| 00:04.10 | Lunessa | Also on today's list of things I hate, people who scream at me when I ask trouble-shooting questions. |
| 00:07.37 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 00:07.52 | Fisker | i totally murdered a "It's just a single feature, should be easy, right?" |
| 00:07.53 | Fisker | -guy |
| 00:11.14 | cogwheel | Lunessa: have you tried turning off and back on again? |
| 00:11.40 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I'm about to kill this guy. |
| 00:12.03 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 00:12.09 | Fisker | you should put me on the whitelist |
| 00:12.19 | cogwheel | i was going to ask if you jelly |
| 00:12.19 | Cairenn | plops herself down in Lunessa's lap, thus preventing him from being able to go kill the guy and thus saving him from going to prison for murder |
| 00:12.22 | Fisker | because doing one thing can't be hard right? |
| 00:12.26 | cogwheel | but you saved me the effort |
| 00:12.43 | Fisker | but you should do it |
| 00:12.47 | Fisker | since its not hard |
| 00:12.51 | cogwheel | <conversation switch>and thus dashing the hopes of the other single men in the channel |
| 00:12.51 | Fisker | it's |
| 00:12.56 | Fisker | no cogwheel ! |
| 00:13.01 | cogwheel | (and maybe not single?) |
| 00:13.08 | cogwheel | (and maybe wimmin too) |
| 00:13.15 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 00:13.22 | Cairenn | there's lots of me to go around ;) |
| 00:13.23 | Lunessa | :D |
| 00:14.19 | alestane | trails along behind clutching Cairenn's ankle. |
| 00:14.24 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 00:18.37 | Kraps | http://lo-ping.org/2011/05/08/anons-new-press-release-to-sony/ |
| 00:18.55 | Lunessa | this guy is killing me. |
| 00:19.10 | Arrowmaster | we are wondering how long until campus IT comes down to our lab to tell us to stop nmaping the network |
| 00:25.25 | alestane | Just wants you to shut up and tell him what he has to do? |
| 00:26.04 | Lunessa | he can't type ! without making a production out ofit. |
| 00:26.20 | cogwheel | what dept? |
| 00:26.45 | Lunessa | Science and Computer Engineering |
| 00:26.50 | cogwheel | -_- |
| 00:28.32 | Lunessa | This guy must be like 80. |
| 00:29.01 | Lunessa | It took 20 tries (with me unlocking his account) for him to correctly type his password. |
| 00:29.10 | Lunessa | Because he couldn't type an exclamation point. |
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| 00:50.45 | Lunessa | And another brilliant moron who can't figure out how to use FTP... /killmenow |
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| 00:54.05 | Lunessa | How the hell do you take years of tech classes and not know how to find a file on your computer? Seriously? |
| 00:54.06 | Torhal | Cairenn: Since I freaked everyone in the office out today by walking in clean-shaven... |
| 00:54.24 | Cairenn | ? |
| 00:54.48 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9007879/Photo%20on%202011-05-09%20at%2019.45.jpg |
| 00:54.59 | Cairenn | so why'd you shave? |
| 00:55.12 | Torhal | Every year or two, just to remind myself what I look like underneath :) |
| 00:55.47 | Torhal | Some were sad because they can no longer call me Jesus and mean it. |
| 00:55.50 | Torhal | lol |
| 00:56.43 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:00.14 | Lunessa | lol |
| 01:00.50 | Wobin | Torhal: woah |
| 01:00.59 | Torhal | lol |
| 01:01.00 | Wobin | you need a beardhat =) |
| 01:01.18 | Torhal | Wobin: For reference: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=109032 |
| 01:02.08 | Lunessa | Torhal: Last time I shaved off my goatee to remind myself what I looked like, I remembered why I grow the frikkin thing in the first place. |
| 01:02.18 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 01:02.18 | Wobin | http://www.beardhead.com/ |
| 01:02.42 | Torhal | Wobin: That simply is not right. |
| 01:03.13 | Lunessa | ... I am appaled. |
| 01:03.27 | Lunessa | appalled even |
| 01:04.14 | Wobin | http://www.hatsinbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/beard-hat-for-kids.jpg |
| 01:06.23 | Lunessa | My friend's movie trailer is out today. http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/finaldestination5/ |
| 01:06.27 | Torhal | Wobin: Do you usually have people tell you that you're about to be hurt? |
| 01:06.30 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:06.31 | Cairenn | Anyone who is appalled by that has obviously never lived where it's cold. Lots of the guys I know have facial hair because it helps keep them warmer in the winter |
| 01:06.45 | kd3 | has facial hair because he's lazy |
| 01:07.03 | Torhal | kd3: Same reason I shave once every year or two. It lasts maybe a month. |
| 01:09.29 | alestane | I keep it mostly so as to not look like my school pictures. |
| 01:09.55 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 01:10.51 | Torhal | alestane: Honestly, I can't tell much difference from my school pictures either...save for the fact that you can tell I've had very little sleep due to my eyes. |
| 01:10.51 | Lunessa | I'm not a horror fan, but since my friend was the screen writer for Final Destination 5, I'm going to have to go see it. |
| 01:10.53 | Wobin | I have some to make me look older |
| 01:10.54 | Torhal | ...and that my hair is much longer... |
| 01:11.02 | Wobin | cause I'm going to look like this til I'm 50 |
| 01:11.37 | Wobin | Lunessa: the fact they made Final Destination 2 is bad enough =( |
| 01:11.58 | Wobin | If 'cheating death' is such a difficult thing |
| 01:12.04 | Wobin | why have they made 5 movies of it? |
| 01:12.07 | Lunessa | Wobin: Hey, I haven't seen any of them. But, I gotta support my buddy. :) |
| 01:12.27 | Wobin | Lunessa: buy the ticket and give it to someone else =) |
| 01:12.44 | Lunessa | Heh. Not a bad idea. |
| 01:14.39 | A-KO | sweet Lunessa totally gotta go see that :P |
| 01:14.51 | A-KO | Iâve seen âem all |
| 01:14.56 | A-KO | âshot in 3Dâ makes it more interesting |
| 01:14.59 | A-KO | unlike these movies not shot in 3D |
| 01:15.50 | Lunessa | It's out in August. And Eric Heisserer wrote the screenplay - He's an old friend of mine from back in the day. |
| 01:15.52 | amro | beats shot in the face |
| 01:19.48 | Arrowmaster | am i paranoid if ive noticed theres been a white van parked down the street in the same spot for over a month but its had at least 3 different logos on it? |
| 01:20.47 | Lunessa | You're not paranoid if they're really watching you. |
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| 01:22.09 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/xkyQV.jpg |
| 01:22.24 | Cairenn | Wobin: hehehe, cute |
| 01:23.19 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Don't worry - they're just using microwaves to discern your computer-savviness. |
| 01:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: interesting series of bugs that you posted |
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| 01:34.46 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, thanks :) I did a good writeup of 'em, glad people are enjoying it |
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| 01:47.19 | Kraps | Lunessa: i wan gonna tell you something |
| 01:47.20 | Shirik | lmao |
| 01:47.27 | Shirik | kd3, apparently wikia is sending me "qq come back" emails? |
| 01:47.28 | Kraps | was* |
| 01:47.30 | Lunessa | You just did? |
| 01:47.54 | Kraps | there was one other thing |
| 01:48.40 | Lunessa | Well, if it's 'cause I used profanity in the Guild MotD, get used to it. :) |
| 01:49.02 | Lunessa | is such an asshole. |
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| 01:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: "So I called my boss in - turned out it was his code" lol |
| 01:56.54 | alestane | http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6434700/honest-movie-titles-oscars-2011 reasonably on target. |
| 01:56.58 | Lunessa | lulz ? http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/if-this-summers-movie-posters-told-the-truth.php |
| 01:57.13 | kd3 | they are!? ahahhaha |
| 01:57.19 | kd3 | that's just rich |
| 01:59.01 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: does the profanity filter work against that? |
| 01:59.30 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: It probably does. |
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| 02:13.29 | stew-a | does anybody know of a buffmod that works like CT Buffmod used to, so it expands as neccesary, but also so the buffs are labelled, and show duration |
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| 02:29.21 | Antiarc | I'm going crazy. What's the easiest way to dump a table to the chatframe from code? |
| 02:30.12 | kd3 | whatever /dump runs? |
| 02:30.14 | Lunessa | print? |
| 02:30.24 | Antiarc | print doesn't print the table contents |
| 02:30.33 | Antiarc | And /dump is DevTools_Dump() but I think that's LOD so blah |
| 02:30.47 | ZorbaTHut | for k, v in pairs(mytable) do print(k, v) end |
| 02:30.52 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 02:30.56 | Antiarc | That assumes one level :P |
| 02:31.06 | Antiarc | I just know I've used a pretty printer before. Maybe it was AceConsole-2.0 |
| 02:31.33 | Antiarc | I keep trying console.log() and then smacking myself :V |
| 02:32.38 | Thunder_Child | dont smack yourself Antiarc |
| 02:32.40 | Thunder_Child | let us do it |
| 02:33.07 | Cide | stew-a: how about CT_BuffMod? |
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| 02:44.37 | Torhal | E.T. phone home! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMW3W-G43gI |
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| 03:03.22 | Lunessa | It's strange to see text I've written show up on the university site by the mysterious process of "someone else did it." |
| 03:03.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:05.41 | Shefki | Computerpunk: You have multiple different ways of reaching me. Send me a message, ask me what you want to ask me and I'll respond. |
| 03:08.30 | Kraps | Lunessa: Spike is such a softie |
| 03:08.53 | Lunessa | Which Spike? |
| 03:09.07 | Arrowmaster | buffy spike |
| 03:09.15 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:09.47 | Lunessa | Um, I never watched the TV show, just the original movie. |
| 03:09.59 | Kraps | what really? |
| 03:10.54 | Cairenn | has never watched either |
| 03:11.04 | Kraps | Cairenn: you should |
| 03:11.10 | Cairenn | meh |
| 03:11.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, the TV show ran during a time when I didn't watch TV at all. |
| 03:11.39 | Arrowmaster | i didnt watch it when it was on tv either |
| 03:12.14 | Kraps | i'm watching it now on hulu |
| 03:13.43 | Cairenn | I've never really gotten into the whole vampire craze |
| 03:13.49 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 03:14.50 | Kraps | oh i'm not a fan of any craze, its just good |
| 03:14.51 | Lunessa | Vampires I get. "Good guy" vampires? Meh, gets old fast. |
| 03:14.58 | Iriel | I've never really gotten the vampire craze, it seems wierd that all of a sudden everyone is vampire crazy |
| 03:15.19 | Kraps | blame twilight i think |
| 03:16.06 | Torhal | I blame Bunnicula, Kraps. |
| 03:16.26 | Cairenn | now that was good ^^ |
| 03:16.30 | Jamash | people have been fascinated by the undead since forever |
| 03:17.03 | Jamash | I don't think the current crop of vampire nonsense is that much different from the vampire nonsense of times past |
| 03:17.09 | Lunessa | Vampire "crazy" happens in about 10 year cycles as the next wave of adolescents gets into their "dark" phase and their 20-something's counterparts discover the joys of deviant sex. |
| 03:17.17 | Cairenn | yep |
| 03:17.34 | Torhal | Jamash: Sure it is. This time, it's all about teenagers having way-more-than-pedophile sex. With dead folk. |
| 03:19.25 | Xyphoid | this time it's twilight, last time it was alt.gothic, not so different really |
| 03:19.44 | Lunessa | I mean, when I was in my 20s there was a huge surge in Vampire stuff. Books, RPGs, the original Buffy Movie, a Dracula remake, etc. |
| 03:20.02 | Xyphoid | Interview with the Vampire |
| 03:20.16 | Lunessa | That was in my middle-teens. |
| 03:20.17 | Xyphoid | The Crow |
| 03:20.40 | Kraps | so far theres been only one good vampire on buffy, and thats because of a curse |
| 03:20.42 | Cairenn | oh yeah, it's nothing new, I've just /never/ gotten into it |
| 03:20.53 | Xyphoid | then consider that Anne Rice started writing vampire books in *1973* |
| 03:21.15 | Lunessa | The Anne Rice novels hit the shelve sin paperback in the mid-80s - and they were crazy popular in my college crowd. |
| 03:22.23 | Lunessa | Then in the early-mid-90s the Vampire: the Masquerade games and the Buffy Movie. - roughly 10 years apart, give ot take a little. |
| 03:23.48 | Xyphoid | so, if you're planning on writing a vampire novel, probably about 2015 will be best |
| 03:24.44 | Torhal | Lunessa: Erm, hold on...you'd always given me the impression that you were older than I. Now I know different. |
| 03:24.59 | Lunessa | Torhal: I'm 41. |
| 03:25.14 | Lunessa | It's not the years, it's the milage. |
| 03:25.44 | Torhal | Lunessa: Ok, so you are actually mildly older. I must have misread the whole "Interview With the Vampire" and "That was in my middle-teens." dialogue. |
| 03:26.08 | Lunessa | I read "Interview with the Vampire" at 15. |
| 03:26.22 | Lunessa | Which coincidentally was my first year at college. |
| 03:26.27 | Torhal | Ah - I grokked the movie out of that whole thing |
| 03:26.54 | Lunessa | The movie came out much later. |
| 03:27.01 | Torhal | Aye, '95 |
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| 03:27.28 | Lunessa | And you get a pass totally on thinking I'm old because you grok in fullness. |
| 03:27.39 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:27.51 | Torhal | You're only 6 years older. My GF is nearly 9 older. |
| 03:28.25 | Torhal | I do need to marry her sometime, methinks - our son is nearly twelve. |
| 03:28.29 | Lunessa | Though so many days I look into the mirror and I wonder who that old guy is. I mean, my mental image of me is still the one from when I was 18. |
| 03:29.39 | Torhal | So far, I've lucked out. I can barely tell the difference from how I look now (as in, shaven) and when I was 15 or so...and most folks guess me at ten years younger than I actually am. |
| 03:32.20 | Torhal | And I'm not sure if I should be proud or ashamed that I can easily interact with people in their early twenties...I'm guessing, though, that it says something about their character since I've encountered quite a few that made me wonder how I survived. |
| 03:32.34 | Lunessa | Yeah, I look younger, so long as I remember to shave my noggin. |
| 03:33.15 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm done working for the night. I'm out. See you all tomorrow. |
| 03:33.19 | Torhal | Ah - so far, the only gray I have other than a single strand that I've ever noticed is in my beard. |
| 03:33.22 | Torhal | Lunessa: G'night |
| 03:33.37 | Torhal | Beard's about quarter-gone in that respect. |
| 03:35.30 | Arrowmaster | i have long hair and a beard, i think people have always though im older than i am |
| 03:36.42 | Arrowmaster | ah lunessa left already |
| 03:37.34 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Strangely, in recent years people started carding me even when I hadn't shaved |
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| 03:38.06 | Torhal | A guy at work thought I was 25 even when I had my beard, and when he saw me today he said "You still look like you're only 25." |
| 03:39.16 | Torhal | Though, having said that: Once my age does catch up with me, it shall do so with vengeance if the rest of my family is any indication. |
| 03:39.16 | Arrowmaster | ill be 25 soon, makes me feel old already |
| 03:39.58 | Thunder_Child | i pass for young with a beard, i can pull off 18 or so without one |
| 03:40.54 | Kraps | i'll my 25 soon too |
| 03:40.58 | Kraps | be* |
| 03:45.28 | Cairenn | you guys are making me feel old :p |
| 03:47.00 | Jamash | I'm 29 |
| 03:48.04 | Thunder_Child | I'm with Jamash, and i feel old as well |
| 03:48.37 | Jamash | I still have a copy of warcraft 1 |
| 03:51.27 | Xyphoid | i think the oldest new-release game i own is ultima 7 |
| 03:51.35 | Xyphoid | that blew my mind |
| 03:51.55 | Thunder_Child | i have X-Com Apoc on 3.5's floating around somewhere |
| 03:58.15 | Xyphoid | did that have a cool box with a bit that rotated around a cardboard collar |
| 03:58.25 | Xyphoid | there was some game from that era that i was in awe of just because the box was so cool |
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| 04:03.54 | Torhal | Cairenn: You just turned 29, right? |
| 04:04.30 | Cairenn | Torhal: flattery will get you everywhere ;) |
| 04:06.16 | Torhal | Cairenn: Bah. I'm older than you, then! |
| 04:06.17 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:06.58 | Torhal | Plus, you're a redhead. That pretty much clobbers all else. |
| 04:08.35 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 04:09.27 | Cairenn | Torhal: ;) |
| 04:12.01 | Cide | Shirik: pong |
| 04:12.10 | Shirik | Do you 2-heal cho'gall? |
| 04:12.19 | Cide | we have twice |
| 04:12.24 | Cide | it's not as easy though |
| 04:12.25 | Shirik | we just tried it as our last attempt |
| 04:12.28 | Shirik | best attempt yet |
| 04:12.53 | Cide | we healed a dk who main tanked it in greens two days after he hit 85 |
| 04:12.56 | Cide | doesn't mean it's smart! |
| 04:13.19 | Kraps | http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/news/in-lieu-of-any-real-news-reuters-compare-bin-laden-to-harry-potter.php |
| 04:13.59 | Cide | it's doable but requires less errors from the raid |
| 04:14.56 | Cide | you may live through p1 better but any shadow crashes or such you get in phase one will multiply in importance |
| 04:14.59 | Cide | for phase 2 |
| 04:15.15 | Cide | so if you dodge shadow crashes flawlessly and don't get hit by slimes you can probably two heal it |
| 04:15.25 | Cide | but phase 2 is pretty tough on healing with 2 healers |
| 04:28.27 | Corrodias2 | Kraps: that was a fun read |
| 04:29.13 | Adys | respected international news agency Reuters |
| 04:29.44 | Adys | "In lieu of any real news, theshiznit calls Reuters a respected news agency" |
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| 04:35.08 | Thunder_Child | i wish LA would get it's shit together, 3 days ago it was 85, now it's raining. |
| 04:35.48 | Adys | it can rain just fine at 85, and stop using farenheit |
| 04:36.01 | Thunder_Child | not in LA it can not. and no |
| 04:36.35 | Adys | why not in la? |
| 04:36.52 | Adys | ive had rains at 33-34c in athens and it's quite shit |
| 04:38.20 | Thunder_Child | LA doesnt work like that |
| 04:38.33 | Thunder_Child | no monsoon here |
| 04:40.15 | Adys | um |
| 04:40.32 | Adys | no monsoon in athens either |
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| 04:46.42 | Kraps | http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-geoception.jpg |
| 04:50.56 | Cairenn | Kraps: ah, Taal Island, famous place, have had some nasty eruptions there |
| 04:57.04 | Shirik | MySQL slave on cassia is OK: Uptime: 5810110 Threads: 25 Questions: 57589856540 Slow queries: 849777 Opens: 71086124 Flush tables: 7 Open tables: 16384 Queries per second avg: 9912.7 Slave IO: Yes Slave SQL: Yes Seconds Behind Master: 1198 |
| 04:57.10 | Shirik | Does anyone know what "questions" are? |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik | I tried googling it but um.... well, it turns up just a bunch of people that don't know wtf they're doing |
| 05:00.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysqldoc-guide/en/fg-elements-qandaset.html ? |
| 05:00.26 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 05:00.30 | Thunder_Child | thats not what i want |
| 05:01.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: found it http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/server-status-variables.html#statvar_Questions |
| 05:01.39 | Thunder_Child | you need better googlefu sir |
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| 05:09.58 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Arizona Bay. |
| 05:11.51 | Kraps | Currently, the game has 11.4 million subscribers worldwide, down on the 12 million figure quoted in October 2010. |
| 05:12.33 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: huh? |
| 05:12.58 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: [23:35:08] <Thunder_Child> i wish LA would get it's shit together, 3 days ago it was 85, now it's raining. |
| 05:13.32 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: yes, but thats usually a warm rain |
| 05:13.35 | Torhal | My response is - "Arizona Bay" |
| 05:13.37 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:14.33 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Bay |
| 05:20.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY just to recap |
| 05:22.47 | Shirik | ok, I made WAY too much food, but it's probably the healthiest thing I ever made |
| 05:22.49 | Shirik | and thanks Thunder_Child |
| 05:24.12 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
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| 05:37.35 | Shirik | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/samoa-skips-from-last-to-first-country-to-see-the-sun-2281586.html |
| 05:37.51 | Shirik | I wasn't aware there was any real marketing in the "last place to see the sun set!" |
| 05:38.13 | Shirik | I mean, I'm pretty sure that if the end of the world comes, the chances are equally likely that won't be the last place to see the sun set |
| 05:50.50 | Shirik | bootleg version of Thor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KbJoxzcJgU&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:50.56 | Shirik | quickly get it before they take it down |
| 05:52.51 | Arrowmaster | already watched a bootleg of it last week |
| 05:53.30 | Shirik | no watch my video :( |
| 05:55.04 | Cairenn | chuckles at Shirik |
| 05:55.24 | Shirik | I've never been high but I imagine that must be what it's like |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | microsoft is buying skype? |
| 05:58.13 | kd3 | yeah, wtf |
| 05:58.54 | Arrowmaster | i thought facebook was |
| 05:59.57 | Shirik | it's the "largest deal in the history of Microsoft" |
| 06:00.10 | Arrowmaster | well that bootleg was about as good as the one i saw last week |
| 06:00.19 | kd3 | so did a lot of people, up until a few hours ago |
| 06:02.22 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGshIT7mzW4&feature=player_embedded |
| 06:03.24 | Arrowmaster | who wants to bet that skype accounts will be forcibly merged with windows live accounts |
| 06:03.27 | Shirik | wow kraps |
| 06:04.26 | Kraps | can i put a finger on Uranus Shirik? |
| 06:04.32 | Shirik | no |
| 06:04.40 | Kraps | awww |
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| 06:07.57 | Kraps | night |
| 06:09.34 | mitchnull | morgen |
| 06:10.40 | Shirik | guten |
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| 06:14.29 | Shirik | I just had this brilliant idea |
| 06:14.48 | Shirik | Who wants to work on the most challenging idea of their lives |
| 06:15.09 | Shirik | Create a CORBA implementation in the form of a WoW addon library |
| 06:15.16 | Shirik | or even just DDS |
| 06:15.27 | Shirik | omg that would be epic |
| 06:15.43 | mitchnull | write a servlet engine in c++ with lua based template engine? |
| 06:16.16 | Shirik | how do you intend to get C++ in wow? |
| 06:16.33 | mitchnull | corba sucks |
| 06:16.44 | Shirik | no, misunderstood CORBA sucks |
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| 06:17.51 | Shirik | Part of the problem is half the world still doesn't know how to do object oriented programming, despite the fact that most of the world actually does it |
| 06:18.12 | Iriel | Corba'a s little overengineered |
| 06:18.32 | Shirik | I like DDS a lot better |
| 06:18.36 | Arrowmaster | the other part of the problem is that everybody thinks object oriented programming is the one and only way to do things |
| 06:18.47 | Shirik | despite its commonalities with CORBA, it only shares the good parts |
| 06:18.50 | Iriel | At least, that was my opinion 15 years ago when I had to care 8-) |
| 06:19.24 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with other ways of doing things, Arrowmaster, I DO have a problem with all the people that think they know what OOP is but actually don't have a clue |
| 06:19.55 | Shirik | Every day I move closer to thinking like this: http://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/singleton-considered-stupid |
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| 06:28.26 | Iriel | Shirik: I still use singletons sometimes, does that make me evil? |
| 06:28.52 | Shirik | I have resolved to the fact that in some places they are the lesser of evils |
| 06:29.08 | Shirik | The more important takeaway from that blog post is really "all these people that think they know what they're doing, but don't" |
