05:35.38 | bluspacecow | you guys tried farecompare.com ? |
| 05:35.46 | Dagmar | I was in my 20's and stupid and my whole schedule was wooooork-party-sleep-repeat |
| 05:37.33 | Shirik | bluspacecow: Long enough to realize I hated it :) |
| 05:37.55 | Shirik | Any site that I can tell "I want united" and it gives me a long list of delta flights is... well |
| 05:38.02 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Those fare differences are mainly just about mushrooms |
| 05:38.19 | bluspacecow | oh ? |
| 05:38.40 | Arrowmaster | i dont see any differences in fares |
| 05:38.42 | Dagmar | Yeah any significant difference is pretty much always matched by other airlines within a day or two at most |
| 05:39.08 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-74-177-1-6.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:39.24 | Dagmar | If you're having to travel one-way or within a very short span of time they're useful |
| 05:39.25 | Shirik | anyway yeah it looks like that's going to be the cheapest for you Arrowmaster :( |
| 05:39.32 | Shirik | But just for you I added an alert in case the fare goes down |
| 05:39.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the AA one? |
| 05:39.44 | Dagmar | Between here and October tho, you look at one and you're pretty much looking at them all |
| 05:39.53 | Shirik | any |
| 05:40.00 | Shirik | oh you mean the cheapest right now, yeah |
| 05:40.15 | Shirik | both FL and AA are saying that price as their lowest fare basis (that you're eligible for) |
| 05:40.26 | Dagmar | The only real benefit is to keep an eye out after the reservation's made in case the airlines get into another fare war snit and drop the price of your ticket after you've bought it |
| 05:40.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i swear the price was different on AA.com 20 hours ago though |
| 05:40.51 | Dagmar | It may well have been |
| 05:40.51 | Shirik | I can't look at the past |
| 05:41.03 | Shirik | I can only look at the present, and then guess about the future based on the rules |
| 05:41.08 | Arrowmaster | actually on all of the sites i checked |
| 05:41.18 | Shirik | which is why I pointed out the may 26 thing, but Dagmar says that's probably just to force you to only hold for a day |
| 05:41.24 | Shirik | well |
| 05:41.25 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what can i do if the price does go down after i buy it? |
| 05:41.28 | Shirik | that is if I were an actual travel agent |
| 05:41.44 | Dagmar | If it's by more than fifty bucks (the "we had to talk to you again" fee) you call them and change it |
| 05:41.50 | Shirik | I might be able to tell you Arrowmaster |
| 05:41.56 | Shirik | Do you still have the ticket up? |
| 05:41.57 | Dagmar | If it's by less than fifty bucks you might as well just sit and spin. |
| 05:42.01 | Shirik | Most sites will tell you the fare basis they're using |
| 05:42.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yeah |
| 05:42.18 | Dagmar | ...because the fare usually involves that cute little fifty oollar change fee rider |
| 05:42.49 | Shirik | it looks like airtran is saying $75 actually :P |
| 05:42.51 | kd3 | ooh, a new flight path at the sanctuary of malorne |
| 05:42.54 | kd3 | about freaking finally |
| 05:43.17 | Shirik | I assume this is the relevant statement? "CHARGE USD 75.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION." |
| 05:43.23 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 05:43.33 | Dagmar | I don't think you'll see the fare drop that much |
| 05:43.41 | Shirik | actually |
| 05:43.44 | Shirik | this is even more relevant |
| 05:44.07 | Shirik | IN THE EVENT OF A LOWER FARE BECOMING AVAILABLE NO REFUNDS OR TRAVEL VOUCHERS ARE PERMITTED ON PREVIOUSLY CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS THAT DO NOT CONTAIN A CHANGE OF DATE/TIME/ORIGIN/DESTINATION. |
| 05:44.33 | Shirik | or does that just talk about refund completely |
| 05:44.37 | Dagmar | Airlines don't just pick prices at random. They're actually playing a very detailed game of statistics based on how many people they know are flying, and what the odds are they'll change their minds or that other factors might happen |
| 05:44.38 | Shirik | not change |
| 05:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | at this point i think i'd rather hire a private pilot than take an airliner |
| 05:45.09 | Mr_Rabies | the whole process is so inconvenient |
| 05:45.16 | Dagmar | That means you have to change your flights as well, which is kinda mean |
| 05:45.18 | Dagmar | That's new |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | actually Arrowmaster I'm going to make the assumption that it's either OA14XQD1 or OB14XQD1 (see if you see that anywhere on the ticket you're looking at) because those are the only ones that fit that price on AA |
| 05:46.23 | Shirik | HAHAHA |
| 05:46.28 | Dagmar | Hell if I can remember what X or Q mean but at least I remember D |
| 05:46.33 | Arrowmaster | oh hey i found it |
| 05:46.39 | Arrowmaster | A for all of them |
| 05:46.46 | Shirik | If the price drops |
| 05:46.48 | Shirik | you're screwed |
| 05:47.12 | Shirik | you have a $150 charge if you want to rebook at the cheaper price |
| 05:47.22 | Arrowmaster | see orbitz.com says that if anybody books the same flights as you for cheaper you get the cheaper price |
| 05:47.36 | Dagmar | That would be because Orbitz is probably pre-buying tickets |
| 05:47.42 | Shirik | and they'll take the hit |
| 05:47.43 | Arrowmaster | but the odds of anybody booking the entire trip the same as mee is fucking low |
| 05:47.55 | Shirik | the airlines don't care :) |
| 05:48.00 | Shirik | they get money |
| 05:48.02 | Dagmar | It's not individual tickets at that point |
| 05:48.26 | Dagmar | Orbitz is basically betting airlines that they can do the math better |
| 05:48.48 | Arrowmaster | and thats why i have to use AA.com for AA |
| 05:50.25 | Dagmar | MOnday and Friday are more expensive because both because the airlines know a lot of people want to fly on those days, and because they don't want to overbook |
| 05:51.24 | Shirik | Dagmar I have a question for you. Are you familiar with QUP/YUP fares? |
| 05:51.24 | Dagmar | They have to even out the "load" across airports as best they can or they get cool conditions where someone like you wants to go from DAY to OAK but all their planes doing the last leg that day are booked, so you wind up making the reservation with someone else entirely. |
| 05:51.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: Offhand I'd say they were upgrades |
| 05:52.11 | Dagmar | The UP is new but the Y is the refundable class I was talkig about earlier that's generally pricey and the Q is non-refundable |
| 05:52.31 | kd3 | yay! the firelands invasion mobs now are itemized |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | so supposedly they're this reallyawkward rule that I don't understand that was made for people buying tickets for corporate travel, Y is technically economy class so it validates "not a first class fare" if your company requires that |
| 05:52.47 | Shirik | but then it books you in first class seats |
| 05:52.48 | Dagmar | I booked *loads* of Q21s |
| 05:52.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: each airline seems to only fly 2 planes a day in and out of DAY |
| 05:53.14 | Shirik | so it's like a way to get around "no first class" rules |
| 05:53.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: On a whole lot of domestic flights that just puts you in the slightly bigger chairs in the front |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik | no it actually gives you a first class seat |
| 05:53.41 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: How far is the nearest larger one you could drive to? |
| 05:53.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: indy is 1hour+ |
| 05:54.02 | Shirik | it's really awkward and I still don't understand it :P |
| 05:54.13 | Dagmar | I was thinking Cincinatti |
| 05:54.14 | Arrowmaster | i think its closer to 2hours |
| 05:54.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: "First class" doesn't amount to much on some planes |
| 05:54.52 | Shirik | true |
| 05:54.52 | Arrowmaster | didnt think about cinci, never flew out of there |
| 05:55.03 | Shirik | but it always gives me 150% EQS :D |
| 05:55.10 | Dagmar | It's a bigger hub and more flights would be going in and out of there |
| 05:55.18 | Shirik | For my trip to Las Vegas from Portland in a few weeks I'm taking two stops down there, two stops back |
| 05:55.26 | Shirik | for a total of 6 legs, at 150% = 9 EQS |
| 05:55.28 | Dagmar | it used to be a hub for someone but I can't remember who |
| 05:55.36 | Shirik | it's kinda cheating but I don't care :P |
| 05:55.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: They're just happy to even out the load |
| 05:55.56 | Shirik | I'm traveling to seattle before I get to portland |
| 05:56.14 | Dagmar | Better you be on more less-traveled routes than the ones they're trying to keep from selling out until the last minute |
| 05:56.22 | Arrowmaster | what the hell is cincis code |
| 05:56.46 | Dagmar | Covington? |
| 05:56.47 | Dagmar | CVG |
| 05:56.48 | Arrowmaster | CVG, what the fuck |
| 05:57.09 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah, the cinci ohio international airport is in kentucky |
| 05:57.31 | Dagmar | No less mad than BNA for Nashville |
| 05:57.43 | Dagmar | That's B for Berry Hill which is a runty little area nowhere near the airport |
| 05:57.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: cinci is $30 more per direction |
| 05:57.54 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Bummer |
| 05:58.05 | Dagmar | More peanuts for you then. :) |
| 05:58.25 | Dagmar | Also, rest assured, the tofu on the plane will be pefrectly fine |
| 05:58.26 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 05:59.00 | Dagmar | One of the things I learned is that airplane food is bland for a reason. |
| 05:59.12 | Shirik | Why does it say that Arrowmaster's ticket is $134? |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | oh one way |
| 05:59.31 | Dagmar | You don't really want to put 400 people in a tightly-enclosed space for several hours, and then feed them something that will give them flatulence |
| 05:59.45 | Dagmar | That's the stuff of nightmares |
| 05:59.48 | Shirik | Sure you do |
| 06:00.07 | Shirik | It's fun to watch the pileup of people at the restroom |
| 06:00.12 | Dagmar | Well, *I* might. |
| 06:00.13 | Adys | i havent slept much and need some advice: I have a file size, a min_chunk_size of 5242880, a max_chunk_size of 5368709120, and a max_chunks of 10000; I want, given a variable factor (eg 0 being the min amount of chunks and 100 being the max for the given size), to split the file into chunks |
| 06:00.50 | Arrowmaster | and airtran wants to fly me to Baltimore then LAX, thats a 5 hour flight from Baltimore to LAX |
| 06:01.28 | Shirik | I see the following |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | 1. DAY-ATL-LAX |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | 2. DAY-BWI-LAX |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | 3. DAY-BWI-MKE-LAX |
| 06:01.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: Forget the restroom. That's 400 people farting their asses off in an enclosed space |
| 06:01.44 | Shirik | for airtran |
| 06:01.50 | Dagmar | Someone might be desperate enough to try to open a window |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | there was that one guy that tried to open the door |
| 06:02.20 | Dagmar | He was apparently insane |
| 06:02.24 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i think i would take number 3 over number 2 if i couldnt take 1 |
| 06:02.37 | Shirik | why? |
| 06:02.53 | Dagmar | A chance to stretch his legs |
| 06:02.59 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 06:03.13 | Dagmar | A five hour flight will acutally wear your ass out unless you sleep through most of it |
| 06:03.23 | Arrowmaster | im 5'11", i dont exactly fit comfortably in those seats |
| 06:03.29 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 06:03.32 | Thunder_Child | get shorter |
| 06:03.56 | Dagmar | You never want to be in the last rows in the back if you're tall |
| 06:04.09 | Dagmar | It's like riding in the back of Yugo |
| 06:04.47 | Arrowmaster | i was expected 'backseat of a volkswagen' |
| 06:04.59 | Shirik | I'm 6'3" |
| 06:05.11 | Shirik | I go to obscure airports so I can get my free first class upgrades :P |
| 06:05.17 | Shirik | yay united |
| 06:05.22 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I wouldn't want people to confuse that with the newer ones |
| 06:05.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i had to explain that joke to somebody once |
| 06:05.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: I have problems with sitting still for long periods of time so you don't find me doing that ever |
| 06:06.24 | Dagmar | It's super awesome when the seat is firmly up against a completely vertical wall |
| 06:06.42 | Dagmar | ...so the cushion actually leans like ten degrees forward |
| 06:06.52 | Arrowmaster | to them volkswagen ment a vw van so they didnt know why it would be uncomfortable |
| 06:07.03 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 06:07.41 | Shirik | which flight are you looking at right now Arrowmaster? |
| 06:08.00 | Shirik | the one at 10 only has 2 more N class seats, and Q is already sold out |
| 06:08.00 | Torhal | For some reason I really would have preferred to ban this guy instead of closing his thread. Friggin Private Servers. |
| 06:08.15 | Shirik | (for AA) |
| 06:08.16 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: 817 705, 2446 658 |
| 06:08.37 | Adys | actually |
| 06:08.41 | Shirik | wtf is 2446 658 |
| 06:08.43 | Adys | cookies to anyone who can solve this: http://dpaste.com/546621/ |
| 06:08.43 | Dagmar | Shirik: You seem to like math. I'm suprised you've never looked at how the airlines put together their fares before now |
| 06:08.49 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: those are 4 flights |
| 06:08.54 | Shirik | I got the first 2 |
| 06:08.57 | Shirik | I don't see the second 2 on my list |
| 06:09.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:09.12 | Shirik | apparently I'm not looking in both directions right now |
| 06:09.15 | Shirik | this table is hard to read ._. |
| 06:09.25 | Shirik | Dagmar: I'm an engineer :P |
| 06:09.33 | Adys | Shirik: then solve my problem |
| 06:09.37 | Dagmar | OKay, but it's still a cool math problem |
| 06:09.49 | Shirik | ok Availability: F7 A7 P7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O0 |
| 06:09.55 | Dagmar | I mean in this case hte numbers really *are* people moving about |
| 06:09.55 | Shirik | you're probably good for a while still on that price :) |
| 06:10.07 | mckenziemc | figuring out something that was designed eh |
| 06:10.38 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i dont know what those mean |
| 06:11.00 | Shirik | Y is full fare economy. Q is cheapass fare that you're trying to buy. |
| 06:11.16 | Shirik | When that 7 hits 0, there's no more. |
| 06:11.24 | Shirik | so your cheapest will now be N |
| 06:11.27 | Shirik | and so forth |
| 06:11.33 | Dagmar | Well, that's not strictly true |
| 06:11.37 | Shirik | eh? |
| 06:11.50 | Dagmar | Airlines can and will adjust the number of seats allocated to a given schedule over time |
| 06:11.53 | Arrowmaster | i thought i was trying to buy the O |
| 06:12.03 | Shirik | I hope not |
| 06:12.10 | Dagmar | Those might go away, and they might not be having so much luck with the Y's and might downgrade them to Q's |
| 06:12.13 | Arrowmaster | why whats O? |
| 06:12.16 | Dagmar | or a few of them |
| 06:12.21 | Shirik | It's not available on either flight? :) |
| 06:12.25 | Corrodias | is diablo 3 out yet? or are they still plucking away at that? |
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| 06:12.57 | Shirik | I see Dagmar |
| 06:12.58 | Shirik | that makes sense |
| 06:13.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: well on AA.com it says "Booking Code: Economy O" |
| 06:13.46 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:13.49 | Dagmar | I mean it when I say they're playing a game of numbers. |
| 06:14.28 | Dagmar | The goal being to maximize the amount of money they can sell each ticket for |
| 06:14.35 | Dagmar | or seat, rather |
| 06:15.19 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 06:16.09 | airtonix | Corrodias: qqmoar |
| 06:16.34 | Shirik | I'm so confused |
| 06:16.35 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 06:17.10 | Shirik | it definitely says O0 but when I set up an alert for that flight it says "There is already an O opening at this time" |
| 06:17.34 | Shirik | Maybe that means they don't advertise how many are left? |
| 06:18.14 | Shirik | oh well Arrowmaster |
| 06:18.19 | Shirik | Sorry I thought I would be more help :D |
| 06:18.24 | airtonix | looks like you're not going ? |
| 06:18.28 | Shirik | but I've just mannaged to confuse the hell out of myself |
| 06:18.38 | Shirik | and learn how truly fucked up airlines are |
| 06:18.46 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: really i need more help with hotels than airlines |
| 06:18.58 | Shirik | unfortunately I cannot do that one |
| 06:20.44 | Dagmar | Adys: If the file size max is <5tb and the min chunk size is 5mb why do you care about 10000? |
| 06:22.15 | Dagmar | Nevermind I shouldn't be trying this on paper |
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| 06:25.43 | Adys | Dagmar: the 5tb max size is to explain that if a file is superior to 49 terabytes (max_chunk_size*max_chunks) i don't care |
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| 06:28.37 | Dagmar | You might wanna rejuggle those sizes |
| 06:28.54 | Adys | how so? |
| 06:28.55 | Dagmar | (5.49755814 × (10^12)) / 10 000 = 549 755 814 |
| 06:29.20 | Dagmar | Oh wait. Okay it's definitely too late for me to be trying this |
| 06:29.24 | Adys | where are you getting that 5.5 from? |
| 06:29.39 | Dagmar | Asking google what fiver terabytes in bytes is |
| 06:30.25 | Adys | dont worry about the max file size really |
| 06:30.43 | Adys | its handled beforehand; what i meant is, no file is going to be larger than that |
| 06:30.45 | Dagmar | By tomorrow I'll probably have figured it out but right now I'm beat. I should hit the sack |
| 06:30.51 | Adys | gnight |
| 06:32.34 | Arrowmaster | why the hell is it so hard to find checkin and checkout times for some of these hotels? |
| 06:32.48 | Shirik | aha |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | Availability only shows the "minimum number of fares available in that bucket" |
| 06:33.13 | Shirik | so O0 actually means "0 or more available" |
| 06:35.51 | Arrowmaster | ok finally found checkin/out times for Sheraton |
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| 06:38.08 | Adys | Arrowmaster: hotels around the cc are 24/7 |
| 06:38.42 | Arrowmaster | right but i still want to know the earlyest i can checkin during the day |
| 06:38.54 | Arrowmaster | since my flight will probably be a few hours before that |
| 06:39.05 | mckenziemc | lol shirik |
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| 06:45.43 | airtonix | Corrodias: qqmoar |
| 06:45.47 | airtonix | woops |
| 06:46.54 | Dagmar | Adys: Suggestion... make the lower bounds of the factor zero. |
| 06:47.13 | Adys | yeah, hesitated |
| 06:47.27 | Dagmar | Then it becomes a percentage of the distance between the min and max |
| 06:47.32 | Adys | Arrowmaster: if they're 24/7, any time |
| 06:48.01 | Adys | Dagmar: hm, good idea |
| 06:48.06 | Iriel | Most are checkin "around 4" and checkout "around 10" |
| 06:48.08 | Arrowmaster | Adys: almost all of them say 4pm checkin, 12pm checkout |
| 06:48.15 | Arrowmaster | one said 3pm but i forgot which |
| 06:48.17 | Iriel | But you should call and ask |
| 06:48.21 | Adys | that cant possibly be right |
| 06:48.27 | Iriel | They need to clean the rooms |
| 06:48.29 | Adys | i checked out at like 3am last year |
| 06:48.34 | Adys | s/out/in/ |
| 06:48.46 | Dagmar | I mean you can always just multiple what the user sets by a coefficient so it *becomes* a range from 0 to 100, but it's definitely easier to work out the mathif it's just treated as a percentage |
| 06:48.50 | Iriel | That's policy, if you show up at 2pm and want a room, and none are open, they can say no |
| 06:48.54 | Arrowmaster | Adys: were you paying for that night? |
| 06:48.58 | Iriel | well, 4pm checkin means any time AFTER 4pm |
| 06:48.59 | Iriel | not before. |
| 06:49.00 | Dagmar | I'm just too tired to work out the rest properly |
| 06:49.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 06:49.22 | Arrowmaster | Adys: then thats fine |
| 06:49.54 | Arrowmaster | and you seriously went 12 hours before checking in last year? |
| 06:50.00 | Adys | er |
| 06:50.02 | Adys | the year before |
| 06:50.05 | Adys | at the porto fino |
| 06:50.08 | Arrowmaster | was going to say |
| 06:50.12 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:50.15 | Shirik | I'm tempted to buy this ticket |
| 06:50.21 | Shirik | PDX -> LAX -> SNA |
| 06:50.39 | Shirik | omg it gets better |
| 06:50.42 | Shirik | PDX -> SEA -> LAX -> SNA |
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| 07:03.53 | Fisker | baw Shirik |
| 07:03.58 | Fisker | fast forward a day for me |
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| 07:22.34 | zenzio | "In a 10 year long experiment, scientists at Imperial College have made the most precise measurement so far of the shape of the electron. It's round. So round, in fact, that if the electron were enlarged to the size of the solar system, its shape would diverge from a perfect sphere less than the width of a human hair." |
| 07:23.55 | Fisker | cogwheel btw |
| 07:24.01 | Fisker | reported for reselling tickets |
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| 07:32.24 | zenzio | "Removing useful things like status bars, and replacing intuitive "I don't know what I'm looking for, but I'll know it when I see it" menus with those "trying to view the Grand Canyon through a toilet paper tube" restrictiveness of these ribbons and such... it just really gets annoying." |
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| 07:34.36 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 07:34.41 | Fisker | preordered the 1000 kr bill? |
| 07:34.58 | Kalroth | No need, the government made it for me |
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| 07:39.38 | airtonix | Fisker: i really hate acronym based variable names |
| 07:40.01 | airtonix | coz lawl: rcCeTaW really means somethign to me without documentation |
| 07:40.35 | Fisker | k |
| 07:40.57 | Fisker | i wanna die someone airtonix |
| 07:41.04 | airtonix | ok |
| 07:41.14 | airtonix | die the fuckwit that created this project |
| 07:41.34 | airtonix | his name is Robert Palson |
| 07:41.42 | Fisker | i would if i could |
| 07:41.47 | Fisker | but i also have other people to die |
| 07:42.09 | airtonix | but it's simple with your trans-atlantic sub-orbital sniper rifle |
| 07:42.24 | airtonix | you know, the one you had hitler make for you. |
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| 07:49.12 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.16 | Adys | fuck me trying to do the right thing |
| 07:49.18 | Adys | amazon is being kind |
| 07:49.40 | kd3 | at least or at most 5 MB? |
| 07:49.54 | kd3 | oh, wait, no. I got it |
| 07:57.32 | tekkub | trans-atlantic sub-orbital sniper rifle |
| 07:57.38 | tekkub | TASOSR? |
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| 07:58.07 | Arrowmaster | video game or anime? |
| 07:58.19 | tekkub | why does that make me think "tossed salad" meets that retarded naming a web site after something minus the 'e' near the end of the name |
| 07:58.21 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 07:58.41 | tekkub | do you hate dwarfs? join us on tossr.com |