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| 06:29.27 | Shirik | Because he's right, really. People say "I KNOW WHAT A SINGLETON IS" and somehow in their brain that translates into "I KNOW DESIGN PATTERNS" |
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| 06:30.36 | Shirik | At work, we have exactly one small piece of code that is allowed to use a singleton, and nowhere else. (This is enforced by our unit testing framework, by virtue of it's impossible to actually write a unit test in the framework for something that uses a singleton) |
| 06:31.13 | Shirik | and let me tell you, I can't say if it's because of the design work that's gone into it, or the fact that we have that rule, but the code is very clean |
| 06:31.18 | Shirik | and agile |
| 06:32.02 | Arrowmaster | now remember im not a 'programmer' |
| 06:32.21 | Iriel | I do agree that most developers dont know how to write safe and useful singletons |
| 06:32.31 | Iriel | "Application singletons' a-la spring are pretty clean |
| 06:32.45 | Arrowmaster | is the abuse of singleton why OOP fails at multithreading? can it actually be done properly and really well |
| 06:33.47 | Iriel | ? Since when did OOP fail at multithreading? |
| 06:34.08 | Iriel | Poor understanding of how to write threaded code makes things fail at multithreading |
| 06:34.27 | krka | i approve of singletons only when they're immutable and stateless |
| 06:34.49 | Iriel | krka: At least "operates as if it's immutable and stateless" |
| 06:34.55 | krka | same thing to me :) |
| 06:35.20 | Arrowmaster | well i mean everybody seems to run off to other designs than OOP when its time to do multithreading |
| 06:35.55 | Iriel | I dont think it's so much OOP as the traditional "single machine" programming model |
| 06:37.10 | Shirik | krka / Iriel: I disagree |
| 06:37.31 | Shirik | The biggest problem with singletons is that replacing them is next to impossible |
| 06:37.37 | Shirik | god help you if you need the behavior to change |
| 06:37.47 | Arrowmaster | well people praise haskell and erlang for doing multithreading, and those are both functional right? |
| 06:38.30 | Iriel | Shirik: I was just commenting on the "immutable and stateless" part |
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| 06:39.09 | Shirik | I've actually been feeling this pain myself recently |
| 06:39.33 | Shirik | something I wrote about 3 years ago had a singleton which, among other things, was a way to read in data and write out data |
| 06:39.44 | Iriel | Though i will say there's a certain special kind of pain from having to work in code where NOTHING is fixed if the developers haven't taken the time to make object location/selection painless |
| 06:40.10 | Shirik | Well it turns out this application that read and wrote data now needs to either read/write from this global database (like it had been) OR to stdin/stdout |
| 06:40.25 | Shirik | and making that choice requires a lot of refactoring |
| 06:40.30 | aggixx | Nothing like looking at other people's code and going "What the FUCK were they thinking?" |
| 06:40.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:40.41 | Shirik | I did that to my own code today |
| 06:40.44 | Arrowmaster | aggixx: then realizing you wrote it? |
| 06:40.47 | Shirik | I still haven't figured out what I did |
| 06:40.50 | aggixx | sometimes. |
| 06:40.52 | Shirik | but I named a variable cookie |
| 06:40.57 | Shirik | and despite the fact that I know EXACTLY what it does |
| 06:41.01 | Shirik | I have no idea why it's called cookie |
| 06:41.16 | Iriel | Maybe you were hungry |
| 06:41.23 | Shirik | (NB: It is not internet-based at all) |
| 06:41.51 | Shirik | It was a variable that represents a constructor I'm creating |
| 06:42.19 | Iriel | I'm going to stick with hungry |
| 06:42.21 | Shirik | (It's for a MDA program, so yes, it's a variable that represents part of a class) |
| 06:42.27 | Shirik | sure |
| 06:42.29 | Shirik | hungry |
| 06:42.29 | Shirik | :P |
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| 06:43.00 | Shirik | oh, fun note |
| 06:43.19 | Shirik | A really good way to get people to stop and stare at your cube: Post on the outside a bunch of diagrams of the UML metamodel |
| 06:43.47 | Iriel | I have the little bobby tables XKCD on my office window. |
| 06:44.04 | Shirik | I fear very few people where I work would get that |
| 06:44.20 | Iriel | Only a few of mine would too, but it's funny nonetheless |
| 06:45.30 | Iriel | I used to have the despair.com "Mediocrity" poster up, I need to get a fresh (and framed) copy |
| 06:46.04 | Shirik | the only xkcd I have up is the compiling/swordfighting one |
| 06:48.09 | mitch0 | moo |
| 06:48.10 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:48.25 | Shirik | credit card statement: |
| 06:48.29 | Shirik | Pending payment: $500 |
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| 06:48.36 | Shirik | Description: "A temporary authorization is an approved transaction that has not yet been posted to your account. The amount of the transaction has been deducted from your available credit." |
| 06:48.48 | Shirik | I'm certainly glad they don't actually do what the description says they do |
| 06:49.04 | Shirik | because paying $500 on your bill should not result in your credit line being dropped by $500 |
| 06:50.25 | Iriel | Tooltip fail |
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| 06:51.46 | AcidWeb | Morning |
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| 06:53.33 | Cairenn | morning AcidWeb |
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| 06:59.05 | Shirik | btw kd3, WSJ is saying the biggest reason for Microsoft to buy out skype is because of the windows phones and need to compete against google voice and apple's new service |
| 06:59.20 | Shirik | (amongst other reasons, but that's the big one) |
| 06:59.46 | Shirik | I like this though: |
| 06:59.49 | Shirik | "The biggest winner of this deal could actually be Facebook. The Palo Alto-based social networking giant had little or no chance of buying Skype. Had it been public, it would have been a different story. With Microsoft, it gets the best of both worlds â it gets access to Skype assets (Microsoft is an investor in Facebook) and it gets to keep Skype away from Google." |
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| 07:01.00 | Arrowmaster | how does 'microsoft is an investor in facebook' translate into 'facebook gets access to skype' |
| 07:01.20 | Shirik | don't ask me |
| 07:01.42 | Shirik | but you can't argue against the desire to keep it away from google |
| 07:02.36 | Arrowmaster | i would have been fine with google getting it |
| 07:02.44 | Shirik | facebook wouldn't |
| 07:02.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont care about facebook |
| 07:03.08 | Shirik | facebook cares about facebook |
| 07:03.16 | Shirik | hence why they don't want google to get it |
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| 07:03.40 | Nechckn | And Facebook's bank account *really* cares about facebook =) |
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| 07:18.07 | Shirik | How to know you live in a good town: |
| 07:18.40 | Shirik | Go to FBI sex offenders site, search for all in the town, get "no results returned." Search next closest town, get "too many results." |
| 07:19.50 | Mikk | I _could_ rephrase that as: "How to know you live in a town of gullible people that don't realize that sex offenders drive cars" |
| 07:19.56 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.21 | Shirik | huh? |
| 07:20.38 | Adys | Mikk is telling you he can drive |
| 07:20.41 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 07:21.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:21.29 | Shirik | I would think driving 40 miles out of your way is a little bit much, even for a desparate man |
| 07:22.11 | Adys | Shirik: if there's too many results in that town, aren't they more likely to drive out of town? |
| 07:22.18 | Adys | you know, competition and all |
| 07:22.19 | Iriel | My minecraft island is finally complete - http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/minecraft/render-2011-05-10-071934-239.jpg |
| 07:22.34 | Adys | Iriel: damn |
| 07:22.38 | Shirik | that is really scary |
| 07:22.46 | Adys | is that a subway? |
| 07:22.58 | Shirik | you built that in creation mode, right? |
| 07:23.02 | Iriel | Shirik: No |
| 07:23.07 | Iriel | Shirik: Unmodded server, by hand |
| 07:23.11 | Shirik | o.o |
| 07:23.19 | Adys | Shirik: why would you build in creative |
| 07:23.23 | Adys | i just dont see the point |
| 07:23.26 | Shirik | I don't either |
| 07:23.29 | Adys | unless you're doing a dragon in pure obsidian |
| 07:23.45 | Shirik | but it would mean Iriel would not have spent 5000 hours of his life |
| 07:23.48 | Trela | You can make obsidian machines. |
| 07:23.51 | Iriel | The world view (very very large image) http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/minecraft/render-2011-05-09-034523-882.jpg |
| 07:23.52 | Adys | i use ssp to test stuff and build everything else on smp |
| 07:24.02 | Shirik | also, who builds a dragon out of obsidian |
| 07:24.05 | Shirik | make it out of bedrock |
| 07:24.10 | Iriel | The island's about 2/3 of the way down, roughly half way left to right |
| 07:24.11 | Mikk | unobtanium |
| 07:24.22 | Fisker | Shirik han giver aldrig op |
| 07:24.33 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Fisker] by Shirik |
| 07:24.50 | Adys | okay here's what makes me laugh: people who say "wow is dead, other mmos will take over" |
| 07:25.07 | Adys | wow just lost more players than every other mmo out there bar two |
| 07:25.15 | Adys | and still has ten times more than the second best |
| 07:25.23 | Adys | take a fucking hint |
| 07:25.44 | Shirik | yeah and I'm starting to see the backlash of "omg rift sucks so much" now |
| 07:25.51 | Shirik | which I (and a bunch of others) predicted |
| 07:26.27 | Shirik | and then there's people that play rift while killing nefarian |
| 07:26.32 | Adys | it took me twenty seconds playing rift to STOP playing rift. |
| 07:26.40 | Adys | and predict it sucked hard |
| 07:27.01 | Arrowmaster | i honestly know nothing at all about rift |
| 07:27.10 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 07:27.12 | Adys | i know everything about rift |
| 07:27.14 | Adys | i played wow. |
| 07:28.01 | Adys | what i dont understand: in a time where a real competitor to wow could make some extreme damage, what competition does is copy wow |
| 07:28.32 | Adys | you're not going to steal wow's playerbase by offering them a sepia copy |
| 07:29.07 | Mikk | but maybe 982739427 classes/specs will? .... oh shit i forgot about balance |
| 07:29.10 | Mikk | and so did rift! |
| 07:29.24 | Adys | "Instead of dining at that great restaurant every week, lets go to that other one that just opened, is more expensive, and is called 'We're Almost As Great As That Other Restaurant You Go To'" |
| 07:29.41 | Adys | "why?" |
| 07:29.44 | Adys | "because it's new!" |
| 07:29.45 | Adys | yeah. |
| 07:29.53 | Mikk | it does work once or twice =) |
| 07:30.24 | Adys | yeah and eventually you figure out that you're paying more for exactly the same, except all your friends are still at that other restaurant and laughing at you for emptying your wallet like that |
| 07:30.27 | Arrowmaster | i might come back to mmo's if something good and different comes out, and it would have to focus on pve and not pvp |
| 07:31.00 | Adys | and then when you try to organise a group of 25 people to go to that new restaurant, you have to get people you don't know/never talked to |
| 07:31.09 | Adys | ... the analogy is kind of dying at this point |
| 07:31.42 | Fisker | hey Adys |
| 07:31.57 | Adys | whatever |
| 07:31.58 | Maldivia | 25 oeople at a restaurant sounds like a party... a raid isnt exactly that |
| 07:32.13 | Fisker | do you know anything of backing up emails from squirrelmail? |
| 07:32.37 | Adys | googles |
| 07:32.42 | Adys | sees "written in PHP4" |
| 07:32.52 | Adys | links http://www.squirrelassassins.com/ |
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| 07:33.33 | Fisker | i saw what you did there |
| 07:33.55 | Fisker | anyway the googles, they do nothing |
| 07:34.04 | Fisker | other than retards suggesting i should use an imap client for it |
| 07:35.08 | Adys | why are you using a webmail which is asking people to vote against its deletion on wikipedia on their official site? |
| 07:35.27 | Adys | Stable release1.4.21 / July 23, 2010; 9 months ago |
| 07:35.27 | Adys | Preview release1.5.1 / February 19, 2006; 5 years ago |
| 07:35.36 | Adys | am I the only one who sees where this is going? |
| 07:35.40 | Fisker | lulz |
| 07:36.19 | Arrowmaster | which webmail? |
| 07:37.05 | Adys | squirrelsomething |
| 07:37.30 | Adys | SquirrelMail webmail is included in the repositories of many major GNU/Linux distributions [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] |
| 07:37.33 | Adys | really? |
| 07:37.43 | Adys | Shirik, shoot someone |
| 07:38.35 | Adys | man at least they got their motto "webmail for nuts" quite right |
| 07:38.58 | Arrowmaster | how the hell is squirrelmail not notable |
| 07:39.26 | Adys | wikipedia probably felt dirty having an article for ti |
| 07:39.27 | Adys | it |
| 07:40.40 | Adys | someone please put this thing out of its misery and tell Fisker to use gmail |
| 07:40.56 | Fisker | u an |
| 07:40.58 | Fisker | i am |
| 07:41.42 | Adys | well use it harder |
| 07:41.50 | Fisker | just like i used your mom? |
| 07:42.22 | Adys | Fisker: do you have access to the box that runs this piece of ass? |
| 07:42.33 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:42.45 | Fisker | (No i won't delete it and replace it with a link to google apps) |
| 07:43.17 | Adys | try mlocate .mbox |
| 07:43.35 | Adys | if it's any sort of decent it's storing your mails as mbox somewhere |
| 07:44.35 | Fisker | i don't have it right now :P |
| 07:49.21 | Iriel | Adys: could be maildir |
| 07:49.33 | Adys | i hate email |
| 07:49.41 | Adys | it's like fax but more popular |
| 07:49.47 | Adys | what is it with people wanting to say hi to each other :( |
| 07:49.54 | Adys | bunch of social nerds. |
| 07:51.53 | Arrowmaster | i hate email too |
| 07:53.02 | haste | fax is much worse :( |
| 07:53.21 | Adys | yeah |
| 07:53.54 | Adys | but the good thing about fax is it was proportionally popular to its level of bad |
| 07:54.04 | Adys | email is just gonna get stuck in time over the years |
| 07:54.21 | Adys | with as many billion users as you want to give it |
| 07:54.24 | haste | I still have to fax people once in a while :( |
| 07:54.58 | haste | "lol, we don't have a e-mail you can scan documents to, but we do have a fax number!" |
| 07:55.44 | Arrowmaster | well emailing documents isnt really standardized |
| 07:56.04 | Arrowmaster | people love to use formats that not everybody can read |
| 07:56.31 | haste | I've yet to find a company in Norway that doesn't use/accept PDFs for scanned documents |
| 07:57.08 | Adys | ive yet to find someone in norway who doesn't have fiber at his home |
| 07:57.24 | haste | sorry, that's Sweden Adys |
| 07:57.35 | Adys | its both you bunch of spoiled scandinavians. |
| 07:57.35 | haste | Norway still is 99% ADSL |
| 07:57.50 | haste | with VDSL slightly becoming more populare |
| 07:57.55 | haste | with fiber and cable on the side |
| 07:58.16 | Adys | well at least i can take comfort in the fact cable is quite popular in the uk |
| 07:59.02 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:59.33 | Fisker | yeah Adys it's mainly sweden |
| 07:59.50 | Fisker | actually we have fiber where i live |
| 08:00.00 | Fisker | well |
| 08:00.04 | Fisker | we have the tubes for fiber |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker | but they won't bother filling them because they don't wanna put out fiber and then have absolutely noone buying it |
| 08:00.46 | Fisker | which doesn't make sense, but apparently people don't get that 100 is higher than 20 |
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| 08:02.09 | Fisker | and our local tv/internet "provider" said "Lets used some shitty monopolistic company for our tv and internet services lol." |
| 08:02.21 | Fisker | it's horrible |
| 08:02.26 | Fisker | their tv packs consist of: |
| 08:02.31 | Adys | wah wah. |
| 08:02.42 | Fisker | Cheap: Free and foreign channels (yay) |
| 08:02.59 | Fisker | Medium: Free and foreign channels + a few useful ones |
| 08:03.18 | Fisker | omg lol you're really paying us this?: Free and foreign channels + a few useful ones + the rest + HD |
| 08:03.32 | Adys | fiber is only available in paris in france and isnt planned outside paris until 2016 or something, and even then i doubt they care enough |
| 08:04.11 | Adys | and in greece you cant get more than 20mb adsl no matter what you pay; thats only if you're lucky enough to be in one of the right areas of athens |
| 08:04.12 | Fisker | :O |
| 08:05.03 | mitch0 | greece currently has bigger problems than shitty adsl, me thinks |
| 08:05.43 | Fisker | how so? |
| 08:05.59 | Adys | yes, because everyone knows that it's not important at all to have wide access to cheap broadband throughout a country |
| 08:06.07 | mitch0 | their economy is about to collapse... |
| 08:06.11 | Adys | theres no way THAT could be a good investment and improve economy |
| 08:06.32 | Adys | and last i heard the US economy has it pretty deep too |
| 08:07.04 | Adys | but people dont make a fuss because, well you know it's not fun to remind everyone that their wallet is emptier than they think |
| 08:09.06 | Adys | the few in my family who have net access in athens pay six times more for 4mbps than you'd pay for 20mbps on a decent area |
| 08:10.01 | Adys | so yeah, many athenians stay on dialup hourly contracts.. |
| 08:10.28 | Fisker | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/04/when-one-department-hates-another/ i had lulz irl |
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| 08:11.49 | Adys | Fisker: old. |
| 08:11.51 | Fisker | diiiiiiiiiiiicks |
| 08:12.04 | Fisker | stop making 1920x1080 LED-backlit monitors |
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| 08:13.25 | Adys | stop buying them |
| 08:14.59 | Fisker | i'm not |
| 08:17.11 | Fisker | http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2011/128/reviews/448848_20110509_screen002.jpg |
| 08:17.19 | Adys | buy them and complain you've had your customers rights violated because they suck then |
| 08:18.05 | Adys | i'd buy dnf but it doesnt seem to be available online |
| 08:18.12 | Adys | only physical boxes |
| 08:19.58 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:20.08 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/57900 |
| 08:20.11 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 08:20.38 | Adys | huh |
| 08:20.43 | Adys | i looked for it the other day couldnt find it |
| 08:20.57 | Arrowmaster | i need to preorder some stuff |
| 08:21.07 | Arrowmaster | like 3 things coming out on june 14th |
| 08:21.22 | Arrowmaster | plus one on july 26th |
| 08:22.44 | Adys | tee hee i can click steam:// urls. |
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| 08:25.46 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:25.51 | Fisker | i can watch shitty movies on youtube |
| 08:25.53 | Fisker | for free |
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| 08:34.58 | Adys | Fisker: is there a way to disable this false security feature that fucks me off every time i swap computers on steam? |
| 08:36.15 | Fisker | dunno, not turning it on in the first place? |
| 08:36.33 | Fisker | besides you only have to do it once pr. computer |
| 08:37.00 | Fisker | anyway Steam->Settings->Manage Steam Guard Security |
| 08:37.06 | Adys | its not once per computer |
| 08:37.13 | Adys | every time i swap around it asks me again |
| 08:37.22 | Adys | thanks |
| 08:37.26 | Corrodias2 | asks you what? |
| 08:37.33 | Fisker | workedfineforme.gif |
| 08:37.34 | Adys | asks me to enter a code it sends me by email |
| 08:37.43 | Corrodias2 | oh, neat |
| 08:38.46 | Kalroth | its once per unique hardware computer thingy, if it asks you again then you probably changed something or are running in a virtual machine of some sort |
| 08:39.33 | Corrodias2 | i think he's talking about using two completely different computers |
| 08:39.39 | Corrodias2 | so yeah, some hardware differences. |
| 08:40.17 | Adys | Kalroth: it asks me every time on wine, but it also asks me on my windows laptop |
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| 08:40.47 | Fisker | Obviously it's guarding you from the unwealthy habit of using linux |
| 08:41.13 | Kalroth | yeah, it asks you at every switch, your steam account is "locked" to one hardware setup with that steam guard thingy |
| 08:41.54 | Kalroth | what fisker basically said, you should get the best of both worlds and install macos |
| 08:42.03 | Fisker | no |
| 08:42.04 | Fisker | ! |
| 08:42.25 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure thats what you said |
| 08:42.43 | Adys | it's what i heard too |
| 08:44.42 | Kalroth | <Fisker> so yesterday i was standing in line at the apple store and i caught the guy infront of me buying a mac pro ilaptop |
| 08:45.06 | Kalroth | (the rest of the story goes like this http://bash.org/?1578 ) |
| 08:46.37 | Fisker | not really Kalroth |
| 08:46.47 | Adys | shut up and /quit |
| 08:47.10 | Fisker | why would i? |
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| 08:47.38 | Fisker | causality doesn't warrant that i quit irc |
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| 08:47.49 | Fisker | since i already revealed i was standing in line at the apple store |
| 08:48.08 | Fisker | btw hello cogwheel |
| 08:48.09 | Adys | when is it Fisker started making valid points? |
| 08:48.13 | Fisker | looking forward to D3 beta |
| 08:51.50 | Fisker | do it co Gagorian |
| 08:51.52 | Fisker | damn space |
| 08:51.54 | Fisker | do it cogwheel |
| 08:52.14 | Kalroth | Adys: welcome to reverse universe, soon you'll install Windows XP 64-bit and begin to diss pythong |
| 08:52.42 | Adys | i'm sorta scared that could happen at this p.. wait, xp has a 64bit version? |
| 08:53.57 | Kalroth | it's the best version ever, it's like they took Windows ME and thought: "hmm, this is quality, but how can we improve it??" |
| 08:54.08 | Kalroth | "i know, we'll make it 64-bit!" |
| 08:57.07 | Torhal | Should I be frightened that a Google Image search on an online handle I haven't used in six years is turning up screenshots for my AddOns? |
| 08:57.36 | Torhal | ...and my Curse profile picture? |
| 08:57.41 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 08:59.17 | Adys | no |
| 08:59.22 | Adys | you should just be more careful |
| 08:59.29 | jnwhiteh | careful of what? |
| 08:59.34 | jnwhiteh | I'm happy with what comes pu for my name :P |
| 08:59.59 | Adys | jnwhiteh: if you dont want an old handle linked to you, you need to change a lot of things |
| 09:00.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that's true. |
| 09:00.21 | jnwhiteh | mine is my name, so no chance of that :P |
| 09:00.24 | jnwhiteh | not that I care in the least |
| 09:00.27 | Torhal | I don't care, I was just highly surprised. |
| 09:00.29 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 09:00.33 | Adys | well |
| 09:00.36 | Adys | you shouldnt be frightened then |
| 09:00.37 | Adys | :P |
| 09:00.38 | Torhal | It was a huge "WTF?" |
| 09:00.42 | jnwhiteh | I've got an awesome assortment of WoW, Android, Rowing |
| 09:00.56 | jnwhiteh | oh, and kuvaton/fukung images |
| 09:01.16 | jnwhiteh | basically, anything that was linked in this channel can be linked with my name :P |
| 09:04.08 | Adys | Torhal: google itself makes it quite easy to change online handle or have multiple ones |
| 09:05.11 | Adys | between MSI and gmail's amazing email hashing |
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| 09:08.33 | Fisker | y helo thar jnwhiteh |
| 09:09.28 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 09:14.54 | mitch0 | is there an easy way to disable security lock in andorid if corporate sync is enabled? |
| 09:16.10 | Maldivia | that would kind of circumvent the idea behind it |
| 09:16.16 | mitch0 | yes |
| 09:16.20 | mitch0 | :) |
| 09:16.30 | mitch0 | I'd like to circumvent the idea behind it |
| 09:17.09 | Maldivia | just mail, or everything you're sync'ing? |
| 09:17.18 | mitch0 | mail/calendar |
| 09:17.35 | mitch0 | erm, I sense confusion |
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| 09:18.19 | mitch0 | so: I'd like to enable mail/calendar sync to the corporate exchange server, but I _do not want_ to also enable security lock on my phone (which seems to be mandatory if you set up corporate sync) |
| 09:18.50 | Maldivia | it's not mandatory, it's a setting on the exchange server, so your exchange server administrator can change t hat setting |
| 09:19.05 | mitch0 | yeah, well, suppose they have a hard-on about this ;) |
| 09:19.23 | Maldivia | personally, I bypassed it by using imap instead of exchange sync -- but no calendar support :( |