| 07:59.12 | tekkub | ok tossr.com was a total letdown |
| 07:59.30 | tekkub | some blog about food |
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| 08:11.35 | airtonix | quite relevant |
| 08:11.48 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 08:12.06 | airtonix | hello accomplice |
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| 08:14.23 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 08:21.08 | sylvanaar | anyone interested in playing with the debugger in my lua IDE |
| 08:23.26 | Fisker | i want to play with you |
| 08:23.50 | airtonix | trans-atlantics sylvanaars sub-orbital |
| 08:26.05 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1934 |
| 08:33.18 | mckenziemc | efiskerates Kalroth |
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| 08:38.05 | airtonix | i need some nzxt |
| 08:41.08 | airtonix | http://theclearpill.com/ |
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| 08:52.46 | kd3 | AAAHH!! Screw that!! *removed fancy buggy behavior, adds dead simple working behavior* |
| 08:52.53 | kd3 | yay, notch has learned KISS |
| 08:52.59 | kd3 | http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/73672496871776256 |
| 08:54.03 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:54.22 | Kalroth | keep it simple fisker |
| 09:05.29 | kd3 | and 1.6 just landed |
| 09:05.35 | jnwhiteh | damn |
| 09:05.38 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: awake? |
| 09:12.05 | jnwhiteh | kd3: Adys: my server is updated |
| 09:12.12 | Adys | nice :) |
| 09:12.12 | jnwhiteh | if you wnt to help test prail speed |
| 09:12.19 | Adys | maybe later, got work to do =( |
| 09:12.24 | kd3 | at some point I still need to get on your server |
| 09:12.31 | kd3 | yah, it's 5 am here. need to crash now |
| 09:12.31 | jnwhiteh | this is a test server |
| 09:12.34 | jnwhiteh | not cogserver |
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| 09:18.40 | AcidWeb | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam |
| 09:18.42 | AcidWeb | WTF |
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| 09:26.51 | mitch0 | is it possible to add a wildcard in a class selector in css? like .someClassPrefix* will match .someClassPrefix1 .someClassPrefix2 etc |
| 09:27.06 | mitch0 | (yeah, I know, wrong channel, still :) |
| 09:31.29 | Kalroth | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5110249/wildcard-in-css :) |
| 09:31.30 | Adys | mitch0: No, sorry |
| 09:31.44 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 09:32.05 | Adys | Not only you can't do this, but you shouldn't do this. Keep your unique identifier in id attribute and classes in classes attribute. If you need unique classes for javascript then use them only for javascript and don't use them in css. |
| 09:32.06 | Adys | ^ |
| 09:32.29 | mitch0 | I need them for css |
| 09:32.30 | mitch0 | :) |
| 09:32.40 | mitch0 | I'd like to hide table columns based on class |
| 09:32.40 | Adys | Why? |
| 09:32.52 | Adys | you can give an element multiple classes |
| 09:32.53 | Adys | use that |
| 09:32.59 | mitch0 | yes |
| 09:33.10 | mitch0 | wait, I'll explain |
| 09:33.11 | Adys | table class="somecol-hidden something-else" |
| 09:33.22 | mitch0 | jes |
| 09:33.25 | mitch0 | yes even :) |
| 09:33.32 | mitch0 | but the number of cols is kinda dynamic |
| 09:33.58 | mitch0 | so, I have: table.hideCol1 .col1 { display: none } |
| 09:34.06 | mitch0 | col1 has "col1" class |
| 09:34.17 | mitch0 | I hide col1 by adding hideCol1 to the table |
| 09:34.39 | mitch0 | so, basically, I'd like to "generate" that above for all cols |
| 09:34.55 | mitch0 | guess I'll just "hardcode" it for 99 cols or so :) |
| 09:34.57 | Adys | either you have a max amount of columns and you define hideCol1 hideCol2 etc classes |
| 09:35.01 | Adys | or |
| 09:35.04 | Adys | you use js |
| 09:35.12 | Adys | which sounds like a better deal for this kind of thing |
| 09:35.33 | mitch0 | I kinda like the css way :) |
| 09:36.08 | mitch0 | iterating over a huge table's cols is fugly |
| 09:36.13 | mitch0 | cols/rows |
| 09:36.27 | mitch0 | erm, cells even |
| 09:36.51 | mitch0 | so, ok, I'll do with the hardcoded 99 column version. 99 should be enough for everyone anyway ;) |
| 09:37.38 | mitch0 | shell script time |
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| 09:38.51 | Adys | + Added dead shrubs in deserts |
| 09:38.52 | Adys | wassat? |
| 09:40.13 | Adys | * Fixed bonemeal use in multiplayer sometimes spawning fake client-side trees |
| 09:40.13 | Adys | woot |
| 09:41.17 | Adys | * Fixed rain falling through liquids |
| 09:41.21 | Adys | raises three eyebrows |
| 09:43.11 | Arrowmaster | found out what happened with my CC last night |
| 09:43.38 | Arrowmaster | CC citybank put a block on the card because of the attempted $700 purchase |
| 09:43.45 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 09:44.01 | Arrowmaster | then tried to send a text message to our home phone number |
| 09:44.03 | Adys | * Fixed a system clock change messing up the game speed |
| 09:44.04 | Adys | d'aww |
| 09:44.28 | Arrowmaster | they didnt just block that transaction but locked the entire card |
| 09:45.10 | Arrowmaster | for 'high monthly usage' even though the balance is at like 30% of the limit |
| 09:45.54 | Arrowmaster | fucking idiots |
| 09:48.17 | Adys | "I forgot to update Minecraft_Server.exe, but it should be at 1.6.2 now." |
| 09:48.19 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 09:48.19 | Adys | :P |
| 09:48.38 | jnwhiteh | Adys: ? |
| 09:48.47 | Adys | 1.6.2 is out |
| 09:48.52 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 09:49.00 | airtonix | mitch0: table tr td:nth-child(1) { display:none; } |
| 09:49.00 | jnwhiteh | wont mae a diff for what im doing |
| 09:49.03 | jnwhiteh | but will update |
| 09:49.07 | jnwhiteh | im waiting on cog |
| 09:49.14 | jnwhiteh | Adys: looks like you can do 32 spacing and get 8m/s |
| 09:49.24 | Adys | airtonix: yes but you'd have to inline it then |
| 09:49.33 | airtonix | ? |
| 09:49.36 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ugh, thats still way low |
| 09:49.36 | jnwhiteh | based on my testing |
| 09:49.46 | airtonix | table tr td:nth-child(1) span{ display:none; } |
| 09:49.53 | Adys | didnt mean that |
| 09:49.54 | Adys | but yes |
| 09:50.00 | jnwhiteh | Adys: it just degrades from there |
| 09:50.11 | airtonix | anyway that just hides all the cells |
| 09:50.12 | jnwhiteh | 38 gets you 5 seconds for a lap |
| 09:50.18 | jnwhiteh | 50 gets you 7 seconds for a lap |
| 09:50.34 | Adys | thats still too fucking low |
| 09:50.36 | Adys | dammit ... |
| 09:50.47 | jnwhiteh | and max is still 8m/s |
| 09:50.55 | jnwhiteh | havent tested glitch boosters yet |
| 09:51.05 | jnwhiteh | omw to that now |
| 09:51.12 | jnwhiteh | ths is all prelim testing |
| 09:51.20 | jnwhiteh | xinhuan will get more i bet |
| 09:51.25 | jnwhiteh | but i think im accurate |
| 09:51.40 | airtonix | mitch0: also jquery has better tools for this... i'd add a data-hidden-cols="1,2,45,55" to the tr row and then use jquery to hide those columns |
| 09:51.42 | mitch0 | airtonix: I'd still need to pre-gen it (like table.hideCol1 tr td:nth-child(1) { display: none; }, I just wouldn't have to add "col1" or somesuch to each table cell |
| 09:52.12 | airtonix | you'll end up with a cluster fuck of a stylesheet otherwise |
| 09:52.21 | mitch0 | airtonix: I'm doing stuff from scratch :0 |
| 09:52.22 | mitch0 | :) |
| 09:52.29 | airtonix | just add .hidden to the td then |
| 09:52.31 | jnwhiteh | oh god |
| 09:52.35 | jnwhiteh | glitch boosters dont work at all |
| 09:52.40 | airtonix | and create one class |
| 09:52.54 | mitch0 | airtonix: but then I'd have to iterate over the table, which sucks |
| 09:53.03 | jnwhiteh | carts alongside each other just do not interact |
| 09:53.12 | airtonix | mitch0: you're doing that anyway when you make the table |
| 09:53.33 | mitch0 | "make the table" ? |
| 09:53.47 | mitch0 | the table is generated server side, the hide/show should be client-side |
| 09:53.51 | airtonix | yes |
| 09:54.18 | mitch0 | if I add .hidden to every cell, I won't be able to hide them column-by-column |
| 09:54.28 | airtonix | i think you miss the point |
| 09:54.32 | mitch0 | could be |
| 09:54.54 | airtonix | but then you'd have to explain why you want to hide columns in a table ? |
| 09:54.59 | mitch0 | airtonix: keep in mind: I want to toggle the visibility by adding 1 class to the table, not iterating all the elements in the table |
| 09:55.39 | airtonix | mitch0: alot of people don't know this but you can actually control columns by providing a table header element and manipulating the th elements |
| 09:56.16 | mitch0 | I do have a table header |
| 09:56.30 | mitch0 | so you say if I hide the <th> then it hides the whole column? |
| 09:56.36 | airtonix | http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4.1 |
| 09:56.44 | airtonix | colgroups |
| 09:57.08 | mitch0 | erm, how does that help me? |
| 09:57.20 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I had a feeling that's what happened with your card. |
| 09:57.28 | airtonix | well when you define a colgroup for each coloumn, you can toggle it on and off with css |
| 09:57.40 | mitch0 | ah |
| 09:57.42 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: its fucking retarded that it happened though |
| 09:58.17 | Torhal | Aye, especially if it's a bona-fide credit card. |
| 09:58.27 | airtonix | mitch0: for javascript dom it also means that table.colgroup[34].rows = 'a list of td elements only in this column' |
| 09:58.27 | jnwhiteh | mikma: inform me when modloader and optimine are updated pls :P |
| 09:58.29 | mitch0 | airtonix: thanks, I'll investigate |
| 09:58.43 | Arrowmaster | its a citybank backed platinum select mastercard |
| 09:58.47 | Torhal | Anywho, maybe since I'll only get three hours of sleep I'll actually be ABLE to sleep. |
| 09:58.55 | mitch0 | after coffee |
| 09:59.01 | Torhal | Bah! |
| 09:59.29 | Arrowmaster | and its the same card i used to pay for my monthly wow subscription before i quit |
| 09:59.55 | airtonix | mitch0: that very last example snippet in the colgroup section there should give you a good idea on how to structure the html serverside |
| 10:00.15 | Arrowmaster | so a payment to blizzard should not be suspicious |
| 10:00.49 | Arrowmaster | their response was 'well now the card is unlocked so you can use it for the purchase' |
| 10:01.43 | airtonix | mitch0: read this too : http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200410/bring_on_the_tables/ |
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| 10:22.26 | mitch0 | airtonix: thanks a bunch, I think I'm on the right track now. time for an experiment :) |
| 10:30.46 | mitch0 | airtonix: table.colgroup is indexed from 0, right? |
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| 10:38.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/911592-GMs-permitted-to-say-this?p=11614758#post11614758 |
| 10:38.41 | karl_w_w | jesus |
| 10:40.10 | airtonix | mitch0: can't remember but : http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/evenodd |
| 10:40.53 | airtonix | starts from 1 |
| 10:41.12 | airtonix | not sure about table colgroups |
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| 10:50.52 | mikma | jnwhiteh: will do! |
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| 11:02.13 | Wobin | karl_w_w: We've had that sort of opinion before =P |
| 11:02.20 | Wobin | "It's a hack, and that's -never- good!" |
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| 12:10.31 | mckenziemc | i think my ptr launcher did that yesterday |
| 12:10.51 | haste | damn, I forgot to put on the PTR download, yet again |
| 12:13.15 | mckenziemc | i left it overnight expecting it to be finished when i came back but it wasn't even up : / |
| 12:13.53 | haste | that was my plan |
| 12:14.05 | mckenziemc | is there an addon that shows how many randoms each of your chars has left for the bonus reward? |
| 12:14.21 | bluspacecow | fisker got into your PTR download mck |
| 12:14.33 | mckenziemc | i had one back in wotlk before the change, but forgot what it was called and idk if it was updated |
| 12:18.35 | airtonix | was that the umadbroUI? |
| 12:18.54 | airtonix | or the dotdotdotUI ? |
| 12:19.44 | airtonix | guess what |
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| 12:26.51 | zenzio | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny-facebook-fails-oh-sh.jpg |
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| 12:29.21 | bluspacecow | hai2u Peppy |
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| 12:50.38 | zenzio | "Q: How many Prolog programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Yes. |
| 12:50.39 | zenzio | " |
| 12:51.00 | zenzio | gah, why can't browsers stop thinking I want an invisible line break at the end of paragraphs I copy |
| 12:51.02 | sylvanaar_work | scenerio 1:... |
| 12:51.48 | sylvanaar_work | meh, goal #1 |
| 12:52.18 | mckenziemc | why can't you stop copying the newline |
| 12:52.36 | zenzio | if I was aware it was there, I would |
| 12:52.50 | zenzio | the browser shows no indication I've included it |
| 12:53.18 | zenzio | "I hope you understand the irony of adding exclamation marks to an acronym in order to pad it to 15 characters." |
| 12:53.38 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 12:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | LinkedIn wants me to know an awful lot of UI people these days. :) |
| 12:54.23 | zenzio | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35/whats-your-favorite-programming-joke - some good stuff there |
| 12:55.42 | foxlit | A. Yes. |
| 12:55.46 | foxlit | The best kind of joke. |
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| 13:01.50 | bluspacecow | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35/whats-your-favorite-programming-joke/2205#2205 |
| 13:01.54 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 13:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Strongly typed languages. *nod* |
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| 13:20.47 | airtonix | i will kill you |
| 13:21.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, help? |
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| 13:21.13 | airtonix | at some as of yet determined point in the distant future |
| 13:21.38 | airtonix | which may or may not correlate with the moon landing |
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| 13:25.47 | Ackis | teabags the channel. |
| 13:25.54 | airtonix | missed |
| 13:26.25 | Ackis | nope, I'm pretty sure you have my balls in your face at this moment in time |
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| 13:26.31 | zenzio | that's not large enough to be considered a bag |
| 13:26.38 | Lopeppeppy | Zing! |
| 13:26.47 | airtonix | you under-estimate my girth |
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| 13:27.02 | Cairenn | Ackis: ... |
| 13:27.03 | airtonix | actually |
| 13:27.57 | Ackis | don't worry Cairenn there's enough to go around! :P |
| 13:28.04 | Cairenn | >.< |
| 13:29.09 | Ackis | :D |
| 13:29.27 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/boobies-kittens |
| 13:29.48 | bluspacecow | from 23 seconds |
| 13:31.00 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://www.ustream.tv/sfshiba |
| 13:33.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam |
| 13:33.41 | Cairenn | puppies! Shiba Inu puppies! SOOOOO cute! |
| 13:34.03 | Ackis | I'm in your good books again! yay! :D |
| 13:34.04 | Cairenn | j'adore, j'adore, j'adore |
| 13:34.11 | airtonix | :< |
| 13:34.15 | Cairenn | they're playing :) |
| 13:34.37 | Ackis | the two that are trying to sleep lol |
| 13:34.45 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 13:35.13 | Cairenn | that's actually another breed of dog that I wouldn't mind owning |
| 13:35.22 | Ackis | same |
| 13:35.43 | Ackis | I think we're set on another pom though just because of how our dog reacts to other poms |
| 13:36.01 | Cairenn | they get big enough to actually be called dogs, as opposed to the rats on a string that claim to be dogs |
| 13:36.06 | airtonix | you'll alienate it |
| 13:36.08 | Ackis | :( |
| 13:36.08 | Cairenn | (sorry :p ) |
| 13:36.10 | Ackis | lol |
| 13:36.16 | Ackis | nah I call our pom a rat at times |
| 13:36.22 | Ackis | when he's wet he looks like one hehe |
| 13:36.48 | Cairenn | can't help it, I grew up with Chows and Rotties and Shepards ... |
| 13:37.10 | Ackis | I grew up with a mutt |
| 13:37.13 | Ackis | two mutts |
| 13:37.19 | Ackis | they had curly hair though |
| 13:37.27 | Cairenn | if it goes 'yip' and doesn't come to at least my knee at the shoulder .... it doesn't count :p |
| 13:37.38 | Cairenn | (with a few exceptions) |
| 13:37.43 | Ackis | hehe |
| 13:38.15 | Lopeppeppy | Chows aren't dogs, they're horses! :) |
| 13:38.17 | Lopeppeppy | Or maybe bears. |
| 13:38.25 | Cairenn | bears, yes, horses no |
| 13:39.02 | Cairenn | awww, puppies going to sleep now |
| 13:39.04 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://kuvaton.com/browse/18138/clever_british_coins.jpg ? |
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| 13:42.34 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 13:43.20 | Ackis | hey Kraps |
| 13:43.21 | airtonix | going to link a gawker i spose? |
| 13:43.25 | Ackis | not so hey Fisker |
| 13:43.46 | Kraps | actually i had a brilliant idea |
| 13:43.51 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 13:43.53 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 13:43.54 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 13:44.50 | airtonix | i'm not replying to you |
| 13:45.03 | Fisker | you just did |
| 13:45.09 | airtonix | did i? |
| 13:45.15 | Fisker | indeed |
| 13:45.19 | airtonix | when? |
| 13:45.26 | Kraps | they should implement realid on the forums but if you dont want your real name displayed, PREMIUM! |
| 13:45.51 | airtonix | that is an excellent idea |
| 13:45.55 | airtonix | murders Kraps |
| 13:46.00 | Ackis | Fisker: do you have butt flu? |
| 13:46.19 | Kraps | i know right? |
| 13:46.44 | Kalroth | the Fisker butt flu means that it's your mouth that gets the runnies .. |
| 13:46.58 | Cairenn | guys, come on |
| 13:47.03 | Fisker | good idea Kraps |
| 13:47.47 | Kraps | i should send this to blizzard |
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| 13:48.03 | airtonix | send it to me first |
| 13:50.41 | Fisker | you can't buy me hotdogs maaaaan |
| 13:52.40 | airtonix | two |
| 13:53.13 | Kraps | people are actually QQing about the encounter journal? |
| 13:53.35 | airtonix | if in doubt QQ about it |
| 13:54.50 | mckenziemc | link |
| 13:56.56 | bluspacecow | @kraps probably more of the "in my day i slogged up hill in the snow 10 miles to school every day" type arguments |
| 13:58.38 | Fisker | doesn't have to be |
| 13:59.39 | Fisker | i want a 64GB MicroSD card bluspacecow :( |
| 13:59.54 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 13:59.58 | bluspacecow | ask santa ! |
| 14:00.24 | Kraps | what i'm hearing in this podcast is that for hardcores, discovering what is in an encounter is have the fun |
| 14:00.41 | Kraps | s/have/half/ |
| 14:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | For some hardcore players, yes - they enjoy the challenge of being the one to figure it out first. |
| 14:01.11 | Fisker | yeah nothing like hitting your head against a wall while you spend several minutes looking through logs |
| 14:01.34 | airtonix | eeeeeeeeeeeepad |
| 14:01.37 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 14:01.42 | airtonix | HAHA |
| 14:01.52 | Fisker | umadbro? |
| 14:02.24 | airtonix | batshitcrazy |
| 14:04.16 | bluspacecow | imad fisker bro |
| 14:04.28 | Fisker | yusomadbro? |
| 14:04.36 | Cairenn | There /is/ a certain sense of accomplishment when you finally figure out just exactly what it will take to successfully 'beat' the encounter and you take it down for that first time |
| 14:04.41 | bluspacecow | notch put out 1.6 but it has bugs in it |
| 14:04.56 | bluspacecow | and i is at work where i can't update it with the bug fixes following it |
| 14:05.01 | bluspacecow | thats yisomadbro |
| 14:05.27 | airtonix | so bluspacecow... what do you think it's called when a white van pulls up beside you on a busy main street and 6 huge strong men in hospital nurse outfits grab you and bundle you up in a straight jacket then throw you in the van and proceed to drive off while violating several traffic laws? |
| 14:05.53 | Fisker | :) bluspacecow |
| 14:06.11 | bluspacecow | hmmmmmm |
| 14:06.18 | bluspacecow | my idea of a wonderful sunday afternoon |
| 14:06.18 | airtonix | protip: not kinky |
| 14:06.25 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:06.44 | airtonix | it's called family fraud |
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| 14:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles bluspacecow. Odd ideas of fun! |
| 14:10.50 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 14:10.50 | airtonix | he likes being dominated |
| 14:15.06 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.15 | airtonix | and update within an update? |
| 14:15.34 | airtonix | what is this madness! |
| 14:17.22 | bluspacecow | notch is taking lessons from fisker |
| 14:17.27 | bluspacecow | on trolling his customers |
| 14:17.54 | bluspacecow | *trollface.jpg* what's up MC mod user fags ? u jelly ? |
| 14:18.17 | bluspacecow | i kid i kid |
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| 14:37.02 | Xinhuan | so apparently the broken macbook i talked about this morning, the graphics card died |
| 14:37.13 | Lopeppeppy_ | Okay. These little internet outages are getting mighty annoying. I'm trying to upload commencement videos to YouTube, with predictable errors every time I DC. Grrrrrr. |
| 14:37.26 | Xinhuan | however, apparently, the warranty small print says the gx card is still under warranty even though the macbook itself isn't after 4 years |
| 14:37.27 | Lopeppeppy_ | Xinhuan, let's put my internet and your graphics card on the same RMA! |
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| 14:41.14 | Cruciformer | Hello people - long time no see |
| 14:41.44 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 14:41.49 | Kraps | "If you're cutting edge you've already seen the bosses on the PTR, you've already read the strategies before the patch is anywhere near release. What amounts to ability tooltips is not going to tell you how to beat a boss, or make you or your raid competent enough to do so." |
| 14:42.06 | Kraps | ~bashiok++ |
| 14:43.22 | Cruciformer | I was looking onthe blizzard forums for a list of UI changes for 4.1, liek Iriel used to have stickied in teh old days. Any clue where I may find such a list? |
| 14:43.58 | Lopeppeppy_ | I don't think there has been such a list created recently... |
| 14:44.04 | AcidWeb | ^This |
| 14:44.29 | Fisker | LOL, bluspacecow |
| 14:44.30 | Fisker | lol. |
| 14:44.37 | Lopeppeppy_ | New forums, new ways of the things of the doing. |
| 14:44.47 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy_: ah ok thanks. |
| 14:44.53 | Fisker | someone is asking what Blizzard is going to do about wow slavery in china |
| 14:44.55 | Fisker | L O L D |
| 14:45.25 | Lopeppeppy_ | Um... It's in China. Go ask the Chinese about that. |
| 14:45.35 | bluspacecow | wowprogramming.com's xml browser has current 4.2 changes in the frame xml/glue xml |
| 14:45.44 | Lopeppeppy_ | That's like asking a sewing machine manufacturer what they're going to do about sweatshops. |
| 14:45.49 | Cruciformer | good luck getting any sane answers out of the chinese |
| 14:45.57 | Fisker | no |
| 14:46.01 | bluspacecow | heh china ? this the country that historically has said FU! to the US |
| 14:46.04 | Fisker | it's obviously Blizzards fault |
| 14:46.24 | Lopeppeppy_ | Doesn't change that the problem exists there, not at Bliz HQ. |
| 14:46.28 | Stanzilla | I said FU! to the US, too |
| 14:46.42 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: does it have the same for 4.0 to 4.1? |
| 14:47.24 | Lopeppeppy_ | Go look, Cruci! *poke* |