| 09:21.33 | Fisker | slaps Maldivia around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:26.14 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: i would tell them to either provide you with a company phone so you can read your company email on it or let you read your company email on your personal phone while still keeping it personal |
| 09:26.41 | Arrowmaster | or you can not read your company email on your phone at all and they can deal with it if you dont get it right away |
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| 09:28.52 | Fisker | Arrowmaster giv aldrig op |
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| 09:36.24 | AcidWeb | Sigh.. On cross-faction rated BGs GetBattlefieldScore() dont return ammount of honor kills -.- |
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| 09:45.21 | jnwhiteh | does the UI display it? |
| 09:45.29 | jnwhiteh | if so, then look at how the UI does it, and do that =) |
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| 09:49.49 | AcidWeb | Scoreboard on rated dont show HK |
| 09:50.07 | AcidWeb | On non-crossfatcion rated api returns properly HK |
| 09:50.24 | AcidWeb | Only on cross-faction API return 0 for everybody |
| 09:50.36 | jnwhiteh | then there's likely no waya round that |
| 09:50.42 | jnwhiteh | if the information isn't available, then it isn't available |
| 09:50.49 | jnwhiteh | you could post and ask for them to change the API |
| 09:50.58 | AcidWeb | I think that is a bug. |
| 09:51.06 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 09:51.12 | jnwhiteh | if the UI doesn't display the information |
| 09:51.19 | jnwhiteh | its probably not meant to be available |
| 09:51.40 | AcidWeb | If so it is still a bug because it is avaible ;d |
| 09:52.02 | AcidWeb | *available |
| 09:55.38 | AcidWeb | So if that information shouldn't be available then non cross-faction rated API is broken - because it is availble :D |
| 09:56.04 | jnwhiteh | okay, make a post on the UI forums asking for clarification then =) |
| 09:56.08 | AcidWeb | If that information should be avaible then cross-faction rated API is broken - because it is not avaible ;d |
| 09:56.39 | AcidWeb | *available -.- |
| 09:57.10 | AcidWeb | Anyway I dont like it :-) |
| 09:57.21 | jnwhiteh | well, luckily you have recourse |
| 09:57.23 | jnwhiteh | post about it =) |
| 09:57.30 | jnwhiteh | otherwise I'll beat you. |
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| 09:58.48 | AcidWeb | Considering how rare is to see blue post on UI forums i doubt they care :> |
| 09:58.53 | AcidWeb | But i will post about that |
| 09:59.13 | jnwhiteh | They do care, just because they post doesn't mean they don't review the forums |
| 09:59.35 | jnwhiteh | and more importantly, I'm not willing to listen to someone who is (rightfully) complaining when the issue hasn't been reported to the right people =) |
| 09:59.51 | jnwhiteh | I have a word for it, but people who weren't friends at Uni with me wouldn't understand it :p |
| 10:00.15 | AcidWeb | :) |
| 10:01.04 | Cairenn | Why do people always assume that? I don't think any other department in all of the Blizzard WoW team is anywhere near as responsive as the UI team. They may not post, but if you look at the changes, bug fixes, enhancements, etc. that they put into the game, it's blatantly obvious that they listen. |
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| 10:01.17 | Cairenn | It really is quite infuriating. |
| 10:02.09 | AcidWeb | Im broken after developing stuff for EVE Online. |
| 10:02.46 | AcidWeb | Only direct IRC contact with API/UI developers got any effect there ;p |
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| 10:03.11 | Cairenn | And that's supposed to be some sort of an excuse for your condemnation with irrefutable proof of the exact opposite? |
| 10:03.34 | AcidWeb | Hmmm... Yes. |
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| 10:04.36 | Cairenn | So by that logic, if someone of [x race, religion, gender, etc] is mean to you, all people of that same [race, religion, gender, etc] are rude? |
| 10:05.07 | AcidWeb | OK I get it, I get it. |
| 10:05.13 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 10:05.21 | Cairenn | so, go make the post :) |
| 10:06.37 | AcidWeb | o7 |
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| 10:15.16 | AcidWeb | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2087188838#1 |
| 10:15.18 | AcidWeb | Here you go |
| 10:15.38 | AcidWeb | Do not beat me anymore ;p |
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| 10:22.08 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 10:25.54 | Stanzilla | http://www.vupen.com/demos/VUPEN_Pwning_Chrome.php < ugh :/ |
| 10:27.56 | Wobin | bah, |
| 10:28.00 | Wobin | stupid login server issues =( |
| 10:29.39 | Fisker | why so ugh Stanzilla ? |
| 10:30.05 | Fisker | were i friends with you at uni jnwhiteh ? |
| 10:30.17 | jnwhiteh | i dont think so, no. |
| 10:31.53 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: also, the exploit is exclusively shared with their clients, meaning they have no intention of telling Google how they did it, so it can be fixed |
| 10:32.18 | Fisker | anyway |
| 10:32.23 | Fisker | Google IO is soon |
| 10:33.25 | Fisker | how stupid is that Maldivia ? |
| 10:33.52 | jnwhiteh | whats the gopher airline search site |
| 10:33.55 | jnwhiteh | I can never remember it. |
| 10:34.01 | Maldivia | Fisker: it's a company that make money by selling exploits... why would they get it fixed |
| 10:34.04 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: momondo? |
| 10:34.10 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: I know, I'm just scared that it is even possible :p |
| 10:34.16 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:34.44 | Wobin | webjet? |
| 10:35.13 | jnwhiteh | no, it has a gopher or something like that on its main page |
| 10:35.23 | jnwhiteh | its really barebones, but has a nice gannt chart of the flight |
| 10:35.52 | Kalroth | GopherAir.com ? |
| 10:35.56 | Wobin | hm, doesn't ring any bells |
| 10:36.04 | Wobin | but let me know once you figure it out |
| 10:38.14 | jnwhiteh | http://www.hipmunk.com/ |
| 10:38.20 | jnwhiteh | Gopher, Chipmunk.. what ever :p |
| 10:38.35 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: that's the worst name for a flight searcher -ever- =P |
| 10:39.21 | jnwhiteh | the 'sort by agony' is the best feature |
| 10:41.29 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: I like the fact you can enter "Depart "Today" |
| 10:41.38 | Wobin | and Return "Next Month" |
| 10:41.42 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 10:42.43 | Jamash | I'd like to depart tomorrow and return yesterday |
| 10:43.17 | Jamash | this site does not appear to support timelike paths |
| 10:43.50 | airtonix | so Fisker, dispoint? |
| 10:45.39 | Jamash | dispants |
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| 10:52.54 | Fisker | what dispoint? |
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| 11:16.17 | Adys | what's the best domain name vendor for com/net/org? |
| 11:16.29 | Adys | or well, one that's recommendable |
| 11:17.36 | Cairenn | godaddy has always been fine for us |
| 11:17.49 | Adys | i used godaddy before, hate it =/ |
| 11:17.51 | Adys | their cp is a mess |
| 11:17.59 | Arrowmaster | ive been wanting to transfer my domains to gandi.net |
| 11:18.36 | Cairenn | But I'm not sure if that's who dolby still uses for our sites or not |
| 11:21.32 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i remember gandi, heard good things about it |
| 11:21.42 | Adys | any decent? |
| 11:22.20 | airtonix | i like webfactions cp (they provide an api for the thing too so you can make your own) |
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| 11:26.21 | zenzelezz | I have no idea about what's better, but I use joker.com |
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| 11:29.43 | Fisker | hahahaha haste |
| 11:29.52 | Fisker | Swedes call "Keyboard" "Tangentbord" |
| 11:29.54 | Fisker | looooooooool |
| 11:30.19 | Kalroth | They're crazy, they dont use any english words at all |
| 11:34.07 | Maldivia | Fisker: you find tastatur better? |
| 11:34.28 | Kalroth | Maldivia: Oi, you. Yes, you with the logic. The door is THAT way. |
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| 11:34.45 | Fisker | yes Maldivia |
| 11:35.10 | Zyn | like the danish "Knatterplatte" is any better :3 |
| 11:35.48 | Fisker | u trolling Zyn |
| 11:35.52 | Fisker | or stupid |
| 11:36.11 | Maldivia | Zyn: that would be German slang |
| 11:38.27 | Maldivia | Zyn: we call it harddisk (although the "real" Danish word is magnetpladelager) |
| 11:38.46 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i havent transferred my domains there yet but ive only heard good things about them, they arent the cheapest but when you consider what they offer for free they become cheaper than the majority of registrars (they have free private reg while most charge $10 a year per domain for private reg) |
| 11:38.52 | Fisker | exactly Maldivia |
| 11:39.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 11:39.10 | Adys | i just registered my net and com there |
| 11:39.15 | Adys | will see if i get an org too later |
| 11:40.00 | Arrowmaster | my domains have longer than 9 years on them right now, so if i transfer them to a registrar that offers a free year when you transfer i wont get it, i dont remember if gandi.net offers that though |
| 11:41.28 | Arrowmaster | fyi, trying to get a 10 year renewal is a fucking bitch |
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| 11:41.47 | Adys | i saw gandi does 20 year contracts |
| 11:42.13 | Adys | no idea about renewals |
| 11:42.28 | Arrowmaster | for domains? icann doesnt allow the domain info to have an expiration date more than 10years+1day in the future |
| 11:42.35 | Adys | hm |
| 11:42.38 | Adys | maybe misread then |
| 11:43.00 | Arrowmaster | so i had to renew my domains the day before they expired to get the 10 year rate at my current registrar |
| 11:44.53 | Adys | why would you register domains for so long anyway? |
| 11:45.01 | Adys | i mean unless it's your name |
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| 11:45.07 | Arrowmaster | why not? |
| 11:45.16 | Arrowmaster | and yes they are my name |
| 11:45.18 | bluspacecow | yeah why not ! |
| 11:45.20 | Adys | well fair then |
| 11:45.26 | Arrowmaster | well one is my name and the other is my alias |
| 11:45.37 | bluspacecow | you real name is master ? |
| 11:45.42 | bluspacecow | *boggle* |
| 11:45.45 | bluspacecow | *bows* |
| 11:45.53 | Arrowmaster | the one for my name has been paid for 20 years now |
| 11:46.03 | Arrowmaster | im only 24 |
| 11:46.05 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:46.13 | Fisker | i pwnt n00bs bluspacecow |
| 11:46.13 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 11:46.46 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 11:46.51 | Fisker | yus |
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| 11:46.56 | bluspacecow | Erfahrener Benutzer |
| 11:47.12 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 11:47.17 | bluspacecow | so that's what it means |
| 11:47.20 | bluspacecow | "senior member" |
| 11:47.29 | bluspacecow | some BBS i'm on that's my rank |
| 11:48.56 | AcidWeb | New Archy was released. |
| 11:49.07 | AcidWeb | Official one... not bunch of patches |
| 11:49.13 | Kalroth | bluspacecow: "experienced user" is the direct translation |
| 11:49.15 | bluspacecow | oh nice |
| 11:49.16 | Arrowmaster | almost 8am, im going to bed now |
| 11:49.30 | bluspacecow | wow some my member is experienced :) |
| 11:49.35 | bluspacecow | giggity giggity |
| 11:49.58 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow has an experienced member |
| 11:50.12 | bluspacecow | @aw where is this new archy ... i'm interested in if daikenka was ever found |
| 11:50.21 | bluspacecow | lost in the ozzies floods i hear :( |
| 11:51.04 | AcidWeb | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/archy/ |
| 11:51.15 | bluspacecow | bah |
| 11:51.21 | bluspacecow | daihenka not found :( |
| 11:51.22 | AcidWeb | But it is released by myrroddin |
| 11:51.28 | AcidWeb | Yea ;/ |
| 11:51.51 | jnwhiteh | should I come to Blizzcon>? |
| 11:51.58 | bluspacecow | yes! |
| 11:52.01 | bluspacecow | so i can fondle you ! |
| 11:52.07 | jnwhiteh | Who is going? |
| 11:52.12 | bluspacecow | me! |
| 11:52.34 | bluspacecow | can't speak for anyone else just who made it last year |
| 11:52.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:52.55 | Cairenn | hopes she will be |
| 11:53.04 | bluspacecow | lets xinny was there , cogwheel , shefki ..... |
| 11:53.45 | bluspacecow | i think i remember ariel being there as well that curse networking chap who was handing out tic tacs ... |
| 11:53.53 | AcidWeb | Too far for me ;] |
| 11:54.04 | bluspacecow | where you from acidweb ? |
| 11:54.06 | bluspacecow | general area |
| 11:54.09 | Adys | i was planning to go but it seems a lot of people aren't going this year |
| 11:54.12 | AcidWeb | Poland. |
| 11:54.18 | Adys | so honestly .. |
| 11:54.22 | bluspacecow | <-- come from NZ |
| 11:54.33 | Kalroth | spacecows can fly though |
| 11:54.37 | Kalroth | so that's cheating |
| 11:54.46 | bluspacecow | 12,000 miles ! |
| 11:54.51 | jnwhiteh | Adys: who isn't able to go? |
| 11:54.57 | jnwhiteh | 2007 was the best, imo |
| 11:55.01 | Adys | guildmates |
| 11:55.11 | jnwhiteh | I still <3 that UI group photo |
| 11:55.14 | Adys | and a couple of colleagues |
| 11:55.24 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 11:55.59 | Adys | also i dont know how interesting this blizzcon is gonna be |
| 11:56.06 | Adys | no new announcement this year |
| 11:56.20 | Adys | im thinking it's probably worth going next year instead |
| 11:56.23 | jnwhiteh | I go for the people |
| 11:56.34 | bluspacecow | i didn't hear the annoucement last year anyway Adys |
| 11:56.37 | jnwhiteh | I'll be preparing for a wedding next year |
| 11:56.38 | Adys | yeah and most of my friends arent going :P |
| 11:56.49 | Kalroth | Adys: aww |
| 11:56.49 | jnwhiteh | most of my UI friends are going it seems |
| 11:56.59 | jnwhiteh | and I've been close with them for .. a long time now. |
| 11:57.02 | Adys | Kalroth: you're not going. |
| 11:57.03 | bluspacecow | all i heard was *announcement i couldn't hear over the noise* *HUGE SOUND OF FANS SQUELLING* |
| 11:57.06 | Kalroth | Adys: I'd go, but most of the people I know there are meanies! |
| 11:57.25 | Adys | nkara is going |
| 11:57.29 | Adys | she be meanie? :( |
| 11:57.32 | Kalroth | Yes, she's a meanie |
| 11:57.35 | Kalroth | Just ask her! |
| 11:57.36 | Adys | k well fair |
| 11:57.50 | Kalroth | (also she's a dirty night elf) |
| 11:58.15 | Adys | which one of these three words is a bad thing? |
| 11:58.16 | Adys | honestly. |
| 11:58.26 | Kalroth | the last two |
| 11:58.37 | industrial | dirty dirty night elf |
| 11:58.44 | jnwhiteh | I hate how expensive it is for me to get to CA from LON |
| 11:58.47 | industrial | hey! I was working. |
| 11:58.53 | jnwhiteh | cause we'll be doing it again for Christmas |
| 11:58.56 | Adys | yeah jnwhiteh |
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| 11:59.02 | Adys | well |
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| 11:59.14 | Adys | actually last year we talked about buying group tickets |
| 11:59.17 | Adys | from the uk |
| 11:59.18 | Kalroth | orc no like alliance (ooc: people that play alliance characters are stupid!!) |
| 11:59.57 | Adys | jnwhiteh: we had like 10 people going every year and a few more, so we said next year we should look into shared plane ride |
| 12:00.09 | jnwhiteh | can you get group flight rates? |
| 12:00.17 | Adys | depends on the company |
| 12:00.20 | Adys | i know AA does |
| 12:00.39 | Adys | but you need like 10-15 ppl or something, dont remember |
| 12:00.43 | jnwhiteh | I've got some curse $ I can throw at the flights, but definitely not enough |
| 12:01.51 | bluspacecow | *has odd vision of jnwhiteh throwing 20 pound bills at the airplane to make it go faster* |
| 12:02.14 | Adys | is it weird i had the same vision? |
| 12:02.20 | jnwhiteh | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 12:02.21 | purl | Don't tell me how you want to implement it.. tell me what you want it to do. |
| 12:02.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm, where's the good one |
| 12:02.35 | Adys | ~literal emulate cladhaire |
| 12:02.35 | purl | "emulate cladhaire" is "<reply>Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. || <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground. || <reply> I take the fun out of sandboxes || <reply> Don't tell me how you want to implement it.. tell me what you want it to do." |
| 12:02.52 | jnwhiteh | <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground. =) |
| 12:02.57 | jnwhiteh | that's a ckk classic |
| 12:03.14 | jnwhiteh | he said that's what he saw every time I typed *shake*, which was me shaking my head |
| 12:03.33 | jnwhiteh | too bad Blizzard doesn't have non-customer service jobs in Europe |
| 12:03.35 | Adys | jnwhiteh: tell me if you're interested by the group rates, but will need to see how many people are involved |
| 12:03.40 | industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 12:03.40 | purl | and now I'm high o/ |
| 12:03.43 | industrial | jnwhiteh: word |
| 12:03.57 | industrial | ~literal emulate Industrial |
| 12:03.57 | purl | "emulate industrial" is "<reply> (Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/|omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123|Woo, first day at school. Stoned!|I had camsex with ckknight.)" |
| 12:04.04 | Adys | most of the people who were departing from the uk arent going this year |
| 12:04.07 | jnwhiteh | Adys: I won't know if I'm able to go until next year |
| 12:04.28 | Adys | that sort of sounds like late |
| 12:05.00 | Adys | we are talking about this year's blizzcon still yeah? :P |
| 12:05.08 | jnwhiteh | oh, we are? |
| 12:05.09 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:05.18 | jnwhiteh | I thought you said you definitely weren't going |
| 12:05.36 | Adys | definitely not if i cant get the group flight this year |
| 12:05.58 | bluspacecow | jnwhite could pack you in his suit case ! |
| 12:06.02 | Adys | no announcement + bunch of people not going = not worth 1200 gbp |
| 12:06.12 | jnwhiteh | Adys: you're in the UK? |
| 12:06.18 | Adys | yes :P |
| 12:06.20 | jnwhiteh | wtfzors, when did that happen? |
| 12:06.24 | bluspacecow | wow 1200 gbp ? |
| 12:06.28 | Adys | like six months ago |
| 12:06.32 | bluspacecow | cost me $1400 NZD |
| 12:06.32 | Adys | bluspacecow: im counting everything |
| 12:06.34 | jnwhiteh | Adys: there are flights for 450gbp |
| 12:06.38 | jnwhiteh | ah, gotcha |
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| 12:06.39 | bluspacecow | paid off ... ohhhhhhhhh |
| 12:06.49 | jnwhiteh | I don't have to pay for a hotel or car rental, which is nice |
| 12:06.54 | bluspacecow | yeah i put it on the credit card and paying it off over time |
| 12:07.06 | jnwhiteh | my fiancé's father lives just south of anaheim. |
| 12:07.07 | Adys | i need to poke amro about it |
| 12:07.14 | Adys | he might be going this year |
| 12:07.41 | jnwhiteh | I should just accept curse points donations =) |
| 12:08.33 | jnwhiteh | too bad I lose 15% to the big bad government. |
| 12:08.41 | jnwhiteh | Adys: that explains why we're always seeming to be on at the same time |
| 12:08.45 | jnwhiteh | where in the UK are you? |
| 12:08.50 | Adys | bristol |
| 12:09.21 | Adys | i might move to leicester in the autumn tho |
| 12:10.07 | Adys | and jnwhiteh |
| 12:10.10 | jnwhiteh | well when are you coming to visit Oxford? |
| 12:10.20 | jnwhiteh | and are you in a UK guild? O.o |
| 12:10.27 | jnwhiteh | where were you when I was begging for a guild to join 4 months ago! |
| 12:10.42 | Adys | you realize that before i moved here i was in greece, and before that in france, which are both in very close timezones |
| 12:10.46 | Adys | and im on uk serv but french guild |
| 12:10.53 | Adys | http://www.lords-zodiac.com/ |
| 12:10.55 | Kalroth | do they speak french |
| 12:10.59 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:10.59 | jnwhiteh | I did realize you were in Greece before |
| 12:11.01 | Adys | all kinds of french. |
| 12:11.04 | jnwhiteh | and remembered something about france :P |
| 12:11.12 | industrial | dirty french is the only kind I like |
| 12:11.15 | Kalroth | Adys is a frenchy by heart |
| 12:11.19 | jnwhiteh | Adys: come to oxford! |
| 12:11.20 | industrial | the rest sounds .. snobby :P |
| 12:11.25 | jnwhiteh | Mikma is coming next month! |
| 12:11.29 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 12:11.43 | Adys | jnwhiteh: some time in june |
| 12:11.49 | Adys | probably early june |
| 12:12.00 | jnwhiteh | lol, that's when Mikko is coming :P |
| 12:12.08 | Adys | sweet we can have a threesome |
| 12:12.14 | Kalroth | wait, you're moving to UK now? |
| 12:12.22 | Adys | look |
| 12:12.27 | Adys | Kalroth is having latency problems |
| 12:12.28 | Kalroth | are you a gypsy |
| 12:13.03 | Kalroth | i didnt think they wanted frenchies in the imperialist kingdom |
| 12:13.27 | jnwhiteh | little known fact, I'm an Irish traveller. |
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| 12:13.39 | Adys | my condolences |
| 12:13.49 | Adys | jnwhiteh: going to see derren on the 30th here |
| 12:14.08 | jnwhiteh | We could come visit you in Bristol as well, if you'll put up with us =) |
| 12:14.45 | Adys | there isn't much to see here =P |
| 12:15.03 | jnwhiteh | if there are pubs then that's all we need imo! |
| 12:15.21 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:15.51 | Adys | jnwhiteh: sorry, can you repeat that? all i could hear was your superthick irish accent and "pub" |
| 12:15.52 | Adys | :P |
| 12:16.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm not even close to Irish =) |
| 12:16.49 | Adys | took a shot |
| 12:16.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm pretty much English/German down the middle |
| 12:16.52 | jnwhiteh | heeh |
| 12:16.58 | Adys | (get it? took a shot.) |
| 12:17.04 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:17.13 | Adys | (because the.. nevermind.) |
| 12:17.15 | jnwhiteh | with a northern New York State/lower Ontario accent |
| 12:17.16 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 12:18.37 | Adys | jnwhiteh: anyway yeah ill pop by oxford prolly first or second week of june |
| 12:18.46 | jnwhiteh | hrm, our guild camping expedition is mid-July, yay! |
| 12:18.49 | jnwhiteh | Adys: just lemme know =) |
| 12:19.04 | Adys | jnwhiteh: if mikma feels like sniffing my armpits we can plan something, im not exactly on a schedule |
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| 12:19.27 | jnwhiteh | they'll be here mid-week, and it'll be pretty crowded |
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| 12:19.33 | jnwhiteh | but we could certainly try! |
| 12:20.17 | Adys | will poke you about it again in a few days |
| 12:20.31 | Adys | i need to finish planning some other trips |
| 12:20.42 | Adys | greece this summer, romania shortly after that |
| 12:20.53 | jnwhiteh | Huh, I didn't know that Node was almost a Lua programn |
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| 12:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, Microsloth bought Skype. *sigh* |
| 12:25.58 | Adys | logs off Skype |
| 12:26.26 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:26.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I am willing to bet that the free calling service goes away within... 6 months will be too quick, but a year. |
| 12:26.37 | Kalroth | Hey, wait, I got an idea |
| 12:26.41 | bluspacecow | hai2u Peppy |
| 12:26.48 | Kalroth | Sweet, Microsoft bought Python. *sigh* |
| 12:26.51 | Kalroth | waits for it. |
| 12:27.00 | bluspacecow | Monty Python ? |
| 12:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Snakes on a plane? |
| 12:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, bluspacecow. Happy Twos Daze. |
| 12:28.14 | Adys | Kalroth: ms ditched ironpython a few months ago |
| 12:28.22 | Adys | do you know how happy i am in life when i see i make the right choices? |
| 12:28.23 | Adys | :P |
| 12:29.12 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 12:29.34 | Adys | i don't have many people on skype |
| 12:29.43 | Adys | can probably convince them to switch to xmpp+vv |
| 12:30.33 | Adys | not that i really care but meh, at least i had some sort of hope for the skype linux client |
| 12:31.01 | Kalroth | Adys: haha |
| 12:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | Skype is a very popular tool for connecting families, and especially military families (from what I hear in my home area near an army base, anyway). |
| 12:31.31 | Adys | yeah |
| 12:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Well, no use being all Chicken Little until it happens. |