| 14:47.26 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 14:47.34 | bluspacecow | its not a detailed ui cahnges |
| 14:47.40 | Cruciformer | Lope: I am but I see now way to change what its diffed against :) |
| 14:47.48 | bluspacecow | as in you have to look through the lines of code |
| 14:47.49 | foxlit | "bluspacecow: yep" << you mean "nope" |
| 14:47.56 | bluspacecow | also wow pedia may have a nice list |
| 14:48.25 | bluspacecow | yes to the xml browser having the changes of the code between 4.0 to 4.1 |
| 14:48.37 | bluspacecow | but its not like iriel's stickies used to be |
| 14:49.00 | Lopeppeppy_ | bluspacecow, you are a god. But nothing is like Iriel's stickies. *tragic sigh* |
| 14:49.01 | foxlit | link any, blu. |
| 14:49.23 | bluspacecow | http://www.any.com |
| 14:49.31 | AcidWeb | Cruciformer, you looking for any specific change? |
| 14:49.34 | foxlit | ... never nice. Have a facepalm. |
| 14:49.39 | foxlit | s/never/very/ |
| 14:50.15 | bluspacecow | you said to link any ! i did :D |
| 14:50.27 | Lopeppeppy_ | Smartie pants. |
| 14:50.32 | Cruciformer | AcidWeb: I need to upodate my mods. Ive been out of the scene for a while. Someone mentioned something about RegisterAddonMessagePrefix and I want to find out more about other changes in 4.1 |
| 14:50.35 | foxlit | link any page showing a code change between 4.0 and 4.1 on wowprogramming :) |
| 14:51.01 | foxlit | and by "code change" I mean FrameXML changes. :) |
| 14:51.19 | AcidWeb | Cruciformer, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39229 |
| 14:51.23 | airtonix | http://wowprogramming.com/private-files/foxlit/fantasies.lua |
| 14:51.39 | airtonix | oh damn |
| 14:51.51 | airtonix | i mean... would you look at that |
| 14:52.07 | Cruciformer | thank you very much AcidWeb. |
| 14:52.09 | airtonix | it's gone already |
| 14:53.26 | foxlit | airtonix: aw, shucks? |
| 14:54.20 | AcidWeb | Cruciformer, Also look here http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2057506348 if you used COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED event |
| 14:55.01 | Cruciformer | Acid: its a suicide kings loot addon so no combat message hasles thank goodness :) |
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| 14:57.13 | Kraps | i hope you all get what you deserve |
| 14:57.32 | Kraps | now, was that a curse or a blessing? |
| 14:57.38 | Kraps | http://inception.davepedu.com/ |
| 14:57.50 | Cruciformer | Kraps: yes, it was a curse or a blessing :) |
| 14:57.58 | Ackis | damnit just got busted sleeping at work :( |
| 14:58.03 | Kraps | haha! |
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| 15:00.16 | Kraps | http://mygaming.co.za/news/columns/11963-Modern-Warfare-Why-Still-Care.html |
| 15:00.33 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyND_YqnayA |
| 15:01.53 | durcyn | ah yes, those world-renowned gaming magazines from Zaire, Kraps |
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| 15:02.09 | airtonix | lol |
| 15:03.22 | Kraps | wow i didnt even notice |
| 15:03.30 | Cruciformer | ZA = south africa, not Zairee, just FYI :) |
| 15:04.14 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:04.16 | Fisker | am i a dick? |
| 15:04.17 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2151656493?page=1#5 |
| 15:04.18 | Cruciformer | and south africa has a pretty big gaming community |
| 15:04.37 | Cruciformer | (I happen to live in south africa so I know) :) |
| 15:05.11 | bluspacecow | not really |
| 15:05.16 | bluspacecow | but this is |
| 15:05.16 | bluspacecow | http://images.gammatester.com/images.gammatester.com/pics/e695fefa82fdc9e00d43bc5a57e6e62b.png |
| 15:05.48 | Fisker | don't you agree bluspacecow ? |
| 15:05.55 | bluspacecow | not really |
| 15:08.20 | Ackis | hah hah I saw a penis bluspacecow |
| 15:09.19 | Kraps | hmm http://store.steampowered.com/app/98500/ |
| 15:10.43 | mckenziemc | lolwut Fisker |
| 15:12.07 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:12.10 | Fisker | did you thumbs me up? |
| 15:12.13 | Fisker | it really helps me out |
| 15:14.36 | bluspacecow | i did i did |
| 15:14.59 | airtonix | you put your thumbs where? |
| 15:15.03 | airtonix | up? |
| 15:15.24 | airtonix | how does that help fsker> |
| 15:15.55 | Cruciformer | he likes it that way is how |
| 15:22.08 | Torhal|work | Urk |
| 15:22.15 | mckenziemc | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35/whats-your-favorite-programming-joke/1843#1843 >.> <.< |
| 15:22.20 | Ackis | hey Torhal|work did you know that pompy and I are going to blizzcon? |
| 15:22.25 | Torhal|work | Which friggin' PTR do I download? I see WOW1 and WOW2, both labeled Cataclysm PTR |
| 15:22.34 | Torhal|work | ~lart ackis |
| 15:22.34 | purl | whacks ackis with a giant beaver's tail |
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| 15:24.24 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 15:25.49 | Cruciformer | brb |
| 15:28.30 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDyyCQP2Dk |
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| 15:31.13 | Ackis | why so not away cogwheel? |
| 15:31.38 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 15:33.21 | Fisker | toh god bluspacecow |
| 15:33.25 | Fisker | blizzard have done it now |
| 15:33.36 | Fisker | They deleted the chinese slavery threads |
| 15:33.40 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 15:33.48 | Fisker | (Because they were duplicates, not because they were about chinese slavery) |
| 15:33.58 | AcidWeb | Because they got share. |
| 15:33.59 | Fisker | but guess which theory most people will subscribe to? |
| 15:33.59 | AcidWeb | ;> |
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| 15:38.08 | durcyn | we're talking about activision here, all they have to do is put a stupid fucking horse in the store if they need cash. |
| 15:39.30 | Fisker | don't bully the small indies durcyn |
| 15:39.33 | Fisker | they need money too |
| 15:39.44 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/omnios-wowkeys-keyboard-now-shipping-ready-to-dock-your-iphone/ |
| 15:40.47 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg |
| 15:40.58 | Fisker | won't dock the iphone 5 :3 |
| 15:41.36 | Fisker | worst ad EVER |
| 15:41.43 | durcyn | there's no iphone 5 fisker |
| 15:41.45 | Fisker | unless it's the intro of a porn |
| 15:41.49 | Fisker | 4s then durcyn |
| 15:41.54 | Fisker | whatever they're going to call it |
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| 15:52.05 | haste | . |
| 15:52.19 | Fisker | , |
| 15:52.26 | Ackis | ? |
| 15:52.29 | Parnic | # |
| 15:52.32 | Fisker | do a little shopping Ackis |
| 15:52.34 | Fisker | hello Parnic |
| 15:52.40 | Parnic | goodbye fisker |
| 15:52.44 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:52.46 | Fisker | why? |
| 15:52.54 | Parnic | seemed like a good idea |
| 15:53.12 | Fisker | wow sylvanaar_work |
| 15:53.16 | Fisker | ITS A KEYBOARD WITHOUT LAG |
| 15:54.33 | Ackis | I'm not feeling very good fisker |
| 15:54.47 | Fisker | me neither Ackis |
| 15:54.51 | Fisker | want a keyboard without lag? |
| 15:55.25 | mckenziemc | i'm not feeling very Fisker, Ackis |
| 15:55.58 | Fisker | so |
| 15:56.03 | Fisker | how is it over there in chin...usa? |
| 15:56.06 | Ackis | sylvanaar_work: http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/homehealth/respiratory_care/bipapavaps/default.wpd that's what the one I'm getting looks like |
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| 15:57.53 | Ackis | and afk meeting |
| 15:57.55 | pajlada | "back to the music, it's portable, no way!!" |
| 15:58.14 | mckenziemc | you should go afm, Ackis |
| 15:58.50 | Fisker | i was so much hoping it would be a porn pajlada |
| 15:59.54 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
| 16:00.58 | pajlada | oh it wasn't porn? |
| 16:01.14 | Fisker | nope :( |
| 16:01.18 | pajlada | damn |
| 16:01.22 | mckenziemc | rule 34? |
| 16:01.30 | mckenziemc | (not sure if that's the right #) |
| 16:02.44 | Fisker | it is |
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| 16:08.36 | mckenziemc | http://ohinternet.com/File:Imperial_Walker_Rule_34.jpg >.> |
| 16:14.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_h3AAn7Pk&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:14.42 | Kraps | comments |
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| 16:29.55 | Kraps | omg apple i hate you |
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| 16:40.58 | Ackis | mckenziemc: afm? |
| 16:42.15 | Ackis | hey Torhal|work did you know I got blizzcon tickets? |
| 16:42.28 | karl_w_w | why does this static popup not hide when I press esc? http://pastebin.com/i7ivBwB6 |
| 16:43.17 | Adys | karl_w_w: maybe it doesnt have focus? |
| 16:43.18 | Kraps | http://www.couchpotatoclub.com/2011/05/disneys-the-lion-king-goes-hi-def-and-3d/ lion king in bluray woot! |
| 16:43.50 | karl_w_w | should do |
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| 16:44.11 | Cruciformer | cool thats out of the way. ksk/kpug updated for 4.1. |
| 16:44.32 | Cruciformer | I feel quite sheepish I didnt pay attention to changes in 4.1. |
| 16:45.00 | karl_w_w | yeah it has focus |
| 16:48.31 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh0uSMbXDOc&feature=player_detailpage#t=60s |
| 16:49.47 | Ackis | lmae |
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| 16:51.58 | Kraps | http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/86328/top-ten-most-outrageous-moments-in-e3-history/ |
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| 16:52.41 | Ackis | lame |
| 16:55.31 | Kraps | wtf with Jamie Kennedy |
| 16:55.51 | durcyn | that site needs editors like cancer needs a cure |
| 16:56.56 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyuxL7oqxUw |
| 16:57.19 | Cruciformer | durcyn: Whats the number one cause of cancer? A: research. |
| 17:00.09 | mckenziemc | Ackis: away from meeting |
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| 17:05.06 | bluspacecow | BBL |
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| 17:08.10 | Kraps | ur lame Ackis |
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| 17:10.52 | sylvanaar | Torhal: im finally making a 1.0 version |
| 17:11.08 | Ackis | Kraps: do you have bieber fever? |
| 17:11.49 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:11.51 | Fisker | hey blu |
| 17:11.52 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:11.55 | Fisker | not so hey Kraps |
| 17:12.04 | Kraps | YES ACKIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVxVpNvb79g |
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| 17:17.13 | Torhal|work | sylvanaar: Sweet :) |
| 17:18.30 | sylvanaar | yeah, i finally added the debugger |
| 17:18.34 | Ackis | http://ca.kotaku.com/5805348/age-of-conan-is-now-free-to-play |
| 17:18.52 | sylvanaar | it should be pay me to play |
| 17:18.57 | sylvanaar | i like the soundtrack though |
| 17:18.59 | Corrodias | free to play, expensive to do anything cool. feels bad, man. |
| 17:19.08 | Corrodias | that's how all those f2p games work. |
| 17:19.26 | Corrodias | of course, it sounds like blizzard has "premium" features now, too, so... i guess it's not that different any more? |
| 17:19.32 | Fisker | better than pay to play, expensive to do anything cool |
| 17:19.33 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 17:26.04 | Ackis | http://lifehacker.com/5805108/which-direction-should-i-wipe |
| 17:26.11 | Ackis | deep thoughts in that post |
| 17:26.16 | Ackis | how to wipe your ass |
| 17:26.49 | Fisker | needs to be put on ted talks |
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| 17:32.03 | durcyn | even lifehacker is making fun of how terrible lifehacker is now? |
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| 17:32.57 | zenzelezz | durcyn: because going against the flow is too conformist |
| 17:35.51 | Kraps | for men it makes no difference |
| 17:35.55 | Kraps | the end |
| 17:36.13 | kd3 | good grief |
| 17:36.17 | kd3 | straight to 1.6.4 |
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| 17:45.19 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/ubisoft_week |
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| 17:46.04 | Corrodias | birthday? january 1 1955 WHATEVER LET ME IN |
| 17:48.52 | Corrodias | far cry 2 looks a little interesting, but not interesting enough to buy a 5 system activation limit. |
| 17:49.01 | Corrodias | don't care how low the price gets |
| 17:49.55 | Kraps | how many activations do you need? |
| 17:50.06 | Corrodias | infinity |
| 17:50.32 | Kraps | why |
| 17:51.00 | Cide | exactly, why? |
| 17:52.03 | Corrodias | mainly because i am offended by someone keeping count of what i do. there's some concern that systems get lost and i imagine you call their support line and they reset their records. maybe. |
| 17:52.25 | Corrodias | i like not doing that ever. |
| 17:56.30 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5805902/assassins-creed-revelations-reveals-fresh-new-details/gallery/1 |
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| 18:06.40 | Kraps | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/video-game-movies.jpg |
| 18:08.58 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:09.00 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 18:10.45 | kd3 | hm? |
| 18:11.57 | Corrodias | i like the title "DOA: Dead or Alive" |
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| 18:23.09 | Kraps | http://www.drudgereport.com/flash11.htm |
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| 18:25.32 | Kraps | http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hurr-durr-derp-face-our-major-fonts.png |
| 18:27.29 | Corrodias | now that is unfortunate |
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| 18:38.46 | Fisker | my head is exploding Kraps |
| 18:40.21 | Fisker | so kd3 |
| 18:40.34 | Fisker | how come malware and other stuff that allows your account to be hacked can freely be ignored |
| 18:40.47 | Fisker | but god damn you if you're running cheatengine parallel to WoW? |
| 18:42.11 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone here watch happy endings? |
| 18:42.52 | Nechckn | Sure, just before they ask me for 100 bucks. =) |
| 18:43.21 | Maldivia | comedy series, had it season finale last night |
| 18:43.25 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:43.39 | Fisker | think we can get a premium version where i can have cheat engine running without WoW complaining? |
| 18:45.09 | mckenziemc | no |
| 18:45.55 | Fisker | damn |
| 18:46.03 | Fisker | what should a free Fisker do? |
| 18:46.37 | Nechckn | offer blizzy an extra two-fiddy a month |
| 18:46.50 | Nechckn | Surely they would have no issues, then, Fisker |
| 18:47.29 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 18:48.22 | Nechckn | tosses Fisker a snack. |
| 18:48.50 | Fisker | thanks |
| 18:48.52 | Fisker | it really helps me out |
| 18:49.07 | Nechckn | Why so glum, fella? |
| 18:49.20 | Nechckn | You are not your usual witty self. |
| 18:53.15 | Fisker | i'm not glum |
| 18:53.16 | Fisker | anyway |
| 18:53.26 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s9wYEkRAgs <-looking forward to seeing that in Denmark in like 2020 or something |
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| 18:56.49 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:57.25 | Nechckn | Here Citi started handing out these tiny cards meant to stick to your phone/in your case - instead of a keyfob. |
| 18:57.46 | Nechckn | Only good for items under 20 or something like that, so not all too scary. |
| 18:57.47 | mckenziemc | channel |
| 18:59.56 | Corrodias | i guess that's a little more convenient than a card |
| 19:04.01 | Nechckn | shallow rfid on the bottom or back of the hand would be interesting, but do not want folks losing a hand for a thief to get their Happy Meal. |
| 19:04.32 | karl_w_w | <Kraps> http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hurr-durr-derp-face-our-major-fonts.png <- reminds me of my high school economics teacher, every single page of notes or worksheet or whatever she made was done in all comic sans |
| 19:05.41 | Nechckn | Was she that sexy, though, karl_w_w? |
| 19:05.52 | karl_w_w | no :( |
| 19:06.12 | Maldivia | Fisker: like the comment on it, about you being more inclined to spend money when you don't actually have to handle it |
| 19:06.28 | Nechckn | *poor pooch... |
| 19:06.46 | Nechckn | Maldivia true on that, but credit cards are the same idea - at least to me. |
| 19:07.52 | Maldivia | Nechckn: personally, I very very rarely have any cash on me at all |
| 19:08.06 | Maldivia | use my card for everything |
| 19:09.31 | Nechckn | All depends where I am - some places you sort of need a big wad of ones - others you want to have whatever monetary instrument hidden well away. But, yeah, in general, have only a few pieces of paper for a tip or whatever. |
| 19:10.16 | Kraps | Fisker: why do you need a cheat engine? |
| 19:10.17 | Nechckn | Reward points help with that decision, too! |
| 19:16.10 | Kraps | http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-the-location-in-which-we-currenyly-reside-within-may-receive-the-idenification-of.jpg |
| 19:16.18 | Fisker | to cheat with Kraps |
| 19:16.35 | Kraps | in wow? |
| 19:16.46 | Fisker | no |
| 19:16.55 | Fisker | that would be utterly pointless |
| 19:17.03 | Fisker | unless if i wanted to speedhack or teleport hack |
| 19:17.16 | Fisker | in which case there are much better alternatives to that than messing around with it myself |
| 19:17.58 | Kraps | so why do you need a cheat engine while running wow? |
| 19:19.15 | Fisker | why do i need applications running while running wow? |
| 19:19.35 | foxlit | why indeed. |
| 19:19.43 | Fisker | oh you |
| 19:19.44 | foxlit | In fact, they should just make wow bootable off a DVD |
| 19:19.49 | Fisker | preordered a 1000kr bill yet? |
| 19:19.53 | foxlit | operating systems are for people up to no good. |
| 19:19.59 | Fisker | yeah foxlit |
| 19:20.19 | Fisker | i like it when people QQ about Steamworks |
| 19:20.20 | Kraps | so why do you need a cheat engine while running wow? |
| 19:20.25 | Fisker | "It should be optional" |
| 19:20.43 | Fisker | "I should be able to run <game> without windows, linux, mac, or any other OS then, it should be optional" |
| 19:20.44 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:21.01 | Fisker | Kraps because i'm doing memory editing in other applications while running wow |
| 19:21.17 | Kraps | i dont know what that means |
| 19:21.30 | Fisker | figures |
| 19:22.23 | mckenziemc | use a VM? |
| 19:22.34 | Fisker | not sure if troll |
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| 19:22.52 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238109&postcount=6 |
| 19:22.57 | foxlit | sigg is such a spammer. |
| 19:25.02 | Lunessa | tekkub: You're an evil bastard for making me recall ICQ. |
| 19:27.07 | Kraps | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/05/26/chinese-prisoners-used-as-gold-farmers/ |
| 19:28.39 | tekkub | *adds loony to the list* |
| 19:29.30 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 19:30.38 | Corrodias | possibly even minutes old |
| 19:31.38 | Kraps | seconds |
| 19:31.55 | Fisker | anyone know what the feedback email that blizzard is throwing out these days are about? |
| 19:32.03 | Fisker | maybe even years Corrodias |
| 19:32.20 | Kraps | rephrase Fisker |
| 19:34.55 | mikma | feksir |
| 19:35.05 | mckenziemc | kimma |
| 19:35.30 | mikma | that's a finnish slangword |
| 19:36.03 | mckenziemc | O.o |
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| 19:52.14 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87WqBDgc7wY&NR=1 |
| 19:59.33 | Fisker | penis |
| 20:05.15 | Kraps | shirt-lifter |
| 20:05.17 | Kraps | hmm |
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| 20:30.48 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:42.57 | Kraps | your face Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 20:45.25 | Fisker | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:45.40 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:46.05 | Kraps | lol you slapped yourself |
| 20:47.37 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:54.28 | Maldivia | Uhhhh... Sting! |
| 20:54.50 | KarlKFI|work | so i've decided on the best way to stop gold farming: make monsters not drop money. |
| 20:55.34 | KarlKFI|work | have the currency managed by a company controlled central bank |
| 20:55.37 | wereHamster | butbut, how will I make gold? |
| 20:55.48 | KarlKFI|work | trade goods for gold |
| 20:55.53 | KarlKFI|work | or time for gold |
| 20:55.58 | wereHamster | how do I get trade goods? |
| 20:56.03 | KarlKFI|work | with time |
| 20:56.11 | KarlKFI|work | bartering |
| 20:56.24 | KarlKFI|work | in-game credit! |
| 20:56.33 | wereHamster | sure, but where do I get the trade goods from? Drops from monsters? |
| 20:56.38 | KarlKFI|work | sure |
| 20:56.46 | KarlKFI|work | same way you do now |
| 20:56.49 | wereHamster | so you replace gold farming with trade good farming |
| 20:56.51 | KarlKFI|work | various methods |
| 20:56.55 | KarlKFI|work | pretty much |
| 20:57.10 | KarlKFI|work | but selling trade goodes is onyl worth what people will buy them for |
| 20:57.12 | Cide | if you can make gold you can also farm gold |
| 20:57.28 | Cide | if you can make gold effectively you can farm gold effectively |
| 20:57.30 | KarlKFI|work | so the price of a good would go down when the supply went up |
| 20:57.48 | KarlKFI|work | so any farming could only match demand |
| 20:58.54 | wereHamster | the farming will always match demand |
| 20:59.06 | KarlKFI|work | right now the farming actually exceeds demand |
| 20:59.10 | KarlKFI|work | causing inflation |
| 20:59.10 | Arrowmaster | Cide: you still looking for somebody to room with? |
| 20:59.18 | wereHamster | I see |
| 20:59.30 | Cide | maybe |
| 20:59.38 | Cide | waiting on Shirik to get back to me |
| 20:59.43 | Cide | what do you have in mind? |
| 21:00.12 | foxlit | KarlKFI|work: excuse me, how is that better? :) |
| 21:00.44 | foxlit | If I'm reading you right, you're suggesting that mobs drop tokens that are exchangeable for gold by some centrally managed authority |
| 21:00.50 | Arrowmaster | ok im still a maybe too, im waiting on xin to get back to me on if he wants one of my spare tickets and if he wants to room together this year, but a very good IRL friend of mine wants my other ticket but possibly both |
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| 21:01.14 | KarlKFI|work | the company gets to play bank and can control the supply of currency to combat inflation and decrease the value of farming |
| 21:01.26 | Arrowmaster | Cide: if my IRL friend takes both my tickets he would be bringing his GF so i dont think he wants to share a room |
| 21:01.36 | Cide | lol |
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| 21:01.39 | Cide | are you sure? |
| 21:01.40 | foxlit | KarlKFI|work: couldn't they do all that by simply messing with the gold drop rates directly? |
| 21:02.00 | KarlKFI|work | that's what i'm suggesting |
| 21:02.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know its only a guess but ill try to see if he wants to share a room anyway |
| 21:02.15 | Cide | anyway, let me know how it pans out and we can figure something out |
| 21:02.18 | foxlit | That's kind of what they're doing, anyway? |
| 21:02.26 | Fisker | how to negatively advertise your game |
| 21:02.28 | foxlit | Drop/repair scaling and all that. |
| 21:02.30 | KarlKFI|work | they manage it, btu they're not changing the value |
| 21:02.31 | Fisker | release a demo on onlive |
| 21:02.31 | Cide | also |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | is there no way to trade valor points to justice points? |
| 21:02.41 | Cide | and if so, where? |
| 21:02.48 | Fisker | https://play.onlive.com/launch/trial/red-faction-armageddon |
| 21:03.15 | foxlit | So you'd want to basically make no gold drop right now. |
| 21:03.23 | Ackis | Walking through walmart carrying an energy drink, a pack of batteries and a box of condoms will get you strange looks. Especially when its the middle of the day and the store is full of old people. #LFMF |