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| 12:32.59 | Adys | well tbh skype was on the very edge of pissing me off, between the sound issues and the *serious* latency issues |
| 12:33.29 | Fisker | Sweet, Linus Torvalds just bought a child slave. *sigh* |
| 12:33.46 | Adys | what brand? tell me so i can get one too |
| 12:34.27 | Adys | am i the only one noticing Fisker's trolls are getting weaker, and his points are getting more valid? |
| 12:34.40 | Adys | maybe im just getting used to him but it's like he's... matured. |
| 12:35.12 | Kalroth | :o |
| 12:35.26 | Kalroth | don't abandon me, Fisker, I don't want to be alone down here |
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| 12:36.58 | robokitty | throws kittens at Fisker |
| 12:37.20 | Kalroth | bad kitty, bad |
| 12:37.26 | robokitty | noes |
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| 12:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | Do not throw kittens, they aren't very aerodynamic. |
| 12:39.46 | Kalroth | but they always land on their feet |
| 12:40.02 | Lopeppeppy | Throw scissors. They fly better, along a more predictable path, and while they have fewer pointy bits, those that they possess are much more dangerous. |
| 12:40.22 | Kalroth | ever tied toast with butter to the back of a cat? it floats forever! |
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| 12:42.22 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 12:47.57 | Blu|Gym | YOINK! |
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| 12:50.40 | Kraps | so Lopeppeppy, i hereby prescribe intense psychotherapy for the entire Summers family |
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| 12:53.22 | Kraps | the episode where Dawn finds out what she is is deeply disturbing |
| 12:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | Dawn is just deeply disturbing all around, Kraps. |
| 12:54.49 | Kalroth | she's kinda hot .. once she is legal! |
| 12:55.43 | TC-Away | she is? |
| 12:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | She's cute, I guess. |
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| 13:01.58 | zenzelezz | who? |
| 13:02.41 | Kraps | your mom |
| 13:02.49 | alestane | Dare I ask what you're discussing? |
| 13:03.08 | Fisker | no your mom |
| 13:03.09 | jnwhiteh | I do not think that Dawn is hot. |
| 13:03.13 | jnwhiteh | but that's just me =/ |
| 13:03.19 | zenzelezz | *which* Dawn? |
| 13:03.21 | Kraps | teh vampire slayer |
| 13:03.22 | jnwhiteh | And Dawn as a character is super annoying, full stop. |
| 13:03.29 | Kraps | 's sister |
| 13:04.27 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: idk, shes the younger sister of the protagonist, thats kinda required :p |
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| 13:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | She whines a lot, and needs to be rescued a lot. She took Willow's place as the weakest link, so that Willow could move up in the world. |
| 13:06.39 | jnwhiteh | I love that HIMYM keeps the dark willow thing going :P |
| 13:08.40 | Maldivia | well, dark willow was the highlight of season 6 of buffy |
| 13:08.43 | zenzelezz | HIMYM? |
| 13:08.50 | Maldivia | how I met your mother |
| 13:08.56 | jnwhiteh | How I met your Mother |
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| 13:11.15 | cremetorte | any LibBabble developer here? |
| 13:11.35 | jnwhiteh | LibBabble is automatically generated and the code rarely changes |
| 13:11.39 | jnwhiteh | what do you actually need or want? |
| 13:12.24 | cremetorte | jin'do is completly missing |
| 13:12.34 | cremetorte | not existent in Phrases database |
| 13:13.11 | Adys | jnwhiteh: is himym worth watching? |
| 13:13.17 | jnwhiteh | Adys: I've really enjoyed it. |
| 13:13.20 | Adys | i keep meaning to check it out |
| 13:13.42 | airtonix | lawl vampires |
| 13:13.46 | airtonix | Fisker: do you agree |
| 13:13.50 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: Ackis and nevcairiel seem like they should have access to add new phrases |
| 13:14.29 | Fisker | http://img.imgur.com/B71GBl.jpg |
| 13:14.32 | cremetorte | thanks i try to contact them |
| 13:14.32 | Fisker | see Shirik |
| 13:14.34 | Fisker | and Ackis |
| 13:15.06 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: looks like the easiest way is to open a ticket asking for them to be added |
| 13:15.16 | jnwhiteh | based on the thread linked from the project page |
| 13:15.18 | airtonix | lawl |
| 13:15.44 | cremetorte | i did that too, but i thought contact them here in irc would be faster |
| 13:15.53 | airtonix | Fisker: time to print that out |
| 13:16.00 | jnwhiteh | well I pinged them but doesn't seem like they're around =) |
| 13:16.41 | cremetorte | i cant really understand why its so difficult to add 4 or 5 new bosses since 4.1 came out 3 weeks ago ? .... but thanks for contact names anyway |
| 13:16.59 | jnwhiteh | its not difficult, it just hasn't been done |
| 13:17.16 | jnwhiteh | we're all volunteers here and we don't always have the time to do everything we'd like. |
| 13:18.32 | cremetorte | i know that i am a developer myself, but i am just wondering how other add on authors did not realize that jin'do is just completly missing ,and all the other new za/zg bosses were included on 1st of may... |
| 13:18.45 | cremetorte | seems like i am the only dev who uses libbabble-boss Oo |
| 13:19.20 | jnwhiteh | based on the forum that I already mentioned, that is clearly not the case |
| 13:19.35 | jnwhiteh | you're just using it in a way where you're running into issues with it |
| 13:19.39 | jnwhiteh | Not sure what to tell you =) |
| 13:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | You puts in your ticket, you waits in line behind all the tickets put in before yours. It may be a slow volunteer system, but it's a system. |
| 13:20.49 | cremetorte | ppl text me "hey boss X and boss Y is not in my native language" since release of 4.1 and the only thing i can do is to tell them that i wait for other guys to update their library. |
| 13:21.17 | cremetorte | dont misunderstand me i am really happy that some devs did something like libabble it makes everything a lot easier |
| 13:21.42 | cremetorte | its just the community that cant wait .... and put some "virtual" pressure on me |
| 13:22.00 | zenzelezz | I don't know how libraries work in WoW, but couldn't you have fixed it yourself? |
| 13:22.06 | cremetorte | there are 2 active tickets you hardly can call this a queue or something ;) |
| 13:22.12 | cremetorte | i fixed it myself |
| 13:22.16 | Fisker | are you happy Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:22.47 | cremetorte | the problem is: any other addon uses an older version of the lib, and that lib was loaded first, my addon uses their lib not the one i deliver with my addon |
| 13:22.51 | cremetorte | first come first use .. |
| 13:23.14 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, how can I be happy without your lilacs? |
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| 13:24.51 | cremetorte | zenzelezz, my english is bad i hope you understood |
| 13:25.51 | zenzelezz | cremetorte: yup |
| 13:28.08 | Adys | cremetorte, zenzelezz: isn't libstub supposed to take care of that..? |
| 13:28.43 | zenzelezz | Adys: I stand by my "I don't know how libraries work in WoW" :) |
| 13:29.00 | Adys | jnwhiteh^ |
| 13:29.04 | cremetorte | ehhww |
| 13:29.19 | Adys | libbabble does use libstub yeah? |
| 13:29.21 | jnwhiteh | It only takes care of it if you increment the minor version |
| 13:29.21 | cremetorte | all i can say is that my addon uses libstub but i dont exactly know how it works |
| 13:29.29 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lul wut? |
| 13:29.38 | jnwhiteh | what he could do is move it to a fractional revision, possibly =) |
| 13:29.46 | jnwhiteh | so it doesn't conflict with the next real revision |
| 13:30.04 | cremetorte | this would be a very dirty hack , wouldnt it? |
| 13:30.11 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 13:30.39 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i have to sniff adys' armpits? |
| 13:30.40 | jnwhiteh | alternatively, just wrap your LibBabble in your addon |
| 13:30.41 | Adys | cremetorte: not really |
| 13:30.46 | jnwhiteh | and add the extra keys |
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| 13:30.59 | Adys | THAT would be a dirty hack |
| 13:31.00 | Adys | :P |
| 13:31.04 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 13:31.08 | jnwhiteh | its much better than the alternative |
| 13:31.38 | cremetorte | could make conflicts with license |
| 13:31.45 | Adys | incrementing a version on an actual new revision of the lib is worse than having two instances of the lib loaded? |
| 13:31.51 | jnwhiteh | it woulud be a fork |
| 13:31.54 | jnwhiteh | he can't commit to the repo |
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| 13:32.00 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: ... no? |
| 13:32.23 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: if you use a babble lib, and need extra keys.. you can just add them locally in your addon so your addon has access to them if they don't appear in babble |
| 13:32.32 | jnwhiteh | Adys: so he'd be 'fake' incrementing the revision |
| 13:32.39 | Jamash | bubble babble |
| 13:32.40 | Adys | right |
| 13:32.49 | jnwhiteh | the 'correct' way to do it is to give it a new major version |
| 13:32.49 | Adys | i thought you meant having the babble devs increment it |
| 13:33.11 | jnwhiteh | yeah no, the babble libs aren't responding =) |
| 13:33.25 | jnwhiteh | then you maintain this fork of the major version until you need to fall back onto the 'main' major. |
| 13:33.26 | Adys | what do you mean? |
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| 13:33.36 | jnwhiteh | that's what I've had to do with Astrolabe because esamynn apparently hates me. |
| 13:33.37 | cremetorte | i already thought about that options but i got a bad feeling when "abusing" code from other devs that way ... |
| 13:33.47 | jnwhiteh | it has nothing to do with their code cremetorte |
| 13:33.49 | cremetorte | got=get |
| 13:33.51 | jnwhiteh | that's precisely why I'm suggesting it,. |
| 13:34.32 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: you're using GetLookupTable(), I assume? |
| 13:34.40 | cremetorte | indeed |
| 13:35.16 | jnwhiteh | local myLookupTable = setmetatable({["Jin'do"] = ["Jin'do"]}, {__index = boss:GetLookupTable()}) |
| 13:35.20 | jnwhiteh | does precisely what you want |
| 13:35.35 | jnwhiteh | lets your addon use the Jin'do key without altering the libary at all |
| 13:35.41 | jnwhiteh | nice and clean, easy to cut out when the lib is updated |
| 13:35.51 | cremetorte | thanks i will try that until the libbabble-boss is up to date |
| 13:35.57 | jnwhiteh | its by far the cleanest solution |
| 13:36.13 | Ackis | is the boss name in WoW Jin'do the Godbreaker or Jin'do? |
| 13:36.16 | cremetorte | it seems to be |
| 13:36.27 | cremetorte | of course its Jin'do the godbreaker |
| 13:36.38 | cremetorte | but i know what he meant ;) |
| 13:36.51 | Ackis | I needed to know |
| 13:36.53 | Ackis | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbabble-boss-3-0/localization/phrases/809-jindo-the-godbreaker/ |
| 13:36.57 | jnwhiteh | cremetorte: Ackis is one of the maintainers, he's asking so he can add it. |
| 13:37.08 | cremetorte | ah i see |
| 13:37.34 | cremetorte | did not look on Ackis nickname but what he wrote ;) |
| 13:38.11 | jnwhiteh | its okay, he's fun to ignore |
| 13:38.18 | Ackis | cremetorte: it's added and once the package gets regenerated (nevcairiel does that because he has a nice handy script and I don't) it'll be updated |
| 13:38.22 | Ackis | ~lart jnwhiteh |
| 13:38.22 | purl | slaps jnwhiteh upside the head with a wet fish |
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| 13:39.05 | cremetorte | thanks a lot ;) |
| 13:39.33 | Ackis | you're welcome |
| 13:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Ackis for the awesomes. |
| 13:40.02 | Fisker | exactly Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.05 | Fisker | umadbro |
| 13:40.07 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, alestane: http://taitems.github.com/Front-End-Development-Guidelines/ |
| 13:40.12 | Fisker | or sis i should say |
| 13:40.16 | Ackis | whee Lopeppeppy huggles! |
| 13:40.29 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 13:40.30 | Ackis | cremetorte was just lucky I picked now to log in :) |
| 13:40.32 | Fisker | http://img.imgur.com/B71GBl.jpg |
| 13:40.33 | airtonix | ^ hadny document to make your new underlings read |
| 13:40.39 | Fisker | ruining games again Ackis ? |
| 13:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, that is sexy. Now I have permission to murder the peoples! |
| 13:40.54 | Ackis | never |
| 13:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I'll be mad at you until you send me lilacs. We covered this last week. |
| 13:41.00 | Ackis | what game is that from Fisker/ |
| 13:41.24 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: i have to write up an interview process for my boss so he can properly gauge the worthyness of my new assistants |
| 13:41.25 | Fisker | Brink Ackis |
| 13:41.41 | airtonix | i mean test subjects |
| 13:42.04 | Ackis | I've been asked to play brink |
| 13:42.07 | Ackis | but I don't want to |
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| 13:42.13 | Thunder_Child | then dont |
| 13:42.14 | Ackis | I have too many games to play and not enough ackis time :( |
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| 13:42.23 | Ackis | and then I have my 5 animals who need cuddles |
| 13:42.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wow. airtonix, a dream come true. Ever read Bastard Operator from Hell? |
| 13:42.30 | Ackis | (6 if you count my fiancee) |
| 13:42.42 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: haha |
| 13:42.46 | Thunder_Child | you count your fiancee as an animal? |
| 13:42.47 | Jamash | more like bland...k |
| 13:42.52 | alestane | airtonix, I was using http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qMe7Z3EYg to hammer some of this stuff home to my students. |
| 13:42.56 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: no but I count her as needing cuddles |
| 13:43.08 | alestane | Why not, Thunder_Child, we all are. |
| 13:43.10 | cremetorte | k i did all the translations i know and yes, it just feels good to be in touch with other devs helping each other ;) |
| 13:43.11 | Jamash | humans are animals |
| 13:43.22 | alestane | I certainly count Peppy as one ;) |
| 13:43.48 | Jamash | although Fisker is a prokaryote |
| 13:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | Negative. I am a meat popsicle. |
| 13:44.32 | airtonix | omg Ackis it's made by bethesda... it's shit. |
| 13:44.44 | alestane | Most taxonomists these days will shake their head over the fact that humans have their own genus. By most rights we should be included in Pan with the chimps and bonobos. |
| 13:45.08 | Jamash | what are you, homophobic? |
| 13:45.29 | Jamash | <--- so very, very clever |
| 13:45.59 | alestane | "Tables should only ever be used for the presentation of tabular data. The only exception is when composing HTML email, in which a table is almost the only thing supported by soul crushing email clients." |
| 13:47.02 | Jamash | don't use html email, problem solved |
| 13:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | html emails are such popular marketing tools... |
| 13:47.40 | Jamash | exactly |
| 13:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | I can't help it. My office does marketing, I compose HTML emails every barkin' mad day. |
| 13:48.20 | Ackis | ugh |
| 13:48.26 | Jamash | if someone asks for html email you should bite them |
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| 13:48.43 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy: i think i might end up making a modular email template django app for the sales team |
| 13:49.00 | Lopeppeppy | I will next time, but it's still my job to produce the stupid things. I do them decently well, at least. |
| 13:49.15 | airtonix | 1. build this,2. rape internet3. ??? 4. profit/get banned |
| 13:49.39 | airtonix | email marketing seems to be a fine line |
| 13:49.51 | airtonix | i'd rather just use ascii |
| 13:50.08 | airtonix | also, email clients should support markdown tbh |
| 13:50.12 | airtonix | or textile |
| 13:50.36 | alestane | "Put simply, aggressive degradation boils down to: if your browser can't render a gradient or a box shadow, tough luck. " |
| 13:51.14 | cremetorte | just use a carrier pigeon instead :P |
| 13:51.54 | airtonix | it's faster in africa |
| 13:52.24 | airtonix | and if you deploy pidgeons en-masse in sendai you get a higher spam rate |
| 13:53.01 | cremetorte | i wonder how you manage attachments :) bunch of pigeons :D |
| 13:53.10 | airtonix | coconuts |
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| 13:54.38 | cremetorte | what i am also wondering ( but has nothing to do with wowuidev ), is any native spanish speaker here? |
| 13:54.57 | Maldivia | coffee time... http://vimeo.com/23428725 |
| 13:55.51 | airtonix | hey Adys, chrome debug tool is nice, but firebug can be too when you get the support firebug addons |
| 13:56.33 | Adys | how so? |
| 13:57.40 | airtonix | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashfirebug/ |
| 13:57.48 | airtonix | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/codeburner-for-firebug/ |
| 13:57.58 | airtonix | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/illuminations-for-developers/ |
| 13:58.07 | airtonix | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firebug-autocompleter/ |
| 13:58.10 | Adys | yeah i know about those |
| 13:58.41 | airtonix | pretty much most of : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=firebug&cat=all&x=0&y=0 |
| 13:59.36 | Adys | yeah but all these do is add additional functionality to firebug |
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| 14:00.02 | Adys | its like saying wow is a great game because you can write addons for it |
| 14:00.25 | airtonix | i'm not trying to say its better |
| 14:00.41 | airtonix | i'm saying you don't have to feel out in the cold when testing on firefox |
| 14:00.54 | Jamash | why do people insist on re-inventing LISP? |
| 14:00.59 | Adys | why would i test on firefox |
| 14:01.11 | Jamash | because firefox is a superior browser |
| 14:01.21 | airtonix | people use it |
| 14:01.25 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lets stick a cucumber up to adys' butt |
| 14:01.58 | Adys | airtonix: firefox has a decent rendering engine |
| 14:02.00 | Nobgul | kinky |
| 14:02.03 | Adys | i code on webkit, i know it works on firefox |
| 14:02.08 | Adys | and if it doesnt well you can fuck off |
| 14:02.10 | cremetorte | you mean LISP the programming language? Oo |
| 14:02.16 | Jamash | yes |
| 14:02.39 | cremetorte | what/who is using it concerning to the firefox issue , sorry i didnt really get it |
| 14:02.56 | Jamash | https://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/ |
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| 14:05.02 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2297911 |
| 14:05.03 | Fisker | derp |
| 14:05.20 | Kalroth | Size matters! |
| 14:05.31 | Jamash | my password is "fisker" |
| 14:05.32 | Kalroth | The longer it is, the harder it will be |
| 14:06.46 | Ketho | didnt know you could use leetspeak passwords :s |
| 14:09.29 | cremetorte | true story Kalroth :D |
| 14:09.51 | Fisker | anyway their advice borders on irrelevant almost bad security advice |
| 14:09.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:10.34 | Fisker | anyway in b4 the batshit insane |
| 14:10.51 | Fisker | "zomg why do you take money for securing WoW properly?" |
| 14:11.02 | Ackis | Fisker: I'm in pain :( |
| 14:11.13 | industrial | wtb new wow |
| 14:11.13 | Jamash | step 1, install KeePass, step B, generate 32-character password using uppercase, lowercase, numbers and symbols |
| 14:11.35 | Fisker | why Ackis ? |
| 14:11.40 | Thunder_Child | Step C never play anywhere else |
| 14:11.48 | Jamash | thumbdrive |
| 14:12.02 | industrial | I wouldnt want to play anywhere else but my own install with addons etc :p |
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| 14:12.09 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats secure |
| 14:12.20 | Thunder_Child | might as well just use a secure password then |
| 14:12.22 | Fisker | LOL |
| 14:12.36 | Fisker | someone posted advice on how to decide on a password |
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| 14:12.49 | Jamash | but I only need to remember one secure password for the database |
| 14:12.51 | Fisker | and i guess Blizzard were to derp to realize that he wasn't posting his password |
| 14:12.54 | Fisker | so they deleted it |
| 14:12.58 | Jamash | instead of 100 secure passwords |
| 14:13.30 | cremetorte | nothing is 100 percent secure.. |
| 14:13.55 | industrial | Jamash: and then you give control of your passwords to a company, because it probably has a company behind the app |
| 14:14.03 | Thunder_Child | i dont need to remeber 100 of them, just ones i use often, and not at my computer |
| 14:14.08 | industrial | what if the company gets hacked? |
| 14:14.14 | industrial | like the one ..uh.. lastpass |
| 14:14.15 | Fisker | you need 2 passwords |
| 14:14.16 | Thunder_Child | it's open source |
| 14:14.18 | Jamash | industrial: keepass is a free software |
| 14:14.26 | Fisker | one for secure shit, another for insecure shit |
| 14:14.29 | Jamash | s/ a// |
| 14:14.30 | Fisker | salt it |
| 14:14.30 | Fisker | ??? |
| 14:14.31 | Fisker | profit |
| 14:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe not derp, maybe "in a hurry, misread what was there, deleted a password, oops, wasn't necessary, better safe than sorry" |
| 14:15.01 | industrial | I wouldnt save my users frombeing hacked by them PROVIDING their passwords |
| 14:15.06 | industrial | they should learn the hard way |
| 14:15.08 | industrial | and stop being morons |
| 14:15.18 | industrial | life lessons here :p |
| 14:15.39 | Jamash | shoots industrial with a gun to teach him a life lesson |
| 14:15.51 | industrial | Jamash: whats the lesson? |
| 14:15.57 | Jamash | don't get shot |
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| 14:16.11 | industrial | I can predict that I probably won't in my lifetime living in europe. |
| 14:16.18 | Thunder_Child | wear body armor |
| 14:16.49 | Jamash | what if someone comes at you with a pointed stick? |
| 14:16.51 | Kraps_w | why is it body armor if its just for the chest? |
| 14:17.22 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: there is body armor that protects against that as well somewhat |
| 14:17.23 | industrial | Jamash: I've been stabbed at before, actually. |
| 14:17.29 | Fisker | i got juice Thunder_Child |
| 14:17.31 | Adys | Jamash: isn't getting hit by a pointy stick something that doesn't qualify as "getting shot"? |
| 14:17.45 | Thunder_Child | Kraps_w: because it's still your body |
| 14:17.51 | industrial | Jamash: he didnt even hit me :P |
| 14:17.56 | Thunder_Child | vs. a tank |
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| 14:18.12 | Fisker | do you have any juice Thunder_Child ? |
| 14:18.35 | Thunder_Child | litteral or slang Fisker? |
| 14:19.26 | Kraps_w | Thunder_Child: i read that it took 8 shots by other A1 Abrams tanks to take out another A1 Abrams |
| 14:20.27 | Kraps_w | i mean to completely destroy it |
| 14:20.29 | airtonix | lastpass was a stupid idea lawl |
| 14:20.39 | Fisker | literal Thunder_Child |
| 14:20.41 | Jamash | Adys: http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_scripts/fruit.php |
| 14:21.06 | industrial | Fisker, have some http://i.imgur.com/ByAis.jpg |
| 14:21.21 | industrial | GET IT, GET IT? |
| 14:21.50 | Fisker | no |
| 14:21.55 | airtonix | Kalroth: you a naughty boy |
| 14:21.59 | Fisker | i exterminated all the juice |
| 14:22.15 | Kalroth | airtonix: yeah lolol |
| 14:22.38 | airtonix | you some kind of african? |
| 14:23.22 | Kalroth | i could be |
| 14:23.24 | airtonix | Fisker: this guys is lulz : http://www.youtube.com/user/OGFurious |
| 14:24.54 | Adys | airtonix: i cant believe im actually laughing |
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| 14:25.16 | airtonix | you should see his minecraft one |
| 14:25.45 | Adys | try me |
| 14:29.20 | airtonix | the truth about scientology : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbpMD8UujXs |
| 14:29.25 | airtonix | lolololololol |
| 14:30.44 | Kraps_w | that reminds me: anonymous hacked themselves |
| 14:31.18 | Kraps_w | theres all kinds of DRAMA |
| 14:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | Drama is power, baby. |
| 14:33.12 | Fisker | i once dramaed a guy |
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| 14:34.16 | Kraps_w | Ars must have an insider their because they're coverage of everything Anon is pretty extensive |
| 14:34.36 | Kraps_w | s/their/there/ |
| 14:35.25 | Kraps_w | what the shit |