| 21:03.26 | Arrowmaster | Cide: if xin takes one of my tickets i might try to pawn him off on you and room with my friend |
| 21:03.27 | KarlKFI|work | it would involve adding a commodity market with average pricing to replace using the auctionhouse for commodities |
| 21:03.35 | Cide | FINE. |
| 21:03.46 | KarlKFI|work | AND reducing or removing mob money drops |
| 21:04.05 | foxlit | See, I'm just not sure why I would want any of that. |
| 21:04.30 | foxlit | What are we combatting, exactly? |
| 21:04.39 | Lunessa | today is a "many whiskeys" needed kind of day. |
| 21:04.43 | KarlKFI|work | auction house makes it difficult for non-pro non-ah-addon-users to make money on commodities on the AH |
| 21:04.52 | foxlit | [Aside from the convenience of having a single currency pay for everything.] |
| 21:05.00 | Arrowmaster | Cide: have you actually reserved a room yet or are you still just looking around like i am? |
| 21:05.09 | Cide | just looking around |
| 21:05.11 | KarlKFI|work | so gold farmers game the AH to make more money than they should reasonably be able to make |
| 21:05.25 | Cide | I figure it's better to find someone to stay with and then see what kind of price level is appropriate |
| 21:05.39 | KarlKFI|work | if you lower the barrier to entry then it makes it more fair and more time based |
| 21:05.49 | KarlKFI|work | they could stillf arm with time spent |
| 21:05.59 | foxlit | "more fair and more time based" sounds like an oxymoron |
| 21:06.26 | Arrowmaster | Cide: yeah im doing the same, but also trying to get a close to the convention center as i can |
| 21:06.30 | foxlit | Seeing as to how the gold farmers basically have infinite time and I don't. |
| 21:06.33 | Cide | nod |
| 21:06.42 | KarlKFI|work | but they woudl have to farm "smart" and only farm whatever is o currently high value, which would be immediately obvious to anyone lookign at the prices on the commodity market |
| 21:07.23 | KarlKFI|work | people already farm "smart" by lookign at AH statistics, but it's not availible to the average player |
| 21:07.38 | foxlit | I have a much simpler solution: ban all programmatic access to the AH |
| 21:07.39 | Xyphoid | who is this average player |
| 21:07.40 | foxlit | bam. |
| 21:08.02 | KarlKFI|work | that's definitely one way to do it |
| 21:08.02 | Xyphoid | who doesn't want to use auctioneer or whatever, but also wants to farm for raw mats for their money instead of doing dailies |
| 21:08.18 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TTtPMy-7RY |
| 21:09.15 | KarlKFI|work | it's nto about what people want to do. it's about making it more accessible |
| 21:09.42 | foxlit | Making what more accessible? :) |
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| 21:09.59 | KarlKFI|work | if gold farming is just "look at market value, choose highest value, farm that" then it's no longer something that can earn dissperportionate return |
| 21:10.47 | Cide | isn't that what it is today more or less? |
| 21:10.50 | Xyphoid | i'm just not sure i buy your argument that raw mat farming 'earns disproportionate return' |
| 21:11.00 | KarlKFI|work | it reduces the chance you'll get ripped off purchasing, which decreases the rate that farmers can earn unfair money |
| 21:11.28 | Cide | I thought they just ended up with so much gold to sell by 1) hacking others' accounts and 2) having a shitton of time invested |
| 21:11.39 | KarlKFI|work | all of the above |
| 21:11.54 | KarlKFI|work | obviously this wont solve hacking |
| 21:11.55 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 21:12.00 | Fisker | wanna genoCide? |
| 21:12.04 | Cide | yep Fisker |
| 21:12.08 | Fisker | sweet |
| 21:12.44 | KarlKFI|work | time spent can only be combated effectively and fairly by reducing effectiveness the more you do something, which this does |
| 21:12.57 | Ackis | When making household repairs with Superglue, be very careful of where you put the object being repaired. Otherwise, be prepared to hear the story of "how [you] glued a flip flop to the cat" at every family gathering for the rest of your life. #LFMF |
| 21:13.26 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 21:13.31 | Fisker | Red Faction: Armageddon? |
| 21:13.46 | Xyphoid | my real problem with the wow economy is a lack of high end gold sinks |
| 21:14.08 | KarlKFI|work | the trick is that it handles it one one step removed fromt eh actual farming, at the selling phase. so you can still farm and stock pile and not be penalized for that |
| 21:14.39 | KarlKFI|work | it's not reducing how much mats you farm the longer you farm, it's just reducing how much they sell for the more you sell |
| 21:14.46 | Ackis | huh? |
| 21:15.31 | Adys | http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Shopt-Builtin.html#The-Shopt-Builtin |
| 21:15.46 | Fisker | photoshopt? |
| 21:15.59 | KarlKFI|work | it reduces AH exploitation without completely removing the fun people have trying to exploit the AH |
| 21:16.12 | Adys | cdspell |
| 21:16.12 | Adys | If set, minor errors in the spelling of a directory component in a cd command will be corrected. The errors checked for are transposed characters, a missing character, and a character too many. If a correction is found, the corrected path is printed, and the command proceeds. |
| 21:16.13 | Adys | oO |
| 21:16.18 | KarlKFI|work | some people play the game purely to "play the AH" |
| 21:16.38 | KarlKFI|work | and you dotn want to alienate those people |
| 21:16.52 | foxlit | Yes you do. |
| 21:16.56 | foxlit | s/you/I/ |
| 21:17.25 | KarlKFI|work | well this way they can still have fun doing it, while havign less effect on you |
| 21:17.33 | Xyphoid | do the people playing the AH actually affect you? |
| 21:17.50 | KarlKFI|work | all the time, they control price fluctuations |
| 21:18.16 | KarlKFI|work | not exclusively of course, demand and supply have a say |
| 21:18.24 | Xyphoid | for example, buying and reposting your stuff doesn't actually hurt you in any way. |
| 21:18.53 | KarlKFI|work | yes it does, because that onyl happens when they could sell it for more |
| 21:19.02 | KarlKFI|work | in which case you deserved more money but didn't know it |
| 21:19.23 | Xyphoid | they take a risk as part of that though |
| 21:19.29 | foxlit | I don't operate with concepts like "deserved" as part of the auction house. |
| 21:19.31 | Xyphoid | you get your money right away |
| 21:19.35 | KarlKFI|work | witha commodity market you remove some of the risk |
| 21:19.59 | Xyphoid | i just fail to see how average people putting stuff up at price X, and it selling fast, actually hurts them |
| 21:20.32 | KarlKFI|work | what about the next person who buys it at the higher price? |
| 21:20.47 | KarlKFI|work | who just got ripped off cause they couldnt snatch it at the lower price |
| 21:21.42 | Corrodias | they don't have to buy |
| 21:21.51 | Corrodias | yes, it's being a dick, but that's capitalism for ya |
| 21:21.57 | foxlit | Again, "ripped off" is kind of a meh concept. |
| 21:22.02 | KarlKFI|work | but they dont knwo that, because they have no idea what the historical pricing index is |
| 21:22.20 | Xyphoid | historical pricing is a really weak concept in wow |
| 21:22.37 | KarlKFI|work | if the game says "average price is X in the last month, current price is Y" |
| 21:22.39 | Corrodias | supply, demand, and price, simple market forces. they'll buy it if they're willing to spend that much. |
| 21:22.48 | Xyphoid | for anything that can be farmed right now, knowing what it cost two weeks ago is pretty useless |
| 21:23.07 | KarlKFI|work | commodity market also stabilizes markets |
| 21:23.15 | KarlKFI|work | stabilizes prices* |
| 21:23.56 | KarlKFI|work | so unless a patch changed something or there was a huge sudden supply change... the price woudl stay more level |
| 21:24.23 | KarlKFI|work | and couldn't be as easily artificially inflated |
| 21:24.59 | KarlKFI|work | because you couldn't jsut buy all the items and put them abck up higher, you'd have to do that fro much longer, like a week or more |
| 21:25.36 | KarlKFI|work | and because there woudl be a easy to see standard price it woudl be easy to graph over time |
| 21:26.41 | Xyphoid | why can't you buy up everything on a commidity market |
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| 21:31.28 | KarlKFI|work | you can, but it becomes immediately obvious that the price is non-standard |
| 21:33.56 | KarlKFI|work | depending on implementation you could also store requests to buy that would immediately purchase the next good sold given some price range |
| 21:34.26 | KarlKFI|work | so you coudl see what people are willign to pay vs what people are selling for |
| 21:36.06 | KarlKFI|work | anyway, just an idea. i havent designed a whole system and thought out all the bugs or anythign |
| 21:36.11 | KarlKFI|work | back to work |
| 21:37.00 | Xyphoid | i just wish there were more ways to drop 100k on desirable vendor stuff, so that money would leave the game |
| 21:44.15 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg5SwyTvAHw&feature=showob |
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| 21:52.01 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5806030/david-o-russell-drops-out-of-controversial-uncharted-movie |
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| 22:01.32 | Kraps | http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/26/into-the-pixel-2011-collects-incredible-works-of-gaming-art/ |
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| 22:08.27 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:08.52 | Kraps | steals Fiskers lunch money |
| 22:09.48 | mckenziemc | eats Kraps for lunch. |
| 22:10.26 | Fisker | eats mckenziemc for lunch hence getting both lunch and his lunchmoney back |
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| 22:13.23 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 22:13.53 | Kraps | so To Catch A Predator is not entrapment? |
| 22:18.21 | Torhal|work | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment |
| 22:18.40 | Fisker | it's friday friday |
| 22:18.43 | Fisker | gotta get down on friday |
| 22:19.03 | Kraps | hmm |
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| 22:19.42 | Fisker | yeah doesn't Chris Hansen just hide a camera crew at a victim and wait for the offender? |
| 22:20.14 | Kraps | "there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime." |
| 22:20.25 | Kraps | thats what he does |
| 22:21.21 | Kraps | these guys are already chatting up girls online, he just provides the target |
| 22:21.23 | Fisker | anyonw know what Blizzards recent feedback survey is about? |
| 22:21.58 | Fisker | anyone* |
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| 22:26.03 | kd3 | yay power blinking every few seconds for about a minute |
| 22:26.09 | kd3 | good time to power down and dust out the case |
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| 22:31.15 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
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| 22:34.37 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 22:35.58 | Arrowmaster | Adys: pong |
| 22:36.20 | Adys | Arrowmaster: is there a way to change the default location of ~/.bashrc? |
| 22:36.27 | Adys | i see that bash takes a rcfile argument |
| 22:36.51 | Adys | but I dont see where its invoked... changing it in ~/.profile only affects actual ttys |
| 22:37.56 | Arrowmaster | what are you changing in ~/.profile? |
| 22:38.25 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 22:38.58 | Kraps | hey its Fisker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRDtGnJHksY&feature=player_embedded |
| 22:39.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah bash is stupid, profile is only loaded on a login shell (which most term emulators dont trigger a login shell) |
| 22:39.46 | Adys | im just trying to get rid of home clutter |
| 22:40.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you can |