| 14:36.00 | Kraps_w | i mistyped it all 3 ways |
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| 14:37.52 | Kraps_w | think i need coffee intravenously |
| 14:38.14 | cbreak_work | You don't really need to be an insider to report about attention whores. |
| 14:39.24 | Kraps_w | its all because of the PSN hack |
| 14:39.30 | Kraps_w | damn Sony |
| 14:40.02 | cbreak_work | I'd love to read the post mortem of that intrusion. |
| 14:40.17 | Fisker | hey Kraps_w |
| 14:40.25 | Fisker | it's very fucking soon Google IO time |
| 14:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | I hear they hope to have the service back up before June... |
| 14:40.39 | cbreak_work | I just can't believe that they'd be incompetent enough to store unhashed passwords and credit card numbers on the same server/network as an unpatched apache. |
| 14:40.42 | Fisker | yeah Lopeppeppy |
| 14:40.46 | Fisker | before christmas as well |
| 14:41.04 | airtonix | Fisker: what is so good about gio ? |
| 14:41.28 | Fisker | ice cream airtonix |
| 14:41.32 | Fisker | it's fukken summer yo |
| 14:41.54 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.16 | airtonix | i'm legitimate bro |
| 14:42.18 | Fisker | I'm a gangbanger airtonix |
| 14:42.22 | Fisker | and not the kind that uses a gun |
| 14:42.27 | airtonix | i can't associate with you |
| 14:43.09 | airtonix | i hope you understand |
| 14:43.42 | Fisker | i hope you will understand when i gangbang your mom :( |
| 14:44.19 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cuties.jpg |
| 14:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker. Not funny. |
| 14:45.14 | alestane | I dunno, this pizza guy actually seems kinda cool: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/03-men-are-from-beck-women-are-from-clark/galassos/ |
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| 14:47.21 | bluspacecow | its a cameo or 2 from the guys other comic ShortPacked |
| 14:49.11 | Fisker | shoot me bluspacecow |
| 14:49.18 | bluspacecow | with ? |
| 14:50.28 | Fisker | a chainsaw? |
| 14:50.39 | Kraps_w | poison dart? |
| 14:51.10 | airtonix | Wobin: centrelink are so incompetent |
| 14:51.18 | AcidWeb | REFlex 0.9.5 is out. If anybody care ;p |
| 14:51.28 | Fisker | noone does |
| 14:52.18 | zenzelezz | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/5338167767/a-nugget-of-wisdom-from-an-eastern-spirituality |
| 14:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | I rarely even see any of the content, I just organize it. |
| 14:57.00 | alestane | So apparently Calibiri "makes the text too small to be easily readable. Can we use Arial instead?" |
| 14:57.37 | Fisker | no |
| 14:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | Calibri is a bit more compact than Arial, and has slightly less weight. Otherwise they are nearly identical. |
| 14:59.46 | Fisker | lol arial is fat |
| 14:59.54 | Ackis | Fisker == arial |
| 15:00.02 | Ackis | hey Bibi I'm mad at you! |
| 15:00.13 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 15:00.19 | alestane | Also, it has slightly rounded stems rather than sharp corners. |
| 15:00.25 | Fisker | Ackis = Aryan |
| 15:00.36 | Ackis | is that a font or is that white power? |
| 15:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I only see the pointy ends on Calibri letters like t, and they are very subtle. Arial is indeed more rounded I guess. |
| 15:01.56 | Kraps_w | lol at Fisker taking the "be offensive today" pill |
| 15:02.06 | Fisker | how so Kraps_w ? |
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| 15:02.19 | alestane | Actually, Peppy, it's the other way around. |
| 15:02.21 | Kraps_w | because you are :( |
| 15:02.27 | Fisker | i'm not |
| 15:02.42 | Ackis | Kraps_w: he's always offensive |
| 15:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Not on my screen, alestane. I see the t in Calibri as pointed, round in Arial. |
| 15:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | I guess this is another lesson in how different versions of different programs look different? |
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| 15:03.58 | alestane | Well, I was basing the info of Calibri's roundedness on a description rather than observation, so I won't continue to dispute in the face of empiricism. |
| 15:04.33 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri |
| 15:04.44 | alestane | "The font features subtly rounded stems and corners that are visible at larger sizes." |
| 15:04.53 | Fisker | i'm not telling you anything alestane |
| 15:05.19 | alestane | celebrates! |
| 15:06.17 | Kraps_w | too many words alestane |
| 15:06.31 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 15:06.36 | Fisker | i'm telling you everything then alestane |
| 15:07.35 | Fisker | lets put a timer on this thing so the good guys have 3 minutes to disarm it |
| 15:08.02 | industrial | lets also put a remote control on it, then blow it up right before they cut one of the wires |
| 15:08.23 | Ackis | cremetorte: libbabble boss was just updated with a new package |
| 15:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, I hate insurance companies |
| 15:09.08 | Bluspacecow | and none of the wires will be red , blue or green to really f/**** with their heads |
| 15:09.29 | alestane | Arial is indeed a bit wider and taller at the same point size. |
| 15:11.24 | Ackis | I don't feel good |
| 15:11.37 | Kraps_w | Bluspacecow: Rush Hour has the best pre-wirecutting rhyme ever: roses are red/violets are blue/sugar is sweet/and so are you |
| 15:12.02 | Bluspacecow | thats cause you are eval ackis |
| 15:12.05 | Bluspacecow | EVAL! |
| 15:12.18 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | Just cut the damn wire, and pray. |
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| 15:14.04 | Kraps_w | Lopeppeppy: you even seen that? |
| 15:14.18 | cogwheel | morning |
| 15:14.20 | cremetorte | thanks Ackis |
| 15:17.56 | Fisker | lulz cogwheel |
| 15:17.57 | Fisker | oh god |
| 15:18.07 | Fisker | anyway cogwheel |
| 15:18.17 | Fisker | Ice Cream Sandwich times? |
| 15:19.59 | cogwheel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/minecraft/render-2011-05-10-050441-383.jpg |
| 15:20.02 | cogwheel | imo |
| 15:22.22 | Fisker | who cares cogwheel ? |
| 15:22.31 | cogwheel | u no ur jelly |
| 15:24.29 | alestane | Fortunately, working up versions in other fonts doesn't take very long. |
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| 15:24.36 | alestane | station |
| 15:24.37 | cogwheel | station |
| 15:24.50 | cogwheel | high fives alestane |
| 15:24.58 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:25.05 | Lunessa | so tired. |
| 15:25.11 | Kraps_w | battle stations! |
| 15:25.22 | alestane | Did you get your door issue resolved? |
| 15:27.57 | DWSR | bah. |
| 15:27.58 | Kraps_w | its hot in here, imma take off me clothes |
| 15:28.14 | DWSR | Kraps_w: Yeah. It's only may and we're hitting that point already. I'm such a winter person. |
| 15:28.18 | Bluspacecow | hai2u lunessa |
| 15:28.21 | Fisker | Bluspacecow |
| 15:28.25 | Bluspacecow | \o |
| 15:28.28 | Bluspacecow | i has noms ! |
| 15:28.35 | Lunessa | Yes, the repair guy left at about 12:30PM. |
| 15:28.40 | Ackis | anyone want a gears of war 3 beta code? |
| 15:28.44 | Lunessa | Noms, do want. |
| 15:28.45 | Fisker | no. |
| 15:29.03 | Ackis | not you Fisker you're mean to me so I wouldn't give you it |
| 15:29.06 | Fisker | noone wants a cogwheels of conflict 3 beta code |
| 15:29.09 | Bluspacecow | *giefs rice and tuna with pickles and cup of pumpkin soup* |
| 15:29.10 | Fisker | i wouldn't want it Ackis |
| 15:29.26 | Ackis | I still hurt :( |
| 15:29.31 | industrial | pumpkins :< |
| 15:29.31 | cogwheel | Fisker: that was pretty clever acshually |
| 15:29.41 | DWSR | ackis: Yes. |
| 15:29.42 | industrial | + pumpkin = no |
| 15:29.50 | alestane | AM or PM, Lunessa? By my lights it's 1030 in the morning there still. |
| 15:30.02 | industrial | maybe carve one for halloween, thats as far as Ill go :p |
| 15:30.10 | Lunessa | That should have been AM. I said I was tired. |
| 15:30.10 | DWSR | Bluspacecow: Portal 2? |
| 15:30.14 | Bluspacecow | well then industrial |
| 15:30.16 | cogwheel | alestane: see "so tired." imo ;) |
| 15:30.20 | Bluspacecow | i make it tomatoe for you |
| 15:30.21 | cogwheel | r slow |
| 15:30.30 | Lunessa | Pumpkin soup sounds delicious. |
| 15:30.30 | Bluspacecow | @dwsr in a bit imma eating :) |
| 15:30.35 | DWSR | kk |
| 15:33.43 | Fisker | hey Bluspacecow |
| 15:33.46 | Fisker | it's getting hot in here |
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| 15:33.58 | Bluspacecow | so take off your pants ? |
| 15:34.20 | Ackis | zomg I have 3 active wow accounts for the next 7 days |
| 15:35.06 | Ackis | and my 4th account has 10 days of free wrath trial! :D |
| 15:35.12 | Ackis | time to delete all the toons on those accounts |
| 15:35.19 | Ackis | bye bye bighitbox :( |
| 15:36.35 | Ackis | did you know that you can record youtube video within Rift and have it upload automagically? |
| 15:37.07 | Kraps_w | Ackis: steam? |
| 15:37.18 | Ackis | nope, within the game itself |
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| 15:37.34 | Ackis | the patch today is adding facebook and tumblr support, and it has twitter support (which is kind of lame) |
| 15:37.49 | Kraps_w | clearly, the death of wow |
| 15:38.02 | Ackis | nah |
| 15:38.06 | Ackis | it's a fun game and I'm enjoying it |
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| 15:38.18 | Bluspacecow | patch for rift ackis ? |
| 15:38.20 | Ackis | it's really neat to see what a current generation MMO does |
| 15:38.25 | Ackis | 1.2 is coming out today for Rift |
| 15:38.29 | Ackis | new content, etc |
| 15:38.49 | Ackis | major patch for rift == 30 minutes of downtime |
| 15:38.58 | DWSR | Ackis: Yeah. It's amazing what a codebase that isn't older than jesus can do. |
| 15:39.27 | Kraps_w | Ackis: how current is "current generation"? conan? aion? is rift the first? |
| 15:39.45 | DWSR | I can just imagine how badly spaghetti'd the WoW codebase is. |
| 15:39.50 | industrial | I loved the graphics in conan, fucking epic mountain views etc :p |
| 15:39.55 | Ackis | conan is a few gens old IMO, I never played Aion so I don't know |
| 15:39.59 | industrial | down with cartoon mmo's |
| 15:40.12 | Ackis | I just know that Rift appeals to me that I'm playing it |
| 15:40.30 | Ackis | for example, I did a major invasion (and got an achievement) while we were doing Nefarion last night |
| 15:40.40 | Ackis | I'm that pro that I raid in two MMO's at the same time |
| 15:40.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:40.46 | Kraps_w | haha |
| 15:41.15 | DWSR | can't wait for bulldozer. |
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| 15:41.30 | DWSR | I'm planning to upgrade when it hits. |
| 15:41.34 | Lunessa | http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/may11/05-10CorpNewsPR.mspx |
| 15:41.44 | nevcairiel | bulldozer is overhyped :d |
| 15:41.58 | Fisker | obviously nevcairiel |
| 15:42.01 | Ackis | what's bulldozer? |
| 15:42.04 | Fisker | hopefully AMD will die soon |
| 15:42.18 | nevcairiel | nah, without any competition intel will stop caring |
| 15:42.30 | karl_w_w | when did intel start caring |
| 15:42.40 | Fisker | i'd rather live without competition than live with a company of derps :) |
| 15:42.46 | DWSR | Ackis: Next gen AMD processor design. |
| 15:43.06 | DWSR | I still need to nail down a GPU |
| 15:43.19 | DWSR | recommendations anyone? |
| 15:43.23 | DWSR | I was looking at 465s. |
| 15:43.38 | Fisker | 16 damn minutes |
| 15:43.47 | nevcairiel | 465s? |
| 15:43.57 | Fisker | 465x ithink he meant? |
| 15:44.00 | nevcairiel | if you mean nvidia 465's, they suck |
| 15:44.05 | DWSR | Oh? |
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| 15:44.15 | DWSR | Not going ATI. |
| 15:44.19 | Fisker | phew |
| 15:44.20 | DWSR | I hate their drivers. |
| 15:44.31 | nevcairiel | what you think to get 465s? |
| 15:44.44 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with ATI drivers? |
| 15:44.52 | Lunessa | DWSR: I'm using an nividia 465GTX (OC'ed) - it runs wow like a champion. |
| 15:45.00 | DWSR | karl_w_w: Every experience I've had except for this laptop has been just horrible. |
| 15:45.05 | Fisker | i'm hoping that by the time that nvidia adopts something like display port and with more than 2 outputs that i can get pretty cheap 30" AMOLED displays |
| 15:45.06 | Fisker | :D |
| 15:45.08 | nevcairiel | the 465 is based on the bloated GF100 chip |
| 15:45.11 | nevcairiel | rather get a 460 |
| 15:45.15 | nevcairiel | its probably even faster |
| 15:45.17 | Fisker | get a 570 |
| 15:45.34 | Lunessa | The 460 is probably faster/better price performance. |
| 15:46.06 | Fisker | 14 minutes |
| 15:46.07 | Fisker | bam |
| 15:46.08 | nevcairiel | i got a 570, but its a whole other price segment of course |
| 15:46.18 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah. |
| 15:46.23 | karl_w_w | ATI drivers stopped sucking when they were still called ATI. |
| 15:46.26 | Fisker | what about the new 560? |
| 15:46.32 | Fisker | isn't that out around now? |
| 15:46.47 | nevcairiel | it is, but i stopped following their exact specs after i got my 570 |
| 15:47.04 | DWSR | Recommendations on a manufacturer? |
| 15:47.11 | DWSR | I have an evga in my current box. |
| 15:47.14 | DWSR | Haven't had any issues with it. |
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| 15:47.17 | cogwheel | i like evga |
| 15:47.19 | nevcairiel | I just know that the 460GTX was one of the best cards nvidia produced in that generation |
| 15:47.22 | Lunessa | AMD's video cards haven't ever won any loyalty points from me, but they don't entirely suck for Windows users. |
| 15:47.28 | cogwheel | i've got their 460 GTX SSC |
| 15:47.28 | Parnic | my EVGA 560's fans started groaning about a week after i got it. not happy |
| 15:47.33 | nevcairiel | I have a EVGA myself right now, got gigabyte before, not any issues |
| 15:47.41 | Parnic | err wait, not EVGA...MSI |
| 15:47.41 | cogwheel | Parnic: fluke imo |
| 15:47.46 | Fisker | if it's anything like the 480 situation the reference designs are just rebranded nvidia cards |
| 15:48.15 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: but they do entirely suck when you try to join the linux crowd one day |
| 15:48.47 | Fisker | you can always get the asus directcu cards :D |
| 15:48.51 | Fisker | they're messed up |
| 15:48.57 | Fisker | in a good kind of way |
| 15:48.59 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: one of the reasons I stick with nvidia is for better linux support. |
| 15:49.06 | Fisker | if you like air cooling of course |
| 15:49.34 | cogwheel | DWSR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596 |
| 15:50.17 | DWSR | cogwheel: Me likey. |
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| 15:50.56 | cogwheel | i have mine set at 1920x1200, 2x multisampling, every wow setting maxed except realtime shadows and get a smooth 60fps with vsync enabled |
| 15:51.40 | cogwheel | (shadows at 1 or 2 notches down from max is a huge perf difference for little visual change) |
| 15:51.52 | nevcairiel | shadows are mostly CPU load, fwiw |
| 15:52.02 | nevcairiel | but yeah, they eat basically every system at max .p |
| 15:52.04 | cogwheel | i have a quad core sandy bridge |
| 15:52.33 | mikma | lol nub |
| 15:52.36 | nevcairiel | so do i, and i have a 570, and it wasnt enough in busy situations, like stormwind |
| 15:52.42 | nevcairiel | god damn shadows :P |
| 15:52.46 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:52.49 | Fisker | anyway 7 minutes |
| 15:52.50 | Nobgul | My pc runs to hot to crank the setting, my gts450 overheats. I even put a extra fan in the case but no go. |
| 15:53.23 | cogwheel | wonder if it's a driver issue. maybe it's not running the gpu's fan properly? |
| 15:53.38 | Lunessa | I only get worried about heat when I launch a second copy of WoW and the GPU goes into overdrive. |
| 15:53.50 | Nobgul | There is only 1 fan and its set to high at all times. |
| 15:53.58 | Fisker | try running gpuz |
| 15:54.01 | cogwheel | weird |
| 15:54.06 | Bluspacecow | @DWSR bam! |
| 15:54.21 | Fisker | also if you haven't updated your nvidia drivers in like a year you might have the ones where thermal control failed |
| 15:54.23 | Nobgul | I thought it was a issue with dirvers as well, but i have updated and it happens in linux as well as windows. |
| 15:54.30 | Fisker | yeah ok |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | may just be a very clogged heatsink then |
| 15:54.49 | karl_w_w | i dont know why anybody on windows would get a 460 when they could get a 6870 |
| 15:54.56 | nevcairiel | maybe you got one of those failed manufac redesigns :d |
| 15:55.01 | Nobgul | It may be lol |
| 15:55.24 | Fisker | i don't know why anybody would get a 4-digit graphics card karl_w_w |
| 15:55.25 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: i dunno why anyone would want to get a ATI when they could get a NVIDIA |
| 15:55.39 | Nobgul | Fisker, what would gpuz do for me? |
| 15:55.46 | Fisker | check the fan control |
| 15:55.50 | Fisker | and the temps of course |
| 15:56.04 | Nobgul | let me try it. |
| 15:56.19 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: I don't know why anybody would think every gpu discussion has to be nvidia vs ati |
| 15:56.21 | Nobgul | Should i be using the nvidia drivers from the site or something 3rd party? |
| 15:56.51 | nevcairiel | official drivers from official nvidia site |
| 15:57.46 | Nobgul | Just wondering, i saw a set of drivers on the tech power up site |
| 15:57.59 | nevcairiel | 270.61 should be latest |
| 15:58.00 | alestane | ~wowalerts |
| 15:58.00 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 15:58.24 | nevcairiel | extended maintenance, anything going on? :d |
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| 15:59.03 | olafski | 4.2 duh |
| 15:59.05 | Fisker | 1 minute left |
| 15:59.13 | alestane | Oh right, it IS Tuesday. |
| 15:59.15 | nevcairiel | whats at 18:00 fisker? |
| 15:59.32 | Nobgul | its running way hot. |
| 15:59.51 | Nobgul | 119F |
| 15:59.52 | karl_w_w | that's the beauty of nvidia |
| 16:00.01 | Fisker | omg i am going to cum |
| 16:00.02 | karl_w_w | they like to melt... wait thats not a good thing |
| 16:00.03 | Fisker | google io nevcairiel |
| 16:00.07 | Fisker | BAM |
| 16:00.25 | Nobgul | aparently it says the fan speed is only 20% |
| 16:00.30 | nevcairiel | the 450 is fine, i have one with gigabytes custom windforce cooler, its super silent and very cool |
| 16:00.35 | karl_w_w | "Io is the innermost of the four Galilean moons of the planet Jupiter and, with a diameter of 3642 kilometres (2263 mi), the fourth-largest moon in the Solar ..." ? |
| 16:00.50 | DWSR | Ackis |
| 16:00.53 | nevcairiel | Nobgul: you didnt play around with your fan control settings in the control panel, did you? |
| 16:00.56 | DWSR | I forgot how much I hate GoW because of the melee.\ |
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| 16:01.03 | Fisker | http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html |
| 16:01.06 | Kraps_w | Solar pizza karl_w_w |
| 16:01.12 | Nobgul | nevcairiel, most likely no, I am looking for them now, and can't even find them |
| 16:01.28 | cogwheel | fail google is fail |
| 16:01.40 | nevcairiel | i think you actually need to install some extra thing to access them. :P |
| 16:01.41 | Fisker | no you cogwheel |
| 16:01.42 | cogwheel | "an error occurred. please try again later" overlayed over theworking video |
| 16:01.50 | karl_w_w | google became fail years ago now |
| 16:02.00 | Fisker | you know what's fail cogwheel ? |
| 16:02.01 | Lunessa | "All these worlds are yours, save Io." |
| 16:02.03 | Fisker | the HTML 5 logo |
| 16:02.07 | Fisker | i mean come on |
| 16:02.10 | Nobgul | im getting the newer driver anyway. although i think its the same im using as per the release date |
| 16:02.25 | Fisker | looks like something that would've been designed for a man in tights |
| 16:02.28 | Bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/lR5Xn.jpg |
| 16:03.21 | Fisker | so basically Google is calling out people on being foreveralone.jpg :( |
| 16:03.54 | Fisker | zomg android |
| 16:04.01 | Nobgul | nevcairiel, any clue where the fan speed control is at, or do i need something like rivatuner? |
| 16:04.23 | karl_w_w | mmmm, river tuna |
| 16:06.22 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/05/google-image-search-clustering.html |
| 16:07.52 | Adys | did he just say Pulse? |
| 16:08.05 | Fisker | yus |
| 16:08.57 | cogwheel | fap fap fap |
| 16:09.06 | Fisker | i want some icecream though |
| 16:09.31 | Fisker | nom nom nom |
| 16:09.42 | Fisker | http://music.google.com/ |
| 16:09.44 | Fisker | dicks btw |
| 16:09.46 | Fisker | us only :( |
| 16:09.54 | Fisker | YOU SAY ITS A STORAGE SERVICE ONLY |
| 16:10.01 | Fisker | that means no licensing bullshit |
| 16:10.07 | Adys | is that from today? |
| 16:10.17 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:10.25 | Fisker | they haven't announced it yet |
| 16:10.30 | Fisker | but NYTimes said earlier it would come up today |
| 16:10.40 | Lunessa | Ackis: "From a friend visiting from Canada after the elections: Toronto likes to believe it's the New York of Canada, but really it's Houston." - Just seen on Twitter. I think I'm insulted? |
| 16:10.41 | Fisker | anyway |
| 16:10.48 | Fisker | i was hoping we could all participate |
| 16:10.50 | Fisker | but i guess not :< |
| 16:11.58 | Fisker | YES |
| 16:11.59 | Fisker | YUUUUUUUS |
| 16:12.50 | Adys | lol |
| 16:12.58 | Fisker | give icecream |
| 16:13.01 | Fisker | ooh |
| 16:13.07 | sylvanaar_work | such a fanboi |
| 16:13.23 | Fisker | how so sylvanaar_work ? |
| 16:14.00 | sylvanaar_work | "YUUUUUUUS", "give icecream", "ooh" |
| 16:14.03 | Fisker | oh no |
| 16:14.06 | Adys | haha |
| 16:14.11 | Fisker | i hate those icecream sandwiches |
| 16:14.14 | Adys | man im hungry. |
| 16:14.24 | cogwheel | Android will make you fat |
| 16:15.58 | Fisker | i hope they finally launch google tv in europe then |
| 16:16.29 | sylvanaar_work | have they made a PAL version? |
| 16:16.31 | Adys | thats like google fax |
| 16:16.40 | Fisker | PAL version? |
| 16:16.46 | Adys | ~fisker-- |
| 16:16.52 | sylvanaar_work | oh im showing my age |
| 16:17.01 | Adys | sylvanaar_work: you're not, im younger than Fisker |
| 16:17.11 | Fisker | i know what it is |
| 16:17.17 | Fisker | i just know it isn't relevant anymore |
| 16:17.18 | Fisker | bam |
| 16:17.22 | Adys | right |
| 16:17.23 | Adys | you googled it |
| 16:17.27 | Fisker | lol no |
| 16:17.32 | Adys | ~fisker-- |
| 16:18.06 | Adys | oh that is sweet |
| 16:18.16 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:18.36 | Adys | see this is why i love these guys |
| 16:18.37 | Fisker | 2 iProducts there though |
| 16:18.38 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 16:19.00 | cogwheel | ~karma Fisker |
| 16:19.00 | purl | fisker has karma of 14 |
| 16:19.14 | Fisker | i can't be stopped cogwheel |
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| 16:20.25 | Fisker | just not in denmark :( |
| 16:20.46 | sylvanaar_work | "Something's rotten..." |
| 16:20.59 | Fisker | they just launched it on youtube earlier |
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| 16:22.07 | Adys | what i cant believe is that movie renting is still a viable market |
| 16:22.18 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:22.25 | sylvanaar_work | it was nice for plane trips |
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| 16:22.35 | Dagmar | Redbox == awesome |
| 16:22.51 | Adys | so you take a plane trip, and you think "What the hell,I havent paid enough for my ticket, let's pay some more" |
| 16:22.57 | cogwheel | no |
| 16:23.05 | cogwheel | you think "i'm bored i want to watch a movie but don't have one on me" |
| 16:23.11 | Fisker | i thought planes had in-flight entertainment systems |
| 16:23.18 | Adys | they do Fisker |
| 16:23.18 | sylvanaar_work | oh god |
| 16:23.19 | cogwheel | it's about instant gratification |
| 16:23.28 | Adys | and honestly |
| 16:23.28 | sylvanaar_work | depends on what class you fly |
| 16:23.29 | Bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 16:23.35 | Dagmar | I'd be thinking "I'm bored but the TSA would have all kinds of paranoid things to say about me carrying a DVD on the plane with me" |
| 16:23.39 | Adys | renting movies, i mean seriously |
| 16:23.44 | Bluspacecow | i would ask then how many benjamens for a blow job in flight |
| 16:23.46 | Adys | you dont rent books |
| 16:23.53 | cogwheel | Adys: ever been to a library? |
| 16:24.00 | Wobin | you wouldn't download a car! |
| 16:24.01 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 16:24.02 | Adys | libraries in my country dont rent |
| 16:24.08 | schnoggo | Adys: look away from the Google. It burns! :p |
| 16:24.10 | Fisker | i would Wobin |
| 16:24.16 | Dagmar | THey loan 'em out for free. : |
| 16:24.16 | Bluspacecow | @wobin silly ozzie |
| 16:24.16 | Wobin | nor in mine... |
| 16:24.21 | Bluspacecow | you can't download a ar |
| 16:24.22 | Dagmar | Redbox is $1/day |
| 16:24.23 | Wobin | unless you are late in returning |
| 16:24.27 | Adys | yep Wobin |
| 16:24.31 | cogwheel | they rent it to you for free |
| 16:24.34 | Fisker | new wifi/data icon i see :o |
| 16:24.39 | Wobin | rent implies payment |
| 16:24.46 | Adys | cogwheel: rent means you pay something |
| 16:24.54 | cogwheel | Adys: have you ever gone to the movies? |
| 16:24.59 | cogwheel | you're renting a seat |
| 16:25.04 | sylvanaar_work | did you just say "a new icon..." |
| 16:25.04 | Adys | so? |
| 16:25.07 | Adys | you're renting space |
| 16:25.15 | cogwheel | what's the difference from renting the viewing of the movie? |
| 16:25.22 | Dagmar | You're not renting a seat |
| 16:25.25 | Adys | you're renting an actual experience |
| 16:25.32 | Lunessa | If it were to cost $250 million to produce a single book, then perhaps we'd see them rented out instead of loaned. |
| 16:25.37 | Dagmar | You're purchasing the rights to view a showing of the film. |
| 16:25.38 | cogwheel | so watching a movie on your pad isn't an actual experience? |
| 16:25.56 | cogwheel | Adys: you know, some people in the world have different goals then you |
| 16:26.09 | Adys | what the fuck with the attitude, dude? |
| 16:26.21 | Dagmar | If going to the theatre were merely renting a seat, we'd be getting charged even more because we'd be charged for the seat, and then again for being able to watch the movie |
| 16:26.24 | cogwheel | you're teh one who started asking why anyone would do <something differently from me> |
| 16:26.29 | Fisker | anyway Adys |
| 16:26.35 | Dagmar | ...or more likely they' |
| 16:26.44 | Fisker | explain why i have to wait months or years for a service to launch over here? |
| 16:26.48 | Adys | cogwheel: i take you down on two points and you start giving me shit about "people in the world have different goals than me"? |
| 16:26.49 | Fisker | damn technologically black hole |
| 16:27.00 | Dagmar | ...or more likely they'd just start suing everyone leaving the theater for $25,000 for unauthorized viewing of the movie |
| 16:27.07 | cogwheel | Adys: "take you down?" no... we're misunderstanding each other but that's separate |
| 16:27.21 | cogwheel | maybe i'm not being clear enough |
| 16:27.29 | cogwheel | i'm just tryig to consolidate my point |
| 16:27.52 | Adys | you're not consolidating shit by trying to insult me |
| 16:27.52 | Dagmar | Mm.... Imagery. |
| 16:28.09 | Kraps_w | eyes Dagmar |
| 16:28.12 | cogwheel | Adys: if i insulted you, then you insulted everyone who thinks renting a movie is a good idea first |
| 16:28.25 | Dagmar | Adys: Renting movies has made sense for some time. Blockbuster and Hollywood Video were just working real hard to make it make as little sense as possible is all |
| 16:28.44 | Adys | cogwheel: i wasn't trying to consolidate a point. the difference between you and i in this situation is i dont pretend not to be a smartass |
| 16:29.00 | cogwheel | 09:22 < Adys> so you take a plane trip, and you think "What the hell,I havent paid enough for my ticket, let's pay some more" |
| 16:29.04 | Adys | Dagmar: Yeha i can see that |
| 16:29.05 | cogwheel | nope not smart assy at all |
| 16:29.10 | cogwheel | </sarcasm> |
| 16:29.10 | schnoggo | man adys. Way to be another sort of ass |
| 16:29.16 | Adys | cogwheel: have you read what i said? |
| 16:29.21 | Adys | i said i was being a smartass |
| 16:29.25 | Dagmar | Adys: Personally, I'll be glad to see both of them permafail |
| 16:30.08 | Dagmar | THere's not really any sane way those guys could be losing money unless they were grievously mismanaging things |
| 16:30.20 | Kraps_w | what if the gvmnt turns off the internet? |
| 16:30.34 | Adys | it's complete bullshit the sort of restrictions put on renters |
| 16:30.37 | Dagmar | Kraps: Then we all just open our APs and let routing handle the rest |
| 16:30.46 | Adys | "you have 24 hours to watch the movie once you start it" |
| 16:30.49 | Adys | i mean what? |
| 16:30.50 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes |
| 16:30.51 | Fisker | it's ok Kraps_w we know where their linksys wrt54g router is |
| 16:30.53 | Adys | you rent for a month |
| 16:31.09 | Dagmar | Adys: Start what? |
| 16:31.12 | Adys | if i rent something for a month, i expect to be able to run it in a loop 24/7 on my pc |
| 16:31.23 | Adys | Dagmar: from AMM restrictions |
| 16:31.27 | Dagmar | AMM? |
| 16:31.32 | Adys | android movie market |
| 16:31.36 | Adys | once you start the movie you have 24 hours to finish it |
| 16:31.42 | Dagmar | Ohh... That's another thing entirely. |
| 16:31.46 | Adys | wow |
| 16:31.51 | Adys | this guy is doing the Creep. |
| 16:32.11 | Adys | haha, win |
| 16:32.13 | Fisker | google music is free in beta |
| 16:32.17 | Dagmar | They've probably got it set up that way because they pay the rights holder every time someone watches it |
| 16:32.17 | Fisker | so that means it's free forever |
| 16:32.22 | Fisker | highfives Shirik |
| 16:32.23 | Adys | Fisker: i get it. |
| 16:32.54 | Adys | Dagmar: that still doesnt make it right |
| 16:32.55 | Zyn | my face when I have never gotten jewtube streaming to work |
| 16:33.15 | Dagmar | Without clearly defining what constitutes one "viewing" they'd be hard pressed to say someone watched something more than once if they saw it every two months, or left it looping, or that they only watched it once if they watched half and then picked up from there again in two weeks' time |
| 16:33.17 | Fisker | i hate those damn US only services though :( |
| 16:33.19 | Fisker | jerks = jerks |
| 16:33.51 | Adys | Fisker: google music has been up and running in asia for years |
| 16:33.52 | Fisker | wooo |
| 16:33.54 | Adys | US can suck it :P |
| 16:33.58 | Dagmar | Now, if they were charging you double for looking at it with *both eyes* (you absolute glutton!) THEN it would be unfair |
| 16:33.59 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:34.02 | Fisker | i want it in europe Adys |
| 16:34.05 | cogwheel | I hear "i can't do whatever i want with things i don't own therefore it's bad" |
| 16:34.16 | Adys | what the fuck cogwheel? |
| 16:34.33 | Adys | if i rent something for 30 days, i own it for 30 days (to a point) |
| 16:34.54 | Fisker | i liked how Motorola wasn't part of the new android update initiative |
| 16:34.55 | Adys | what is it with you defending this? |
| 16:35.02 | Adys | Fisker: MS deals |
| 16:35.06 | sylvanaar_work | lol 18 months |
| 16:35.06 | Dagmar | Adys: Do they charge you more if you watch it three times in that 30 days? |
| 16:35.12 | Fisker | anyway updates for the next 18 months as long as the hardware supports it |
| 16:35.13 | Fisker | woo |
| 16:35.22 | Adys | Dagmar: i dont know, im guessing you cant watch it more than once |
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| 16:35.36 | Dagmar | Adys: ...or are they just basically issuing you a rental credit that's good for 30 days? |
| 16:35.46 | Adys | i dont know |
| 16:35.54 | Mischanix | Is OnEvent fired asynchronously? |
| 16:35.55 | Dagmar | That would be somehting to look into then |
| 16:35.57 | Adys | but anything that could result from the turn of phrase he used is absolute bs |
| 16:36.30 | Adys | Mischanix: asynchronously from the rest of the code; but you'll still block the game if you run something that blocks lua runtime |
| 16:36.47 | Dagmar | Oooh they have that last Harry Potter I skipped |
| 16:36.48 | cogwheel | Adys: any time you rent anything, you're subject to a rental agreement. You dismiss "to a point" as if it's trivial when it's exactly what I'm trying to illustrate |
| 16:36.54 | cogwheel | You have a concept of what it means to rent something |
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| 16:37.04 | Fisker | :O |
| 16:37.08 | Adys | what the hell i turn my head like one second |
| 16:37.20 | Kraps_w | Dagmar: year 6 or year 7 pt 1? |
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| 16:37.28 | cogwheel | and you're imposing that concept on uniformely just because they used the word "rent" |
| 16:37.29 | Adys | cogwheel: stop defending BS terms of use. |
| 16:37.44 | cogwheel | i'm not defending it |
| 16:37.44 | Dagmar | I dunno. Deathly Hallows pt 1. I thought that was the next to last one |
| 16:37.44 | Adys | just because things are legal doesnt make them right |
| 16:37.44 | cogwheel | i'm pointing out your fallacy |
| 16:37.57 | Kraps_w | Dagmar: it is, pt 2 is soon |
| 16:37.58 | Adys | what fallacy? |
| 16:38.02 | Fisker | oh wat |
| 16:38.07 | Mischanix | Adys: So if I parse two combat log events in realtime that occur and arrive nearly simultaneously there's no guarantee one will know about the other, yeah? |
| 16:38.07 | Adys | im defending consumer rights |
| 16:38.29 | cogwheel | aww how cute |
| 16:38.33 | Fisker | that was kind of a stupid minigame |
| 16:38.35 | Adys | Mischanix: youd have to ask iriel or something |
| 16:38.37 | Dagmar | Mischanix: In that case afaik you're not even guaranteed they'll arrive in order |
| 16:38.47 | cogwheel | powah to teh people |
| 16:38.56 | foxlit | combat log is a lie. |
| 16:38.56 | cogwheel | is done |
| 16:38.58 | Adys | cogwheel: fuck off, you're not defending a point, you're trolling |
| 16:39.06 | Adys | at least admit it when you are. |
| 16:39.34 | Mischanix | foxlit: Are the serverside timestamps sent accurate at least? |
| 16:39.43 | Wobin | If he admits it, it's a less effective troll |
| 16:39.44 | Dagmar | Bleh. I'd have to make an account to view the rental agreement text. too much work. |
| 16:39.45 | sylvanaar_work | arduino thats cool |
| 16:39.45 | cogwheel | "aww how cute" and "powah to teh people" were trolling, yes. I admit it. |
| 16:39.47 | Wobin | look at Fisker =) |
| 16:39.48 | foxlit | There are no server-side timestamps |
| 16:39.54 | Mischanix | Beautiful. |
| 16:40.33 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:40.41 | Fisker | now i can play that tilt games without using my fine motor skills |
| 16:40.51 | Adys | cogwheel: there you go then. as i said, what im defending is consumer right. i have NO REASON to get pissed off at movie rentals because it's something i don't do, period |
| 16:40.56 | Fisker | i never troll Wobin |
| 16:41.00 | Mischanix | so the timestamp in the event is clientside? |
| 16:41.09 | foxlit | I believe so. |
| 16:41.16 | Adys | cogwheel: i find it absolutely ridiculous that someone could impose something like this to the consumers |
| 16:41.20 | Fisker | looks like that place from inception with the stairs :o |
| 16:41.28 | Ackis | Fisker: I still hurt :( |
| 16:41.31 | foxlit | The absorb/overkill/overheal numbers are client-side too. |
| 16:41.44 | Fisker | you jelly broseph Ackis ? |
| 16:41.44 | cogwheel | Adys: there is nothing imposed on you unless you were forced to rent it. nothing is being violated |
| 16:41.48 | cogwheel | you're just playing up victimhood |
| 16:41.55 | Ackis | no not jelly |
| 16:41.58 | Adys | im not fucking saying anything is forced |
| 16:41.58 | Ackis | just hurted |
| 16:42.12 | Dagmar | Acutally I suspect it's more a matter of being angry that the rental agreement is bizarrely defined |
| 16:42.15 | Adys | im saying the rental agreement terms are complete BS |
| 16:42.38 | cogwheel | and that's my point |
| 16:42.47 | cogwheel | they aren't bs, you just don't happen to agree with them |
| 16:42.56 | cogwheel | you are free not to agree, and you are free not to rent |
| 16:42.59 | Fisker | LOL |
| 16:43.02 | Fisker | larger accessory |
| 16:43.03 | Adys | nice |
| 16:43.04 | Fisker | look at his hair |
| 16:43.09 | cogwheel | other people think they're fine |
| 16:43.11 | Fisker | that's one big accessory |
| 16:43.21 | cogwheel | and by calling them complete BS you are trolling everyone who doesn't think they're complete BS |
| 16:43.33 | sylvanaar_work | what a bad toupee |
| 16:43.34 | amro | cogwheel: that's another fallacy- "the product isn't bad, you just don't like it" |
| 16:43.40 | Adys | cogwheel: just because you think they're fine doesn't make them not right either. |
| 16:43.42 | Xinhuan | Mischanix, combat logs events are not guaranteed to be in the order they occured in |
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| 16:43.48 | cogwheel | amro: that's not a fallacy |
| 16:43.50 | Dagmar | Now... I *will* say that claiming "you're free not to rent" is a particularly lame argument |
| 16:43.55 | Fisker | wtf |
| 16:44.03 | Mischanix | Xinhuan: Will the timestamp that comes with the event be ordered properly though? |
| 16:44.04 | Bluspacecow | heh |
| 16:44.12 | Bluspacecow | US Realms are up early >_> |
| 16:44.14 | amro | cogwheel: sure it is in this case, you're making the assumption |
| 16:44.15 | Adys | LOL this guy is creepy |
| 16:44.16 | Xinhuan | no, that time stamp is your computer's local time stamp |
| 16:44.23 | Xinhuan | and has nothing to do with the server |
| 16:44.28 | Mischanix | That sucks. Alot. |
| 16:44.33 | Xinhuan | oh i know |
| 16:44.34 | Adys | "Yes I wooouuulld..." |
| 16:44.42 | Dagmar | Crappy and onerous licencing terms are one of the ways monopolists slowly change the nature of the traditional way of doing things to skew it more in their favor |
| 16:44.44 | Xinhuan | i used to parse the combat log for omen :P |
| 16:44.54 | cogwheel | amro: what assumption? |
| 16:44.59 | Adys | cogwheel: what Dagmar said |
| 16:45.07 | Xinhuan | further more, unit_health is throtlled to once every 0.3 seconds |
| 16:45.08 | Cide | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 16:45.10 | Xinhuan | on server side |
| 16:45.17 | sylvanaar_work | i want to pull this guy's toupee off |
| 16:45.21 | Xinhuan | and threat events are throttled to every 1.0 seconds |
| 16:45.25 | amro | cogwheel: that the product is alright because others are okay with it -> [12:43[12:43] <cogwheel> other people think they're fine] <cogwheel> other people think they're fine |
| 16:45.28 | Xinhuan | so those aren't synced with combat log either |
| 16:45.44 | Dagmar | I keep getting people trying to tell me "You're free to not use them" when I carp about Sprint assigning extra monthly fees to customers, strictly on the basis of the customer owns a fancy phone and can probably afford it |
| 16:45.45 | Mischanix | Trying to formulate a way to mathematically find a mistake based on combat log events and relevant pollable data. So much of it in theory is dependent on very accurate time data though. |
| 16:45.45 | amro | you're basically saying, nuh-uh! which is not an argument at all |
| 16:45.50 | cogwheel | amro: umm... not an assumption... |
| 16:45.53 | foxlit | Xinhuan: there's now a UNIT_HEALTH_AWESOME |
| 16:45.58 | Dagmar | foxlit: lol |
| 16:45.58 | foxlit | which is apparently throttled less |
| 16:46.04 | Xinhuan | there are also a few other known cases of 2 events having race conditions |
| 16:46.04 | cogwheel | there are millions of people who rent things under similar terms without feeling wronged |
| 16:46.12 | Adys | im sorry -- who? |
| 16:46.13 | foxlit | [that is not the actual event name.] |
| 16:46.16 | cogwheel | this is not a new business model |
| 16:46.28 | Xinhuan | ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA and GetRealZoneText() have race conditions |
| 16:46.34 | Dagmar | I suspect that practically no one gives a flying f**k about the rental terms |
| 16:46.34 | cogwheel | but that misses the point entirely |
| 16:46.35 | amro | cogwheel: yes. they don't feel wronged. that doesn't make the service great |
| 16:46.45 | cogwheel | amro: who said "great"? |
| 16:46.46 | Xinhuan | and the only solution is to use an OnUpdate for it |
| 16:46.50 | cogwheel | I said peolpe were fine with it |
| 16:46.53 | amro | cogwheel: or rather, not bs |
| 16:47.09 | Adys | cogwheel: the moment you said that just because i think it's bs doesn't MAKE it bs |
| 16:47.12 | amro | cogwheel: true, but that doesn't fight any claims of it being subpar |
| 16:47.13 | cogwheel | but that misses my point entirely |
| 16:47.23 | cogwheel | EXfuckingACTLY |
| 16:47.36 | Adys | cogwheel: the moment you said that just because i think it's bs doesn't MAKE it bs, you also have to think that just because YOU think it's fine doesn't make it fine |
| 16:47.36 | Dagmar | If anyone ever looked at things closely, Blockbuster and Hollywood have _for years_ had buried in the fine print that when you rent a movie, you rent it just for you. Technically wathcing it with your friends is an unauthorized use of the rented media |
| 16:47.38 | cogwheel | I'm not claiming Adys is wrong that it's sub-par |
| 16:47.47 | Xinhuan | the main thing is that the combat log is just that - a log, that isn't necessarily accurate |
| 16:47.49 | Adys | ok well what the hell is the problem then? |
| 16:47.53 | Dagmar | Of course, they'd really had to way to enforce that |
| 16:47.57 | cogwheel | i'm claiming that adys is wrong for making a blanket statement tat it's BS, and implying that anyone who would accept the terms is silly |
| 16:48.05 | Xinhuan | and it doesn't play an important part of the default UI |
| 16:48.07 | cogwheel | WHETHER IT'S BS OR NOT |
| 16:48.10 | Mischanix | There was also this brief flicker that I could interpolate positioning data by triangulating the timings of spell and auto attack hits with the maximum range of those abilities. No intent to code such a thing, but pondering the possibility is fun |
| 16:48.14 | foxlit | Xinhuan: one wonders what an inaccurate log is used for :) |
| 16:48.20 | Dagmar | "implying that anyone who would accept the terms is silly" <-- this is wrong |
| 16:48.22 | Adys | cogwheel: ... so basically you're just here to tell me how to express my statements? |
| 16:48.23 | Adys | fuck off mate. |
| 16:48.25 | Xinhuan | blizzard only implements stuff that they want in the default UI |
| 16:48.46 | Mischanix | Yeah, that's apparent. |
| 16:48.48 | Xinhuan | and it doesn't use the combat log for the default UI other than a display that people rarely read |
| 16:49.00 | Dagmar | it's reasonable to want to rent a movie. If the only place it can be done from is hostile and unreasonable, being subject to their monopolistic terms doesn't make you silly, it means they're crooks |
| 16:49.16 | TC-Laptop | i am way to tired to be at work today, as i wrote this to a client "It would be more helpful in the future if you would have us do the removal as we have developed an approach that removes everything delectable to date." |
| 16:49.27 | Dagmar | TC: Delicious |
| 16:49.28 | Wobin | Mmm |
| 16:49.36 | Wobin | delectable =P |
| 16:49.45 | Xinhuan | also, you shouldn't even try anything like interpolating position data |
| 16:49.51 | Xinhuan | because lagspikes will throw you off |
| 16:49.53 | Mischanix | Oh I know |
| 16:50.09 | Mischanix | I was just thinking if the timestamps given were accurate at all, ... |
| 16:50.16 | sylvanaar_work | lol touch the CD to the ball |
| 16:50.18 | Mischanix | operating on assumptions is fun :P |
| 16:50.20 | Lunessa | Rental of media is not a new idea - people can argue the limits and terms of the deal and the marketplace will decide what's acceptable. For example the DVDx rental format failed utterly because no one wanted to pay $4 for the disc, $400 for a player and $1 each time they watched a film. |
| 16:50.23 | Xinhuan | lol, even if they were... |
| 16:50.25 | Adys | cogwheel: if you want to talk about actual opinions, feel free to ping me about it, you can even troll about it i wont mind. but if you're just going to try tell me how to argue, you're going to get hell for it |
| 16:50.48 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah but if Sony got behind it there'd be no choice |
| 16:50.51 | Mischanix | if they were I'd still have to account for a certain lag tolerance that the server gives for ability ranges. |
| 16:51.21 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That fails the sniff-test. Sony is not the only place to get movies. |
| 16:51.28 | sylvanaar_work | OMG LOL |
| 16:51.35 | Dagmar | How many people like the idea that they've acutually paid a few dollars extra on their video card and television with HDMI connectors, just so the hardware can "assure" that you aren't this very moment, STEALING MEDIA |
| 16:51.36 | Fisker | omg sylvanaar_work |
| 16:51.52 | sylvanaar_work | wtf curse "One lucky Saints Row fan will win a free rim job at #E3: http://cot.ag/m75zdJ" |
| 16:52.05 | Mischanix | And the default floating combat text is in C, right? |
| 16:52.07 | Wobin | ahahaha |
| 16:52.12 | Fisker | nice sylvanaar |
| 16:52.12 | Xinhuan | probably |
| 16:52.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It's amazing what kind of stunts monopolists can and will pull when noe one's watching closely |
| 16:52.21 | Fisker | i'd like a free job at RIM as well sylvanaar_work |
| 16:52.23 | Mischanix | Abstracted regardless. |
| 16:52.25 | sylvanaar_work | @cursenetwork on twitter just now |
| 16:52.38 | Fisker | zomg |
| 16:52.51 | Dagmar | Luness: By the same token, there's similar shit going on with firewire ports on cable boxes. The FCC said they have to be available for people paying for digital cable |
| 16:53.00 | Kraps_w | insights from Zarhym http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/174580/everytime-zarhym-makes-a-new-toon |
| 16:53.11 | cogwheel | Adys: i'm not telling you how to argue, i'm telling you that the way you're arguing is bad. if you want to take it as a lesson and improve your technique, that's fine, but i have no expectation. It's not my fault you can't differentiate between arguing about the inherent merits of the agreement and arguing abuot whether anyone should be OK with it |
| 16:53.24 | Adys | [17:53:09] <cogwheel> Adys: i'm not telling you how to argue, i'm telling you that the way you're arguing is bad. |
| 16:53.32 | Adys | shakes head |
| 16:53.43 | cogwheel | Adys: i'm not commanding you to argue differently (telling you how to argue) |
| 16:53.45 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The cable companies and content monopolists feel that you shouldn't be allowed to watch anything without someone paying money into their HDCP kitty, so for the majority of the US< that firewire port lets you change channels and that's all |
| 16:53.49 | cogwheel | i'm pointing out flaws in your argument. |
| 16:53.54 | cogwheel | you can do with that information as you please |
| 16:54.03 | Zyn | "12:52PM Google's pimping the Galaxy Tab 10.1 Limited Edition. 1GHz dual-core CPU, 32GB onboard, 1GB of RAM, and Android 3.0. It's launching in a month, and everyone here's getting one!" |
| 16:54.06 | Zyn | im jelly |
| 16:54.33 | Dagmar | So it's really _quite easy_ for companies to lock away things that would normally be perfectly legal, and hide them behind a wall of legalese and patents, and then charge you to get them back |
| 16:54.34 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm not surprised. The nature of greed. People will argue any deal to their advantage only. A good deal is one where both parties feel like they put one over on the other. |
| 16:54.37 | Adys | cogwheel: ok, fine, want a tip of my own? Next time you try giving advice to someone, give advice to someone. don't disguise it as an opinion and slowly evolve it into a tip, going through phases of trolling and insults |
| 16:54.48 | cogwheel | Adys: no... |
| 16:54.58 | Adys | yes |
| 16:54.59 | cogwheel | you didn't understand me in the first place so all the rest of the discussion was trying to clarify |
| 16:55.05 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Excepting that things have for the last 20 years crept only in one direction--favoring the monopolists |
| 16:55.49 | cogwheel | (i'm not saying it's your fault you didn't understand, either) |
| 16:55.52 | Dagmar | People may attempt to modify a deal for their own benefit, or they may opt for equal benefit, and if they can't get better they'll probably deal anyway |
| 16:56.08 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm not sure I entirely agree, but I concede that it may be that way. |
| 16:56.09 | Adys | cogwheel: that's what you said. you could've come up to me saying "You really should be clear about your opinion instead of plain saying it's BS". you didn't, you went on for half an hour telling me "aww how cute" when i said i was defending consumers |
| 16:56.20 | Dagmar | Corporations will _always_ attempt to modify a deal to improve it's benefit to themselves, and frequntly _won't deal at all_ if htey don't get their way |
| 16:56.21 | cogwheel | but because i couldn't make you see we were talking about two different things you got all defensive and pissy |
| 16:56.30 | Dagmar | See also: Why the fuck can't I buy mp3s properly |
| 16:56.40 | cogwheel | you assumed you understood where i was coming from |
| 16:56.53 | cogwheel | and given that assumption i see why you reacted that way |
| 16:57.27 | Dagmar | The transition from physical media to data storage happened, and the content providers have all but entirely refused to deal with anyone unless they got _more_ money than before |