| 22:40.13 | Adys | well im getting some of it out |
| 22:40.20 | Adys | forcing a few apps to use ~/.config and ~/.cache |
| 22:40.42 | Arrowmaster | you cant with bash |
| 22:41.46 | Adys | if i know when bash is invoked, i can |
| 22:42.01 | Adys | in fact |
| 22:42.14 | Arrowmaster | you would have to recompile /bin/login i think |
| 22:42.20 | Adys | that, or |
| 22:42.36 | Adys | alias bash="bash --rcfile $HOME/.config/bash/bashrc" |
| 22:42.40 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:42.54 | Adys | why not? |
| 22:43.01 | Arrowmaster | becaue it would never get executed |
| 22:43.16 | Adys | depends, i think it reads /etc/bash.bashrc before |
| 22:44.02 | Arrowmaster | nothing would ever execute bash from within bash |
| 22:44.15 | Adys | ah shit you're right |
| 22:46.39 | Adys | i could always make a sh script that invokes real_bash --rcfile=~/.config/... :P |
| 22:46.54 | Dewin | Can't the rcfile be set by an environment variable? |
| 22:47.02 | Adys | nope, only the history file |
| 22:47.25 | Adys | which makes sense sinve env vars dont make sense if bash isnt running |
| 22:47.26 | Adys | i guess |
| 22:48.08 | Arrowmaster | actually env vars can be set before bash |
| 22:48.29 | Adys | i could set $SHELL ? |
| 22:48.45 | Arrowmaster | you wouldnt want to |
| 22:48.57 | Arrowmaster | because they would be set globally for every user |
| 22:49.08 | Arrowmaster | could break lots of shit |
| 22:49.40 | Adys | $SHELL="/bin/bash --rcfile=$HOME/.config/bash/bashrc" wouldn't break much would it? |
| 22:49.45 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:49.58 | Adys | all the rcfile really does is prettify the shell, its not critical if its not found |
| 22:50.02 | Arrowmaster | you cant set $SHELL to anything more than a file afaik |
| 22:50.12 | Arrowmaster | actually it is critical |
| 22:50.38 | Arrowmaster | because by setting that option you make it stop processing /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:51.01 | Adys | yeah was just reading the same |
| 22:51.15 | Arrowmaster | seriously just stop trying to do this or switch to a different shell like zsh which can do it |
| 22:51.58 | Arrowmaster | or recompile bash to look where you want it |
| 22:52.10 | Adys | i tried that option three hours ago |
| 22:52.14 | Adys | i still havent found the sources |
| 22:52.21 | Adys | just some ftp |
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| 22:55.14 | Adys | im sorta tempted by the challenge. |
| 22:55.26 | Adys | but zsh is tempting |
| 22:55.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: does zsh replace bash or just live aside? |
| 22:57.30 | Fisker | i cannot sleep Kraps |
| 22:57.36 | Fisker | what would a free Fisker do? |
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| 22:58.55 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ zsh --version zsh 4.3.11 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) |
| 22:58.56 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ zsh-beta --version zsh 4.3.10-dev-2-cvs (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) |
| 22:58.57 | Adys | thats deep. |
| 22:59.45 | Dewin | Maybe there is no current beta build and 4.3.10 is the beta branch for 4.3.11? |
| 23:00.27 | Arrowmaster | theres no current beta build |
| 23:00.37 | mckenziemc | a free Fisker would buy premium |
| 23:00.52 | Fisker | can i sleep with a premium subscription? |
| 23:00.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: In my experience bash's programmable completion performs a bit better than zsh's, at least for some cases (completing debian packages for aptitude for example). |
| 23:00.58 | Adys | is this true? |
| 23:01.06 | Adys | for the deb packages bit |
| 23:01.14 | Fisker | i just got an idea for a new premium feature mckenziemc |
| 23:01.32 | Fisker | want addons? |
| 23:01.38 | Fisker | 2,99 a month |
| 23:01.45 | Arrowmaster | Adys: ive not touched bash since bash3 which had shitty completion |
| 23:02.12 | Arrowmaster | but you can program zsh to complete any way you want |
| 23:02.21 | Adys | Arrowmaster: apt-g<t> pu<t> l<t> |
| 23:02.30 | Adys | shows a list of packages beginning with l for apt-get purge |
| 23:03.00 | Fisker | yeah you can tab auto-complete packages |
| 23:03.04 | Fisker | atleast on ubuntu server |
| 23:03.08 | Adys | yeah but that runs bash |
| 23:03.17 | Arrowmaster | zsh is the same |
| 23:03.22 | Adys | k then im sold |
| 23:03.28 | Adys | [23:55:33] <Adys> Arrowmaster: does zsh replace bash or just live aside? |
| 23:03.37 | Fisker | are you sold on onlive Adys ? |
| 23:03.40 | Arrowmaster | aside |
| 23:03.40 | Fisker | it's pretty awesome |
| 23:03.47 | Adys | Arrowmaster: so how do I switch the shell? |
| 23:03.50 | Fisker | crappy FPS, crappy graphics and poor input lag |
| 23:03.55 | Arrowmaster | Adys: chsh |
| 23:04.03 | Dagmar | Slap a new one into /etc/passwd and relog |
| 23:04.13 | Arrowmaster | which is what chsh does |
| 23:04.26 | Arrowmaster | well chsh then relog |
| 23:04.29 | Dagmar | For *cowards*. :) |
| 23:04.53 | Adys | to the point |
| 23:04.53 | Arrowmaster | you dont need write permission to /etc/passwd to run chsh |
| 23:04.54 | Adys | how do I change ~/.zshrc :P |
| 23:04.58 | Adys | path* |
| 23:05.03 | Dagmar | pico. ;) |
| 23:05.20 | Adys | i meant how do I change the path, since its pretty much the reason i switched |
| 23:05.21 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ln06429pfw&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:05.26 | Dagmar | No wait, use emacs. :) |
| 23:05.30 | Arrowmaster | Adys: set ZDOTDIR in either ~/.zshenv or set it in /etc/zsh/zshenv |
| 23:05.49 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 23:05.55 | Kraps | hey |
| 23:06.18 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what's ~/.zshenv? Im kinda doing this to get rid of home clutter :P |
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| 23:07.23 | Arrowmaster | Adys: set it in /etc/zsh/zshenv then |
| 23:07.30 | Adys | ya ok |
| 23:07.39 | Arrowmaster | or is it /etc/zshenv |
| 23:07.42 | Dagmar | That's the user context runtime commands for zsh |
| 23:07.45 | Arrowmaster | different distros patch it to different patchs |
| 23:08.03 | Arrowmaster | paths |
| 23:08.10 | Dagmar | Most try to set it in /etc/profile if/when they can since the default shell is usually bash |
| 23:09.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what about .zsh_history? |
| 23:09.59 | Adys | Showing results for move .bash history. Search instead for move .zsh_history |
| 23:10.18 | Adys | i smell favouritism |
| 23:10.37 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 23:10.49 | Fisker | i forgot what i was doing |
| 23:10.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I want to move it to ~/.cache/zsh/history |
| 23:11.08 | Arrowmaster | set HISTFILE |
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| 23:11.22 | Arrowmaster | Adys: man zshall |
| 23:11.29 | Adys | i have set HISTFILE |
| 23:11.34 | Adys | its still using ~/.zsh_history |
| 23:11.42 | Arrowmaster | exit and relog |
| 23:11.47 | Dagmar | It basically needs to be set when the shell is invoked |
| 23:11.51 | Arrowmaster | and where did you set histfile? |
| 23:11.52 | Adys | yeah but it was set before |
| 23:11.58 | Adys | .. in bashrc |
| 23:11.59 | Adys | im an idiot |
| 23:12.02 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 23:12.03 | Dagmar | It was set to the other value then |
| 23:12.21 | Adys | does it automatically create the proper dirs? |
| 23:12.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 23:12.42 | Adys | k well lets find out |
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| 23:16.55 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:18.33 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2009/msg00681.html this shit should be set by default |
| 23:19.19 | Arrowmaster | there are multiple ways of jumping words |
| 23:19.45 | Arrowmaster | and zsh is not a bash replacement |
| 23:19.54 | Adys | its not just bash |
| 23:19.59 | Adys | every shell i know of binds it |
| 23:20.14 | Arrowmaster | what other shells are there? |
| 23:20.23 | Dagmar | They are legion |
| 23:20.24 | Adys | python, lua, postgres? |
| 23:20.27 | Adys | i mean app shells |
| 23:20.30 | Arrowmaster | those arent shells |
| 23:20.31 | Dagmar | Make up some letters and follow them up with 'sh' |
| 23:20.42 | Corrodias | flush |
| 23:20.48 | Dagmar | ksh, csh, ash, etc |
| 23:21.01 | Adys | lostmytoothbrush? |
| 23:21.09 | Arrowmaster | bindkey "\e[1;5D" emacs-backward-word |
| 23:21.09 | Arrowmaster | bindkey "\e[1;5C" emacs-forward-word |
| 23:21.14 | Arrowmaster | there use that |
| 23:22.01 | Adys | needs to be set at runtime i take it? |
| 23:22.08 | Arrowmaster | put it in zshrc |
| 23:23.27 | Corrodias | that looks like zooshirc |
| 23:26.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: last thing, where am i supposed to change PS1? or whatever default prompt |
| 23:26.09 | Adys | changing it in zshrc doesnt do anything |
| 23:26.25 | Arrowmaster | in zshrc |
| 23:26.37 | Arrowmaster | you are exiting the shell after changing zshrc right? |
| 23:26.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:26.57 | Adys | other changes to zshrc work, but setting PS1 doesnt alter it |
| 23:27.11 | Arrowmaster | works for me |
| 23:28.07 | Adys | its getting overwritten somewhere |
| 23:28.28 | Adys | adys@azura ~ % echo $PS1 |
| 23:28.29 | Adys | %K{blue}%n@%m%k %B%F{cyan}%(4~|...|)%3~%F{white} %# %b%f%k |
| 23:28.35 | Adys | PS1="aaaaaaa" |
| 23:29.03 | Arrowmaster | thats the default? |
| 23:29.18 | Adys | yeah, but tried changing just details, keeping it valid to no end |
| 23:29.47 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 23:30.23 | Arrowmaster | comment out the stuff about promptinit and prompt |
| 23:30.44 | Arrowmaster | should be 3 lines im guessing with the middle one being promptinit |
| 23:31.00 | Adys | i see it, what's that stuff? |
| 23:31.01 | Arrowmaster | and the last one being prompt foo |
| 23:31.12 | Arrowmaster | predefined prompts |
| 23:32.33 | Adys | guess i can get rid of ~/.profile too now |
| 23:37.50 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5806019/this-is-what-alice-looks-like-before-she-tears-you-a-new-asshole/gallery/ |
| 23:38.02 | Arrowmaster | beautiful, and so happy i have it preordered |
| 23:45.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: is there a way to bind shift-tab to previous completion? |
| 23:45.55 | Adys | i can only see complete-word... theres reverse-menu-complete but hm |
| 23:46.12 | Adys | actually i think thats the one |
| 23:46.58 | Arrowmaster | expand-or-complete is the default for tab |
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| 23:47.39 | Adys | i dont see a reverse of it |
| 23:48.14 | Arrowmaster | reverse-menu-complete is probably what you want |
| 23:48.33 | Arrowmaster | you probably want to use menu complete anyway |
| 23:48.51 | Adys | yea |
| 23:48.59 | Adys | i cant find how to bind to shift-tab tho >< |
| 23:49.25 | Arrowmaster | \e[Z |
| 23:49.27 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 23:49.35 | Adys | looks easy |
| 23:49.39 | Adys | (get it? eZ?) |
| 23:49.53 | Adys | also i think \e is ctrl, not shift |
| 23:50.06 | Arrowmaster | \e is escape |
| 23:50.32 | Adys | oh right |
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| 23:51.09 | Adys | well that didnt work anyway |
| 23:51.27 | tem | Bibi, ping? |
| 23:51.28 | Adys | i think it's konsole crapping up |
| 23:51.43 | Arrowmaster | konsole might be different, i got that from gnome-terminal |
| 23:51.53 | Arrowmaster | but just do ctrl-v then shift-tab |
| 23:52.07 | Adys | escape codes should be the same, but konsole may be eating the shift-tab |
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| 23:54.07 | Adys | come on konsole =\ |
| 23:54.23 | Adys | i thought i saw an option to prevent that ages ago but it might have been in gnome-terminal too |
| 23:56.34 | Adys | haha |
| 23:56.38 | Adys | removing the new tab button fixed it |