| 16:57.35 | Adys | cogwheel: take a hint, this (making a point, going on for hours about it only to finally say "we were talking about different things") happens to you on a regular basis, ive seen it happen like three times in this channel only the past few times. |
| 16:57.43 | Adys | and only to you |
| 16:57.48 | cogwheel | k |
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| 16:58.15 | cogwheel | that's probably because most pepole just beat on the same points over and over until everyone gives up |
| 16:58.24 | foxlit | I vote we shift the topic of conversation to Io's awesome object calling notation |
| 16:58.24 | Dagmar | Corporations don't give up. |
| 16:58.27 | cogwheel | whereas i try to come up with new points to try and further the discussion |
| 16:58.33 | Dagmar | They just hand the details over to a patent troll firm and call it a day |
| 16:58.37 | cogwheel | as well as try to look back at where misunderstandings appear |
| 16:58.41 | cogwheel | but who knows |
| 16:58.50 | Kraps_w | foxlit: what happened there? |
| 16:59.17 | Adys | cogwheel: i do that too, you know, except i do it in silence and when i figure out what's wrong i say it nice and clear, i dont disguise it |
| 16:59.21 | Dagmar | I know about what your object calling notation is doing to the soil. |
| 16:59.37 | cogwheel | wtf is being disguised? |
| 16:59.54 | Dagmar | Stuart knows |
| 16:59.57 | cogwheel | i pointed out several times that i wasn't being clear |
| 17:00.02 | foxlit | Kraps_w: it uses no punctuation |
| 17:00.20 | cogwheel | and that i didn't think we were on the same page |
| 17:00.31 | cogwheel | and said where the misunderstanding was |
| 17:00.42 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The shift from physical to digital media isn't the problem here. The problem is the system in which artist's creations are wholly owned by some company that makes money by being the only way to get that art. It's not a monopoly on art, but it is a choke-point on the work of that artist. |
| 17:00.46 | Adys | cogwheel: turns out we werent; im dropping it here before i piss the channel off (more than usual) |
| 17:00.48 | cogwheel | but no matter |
| 17:01.09 | cogwheel | i have a dentist appt |
| 17:01.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: WHen it's the same plan thatthe majority of labels work with, it's indistinguishable from a monopoly |
| 17:01.17 | Lunessa | It would be more interesting if more artists were to quit signing with EMI, Sony, et al and releasing music directly |
| 17:01.22 | foxlit | [s := "string"] c := s at(0) asCharacter |
| 17:01.25 | Fisker | i once heard someone playing loud and obnoxious music in their car |
| 17:01.32 | foxlit | Account balance := 0 |
| 17:01.32 | Fisker | i should pay license fees for that |
| 17:01.35 | Fisker | amirite? |
| 17:01.37 | foxlit | no dots. Anywhere. Bliss! |
| 17:02.07 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That won't work because labels have the money to fight the lawsuits that would be needed to keep them from buying all the open venue times and making insider-exclusive deals |
| 17:02.30 | Adys | Fisker: depends |
| 17:02.32 | Lunessa | I disagree. |
| 17:02.40 | Adys | Fisker: if the music was coming off the radio, the licensing fee was already paid |
| 17:02.44 | Dagmar | Anyone who actually managed to pose a reasonable threat to their business model would wind up being unable to book a gig anywhere |
| 17:02.51 | Fisker | i know Adys |
| 17:03.04 | Adys | Fisker: if it was a CD however, the only limiting factor is the amount of people who heard it next to you |
| 17:03.12 | Adys | but you wouldn't be the one paying the licensing fee, the guy would be |
| 17:03.22 | Dagmar | Around here, for instance, you pretty much CAN'T book a major venue with bags of cash to throw overhand, because Ticketmaster has exclusive agreements with the venues |
| 17:03.22 | Adys | system_broken == true |
| 17:03.43 | Dagmar | You are either "in" the system, or you're going to be renting someplace 40m out of town |
| 17:04.04 | Lunessa | You seem to be arguing in favor of some sort of government enforced change or perhaps armed revolution. I'm arguing for market-driven (consumer purchasing and artist ownership) of art distribution. Currently record labels are just the modern version of Patronage. |
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| 17:04.47 | Dagmar | Patrons didn't generally take the lion's share of the money, and then spend all day looking for new ways to not pay the artist at all |
| 17:05.14 | Dagmar | Currently record labels are the modern version of a protection racket. |
| 17:05.33 | Lunessa | *shrug* Mostly though, I don't really give a shit. |
| 17:05.44 | Dagmar | I care. |
| 17:06.07 | Lunessa | And that's fine. I don't care about it the way you do. And my blood pressure is happier that way. :P |
| 17:06.22 | Dagmar | Mainly because at the rate things are going before I'm able to get off this stinking rock they'll have made it a felony to own any digital media without DRM or other proof of purchase attached to it |
| 17:06.29 | Adys | Lunessa: you're missing a huge point i think |
| 17:06.39 | Lunessa | Adys: No, I'm not. |
| 17:06.42 | Dagmar | I care about not being legislated into a state of criminality |
| 17:07.06 | Dagmar | We're already pretty much *constantly* paying money for piracy we don't commit |
| 17:07.20 | Lunessa | Remember, I'm the guy who doesn't torrent TV because I don't want to be a hypocrite. |
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| 17:08.00 | Dagmar | If you buy an mp3 player (that didn't come from straight out of China) you've just paid a few dollars to the record labels for music you haven't bought |
| 17:08.16 | Adys | Lunessa: art should be free, period. if it's educational in any way, it's a national benefit for it to be free. if it's not, odds are it's some prick trying to get rich off garbage. the few in-betweens don't classify as art but also as entertainment and can be considered non-free |
| 17:08.29 | Dagmar | If you're using a music locker that's not Amazon, you're paying a few cents to the labels every time you listen to an mp3 you actually "bought" |
| 17:08.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: And I have an iTunes account and I get nailed every time I pay $0.99 for a song, etc. I know. |
| 17:08.44 | Adys | Lunessa: and yes, i realize all the broken implications a system like that would have. there are other ways to fix them |
| 17:09.15 | Dagmar | This is what happens if you don't fight the bullshit every step of the way |
| 17:09.46 | Lunessa | Adys: Art should enrich it's creator. I don't think we need more artists living in abject poverty and creating beautiful art that makes someone else rich 100 years later. |
| 17:09.48 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not joking about the criminality aspect of it, either. |
| 17:10.03 | Adys | Lunessa: as i said, i realize the broken implications it has |
| 17:10.09 | Adys | i agree art should enrich its creator |
| 17:10.18 | Dagmar | Remember that it wasn't too many years ago cable lobbyists basically tried to get laws passed in a number of states that make you a _felon_ for daring to run your own firewall |
| 17:10.23 | Lunessa | And by art, I mean all kinds of things, books, poetry, painting, film, sculpture, performance, etc. |
| 17:10.30 | Adys | so do I |
| 17:10.39 | Fisker | damn |
| 17:10.49 | Fisker | a man just came up to me in a van with "Bubblegum" written on it |
| 17:10.56 | Fisker | and wanted me to fly to the US to meet him |
| 17:11.04 | Parnic | liar |
| 17:11.33 | Lunessa | Even software code (disclosure time, I'm an artist in terms of writing; fiction, games, and software) is art. |
| 17:12.08 | Adys | disagree but yes software code should be free |
| 17:12.12 | foxlit | "I don't think we need more artists living in abject poverty and creating beautiful art that makes someone else rich 100 years later." << I'm not sure this is an issue |
| 17:12.25 | foxlit | The kind of art that would make someone else rich 100 years later is not based on copyright. |
| 17:12.41 | alestane | That's the basic principle behind the NEA...that artists should be rewarded for enriching the public. |
| 17:12.42 | Dagmar | Right. It's based on patents |
| 17:12.44 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 17:12.52 | foxlit | The kind of art that people are screaming "PIRATES PIRATES PIRATES" over today won't survive for a hundred years. |
| 17:12.57 | Adys | patents are fucking pointless over time |
| 17:12.58 | Fisker | to everyone at Google IO: http://twitter.com/#!/Decad3nce/status/67995718186577921 |
| 17:13.26 | Adys | i mean |
| 17:13.37 | Adys | seriously, over 100 years, which patents will still be relevant? |
| 17:13.43 | Lunessa | I don't happen to like the system, but I don't get as worked up as Dagmar. (It's kind of fun to wind him up a little) |
| 17:13.49 | foxlit | Patents expire in 25? |
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| 17:14.02 | Fisker | patents simply need to die |
| 17:14.11 | foxlit | *20 |
| 17:14.12 | Lunessa | foxlit: Vincent Van Goh? |
| 17:14.20 | Dagmar | That's why software patents are bullshit |
| 17:14.26 | foxlit | Lunessa: was he living in poverty because his work was pirated? |
| 17:14.42 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Like I said, I am looking to avoid being declared a criminal at some future point |
| 17:14.48 | Lunessa | foxlit: No, but because there was no market for his work and he didn't have a Patron. |
| 17:14.54 | Fisker | software patents are bullshit because they're concepts rather than inventions |
| 17:15.13 | Dagmar | I alreayd gotta spend an unreasonable amount of money ot just have basic VCR recording functionality |
| 17:15.23 | foxlit | So translating this to present day, we have to make sure everyone's work gets a market? |
| 17:15.26 | Adys | can we not get into a pseudo argument on patents? everyone in this channel agrees they're stupid in some way |
| 17:15.32 | Dagmar | We desperately need more vicious regulatory agencies in the US |
| 17:15.38 | foxlit | And I mean, it's not like there was no market -- people were still interested in buying art, just not his art. |
| 17:15.45 | Dagmar | I guess maybe thta'll happen when China finally buys the rest of New Mexico |
| 17:16.08 | foxlit | On the other hand, I can get behind the "art is good for society, let's fund it out of taxes!" communism. |
| 17:16.32 | Adys | see but here's the thing |
| 17:17.05 | Adys | i'm french, and despite my country of origin being broken to bits, it has absolutely wonderful concepts that actually do work in real world situations, especially about education |
| 17:17.19 | Dagmar | foxlit: So can I considering how little money that actually takes |
| 17:17.27 | Dagmar | It's pretty damn good bang-for-buck |
| 17:17.56 | Adys | so when someone comes up to me and tells me it's okay to rent books, they're already three steps behind what i think is right |
| 17:18.21 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, you're a Republican, in which case it's such a vast amount of money that the country can't possibly go forward on anything until that foolishness has been utterly stopped. |
| 17:18.36 | Adys | most artistic work that is primarily driven by money is unlikely to be educational in any way |
| 17:19.05 | Adys | and this was proved by the millions of websites that are just there to make a quick buck; content farms, spam, etc |
| 17:19.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: No, there was no market for his work because there was no easy way to reach beyond his local area. No means of transport, etc. that would make purchase of his works possible except to the very wealthy. |
| 17:20.04 | Lunessa | I'm just saying we have a better market place now, and that patronage isn't the only option any more. |
| 17:20.11 | foxlit | But but! Doctor Who told me nobody liked his work at the time. |
| 17:20.15 | foxlit | And I'm sticking to that story. :) |
| 17:20.17 | Adys | lol |
| 17:20.57 | Lunessa | work... brb |
| 17:20.58 | kd3 | breaking in for a second... wtf: DNF is up for preorder on steam? |
| 17:21.03 | Adys | yep |
| 17:21.23 | Alram | always bet on duke Fisker |
| 17:21.25 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 17:21.33 | Ackis | duke sucks |
| 17:22.42 | Adys | also, since when is it up on preorder? |
| 17:22.46 | Parnic | yesterday |
| 17:22.47 | Adys | because i swear i searched for it yesterday |
| 17:22.49 | Mischanix | What % of passwords do you think these comprise? { qwerty123, 1q2w3e4r } |
| 17:23.19 | Ackis | I've had it on pre-order for a few months already |
| 17:23.20 | Adys | Parnic: aw man. |
| 17:23.22 | Adys | sighs |
| 17:23.29 | Adys | i almost preordered it on amazon |
| 17:23.41 | Adys | but i figured at the time that EVENTUALLY they'd have a downloadable one |
| 17:23.47 | Adys | fuck if im reinstalling a dvd player |
| 17:24.42 | nevcairiel | stuff should ship on usb drives now |
| 17:24.56 | Adys | yeah =/ |
| 17:25.05 | Adys | but dvds are supercheap |
| 17:25.29 | Lunessa | Sorry - it's the end of the semester and work keeps blowing up. |
| 17:25.32 | Fisker | DNF wasn't up until like 19-20 CEST time |
| 17:26.18 | Lunessa | foxlit: That was a good Dr. Who episode. |
| 17:26.19 | Alram | 17 hours ago DNF preorder went up |
| 17:26.21 | Alram | i checked logs |
| 17:26.33 | Adys | fucking hell |
| 17:26.37 | Adys | i should check my logs |
| 17:26.46 | Alram | you have logs? |
| 17:26.51 | Alram | why Adys you dont have a fireplace??? |
| 17:27.05 | Alram | (get it Fisker?) |
| 17:27.14 | Adys | i get it and it's fucking terrible |
| 17:27.19 | Alram | :( |
| 17:27.36 | Alram | oh well I´ll go watch SG:U getting a shitty ending then |
| 17:27.37 | Alram | bye |
| 17:28.13 | Adys | 12:15:43 |
| 17:28.13 | Adys | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duke-Nukem-Forever-PC-DVD/dp/B004JHY434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304939736&sr=8-1[ |
| 17:28.21 | Adys | THATS 16 HOURS 15 MINUTES AGO |
| 17:28.31 | Adys | $@!# |
| 17:28.46 | Dagmar | Don't let the DNF Fanboy Club find out. |
| 17:28.51 | Dagmar | THey'll have you drummed out |
| 17:29.11 | nevcairiel | i dont get it, where does it timestmap that page? |
| 17:29.18 | Adys | history2 |
| 17:29.26 | Adys | chrome addon |
| 17:29.30 | Dagmar | ...although in the interest of full disclosure, I'm surely one to talk. I've been pulling up the goddamn page every night for the last two weeks. |
| 17:29.38 | Dagmar | So... of course I got my order in last night. Heh |
| 17:32.21 | Lunessa | On the brighter side, Pho and Brazilian-style fruit drinks are being delivered for lunch. |
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| 17:37.56 | Telroth | Adys: they do have a downloadable pre-order; it's on steam :x |
| 17:38.07 | Adys | Telroth: i know |
| 17:38.15 | Adys | i ordered it today |
| 17:38.23 | Telroth | ah. |
| 17:38.28 | Adys | thinking "huh, I thought i searched for it" |
| 17:38.53 | Telroth | http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/duke-nukem-forever-pre-order-receipt-slash-000.jpg |
| 17:39.00 | Telroth | ^ this is how you preorder. |
| 17:39.29 | Adys | i remember that |
| 17:39.39 | Adys | which is precisely why i DIDNT preorder a physical one |
| 17:41.45 | Adys | which reminds me |
| 17:42.01 | Adys | this guy paid $10.00 for his copy of dnf |
| 17:42.07 | Adys | I DEMAND JUSTICE |
| 17:42.15 | Parnic | he paid $10 for his pre-order |
| 17:42.21 | Adys | I know |
| 17:42.23 | Parnic | that's how physical copy pre-orders work. you pay the difference later |
| 17:42.43 | Adys | it's a joke |
| 17:42.48 | Adys | you realize i dont demand justice right? |
| 17:42.48 | Ackis | I have the balls of steel version pre-ordered for the 360 |
| 17:42.55 | Parnic | i realize nothing. |
| 17:43.12 | Adys | and by the way, preorders prices don't go up |
| 17:43.16 | Adys | at least not in my countries |
| 17:43.27 | Ackis | Bruce Schneier did a ted talk |
| 17:43.57 | Fisker | btw |
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| 17:44.06 | Fisker | since we're squatting flies with cannons |
| 17:44.10 | sylvanaar_work | who wants to help me make a home page for my new domain |
| 17:44.23 | Fisker | you're actually pre-purchasing the game on steam not preordering |
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| 17:44.33 | Fisker | i made one sylvanaar_work |
| 17:44.38 | Fisker | it was almost 100% html5 |
| 17:44.51 | Fisker | but not entirely since it doesn't like percentages in iframe widths and heights |
| 17:45.07 | Fisker | yeah i said it |
| 17:45.09 | Fisker | iframe |
| 17:45.47 | sylvanaar_work | my new domain: ihateangrybirds.com |
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| 17:46.06 | Fisker | fuck yeah |
| 17:46.15 | Telroth | make a flash game where you launch the pigs at the angry birds |
| 17:46.15 | Parnic | sylvanaar_work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCm6uyzNE8 |
| 17:46.26 | Fisker | ilovesylvanaarworkifitwasntforhisloveofiproducts.com |
| 17:46.31 | Telroth | best way to get back at the birds is throwing bacon at their nests :D |
| 17:47.29 | Kraps_w | i have an ipod Fisker remember? |
| 17:47.39 | Fisker | anyway Ackis |
| 17:47.48 | Fisker | balls of steel edition should've had balls of steeeeeeeeeeel |
| 17:47.50 | Fisker | no Kraps_w |
| 17:47.52 | Fisker | you don't |
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| 17:48.59 | Telroth | I like how everyone hates apple because their popular. |
| 17:49.00 | Kraps_w | did uncle steve touch you in a bad place Fisker :( |
| 17:49.03 | Telroth | *they're |
| 17:49.32 | Parnic | everyone hates apple because apple demands that anything released on their platforms conform to their rules |
| 17:50.08 | Fisker | Apple is the cancer killing Steve Jobs |
| 17:50.11 | Telroth | it has it's ups and downs. |
| 17:50.14 | Fisker | err i mean the free market |
| 17:50.18 | Parnic | *its :P |
| 17:50.28 | Telroth | But you know at the end of the day, the iphone still has the most responsive UI :x |
| 17:50.43 | Parnic | i disagree |
| 17:50.58 | Parnic | my windows phone's UI is pretty darn responsive |
| 17:51.15 | Fisker | oh god no |
| 17:51.17 | Telroth | I can't speak about win7mobile. |
| 17:51.21 | Telroth | I have not tried that. |
| 17:51.23 | Telroth | But also |
| 17:51.26 | Kraps_w | what are you talking about Fisker, android is more popular and growing |
| 17:51.32 | Telroth | while we're on the subject of walled gardens |
| 17:51.41 | Telroth | I would like an operating system that allows me to create sockets. |
| 17:51.53 | Fisker | how fast is the UI on the 3GS with the first iOS4 update? |
| 17:51.56 | Fisker | BAM BAM BAM BAM |
| 17:51.58 | Telroth | (PS not win7mobile last I heard. ) |
| 17:52.01 | Parnic | yeah yeah, telroth. wp7 gets that next update :) |
| 17:52.15 | Parnic | you can still access web resources, just no raw sockets for now |
| 17:52.15 | Telroth | Fisker: faster than android on my friends galaxy S |
| 17:52.19 | Telroth | BAMBAMBAMBAM |
| 17:52.25 | Fisker | i doubt it |
| 17:52.30 | Fisker | and that was my point |
| 17:52.38 | Fisker | the Galaxy S is a FUCKING HORRIBLE device |
| 17:52.40 | foxlit | Telroth: no TCP/IP for you? |
| 17:52.42 | Telroth | ( I've seen it. That was my point. ) |
| 17:52.44 | Kraps_w | how fast is the UI on the 3GS with the first iOS4 update ON THE WHITE IPHONE |
| 17:52.49 | Fisker | Galaxy S is probably the worst android device on the market |
| 17:53.01 | Telroth | foxlit: aye, can't create sockets on win7mobile |
| 17:53.37 | Fisker | the point is that the UI is dependant on the device |
| 17:53.47 | Fisker | just like how 3GS was horrible because it was an half-assed update |
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| 17:53.57 | Telroth | Fisker: I've also seen/used the HTC 4 evo and the tmobile G1. that's 3/3 for slow, laggy UIs. Maybe I get the wrong ones, but that's still a horrible track record. |
| 17:54.08 | Fisker | lol T-Mobile G1 :D |
| 17:54.18 | Telroth | yeah i know, that was just thrown in for numbers. |
| 17:54.21 | Telroth | :P |
| 17:54.49 | Telroth | And if you run the 3GS with the OS that it was built for it, it runs fast. |
| 17:54.56 | Fisker | AOSP-based phones will run the UI very good |
| 17:55.11 | Fisker | the only flaw being the gallery, that's still software i believe |
| 17:55.29 | Fisker | but other than that it's definitely comparable to iPhone |
| 17:55.37 | Telroth | it's not like any of the other phones get updates without twisting the arm of every individual carrier |
| 17:55.45 | Telroth | ASOp? |
| 17:55.53 | Fisker | Android Open Source Project |
| 17:55.59 | Telroth | Ah. |
| 17:56.07 | Telroth | Thought android was already open source? |
| 17:56.20 | Fisker | it is :P |
| 17:56.37 | Kraps_w | pc gamer magazine wants to know what do YOU love about pc gaming? |
| 17:56.39 | Fisker | Basically vendors take the AOSP and customizes it for their own device |
| 17:56.44 | Fisker | usually fucking everything up |
| 17:57.02 | Fisker | so we hack it back to the base AOSP, with a some extra tweaks and features |
| 17:57.28 | Fisker | for example the LG Optimus 2X is horrible with the standard build on it, but absolutely blazing on CM7 which is based on AOSP |
| 17:57.47 | Fisker | only problem is stupid closed-sourced implementations of hardware |
| 17:57.57 | Fisker | especially the Galaxy S was horrible in that regard |
| 17:58.07 | Fisker | anyway |
| 17:58.24 | Fisker | Google just announced that they have an upgrade policy |
| 17:58.28 | Fisker | unfortunately it's opt-in |
| 17:58.44 | Fisker | but basically it means your device will be supported with new versions of Android for atleast 18 months |
| 17:58.48 | Telroth | My only interaction with non-customized android is via emulator SDK. I'm not considering that for speed, though. That was laggy as /hell/, because it's emulated. |
| 17:58.57 | Kraps_w | Fisker: you work for a phone company? |
| 17:59.08 | Fisker | no Kraps_w |
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| 18:00.43 | Fisker | Ice Cream Sandwich will murder you though Kraps_w |
| 18:01.13 | Kraps_w | is that one of the voices in your head? |
| 18:03.54 | Lunessa | oh man... this pho place is sooooooo good. |
| 18:04.02 | Kraps_w | pho? |
| 18:04.15 | Fisker | penis hunt online? |
| 18:04.59 | Kraps_w | photo hacker orgies? |
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| 18:07.05 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BB%9F |
| 18:07.06 | Fisker | oh snap Adys |
| 18:07.10 | Fisker | what a Q&nA |
| 18:07.17 | Adys | havent watched it |
| 18:07.20 | Adys | need to get back to work |
| 18:07.30 | Fisker | almost all of their answers is "I don't know" |
| 18:07.31 | Fisker | :< |
| 18:07.42 | Adys | lol |
| 18:07.51 | Adys | q&a on pre-beta software = fail |
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| 18:08.07 | Fisker | i think they're discussing honeycomb right now |
| 18:08.12 | Adys | people dont realize that whats shown in the presentation is everything worth talking about |
| 18:08.17 | Adys | ah |
| 18:08.30 | Fisker | atleast that's what most of the questions are about :D |
| 18:09.08 | Kraps_w | honeycomb cereal is delicious |
| 18:14.13 | Kraps_w | this persons name is Ha Tran |
| 18:14.31 | Fisker | oh BUUUUUUUUURN |
| 18:14.52 | Cide | buru |
| 18:15.41 | Fisker | i just wanna Cide you |
| 18:16.28 | Cide | I Sighed |
| 18:17.05 | Fisker | why so sad Cide ? |
| 18:17.20 | Cide | because sadness is the emotion of kings |
| 18:17.41 | Fisker | watch a movie Cide |
| 18:17.49 | Cide | I just did |
| 18:17.52 | Cide | it starred myself |
| 18:18.08 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrNhKcxBbZo&feature=player_embedded <-oh god |
| 18:20.16 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:20.17 | Fisker | i hate you |
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| 18:22.49 | Cide | that's no way to speak to a healer |
| 18:24.08 | Fisker | yes it is |
| 18:24.15 | Cide | that's no way to speak to a healer |
| 18:24.39 | Fisker | yes it is |
| 18:26.53 | Cide | I won't heal you |
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| 18:30.26 | Ackis | We're sorry. Music Beta is currently only available in the United States. |
| 18:30.35 | Cide | dang |
| 18:30.42 | Cide | I was hoping to beta test this music thing |
| 18:31.22 | Kraps_w | googles thing? |
| 18:31.24 | Mischanix | What? |
| 18:31.26 | Fisker | yeah Cide |
| 18:31.30 | Fisker | it's a diiiiiiiiiiiick move |
| 18:31.35 | Mischanix | You want google to have your music preferences available at their whims? |
| 18:31.49 | Cide | because music preferences are soo private and dark |
| 18:31.59 | Cide | I would be ten times more concerned about my email |
| 18:32.01 | Cide | oh wait.. |
| 18:32.04 | Mischanix | Oh wait... |
| 18:32.06 | Bluspacecow | no one must known of my dolly parton fetish |
| 18:32.08 | Bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 18:32.08 | Fisker | Oh wait.... |
| 18:32.09 | Bluspacecow | woops |
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| 18:32.33 | Mischanix | It's just funny, the dissention. But then again, all corporations are pure evil, right? |
| 18:33.08 | foxlit | grr |
| 18:33.14 | foxlit | Suppose I have a pie chart |
| 18:33.22 | foxlit | For reasons of scale, I want to blow up a slice in a separate chart |
| 18:33.42 | foxlit | On a scale of 1 to Fisker, how horrible is that? |
| 18:33.53 | Kraps_w | Cide: what if im a member of a metal forum and they found out i like nickelback?! |
| 18:34.00 | Cide | 3/4 Fisker |
| 18:34.07 | Mischanix | Fisker - lamba(x) |
| 18:34.16 | Cide | lamba, huh |
| 18:34.19 | Mischanix | LAMBA. |
| 18:34.24 | foxlit | Jokes aside, I have a slice labelled "Others" that I want to expand into a different pie, and I'm looking for some kind of caption for that "Others" pie |
| 18:34.38 | Mischanix | Call one cherry and the other apple? |
| 18:34.38 | foxlit | I'm currently using "Bottom X%" but that has unfortunate implications |
| 18:35.14 | Cide | just label the chart Others too, and use the traditional way of zooming in |
| 18:35.28 | Cide | lines drawn from each edge |
| 18:35.32 | Mischanix | "Others - Detail" |
| 18:35.58 | Cide | http://www.axis.com/products/cam_212/img/zoom3.jpg |
| 18:36.38 | foxlit | Cide: I'm not convinced the zoom metaphor works -- you're zooming in on a wedge and getting a pie? |
| 18:36.50 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 18:36.56 | Cide | you could just represent the slice as a slice though |
| 18:37.17 | Cide | unless you have a metric ton of others |
| 18:38.19 | foxlit | Let's put it this way: my "Others" pie has an "Others" slice. |
| 18:38.28 | foxlit | Metric tons indeed :( |
| 18:39.07 | Cide | I think anyone smart enough to understand the meaning of a pie chart will understand the zoom metaphor even if you zoom in on a slice and get a pie |
| 18:39.22 | Kraps_w | so its a pie within a pie? |
| 18:39.31 | Cide | if not, refer to the banach-tarski paradox |
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| 18:40.23 | foxlit | It's like, if I wanted to make a pie chart of the US budget spending |
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| 18:40.37 | foxlit | And then show the slices people are actually arguing about. |
| 18:41.12 | Cide | a visualization scheme similar to http://xkcd.com/radiation/ may work then |
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| 18:42.35 | Cide | similar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microcosmologist/5676633160/sizes/o/in/photostream/ |
| 18:47.12 | Fisker | cide please |
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| 18:52.22 | Cide | no. heals. |
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| 19:01.11 | Fisker | kiss me Cide |
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| 19:11.08 | Kraps_w | boobies! |
| 19:11.22 | Caleb| | where? |
| 19:12.06 | Kraps_w | all over! |
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| 19:21.45 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/Co6G0LylfrY/go-programming-language-is-coming-to.html |
| 19:21.46 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 19:26.18 | sylvanaar_work | i wonder if Go has an IDE |
| 19:26.21 | sylvanaar_work | googles |
| 19:28.31 | Kraps_w | "when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty!" the fuck does this mean? |
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| 19:33.19 | foxlit | I present to you the following horror: SELECT residence, COUNT(*) FROM advance WHERE name IN (SELECT name FROM advance WHERE name in (SELECT DISTINCT name FROM submissions WHERE lang={1} ORDER BY lastRound DESC, lastRank ASC LIMIT {2}) GROUP BY residence |
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| 19:36.14 | mitchnull | ok. what happened to the savedvariables handling? |
| 19:36.43 | foxlit | Nothing. |
| 19:36.44 | mitchnull | all my addons lost their config and I'm full of errors :( |
| 19:37.04 | foxlit | Write More Good. |
| 19:37.05 | mitchnull | seems like wow is looking for AddonName-@project-version@.lua |
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| 19:37.27 | mitchnull | when trying to load savedvariables |
| 19:37.53 | mitchnull | I get loads of "unexpected symbol"s |
| 19:38.39 | AcidWeb | Check lua files in WTF |
| 19:38.45 | AcidWeb | Maybe they are corrupted |
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| 19:39.16 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/5363936959 |
| 19:39.37 | Fisker | i just ated food mitchnull |
| 19:39.42 | mitchnull | indeed they are... damn |
| 19:42.24 | AcidWeb | That is reason why use SVN to backup WTF folder ;) |
| 19:43.17 | mitchnull | I hope the .bak files are semi-recent... |
| 19:43.45 | AcidWeb | check last modyfication date of them |
| 19:43.57 | AcidWeb | *modification |
| 19:44.33 | Ackis | http://cheezdailysquee.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/5610d86d-7256-41ef-8935-030e8461a278.jpg |
| 19:46.02 | Arrowmaster | bah XBL system update |
| 19:46.06 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:46.59 | mitchnull | damn damn damn... |
| 19:47.11 | mitchnull | most of my important config is toast :( |
| 19:48.45 | Lunessa | Ackis: Two headed Kitteh has two moods. |
| 19:49.07 | Ackis | kitty is cute |
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| 19:51.12 | Arrowmaster | grr this system update is taking forever |
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| 19:52.37 | Fisker | i once system updated you |
| 19:54.24 | mikma | i once saw a troll in this channel |
| 19:55.54 | AcidWeb | mitchnull: There are two type of people: One that making backups already and second group that WILL start making backups very soon ;p |
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| 20:01.07 | Bluspacecow | @mitch why you put toast in your computer ? |
| 20:01.48 | mikma | @twitter bluspacecow |
| 20:07.06 | Fisker | that sucks mikma |
| 20:07.13 | Fisker | was it cog|away ? |
| 20:07.36 | Ackis | starts drama. |
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| 20:11.39 | Ackis | starts drama with Fisker. |
| 20:12.02 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:12.32 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 20:13.36 | Fisker | nyan |
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| 20:19.05 | Ackis | fuck me, today is the day of ex's |
| 20:21.02 | mikma | ex. fucktor |
| 20:21.08 | mikma | i mean, x-factor |
| 20:21.15 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:21.20 | Fisker | i want my damn google music |
| 20:21.26 | mikma | fisker |
| 20:21.30 | mikma | we don't give a shit |
| 20:21.38 | Ackis | I care Fisker |
| 20:21.43 | Fisker | see mikma |
| 20:21.44 | Fisker | wrong again |
| 20:21.53 | Fisker | nyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyannyan |
| 20:22.02 | mikma | lol ackis is trolling fisker |
| 20:22.05 | mikma | this is hilarious |
| 20:22.28 | Fisker | my tummy is a cookie or whatever it is |
| 20:23.33 | Kraps | i just got home |
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| 20:25.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.01 | Kraps | you guys realize that an objective observer of this channel could be forgiven for suspecting retardism? |
| 20:25.13 | Ackis | Kraps: there is no suspecting |
| 20:25.23 | Ackis | I still hurt btw if anyone cares |
| 20:25.27 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:25.32 | Fisker | sure Kraps |
| 20:25.45 | Fisker | You should've seen all the various inappropiate things i've said in the past |
| 20:25.52 | Fisker | if that can be forgiven, i'm sure that can as well |
| 20:26.01 | Kraps | i see |
| 20:26.13 | Kraps | carry on then |
| 20:28.06 | Ackis | no don't carry on |
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| 20:30.33 | Jamash | Fisker: http://youtu.be/Hv6RbEOlqRo |
| 20:31.05 | Fisker | old old |
| 20:31.20 | Jamash | Fisker: http://youtu.be/6zHZj8Xp-Ik |
| 20:31.31 | Fisker | old |
| 20:31.57 | Kraps | why Jamash |
| 20:32.41 | Jamash | Fisker: http://youtu.be/dDmAxdLvdQ4 |
| 20:33.54 | Fisker | old |
| 20:34.27 | Jamash | everything old is new again, Fisker |
| 20:34.27 | Trela | Must not... watch... MLP... |
| 20:34.55 | Fisker | no Jamash |
| 20:36.00 | Jamash | because time is a circle |
| 20:36.14 | jnwhiteh | Adys: are,saw that |
| 20:36.31 | Fisker | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/Co6G0LylfrY/go-programming-language-is-coming-to.html |
| 20:37.20 | jnwhiteh | yes.. |
| 20:38.29 | Fisker | yus |
| 20:38.48 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: you use Go right? |
| 20:39.20 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 20:39.22 | Fisker | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/Co6G0LylfrY/go-programming-language-is-coming-to.html |
| 20:39.34 | Arrowmaster | yes i saw |
| 20:39.59 | Kraps | ~seen Ackis |
| 20:40.07 | purl | ackis is currently on #waruidev (5d 4h 6m 43s) #wowhead (5d 4h 6m 43s) #norganna (5d 4h 6m 43s) #wowuidev (5d 4h 6m 43s) #arl (5d 4h 6m 43s) #wowace (5d 4h 6m 43s) #curseforge (5d 4h 6m 43s). Has said a total of 432 messages. Is idling for 12m 1s, last said: 'no don't carry on'. |
| 20:40.11 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 20:40.19 | Ackis | hi |
| 20:40.25 | Ackis | what do you need? |
| 20:41.03 | Fisker | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/Co6G0LylfrY/go-programming-language-is-coming-to.html |
| 20:41.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk *!na@*] by EDI |
| 20:41.12 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:41.14 | Jamash | oh noes |
| 20:41.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you win |
| 20:41.33 | Ackis | did Fisker just get owned? |
| 20:41.39 | Jamash | fisker just owned himself |
| 20:41.56 | Ackis | I see it as: ++ EDI has given owner to *!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk |
| 20:42.02 | Ackis | so I never really know what's going on |
| 20:42.10 | Arrowmaster | what shitty client are you using |
| 20:42.16 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should update/fix/change your irc client |
| 20:42.38 | Ackis | it's a secret |
| 20:42.42 | Jamash | to everyone |
| 20:42.46 | Gnarfoz | +q is channel owner in anope services, but it doesn't take hostmasks |
| 20:42.50 | Gnarfoz | so it's wrong in any case |
| 20:43.29 | Jamash | it's like beetlejuice |
| 20:43.41 | Jamash | except if you say his name three times you get muted |
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| 20:43.50 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: yes, I write Go code 5-days a week |
| 20:43.53 | Fisker- | butts |
| 20:43.59 | Jamash | so, really, not all that much like beetlejuice |
| 20:44.06 | Jamash | more like pulp fiction |
| 20:44.22 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: its influenced a lot by C right? so would it be best to know C before trying to learn Go? |
| 20:45.25 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 20:45.28 | jnwhiteh | just start using it |
| 20:45.40 | jnwhiteh | C will probably confuse you more |
| 20:46.17 | Gnarfoz | (that probably goes for most languages, you'll just pick up bad/wrong habits) |
| 20:46.41 | Jamash | get a copy of The Little Schemer |
| 20:46.58 | jnwhiteh | How would The Little Schemer help with Go =) |
| 20:47.05 | Jamash | it helps with anything |
| 20:47.14 | jnwhiteh | SICP is better |
| 20:47.16 | Jamash | then get a book about APL |
| 20:47.29 | Jamash | then get a book about Forth |
| 20:47.49 | jnwhiteh | SICP is one of the computing bibles |
| 20:47.51 | Fisker- | btw jnwhiteh |
| 20:47.51 | Jamash | once you have read and comprehended those books, you will know everything you will ever need to know about any programming language |
| 20:47.56 | Fisker- | usb host support is awesome |
| 20:48.09 | Fisker- | now we just need some usb adapters and powered hubs |
| 20:48.22 | Jamash | we're going to need hubs |
| 20:48.25 | Jamash | lots of hubs |
| 20:49.23 | Fisker- | hubs are awesome for chatty broken network devices |
| 20:52.09 | Ackis | cog|away: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=58565586308 <-- group is going to be archived |
| 20:53.35 | Jamash | so I was playing magicka |
| 20:53.45 | Jamash | and all of a sudden TRISTRAM TOWN MUSIC |
| 20:53.52 | Fisker- | omg |
| 20:53.54 | Fisker- | piracy |
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| 20:56.08 | Lunessa | So, all the gaming stories are going be "So I was playing Magicka" just like all the drinking stories go "And then we started drinking tequila" |
| 20:57.09 | Jamash | Ackis: Is there a group like that for starcraft II maps? |
| 20:57.51 | Jamash | because I really don't care about whether wow addons can be sold for money, but I do care about the fact that blizzard asserts copyright over every map made with the starcraft II editor |
| 20:58.16 | Ackis | don't know, #sc2mapster would be the place to ask |
| 20:58.43 | Fisker- | hey Jamash |
| 20:58.45 | Fisker- | brainfreeze |
| 20:59.00 | Jamash | wut |
| 20:59.17 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/Brain_Freeze ? |
| 20:59.49 | Fisker- | no |
| 21:00.05 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_freeze |
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| 21:01.15 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: i cont remember any tequila at blizzcon |
| 21:01.20 | Fisker- | cont? |
| 21:01.25 | Jamash | must have been good tequila then |
| 21:01.30 | kd3 | mmm... tequila |
| 21:01.44 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: You don't remember much of the curse party... |
| 21:01.53 | Arrowmaster | i remember all of the curse party |
| 21:01.59 | Ackis | hey Fisker- isn't ban evasion a bannable offense? |
| 21:02.08 | Lunessa | Do you remember giving hugs to random men? |
| 21:02.22 | Ackis | wonders if there will be a Curse party this year. |
| 21:02.29 | Arrowmaster | i only hugged ckknight |
| 21:02.41 | kd3 | considering they said "oh, there's no way they're going to hit our budget" and then they had to cut us off... |
| 21:02.59 | Fisker- | i'm not ban evading Ackis |
| 21:03.05 | Fisker- | btw kd3 looking forward to D3 beta? |
| 21:03.11 | kd3 | yup |
| 21:03.45 | Gnarfoz | looking pretty far forward, then |
| 21:04.12 | Fisker- | hey Gnarfoz |
| 21:05.00 | Lunessa | Haha. I laughed when Kaelten said they'ed never spend that much at the bar. |
| 21:05.51 | Bluspacecow | imma rename Kaelten backpack man |
| 21:07.49 | Fisker- | hey Bluspacecow |
| 21:07.50 | Fisker- | http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1305061078402.jpg |
| 21:08.00 | Bluspacecow | 'sup |
| 21:08.48 | Fisker- | oh btw |
| 21:08.51 | Fisker- | nsfw |
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| 21:29.42 | kd3 | ah, the joys of living in the country. panicked phone call: 'kd3, get over here, the horses are loose!' (my parents have three Tennessee Walking Horses) |
| 21:30.02 | Fisker- | hello kd3 |
| 21:30.03 | kd3 | found one of them a mile away from the barn, the other two were closer |
| 21:30.05 | Fisker- | my horse is loose |
| 21:30.20 | Bluspacecow | psst its a traaaaaaaaap! |
| 21:34.22 | nebula169 | your parents call you kd3? |
| 21:34.32 | cremetorte | that was on my mind too nebula169 |
| 21:34.51 | kd3 | one of the neighbors actually. parents were tracking them down and got one of the neighbors to get a hold of me |
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| 21:37.41 | Gragagrogog | how do i define path to a custom texture from lua file? neither "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\World of Warcraft\\Interface\\AddOns\\Addon1\\Folder1\\Spell_Holy_CrusaderStrike.blp" "Interface\\AddOns\\RetClick\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_CrusaderStrike.blp" works for me |
| 21:38.36 | Seerah | The second one is correct. But WoW needs a full restart to recognize new files. |
| 21:38.59 | Gragagrogog | ok, ill try that |
| 21:41.21 | Gragagrogog | it works, thanks |
| 22:05.26 | Fisker- | kd3 looking forward to ice cream sandwich? |
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| 22:05.48 | DWSR | What's the addon that shows you what keyboard buttons have stuff bound to them? |
| 22:05.49 | kd3 | yes, if they actually pull through on the open source line |
| 22:06.16 | Xyphoid | bindingsreminder |
| 22:06.25 | Fisker- | EFF should take them all to court on principle |
| 22:06.28 | Fisker- | especially HTC |
| 22:06.56 | Lunessa | Installing CS5.5 is a massive undertaking. |
| 22:07.50 | Fisker- | hehe massive |
| 22:11.52 | alestane | It took a while, but it was mostly waiting for me. |
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| 22:17.48 | DWSR | What's the addon that shows you what keyboard buttons have stuff bound to them? |
| 22:21.45 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah lots of waiting where I don't want that machine doing other things. |
| 22:21.57 | Lunessa | DWSR: BindingsReminder. |
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| 22:22.38 | DWSR | thanks |
| 22:25.50 | Fisker- | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:26.18 | Lunessa | installs Windows Mobile 6.0 on all of Fisker-'s devices. |
| 22:26.59 | Fisker- | it's ok |
| 22:27.02 | Fisker- | WM runs Android |
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| 22:27.44 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: You hitting Blizzcon this year? |
| 22:28.43 | Fisker- | http://i.imgur.com/fFOpx.jpg |
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| 22:35.29 | Cide | I heard you like android |
| 22:36.48 | Fisker- | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:36.59 | Fisker- | what else is there to like Cide ? |
| 22:37.37 | Cide | your mo.. nvm |
| 22:38.42 | Fisker- | i once killed a guy Cide |
| 22:38.46 | DWSR | Anyone know of an addon similar to MarkingBar? |
| 22:38.58 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/markingbar.aspx |
| 22:39.06 | DWSR | I'm looking specifically for a way to use the flares. |
| 22:39.14 | DWSR | Since SUF doesn't have a way to display them |
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| 22:44.17 | DWSR | anyone? |
| 22:46.52 | Wicet | DWSR, TargetCharms? |
| 22:47.48 | Own3d | DWSR, why can't you use markingbar? |
| 22:50.15 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: im not sure, i really want to though so i think ill try to get a ticket when they go on sale |
| 22:50.25 | DWSR | Own3d: Taint issues. |
| 22:50.44 | DWSR | I'm not sure why, either, since the taint log is listing completely unrelated addons. |
| 22:52.43 | DWSR | Wait, is the taint issue from random addons a Blizzard known bug? |
| 22:52.59 | Arrowmaster | the dropdown taint issue? |
| 22:53.10 | Arrowmaster | yes its been known for years |
| 22:53.31 | DWSR | It's from dropdowns? |
| 22:53.32 | DWSR | Homo. |
| 22:53.57 | DWSR | Can I place raid markers with macros? |
| 22:54.18 | Cide | homo how? |
| 22:54.49 | DWSR | Cide: That it's a known bug that taints addons seemingly at random |
| 22:54.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:55.05 | Fisker- | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:55.26 | Arrowmaster | its a known issue that dropdown menus will get tainted by addons |
| 22:56.05 | Arrowmaster | and the raid markers can only be placed by using a dropdown, so when the dropdown gets tainted they cant be used anymore |
| 22:56.06 | Cide | and that is homo[sexual] how? |
| 22:56.46 | Arrowmaster | you will get the exact same issue using the default unitframes and using the dropdown menu from them to set raid markers |
| 22:56.55 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:57.00 | DWSR | That's so rediculous. |
| 22:57.07 | Cide | ridiculous indeed |
| 22:57.15 | Cide | now to answer my question |
| 22:57.32 | DWSR | Cide: It's a figure of speech. I'm sorry if it offended you. |
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| 22:58.24 | Cide | you should be. |
| 22:58.26 | durcyn | i believe he took offense to your spelling more than anything else. |
| 22:58.48 | Cide | huh? |
| 22:58.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:59.00 | Cide | that was just me mocking him |
| 22:59.01 | durcyn | 17:57:01 < DWSR> That's so rediculous. |
| 22:59.15 | durcyn | anyone who spells ridiculous with an e should be mocked, was my point |
| 22:59.32 | DWSR | durcyn: Yeah. I just spell it that way because of an in-joke between a few of my friends. |
| 22:59.40 | Cide | I "took offense" (no) to the idea that a bug is homosexual |
| 22:59.45 | Cide | a software bug, I should add |
| 23:00.17 | DWSR | Cide: Homosexuality is totally natural. |
| 23:01.04 | Cide | and it's a sexual preference, not a description of inanimate objects or software issues |
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| 23:01.42 | Lunessa | Dude, software is asexual (for now). |
| 23:01.51 | Cide | using it that way only fosters its negative connotation |
| 23:01.52 | DWSR | For now. |
| 23:02.13 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: slash commands are incoming, I believe |
| 23:02.15 | jnwhiteh | for raid markers |
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| 23:02.21 | DWSR | That would be nice. |
| 23:02.27 | DWSR | I can't do a role check by slash command either, can I? |
| 23:02.28 | Lunessa | When someone writes code that makes me want to fuck it, then we'll have to decide it's preference/orientation/gender id. |
| 23:02.31 | Cide | (among people like you, I suppose) |
| 23:02.38 | jnwhiteh | I'm fairly sure you can |
| 23:02.45 | DWSR | /rolecheck doesn't work |
| 23:02.56 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say it was a short slash command |
| 23:03.00 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.06 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 23:03.12 | jnwhiteh | flags would be difference |
| 23:03.12 | DWSR | I assume RoleCheck()? |
| 23:03.14 | jnwhiteh | different |
| 23:03.18 | jnwhiteh | !api RoleCheck |
| 23:03.18 | lua_bot | CompleteLFGRoleCheck: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CompleteLFGRoleCheck) |
| 23:03.29 | jnwhiteh | since they're basically a 'spell', since other players see them |
| 23:03.30 | jnwhiteh | and in wow |
| 23:03.32 | jnwhiteh | everything is a fucking spell |
| 23:04.11 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: /run CompleteLFGRoleCheck() doesn't do anything? |
| 23:04.18 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say it was that function |
| 23:04.22 | jnwhiteh | look at the framexml, see what it calls |
| 23:04.24 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:04.28 | DWSR | H |
| 23:04.29 | DWSR | ah* |
| 23:04.33 | jnwhiteh | LFGRoleCheck is when you're queuing your party for random LFD |
| 23:04.39 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 23:04.42 | jnwhiteh | its not a role check |
| 23:04.44 | jnwhiteh | !api Ready |
| 23:04.45 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'Ready': READY_CHECK_FINISHED, READY_CHECK_CONFIRM, READY_CHECK, ITEM_TEXT_READY, INSPECT_READY, ConfirmReadyCheck, ARTIFACT_HISTORY_READY, PLAYER_AVG_ITEM_LEVEL_READY, DoReadyCheck, GetReadyCheckTimeLeft, GetReadyCheckStatus, INSPECT_ACHIEVEMENT_READY |
| 23:04.51 | jnwhiteh | DoReadyCheck() |
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| 23:05.13 | DWSR | I want a role check. :-P Not a ready check. |
| 23:05.26 | jnwhiteh | oh, well screw you |
| 23:05.28 | jnwhiteh | fix it yourself =) |
| 23:05.32 | jnwhiteh | look at the code |
| 23:05.32 | Cide | role checks are useless imo |
| 23:05.37 | DWSR | Cide: Not really. |
| 23:05.41 | Cide | just queue for a dungeon and you get one |
| 23:05.49 | DWSR | Cide: Doing it for a raid. |
| 23:06.03 | jnwhiteh | night all |
| 23:06.06 | Cide | I would hope your organization is better than that |
| 23:06.07 | DWSR | So that I know which spec our healers are in, since some of them have OS DPS sets. |
| 23:06.14 | DWSR | Cide: Meh, in game visual reminder. |
| 23:06.37 | Cide | just have them right-click themselves and set role |
| 23:06.46 | Cide | instead of letting everyone get an annoying popup |
| 23:06.54 | DWSR | But I live for annoying popups. |
| 23:11.50 | Shefki | Computerpunk: Replied to you. Sorry thought you were someone else. FYI best way to get my attention is wowace/wowi. Curse's PMs don't send me mail so I only see them once in a blue moon. |
| 23:13.48 | karl_w_w | Cide: if you don't want to see the popup, write an addon to supress them and auto-respond :P |
| 23:14.56 | karl_w_w | DWSR_ InitiateRolePoll() |
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| 23:17.31 | karl_w_w | not sure what got through before I de-seed, so I'll just repeat myself. Cide: if you don't want to see the popup, write an addon to supress them and auto-respond :P. DWSR_: InitiateRolePoll() |
| 23:18.43 | TC-Away | karl_w_w: SuppressCide() |
| 23:23.11 | Cide | why would I |
| 23:23.17 | Cide | I don't want to use the thing |
| 23:26.51 | karl_w_w | somebody else might use it, which is the point :P |
| 23:49.18 | Fisker- | sneaks a fart |
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